The digital landscape is evolving at breakneck speed, and with it comes a host of unexpected consequences that blur the lines between helpful innovation and concerning overreach. In this eye-opening episode, we examine how AI is creeping into spaces where human judgment and empathy might better serve us.
A troubling new wave of voice phishing attacks has emerged, with cybercriminals using AI to perfectly mimic human voices in real-time conversations. Even tech giant Google fell victim to this sophisticated approach when the notorious Shiny Hunters group breached their Salesforce CRM instance. The days of obvious phishing emails are behind us – now your boss's voice on the phone might actually be an AI impersonation designed to extract sensitive information.
Our special guest Nick Espinoza joins us to unpack the fascinating world of AI competitions, revealing how OpenAI's model recently outperformed Elon Musk's Grok in a chess tournament. But the conversation takes a more serious turn when we discuss government pushes for backdoor access to AI chips – ostensibly for security, but creating vulnerabilities that could be exploited. Most alarming is the FDA's implementation of AI in drug approval processes, with former employees reporting the system hallucinating non-existent studies and misrepresenting research.
The human cost of AI overreach becomes clear when we explore the growing trend of using chatbots for psychological support. As one journalist discovered when using ChatGPT for couples counseling, these systems lack the empathy and insight necessary for therapeutic work, exhibiting "sycophancy" by agreeing with users rather than providing objective guidance.
On a lighter note, we tackle Nintendo's official announcement that Mario has been friend-zoned by Princess Peach after four decades of rescue missions, and share the tale of a man who successfully sued Google after Street View captured him naked in his private backyard despite having a tall privacy wall.
Pour yourself a glass and join us as we taste Still Austin Straight Rye whiskey while navigating the complex intersection of technology, privacy, and human connection in our rapidly evolving digital world.
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Mike Gorday (01:07):
Maybe, maybe, yeah, okay, I'm waiting to see what
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We're glad to have Odie onvacation Not really really that
glad, but hopefully she'senjoying a great time.
I am at the control panel today, so that means you do not know
what's going to happen, right,mike?
It can go crazy or it can gonormal, but welcome everyone.
Mike Gorday (01:50):
We already have pretty good evidence about which
way it's going.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Let's start today's show.
Now on today's show.
Nathan Mumm (02:00):
All right, welcome to Tech Time Radio.
Today on the show, we have NickEspinoza back and he's going to
be talking not aboutcybersecurity, but he's going to
be talking about AI.
He's going to explain what isgoing on in the world and a few
key AI stories.
In addition, we have, of course, our standard features,
including Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
Our technology fail the week ata possible absolutely Nathan
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Nugget and our pick of the daywhiskey tasting to see if our
selected whiskey pick is 0, 1,or 2 thumbs up at the end of the
show.
But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Broadcasting across the nation.
Broadcasting across the nationfrom the east of the week.
Nathan Mumm (02:37):
Let me try that again.
Here we go again.
Damn it.
And now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Here are our top technology stories of the week.
Nathan Mumm (02:49):
All right Story number one Google is the latest
company to suffer a data breachin its ongoing wave of
Salesforce CRM data theftattacks Conducted by the group
known as Shiny Hunters.
Let's go to Lisa Walker formore on this story hunters.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Let's go to Lisa Walker for more on this story.
In June, google warned that athreat actor they classify as
UNC6040 was using a voicephishing social engineering
attack to breach Salesforceinstances and download customer
data.
In an update, google said thatit, too, fell victim to the same
attack after one of itsSalesforce CRM instances was
breached and customer data wasstolen.
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As for the other companiesimpacted in these attacks, one
company has already paid fourbitcoins, or approximately
$400,000, to prevent the leak oftheir data.
Back to you guys in the studio.
Nathan Mumm (03:45):
All right, so let's talk about this.
So this is a phishing attack,right?
Put a bounty of their data Backto you guys in the studio.
All right, so let's talk aboutthis.
So this is a phishing attack,right, put a bounty on their
heads, all right.
So somebody already spent fourBitcoin.
I remember when Bitcoin wasnothing, but now it's worth
almost $100,000.
So $400,000 was paid out.
This phishing attack used voicerecordings to make them sound
like somebody else, and usedreal-time voice recordings to
make them sound like somebodyelse, and used real-time voice
conversations to convince thepeople to allow access, so we've
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talked about this as phishing.
Now this phishing voice isbecoming kind of the new edge
AI-assisted cybercriminal toolthat is being used so you can
have a monitor set up, you talkinto it, you can have a
real-time conversation withsomebody on the phone, convince
them of what's going on in thevoice of somebody else, and then
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, all of a sudden, they say,sure, yeah, we'll get things
taken care of.
Now.
Shiny Hunters has been aroundfor years, responsible for a
wide range of breaches,including the PowerSchool,
oracle Cloud, snowflake, dataTheft Attacks, at&t, nitro, pdf,
wattpad, mathway and many, manymore that they have been a part
of.
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Now, with this breach, though,from this data breach, many
other companies, of course, thatuse Salesforce CRM are going to
be a part of this attack, andthat includes Adidas, qantas,
alliance, life, cisco andTiffany Company.
Now what happens to Google now?
So they disclose theinformation, they pay a fine?
And Tiffany Company Now whathappens to Google now?
So they disclose theinformation, they pay a fine and
they move on?
Is our data not secure anymore,and does it seem that companies
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are getting so lax aboutsecurity or the damages it does
that no one cares?
Mike Gorday (05:18):
Where are we even asking if our data?
Nathan Mumm (05:20):
is secure.
I'm kind of curious about this.
What is your take on this?
Mike Gorday (05:24):
Mike, Specifically I want your take on your data.
Well, it's understandable whythey're using this method,
because if you can have somebodysitting behind a machine and
actually conversing while themachine converts your voice into
that of another person, itmakes more sense instead of some
chatbot type of thing that maygive you some weird answer.
Nathan Mumm (05:48):
Okay, Mark, have you seen or been victim to any
of this phishing stuff yourself?
No not yet, not yet.
Okay, it will happen Not yet.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Yeah, so there it is.
Mike Gorday (05:57):
Not yet, I just want to know.
Marc Gregoire (05:58):
You said the group's been around for a long
time.
Nathan Mumm (06:01):
Yeah.
Marc Gregoire (06:01):
So do you know how long Are they our age where
they're using that old toy voicemodulator that we all used to
have?
Nathan Mumm (06:08):
No, and they're not using the Home Alone version of
the.
What is it?
The voice boy, or whatever that.
Mike Gorday (06:14):
Macaulay Culkin recorded all the stuff.
Here we go with the fantasyreferences.
Nathan Mumm (06:18):
So it's not that no , but they're just using.
I mean, you can go to any AItool set now, pay literally five
bucks to seven bucks, importpeople's voices on YouTube.
I've done this myself.
Import voices on YouTube andthen reuse those voices, type in
text and have it in a real-timeconversation where I can sound
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like a female, I can sound likea robot, I can sound pretty much
whatever I do, by just takingexisting youtube videos and
making the uh correlation there.
Marc Gregoire (06:47):
So are they pretending to be like something,
somebody from salesforce,because you really wouldn't need
a voice modulator?
Are they taking voice clipsfrom, like, the ceo of the
company and pretending to bethem?
Nathan Mumm (06:57):
so they have done it for local people and security
people.
The the case that I did my deepdive into, they were actually
the boss of the employee itselfat the help desk service.
They called on in and said hey,I know we don't need to do it
this way or this way, but I needto grab this information really
quick.
There's a bunch of breachesthat are going around right now
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and I want to protect us.
So they literally used thebreaches that were in the news
as a what do you want to say?
Prop to actually get in andconvince the people to give them
access codes.
Marc Gregoire (07:27):
So is the new thing to look if your boss is
calling from an unknown number.
Nathan Mumm (07:32):
That would be probably pretty smart to do
right.
But you know what I get, thespam calls.
Do you ever get the one thatsays like unknown caller, or
then you get like likely fraudor likely scam or scam likely.
Those are all different type ofcategories that I get on my
phone.
What I'm finding is now thatall those scam likelies are
actually legit numbers for a lotof the people that are calling.
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So now, whatever algorithm thatwe had or whatever type of
security we used to have to makesure this was in check, now it
just comes as everything being ascam likely call.
Even if it's my wife calling me, it could be a scam.
Marc Gregoire (08:06):
But I mean?
So now you don't know what todo, right, Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Your wife is in your contactbook.
Nathan Mumm (08:10):
Well, sometimes she uses a voice over IP phone when
she's at her preschool and thenif you get a call there and it
comes in from an unknown number,boom all of a sudden guess what
happens?
I probably should.
Marc Gregoire (08:20):
I probably should write Because you're Nathan
Nugget about having your phonenot answer those calls.
Nathan Mumm (08:24):
No, that's not what Nathan Nugget's about.
Mike Gorday (08:25):
You just need to be grumpy like me and never answer
your phone.
Is that what you need to be?
That's right.
I never answer my phone.
Marc Gregoire (08:31):
Mike needs a new hat Instead of don't click on
it's like don't do.
Nathan Mumm (08:35):
Don't do, that's right Stuff.
Don't do any technology.
Mike Gorday (08:39):
Most likely like my child self, who grew up without
all this stuff.
Okay, right, I write mypasswords down.
All right, that's good.
I don't answer my phone Okay,that's good.
I don't answer emails.
I don't open most of my emails,okay.
So, yeah, I live a prettypeaceful life.
Marc Gregoire (09:02):
Okay, well, that's good, isn't that,
psychologically, the pattern ofour lives, though, don't, as we
age and we get older and older,go back to our younger childhood
selves?
Nathan Mumm (09:10):
I don't know when you see a baby.
I always swear, a baby lookslike you when you're dead right,
when they come out all wrinklyand everything like that.
Mike Gorday (09:17):
What the hell is that when you see a brand new
born baby.
Nathan Mumm (09:19):
You see them all wrinkly.
What does that?
Mike Gorday (09:20):
have to do with the question.
Nathan Mumm (09:22):
I think that you always revert back to the very
beginning of life.
Mike Gorday (09:26):
No, no, no.
You need to just stay overthere where you're at and not
talk Control the boards.
Mike and I are talking, Okaysorry, yeah, there's always this
sort of nostalgic playback inour lives because we often
optimize, or what's the wordOptimismize?
Marc Gregoire (09:47):
Optimismize.
Nathan Mumm (09:47):
We remember the good things of your childhood
and you don't remember the badnext to me?
Mike Gorday (09:49):
yeah we remember that.
We remember the good things wewe tend to.
We tend to color our past withgoodness, and so when we get
stressed out in our older ages,we tend to want to revert back
to those that makes sense.
Nathan Mumm (10:03):
All right, let's go on to story number two.
Are you ready for this one?
This is, I don to want torevert back to those.
That makes sense, all right,let's go on to story number two.
Are you ready for this?
Mike Gorday (10:06):
one.
This is I don't want to dostory.
Yeah, story number two allright must do about robots this
is about somebody who used chatgpt, chat gpt as a marriage
counselor relationship what?
Tell me more.
No, tell's bad.
What's that?
I can't, I just can't.
Marc Gregoire (10:28):
Really.
Mike Gorday (10:36):
Okay, so this person decided to use ChatGPT as
a couples counselor.
All right.
The whole idea was is that youknow, Gen Z is using artificial
intelligence for a lot ofdifferent things, like dating
advice which I don't know whythey're doing that and A this
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person decided they wanted totry and get some sort of what do
you call it Therapeutic resolveat a a cheaper price probably
right, well, yeah, okay, I mean,going to a counselor is.
So there's two problems withsome of this stuff.
One is that the idea thatyou're going to counselors
before problems arise in arelationship, okay, I find that
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to be a problem, because if youare going to a counselor before
problems arise, that meansthere's already problems.
Because you're anticipatingthese big problems are going to
show up and then you're going toa counselor to try to solve
them, and part of that isbringing up the big problem.
So it's sort of like aself-fulfilling prophecy.
Okay.
The other one is don't use chatGPT.
(11:43):
Why is that?
Don't use a chatbot, okay.
Okay.
The other one is don't use chatGPT.
Why is that?
Marc Gregoire (11:48):
Don't use a chatbot.
Okay, okay, okay, it's veryobjective.
Yeah, supposedly it is not.
It is not objective.
Mike Gorday (11:54):
Okay, so the people that are saying it's objective,
they so like this person here,according to a recent nationwide
survey by Match.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Yeah, Matchcom Chat.
Mike Gorday (12:04):
GPT is being used to weed out dating prospects and
they're saying that it's prettyobjective.
Nathan Mumm (12:10):
Okay, so it's objective.
Mike Gorday (12:14):
It's got no emotionally attachment to
anything.
It's got no emotionalattachment.
But isn't that how you'resupposed to get dates?
Is through emotional attachment, right?
You're supposed to likesomebody, and if you have
somebody that's crawling throughyour profile with a language
scraper, yeah, and saying, oh,this isn't a good match because
this, this and this, why are youlistening to that?
(12:36):
Okay, that makes sense.
Okay.
Now, of course, there are otherproblems that I'm not
addressing about the wholedating thing anyway, but this
person, this journalist, saidshe feels like it gives better
advice than her friends a lot ofthe time.
Nathan Mumm (12:56):
Okay, that kind of makes sense.
That could be true.
Mike Gorday (12:58):
That could be true.
I absolutely think that couldbe true.
And then said better advicethan my therapist, okay.
So if ChatGPT is giving youbetter advice than your
therapist, okay.
So if, if chat gpt is givingyou better advice than your
therapist, you need to find anew therapist that's probably, I
think.
Nathan Mumm (13:10):
We're on, we're on I think we're on the same all
pages on that okay.
Marc Gregoire (13:14):
What do they say now?
Mike Gorday (13:14):
the same screen yeah, I don't know.
So, anyway, she decided toimmerse herself in this trend
and, drawing on the theory thatcouples should ask or seek
therapy before major problemsarise Okay, this is what I
talked about earlier I proposedor she proposed to her boyfriend
of less than six months, lessthan six months that they turn
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to AI chatbot for advice.
Okay, assess the bot's feedbackand share the results.
Okay, okay.
So I want you to learn a term.
Yeah, okay, okay.
So I want you to learn a term.
Yeah, it's called sycophancy,sycophancy, sycophancy,
sycophancy, sycophancy,sycophancy sycophancy.
