July 19, 2023 • 29 mins
Have you ever wondered how a construction worker would transition into a career in cybersecurity? Our friend Danny, who did just that, offers a riveting account of his unique tech journey.
A Microsoft scam was a pivotal moment that sparked his curiosity and propelled him to explore the complex world of cybersecurity. His story is a testament to the idea that traditional educational background need not always dictate your career path. Danny generously shares several resources for those intrigued by the tech field, especially the realm of cybersecurity.
Shifting gears, career transitions become the focus of our conversation. Those mulling over a career change will find Danny's advice immensely valuable - he stresses the importance of thoroughly researching roles, networking, continuous learning, and the art of asking the right questions.
Personal cybersecurity is another crucial topic we delve into. With insights drawn from Danny's own experience, we discuss the necessity of maintaining digital hygiene and implementing protective measures to safeguard your data.
This episode is a compelling mix of inspiring stories, practical tips, and valuable resources designed to guide you on your path to a successful tech career. So, tune in, get inspired, and get ready to embark on your tech journey.
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https://www.youtube.com/@zendanny
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Danny Z (00:00):
I was like 19 or so.
I fell for one of those likeMicrosoft scams, like if
somebody's claiming to besupport, saying that they'll
they'll help you clean your,your, your computer.
And yeah, it's just malware.
Lucas Casarez (00:14):
This is techy personal finance bootcamp, where
I help tech professionals intheir 20s and 30s balance a
great life today withoutsacrificing their future
possibilities.
I'm your host, lucas Casaris,certified financial planner and
founder of level up financialplanning, where I help educate,
coach and build strategies withmy clients to help them take
their financial competence tothe next level.
(00:35):
Did it, did it, did it, did it.
Disclaimer alert thisinformation's for education.
So don't just go use it, firstconsult with your financial
advisor, because that's way morelegit.
That's it.
That was a Orlando Gomez, andyou can catch him in season
three, episode four, on how hebroken a tech by writing a
jingle.
Hello, thank you for joiningtechy personal finance bootcamp.
(00:57):
I'm excited.
I have a good friend, danny, ontoday.
He went from working inconstruction to learning
electrical on the job.
He convinced himself that heshould pursue tech as a career
despite not having a formalbackground, and I'm excited for
you to kind of hear his path andthe unique transition that he
took.
He's now worked in informationsecurity, also known as cyber
(01:19):
security, for six years now andhe enjoys helping those that
want to learn about the field inany way that he can.
He has a couple of resourcesthat I will drop in his episode
that you can easily navigate toyou and as well as he's going to
drop a few gems about cybersecurity, navigating your career
as an early, non-traditionalperson, and so hopefully that
(01:41):
will help you if you're in asimilar situation or need a
couple of ideas that, if you'rein a rut right now, just kind of
push through to get to thatnext level and break into tech.
Hey, danny, thanks for comingon the show.
Thank you, lucas.
I hinted a little bit at yourjourney during the introduction,
but tell me what initially ledyou to kind of jump into
construction, because that'sdefinitely different than what
(02:04):
you're doing.
That.
Danny Z (02:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty , pretty different.
So what ended up happeningthere is I had family that that
was in that line of work, souncles and my dad doing that
line of work, so some summers Iwould go with them and just then
do some summer job there, andthen eventually I did that for a
(02:28):
little bit longer, do for a fewyears after school and doing
community college at the sametime.
So I was just doing that lineof work, working my way through
school and learning about thetrade as well, so it kind of
just fell into it that way.
Lucas Casarez (02:47):
Yeah and super come.
I know I used to take alongwith my dad when he'd do like
different landscaping jobs andhe'd still plow and yeah, it's
cool because those things areactive, it's fun and like when
you're younger you have to beable to be like, oh yeah, like
I'm doing this hard, super hard,manly work and get a 4G right.
You're not used to getting paidand then you get to earn that
(03:08):
extra money, so that's anawesome experience.
So where along that process didit kind of dawn on you that you
could do something else, thatyou actually could take a
different path?
Was it because of some of theclasses you were taking or what
kind of led you down findingcybersecurity as an alternative
career path there?
Danny Z (03:28):
Yeah, so I did take a couple of computer classes but I
think that I peaked my interest.
But I think one of the biggerthings was just getting my own
laptop for school.
I actually didn't have acomputer laptop during high
school or middle school.
It wasn't until after that andthen just learning more about
(03:50):
how to configure differentthings and basically being
responsible for your ownsecurity configuration and all
of that.
Right, I just started learninga little bit about that.
And then one big thing I wouldsay that happened is I think I
was like 19 or so I fell for oneof those like Microsoft scams,
(04:13):
like somebody's claiming to besupport, saying that they'll
help you clean your computer.
And yeah, it's just malware.
So I fell for one of those andthen, after I realized that, I
was like I need to figure outhow to get rid of this and
basically wipe my laptop andlearn how that worked.
(04:33):
So after that I told myselffirst I would never let that
happen to me again, and then how?
To figure out why this happens.
Lucas Casarez (04:42):
Yeah, that's crazy.
I think we've all had some typeof similar experiences like
that right, where you're talkingto someone and you realize,
like what's going on here, likethis doesn't seem right.
All of a sudden I've any.
Yeah, you freak out Like, well,what does that mean?
All that kind of chaos, thatdoesn't feel good.
Right, you felt violated andthat's crazy.
(05:05):
That made such a big impact onyou that you really dove into
and actually turned that into acareer, so probably like one of
your worst kind of experiences,almost at that point to
something that's you're a fewyears into your career now and
kind of excellent.
So what was the next step?
So what would you rank in that?
(05:25):
And you're like, well, thisstuff is, were you just like
super interested by that once?
You just kind of put it in thewormhole.
Danny Z (05:32):
Yeah, exactly, so it was just something that really
picked my interest.
And then the more I startedlearning about it, the more I
recognized, like some of thoseother threats or scams like the
PayPal one is a big is a commonone where you'll it's basically
a fake landing page and theywant you to enter your login
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information.
