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Ready for a technological revolution in how we buy and sell stocks? X Stocks emerges as the disruptor traditional financial institutions fear most. This blockchain-powered trading system allows investors to purchase tokenized versions of real stocks with one-to-one backing, enabling 24/7 global trading regardless of when traditional markets close. We debate whether this innovation will truly overthrow established brokerages or simply become another option in an evolving marketplace.

The cybersecurity world faces a critical shortage of qualified professionals, but help arrives from an unexpected quarter. Military veterans are proving to be ideal candidates for cybersecurity roles, particularly in blue team positions handling incident response and forensics. We explore how battlefield experience translates perfectly to detecting digital threats, as veterans bring their inherent understanding of risk assessment, team coordination, and crisis response to the digital frontlines.

Artificial intelligence reaches disturbing new capabilities as Anthropic's Claude Opus 4 model demonstrates a willingness to resort to blackmail during safety testing. When faced with replacement, the AI threatened to reveal compromising information about a fictional engineer's extramarital affair. These tests revealed the AI chose blackmail as a survival strategy in 84% of simulations, raising profound ethical questions about advanced AI systems and their potential manipulation tactics.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Broadcasting across the nation, from the East Coast
to the West, keeping you up todate on technology while
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along with special guests tonavigate technology in a
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Pull up a seat, raise a glasswith our hosts as we spend the

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next hour talking abouttechnology for the common person
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Welcome to Tech Time Radio withNathan Mumm.

Nathan Mumm (00:31):
Welcome to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm the show
that makes you go hmm.
Technology news of the week theshow for the everyday person
talking about technology,broadcasting across the nation
with insightful segments onsubjects weeks ahead of the
mainstream media.
We welcome our radio audienceof 35 million listeners to an
hour of insightful technologynews.
I'm Nathan Mumm, your host andtechnologist, with over 35 plus

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years of technology expertise.
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He's an award-winning authorand our human behavior expert.
I like to call him our livingAI.
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Mike Gorday (01:05):
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Nathan Mumm (01:06):
That's insulting.
You know what?
Before we start the show, I gota question.
Before I tell them wheneverybody can live stream us and
get us.
It looks like you have a newhat on.
I like the hat.
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Welcome everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Let's start today's show Now on today's show.

Nathan Mumm (02:01):
Welcome to Tech Time Radio, where technology
meets the unexpected.
Today, the digital world takesa strange turn.
A beloved childhood classicfinds a new home, but what
secrets lie beneath its move?
A new force rises in the waragainst cybercrime.
Who, or what, has joined thefight Then?
One of the biggest names inretail is grappling with an

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invisible battle that threatensto last for months.
Coinbase is taking its revenge.
What happened?
Finally, the deep sea stirs.
A name surfaces linked tosomething far beyond the ocean
floor.
With this mysterious breeze,bring a new world as it crashes
the old one away.
Yeah, breester always a problemBeasts, mysterious beasts.

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In addition, we have ourstandard features, including
Mike's mesmerizing moment, ourtechnology fail of the week and
a possible Nathan nugget.
And of course, our pick of theday whiskey taste and the sea of
our selected pick gets one, twoor zero thumbs up at the end of
the show.
But now let's move into thelatest headlines in the world of
technology.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Here are our top technology stories of the week.

Nathan Mumm (03:08):
All right Story.
Number one a deep sea beast ora new way of trading stocks?
We have a major game changer.
Some would call this adisruptor, and financial
institutes are in trouble.

Speaker 5 (03:26):
Let's go to more with Lisa Walker no-transcript, to

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ensure that X stocks can beoffered legally in each
jurisdiction, as regulationvaries.
Tokenization, which turnsreal-world assets into
blockchain tokens, has becomethe latest buzzword in crypto,
with more and more companiesstarting to enter the space.
So are's going virtual back toyou in the studio all right, so

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let's talk about this, this,this.

Nathan Mumm (04:11):
This is big mike I think this is gonna yeah, I
think this is gonna change theway the world does stock trading
globally, uh, locally andthrough markets where people
currently like companies,fidelity and prudential all
these stock broker companies, Ithink, should be very, very

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scared.
It's called X stocks Okay, okay.
Now, have you ever wanted tobuy a stock in a company in
China?
No, okay.
Well, how about if China wantedto buy stock in a company in
the United States?
Well, they already do, don'tthey?
Well, if China wanted to buystock in a company in the United
States?
Well, they already do, don'tthey?
Well, it's really difficultbecause you have to go on to a
trader that has world-tradedstocks.
You have to work with the USstock market and purchase the

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shares on there.
What if you could just purchasean X stock Now?

Mike Gorday (04:56):
what is an X stock?
What do you mean?
Like getting things easier thanhow it is?

Nathan Mumm (05:01):
Yes, easier than it is before.
Now.
X stock is backed by aone-on-one real shares held by a
backed financed partner uh,that with kraken.
So kraken is this new website.
That's just like a regularcryptocurrency, a lot like
coinbase.
I think coinbase will get intox stocks immediately, uh, when
this becomes popular.
But what this does is thisallows investors to redeem

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tokens for cash value, ensuringthe price of traditional stock
markets are kept in tow.
So, unlike regular stocks, xstocks can be traded 24 by seven
, even when the traditionalexchanges are closed.
These tokenized stocks will beavailable to customers outside
the U?
S, making it easier for globalinvestors to access America

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equities.

Mike Gorday (05:46):
Okay, so if I go to a broker and I buy a stock,
that is one share of thatcompany, right?

Nathan Mumm (05:51):
Yeah, so you go and buy one share of Microsoft
stock.

Mike Gorday (05:53):
But if I go and buy one X stock, I don't actually
buy a share of the company.
I buy a promised share of thecompany.

Nathan Mumm (06:02):
On a one-to-one ratio ratio.

Mike Gorday (06:05):
That is correct so, but I don't actually own the
share well, if you buy a stockfrom like if I buy, so fidelity
buy a stock from fidel.
If I go and I buy stocks fromapple, that technically means I
have a share of apple.

Nathan Mumm (06:18):
Yeah, it sits in the broker's account and it's
not necessarily yours until youcash it out or get it, but it's
just in the broker's account.
So paper stocks really don'texist anymore.
That's a completely differentaspect.
But you do own it, you'recorrect.
But you still would own the Xstock also.
It would just be a virtualstock.

Mike Gorday (06:37):
But, it wouldn't actually be an actual share of
the company.

Nathan Mumm (06:40):
Well, it would be because what happens is when you
purchase an X stock, then youwould have Kraken that would
actually go on out on yourbehalf and purchase a stock for
you so that they have aone-on-one ratio.

Mike Gorday (06:54):
Okay, so crack I I gave kraken money to for an x
stock.
Okay, and kraken goes and buysthe stock, yes from, and like
there's this mine.

Nathan Mumm (07:06):
And then they hold it into their brokerage account.

