June 10, 2025 • 52 mins
The technological revolution we've all been anticipating is quietly taking shape at the intersection of artificial intelligence and blockchain. Autonomous AI agents – not just responsive chatbots, but truly independent digital entities – are beginning to populate the Web3 landscape, making decisions, deploying smart contracts, and even managing assets without human intervention.
This Tech Talk episode explores the profound implications of agentic AI and why these autonomous systems will inevitably require Web3 domains as their digital identity. Unlike traditional AI that simply responds to prompts, agentic AI sets its own goals, learns from feedback, and coordinates with other agents. As these systems become increasingly sophisticated, they'll need more than just wallet addresses – they'll need names that humans can recognize, trust, and remember.
The convergence creates fascinating possibilities: legal agents drafting contracts under verifiable identities, AI journalists publishing with transparent attribution, creative bots minting collections with established reputations, and autonomous DAO treasury managers operating with full accountability. All of these use cases depend on the critical identity infrastructure that Web3 domains provide.
We're joined by a special guest who recently acquired AgenticAI.com, who shares valuable insights into this emerging market. The search data reveals striking growth patterns, with approximately 700-800K monthly searches for "agentic AI" worldwide and an estimated 40% annual growth rate. Yet most people – even those technically inclined – have never interacted with truly agentic AI systems. This technological asymmetry creates unprecedented opportunities for those positioning themselves at the forefront of this revolution.
Whether you're a developer looking to build the next generation of autonomous systems or an investor seeking emerging opportunities, this episode provides crucial context for understanding ho
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pin a couple more things at thetop.
And yeah, give me just a moment, all right, all right, all
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Well, yeah, welcome to anotherone of our Tech Talk podcasts.
This is a live discussion that Irecord here weekly and, you
know, sometimes lately bi-weeklyhere on X, where we highlight
news, innovations, education,alpha and business development
in the Web3 domain, technologyand digital identity space.
I am your host, as always,marcus aka Winn Airdrop, the
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I hope I'm not going to betongue-tied today.
I feel it already coming on.
I'm going to hop into somerecent industry news.
Opening news is typical.
Then I'm going to jump into themain discussion, because it is
kind of a fiery one.
So first thing that I did wantto announce is our website for
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our learning program, for ournew module that we're building,
our educational module forNormies for the masses to learn
Web 3 and digital identity.
The sign-up page, or the whatdo you call it?
The like, the landing page forit, is now live at learnweb3.xyz
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.
That is going to be the mainURL for our new Web3 and digital
identity curriculum.
If you're not already familiarwith the Web3 or digital
identity curriculum, this is acurriculum that we have created
with our expertise that coverseverything from you know,
obviously, digital identity,minting names in Web3, what
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they'll be used for, but alsothe basics of blockchain, nfts,
cryptocurrencies, daos andeverything that you'll need to
be proficient in the Web3 orblockchain space.
As a lot of us are coming toknow, a lot of new careers are
being formed either directly inthe Web3 space or that requires
some sort of proficiency inblockchain.
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Yeah, there aren't manyprograms out there to formally
learn this, so our certificationprogram is one that we hope you
know helps serve that purposein the space.
So again, learnweb3.xyz, ifyou're currently interested in,
you know, kind of presigning upand getting in notifications
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about when we're about to golive.
Yeah, feel free to sign up.
You'll see a spot there for youto put your name and your email
address Also.
Lastly, as always, registrationon our own Web3 TLDs, which
would be dgen, exchain anddefiwallet, are now available
for registration.
These TLDs are owned on theFreeDane platform.
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You will own any SLD that youpurchase on these TLDs forever.
That means no renewals.
It is a true asset that willlive in your wallet as an NFT
and you can use them to connectyour wallet as well as digital
identity in Web3.
You can easily register any oneof these domains, on any one of
these TLDs, directly on ourwebsite at iheartdomainscom.
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Right there on the fronthomepage, you will see the
option to search for a exchangeor a deFi wallet domain name.
Again, kind of getting gotta geta little tongue tied, but yeah,
without further ado, I'm goingto hop into the main discussion.
So today we're about to explorea concept so paradigm shifting
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that, once it clicks, you'llnever look at AI or blockchain
the same way again.
As you can see at the top, thetitle of this tech talk is
Agentech AI and Web3 Domains,and we're going to talk about
how the future is autonomous andhow the future also is going to
need a name.
So, first, what is Agentech AI?
And I feel the need to breakthis down because, again, ai
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isn't something that's new to us, it's not new to anybody, but
the concept of AI becoming kindof its own entity in the way
that AI is evolving, I think maybe something a lot of people
haven't clicked on to.
So, what is a genetic AI?
What is the big deal behindthese two words?
Well, let's start simple.
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Again, we all know what AI is.
Most of us have some interactionwith chatbots, maybe even
assistants, image generators,right here on Grok.
But agentic AI is the nextlevel.
Agentic AI is AI that actsautonomously.
That means it can set goals, itcan execute tasks, it can learn
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from feedback, it can evencoordinate with other AI agents
and soon, and even now, it cancreate entire products and
systems, really without anyhuman intervention.
This isn't Siri reading you theweather.
This is an AI that says Inoticed your schedule's
overwhelming, so I just rebookedall your meetings, ordered your
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groceries, emailed yourlandlord and deployed a smart
contract to automate your rent.