Nathan Mumm (13:57):
You know what a sycophancy is no, not a chance.
Mike Gorday (14:00):
Sycophancy is one of those obsequious people that
always agree with you and holdyou up and exalt you and are
like yes, man.
Nathan Mumm (14:08):
Really?
Yes, I've never met one ofthose people in my life.
Marc Gregoire (14:11):
Really, he's definitely not married to one of
those.
I'm not married to one of those.
Mike Gorday (14:15):
I'm not sure you're using ChatGPT correctly,
because sycophancy is one of theprimary problems with AI-driven
chatbots.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (14:26):
It means they agree with everything All right.
For example, in this articlethey reference a person who had
some severe mental illnessissues and was using a chatbot,
and because the chatbot was sosycophantic or agreeing and
uplifting to this person, thatperson never sought medical
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attention oh, that's not good.
Okay, okay, okay, okay so that'sthe first problem.
So the person who's queryingthe chat bot is going to get
this effect and the chat bot isnaturally going to go with them,
okay, okay, that's not a anobjective point view.
So the article talks about thisand how the person had to go
(15:08):
back and restate a question many, many times in order to get the
chatbot to give it somethingthat was objective and objective
is subjective here, because wereally can't define what
objective is when we're lookingat it with ourselves.
Nathan Mumm (15:27):
That makes sense.
Mike Gorday (15:27):
Yep.
Marc Gregoire (15:28):
Yep.
Mike Gorday (15:28):
Yep.
So this person, this personused this several times and you
know, it just didn't come out.
It started blaming theboyfriend for being too
emotional, for being tooemotional, and then it started
talking to the person that wasmaking the queries, that they
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were carrying the emotionalbaggage of two, and so it made
the problem worse.
This is not what you need to bedoing.
Nathan Mumm (15:55):
So don't use chat GPT to help you.
Mike Gorday (15:58):
Okay, so these things we want to pretend like
this is some sort of human thing, and it's not.
It comes from human things, butit's not a human thing.
It doesn't have empathy for one, it can't empathize with the
person it's talking to, yeah,and it doesn't have human
insight.
Okay, so it can't sit acrossfrom somebody and listen to what
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they're saying and understand.
Nathan Mumm (16:23):
If they're crying, know that they're emotionally
distraught or not right.
That's empathy.
Mike Gorday (16:27):
No, I'm talking about when they're saying stuff
that you have insight, that whatthey're saying is not actually
what they're saying, but they'retrying to tell you another
message by telling you thismessage, right, gotcha?
Marc Gregoire (16:40):
It can't do that Okay.
Mike Gorday (16:42):
So all it can do is scrape its language model for
responses that it thinks you'relooking for, and this is not
therapeutic, all right.
So do not use AI fortherapeutic reasons.
It will almost always backfire.
Marc Gregoire (17:05):
All right, good to know.
You know nathan's gonna go dothis now.
So no, no, no no nathan'salready done this.
Mike Gorday (17:11):
No, I haven't.
I haven't done chat gpt for anycounseling stuff?
No, I know, but we've, we'vedone it with me and you have
both played with it with the uhai companions yes, we, we,
because we do test for the show.
Nathan Mumm (17:24):
And so if we'll have a show prep, mike and I may
go off on a tangent later on inthat evening and either we're
playing chess or we're doingsomething else, and we will test
these things out to see how itgoes right and we'll yell at
people and we'll do differentthings to see how these bots
interact.
And it's always been thesedating bots that are the ones
that I love the most, the onesthat they try to pretend like
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they like they're going to dostuff.
Mike Gorday (17:47):
That's sycophancy.
So, what happened here is thatthese two, this couple they said
a few times they felt like thechat GPT gave objective and
creative feedback or offered avalid analysis of their
communication styles, but ittook a lot of work for them to
get there and it wasn't probablyworth the time and effort to
(18:08):
get it to where they could spendtime communicating to each
other right yeah.
So what their conclusion was isthat they were going to go back
to putting all their time andinjury energy into their human
relationship.
Oh see, very good, that's verygood, very good, good, so it
worked.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
I guess ChatGPT helped him.
Mike Gorday (18:30):
If we want to say that taking a gun and shooting
yourself in the foot keeps youfrom playing with guns.
Yeah, okay, yeah that workedAlright.
Nathan Mumm (18:37):
we're going to go on to story number three.
Nintendo clears up Mario's lovelife by having Princess Peach
friend zone him.
Now for over four decades,mario has been risking his life
and limb for Princess Peach.
Bowser keeps on kidnapping her,and it's up to the Italian
plumber to rescue her.
(18:57):
Why?
Speaker 7 (18:58):
are we going there?
Nathan Mumm (18:58):
Across dozens of main games, spin-offs, movies
and everything else in between,mario and Princess Peach have
been linked.
In some cases, their specialbond has been a bit more
romantically charged than others.
However, after years of anguish, Nintendo has crushed the dream
for Mr Mario.
Mario has officially beenfriend-zoned by Princess Peach.
(19:20):
Nintendo released a statementsaying, quote Princess Peach and
Mario are good friends to helpeach other out whenever they can
.
Mike Gorday (19:26):
The message reads Okay, alright, look alright.
What's that, Aside from thefact that we're actually talking
about this?
Nathan Mumm (19:33):
Most games end with a kiss of death, but this one
ends with no kiss at all.
Mike Gorday (19:37):
Whatever Okay why are we talking about this.
Nathan Mumm (19:42):
First off what?
Mike Gorday (19:42):
does Princess Peach do for Mario?
She just gives him stuff to do,okay.
Nathan Mumm (19:48):
Right yeah.
Mike Gorday (19:48):
She gets kidnapped and he has to go wreck him, so I
guess they're already married.
Nathan Mumm (19:52):
What does she do?
What does she do?
She says Mario, please rescueme.
Mike Gorday (19:56):
Okay, and then when you go there, is that what the
balance of a good friendship isall about, is it?
Nathan Mumm (20:01):
Toad that's there that says the princess is in
another castle and you keep ongoing for another and another.
Mike Gorday (20:06):
Is she secretly involved with Toad or Bowser?
Nathan Mumm (20:11):
I think she probably likes the bad boy,
because somehow she getscaptured all the time she's
going to spend a lot of timewith Bowser.
Mike Gorday (20:17):
I think she's just two-timing Mario.
Nick Espinosa (20:18):
Is that what it is?
Mike Gorday (20:19):
She's just leading him on.
Is that what's going on here?
I don't know that ends.
I don't know what Nintendoneeds to be bothering with
clarifying this relationship.
Well, this is a big deal.
Why is this a big deal?
Nathan Mumm (20:30):
Dude, this has got like 14 million hits about this.
So I mean, you know what Peopleare crying in their sleep?
Mike Gorday (20:38):
They're going to chat GPT now to ask how they can
succumb to this problem.
Here's the thing here.
If this is all about friendzoning, Mario needs to stop
because he's enabling this chick.
So your counseling advice isMario needs to go on a new
adventure.
Mario needs to find somebodywho's going to be respectful.
Nathan Mumm (20:56):
Forget Princess Peach, he's going to go with
somebody else.
Mike Gorday (20:58):
And give him what he desires.
Nathan Mumm (21:00):
Isn't Zelda a gal?
Isn't Zelda a gal?
Mike Gorday (21:02):
Or Zelda, a guy, I don't know.
Nathan Mumm (21:04):
I have no idea.
Is it a girl right?
So you know what Mario needs togo after Zelda.
Way more to add to the guy Ithought.
Mike Gorday (21:11):
Zelda and Link were together.
I don't even know why we'retalking about this.
But at the same thing, if wewant to define healthy
relationships, if Peach andMario are friends and Mario
spends all of his time rescuingPeach from dangerous situations,
there's a really big imbalanceof stuff going on in this.
Marc Gregoire (21:33):
They're good friends, they're not good
friends.
They're not good friends.
They're not good friends.
Mike Gorday (21:37):
She doesn't give Mario anything.
Nathan Mumm (21:40):
Lots of kisses.
Mike Gorday (21:42):
But they're not romantically involved.
But she gives him lots ofkisses.
Nathan Mumm (21:46):
That is our top technology stories of the week.
When we return, nick Espinozafrom Security and Fanatics will
join the show.
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Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without any
political agenda.
We verify the facts and we dealwith a sense of humor in less
than 60 minutes and, of course,with a little whiskey on the
side.
Today, mark Gregoire, ourwhiskey connoisseur, is in the
studio.
Mark, what whiskey are wetasting today?
Marc Gregoire (23:09):
We have brought for you from Whiskey Chris.
Nathan Mumm (23:12):
Okay, Whiskey Chris .
Marc Gregoire (23:16):
It's his bottle and he let us borrow Still
Austin Straight Rye Whiskey.
The artist.
Now, art comes in manydifferent forms, from the
simplest line drawing to themost complex symphony, but all
good art has something in commonit begins with inspiration.
The artist is galvanized by avisit from the muse and can't
help but take up the chisel, thepen, the camera, the paintbrush
(23:37):
.
This is a whiskey for dreamers.
Is that Princess Peach, notPrincess Peach?
Visionaries, mike and theartists who inspire us all.
It's the ultimate marriage ofthe art and muse.
The spirit's blushing, oaky hueforetells a complex nose With
chocolate, apricot, sandalwood,ginger and caramel.
(23:58):
On the palate it finishes withrye spice, nutmeg, clove,
cinnamon, molasses and orangezest.
That all comes from theirwebsite.
Very wordy, okay.
Nathan Mumm (24:12):
Have you tasted this before, Mark.
Marc Gregoire (24:14):
Before today.
Yeah, yeah, when Chris broughtit over, okay, okay.
I put it up against.
It's a rye, okay.
So let me tell you a littleabout the bottle.
So it's from Still AustinWhiskey Company, which is from
Austin, texas.
It's a straight rye two years,99.6 proof, 100% Texas rye for
$45.
And we did a little tastingwith this and about four or five
(24:35):
other ryes okay, all right,you're not gonna tell us yet how
how it did against absolutelynot okay.
All right, stay tuned.
Nathan Mumm (24:41):
All right okay well , with our first whiskey tasting
completed, let's move on to ourfeature segment.
Today, our technology expert,nick espinoza, is joining the
show.
He's an expert in cybersecurity and network
infrastructure.
He infrastructure.
His clients range from smallbusiness to the Fortune 100
level.
In 1998, at the age of 19, nickfounded Windy City Networks,
(25:02):
which was later acquired in 2015.
He then created SecurityFanatics, where he's the chief
security fanatic.
We welcome now Nick to our show.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Welcome to the segment we call Ask the Experts.
Hi Nick Radio expert NickEspinoza.
Nathan Mumm (25:23):
All right, Nick.
Welcome to the show.
How's everything going?
Can you hear us there?
Nick Espinosa (25:27):
Yep, yep, I can hear you guys just fine and just
real quick.
On the first segment one, shinyHunters has been around since
2020, 75 years old, which is old, okay and uh.
In this and also, illinois, twodays ago, was the first one to
actually pass a a ban on aitherapy requiring humans to
actually do the therapy for you.
Nathan Mumm (25:47):
So there you go.
See, nick is our just use ofthe resource of information
there yes, now you need to moveto illinois.
Marc Gregoire (25:53):
We need nick to host this show.
Nathan Mumm (25:54):
That's right.
You know what.
Nick is going to be able tohost that maybe sooner than
later from a different country,Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Nick what's?
Mike Gorday (26:01):
your take on Princess Peach and Mario.
Nathan Mumm (26:02):
Yeah, there you go.
Princess Peach and Mario.
Are you hurt from that, Nick?
Nick Espinosa (26:07):
There you go.
So that's brutal.
I mean friend zoned it at somepoint, but to be friend zoned it
for like four decades like yeah, that's a little much maybe
maybe, I don't know maybe hangout with luigi more uh, that
would make sense.
Nathan Mumm (26:22):
There you go, that's right.
What if luigi's dating peachsee?
Speaker 7 (26:26):
that would be the ultimate right there, that would
be the betrayal of all things.
Nick Espinosa (26:30):
They're brothers all right, we just no, we just
assume they're brothers, right,oh that.
Nathan Mumm (26:35):
Oh, that's true, mario Brothers.
It could be a synonym for likea business partner.
Mike Gorday (26:40):
right, I'm pretty sure they've established that
Mario's brothers with Luigi inmany of these little.
Nathan Mumm (26:46):
Have they?
I don't know.
Let's move on.
Okay, all right, nick, tell us,for all the new listeners, tell
us a little bit about yourself.
Nick Espinosa (26:54):
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm Nick Espinosa, the chiefsecurity fanatic of security
fanatics, obviously all thingscyber warfare, cyber terrorism,
cyber security, all that kind ofstuff.
And you come hang out with meon YouTube.
I also do podcasts, all thatkind of stuff, write articles
for Forbes and blah blah blah.
So happy to be here, as always.
Nathan Mumm (27:12):
All right, all right.
Now, today we're going to pivota bit right when, instead of
the crazy cyber criminals, we'regoing to be talking about some
AI stuff.
Right, my other favorite topic.
So everybody's passionate aboutAI.
I'm either a positive or anegative side of AI.
There doesn't seem to be anymiddle ground people.
I've never heard anybody in mylife that said well, I kind of
like AI, it's kind of great, Iappreciate some of it.
Mike Gorday (27:35):
It's either I hate, it or I love it.
I don't hate all of it.
Marc Gregoire (27:39):
I think your sphere is built of just you and
Mike, is it just?
Nathan Mumm (27:42):
me and Mike.
Are there other people outthere?
I think there's a lot of peoplelike me that see the benefits
of it but, also see some of thepotential harm.
Marc Gregoire (27:50):
And if there's not safe cards, on it.
Mike Gorday (27:51):
There's no potential harm.
There is harm, there is harm.
Nathan Mumm (27:54):
All right, nick.
Okay, here we go.
First, let's talk about an AIchess match.
This just happened.
All right, this is just in thenews, and I'm a big chess player
.
Mike's a big chess player.
Mike Gorday (28:05):
Right, we're on chesscom I wouldn't say I'm a
big chess player.
Nathan Mumm (28:09):
You play, I play chess online and we play against
each other quite a bit.
I used to kill you all the timeand now you're starting to to
beat me up, so I don't know.
That's why I haven't beenplaying.
Mike Gorday (28:18):
That's what happens when you learn something.
That's right.