So I started recognizing thosethings.
And then I started playingaround with what's called
virtual machines.
So it's like just somethingthat you download onto your
laptop and then you could playaround with that system versus
testing on your actual computeror laptop.
So it just separates it moreand it's better for testing that
(06:15):
way.
So I just started learning thatway through YouTube tutorials
and other things like that.
And then eventually it is whenI found a program that I did
called Year Up that just doessome training as well as an
internship.
So once I had some of thatcuriosity very piqued is when I
did that program and I was justable to learn even more.
Lucas Casarez (06:38):
That's crazy.
So Year Up was what it wascalled, yeah, yeah.
And so you said you were doingcommunity college before that.
How far did you make it in that?
The college part before youdecided what cybersecurity?
And then there's this cool onramp called Year Up, in addition
to all the other stuff that youwere probably diving into.
Danny Z (07:00):
Yeah, so I did do my AA community college.
It took me about three or soyears, since I was working at
the Rway at the same time, but Iwas doing business, and once I
finished is when I realized thatyou can only apply that if
you're either starting abusiness or doing some other
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high level roles in business.
And I was still trying tofigure out what that next move
was going to be.
And that's when I just keptdiving more into technical
things and discovered thatcybersecurity could be an actual
career path and not necessarilyrequire like a four year degree
or something like that.
Lucas Casarez (07:44):
Yeah.
And so what was that decisionpart?
Because, yeah, you could havejust kept on with the score,
right.
And they're like, yeah, I don'tthink it would have taken up
four years, because some of thatstuff would have transitioned,
like they still record and takeEnglish and math and stuff like
that for business, which I'msure would have carried over,
but like, was there somethingwas Year Up?
Sounds like it's a year long,right?
(08:05):
So that answer is that kind ofwhat was the enticing part?
Like, yeah, let's get the samepick started.
Danny Z (08:11):
Yeah, I think that was definitely a big factor for me
that it was a year long andgoing the route of like a four
year school was going to put meinto some debt and I didn't
really want to do that.
And then also the more researchI did, I was thinking like,
(08:32):
even if I learned the technicalskills, I still need afterwards
I still need to get a job, andat the time I didn't know many
people in the field, andsomething that this program will
do is connect you with peoplealready in the field through
either informational interviewsor just other relationship
building.
And that piece is somethingthat really attracted me because
(08:53):
I was thinking, once I learnedthese skills, I still need to
know some people to potentiallyget my foot in the door.
So that's something that reallystood out to me as well.
Lucas Casarez (09:04):
Yeah and super important, right, you could be
the most knowledgeable person inthe world, but you don't have
some of those connections thatkind of help get those things
going.
And how many people did youknow in the field when you were
younger, like in high school andthings like that, because I
know that representation is ahuge issue with any high earning
(09:25):
type career and salary.
Like I didn't know, I've neverheard of financial planning
until I started working at abank and I was like, oh, what
person in that office do?
But yeah, there was no peoplethat looked like me when I was
younger during financialplanning.
I knew one engineer.
Actually he was one of myfootball coaches when I was
younger, so that's the onlyperson I knew that did any type
(09:47):
of engineer.
And did you know people thatwere kind of in these types of
careers when you were younger?
Danny Z (09:53):
I only knew I only had one friend that was in the field
, and then, throughout time iswhen I realized another family
friend was also in tech, but itwasn't like I knew a whole lot
of people in the field and, likeyou said a lot of times,
representation is a big issueand only after time is when
(10:18):
you'll see more people in thefield.
Lucas Casarez (10:21):
Yeah, and so doing the year out was a pretty
easy just because of a lot ofthose connections and
connections that you wouldn'thave had Otherwise.
It was a pretty easy for you tokind of get it launched as soon
as Europe was wrapped up.
Danny Z (10:36):
Thankfully, it worked out.
So, like what happened was theinternship was six months long,
which is something I reallyliked, because you get to ask
your questions, you get to learnfrom everything you're doing
and talk to people in otherteams as well, not just the
direct team that I was workingon and then, towards the end of
(10:58):
my internship, when my managersaid that they wanted to convert
me, and then, thankfully, itworked out and I ended up being
hired on at the end of thatinternship.
Lucas Casarez (11:09):
And that's what internships should really be
like.
Right, like, hey, youcontribute a little bit, you're
more valuable to the employernow, they know a lot more about
you and they're willing to takethose risks on you.
And I know it doesn't alwayswork out like that for
internships, but I think that'swhat most people's hopes are.
Well, it's from the employerand the employer said that's
(11:29):
awesome, it yeah.
So right now, knock on wood.
I know from everything I knowfrom our conversations you're
safe with your position and roleright now, but there's a lot of
transitionary stuff going on intech in general.
If we're going to just use ithere umbrella tech.
Do you feel like that's thesame for your field, your nature
(11:51):
being in cybersecurity?
Is it just as scary as some ofmy software engineer clients,
people that have been gettinglaid off, headcount reductions,
things like that?
Danny Z (12:01):
Yeah, I would say it is a tough kind of environment
right now.
Thankfully, from what I've seenat my company and other
companies, cybersecurity,security, engineer roles have
been less impacted.
There has been some that I'veheard from, but thankfully it
hasn't been as widespread.
So yeah, that's what I'm seeingright now.
(12:23):
Better day is a little bit of atough environment.
Lucas Casarez (12:29):
Yeah, and that's kind of what my guess would be
too, because you guys areplaying important, vital roles,
right, lots of stuff can happen.
You see about stuff in the newsall the time, right, data
breaches, even companies thatare supposed to be like less
pass, and all these differentcompanies.
So I'm sure your job's not theeasiest.
There's always new thingscoming out new.
(12:49):
The tricky thing for you it'snot just your personal stuff
that you're worried about, it'sone single weak link, right,
employee that drops the ball.
That just kind of makes a hugevulnerability for the company.
So, yeah, I'm sure the demandfor cybersecurity experts and
even retaining them too, right,you don't want someone that
(13:11):
knows where everything is andhow to fix everything to walk
out the door.
