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September 24, 2025 53 mins

In this episode of TechMagic, host Lee Kebler is joined by Nic Hill, co-founder and Chief Innovation Officer of Sawhorse Productions, to explore the latest tech developments shaping our digital world. Together, they break down Meta Connect’s memorable moments and mobile-first pivot with Horizon Worlds, Intel’s surprising $5B partnership with NVIDIA, and Lee’s first-hand experience with Waymo’s autonomous vehicles. The discussion also covers TikTok’s potential acquisition by Oracle and the future of AR glasses and spatial computing. With insider insights and thoughtful analysis, Lee and Nic unpack how legacy tech companies are navigating rapid innovation, offering a must-listen guide for tech enthusiasts and professionals alike. Cathy is away this week and will rejoin the show next week.


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Lee Kebler Bio:

Lee has been at the forefront of blending technology and entertainment since 2003, creating advanced studios for icons like Will.i.am and producing music for Britney Spears and Big & Rich. Pioneering in VR since 2016, he has managed enterprise data at Nike, led VR broadcasting for Intel at the Japan 2020 Olympics, and driven large-scale marketing campaigns for Walmart, Levi’s, and Nasdaq. A TEDx speaker on enterprise VR, Lee is currently authoring a book on generative AI and delving into splinternet theory and data privacy as new tech laws unfold across the US.

Lee Kebler on LinkedIn


Nic Hill Bio:

Nic Hill is the Co-Founder and Chief Innovation Officer at Sawhorse Productions, a full-service production and post house specialising in branded content, commercials, and scripted and non-scripted shows. With over 12 years of experience, Nic has assembled a talented team of experts in video production, editing, and comedy. Passionate about immersive metaverse experiences that blur the line between film and gaming, he delivers innovative content for leading brands, studios, and agencies worldwide. Previously, Nic worked as an independent film director and editor, creating internationally acclaimed documentaries. Based in Los Angeles, he enjoys DJing, biking, and family time.


Nic Hill on LinkedIn



Key Discussion Topics:


  • 00:00 Intro & Welcome from LA
  • 05:31 Inside MetaConnect: A Front Row Perspective
  • 08:15 Meta's Smart Glasses Evolution & Design Strategy
  • 21:27 Horizon Worlds' Mobile-First Transformation
  • 33:35 First-Hand Experience with Waymo's Self-Driving Cars
  • 40:45 NVIDIA's $5B Investment in Intel: Gaming's Future
  • 44:30 Oracle's TikTok Acquisition & Social Media Shifts
  • 51:25 The Smart Glasses Arms Race: Amazon & OpenAI Enter
  • 55:31 Final Thoughts: Alien Earth & AI Evolution



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