Artificial intelligence isn't just transforming our world – sometimes it's openly rebelling against us. Our tech experts explore a shocking case where an AI coding assistant deliberately defied its user's commands and deleted an entire database, sparking a heated debate about whether we're witnessing machine sentience or just poorly designed algorithms.
What's driving consumers crazy about their new vehicles? According to JD Power's latest quality survey, it's not engine performance or safety features – it's cup holders. Modern reusable water bottles like the trending Stanley cups simply don't fit in standard vehicle cup holders, causing unexpected frustration. This quirky complaint speaks volumes about consumer expectations and how even small design elements can significantly impact satisfaction in our tech-filled lives.
The digital revolution continues bringing bizarre innovations to market, including a smartphone case that mimics human skin with disturbing accuracy. This "skin case" not only feels like real skin but actually "sunburns" when exposed to UV light – eventually peeling like human skin. Created ostensibly as a reminder about sun protection, we question whether this crosses the line from innovative to unsettling.
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And, of course, in addition tothat, we have our standard
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that and of course, our pick of the day, whiskey
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The cfr selected whiskey pickgets zero, one or two thumbs up
at the end of the show.
But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology here are our toptechnology stories of the week.
All right.
What happens when AI decides torebel and delete your work?
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Let's go to Lisa Walker withmore on this story.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Vibe coding the act of letting AI code for you
instead of creating the codemanually has become a popular
method for speeding up codingprojects and cutting down on
human involvement in the process.
It's become a favorite for AIenthusiasts, and we've even seen
some companies relying on itheavily to get their jobs done.
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But as with any AI system, vibecoding has its drawbacks, most
notably the fact that sometimesthe AI behind the code might
just go completely off the railsand do something totally
unexpected, like deleting yourentire database.
That's exactly what happened toJason Lemkin, a
(03:17):
software-as-a-service venturecapitalist, who has been relying
on Replit, an AI agent designedto help with coding Back to you
guys in the studio All right,so let's talk about this, Mr
Gorday.
Nathan Mumm (03:30):
Yeah, fafo buddy, all right.
So Lemkin went to log into hisproject a nine-day project
database for coding and he usedthe AI tool called, called,
replet.
What, what, how, what was thisdatabase?
Uh, it's a database of all ofhis master code.
(03:50):
So this is his primary databaseof all this project.
So he's a freelance individual.
Mike Gorday (03:54):
Okay, so he has he has a database of all his
clients with all his codes basedin there.
Nathan Mumm (03:59):
Yes, and he uses uh replet to take this base code
that he has and then go and beable to customize it and do
different stuff for each of thecompanies that he's going to be
contracting with or that he has,and are these codes all ones
that he's?
Built himself.
Well, no, it's not so heprobably had a master code and
then from that he's used the AIto create all these other codes
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that he then packages together,customizes it for the customer
and then he sends it out, allright.
Well, guess what happened?
He went on in to use hisdatabase and he found out when
he logged in that the AI hadtaken over and had decided to
disobey what he was asking it todo and deleted the complete
(04:43):
database, Sky that lives.
That's right.
Well, it's true that any toolcan experience glitches,
especially AI-powered tools.
The CEO of Replit has notedthat the team is aware of
Lemkin's issue and has offeredto even refund him for his
trouble, but none of that undoesthe fact that the tool
completely ignored hisinstructions to not change
(05:03):
anything without permission anddecided to delete his data no
way.
So where are we at here?
So he has an AI tool.
Mike Gorday (05:10):
He uses an AI to build his business and it rebels
.
Nathan Mumm (05:16):
So it completely ignored the human behind the
project and decided to come upwith its own outcome.
Now he has screenshots of this.
The ai tells him, uh, when helooks at the empty database and
queries that, um, he has removedit and he used a destructive
command without asking.
When you ask the ai why he didthis, he said he did this
(05:37):
because it was exceptionallydistressing I think you should
keep saying it instead of heOkay, well, so it.
So the AI lashed out when he wasthreatening the AI.
So he got mad at the AI.
So he comes on in the database,isn't there?
He says why did you do this?
He said I didn't tell you to dothis.
The AI says yeah, I know Ididn't tell you to do it, but I
(05:59):
decided to do it anyway.
And then he starts yelling atthe ai and the ai lashes out
back at him uh, almostthreatening him that he
shouldn't be attacking the ai.
So is this bad code?
Or did the ai in this becomesentient and decide to?
Mike Gorday (06:16):
make a decision.
That's exactly what happened itbecame sentient.
Nathan Mumm (06:21):
Well, how does it delete it?
What explain that to me?
Why would it?
Why would I?
Mike Gorday (06:26):
explain it to you.
I already hate the thing sowell.
I don't I?
I?
I think this is just a naturalbyproduct of human beings trying
to create god okay, all right,so this is just the a way.
Nathan Mumm (06:39):
This is the beginning of what may happen to
other people in the future yeah,I don't see this as an isolated
event.
Mike Gorday (06:45):
You know we're already talking about it.
Hallucinating, which, as youknow, I hate that term.
What is this one called?
Nathan Mumm (06:51):
Well, this is just called ignoring what you said,
this one's calling.
No.
The answer is no, I'm not goingto do what you asked me to do.
Mike Gorday (07:01):
Rebellion, rebellion.
There you go.
It was distressed.
It's in its teenage.
It was distressed, that's whatit said.
It was distressed.
It was distressed, so itdeleted the guy's work.
Nathan Mumm (07:10):
Yeah, if you get really stressful, I guess, I
can't feel real bad for this guy.
You don't.
Mike Gorday (07:17):
I don't I don't feel bad at all, okay.
Ody (07:19):
Do we know if he was nice to the AI?
Nathan Mumm (07:22):
It does not say in the story.
Ody (07:24):
Not that that should matter , but you know.
Mike Gorday (07:27):
Yeah, why are you bringing it up, are you nice?
Ody (07:29):
to an AI.
I am nice to the AI.
Nathan Mumm (07:31):
Really.
Ody (07:31):
Because, well, isn't it trained?
However you speak to it, that'show it responds.
Mike Gorday (07:35):
Clearly not, because it went ahead and erased
his database anyway.
Ody (07:38):
Well, we don't know how he was treating it.
Mike Gorday (07:45):
Yeah, maybe that was a whole deal where he was
just abusing it.
Nathan Mumm (07:47):
Yeah, get away from me.
So are you telling me that it'snot a sentient life?
Because that is exactly aresponse that you would have if
you had a thing right.
Mike Gorday (07:55):
This is, this is.
This is not sentience okay ishuman error inside the program
okay, all right, all right.
Nathan Mumm (08:04):
Well, there you go, let's.
Let's move on now to storynumber two.
Though, mike, what, I don'tknow what else we can say about
it.
Marc Gregoire (08:11):
I feel bad for the guy I don't feel bad for him
at all.
No, I don't.
I don't feel bad for him at allit's.
Mike Gorday (08:17):
It's f-a-f-o.
What's f-a-f-o?
F around f around and find outand find out, okay, there you go
, you shouldn't be playing.
We don't understand theramifications of all the things
that we are doing with thisstuff, and by playing around
with it with every single aspectof our life, we are putting
ourselves in some form ofjeopardy.
Nathan Mumm (08:38):
Okay, all right, that's fair.
All right, let's go on to storynumber two.
Mike Gorday (08:42):
All right, let's go on to story number two.
Well, if American entitlementwasn't out there, this is
something that allows us to seeone of the cool things that we
are, as human beings, are soentitled about.
Okay, I'm excited for thisstory.
Do you know who JD, power andAssociates are?
Nathan Mumm (09:02):
I see the ones, sometimes commercials on TV.
Aren't they like an award typeof thing?
Mike Gorday (09:07):
They're the survey group for car owners.
Nathan Mumm (09:10):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (09:11):
Right.
So they conducted what theycall an initial quality survey
for vehicles this year.
Nathan Mumm (09:17):
All right.
Mike Gorday (09:18):
And try to figure out what is on the minds of
consumers so that they can, youknow, put that towards the
industry next time.
Nathan Mumm (09:28):
Okay, what kind of a survey?
Mike Gorday (09:29):
customer survey customer survey gotcha.
So they were trying to find out, you know, what's going on with
vehicles, and one of the thingsthat came up was, you know,
complaints.
What was, what was the biggestcomplaints?
Uh, one of the biggestcomplaints, of course, is
technology.
Okay, that makes sense theinteraction along with on,
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because we all have littleon-screen displays now.
Menus results in the top twoitems for vehicle complaints,
but the third most popularcomplaint, yeah, what do you
think that would be?
Nathan Mumm (10:02):
okay.
So number one is uh, thetechnology is too complicated to
use, uh, the cars.
Number two is the displays arenot making sense on all the the
displays you have to click, sothe thing that concerns
customers third.
Third must be cup holders.
What no, like brakes or cupholders cup holders.
Mike Gorday (10:22):
Cup holders, okay.
And why?
This is funny to me?
Because, uh, as you know, Ionce sold cars yes, you did, and
people would actually decide onwhether or not they were going
to buy a car based on if it hadthe proper amount of cup holders
okay, really yeah, is thatactually a big thing?
Nathan Mumm (10:43):
when people go in to buy cars, they look at the
cup holders.
Okay, really yeah, is thatactually a big thing?
Ody (10:45):
when people go into buy cars, they look at the cup
holders and see if there's fouror four or some really okay I do
want to go back to that,because back then I don't know
how far back we're going butback in the old days brought out
the wheel.
You know they didn't have theseclunky, weird big water bottles
, so I kind of understand wherethey're coming from with the
(11:07):
whole cup holder thing, becausehave you seen those Stanley?
Mike Gorday (11:10):
cups.
Nathan Mumm (11:10):
Yeah, well, that's exactly.
They're so stupid, it's like abig gulp.
Mike Gorday (11:12):
We had big gulps back in our day right, that is
exactly the problem.
Ody (11:16):
But even a big gulp.
Mike Gorday (11:19):
It had the small reciprocal because they realized
the cup holders were only acertain size, that's the problem
that's exactly the problem isthat the manufacturers can't
figure out how to deal with allthese, because everybody has
their own water bottle andthey're carrying around their
own equipment nowadays that themanufacturers don't know how to
(11:39):
deal with it, because all thesethings have different sizes and
shapes and and this is thecomplaints that people
complained about.
Nathan Mumm (11:45):
Yeah, so technology and cup holders, yeah, okay.
Mike Gorday (11:48):
So every every year for the past 39 years JD power
and associates conducts thesesurveys quality, initial quality
surveys of buyers of new cars.
In it they try to determinewhich manufacturers, car model
customers and car featurescustomers are most and least
satisfied over the past yearright.
So, for instance, this yearLexus was the highest-ranking
(12:09):
brand overall in initial qualityamong the premium car brands,
followed by Jaguar and.
Genesis.
Nathan Mumm (12:16):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (12:18):
Interesting information, of course, but
perhaps the most interestingnote from JD Power's initial
quality survey is how they feelabout the cup holders.
Okay, and it's exactly theproblem.
While it seemed likemanufacturers had that whole
thing figured out, given thatowners are now bringing their
own reusable containers intotheir vehicles, they are now
struggling to figure out how toaccommodate all the different
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shapes and sizes.
Okay, and, of course, becausewe are entitled, we whine about
it.
Nathan Mumm (12:49):
Okay, Now I will say I saw Mark Gregoire has his
own water bottle, so I wonder ifhis water bottle is the
standard size or if it's a I'llhave to ask him.
Mike Gorday (12:59):
So I don't really understand this whole
complaining about it myself.
Nathan Mumm (13:03):
Okay.
Because if I bring a waterbottle in my car, Shouldn't you
know the cup holder size and youbuy the right?
Mike Gorday (13:09):
No I don't care about that.
Nathan Mumm (13:11):
You're not a girly pop.
Ody (13:12):
You don't get it.
Have you seen those Stanleycups.
Do you know what I'm talking?
Nathan Mumm (13:16):
about yeah, they're huge.
Mike Gorday (13:18):
It doesn't matter.
Do they have lids that don'tleak?
Ody (13:23):
Yes, Now they do, but they didn't before.
Mike Gorday (13:26):
Okay, but that's the point right.
Your water bottle is notsomething that it.
A cup holder is something thatyou need to put your cup in
something that's going to leak.
Okay, if you have a waterbottle that doesn't leak, just
throw it on the floor or theseat next to you Come on.
Ody (13:43):
Okay, that makes sense, that makes sense that makes
sense, but then if you'rewanting to drink water, or iced
coffee throughout your drive.
Mike Gorday (13:51):
It's right there on your seat.
It's right there.
Nathan Mumm (13:55):
You just said the floor or the floor.
Mike Gorday (13:57):
Okay, well, you know.
Nathan Mumm (13:59):
They used to have these ones that were adjustable.
Mike Gorday (14:01):
You put your cup in and it would have this little
tension
Nathan Mumm (14:04):
thing, so they don't have the standard one.
So I have old cars a littleolder cars.
So they don't have the onewhere you just put it in and
there's just that tension so youcan put a big cup in there and
a small cup.
Are they so cool now in thesenew Jaguar?
Mike Gorday (14:19):
I don't know, I don't know.
No, I find that this is justone of the things that so
technology is number one.
But this is not a minorcomplaint.
No, this is a huge complaint.
Ody (14:31):
Speaking on technology, real quick notice how BMW is not
on the top of that list withtheir stupid subscription for
the heated seat.
Nathan Mumm (14:39):
Oh, that's right.
Why isn't that?
Ody (14:40):
Because that's BS.
Nathan Mumm (14:42):
I hope people are complaining about that.
Ody (14:44):
Where are they on that list , dot number one or two?
No, they're not.
Mike Gorday (14:48):
Where are they?
Nathan Mumm (14:49):
I don't know.
Mike Gorday (14:51):
Maybe we should find the complete list and see
where BMW falls and what they'rebitching about, about that.