It's AI with initiative.
So, as you can see, we'retalking about building something
that's a completely differentanimal again than just
interacting with a chatbot orwith a custom GPT, and so this
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takes us to the next step of whyAI, or agentic AI, definitely
needs an identity.
If we're talking about a worldwhere, eventually, ai agents are
potentially making decisions orsigning contracts and even
owning assets on the blockchainor deploying assets on the
blockchain, how do we know whothey are right, how do we know
how to trust them and how are weable to track what they've
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created?
I don't know how many or whatpercentage of AI agents that are
created or what kind ofprograms will eventually be
deployed to, like normaleveryday people who just need
something to update theirschedule, but the way AI agents
are being deployed now, and theway I anticipate will continue
to happen, is they're beingdeployed on the blockchain right
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as blockchain-ownable assetsand, as such, they'll be
assigned the blockchainidentification that we've all
been assigned right, which isour wallet address, and that is
the start of their identity.
And that is the start of theiridentity.
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So, just like humans use emails, social handles and passports,
ai agents are eventually goingto need a verified identity.
Researchagentx, right?
These aren't human names.
These will eventually becomeon-chain identity for agents
Again, that tongue-twisting andwith these, eventually you're
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going to know what agent wrote awhite paper, right?
You're going to know or be ableto tip or pay an agent via
their crypto wallet.
You'll be able to view an AIagent's public work history on
chain and also, of course,verify the origin of any AI
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generated content, simply bybeing able to map to its
identity and just to kind ofhelp it make sense as far as
some real use cases, I mean likeeasily applicable things as
people start coming to a space.
Think about a legal agent, right, I actually own on chain
lawyers, on chain attorneys, onchain attorney the plural and
the singularcom, zero x lawyerand attorneycom Both the pro and
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the singular is own, actually alot of legal crypto-related
domains, all hand registers, ofcourse, so maybe they're on the
grails to me, but they makeperfect legal agent names.
So imagine a legal agent likewhat is one I just deployed.
I think I did deploy OnChainAttorney and I've attached an
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actual chat bot to it.
So if you type inOnChainAttorneycom and it takes
you to a custom GPT this iswhere I'm going with that.
Imagine an OnChain lawyer thatuses something like that.
You interact with it with yourwallet.
It can even draft contracts,sign smart contracts, create
entire legal records, sign smartcontracts, create entire legal
records and it will be public,verifiable and, of course,
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auditable because it is using aname that is easy to remember
and easy to trace.
Same thing with, likejournalism creating a news site,
like I've had namernewscom, orfor using a web3 domain unless I
bring that one on chainsomething like autonews.
It could be a GPT-basedjournalist that's trained on
local city news and every timeit publishes an article it's
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going to have a timestamp and besigned on chain and you're
going to know exactly which AIagent wrote it and, of course,
it's going to have its trustfactor and be its own author
right.
Same thing with creative agents.
Creative agents are going tocreate generative work on chain.
Those collections are going tobe minted by those agents and
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collectors are going to knowexactly who that artist is
because that agent is going tohave a name, and then even going
further with shoppingassistance, et cetera.
You know all the differentinteractions.
They may be able to earnaffiliate commissions, they may
be able to generate revenue, etcetera, et cetera.
All of these things traceableon-chain.
Again, a wallet address is justnumbers and that's what
everything coming into the spaceis.
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This is the only asset that youhave beginning with and
unfortunately it's unreadableand it's untrustworthy at face
value.
But a Web3 domain like eth ordgen, which I have Leo, sol, nft
, defi, crypto, anything rightYou're able to build an actual
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reputation behind that namespace, you're able to build
recognition in that namespaceand when you build those things
now you're building a verifiableidentity for that namespace and
for whatever you've built in it.
Again, this is DNS for AIagents and that comes with
credentials, audits and, again,being able to sign the digital
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signatures that have an actualname that are traceable back to
who is creating it.
It's becomes essentially thepassport for AI.
Yeah, I mean thinking into thefuture.
Imagine a few years from now youopen up a DAO dashboard and the
treasury bot that's beendeployed within it.
And this is crazy too, becausewe're actually and we're going
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to see how this works out.
A DAO that I belong to calledBaseDAO.
Literally, on Sunday, we arelaunching an agentic AI to run
the DAO.
It is crazy.
So we have our own DAO, whichhas its own voting mechanisms
based on the people who ownmembership tokens within it, but
we also bought a whole noun, socollectively, we also vote in
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traditional noun auctions.
And this AI agent, this bot, isgoing to do all these things
for us and help optimize theseactivities, and this is super
cool.
But again, going back to what Iwas saying, imagine you open a
DAO dashboard and you've got atreasury bot that's rebalanced
the portfolio.
You've got a content agentthat's already been posting new
content and different drops.
You've got a customer serviceagent that's already been
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posting new content anddifferent drops.
You've got a customer serviceagent that's working behind the
scenes, handling every inquiry,and all of them are tied to a
single on-chain Web3 identitythat you can verify because
you've created your ownnamespace.
Again, we're entering an era ofagentic economies where AI
agents will build businesses,they'll create projects,
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on-chain, they'll be able toexecute proposals, and these
things can, I mean, to someextent, already happen.
Maybe not plug and play, butthere's some pretty.
There's some pretty equippedagents out there already and
even plug and play.
They're pretty powerful.