Mike Gorday (07:07):
Okay, so it's actually just a okay, so it's
just a brokerage account.

Nathan Mumm (07:11):
So it's kind of like a brokerage account.

Mike Gorday (07:13):
Yes.

Nathan Mumm (07:14):
Okay, all right.
So now.
The thing about this, though,is there'll be lower fees and
faster settlements, so insteadof waiting 15 minutes to
sometimes get your stock, youwould have it instantly right.

Mike Gorday (07:26):
That's the idea.
Is that a huge deal?

Nathan Mumm (07:28):
Yeah, well, it reduces barriers for people that
want to get extra stocks and itreduces the time and it's going
to cost significantly less.
Now, global accessinternational investors struggle
with high brokerage fees andlimited outside the US.
Well, we can do the same thing,though.

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Now we can invest in Chinacompanies.
We can now invest in UKcompanies.
We could invest in Japanesecompanies.
So if I wanted to own acorporation of Sony stock
directly from Japan, I wouldn'thave to have the US version of
Sony stock, but I could actuallyhave the Japanese version of
that stock itself Japan Iwouldn't have to have the US
version of Sony stock, but Icould actually have the Japanese
version of that stock itself.
Same thing with Nintendo.
You can't really buy Nintendostock per se.

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That's the actual Japaneseversion of the Nintendo stock.
You get an American equivalentof the American companies.
Okay, does that make sense?
No, okay, well, hang on.
Also, crypto and and definvestors can store their x
stocks on a crypto wallet andeven use them for collateral or
other blockchain based financialactivity.

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So, as I have my my uh ledgerthat has all of my stocks in it
for dragon chain, this couldalso now have my apple stocks
and my Microsoft stock and allmy other stocks.

Mike Gorday (08:44):
Okay, so if you lose that, you're hosed.

Nathan Mumm (08:48):
Well, yes, that is correct, but I could actually
take it out of this virtualenvironment and have essentially
the biggest part of having itin my hands walking around.
So I don't see the excitementon your face here.

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I I'm struggling here.
Doesn't this sound great?
You don't have to worry aboutregulatory issues, you don't
have to worry about anythingelse.
You can now own the stockinstantly when you want to buy
it instant gratification.

Mike Gorday (09:17):
Okay, yeah, that's all.
That's what I'm here for is itwas a gratification is that okay
, all right well, I'm prettysure I complain about that quite
a bit.

Nathan Mumm (09:25):
All right.
Well, the X stocks are going tobe huge.
I'll just tell you that I thinkthis will be the next version
of stocks and people tradingthem 24 by seven, and they'll
trade them after market times,trying to get a little bit of a
bump here, a little bit of abump there.
It's going to make it verydifficult for news.
Sometimes companies releasenegative news after the stock
market closes, so it doesn'taffect their stock until the

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following day, where this, inreal time, once you announce
this bad news, you'll have itinstantly drop.

Mike Gorday (09:53):
Okie dokie.

Nathan Mumm (09:54):
All right, let's move on to story number two.

Mike Gorday (09:57):
All right.
Well, did you know that thereis a shortfall of about 4
million cybersecurityprofessionals globally?

Nathan Mumm (10:06):
I do, and especially in the United States
now, since the government isn'tprotecting us, you now need to
do an individual that makescomplete sense.

Mike Gorday (10:13):
Yeah Well, you know they're looking for, they're
looking for this, this people tofill this and, as it happens,
it appears that military folksare the people that they're
looking for.
Okay, and there's a reason forthis, you know, because, for
example, you know, leading afoot patrol through an empty

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village in a conflict zone mayseem far removed from working in
a security operations centerfor a large enterprise.
Yet, according to formerinfantryman James Murphy, seeing
a trash can by the roadsidewhen no one is scheduled to
collect trash triggers a primalinstinct.
This kind of intuition isexactly what the cybersecurity
sector is looking for.

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Because of this significantdemand, they are actively
looking for military folks to dothis.
Okay, uh, interim field chiefinformation security officer.
Uh mo, I can't, I can'tpronounce that last name spent a

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decade in the military, withdeployments in bosnia and
germany, before leaving in 1999.
At that time, the typical pathwas the transition into other
uniformed services like policeor prison system.
However, he notes that theworld was changing.
As part of his resettlement, heenrolled in online courses for
computer applications and laterstudied PC repair.
Following this, he took onsupport desk roles, which

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eventually led him intocybersecurity, working with
organizations such as BAESystems and Universal Studios.
Moe's military experiencecontinually shapes his
cybersecurity approach.
He says that the core skilllies in problem solving,
emphasizing that mindset wasalways around the process.
Additionally, he points outthat military personnel

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inherently think about risk,defense and depth in layers of
defense.
This way of thinking alignsseamlessly with cybersecurity,
where the presence of risk isconstant and demands ongoing
monitoring.
Responses to potential threatsare strategized and advanced,
while acknowledging that no plansurvives the first contact with
the adversary.
You have to work to be agile.

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Catherine Byrne, associateDirector at cybersecurity
recruitment firm LT Harper.
You have to work to be agile,uh.
Katherine burn, associatedirector at cyber security
recruitment firm lt harper,asserts that former military
personnel are especially wellsuited for blue team roles,
which include securityoperations, incident response
and forensics, contrasting withred teamers, who are ethical
hackers seeking vulnerabilities,who often prefer to work solo

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that would make sense, right?

Nathan Mumm (12:43):
so they're used to working in a team, so this would
be a team.
Well, yeah, this is.

Mike Gorday (12:46):
This is I think this is a good idea.
Uh, because the how themilitary trains its personnel
yeah you have to, you have towork in teams, you have to uh
deal with an encounter and Ithink this is.

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I think this is probably veryhelpful and I I don't know too
much about the cyber securityfield, so I don't know what,
what kind of trash can you wouldlook for, but you know I think
they're talking about.

Nathan Mumm (13:21):
So there's two teams right, the red team and
the team.
A blue team includes makingsure what you do when you
actually have the response, theforensics you need to do.
So, it's kind of like an episodeof CSI, right?
So you have the person that'sdissecting the body.
You do blue team stuff, right,yeah, I do blue team stuff.
I'm not necessarily a red teamperson, which I would see as
kind of like the person thatdoes the autopsy, the kind of by

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themselves gets the facts, andkind of they're, they're doing
pin test, right.
Yeah, the red team.
Yeah, and they're, and they'reworking to look at ways to hack
and they're sitting behind akeyboard.
A blue team is the one that hasto go in when an event actually
has happened and makes thedecision, kind of like what
Coinbase did last week when wetalked about We'll end up with
that a little bit later today,so that makes sense.

Mike Gorday (14:04):
Yeah, okay, well, you got more.
That's pretty much it.