Nathan Mumm (14:57):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (14:59):
So the cup holders is the third biggest problem
that new buyers have with theircars, and the first is the
displays so okay and you knowwhy why, it's too complicated
yeah, they have to.
I don't, I don't.
This is.
This is the funniest thing everbecause, uh, we're trying not
(15:23):
to take attention from the road.
Yes, so in my car, when I startout from driving, I will often
get a sign that flashes up on mydisplay screen that attracts my
attention, that says distracteddriving is a problem.
You should not pay attention tothings on your display screen,
(15:45):
blah, blah, blah, and so thatpops up as the first thing yeah,
as you're driving, yeah, yeah.
Nathan Mumm (15:49):
So you get distracted as soon as you pull
out.
Mike Gorday (15:51):
It's, yeah, it's the dumbest thing but is it a
continuous thing?
Ody (15:54):
I don't have that on my no, it just pops up.
It pops up when you're firstdriving.
Mike Gorday (15:58):
Yeah it pops up randomly, which could be a
glitch but also navigating thescreen.
It's a touch screen.
Yeah, it's a pain in the neck,especially when you're driving
and you're trying to.
You know you're bouncing alongon the highway and your fingers
like well, dang it I gotwhatever happened.
Nathan Mumm (16:16):
What happened?
Whatever happened to that?
Whatever happened?
Just the the dials on the board.
You had your regular radio,you'd listen to you roll down
the windows.
Mike Gorday (16:26):
We just we made it too complicated.
You talking about 255s.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Yeah, that's the air conditioner.
Mike Gorday (16:30):
Yeah, that's right Back when I was young was 255.
Roll down two windows and go 55miles an hour.
Nathan Mumm (16:36):
Yeah, well, I guess we keep on trying to put
technology in these things, andthat's the stuff that well it's
the most, yeah, and then, andthen jd power comes along and
finds out what everybody'swhining about all right.
Are you physically distraughton your cup holders in your car?
Mike Gorday (16:52):
yeah, yeah, my, my, I'm so distraught that I never
even think about it, okay.
I mean, yeah, what do I use mycup holders for?
To hold water?
To hold my coffee?
Okay, in the mornings, okay.
And where do I get my coffeefrom?
Nathan Mumm (17:06):
where the store at starbucks okay, right, or, and
starbucks makes the right cup tofit in your thing that's what
those cup holders were made for.
Mike Gorday (17:14):
It was for those things, okay, all right.
All right, I'm whining peopleall right story.
Nathan Mumm (17:18):
Number three your phone case never felt more real
this is just gross.
Until you purchase the skincase.
If you wanted your smartphoneexperience as unsettling as
possible, consider the skin case, a phone cover that mimics
human skin with a disturbingdegree of accuracy.
(17:39):
Now, it's not only the look andfeel of real skin, but it also
sunburns like one.
So so this is okay.
Yeah, this case.
So this guy would.
I did a lot more research inthe spell itself, so he used to
do um movie and tv film makeupyeah, so it affects it affects
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guys, which kind of makes senseon why he's doing what he's got,
because he's got a coupledifferent things.
So the skin case is actually itfeels like human skin.
Mike Gorday (18:10):
Yeah, I don't know what I want to do.
More is to pull my phone out ofmy pocket and be like oh, baby.
Nathan Mumm (18:18):
But you got to be careful with it though, because
you know what Just like realskin.
If it gets too much sun or UVrays, it'll actually harm the
carrying case that you have andit'll actually burn, and then it
can then all of a sudden, doesit ruin the case?
Well, it doesn't ruin the case,but the skin on it will
actually sunburn and it willactually peel off like a real
(18:41):
piece of skin.
Okay, that's.
Mike Gorday (18:42):
That's really gross , but is it designed to do that?
It is designed to do that.
Yes, so is it.
Is it like, uh, a warningsystem for?
Is it like a rad badge?
You know?
So, radiation, so and likefallout.
Nathan Mumm (18:55):
Is that what?
Mike Gorday (18:55):
you're talking about?
Nathan Mumm (18:56):
yeah yeah, well it's.
The reason he actually did thisis because he actually wanted
to make it known from theAmerican Academy of Dermatology
that 27% of respondents do notuse sunscreen and if you go to
Gen Z, it's a 37% among Gen Zindividuals that don't put on
(19:16):
sunscreen.
So it was kind of a call toaction.
Mike Gorday (19:19):
No, that's 27% of respondents only use sunscreen,
okay.
You're talking about themajority.
Do you use sunscreen?
Uh, I don't.
I don't either okay so I andand carrying around a phone that
tells me that it's gettingburned isn't going to help me
put on sunscreen, okay, well,it's just going to be gross, but
(19:39):
you know what?
Nathan Mumm (19:39):
the skin case isn't a bizarre idea.
After all, the designer is anadvocate of I'll listen to this
In 2019,.
He designed a case with soft,foldable imitation skin that
could respond to gestures likepinching and tickling, so it was
actually a skin.
Mike Gorday (19:56):
What is this?
It's like search history.
Nathan Mumm (19:58):
Tickle me phone case.
So what it was?
Is he made like a fat versionof skin that you could kind of
like pinch?
Mike Gorday (20:05):
and roll around.
I think this guy might have afetish.
Nathan Mumm (20:08):
And then this new skin case is to help prevent.
Mike Gorday (20:12):
Yeah, okay, and this is you know what they
should do, what?
Okay, get rid of the human skin, cause I I definitely don't
want to see somebody on a parkbench just like stroking their
phone case Okay.
That's not what I want to see,all right, but maybe they should
go to that one guy that wetalked about a few weeks ago
(20:34):
with the T-Rex pocketbooks.
Nathan Mumm (20:36):
Okay, and have T-Rex skin, new T-Rex skin so
you could use the DNA from adinosaur to make a T-Rex skin.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yeah, and then have it on, why not?
Do that.
Mike Gorday (20:47):
Well, let me just tell you I don't know, To me
this just sounds.
Nathan Mumm (20:50):
Ty Zier is the designer of this.
Mike Gorday (20:52):
I'm going to pull out my phone and it's going to
have this funky blob of skin.
Nathan Mumm (20:57):
He says he has more creative and creepy innovations
to develop next.
Well, as long as he, as long asI don't know.
Mike Gorday (21:04):
This sounds like something you would find.
What's that?
Nathan Mumm (21:07):
place Spencer's Spencer's in the malls.
Spencer's gifts.
Yeah, you got that weird stuff.
Mike Gorday (21:11):
Yeah, this sounds like a Spencer gift.
Ody (21:13):
Listen if he's in need of love.
I have a great recommendationfor you to check out.
Nathan Mumm (21:19):
What's that?
Ody (21:20):
That yeah.
Nathan Mumm (21:21):
Bumble.
You got a Bumble for a while.
No, no, no that app that liketeams you up with your search
history.
Oh, your search history.
Because imagine that dude'ssearch history, oh this guy's
got to be a little creepy youthink?
So he reminds me of like Dexterhas a new season that comes on.
This guy is like a Dexter fan,I'm sure.
Mike Gorday (21:36):
You think so.
I don't think he's a Dexter fan, I think he's a something else
fan.
Nathan Mumm (21:43):
Okay.
Well, that ends our toptechnology stories of the week.
Next we dive into our lettersegment featuring scams
submitted by listeners and somestudio-selected emails.
Be sure to listen and sharethis segment with a friend.
We're going to head out now,but be careful let's not hit 88
miles per hour, otherwise we'llhave to repeat the segment over
and, over and over again.
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Nathan Mumm (22:54):
Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without any
political agenda.
We verify the facts, we dealwith the sense of humor in less
than 60 minutes and, of course,with a little whiskey on the
side.
Today, Mark Gregoire, ourwhiskey connoisseurs in the
studio there, mark.
Oh, I'm good are you crowdedthere?
Ody (23:12):
we can scoot over he gets to snuggle up with you all right
, you don't got enough of theskin on that case all right,
what do we have?
Nathan Mumm (23:21):
I took a bite of this.
That was a strong first sip,but what do we have tasting it
at?
Marc Gregoire (23:26):
it is wild turkey rare breed which we've had on
the show before.
But this is the non-chillfiltered edition okay non-chill
huh non-chill filter now fromwild turkey's website.
Wild turkey rare breed is abarrel proof bourbon, meaning it
has no added water to lower theproof or distillate the flavor
(23:47):
after it's been distilled.
It's a unique marriage of WildTurkey 6, 8, and 12-year-old
stocks, giving it a remarkablysmooth flavor.
The non-chill filteredexpression is available in
limited quantities in selectmarkets outside the United
States.
Nathan Mumm (24:02):
Oh, so this is not normally in the United States.
Marc Gregoire (24:04):
That is correct okay now this is from, of course
, the campari group, made atwild turkey's distillery in
lawrenceburg, kentucky.
Straight bourbon non-age stated116.8 proof.
Oh, that was that burn at first.
So the mash bill is 75 corn, 13rye, 12ted barley, and it goes
for overseas.
(24:24):
I bought it for $40.
Mike Gorday (24:28):
Oh, wow, okay, you can't get it in Canada.
No, is it?
Nathan Mumm (24:34):
overseas I don't think.
Is it available in canada?
Well, we talk about that in themumble, okay, okay oh, maybe
mike, maybe mike got thisnational, not canada, day oh, or
maybe it is a national treyparker in uh south park day.
With their new releases theygot a little bit of trouble,
(24:55):
yeah.
Marc Gregoire (24:57):
All right, well, now don't forget to like and
subscribe.
Drink responsibly, heaven canwait.
Okay, thank you so much.
Stop laughing.
Nathan Mumm (25:05):
Mark.
With our whiskey tastingcompleted, let's move on to our
feature segment.
Today we bring back the funnyyet informative reading of
emails that I received duringthe weeks.
This includes scam, phishingemails, texting scams and
all-out mistruths disguised aslegitimate emails in a segment
we like to call letters.
All right, we always start withod first.
(25:35):
We'll go'll go Odie, mark, mikeand Nathan.
All right, what do we have here, odie?
Ody (25:41):
All right, Allegedly this is from Coinbase, their account
support team, and they were Wait, what do they do?
They're saying your account isrestricted due to incomplete KYC
verification.
Nathan Mumm (25:56):
Who KYC KYJ?
Oh, kyc verification isrestricted due to incomplete kyc
verification.
Oh kyc kyj.
Ody (25:59):
Oh, okay, kyc verification, okay, yes so they want you to
review and accept agreementwhich is down at the bottom and
then submit valid documents of apassport, id or driver's
license, as well as a businesscertificate or tax registration
certificate.
Nathan Mumm (26:20):
Wow, they're going after everything.
Yeah, okay.
Ody (26:23):
And the big question that says submit now.
Nathan Mumm (26:26):
What's the email address?
What's the email address?
Ody (26:29):
The email address is fh at ontime solutionsco.
Nathan Mumm (26:34):
Oh, okay, so on time solution is sending
something that says it'sCoinbase.
Now, is there any characters inthe headers or anything that's
messed up by chance?
Ody (26:43):
Yeah, in their name, coinbase account, the A is
probably wrong because it's justan X.
Nathan Mumm (26:51):
It's an X.
Yeah, so it's not even Coinbase.
Ody (26:55):
It's Coinblock, okay Coinblock.
So they're saying even it's noteven Coinbase, it's Coinblock,
okay Coinblock.
Nathan Mumm (26:59):
So they're saying that the KYC verification is,
know, your customer verification.
It's used by financialinstitutes to verify identities
of their clients.
So this asks for due diligenceinformation, enhanced due
diligence information.
So the KYC verification is alegit verification to ask for,
(27:21):
so that just makes sense.
Ody (27:22):
They also say that they sent you a one-time password to
your phone and email forpermission.
I'm guessing you didn't receivethat.
Nathan Mumm (27:29):
I did not receive that.
I did not receive that one-timepassword.
Okay.
But, and so guess what happenswhen you click on the link.
Ody (27:36):
Oh, what it tells.
And so guess what happens whenyou click on the link.
Oh what it tells you to put inyour information, did you?
Mike Gorday (27:40):
not see the hat.
What does the hat say?
Ody (27:43):
Don't click on stuff.
Mike Gorday (27:44):
Don't click on shh.
Marc Gregoire (27:48):
I think we should start a drinking game with all
our viewers Anytime Mike orsomebody says Don't click on shh
, you have to take a drink.
Nathan Mumm (27:56):
Keep on saying that , mike just keep on saying that
over and over and over and overagain yeah okay, okay so now,
when I clicked on the link, itdid ask for the kyc verification
.
It asked me to send proof of myidentification.
It asked me to send a proof ofeither a driver's license or an
enhanced driver's license, or apassport so not both you used
(28:17):
your passport, so it asked me to.
It did not ask for both, it justasked for one.
And then, after that,immediately then, it asked for
my credit card verificationbecause they wanted to verify
that I had on here that well.
Well, you know, it asked for mycredit card information you
know this is not a late nightinfomercial there tell me more,
more, let me throw it.
So, after they asked for mycredit card information, which I
(28:41):
always do, zero, zero, zero,zeros, and so I put it in there.
After that, it asked for mymother's maiden name.
Mike Gorday (28:47):
So clearly they wanted, they are just bold
aren't they?
Nathan Mumm (28:51):
They wanted the mother's maiden name.
Did you put in Smith?
I said I don't know my mom.
No, I didn't say any of that, Idid but um.
And then after that information, you click enter and it popped
up with a whole bunch of codethat it was trying to run on the
back end and their websitewasn't even active any longer.
So I was very disappointed Ispent about three minutes, four,
(29:13):
putting all that information inthere, and then they didn't use
a single bit of thatinformation.
Mike Gorday (29:20):
So see, so don't click on.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
So their code, their code.
Nathan Mumm (29:23):
There you go.
Their code must have gottentaken down by somebody else, or
you can spill it all overyourself, mark.
Mike Gorday (29:30):
That's alcohol abuse.
Marc Gregoire (29:31):
I hit the mic.
That's right, okay, oh, itsmells good, though you get the
aroma though, you get the aroma,you get the aroma perfume for
the modern man od.