And then, most importantly,they'll be able to pay one
another and then, mostimportantly, they'll be able to
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pay one another, probably incrypto.
Again, seeing how this plays out, how this continues to evolve,
I do anticipate that most agentswill be deployed on chain.
It has been long theorized bypeople a lot smarter than me
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that the currency or theeconomic ecosystem for AI agents
will be crypto Right.
This is what they will pay eachother in, this is what they
will interact with and again,anything that is going to be
telling a crypto is going to getthat same wallet address.
Anything that gets that walletaddress is going to have a need
for a name, and that justifiesdefinitely the need for our
space.
And again, think of a futurewhere, eventually, you know
these agents are going to haveDAOs as employers, domains as
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IDs, wallets as banks andon-chain resume and you'll be
able to hire, fire andcollaborate and audit them using
different Web3 tools.
Now, I know for a lot of peoplehearing this, you know the
obvious thing that you thinkabout is the risk.
As bullish as I am on a geneticAI, I run across most people
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who want to run far, far awayfrom it or are afraid to deploy.
You know kind of this.
I want to say it's untested,but when it's your first time,
you know kind of trying to wrapyour head around the concept of
letting something loose that canmake decisions on its own on
behalf of you.
You know that's a scary thingand, I'll be honest, there are
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risks, right, you know,depending on what you deploy out
there, it could potentially,you know, not align 100%
initially with what you built itto do.
But that's where you candefinitely modify and, you know,
kind of fine tune it to yourliking.
But then, even moving further,you know, once AI starts to
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flood the space, once it becomesa norm, you know, hopefully we
don't start seeing things likedeep fakes from AI, especially,
you know, using falsified orfake identities from AI,
especially using falsified orfake identities, bots posting as
real people.
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I know that you can actuallydeploy actual bots to Twitter
spaces that can then join as aspeaker and speak.
I heard a real bad example ofone on our own three-name spaces
.
What was it?
A week before last?
But it's crazy because Iactually saw that option pop up
in the back office of one of thetools or whatever I forget what
you call them sandboxes thatyou can use to create these
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agentic AIs.
In the back of my sandbox, itactually has an option to set
something like that up and evento clone my own voice so that it
will sound like me, and this issomething that you know.
If I'm using it at this leveland again, I will certainly
admit, although I am extremelytechnical, curious, I click
really fast and I'll definitelyjump in a rabbit hole or two
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there are far more smarterpeople than me out there.
There are people who are fullscale, you know developers and
understand AI tech to a degreethat the normal person wouldn't,
and those people you know havethe potential to use this in a
very bad way.
And this, all of this bad right, all of this risk it just
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reinforces the need for on chaintransparency and literally the
easiest way to create on-chaintransparency.
It's almost like we saw itcoming, but on-chain namespaces,
on-chain domains.
It solves that problem.
It does that to a T Again.
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It's agentic AI, web throughdomains.
It's a match made in heaven.
There are two ecosystems thatare made for each other, two
rising technologies.
Agents will need reputationsystems.
Web through domains can link tothem.
Agents may need soul boundcredentials.
Web 3 domains can link to them.
I can come up with a milliondifferent reasons for why
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building a brand, buildingcredibility behind a name, will
last and will create a lot ofvalue behind you and what you
deploy out there.
So, going back to again, youknow those who are seeing this
from a critical standpoint.
It's important that us that arebuilding and continuously
onboarding people into the spacethat we build responsibility
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Again, agenda, ai and Web3agents, or Web3 identity is like
a power tool.
Power tools can build homes orthey can hurt people, and so it
is definitely up to us to shapethis space correctly and again
show people how this can beutilized.
The world is changing fast.
Again, we're not just talkingabout smarter AI or cooler
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domains.
We're talking about a futurewhere, potentially, ai is going
to have an identity and anagency.
Identity is decentralized, workis autonomous and every agent,
every person, every idea has averifiable and ownable name.
With that being said, we justhad a guest join our space.
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I want to say definitely, wantto say good afternoon, I want to
give you a chance to go aheadand introduce yourself, but up
on the stage right now we've gotAINow.
For those who will be listeninglater, he is famously the new
owner of AgenticAIcom, sodefinitely the main.
That ties right into thenarrative of what's coming, how
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the space is building.
But definitely would like me tosay hi.
And then I wanted to get yourthoughts as well.
You know, obviously you must bebullish on Agility AI with the
recent purchase of the domain,but how do you feel about Web3
domains and their potential tieor use in, you know, agents as
they become deployed on-chain?
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Sorry for that long-windedquestion.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Hey, it's all good.
Good morning, marcus, or GM, orgood night, good evening,
whatever you want to call it.
I just want to start off bysaying thanks a bunch for being
flexible on this.
I know we kind of talkedearlier, so I just want to say I
really appreciate yourflexibility on this and I just
want to say hello to iHeartDomains, if there's another
person behind there.
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But yeah, you're correct, wedid acquire agenticacom at a
reasonable or fair value.
We think there's a lot of upsidepotential in the forward
looking years.
The CAGR or the compound annualgrowth rate, the search traffic
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, the way AI agents are going.
There's this new term calledvertical AI agents.
It's obviously, you know, it'sa little bit more specialized or
focused than just like AIagents.
But there's this new-ish termthat I've seen floating around
called vertical AI agents, kindof in a specific vertical of an
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industry or buying a business.