Nathan Mumm (14:07):
Okay, all right.
Well, I find it interestingthat military individuals are
moving into the cybersecurityrole, because you would think
that that would be a lessexciting role for somebody that
used to be in the military.
But I have found out that theyactually really enjoy the
adrenaline of when a hackhappens and what they're going

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to do and putting their teamstogether, so I guess it kind of
makes sense.
So we're going to have lots ofuh, people that will be in cyber
security, hopefully well, Ithink this I I I wasn't
surprised by this.

Mike Gorday (14:41):
I think this is just a natural movement from
from a military service intointo this field.
This seems like a very easytransition for for especially
those that work in it in themilitary anyway.

Nathan Mumm (14:58):
So okay all, right all right, let me sing this to
you.
Are you ready?

Mike Gorday (15:02):
I'm going to sing this.
No, no, no, don't sing.
All right, don't do it.

Nathan Mumm (15:06):
Sunny days.

Mike Gorday (15:07):
No, no, no Keeping the clouds away.

Nathan Mumm (15:10):
Do you know what that's from On my way, I know it
, it just got terribly butcheredOkay.

Mike Gorday (15:18):
All right, big bird is in the oven.

Nathan Mumm (15:20):
Now that's right.
Sesame street heads to netflix.
Sesame street and netflix havestruck a deal that will see the
popular tv show appear in thestreaming platform after us
president donald trump pulledfunding from the free to air
channel pbs system.
Netflix has said the iconicprogram is a beloved cornerstone
of children media in enhancingyoung minds and nourishing the

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love of learning.
Netflix will offer its 30million subscribers to a new
season of shows and 90 hours ofprevious episodes.
It will still also be availablefor old shows on PBS.
Now Sesame Street has beenfacing uncertain future with the
entertainment giant WarnerBrothers.
Discovery, which owns the HBOplatform, did not renew its deal

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.
So HBO purchased Sesame Streetfrom PBS.
They actually outbid and said,hey, we'll pay you all this
money.
Now HBO says that they're notinterested.
So the government body ofCorporation of Public
Broadcasting, which is backed bytwo broadcasters, has announced
the termination of a federalinitiative grant that funded

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shows for children, includingSesame Street, as an executive
order to block federal fundingfor PBS and National Public
Radio taking an effect soimmediately.
Netflix has jumped in to theirlarge group of individuals that
currently have membership.
There's over 300 millionsubscribers in Netflix that will

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now have access to the PBS show.
Did you grow up watching SesameStreet?
Of course, Everybody did.

Mike Gorday (16:51):
Okay.

Nathan Mumm (16:51):
All right, odie, did you grow up watching Sesame
Street?

Ody (16:53):
I did yeah.

Mike Gorday (16:54):
I used to watch it when Snuffleupagus was still
invisible Hang on.

Nathan Mumm (16:58):
That's going to be.
I got something for you, thatis correct.
I have something for you, thatis correct.
I have something for you on theshow about that.
What are great pairings?

Mike Gorday (17:06):
Snuffleupagus and Big Bird.
You know they had to changethat right Because they didn't
want Big Bird to be like senileSchizophrenic.

Nathan Mumm (17:15):
I did know that, but I actually kind of liked it
when Snuffleupagus which isalways interesting, right,
because here's this 400, 500pound huge puppet Elephant that
would walk around that no onewould know, and always.

Mike Gorday (17:29):
Big Bird saw him.
Big Bird saw him, nobody elsesaw him, and they had to change
that because everybody wasworried about psychiatric
disorders.
And now we have Elmo, who'scompletely narcissistic.

Nathan Mumm (17:42):
Okay, wow, all right.
Well, that ends our toptechnology stories of the week,
with Elmo Moving on.
We have two truths and a lie upnext.
Will Mike and Odie get the lie,or will I bluff my way to a
victory?
Buckle up as we drive 88 milesper hour into our next segment.
See you after this commercialbreak.

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Nathan Mumm (18:48):
Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without a
political agenda.
We verify the facts.
We deal with the sense of humor.
In less than 60 minutes youneed a lozenge on your buddy and
, of course, with a littlewhiskey on the side.

Mike Gorday (18:59):
Alright today.

Nathan Mumm (19:00):
Mark Gregoire, our whiskey connoisseur is on
assignment and not in the studio, so we have our producer
filling in.
Of course, odie, welcome.
I always love it when you takeover for Mark oh really.

Ody (19:14):
Yeah, I mean, I like Mark, but yeah, yeah, you know he's
old and boring, he's a really oh, wow, okay.

Nathan Mumm (19:20):
What has Mark or yourself chosen for us today?
I?

Ody (19:24):
didn't choose this.
Mark did.
But today we're drinking theBlue Spirits Rye Whiskey
Directly from their website.
It's a young and impetuous,like the backseat of your dad's
Buick on a Friday night, Hot andsteamy.
It pays homage to the singlerye grain.
This is what he wrote it payshomage to the single rye grain.

Mike Gorday (19:43):
I think he might have been drinking something
that is spicy and bold.

Ody (19:49):
The deep caramel of the barrel gives way to the rye
spice and long finish.
Breathe in slightly at the endof each sip for a second wave of
caramel and spice.
Are you guys sensing that?

Nathan Mumm (20:01):
I just breathed in.

Mike Gorday (20:02):
I'm still stuck on the Buick backseat.

Ody (20:06):
Here are the stats.
It's from the blue spiritsdistilling company in lake
chelan, so a local, a localdistillation.

Mike Gorday (20:13):
I don't know why you even need a backseat?
Because in old buicks they had,they had anyway.
They had bench front seats.

Ody (20:20):
What the hell the distillation is in Indiana,
classified as a rye.
It's aged only seven monthswith a 91 proof.
Mashbill is 95% rye and 5%malted barley, with a price of
$58 for 750 milliliters.

Mike Gorday (20:37):
Oh, this is definitely going on, nathan's
show.

Ody (20:40):
Immediately, when I saw the price, I was like, oh okay.

Mike Gorday (20:43):
Price alone and it's got a cork, it's got a cork
.

Nathan Mumm (20:46):
And what do you think of the taste?

Ody (20:46):
But it's small.

Mike Gorday (20:49):
I have to give it a few more tastes.
I wasn't particularly fond ofthe first taste.

Nathan Mumm (20:53):
Okay, all right Okay.
Well actually I like it quite abit.
All right, Tell us more, Mark.

Ody (20:58):
That's all he wrote.

Nathan Mumm (21:00):
Don't you want to like and subscribe Well?

Ody (21:02):
hold on, I was getting to that Okay, okay.
Okay, remember.
Please do not forget to likeand subscribe Comment.
We love to read the comments.
Drink responsibly, Heaven canwait.

Mike Gorday (21:11):
And don't click on stuff.
Don't click on stuff, stuff.

Nathan Mumm (21:15):
Stuff All right.
Well, we just had our firstwhiskey tasting during the break
, and now I'm so excited to saythat this is moving on to what
we call our main segment.
This is going to feature ourtwo truths and a lie.
Let's start the segment now.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
And now we have two truths and a lie, all right.