So good to hear that.
Yeah, not kind of what thatthing's seem pretty solid in
your industry?
I think it would be.
Is the outlook for growth stillpretty high for cybersecurity
professionals?
What do you think?
Danny Z (13:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think it's only going to continue to
grow.
The more companies becomeinternet dependent and more
connected, I think it's going tocontinue, and then it always
evolves as well, so it's likethe learning, continuous
learning is always going to bethere.
(13:51):
So, yeah, I think the growthdefinitely is there.
Lucas Casarez (13:55):
Yeah, perfect, and yeah, I think I think most
people with ambition are like Ilike to continuously grow.
We're kind of new people and Ilike that.
They hope that everything staysthe same, they never have to
learn anything new.
But I think most of the peopleI know that are kind of
aggressively getting after yourlife like enjoy those slight
changes and kind of thoseopportunities for growth there.
(14:18):
So you've come from anon-traditional background to
break into cybersecurity.
What tips would you give tosomeone that's like thinking,
whether it's cybersecurity orjust trying to make a huge
career shift or transition, thatyou're going from construction
to cybersecurity is definitely abig change.
(14:39):
What tips do you have?
Danny Z (14:41):
Yeah, some things for people to do, I would say, is
find some kind of roadmap thatoutlines the career paths
they're interested.
So let's say they're interestedin like and they have like
three or four main interests.
Find a roadmap for those to seewhat it would look like, but
the path, the skills necessaryand what closely aligns with
(15:02):
what they like.
And then after that I would say, talk to people in those
respective fields so that theyknow what their day-to-day can
look like and also like what didthey learn to get in those
roles right?
And then if they could seethemselves doing that kind of
work, because I think anythingin tech it's their great careers
(15:24):
but it's also a lot of work toget there and so I think once
people know what some of that isinvolved, then they could see
oh yeah, this is definitelysomething that I could see
myself doing.
Lucas Casarez (15:35):
Those are awesome tips.
As far as creating a roadmap,that's kind of how I think about
financial stuff.
Right, let's you know financialroadmap, let's figure this
stuff out.
But talking to people is supervaluable because, like you wanna
know if that's not for you,because you were able to take
this quick ramp year up withthat internship and all that.
(15:58):
But that's not easy, right, I'msure most people don't want
from like college, thinking, oh,I'll just be like college,
it'll be easy, not a big deal.
I'm sure things get ramped upin any year up, trying to
squeeze you between what youdon't know, which is a lot of
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things to figuring out enough tocontribute to a company and,
yeah, you know I'm putting a lotof hard work for sure and to
ultimately end up disliking aposition that would sink.
And so definitely putting thetime to talk to people in your
six years into your career nowIs that right?
Danny Z (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, just six years.
Lucas Casarez (16:39):
So someone that's early career, what would you
kind of give them if they werelike in their first year or two?
Like holy smokes, like I'd go,but it feels rough.
What tips would you givesomeone probably a year or two
into it?
Danny Z (16:55):
Yeah, I would say it's at first like that feeling of
like trying to catch up and likethe Compostor Syndrome.
It's super normal.
I think that's something toacknowledge.
And then from there, I wouldsay that that like learning,
that curiosity, continuouslearning, that got you there,
(17:15):
that's what's going to keep youadvancing, keep you going.
So, whether it's, you know,whether it could be once or
twice a week, just someadditional learning that you're
doing and then asking goodquestions on the job, because,
ultimately, a unique thing aboutthis field is that a lot of
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what you learn is on the job andyou're kind of learning as
you're going.
So that's going to be key onlike seeing what's working and
then asking questions for whereto go from there.
Lucas Casarez (17:48):
Yeah, figuring it out, you know of all the
educational knowledge, but, yeah, the actual application of it
is always going to be critical,perfect, and people could stay
stagnant right in their careersand some people are happy with
that.
But I think a lot of timesyou'll see those people that
have always had the same title,always doing the same thing.
(18:11):
They don't take thoseadditional opportunities to
learn, well, what's next?
What's the thing that will keepme curious and excited a little
bit about, like, because a lotof stuff will just be repetitive
that you do on the day to day.
So if you're not getting thatthrough your work automatically,
you can search that out.
So that's an awesome tip, danny.
Well, we already talked a littlebit about cybersecurity and
(18:32):
scammers and things like that,and it's everywhere.
Like it was probably two weeksago, by the way, I thought
Amazon had called her about someexpensive thing and like I
heard from downstairs here liketalking about stuff.
She's like no, I don't want togive you my bank account or
anything.
And I ran upstairs like what'sgoing on?
And I was like no, that's notAmazon.
(18:54):
Yeah, but I was like what didyou say?
What's going on?
What passwords are you setting?
Stuff like that.
So, again, huge, huge importancewhat you do, and it's not just
from as an employee.
Right, you have to still bevigilant on your personal
standpoint, and that's a lot.
Our computers, our phones haveall of our critical stuff most
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of the time.
Now, what tips would you givepeople to kind of protect
themselves personally, andprobably even like a lot of us
are working from home and thingslike that?
So maybe first let's start withthe personal standpoint, but
then, yeah, there might be someadditional tips that would be
slightly different from being anemployee and having your work
computer at home.
Danny Z (19:36):
Yeah, so yeah, like you said, a lot of what we have
like our data areas on eitherour laptops or phones.
So I would say, definitelyhaving some digital hygiene.
So it could be like strongpasswords, 2fa, and then two
factor authentication, and thennowadays it's kind of a new
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thing, but both Google and Applehave something called pass keys
to where you'll register itonce.
It could be like your face oryour thumb print or something
else, and then that will be yourlogin for, let's say, your
Gmail account or other account,and then it kind of makes you
that you don't have to remembera password anymore, so somebody
(20:21):
with your password won't be ableto log in at that point, and
then it's a second factor aswell.
So things like that, I think,can make a really big difference
.
Lucas Casarez (20:31):
And so I love those things because I don't
need to remember the password.
It just scans my face.
