Prepare yourself for a sobering look at the increasingly invasive world of technology monetization. Nick Espinosa, Chief Security Fanatic, joins the Tech Time crew to expose how tech giants are finding alarming new ways to serve us advertisements – from Samsung refrigerators with built-in ads to Microsoft's new full-screen "scoop" ads in Windows 11 that you can't escape. As Nick bluntly puts it, "We're never going to get rid of ads. They are trying to monetize absolutely everything."
The conversation takes a disturbing turn when examining the recent deepfake case in Scotland, where a man received only a fine after creating and sharing non-consensual nude images with a woman's face. This landmark case highlights the inadequacy of current legal frameworks to address AI-generated content that causes real psychological harm. Meanwhile, Google's takedown of 224 Android apps involved in a massive ad fraud operation generating 2.3 billion daily requests raises serious questions about mobile device security.
OpenAI's forthcoming $4 ChatGPT Go plan signals a potentially revolutionary shift in how we'll access information. This budget-friendly AI service, already available in India and Indonesia, raises fascinating questions about the future of search and whether "better thinking" will become a premium service only available to those willing to pay for it.
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means, by default, nathan takesover the control panel.
So welcome everyone.
Let's start today's show.
Now on today's show all right ontoday's show.
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will give us some good insightof what's going on.
And we always have our standardfeatures, including mike's
mesmerizing moment, ourtechnology fail the week, a
possible nathan nugget and, ofcourse, our pick of the day
whiskey tasting, to see if ourwhiskey pick gets zero, one or
two thumbs up by the end of theshow.
But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
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technology.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Here are our top technology stories of the week.
Nathan Mumm (02:16):
All right Story.
Number one open AIs got adiscount deal coming together
now, so we got a $4 GPT Go plan.
Have you guys heard about this?
This is the new alternativethat I believe will end up
taking over web searches in thefuture.
Mike Gorday (02:34):
It's going to be a GPT Plus plan in two months.
Nathan Mumm (02:36):
Well, there is a GPT Plus and a Pro plan, which
we'll talk about also, sothey're already there too, but
this is a $4 GPTO plan.
Let's go to Lisa Walker formore on this.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
The Go plan was launched as a budget-friendly
subscription at just $4 permonth, giving users access to
advanced AI tools in emergingregions.
Openai could start offeringChatGPT's premium features to
more users worldwide and the USin just a few weeks.
According to OpenAI's currentpricing tiers, chatgpt Go
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unlocks access to GPT-5,expanded messaging and uploads
faster image generation andcustom GPTs.
While the features are trimmedcompared to top-tier plans, it
still delivers more than whatthe free tier offers.
Now back to you guys in thestudio.
Nathan Mumm (03:28):
All right, so let's talk about this.
So we have this now is live inIndia and Indonesia.
If you are using the freeversion of ChatGPT, it actually
nudges you to upgrade your freeaccount to this ChatGPT 5 budget
account.
It's only $4.
Now it's not in the UnitedStates yet, but if you go to
(03:49):
their actual pricing plans youalready see USD pricing.
That is listed there, so youknow it's coming out in the next
couple of weeks.
I know Sam Altman has a bigpress release in two weeks from
now, which I would guess wouldbe probably the large
announcement of this eventitself having a browser slash,
mobile slash, cheap version ofChatGPT for $4 a month.
(04:12):
Now, in comparison, we have thePlus plan that you were talking
about.
That's $20 a month, mike.
So with that you get ChatGPT 5with advanced reasoning, you get
the Sora video generation, youget Kodc agents and expanded
deep research wait a second.
Mike Gorday (04:27):
If I pay more money , it will think better uh,
that's that, that's exactly,that's exactly.
Nathan Mumm (04:32):
It's kind of, you know, it's kind of like if you
get uh advice from somebody downat the local grocery store
versus if you get advice fromsomebody in a law firm if I need
a lawyer yeah, so you wouldn'tgo to you wouldn't'm going to
pay my GPT guy to think better.
Well yes, but guess what?
You can also get the pro plan.
So there's the plus, and thepro.
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The pro plan sits at $200 amonth.
It unlocks pro-level reasoning,so I mean that must be like.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
That is like your scientist version.
Nathan Mumm (05:02):
Oh my gosh, be like , that is like your scientist
version.
(05:05):
oh my gosh, you got your astronaut version you got your
lawyer version and you got yourlocal checker down at the at the
store available.
Nathan Mumm (05:09):
That's how you delineate your class system
there well, I'm just saying ifyou're doing each of the pro
plans that's, that's amazing.
So four dollars.
Chat gpt pro for four dollars amonth.
That changes your search if Ilive in india well, it's going
to be here in the United States.
Okay, would you pay for this?
Absolutely not.
You would not pay for this.
(05:30):
No.
Mike Gorday (05:31):
Oh man, okay, I'm going to.
I would.
Nathan Mumm (05:33):
I would Absolutely.
Mike Gorday (05:34):
Yeah, I know you would, because you love this
stuff.
Nathan Mumm (05:37):
I do love this stuff.
Mike Gorday (05:38):
I do not like it for certain things, but why
would I pay $20 a month?
Well, you don't have to.
Nathan Mumm (05:45):
You can pay now for the budget plan $4.
Mike Gorday (05:47):
Let's just say that I don't have access to that
budget plan quite yet, right,okay, if I'm paying $20 a month
for something to think for me,what do I need to be around for?
Nathan Mumm (05:58):
Well, you know, you said it, I'm just saying Okay.
Mike Gorday (06:03):
So I have an example.
I have a customer who wrote mea… Nastygram.
No, it's not a complaint letter, but sort of a letter that
lists some complaints aboutwhat's up.
Okay, and she used ChatGPT.
Okay, and she told me she usedChatGPT.
Okay, it was 18 pages long.
(06:31):
Okay, did you have to readthrough?
All of it I no, no, I didn'twhat because?
Because the chat gpt, yeah likedid all these meandering
tangents, tangents that it was.
Just it was.
If I've got to pay 20 bucks tomake it think better for me,
maybe that's why.
Well, you can always use Bing.
Nathan Mumm (06:50):
Microsoft Bing with .
Mike Gorday (06:50):
Copilot, which is available for free.
Nathan Mumm (06:52):
I know you're in a love affair with Bing.
I love Bing.
It's my browser.
Mike Gorday (06:55):
I think you just go around the house going Bing.
Marc Gregoire (06:58):
So, Mike, you have to let her know that you
can type After she gives you the18 pages.
She can type in shorter andit'll actually make it shorter
for her yeah, that's how csacondenses to five pages somebody
how to use something that'ssupposedly thinking for you.
Nathan Mumm (07:11):
Okay, four dollars, it's gonna be, it's gonna be
the biggest hit that's out there, okay.
Mike Gorday (07:15):
I don't understand why this is such a thing.
How is?
Marc Gregoire (07:17):
that different, like if you use the brave
browser, they have uh ai builtinto it yeah.
Do you know what they use forthat?
Nathan Mumm (07:23):
So their AI that they have built into it is.
I believe that's Anthropic.
It's still based on theChromium product that's
available there.
But I believe Brave uses eithertheir version of something.
But I don't believe Because Iuse Brave also and it's not the
same results that I get from mychat GPT results.
It is not so I think.
I think I mean it could be grok, it could be gemini.
(07:47):
With google it could be grokwith elon musk.
Marc Gregoire (07:49):
I don't think so.
It doesn't give me um that typeof response.
It doesn't give you that typeof response okay all right mark
four dollars you're paying itfor.
Nathan Mumm (07:57):
Uh, open ai's search tool.
Are you, are you gonna buy into?
Marc Gregoire (08:00):
that mark well, I'm already on the twenty dollar
plan so would you go down tothe $4?
Nathan Mumm (08:06):
that's exactly.
I'm on the $20 plan too.
Marc Gregoire (08:07):
I'd have to see whether it's pretty good or not
okay, so see he pays for 20bucks.
Nathan Mumm (08:12):
Hallelujah, there you go.
Mike Gorday (08:13):
Hallelujah, that's it sam allman's making money
yeah okay, okay all right, hewill be as soon as he takes a
stupid company public well,that's well.
Nathan Mumm (08:22):
Him and microsoft are working on that, mike by a
$20 plan.
Marc Gregoire (08:25):
it does more work for me and I have more time to
drink whiskey.
Oh there you go.
Nathan Mumm (08:31):
I can't argue with that one Cha-ching.
Mike Gorday (08:35):
There you go.
(08:36):
All right, maybe.
Mike Gorday (08:37):
I just need to do it to talk to my boss.
Is that what you need?
Nathan Mumm (08:40):
Whatever, what the hell was that?
Mike Gorday (08:44):
Pecan, pecan, pecan , tomato, tomato there you go.
Nathan Mumm (08:47):
That's your old clip, see, so I I've had the
control, but I got all your oldclips loaded here.
All right, there you go,there's your own now all right
hooked on phonics work for you.
We got that one too, you likethat works for you, didn't?
Marc Gregoire (09:00):
it works for you, didn't it?
There you go, see all right.
Nathan Mumm (09:02):
next story nathan all right right.
Next story, story number two.
Mike Gorday (09:06):
Story number two is not AI.
Well, it is AI.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah.
Mike Gorday (09:16):
The victim of one of the first deep fake image
prosecutions in Scotland no less, says she's been left feeling
humiliated and betrayed afterthe man who doctored her
likeness was given a fine likethis was given a fine.
So this person was alerted todeep fake images bearing her
face by a friend.
Colm Brooks of 25, from Glasgow, became one of the first to be
convicted of using AI technologyto create and share deep fake
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nude images after admitting theoffense in court last month.
So the woman, sophie, which isnot her real name, told BBC
Scotland that crimes using AIshould have their own
legislation and that penaltiesshould be higher, and the
Scottish government responded bysaying that it is considering
that.
We all know that I have aproblem with defakes.
(10:02):
Yep, as we all should, and isit?
Marc Gregoire (10:07):
because your face has been put on one or because
you want your face put on and ithasn't been done.
Neither, no, okay, neither Imean what's a deep fake right?
It's a fake.
Mike Gorday (10:18):
Fake is a digitally mint manipulated image that
replaces person's likenesseswith uh convincingly with other
images, right?
So it ranges from not only juststill pictures, which is this
particular one where somebodytook the image of a woman that
he knew in high school andplugged in some nudie stuff, all
(10:43):
the way to these videos whereyou see Barack Obama talking
about stuff he never did, andeven, I guess, trump doing it
too.
Just all kinds of stuff.
So we have this very powerfuleffect in the human nature where
, when we see things online oron TV or in in print, we have
(11:07):
this bias towards believing itokay so this you know.
This woman said she washorrified after a friend alerted
her that her face had been puton two of these images, and then
she reported that it wassomebody that she knew from high
school.
And they went to court and allthey got was a fine.
Nathan Mumm (11:34):
So there we go.
So they got a fine.
So what should be done tocorrect this?
Should the guy be?
Mike Gorday (11:41):
put in jail.
Well, you know, and we'retalking about UK- yeah.
So their laws are a littledifferent.
So he admitted to creating thedeep fake of naked images of the
woman he knew in high school,and the sharing of such images
without a person's consent isalready a criminal offense in
the UK.
Marc Gregoire (11:59):
Okay, and so why didn't it fall under that?
Mike Gorday (12:03):
You know, maybe we should ask ChatGPT, because I
don't know.
Nathan Mumm (12:07):
I don't know either , I don't know, I think it's
because it's AI generated.
So he's saying that he didn'tcreate it when I was looking a
little bit in this.