Nathan Mumm (28:20):
So the AI companies all got together for a chess
match.
What happened, what was thisabout and what was the outcome?
Nick Espinosa (28:28):
Okay, so basically what we're talking
about here is essentiallyGoogle's Kaggle.
This is a platform thatessentially allows scientists to
put their AI models up to taskto play chess and all these
things with it.
So eight large language modelsbasically entered a tournament.
Now, these are basically AIsthat are not designed
(28:50):
essentially to play chess.
These are the chat GPTs of theworld where you can go get
therapy where you shouldn't gettherapy right.
So Anthropic Google, openai,xai aka Grok, basically, as well
as Chinese developers DeepSeekand Moonshot all basically
entered this tournament, and sowhat happened was essentially
(29:11):
OpenAI beat the whole thing, andit's really interesting.
So OpenAI's O whole thing, andit's really interesting.
So OpenAI's 03 model emerged asthe winner and then Grok
actually took second place.
So, in other words, openai beatElon Musk's Grok, and I think
that's actually reallyinteresting, because when we're
talking about Grok, given allthe garbage that Grok has been
(29:32):
learned on, I'm just amazed itdidn't angrily kick over the
first virtual chessboard it sawand declared it wanted to invade
Poland.
Marc Gregoire (29:38):
I mean, the thing is not, Are we sure it didn't
cheat Nick?
Well hey, it's very possibleright.
Nick Espinosa (29:46):
So OpenAI won with 03, their model 03,
followed by Grok.
Google's Gemini took thirdplace as well, and so obviously
these things are designed foreveryday tasks, not to play
chess.
So they're still improving onit, and so Grok, for example
that took second place made anumber of errors in the final
round of games, including losinghis queen or losing its queen
(30:07):
repeatedly.
The queen, obviously a veryimportant chess piece, right.
Nathan Mumm (30:11):
And so here we are.
Ten points, go ahead.
It's worth ten points in thechess when you capture we don't
need to know that, I just okayokay there.
Mike Gorday (30:18):
Yes, keep on going.
Nathan Mumm (30:19):
Sorry in your booth I was just trying to say that I
was up to never mind.
Keep on going, keep on going.
Nick Espinosa (30:22):
Sorry nick, sorry like right, right so, but, but.
But strategy games like chessor go you know the chinese game
go these are oftentimes used tobasically assess models,
abilities to learn and adapt,because chess has a bazillion
moves, go has like a quintillionmoves, you know.
So it's an interesting one.
But if anything, I think we'regoing to see these models just
(30:44):
simply improve.
But it's a good testing groundto understand the limitations of
large language models.
They're not perfect, you know.
Even the new chat, gpt-5, cameout.
People are asking it weirdquestions how many bees are in
the word blueberry?
And it's saying there are three.
You know, one in blue, two inberry.
Mike Gorday (31:02):
Do the math on that .
Nick Espinosa (31:02):
So we have a ways to go, but they're getting
better.
Mike Gorday (31:05):
Yeah, that's okay, they got to be.
Oh, they're not perfect.
I don't understand.
No, they're not.
Nathan Mumm (31:10):
All right.
Now governments are pushinghard for AI chip backdoors.
This is a new thing that'shappening here.
What is this about and whatsecurity risks would this for
the everyday person have toworry about?
Yeah, yeah.
Nick Espinosa (31:28):
So actually I think there are pros and cons to
this, but the nutshell is, uslawmakers are trying to push
NVIDIA, the biggest maker ofGPUs and chips, out there, to
basically grant governments backdoors into these AI chips.
And, for the record, china isalready saying NVIDIA is doing
that and letting the governmentin right.
So obviously NVIDIA wants to bethe dominant supplier in the
world, including to China.
(31:49):
But obviously there are riskswith that right.
And here's the thing Chinesechip companies are steadily
improving their performance,primarily because they're
getting a lot of theintellectual property.
You know we just caught twoChinese nationals shipping
NVIDIA chips overseas the otherday.
So this obviously is a hugething because China is trying to
do a homegrown model for AIchips, but they know they're way
behind NVIDIA right now, and soI think some of the pros to a
(32:12):
backdoor would be things likeemergency deactivation and
containment of like a rogue AI.
The thing wants to goTerminator and you can basically
flip a kill switch.
That's not too bad, you know.
You could also enforcesanctions.
So if the let's say, theChinese do steal an NVIDIA chip,
you might be able to brick thechip, all those kinds of things.
So obviously unauthorizedrepurposing or misuse of this,
you know, essentially is one ofthose things, but I think the
(32:34):
cons outweigh the pros here,because, by virtue of putting in
a backdoor, you're basicallycreating an exploitable
vulnerability.
Nathan Mumm (32:42):
And it's by default , right, I mean, and everybody
finds vulnerabilities in thestuff that isn't there.
So now, all of a sudden, you'reputting a chip in there that
people will specifically target,because they know that the
whole reason it's set up is todo that.
Nick Espinosa (32:56):
Exactly exactly Vulnerability is cropping
anything, intentionally orotherwise, like HP Aruba, like
the wireless access points.
We just found that theengineers at HP had hard-coded a
password into all the accesspoints that they had to fix.
But now that that's out, ifyou're not updating your Aruba
access points, somebody couldpretty much walk into the thing,
right.
So that is a huge issue.
(33:18):
On top of it, it could beviewed as like cyber espionage
around the world if they think,oh well, we're buying NVIDIA
chips and the NSA from theUnited States has access to this
thing.
Not to mention ownership rightsof buyers.
If you're buying something,that's a huge thing.
I mean think about like anAmazon Kindle.
If I buy a book there and thenAmazon has a falling out with
the publisher, they'll justdelete the book off my Kindle.
(33:40):
They've been caught doing that.
But if I buy a physical book,nobody from Amazon is knocking
on my door saying, yeah, we wantthat back and you're not
getting your money back, right.
So it comes down to a trustthing.
So it's a huge thing, not tomention system disruptions if
they are exploitable.
So I think that it's not a goodthing overarchingly.
Not that I want the terminatorsof the world to have no checks
(34:00):
against them.
But you know, here we are.
Mike Gorday (34:03):
All right, let's have Chad.
Gpt advise them, let's haveChad.
Nathan Mumm (34:07):
Well, so this gets even better.
You're going to like this, mike.
Here we go, nick, is it truethat the FDA's AI is creating
fake studies that are nowbecoming real facts for our
large language models?
Nick Espinosa (34:21):
Yes, and this, for the record, is why it is
always open bar on Tech TimeRadio, that's right, I can't see
what bottle that is, yes,that's why, we drink on this
program.
There it is this gentleman andMark.
I hope you appreciate it oh,Glenn Levin.
Nathan Mumm (34:35):
Yeah, there you go.
Okay, Very nice, perfect.
Nick Espinosa (34:40):
But anyway, yes, the FDA, or Food and Drug
Administration and Lord knows wecould all use a drink after
this one, anywho RFK Jr, who'srunning HHS that owns the FDA
basically they're making a hugepush to integrate AI tools and
in a recent interview, rfk Jrwent on Tucker Carlson's show on
some online whatever andbasically said that AI will very
(35:01):
, very soon be used to approvenew drugs quote, very, very
quickly.
So, in other words, they'retrying to speed up this process.
So here's what the news did CNNspoke with six current and
former employees of the FDA,three of whom basically have
used ELSA.
This is the AI that the FDA isusing, and they described it as
harmful.
You know it creates meetingnotes and summaries that are
(35:24):
incorrect.
It started making upnon-existent studies, so it was
basically hallucinating and anAI term that means it was just
straight up lying.
It also could misrepresentresearch, according to his
employees, and so, by virtue ofthat, I started looking at, okay
, what is the approval processfor a drug, and it is a long and
complicated process.
Yes, you know you guys want ahigh level overview of this
(35:45):
thing real quick, because it'sabsolutely insane to insert an
AI into this.
Nathan Mumm (35:48):
All right, so do it real quick.
Yes, real quick.
How difficult.
Nick Espinosa (35:50):
Yeah, yes, real quick.
Nathan Mumm (35:51):
How difficult.
Nick Espinosa (35:53):
Yeah, so preclinical testing, right?
You basically are testing thedrugs in labs on animals, all
that to make sure it's safe.
Then they have to submit what'scalled an IND, an
investigational new drugapplication.
Once that is approved, thenthey can begin human trials.
And then the human trials aredone on a small group of healthy
people that don't have theactual disease or infection or
whatever that the drug istesting Assuming nobody dies in
(36:15):
that, then it goes to the humansthat have this particular
targeted issue disease, whateverit is and then they confirm the
effectiveness, they monitorside effects.
This takes months and months,and months and months, and then,
and only then, can they applyfor an NDA or new drug
application, which thenbasically says all the trials
are good, nobody's dropping likeflies, this is great and boom,
(36:35):
here we are.
You can put that out there, andthen the FDA reviews this and
evaluates it for months andmonths, and months and months,
which obviously is going to bedifficult and then they approve
it and then continue to monitorit after it's out to the general
public.
And with the FDA cutting staff,that's a huge issue.
And if you insert an AI intothis that's just making stuff up
(36:56):
, then it could basically bs awhole bunch of clinical trials
or say, oh, this is good.
When the, the authors were likethis is not good, it's a huge
problem and I think it's goingto get some people killed, if
I'm being perfectly honest withyou that is not so mr positive
ai how do you feel about that?
Marc Gregoire (37:13):
Okay, well, all right.
All right, nick.
The bottom line of this is thisis really a people issue, not
an AI issue.
Everything is a people issue.
Mike Gorday (37:23):
All this is a people issue.
Every single interaction hereis people issues.
Nathan Mumm (37:28):
What's interesting is we always are getting excited
now with AI to replace people.
We want AI to be better andbetter and better.
So we can replace more and morepeople.
Essentially, we want nobody towork.
We want computers to run ourlives and we want to be in
charge of that area, so that wecan just make millions and
millions of dollars.
Mike Gorday (37:46):
AI is becoming our god.
Nick Espinosa (37:48):
Think of the psychological damage it's going
to do to society.
We're already isolated thanksto social media.
We don't want to put our kidsoutside because there are
predators everywhere.
When the predators are actuallyonline, it's a huge thing.
It's much different than whenwe grew up.
That is so this doesn't help.
Nathan Mumm (38:06):
All right, nick.
How can people get in touchwith you On that note?
How can people get in touchwith you Off of the show?
What is the best way to connect?
Nick Espinosa (38:16):
Well, they can find me at the local bar,
because that's probably whereI'm going to be.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
That's right, that's where I'm headed.
Nick Espinosa (38:22):
Feel free to follow me on LinkedIn Twitter at
Nick Espinoza or Nick AESP,either one, and come say hi,
Come hang out.
Nathan Mumm (38:31):
You know what I just would wish Blue Sky would
get their act together andbecome a big dominant force out
there.
It's just hemorrhaging atrelevancy and not being able to
take over Twitter.
Nick just said contact him onTwitter or X, because that is
still the dominant platform.
I bet you, nick, you would loveto say contact me on Blue Sky,
(38:52):
but nobody is quite using itstill yet.
Nick Espinosa (38:54):
I, it's just I'm the same handle on blue sky as I
am on Twitter, but I think partof it was it was a political
divide, and so what you have onblue sky is just a whole bunch
of like-minded people talking toeach other.
So there's no engagement therebeyond.
We all agree.
Mike Gorday (39:08):
Yeah, that's not a good reason.
Nathan Mumm (39:10):
That's a big issue for the platform.
All right, Nick, we thank youso much for being a part of our
show.
Can't wait to have you back onagain, All right, well, that
ends our segment.
Ask the Expert.
Let's now move in to our Mike'smesmerizing moment.
Welcome to Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
(39:32):
What does Mike have to saytoday?
All right, Mike, here's thequestion.
Mike Gorday (39:38):
Let's talk about AI .
Yay, let's talk about AI.
Is there?
Nathan Mumm (39:41):
something in the counseling field that AI could
be used for.
That is good.
Mike Gorday (39:47):
No, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (39:52):
Let's let's.
If it has anything to do withanything other than counseling,
maybe Okay.
Like, if it needs to look intocase notes for something and
find like themes or patternsthat may be helpful, okay.
But if if it's doing directcounseling, absolutely not okay.
(40:16):
It should not be a direct count.
We should not be using it forcounseling.
We should not be using it forcompanionship.
We should not be using it to dolike 50 million things that
it's already doing.
But it's okay to edit throughnotes, not edit, pull
(40:36):
information from.
Like if I were querying a youknow, a I don't know.
Nathan Mumm (40:45):
Some type of document?
Yeah, some type of document.
Mike Gorday (40:48):
If I were querying that that may be Otherwise, no.
Nathan Mumm (40:53):
Mike, thank you for that mesmerizing moment.
Mike Gorday (40:55):
Yeah, I don't think you thanked me.
I think you were like sittingover there going wah.
Nathan Mumm (41:00):
Coming up.
Next, we have this Week inTechnology, so now would be a
great time to enjoy a littlewhiskey on the side, as we're
going to be doing so during thebreak.
You're listening to Tech TimeRadio with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes.
Hey, mike, yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Hey.
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Mike Gorday (41:15):
If you like our show, if you really like us, we
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Okay, patreon.
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You know, you butcher theEnglish language all the time
it's.
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And now let's look back at this week in technology.
Nathan Mumm (42:22):
All right, we're going back to August 13th 1993.
This is a big date.
Here, mike, street Fighter IITurbo Hyper Fighting for the
SNES was released.
Is that a good thing?
That's a great thing.
So this was the game thatstarted the revolution of hyper
fighting.
Now Capcom released StreetFighter II Turbo the hyper
(42:45):
fighting for the Super NES.
In the US, the arcade versionof Street Fighter II sparked the
fighting gaming boom of the1990s, leading to many other
franchises like Mortal Kombatand Virtue Fighter.
There's also tons of otherknockoffs that have happened
since this time, but the SuperNES port brought Street Fighter
2 into the homes and collegedorms, where students spent
(43:07):
hours of countless time battlingtheir friends.
Yep, now I still own this game,so if anybody's feeling
competitive, the battles cancontinue any time.
Now I play one character.
I only play blanco.
That's the only character Iknow he's got electricity yes
and I can last in the arcade.
With the old version arcade 25cents to play I can last about
(43:29):
16 to 20 minutes on that quarter.
Mike Gorday (43:32):
I'm dead serious.