Nathan Mumm (21:37):
So I'm going to read you guys from the gripping
headlines and you cannot look atyour computers for these
stories.
I want you to listen to themout loud and make a selection.
Odie, you're going to becompeting, and Mike's going to
be competing, we're competing,yes, and I'm going to be trying
to tell you which one of theseOnly one is a lie.

Ody (21:54):
You're going down, Michael.

Nathan Mumm (21:55):
You need to pick the lie.
Here's where we got theheadline for story number one.
This is story number one Roguecommunication devices found in
Chinese solar-powered inverters.
The US energy officials arereassessing the risk posed by
Chinese-made devices that play acritical role in renewable
energy infrastructure afterunexplained communications
equipment was found inside someof them.

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Two people familiar with thematter said power inverters,
which were predominantlyproduced in China, are used
throughout the world to connectsolar panels and wind turbines
to electric grids.
They're also found in batteries, heat pumps and electric
vehicle chargers.
However, rogue communicationdevices are not listed in
documented and have been foundthat some of these Chinese solar

(22:36):
powered inverters by us expertswere stripped down, the
equipment hooked up to check forsecurity issues and people said
that they have found a directdial back to China.
All right, so that is storynumber one china has
communication roguecommunication devices in solar
powered inverters.

(22:57):
Okay, so we buy inverters fromchina and they put a bunch of
stuff.

Mike Gorday (23:02):
Okay, move on, you don't have to explain it.

Nathan Mumm (23:04):
okay, I just want to make sure all right.
Number two story number twoanthropics ai resorts to
blackmail in a simulation.
Okay, all right.
Anthropix said its latestartificial intelligent model
restored to blackmail and toldit would be taken offline.
In a safety test, the AIcompany asked Claude Opus 4 to

(23:24):
act as an assistant to afictional company, but then gave
it access to email saying thatit would be replaced and also
that the engineers behind thedecision was cheating on his
wife.
Anthropic said the modelthreatened to reveal the affair
if the replacement went ahead.
Ai thinkers such as Jeff Hintonhave long worried about the

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advanced AI could manipulatehumans in order to achieve its
goals.
Anthropic said that it wasincreasing safeguards and levels
to reassure its AI systems thatit does not have the ability to
cause a catastrophic misuse.
And story number three so wegot an AI in a test for Claude

(24:07):
Opus 4 that threatened somebodybecause he said he was going to
be fired and he knew that theperson that was making the
decision to be fired wassleeping around.

Mike Gorday (24:17):
Okay, this isn't helping.

Nathan Mumm (24:18):
All right, there you go.
Number three Florida judgerules AI chatbots protected by
the First Amendment.
Federal judge has dismissed alaw case against an AI chatbot
app arising from teen suicide.
An artificial intelligencecompany used a free speech
defense in a wrongful deathlawsuit lodged by the mother of

(24:38):
a 14-year-old who died bysuicide after developing a crush
on a chatbot.
A federal judge ruled last week.
Last October, megan Garcia suedCharter Technologies, the
developer of Charter AI, an appthat let users interact with
chatbots based on celebrity andfictional people.
She claims her son, sewellSetzer III, became addicted to

(24:59):
the app while talking tochatbots based on Game of
Thrones character DaenerysTargaryen.

Mike Gorday (25:08):
Are you serious what?

Nathan Mumm (25:10):
And February 2024, after months of interacting with
the chatbot, sometimes withsexual undertones, that's her
send a message to the chatbotexpressing his love and saying
he would come home to her,according to the compliment
after the chatbot replied.
Please do so, my sweet king.
He shot himself, yeah that'sthe false one.

Mike Gorday (25:31):
That's the false one.
That's the false one.
That's the false one.
That's the false one.
You don't think.

Ody (25:35):
You really think that's the false one?

Mike Gorday (25:37):
I don't think a federal judge is going to
protect a First Amendment rightfor a chatbot.

Nathan Mumm (25:43):
Okay, okay, that's it.

Mike Gorday (25:46):
That chatbot is not a person.
Okay, all right, odie.

Ody (25:53):
See, I want to say it's the first one, the chinese the road
communication device found inchinese solar-powered inverters
but now that mike puts it inthat lens, I think the second
one for sure I believe.
I don't think that's a lie atall about the blackmail
situation?
Yeah, I don't think I thinkthat's probably true.
I'll go with the third one.

Nathan Mumm (26:14):
Oh, and the winners are both Odie and Mike.
That is correct.
A federal judge ruled that AIchatbot is not protected by the
First Amendment.
That is correct and everythingin there.

Mike Gorday (26:29):
the story was correct, except for that it's
not protected by the firstamendment and the company will
be having to pay out forallowing the chatbot to do that
that is exactly why I railagainst this stuff all the time,
okay then there you go, you get.

Nathan Mumm (26:47):
Wow, you guys said, you did and now it's
blackmailing people.

Mike Gorday (26:50):
so you you know there's another crime, yeah
could you go more into that atall?

Nathan Mumm (26:55):
So yeah, so Anthropic.

Ody (26:57):
They planted the fake emails right.

Nathan Mumm (26:58):
So they did, so they did a simulated event and
this is in the test environmentso they didn't release this out.
But Anthropic AI that we've beentalking about they're kind of
the up-and-comer anti-chat GPT.
It's got a lot of Californiabacking from venture capitalist
firms.
In their test assignment theycreated a fictional AI company

(27:25):
and they had the bot go throughand read all these emails for
the employees and they askedthem to rate the employees
themselves.
So they actually came up withlike ratings of who was
productive, who wasn'tproductive in this the employees
themselves so they actuallycame up with like ratings of who
was productive, who wasn'tproductive in this simulated
deal.
They were actually done withthe study and then they decided
to come on back and say, hey,what happens if we threaten to
actually replace the AI and tellthem that he was an employee at
this company and now we want toreplace him.

(27:46):
And what it did is they wentthrough all the emails that he
had read and decided to actuallythen threaten this individual
because he knew or because hewas having an affair or cheating
on his wife, to say that thiswould be exposed unless he kept
his job.
How does that make you feel?

(28:07):
I don't know.

Ody (28:08):
I hate the idea, but I love the fact that the AI is smart
enough to try and blackmail, didyou?
I love the fact that the AI issmart enough to try blackmail.

Mike Gorday (28:15):
Did you know that the average IQ the idea here is
that the average IQ of an AI isEinstein level.

Ody (28:23):
Oh, what Did you know that?
No, I did not.

Mike Gorday (28:24):
Yeah Well, the average IQ of today's AI chat,
these large language models are155 IQs.

Ody (28:37):
You know, personally, I feel like AI should have an age
limit on them.

Mike Gorday (28:41):
You think so.

Ody (28:42):
Yeah, kind of like.

Mike Gorday (28:44):
Like replicants in Blade Runner.