He didn't create it.
The AI created it, so it becamethis kind of this vague, but he
instructed it to use her image.
Marc Gregoire (12:23):
He's partly, yeah , but he instructed it to use
her image.
Nathan Mumm (12:24):
He's partly, he's fully responsible for that.
Marc Gregoire (12:26):
Yeah, he's fully responsible.
Nathan Mumm (12:27):
The AI computer did not just go out and grab a
picture and say we're going tothrow this face on a naked
person.
Marc Gregoire (12:33):
There you go.
So you're absolutely right.
It's like if I took Mike's face, put it on Fabio with the long
blonde hair.
Nathan Mumm (12:39):
Oh, you need to put him on the Russian Putin.
Marc Gregoire (12:46):
You ought to be Putin on the horseback.
On the horseback, that wouldupset me.
It's not like chat gp wouldhave done that on its own.
I'm the one that orchestratedthat, so I would be responsible.
Mike Gorday (12:54):
Yeah yeah well so what?
Nathan Mumm (12:56):
happens when you see ads because I every once in
a while I'm cruising around onthe internet.
You see ads and they come on upwith deep fakes and put
somebody's picture here and youcan add them to anything, right?
So if I put that picture inthere, I mean I use jib jab,
right?
Jib jab is kind of the veryfirst funny little uh cartoons
that you can do.
Your mouth talks.
It's kind of like uh, southpark, uh old school type of deal
(13:18):
and, um, I put people'spictures on there.
Does that mean that you need togive consent to that?
I sent those out at Christmastime with, normally, people from
my company that I'm workingwith.
They're kind of funny, I mean.
So it's kind of this gray areait is a gray area, because we
aren't.
Mike Gorday (13:35):
that's what we're talking about Exactly.
We're talking about consent andnon-consent.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (13:40):
And something like this is non-consensual, okay,
and something like this isnon-consensual, yeah, and
potentially damaging, okay.
Marc Gregoire (13:47):
Is it?
Mike Gorday (13:47):
a gray area.
Marc Gregoire (13:49):
Because you can do that for your own pleasure to
look, but if you start sendingthat out, I think that's the big
difference, right, I thinkthat's as soon as you start
sharing it out.
Nathan Mumm (13:57):
I mean, if you did it on your own privacy, I don't
know.
Mike Gorday (13:59):
It's essentially the same.
Nathan Mumm (14:00):
Okay, right.
Mike Gorday (14:07):
So if the same, okay, right.
So if I, if I created a deepfake of you, yeah, you know, in
a compromising don't don'twiggle your eyebrows at me buddy
, okay, if I did that, if I putyou on putin on a horse and then
I started sharing it with justuh at least with me of friends
okay that's, that's exactly thesame thing.
Okay, right, you can use myimage anytime I know I'm not
going to okay, all right.
Oh, it's the last person Iwould deepfake would be you, wow
.
Nathan Mumm (14:27):
Okay.
Well, let's go to story numberthree.
That's why we're on the radio,that's right, google nukes.
Mike Gorday (14:32):
Yeah, we have a face for radio, but we do have a
live stream, that's right.
Nathan Mumm (14:35):
Google nukes 224 Android malware apps behind a
massive ad fraud campaign.
We're going to be talking aboutads a lot.
You guys know that I hate ads,right, I hate ads.
Mike Gorday (14:44):
I'm playing for the NFL red zone and I get ads
during my NFL red zone.
Nathan Mumm (14:50):
Oh my word.
Mike Gorday (14:52):
Not until this happens 1,000, 2,000, 1,000,
3,000.
Nathan Mumm (14:56):
My psychologist says that I need to count
backwards.
Massive Android ad fraudoperation, dubbed as Slop Ads,
was distributed over 224malicious applications on the
Google Play Store, whichgenerated $2.3 billion ad
requests per day.
(15:25):
No-transcript, because it didhit the United States with 30%
of the people of the 2.3 billionrequests, 10% on India, 7% on
Brazil, so it was actually nottargeted specifically just at
the United States, but a broadswoop of information.
Now, the slop ads originallythought very what do you say
(15:49):
intelligently on how they didthis?
Because if you actually take alook at these apps and you
download them from the PlayStore, none of these apps are
compromised.
So if you go and you find theapp and you see it in the Google
Play, it meets all thestandards that Google has.
But what happens is, a lot oftimes, in TikTok videos and in
other reels and other areas, youget links to say, hey, go and
(16:12):
download this app, or you getthis through facebook, or even
emails or or text download thisapp.
When you actually, though,clicked on the link, what it did
is it actually downloaded amodule in front of the
application, which was then usedto control and configure
encrypted configuration filesthat contained urls for ad fraud
, malware modules, cash cash outservers and JavaScript payload.
Mike Gorday (16:35):
Okay, all right.
So what you were talking aboutthe other day in our production
meeting was that you're prettysure that pretty much everybody
has something on their Androidphone.
Nathan Mumm (16:45):
Yes, I believe almost everybody has AdWord on
their Android phone.
Mike Gorday (16:49):
All right.
So how do you get it off?
Nathan Mumm (16:51):
There's tools to get it off.
Do you have Malwarebytes loadedon your phone?
Mike Gorday (16:55):
What is Malwarebytes?
Nathan Mumm (16:57):
Malwarebytes is an application you can load on your
phone Android, iphone.
It's a free version or abusiness version.
It'll actually go through andscan and take a look if you have
any of those compromised ads.
There's a couple other tools,but I like Malwarebytes right,
like malware bites right now,just because they they haven't
kind of sold out in my opinionas some of these others.
But if you actually scan andrun that, you'll probably find
(17:17):
out that you are compromised andhave two or three items on
there.
You know what mike ask nickwhen nick is on the show, how he
feels about android devices,because I think almost
everyone's been compromised.
I have an android phone and Ihave to run it because I won't
even download stuff and I'll seeNFL scores, I'll see this or
see something come up, and thenI'll say my phone starts running
(17:38):
really, really slow again.
And then I go and I search onit and boom, it's got stuff.
Mike Gorday (17:42):
Well, I have a question that you may not have
the answer to, but maybe it'llget to the Android folks.
Okay, why doesn't Android putsome anti-malware stuff on their
phone in the first?
Nathan Mumm (17:54):
place.
Well, I think if you have likea verizon plan, they say that
they come with their verizonprotect and they charge you like
nine bucks a month for it.
T-mobile has a protection plan.
Uh, because you can jailbreakthese devices, you can go into
the kernel and do differentstuff.
It's because it's a minicomputer that android isn't as
well adapted as, I would say,apple in their iOS to make sure
(18:15):
that those things are taken careof.
You know what?
Let's ask.
You ask Nick that okay, Mike.
Marc Gregoire (18:19):
I don't know if it's well adapted versus iPhone
is more closed architecture,Okay All right.
Mike Gorday (18:24):
So I just looked at Malwarebytes.
You have to do a freesubscription for seven days.
Nathan Mumm (18:32):
Yes, you do, yes, you do, yes, you do.
Mike Gorday (18:34):
Is there anyone that works that you don't have
to try?
Nathan Mumm (18:36):
That's the only one I would try.
Marc Gregoire (18:39):
There's ones that you don't have to pay for, Mike
, but they have malware in them.
Nathan Mumm (18:42):
Yeah, they have malware in them.
You can download a free VPNservice anytime you want.
Mike Gorday (18:46):
All right.
Nathan Mumm (18:47):
Well, that ends our top technology stories of the
week.
When we return, we have NickEspinoza from Security Fanatics.
He's going to be joining theshow.
We're going to ask him thatAndroid question and he's going
to expose some scams inadvertising.
You'll find that out.
Next You're listening to TechTime with Nathan Mumm.
We'll be right back after thiscommercial break.
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Nathan Mumm (19:52):
All right, welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan
Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without any
political agenda.
We do it by verifying the facts, with a little sense of humor
and, of course, with a littlewhiskey on the side.
Now, Mark Gregoire, I'm so gladto see you back in the studio.
All right, it's been a while.
I didn't know if it was my badBO that was causing you to drift
(20:13):
away or other things, but I'mglad you're back.
Acknowledge the BO dude.
Marc Gregoire (20:18):
Well, you know all nerdy people normally have a
little bit of no, because thenyou'll stop hugging me.
Mike Gorday (20:23):
That's right.
Okay, I'm sorry, I didn't meanto get into the really super
personal stuff, our littlebromance.
Nathan Mumm (20:30):
All right, mark, what have you chosen for us
today?
Marc Gregoire (20:33):
Today we're drinking Baker's Bourbon
13-year-old, limited editionsingle barrel.
This is the 2025 release.
Okay Now, from Beam's website,this extra age expression
explores how time and locationin the warehouse drives
distinction from barrel tobarrel.
While the notes of every barrelof Baker's offers a unique
(20:53):
tasting journey, you can expecta few defining characteristics
Fruit, vanilla and caramel onthe nose, medium-bodied in
flavors of oak, toasted nutswith vanilla and fruity notes,
with a finish that is robust,medium-long and warmly rounded.
Mike Gorday (21:09):
Oh, very nice.
Marc Gregoire (21:15):
Now for those whiskey nerds out there.
This particular um barrel iszero zero, zero, two, seven,
eight, two, one, three.
So if you have that number,you're drinking the same barrel
as us oh, how many barrels doyou think are out there?
I have no idea.
Nathan Mumm (21:25):
Okay, so there's like one big, large bat, because
I know I have a friend thatdoes wine.
Marc Gregoire (21:30):
Each barrel, depending on the yield, probably
gives about 200 bottles.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I'd say on average.
I was going to say that.
Marc Gregoire (21:37):
If they have 15,000 bottles across the US.
You do the math.
Okay, All right.
Mike Gorday (21:43):
All right.
So I scanned my phone withmalware bytes.
Yeah, how many threats do youthink I have?
Nathan Mumm (21:50):
You're very excited about this, so it must be zero.
Mike Gorday (21:53):
It is zero.
Okay, all right zero threatsdetected.
Nathan Mumm (21:56):
Okay, okay, well, good job.
So we'll have to take a look atwhat nick comes on next to do
that.
How about the whiskey?
What is your taste on thewhiskey there?
Zero threats on the on thewhiskey also.
Marc Gregoire (22:05):
Yes, okay, threats well, he doesn't know
about the whiskey yet, so let metell you, mike, so you can be
more excited.
This is from beam cent Centauri.
It's from the Jim BeamDistillery in Claremont,
kentucky.
It's a straight bourbon age 13years old.
It's 107 proof.
The mash bill is 77% corn, 13%rye and 10% malted barley In
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this bottle.
Msrp is around $150.
Mike Gorday (22:32):
Very nice Because they give you a beautiful cork.
Look at that cork.
That's.
Srp is around $150.
Marc Gregoire (22:35):
Very nice Because they give you a beautiful cork.
Look at that cork.
That's a Nathan cork.
That's a cork.
That's a Nathan cork.
That is a cork.
Nathan Mumm (22:39):
I liked it from the very first sip and it's got a
lingering little taste.
I like it a lot.
Mike Gorday (22:44):
All right, that's called a finish buddy.
Marc Gregoire (22:50):
That is a finish Don tips.
I like that.
Nathan Mumm (22:53):
Tip us now, because that way we can put 25K of it I
listened to last week.
Marc Gregoire (22:56):
Did you listen to the show last week?
I listened to your show.
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Give us tips.
Marc Gregoire (23:00):
Now drink responsibly.
Heaven can wait, all right.
Nathan Mumm (23:04):
Thank you so much, Mark.