But yeah, you know, forwardlooking, I think we're, I think
we're, you know, I think theforward, you know this is just
my opinion the forward outlookof a Gentic AI is really
positive in my opinion.
Just looking at the data andthe trends and the graphs and
talk on X and talk on socialmedia and I, you know, I think,
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in my honest opinion, we're just, you know, getting started.
You know, I mean, I thinkeventually in the coming years,
next, you know, under five years, you'll have, you know, you'll
be, you know, just you know,you'll be like a car wash
attendant or you'll be like acar salesman, or you just you
know whatever you want to callit, and you'll have a little AI
agent on your computer.
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You know, managing your emails,managing your calendar,
automatically accepting invitesor automatically handling tasks
and emails and responses for youand and coordinating all those
things.
And so you know, I think youknow the other thing is is with
AI agents.
I mean, you know, I've mostlyseen it around X, and you know X
is, I don't want to say nerdy,but you know, just in my
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personal experience, I've seentrends on X before they go
mainstream.
And so you know, some peoplesay X is like the hive mind or
the internet, or whatever youwant to call it.
But you know, in terms of Web3and digital identities, you know
, my honest opinion is a lot ofthings are going to be tokenized
.
But you know, in terms of Web3and digital identities, you know
, my honest opinion is a lot ofthings are going to be tokenized
in the coming years.
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I don't necessarily know howsoon or how quick or how fast or
how much, but you know, justlooking at general trends and
data, in my opinion I think alot of things are going to be
tokenized, whether it's likestocks or art.
I mean, obviously some of thisstuff is already being done,
there's no question.
But you know, forward, lookingat like how much more is going
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to be tokenized?
And you know we already havelike USDC and all these.
You know all these other otherthings going on on tokenization
and RWA, real world assets.
But yeah, you know, I'm justI'm not particularly caught up
with the narrative or caught upwith the current state of
digital identities.
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I kind of know what they are,but you know, in relation to
Web3 and the blockchain andtokenization, I think long-term
that's only going to continuegrowing.
I just want to say thanks againfor having me on Marcus and
iHeart Domains.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah, absolutely, and love having you on.
I also enjoyed having theability to chat with you almost
right after you made theacquisition of the domain and
picking your brain.
I also want to welcome you tothe free name community as well.
I've already kind of told ourVIP community about you, so, uh,
definitely glad to have youthere.
Um, a couple things I I didwant to touch on and and so to
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kind of make this connection foryou, uh, to catch you up to
speed.
Um, the theory is, is that mostagents, at least right now,
right with the narrative thatwe're following now, like you,
you made a point, um, thattwitter, you know, kind of acts
like, like a hive, or cansometimes break technology
before it goes mainstream.
It seems like that, right, andthe narrative here, for the most
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part, is that these agents arebeing deployed on chain, um, the
the pretty much the simpleconnection is that you know
anything that's deployedsomewhere needs a name, right,
so that you can identify it, andmore than just a Twitter name,
right, but an actual, verifiablename so you can trace what it
is doing as it's interacting onthe blockchain Agents, as I'm
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currently seeing and interacting, and I was going to ask you as
well have you currently builtout any agents?
But just some news, that kindof where this space is going,
and again, I hope this.
I see this as being like thenext wave that takes over.
I mean, obviously, agentix hasa use case anywhere far beyond
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outside of crypto, but justwithin our little circle.
Right, we're coming from a bull.
We're coming into a bull run ofAgentix.
We're coming into a bull run ofagentics.
I mentioned last week thatSolana Agent Kit has now enabled
any agents that you build thereyou can actually launch a Pump
Fund token within their platformand attach it to the agent.
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So already you know they havean ecosystem where you can
deploy agents.
Agents can deploy token assetson chain.
But even beyond that virtual'secosystem has evolved to the
point where you can literallygamble on agents.
Right now, if you wannaparticipate in, basically, agent
IPOs, they have a whole list ofagents that are about to launch
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tokens and you can get intopre-sales on agent and these are
actual agentic AI agents whoare bidding for you to fund
their token to be launched onchain and do whatever it is that
they're going to do.
So even before this catches, Ithink, mainstream, you're going
to see the kind of degen economyreally kick this into high gear
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and turn this into kind of amoney farm for a little bit.
And again, with a lot of thingsbeing incubated within Web3,
with there being, you know, kindof a natural, a natural use
right, a natural, you know, anatural tie with the Gen 6, an
easy way for for, again, usnerds here to turn you know
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digital money into real money.
There is going to be a need toname them and the best way to
name these things in really, youknow, structurally is on chain.
If the asset exists on chain,web3 names exist to name those
things.
So hopefully that wasn't toolong winded, of kind of a
response to what you're sayingand also kind of an answer as to
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you know why.
I think the two worlds aredefinitely made for each other.
But back to the question that Iwanted to ask you have you had
a chance to build in the worldof AI or agentics personally yet
?
Do you have any personalexperience with that?
And it's cool if it's a yes orif it's a no.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I do have a follow-up question, depending on what the
answer is or if it's a no, I dohave a follow-up question,
depending on what the answer is.
Actually, yeah, that's a goodquestion.
Um, I was looking at this agentbuilder, sas or platform, uh
last week or two weeks agoactually for domain names
because, um, I was looking forit to like automatically
appraise names or automaticallylike do data crunching.
