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Explore the rapidly shifting sands of the tech world with us as we uncover the latest buzz, including a bold move by Amazon and Meta to curry favor with the Trump administration through hefty donations. What does this mean for the future of tech-political relations? We also take a lighthearted yet cautionary look at phishing and scam emails, offering tips to shield yourself from digital trickery. Plus, discover how Amazon's partnership with Hyundai might just change the way you shop for cars forever, making buying a vehicle as easy as adding to your online cart.

We shift our focus to the competitive dynamics among social media and e-commerce giants like Twitter, Meta, and TikTok. With tensions simmering in the political arena, we share insights into how these platforms are maneuvering amidst the pressure. Our crystal ball takes us to CES 2025, where rumors of SteamOS-powered gadgets could shake up the handheld gaming scene, potentially challenging Nintendo's dominance. And let’s not forget a nostalgic trip down BlackBerry lane as we reminisce about the tactile joy of their keyboards, craving their return to modern devices.

Laugh with us as we share some of the most absurd scam emails we've encountered, from NFT phishing ploys to dubious insurance offers. Each tale comes with a lesson in spotting red flags and staying scam-free. Meanwhile, we tackle the insufficiencies of the CanSpam Act and its struggle to keep up with today's tech landscape. Lastly, we reflect on the cyber attack on Krispy Kreme and what it signals for the future of cybersecurity amidst a backdrop of unlikely alliances forming among tech titans. Grab a whiskey and join us for a rollercoaster of insights, humor, and a touch of nostalgia.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Welcome everyone.
Let's start today's show.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm (01:36):
All right, mike, buckle up.
We got a thrilling show aheadof us today.
Today, we're diving into someof the hottest top technology
news that you don't want to miss.
First off, there's a majorevent on the hottest top
technology news that you don'twant to miss.
First off, there's a majorevent on the horizon that can
bring some game-changingannouncement.
Could a new player be enteringthe handheld game arena?
Stay tuned to find out more.
And in the world of socialmedia, a popular app is facing a

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momental legal challenge.
Momentous maybe, well,momentous, it's a big challenge.

Ody (02:06):
What could this?

Nathan Mumm (02:06):
mean for millions of users.
We're going to give you thescoop on this and, in a
surprising twist, two techgiants are making headlines with
their latest moves in politicalsphere.
What are they up to now?
We're going to break that downfor you.
And, on our main feature today,we're going to keep you safe
online.
We'll unravel the mysteries ofphishing and scam emails in our
segment letters.
Learn how to spot those sneakythreats and protect yourself

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from online scams.
Finally, there's a newpartnership in automotive
industry that's going to set torevolutionize how we buy cars
and maybe return them.
What does this mean for thefuture of car shopping?
Now, in addition, we have ourstandard features, including
Mike's mesmerizing moment, ourtechnology fail of the week, a
possible Nathan I get and, ofcourse, our pick of the day
whiskey tasting to see if ourselected whiskey pick is zero,

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one or two thumbs up at the endof the show.
But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm (03:03):
All right Story.
Number one Amazon and Meta areboth donating $1 million to
Donald Trump's inauguration fund.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Let's go to Crenn, westland for more on this story.
Amazon and Meta, seeking to getin Donald Trump's good graces,
are each giving $1 million tothe president-elect's
inauguration fund.
Trump has previously lashed outat both Meta and Amazon, among
other big tech companies, andthe donations by the two massive
internet corporations are seenas efforts to curry favor with
the incoming administration.
Amazon, in addition to the $1million cash donation to the

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fund, will live stream Trump'sinauguration on Prime Video,
which represents an in-kinddonation valued at one million
dollars.
Now, meta's ceo, markzuckerberg, personally directed
his company to make the onemillion dollar donation to the
trump inaugural fund back to youguys in the studio all right.

Nathan Mumm (03:59):
So let's talk about this.
This is very interesting, right?
So so donald trump, his firstcampaign, uh, that he had.
He is pretty anti-meta andpretty anti-amazon, right?
He's anti-everybody, so he is.
So now, all of a sudden, out ofthe blue bezos who owns the
washington post, two weeksbefore the election, ordered the

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paper not to endorse apresidential candidate, arguing
that the practice creates aperception of bias, which I
guess that's a good thing to do.
You don't want to have anewspaper saying it's not a
perception, okay.
And then Trump seems to have alot of energy about reducing
regulations and Bezos now hascome on the record and said if I
can help him do that, I'm goingto help him.

Mike Gorday (04:42):
On top of that.

Nathan Mumm (04:44):
November 27, zuckerberg, who hates Trump he
has just bashed him decided totravel to Trump's Mar-a-Lago
estate in Florida to dine withthe president-elect Met.
A spokesperson said in astatement.
It's an important time for thefuture of American innovation.
Mark said that he was gratefulfor the invitation to join
President Trump for dinner andthe opportunity to meet with

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members of his team about theincoming administration.
All right, so what the heck isgoing on here?

Mike Gorday (05:13):
So I don't know, I don't.
I don't think this is a whatthe heck is going on here.
I think this is a.
We better get our butts in gear.
We're going to get cremated.
Is that what it is?
Because Twitter or X orwhatever, or Meta Space or
Facebook?
We better get our butts in gearor we're going to get cremated.

Nathan Mumm (05:25):
Is that what it is On Twitter, or X or whatever, or
Metaspace or Facebook?
True.

Mike Gorday (05:29):
Social or whatever.

Nathan Mumm (05:30):
So I just find it funny because these are like two
of the biggest, I would sayenemies.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
A bunch of the yeah, there's awhole bunch of people that are
all of a sudden deciding thatthey want to pony up and be a
part.
So it's very interestingbecause we have another story

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that we're going to be talkingabout regarding another social
media company that's in trouble,and that media company that's
in trouble I'm going to kind ofspoil our story.
Upcoming here, of course, isTikTok.
To kind of spoil our story.
Upcoming here, of course, istiktok, and trump came on out
just a couple years ago sayingthat he loves having tiktok be a
competitor to meta and all uhthe other forces that are out

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there.
So this is just kind of a who'swho playground of tech
companies that shouldn't begetting political.
This should be staying exactly,just providing a social media
aspect, now deciding thatthey're going to want to get
into this uh uh administrationand work with them, or not work
with them, I don't know.
This is the Elon Musk effectthat, since he's been having

(06:32):
conversations with them, thatthey all want to join to the
table too.
Is that what you think?

Mike Gorday (06:38):
I'm sure there is a competitive piece of that,
because Elon has become thisweird connected piece to the
Trump campaign.

Speaker 6 (06:46):
Yeah.

Mike Gorday (06:47):
And I'm sure the other two are just slobbering
over themselves going, oh crap,we need to.
We need to step up our gamesbecause Elon's got to jump on us
.

Nathan Mumm (06:56):
OK, that's exactly what I think too, so it's a real
false.
It's that false sense of hey,let's be buddies, right, all
right, well, story number two.
I got lots of questions on this.
This is, uh, this is I can't Idon't know, amazing but not
really, I guess, amazing okay.

Mike Gorday (07:10):
Well, I don't know why, but uh, we know that amazon
you can get pretty muchanything on amazon.
We can get books and clothesand toys and groceries and you
can get, uh, prescription drugs.
Now you can get automobileswhat?

Nathan Mumm (07:27):
Tell me more what's going on here.

Mike Gorday (07:28):
Starting today, for the first time, you can buy a
car on Amazon.
The catch is that same-daydelivery is not guaranteed.

Nathan Mumm (07:37):
So, even if I don't put it in my prime, it's not a
two-hour delivery or a four-hourdelivery.

Mike Gorday (07:41):
Who knows the e-commerce giant's first foray
in the car shopping is calledamazon auto companies,
partnering with hyundai dealersin 48 cities in the us to list
vehicles on the site.
Customers can browse, order,find financing and arrange
delivery, all within thefamiliar confines of amazon's
online ecosystem.