I love seeing you back in this.
Mike Gorday (23:08):
What if heaven can't wait?
I think he can wait, all right.
Nathan Mumm (23:11):
Well, with our whiskey tasting completed, let's
move on to our feature segment.
Today, our technology expert,nick Espadosa, is joining the
show.
Nick is an expert incybersecurity and network
infrastructure.
He's consulted with clientsranging from small business to
the Fortune 100 level.
In 1998, at the age of 19, nickfounded Windy City Networks,
which he later acquired in 2015,which was acquired in 2015.
(23:34):
He then created SecurityFanatics, where he serves as the
chief security fanatic today.
Let's get ready to start ournext segment.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Welcome to the segment we call Ask the Experts
With our tech time radio expert,Nick Espinoza.
Nathan Mumm (23:52):
All right, Nick, welcome back to the show.
Tell everybody a little bitabout yourself.
Nick Espinosa (23:57):
Yeah, yeah, nick Espinoza, chief Security Fanatic
of Security Fanatics.
Hi Nick, hey guys, how youdoing?
And always happy to be here,always happy to hang out.
Marc Gregoire (24:06):
Are you drinking anything today, Nick?
Nick Espinosa (24:11):
No, just nursing a headache.
Nathan Mumm (24:15):
Oh, nursing a headache.
Nick Espinosa (24:16):
There's a headache, it's the season.
What are you gonna do all?
Nathan Mumm (24:18):
right, all right, nick, let's ask you the android
question.
Do you think most androidphones are compromised?
Nick Espinosa (24:24):
so the android question, I think, is actually a
really interesting one, in thesense that android can be both
super secure, way more securethan an iPhone, and it can be
way less secure than an AppleiPhone as well, and it really
depends on the maker, the junkthey load on it, and also the
user if they know what tools,technologies to put on, if
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they're using, basically like ahardening guide.
So we use actually what issomething called a STIG or
Security TechnicalImplementation Guide that is put
out by the Department ofDefense, and they have one for
Samsung, android, google Android, motorola Android, et cetera,
even iPhones, and it is a reallygood checklist to go down and
really start hardening a lot ofthe different settings and
controls that you have in amobile phone, because, to your
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point, it is just a computer,right, it just happens to be in
your pocket and you happen to beable to make phone calls with
it too.
So, no, I don't have anymalware.
For the record, I also do notuse Malwarebytes.
I use Bitdefender and they arein the top three consistently on
AV tests, which is out ofGermany that test these things
(25:30):
pretty much monthly forantiviral solutions specifically
for Android, and they do, forthe record, have a free version
that will not make you pay.
Nathan Mumm (25:37):
All right, nick, let's move on.
We love Ferris Bueller's DayOff, right?
So Ferris hacks into his gradesand makes changes in a most
impossible way ever, but back inthe day, you know, you didn't
know that.
So you're like, oh, that's socool, ferris Bueller did this,
but we now have this becoming aserious problem, specifically in
the UK.
What is going on with thisright now?
Nick Espinosa (26:00):
Yes and Nathan, for the record, if any of you
guys ever come to Chicago we cando the Ferris Bueller tour.
(26:05):
OK.
Nick Espinosa (26:06):
You can see all the places that the gang was at.
But, yes, this is a fun one and, quite frankly, I think it's a
little nuts.
But the ICO, or InformationCommissioner's Office in the UK,
basically put out a report thatsaid 57% of insider attacks at,
like universities and whatnot,are the actual students figuring
out how to get into stuff.
(26:27):
Now, I don't know if thatnumber is necessarily true or
not, but they say since 2022,that essentially has been the
issue.
They looked at 215 incidents inschools, colleges, universities
and all that kind of stuff, andso this actually is a big issue
.
Right, because students aretrying to innovate and this was
me at 14, right, I was basicallywell, my school ran Novell
(26:49):
NetWare and had AOL dial-up, sothat was easy to get into.
But the point is that I thinkpersonally they should be
getting training.
There is obviously some kind ofinspiration here, some kind of
requisite knowledge, some kindof curiosity that if the UK
school system, or any schoolsystem, was smart about, they'd
actually start fostering thiskind of education and say, hey,
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there's something here, let'sput them through these kinds of
classes, get them educated insecurity.
On top of it, give them moralsand ethics classes so they don't
go the wrong way.
But I think overarchingly thisis really interesting.
But I think it also shows thatthe kids aren't just sitting on
the couch scrolling throughvideos.
There's an actual aptitude herethat if we ignore I think it's
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to our detriment in thecybersecurity field.
Nathan Mumm (27:39):
Yeah, I totally hear you.
So let me ask you the nextthing.
We talked about the Androidhack, right?
Yeah, all right.
So now let's talk about what iscoming up with all these ads.
Every company is doing more andmore and more ads.
What can we do to figure out away that we don't have all of
(27:59):
these ads that are available andwhat's going on?
Mike Gorday (28:02):
Throw your phone away.
Nick Espinosa (28:05):
So I literally just did a video the other day
basically stating we're nevergoing to get rid of ads.
We were never going to get it.
They are trying to monetizeabsolutely everything.
You know.
Even I promise you MarkZuckerberg's new glasses and all
that.
(28:19):
We're going to be talking about our technology fail.
Nathan Mumm (28:22):
What a perfect, what a perfect fail.
Online Right.
Nick Espinosa (28:25):
Okay, I didn't want to, I blew it, I guess,
sorry but keep on telling usmore ads it's all right, but but
yeah, I mean.
So if you look at it, we haveads coming in Windows 11 now.
Nathan Mumm (28:34):
A Windows 11, an operating system?
Yeah, yeah, so explain this tome.
So I pay for Windows 11, right?
Well, actually, what's reallyinteresting is I don't have to
pay for Windows 11 becauseWindows 10 is going to be around
now for another three yearswith security updates, and then
after that it'll be around foranother three years because
they've made promises to peoplethat it was the last operating
system which they're in troublewith.
(28:56):
But if you do upgrade toWindows 11, I pay for that
operating system to upgrade.
I pay to have that running onmy system.
You're telling me I'm going toget ads in this.
Nick Espinosa (29:06):
Yeah, so here's the interesting part about this.
So if you have a Microsoft 365subscription with Windows 11 and
they really, really want you tohave that, right.
Essentially, as it starts to endright, you're coming up to that
period you may start seeingfull screen ads in Windows 11.
And so this is essentially whathappened.
(29:27):
On September 12th, like thispast Friday, like a week ago,
microsoft basically released apreview build.
These are the builds thatjournalists get, that IT teams
get, that developers get, so wecan kind of see what's coming in
Windows, and it containssomething called a Scoob, which
is a second chance out-of-boxexperience, a second chance up
(29:50):
out of box experience.
So so that's basically what itis.
It's a full screen thing youcan't get away from unless you
interact with it, and it's therejust to nag you essentially to
to buy microsoft stuff or torenew microsoft stuff so I
actually have that on my office365 a lot of lawsuits coming
down, the down the I have an ad
Nathan Mumm (30:07):
that popped up.
I have windows 11.
This actually happened to me.
So this is exactly office 365on an account.
I shut it down and so whathappened is when I relaunched
that pc, it said hey, you knowwhat?
You don't have a current activelicense.
Do you know what I got in theos at the very bottom of the bar
.
It actually came from thebottom of the bar, loaded up,
(30:27):
and it says you need to now orthese are your three options you
can do the cloud version, youcan do this, you can do this.
And I could not get out.
There was no X button to getrid of it either.
So I'm like what I all tabbedover to try to get rid of it.
I got so mad at it I had torestart the machine to have it
take it.
I could.
I'm on the earlier build, so Ido have my Windows Update
(30:47):
settings set to get early buildsinstead of just the release
builds that were out there.
But was that the actual service, nick, that I actually saw?
Nick Espinosa (30:57):
So it might be so from Microsoft, and this is
directly their release notes,and I quote Microsoft right now,
we're introducing a simplereminder that appears as a scoop
screen to let you know thatyour Microsoft subscription
needs attention.
For example, if renewal paymentdidn't go through, in just a
few clicks you can review andupdate your payment method and
keep your subscription benefitsuninterrupted.
(31:18):
So, yes, you're going to haveto click through things.
Even if you're like, say, youknow what I'm going open source
for GetMicrosoftOffice, I don'twant these annoying ads, they're
going to give them to you, sothis isn't cool.
Now, to be fair to Microsoft,this is a preview build right so
they might get feedback.
You know, to Mike's point, theymight get sued and this goes
(31:39):
away, but this is what we'reseeing over and over and over
from every company.
I mean not to throw Microsoftunder the bus here.
We should throw all of themunder the bus, and that's the
name of the game, right?
Advertising is the core of theinternet and why the Facebooks
of the world are free.
Nathan Mumm (31:56):
Okay, so I have Alexa device.
Do you understand?
Alexa device now runscommercials and when I ask it to
play something I'll say likeplay my music.
It gives me a 15 secondcommercial before it plays my
music.
I paid for that freaking Alexadevice.
I have it hooked up to myfreaking thing.
Why is?
Marc Gregoire (32:11):
it when I Is he bitching?
Yeah, he paid for the device,but you didn't pay for the
subscription.
Nathan Mumm (32:16):
The subscription service is a part of when you
buy the device itself.
Marc Gregoire (32:19):
I shouldn't say, play my favorite 80s music and
then get a 15-second ad.
Nathan Mumm (32:25):
I'm not paying for Spotify.
Mike Gorday (32:30):
It's not a Spotify service.
It's the same thing as watchingsomething on Prime Video now
and you have to sit throughthree minutes of commercials
before you see the damn show.
Nick Espinosa (32:36):
Or you pay Amazon a few dollars more a month and
they'll get rid of it.
The lock screen on a Kindle isan advertisement.
Unless you pay Amazon like 20,30 bucks, you can pay for a
YouTube premium subscription andyou still get ads.
Mike Gorday (32:51):
At some point, somebody's going to figure out
that this is extortion andthey're going to do something
about it.
Nathan Mumm (32:56):
Really.
So I keep on looking.
So here's what we need tocreate.
We need to create a lawsuitagainst technology companies
that are class action.
Just one website that everybodycan get involved in because you
have the Google payouts.
You have these payouts.
There's no way to ever find allthis information, unless you're
like a real tech nerdy likemyself and go through.
There should be a website thathas every class action against
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technology sites that everybodycan sign up for.
Marc Gregoire (33:21):
Sure, you know all the technology companies
would actually like that.
I don't think they reallyprefer to run ads or doing that,
because they offer it for free,because Americans don't want to
pay additional costs.
If you pass that law, then theyhave the right and everybody
starts doing the plus model tocharge you and then you're going
to get everybody complaining.
All right Charge now you'regoing to move to a different
(33:42):
platform.
Nick Espinosa (33:44):
But I think Nathan's right.
I mean, one of my many day jobsis I occasionally lecture at
law schools like Loyola LawSchool down in Chicago and got
into a really interesting debateabout this that when you have
essentially a legal system liketoday's Congress that can't even
vote on what to have for lunch,class action lawsuits are one
of those ways that actuallyshape and craft law, because all
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the other companies like if wesue microsoft for this, google
then sees it and says, oh, weshouldn't do that either.
Right, so so there is guidancefor that, you know, in due to
class action lawsuits.
Now, that said, you know if wehave a billion dollar class
action lawsuit, we're getting 30and our lawyers are getting 500
million.
Mike Gorday (34:23):
Yeah, I just got a.
I just got a 30 payout from thefacebook thing, like five years
ago, yeah, so nick.