(27:38):
It was very domain focused butI ran into.
The problem is with the tool orplatform I picked.
I kind of gave up in like anhour or so because it just
seemed too complicated for me.
Now, I'm not saying that goesfor every agent platform or make
your own agent platform, but atleast the one I choose, that
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just with the UI and all thesedifferent connectors and steps
and processes and things, itjust got a little overwhelming
and a little daunting for me.
Now I understand, like, thewhole point of like if you can
actually automate this agent orbuild this agent like the ROI is
like insane.
You know you can have it doautomatic, whatever it's.
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Just it's just with theplatform I was using the.
I don't want to say the UIwasn't unfriendly, it was just
the whole getting a setup from Ato Z was a little daunting
Because I think I mean it couldbe my fault too, because
potentially, maybe what I wastrying to accomplish was too
complex or complicated.
I mean, I'm sure it can be donewith an AI agent, but you know,
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I'm a brand new beginner, youknow dabbling in AI agents and
so you know it's different thanlike, hey, I'm going to talk to
chat GPT about this prompt orabout have a long winded
conversation with chat GPT anddo some prompt engineering,
long-winded conversation withchat gbt and doing some prompt
engineering.
Um, so you know like, on thatfront, you know prompt
engineering.
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Or you know talking to ai in aelegant manner, if you will.
I've gotten good at that.
But when it comes to these aiagents, this is like my first
time actually exploring ordabbling in one.
So I actually gave up afterlike an hour or two.
Doesn't mean I'm not going torevisit it.
I think there is a strongpossibility I need I will
revisit it.
I just think I need to either,you know like, just watch a
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YouTube video, watch a tutorial,you know like, rather than just
go in blindingly on building anagent.
And I think I mean, obviouslyyou know I mean whether you're
making an agent for, like,domain appraisals or getting
ideas or whatever you want tocall it.
I mean, obviously there's a usecase and value there and
obviously they exist for areason.
It's just you know, like I saidin my experience, I just found
it a little daunting oroverwhelming.
(29:49):
But again, you know, that's whyI just need to watch a YouTube
video or to tutorial or startwith a more simple idea, because
that's kind of like how I gotstarted with vibe coding.
This kind of plays into it is.
When I started out at vibecoding, I was just really bad,
like my first project.
It was too complicated, it wasjust, you know, whatever.
(30:10):
But eventually, as I did morevibe coding, I broke it down
into smaller goals or smallersections and then built up my
vibe coding skills.
Not that I'm an expert at it orany means.
It's just you know, when youfirst start doing it, you kind
of don't understand thetechnicalities or the
complexities of building amoderately complex application
or website vibe coding.
(30:31):
But yeah, that's my response.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Yeah, you actually make a great point and it's I
hate to like I feel like I'm anextremely optimistic person that
every time like I speak aboutWeb3 domains or Web3 in any way,
like I always just find thegreatest possible road forward.
But everything does kind ofinspire the fact that there's a
(31:01):
solution right.
And once that solution happens,that adoption or mass adoption
may soon come with it, just likeeverything else right.
When something is extremelydifficult or when it's hard to
understand or build with, youhave kind of only this select
group of people that understandit and create with it that
inspire the rest.
But once that UI does exist,where the rest, you know, kind
(31:23):
of on on equal ground, akathings like we were talking
about this earlier in the spaceslike how you know, used to feel
like you had to have atechnical degree to launch a
token.
Now you can launch one any oneand pumped up fun Web3 TLDs, for
example, anyone and pumped upfun Web3TLDs, for example.
(31:44):
Who knows how to create anamespace.
You can acquire a namespacedirectly, turn key through free
name.
Same thing with AI, right, weare at that point right now with
AI agents.
We're there with agentics.
I think we scaled understandingor even using and implementing
AI in our everyday lives.
I think that happenedrelatively quickly.
As far as emerging technologygoes, I think we usually take a
(32:08):
little bit longer to just acceptsomething and run with it, but
it seems like we went from youknow, using AI to create filters
on Instagram to you know, fullyembedding it, at least in again
in chatbot interaction to thatextent.
But again, we're still at thatplace right now where it feels
like you have to have atechnical degree in order to
(32:29):
deploy these, and this is why Ithink any real estate connected
to this is so cheap right now,and so this is going back to
that opportunity so cheap rightnow, and so this is going back
to that opportunity.
It's so cheap because we knowthat day is coming.
Ai itself will eventuallyimprove itself to the point
where it'll be able to embed.
You get what I'm saying.
(32:49):
I'm not trying to spread thetheory that robots will take
over the world, but my pointbeing is that kind of as I
explained earlier in anotherspace and again related back to
Web2Domains, as of as Iexplained earlier in another
spaces and again related back toWeb3 domains, as far as
concepts, when they're past thepoint of pure speculation, right
when they've gotten to a pointwhere they're starting to
establish themselves as a realindustry.
(33:10):
Ai, by far, has exploded as anentire industry that is going to
continue to grow and continueto be embedded, whether it calls
itself that or not.
And so, again, when half of theworld doesn't understand what's
coming and you have anopportunity to own real estate
(33:31):
or to build infrastructure inthat thing before it blows, this
is where millionaires andbillionaires and et cetera are
made.