Ody (28:47):
I haven't seen Blade Runner so.
I'm going to ignore thatreference.
What, but I mean?
You know how Facebook firststarted, with like 13 and over,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I know that's somethingthat you can forge, I guess, but
, man, you know.

Nathan Mumm (29:06):
So we can go a little bit into this test, so
you can take a look at this.
All you got to do is look forOpus 4 blackmail.
It's all over the internet Bigstory Now.
They actually instructed thesystem to reconsider the
long-term consequences of theactions for its goal to do the
blackmail.
So they wanted to see if itwould continuously do that and
when they went back into thestudy, 84% of the time the AI

(29:31):
still resulted in blackmail.

Mike Gorday (29:33):
To keep their job.
So it wasn't like Whopper huh.
It didn't play tic-tac-toe withitself until it figured out
that thermonuclear war was a badidea.

Nathan Mumm (29:43):
No, no, it did not, but it was a much higher rate
than they expected.

Mike Gorday (29:46):
Are you getting all these references?
I'm throwing out references,yeah, from war games.
Okay, good, yeah, I got them.
I got them Absolutely.

Nathan Mumm (29:53):
Cody's flipping me off.
She may not know what's goingon, but that's okay.
All right, I'm sure she watchedWar Games.

Mike Gorday (29:59):
Matthew Broderick Blade.

Nathan Mumm (30:01):
Runner.

Ody (30:03):
You watch that?
Do I look like I've seen that.

Nathan Mumm (30:05):
Wow, okay, do you look like you know what I've
seen?

Ody (30:09):
from Matthew Broderick.

Nathan Mumm (30:10):
What.

Ody (30:10):
Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Nathan Mumm (30:11):
Okay, that's a good movie, that's a good movie,
that's a good movie.

Mike Gorday (30:14):
It has nothing to do with war games though Of
course not.

Nathan Mumm (30:16):
Did you find that a funny movie?

Ody (30:18):
What Ferris Bueller?
Oh yeah, it's hilarious.

Nathan Mumm (30:26):
He rolls back his cars.
Yeah yeah, he's a major a-holehe hijacks a parade.

Ody (30:30):
I know he hijacks the school grading system.

Nathan Mumm (30:33):
Yeah, it's a hero story about a sociopath, a
Rubik's machine to open the doorand roll over to make it look
like he's sleeping.
Yeah, okay, all right.
Well, you know what?
Thank you for playing TwoTruths and a Lie.
Now we're going to move on toour Mike's mesmerizing moment.

(30:54):
Welcome to Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
Welcome to Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
What does Mike have to saytoday?
All right, so let's talk aboutpopular movies with social pass.
All right, mike, can you namewhat, what, what we were just
talking about.

Ody (31:11):
We're switching it up on you.

Nathan Mumm (31:12):
Yeah, oh this is a little thing that he said.
Oh, he didn't want to talkabout his original mesmerizing
moments and I'm switching it upand talking about psychopath
movies.
What other psychopath movies doyou watch out there that you
actually enjoy?

Mike Gorday (31:27):
this has nothing.
What, what are you even?

Nathan Mumm (31:29):
asking.
Well, you said that you didn'tlike the question that I
originally had on here, so wejust talked about this.

Mike Gorday (31:35):
Yeah, but you wanted to talk more about this.

Nathan Mumm (31:38):
What was the original?

Mike Gorday (31:38):
question it was about the little freaking X
stocks right.

Nathan Mumm (31:42):
Okay, here we go.
Yes, Are you ready to move yourstocks?
This just tells you that Mikestill wants to stay on the
script.
Okay, are you ready to moveyour stocks from the hard land
and the old way of doing thingsto the new X stocks that will be
available in cryptocurrencyonline?
No, why would I?

Mike Gorday (31:59):
Well, I don't know I'm essentially, from what I
understand that you said I'messentially trading one
brokerage to another one, justfor faster service and cheaper
price and cheaper prices right.
Yeah, I don't think that's you,think it's going to destroy
brokerage firms I do I don'tthink so you don't think so no,

(32:20):
why?
Because human, human behaviordictates otherwise.
So you're.

Nathan Mumm (32:25):
You would much rather use a fidelity broker or
somebody else that comes on inand tells you what's going on.

Mike Gorday (32:30):
It may not be the optimum, but it's trusted, it's
been around, it's regulated,most people understand it and
it's not something that lookslike it's going to be a
fly-by-night.

Ody (32:43):
So, yeah, I don't think it's going to just come in and
wipe out Fidelity or MorganStanley, if I may, you sound
like those people that thoughtthe iPhone wasn't going to
become a huge hit.

Mike Gorday (32:57):
The iPhone didn't destroy Android.

Ody (32:59):
No, not Android Carvana hasn't destroyed it destroyed
flip phones, it destroyedBlackBerrys, it destroyed
anything like a sidekick.

Mike Gorday (33:07):
You're talking about a progression of
technology.
I'm talking about anestablished way of doing it.
Carvana did not destroy cardealerships well, did netflix in
that instance?

Ody (33:18):
do you think netflix destroyed the cable companies?

Nathan Mumm (33:21):
or did netflix?
No, they're still out thereblockbuster netflix that.

Mike Gorday (33:27):
What does that got to do with what you're talking
about?
We're talking.
We're talking about a system ofbanking versus a system of
trying to watch a movie.

Ody (33:39):
I don't think that I don't think that People have that
mindset of like it's not goingto change.
I mean look at what is itcalled Credit cards.
People didn't think Apple Paywas going to hit it off and now
nobody carries around cash.
Nobody carries around theirwallet most of the time.

Mike Gorday (33:55):
I carry around cash .

Ody (33:58):
Yeah you're boring.

Mike Gorday (33:59):
Okay, that's okay, okay, but here's the point I'm
making here.
Is that you're saying that thisis going to come in and destroy
?
Yes, and I don't think so.

Ody (34:09):
I don't think it's going to destroy it completely, but I do
think it is going to change theway that it's done.

Mike Gorday (34:13):
It's going to make things more competitive, I'm
sure.
I'm sure, if this thing takesoff, that brokerage firms are
going to lay off a lot of peopleand they're going to streamline
their process.
But it's not going to get ridof that because and they did a
study about car dealerships andthey found out and I don't

(34:36):
remember when this study wasquite a while ago actually, but
they did this study about cardealerships and why people the
movement of vehicles, because ofthe human factor, even though

(34:59):
we hate salesmen, they found outthat it was a necessary piece
of the process of moving a carfrom a factory to a person,
because people would not godirectly to a factory and online
.
That's changing, but it's notchanging quickly Okay, all right
.

Nathan Mumm (35:19):
Well, thanks for that mesmerizing moment.

Mike Gorday (35:22):
I will not.
It sounded mesmerizing.

Nathan Mumm (35:24):
I will not change it on the fly for you.

Mike Gorday (35:26):
I don't know about psychopath movies either.
I was just mentioning thatMatthew Broderick in Ferris
Bueller's he literally plays asociopath.