Not everything has it, and sothose things the face scan or
fingerprint those are prettysafe.
There's no way for someone tokind of replicate those things
then.
Danny Z (20:51):
Well, there has been things that have come up in,
researchers that have replicated, either like an iris scan from
like a picture, like a 3Dpicture, and they can replicate
it.
So it has happened before.
From what I've read, it's beenlike security researchers that
have done it and I would sayit's still going to be at this
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moment it's still going to besafer than a password.
And then at the moment thestrongest form of two-factor
authentication would be like aphysical security key, so either
like a UB key or something likethat, where you plug it into
your laptop or your phone andthen that serves as your second
factor.
The key is registered to thatwebsite.
(21:38):
So let's say it's gmailcom andthen it's registered to that
real gmailcom and only that.
So it's kind of a phishingproof way of logging in.
So I would say that aboveeverything but at the moment
face ID, touch ID, it will stillbe safe compared to like a
(21:59):
password.
Lucas Casarez (22:00):
Yeah, better than just the password and yeah,
perfect.
Yup, and when I think aboutthat stuff it makes me think of
like, the movies right whenyou're like someone cuts off the
like puts it on.
So it sounds like for the mostpart, people would have to have
pretty deep pod, get someresources to be able to
replicate the iris and all that.
(22:20):
Yeah, perfect.
So would there be anythingdifferent as an employee working
from home, as far as kind ofprotecting work stuff?
Danny Z (22:30):
I would say the delineation of, like your
personal data and work data.
So what happens a lot with theremote workforce can be once the
accounts are commingled.
Let's say they're somebody's intheir work laptop but then they
want to log into their personalemail or some other personal
(22:51):
account and their other theirpersonal laptop might be in the
same room, but for conveniencepurpose they just stay on their
work laptop.
So things like that, or viceversa, trying to log in from a
personal laptop onto their workaccounts.
So I would say things like that, when it comes to somebody,
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someone's data is important tobe mindful about.
And then, yeah, when it comesto home networks, just having
your router properly configured,no, not to keep the default
password.
Like when somebody buys arouter, they'll have a default
password, but it tells you tochange it.
So simple things like that willgo a long way when it comes to
(23:35):
home networks.
And then, on the work side,usually employers will have like
a VPN or something else thatwill protect that side.
Lucas Casarez (23:47):
Yeah, and that's the last thing you want to do is
like, hey, I logged into workstuff on my personal computer
and this happened, and you getstuff reset and then like all of
a sudden, your work has to knowthat you messed up on your
first side of things.
So yeah, you can separate it.
There'd be one way to havethese avoid some of that.
Danny Z (24:05):
Yeah, that will definitely help.
And then companies are going inthe direction of like making
that, putting security controlsto where that can't happen, but
it has happened before wherethey get co-mingled.
Lucas Casarez (24:21):
Yeah, yeah and that's.
I've had an employee at anintern a year ago.
But my biggest fear with hiringsomeone I'm totally virtual,
100% workable, and like I dealwith people so security numbers,
bank account, financial stuff,and like I don't really trust
(24:42):
other people to take care ofstuff or be as like freaked out
and paranoid about system hacksand stuff and so eventually when
I start hiring people out, I'mgoing to have to either hire you
as a consultant or see whoyou'd recommend where I can make
sure that other computer getslied down as best as I can.
So allow them to work, but yeah, don't let them do personal
(25:03):
stuff.
I want to limit the risk asmuch as possible.
Danny Z (25:08):
Yeah, definitely, especially with that kind of
information.
Lucas Casarez (25:11):
All right, so I appreciate you coming on, Danny,
I know one of the things that'simportant to you is just
encouraging people and helpingpeople kind of figure out how to
break into cybersecurity ortech, whatever it is.
You have some resources thatyou shared with me that I'm
going to put in the show notesthat we can share.
But yeah, anything else youwant to say before we sign off
(25:35):
today?
Danny Z (25:37):
Just for everybody that's interested in the
cybersecurity path and even techin general, like I would
definitely recommend to keepgoing and, yeah, they can reach
out as well for any additionalhelp.
Lucas Casarez (25:50):
Yeah, perfect, and so the keep going aspects.
I think it's important and thismight not have been the case
for you, but was there a pointin this process where, like, oh
man, this does not seem likeit's worth it or I'm not going
to make it?
Did you ever kind of have thatimposter syndrome or like, yeah,
maybe they say for me.
Did that happen to you kind ofalong the course of your journey
(26:13):
?
Danny Z (26:14):
Oh yeah, that happened to win, like one of the projects
that I was working on duringthe schooling and then during
internship as well.
There's a moment where, like Isaid, internally, you just don't
think that you, that you can doit, and or that the task is too
, too large.
So that's definitely, itdefinitely happened.
(26:37):
And having to like sit down andthink it through to know, like,
how far you've made it and thatyou just have to keep going.
Lucas Casarez (26:48):
You know, yeah, exactly, and so that's what
praying that I thought is.
When you said keep going, I waslike man, that's people like
Danny's coming from somewhere,get a tome something at some
point.
So, yeah, I really appreciateyou sharing that, because I
think a lot of people don'tshare those things.
Right, like I almost quit,almost tapped out.
And what we don't realize isand I've been open about this
(27:09):
with my business it was likealmost tapped out with my
business, just went and joinedanother person made.
It would have been so easy and Idefinitely thought about it
long and hard but I chose not toand all of a sudden, like
everything's got really good,really easy compared to what it
was before.
And so I feel like for a lot ofus, these moments of like about
to tap out, about to give up,is Like right before he hit,
(27:31):
like another breakthrough, andit's like, oh, dang, this, this
is nice.
I'm glad I didn't give up.
You're six years into it, right?
So you've had a lot of momentswhere it's like You're, you're
pretty happy with what's takingwith it and not giving up.
Danny Z (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And thinking back in thosemoments like for sure, it's,
it's crazy to think like the thefeelings at that time, and then
like just we were able to getthrough.
Lucas Casarez (27:57):
Yeah, I've been.