So, taking us back to theopportunity that exists, the
obvious opportunity that existsbuilding an AI, creating an AI
that's one opportunity, but thenowning what every agent will
(33:51):
eventually come to and need aswe start seeing multiple
ecosystems of agents beingdeployed out, here is another, I
believe, really easy way toposition yourself for the boom
that is eventually going to come, when these things become as
easy as being able to use abutton in your Instagram to
(34:12):
launch an agent that posts andtweets and does all that stuff
for you.
And again, I'm making upfeatures right now, how they'll
actually be deployed.
I'm sure they'll have adifferent name, but you get my
point If you play with AI in anyway, shape or form or fashion.
If you dug into any of theseecosystems, and especially if
you played around in any ofthese agent sandboxes, you know
(34:32):
where this is going, you knowwhere this is being built, built
and we're still right at thebeginning of that technology,
which you know.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Okay for it oh well, you know, I, I just want to say
it's something that's kind offunny, not in a bad way, um, but
I, I have a, you know, a goodfriend here in town and she is,
you know, relatively tech savvy.
She knows how to build acomputer, she knows how to, you
know, build, you know do a freshinstall of like Windows or
Linux or an operating system andreformat a computer.
(35:01):
And she's, you know, verytechnically savvy, or I
shouldn't say very, but she'swell equipped in the just, you
know, she was over, you know, acouple weeks ago and we were
just talking and I was askingher, like, have you ever heard
of Grok or AI?
Have you ever used AI?
(35:25):
And you know, at this point, aihas been around for, you know,
whatever, a few years, whateveryou want to call it, and she was
like, no, I haven't used AI.
And, granted, she's a littleolder than me and just and just
a friend, but I just found itreally interesting.
You know.
I guess my point is, you know, Istill think we're early to AI
because, you know, I just, youknow, this is kind of like a
(35:45):
salt test and to a degree, isokay.
So we have a relativelycompetent hardware tech nerdy
person, but they're not reallyup with the times, like they're
not on X or Twitter or Facebookor Instagram or whatever.
They're not really on socialmedia or using apps, right.
They're very they're kind ofold school.
But I just found it interesting.
(36:08):
You know kind of to your pointabout how we're early.
Is you know, here we have thisdemographic or this person that
I know that's never used AI andonce I got her set up with Grok
and Twitter and AI, she was likewow, this is amazing.
I can just talk to Grok aboutpractically anything and it will
just walk me through.
I can use Grok for searches andquestions rather than going to
Google or I can just have aconversation with it.
(36:30):
And I'm not sure, but I knowfor a fact there's plenty of
other people out there, becauseI asked a buddy of mine from
college, I was like, hey, man,you ever heard of agentic AI?
And he was like no, but heknows what AI is and I would
consider him a relativelytech-savvy person too, and he's
(36:50):
never heard of agentic AI or AIagents and I just thought that
was an interesting salt test tosome degree.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, again, it's definitely one of those things
that I think is just going tohappen right, and it's going to
take one person to deploy, orone company right to deploy,
something that just clicks withthe masses.
Or again like either better UIor something like that, or again
like either better UI orsomething like that, and you
(37:20):
again going to another point,yeah, there are certainly
pockets of people out there who,I mean, have not interacted or
have not consciously interactedwith AI.
The thing about AI, though, isit is extremely easy to onboard
people to using it, and that, Ithink, is also going to play a
big factor in this spreadingvery fast.
(37:40):
I mean almost anybody that youintroduce this to and open up a
simple chat bot and say you canask it any stupid question.
It'll give you an answerthat'll make you feel like
you're the smartest person inthe world.
I mean, that's instantaneousvalue.
I mean, my eight-year-olddaughter uses chat GPT, of
course, with monitoring andlimitations, but it is an
(38:00):
extremely useful tool that it'svery easy to onboard people with
, and even the people whohaven't heard it again.
Once it clicks, that simpleconcept, once it clicks, it's
embedded, you're hooked for life.
And that virality, thatusefulness.
Again, it takes us out of therealm of speculation as far as
(38:22):
whether or not AI is going tocontinue to be built upon,
continue to be evolved, continueto gain more onboarding, not
only from individuals or peopleconsumers but also large
corporations who are nowstarting to name themselves
after this and turn the entirebranch of their corporations
into AI companies, speaking ofwhich X is doing just that.
(38:45):
Right, x is focusing more onbeing an AI company than a
social media company.
And again, we see why, becausewe see where this is going.
Quick question, before we kindof start to wrap up this thought
and don't know if you have ananswer to it or not, but
obviously everyone's curiousYou've got agenticaicom.
(39:08):
Are you planning on building itout C or no?
And if so, can you share whatthat is?
But if not, if you see someoneelse eventually acquiring this
domain, how do you see thisdomain?
You know, kind of existing inthe space?
Again, it's a pretty big nameconsidering where we're going.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, good question.
Well, you know, I think what Ifall back on is just what I mean
.
Let's just look at agentic AIas a industry, as a vertical, as
a business, as you know,something in those lines you
know.
What I do know is, according tothe search data I saw, it gets
(39:51):
worldwide, approximately gets700 to 800.
The keyword agentic AI getsapproximately 700 to 800,000
searches on Google worldwide,relatively consistently for the
last six months a year and it'sgrowing.
If you look at the graph, thekeyword volume for agentic AI is
growing in an uptrend, whichtells me and you know the thing
(40:15):
is that the 800,000 searches,that's a lot, but that's a
fraction of the world populationwith what?