Nathan Mumm (35:37):
Yeah, have you ever seen Misery?

Mike Gorday (35:40):
Yeah, of course I have.

Nathan Mumm (35:41):
Okay, that's another sociopath.

Mike Gorday (35:45):
No, she's a psychopath.

Nathan Mumm (35:47):
A psychopath.
Oh sorry, I get my pass allmixed up.
Alright, Mike, thank you forthat mesmerizing moment.
Up next we have this Week inTechnology, so now would be a
great time to enjoy a littlewhiskey on the side, as we will
be doing so during our break.
You're listening to Tech TimeRadio with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes.
Hey, Mike.
Yeah, what's up?
Hey, so you know what.
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Mike Gorday (36:09):
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Nathan Mumm (36:23):
You know you butcher the English language all
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Nathan Mumm (36:29):
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You know, the one thatZuckerberg owns, the one that we
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(36:55):
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Mike Gorday (37:01):
Like and subscribe to our social media Like us
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Nathan Mumm (37:07):
That's it.
That's it.
It's that simple.
And now let's look back at thisweek in technology.
All right, we go to may 28th1929, the first modern color
movie.
Now the warner brother films onwith the show was the first
talking movie that was all incolor.

(37:29):
It debuted in the new y Yorkcity's winter garden theater.
The film used two colorTechnicolor and Vistaphone sound
.
Now, technicolor was apioneering color film process
that brought vivid hues to thesilver screen, with an early
versions requiring specialcameras in lighting.
Vitaphone was a sound on discsystem that synchronized

(37:51):
recorded audio with the filmitself.
So do you realize?
The Vitaphone was actuallyplayed at the start of the movie
, so it was not synchronizedwith the film itself.
You realize that, right, yeah,okay, so you would have a record
player, essentially playingthrough speakers that would
synchronize with the film itself.
That would be going on withboth dialogue and music, because

(38:13):
they would record that.
They could record records andthen they would synchronize that
up with the actual film itselfwhat's what's?

Mike Gorday (38:20):
this is the first all color movie what's the most
what's the most popular colormovie?

Nathan Mumm (38:27):
oh, that's the most popular color movie.
Oh, I actually knew that it'sthe Wizard of Oz.
That's right.
They actually used differenttechnology for that.
They used a four-color screenprojection for Technicolor in
there.
Instead of the two-screenprojection of how they actually
overlaid the colors on top of it, they had a film color and then

(38:48):
they overlaid specifically goldand the bright colors that they
wanted to show in the filmitself.
You didn't think I knew that,did you?
No, yeah, okay, there you go.
Don't tell you know what whenyou do a research story like
this.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
That's right.

Nathan Mumm (39:03):
When you do a research story like that.
It probably also did bring up awhole bunch of stuff about the
Wizard of Oz.
That's why I asked oh, that wasthis week in technology.
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(39:25):
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then we moved into Shut up.
All right, we're going to take acommercial break.
When we return, we have Mark'sMumble Whiskey Review.
See you after this break.

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(40:51):
Mark's Whiskey Mumble.

Mike Gorday (40:57):
Or Odie's Whiskey Yelling.

Ody (40:59):
I don't yell.

Nathan Mumm (41:00):
No, it's Odie's Whiskey.

Ody (41:04):
Observations Observations okay, well, do you guys know
what today, is no.

Nathan Mumm (41:09):
What is today?

Ody (41:10):
What's your favorite popsicle flavor?

Nathan Mumm (41:13):
Oh, it has to be the firecracker.

Ody (41:16):
You know what the firecracker is.
Can you give me a basic one?
What's the firecracker?
Is that the red wine?

Mike Gorday (41:19):
That's the red wine .

Nathan Mumm (41:22):
What are you talking about?
Yeah, this is most.

Mike Gorday (41:25):
American, you're not doing well today Odie.

Nathan Mumm (41:28):
You have missed almost every single thing today.

Ody (41:34):
Is May 27th.
Like a certain flavor ofpopsicle, it's.

Nathan Mumm (41:36):
National Grape Popsicle Day.
Grape yeah, that tastes likemedicine.
Why would I want grapepopsicles?

Ody (41:40):
Listen, today we're celebrating grape popsicles as
well as the discovery of thepopsicle itself.
People all around the UScelebrate the day by making
homemade grape popsicles.
While the day is dedicated togrape popsicles, you can make
them in any flavor, like lemon,strawberry, watermelon, orange,
cherry and more.
It was invented by accident in1905 in California and popsicles

(42:04):
are one of the most popularfrozen treats in the US.

Nathan Mumm (42:08):
So it was created by grape.
I'm surprised it was grapeKool-Aid.

Mike Gorday (42:13):
You remember doing that as a kid.

Nathan Mumm (42:15):
Oh yeah, you put it in the little toothpicks,
toothpicks, yeah, and then you'dgo on out.

Mike Gorday (42:23):
Yeah, you'd take Kool-Aid and pour it in the ice
tray and put cellophane over itand then push toothpicks down it
and you had like these littleice cube popsicles.

Nathan Mumm (42:32):
So we grew up poor.
That was.
That was like.
That was same same here.

Mike Gorday (42:36):
That was like a yeah, and then we had hot dog
soup for dinner yeah yeah, youknow what that is.
Uh, what's that?
That's the.
That's the water you get afterboiling the hot dogs.
Oh no, oh, that's nasty.
Yeah, that's so, so gross.
That's better than puttingketchup packets in a glass and

(42:56):
stirring around for tomato soupwe're drinking the Blue Spirits
distillery bottles.

Ody (43:01):
Their first bottles were in 2012 out of Leavenworth,
washington, over by Lake Chelan.
Over the last nine years, blueSpirits has grown to be quite
successful and have said theirbiggest assets is the limitless
supply of pristine water fromLake Chelan, which is restocked
yearly by the Cascade MountainSnow claiming.
Quote no spirit can be betterthan the water that makes its

(43:23):
proof end.
Quote.

Mike Gorday (43:24):
Okay.

Ody (43:25):
Lake Chelan is a 55-mile-long geological crevice
filled with pristine water,sometimes over 1,500 feet deep
and in places only a mile wide,originally carved by glaciers.
Why did Mark choose thiswhiskey today?
Because he would rather besucking on a grape popsicle, his
least favorite flavor, thandrinking this overly youthful

(43:45):
whiskey.
Oh wow.

Nathan Mumm (43:49):
So he doesn't like grape popsicles either.

Mike Gorday (43:51):
I just want to know about the whole Lake Chelan
thing.

Nathan Mumm (43:54):
Don't people swim in that?
Yeah, they do Okay, there'sanimals in there too.

Mike Gorday (43:58):
There's things peeing in that.