Marc Gregoire (34:29):
I agree with you about class action.
Lawsuits are a way that, asindividuals, what we can move
the needle.
But do we want to move thisneedle?
I think is more of the debate.
We don't want ads, but we alsodon't want to pay for
subscriptions.
Well, that's true.
Nick Espinosa (34:44):
Yeah, but I think there's a balance to be made
there, and if you are paying for, let's say, a premium service,
you're paying for that privilege.
Then ads should be removed,exactly.
But that's the thing.
So you go on YouTube and thenyou're listening to somebody and
they say, oh, and, by the way,buy this protein shake, and blah
, blah, blah.
Well, dude, it's not anofficial ad, but you're
(35:06):
literally advertising tosomething that I'm listening to
in an ad break and and thegoogle sensors don't pick it up
on youtube, right?
Marc Gregoire (35:13):
no, but that's how those, those guys get paid.
Nick Espinosa (35:15):
Yeah, okay, I get that I get that at the same
token, though, you're alsomonetized through youtube.
Right, you have enoughsubscribers, youtube starts
paying you for that well youknow, now you need tips.
Nathan Mumm (35:27):
Now you need tips because now they're taking them
there's a balance theresomewhere.
Nick Espinosa (35:30):
We just, we just everybody's suing everybody.
I mean we live in the unitedstates that's right.
Nathan Mumm (35:35):
All right, the last thing.
So we're not going to get toour our very last, last question
, which would admit we're gonnahave to come back, and we'll do
that as a teaser for next timeyou're on.
But let's talk about samsung.
Mike Gorday (35:43):
Okay, so we just picked on somebody else, why are
are you bagging on Samsung?
Nathan Mumm (35:47):
Well, you know what , nick?
Tell me.
What is Samsung deciding to dospecifically with ads?
Nick Espinosa (35:53):
Yeah, so that video I put out on YouTube and
please subscribe.
I need the money.
No, okay, basically, whatSamsung is doing and this drives
me up a wall, but it's why Idid the video of We'll Never
Escape Ads is, if you havesamsung refrigerator with that
really cool lcd panel, they'renow putting ads on those as well
.
So here we are your, yourfridge is going to advertise for
(36:15):
you.
And, interestingly enough, ifyou want to talk about samsung
android phones as well because Ihave samsung androids and a
couple of other phones as well,we have all types of phones here
.
I now in the newer releases ofandroid on sam, where you have
the notification bar like oh,you have a text, you have this.
I'm now getting Samsung ads onthose as well.
Marc Gregoire (36:35):
So, so, so yeah.
Nick Espinosa (36:36):
Samsung is going all in.
Marc Gregoire (36:38):
All right.
So once my fridge starts doingads, that's it.
We're breaking up.
Mike Gorday (36:43):
We're not dating anymore.
Nathan Mumm (36:51):
I'm just glad that I'm so old that I'm looking at
the the door out of the frigidhair.
The simple one, all right.
So you know what?
Let's go real quick.
There's a new study coming outof cambridge that says ai is
helping with child development.
Nick, in two minutes, give uswhat is going on here and how is
ai helping all of our childdevelopment.
Nick Espinosa (37:09):
Yeah, yeah.
So the questions that theseresearchers are asking are
awesome, like do AI toys affirmlove and friendship to a child
and what does that mean for achild's human relationships?
In other words, the AI doesn'thave emotion, but can it be
friendly?
But that's not the same ashuman interaction.
Do AI toys share children'sconversations with parents or
even third parties?
And so what does that look likefor a child's right to privacy?
(37:31):
And if the child knowseverything is being recorded, it
fundamentally changes theirconcept of privacy.
Like all these different kindsof questions are being asked.
I'm calling it now that if AI isbasically introduced in a
childhood development, it'sgoing to fundamentally alter how
we develop as humans, and Mikeprobably can answer that more
effectively given his background.
But the point is is these arethe kinds of things that we have
(37:53):
to longitudinally look at,because AI is getting integrated
into everything.
And if you've got kids wherethe parents are completely
ignoring them but they have anAI teddy bear or whatever,
that's a fundamental shift andnot just parenting but childhood
development, and I think it'squite frankly, that's a little
scary.
Mike Gorday (38:09):
It's a lot of scary .
It's a lot of scary.
It's not just a little, it's alot, all right.
Nick Espinosa (38:14):
Yeah, you'd know better.
Nathan Mumm (38:15):
All right, well, you know what, maybe Mike's
mesmerizing moment we willdiscuss.
I already know you're going toask me Unpack this a little bit
more.
All right, nick, on the show,it's always a pleasure to talk
with us.
Please tell how listeners canconnect with you outside the
show and tip you.
That's right, we always wanttips now, since you can write
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Nick Espinosa (38:34):
You can send money to the Save the Nick
Foundation.
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You can like share.
Follow me Facebook, twitter,linkedin.
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Marc Gregoire (38:45):
AESP.
Nick Espinosa (38:45):
Blue Sky as well for the preview there.
Nathan Mumm (38:49):
All right, nick we thank you so much for being a
part of our show.
Thanks guys.
All right, we always lovehaving Nick on the show.
He helps us immensely with allof our technology items.
Mike Gorday (39:01):
And drinking.
Nathan Mumm (39:02):
You like him drinking too.
Mike Gorday (39:04):
Every time I talk to Nick I drink more.
All right, you're welcome.
That ends our segment.
Ask the Expert with Nick Everytime.
Nick Espinosa (39:08):
I talk to Nick, I drink more All right, all right
.
Nathan Mumm (39:09):
You're welcome, All right.
Well, that ends our segment.
Ask the Expert with Nick Up.
Now we have Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
Welcome to Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
What does Mike have to saytoday?
All right, Mike, should AI be apart of child development?
Mike Gorday (39:29):
No.
Nathan Mumm (39:30):
What Explain that to me?
Why are you saying that I'm in?
Marc Gregoire (39:34):
disagreement here .
Okay.
Mike Gorday (39:36):
Mark says yes, let's hear Mark.
Okay, mark, what's your take on?
Marc Gregoire (39:41):
this Because I don't think it's an absolute.
Yes, I don't think it's anabsolute.
No, ai is going to be here, soI like what Nick talked about,
how they're studying it and wecan put safeguards around it.
It's going to come, so let's doit in the most integrative,
productive way.
I don't agree that it shouldtake the place of parents, but
that's what's happening.
That is a problem.
(40:01):
I agree with you that it's aproblem.
Mike Gorday (40:03):
This is a smaller addition to a greater problem,
because we've already done that.
We've already given our kidsover to, uh, different forms of
childhood development.
We're giving kids phones whenthey're like five years old,
okay, and they're becomingscreen junkies, yeah, and and
why?
Why is that a good thing forparents?
(40:24):
Because they don't have to.
Nathan Mumm (40:25):
It's like when it's like, it's like a babysitter,
it's you don't have to payattention to like when it's like
, it's like a babysitter it'syou don't have to pay attention
to your kid.
I was at a restaurant.
It is.
That's exactly throw a tabletthere and say, kid, I'm not
going to talk to you.
Mike Gorday (40:35):
That's right.
And so we've already used thistechnology and our technological
innovations to decrease theamount of interactions that
we're getting with with peopleand not just people, but
children and so we're justadding this new piece instead of
saying, oh, here's a phone,here's like, uh teddy from the
(40:57):
movie ai okay, teddy okay right,that was.
That was.
That was cool.
He was like this teddy bearthat how about teddy ruxpin?
Nathan Mumm (41:04):
was that ai?
Mike Gorday (41:05):
no, that was an ai, that was, that was an
animatronic okay, okay, but ithad a cassette tape, it had a
cassette tape, but it was.
That's sort of the I guess, theproto-vision of what we're
looking at here.
We're looking at AI toys thatare going to interact with your
child.
It's like the stupid robotsthat interact with people.
Marc Gregoire (41:28):
In the old folks' homes.
Mike Gorday (41:30):
You know that that's it's.
It's not human development, itis human replacement okay, and
because, we anthropomorphizethings.
We're going to start havingpair relationships with these
items such that they're going tostart replacing they're already
replacing legitimate humaninteractions, Okay.
(41:53):
And we're seeing it just withthese dating AIs, where these
guys are going on apps to datesomething that doesn't exist
because the app gives themautomatic positive regard all
the time.
Okay.
Marc Gregoire (42:10):
So in that we're in 100% agreement.
I wouldn't want AI inchildren's toys to replace the
parenting yeah, now to go backto my original.
Mike Gorday (42:20):
No, there's always benefits to the tool.
Okay, but it depends on how thetool is used Absolutely.
Marc Gregoire (42:32):
Makes sense.
Nathan Mumm (42:33):
All right, thank you, mike, for that mesmerizing
moment.
Up next we have this Week inTechnology, so now would be a
great time to enjoy a littlewhiskey on the side, as we will
be doing so during the break.
You're listening to Tech TimeRadio with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes.
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You know, you butcher theEnglish language all the time.
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Nathan Mumm (43:58):
And now let's look back at this week in technology.
All right, this week intechnology we're going to
September 24th, 1979.
Compuserve launches the firstconsumer-orientated online
information service, which theycalled Micronet.
Now, this marked the first timea consumer had access to
services such as email.
The service was not favoredinternally within the
(44:19):
business-orientated space, butCompuServe became the service
that was such a hit that it wasrenamed CompuServe Information
Service, or CIS, and became aconsumer heaven.
By the mid-1980s, compuservewas the largest consumer
information service in the world, and half of the revenue came
(44:41):
from CIS.
In 1989, though, compuserveconnected its proprietary email
system to this thing called theinternet, and then email took
off, making it the firstcommercial internet service
available to send email.
However, compuserve did notcompete well with this other
company called America Online orindependent internet service
(45:02):
providers that were all acrossthe world in the 1990s, and it
soon lost its dominant marketposition.
Do you remember CompuServeUh-huh Mark.
Market position?
You remember compu serve uh-huhmark do you?
remember compu serve?
Oh yeah, all right, that was apretty good service, but you
know what?
It did not send out a hundredthousand million, trillion cds
in every single thing likeamerica online did that,
(45:24):
understood.
It wasn't about service and itwasn't about what you had.
It was about, uh, hitting themarket with everything, free for
hours.
Now back then you had to payfor an internet service provider
.
Now the internet, you get itfrom a Comcast or a large
distributor.
Mike Gorday (45:40):
That you still pay for.
You're still paying for it.
You still pay for it A lot more.
Nathan Mumm (45:44):
But you actually got services back then so they
actually created stories, news,information for you.
So when you would actually dialinto these services, they would
give you kind of the news ofthe day, cause they didn't have
the CNNs online or the MSNBCsonline.
This is where you got your newsand your fast breaking
information of what was going on.
Marc Gregoire (46:04):
I'm curious Did you use AOL or Mike?
Did any of you have an idea?
I did not.
Did you use AOL?
Nathan Mumm (46:08):
or Mike.
Did any of you have an AOL?
I did not.
I did, I used AOL for a bit.
Mike Gorday (46:12):
I used the disks.
Did you?
Yeah, I used to make things outof them and throw them at my
kids.
Nathan Mumm (46:18):
Did you put them in your microwave?
Marc Gregoire (46:20):
I never put them in my microwave.
You're the only one that usedAOL.
Nathan Mumm (46:23):
I did use AOL for a bit, but then I went to an
internet service provider thatwas local and it was a little
bit better.
Mike Gorday (46:28):
I use a local ISP.
I still have my original ISPemail.
Yeah yeah, I still pay for itevery year.
Nathan Mumm (46:38):
Remember Blue Light came on out.