You mentioned kind of reachingout to people.
Another benefit of that is likehey, you can lean on them, they
can kind of talk you off theledge.
Talking to these, you don'talways have to just be like the
only only person in your head.
Reach out, reach out to Danny,start to build your community,
especially if you're early inyour career, because even if
things are going good for youright now, the things change
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constantly.
The economy is always changing,businesses are changing.
Strong companies are alwaysdoing funky things and doing
things that maybe don't reflect,like, hey, this, why is this
strong company?
You, you're laying off peopleand you want people like Danny
and other people on your side tobe like, hey, I know who you
are, I know what your work ethicis and and, yeah, let's, let's
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help you find that nextopportunity, because we know
that you'll be awesome whereveryou go.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, well, thanks for comingout today, danny.
Thank you, thank you Lucas.
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I fell for one of those likeMicrosoft scams, like if
somebody's claiming to besupport, saying that they'll
they'll help you clean your,your, your computer.
And yeah, it's just malware.
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I'm excited.
I have a good friend, danny, ontoday.
He went from working inconstruction to learning
electrical on the job.
He convinced himself that heshould pursue tech as a career
despite not having a formalbackground, and I'm excited for
you to kind of hear his path andthe unique transition that he
took.
He's now worked in informationsecurity, also known as cyber
(01:19):
security, for six years now andhe enjoys helping those that
want to learn about the field inany way that he can.
He has a couple of resourcesthat I will drop in his episode
that you can easily navigate toyou and as well as he's going to
drop a few gems about cybersecurity, navigating your career
as an early, non-traditionalperson, and so hopefully that
(01:41):
will help you if you're in asimilar situation or need a
couple of ideas that, if you'rein a rut right now, just kind of
push through to get to thatnext level and break into tech.
Hey, danny, thanks for comingon the show.
Thank you, lucas.
I hinted a little bit at yourjourney during the introduction,
but tell me what initially ledyou to kind of jump into
construction, because that'sdefinitely different than what
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you're doing.
That.
Danny Z (02:05):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty , pretty different.
So what ended up happeningthere is I had family that that
was in that line of work, souncles and my dad doing that
line of work, so some summers Iwould go with them and just then
do some summer job there, andthen eventually I did that for a
(02:28):
little bit longer, do for a fewyears after school and doing
community college at the sametime.
So I was just doing that lineof work, working my way through
school and learning about thetrade as well, so it kind of
just fell into it that way.
Lucas Casarez (02:47):
Yeah and super come.
I know I used to take alongwith my dad when he'd do like
different landscaping jobs andhe'd still plow and yeah, it's
cool because those things areactive, it's fun and like when
you're younger you have to beable to be like, oh yeah, like
I'm doing this hard, super hard,manly work and get a 4G right.
You're not used to getting paidand then you get to earn that
(03:08):
extra money, so that's anawesome experience.
So where along that process didit kind of dawn on you that you
could do something else, thatyou actually could take a
different path?
Was it because of some of theclasses you were taking or what
kind of led you down findingcybersecurity as an alternative
career path there?
Danny Z (03:28):
Yeah, so I did take a couple of computer classes but I
think that I peaked my interest.
But I think one of the biggerthings was just getting my own
laptop for school.
I actually didn't have acomputer laptop during high
school or middle school.
It wasn't until after that andthen just learning more about
(03:50):
how to configure differentthings and basically being
responsible for your ownsecurity configuration and all
of that.
Right, I just started learninga little bit about that.
And then one big thing I wouldsay that happened is I think I
was like 19 or so I fell for oneof those like Microsoft scams,
(04:13):
like somebody's claiming to besupport, saying that they'll
help you clean your computer.
And yeah, it's just malware.
So I fell for one of those andthen, after I realized that, I
was like I need to figure outhow to get rid of this and
basically wipe my laptop andlearn how that worked.
(04:33):
So after that I told myselffirst I would never let that
happen to me again, and then how?
To figure out why this happens.
Lucas Casarez (04:42):
Yeah, that's crazy.
I think we've all had some typeof similar experiences like
that right, where you're talkingto someone and you realize,
like what's going on here, likethis doesn't seem right.
All of a sudden I've any.
Yeah, you freak out Like, well,what does that mean?
All that kind of chaos, thatdoesn't feel good.
Right, you felt violated andthat's crazy.
(05:05):
That made such a big impact onyou that you really dove into
and actually turned that into acareer, so probably like one of
your worst kind of experiences,almost at that point to
something that's you're a fewyears into your career now and
kind of excellent.
So what was the next step?
So what would you rank in that?
(05:25):
And you're like, well, thisstuff is, were you just like
super interested by that once?
You just kind of put it in thewormhole.
Danny Z (05:32):
Yeah, exactly, so it was just something that really
picked my interest.
And then the more I startedlearning about it, the more I
recognized, like some of thoseother threats or scams like the
PayPal one is a big is a commonone where you'll it's basically
a fake landing page and theywant you to enter your login
(05:54):
information.
So I started recognizing thosethings.
And then I started playingaround with what's called
virtual machines.
So it's like just somethingthat you download onto your
laptop and then you could playaround with that system versus
testing on your actual computeror laptop.
So it just separates it moreand it's better for testing that
(06:15):
way.
So I just started learning thatway through YouTube tutorials
and other things like that.
And then eventually it is whenI found a program that I did
called Year Up that just doessome training as well as an
internship.
So once I had some of thatcuriosity very piqued is when I
did that program and I was justable to learn even more.
Lucas Casarez (06:38):
That's crazy.
So Year Up was what it wascalled, yeah, yeah.
And so you said you were doingcommunity college before that.
How far did you make it in that?
The college part before youdecided what cybersecurity?
And then there's this cool onramp called Year Up, in addition
to all the other stuff that youwere probably diving into.
Danny Z (07:00):
Yeah, so I did do my AA community college.
It took me about three or soyears, since I was working at
the Rway at the same time, but Iwas doing business, and once I
finished is when I realized thatyou can only apply that if
you're either starting abusiness or doing some other
(07:23):
high level roles in business.