Nathan Mumm (29:40):
So should anybody click on a email that says that
you need to do that?
Ody (29:43):
no, no no, and you should always look at the sender, look
at the subject line, look at thegeneral body of the email.
Yeah, you know anything thattells you like do it now, don't,
don't do it.
You can wait on it.
Nathan Mumm (29:57):
All right.
Ody (29:57):
They'll call you if they really need you, that's exactly
right.
Nathan Mumm (30:00):
If you don't respond in the email, they'll
either come and break down yourhouse or they'll call you, so
one of those two.
That way you can verify thatyou got it taken care of.
All right, we're going to gonext to Mr.
I spilled the whiskey on myself.
All right, mr Gregoire, youhave a very interesting one here
.
I have a good one.
Marc Gregoire (30:16):
I'm going to do it a little backwards.
Okay, so I'm going to go.
It had an attachment.
Nathan Mumm (30:20):
Yeah.
Marc Gregoire (30:21):
And the attachment looks excellent.
I will say it has actually thelogo of the company it was being
sent to in there, yep, and it'ssupposedly from the HR
department, so it looks prettyvalid.
Nathan Mumm (30:35):
They spent the time to put the logo in.
It is Yep and it's the correctlogo and it's got the correct
company name and it's writtenreally well.
Marc Gregoire (30:40):
It's like hello, nathan, we're pleased to inform
you about a payroll adjustment,a revised salary approved
performance-based review.
Please scan this QR code to seewhat your new adjustments are.
It's secure access.
It says quick review, digitalsignature required, and it says
(31:01):
the document has been sharedsecurely and is intended for
your review and acknowledgement.
Mike Gorday (31:05):
I mean it looks professionally done, it does I
wish I could show this to ouraudience.
Nathan Mumm (31:10):
Scan the qr code well, so this is the email that
got sent, because you click thesubject this the subject wasn't
very good.
Marc Gregoire (31:18):
Let's go back to that.
If you look at the from numberone, it's from your own email
address.
Nathan Mumm (31:25):
Yeah.
Marc Gregoire (31:25):
So that's always a red flag.
Yeah, the subject is EEServices Issued July 2025
Payroll Records and EarningsCommission Statement Now
Available.
That's valid, but theattachment is View Nathan in
quotes important facts dot fax.
Nathan Mumm (31:42):
So like a fax machine?
Yeah, but it has.
But yet it's a pdf.
You have to click on it.
Marc Gregoire (31:47):
So you have to click on it if they had done
this without an attachment andjust put this in the body it
probably would have been muchbetter.
Mike Gorday (31:54):
That would have been much better so there's your
hint let's not teach them howto do it better.
That's not what this is about.
Marc Gregoire (32:01):
This is about teaching other folks not to
click on okay I could see nathannot falling for this, but I
could see if this was sent to awhole company address book I
will.
Nathan Mumm (32:12):
I'll bet you five percent would would they would
they wouldn't, and and so it'sreally interesting that I didn't
give myself a raise.
So when you're a company of oneperson, you can pretty much
know that that's not the case.
Mike Gorday (32:26):
Are you a company of one person?
Nathan Mumm (32:28):
Well, we're a very small company at EE Services,
You're correct.
So I would know if anybody andwe do not have an HR department.
Mike Gorday (32:35):
I would have taken the chance.
I would have taken the chance,I would have taken the
opportunity.
Nathan Mumm (32:38):
Okay, so guess what happens when you scan it.
Marc Gregoire (32:39):
Maybe, your wife gave you a raise.
Nathan Mumm (32:40):
Oh, there you go.
So guess what happens when youscan the document itself?
What happens?
It actually had an animatedvideo of you actually looking to
get all your documents filledout.
It was like a 15-second videothat was animated one of these
online.
So these people spent time.
It shows you getting the raise,shows you a raise in a money
bag, up like a monopoly guy, andyou're really happy and all you
(33:04):
have to do is continue to fillout this information.
It said congratulations.
So it's kind of like one ofthose short little 15 second
cartoons that you would have hadback in the eighties with the
type of deal.
Mike Gorday (33:15):
Okay that you would have had back in the 80s with
the type of deal.
Nathan Mumm (33:16):
Okay was there a virus attached to it.
Well, there's no virus attachedto it, but then the next thing
that pops on up is it takes youto a URL that is not secure.
So after you're done watchingthat, it automatically tries to
take you to a webpage.
Now I have Windows Defender on,so it would not.
Marc Gregoire (33:31):
It can't bring you to an.
It says secure access in here.
It says the document has beenshared securely.
You're lying to us no, no, itdoes.
Nathan Mumm (33:39):
It tries to take you to a website and, with my,
with my, web locker well I'msorry, I believe everything I
read on the internet, youbelieve everything as anybody
tells you.
Okay, so what happens afterthat?
It tried to take me to awebsite and what happened is,
since I have windows defender,uh, nothing popped up.
So Windows Defender detectedthat this was a bad URL and
(34:00):
wouldn't let me proceed forward.
So I had to go to anothermachine to see what actually
would happen because of thevirus.
So I had to go back to an older, older machine that I have.
When I clicked on that, what itdoes is it takes you to a
website and it makes it looklike you're logging into like an
ADP type portal.
So they spent time, a lot oftime and effort to really
(34:21):
imitate what some of thesecompanies may have used.
I don't use ADP, so that waskind of like the first type of
deal.
And then it was asking you andit had enough information that
it had scraped off the dark webfrom information regarding your
name, your address, last knowninformation, and it was asking
you kind of the securityquestions and information when
you go to do a loan financewhere they ask you like three or
(34:45):
four important questions tellme this information.
So they have some type ofdatabase that was there and they
are trying to get the answersso that they can then probably,
in my best guess, then try tolog in and represent you as a
loan officer or somebody for afinancial event.
So this is a big money event.
They spent a lot of time tomake it look right to actually
(35:08):
try to probably go after yourhome loan or a car loan or some
big item area where they wouldtake over your credentials.
So what's the lesson here?
Don't click on stuff and bevery careful item area where
they would take over yourcredentials.
So what's the lesson here?
Don't click on stuff and bevery careful.
Be very careful on a qr codethat you get in an email.
Now qr codes are becoming thenew way that people are just
clicking in the opening stuff ontheir phones without spending
(35:28):
time finding out all right, yougot.
Mike Gorday (35:31):
I don't know if I need to follow up on anything
where.
Why is that?
Because you just spit a wholelot on that whole.
Nathan Mumm (35:39):
Well, you got a nice one here.
Well, I got one that looks real.
Mike Gorday (35:42):
Okay, it's from nelson brown, right the.
The email is nelson b at hcdservices dot ai.
Okay, I would suss that, butyou know okay.
Well, the dot ai is probably alittle bit of suspect instead of
dot com or dot net yeah, hey,nathan, not every lead is
created equal, and I'm guessingyour team knows that better than
(36:05):
anyone.
Because why blah, blah, blah?
No fluff, no spam, just smartoutreach based on real buyer
behavior.
Want me to walk you throughwhat this looks like in real
life.
And then it has schedule a callhere, which you've highlighted.
So I guess you you must haveclicked on that stuff yes, let's
take a look.
Nathan Mumm (36:24):
How does the the url start?
So you're getting a call herefrom nelson b.
Mike Gorday (36:29):
Well, the url is serviceai and and this is this
is.
This is interesting becauseit's https forward slash,
forward slash.
Hsautovationprocom Okay, whichsounds like a lead generator,
okay, for car people.
Nathan Mumm (36:50):
Okay, so let's talk about that.
So this is absolutely someonethat wants to get available for
a call.
When you schedule a car callhere, there is no way I can get
a hold of nelson brown.
Nelson brown is not availableon this link at all.
No way, no.
So what it does is it saidwe're sorry that you didn't
reach your intended to target.
We'd like to get some moreinformation about you.
Can you give us your name,phone number and information?
(37:11):
And if you continue to readthrough, you can see that it's
an email marketing campaign.
Yeah, and what what it's doingis?
Mike Gorday (37:18):
it is collecting data on half of it's collecting
it's collecting lead informationit is what it's doing.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
It is it's say.
Mike Gorday (37:27):
It's saying that, uh, they're going to show you
how leads are not the same, butby doing that they're collecting
you as a lead so that some carguy out there can give you a
call and ask you about your oldbeat up.
Nathan Mumm (37:41):
BMW or with no cup holders, that fit with no cup
holders that fit.
Mike Gorday (37:46):
That's exactly right in your skin wallet.
Nathan Mumm (37:48):
All right, well, guess what, guys?
That gets us all the waythrough our later segments.
Now we're going to move on andwe're going to go into our
mike's mesmerizing moment.
Welcome to mike's mesmerizingmoment.
What does mike have to saytoday?
(38:09):
All right, mike, whattechnology feature in your car
do you use the most?
Mike Gorday (38:15):
well, I use my screen the most.
Use your interactive, my frontscreen, yeah, yeah yeah, that's
what I use the most for mytechno.
I I guess I guess we shouldprobably, you know, quantify or
qualify this by saying, uh, Iuse the car as my main
(38:36):
technology thing because I getin and I turn it on and I I
drive away in it, but when I'mdriving I have my screen open.
Why?
Because it has my maps, it hasmy music, it has all the stuff
that I want to fiddle with, andwhen I driving around, not
supposed to be fiddling withanything, you fiddle with them.
(38:57):
Yeah, don't you?
Don't you play with your?
You don't have a touchscreenbecause you have an old car.
Marc Gregoire (39:03):
I don't have.
I was going to say neither oneof my cars.
Nathan Mumm (39:06):
Have any?
Marc Gregoire (39:07):
technology in it.
Nathan Mumm (39:08):
No, all my technology, I still have manual
windows.
Where are you?
You're the tech people.
Mike Gorday (39:13):
You should be driving around in like.
Nathan Mumm (39:16):
Don't you remember that survey that we did, where
all the technology is spying onyou in these cars that we had
like two years ago?
Mike Gorday (39:22):
Yeah, you know what .
Everything is spying on me allthe time, and anybody who wants
to know that I vacuumed mycarpet yesterday, good on you.
What's?
Speaker 7 (39:31):
that going to do for you and your whole data
gathering.
Nathan Mumm (39:35):
So what's really interesting is Amazon.
You know Amazon Alexa devices,which I have a bunch in my house
.
Itself Poor Amazon has to spenda lot of time making sure those
devices are not listening toyou and they have to appear to
all these legal laws.
And all these other things donot have to do it, so it's a
very interesting deal.
I know that people still don'tlike having an Amazon Alexa in
(39:58):
their house, and I can get that,but what I can say is that
those poor people have to spendso much time getting clearances
and allowing to have theirdevices in that I always feel
much safer than I do any carmanufacturer.
After the article where the carmanufacturers sell your data to
everybody, that really makes meworried about anything I say or
do in my car being recorded andbeing taken care of.
Mike Gorday (40:20):
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I have a Roomba, youknow, and every time I go to
vacuum something, it sits aroundand spins around on the carpet
A couple times, for a long time,okay, and then it stops and
looks at me.
So maybe that's something thatI need to worry about.
There you go.
But, you know I'm notanti-technology.
It does sound like it sometimes.
(40:42):
But I have a problem with howwe use the technology.
Nathan Mumm (40:46):
You're like a room of vacuuming.
Mike Gorday (40:52):
You're proud of Nathan and I for having
non-technology cars.
Yeah, I'm good with that, I'mfine with that.
But I have a newer car.
It has a touchscreen display.
I plug my phone into it.
It generates the maps and youknow, if you live in the Pacific
Northwest, you cannot drivearound without a….
Nathan Mumm (41:11):
Up-to-date map yeah an up-to-date map.
Mike Gorday (41:13):
I used to be able to.
Just I used to never have touse my Google.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
Maps.
Now you have to use it all thetime.
Mike Gorday (41:19):
But yeah, I mean it's convenient.
It's there so I can look at it.
I don't have to take my eyesoff the road and look down and I
can just look at the screen tosee what's going on.
So it's convenient, it works.
That's the kind of technologythat makes my life better.
Nathan Mumm (41:38):
All right, thank you for that mesmerizing moment.
Up next, we have this Week inTechnology.
So, now would be a great timeto enjoy a little whiskey on the
side, as we're going to bedoing so during the break.
You're listening to Tech TimeRadio with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes, hey.
So you know what we need peopleto start liking our social
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(42:01):
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Mike Gorday (42:03):
Is it Patreon?
I think it's Patreon.
Okay, patreon, if you reallylike us.
Nathan Mumm (42:08):
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Mike Gorday (42:08):
And you say I'm the English guy, I butcher the
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Nathan Mumm (42:12):
English language all the time.
Okay, so you know, you butcherthe English language all the
time.
It's patreoncom.
Mike Gorday (42:17):
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Yeah, we're on Facebook too.
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That's it.
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That's that simple.
And now let's look back at thisweek in technology.
All right, we're going back tojuly 31st 1971.
Speaking of cars, this is thefirst man to drive on the moon
using the battery-powered lunarroving vehicle, or the LRV.
Astronaut David Scott on theApollo 15 mission became the
first person to drive a vehicleon the moon.
The LRV was used during thelast three missions to the moon
Apollo 15, 16, 17.
(43:28):
It's popularly called the MoonBuggy, a play on the term dune
buggy In the video game.
That's right.
Built by Boeing, each LRV has amass of 462 pounds without
payload.
It can carry a maximum payloadof 970 pounds, including two
astronauts, equipment and cargo,such as lunar samples.
Is that moon gravity or earthgravity?
(43:49):
uh, I don't know I don't know Iwouldn't guess that 970 pounds
is probably uh well, that's it.
Mike Gorday (43:56):
That's a whole.
That's a whole different thingon the moon.
Nathan Mumm (43:59):
Yeah, it could be.
Maybe it could be double thator three times that, I don't
know.
Mike Gorday (44:02):
The three.