Kmart had its Blue Lightservice that was available, and
then they had Juno and they hadall these other services across.
Alright, well, that was thisweek in technology.
We could spend seven hourstalking about what it used to be
back in the olden days.
But if you want to see someTech Time history, you can visit
us online at techtimeradiocomand watch our older podcast
video and blog information.
(46:59):
We're going to take acommercial break.
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Nathan Mumm (47:44):
What do we got?
Marc Gregoire (47:45):
number 23rd.
So mike made a nice commentlast week that I listened to,
where he said when I tie in thewhiskey to the day, that I'm
very innovative about it, unlikeNathan's pairing.
Nathan Mumm (47:55):
So I appreciate that oh wow.
Marc Gregoire (47:57):
Unfortunately, Mike, I might let you down today
.
It's very basic today.
You can probably even guesswhat today is.
Today is I have a headache day.
No no no, it ties to ourwhiskey.
Nathan Mumm (48:09):
Oh, bakers, is it like a?
Mike Gorday (48:10):
baker's dozen National Baker's Day.
Marc Gregoire (48:12):
Bingo National Baker Day.
Way to go.
Baker is an old English origin.
The word bake on, but not C-O-N, it's C-A-N, which means to dry
by heat, that is, to bake.
It originated before the 8thcentury.
It was primarily used as anoccupational name for people who
(48:34):
bake bread or bricks.
So the popular belief is thatthe name was used to refer to
the owner of a communal oven whowas in charge of it for a
village.
Okay, now, with that, we aredrinking today Baker's
13-year-old bourbon, which isnamed for Baker Beam, the
truck-driving, motorcycle-ridinggrandnephew of the legendary
(48:56):
Jim Beam, with each bottle froma single barrel.
Baker's 13-year-old is,unapologetically, man, I can't
pronounce.
I am not unapologetically.
Nathan Mumm (49:05):
You're Nathan, what ?
Nathan said it I'm here to helpyou out.
Marc Gregoire (49:10):
I finished my glass of whiskey and I am
stumbling.
You are Nathan Pecan pecantomato, tomato.
Mike Gorday (49:15):
There you go, that's right.
Marc Gregoire (49:17):
Now, I do not usually drink bean products as I
find their peanut profile toooverwhelming, getting into
peanut butter, which I don'tcare for Really.
Mike Gorday (49:27):
No, screwball peanut whiskey.
Screwball peanut butter whiskey.
Marc Gregoire (49:30):
So when I go into a liquor store and I see
screwball on the top shelf, Iwalk out immediately.
Wow, Now Baker's 13.
(49:36):
So much hate.
Marc Gregoire (49:39):
I got it all built in.
(49:40):
I haven't been here for a few months, I guess so I get you
Okay.
Marc Gregoire (49:42):
Baker's 13 is an exception.
It is a focused single barrelbourbon that leans into warm oak
, lots of sugar and caramel withjust a hint of nuttiness.
The dry rice spice keeps theprofile from feeling overly
sweet or muddled.
The finish is long, slightlytannic and quietly spiced it
(50:02):
rewards a slow, neat pour.
Nathan Mumm (50:04):
Okay, I like it All right, anything else to say
there, mike, no, okay, you knowwhat guys?
Marc Gregoire (50:10):
Mike has else to say there, mike, no, okay, you
know what guys?
Mike Gorday (50:12):
Mike has nothing to say because his glass is empty,
my glass is yeah.
Nathan Mumm (50:14):
Whiskey and technology are such a great
pairing, kind of like theMariners baseball team trying to
get into the postseason.
Mike Gorday (50:20):
You never know if it's going to happen.
How is that a pairing?
Nathan Mumm (50:25):
That's the end of the season for baseball.
Theattle mariners never have agood enough team to just be
ahead of it.
They always have to come intothe last two, three, four games
and try to win it at the lastseries I think this is you
trying to be innovative um, thisis just me being saying what
whiskey and technology are likea great pairing.
It's like copy and paste, is itokay?
You love that one, you lovethat.
Mike Gorday (50:46):
You know that's an easy, that's an easy, that's an
easy.
Nathan Mumm (50:47):
I can't say that every week.
No, no.
Mike Gorday (50:50):
But you don't have to go way into Mariners trying
to get into the blah blah.
Nathan Mumm (50:55):
All right, let's move on to our technology fail
of the week.
Congratulations, you're afailure.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
Oh, I failed.
Did I yes, did I yes.
Nathan Mumm (51:06):
All right.
Technology fail is coming fromyour buddy, Mark.
(51:10):
Zuckerberg yes, we had a field day with this one, his.
Nathan Mumm (51:13):
AI classes live demo failed spectacular at a
major tech event.
Not only did the first demofail, but his follow-up demo
after he said okay, this isn'tgoing to work, we're going to go
to our second demo.
That one failed also.
So he was like 0 for 2.
And if you're a baseball playerin the Mariners, 0 for 2 is
normally what happens after thefirst two pitches you get.
Tech experts say the AI wasclearly confused and jumped
(51:34):
around due to thousands of Wi-Fisimultaneous connections that
were happening at this tech demo.
Now Zuckerberg's AI glassesdemo failed at the meta event
that they said was going to bepacked with AI information.
Now, the Connect 2025 keynotewas absolutely hilarious and you
(51:54):
need to go watch the videoConnect 2025 keynote See
Zuckerberg on stage going well,it should be doing this.
It shouldn't be doing this.
It should be doing this.
The device that they weretrying to show was the meta
Ray-Ban display, priced at $799.
It's pitched as thebreakthrough in wearable AI
technology, except for if youhave a lot of internet
connections that are trying toconnect to it.
Mike Gorday (52:16):
I guess you don't want to do that.
It certainly was a breakthrough.
Nathan Mumm (52:18):
Yeah well, guess what?
Zuckerberg's two demos failsleft the Meta's new glasses
slightly less polished in frontof the hundreds of people, and
there was laughing and gigglingin people that couldn't believe
it.
Now this is a note for you.
If you notice, apple no longerdoes live presentations at their
keynotes.
They'll have Tim Cook come onout and talk for 30 seconds or
(52:39):
so, then he goes behind thestage and you watch a pre-made
video, so they have totalcontrol over it and you can see
what happens.
Mike Gorday (52:47):
Note to self Is Zuckerberg have total control
over it and you can see whathappens.
Yeah, note to self iszuckerberg gonna take this
advice.
Nathan Mumm (52:52):
Yes, coming on.
Yeah, note to self if you'redoing a live tech demo, in
today's world, there are so manythings that can go wrong.
Even if you've done all thetesting and you've done all this
, you know what?
Get that pre-recorded video.
Show what you're trying to dowith the device, because
nothing's more embarrassing thanstanding on stage saying, oh,
let's try it again, let's try itagain, let's try it again,
let's try it again.
Let's try it again.
Mike Gorday (53:08):
If he's smart, he can turn this around, because
this is a great learningatmosphere.
Nathan Mumm (53:13):
Uh-huh that they've never tested their glasses with
internet Wi-Fi signals thatwould jump around.
Yeah, that's a common thingthat you would have.
Let's now move into our whiskeytasting.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings
.
Let's see what bubbles to thetop all right what do we?
Marc Gregoire (53:34):
have mark.
We are drinking baker's bourbon13 year old, it is 107 proof
150 dollars um I'm really likingthis.
Mike Gorday (53:47):
I am going to give this a thumbs up okay well I'm a
fan of jim beam already, so umthis, this was really good
thoroughly been enjoying thatwas whiskey, chris, and all of
them had a shot at tasting this.
Marc Gregoire (54:00):
No well, I've already saved two ounces for
whiskey, chris.
Okay and uh to my qfc lee.
That supplies us a lot ourbottles.
I've already given him a fewsamples.
Okay, all right?
Nathan Mumm (54:13):
Well, you know what , Mike, we're about out of time.
Mike Gorday (54:16):
No way.
Nathan Mumm (54:17):
Yeah, what are we going to do?
Mike Gorday (54:19):
We're going to.
We're going to say goodbye.
Nathan Mumm (54:21):
We're going to close the show out.
Mike Gorday (54:23):
We'll talk about your.
Nathan Mumm (54:24):
We'll talk about my white fighter, my white Talk
about my what Street fighter?
Wait, what Street fighter?
Street fighter?
No, we're not going to talkabout the street fighter.
We ran out of time.
We want to thank our listenersfor joining the program.
Listeners, we want to hear fromyou, so visit us at
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Each week, we are here todecode the technology that
shapes your world.
One breach, breakthrough andbourbon at a time, from all of
us.
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Welcome to Tech Time Radio with Nathan Mumm.
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The show that makes you go, hmm.
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We welcome our radio audienceof 35 million listeners to an
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Of course, we have our co-host,mike Rodea.
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and fans to enjoy.
Odr producer is not at thecontrol panel today, so that
means, by default, nathan takesover the control panel.
So welcome everyone.
Let's start today's show.
Now on today's show all right ontoday's show.
(01:49):
Of course we have nick espinozajoining the program, so that
will give us some good insightof what's going on.
And we always have our standardfeatures, including mike's
mesmerizing moment, ourtechnology fail the week, a
possible nathan nugget and, ofcourse, our pick of the day
whiskey tasting, to see if ourwhiskey pick gets zero, one or
two thumbs up by the end of theshow.
But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
(02:10):
technology.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Here are our top technology stories of the week.
Nathan Mumm (02:16):
All right Story.
Number one open AIs got adiscount deal coming together
now, so we got a $4 GPT Go plan.
Have you guys heard about this?
This is the new alternativethat I believe will end up
taking over web searches in thefuture.
Mike Gorday (02:34):
It's going to be a GPT Plus plan in two months.
Nathan Mumm (02:36):
Well, there is a GPT Plus and a Pro plan, which
we'll talk about also, sothey're already there too, but
this is a $4 GPTO plan.
Let's go to Lisa Walker formore on this.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
The Go plan was launched as a budget-friendly
subscription at just $4 permonth, giving users access to
advanced AI tools in emergingregions.
Openai could start offeringChatGPT's premium features to
more users worldwide and the USin just a few weeks.
According to OpenAI's currentpricing tiers, chatgpt Go
(03:09):
unlocks access to GPT-5,expanded messaging and uploads
faster image generation andcustom GPTs.
While the features are trimmedcompared to top-tier plans, it
still delivers more than whatthe free tier offers.
Now back to you guys in thestudio.
Nathan Mumm (03:28):
All right, so let's talk about this.
So we have this now is live inIndia and Indonesia.
If you are using the freeversion of ChatGPT, it actually
nudges you to upgrade your freeaccount to this ChatGPT 5 budget
account.
It's only $4.
Now it's not in the UnitedStates yet, but if you go to
(03:49):
their actual pricing plans youalready see USD pricing.
That is listed there, so youknow it's coming out in the next
couple of weeks.
I know Sam Altman has a bigpress release in two weeks from
now, which I would guess wouldbe probably the large
announcement of this eventitself having a browser slash,
mobile slash, cheap version ofChatGPT for $4 a month.
(04:12):
Now, in comparison, we have thePlus plan that you were talking
about.
That's $20 a month, mike.
So with that you get ChatGPT 5with advanced reasoning, you get
the Sora video generation, youget Kodc agents and expanded
deep research wait a second.
Mike Gorday (04:27):
If I pay more money , it will think better uh,
that's that, that's exactly,that's exactly.
Nathan Mumm (04:32):
It's kind of, you know, it's kind of like if you
get uh advice from somebody downat the local grocery store
versus if you get advice fromsomebody in a law firm if I need
a lawyer yeah, so you wouldn'tgo to you wouldn't'm going to
pay my GPT guy to think better.