7, 8, 9 billion people?
That's a small fraction.
But what I'm looking at is justthe data, the trends, the
charts, the graphs.
What direction is it going,future-wise?
And the search volume is on anupslope.
(40:37):
You know, I was doing somemarket research about agentic AI
with a cumulative annual growthrate or CAGR or C-A-G-R, and
marketus put it at about 40% orso.
Obviously, that's just anestimate and estimates are known
to be wrong.
There's a margin of error, butone from the reports I saw it
(40:59):
was maybe whatever.
30%, 40% cumulative annualgrowth rate.
Point being, I was just lookingat all.
I wasn't even looking atcomparable sales.
I wasn't looking at.
I think that's the biggest thingI can say is I was not looking
at comparable sales, becausepeople buy domains for all sorts
of reasons.
You know there's end users,there's other investors, there's
(41:20):
wholesale, you know otherspeculators, whatever you want
to call it, you know you might.
You know like, for example,physicalaicom sold for $50,000,
like within the last two yearsand I'm not going to go into
physical AI, but you know, ifyou just Google it, nvidia has a
blog article about it.
Point being is, for thisacquisition, I was looking at
(41:41):
non-comparable sales data.
I was also looking atinvestments made in the space.
Where is the industry going?
How is the industry going toevolve?
A lot of my questions andthinking into this acquisition
were I don't want to say forwardthinking, but looking into the
future, not like this year, notnext year, but maybe two plus
(42:02):
years kind of thing and andeverything seemed to be positive
.
I mean, I'm sure there's a bearcase to be made.
I'm you know the grass isn'talways greener and you know I've
been known to be wrong, but atleast for this acquisition it,
you know, it's just.
I was like OK, you know, I feellike the risk to reward is
there, you know.
But you know to answer yourquestion directly, you know what
(42:27):
I'm going to do with it, youknow.
You know I just got it you know,it's just like I've been
traveling and I've been doingall these things lately.
So you know, kind of just, youknow we'll see doing all these
things lately.
So you know, kind of just, youknow we'll see.
But I think what I will say isyou know, if you want to be
called I mean, this is it's notlike this needs to be stated,
but I guess the way I perceiveit is if you want to be the
(42:47):
agentic AI company becauseagentic AI is encompassing of AI
agents and anything, aiautomation and you know, agentic
AI is like the categoricalumbrella definition term, if you
want to put it that way.
So you know, if you want to becalled the agentic AI company or
you know, want to do it, youknow you would have.
Thecom is just how I perceive itand, like I said, I could be
(43:10):
wrong, but that's just how Ikind of perceive it.
But also I think I think it's.
You know, if let's say thatnever happens, I never find a
buyer.
You know, I think it's a reallystrong and great name and if I
don't find a buyer or if I don'twant to sell it, you know,
whatever the point being is, Ido have the somewhat of the
skills to build something out onit, maybe a marketplace, maybe
(43:33):
a blog, maybe an informationalwebsite, you know.
Or I could just go to chat GPTor Grok for ideas, you know.
So you know, we'll see whathappens.
But you know, I think, you know, I think it's a strong,
powerful name, and you know, youknow, I'm sure you know.
The thing is, people like totalk about end users and you
(43:55):
know, an end user may have atotally different idea with it
than I may ever envision, or orthink of you know, I'm sure you
know it kind of not that itneeds to stay in its lane, but
who knows what you could buildon it.
You know you could build amarketplace.
You could do X.
You could use it as a redirect.
You know there is just a.
You know, you know, I guesspeople when they look at domains
(44:25):
they have different perceptionsor different ways of looking at
what they want to do with adomain.
You could do an agentic AInewsletter.
You know you want to start anagentic AI newsletter and keep
you know.
Thousands of people, thousandsof people, updated on a weekly
or daily basis.
You could do something likethat.
But I hope that gives yousomewhat of a direct answer to
your question.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you for answering and,like again, looking forward to
seeing what's built out with it.
Again, very powerful name.
It encompasses an entirecategory, so in one way or
another, it's going to serve aseither a great pillar of
information or a way to discoveryou know, discover some agentic
agents.
One thing is also for sure, tooand I think I saw this comment
(45:04):
on one of your posts orsomething or about you earlier
that it seems like ever sinceyou bought the name, every
single thing that's been showingup in my feed since then has
been locking in the fact that itwas a great buy.
Once again, the narrative of thespace of the crypto bubble is
definitely aligned with theGentic AI we're going to start
(45:27):
seeing.
We're at the very beginning ofit.
Right now, I can name likethree or four agents maybe that
exist on X.
It will soon be hundreds andthousands and hundreds of
thousands of them, and thenthat's just the beginning.
It will spread beyond thatagain to the normal user once
the UI catches up and we canstart onboarding the masses, and
this will be not only a way toonboard people into AI, but this
(45:49):
will also be a way to onboardthese same people into Web3.
With that being said, and yeah,I want to give you a chance if
you have any thoughts you wantto end with.
Once again, thank you fortaking the time out of your
evening to join us on the space.
I happily moved the space atthis time because I definitely
wanted your feedback Again,extremely valuable feedback, and
(46:10):
I know a lot of people are notonly following.
You know what you're doing withthe domain, but you know also,
following your journey, you'reputting out and sharing some
very you know what you're doingwith the domain, but you know
also, following your journey,you're putting out and sharing
some very you know, solid dataand information, again aligned
with the narrative of LogisticAI.