Are you seriously getting on totalk about your humble bragging
about how good you are atBlanca?
Nathan Mumm (43:38):
I just want to say if anybody wants to play, I'm
available Now.
That was this week intechnology.
Mike Gorday (43:43):
Thanks for that.
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Marc Gregoire (44:34):
All right.
Well, at least Nathan yes, inStreet Fighter.
At least you knew there's nofriend zone there.
Nathan Mumm (44:41):
There's no friend zone in Street Fighter.
Marc Gregoire (44:43):
That's true.
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Well, today, August 12th, weare celebrating.
Nathan Mumm (44:50):
Don't tell me you're celebrating friend zone
day.
Marc Gregoire (44:54):
Well, it's the day before August 13th, so just
before that today, nathan isactually celebrating.
Today.
He knows about today, okay.
Mike Gorday (45:00):
What are we celebrating today, Nathan?
Marc Gregoire (45:04):
We talked about it earlier this week.
Nathan Mumm (45:07):
Celebrating.
Mike Gorday (45:08):
Is it like National Elephant Day or something?
Nathan Mumm (45:11):
It was an elephant day too.
There's a couple other thingsthat we were looking at.
Come on, that's like three daysago.
Memory, that short-term memory,is gone.
What was it?
Marc Gregoire (45:19):
National Vinyl Record Day.
Nathan Mumm (45:21):
Oh, we did see that .
Remember that.
We did say that I have vinylrecords.
Yeah, I don't remember that atall.
You don't remember that?
Marc Gregoire (45:34):
Okay, go old school like nathan, our
audiophile okay, spin.
Music lovers around the worldhave disagreements on a number
of things, but one thing wethink everyone can agree on is
vinyl records are here to stay,so now's the time to dust off
the old needle and let the musictake you away on a cloud of
good, good, good vibration okay,this is getting more awkward
that sounds like a beach boysong.
there you go All right, yeah,brian Wilson just passed away
(45:55):
recently.
Oh, did he?
I'm sorry to hear that.
Now, talking about music, it isonly fitting we head to Austin,
home to one of the most iconiclive music scenes in the country
.
Nathan Mumm (46:07):
Oh yeah, I've been down there the week before at a
Dell conference when they hadthe big South by Southwest type
of deal that they had down there.
Tell me more, is that the samething?
Marc Gregoire (46:16):
Well, that's where Still Austin's the Artist
Straight Rye Whiskey may hit allthe right notes for you.
This is one of the few 100%Texas rye whiskeys crafted
entirely from Texas grown grains, distilled in-house in Austin,
austin and aged under theintense Texas sun.
Each bottle features a customlabel painted by a Texas artist,
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part of Still Austin's ongoingcommitment to local artists.
Every release in the seriescelebrates creativity, both in
the whiskey and storytelling onthe bottle.
Wow, now, still Austin's theArtist's Straight Ride did not
leave much of an impression onme.
Uh-oh.
Mike Gorday (46:57):
It didn't leave much of an impression on him
either.
Marc Gregoire (46:59):
Well there's nothing wrong with it.
Yeah, it tastes a little youthyand leans heavily on spice,
without much depth behind it.
It reminds me of elevator musicPerfectly fine in the
background and not something Iwould ever choose to put on.
That said, I'm looking forwardto trying more age expressions
from them down the road, becausethis one's only two years old.
Okay, as there's potential forthis artist.
Nathan Mumm (47:19):
Are they going to come out with a four year and a
seven year and a ten year typeof deal?
They do have those, okay, andyou haven't tasted any of those
yet.
Marc Gregoire (47:25):
I have not Whiskey, chris.
I believe it was the eight yearthat he's had, and he said it
was terrific.
Okay, I have not tasted thatmyself.
Alright, I'm looking forward toit.
That sounds good.
So are we, and as we all drink,we must drink responsibly.
Heaven can wait, heaven canwait.
Nathan Mumm (47:44):
Mark whiskey and technology are such a great
pairing Like bed knobs andbroomsticks.
Marc Gregoire (47:50):
Can you?
Nathan Mumm (47:51):
reference this movie.
Do you remember that movie?
I remember that movie Rememberthat movie?
Marc Gregoire (47:54):
Bed knobs and broomsticks.
Can you reference this movie?
Do you remember that movie?
I remember that movie Rememberthat movie Bedknobs and
Broomsticks.
Mike Gorday (47:57):
Yeah, angela Lansbury was in that, I think,
was it.
Nathan Mumm (48:00):
Angela Lansbury.
Mike Gorday (48:01):
So now.
Nathan Mumm (48:02):
Bedknobs and Broomsticks.
I didn't do the research.
Was that a Disney movie?
Mike Gorday (48:06):
It was a Disney movie.
Nathan Mumm (48:07):
Or was that the imitation like Chitty Chitty,
Bang Bang.
Right, that was a knockoff.
That wasn't actually a Disneymovie, but everybody affiliates
it with a Disney movie becauseit was very high standards.
Marc Gregoire (48:18):
Wasn't Chitty, chitty a knockoff of Bedknobs
and Broomsticks.
Nathan Mumm (48:21):
I think it was.
Marc Gregoire (48:22):
We have to look up the years, because they're
both flying objects.
Nathan Mumm (48:26):
Yeah, one's the bed and one's the car versus there
All right.
Mike Gorday (48:29):
Well, you know what Didn't Disney buy?
Chitty, chitty, bang Bang.
I don't know if they did or not, bedknobs and Bruin Sticks is a
Disney movie.
Nathan Mumm (48:37):
It is a Disney movie, all right Thanks for that
.
Marc Gregoire (48:40):
Hopefully our viewers out there can put in the
chat and fill us in.
Nathan Mumm (48:43):
Okay, that's right.
All right, now let's preparefor our Technology Fail of the
Week, brought to you by EliteExecutive Services technology
experts to help you out of atechnology fail.
Congratulations, you're afailure.
Speaker 6 (48:58):
Oh, I failed.
Did I, yes, did.
Nathan Mumm (49:02):
I?
Yes, all right.
This week our technology failcomes to us from Google, and
it's not about the hack that wetalked about earlier today.
This has to all do with theirmapping system.
Now, this man, who hails frombrag braggado, a small town west
of buenos aires, sued, is that?
Is that braggado, bragado,bragado?
okay, well buenos aires buenosaires there you go, buenos aires
(49:25):
sued the internet giant in 2019, claiming it exposed him to
ridicule at work and among hisneighbors.
C CBS News has reported thisand many others Now.
He argued his privacy wasinvaded in the 2017 photo
capture because he was behind asix and a half foot wall.
The street capture shows thestreet, the house number and
(49:45):
shows him completely nude in hisown private backyard.
Now a recent award came fromthe Argentinian appellate judges
, who overruled a lower courtdecision that stated it was the
fault for walking around ininappropriate conditions in the
garden of his own home thatGoogle needs to pay.
Now.
Google reportedly argued that asix-and-a-half-foot perimeter
(50:08):
wall was not high enough toafford privacy.
Mike Gorday (50:12):
What that's the part of the Google report.
That must be a high camera theygot.
Nathan Mumm (50:17):
That's a fail yeah, okay, that's why it's in the
fail, but the judge citedgoogle's policy of blurring
faces and other identities, likelicense plates for street view,
as evidence.
The company knew that it wouldhave a duty to avoid harm to
third parties and, in a sense,awarded them, in pesos, roughly
$12,500 in fines.
Marc Gregoire (50:39):
That's it, yep.
So you made $12,000.
How much is that?
Mike Gorday (50:43):
worth.
Nathan Mumm (50:43):
You're in there naked and they got your.
Mike Gorday (50:45):
This is for Google Earth right.
Nathan Mumm (50:47):
Well no, this is for Google Streets, but it's a
part of the Google area.
You know that camera that comesrunning around.
People do a lot of things.
They like fall down on theground, they try to make out
with people.
I mean, this has now become asensation where people try to
get on the Google Street cameraswith a bunch of stuff that's
there.
Mike Gorday (51:05):
So there you go, and that was a fail.
How was that a fail?
Well, it was a fail because Ithink it's a fail that people
use chat GPT for counseling.
How do you feel about?
That I think it's a fail thatPrincess Peach friends on Mario.
Nathan Mumm (51:17):
You got a lot of those things that are really
bugging you, aren't they?
Mike Gorday (51:20):
I'm just saying man , okay well.
Marc Gregoire (51:22):
Is it a fail that your glass is empty and I
haven't refilled you?
Mike Gorday (51:25):
That could be a fail Today.
That could be a fail?
Nathan Mumm (51:28):
It could be a fail.
Well, you know what?
Speaking of something unique,let's move on to the Nathan
Nugget.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Oh no, this is your Nugget of the Week, all right?
Nathan Mumm (51:39):
So here we go with our Nugget of the Week.
It's very interesting becausewe're talking about this guy,
hopefully for the last time.
No, no, this is the Newport TipBitcoin Saga.
So this is James Howell.
Marc Gregoire (51:48):
Oh, I love this story.
Nathan Mumm (51:50):
This is the guy that he had his ex-girlfriend
throw out a hard drive that hadover 8,000 bitcoins in 2013.
Marc Gregoire (51:58):
Well, it was his girlfriend at the time
Girlfriend.
Nathan Mumm (52:00):
At the time she didn't mean to do it but she
threw out a hard drive, probablysitting on some table, that
said don't throw out.
She was cleaning it up and tookcare of it.
Now this has lasted 12 years,involving high court, court
appeals, public opinions.
Mike Gorday (52:13):
This is the guy that tried to buy the landfill.
Nathan Mumm (52:15):
That's exactly correct.
So this hard drive is thoughtto be in a landfill right now
and he wants to buy the landfill.
The city said they were goingto close it and he wanted to buy
the landfill.
Well, the city has decidedthey're not necessarily going to
disclose this and what they'renow doing is they're coming to
him for a bill of over $117,000for all the time and effort that
(52:37):
they have had to spend dealingpounds.
That's even more US dollars, soit's even more US Over $100,000
with the fine that he needs tonow pay for all of their wasted
time and effort that they'vespent on this case.
Now, instead of buying the siteto retrieve it, he's decided to
come up with somethingdifferent.
(52:57):
He's created his owncryptocurrency coin and he's
going to try to regain his moneyby having people invest.
Doesn't?
Mike Gorday (53:05):
everybody do this.
Nathan Mumm (53:06):
In his own cryptocurrency.
So now the move for Mr Howelldescribes as a financial
coercion in the part where he isactually saying that he's going
to use his current wallet ascollateral.
So all these Bitcoin and allthese coin things have to have a
collateral that they have oftangible assets.
Mike Gorday (53:26):
He's going to use his $8,000 Bitcoin lost wallet
to back his crypto.
Nathan Mumm (53:30):
That is exactly what he's doing.
He's getting ready to launchthis this fall.
Mike Gorday (53:35):
You know, there's a famous SNL sketch with, you
know, our buddy Elon.
Speaker 7 (53:39):
It's a hustle, it's a hustle.
Nathan Mumm (53:42):
Well, since James's wallet is publicly known and
the blockchain is there for allto see, it's easy evidence that
the 8,000 coins do exist.
The need to rapidly access themto prove their existence isn't
even required.
Ultimately, the market willdecide how valuable they deem
the new coin offering to be, butit will be available for
purchase.
So this is crazy.
(54:02):
So here's what he needs to do.
James just needs to sit downfor another like 10 years, and
then they're going to come upwith a way to recover lost
Bitcoin.
I will guarantee you They'llcome up with a way to recover
old token exchanges that areavailable.
Then he'll be able to get hismoney back.
It'll all be taken care of.
Mike Gorday (54:20):
But instead of waiting that time, yeah, we have
to.
We have to say that he actuallyowns 8 000 bitcoins he could
just be saying he owns, well,there's evidence.
Nathan Mumm (54:29):
There's evidence that his bitcoin that he all had
at one time deposited it showsa transaction.
So no cryptocurrency exchange.
When you transact on theinternet with a cryptocurrency,
all that data still gets tracked.
People think that it'sanonymous.
It thinks that nobody knowswhat's going on.
It's still all in a ledger oftracking of information.
They supposedly say they canfind this evidence that there's
(54:50):
that 8 000 coins do exist.
Mike Gorday (54:52):
You know, this is, this is how obsession becomes a
problem.
Okay, james, yeah, you need tolet it go, buddy.
Marc Gregoire (54:59):
He's having a hard time, Mike, so maybe he
should turn to chat.
I get it.
Mike Gorday (55:03):
I mean, if we're talking about Bitcoin and one
Bitcoin is 100,000, how much isthat 800,000?
Speaker 7 (55:11):
Yeah, 8,000 times 100,000.
Mike Gorday (55:12):
What is that 800,000?
Yeah, it's like 8,000 times100,000.
Nathan Mumm (55:15):
What is that?
It's like 8 billion, you sure?
Yeah, it's in the billions yeah, or 80 billion.
Yeah, it's in the billions.
I just know it's in thebillions.
Marc Gregoire (55:22):
Money's making them crazy.
There you go.
Nathan Mumm (55:24):
All right.
Well, you know what?
Speaker 1 (55:26):
That was my nugget that and now our pick of the day
for our whiskey tastings.
Let's see what bubbles to thetop all right, what do we got
here?
Marc Gregoire (55:39):
mark still austin straight rye whiskey the artist
.
It is a straight rye, two yearsold, 99.6 proof, 100 texas rye,
45 dollars oh, that hits.
Mike Gorday (55:51):
that hits $45.
Oh, that hits everything thathe looks for.
Nathan Mumm (55:56):
I kind of liked it myself.
I don't know about you, but I'mgoing to give it a.
I understand the comments on it, but this is actually I kind of
like a little bit of a spicedwhiskey, so I'm going to give
this absolutely a thumbs up.
Mike Gorday (56:09):
I'm going to give it a thumbs up for the flavor,
because Mark has converted me torye.
I don't think I would buy it,though you wouldn't buy it.
No, okay, I mean, it waspleasant.
It's like elevator music, right?
I wouldn't call it elevator.
I hate elevator music.
Nathan Mumm (56:27):
You don't like elevator music.
I always dance to that.
I like soundtracks.
I think soundtracks are good.
Mike Gorday (56:36):
It's like you know.
It's one of those things that'spleasant when you.
It's like a light rainfall on ahot day, okay.