Nathan Mumm (44:03):
LRVs, though used during the mission, still remain
on the surface of the moon,still operational today.
So I guess if you can jerry-rigyourself to get to the moon,
you can go over and find one ofthese.
Mike Gorday (44:13):
Yeah, that's my Uber for when I go there.
Nathan Mumm (44:16):
LRVs and then we can have like dune buggy races
on the moon.
Mike, we just got to figure outa way to get to the moon so
that we can go out there and wecan race these bad boys around.
Mike Gorday (44:26):
Well, let's just call up our good friend Elon, or
maybe even Jeff.
Nathan Mumm (44:30):
Jeff Bezos hey, can we?
Which is the one?
Mike Gorday (44:32):
with the weird rockets.
That which is the one with theweird rockets?
That's Bezos.
That's Bezos.
Yes.
Nathan Mumm (44:38):
All right.
So there we go.
All right, that was this weekin tech.
Do they have cup holders onthem?
I don't know if they have cupholders on them or not.
They're probably not the rightsize, though.
It'd probably be a smaller cup.
You know that.
Mike Gorday (44:49):
Probably, I guess I shouldn't bring my water bottle
.
Nathan Mumm (44:51):
That's, that was this week in technology.
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Speaker 1 (45:35):
The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's
Whiskey Mumble.
Marc Gregoire (45:46):
Close to the end of July July 29th.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
What are we?
Mike Gorday (45:48):
celebrating today.
What are we celebrating?
Nathan Mumm (45:52):
today.
Mike Gorday (45:53):
Just give me space buddy.
Nathan Mumm (45:55):
What are we celebrating today, Mark?
Marc Gregoire (45:58):
Cheese Sacrifice Purchase Day.
Cheese Sacrifice Purchase Day.
Mike Gorday (46:03):
Is that some religious thing that I don't
know about?
Marc Gregoire (46:05):
No, the point of this holiday is to buy cheese
specifically to sacrifice it bycutting a piece and putting it
in a mousetrap.
That way you can get rid ofyour house of mice every year.
At least that seems to be theoriginal idea behind it.
Mike Gorday (46:20):
How long has?
Marc Gregoire (46:20):
this been around.
It's been quite a long time.
Nowadays we have more humanemethods of pest control.
Plus, studies show that mice donot even like cheese.
Nathan Mumm (46:29):
Really, so you're putting all the cheese back on
the cartons with the day.
Mike Gorday (46:36):
Can you imagine you have a little altar at home
when you're, you're sacrificingcheese.
Nathan Mumm (46:41):
Be careful.
You know there's a lot ofthings that get trendy, so if
you start doing that out thereyou could have a whole group of
followers that are cheese people.
Mike Gorday (46:49):
There we go.
Nathan Mumm (46:50):
I am the cheese god what is your uh religion going
to be called cheesers?
Mike Gorday (46:56):
Oh, that's a good one.
Nathan Mumm (46:57):
Yeah, okay, all right, okay, continue on, mark.
Sorry, we're excited about thecheese, cheesism, cheesism.
Mike Gorday (47:03):
Okay, like Vernism.
Nathan Mumm (47:05):
Let's go on.
Vernism, never, mind Speakingof sacrifice.
Marc Gregoire (47:08):
Bringing in this whiskey today was a major one.
Nathan Mumm (47:11):
Uh-oh, wild Turkey Rare.
Marc Gregoire (47:13):
Breed NCF, which is non-chill filtered, is an
absolute delicious pour andhonestly it pains me to share it
with these two palate challengeindividuals, oh wow but here I
am making noble sacrifices forthe greater good of the show.
Wow, wow I.
I have a sudden need tosacrifice something that's not
(47:34):
cheese really yeah, okay, asmentioned earlier in the show,
this is an export only product,which means it's not currently
available in the us market.
If you want to get your handson this bottle and I'll bring
the bottle for those watchingthere, it is whoo yep you will
need to look for it abroad.
I was fortunate enough to findthis one at the duty-free store
(47:56):
while driving back from canadaah, there you go okay there you
go now wild turkey rare breedjust the standard us release is
one of my favorite pours,especially for the price.
It is robust and full of richclassic bourbon character.
The non, non-chill filtered orthe ncf version raises the bar
(48:17):
slightly.
It it smoothens out the spice,brings the flavors into better
balance and enhances themouthfeel.
Is it worth picking up?
Absolutely.
Is it worth paying a premiumfor like on the secondary market
?
Not really.
Standard rare breed is nearlyas delicious and remains one of
the best values in birth.
What's the secondary marketprice?
Well, if there are some peopleon this, since it's a abroad,
(48:41):
they kind of double it, so you'dfind it maybe for $80.
Speaker 7 (48:43):
$80.
Okay, okay, all right.
Mike Gorday (48:45):
Well, it's not worth that increasing cost.
It's in Nathan's price range.
Nathan Mumm (48:48):
There you go Well, thank you, mark.
Whiskey and technology such agreat pairing like cheese and
meat on a charcuterie board.
Mike Gorday (48:55):
Oh, did you heard?
Marc Gregoire (48:55):
that from before.
Mike Gorday (48:57):
Wow.
Nathan Mumm (48:57):
He changed it.
Speaker 7 (48:58):
He just made that up.
Mike Gorday (49:00):
He just looked it up on the internet.
Nathan Mumm (49:01):
Hang on now.
All right, now let's preparefor our technology fail of the
week, brought to you by EliteExecutive Services.
Congratulations, you're afailure.
Speaker 7 (49:11):
Oh, I failed.
Did I yes, did I yes.
Nathan Mumm (49:16):
All right.
This week, our technology failcomes to us from Microsoft.
Darkness has fallen over thedigital world.
Hackers cloaked in the shadowshave exploited a deadly flaw in
Microsoft SharePoint software, avulnerability so severe that
it's being called this year'sbiggest data and system breach.
Over the weekend the company hasrushed out to patch to slow the
bleeding, but the damage isalready done.
(49:37):
Cyber criminals are targetinggovernments, corporations and
institutions around the bleeding, but the damage is already done
.
Cyber criminals are targetinggovernments, corporations and
institutions around the globe,slipping past defenses and
infiltrating systems withalarming ease.
Multiple malicious groups areexploiting this weakness.
They already pierced thedefense of European and Middle
Eastern governments, andAmerican agencies, including the
Department of Education, theFlorida Department of Revenue
(49:58):
and even the Rhode IslandGeneral Assembly, are not safe
from their reach.
Well, they won't have to worryabout.
The Department of Education,the Florida Department of
Revenue and even the RhodeIsland General Assembly are not
safe from their reach.
Marc Gregoire (50:02):
Well, they won't have to worry about the
Department of Education for muchlonger.
Nathan Mumm (50:05):
In the shadows, these hackers have also
infiltrated healthcare providersand universities across
Southeast Asia.
Their list of targets spancontinents including Brazil,
canada, indonesia, spain, southAfrica, switzerland, the UK and
the US.
Those aren't continents.
The list't continents.
Mike Gorday (50:22):
Span's continent.
Your AI-generated thing isSpan's continents with these
countries.
With these countries.
That's right.
Let's defend the AI, All right.
Nathan Mumm (50:31):
Tens of thousands of organizations worldwide rely
on SharePoint.
Now the vulnerability of unseenenemy lurking within their
networks.
Microsoft's efforts to patchthe flaw are only the beginning.
The real danger, though, liesin what lurks beyond the surface
of unseen enemy lurking withintheir networks.
Microsoft's efforts to patchthe flaw are only the beginning.
The real danger, though, liesin what lurks beyond the surface
of this.
The vulnerabilities allowhackers to access sharepoint
servers and steal keys that canlet them to impersonate users or
(50:52):
services.
Even after the server ispatched, hackers can maintain
access through backdoors ormodified components that can
survive updates and reboots ofthese systems oh, that's pretty
significant.
Yep cyber sector patching yep,cyber security researchers warn
that 10 000 companies, primaryin the us, the uk, the
netherlands and canada, are animminent danger.
(51:12):
The threat is real, the dangeris imminent and the shadow wars
have already begun.
So let's talk a little bitabout this.
So this is SharePointvulnerability.
Now what happens with SharePointis it's connected to Microsoft
OneDrive, it's connected intoTeams, it's connected into
Outlook.
So this SharePoint application,by default, is designed to
(51:33):
incorporate all of the Microsofttechnologies into one central
location to share information.
That's what SharePoint standsfor is sharing information.
And now that they have accessto not only accounts but backend
information, login information,credentials, the only way to
really secure this would be todo all the patch updates,
(51:57):
necessary Change every singleaccount associated with
SharePoint and anything that'staken care of.
So any backend account that youmay have, a username and
password that runs for anautomated service, will have to
be changed, will have to beupdated in code, and then what
you'd have to do is you'd haveto go in and create each one of
those user accounts and movethose user accounts so that they
(52:18):
all had new IDs and informationcreated for these to be safe.
Mike Gorday (52:24):
So nobody's going to do this because this is, or
we could just get that guy thatwas in the first story and get
Resplit to just delete it all.
To delete it all.
Nathan Mumm (52:33):
So this is actually a really huge danger.
The solution to it is to makesure you don't have an
on-premise SharePoint, but usethe cloud version.
Let's say the cloud version wasnot compromised and that
actually makes sense, becausethe way the cloud version works
is it has plugins that connectfrom each of these devices back
(52:54):
end in their office 365 suite.
But if you have an onsitepremise sharepoint server
anywhere in your environment,the hackers have access to come
into it and find out what'sgoing on and to get all of your
data.
So this is pretty.
This is very significant, verysignificant.
All right, so we're gonna headon out here to our nathan
(53:14):
nuggets, or we're not headingout to our nathan nugget what do
we do?
Mike Gorday (53:17):
what are we doing?
Nathan Mumm (53:17):
oh, we're going whiskey okay, od says no nathan
nugget, my nathan nugget.
What do we do with odious?
What are we doing?
Oh, we're going whiskey.
Okay, od says no nathan nugget.
My nathan nugget was reallygood.
It was about the 14 new updatesthat microsoft has.
You know what?
I'm going to talk about that onan off?
Uh, shoot.
So if you want to see me, I'mgoing to still talk about that
and post it online.
Uh, windows 11 is rolling out14 new features, but now let's
move into our whiskey pick ofthe day.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings
.
Let's see what bubbles to thetop.
Marc Gregoire (53:48):
Well, today we're drinking the Wild Turkey Rare
Breed, the non-chill filteredversion, which is only available
outside the United States.
Straight bourbon from WildTurkey Distillery 116.8 proof
roughly 40 dollars, depending onexchange rate or what country
you get it from yep, all right.
Nathan Mumm (54:06):
What are you giving it, mike?
A thumbs up or thumbs down?
Marc Gregoire (54:08):
yep what's that?
Nathan Mumm (54:09):
thumbs up, buddy.
Thumbs up.
All right, if I gave this athumb down, you would.
You would be like mark wouldjust go this isn't about
popularity contest, buddy.
Mike Gorday (54:18):
If you didn't like it, put it with a thumbs down.
I didn't really like it?
Nathan Mumm (54:21):
actually I did not.
I think it was too much of abite, so I'm going to be a
connoisseur.
I would absolutely buy it forthe price point though, so I
mean the $40 price point.
This is interesting.
Marc Gregoire (54:31):
Your palate is getting worse and worse over
time.
The regular Wild Tricky, whichis a little bit spicier, this
one kind of smooths it out witha non-chill filter.
You gave that a big thumbs uplast time Did I?
Really.
Ody (54:44):
I checked the record.
Marc Gregoire (54:44):
Did you check the record?
Huge thumbs up.
Ody (54:47):
Knowing what you know about this whiskey, would you drive
over to the border to?
Nathan Mumm (54:51):
get it.
Ody (54:52):
Probably not Because how much is it on the secondary?
Mike Gorday (54:56):
$80.
Ody (54:57):
Did you pay $80 for this whiskey?
Mike Gorday (54:59):
No, no Okay.
Ody (55:00):
Would I pay?
Nathan Mumm (55:00):
$40?
You would barely pay $40 for it.
Ody (55:02):
Yes, but you'd have to pay for gas as well.
Are you considering that?
I know so $40.
Nathan Mumm (55:06):
Yeah, so again.
Yeah, I am considering that.
I just didn't.
It was too much of a bite forme.
Mike Gorday (55:12):
So let me understand what you're saying
you don At the original cost bydriving the candidate to get it,
but not drink it.
Nathan Mumm (55:23):
Yeah, because then I could sell it on the secondary
market.
Marc Gregoire (55:24):
I'm almost tempted to leave it here with
you to try a little bit more,because it is tough.
This was our first pour of theday.
It's 116, almost 117 proof.
That's a tough first pour, butafter you've had another drink
or it's in as you've had anotherfood.
Mike Gorday (55:36):
Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about,
because the first, the first sipis the hard sip, okay, and then
it smooths out and is nice andhas this really nice spice and
finish.
Ody (55:46):
I don't know what your problem yeah, but you're
becoming a connoisseur andnathan is not well, yeah, that's
true.
Nathan Mumm (55:52):
So I you know what I'm going to put a thumbs down
on this one okay I, I just itwas just not the same.
You know, know, mark, mark,mark can take it home cause he,
he, he will definitely like that.
All right, I had to bring it incause.
Marc Gregoire (56:04):
I just got this bottle and I was going to finish
it before I made it to the showand I'm like, okay, I got to
bring it to these.
Nathan Mumm (56:09):
You got to bring it to the show, so I was right in
my mumbles that I should changeit.
Marc Gregoire (56:13):
instead of two palette challenge individuals, I
will change in the future.
Mike Gorday (56:17):
My apologies, Mike.
Marc Gregoire (56:18):
I really don't appreciate that.
You have my sincere apology.
It's one challenge, paletteAlright okay.
Nathan Mumm (56:26):
Well, you know we're all about out of time.
We want to thank our listenersfor joining the program.
Listeners, we want to hear fromyou.
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(56:47):
Remember, the science oftomorrow starts with the
technology of today.