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Of course, if you're lookingfor anything other than a
hyundai, you're out of luck fornow, because that's the only
cars available okay, well, so doyou think that's going to be
the only car available?
probably not, right well, I'msure this is just a test to see
if it's going to work out, andif it does, you'll see all kinds
of different things appearingon there.

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All right, the amazon auto uhhyundai has become the exclusive
launch partner and you knowthey're they're looking, they're
looking to uh expand that if itworks out okay.
And of course you know theeffort is trying to bring the
simplicity and ease of customersexpecting amazon to get them

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the things they want to get.
So do you think that would beeasier?

Nathan Mumm (08:51):
buying a car on amazon than it would be going to
a dealership.
Well, because there's alreadyonline companies.

Mike Gorday (08:56):
Yeah, that's right yeah, obviously, amazon is
taking cues from places likecarvana and Carscom and they're
saying, okay, we can totally dothis, so let's see what it does.
Amazon first announced its planto get into the car-buying
business last year.
Previously, customers couldbrowse car showrooms and compare

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prices on Amazon, but notactually buy a car.
With this partnership withHyundai, amazon has finally
added a key piece of the puzzleTrade-ins will also be accepted
through Amazon's new carvertical.
Customers will have to answer aseries of questions about the
conditions of the vehicle, afterwhich the request will be
processed by an independentvaluation service to determine

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the value of the trade-in whichis a car salesman.

Nathan Mumm (09:45):
Okay, is that a nicer new way of saying it?

Mike Gorday (09:48):
That's what a car salesman does.
Okay.
Amazon's deal with Hyundaineatly sidesteps this issue by
ensuring that dealers remain acrucial part of the process.
Most dealers allow customers tobrowse and buy a car through
their own websites, but havingAmazon as an additional platform
with millions of dailycustomers sure to help make the
process even easier All right?

Nathan Mumm (10:11):
so in our pre-show meeting here, odie had a
question here, right?
So you're going to ask thequestion.
You got to ask that questionbecause that was hilarious.
What are you going?

Ody (10:20):
to.
I mean with this in mind if youdon't like it, does that mean
you get to return it to a WholeFoods or a Kohl's?

Nathan Mumm (10:26):
Yeah, where would?

Ody (10:28):
you go and return this car .

Nathan Mumm (10:30):
Just think about it .

Mike Gorday (10:32):
That's a good question.
I don't know.

Nathan Mumm (10:34):
For 30 days.

Mike Gorday (10:36):
I think if you want to give it back, you can just
show up to a Whole Foods.
Just drop it off and throw thekeys in.

Ody (10:43):
Scan the QR code.

Mike Gorday (10:45):
Sorry, we don't want this anymore.
Do you get a 30 day return onthat sale?
What's that?
I don't even know how thatwould work, because Amazon's
return policy is like supersimple, but until you try it.

Nathan Mumm (11:02):
Yeah, that is true.

Mike Gorday (11:03):
And then it's like, it's like some ask another
question.
You're in you're in some sortof swamp of of oblivion you
can't get out of yep yep, butalso.

Ody (11:14):
Does that mean I basically get to you know?
Try a car for 30 days try a carfor 30 days and be like yeah,
you know, run it up on miles, sowhat?
If you like the car for a bitand then all of a sudden you
start having problems do youturn it back in on, on, on the?

Nathan Mumm (11:22):
So what if you like the car for a bit and then all
of a sudden you start havingproblems?
Do you turn it back in on thedate, or do you do what people
do and then you order the sameexact car four months later and
then you just return the car atthe other?

Ody (11:34):
time.
What's stopping people fromdoing that?
I don't know.

Mike Gorday (11:37):
They'll probably be like nope sorry.

Nathan Mumm (11:40):
Do you get salespeople to come on out to
you?
Because?
Do you get salespeople to comeon out to you?
Because I kind of like goingwhen I buy my vehicle that
sleazy Well.

Mike Gorday (11:46):
I shouldn't say sleazy, no, they're sleazy that
nice, they're sleazy, okay,sleazy, yeah, okay.

Nathan Mumm (11:51):
The sales guy that I'm trying to buy this one
vehicle and then all of a suddenhe just wants me to buy this
other vehicle down the lot,right?
He's like, oh no, you, no, Idon't need a Jeep, I want to be
in this.

Mike Gorday (12:01):
That's because there's a bigger profit margin
on the car you want to buy.
Is that what it is?
Yep, exactly what it is.
Okay, that's exactly what it is, all right.
Well, you know what the firstrule of car sales is?
What?
The customer doesn't know whatthey want until you tell them.
Is that really that's right?

Nathan Mumm (12:26):
Okay, all right, we'll go on to story number
three.
Lenovo might soon announce asteam os handheld valve,
revealed earlier this year thatit will support the rog ally
handheld with its steam deckoperating system, and now it
looks like lenovo.
You know lenovo, lenovo youknow that's the big computer
company will soon have its ownsteam os handheld too.
Pc makers like Lenovo, asus,msi have opted into a

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Windows-based handheld so far,but as consumer patience with
Windows on tiny screens wearsthin and Microsoft progress on
improving the experience is slow, it seems that OEMs are looking
for a better alternative.
Lenovo's potential entry intothe SteamOS handheld comes just
days after Valve quietly updateda document with new branding
guidelines that include poweredby SteamOS handheld comes just
days after Valve quietly updateda document with new branding
guidelines that include poweredby SteamOS hardware.

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This suggests a sign that yetthe Valve is working with more
third-party manufacturers beyondAsus to certify devices for
SteamOS.
Valve has been here before,though, as CES 2013 had tried to
tempt PC manufacturers to signinto its Steam Machine
initiative, but didn't get farenough.
The reason to believe that thistime things will be different is

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thanks to Proton.
The Steam Deck uses Protonsoftware capability layers that
have already been proven withmany Windows games.
Now I have a Steam Deck myself.
You have a Steam Deck, I havethe Steam Deck, steam Deck, so I
have the Valve-issued SteamDeck.
Ces 2025 is just weeks away.
I will make a prediction rightnow which isn't really a

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prediction, because I have someinsider news on this that there
is going to be moreSteamOS-powered hardware that
will be announced at CES 2025.
And I believe Lenovo becausetheir marketing team didn't do a
very good job and all theirstuff was shipped to ces ahead
of time and somebody opened abig box it's going to have one
of these devices available therealso.

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Now you don't have a steampowered hardware device, would
you buy a lenovo version if itwas a little bit cheaper?
I like my steam deck a lot.

Mike Gorday (14:19):
You know, probably not okay I mean I, I have my.
Do you play all?

Nathan Mumm (14:24):
your Steam stuff on your computer.

Ody (14:25):
Yeah, okay, how much is a Steam Deck?

Nathan Mumm (14:27):
So Steam Decks right now in the secondary
market you can get them all theway down for $249.
When they come on out normallythey're about 400 bucks, so it's
right at the same price as youwould get a.
Switch or a PlayStation Slimlinedevice.
That's available there, so it'sstill available at the same
price.

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I am excited, though I thinkSteamOS powered hardware may be
a wave of the future.
I think these are going to be Ithink they're going to be three
or four providers out there,and if you can play your Steam
games on a nice device, I thinkthat really makes Nintendo have
to step up a bit, because Steamgames are 99 cents.

Mike Gorday (15:04):
Why Nintendo?
What why Nintendo?
What why Nintendo?

Nathan Mumm (15:08):
Well, because Nintendo's the other portable
right.
Well, you've got.

Ody (15:12):
Also, they've kind of dropped the ball lately.

Nathan Mumm (15:14):
Nintendo is Nintendo is so.
They're just so they can justdo what they want.
They're just in their own space.
They can be late on something,they cannot release any new
product and then, when theydecide to release some new games
and new products, they'll sellmillions of units and make tons
of money.
It's the only company that I'veever seen in the gaming world.