Nathan Mumm (56:39):
You're out there dancing all around with your
Sprite and 7-Up colas and allthose.
Mike Gorday (56:44):
Is that what you do in the rain?
That's what it is.
Do you do it naked, behind afive-foot step?
Nathan Mumm (56:48):
We want to thank our listeners for joining the
program.
Listeners, we want to hear fromyou.
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Our co-host, mike Roday, is instudio today along with Mark,
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The award-winning author andhuman behavior expert, are you
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Maybe, maybe, yeah, okay, I'm waiting to see what
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(01:32):
and fans to enjoy.
We're glad to have Odie onvacation Not really really that
glad, but hopefully she'senjoying a great time.
I am at the control panel today, so that means you do not know
what's going to happen, right,mike?
It can go crazy or it can gonormal, but welcome everyone.
Mike Gorday (01:50):
We already have pretty good evidence about which
way it's going.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Let's start today's show.
Now on today's show.
Nathan Mumm (02:00):
All right, welcome to Tech Time Radio.
Today on the show, we have NickEspinoza back and he's going to
be talking not aboutcybersecurity, but he's going to
be talking about AI.
He's going to explain what isgoing on in the world and a few
key AI stories.
In addition, we have, of course, our standard features,
including Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
Our technology fail the week ata possible absolutely Nathan
(02:21):
Nugget and our pick of the daywhiskey tasting to see if our
selected whiskey pick is 0, 1,or 2 thumbs up at the end of the
show.
But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Broadcasting across the nation.
Broadcasting across the nationfrom the east of the week.
Nathan Mumm (02:37):
Let me try that again.
Here we go again.
Damn it.
And now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Here are our top technology stories of the week.
Nathan Mumm (02:49):
All right Story number one Google is the latest
company to suffer a data breachin its ongoing wave of
Salesforce CRM data theftattacks Conducted by the group
known as Shiny Hunters.
Let's go to Lisa Walker formore on this story hunters.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Let's go to Lisa Walker for more on this story.
In June, google warned that athreat actor they classify as
UNC6040 was using a voicephishing social engineering
attack to breach Salesforceinstances and download customer
data.
In an update, google said thatit, too, fell victim to the same
attack after one of itsSalesforce CRM instances was
breached and customer data wasstolen.
(03:30):
As for the other companiesimpacted in these attacks, one
company has already paid fourbitcoins, or approximately
$400,000, to prevent the leak oftheir data.
Back to you guys in the studio.
Nathan Mumm (03:45):
All right, so let's talk about this.
So this is a phishing attack,right?
Put a bounty of their data Backto you guys in the studio.
All right, so let's talk aboutthis.
So this is a phishing attack,right, put a bounty on their
heads, all right.
So somebody already spent fourBitcoin.
I remember when Bitcoin wasnothing, but now it's worth
almost $100,000.
So $400,000 was paid out.
This phishing attack used voicerecordings to make them sound
like somebody else, and usedreal-time voice recordings to
make them sound like somebodyelse, and used real-time voice
conversations to convince thepeople to allow access, so we've
(04:08):
talked about this as phishing.
Now this phishing voice isbecoming kind of the new edge
AI-assisted cybercriminal toolthat is being used so you can
have a monitor set up, you talkinto it, you can have a
real-time conversation withsomebody on the phone, convince
them of what's going on in thevoice of somebody else, and then
(04:28):
, all of a sudden, they say,sure, yeah, we'll get things
taken care of.
Now.
Shiny Hunters has been aroundfor years, responsible for a
wide range of breaches,including the PowerSchool,
oracle Cloud, snowflake, dataTheft Attacks, at&t, nitro, pdf,
wattpad, mathway and many, manymore that they have been a part
of.
(04:52):
Now, with this breach, though,from this data breach, many
other companies, of course, thatuse Salesforce CRM are going to
be a part of this attack, andthat includes Adidas, qantas,
alliance, life, cisco andTiffany Company.
Now what happens to Google now?
So they disclose theinformation, they pay a fine?
And Tiffany Company Now whathappens to Google now?
So they disclose theinformation, they pay a fine and
they move on?
Is our data not secure anymore,and does it seem that companies
(05:14):
are getting so lax aboutsecurity or the damages it does
that no one cares?
Mike Gorday (05:18):
Where are we even asking if our data?
Nathan Mumm (05:20):
is secure.
I'm kind of curious about this.
What is your take on this?
Mike Gorday (05:24):
Mike, Specifically I want your take on your data.
Well, it's understandable whythey're using this method,
because if you can have somebodysitting behind a machine and
actually conversing while themachine converts your voice into
that of another person, itmakes more sense instead of some
chatbot type of thing that maygive you some weird answer.
Nathan Mumm (05:48):
Okay, Mark, have you seen or been victim to any
of this phishing stuff yourself?
No not yet, not yet.
Okay, it will happen Not yet.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
Yeah, so there it is.
Mike Gorday (05:57):
Not yet, I just want to know.
Marc Gregoire (05:58):
You said the group's been around for a long
time.
Nathan Mumm (06:01):
Yeah.
Marc Gregoire (06:01):
So do you know how long Are they our age where
they're using that old toy voicemodulator that we all used to
have?
Nathan Mumm (06:08):
No, and they're not using the Home Alone version of
the.
What is it?
The voice boy, or whatever that.
Mike Gorday (06:14):
Macaulay Culkin recorded all the stuff.
Here we go with the fantasyreferences.
Nathan Mumm (06:18):
So it's not that no , but they're just using.
I mean, you can go to any AItool set now, pay literally five
bucks to seven bucks, importpeople's voices on YouTube.
I've done this myself.
Import voices on YouTube andthen reuse those voices, type in
text and have it in a real-timeconversation where I can sound
(06:38):
like a female, I can sound likea robot, I can sound pretty much
whatever I do, by just takingexisting youtube videos and
making the uh correlation there.
Marc Gregoire (06:47):
So are they pretending to be like something,
somebody from salesforce,because you really wouldn't need
a voice modulator?
Are they taking voice clipsfrom, like, the ceo of the
company and pretending to bethem?
Nathan Mumm (06:57):
so they have done it for local people and security
people.
The the case that I did my deepdive into, they were actually
the boss of the employee itselfat the help desk service.
They called on in and said hey,I know we don't need to do it
this way or this way, but I needto grab this information really
quick.
There's a bunch of breachesthat are going around right now
(07:17):
and I want to protect us.
So they literally used thebreaches that were in the news
as a what do you want to say?
Prop to actually get in andconvince the people to give them
access codes.
Marc Gregoire (07:27):
So is the new thing to look if your boss is
calling from an unknown number.
Nathan Mumm (07:32):
That would be probably pretty smart to do
right.
But you know what I get, thespam calls.
Do you ever get the one thatsays like unknown caller, or
then you get like likely fraudor likely scam or scam likely.
Those are all different type ofcategories that I get on my
phone.
What I'm finding is now thatall those scam likelies are
actually legit numbers for a lotof the people that are calling.
(07:54):
So now, whatever algorithm thatwe had or whatever type of
security we used to have to makesure this was in check, now it
just comes as everything being ascam likely call.
Even if it's my wife calling me, it could be a scam.
Marc Gregoire (08:06):
But I mean?
So now you don't know what todo, right, Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Your wife is in your contactbook.
Nathan Mumm (08:10):
Well, sometimes she uses a voice over IP phone when
she's at her preschool and thenif you get a call there and it
comes in from an unknown number,boom all of a sudden guess what
happens?
I probably should.
Marc Gregoire (08:20):
I probably should write Because you're Nathan
Nugget about having your phonenot answer those calls.
Nathan Mumm (08:24):
No, that's not what Nathan Nugget's about.
Mike Gorday (08:25):
You just need to be grumpy like me and never answer
your phone.
Is that what you need to be?
That's right.
I never answer my phone.
Marc Gregoire (08:31):
Mike needs a new hat Instead of don't click on
it's like don't do.
Nathan Mumm (08:35):
Don't do, that's right Stuff.
Don't do any technology.
Mike Gorday (08:39):
Most likely like my child self, who grew up without
all this stuff.
Okay, right, I write mypasswords down.
All right, that's good.
I don't answer my phone Okay,that's good.
I don't answer emails.
I don't open most of my emails,okay.
So, yeah, I live a prettypeaceful life.
Marc Gregoire (09:02):
Okay, well, that's good, isn't that,
psychologically, the pattern ofour lives, though, don't, as we
age and we get older and older,go back to our younger childhood
selves?
Nathan Mumm (09:10):
I don't know when you see a baby.
I always swear, a baby lookslike you when you're dead right,
when they come out all wrinklyand everything like that.
Mike Gorday (09:17):
What the hell is that when you see a brand new
born baby.
Nathan Mumm (09:19):
You see them all wrinkly.
What does that?
Mike Gorday (09:20):
have to do with the question.
Nathan Mumm (09:22):
I think that you always revert back to the very
beginning of life.
Mike Gorday (09:26):
No, no, no.
You need to just stay overthere where you're at and not
talk Control the boards.
Mike and I are talking, Okaysorry, yeah, there's always this
sort of nostalgic playback inour lives because we often
optimize, or what's the wordOptimismize?
Marc Gregoire (09:47):
Optimismize.
Nathan Mumm (09:47):
We remember the good things of your childhood
and you don't remember the badnext to me?
Mike Gorday (09:49):
yeah we remember that.
We remember the good things wewe tend to.
We tend to color our past withgoodness, and so when we get
stressed out in our older ages,we tend to want to revert back
to those that makes sense.
Nathan Mumm (10:03):
All right, let's go on to story number two.
Are you ready for this one?
This is, I don to want torevert back to those.
That makes sense, all right,let's go on to story number two.
Are you ready for this?
Mike Gorday (10:06):
one.
This is I don't want to dostory.
Yeah, story number two allright must do about robots this
is about somebody who used chatgpt, chat gpt as a marriage
counselor relationship what?
Tell me more.
No, tell's bad.
What's that?
I can't, I just can't.
Marc Gregoire (10:28):
Really.
Mike Gorday (10:36):
Okay, so this person decided to use ChatGPT as
a couples counselor.
All right.
The whole idea was is that youknow, Gen Z is using artificial
intelligence for a lot ofdifferent things, like dating
advice which I don't know whythey're doing that and A this
(10:59):
person decided they wanted totry and get some sort of what do
you call it Therapeutic resolveat a a cheaper price probably
right, well, yeah, okay, I mean,going to a counselor is.
So there's two problems withsome of this stuff.
One is that the idea thatyou're going to counselors
before problems arise in arelationship, okay, I find that
(11:20):
to be a problem, because if youare going to a counselor before
problems arise, that meansthere's already problems.
Because you're anticipatingthese big problems are going to
show up and then you're going toa counselor to try to solve
them, and part of that isbringing up the big problem.
So it's sort of like aself-fulfilling prophecy.
Okay.
The other one is don't use chatGPT.
(11:43):
Why is that?
Don't use a chatbot, okay.
Okay.
The other one is don't use chatGPT.
Why is that?
Marc Gregoire (11:48):
Don't use a chatbot.
Okay, okay, okay, it's veryobjective.
Yeah, supposedly it is not.
It is not objective.
Mike Gorday (11:54):
Okay, so the people that are saying it's objective,
they so like this person here,according to a recent nationwide
survey by Match.
Speaker 7 (12:02):
Yeah, Matchcom Chat.
Mike Gorday (12:04):
GPT is being used to weed out dating prospects and
they're saying that it's prettyobjective.
Nathan Mumm (12:10):
Okay, so it's objective.
Mike Gorday (12:14):
It's got no emotionally attachment to
anything.
It's got no emotionalattachment.
But isn't that how you'resupposed to get dates?
Is through emotional attachment, right?
You're supposed to likesomebody, and if you have
somebody that's crawling throughyour profile with a language
scraper, yeah, and saying, oh,this isn't a good match because
this, this and this, why are youlistening to that?
(12:36):
Okay, that makes sense.
Okay.
Now, of course, there are otherproblems that I'm not
addressing about the wholedating thing anyway, but this
person, this journalist, saidshe feels like it gives better
advice than her friends a lot ofthe time.
Nathan Mumm (12:56):
Okay, that kind of makes sense.
That could be true.
Mike Gorday (12:58):
That could be true.
I absolutely think that couldbe true.
And then said better advicethan my therapist, okay.
So if ChatGPT is giving youbetter advice than your
therapist, okay.
So if, if chat gpt is givingyou better advice than your
therapist, you need to find anew therapist that's probably, I
think.
Nathan Mumm (13:10):
We're on, we're on I think we're on the same all
pages on that okay.
Marc Gregoire (13:14):
What do they say now?
Mike Gorday (13:14):
the same screen yeah, I don't know.
So, anyway, she decided toimmerse herself in this trend
and, drawing on the theory thatcouples should ask or seek
therapy before major problemsarise Okay, this is what I
talked about earlier I proposedor she proposed to her boyfriend
of less than six months, lessthan six months that they turn
(13:34):
to AI chatbot for advice.
Okay, assess the bot's feedbackand share the results.
Okay, okay.
So I want you to learn a term.
Yeah, okay, okay.
So I want you to learn a term.
Yeah, it's called sycophancy,sycophancy, sycophancy,
sycophancy, sycophancy,sycophancy sycophancy.
Nathan Mumm (13:57):
You know what a sycophancy is no, not a chance.
Mike Gorday (14:00):
Sycophancy is one of those obsequious people that
always agree with you and holdyou up and exalt you and are
like yes, man.
Nathan Mumm (14:08):
Really?
Yes, I've never met one ofthose people in my life.
Marc Gregoire (14:11):
Really, he's definitely not married to one of
those.
I'm not married to one of those.
Mike Gorday (14:15):
I'm not sure you're using ChatGPT correctly,
because sycophancy is one of theprimary problems with AI-driven
chatbots.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (14:26):
It means they agree with everything All right.
For example, in this articlethey reference a person who had
some severe mental illnessissues and was using a chatbot,
and because the chatbot was sosycophantic or agreeing and
uplifting to this person, thatperson never sought medical
(14:46):
attention oh, that's not good.
Okay, okay, okay, okay so that'sthe first problem.
So the person who's queryingthe chat bot is going to get
this effect and the chat bot isnaturally going to go with them,
okay, okay, that's not a anobjective point view.