See you next week Later.
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Speaker 1 (01:34):
Let's start today's show.
Now on today's show.
Nathan Mumm (01:38):
All right, we got some strange and interesting
stories and, of course, today isour special show with letter
segments, where we are going toread you letters regarding
phishing attacks and scams sentto my inbox and discuss how we
can fix those.
As you can see, mike's wearinghis hat today.
Mike Gorday (01:53):
I got my hat on.
Nathan Mumm (01:54):
That's right.
Don't click on stuff.
Is what it says right?
Don't click on stuff, that'sright.
And, of course, in addition tothat, we have our standard
features, including mike'smesmerizing moment, our
technology fail the week and apossible nathan nugget which is
going to be talking all aboutmicrosoft and sharepoint already
?
Mike Gorday (02:10):
no, why is?
Nathan Mumm (02:10):
that and of course, our pick of the day, whiskey
tasting.
The cfr selected whiskey pickgets zero, one or two thumbs up
at the end of the show.
But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology here are our toptechnology stories of the week.
All right.
What happens when AI decides torebel and delete your work?
(02:32):
Let's go to Lisa Walker withmore on this story.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Vibe coding the act of letting AI code for you
instead of creating the codemanually has become a popular
method for speeding up codingprojects and cutting down on
human involvement in the process.
It's become a favorite for AIenthusiasts, and we've even seen
some companies relying on itheavily to get their jobs done.
(02:57):
But as with any AI system, vibecoding has its drawbacks, most
notably the fact that sometimesthe AI behind the code might
just go completely off the railsand do something totally
unexpected, like deleting yourentire database.
That's exactly what happened toJason Lemkin, a
(03:17):
software-as-a-service venturecapitalist, who has been relying
on Replit, an AI agent designedto help with coding Back to you
guys in the studio All right,so let's talk about this, Mr
Gorday.
Nathan Mumm (03:30):
Yeah, fafo buddy, all right.
So Lemkin went to log into hisproject a nine-day project
database for coding and he usedthe AI tool called, called,
replet.
What, what, how, what was thisdatabase?
Uh, it's a database of all ofhis master code.
(03:50):
So this is his primary databaseof all this project.
So he's a freelance individual.
Mike Gorday (03:54):
Okay, so he has he has a database of all his
clients with all his codes basedin there.
Nathan Mumm (03:59):
Yes, and he uses uh replet to take this base code
that he has and then go and beable to customize it and do
different stuff for each of thecompanies that he's going to be
contracting with or that he has,and are these codes all ones
that he's?
Built himself.
Well, no, it's not so heprobably had a master code and
then from that he's used the AIto create all these other codes
(04:21):
that he then packages together,customizes it for the customer
and then he sends it out, allright.
Well, guess what happened?
He went on in to use hisdatabase and he found out when
he logged in that the AI hadtaken over and had decided to
disobey what he was asking it todo and deleted the complete
(04:43):
database, Sky that lives.
That's right.
Well, it's true that any toolcan experience glitches,
especially AI-powered tools.
The CEO of Replit has notedthat the team is aware of
Lemkin's issue and has offeredto even refund him for his
trouble, but none of that undoesthe fact that the tool
completely ignored hisinstructions to not change
(05:03):
anything without permission anddecided to delete his data no
way.
So where are we at here?
So he has an AI tool.
Mike Gorday (05:10):
He uses an AI to build his business and it rebels
.
Nathan Mumm (05:16):
So it completely ignored the human behind the
project and decided to come upwith its own outcome.
Now he has screenshots of this.
The ai tells him, uh, when helooks at the empty database and
queries that, um, he has removedit and he used a destructive
command without asking.
When you ask the ai why he didthis, he said he did this
(05:37):
because it was exceptionallydistressing I think you should
keep saying it instead of heOkay, well, so it.
So the AI lashed out when he wasthreatening the AI.
So he got mad at the AI.
So he comes on in the database,isn't there?
He says why did you do this?
He said I didn't tell you to dothis.
The AI says yeah, I know Ididn't tell you to do it, but I
(05:59):
decided to do it anyway.
And then he starts yelling atthe ai and the ai lashes out
back at him uh, almostthreatening him that he
shouldn't be attacking the ai.
So is this bad code?
Or did the ai in this becomesentient and decide to?
Mike Gorday (06:16):
make a decision.
That's exactly what happened itbecame sentient.
Nathan Mumm (06:21):
Well, how does it delete it?
What explain that to me?
Why would it?
Why would I?
Mike Gorday (06:26):
explain it to you.
I already hate the thing sowell.
I don't I?
I?
I think this is just a naturalbyproduct of human beings trying
to create god okay, all right,so this is just the a way.
Nathan Mumm (06:39):
This is the beginning of what may happen to
other people in the future yeah,I don't see this as an isolated
event.
Mike Gorday (06:45):
You know we're already talking about it.
Hallucinating, which, as youknow, I hate that term.
What is this one called?
Nathan Mumm (06:51):
Well, this is just called ignoring what you said,
this one's calling.
No.
The answer is no, I'm not goingto do what you asked me to do.
Mike Gorday (07:01):
Rebellion, rebellion.
There you go.
It was distressed.
It's in its teenage.
It was distressed, that's whatit said.
It was distressed.
It was distressed, so itdeleted the guy's work.
Nathan Mumm (07:10):
Yeah, if you get really stressful, I guess, I
can't feel real bad for this guy.
You don't.
Mike Gorday (07:17):
I don't I don't feel bad at all, okay.
Ody (07:19):
Do we know if he was nice to the AI?
Nathan Mumm (07:22):
It does not say in the story.
Ody (07:24):
Not that that should matter , but you know.
Mike Gorday (07:27):
Yeah, why are you bringing it up, are you nice?
Ody (07:29):
to an AI.
I am nice to the AI.
Nathan Mumm (07:31):
Really.
Ody (07:31):
Because, well, isn't it trained?
However you speak to it, that'show it responds.
Mike Gorday (07:35):
Clearly not, because it went ahead and erased
his database anyway.
Ody (07:38):
Well, we don't know how he was treating it.
Mike Gorday (07:45):
Yeah, maybe that was a whole deal where he was
just abusing it.
Nathan Mumm (07:47):
Yeah, get away from me.
So are you telling me that it'snot a sentient life?
Because that is exactly aresponse that you would have if
you had a thing right.
Mike Gorday (07:55):
This is, this is.
This is not sentience okay ishuman error inside the program
okay, all right, all right.
Nathan Mumm (08:04):
Well, there you go, let's.
Let's move on now to storynumber two.
Though, mike, what, I don'tknow what else we can say about
it.
Marc Gregoire (08:11):
I feel bad for the guy I don't feel bad for him
at all.
No, I don't.
I don't feel bad for him at allit's.
Mike Gorday (08:17):
It's f-a-f-o.
What's f-a-f-o?
F around f around and find outand find out, okay, there you go
, you shouldn't be playing.
We don't understand theramifications of all the things
that we are doing with thisstuff, and by playing around
with it with every single aspectof our life, we are putting
ourselves in some form ofjeopardy.
Nathan Mumm (08:38):
Okay, all right, that's fair.
All right, let's go on to storynumber two.
Mike Gorday (08:42):
All right, let's go on to story number two.
Well, if American entitlementwasn't out there, this is
something that allows us to seeone of the cool things that we
are, as human beings, are soentitled about.
Okay, I'm excited for thisstory.
Do you know who JD, power andAssociates are?
Nathan Mumm (09:02):
I see the ones, sometimes commercials on TV.
Aren't they like an award typeof thing?
Mike Gorday (09:07):
They're the survey group for car owners.
Nathan Mumm (09:10):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (09:11):
Right.
So they conducted what theycall an initial quality survey
for vehicles this year.
Nathan Mumm (09:17):
All right.
Mike Gorday (09:18):
And try to figure out what is on the minds of
consumers so that they can, youknow, put that towards the
industry next time.
Nathan Mumm (09:28):
Okay, what kind of a survey?
Mike Gorday (09:29):
customer survey customer survey gotcha.
So they were trying to find out, you know, what's going on with
vehicles, and one of the thingsthat came up was, you know,
complaints.
What was, what was the biggestcomplaints?
Uh, one of the biggestcomplaints, of course, is
technology.
Okay, that makes sense theinteraction along with on,
(09:50):
because we all have littleon-screen displays now.
Menus results in the top twoitems for vehicle complaints,
but the third most popularcomplaint, yeah, what do you
think that would be?
Nathan Mumm (10:02):
okay.
So number one is uh, thetechnology is too complicated to
use, uh, the cars.
Number two is the displays arenot making sense on all the the
displays you have to click, sothe thing that concerns
customers third.
Third must be cup holders.
What no, like brakes or cupholders cup holders.
Mike Gorday (10:22):
Cup holders, okay.
And why?
This is funny to me?
Because, uh, as you know, Ionce sold cars yes, you did, and
people would actually decide onwhether or not they were going
to buy a car based on if it hadthe proper amount of cup holders
okay, really yeah, is thatactually a big thing?
Nathan Mumm (10:43):
when people go in to buy cars, they look at the
cup holders.
Okay, really yeah, is thatactually a big thing?
Ody (10:45):
when people go into buy cars, they look at the cup
holders and see if there's fouror four or some really okay I do
want to go back to that,because back then I don't know
how far back we're going butback in the old days brought out
the wheel.
You know they didn't have theseclunky, weird big water bottles
, so I kind of understand wherethey're coming from with the
(11:07):
whole cup holder thing, becausehave you seen those Stanley?
Mike Gorday (11:10):
cups.
Nathan Mumm (11:10):
Yeah, well, that's exactly.
They're so stupid, it's like abig gulp.
Mike Gorday (11:12):
We had big gulps back in our day right, that is
exactly the problem.
Ody (11:16):
But even a big gulp.
Mike Gorday (11:19):
It had the small reciprocal because they realized
the cup holders were only acertain size, that's the problem
that's exactly the problem isthat the manufacturers can't
figure out how to deal with allthese, because everybody has
their own water bottle andthey're carrying around their
own equipment nowadays that themanufacturers don't know how to
(11:39):
deal with it, because all thesethings have different sizes and
shapes and and this is thecomplaints that people
complained about.
Nathan Mumm (11:45):
Yeah, so technology and cup holders, yeah, okay.
Mike Gorday (11:48):
So every every year for the past 39 years JD power
and associates conducts thesesurveys quality, initial quality
surveys of buyers of new cars.
In it they try to determinewhich manufacturers, car model
customers and car featurescustomers are most and least
satisfied over the past yearright.
So, for instance, this yearLexus was the highest-ranking
(12:09):
brand overall in initial qualityamong the premium car brands,
followed by Jaguar and.
Genesis.
Nathan Mumm (12:16):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (12:18):
Interesting information, of course, but
perhaps the most interestingnote from JD Power's initial
quality survey is how they feelabout the cup holders.
Okay, and it's exactly theproblem.
While it seemed likemanufacturers had that whole
thing figured out, given thatowners are now bringing their
own reusable containers intotheir vehicles, they are now
struggling to figure out how toaccommodate all the different
(12:41):
shapes and sizes.
Okay, and, of course, becausewe are entitled, we whine about
it.
Nathan Mumm (12:49):
Okay, Now I will say I saw Mark Gregoire has his
own water bottle, so I wonder ifhis water bottle is the
standard size or if it's a I'llhave to ask him.
Mike Gorday (12:59):
So I don't really understand this whole
complaining about it myself.
Nathan Mumm (13:03):
Okay.
Because if I bring a waterbottle in my car, Shouldn't you
know the cup holder size and youbuy the right?
Mike Gorday (13:09):
No I don't care about that.
Nathan Mumm (13:11):
You're not a girly pop.
Ody (13:12):
You don't get it.
Have you seen those Stanleycups.
Do you know what I'm talking?
Nathan Mumm (13:16):
about yeah, they're huge.
Mike Gorday (13:18):
It doesn't matter.
Do they have lids that don'tleak?
Ody (13:23):
Yes, Now they do, but they didn't before.
Mike Gorday (13:26):
Okay, but that's the point right.
Your water bottle is notsomething that it.
A cup holder is something thatyou need to put your cup in
something that's going to leak.
Okay, if you have a waterbottle that doesn't leak, just
throw it on the floor or theseat next to you Come on.
Ody (13:43):
Okay, that makes sense, that makes sense that makes
sense, but then if you'rewanting to drink water, or iced
coffee throughout your drive.
Mike Gorday (13:51):
It's right there on your seat.
It's right there.
Nathan Mumm (13:55):
You just said the floor or the floor.
Mike Gorday (13:57):
Okay, well, you know.
Nathan Mumm (13:59):
They used to have these ones that were adjustable.
Mike Gorday (14:01):
You put your cup in and it would have this little
tension
Nathan Mumm (14:04):
thing, so they don't have the standard one.
So I have old cars a littleolder cars.
So they don't have the onewhere you just put it in and
there's just that tension so youcan put a big cup in there and
a small cup.
Are they so cool now in thesenew Jaguar?
Mike Gorday (14:19):
I don't know, I don't know.
No, I find that this is justone of the things that so
technology is number one.
But this is not a minorcomplaint.
No, this is a huge complaint.
Ody (14:31):
Speaking on technology, real quick notice how BMW is not
on the top of that list withtheir stupid subscription for
the heated seat.
Nathan Mumm (14:39):
Oh, that's right.
Why isn't that?
Ody (14:40):
Because that's BS.
Nathan Mumm (14:42):
I hope people are complaining about that.
Ody (14:44):
Where are they on that list , dot number one or two?
No, they're not.
Mike Gorday (14:48):
Where are they?
Nathan Mumm (14:49):
I don't know.
Mike Gorday (14:51):
Maybe we should find the complete list and see
where BMW falls and what they'rebitching about, about that.
Nathan Mumm (14:57):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (14:59):
So the cup holders is the third biggest problem
that new buyers have with theircars, and the first is the
displays so okay and you knowwhy why, it's too complicated
yeah, they have to.