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They're the Apple of gaming.
They are.

Ody (15:37):
Yeah, they are.

Nathan Mumm (15:38):
They have the ability to do that, all right.
Story number four TikTok losesappeal to delay ban.
The clock is ticking onTikTok's attempt to delay an
impending ban on the UnitedStates, and its latest bid for
more time was rejected by anappeals court last Friday.
Lawyers for the video sharingapp have requested a temporary

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pause to petition the SupremeCourt and incoming presidential
administration.
See, I was talking about this,but a three judge panel denied
this request.
The app faces a U S ban ofparent company.
Byte dance does not sell it byJanuary 19th.
Also on Friday, lawmakers sentletters to Apple and Google
executives instructing them toprepare to remove tick tock from

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their app stores.
So so, so, so here's our socialmedia, the quandary right.
So Trump was like I love TikTokbecause it lets Meta have
competition.
Meta, all of a sudden, isjumping on up saying hey, we
love you, now, newpresident-elect, so we're going
to give you this money, we'regoing to give you this money.
Other people are doing that too.
Does that mean all of a sudden,the president says well, geez,

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now I don't like TikTok and nowI think TikTok's bad and I
changed my mind because thesepeople are giving me stuff.
I have said passionately that Ibelieve TikTok should be able
to be used, should be able to becompetitive in the American
market, because that keeps theAmerican market not having a
monopoly.

Mike Gorday (17:03):
Despite all the warnings that you get from
experts.

Nathan Mumm (17:06):
Yeah, so we all know Nick Espinosa is really
anti-TikTok, isn't he?
I mean if there's somebodyanti-anything, it's him.
I get that there are securityrisks, but man, I just I
struggle with having just onecompany or two companies in the
United States control all thatdata.

Mike Gorday (17:23):
Well, you know, it would be nice if we could just
get rid of all of them.
Social media life would bebetter.

Nathan Mumm (17:30):
That's just you know what I I'll have to talk.
Hopefully I get to my nathanthat he's gonna be talking about
tactical keyboards.
You remember the old blackberrykeyboards?

Mike Gorday (17:39):
yeah, you bring up blackberries a lot.
You're kind of stuck on black,I am so.

Nathan Mumm (17:44):
I've been on a hunt to find a tactical keyboard.
You know they were great, theywere.

Ody (17:47):
You know, I wish I had a BlackBerry growing up.

Mike Gorday (17:50):
You weren't even alive when the BlackBerry came
out were you, I was my dad hadone, you were like two years old
, right?

Nathan Mumm (17:59):
No, no, well, that so the tactic.
Remember the tactical keyboard.
I cannot type.
I misspell so many times.

Ody (18:06):
You misspell regardless.

Nathan Mumm (18:07):
Well, no, no, no, no.
When I had my Blackberry, I waslike the killer.
You misspell soup.
Okay, all right.
Well, all right, we'll continueon.
That ends our top technologystories of the week.
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Nathan Mumm (19:34):
Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without any
political agenda.
We verify the facts and we doit with a sense of humor, in
less than 60 minutes and, ofcourse, a little whiskey on the
side.
Today, regoire, a whiskeyconnoisseur, is away for the
holiday, so odio is taking hisplace in the studio.
Odio, odio, odio.

(19:55):
What have you chosen for ustoday?

Ody (19:56):
hello, okay.
So today we're drinking thekurayoshi 12 year old pure malt
whiskey from Matsui's website.
The name of the newestdistillery, the Kuriyoshi
Distillery, is a new wind inwhiskey.
The 12-year-old pure maltwhiskey has the aroma of nuts

(20:17):
and almonds, followed by a richmalt flavor with hints of
vanilla and raisins and a faintsmoky flavor.

Nathan Mumm (20:24):
I taste the smoky.

Ody (20:27):
This vintage has the perfect balance with the
sweetness, bitterness andacidity.
Here are the stats.

Nathan Mumm (20:32):
Okay.

Ody (20:32):
The company is Matsui Shuzo.
Distillation is KiriyoshiDistillery in Totori, prefecture
, japan.
Classification is Japanesewhiskey, age 12 years, 43% AB
and 86 86 proof okay uh, themash bill is 100 malta barley

(20:52):
and it goes for 82 or 115 in theus okay, all right.

Nathan Mumm (21:00):
What do you think of this?

Mike Gorday (21:00):
so far, mike are you liking this?
We'll see.
I'm not sure yet.

Nathan Mumm (21:06):
You're not sure yet .
No, so this was on our Japanesetrip.
We actually bought this whiskeyand this was behind the counter
lock security item.
For this whiskey itself, I hadto show them passport ID, a
bunch of stuff.
So this is like the newhigh--end whiskey.
They had a couple of these injapan in japan, in japan, and it

(21:28):
does have a uh, unique,different taste though it does I
I don't know if I I'm liking itor not liking it.
We'll see how it, maybe if itairs out a little bit, I guess
we'll see.

Ody (21:39):
Okay, please remember to like and subscribe.
In addition, comment and let usknow if you have a whiskey you
would like us to review Drinkresponsibly.
Remember heaven can wait.

Nathan Mumm (21:48):
That's right, and if you have a whiskey you want
on the show, let us know.
We have been on for going onfive years now, our show and we
have not ran out of whiskey, andI keep on looking at the
whiskey selections that arethere, mike and I think we're
going to have a gazillion morethat are available there.
Mike and I think we're going tohave a gazillion more that are
available.
All right, with our firstwhiskey tasting complete, let's
move on to our feature segment.

(22:08):
Today we're bringing back thefunny and informative reading of
emails that I've receivedduring the week.
This includes scam, phishingemails and all-out mistruths
disguised as legitimate emailsin a segment we like to call
Letters all right you know we'regoing to start with mike, and

(22:36):
then we're going to go to od andthen we'll come back to me and
see what we got.
We got a bunch of differentareas that we have here.
So, uh, mike, which one are yougoing to start out with?
You've got a couple of funnyones there.

Mike Gorday (22:46):
I think I'll start out with the NFT one, because
everybody loves NFTs.

Nathan Mumm (22:50):
Oh well, what's going on in the NFT world?

Mike Gorday (22:53):
Well, exciting news .
Okay, according according tothis email.
All right, your nft has anoffer of 1.3 eth.
Ethereum okay, ethereum okay.

Nathan Mumm (23:07):
Uh, well, that's really that's pretty much it,
that's all that's what it says.

Mike Gorday (23:11):
It says you received an offer of 1.3 eth for
one of your nfts.
Check out the details on ourplatform and see if you'd like
to accept the offer, and then ithas a tab to connect your
wallet all right.

Nathan Mumm (23:23):
So so one ethereum right now is transferring for
three thousand eight hundred andfifty seven dollars.

Mike Gorday (23:29):
So we have one point, so one point three.
So you got like almost five,three thousand to five thousand
dollars, right?

Nathan Mumm (23:35):
okay, they're gonna offer for our nft.
Now that that's a great offer.
That must must have been an NFTthat you drew on the air.
I'm sure it was, because that'sthe NFT that we posted on our
OpenSea that you can buy aTechTime Radio NFT for All right
, so that sounds like a greatdeal.
I would be excited to open thatup and share that with you, and
then we can have a greatChristmas.

Mike Gorday (23:57):
Uh-huh, you know where this is from.

Nathan Mumm (23:59):
What's the email from?
It's got to be from a reputableemail.

Mike Gorday (24:02):
Sure If it's no-reply-touristapp at
sendtouristapp.
On behalf of Magic Eden, quoteno reply at touristapp.

Nathan Mumm (24:15):
Touristapp.
Okay, so touristapp.
So they must know a lot aboutNFfts, right?

Mike Gorday (24:21):
well, I don't know I don't follow this okay well,
I've never heard of touristapp,isn't it?