So the article talks about thisand how the person had to go
(15:08):
back and restate a question many, many times in order to get the
chatbot to give it somethingthat was objective and objective
is subjective here, because wereally can't define what
objective is when we're lookingat it with ourselves.
Nathan Mumm (15:27):
That makes sense.
Mike Gorday (15:27):
Yep.
Marc Gregoire (15:28):
Yep.
Mike Gorday (15:28):
Yep.
So this person, this personused this several times and you
know, it just didn't come out.
It started blaming theboyfriend for being too
emotional, for being tooemotional, and then it started
talking to the person that wasmaking the queries, that they
(15:49):
were carrying the emotionalbaggage of two, and so it made
the problem worse.
This is not what you need to bedoing.
Nathan Mumm (15:55):
So don't use chat GPT to help you.
Mike Gorday (15:58):
Okay, so these things we want to pretend like
this is some sort of human thing, and it's not.
It comes from human things, butit's not a human thing.
It doesn't have empathy for one, it can't empathize with the
person it's talking to, yeah,and it doesn't have human
insight.
Okay, so it can't sit acrossfrom somebody and listen to what
(16:21):
they're saying and understand.
Nathan Mumm (16:23):
If they're crying, know that they're emotionally
distraught or not right.
That's empathy.
Mike Gorday (16:27):
No, I'm talking about when they're saying stuff
that you have insight, that whatthey're saying is not actually
what they're saying, but they'retrying to tell you another
message by telling you thismessage, right, gotcha?
Marc Gregoire (16:40):
It can't do that Okay.
Mike Gorday (16:42):
So all it can do is scrape its language model for
responses that it thinks you'relooking for, and this is not
therapeutic, all right.
So do not use AI fortherapeutic reasons.
It will almost always backfire.
Marc Gregoire (17:05):
All right, good to know.
You know nathan's gonna go dothis now.
So no, no, no no nathan'salready done this.
Mike Gorday (17:11):
No, I haven't.
I haven't done chat gpt for anycounseling stuff?
No, I know, but we've, we'vedone it with me and you have
both played with it with the uhai companions yes, we, we,
because we do test for the show.
Nathan Mumm (17:24):
And so if we'll have a show prep, mike and I may
go off on a tangent later on inthat evening and either we're
playing chess or we're doingsomething else, and we will test
these things out to see how itgoes right and we'll yell at
people and we'll do differentthings to see how these bots
interact.
And it's always been thesedating bots that are the ones
that I love the most, the onesthat they try to pretend like
(17:45):
they like they're going to dostuff.
Mike Gorday (17:47):
That's sycophancy.
So, what happened here is thatthese two, this couple they said
a few times they felt like thechat GPT gave objective and
creative feedback or offered avalid analysis of their
communication styles, but ittook a lot of work for them to
get there and it wasn't probablyworth the time and effort to
(18:08):
get it to where they could spendtime communicating to each
other right yeah.
So what their conclusion was isthat they were going to go back
to putting all their time andinjury energy into their human
relationship.
Oh see, very good, that's verygood, very good, good, so it
worked.
Speaker 7 (18:25):
I guess ChatGPT helped him.
Mike Gorday (18:30):
If we want to say that taking a gun and shooting
yourself in the foot keeps youfrom playing with guns.
Yeah, okay, yeah that workedAlright.
Nathan Mumm (18:37):
we're going to go on to story number three.
Nintendo clears up Mario's lovelife by having Princess Peach
friend zone him.
Now for over four decades,mario has been risking his life
and limb for Princess Peach.
Bowser keeps on kidnapping her,and it's up to the Italian
plumber to rescue her.
(18:57):
Why?
Speaker 7 (18:58):
are we going there?
Nathan Mumm (18:58):
Across dozens of main games, spin-offs, movies
and everything else in between,mario and Princess Peach have
been linked.
In some cases, their specialbond has been a bit more
romantically charged than others.
However, after years of anguish, Nintendo has crushed the dream
for Mr Mario.
Mario has officially beenfriend-zoned by Princess Peach.
(19:20):
Nintendo released a statementsaying, quote Princess Peach and
Mario are good friends to helpeach other out whenever they can
.
Mike Gorday (19:26):
The message reads Okay, alright, look alright.
What's that, Aside from thefact that we're actually talking
about this?
Nathan Mumm (19:33):
Most games end with a kiss of death, but this one
ends with no kiss at all.
Mike Gorday (19:37):
Whatever Okay why are we talking about this.
Nathan Mumm (19:42):
First off what?
Mike Gorday (19:42):
does Princess Peach do for Mario?
She just gives him stuff to do,okay.
Nathan Mumm (19:48):
Right yeah.
Mike Gorday (19:48):
She gets kidnapped and he has to go wreck him, so I
guess they're already married.
Nathan Mumm (19:52):
What does she do?
What does she do?
She says Mario, please rescueme.
Mike Gorday (19:56):
Okay, and then when you go there, is that what the
balance of a good friendship isall about, is it?
Nathan Mumm (20:01):
Toad that's there that says the princess is in
another castle and you keep ongoing for another and another.
Mike Gorday (20:06):
Is she secretly involved with Toad or Bowser?
Nathan Mumm (20:11):
I think she probably likes the bad boy,
because somehow she getscaptured all the time she's
going to spend a lot of timewith Bowser.
Mike Gorday (20:17):
I think she's just two-timing Mario.
Nick Espinosa (20:18):
Is that what it is?
Mike Gorday (20:19):
She's just leading him on.
Is that what's going on here?
I don't know that ends.
I don't know what Nintendoneeds to be bothering with
clarifying this relationship.
Well, this is a big deal.
Why is this a big deal?
Nathan Mumm (20:30):
Dude, this has got like 14 million hits about this.
So I mean, you know what Peopleare crying in their sleep?
Mike Gorday (20:38):
They're going to chat GPT now to ask how they can
succumb to this problem.
Here's the thing here.
If this is all about friendzoning, Mario needs to stop
because he's enabling this chick.
So your counseling advice isMario needs to go on a new
adventure.
Mario needs to find somebodywho's going to be respectful.
Nathan Mumm (20:56):
Forget Princess Peach, he's going to go with
somebody else.
Mike Gorday (20:58):
And give him what he desires.
Nathan Mumm (21:00):
Isn't Zelda a gal?
Isn't Zelda a gal?
Mike Gorday (21:02):
Or Zelda, a guy, I don't know.
Nathan Mumm (21:04):
I have no idea.
Is it a girl right?
So you know what Mario needs togo after Zelda.
Way more to add to the guy Ithought.
Mike Gorday (21:11):
Zelda and Link were together.
I don't even know why we'retalking about this.
But at the same thing, if wewant to define healthy
relationships, if Peach andMario are friends and Mario
spends all of his time rescuingPeach from dangerous situations,
there's a really big imbalanceof stuff going on in this.
Marc Gregoire (21:33):
They're good friends, they're not good
friends.
They're not good friends.
They're not good friends.
Mike Gorday (21:37):
She doesn't give Mario anything.
Nathan Mumm (21:40):
Lots of kisses.
Mike Gorday (21:42):
But they're not romantically involved.
But she gives him lots ofkisses.
Nathan Mumm (21:46):
That is our top technology stories of the week.
When we return, nick Espinozafrom Security and Fanatics will
join the show.
What is AI up to?
You're going to love this evenmore.
You'll find out.
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Nathan Mumm (22:50):
Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without any
political agenda.
We verify the facts and we dealwith a sense of humor in less
than 60 minutes and, of course,with a little whiskey on the
side.
Today, mark Gregoire, ourwhiskey connoisseur, is in the
studio.
Mark, what whiskey are wetasting today?
Marc Gregoire (23:09):
We have brought for you from Whiskey Chris.
Nathan Mumm (23:12):
Okay, Whiskey Chris .
Marc Gregoire (23:16):
It's his bottle and he let us borrow Still
Austin Straight Rye Whiskey.
The artist.
Now, art comes in manydifferent forms, from the
simplest line drawing to themost complex symphony, but all
good art has something in commonit begins with inspiration.
The artist is galvanized by avisit from the muse and can't
help but take up the chisel, thepen, the camera, the paintbrush
(23:37):
.
This is a whiskey for dreamers.
Is that Princess Peach, notPrincess Peach?
Visionaries, mike and theartists who inspire us all.
It's the ultimate marriage ofthe art and muse.
The spirit's blushing, oaky hueforetells a complex nose With
chocolate, apricot, sandalwood,ginger and caramel.
(23:58):
On the palate it finishes withrye spice, nutmeg, clove,
cinnamon, molasses and orangezest.
That all comes from theirwebsite.
Very wordy, okay.
Nathan Mumm (24:12):
Have you tasted this before, Mark.
Marc Gregoire (24:14):
Before today.
Yeah, yeah, when Chris broughtit over, okay, okay.
I put it up against.
It's a rye, okay.
So let me tell you a littleabout the bottle.
So it's from Still AustinWhiskey Company, which is from
Austin, texas.
It's a straight rye two years,99.6 proof, 100% Texas rye for
$45.
And we did a little tastingwith this and about four or five
(24:35):
other ryes okay, all right,you're not gonna tell us yet how
how it did against absolutelynot okay.
All right, stay tuned.
Nathan Mumm (24:41):
All right okay well , with our first whiskey tasting
completed, let's move on to ourfeature segment.
Today, our technology expert,nick espinoza, is joining the
show.
He's an expert in cybersecurity and network
infrastructure.
He infrastructure.
His clients range from smallbusiness to the Fortune 100
level.
In 1998, at the age of 19, nickfounded Windy City Networks,
(25:02):
which was later acquired in 2015.
He then created SecurityFanatics, where he's the chief
security fanatic.
We welcome now Nick to our show.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Welcome to the segment we call Ask the Experts.
Hi Nick Radio expert NickEspinoza.
Nathan Mumm (25:23):
All right, Nick.
Welcome to the show.
How's everything going?
Can you hear us there?
Nick Espinosa (25:27):
Yep, yep, I can hear you guys just fine and just
real quick.
On the first segment one, shinyHunters has been around since
2020, 75 years old, which is old, okay and uh.
In this and also, illinois, twodays ago, was the first one to
actually pass a a ban on aitherapy requiring humans to
actually do the therapy for you.
Nathan Mumm (25:47):
So there you go.
See, nick is our just use ofthe resource of information
there yes, now you need to moveto illinois.
Marc Gregoire (25:53):
We need nick to host this show.
Nathan Mumm (25:54):
That's right.
You know what.
Nick is going to be able tohost that maybe sooner than
later from a different country,Okay.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Nick what's?
Mike Gorday (26:01):
your take on Princess Peach and Mario.
Nathan Mumm (26:02):
Yeah, there you go.
Princess Peach and Mario.
Are you hurt from that, Nick?
Nick Espinosa (26:07):
There you go.
So that's brutal.
I mean friend zoned it at somepoint, but to be friend zoned it
for like four decades like yeah, that's a little much maybe
maybe, I don't know maybe hangout with luigi more uh, that
would make sense.
Nathan Mumm (26:22):
There you go, that's right.
What if luigi's dating peachsee?
Speaker 7 (26:26):
that would be the ultimate right there, that would
be the betrayal of all things.
Nick Espinosa (26:30):
They're brothers all right, we just no, we just
assume they're brothers, right,oh that.
Nathan Mumm (26:35):
Oh, that's true, mario Brothers.
It could be a synonym for likea business partner.
Mike Gorday (26:40):
right, I'm pretty sure they've established that
Mario's brothers with Luigi inmany of these little.
Nathan Mumm (26:46):
Have they?
I don't know.
Let's move on.
Okay, all right, nick, tell us,for all the new listeners, tell
us a little bit about yourself.
Nick Espinosa (26:54):
Yeah, yeah.
So I'm Nick Espinosa, the chiefsecurity fanatic of security
fanatics, obviously all thingscyber warfare, cyber terrorism,
cyber security, all that kind ofstuff.
And you come hang out with meon YouTube.
I also do podcasts, all thatkind of stuff, write articles
for Forbes and blah blah blah.
So happy to be here, as always.
Nathan Mumm (27:12):
All right, all right.
Now, today we're going to pivota bit right when, instead of
the crazy cyber criminals, we'regoing to be talking about some
AI stuff.
Right, my other favorite topic.
So everybody's passionate aboutAI.
I'm either a positive or anegative side of AI.
There doesn't seem to be anymiddle ground people.
I've never heard anybody in mylife that said well, I kind of
like AI, it's kind of great, Iappreciate some of it.
Mike Gorday (27:35):
It's either I hate, it or I love it.
I don't hate all of it.
Marc Gregoire (27:39):
I think your sphere is built of just you and
Mike, is it just?
Nathan Mumm (27:42):
me and Mike.
Are there other people outthere?
I think there's a lot of peoplelike me that see the benefits
of it but, also see some of thepotential harm.
Marc Gregoire (27:50):
And if there's not safe cards, on it.
Mike Gorday (27:51):
There's no potential harm.
There is harm, there is harm.
Nathan Mumm (27:54):
All right, nick.
Okay, here we go.
First, let's talk about an AIchess match.
This just happened.
All right, this is just in thenews, and I'm a big chess player
.
Mike's a big chess player.
Mike Gorday (28:05):
Right, we're on chesscom I wouldn't say I'm a
big chess player.
Nathan Mumm (28:09):
You play, I play chess online and we play against
each other quite a bit.
I used to kill you all the timeand now you're starting to to
beat me up, so I don't know.
That's why I haven't beenplaying.
Mike Gorday (28:18):
That's what happens when you learn something.
That's right.
Nathan Mumm (28:20):
So the AI companies all got together for a chess
match.
What happened, what was thisabout and what was the outcome?
Nick Espinosa (28:28):
Okay, so basically what we're talking
about here is essentiallyGoogle's Kaggle.
This is a platform thatessentially allows scientists to
put their AI models up to taskto play chess and all these
things with it.
So eight large language modelsbasically entered a tournament.
Now, these are basically AIsthat are not designed
(28:50):
essentially to play chess.
These are the chat GPTs of theworld where you can go get
therapy where you shouldn't gettherapy right.
So Anthropic Google, openai,xai aka Grok, basically, as well
as Chinese developers DeepSeekand Moonshot all basically
entered this tournament, and sowhat happened was essentially
(29:11):
OpenAI beat the whole thing, andit's really interesting.
So OpenAI's O whole thing, andit's really interesting.
So OpenAI's 03 model emerged asthe winner and then Grok
actually took second place.