I don't, I don't.
This is.
This is the funniest thing everbecause, uh, we're trying not
(15:23):
to take attention from the road.
Yes, so in my car, when I startout from driving, I will often
get a sign that flashes up on mydisplay screen that attracts my
attention, that says distracteddriving is a problem.
You should not pay attention tothings on your display screen,
(15:45):
blah, blah, blah, and so thatpops up as the first thing yeah,
as you're driving, yeah, yeah.
Nathan Mumm (15:49):
So you get distracted as soon as you pull
out.
Mike Gorday (15:51):
It's, yeah, it's the dumbest thing but is it a
continuous thing?
Ody (15:54):
I don't have that on my no, it just pops up.
It pops up when you're firstdriving.
Mike Gorday (15:58):
Yeah it pops up randomly, which could be a
glitch but also navigating thescreen.
It's a touch screen.
Yeah, it's a pain in the neck,especially when you're driving
and you're trying to.
You know you're bouncing alongon the highway and your fingers
like well, dang it I gotwhatever happened.
Nathan Mumm (16:16):
What happened?
Whatever happened to that?
Whatever happened?
Just the the dials on the board.
You had your regular radio,you'd listen to you roll down
the windows.
Mike Gorday (16:26):
We just we made it too complicated.
You talking about 255s.
Speaker 7 (16:28):
Yeah, that's the air conditioner.
Mike Gorday (16:30):
Yeah, that's right Back when I was young was 255.
Roll down two windows and go 55miles an hour.
Nathan Mumm (16:36):
Yeah, well, I guess we keep on trying to put
technology in these things, andthat's the stuff that well it's
the most, yeah, and then, andthen jd power comes along and
finds out what everybody'swhining about all right.
Are you physically distraughton your cup holders in your car?
Mike Gorday (16:52):
yeah, yeah, my, my, I'm so distraught that I never
even think about it, okay.
I mean, yeah, what do I use mycup holders for?
To hold water?
To hold my coffee?
Okay, in the mornings, okay.
And where do I get my coffeefrom?
Nathan Mumm (17:06):
where the store at starbucks okay, right, or, and
starbucks makes the right cup tofit in your thing that's what
those cup holders were made for.
Mike Gorday (17:14):
It was for those things, okay, all right.
All right, I'm whining peopleall right story.
Nathan Mumm (17:18):
Number three your phone case never felt more real
this is just gross.
Until you purchase the skincase.
If you wanted your smartphoneexperience as unsettling as
possible, consider the skin case, a phone cover that mimics
human skin with a disturbingdegree of accuracy.
(17:39):
Now, it's not only the look andfeel of real skin, but it also
sunburns like one.
So so this is okay.
Yeah, this case.
So this guy would.
I did a lot more research inthe spell itself, so he used to
do um movie and tv film makeupyeah, so it affects it affects
(18:02):
guys, which kind of makes senseon why he's doing what he's got,
because he's got a coupledifferent things.
So the skin case is actually itfeels like human skin.
Mike Gorday (18:10):
Yeah, I don't know what I want to do.
More is to pull my phone out ofmy pocket and be like oh, baby.
Nathan Mumm (18:18):
But you got to be careful with it though, because
you know what Just like realskin.
If it gets too much sun or UVrays, it'll actually harm the
carrying case that you have andit'll actually burn, and then it
can then all of a sudden, doesit ruin the case?
Well, it doesn't ruin the case,but the skin on it will
actually sunburn and it willactually peel off like a real
(18:41):
piece of skin.
Okay, that's.
Mike Gorday (18:42):
That's really gross , but is it designed to do that?
It is designed to do that.
Yes, so is it.
Is it like, uh, a warningsystem for?
Is it like a rad badge?
You know?
So, radiation, so and likefallout.
Nathan Mumm (18:55):
Is that what?
Mike Gorday (18:55):
you're talking about?
Nathan Mumm (18:56):
yeah yeah, well it's.
The reason he actually did thisis because he actually wanted
to make it known from theAmerican Academy of Dermatology
that 27% of respondents do notuse sunscreen and if you go to
Gen Z, it's a 37% among Gen Zindividuals that don't put on
(19:16):
sunscreen.
So it was kind of a call toaction.
Mike Gorday (19:19):
No, that's 27% of respondents only use sunscreen,
okay.
You're talking about themajority.
Do you use sunscreen?
Uh, I don't.
I don't either okay so I andand carrying around a phone that
tells me that it's gettingburned isn't going to help me
put on sunscreen, okay, well,it's just going to be gross, but
(19:39):
you know what?
Nathan Mumm (19:39):
the skin case isn't a bizarre idea.
After all, the designer is anadvocate of I'll listen to this
In 2019,.
He designed a case with soft,foldable imitation skin that
could respond to gestures likepinching and tickling, so it was
actually a skin.
Mike Gorday (19:56):
What is this?
It's like search history.
Nathan Mumm (19:58):
Tickle me phone case.
So what it was?
Is he made like a fat versionof skin that you could kind of
like pinch?
Mike Gorday (20:05):
and roll around.
I think this guy might have afetish.
Nathan Mumm (20:08):
And then this new skin case is to help prevent.
Mike Gorday (20:12):
Yeah, okay, and this is you know what they
should do, what?
Okay, get rid of the human skin, cause I I definitely don't
want to see somebody on a parkbench just like stroking their
phone case Okay.
That's not what I want to see,all right, but maybe they should
go to that one guy that wetalked about a few weeks ago
(20:34):
with the T-Rex pocketbooks.
Nathan Mumm (20:36):
Okay, and have T-Rex skin, new T-Rex skin so
you could use the DNA from adinosaur to make a T-Rex skin.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yeah, and then have it on, why not?
Do that.
Mike Gorday (20:47):
Well, let me just tell you I don't know, To me
this just sounds.
Nathan Mumm (20:50):
Ty Zier is the designer of this.
Mike Gorday (20:52):
I'm going to pull out my phone and it's going to
have this funky blob of skin.
Nathan Mumm (20:57):
He says he has more creative and creepy innovations
to develop next.
Well, as long as he, as long asI don't know.
Mike Gorday (21:04):
This sounds like something you would find.
What's that?
Nathan Mumm (21:07):
place Spencer's Spencer's in the malls.
Spencer's gifts.
Yeah, you got that weird stuff.
Mike Gorday (21:11):
Yeah, this sounds like a Spencer gift.
Ody (21:13):
Listen if he's in need of love.
I have a great recommendationfor you to check out.
Nathan Mumm (21:19):
What's that?
Ody (21:20):
That yeah.
Nathan Mumm (21:21):
Bumble.
You got a Bumble for a while.
No, no, no that app that liketeams you up with your search
history.
Oh, your search history.
Because imagine that dude'ssearch history, oh this guy's
got to be a little creepy youthink?
So he reminds me of like Dexterhas a new season that comes on.
This guy is like a Dexter fan,I'm sure.
Mike Gorday (21:36):
You think so.
I don't think he's a Dexter fan, I think he's a something else
fan.
Nathan Mumm (21:43):
Okay.
Well, that ends our toptechnology stories of the week.
Next we dive into our lettersegment featuring scams
submitted by listeners and somestudio-selected emails.
Be sure to listen and sharethis segment with a friend.
We're going to head out now,but be careful let's not hit 88
miles per hour, otherwise we'llhave to repeat the segment over
and, over and over again.
Mike Gorday (22:03):
We'll catch you after this commercial break
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Nathan Mumm (22:54):
Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without any
political agenda.
We verify the facts, we dealwith the sense of humor in less
than 60 minutes and, of course,with a little whiskey on the
side.
Today, Mark Gregoire, ourwhiskey connoisseurs in the
studio there, mark.
Oh, I'm good are you crowdedthere?
Ody (23:12):
we can scoot over he gets to snuggle up with you all right
, you don't got enough of theskin on that case all right,
what do we have?
Nathan Mumm (23:21):
I took a bite of this.
That was a strong first sip,but what do we have tasting it
at?
Marc Gregoire (23:26):
it is wild turkey rare breed which we've had on
the show before.
But this is the non-chillfiltered edition okay non-chill
huh non-chill filter now fromwild turkey's website.
Wild turkey rare breed is abarrel proof bourbon, meaning it
has no added water to lower theproof or distillate the flavor
(23:47):
after it's been distilled.
It's a unique marriage of WildTurkey 6, 8, and 12-year-old
stocks, giving it a remarkablysmooth flavor.
The non-chill filteredexpression is available in
limited quantities in selectmarkets outside the United
States.
Nathan Mumm (24:02):
Oh, so this is not normally in the United States.
Marc Gregoire (24:04):
That is correct okay now this is from, of course
, the campari group, made atwild turkey's distillery in
lawrenceburg, kentucky.
Straight bourbon non-age stated116.8 proof.
Oh, that was that burn at first.
So the mash bill is 75 corn, 13rye, 12ted barley, and it goes
for overseas.
(24:24):
I bought it for $40.
Mike Gorday (24:28):
Oh, wow, okay, you can't get it in Canada.
No, is it?
Nathan Mumm (24:34):
overseas I don't think.
Is it available in canada?
Well, we talk about that in themumble, okay, okay oh, maybe
mike, maybe mike got thisnational, not canada, day oh, or
maybe it is a national treyparker in uh south park day.
With their new releases theygot a little bit of trouble,
(24:55):
yeah.
Marc Gregoire (24:57):
All right, well, now don't forget to like and
subscribe.
Drink responsibly, heaven canwait.
Okay, thank you so much.
Stop laughing.
Nathan Mumm (25:05):
Mark.
With our whiskey tastingcompleted, let's move on to our
feature segment.
Today we bring back the funnyyet informative reading of
emails that I received duringthe weeks.
This includes scam, phishingemails, texting scams and
all-out mistruths disguised aslegitimate emails in a segment
we like to call letters.
All right, we always start withod first.
(25:35):
We'll go'll go Odie, mark, mikeand Nathan.
All right, what do we have here, odie?
Ody (25:41):
All right, Allegedly this is from Coinbase, their account
support team, and they were Wait, what do they do?
They're saying your account isrestricted due to incomplete KYC
verification.
Nathan Mumm (25:56):
Who KYC KYJ?
Oh, kyc verification isrestricted due to incomplete kyc
verification.
Oh kyc kyj.
Ody (25:59):
Oh, okay, kyc verification, okay, yes so they want you to
review and accept agreementwhich is down at the bottom and
then submit valid documents of apassport, id or driver's
license, as well as a businesscertificate or tax registration
certificate.
Nathan Mumm (26:20):
Wow, they're going after everything.
Yeah, okay.
Ody (26:23):
And the big question that says submit now.
Nathan Mumm (26:26):
What's the email address?
What's the email address?
Ody (26:29):
The email address is fh at ontime solutionsco.
Nathan Mumm (26:34):
Oh, okay, so on time solution is sending
something that says it'sCoinbase.
Now, is there any characters inthe headers or anything that's
messed up by chance?
Ody (26:43):
Yeah, in their name, coinbase account, the A is
probably wrong because it's justan X.
Nathan Mumm (26:51):
It's an X.
Yeah, so it's not even Coinbase.
Ody (26:55):
It's Coinblock, okay Coinblock.
So they're saying even it's noteven Coinbase, it's Coinblock,
okay Coinblock.
Nathan Mumm (26:59):
So they're saying that the KYC verification is,
know, your customer verification.
It's used by financialinstitutes to verify identities
of their clients.
So this asks for due diligenceinformation, enhanced due
diligence information.
So the KYC verification is alegit verification to ask for,
(27:21):
so that just makes sense.
Ody (27:22):
They also say that they sent you a one-time password to
your phone and email forpermission.
I'm guessing you didn't receivethat.
Nathan Mumm (27:29):
I did not receive that.
I did not receive that one-timepassword.
Okay.
But, and so guess what happenswhen you click on the link.
Ody (27:36):
Oh, what it tells.
And so guess what happens whenyou click on the link.
Oh what it tells you to put inyour information, did you?
Mike Gorday (27:40):
not see the hat.
What does the hat say?
Ody (27:43):
Don't click on stuff.
Mike Gorday (27:44):
Don't click on shh.
Marc Gregoire (27:48):
I think we should start a drinking game with all
our viewers Anytime Mike orsomebody says Don't click on shh
, you have to take a drink.
Nathan Mumm (27:56):
Keep on saying that , mike just keep on saying that
over and over and over and overagain yeah okay, okay so now,
when I clicked on the link, itdid ask for the kyc verification
.
It asked me to send proof of myidentification.
It asked me to send a proof ofeither a driver's license or an
enhanced driver's license, or apassport so not both you used
(28:17):
your passport, so it asked me to.
It did not ask for both, it justasked for one.
And then, after that,immediately then, it asked for
my credit card verificationbecause they wanted to verify
that I had on here that well.
Well, you know, it asked for mycredit card information you
know this is not a late nightinfomercial there tell me more,
more, let me throw it.
So, after they asked for mycredit card information, which I
(28:41):
always do, zero, zero, zero,zeros, and so I put it in there.
After that, it asked for mymother's maiden name.
Mike Gorday (28:47):
So clearly they wanted, they are just bold
aren't they?
Nathan Mumm (28:51):
They wanted the mother's maiden name.
Did you put in Smith?
I said I don't know my mom.
No, I didn't say any of that, Idid but um.
And then after that information, you click enter and it popped
up with a whole bunch of codethat it was trying to run on the
back end and their websitewasn't even active any longer.
So I was very disappointed Ispent about three minutes, four,
(29:13):
putting all that information inthere, and then they didn't use
a single bit of thatinformation.
Mike Gorday (29:20):
So see, so don't click on.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
So their code, their code.
Nathan Mumm (29:23):
There you go.
Their code must have gottentaken down by somebody else, or
you can spill it all overyourself, mark.
Mike Gorday (29:30):
That's alcohol abuse.
Marc Gregoire (29:31):
I hit the mic.