Nathan Mumm (24:26):
it's a hustle.
It's a hustle, so there's alink on there.
What happens when you click onthe link I got?
I got the page behind there.
Do you have the page behindthere to show what happens?

Mike Gorday (24:34):
all right.
So then you go to a sub page.
So you you had to.
Did you have to connect yourwallet, or did you just have to
punch that button?
So I hit the button and then itgoes to this new screen Okay.
So it says someone has made anoffer on one of your listings.
Ensure you're connected to viewthe details.
It has connect wallet again,okay, and then it has six NFTs.

Nathan Mumm (24:59):
That are listed down there that are listed.
Okay, so I think that's supposedto be that, like those were the
latest sales that they thatthey had available.
So I click on again so this, soit sends you one link to this
link and then there's anotherconnect your wallet.
So then the connect your wallet.
You click on that link and thenall of a sudden guess what pops
up we're having problems withour wallet connection at this

(25:20):
time.
Please stay on the line,because we'll have somebody come
on in to chat with you.
And they put you into a chatwindow, right.
So all of a sudden, I had Tonydecided to come on T-O-N-I so I
get a unique way to spell Tony,I guess.
So Tony decided to come onlineand was able to help me.
I said, well, I was not able toget the wallet to connect.

(25:42):
He said, well, that's all right, you know what, let me help you
and I can do it manually.
What do you have your wallet atcurrently?
I said, well, I have my walletcurrently on cryptocom, so
that's where I have it orCoinbase.
And he's like, well, you knowwhat?
How about you let me screenshare so I can come on in and I
can help you connect so that youcan get paid immediately with

(26:03):
Coinbase.
Yeah, that sounds like a goodidea, so then he sent me a link.

Mike Gorday (26:07):
That sounds like the beekeeper.

Nathan Mumm (26:08):
Yeah, exactly, the beekeeper is a great movie to
watch.
So all of a sudden he sends methis link to connect and I said
well, I don't know how toconnect a PC.

Mike Gorday (26:17):
I got this.
Did you start doing the old guy?

Nathan Mumm (26:19):
thing yeah, I don't know how to do this, I don't
know how to do this, and then Istill don't get it.
So then, about 15 minutes intothat, the individual swears at
me that must be the way thatthey just love to end their
conversation Swears at me, thendisconnects and was not able to
help me?

Mike Gorday (26:33):
No, they're absolutely.
You know, you're frustratingthem and they don't have any
time to.

Nathan Mumm (26:39):
They're trying to scam me.
They're trying to scam me andthey don't have the time to scam
me out of my money, so I'veinconvenienced them.

Mike Gorday (26:47):
Yeah, that's exactly right.
That's what we used to do totelemarketers.
We'd keep a telemarketer on thephone until they got ticked off
and swear at us and hang up.
So what do we learn?

Nathan Mumm (26:58):
from this.
We shouldn't click on the links.
And if somebody's gonna ask usfor support and we do not know
who they are, do not give themaccess to your computer.
They can tell you they're frommicrosoft, they're from anywhere
to help you.
Do not give access, becausethere are tools out there or you
can give access to, and thenthey can just take over your
whole machine.

Mike Gorday (27:15):
That's right, or yeah, you can do all that, yeah,
and get all your money stolen,okay well, that's how about that
?
Okay, so we let's, let's, let'stalk about the positives here,
if you want to you know if youwant to, if you want to get, if
you want to really want to getinto this stuff you know, just
say yes to everybody.
There's a movie like okay, justsay yes, just say yes.

(27:37):
Yeah, I kind of like this newassistant for the rest of the
day.

Nathan Mumm (27:40):
It's gonna be about positive.

Mike Gorday (27:41):
We're just gonna sure we're not gonna talk about
any negative positive yeah, justsay yes to the guy and give
them remote control of your,because you know you're gonna
click on the links anyway, okayall right, let's move on click
on the links.

Nathan Mumm (27:55):
All right, odia, you're up next.
She was too busy laughing.

Mike Gorday (28:00):
She was laughing.

Ody (28:02):
Okay, you've got an email from Nail Okay.
Inforoho at vnzzfind mess nme.

Nathan Mumm (28:13):
Oh, it sounds very legit.

Ody (28:15):
On behalf of Provide Insurance Quick Auto Inns.
Okay, all right.

Nathan Mumm (28:20):
Oh, so this is going to Do.

Ody (28:21):
you know what?

Nathan Mumm (28:21):
I bet you this is exciting because they're
probably going to try to help.
This is going to save me somuch money.
Oh, they're going to save me.
Oh, tell me more.

Ody (28:26):
Save up to $610 a year oh.

Nathan Mumm (28:28):
Check your availability in the subject line
.

Ody (28:31):
Okay, Auto coverage may be cheaper rate, you know, and it
has a little button with yourzip code.
Finding the right autoinsurance used to be a hassle,
but with Provide Insurance it'snever been easier.
In just a few minutes we couldhelp contact you with top-rated
couriers.
Let us find the perfect policyfor you with confidence, so

(28:52):
you're fully protected withoutbreaking the bank.

Nathan Mumm (28:54):
Okay, so they have these links that I can type in
my zip code, right?

Ody (28:58):
Yeah, there's a zip code link, and then there's a big
start here button.

Nathan Mumm (29:04):
So guess what happens when you click on the
start here.

Ody (29:07):
It takes you to a random site.

Nathan Mumm (29:08):
So it takes you to a page and it wants to know all
about my existing insurancebecause it wants to save me
money.

Ody (29:13):
Right $620 a year.

Nathan Mumm (29:14):
Yeah, so the question error first off was way
too complicated, because theywant to know what my information
is of, what I'm paying, who Ihave my policy number, why I
want to know my checking account.
Oh wow, so it is literallyabout 60 questions and answers

(29:34):
that I need to fill out and it'sinteresting.

Ody (29:36):
That's not quick and easy.

Nathan Mumm (29:37):
That's not quick and easy.

Ody (29:38):
That's the first line.

Nathan Mumm (29:39):
And this company must be saving money because I
went to a google forms to fillthis all out.
So when you, when you, go to afree google's form, and it's got
their logo there, though, so Iwas like, well, that must be
legit google form though.
So it's a google form that theywere collecting all this
information for, so I startedfilling it out with a bunch of
stuff that was incorrect, and Ialways put like fake social

(30:01):
security numbers.
So poor people they areprobably.
It's probably a real socialsecurity number of somebody that
I use, but that's okay.
So I put it out there and thenI clicked send and then they
said that they would contact meback immediately, and so I did
get a phone call.
So I'm like a chat message.
So I do put my real phone numberin there.
This is his old Blackberry, notmy old Blackberry, it's

(30:24):
actually my iPhone.
So I put it in there.
And then I got a call.
It was kind of difficult tohear the individual.
He had a very heavy accent,sounded like he was in a call
center and he did not have thesame company name for the
insurance.
But at least he knew that hewas trying to sell me insurance,
that he could help me out.
And so I said thank you so much.
How are you doing?
And then he said well, I'mlooking through this application

(30:46):
I don't have.
So he clearly got the actualapplication.
They submitted it on Googleforms.
He knew a bunch of theinformation and he said well,
sir, I can't help you.
I've never heard of the name ofthe insurance company.
And so I did vernon fonk as mythe one that I do, and he had
never heard of that.
I said well, don't you know?
You honk when you drive byvernon fonk?
And the guy is like what theheck are you talking about?

(31:07):
So we talked for about 10 to 15minutes.
I was a lot more engaged.

Mike Gorday (31:14):
Did he not successfully save you 612?

Nathan Mumm (31:17):
but he knew he did not swear at me when he left.
He just said sorry, sir, weprobably can't save you any612?
.
No, but he did not swear at mewhen he left.
He just said sorry, sir, weprobably can't save you any
money and continued on.

Mike Gorday (31:23):
Is it possible that this was a legit sales?

Nathan Mumm (31:27):
thing I doubt it.
You know what it could havebeen, what?