Well yes, but guess what?
You can also get the pro plan.
So there's the plus, and thepro.
(04:53):
The pro plan sits at $200 amonth.
It unlocks pro-level reasoning,so I mean that must be like.
Speaker 5 (05:00):
That is like your scientist version.
Nathan Mumm (05:02):
Oh my gosh, be like , that is like your scientist
version.
(05:05):
oh my gosh, you got your astronaut version you got your
lawyer version and you got yourlocal checker down at the at the
store available.
Nathan Mumm (05:09):
That's how you delineate your class system
there well, I'm just saying ifyou're doing each of the pro
plans that's, that's amazing.
So four dollars.
Chat gpt pro for four dollars amonth.
That changes your search if Ilive in india well, it's going
to be here in the United States.
Okay, would you pay for this?
Absolutely not.
You would not pay for this.
(05:30):
No.
Mike Gorday (05:31):
Oh man, okay, I'm going to.
I would.
Nathan Mumm (05:33):
I would Absolutely.
Mike Gorday (05:34):
Yeah, I know you would, because you love this
stuff.
Nathan Mumm (05:37):
I do love this stuff.
Mike Gorday (05:38):
I do not like it for certain things, but why
would I pay $20 a month?
Well, you don't have to.
Nathan Mumm (05:45):
You can pay now for the budget plan $4.
Mike Gorday (05:47):
Let's just say that I don't have access to that
budget plan quite yet, right,okay, if I'm paying $20 a month
for something to think for me,what do I need to be around for?
Nathan Mumm (05:58):
Well, you know, you said it, I'm just saying Okay.
Mike Gorday (06:03):
So I have an example.
I have a customer who wrote mea… Nastygram.
No, it's not a complaint letter, but sort of a letter that
lists some complaints aboutwhat's up.
Okay, and she used ChatGPT.
Okay, and she told me she usedChatGPT.
Okay, it was 18 pages long.
(06:31):
Okay, did you have to readthrough?
All of it I no, no, I didn'twhat because?
Because the chat gpt, yeah likedid all these meandering
tangents, tangents that it was.
Just it was.
If I've got to pay 20 bucks tomake it think better for me,
maybe that's why.
Well, you can always use Bing.
Nathan Mumm (06:50):
Microsoft Bing with .
Mike Gorday (06:50):
Copilot, which is available for free.
Nathan Mumm (06:52):
I know you're in a love affair with Bing.
I love Bing.
It's my browser.
Mike Gorday (06:55):
I think you just go around the house going Bing.
Marc Gregoire (06:58):
So, Mike, you have to let her know that you
can type After she gives you the18 pages.
She can type in shorter andit'll actually make it shorter
for her yeah, that's how csacondenses to five pages somebody
how to use something that'ssupposedly thinking for you.
Nathan Mumm (07:11):
Okay, four dollars, it's gonna be, it's gonna be
the biggest hit that's out there, okay.
Mike Gorday (07:15):
I don't understand why this is such a thing.
How is?
Marc Gregoire (07:17):
that different, like if you use the brave
browser, they have uh ai builtinto it yeah.
Do you know what they use forthat?
Nathan Mumm (07:23):
So their AI that they have built into it is.
I believe that's Anthropic.
It's still based on theChromium product that's
available there.
But I believe Brave uses eithertheir version of something.
But I don't believe Because Iuse Brave also and it's not the
same results that I get from mychat GPT results.
It is not so I think.
I think I mean it could be grok, it could be gemini.
(07:47):
With google it could be grokwith elon musk.
Marc Gregoire (07:49):
I don't think so.
It doesn't give me um that typeof response.
It doesn't give you that typeof response okay all right mark
four dollars you're paying itfor.
Nathan Mumm (07:57):
Uh, open ai's search tool.
Are you, are you gonna buy into?
Marc Gregoire (08:00):
that mark well, I'm already on the twenty dollar
plan so would you go down tothe $4?
Nathan Mumm (08:06):
that's exactly.
I'm on the $20 plan too.
Marc Gregoire (08:07):
I'd have to see whether it's pretty good or not
okay, so see he pays for 20bucks.
Nathan Mumm (08:12):
Hallelujah, there you go.
Mike Gorday (08:13):
Hallelujah, that's it sam allman's making money
yeah okay, okay all right, hewill be as soon as he takes a
stupid company public well,that's well.
Nathan Mumm (08:22):
Him and microsoft are working on that, mike by a
$20 plan.
Marc Gregoire (08:25):
it does more work for me and I have more time to
drink whiskey.
Oh there you go.
Nathan Mumm (08:31):
I can't argue with that one Cha-ching.
Mike Gorday (08:35):
There you go.
(08:36):
All right, maybe.
Mike Gorday (08:37):
I just need to do it to talk to my boss.
Is that what you need?
Nathan Mumm (08:40):
Whatever, what the hell was that?
Mike Gorday (08:44):
Pecan, pecan, pecan , tomato, tomato there you go.
Nathan Mumm (08:47):
That's your old clip, see, so I I've had the
control, but I got all your oldclips loaded here.
All right, there you go,there's your own now all right
hooked on phonics work for you.
We got that one too, you likethat works for you, didn't?
Marc Gregoire (09:00):
it works for you, didn't it?
There you go, see all right.
Nathan Mumm (09:02):
next story nathan all right right.
Next story, story number two.
Mike Gorday (09:06):
Story number two is not AI.
Well, it is AI.
Speaker 5 (09:09):
Yeah.
Mike Gorday (09:16):
The victim of one of the first deep fake image
prosecutions in Scotland no less, says she's been left feeling
humiliated and betrayed afterthe man who doctored her
likeness was given a fine likethis was given a fine.
So this person was alerted todeep fake images bearing her
face by a friend.
Colm Brooks of 25, from Glasgow, became one of the first to be
convicted of using AI technologyto create and share deep fake
(09:38):
nude images after admitting theoffense in court last month.
So the woman, sophie, which isnot her real name, told BBC
Scotland that crimes using AIshould have their own
legislation and that penaltiesshould be higher, and the
Scottish government responded bysaying that it is considering
that.
We all know that I have aproblem with defakes.
(10:02):
Yep, as we all should, and isit?
Marc Gregoire (10:07):
because your face has been put on one or because
you want your face put on and ithasn't been done.
Neither, no, okay, neither Imean what's a deep fake right?
It's a fake.
Mike Gorday (10:18):
Fake is a digitally mint manipulated image that
replaces person's likenesseswith uh convincingly with other
images, right?
So it ranges from not only juststill pictures, which is this
particular one where somebodytook the image of a woman that
he knew in high school andplugged in some nudie stuff, all
(10:43):
the way to these videos whereyou see Barack Obama talking
about stuff he never did, andeven, I guess, trump doing it
too.
Just all kinds of stuff.
So we have this very powerfuleffect in the human nature where
, when we see things online oron TV or in in print, we have
(11:07):
this bias towards believing itokay so this you know.
This woman said she washorrified after a friend alerted
her that her face had been puton two of these images, and then
she reported that it wassomebody that she knew from high
school.
And they went to court and allthey got was a fine.
Nathan Mumm (11:34):
So there we go.
So they got a fine.
So what should be done tocorrect this?
Should the guy be?
Mike Gorday (11:41):
put in jail.
Well, you know, and we'retalking about UK- yeah.
So their laws are a littledifferent.
So he admitted to creating thedeep fake of naked images of the
woman he knew in high school,and the sharing of such images
without a person's consent isalready a criminal offense in
the UK.
Marc Gregoire (11:59):
Okay, and so why didn't it fall under that?
Mike Gorday (12:03):
You know, maybe we should ask ChatGPT, because I
don't know.
Nathan Mumm (12:07):
I don't know either , I don't know, I think it's
because it's AI generated.
So he's saying that he didn'tcreate it when I was looking a
little bit in this.
He didn't create it.
The AI created it, so it becamethis kind of this vague, but he
instructed it to use her image.
Marc Gregoire (12:23):
He's partly, yeah , but he instructed it to use
her image.
Nathan Mumm (12:24):
He's partly, he's fully responsible for that.
Marc Gregoire (12:26):
Yeah, he's fully responsible.
Nathan Mumm (12:27):
The AI computer did not just go out and grab a
picture and say we're going tothrow this face on a naked
person.
Marc Gregoire (12:33):
There you go.
So you're absolutely right.
It's like if I took Mike's face, put it on Fabio with the long
blonde hair.
Nathan Mumm (12:39):
Oh, you need to put him on the Russian Putin.
Marc Gregoire (12:46):
You ought to be Putin on the horseback.
On the horseback, that wouldupset me.
It's not like chat gp wouldhave done that on its own.
I'm the one that orchestratedthat, so I would be responsible.
Mike Gorday (12:54):
Yeah yeah well so what?
Nathan Mumm (12:56):
happens when you see ads because I every once in
a while I'm cruising around onthe internet.
You see ads and they come on upwith deep fakes and put
somebody's picture here and youcan add them to anything, right?
So if I put that picture inthere, I mean I use jib jab,
right?
Jib jab is kind of the veryfirst funny little uh cartoons
that you can do.
Your mouth talks.
It's kind of like uh, southpark, uh old school type of deal
(13:18):
and, um, I put people'spictures on there.
Does that mean that you need togive consent to that?
I sent those out at Christmastime with, normally, people from
my company that I'm workingwith.
They're kind of funny, I mean.
So it's kind of this gray areait is a gray area, because we
aren't.
Mike Gorday (13:35):
that's what we're talking about Exactly.
We're talking about consent andnon-consent.
Speaker 5 (13:40):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (13:40):
And something like this is non-consensual, okay,
and something like this isnon-consensual, yeah, and
potentially damaging, okay.
Marc Gregoire (13:47):
Is it?
Mike Gorday (13:47):
a gray area.
Marc Gregoire (13:49):
Because you can do that for your own pleasure to
look, but if you start sendingthat out, I think that's the big
difference, right, I thinkthat's as soon as you start
sharing it out.
Nathan Mumm (13:57):
I mean, if you did it on your own privacy, I don't
know.
Mike Gorday (13:59):
It's essentially the same.
Nathan Mumm (14:00):
Okay, right.
Mike Gorday (14:07):
So if the same, okay, right.
So if I, if I created a deepfake of you, yeah, you know, in
a compromising don't don'twiggle your eyebrows at me buddy
, okay, if I did that, if I putyou on putin on a horse and then
I started sharing it with justuh at least with me of friends
okay that's, that's exactly thesame thing.
Okay, right, you can use myimage anytime I know I'm not
going to okay, all right.
Oh, it's the last person Iwould deepfake would be you, wow
.
Nathan Mumm (14:27):
Okay.
Well, let's go to story numberthree.
That's why we're on the radio,that's right, google nukes.
Mike Gorday (14:32):
Yeah, we have a face for radio, but we do have a
live stream, that's right.
Nathan Mumm (14:35):
Google nukes 224 Android malware apps behind a
massive ad fraud campaign.
We're going to be talking aboutads a lot.
You guys know that I hate ads,right, I hate ads.
Mike Gorday (14:44):
I'm playing for the NFL red zone and I get ads
during my NFL red zone.
Nathan Mumm (14:50):
Oh my word.
Mike Gorday (14:52):
Not until this happens 1,000, 2,000, 1,000,
3,000.
Nathan Mumm (14:56):
My psychologist says that I need to count
backwards.