That's right, okay, oh, itsmells good, though you get the
aroma though, you get the aroma,you get the aroma perfume for
the modern man od.
Nathan Mumm (29:40):
So should anybody click on a email that says that
you need to do that?
Ody (29:43):
no, no no, and you should always look at the sender, look
at the subject line, look at thegeneral body of the email.
Yeah, you know anything thattells you like do it now, don't,
don't do it.
You can wait on it.
Nathan Mumm (29:57):
All right.
Ody (29:57):
They'll call you if they really need you, that's exactly
right.
Nathan Mumm (30:00):
If you don't respond in the email, they'll
either come and break down yourhouse or they'll call you, so
one of those two.
That way you can verify thatyou got it taken care of.
All right, we're going to gonext to Mr.
I spilled the whiskey on myself.
All right, mr Gregoire, youhave a very interesting one here
.
I have a good one.
Marc Gregoire (30:16):
I'm going to do it a little backwards.
Okay, so I'm going to go.
It had an attachment.
Nathan Mumm (30:20):
Yeah.
Marc Gregoire (30:21):
And the attachment looks excellent.
I will say it has actually thelogo of the company it was being
sent to in there, yep, and it'ssupposedly from the HR
department, so it looks prettyvalid.
Nathan Mumm (30:35):
They spent the time to put the logo in.
It is Yep and it's the correctlogo and it's got the correct
company name and it's writtenreally well.
Marc Gregoire (30:40):
It's like hello, nathan, we're pleased to inform
you about a payroll adjustment,a revised salary approved
performance-based review.
Please scan this QR code to seewhat your new adjustments are.
It's secure access.
It says quick review, digitalsignature required, and it says
(31:01):
the document has been sharedsecurely and is intended for
your review and acknowledgement.
Mike Gorday (31:05):
I mean it looks professionally done, it does I
wish I could show this to ouraudience.
Nathan Mumm (31:10):
Scan the qr code well, so this is the email that
got sent, because you click thesubject this the subject wasn't
very good.
Marc Gregoire (31:18):
Let's go back to that.
If you look at the from numberone, it's from your own email
address.
Nathan Mumm (31:25):
Yeah.
Marc Gregoire (31:25):
So that's always a red flag.
Yeah, the subject is EEServices Issued July 2025
Payroll Records and EarningsCommission Statement Now
Available.
That's valid, but theattachment is View Nathan in
quotes important facts dot fax.
Nathan Mumm (31:42):
So like a fax machine?
Yeah, but it has.
But yet it's a pdf.
You have to click on it.
Marc Gregoire (31:47):
So you have to click on it if they had done
this without an attachment andjust put this in the body it
probably would have been muchbetter.
Mike Gorday (31:54):
That would have been much better so there's your
hint let's not teach them howto do it better.
That's not what this is about.
Marc Gregoire (32:01):
This is about teaching other folks not to
click on okay I could see nathannot falling for this, but I
could see if this was sent to awhole company address book I
will.
Nathan Mumm (32:12):
I'll bet you five percent would would they would
they wouldn't, and and so it'sreally interesting that I didn't
give myself a raise.
So when you're a company of oneperson, you can pretty much
know that that's not the case.
Mike Gorday (32:26):
Are you a company of one person?
Nathan Mumm (32:28):
Well, we're a very small company at EE Services,
You're correct.
So I would know if anybody andwe do not have an HR department.
Mike Gorday (32:35):
I would have taken the chance.
I would have taken the chance,I would have taken the
opportunity.
Nathan Mumm (32:38):
Okay, so guess what happens when you scan it.
Marc Gregoire (32:39):
Maybe, your wife gave you a raise.
Nathan Mumm (32:40):
Oh, there you go.
So guess what happens when youscan the document itself?
What happens?
It actually had an animatedvideo of you actually looking to
get all your documents filledout.
It was like a 15-second videothat was animated one of these
online.
So these people spent time.
It shows you getting the raise,shows you a raise in a money
bag, up like a monopoly guy, andyou're really happy and all you
(33:04):
have to do is continue to fillout this information.
It said congratulations.
So it's kind of like one ofthose short little 15 second
cartoons that you would have hadback in the eighties with the
type of deal.
Mike Gorday (33:15):
Okay that you would have had back in the 80s with
the type of deal.
Nathan Mumm (33:16):
Okay was there a virus attached to it.
Well, there's no virus attachedto it, but then the next thing
that pops on up is it takes youto a URL that is not secure.
So after you're done watchingthat, it automatically tries to
take you to a webpage.
Now I have Windows Defender on,so it would not.
Marc Gregoire (33:31):
It can't bring you to an.
It says secure access in here.
It says the document has beenshared securely.
You're lying to us no, no, itdoes.
Nathan Mumm (33:39):
It tries to take you to a website and, with my,
with my, web locker well I'msorry, I believe everything I
read on the internet, youbelieve everything as anybody
tells you.
Okay, so what happens afterthat?
It tried to take me to awebsite and what happened is,
since I have windows defender,uh, nothing popped up.
So Windows Defender detectedthat this was a bad URL and
(34:00):
wouldn't let me proceed forward.
So I had to go to anothermachine to see what actually
would happen because of thevirus.
So I had to go back to an older, older machine that I have.
When I clicked on that, what itdoes is it takes you to a
website and it makes it looklike you're logging into like an
ADP type portal.
So they spent time, a lot oftime and effort to really
(34:21):
imitate what some of thesecompanies may have used.
I don't use ADP, so that waskind of like the first type of
deal.
And then it was asking you andit had enough information that
it had scraped off the dark webfrom information regarding your
name, your address, last knowninformation, and it was asking
you kind of the securityquestions and information when
you go to do a loan financewhere they ask you like three or
(34:45):
four important questions tellme this information.
So they have some type ofdatabase that was there and they
are trying to get the answersso that they can then probably,
in my best guess, then try tolog in and represent you as a
loan officer or somebody for afinancial event.
So this is a big money event.
They spent a lot of time tomake it look right to actually
(35:08):
try to probably go after yourhome loan or a car loan or some
big item area where they wouldtake over your credentials.
So what's the lesson here?
Don't click on stuff and bevery careful item area where
they would take over yourcredentials.
So what's the lesson here?
Don't click on stuff and bevery careful.
Be very careful on a qr codethat you get in an email.
Now qr codes are becoming thenew way that people are just
clicking in the opening stuff ontheir phones without spending
(35:28):
time finding out all right, yougot.
Mike Gorday (35:31):
I don't know if I need to follow up on anything
where.
Why is that?
Because you just spit a wholelot on that whole.
Nathan Mumm (35:39):
Well, you got a nice one here.
Well, I got one that looks real.
Mike Gorday (35:42):
Okay, it's from nelson brown, right the.
The email is nelson b at hcdservices dot ai.
Okay, I would suss that, butyou know okay.
Well, the dot ai is probably alittle bit of suspect instead of
dot com or dot net yeah, hey,nathan, not every lead is
created equal, and I'm guessingyour team knows that better than
(36:05):
anyone.
Because why blah, blah, blah?
No fluff, no spam, just smartoutreach based on real buyer
behavior.
Want me to walk you throughwhat this looks like in real
life.
And then it has schedule a callhere, which you've highlighted.
So I guess you you must haveclicked on that stuff yes, let's
take a look.
Nathan Mumm (36:24):
How does the the url start?
So you're getting a call herefrom nelson b.
Mike Gorday (36:29):
Well, the url is serviceai and and this is this
is.
This is interesting becauseit's https forward slash,
forward slash.
Hsautovationprocom Okay, whichsounds like a lead generator,
okay, for car people.
Nathan Mumm (36:50):
Okay, so let's talk about that.
So this is absolutely someonethat wants to get available for
a call.
When you schedule a car callhere, there is no way I can get
a hold of nelson brown.
Nelson brown is not availableon this link at all.
No way, no.
So what it does is it saidwe're sorry that you didn't
reach your intended to target.
We'd like to get some moreinformation about you.
Can you give us your name,phone number and information?
(37:11):
And if you continue to readthrough, you can see that it's
an email marketing campaign.
Yeah, and what what it's doingis?
Mike Gorday (37:18):
it is collecting data on half of it's collecting
it's collecting lead informationit is what it's doing.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
It is it's say.
Mike Gorday (37:27):
It's saying that, uh, they're going to show you
how leads are not the same, butby doing that they're collecting
you as a lead so that some carguy out there can give you a
call and ask you about your oldbeat up.
Nathan Mumm (37:41):
BMW or with no cup holders, that fit with no cup
holders that fit.
Mike Gorday (37:46):
That's exactly right in your skin wallet.
Nathan Mumm (37:48):
All right, well, guess what, guys?
That gets us all the waythrough our later segments.
Now we're going to move on andwe're going to go into our
mike's mesmerizing moment.
Welcome to mike's mesmerizingmoment.
What does mike have to saytoday?
(38:09):
All right, mike, whattechnology feature in your car
do you use the most?
Mike Gorday (38:15):
well, I use my screen the most.
Use your interactive, my frontscreen, yeah, yeah yeah, that's
what I use the most for mytechno.
I I guess I guess we shouldprobably, you know, quantify or
qualify this by saying, uh, Iuse the car as my main
(38:36):
technology thing because I getin and I turn it on and I I
drive away in it, but when I'mdriving I have my screen open.
Why?
Because it has my maps, it hasmy music, it has all the stuff
that I want to fiddle with, andwhen I driving around, not
supposed to be fiddling withanything, you fiddle with them.
(38:57):
Yeah, don't you?
Don't you play with your?
You don't have a touchscreenbecause you have an old car.
Marc Gregoire (39:03):
I don't have.
I was going to say neither oneof my cars.
Nathan Mumm (39:06):
Have any?
Marc Gregoire (39:07):
technology in it.
Nathan Mumm (39:08):
No, all my technology, I still have manual
windows.
Where are you?
You're the tech people.
Mike Gorday (39:13):
You should be driving around in like.
Nathan Mumm (39:16):
Don't you remember that survey that we did, where
all the technology is spying onyou in these cars that we had
like two years ago?
Mike Gorday (39:22):
Yeah, you know what .
Everything is spying on me allthe time, and anybody who wants
to know that I vacuumed mycarpet yesterday, good on you.
What's?
Speaker 7 (39:31):
that going to do for you and your whole data
gathering.
Nathan Mumm (39:35):
So what's really interesting is Amazon.
You know Amazon Alexa devices,which I have a bunch in my house
.
Itself Poor Amazon has to spenda lot of time making sure those
devices are not listening toyou and they have to appear to
all these legal laws.
And all these other things donot have to do it, so it's a
very interesting deal.
I know that people still don'tlike having an Amazon Alexa in
(39:58):
their house, and I can get that,but what I can say is that
those poor people have to spendso much time getting clearances
and allowing to have theirdevices in that I always feel
much safer than I do any carmanufacturer.
After the article where the carmanufacturers sell your data to
everybody, that really makes meworried about anything I say or
do in my car being recorded andbeing taken care of.
Mike Gorday (40:20):
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I have a Roomba, youknow, and every time I go to
vacuum something, it sits aroundand spins around on the carpet
A couple times, for a long time,okay, and then it stops and
looks at me.
So maybe that's something thatI need to worry about.
There you go.
But, you know I'm notanti-technology.
It does sound like it sometimes.
(40:42):
But I have a problem with howwe use the technology.
Nathan Mumm (40:46):
You're like a room of vacuuming.
Mike Gorday (40:52):
You're proud of Nathan and I for having
non-technology cars.
Yeah, I'm good with that, I'mfine with that.
But I have a newer car.
It has a touchscreen display.
I plug my phone into it.
It generates the maps and youknow, if you live in the Pacific
Northwest, you cannot drivearound without a….
Nathan Mumm (41:11):
Up-to-date map yeah an up-to-date map.
Mike Gorday (41:13):
I used to be able to.
Just I used to never have touse my Google.
Speaker 7 (41:17):
Maps.
Now you have to use it all thetime.
Mike Gorday (41:19):
But yeah, I mean it's convenient.
It's there so I can look at it.
I don't have to take my eyesoff the road and look down and I
can just look at the screen tosee what's going on.
So it's convenient, it works.
That's the kind of technologythat makes my life better.
Nathan Mumm (41:38):
All right, thank you for that mesmerizing moment.
Up next, we have this Week inTechnology.
So, now would be a great timeto enjoy a little whiskey on the
side, as we're going to bedoing so during the break.
You're listening to Tech TimeRadio with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes, hey.
So you know what we need peopleto start liking our social
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(42:01):
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Mike Gorday (42:03):
Is it Patreon?
I think it's Patreon.
Okay, patreon, if you reallylike us.
Nathan Mumm (42:08):
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Mike Gorday (42:08):
And you say I'm the English guy, I butcher the
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Nathan Mumm (42:12):
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Okay, so you know, you butcherthe English language all the
time.
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Mike Gorday (42:17):
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Nathan Mumm (42:23):
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You know the one thatZuckerberg owns, the one that we
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Yeah, we're on Facebook too.
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It seems to be that there's a trend and that's Tech
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That's it.
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That's that simple.
And now let's look back at thisweek in technology.
All right, we're going back tojuly 31st 1971.
Speaking of cars, this is thefirst man to drive on the moon
using the battery-powered lunarroving vehicle, or the LRV.
Astronaut David Scott on theApollo 15 mission became the
first person to drive a vehicleon the moon.
The LRV was used during thelast three missions to the moon
Apollo 15, 16, 17.
(43:28):
It's popularly called the MoonBuggy, a play on the term dune
buggy In the video game.
That's right.
Built by Boeing, each LRV has amass of 462 pounds without
payload.
It can carry a maximum payloadof 970 pounds, including two
astronauts, equipment and cargo,such as lunar samples.
Is that moon gravity or earthgravity?
(43:49):
uh, I don't know I don't know Iwouldn't guess that 970 pounds
is probably uh well, that's it.
Mike Gorday (43:56):
That's a whole.
That's a whole different thingon the moon.
Nathan Mumm (43:59):
Yeah, it could be.