Ody (31:31):
kind of company is inforojo at vnzzfind at mess?

Nathan Mumm (31:38):
I don't think it is .
I don't think it is.
I don't think it was.

Mike Gorday (31:41):
I don't know, I don't think it was.

Nathan Mumm (31:43):
And again, you should not be filling out a
Google form if you're trying toget your insurance changed.

Ody (31:47):
Exactly.

Nathan Mumm (31:47):
So that should be the first note If you're going
to a free form that's availablefor everybody without any real
information.
It's not based on the web pageitself.
It actually took you to theGoogle Form webpage.

Mike Gorday (31:58):
They just had better trained scammers.
On the other end, they weremore polite.
I think they were more politescammers.
They were more polite.

Nathan Mumm (32:03):
Alright, okay, I'm going to do mine.
And how many minutes do we haveleft?
Do we have about a couple moreminutes?
Okay, here we go.
So I got this thing that saysthis is from Kara at Data Axel.
But all of a sudden Data Axelis nowhere in here.
It's at insights of blah blah,blah, blah blah, at a bunch of
numbers, something, something,somethingnetcom.
So they they were kind ofconfused on their deal.

(32:27):
They have like anet and thenacom.
So I guess it's both that youcan send it to.
That just means that theyactually signed up fornetcom.
All right, it says unwrap yourgifts to start 2025 on a high
note.
I have a look at this a holidayseason.
I can open for a story, I canopen for the perfect recipe, I
can open for 2025 success and Ican open for a movie mashup.

(32:50):
Now there's social media iconson here.
None of these social mediaicons work.
So if you go to a page andthey're sending you something in
email and none of the socialmedia, maybe one of those could
be incorrect and they'd have anupdate and I can get that
sometimes.
But none of those open upanything on the social media,
probably for a sign.
Their contact information pagedoes not exist.
Everything is black.
There's no, no information downthere.

(33:11):
Probably not a good sign either.
But you know what I decided?
What the heck?
These are four holiday giftsfor me.
I cannot miss out on thesegifts.

Mike Gorday (33:19):
Did you open a?

Nathan Mumm (33:20):
story.
I did.
I opened a.
Well, I did not do the storybecause I didn't want the story,
but I opened for the perfectrecipe, all right, and I opened
for the 2025 success.
Now there went to two differentURLs.
The 2025 success went to anastrology page that told me my
astrology information.
Well, that sounds about right.

(33:40):
So that was pretty good, and Iwas very excited that when I
opened the perfect recipe, ittook me to recipecom.
So what they do have, though,on this email, is they have a
tracking device that knows that,when I click on it, that I
opened the email.
So what this is doing is, eventhough these links were not
really nefarious they weren'tasking for any information what

(34:02):
they do know is that I clickedon this email because it sends
back a token saying that Iclicked on it at what time it
was, knowing that they can thencontinue to sell my information
at that email account becauseI'm actively using that email.

Mike Gorday (34:17):
So what is a scam then?
It's just an active email scam.

Nathan Mumm (34:20):
Yep, it's just a campaign to see active email.
Links of opening a story and aperfect recipe were just links
to existing items that were outthere, so not a whole lot on the
deal, other than Nathan's alive person.
We're going to keep on sendingthem spam so that we can do this
segment, all right you got onemore right here.

Mike Gorday (34:36):
Little do they know ?

Nathan Mumm (34:37):
That's right, you All right.
You got one more right here.

Mike Gorday (34:42):
Little do they know ?
That's right.
You have one more here, mike.
I think you and Odie both haveone last one.
Okay, this is fromhealthcaregov notices
marketplace at healthcaregov.

Nathan Mumm (34:48):
Okay it looks really legitimate and the email
looks legitimate.

Mike Gorday (34:53):
Tomorrow is the last day to find coverage
starting January 1st.
Urgent deadline tomorrow.

Nathan Mumm (35:00):
Okay, so what date is it on the tomorrow?
So what's the date that Ireceived?

Mike Gorday (35:05):
that email.
You received it on the 14th ofDecember.

Nathan Mumm (35:09):
Okay, so a little bit again.

Mike Gorday (35:16):
Well, this kind of makes sense when you're thinking
about like what do they callthose.
Open enrollment, openenrollment months yeah.
So this kind of jives with thatit plays into it pretty good,
doesn't it it does.
Tomorrow is the last day toenroll in coverage beginning
January 1st.
Find out if you qualify forsavings and pick the plan that
works best for you athealthcaregov.
Remember to enroll by tomorrowfor coverage starting on January

(35:40):
1st.
It does have on the back.
It looks like this message ispaid for the US Department of
Health and Human Services.
Okay.

Nathan Mumm (35:48):
Blurb Looks really good, doesn't?

Mike Gorday (35:50):
it Looks pretty good what happened when you.

Nathan Mumm (35:53):
I know you had to click on that, so I clicked on
the link itself, it did not goto the right page.
Which page?

Mike Gorday (35:58):
did it go to, so I clicked on the link itself.

Nathan Mumm (35:59):
It did not go to the right page so it went to a
page that wanted to download aPDF for me to fill out.
The PDF was not a valid AdobePDF.
This is part of, I think, stillthe Adobe hack that happened
that we talked about quite a bitago, that Adobe and both
DocuSign were kind ofcompromised and so this link

(36:19):
actually goes to a hijacked site.
Downloading a PDF file lookslegit, was sent, probably from
the template of the healthcare,maybe even from the system
itself.
But anytime you get somethingand you click on it and it wants
you to download an attachmentimmediately, you should always
pause and stop.
That is not the recommended wayto move forward with anything.

(36:39):
So please be really careful.
If there's any time you open aweb page and it wants you to
download something, you shouldbe able to open and go through
web pages without downloading,without clicking on something.
Unless you know what it isneeded for, do not click on it
itself.

Ody (36:55):
All right, od you got the last one.
I do have the last one.
The last one is from Rogers atthe go massive.

Nathan Mumm (37:03):
Okay.

Ody (37:04):
Hi Nathan, I'm an Amazon and Walmart expert was a proven
track record.
If you're available for a quickzoom call and then they give
you the calendar thingy, I'dlove to demonstrate my expertise
.
I'm confident You'll beimpressed.

Mike Gorday (37:19):
Best regards.

Ody (37:20):
Roger.

Mike Gorday (37:20):
Okay, so he's an Amazon and Walmart expert.
Is it Walmart, both, yeah?

Nathan Mumm (37:26):
So what is he doing ?
Is he an expert of Walmart?
He wants to show you, hisawesomeness.

Ody (37:32):
Yeah, he's an expert of both.

Mike Gorday (37:34):
So what is he going to do for me?

Nathan Mumm (37:36):
He's going to show you how much of an expert he is
Over Zoom, over Zoom.
He's going to show me how to goto Walmart and buy stuff.

Ody (37:43):
Or over zoom over, zoom.

Mike Gorday (37:43):
He's going to show me how to go to walmart and buy
stuff, or I'm sure, I'm surethat's uh walmartcom.

Nathan Mumm (37:47):
He's like that's so passe, going to a store so I
don't quite understand the value, so that my problem reminds me
of those people that areconvinced to go buy the gift
cards, you know oh, they go inand they get the calls and they
go into the store and they say Ineed to buy three hundred
dollars of google gift cards.

Mike Gorday (38:07):
I kept I kept somebody for three hours trying
to get me.
I wanted to give them a tenthousand dollar gift card and
they wouldn't accept that.
They wouldn't accept that allright so did you uh schedule a
zoom call with roger?

Nathan Mumm (38:19):
I did not, you should have that would have been
the best thing ever.
I just don't know what he wouldbe an expert of.
He's an expert at Walmart.

Mike Gorday (38:25):
He's an expert at.

Nathan Mumm (38:26):
Amazon or Amazon.

Mike Gorday (38:27):
And.

Nathan Mumm (38:27):
Walmart.
My wife is an expert at Amazonand Walmart.