And I was still trying tofigure out what that next move
was going to be.
And that's when I just keptdiving more into technical
things and discovered thatcybersecurity could be an actual
career path and not necessarilyrequire like a four year degree
or something like that.
Lucas Casarez (07:44):
Yeah.
And so what was that decisionpart?
Because, yeah, you could havejust kept on with the score,
right.
And they're like, yeah, I don'tthink it would have taken up
four years, because some of thatstuff would have transitioned,
like they still record and takeEnglish and math and stuff like
that for business, which I'msure would have carried over,
but like, was there somethingwas Year Up?
Sounds like it's a year long,right?
(08:05):
So that answer is that kind ofwhat was the enticing part?
Like, yeah, let's get the samepick started.
Danny Z (08:11):
Yeah, I think that was definitely a big factor for me
that it was a year long andgoing the route of like a four
year school was going to put meinto some debt and I didn't
really want to do that.
And then also the more researchI did, I was thinking like,
(08:32):
even if I learned the technicalskills, I still need afterwards
I still need to get a job, andat the time I didn't know many
people in the field, andsomething that this program will
do is connect you with peoplealready in the field through
either informational interviewsor just other relationship
building.
And that piece is somethingthat really attracted me because
(08:53):
I was thinking, once I learnedthese skills, I still need to
know some people to potentiallyget my foot in the door.
So that's something that reallystood out to me as well.
Lucas Casarez (09:04):
Yeah and super important, right, you could be
the most knowledgeable person inthe world, but you don't have
some of those connections thatkind of help get those things
going.
And how many people did youknow in the field when you were
younger, like in high school andthings like that, because I
know that representation is ahuge issue with any high earning
(09:25):
type career and salary.
Like I didn't know, I've neverheard of financial planning
until I started working at abank and I was like, oh, what
person in that office do?
But yeah, there was no peoplethat looked like me when I was
younger during financialplanning.
I knew one engineer.
Actually he was one of myfootball coaches when I was
younger, so that's the onlyperson I knew that did any type
(09:47):
of engineer.
And did you know people thatwere kind of in these types of
careers when you were younger?
Danny Z (09:53):
I only knew I only had one friend that was in the field
, and then, throughout time iswhen I realized another family
friend was also in tech, but itwasn't like I knew a whole lot
of people in the field and, likeyou said a lot of times,
representation is a big issueand only after time is when
(10:18):
you'll see more people in thefield.
Lucas Casarez (10:21):
Yeah, and so doing the year out was a pretty
easy just because of a lot ofthose connections and
connections that you wouldn'thave had Otherwise.
It was a pretty easy for you tokind of get it launched as soon
as Europe was wrapped up.
Danny Z (10:36):
Thankfully, it worked out.
So, like what happened was theinternship was six months long,
which is something I reallyliked, because you get to ask
your questions, you get to learnfrom everything you're doing
and talk to people in otherteams as well, not just the
direct team that I was workingon and then, towards the end of
(10:58):
my internship, when my managersaid that they wanted to convert
me, and then, thankfully, itworked out and I ended up being
hired on at the end of thatinternship.
Lucas Casarez (11:09):
And that's what internships should really be
like.
Right, like, hey, youcontribute a little bit, you're
more valuable to the employernow, they know a lot more about
you and they're willing to takethose risks on you.
And I know it doesn't alwayswork out like that for
internships, but I think that'swhat most people's hopes are.
Well, it's from the employerand the employer said that's
(11:29):
awesome, it yeah.
So right now, knock on wood.
I know from everything I knowfrom our conversations you're
safe with your position and roleright now, but there's a lot of
transitionary stuff going on intech in general.
If we're going to just use ithere umbrella tech.
Do you feel like that's thesame for your field, your nature
(11:51):
being in cybersecurity?
Is it just as scary as some ofmy software engineer clients,
people that have been gettinglaid off, headcount reductions,
things like that?
Danny Z (12:01):
Yeah, I would say it is a tough kind of environment
right now.
Thankfully, from what I've seenat my company and other
companies, cybersecurity,security, engineer roles have
been less impacted.
There has been some that I'veheard from, but thankfully it
hasn't been as widespread.
So yeah, that's what I'm seeingright now.
(12:23):
Better day is a little bit of atough environment.
Lucas Casarez (12:29):
Yeah, and that's kind of what my guess would be
too, because you guys areplaying important, vital roles,
right, lots of stuff can happen.
You see about stuff in the newsall the time, right, data
breaches, even companies thatare supposed to be like less
pass, and all these differentcompanies.
So I'm sure your job's not theeasiest.
There's always new thingscoming out new.
(12:49):
The tricky thing for you it'snot just your personal stuff
that you're worried about, it'sone single weak link, right,
employee that drops the ball.
That just kind of makes a hugevulnerability for the company.
So, yeah, I'm sure the demandfor cybersecurity experts and
even retaining them too, right,you don't want someone that
(13:11):
knows where everything is andhow to fix everything to walk
out the door.
So good to hear that.
Yeah, not kind of what thatthing's seem pretty solid in
your industry?
I think it would be.
Is the outlook for growth stillpretty high for cybersecurity
professionals?
What do you think?
Danny Z (13:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, I think it's only going to continue to
grow.
The more companies becomeinternet dependent and more
connected, I think it's going tocontinue, and then it always
evolves as well, so it's likethe learning, continuous
learning is always going to bethere.
(13:51):
So, yeah, I think the growthdefinitely is there.
Lucas Casarez (13:55):
Yeah, perfect, and yeah, I think I think most
people with ambition are like Ilike to continuously grow.
We're kind of new people and Ilike that.
They hope that everything staysthe same, they never have to
learn anything new.
But I think most of the peopleI know that are kind of
aggressively getting after yourlife like enjoy those slight
changes and kind of thoseopportunities for growth there.
(14:18):
So you've come from anon-traditional background to
break into cybersecurity.