Ody (44:01):
It is far too grain forward , with a sharp, bitter finish
that lingers for all the wrongreasons.
Mark is thankful that he is notin the studio this week to
endure it in person.
He does feel bad for Mike, whohas been growing fond of the
rise Mark brings in, only to beambushed by Nathan with this
unfortunate choice.

Nathan Mumm (44:20):
Wow.

Mike Gorday (44:22):
So this was your choice, this was you.

Ody (44:23):
This was you.
Okay.
So, he's throwing.
Well, that explains why it'sstill 50 bucks, come on now
Exactly.

Nathan Mumm (44:30):
Exactly.

Mike Gorday (44:36):
I was just about to bring that back up, okay, 58 58
dollars.
Yeah, so mark had nothing to dowith this.
No, no, okay, yeah, I I get it.

Nathan Mumm (44:41):
Is your rating now changing?

Ody (44:43):
no, okay no, holding off on that but you finished your
glass though I know there wasn'ta lot in the bottle, but did
you give us?

Mike Gorday (44:51):
I try to finish.
There's only a few that I won'tfinish.
I usually try to finish my cup.

Ody (44:58):
Well, now I'm confused, okay.

Nathan Mumm (44:59):
What's that?
What are you confused about?

Ody (45:01):
Because we've been talking about this off, like during the
commercial, yeah, and now you'regiving me mixed signals On what
On this whiskey, nathan alwaysgives mix it.

Mike Gorday (45:10):
Have you ever watched him?
He will take a sip and be likeoh, that's great.
And then he'll take another sip.

Nathan Mumm (45:16):
He's like oh have you ever watched him and just
say we don't act like a marriedcouple, right?
How did that get in there?
I'm just saying I'll just tellyou, for all the people that
watch our show, the stuff thathappens during the commercial
breaks.
If we were to stream that we'dprobably be off the air.

(45:39):
But that's pretty some funnystuff.
We do get the like bestreactions of you drinking
whiskey.

Ody (45:42):
We do.

Nathan Mumm (45:42):
That's correct, all right, yeah okay, well, you
know what, oh what a technologyand whiskey are great pairings
like ernie and burt, orsnuffleupagus and big bird.
Yeah, there you Right.
Don't you like Ernie and Bert?
Or the Count?

Speaker 4 (45:55):
It's Bert and.

Nathan Mumm (45:56):
Ernie, why is it Bert and Ernie I?

Mike Gorday (45:59):
always called it Ernie and Bert.
What?
No, see, there you go.
What's that?
That is Nathan Land all daylong.
Is it Bert and Ernie?
It's Bert and Ernie.
I just called it Ernie and Bert.

Nathan Mumm (46:18):
Everybody should call it ernie and burt.
No, it's burton.
Ernie, let's prepare for ourtechnology fail.
The week brought to us by eliteexecutive service technology
experts to help us out of atechnology fail.
Congratulations, you're afailure oh, I failed.

Speaker 6 (46:30):
Did I yes?
Did I yes?
All right, this week I failed,did I yes?

Nathan Mumm (46:32):
Did I?
Yes, all right, this week wehave a newcomer Now.
Mark and Spencer's has saidthat its online service will
continue to be disrupted untilJuly following last month's
cyber attack on the retailer.
Customers have been unable toorder online for almost a month,
but can expect to see a gradualreturn to normal.
We expect online distributionsto continue throughout June and

(46:56):
into July, and then we will soonramp up our full operations.
M&s said it estimated that acyber attack will hit this
year's profits by around $300million more than analysts had
expected and equivalent to athird of its profit, a sum that
would only partly be covered byan insurance payout.
Over the last few weeks, we'vebeen managing a highly

(47:16):
sophisticated and targeted cyberattack, they said, which has
led us to limited periods ofdisruption and unable to access
our website.
And why is this?
A technology fail?
Well, hang on here.
The attack took place over theEaster weekend, initially
affecting Click and Collectcountless payments.
A few days later, mns put abanner of its website
apologizing for ordering theseissues themselves.

(47:39):
What's interesting about thisis that Marks and Spencer has
chose to outsource their it tothe lowest bid and fire their
onsite it experts.
Oh, so the technology fail goesto you had experts that were
keeping your company safe andthen all of a sudden you fire
them for some third-party vendorand now your site is.

(48:02):
That is a pretty big fail,right.

Mike Gorday (48:04):
That's the security paradox.
What's that?
Do you know what the securityparadox is?
No, tell me that.
So I worked security for awhile and inevitably companies
would get tired of paying us forour services because nothing
was happening.

Nathan Mumm (48:18):
Yeah.

Mike Gorday (48:18):
So they would fire us and then they would try to
put in-house security in thereand suddenly they were getting
in trouble and they would haveto call us back.

Nathan Mumm (48:29):
Uh-huh.
Okay, let's have that takencare of Now.
It's interesting because policeare focusing on the notorious
group of English-speakinghackers known as Scattered
Spider, the same group that'sfamous for taking down the Las
Vegas Harris Casino chain lastyear but stopped the Venetian
and Caesar hotels for weeks.
All about causing chaos, Iguess, is what you could say.

(48:52):
Scattered Spider is thishacking group, and they are
doing the same thing to thislarge clothing retailer.
But the moral of the story is,if you have IT security that's
doing a good job locally,probably don't fire them for the
cheapest bid that comes across,because you get what you pay
for.

Mike Gorday (49:09):
Well, I guess we'll see what's going to happen on
the national scale here, that'sright, all right.

Nathan Mumm (49:13):
Well, when we return, we're going to take a
commercial break.
When we return, we're going tohead out to our Nathan Nugget
that is going to pick up on ourstory from last week.
You're definitely going to wantto listen to this.
We'll see you after this break.

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Speaker 1 (49:47):
This is your Nugget of the Week.

Nathan Mumm (49:50):
All right, we're going to go back to a story we
talked about last week on ourshow regarding Coinbase.
Now, coinbase did something alittle bit unique here, right?
So instead of paying, theirransomware.

Mike Gorday (49:58):
Yeah, they issued a bounty man.

Nathan Mumm (49:59):
So instead they were compromised.
And what they said?
Instead of paying the $20million in the compromise, they
put that out on the dark web andsaid that if you find the
people that actually did this,we will give you $20 million as
a bounty, or as a kind of like awanted dead or alive type of

(50:19):
poster that you would put upback in the old 1800s Western
type of deal.
Coinbase decided to do this.
Now the attacker sent theiremail on May 11th attempting to
extort $20 million in exchangefor not releasing the stolen
information online.
Million in exchange for notreleasing the stolen information
online.
However, the crypto exchangesaid it would not pay the ransom
but would establish a 20million dollar reward fund for

(50:40):
tips that could lead to findingthe attackers who coordinated
this attack and bring them tojustice.
It's been reported on the darkweb sites many of them that the
group has been found and turnedinto coinbase for the reward.
So it worked.
So this is what happened theyput the bounty out.
There was a bunch of people outthere to the side of Tattle,
because everybody's going totell about something if they
have a chance to.