So, in other words, openai beatElon Musk's Grok, and I think
that's actually reallyinteresting, because when we're
talking about Grok, given allthe garbage that Grok has been
(29:32):
learned on, I'm just amazed itdidn't angrily kick over the
first virtual chessboard it sawand declared it wanted to invade
Poland.
Marc Gregoire (29:38):
I mean, the thing is not, Are we sure it didn't
cheat Nick?
Well hey, it's very possibleright.
Nick Espinosa (29:46):
So OpenAI won with 03, their model 03,
followed by Grok.
Google's Gemini took thirdplace as well, and so obviously
these things are designed foreveryday tasks, not to play
chess.
So they're still improving onit, and so Grok, for example
that took second place made anumber of errors in the final
round of games, including losinghis queen or losing its queen
(30:07):
repeatedly.
The queen, obviously a veryimportant chess piece, right.
Nathan Mumm (30:11):
And so here we are.
Ten points, go ahead.
It's worth ten points in thechess when you capture we don't
need to know that, I just okayokay there.
Mike Gorday (30:18):
Yes, keep on going.
Nathan Mumm (30:19):
Sorry in your booth I was just trying to say that I
was up to never mind.
Keep on going, keep on going.
Nick Espinosa (30:22):
Sorry nick, sorry like right, right so, but, but.
But strategy games like chessor go you know the chinese game
go these are oftentimes used tobasically assess models,
abilities to learn and adapt,because chess has a bazillion
moves, go has like a quintillionmoves, you know.
So it's an interesting one.
But if anything, I think we'regoing to see these models just
(30:44):
simply improve.
But it's a good testing groundto understand the limitations of
large language models.
They're not perfect, you know.
Even the new chat, gpt-5, cameout.
People are asking it weirdquestions how many bees are in
the word blueberry?
And it's saying there are three.
You know, one in blue, two inberry.
Mike Gorday (31:02):
Do the math on that .
Nick Espinosa (31:02):
So we have a ways to go, but they're getting
better.
Mike Gorday (31:05):
Yeah, that's okay, they got to be.
Oh, they're not perfect.
I don't understand.
No, they're not.
Nathan Mumm (31:10):
All right.
Now governments are pushinghard for AI chip backdoors.
This is a new thing that'shappening here.
What is this about and whatsecurity risks would this for
the everyday person have toworry about?
Yeah, yeah.
Nick Espinosa (31:28):
So actually I think there are pros and cons to
this, but the nutshell is, uslawmakers are trying to push
NVIDIA, the biggest maker ofGPUs and chips, out there, to
basically grant governments backdoors into these AI chips.
And, for the record, china isalready saying NVIDIA is doing
that and letting the governmentin right.
So obviously NVIDIA wants to bethe dominant supplier in the
world, including to China.
(31:49):
But obviously there are riskswith that right.
And here's the thing Chinesechip companies are steadily
improving their performance,primarily because they're
getting a lot of theintellectual property.
You know we just caught twoChinese nationals shipping
NVIDIA chips overseas the otherday.
So this obviously is a hugething because China is trying to
do a homegrown model for AIchips, but they know they're way
behind NVIDIA right now, and soI think some of the pros to a
(32:12):
backdoor would be things likeemergency deactivation and
containment of like a rogue AI.
The thing wants to goTerminator and you can basically
flip a kill switch.
That's not too bad, you know.
You could also enforcesanctions.
So if the let's say, theChinese do steal an NVIDIA chip,
you might be able to brick thechip, all those kinds of things.
So obviously unauthorizedrepurposing or misuse of this,
you know, essentially is one ofthose things, but I think the
(32:34):
cons outweigh the pros here,because, by virtue of putting in
a backdoor, you're basicallycreating an exploitable
vulnerability.
Nathan Mumm (32:42):
And it's by default , right, I mean, and everybody
finds vulnerabilities in thestuff that isn't there.
So now, all of a sudden, you'reputting a chip in there that
people will specifically target,because they know that the
whole reason it's set up is todo that.
Nick Espinosa (32:56):
Exactly exactly Vulnerability is cropping
anything, intentionally orotherwise, like HP Aruba, like
the wireless access points.
We just found that theengineers at HP had hard-coded a
password into all the accesspoints that they had to fix.
But now that that's out, ifyou're not updating your Aruba
access points, somebody couldpretty much walk into the thing,
right.
So that is a huge issue.
(33:18):
On top of it, it could beviewed as like cyber espionage
around the world if they think,oh well, we're buying NVIDIA
chips and the NSA from theUnited States has access to this
thing.
Not to mention ownership rightsof buyers.
If you're buying something,that's a huge thing.
I mean think about like anAmazon Kindle.
If I buy a book there and thenAmazon has a falling out with
the publisher, they'll justdelete the book off my Kindle.
(33:40):
They've been caught doing that.
But if I buy a physical book,nobody from Amazon is knocking
on my door saying, yeah, we wantthat back and you're not
getting your money back, right.
So it comes down to a trustthing.
So it's a huge thing, not tomention system disruptions if
they are exploitable.
So I think that it's not a goodthing overarchingly.
Not that I want the terminatorsof the world to have no checks
(34:00):
against them.
But you know, here we are.
Mike Gorday (34:03):
All right, let's have Chad.
Gpt advise them, let's haveChad.
Nathan Mumm (34:07):
Well, so this gets even better.
You're going to like this, mike.
Here we go, nick, is it truethat the FDA's AI is creating
fake studies that are nowbecoming real facts for our
large language models?
Nick Espinosa (34:21):
Yes, and this, for the record, is why it is
always open bar on Tech TimeRadio, that's right, I can't see
what bottle that is, yes,that's why, we drink on this
program.
There it is this gentleman andMark.
I hope you appreciate it oh,Glenn Levin.
Nathan Mumm (34:35):
Yeah, there you go.
Okay, Very nice, perfect.
Nick Espinosa (34:40):
But anyway, yes, the FDA, or Food and Drug
Administration and Lord knows wecould all use a drink after
this one, anywho RFK Jr, who'srunning HHS that owns the FDA
basically they're making a hugepush to integrate AI tools and
in a recent interview, rfk Jrwent on Tucker Carlson's show on
some online whatever andbasically said that AI will very
(35:01):
, very soon be used to approvenew drugs quote, very, very
quickly.
So, in other words, they'retrying to speed up this process.
So here's what the news did CNNspoke with six current and
former employees of the FDA,three of whom basically have
used ELSA.
This is the AI that the FDA isusing, and they described it as
harmful.
You know it creates meetingnotes and summaries that are
(35:24):
incorrect.
It started making upnon-existent studies, so it was
basically hallucinating and anAI term that means it was just
straight up lying.
It also could misrepresentresearch, according to his
employees, and so, by virtue ofthat, I started looking at, okay
, what is the approval processfor a drug, and it is a long and
complicated process.
Yes, you know you guys want ahigh level overview of this
(35:45):
thing real quick, because it'sabsolutely insane to insert an
AI into this.
Nathan Mumm (35:48):
All right, so do it real quick.
Yes, real quick.
How difficult.
Nick Espinosa (35:50):
Yeah, yes, real quick.
Nathan Mumm (35:51):
How difficult.
Nick Espinosa (35:53):
Yeah, so preclinical testing, right?
You basically are testing thedrugs in labs on animals, all
that to make sure it's safe.
Then they have to submit what'scalled an IND, an
investigational new drugapplication.
Once that is approved, thenthey can begin human trials.
And then the human trials aredone on a small group of healthy
people that don't have theactual disease or infection or
whatever that the drug istesting Assuming nobody dies in
(36:15):
that, then it goes to the humansthat have this particular
targeted issue disease, whateverit is and then they confirm the
effectiveness, they monitorside effects.
This takes months and months,and months and months, and then,
and only then, can they applyfor an NDA or new drug
application, which thenbasically says all the trials
are good, nobody's dropping likeflies, this is great and boom,
(36:35):
here we are.
You can put that out there, andthen the FDA reviews this and
evaluates it for months andmonths, and months and months,
which obviously is going to bedifficult and then they approve
it and then continue to monitorit after it's out to the general
public.
And with the FDA cutting staff,that's a huge issue.
And if you insert an AI intothis that's just making stuff up
(36:56):
, then it could basically bs awhole bunch of clinical trials
or say, oh, this is good.
When the, the authors were likethis is not good, it's a huge
problem and I think it's goingto get some people killed, if
I'm being perfectly honest withyou that is not so mr positive
ai how do you feel about that?
Marc Gregoire (37:13):
Okay, well, all right.
All right, nick.
The bottom line of this is thisis really a people issue, not
an AI issue.
Everything is a people issue.
Mike Gorday (37:23):
All this is a people issue.
Every single interaction hereis people issues.
Nathan Mumm (37:28):
What's interesting is we always are getting excited
now with AI to replace people.
We want AI to be better andbetter and better.
So we can replace more and morepeople.
Essentially, we want nobody towork.
We want computers to run ourlives and we want to be in
charge of that area, so that wecan just make millions and
millions of dollars.
Mike Gorday (37:46):
AI is becoming our god.
Nick Espinosa (37:48):
Think of the psychological damage it's going
to do to society.
We're already isolated thanksto social media.
We don't want to put our kidsoutside because there are
predators everywhere.
When the predators are actuallyonline, it's a huge thing.
It's much different than whenwe grew up.
That is so this doesn't help.
Nathan Mumm (38:06):
All right, nick.
How can people get in touchwith you On that note?
How can people get in touchwith you Off of the show?
What is the best way to connect?
Nick Espinosa (38:16):
Well, they can find me at the local bar,
because that's probably whereI'm going to be.
Speaker 7 (38:19):
That's right, that's where I'm headed.
Nick Espinosa (38:22):
Feel free to follow me on LinkedIn Twitter at
Nick Espinoza or Nick AESP,either one, and come say hi,
Come hang out.
Nathan Mumm (38:31):
You know what I just would wish Blue Sky would
get their act together andbecome a big dominant force out
there.
It's just hemorrhaging atrelevancy and not being able to
take over Twitter.
Nick just said contact him onTwitter or X, because that is
still the dominant platform.
I bet you, nick, you would loveto say contact me on Blue Sky,
(38:52):
but nobody is quite using itstill yet.
Nick Espinosa (38:54):
I, it's just I'm the same handle on blue sky as I
am on Twitter, but I think partof it was it was a political
divide, and so what you have onblue sky is just a whole bunch
of like-minded people talking toeach other.
So there's no engagement therebeyond.
We all agree.
Mike Gorday (39:08):
Yeah, that's not a good reason.
Nathan Mumm (39:10):
That's a big issue for the platform.
All right, Nick, we thank youso much for being a part of our
show.
Can't wait to have you back onagain, All right, well, that
ends our segment.
Ask the Expert.
Let's now move in to our Mike'smesmerizing moment.
Welcome to Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
(39:32):
What does Mike have to saytoday?
All right, Mike, here's thequestion.
Mike Gorday (39:38):
Let's talk about AI .
Yay, let's talk about AI.
Is there?
Nathan Mumm (39:41):
something in the counseling field that AI could
be used for.
That is good.
Mike Gorday (39:47):
No, okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (39:52):
Let's let's.
If it has anything to do withanything other than counseling,
maybe Okay.
Like, if it needs to look intocase notes for something and
find like themes or patternsthat may be helpful, okay.
But if if it's doing directcounseling, absolutely not okay.
(40:16):
It should not be a direct count.
We should not be using it forcounseling.
We should not be using it forcompanionship.
We should not be using it to dolike 50 million things that
it's already doing.
But it's okay to edit throughnotes, not edit, pull
(40:36):
information from.
Like if I were querying a youknow, a I don't know.
Nathan Mumm (40:45):
Some type of document?
Yeah, some type of document.
Mike Gorday (40:48):
If I were querying that that may be Otherwise, no.
Nathan Mumm (40:53):
Mike, thank you for that mesmerizing moment.
Mike Gorday (40:55):
Yeah, I don't think you thanked me.
I think you were like sittingover there going wah.
Nathan Mumm (41:00):
Coming up.
Next, we have this Week inTechnology, so now would be a
great time to enjoy a littlewhiskey on the side, as we're
going to be doing so during thebreak.
You're listening to Tech TimeRadio with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes.
Hey, mike, yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:10):
Hey.
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Mike, yeah, what's up, hey, so you know what we
need people to start liking oursocial media pages.
Mike Gorday (41:15):
If you like our show, if you really like us, we
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I think it's Patreon.
Okay, patreon.
If you really like us, you canlike us in.
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You know, you butcher theEnglish language all the time
it's.
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Mike Gorday (41:35):
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If you really like our show, you can subscribe to
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You know the one thatZuckerberg owns, the one that we
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Yeah, we're on Facebook too.
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There's a trend here.
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It seems to be that there's a trend and that's Tech
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It's that simple.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
And now let's look back at this week in technology.
Nathan Mumm (42:22):
All right, we're going back to August 13th 1993.
This is a big date.
Here, mike, street Fighter IITurbo Hyper Fighting for the
SNES was released.
Is that a good thing?
That's a great thing.
So this was the game thatstarted the revolution of hyper
fighting.
Now Capcom released StreetFighter II Turbo the hyper
(42:45):
fighting for the Super NES.
In the US, the arcade versionof Street Fighter II sparked the
fighting gaming boom of the1990s, leading to many other
franchises like Mortal Kombatand Virtue Fighter.
There's also tons of otherknockoffs that have happened
since this time, but the SuperNES port brought Street Fighter
2 into the homes and collegedorms, where students spent
(43:07):
hours of countless time battlingtheir friends.
Yep, now I still own this game,so if anybody's feeling
competitive, the battles cancontinue any time.
Now I play one character.
I only play blanco.
That's the only character Iknow he's got electricity yes
and I can last in the arcade.
With the old version arcade 25cents to play I can last about
(43:29):
16 to 20 minutes on that quarter.
Mike Gorday (43:32):
I'm dead serious.
Are you seriously getting on totalk about your humble bragging
about how good you are atBlanca?
Nathan Mumm (43:38):
I just want to say if anybody wants to play, I'm
available Now.
That was this week intechnology.
Mike Gorday (43:43):
Thanks for that.
Nathan Mumm (43:44):
If you ever wanted to watch some Tech Time history,
with over 260-plus weeklybroadcasts spanning our
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Marc Gregoire (44:34):
All right.