What tips would you give tosomeone that's like thinking,
whether it's cybersecurity orjust trying to make a huge
career shift or transition, thatyou're going from construction
to cybersecurity is definitely abig change.
(14:39):
What tips do you have?
Danny Z (14:41):
Yeah, some things for people to do, I would say, is
find some kind of roadmap thatoutlines the career paths
they're interested.
So let's say they're interestedin like and they have like
three or four main interests.
Find a roadmap for those to seewhat it would look like, but
the path, the skills necessaryand what closely aligns with
(15:02):
what they like.
And then after that I would say, talk to people in those
respective fields so that theyknow what their day-to-day can
look like and also like what didthey learn to get in those
roles right?
And then if they could seethemselves doing that kind of
work, because I think anythingin tech it's their great careers
(15:24):
but it's also a lot of work toget there and so I think once
people know what some of that isinvolved, then they could see
oh yeah, this is definitelysomething that I could see
myself doing.
Lucas Casarez (15:35):
Those are awesome tips.
As far as creating a roadmap,that's kind of how I think about
financial stuff.
Right, let's you know financialroadmap, let's figure this
stuff out.
But talking to people is supervaluable because, like you wanna
know if that's not for you,because you were able to take
this quick ramp year up withthat internship and all that.
(15:58):
But that's not easy, right, I'msure most people don't want
from like college, thinking, oh,I'll just be like college,
it'll be easy, not a big deal.
I'm sure things get ramped upin any year up, trying to
squeeze you between what youdon't know, which is a lot of
(16:19):
things to figuring out enough tocontribute to a company and,
yeah, you know I'm putting a lotof hard work for sure and to
ultimately end up disliking aposition that would sink.
And so definitely putting thetime to talk to people in your
six years into your career nowIs that right?
Danny Z (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, just six years.
Lucas Casarez (16:39):
So someone that's early career, what would you
kind of give them if they werelike in their first year or two?
Like holy smokes, like I'd go,but it feels rough.
What tips would you givesomeone probably a year or two
into it?
Danny Z (16:55):
Yeah, I would say it's at first like that feeling of
like trying to catch up and likethe Compostor Syndrome.
It's super normal.
I think that's something toacknowledge.
And then from there, I wouldsay that that like learning,
that curiosity, continuouslearning, that got you there,
(17:15):
that's what's going to keep youadvancing, keep you going.
So, whether it's, you know,whether it could be once or
twice a week, just someadditional learning that you're
doing and then asking goodquestions on the job, because,
ultimately, a unique thing aboutthis field is that a lot of
(17:35):
what you learn is on the job andyou're kind of learning as
you're going.
So that's going to be key onlike seeing what's working and
then asking questions for whereto go from there.
Lucas Casarez (17:48):
Yeah, figuring it out, you know of all the
educational knowledge, but, yeah, the actual application of it
is always going to be critical,perfect, and people could stay
stagnant right in their careersand some people are happy with
that.
But I think a lot of timesyou'll see those people that
have always had the same title,always doing the same thing.
(18:11):
They don't take thoseadditional opportunities to
learn, well, what's next?
What's the thing that will keepme curious and excited a little
bit about, like, because a lotof stuff will just be repetitive
that you do on the day to day.
So if you're not getting thatthrough your work automatically,
you can search that out.
So that's an awesome tip, danny.
Well, we already talked a littlebit about cybersecurity and
(18:32):
scammers and things like that,and it's everywhere.
Like it was probably two weeksago, by the way, I thought
Amazon had called her about someexpensive thing and like I
heard from downstairs here liketalking about stuff.
She's like no, I don't want togive you my bank account or
anything.
And I ran upstairs like what'sgoing on?
And I was like no, that's notAmazon.
(18:54):
Yeah, but I was like what didyou say?
What's going on?
What passwords are you setting?
Stuff like that.
So, again, huge, huge importancewhat you do, and it's not just
from as an employee.
Right, you have to still bevigilant on your personal
standpoint, and that's a lot.
Our computers, our phones haveall of our critical stuff most
(19:16):
of the time.
Now, what tips would you givepeople to kind of protect
themselves personally, andprobably even like a lot of us
are working from home and thingslike that?
So maybe first let's start withthe personal standpoint, but
then, yeah, there might be someadditional tips that would be
slightly different from being anemployee and having your work
computer at home.
Danny Z (19:36):
Yeah, so yeah, like you said, a lot of what we have
like our data areas on eitherour laptops or phones.
So I would say, definitelyhaving some digital hygiene.
So it could be like strongpasswords, 2fa, and then two
factor authentication, and thennowadays it's kind of a new
(19:57):
thing, but both Google and Applehave something called pass keys
to where you'll register itonce.
It could be like your face oryour thumb print or something
else, and then that will be yourlogin for, let's say, your
Gmail account or other account,and then it kind of makes you
that you don't have to remembera password anymore, so somebody
(20:21):
with your password won't be ableto log in at that point, and
then it's a second factor aswell.
So things like that, I think,can make a really big difference
.
Lucas Casarez (20:31):
And so I love those things because I don't
need to remember the password.
It just scans my face.
Not everything has it, and sothose things the face scan or
fingerprint those are prettysafe.
There's no way for someone tokind of replicate those things
then.
Danny Z (20:51):
Well, there has been things that have come up in,
researchers that have replicated, either like an iris scan from
like a picture, like a 3Dpicture, and they can replicate
it.
So it has happened before.
From what I've read, it's beenlike security researchers that
have done it and I would sayit's still going to be at this
(21:16):
moment it's still going to besafer than a password.
And then at the moment thestrongest form of two-factor
authentication would be like aphysical security key, so either
like a UB key or something likethat, where you plug it into
your laptop or your phone andthen that serves as your second
factor.
The key is registered to thatwebsite.
(21:38):
So let's say it's gmailcom andthen it's registered to that
real gmailcom and only that.
So it's kind of a phishingproof way of logging in.
So I would say that aboveeverything but at the moment
face ID, touch ID, it will stillbe safe compared to like a
(21:59):
password.