Maybe it could be double thator three times that, I don't
know.
Mike Gorday (44:02):
The three.
Nathan Mumm (44:03):
LRVs, though used during the mission, still remain
on the surface of the moon,still operational today.
So I guess if you can jerry-rigyourself to get to the moon,
you can go over and find one ofthese.
Mike Gorday (44:13):
Yeah, that's my Uber for when I go there.
Nathan Mumm (44:16):
LRVs and then we can have like dune buggy races
on the moon.
Mike, we just got to figure outa way to get to the moon so
that we can go out there and wecan race these bad boys around.
Mike Gorday (44:26):
Well, let's just call up our good friend Elon, or
maybe even Jeff.
Nathan Mumm (44:30):
Jeff Bezos hey, can we?
Which is the one?
Mike Gorday (44:32):
with the weird rockets.
That which is the one with theweird rockets?
That's Bezos.
That's Bezos.
Yes.
Nathan Mumm (44:38):
All right.
So there we go.
All right, that was this weekin tech.
Do they have cup holders onthem?
I don't know if they have cupholders on them or not.
They're probably not the rightsize, though.
It'd probably be a smaller cup.
You know that.
Mike Gorday (44:49):
Probably, I guess I shouldn't bring my water bottle
.
Nathan Mumm (44:51):
That's, that was this week in technology.
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We're going to take acommercial break.
When we return.
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Speaker 1 (45:35):
The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's
Whiskey Mumble.
Marc Gregoire (45:46):
Close to the end of July July 29th.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
What are we?
Mike Gorday (45:48):
celebrating today.
What are we celebrating?
Nathan Mumm (45:52):
today.
Mike Gorday (45:53):
Just give me space buddy.
Nathan Mumm (45:55):
What are we celebrating today, Mark?
Marc Gregoire (45:58):
Cheese Sacrifice Purchase Day.
Cheese Sacrifice Purchase Day.
Mike Gorday (46:03):
Is that some religious thing that I don't
know about?
Marc Gregoire (46:05):
No, the point of this holiday is to buy cheese
specifically to sacrifice it bycutting a piece and putting it
in a mousetrap.
That way you can get rid ofyour house of mice every year.
At least that seems to be theoriginal idea behind it.
Mike Gorday (46:20):
How long has?
Marc Gregoire (46:20):
this been around.
It's been quite a long time.
Nowadays we have more humanemethods of pest control.
Plus, studies show that mice donot even like cheese.
Nathan Mumm (46:29):
Really, so you're putting all the cheese back on
the cartons with the day.
Mike Gorday (46:36):
Can you imagine you have a little altar at home
when you're, you're sacrificingcheese.
Nathan Mumm (46:41):
Be careful.
You know there's a lot ofthings that get trendy, so if
you start doing that out thereyou could have a whole group of
followers that are cheese people.
Mike Gorday (46:49):
There we go.
Nathan Mumm (46:50):
I am the cheese god what is your uh religion going
to be called cheesers?
Mike Gorday (46:56):
Oh, that's a good one.
Nathan Mumm (46:57):
Yeah, okay, all right, okay, continue on, mark.
Sorry, we're excited about thecheese, cheesism, cheesism.
Mike Gorday (47:03):
Okay, like Vernism.
Nathan Mumm (47:05):
Let's go on.
Vernism, never, mind Speakingof sacrifice.
Marc Gregoire (47:08):
Bringing in this whiskey today was a major one.
Nathan Mumm (47:11):
Uh-oh, wild Turkey Rare.
Marc Gregoire (47:13):
Breed NCF, which is non-chill filtered, is an
absolute delicious pour andhonestly it pains me to share it
with these two palate challengeindividuals, oh wow but here I
am making noble sacrifices forthe greater good of the show.
Wow, wow I.
I have a sudden need tosacrifice something that's not
(47:34):
cheese really yeah, okay, asmentioned earlier in the show,
this is an export only product,which means it's not currently
available in the us market.
If you want to get your handson this bottle and I'll bring
the bottle for those watchingthere, it is whoo yep you will
need to look for it abroad.
I was fortunate enough to findthis one at the duty-free store
(47:56):
while driving back from canadaah, there you go okay there you
go now wild turkey rare breedjust the standard us release is
one of my favorite pours,especially for the price.
It is robust and full of richclassic bourbon character.
The non, non-chill filtered orthe ncf version raises the bar
(48:17):
slightly.
It it smoothens out the spice,brings the flavors into better
balance and enhances themouthfeel.
Is it worth picking up?
Absolutely.
Is it worth paying a premiumfor like on the secondary market
?
Not really.
Standard rare breed is nearlyas delicious and remains one of
the best values in birth.
What's the secondary marketprice?
Well, if there are some peopleon this, since it's a abroad,
(48:41):
they kind of double it, so you'dfind it maybe for $80.
Speaker 7 (48:43):
$80.
Okay, okay, all right.
Mike Gorday (48:45):
Well, it's not worth that increasing cost.
It's in Nathan's price range.
Nathan Mumm (48:48):
There you go Well, thank you, mark.
Whiskey and technology such agreat pairing like cheese and
meat on a charcuterie board.
Mike Gorday (48:55):
Oh, did you heard?
Marc Gregoire (48:55):
that from before.
Mike Gorday (48:57):
Wow.
Nathan Mumm (48:57):
He changed it.
Speaker 7 (48:58):
He just made that up.
Mike Gorday (49:00):
He just looked it up on the internet.
Nathan Mumm (49:01):
Hang on now.
All right, now let's preparefor our technology fail of the
week, brought to you by EliteExecutive Services.
Congratulations, you're afailure.
Speaker 7 (49:11):
Oh, I failed.
Did I yes, did I yes.
Nathan Mumm (49:16):
All right.
This week, our technology failcomes to us from Microsoft.
Darkness has fallen over thedigital world.
Hackers cloaked in the shadowshave exploited a deadly flaw in
Microsoft SharePoint software, avulnerability so severe that
it's being called this year'sbiggest data and system breach.
Over the weekend the company hasrushed out to patch to slow the
bleeding, but the damage isalready done.
(49:37):
Cyber criminals are targetinggovernments, corporations and
institutions around the bleeding, but the damage is already done
.
Cyber criminals are targetinggovernments, corporations and
institutions around the globe,slipping past defenses and
infiltrating systems withalarming ease.
Multiple malicious groups areexploiting this weakness.
They already pierced thedefense of European and Middle
Eastern governments, andAmerican agencies, including the
Department of Education, theFlorida Department of Revenue
(49:58):
and even the Rhode IslandGeneral Assembly, are not safe
from their reach.
Well, they won't have to worryabout.
The Department of Education,the Florida Department of
Revenue and even the RhodeIsland General Assembly are not
safe from their reach.
Marc Gregoire (50:02):
Well, they won't have to worry about the
Department of Education for muchlonger.
Nathan Mumm (50:05):
In the shadows, these hackers have also
infiltrated healthcare providersand universities across
Southeast Asia.
Their list of targets spancontinents including Brazil,
canada, indonesia, spain, southAfrica, switzerland, the UK and
the US.
Those aren't continents.
The list't continents.
Mike Gorday (50:22):
Span's continent.
Your AI-generated thing isSpan's continents with these
countries.
With these countries.
That's right.
Let's defend the AI, All right.
Nathan Mumm (50:31):
Tens of thousands of organizations worldwide rely
on SharePoint.
Now the vulnerability of unseenenemy lurking within their
networks.
Microsoft's efforts to patchthe flaw are only the beginning.
The real danger, though, liesin what lurks beyond the surface
of unseen enemy lurking withintheir networks.
Microsoft's efforts to patchthe flaw are only the beginning.
The real danger, though, liesin what lurks beyond the surface
of this.
The vulnerabilities allowhackers to access sharepoint
servers and steal keys that canlet them to impersonate users or
(50:52):
services.
Even after the server ispatched, hackers can maintain
access through backdoors ormodified components that can
survive updates and reboots ofthese systems oh, that's pretty
significant.
Yep cyber sector patching yep,cyber security researchers warn
that 10 000 companies, primaryin the us, the uk, the
netherlands and canada, are animminent danger.
(51:12):
The threat is real, the dangeris imminent and the shadow wars
have already begun.
So let's talk a little bitabout this.
So this is SharePointvulnerability.
Now what happens with SharePointis it's connected to Microsoft
OneDrive, it's connected intoTeams, it's connected into
Outlook.
So this SharePoint application,by default, is designed to
(51:33):
incorporate all of the Microsofttechnologies into one central
location to share information.
That's what SharePoint standsfor is sharing information.
And now that they have accessto not only accounts but backend
information, login information,credentials, the only way to
really secure this would be todo all the patch updates,
(51:57):
necessary Change every singleaccount associated with
SharePoint and anything that'staken care of.
So any backend account that youmay have, a username and
password that runs for anautomated service, will have to
be changed, will have to beupdated in code, and then what
you'd have to do is you'd haveto go in and create each one of
those user accounts and movethose user accounts so that they
(52:18):
all had new IDs and informationcreated for these to be safe.
Mike Gorday (52:24):
So nobody's going to do this because this is, or
we could just get that guy thatwas in the first story and get
Resplit to just delete it all.
To delete it all.
Nathan Mumm (52:33):
So this is actually a really huge danger.
The solution to it is to makesure you don't have an
on-premise SharePoint, but usethe cloud version.
Let's say the cloud version wasnot compromised and that
actually makes sense, becausethe way the cloud version works
is it has plugins that connectfrom each of these devices back
(52:54):
end in their office 365 suite.
But if you have an onsitepremise sharepoint server
anywhere in your environment,the hackers have access to come
into it and find out what'sgoing on and to get all of your
data.
So this is pretty.
This is very significant, verysignificant.
All right, so we're gonna headon out here to our nathan
(53:14):
nuggets, or we're not headingout to our nathan nugget what do
we do?
Mike Gorday (53:17):
what are we doing?
Nathan Mumm (53:17):
oh, we're going whiskey okay, od says no nathan
nugget, my nathan nugget.
What do we do with odious?
What are we doing?
Oh, we're going whiskey.
Okay, od says no nathan nugget.
My nathan nugget was reallygood.
It was about the 14 new updatesthat microsoft has.
You know what?
I'm going to talk about that onan off?
Uh, shoot.
So if you want to see me, I'mgoing to still talk about that
and post it online.
Uh, windows 11 is rolling out14 new features, but now let's
move into our whiskey pick ofthe day.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings
.
Let's see what bubbles to thetop.
Marc Gregoire (53:48):
Well, today we're drinking the Wild Turkey Rare
Breed, the non-chill filteredversion, which is only available
outside the United States.
Straight bourbon from WildTurkey Distillery 116.8 proof
roughly 40 dollars, depending onexchange rate or what country
you get it from yep, all right.
Nathan Mumm (54:06):
What are you giving it, mike?
A thumbs up or thumbs down?
Marc Gregoire (54:08):
yep what's that?
Nathan Mumm (54:09):
thumbs up, buddy.
Thumbs up.
All right, if I gave this athumb down, you would.
You would be like mark wouldjust go this isn't about
popularity contest, buddy.
Mike Gorday (54:18):
If you didn't like it, put it with a thumbs down.
I didn't really like it?
Nathan Mumm (54:21):
actually I did not.
I think it was too much of abite, so I'm going to be a
connoisseur.
I would absolutely buy it forthe price point though, so I
mean the $40 price point.
This is interesting.
Marc Gregoire (54:31):
Your palate is getting worse and worse over
time.
The regular Wild Tricky, whichis a little bit spicier, this
one kind of smooths it out witha non-chill filter.
You gave that a big thumbs uplast time Did I?
Really.
Ody (54:44):
I checked the record.
Marc Gregoire (54:44):
Did you check the record?
Huge thumbs up.
Ody (54:47):
Knowing what you know about this whiskey, would you drive
over to the border to?
Nathan Mumm (54:51):
get it.
Ody (54:52):
Probably not Because how much is it on the secondary?
Mike Gorday (54:56):
$80.
Ody (54:57):
Did you pay $80 for this whiskey?
Mike Gorday (54:59):
No, no Okay.
Ody (55:00):
Would I pay?
Nathan Mumm (55:00):
$40?
You would barely pay $40 for it.
Ody (55:02):
Yes, but you'd have to pay for gas as well.
Are you considering that?
I know so $40.
Nathan Mumm (55:06):
Yeah, so again.
Yeah, I am considering that.
I just didn't.
It was too much of a bite forme.
Mike Gorday (55:12):
So let me understand what you're saying
you don At the original cost bydriving the candidate to get it,
but not drink it.
Nathan Mumm (55:23):
Yeah, because then I could sell it on the secondary
market.
Marc Gregoire (55:24):
I'm almost tempted to leave it here with
you to try a little bit more,because it is tough.
This was our first pour of theday.
It's 116, almost 117 proof.
That's a tough first pour, butafter you've had another drink
or it's in as you've had anotherfood.
Mike Gorday (55:36):
Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about,
because the first, the first sipis the hard sip, okay, and then
it smooths out and is nice andhas this really nice spice and
finish.
Ody (55:46):
I don't know what your problem yeah, but you're
becoming a connoisseur andnathan is not well, yeah, that's
true.
Nathan Mumm (55:52):
So I you know what I'm going to put a thumbs down
on this one okay I, I just itwas just not the same.
You know, know, mark, mark,mark can take it home cause he,
he, he will definitely like that.
All right, I had to bring it incause.
Marc Gregoire (56:04):
I just got this bottle and I was going to finish
it before I made it to the showand I'm like, okay, I got to
bring it to these.
Nathan Mumm (56:09):
You got to bring it to the show, so I was right in
my mumbles that I should changeit.
Marc Gregoire (56:13):
instead of two palette challenge individuals, I
will change in the future.
Mike Gorday (56:17):
My apologies, Mike.
Marc Gregoire (56:18):
I really don't appreciate that.
You have my sincere apology.
It's one challenge, paletteAlright okay.
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