Mike Gorday (38:30):
If you want someone to show you how to use those
two things, she can sell and buyand do everything.
Is it like okay, nathan, here'swhat you click.
Go through the door, don't evenlook at the greeter, if they
have one, because they'll saysomething to you and then you'll
have to say hi back, so youjust keep just walk past them,
all right, okay.

Nathan Mumm (38:50):
Well, that ends our later segment.
All right, after the break, wehave this week in technology,
but now we have mike'smesmerizing moment.
Welcome to mike's mesmerizingmoment.
What does Mike have to saytoday?
All right, mike, here's yourmesmerizing moment.
You worked at a car dealershipa long time ago in your life.

Mike Gorday (39:11):
I did.

Nathan Mumm (39:11):
Yes, is having Amazon coming in as a third
party good for the consumerpurchasing of a car?
Give me your salesmaninformation back end on on this
so I'll just give you a story.

Mike Gorday (39:27):
Okay, all right.
So when I was, when I was doingcar sales, yeah, I had to.
I had to get a job really fast,so I became a car salesman, uh,
which was I don't recommend.

Nathan Mumm (39:37):
It's a bad idea it's a bad idea, it was a
horrible, horrible job but youknow what I learned?

Speaker 6 (39:41):
a lot, though I learned a lot okay, okay.

Mike Gorday (39:44):
So, uh, back when I was doing this, they had tried
to sell cars online andcustomers just weren't buying
them online.
Okay, that makes sense and sothere was this, there was this
whole bad marriage thing betweendealerships and customers.
All right, uh, but then theystarted this uh carvana thing
and some of these, thesecompanies, suddenly became

(40:07):
pretty profitable, prettyprofitable, and people like it
right?
I mean, if I can order a car andyou drop it right off you know
if amazon is grabbing onto thisnow I can't say whether or not
it's going to be best forcustomers, but uh, it's obvious
that the online market has takenroot for this thing and people

(40:27):
are sick and tired of dealingwith dealership madness.
Because it it's madness, is it?
It's a yeah, it's a whole bigpsych game going to a dealership
and talking to a salesperson,because all they're doing is
employing all these littletricks, all these psych tricks,
to get you to do something youthink you want to do.

Nathan Mumm (40:47):
So if I can buy it on the ease of just having to go
into Amazon and looking for acolor and a model and
information, does that thenbecome a better alternative than
going to a dealership?

Mike Gorday (40:56):
I'm sure it's a quicker alternative.
I don't know if it's a betteralternative, because then you
have to deal with the fact that,hey, this is not the car I
ordered, or hey, this doesn'teven start.

Ody (41:09):
Not to mention Carvana, had a lot of issues where they
dropped the car and damaged thecar on drop off.

Mike Gorday (41:15):
Yeah they did and they had both of the places that
have done that.

Nathan Mumm (41:22):
They were just running around and just like,
well, no, just because when youtransport, right, if you're
transporting on a flatbread andall of a sudden you're going
across the highway and you'regoing across freeways, and so
it's rock, sting it and do thistype of stuff.
They don't transport it thesame way as the the dealerships
get them from the actual factorypeople.

Mike Gorday (41:39):
So yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
I'm sure that this is justamazon just putting their toe in
the water.
And they're doing it.
You know, they've got, they'vegot hyundai on board to say,
okay, yeah, we can test this out, but I don't know, does it so?
You know, traditionally a carloses over half of its value
once you drive it off theproperty.
Yeah, uh, does it lose all thatvalue when the car delivery

(42:04):
service drives off the property,or does it lose all that value
when they drop it in front ofyour house?

Nathan Mumm (42:09):
I would only be interested in this for actual
new cars.
I don't think I would buy anyused car without at least taking
it out, kicking the tires andmaking sure that it's working
right.
That's just my.

Ody (42:20):
See, I can't see other companies jumping on this, like
BMW or Lexus.
I can't see them doing that.

Nathan Mumm (42:26):
No, they want the whole experience right Right.
So you go on in and you got thehigh-end coffee and cappuccino
and you're sitting down there.

Mike Gorday (42:33):
It's all the same scam, though it's all exactly
the same thing.
They're doing exactly the samething.
They're employing psychologicaltricks to get you to buy stuff
they want you to buy, okay, andnew cars don't have as much
profit margin as used cars.
Used cars are the ones.
If you ever sell cars uh, usedcar salesman, that's where the

(42:56):
money is that's right.

Nathan Mumm (42:57):
that makes sense, because you get it in on a
trade-in and you pay 500 bucksand say that it's not worth
anything, and then you clean itup.
Fish.

Mike Gorday (43:04):
Yeah, we call it fish.
You know, it's like if you weregoing to get, if the, if the
markup on the car was a thousandbucks, that's a one pound fish.
Oh, okay, Then there's the twopounder a three pounder.
Your whole goal as a salesmanis the highest pound, get the
highest fish.
There you go.

Nathan Mumm (43:20):
All right.
Well, mike, thanks for thatmesmerizing moment.
Up next we have this Week inTechnology, so now would be a
great time to enjoy a littlewhiskey on the side, as we're
going to be doing so.
During the break, you'relistening to Tech Time Radio
with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes.
Hey, mike.
Yeah, what's up?

Mike Gorday (43:36):
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I think it's Patreon.
Okay, patreon, if you reallylike us, you can like us in.
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You know you butcher the English language all
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Nathan Mumm (44:06):
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Yeah, we're on Facebook too.
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That's it, it's that simple.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
And now let's look back at this week in technology.

Nathan Mumm (44:46):
All right, we're going back to December 6, 2003.
There was an initiative thatcame on out that says we will
stop spam with the CanSpaminitiative to controlling the
assault of non-solicitedPornographic and Marketing.
Act of 2003 is a law passed in2003 to establish United States'

(45:09):
first national standards forsending of commercial email.
The CanSpam Act of 2003 issigned into law, passed in an
attempt to control the growingmasses of junk email.
That word is deluge growingmasses of junk email.
That word is deluge, deluge ofjunk email.
The law is effectivelydubiously passed.

(45:29):
Now.
This is the problem with thiswhole bill.
So they came on out.
This is when they had alreadymade it illegal to have
pornographic emails be sent, andthat has really stopped today,
right, I mean, everybody stillgets those in their inbox, but
that's what this Do they?

Mike Gorday (45:45):
I don't get those in my inbox.
Oh, neither do I.

Nathan Mumm (45:47):
No, neither do I Okay.

Mike Gorday (45:49):
All right.

Nathan Mumm (45:50):
What are you subscribing to?
Okay?
So, essentially, the bill failsto prohibit many types of email
spam.
So this is what the bill cameon out to do, which is horrible.
In what the bill came on out todo, which is horrible, in
particular, it does not requireemailers to get permission
before they send marketingmessages.
So that should have been numberone that it should have done.
It also prevents states fromenacting stronger anti-spam

(46:12):
protections because they wantedthe government to do it.
So, instead of having to bestate initiative wise, they
decided the government couldtake care of this back in 2003,
when they had no cyberprotection.
It prohibits individuals whoreceive spam from suing spammers
, except under law not specifiedto email.
So this was the worst lawcreated by people who did not

(46:33):
understand technology just tomake it sound like they were
stopping spam.
This reminds me of, like thezuckerberg uh, when he's gone in
front of court and they'retalking about facebook and
they're like oh, facebook ishorrible.
And you have all these statesenators have no clue.

Mike Gorday (46:48):
They don't know how it works.

Ody (46:49):
You don't even got to go back that far Just when that?
When the CEO of ByteDance wentout into Congress and it's like
does this connect to my Wi-Fiand all that?
And it's like dude.