Well, at least Nathan yes, inStreet Fighter.
At least you knew there's nofriend zone there.
Nathan Mumm (44:41):
There's no friend zone in Street Fighter.
Marc Gregoire (44:43):
That's true.
Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
Well, today, August 12th, weare celebrating.
Nathan Mumm (44:50):
Don't tell me you're celebrating friend zone
day.
Marc Gregoire (44:54):
Well, it's the day before August 13th, so just
before that today, nathan isactually celebrating.
Today.
He knows about today, okay.
Mike Gorday (45:00):
What are we celebrating today, Nathan?
Marc Gregoire (45:04):
We talked about it earlier this week.
Nathan Mumm (45:07):
Celebrating.
Mike Gorday (45:08):
Is it like National Elephant Day or something?
Nathan Mumm (45:11):
It was an elephant day too.
There's a couple other thingsthat we were looking at.
Come on, that's like three daysago.
Memory, that short-term memory,is gone.
What was it?
Marc Gregoire (45:19):
National Vinyl Record Day.
Nathan Mumm (45:21):
Oh, we did see that .
Remember that.
We did say that I have vinylrecords.
Yeah, I don't remember that atall.
You don't remember that?
Marc Gregoire (45:34):
Okay, go old school like nathan, our
audiophile okay, spin.
Music lovers around the worldhave disagreements on a number
of things, but one thing wethink everyone can agree on is
vinyl records are here to stay,so now's the time to dust off
the old needle and let the musictake you away on a cloud of
good, good, good vibration okay,this is getting more awkward
that sounds like a beach boysong.
there you go All right, yeah,brian Wilson just passed away
(45:55):
recently.
Oh, did he?
I'm sorry to hear that.
Now, talking about music, it isonly fitting we head to Austin,
home to one of the most iconiclive music scenes in the country
.
Nathan Mumm (46:07):
Oh yeah, I've been down there the week before at a
Dell conference when they hadthe big South by Southwest type
of deal that they had down there.
Tell me more, is that the samething?
Marc Gregoire (46:16):
Well, that's where Still Austin's the Artist
Straight Rye Whiskey may hit allthe right notes for you.
This is one of the few 100%Texas rye whiskeys crafted
entirely from Texas grown grains, distilled in-house in Austin,
austin and aged under theintense Texas sun.
Each bottle features a customlabel painted by a Texas artist,
(46:37):
part of Still Austin's ongoingcommitment to local artists.
Every release in the seriescelebrates creativity, both in
the whiskey and storytelling onthe bottle.
Wow, now, still Austin's theArtist's Straight Ride did not
leave much of an impression onme.
Uh-oh.
Mike Gorday (46:57):
It didn't leave much of an impression on him
either.
Marc Gregoire (46:59):
Well there's nothing wrong with it.
Yeah, it tastes a little youthyand leans heavily on spice,
without much depth behind it.
It reminds me of elevator musicPerfectly fine in the
background and not something Iwould ever choose to put on.
That said, I'm looking forwardto trying more age expressions
from them down the road, becausethis one's only two years old.
Okay, as there's potential forthis artist.
Nathan Mumm (47:19):
Are they going to come out with a four year and a
seven year and a ten year typeof deal?
They do have those, okay, andyou haven't tasted any of those
yet.
Marc Gregoire (47:25):
I have not Whiskey, chris.
I believe it was the eight yearthat he's had, and he said it
was terrific.
Okay, I have not tasted thatmyself.
Alright, I'm looking forward toit.
That sounds good.
So are we, and as we all drink,we must drink responsibly.
Heaven can wait, heaven canwait.
Nathan Mumm (47:44):
Mark whiskey and technology are such a great
pairing Like bed knobs andbroomsticks.
Marc Gregoire (47:50):
Can you?
Nathan Mumm (47:51):
reference this movie.
Do you remember that movie?
I remember that movie Rememberthat movie?
Marc Gregoire (47:54):
Bed knobs and broomsticks.
Can you reference this movie?
Do you remember that movie?
I remember that movie Rememberthat movie Bedknobs and
Broomsticks.
Mike Gorday (47:57):
Yeah, angela Lansbury was in that, I think,
was it.
Nathan Mumm (48:00):
Angela Lansbury.
Mike Gorday (48:01):
So now.
Nathan Mumm (48:02):
Bedknobs and Broomsticks.
I didn't do the research.
Was that a Disney movie?
Mike Gorday (48:06):
It was a Disney movie.
Nathan Mumm (48:07):
Or was that the imitation like Chitty Chitty,
Bang Bang.
Right, that was a knockoff.
That wasn't actually a Disneymovie, but everybody affiliates
it with a Disney movie becauseit was very high standards.
Marc Gregoire (48:18):
Wasn't Chitty, chitty a knockoff of Bedknobs
and Broomsticks.
Nathan Mumm (48:21):
I think it was.
Marc Gregoire (48:22):
We have to look up the years, because they're
both flying objects.
Nathan Mumm (48:26):
Yeah, one's the bed and one's the car versus there
All right.
Mike Gorday (48:29):
Well, you know what Didn't Disney buy?
Chitty, chitty, bang Bang.
I don't know if they did or not, bedknobs and Bruin Sticks is a
Disney movie.
Nathan Mumm (48:37):
It is a Disney movie, all right Thanks for that
.
Marc Gregoire (48:40):
Hopefully our viewers out there can put in the
chat and fill us in.
Nathan Mumm (48:43):
Okay, that's right.
All right, now let's preparefor our Technology Fail of the
Week, brought to you by EliteExecutive Services technology
experts to help you out of atechnology fail.
Congratulations, you're afailure.
Speaker 6 (48:58):
Oh, I failed.
Did I, yes, did.
Nathan Mumm (49:02):
I?
Yes, all right.
This week our technology failcomes to us from Google, and
it's not about the hack that wetalked about earlier today.
This has to all do with theirmapping system.
Now, this man, who hails frombrag braggado, a small town west
of buenos aires, sued, is that?
Is that braggado, bragado,bragado?
okay, well buenos aires buenosaires there you go, buenos aires
(49:25):
sued the internet giant in 2019, claiming it exposed him to
ridicule at work and among hisneighbors.
C CBS News has reported thisand many others Now.
He argued his privacy wasinvaded in the 2017 photo
capture because he was behind asix and a half foot wall.
The street capture shows thestreet, the house number and
(49:45):
shows him completely nude in hisown private backyard.
Now a recent award came fromthe Argentinian appellate judges
, who overruled a lower courtdecision that stated it was the
fault for walking around ininappropriate conditions in the
garden of his own home thatGoogle needs to pay.
Now.
Google reportedly argued that asix-and-a-half-foot perimeter
(50:08):
wall was not high enough toafford privacy.
Mike Gorday (50:12):
What that's the part of the Google report.
That must be a high camera theygot.
Nathan Mumm (50:17):
That's a fail yeah, okay, that's why it's in the
fail, but the judge citedgoogle's policy of blurring
faces and other identities, likelicense plates for street view,
as evidence.
The company knew that it wouldhave a duty to avoid harm to
third parties and, in a sense,awarded them, in pesos, roughly
$12,500 in fines.
Marc Gregoire (50:39):
That's it, yep.
So you made $12,000.
How much is that?
Mike Gorday (50:43):
worth.
Nathan Mumm (50:43):
You're in there naked and they got your.
Mike Gorday (50:45):
This is for Google Earth right.
Nathan Mumm (50:47):
Well no, this is for Google Streets, but it's a
part of the Google area.
You know that camera that comesrunning around.
People do a lot of things.
They like fall down on theground, they try to make out
with people.
I mean, this has now become asensation where people try to
get on the Google Street cameraswith a bunch of stuff that's
there.
Mike Gorday (51:05):
So there you go, and that was a fail.
How was that a fail?
Well, it was a fail because Ithink it's a fail that people
use chat GPT for counseling.
How do you feel about?
That I think it's a fail thatPrincess Peach friends on Mario.
Nathan Mumm (51:17):
You got a lot of those things that are really
bugging you, aren't they?
Mike Gorday (51:20):
I'm just saying man , okay well.
Marc Gregoire (51:22):
Is it a fail that your glass is empty and I
haven't refilled you?
Mike Gorday (51:25):
That could be a fail Today.
That could be a fail?
Nathan Mumm (51:28):
It could be a fail.
Well, you know what?
Speaking of something unique,let's move on to the Nathan
Nugget.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
Oh no, this is your Nugget of the Week, all right?
Nathan Mumm (51:39):
So here we go with our Nugget of the Week.
It's very interesting becausewe're talking about this guy,
hopefully for the last time.
No, no, this is the Newport TipBitcoin Saga.
So this is James Howell.
Marc Gregoire (51:48):
Oh, I love this story.
Nathan Mumm (51:50):
This is the guy that he had his ex-girlfriend
throw out a hard drive that hadover 8,000 bitcoins in 2013.
Marc Gregoire (51:58):
Well, it was his girlfriend at the time
Girlfriend.
Nathan Mumm (52:00):
At the time she didn't mean to do it but she
threw out a hard drive, probablysitting on some table, that
said don't throw out.
She was cleaning it up and tookcare of it.
Now this has lasted 12 years,involving high court, court
appeals, public opinions.
Mike Gorday (52:13):
This is the guy that tried to buy the landfill.
Nathan Mumm (52:15):
That's exactly correct.
So this hard drive is thoughtto be in a landfill right now
and he wants to buy the landfill.
The city said they were goingto close it and he wanted to buy
the landfill.
Well, the city has decidedthey're not necessarily going to
disclose this and what they'renow doing is they're coming to
him for a bill of over $117,000for all the time and effort that
(52:37):
they have had to spend dealingpounds.
That's even more US dollars, soit's even more US Over $100,000
with the fine that he needs tonow pay for all of their wasted
time and effort that they'vespent on this case.
Now, instead of buying the siteto retrieve it, he's decided to
come up with somethingdifferent.
(52:57):
He's created his owncryptocurrency coin and he's
going to try to regain his moneyby having people invest.
Doesn't?
Mike Gorday (53:05):
everybody do this.
Nathan Mumm (53:06):
In his own cryptocurrency.
So now the move for Mr Howelldescribes as a financial
coercion in the part where he isactually saying that he's going
to use his current wallet ascollateral.
So all these Bitcoin and allthese coin things have to have a
collateral that they have oftangible assets.
Mike Gorday (53:26):
He's going to use his $8,000 Bitcoin lost wallet
to back his crypto.
Nathan Mumm (53:30):
That is exactly what he's doing.
He's getting ready to launchthis this fall.
Mike Gorday (53:35):
You know, there's a famous SNL sketch with, you
know, our buddy Elon.
Speaker 7 (53:39):
It's a hustle, it's a hustle.
Nathan Mumm (53:42):
Well, since James's wallet is publicly known and
the blockchain is there for allto see, it's easy evidence that
the 8,000 coins do exist.
The need to rapidly access themto prove their existence isn't
even required.
Ultimately, the market willdecide how valuable they deem
the new coin offering to be, butit will be available for
purchase.
So this is crazy.
(54:02):
So here's what he needs to do.
James just needs to sit downfor another like 10 years, and
then they're going to come upwith a way to recover lost
Bitcoin.
I will guarantee you They'llcome up with a way to recover
old token exchanges that areavailable.
Then he'll be able to get hismoney back.
It'll all be taken care of.
Mike Gorday (54:20):
But instead of waiting that time, yeah, we have
to.
We have to say that he actuallyowns 8 000 bitcoins he could
just be saying he owns, well,there's evidence.
Nathan Mumm (54:29):
There's evidence that his bitcoin that he all had
at one time deposited it showsa transaction.
So no cryptocurrency exchange.
When you transact on theinternet with a cryptocurrency,
all that data still gets tracked.
People think that it'sanonymous.
It thinks that nobody knowswhat's going on.
It's still all in a ledger oftracking of information.
They supposedly say they canfind this evidence that there's
(54:50):
that 8 000 coins do exist.
Mike Gorday (54:52):
You know, this is, this is how obsession becomes a
problem.
Okay, james, yeah, you need tolet it go, buddy.
Marc Gregoire (54:59):
He's having a hard time, Mike, so maybe he
should turn to chat.
I get it.
Mike Gorday (55:03):
I mean, if we're talking about Bitcoin and one
Bitcoin is 100,000, how much isthat 800,000?
Speaker 7 (55:11):
Yeah, 8,000 times 100,000.
Mike Gorday (55:12):
What is that 800,000?
Yeah, it's like 8,000 times100,000.
Nathan Mumm (55:15):
What is that?
It's like 8 billion, you sure?
Yeah, it's in the billions yeah, or 80 billion.
Yeah, it's in the billions.
I just know it's in thebillions.
Marc Gregoire (55:22):
Money's making them crazy.
There you go.
Nathan Mumm (55:24):
All right.
Well, you know what?
Speaker 1 (55:26):
That was my nugget that and now our pick of the day
for our whiskey tastings.
Let's see what bubbles to thetop all right, what do we got
here?
Marc Gregoire (55:39):
mark still austin straight rye whiskey the artist
.
It is a straight rye, two yearsold, 99.6 proof, 100 texas rye,
45 dollars oh, that hits.
Mike Gorday (55:51):
that hits $45.
Oh, that hits everything thathe looks for.
Nathan Mumm (55:56):
I kind of liked it myself.
I don't know about you, but I'mgoing to give it a.
I understand the comments on it, but this is actually I kind of
like a little bit of a spicedwhiskey, so I'm going to give
this absolutely a thumbs up.
Mike Gorday (56:09):
I'm going to give it a thumbs up for the flavor,
because Mark has converted me torye.
I don't think I would buy it,though you wouldn't buy it.
No, okay, I mean, it waspleasant.
It's like elevator music, right?
I wouldn't call it elevator.
I hate elevator music.
Nathan Mumm (56:27):
You don't like elevator music.
I always dance to that.
I like soundtracks.
I think soundtracks are good.
Mike Gorday (56:36):
It's like you know.
It's one of those things that'spleasant when you.
It's like a light rainfall on ahot day, okay.
Nathan Mumm (56:39):
You're out there dancing all around with your
Sprite and 7-Up colas and allthose.
Mike Gorday (56:44):
Is that what you do in the rain?
That's what it is.
Do you do it naked, behind afive-foot step?
Nathan Mumm (56:48):
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Bye-bye.
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