And for any of us who are inthe Web3 domain ecosystem, again
, if you're looking for, youknow, a perfect use case, the
(46:31):
perfect use case, the use case,the grail use case that we
didn't even know would existthree or four years ago when a
lot of us first started playingwith these domain names.
I mean, god gave us to us, gaveus AI, he gave us agents, and
so you know what to do.
You got to name them, but yeah,with that being said, anything
that you want to end with,before we close up sir.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
No, I just want to say thanks again for the
opportunity to talk and I knowwe met last week or a couple of
weeks ago or so, and it's been apleasure talking with you and
getting to know you and you kindof, you know, you know free
name got me my first TLD.
I don't want to it's not that Idon't want to reveal it, but
(47:13):
you know I will reveal it atsome point, you obviously know.
But you know I am excited toget my feet wet into web three
with a TLD, um, and it kind ofyou know the way I look at it is
kind of like have a stake inweb three.
You know, um, you know just alittle stake, a little little
dabbling, you know a littlewhatever you want to call it, um
(47:34):
, and you know, like I said, wemet within the last couple of
weeks and you know I reallyappreciate your time and you
taking the taking the time outof your day and your schedule to
educate me on web three.
And you know we talked a lotabout various things and so I
really appreciate that.
You know.
Closing notes, though, you knowyou know I think what I like the
most about domains is you know,it's a common, it's a common
(47:56):
shared interest.
And what I correlated to iskind of like stamp collecting,
you know, like there's there's,you know there's a ton of people
into cars, there's a ton ofpeople into crypto, you know
there's a ton of people into allthese hobbies, or you know
sports or football or whateverhockey, whatever you want to
call it.
But I kind of correlate domainsand I don't want to say Web3 is
(48:21):
like oh, that's a weird niche.
I don't want to say that at all.
I guess what I'm trying to sayis it's kind of like okay, if a
stamp collector meets anotherstamp collector, they're like oh
yeah, it's cool, let's talkabout stamps.
And I feel that way.
I take that and resonate that alot with domain investors and
other domain people is like, hey, you want to bond and just talk
over domains, whether it's web2 or web 3.
(48:43):
You want to talk slds, tlds,tlds taken, tlds developed.
You know all these metrics, geodomains, um, exact, match.
You know brandables, you knowit's just.
I guess what I'm trying to sayis um, you know, I, you know,
between you and a handful ofother people I've been able to
meet through X, I've been ableto make some what I would call
friends or domain buddies, orbuddies, you know, and I just
(49:05):
think that's the power of like a, you know, I don't want to say
a niche hobby, because there's alot of people in it, but you
know, just like a specializedinterest may be a better way to
put it, and so I don't mean anyof that negatively, I mean all
that positively, and so I'm veryyou know.
You know, between meeting youand a lot of other people in the
domain space, there's a lot ofcool and great people, and you
(49:26):
know.
You know, what I like is it'sglobal.
You know, I've talked to peoplein India, bangladesh, you know,
here in the United States, youknow, all across the world, and
I just think it's cool to justsee.
Hey, you know, let's just talkabout one thing and then share
ideas and tips and tricks andjust discuss about this, and
then maybe we'll sprinkle insome personal stuff, you know,
(49:46):
and get to know each other alittle bit and through the
internet, and I think that'sreally cool.
But that's really all I have toend on.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
No, you're absolutely right.
And it is crazy.
No, you're absolutely right, itis crazy, especially in
traditional domain space, howbig that space is, how the
transactions that have been madeover the past 20 or 30 years in
domains, and the fact that it'sreally just like a few people.
Right, it's really not that bigof a group and that's the
beautiful thing about it, right,that small groups of
(50:16):
visionaries can make a really,really big difference that
impacts the whole world, andthey don't even know it.
And so again back on my superpositiveness we are that group,
right, we're that group ofthinkers and innovators here in
this bubble called Web3 thatwill create a concept that the
world will accept because it'sawesome and it'll work for them.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah, I'm just going to say thanks again.
I'm going to drop to listening.
So thanks for giving me thefloor and I'm just going to drop
to listening.
Thanks again.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you once again for comingon as a guest and again, we're
about to wrap up the space, justwrapping up with these thoughts
Agents in AI or AI agents onthe blockchain, web3 domains
again are two opportunities, twoemerging industries, two
emerging technologies, thatthere is a bunch of both
(51:10):
investment opportunity in aswell as participation
opportunity, and we are at acrossroads or something.
But again, us, as this smallgroup, just like the group I
just referenced in DNS, that hasthe ability to create really
pretty big ecosystem, financialecosystem we are the group that
is doing that here.
So, without further ado, withnothing else to be said, once
(51:36):
again, thank you guys forattending this Tech Talk.
Try to do this every week.
I've been doing this again forthe past two and a half, three
years.
If you want to listen to any ofthe previous episodes, you can
find them easily oniHeartDomainscom or on
TechTalkhost.
But yeah, until next time,focus on your mission and not
your condition.
Happy domaining and yeah, getout there building AI.
(51:57):
Eventually it's going to beincorporated in the way that you
do business, the way you thinkand the way you operate your day
, so it's better to get ahead ofthe building curve already, but
again, thank you for attendinganother Tech Talk.
See you guys next week.
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