Nathan Mumm (46:59):
Yeah, you're like what the heck are you talking
about?
Tell me, you don't know whatyou're talking about.
These senators have like noclue what they're doing.
So all these people at thegovernment level decided to
create this stop spam initiative, this that how much.
This cost over two milliondollars to do research, to do
studies.
And then they came up with thatthey weren't going to hold

(47:20):
people liable.
They weren't going to to dothis.
You didn't have to have asubscriber list.
None of these initiatives wereever taken into place.
So it just can tell you that agood idea in the wrong hands can
actually make things worse thanmake it better.

Ody (47:34):
Now that was this week in technology.

Mike Gorday (47:35):
Okay.

Nathan Mumm (47:36):
What's that?

Mike Gorday (47:37):
You know You're going to be positive.

Nathan Mumm (47:39):
What was the positive about this, oh?

Mike Gorday (47:40):
my positive is that I still get all kinds of junk
mail in my regular mailbox.
Why wouldn't I be getting it inmy email box?

Nathan Mumm (47:48):
Okay, so there you go, so it helped you to just
have it on both platforms.
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Speaker 1 (48:46):
that's s-t-o-r-i coffeecom, the segment we've
been waiting all week for mark'swhiskey mumble okay, mumble
away, mark away.

Ody (49:00):
Okay, do you guys know what we're celebrating today?

Mike Gorday (49:05):
What are we celebrating?
National Japanese Whiskey Day.

Ody (49:06):
Okay, here's the hint.

Mike Gorday (49:07):
Okay.

Nathan Mumm (49:10):
Terminator Day, no, oh, judgment Day.

Ody (49:14):
No, no.
I don't know why Mark pickedthat, but it's National Device
Appreciation Day.

Nathan Mumm (49:22):
And he chose Terminator.
And he chose Terminator.

Ody (49:25):
I don't know why.

Nathan Mumm (49:27):
Maybe Mark was on vacation.

Mike Gorday (49:27):
Mark, if you're listening to this, I think you
might have drank a little bittoo much.

Ody (49:33):
So the day is an opportunity to appreciate the
devices that help us lead ourlives and take steps to protect
those that are most important toyou.
The best, most effective way toprotect all of the items that
contribute to joy in your lifeis to properly insure them.
Guess who sponsors todayTraverse, a fully mobile

(49:54):
insurance platform.

Mike Gorday (49:55):
Okay, so yay, I'm still having trouble with this.
I don't know how it collects,but whatever.
Maybe that's just the firststep before the machines take
over.

Ody (50:05):
Okay so japan's electronics industry is one of
the largest in the world.
Like japan's electronicsindustry, japanese whiskey is
also showcasing the country'sexpertise in a different area.
Matsui shuzo is a japanesewhiskey distillery and brewery
that has been in operation since1910.
The predecessor, named AgawaShuzo, was an old family that

(50:29):
ran a sake brewery from the Edoperiod 17th through the 19th
century.
The Matsui family acquired thebusiness and continued to
operate it, with the 12thgeneration owner being involved
in the whiskey production.
This mumble today is actuallybrought to you by our friend
Whiskey Chris.
As Mark does not drink singlemalts, he reached out to Chris

(50:49):
and here are his thoughts.

Nathan Mumm (50:51):
Okay.

Ody (50:51):
The nose sherry, likely from an ex-sherry barrel toffee,
Granny Smith apple, lightvanilla and slightly sweet
floral.
The palate has raisins, pie,crust, untoasted almonds, cherry
influence.
It's still very strong lightoak cherry pie with the
mouthfeel as relatively thin andthe finish is a medium length

(51:14):
with darker notes with blackpepper, smoke, luxardo cherries,
dark chocolate, slight earthynotes, a mix of tobacco and
plant potting soil.
Overall thoughts, the sherry isfront and center.
The fruit forward notes helpcomplement the sherry influence,
stray in a completely differentdirection in the finish, adding

(51:36):
more distracting flavors fromthe sherry.
With the strange earthy note,the nose is the best part of the
whiskey.
With a strange earthy note, thenose is the best part of the
whiskey.
Second time I tasted thistoffee was almost more dominant
than the sherry of the nose,which improved it immensely.
What do you think?
Mark rated it.

Nathan Mumm (51:56):
So Mark rated it.
He didn't want to taste it.
So are we doing the Mark ratingin it or do we do it the Chris
through the Mark rating?
I kind of like Chris's Analogy.
I mean, this Chris guy Seemedto be all over it.
Mark comes on in here and kindof wings it A little bit, that's
because he knows that we aren'tWhiskey snobs.

Mike Gorday (52:18):
So from Chris I guess Mark is.

Nathan Mumm (52:21):
Yeah, he kind of it , yeah, he kind of yeah.

Ody (52:24):
The.
It's a tentative thumbs up.
First time tasted was a thumbsdown because of that earthy soil
note.
Okay, yeah, it's a thumbs up.

Nathan Mumm (52:32):
I kind of I kind of I kind of agree with him so.
So it has to grow on you Kindof like green mold.

Ody (52:38):
Oh, right, okay, Sure.

Nathan Mumm (52:39):
Why not Okay, oh okay, sure, why not Right.
Okay, all right.
Well, you know, whiskey andtechnology are a great pairing,
just like holiday, Christmasmovies and the Hallmark Channel.

Mike Gorday (52:47):
No, the Hallmark Channel?

Nathan Mumm (52:49):
No, no, no oh my gosh, every story on the
Hallmark Channel is the same.
You got the poor person workingman.

Ody (52:53):
I hate them.

Nathan Mumm (52:54):
Yeah, or the person's working at this deal.

Ody (52:57):
I can, and it has the most ridiculous thing like oh, the
city girl comes back to herhometown roots and the city is
going to be bought by some oilmongrel that's going to destroy
it Right, and if it's not forthe holiday magic that brings
the whole town together withthis one, it's a wonderful life.

Nathan Mumm (53:15):
Yes, oh, so you're saying you're not the homewrecks
channel fan?

Ody (53:20):
No.

Nathan Mumm (53:20):
OK, All right Well apparently you are.

Ody (53:24):
Well, you know what I like .
The same story over and, overand over again.
I don't want.
Yeah, you're basic.
Oh, yeah, you're basic, youknow what I watched?

Mike Gorday (53:30):
What'd you watch?
How the Grinch Stole Christmas?
Yeah.

Ody (53:32):
The Jim Carrey version.

Mike Gorday (53:37):
All of them TV spirited, with Ryan Reynolds in
the film Jim Carrey, all the waythere was this one I watched
last year, where Santa Claus islike this ass-kicking guy and he
runs around killing mercenaries.

Nathan Mumm (53:50):
That was pretty cool.
You're talking about what's hisface?

Mike Gorday (53:54):
Yeah, I can't remember what the movie was
called, but these people.

Nathan Mumm (53:58):
He's a Norse guy.
He's a Norse guy.

Mike Gorday (53:59):
Yeah, they kidnapped his family.
No, no, no, no, no.

Nathan Mumm (54:03):
They kidnapped this group of mercenaries kidnapped
his family and he runs aroundwith a sledgehammer just beating
the hell out of everybody.
Yeah, this guy in StrangerThings.

Mike Gorday (54:11):
That's what it is.

Nathan Mumm (54:11):
What.
Yeah, it was cool, it was good,david Harbour.

Ody (54:15):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah there, prepare for our technology fail the week
brought to us by eliteexecutive services technology
experts to help you out of atechnology fail.

Speaker 7 (54:34):
We are out of time.
Congratulations, you're afailure.

Nathan Mumm (54:37):
Oh, I failed did I yes, did I, yes, did I, yes.
All right, this is what we gotcoming to us this week.
Do you like donuts?

Mike Gorday (54:45):
I'm going to say no , okay, because I'm not supposed
to Okay Krispy Kremes.

Nathan Mumm (54:50):
Do you like Krispy Kremes?

Mike Gorday (54:52):
Sure.