Lucas Casarez (22:00):
Yeah, better than just the password and yeah,
perfect.
Yup, and when I think aboutthat stuff it makes me think of
like, the movies right whenyou're like someone cuts off the
like puts it on.
So it sounds like for the mostpart, people would have to have
pretty deep pod, get someresources to be able to
replicate the iris and all that.
(22:20):
Yeah, perfect.
So would there be anythingdifferent as an employee working
from home, as far as kind ofprotecting work stuff?
Danny Z (22:30):
I would say the delineation of, like your
personal data and work data.
So what happens a lot with theremote workforce can be once the
accounts are commingled.
Let's say they're somebody's intheir work laptop but then they
want to log into their personalemail or some other personal
(22:51):
account and their other theirpersonal laptop might be in the
same room, but for conveniencepurpose they just stay on their
work laptop.
So things like that, or viceversa, trying to log in from a
personal laptop onto their workaccounts.
So I would say things like that, when it comes to somebody,
(23:11):
someone's data is important tobe mindful about.
And then, yeah, when it comesto home networks, just having
your router properly configured,no, not to keep the default
password.
Like when somebody buys arouter, they'll have a default
password, but it tells you tochange it.
So simple things like that willgo a long way when it comes to
(23:35):
home networks.
And then, on the work side,usually employers will have like
a VPN or something else thatwill protect that side.
Lucas Casarez (23:47):
Yeah, and that's the last thing you want to do is
like, hey, I logged into workstuff on my personal computer
and this happened, and you getstuff reset and then like all of
a sudden, your work has to knowthat you messed up on your
first side of things.
So yeah, you can separate it.
There'd be one way to havethese avoid some of that.
Danny Z (24:05):
Yeah, that will definitely help.
And then companies are going inthe direction of like making
that, putting security controlsto where that can't happen, but
it has happened before wherethey get co-mingled.
Lucas Casarez (24:21):
Yeah, yeah and that's.
I've had an employee at anintern a year ago.
But my biggest fear with hiringsomeone I'm totally virtual,
100% workable, and like I dealwith people so security numbers,
bank account, financial stuff,and like I don't really trust
(24:42):
other people to take care ofstuff or be as like freaked out
and paranoid about system hacksand stuff and so eventually when
I start hiring people out, I'mgoing to have to either hire you
as a consultant or see whoyou'd recommend where I can make
sure that other computer getslied down as best as I can.
So allow them to work, but yeah, don't let them do personal
(25:03):
stuff.
I want to limit the risk asmuch as possible.
Danny Z (25:08):
Yeah, definitely, especially with that kind of
information.
Lucas Casarez (25:11):
All right, so I appreciate you coming on, Danny,
I know one of the things that'simportant to you is just
encouraging people and helpingpeople kind of figure out how to
break into cybersecurity ortech, whatever it is.
You have some resources thatyou shared with me that I'm
going to put in the show notesthat we can share.
But yeah, anything else youwant to say before we sign off
(25:35):
today?
Danny Z (25:37):
Just for everybody that's interested in the
cybersecurity path and even techin general, like I would
definitely recommend to keepgoing and, yeah, they can reach
out as well for any additionalhelp.
Lucas Casarez (25:50):
Yeah, perfect, and so the keep going aspects.
I think it's important and thismight not have been the case
for you, but was there a pointin this process where, like, oh
man, this does not seem likeit's worth it or I'm not going
to make it?
Did you ever kind of have thatimposter syndrome or like, yeah,
maybe they say for me.
Did that happen to you kind ofalong the course of your journey
(26:13):
?
Danny Z (26:14):
Oh yeah, that happened to win, like one of the projects
that I was working on duringthe schooling and then during
internship as well.
There's a moment where, like Isaid, internally, you just don't
think that you, that you can doit, and or that the task is too
, too large.
So that's definitely, itdefinitely happened.
(26:37):
And having to like sit down andthink it through to know, like,
how far you've made it and thatyou just have to keep going.
Lucas Casarez (26:48):
You know, yeah, exactly, and so that's what
praying that I thought is.
When you said keep going, I waslike man, that's people like
Danny's coming from somewhere,get a tome something at some
point.
So, yeah, I really appreciateyou sharing that, because I
think a lot of people don'tshare those things.
Right, like I almost quit,almost tapped out.
And what we don't realize isand I've been open about this
(27:09):
with my business it was likealmost tapped out with my
business, just went and joinedanother person made.
It would have been so easy and Idefinitely thought about it
long and hard but I chose not toand all of a sudden, like
everything's got really good,really easy compared to what it
was before.
And so I feel like for a lot ofus, these moments of like about
to tap out, about to give up,is Like right before he hit,
(27:31):
like another breakthrough, andit's like, oh, dang, this, this
is nice.
I'm glad I didn't give up.
You're six years into it, right?
So you've had a lot of momentswhere it's like You're, you're
pretty happy with what's takingwith it and not giving up.
Danny Z (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
And thinking back in thosemoments like for sure, it's,
it's crazy to think like the thefeelings at that time, and then
like just we were able to getthrough.
Lucas Casarez (27:57):
Yeah, I've been.
You mentioned kind of reachingout to people.
Another benefit of that is likehey, you can lean on them, they
can kind of talk you off theledge.
Talking to these, you don'talways have to just be like the
only only person in your head.
Reach out, reach out to Danny,start to build your community,
especially if you're early inyour career, because even if
things are going good for youright now, the things change
(28:20):
constantly.
The economy is always changing,businesses are changing.
Strong companies are alwaysdoing funky things and doing
things that maybe don't reflect,like, hey, this, why is this
strong company?
You, you're laying off peopleand you want people like Danny
and other people on your side tobe like, hey, I know who you
are, I know what your work ethicis and and, yeah, let's, let's
(28:41):
help you find that nextopportunity, because we know
that you'll be awesome whereveryou go.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, well, thanks for comingout today, danny.
Thank you, thank you Lucas.
Thank you so much for listeningto techy personal finance
bootcamp.
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planning calm and finding thepodcast page.
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