Massive Android ad fraudoperation, dubbed as Slop Ads,
was distributed over 224malicious applications on the
Google Play Store, whichgenerated $2.3 billion ad
requests per day.
(15:25):
No-transcript, because it didhit the United States with 30%
of the people of the 2.3 billionrequests, 10% on India, 7% on
Brazil, so it was actually nottargeted specifically just at
the United States, but a broadswoop of information.
Now, the slop ads originallythought very what do you say
(15:49):
intelligently on how they didthis?
Because if you actually take alook at these apps and you
download them from the PlayStore, none of these apps are
compromised.
So if you go and you find theapp and you see it in the Google
Play, it meets all thestandards that Google has.
But what happens is, a lot oftimes, in TikTok videos and in
other reels and other areas, youget links to say, hey, go and
(16:12):
download this app, or you getthis through facebook, or even
emails or or text download thisapp.
When you actually, though,clicked on the link, what it did
is it actually downloaded amodule in front of the
application, which was then usedto control and configure
encrypted configuration filesthat contained urls for ad fraud
, malware modules, cash cash outservers and JavaScript payload.
Mike Gorday (16:35):
Okay, all right.
So what you were talking aboutthe other day in our production
meeting was that you're prettysure that pretty much everybody
has something on their Androidphone.
Nathan Mumm (16:45):
Yes, I believe almost everybody has AdWord on
their Android phone.
Mike Gorday (16:49):
All right.
So how do you get it off?
Nathan Mumm (16:51):
There's tools to get it off.
Do you have Malwarebytes loadedon your phone?
Mike Gorday (16:55):
What is Malwarebytes?
Nathan Mumm (16:57):
Malwarebytes is an application you can load on your
phone Android, iphone.
It's a free version or abusiness version.
It'll actually go through andscan and take a look if you have
any of those compromised ads.
There's a couple other tools,but I like Malwarebytes right,
like malware bites right now,just because they they haven't
kind of sold out in my opinionas some of these others.
But if you actually scan andrun that, you'll probably find
(17:17):
out that you are compromised andhave two or three items on
there.
You know what mike ask nickwhen nick is on the show, how he
feels about android devices,because I think almost
everyone's been compromised.
I have an android phone and Ihave to run it because I won't
even download stuff and I'll seeNFL scores, I'll see this or
see something come up, and thenI'll say my phone starts running
(17:38):
really, really slow again.
And then I go and I search onit and boom, it's got stuff.
Mike Gorday (17:42):
Well, I have a question that you may not have
the answer to, but maybe it'llget to the Android folks.
Okay, why doesn't Android putsome anti-malware stuff on their
phone in the first?
Nathan Mumm (17:54):
place.
Well, I think if you have likea verizon plan, they say that
they come with their verizonprotect and they charge you like
nine bucks a month for it.
T-mobile has a protection plan.
Uh, because you can jailbreakthese devices, you can go into
the kernel and do differentstuff.
It's because it's a minicomputer that android isn't as
well adapted as, I would say,apple in their iOS to make sure
(18:15):
that those things are taken careof.
You know what?
Let's ask.
You ask Nick that okay, Mike.
Marc Gregoire (18:19):
I don't know if it's well adapted versus iPhone
is more closed architecture,Okay All right.
Mike Gorday (18:24):
So I just looked at Malwarebytes.
You have to do a freesubscription for seven days.
Nathan Mumm (18:32):
Yes, you do, yes, you do, yes, you do.
Mike Gorday (18:34):
Is there anyone that works that you don't have
to try?
Nathan Mumm (18:36):
That's the only one I would try.
Marc Gregoire (18:39):
There's ones that you don't have to pay for, Mike
, but they have malware in them.
Nathan Mumm (18:42):
Yeah, they have malware in them.
You can download a free VPNservice anytime you want.
Mike Gorday (18:46):
All right.
Nathan Mumm (18:47):
Well, that ends our top technology stories of the
week.
When we return, we have NickEspinoza from Security Fanatics.
He's going to be joining theshow.
We're going to ask him thatAndroid question and he's going
to expose some scams inadvertising.
You'll find that out.
Next You're listening to TechTime with Nathan Mumm.
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Nathan Mumm (19:52):
All right, welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan
Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without any
political agenda.
We do it by verifying the facts, with a little sense of humor
and, of course, with a littlewhiskey on the side.
Now, Mark Gregoire, I'm so gladto see you back in the studio.
All right, it's been a while.
I didn't know if it was my badBO that was causing you to drift
(20:13):
away or other things, but I'mglad you're back.
Acknowledge the BO dude.
Marc Gregoire (20:18):
Well, you know all nerdy people normally have a
little bit of no, because thenyou'll stop hugging me.
Mike Gorday (20:23):
That's right.
Okay, I'm sorry, I didn't meanto get into the really super
personal stuff, our littlebromance.
Nathan Mumm (20:30):
All right, mark, what have you chosen for us
today?
Marc Gregoire (20:33):
Today we're drinking Baker's Bourbon
13-year-old, limited editionsingle barrel.
This is the 2025 release.
Okay Now, from Beam's website,this extra age expression
explores how time and locationin the warehouse drives
distinction from barrel tobarrel.
While the notes of every barrelof Baker's offers a unique
(20:53):
tasting journey, you can expecta few defining characteristics
Fruit, vanilla and caramel onthe nose, medium-bodied in
flavors of oak, toasted nutswith vanilla and fruity notes,
with a finish that is robust,medium-long and warmly rounded.
Mike Gorday (21:09):
Oh, very nice.
Marc Gregoire (21:15):
Now for those whiskey nerds out there.
This particular um barrel iszero zero, zero, two, seven,
eight, two, one, three.
So if you have that number,you're drinking the same barrel
as us oh, how many barrels doyou think are out there?
I have no idea.
Nathan Mumm (21:25):
Okay, so there's like one big, large bat, because
I know I have a friend thatdoes wine.
Marc Gregoire (21:30):
Each barrel, depending on the yield, probably
gives about 200 bottles.
Speaker 5 (21:35):
I'd say on average.
I was going to say that.
Marc Gregoire (21:37):
If they have 15,000 bottles across the US.
You do the math.
Okay, All right.
Mike Gorday (21:43):
All right.
So I scanned my phone withmalware bytes.
Yeah, how many threats do youthink I have?
Nathan Mumm (21:50):
You're very excited about this, so it must be zero.
Mike Gorday (21:53):
It is zero.
Okay, all right zero threatsdetected.
Nathan Mumm (21:56):
Okay, okay, well, good job.
So we'll have to take a look atwhat nick comes on next to do
that.
How about the whiskey?
What is your taste on thewhiskey there?
Zero threats on the on thewhiskey also.
Marc Gregoire (22:05):
Yes, okay, threats well, he doesn't know
about the whiskey yet, so let metell you, mike, so you can be
more excited.
This is from beam cent Centauri.
It's from the Jim BeamDistillery in Claremont,
kentucky.
It's a straight bourbon age 13years old.
It's 107 proof.
The mash bill is 77% corn, 13%rye and 10% malted barley In
(22:26):
this bottle.
Msrp is around $150.
Mike Gorday (22:32):
Very nice Because they give you a beautiful cork.
Look at that cork.
That's.
Srp is around $150.
Marc Gregoire (22:35):
Very nice Because they give you a beautiful cork.
Look at that cork.
That's a Nathan cork.
That's a cork.
That's a Nathan cork.
That is a cork.
Nathan Mumm (22:39):
I liked it from the very first sip and it's got a
lingering little taste.
I like it a lot.
Mike Gorday (22:44):
All right, that's called a finish buddy.
Marc Gregoire (22:50):
That is a finish Don tips.
I like that.
Nathan Mumm (22:53):
Tip us now, because that way we can put 25K of it I
listened to last week.
Marc Gregoire (22:56):
Did you listen to the show last week?
I listened to your show.
(22:59):
Give us tips.
Marc Gregoire (23:00):
Now drink responsibly.
Heaven can wait, all right.
Nathan Mumm (23:04):
Thank you so much, Mark.
I love seeing you back in this.
Mike Gorday (23:08):
What if heaven can't wait?
I think he can wait, all right.
Nathan Mumm (23:11):
Well, with our whiskey tasting completed, let's
move on to our feature segment.
Today, our technology expert,nick Espadosa, is joining the
show.
Nick is an expert incybersecurity and network
infrastructure.
He's consulted with clientsranging from small business to
the Fortune 100 level.
In 1998, at the age of 19, nickfounded Windy City Networks,
which he later acquired in 2015,which was acquired in 2015.
(23:34):
He then created SecurityFanatics, where he serves as the
chief security fanatic today.
Let's get ready to start ournext segment.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Welcome to the segment we call Ask the Experts
With our tech time radio expert,Nick Espinoza.
Nathan Mumm (23:52):
All right, Nick, welcome back to the show.
Tell everybody a little bitabout yourself.
Nick Espinosa (23:57):
Yeah, yeah, nick Espinoza, chief Security Fanatic
of Security Fanatics.
Hi Nick, hey guys, how youdoing?
And always happy to be here,always happy to hang out.
Marc Gregoire (24:06):
Are you drinking anything today, Nick?
Nick Espinosa (24:11):
No, just nursing a headache.
Nathan Mumm (24:15):
Oh, nursing a headache.
Nick Espinosa (24:16):
There's a headache, it's the season.
What are you gonna do all?
Nathan Mumm (24:18):
right, all right, nick, let's ask you the android
question.
Do you think most androidphones are compromised?
Nick Espinosa (24:24):
so the android question, I think, is actually a
really interesting one, in thesense that android can be both
super secure, way more securethan an iPhone, and it can be
way less secure than an AppleiPhone as well, and it really
depends on the maker, the junkthey load on it, and also the
user if they know what tools,technologies to put on, if
(24:47):
they're using, basically like ahardening guide.
So we use actually what issomething called a STIG or
Security TechnicalImplementation Guide that is put
out by the Department ofDefense, and they have one for
Samsung, android, google Android, motorola Android, et cetera,
even iPhones, and it is a reallygood checklist to go down and
really start hardening a lot ofthe different settings and
controls that you have in amobile phone, because, to your
(25:09):
point, it is just a computer,right, it just happens to be in
your pocket and you happen to beable to make phone calls with
it too.
So, no, I don't have anymalware.
For the record, I also do notuse Malwarebytes.
I use Bitdefender and they arein the top three consistently on
AV tests, which is out ofGermany that test these things
(25:30):
pretty much monthly forantiviral solutions specifically
for Android, and they do, forthe record, have a free version
that will not make you pay.
Nathan Mumm (25:37):
All right, nick, let's move on.
We love Ferris Bueller's DayOff, right?
So Ferris hacks into his gradesand makes changes in a most
impossible way ever, but back inthe day, you know, you didn't
know that.
So you're like, oh, that's socool, ferris Bueller did this,
but we now have this becoming aserious problem, specifically in
the UK.
What is going on with thisright now?
Nick Espinosa (26:00):
Yes and Nathan, for the record, if any of you
guys ever come to Chicago we cando the Ferris Bueller tour.
(26:05):
OK.
Nick Espinosa (26:06):
You can see all the places that the gang was at.
But, yes, this is a fun one and, quite frankly, I think it's a
little nuts.
But the ICO, or InformationCommissioner's Office in the UK,
basically put out a report thatsaid 57% of insider attacks at,
like universities and whatnot,are the actual students figuring
out how to get into stuff.
(26:27):
Now, I don't know if thatnumber is necessarily true or
not, but they say since 2022,that essentially has been the
issue.
They looked at 215 incidents inschools, colleges, universities
and all that kind of stuff, andso this actually is a big issue
.