Nathan Mumm (54:53):
Why not?
No, well, guess what?
Krispy Kreme is the US donutchain and coffee house that
operates over 1,521 shops andover 15,000 plus point of access
.
Employees more than 20,000employees.
Company has an activepartnership with McDonald's to
offer its products to thousandsof additional locations.

(55:15):
Guess what has happened to them?

Mike Gorday (55:18):
They were hacked, weren't they?

Nathan Mumm (55:19):
On November 29, 2024.

Mike Gorday (55:20):
Did they get the donut?

Nathan Mumm (55:22):
recipe All right.
Krispy Kreme detected anunauthorized activity November
29, 2024 that has causeddisruption to its online
ordering system in the UnitedStates.
On November 29, 2024, krispyKreme Inc was notified regarding
an unauthorized activity onportions of its information
technology systems.
On portions of its informationtechnology systems, krispy Kreme

(55:46):
shops globally are still open,but consumers are unable to
place orders through the app.
They are able to go and visitthe store in person and be able
to get their daily selection ofdonuts, but if you wanted to
order, online Amazon can'tdeliver my Krispy Kremes.
Well, maybe they could soon.
The company has also updatedits website to display a message
warning that online ordering isdisrupted.

(56:08):
The cyber attack has had amaterial impact on Krispy
Kremes' business and willcontinue until the recovery is
complete.
The company also expects areasonable financial impact from
the loss of revenue fromdigital sales during one of its
highest times of sales.
The recovery period is stillgoing on and fees are being paid
to cybersecurity experts I hopeit's not FireEye and advisors

(56:32):
and costs associated withsystems resorting efforts.
Chris McKean has not shared anyadditional information about
the attack, so it's unclear ifthe ransomware attack or if it's
a different type of breach.

Mike Gorday (56:48):
Well shoot, you can't get donuts online, that's
that's a big deal, yeah, and Ihave to drive to the store
itself.
All right, you know the their.

Nathan Mumm (56:52):
The customer base nowadays is probably like meh I
don't want them that much, Idon't want them that much, so
I'll just go order them from, orthey get really or they get
really ticked off and go down tothe local crispy cream and yell
at them, for I love for coffee.
I crispy king coffee is nasty,but if you want to actually get
a really good uh coffee, I liketo go into duncan donuts.

(57:12):
I like their standard coffee.
It's pretty good, all right.
Well, now let's move on to ournathan nugget your nugget of the
week all right, so so here I'mconfused.

Mike Gorday (57:30):
All right, so it's 2025, we have.
Our predictions show that wehave 2025.

Nathan Mumm (57:32):
Well, it's almost it's 2025, right in in the rear
corner.
So here's what I'm confusedwith meta and elon musk are
working together.
Now they hate each other.
You got musk and he got muskand meta working together.
Now they hate each other.
You got Musk and Meta workingtogether.
You got Bezos and Microsoftworking together, amazon and
Microsoft.
People that literally a yearago, these companies hate each

(57:54):
other.

Mike Gorday (57:54):
Are cats and dogs living together?
Is this mass hysteria?

Nathan Mumm (57:58):
I don't know what's going on.
Meta is asking the CaliforniaAttorney General, rob Bonta, to
block OpenAI's plan totransition from a nonprofit to a
for-profit entity.
All of these companies Meta,amazon, microsoft and X have all
piled on against OpenAI.

(58:20):
Oh yeah, it's like the commonenemy.
So now, all of a sudden, we'reall friends and now, all of a
sudden, we all like thepresident too, and so we're all
just going to throw on,president-elect.
Sorry, we're going to throw onthat.
Now.
Openai is bad because they'removing from a charity that used
to have all this greatinformation to potentially being

(58:42):
gains as a company that peoplecould invest in themselves.
So Zuckerberg is doingeverything he can to fight
against OpenAI, including sayingthat they should give Elon Musk
the opportunity to come on inand explain how he created this
company as a quote-unquote,qualified and well-positioned

(59:04):
representative for theCalifornians on this matter.

Mike Gorday (59:10):
Get out of here.

Nathan Mumm (59:12):
It's almost like April Fool's.

Mike Gorday (59:13):
I'm just so struck with all these people working
together.
Opening eyes.

Nathan Mumm (59:18):
Now the bad guy, sam Altman, is Darth Vader.
All these people are all nowjust trying to save.

Mike Gorday (59:24):
America.
Oh, that's why this is on there, because your buddy is getting
attacked.
Well, I'm just saying that Iwould never have expected to
have Zuckerberg.
Sam Altman has become the evildictator.

Nathan Mumm (59:36):
So that is the evil emperor for his AI stuff, and
everybody is working together.
So my nugget is I am lost ofknowing who who I like now and
who I don't like.

Mike Gorday (59:45):
I mean, I'm not like any of them.
I don't.
It's really easy when you justdon't like it.

Nathan Mumm (59:49):
You don't like any of them.
I hate them all.
You see, I see this open.

Mike Gorday (59:52):
AI no big deal.
I don't like them.

Nathan Mumm (59:57):
I don't like opening.
I don't like microsoft.

Mike Gorday (59:58):
You use an xbox I, I like my, yeah, I like my video
games.
I like I'm gonna sit here andbe a hypocrite because I use a
lot of technology.

Nathan Mumm (01:00:09):
You do, but I also from an alexa in your device.

Ody (01:00:13):
I hate alexa I thought you talked to alexa, I thought you.
It is device appreciation day.

Mike Gorday (01:00:18):
Oh, I can't I cannot appreciate that device.

Nathan Mumm (01:00:21):
Come on, you talk to Alexa all the time.

Mike Gorday (01:00:24):
I ask Alette questions and she can't ever
give me the right answer or shegives me a whole different thing
.

Nathan Mumm (01:00:30):
It's because you need to use the OpenAI version
of Alexa.

Mike Gorday (01:00:33):
Sure, maybe that's what I but I can open up my
Google phone and ask the exactsame question and get the answer
.
I can type it into my Bing.
Get a whole bunch of Alexasucks.
I will not appreciate any Alexastuff today.
I yell at her all the time.
I'm always cussing at her, soshe always gives me the bum bum

(01:01:00):
noise when they hang up on you.

Nathan Mumm (01:01:04):
Okay, you know what I think, mike, we're about out
of time.
You know what we want to thankour listeners for joining the
program.
Listeners, we want to hear fromyou, so make sure you visit
techtimeradiocom.
Click on our BR caller.
I've been posting all theNathan Nugget items available on
our page.
I'm not going to be posting myrant about all these people
suing Sam Altman, so you'regoing to have to tell the

(01:01:25):
beginning of the year You'regoing to rant about it next week
.
We're excited that our upcomingshow is going to be our
prediction show.
We're going to look back at howOdie, mike and myself did on
predictions of what was going tohappen and then we're going to
make some new predictions.
I can't wait for that.
Over the year, you know, wewant everybody to be safe during
the holidays.
Make sure that you drinkresponsibly.
Heaven can wait, is that?

Ody (01:01:46):
what Mark always says.
Yeah, that's what he says.
What do you guys rate today'sKuro Yoshi Distillery Japanese
whiskey?
Oh yeah, we're going to do thewhole whiskey thing.

Nathan Mumm (01:01:54):
Thumbs up or thumbs down.
Yeah, thumbs up or thumbs down,I'm not going to give it a
thumbs up.

Ody (01:01:58):
Is it thumbs down Is?

Mike Gorday (01:01:59):
it thumbs down for me.

Nathan Mumm (01:02:00):
I didn't like it either.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
Okay.

Nathan Mumm (01:02:01):
I mean, I spent a lot of time buying this, so I
should have this whole dealabout where I love this.
I did not.
You know what.
It was a screw cap instead of acork cap.
That was the side.

Mike Gorday (01:02:10):
That was it.
It had nothing to do with thefunky soil flavor.

Nathan Mumm (01:02:14):
It did not.
That was it.
All right.
Tomorrow starts with thetechnology of today.
We'll see you next week.
Bye-bye.

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