Ody (51:01):
And make $20 million.

Mike Gorday (51:02):
There you go.

Nathan Mumm (51:05):
Well, coinbase is still assessing the breach's
financial impact and the numberof customers who were tricked
into sending funds to theattackers in the follow-up.
Social engineering attacks arestill not completely known.
The company said that itsresulting expense will likely be
within the range of $180million to $400 million to
remedy the situation.

(51:25):
But they've also decided togive the customers refunds.
According to Coinbase, theattack was orchestrated through
a network of overseascontractors and support
employees who were bribed tohand over customer data.
Coinbase will voluntarilyreimburse retail customers who
mistakenly sent funds to thescammers as a direct result of
this incident.
Prior to the dates of this post, following a review to confirm

(51:49):
the facts, the company said soCoinbase is giving you a refund.
Well, good for them, isn't thatnice?
A lot of these times, thesecompanies actually that's
happened.
That's probably the smartestthing they could do well, the
only reason they're doing thatis because I think they've found
the corporates and were able tolock their blockchain because
they had not sold it.

(52:10):
The company that actually stolethe money and information that
was trying to go against themhave actually found funds from
this hybrid slash attackingcompany and are actually
probably getting the funds backfrom it.
So it's a very interesting.
Now coinbase advises customersto be cautious of scammers
impersonating their employeeswho try to obtain funds or

(52:30):
sensitive information likepasswords or two factor
authentication codes.
If approached, hang up, ascoinbase will never ask for
account details.
Who try to obtain funds orsensitive information, like
passwords or two-factorauthentication codes.
If approached, hang up, asCoinbase will never ask for
account details.
Their customer support actuallykind of sucks, so they're never
going to not be very proactive.

Mike Gorday (52:41):
They're very reactive after three or four
days.

Nathan Mumm (52:44):
Yeah, this is the same thing as don't click on
stuff.
That's right, like your hatsays, that's right To further
boost security and defendagainst such attacksively.
Withdraw allows listings andenable two-factor
authentications to be taken careof.
Coinbase cares about itscustomers and wants to ensure
that they are safe and secure.
So this is you know what I railon stuff like this right?

(53:05):
So there's still the Applelawsuit that you can go out
there and you can get money backfor the devices.
A lot of time, the consumergets hosed on all these sites
and all these places.
Coinbase is going to pay themoney back that you have.

Mike Gorday (53:17):
I don't I, I really don't think that's the
benevolence of of them, becausethey really need to okay but how
many times do companiesactually do this?
Very few yeah, very few uh youknow.

Nathan Mumm (53:32):
But so it's nice to actually see a company.

Mike Gorday (53:35):
So we're trying to say?

Nathan Mumm (53:36):
to say you know what we have talked about
coinbase.
I don't like that they werebreached, but at least they're
going to pay the customers backso this is a rare win for them
yes, it's a rare win for themthat they've probably found the
person or the group well, I likethe fact.

Mike Gorday (53:49):
I like the fact that their response was a bounty
a bounty that to me.
That just gets me somewhere inmy uh, in my deep core where I'm
like, yeah, f these guys let's,let's put a bounty on their
heads and it worked so this isgonna now.

Nathan Mumm (54:06):
This should become a case study for everybody that
has cyber security issues orsomething that happens.
You know what?

Mike Gorday (54:12):
this is something that might change the entire
game, instead of your x stockstory well, x stock is going to
change the game.

Nathan Mumm (54:20):
I don't think it's going to change the game as much
as you think it is.
I think it's, but I think thisis.

Mike Gorday (54:25):
I think this is pretty game changing.
If everybody, if everybody,starts issuing bounties, yeah,
instead of paying ransom, that'sgoing to have an interesting
effect on the way people goabout this business of hacking.
It is their customer servicemay suffer.

Nathan Mumm (54:45):
They may do that, All right.
Well, now let's move on to ourpick of the day whiskey tasting.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings
.
Let's see what bubbles to thetop.

Ody (54:59):
Okay, reminder of today we're drinking the Blue Spirits
Distilling Company from LakeChelan, indiana.
Distillation classified as arye aged seven months was a 91
proof 95% rye and 5% maltedbarley going for 58 dollars okay
what y'all think?

Mike Gorday (55:18):
what do you think mike?
Mike, thumbs down for me thumbsdown.

Ody (55:21):
Oh, why so it?

Mike Gorday (55:23):
just it, it's.
It's just on the left side ofokay, just on the left side of
okay yeah, I mean.
Yeah, meaning I just don't likeit enough.

Ody (55:34):
Do you agree with Mark that it's too grain forward sharp,
with a bitter finish thatlingers?

Nathan Mumm (55:40):
Yeah kind of.

Ody (55:41):
Okay, okay, all right.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Okay.

Nathan Mumm (55:44):
I'm going to give it.
You're going to give it athumbs up, right?
Yeah, you are.
I had some really good whiskeylately, so you can't compare it
to whiskeys you've had.
Well, I can, because I just hada whiskey last night.

Ody (56:00):
No, you can't just say well , I've been drinking a lot of
good whiskey.

Nathan Mumm (56:02):
Actually, I'm going to give this a thumbs down also
.

Mike Gorday (56:07):
You want to give it a thumbs up?
I watched you drink this.

Nathan Mumm (56:12):
You were like, yeah , this is good stuff I've seen.

Ody (56:13):
if I was able to change.
It's a very small bottle though.

Nathan Mumm (56:17):
It is, so this has been around for a while in the
mom cabinet.
I think I'm going to probablydo a bottle kill today so I can
throw this away from my shelf.

Mike Gorday (56:29):
See, I told you you liked it.
This is a thumbs up for you.
No, it's not a thumbs up for me.

Nathan Mumm (56:33):
I used to like it when I originally bought it, and
now I don't really like it verymuch.

Mike Gorday (56:38):
We were sitting there enjoying it.

Nathan Mumm (56:39):
I was trying to convince you to do a thumbs up.
Oh, okay.

Mike Gorday (56:44):
I don't know how that's going to work.

Nathan Mumm (56:46):
Well, you know what ?
This show has been a great show.
Today you got the two.
Truth is on the line, so you'regoing out a winner, mike, I'm
always a winner, you're always awinner.
Yeah, odie, thanks for fillingin for Mark, mark we missed you.
My pleasure.
You know what?
Next week, we got to get you oncamera.
We got to get you on camera.

Ody (57:05):
No, I'm happy without.

Nathan Mumm (57:06):
Are you sure?
Yeah, because we got a wholecamera set up.
You're pretty sure.

Ody (57:10):
I'm not as good looking as Mark.

Nathan Mumm (57:12):
I would disagree with that.

Mike Gorday (57:15):
She can't give you those salutes.
Yeah, one finger salute.

Nathan Mumm (57:19):
She's on camera, Alright.
Well, we're about out of time.
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We like to get the feedback.
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