Right, because students aretrying to innovate and this was
me at 14, right, I was basicallywell, my school ran Novell
(26:49):
NetWare and had AOL dial-up, sothat was easy to get into.
But the point is that I thinkpersonally they should be
getting training.
There is obviously some kind ofinspiration here, some kind of
requisite knowledge, some kindof curiosity that if the UK
school system, or any schoolsystem, was smart about, they'd
actually start fostering thiskind of education and say, hey,
(27:13):
there's something here, let'sput them through these kinds of
classes, get them educated insecurity.
On top of it, give them moralsand ethics classes so they don't
go the wrong way.
But I think overarchingly thisis really interesting.
But I think it also shows thatthe kids aren't just sitting on
the couch scrolling throughvideos.
There's an actual aptitude herethat if we ignore I think it's
(27:35):
to our detriment in thecybersecurity field.
Nathan Mumm (27:39):
Yeah, I totally hear you.
So let me ask you the nextthing.
We talked about the Androidhack, right?
Yeah, all right.
So now let's talk about what iscoming up with all these ads.
Every company is doing more andmore and more ads.
What can we do to figure out away that we don't have all of
(27:59):
these ads that are available andwhat's going on?
Mike Gorday (28:02):
Throw your phone away.
Nick Espinosa (28:05):
So I literally just did a video the other day
basically stating we're nevergoing to get rid of ads.
We were never going to get it.
They are trying to monetizeabsolutely everything.
You know.
Even I promise you MarkZuckerberg's new glasses and all
that.
(28:19):
We're going to be talking about our technology fail.
Nathan Mumm (28:22):
What a perfect, what a perfect fail.
Online Right.
Nick Espinosa (28:25):
Okay, I didn't want to, I blew it, I guess,
sorry but keep on telling usmore ads it's all right, but but
yeah, I mean.
So if you look at it, we haveads coming in Windows 11 now.
Nathan Mumm (28:34):
A Windows 11, an operating system?
Yeah, yeah, so explain this tome.
So I pay for Windows 11, right?
Well, actually, what's reallyinteresting is I don't have to
pay for Windows 11 becauseWindows 10 is going to be around
now for another three yearswith security updates, and then
after that it'll be around foranother three years because
they've made promises to peoplethat it was the last operating
system which they're in troublewith.
(28:56):
But if you do upgrade toWindows 11, I pay for that
operating system to upgrade.
I pay to have that running onmy system.
You're telling me I'm going toget ads in this.
Nick Espinosa (29:06):
Yeah, so here's the interesting part about this.
So if you have a Microsoft 365subscription with Windows 11 and
they really, really want you tohave that, right.
Essentially, as it starts to endright, you're coming up to that
period you may start seeingfull screen ads in Windows 11.
And so this is essentially whathappened.
(29:27):
On September 12th, like thispast Friday, like a week ago,
microsoft basically released apreview build.
These are the builds thatjournalists get, that IT teams
get, that developers get, so wecan kind of see what's coming in
Windows, and it containssomething called a Scoob, which
is a second chance out-of-boxexperience, a second chance up
(29:50):
out of box experience.
So so that's basically what itis.
It's a full screen thing youcan't get away from unless you
interact with it, and it's therejust to nag you essentially to
to buy microsoft stuff or torenew microsoft stuff so I
actually have that on my office365 a lot of lawsuits coming
down, the down the I have an ad
Nathan Mumm (30:07):
that popped up.
I have windows 11.
This actually happened to me.
So this is exactly office 365on an account.
I shut it down and so whathappened is when I relaunched
that pc, it said hey, you knowwhat?
You don't have a current activelicense.
Do you know what I got in theos at the very bottom of the bar
.
It actually came from thebottom of the bar, loaded up,
(30:27):
and it says you need to now orthese are your three options you
can do the cloud version, youcan do this, you can do this.
And I could not get out.
There was no X button to getrid of it either.
So I'm like what I all tabbedover to try to get rid of it.
I got so mad at it I had torestart the machine to have it
take it.
I could.
I'm on the earlier build, so Ido have my Windows Update
(30:47):
settings set to get early buildsinstead of just the release
builds that were out there.
But was that the actual service, nick, that I actually saw?
Nick Espinosa (30:57):
So it might be so from Microsoft, and this is
directly their release notes,and I quote Microsoft right now,
we're introducing a simplereminder that appears as a scoop
screen to let you know thatyour Microsoft subscription
needs attention.
For example, if renewal paymentdidn't go through, in just a
few clicks you can review andupdate your payment method and
keep your subscription benefitsuninterrupted.
(31:18):
So, yes, you're going to haveto click through things.
Even if you're like, say, youknow what I'm going open source
for GetMicrosoftOffice, I don'twant these annoying ads, they're
going to give them to you, sothis isn't cool.
Now, to be fair to Microsoft,this is a preview build right so
they might get feedback.
You know, to Mike's point, theymight get sued and this goes
(31:39):
away, but this is what we'reseeing over and over and over
from every company.
I mean not to throw Microsoftunder the bus here.
We should throw all of themunder the bus, and that's the
name of the game, right?
Advertising is the core of theinternet and why the Facebooks
of the world are free.
Nathan Mumm (31:56):
Okay, so I have Alexa device.
Do you understand?
Alexa device now runscommercials and when I ask it to
play something I'll say likeplay my music.
It gives me a 15 secondcommercial before it plays my
music.
I paid for that freaking Alexadevice.
I have it hooked up to myfreaking thing.
Why is?
Marc Gregoire (32:11):
it when I Is he bitching?
Yeah, he paid for the device,but you didn't pay for the
subscription.
Nathan Mumm (32:16):
The subscription service is a part of when you
buy the device itself.
Marc Gregoire (32:19):
I shouldn't say, play my favorite 80s music and
then get a 15-second ad.
Nathan Mumm (32:25):
I'm not paying for Spotify.
Mike Gorday (32:30):
It's not a Spotify service.
It's the same thing as watchingsomething on Prime Video now
and you have to sit throughthree minutes of commercials
before you see the damn show.
Nick Espinosa (32:36):
Or you pay Amazon a few dollars more a month and
they'll get rid of it.
The lock screen on a Kindle isan advertisement.
Unless you pay Amazon like 20,30 bucks, you can pay for a
YouTube premium subscription andyou still get ads.
Mike Gorday (32:51):
At some point, somebody's going to figure out
that this is extortion andthey're going to do something
about it.
Nathan Mumm (32:56):
Really.
So I keep on looking.
So here's what we need tocreate.
We need to create a lawsuitagainst technology companies
that are class action.
Just one website that everybodycan get involved in because you
have the Google payouts.
You have these payouts.
There's no way to ever find allthis information, unless you're
like a real tech nerdy likemyself and go through.
There should be a website thathas every class action against
(33:18):
technology sites that everybodycan sign up for.
Marc Gregoire (33:21):
Sure, you know all the technology companies
would actually like that.
I don't think they reallyprefer to run ads or doing that,
because they offer it for free,because Americans don't want to
pay additional costs.
If you pass that law, then theyhave the right and everybody
starts doing the plus model tocharge you and then you're going
to get everybody complaining.
All right Charge now you'regoing to move to a different
(33:42):
platform.
Nick Espinosa (33:44):
But I think Nathan's right.
I mean, one of my many day jobsis I occasionally lecture at
law schools like Loyola LawSchool down in Chicago and got
into a really interesting debateabout this that when you have
essentially a legal system liketoday's Congress that can't even
vote on what to have for lunch,class action lawsuits are one
of those ways that actuallyshape and craft law, because all
(34:05):
the other companies like if wesue microsoft for this, google
then sees it and says, oh, weshouldn't do that either.
Right, so so there is guidancefor that, you know, in due to
class action lawsuits.
Now, that said, you know if wehave a billion dollar class
action lawsuit, we're getting 30and our lawyers are getting 500
million.
Mike Gorday (34:23):
Yeah, I just got a.
I just got a 30 payout from thefacebook thing, like five years
ago, yeah, so nick.
Marc Gregoire (34:29):
I agree with you about class action.
Lawsuits are a way that, asindividuals, what we can move
the needle.
But do we want to move thisneedle?
I think is more of the debate.
We don't want ads, but we alsodon't want to pay for
subscriptions.
Well, that's true.
Nick Espinosa (34:44):
Yeah, but I think there's a balance to be made
there, and if you are paying for, let's say, a premium service,
you're paying for that privilege.
Then ads should be removed,exactly.
But that's the thing.
So you go on YouTube and thenyou're listening to somebody and
they say, oh, and, by the way,buy this protein shake, and blah
, blah, blah.
Well, dude, it's not anofficial ad, but you're
(35:06):
literally advertising tosomething that I'm listening to
in an ad break and and thegoogle sensors don't pick it up
on youtube, right?
Marc Gregoire (35:13):
no, but that's how those, those guys get paid.
Nick Espinosa (35:15):
Yeah, okay, I get that I get that at the same
token, though, you're alsomonetized through youtube.
Right, you have enoughsubscribers, youtube starts
paying you for that well youknow, now you need tips.
Nathan Mumm (35:27):
Now you need tips because now they're taking them
there's a balance theresomewhere.
Nick Espinosa (35:30):
We just, we just everybody's suing everybody.
I mean we live in the unitedstates that's right.
Nathan Mumm (35:35):
All right, the last thing.
So we're not going to get toour our very last, last question
, which would admit we're gonnahave to come back, and we'll do
that as a teaser for next timeyou're on.
But let's talk about samsung.
Mike Gorday (35:43):
Okay, so we just picked on somebody else, why are
are you bagging on Samsung?
Nathan Mumm (35:47):
Well, you know what , nick?
Tell me.
What is Samsung deciding to dospecifically with ads?
Nick Espinosa (35:53):
Yeah, so that video I put out on YouTube and
please subscribe.
I need the money.
No, okay, basically, whatSamsung is doing and this drives
me up a wall, but it's why Idid the video of We'll Never
Escape Ads is, if you havesamsung refrigerator with that
really cool lcd panel, they'renow putting ads on those as well
.
So here we are your, yourfridge is going to advertise for
(36:15):
you.
And, interestingly enough, ifyou want to talk about samsung
android phones as well because Ihave samsung androids and a
couple of other phones as well,we have all types of phones here
.
I now in the newer releases ofandroid on sam, where you have
the notification bar like oh,you have a text, you have this.
I'm now getting Samsung ads onthose as well.
Marc Gregoire (36:35):
So, so, so yeah.
Nick Espinosa (36:36):
Samsung is going all in.
Marc Gregoire (36:38):
All right.
So once my fridge starts doingads, that's it.
We're breaking up.
Mike Gorday (36:43):
We're not dating anymore.
Nathan Mumm (36:51):
I'm just glad that I'm so old that I'm looking at
the the door out of the frigidhair.
The simple one, all right.
So you know what?
Let's go real quick.
There's a new study coming outof cambridge that says ai is
helping with child development.
Nick, in two minutes, give uswhat is going on here and how is
ai helping all of our childdevelopment.
Nick Espinosa (37:09):
Yeah, yeah.
So the questions that theseresearchers are asking are
awesome, like do AI toys affirmlove and friendship to a child
and what does that mean for achild's human relationships?
In other words, the AI doesn'thave emotion, but can it be
friendly?
But that's not the same ashuman interaction.
Do AI toys share children'sconversations with parents or
even third parties?
And so what does that look likefor a child's right to privacy?
(37:31):
And if the child knowseverything is being recorded, it
fundamentally changes theirconcept of privacy.
Like all these different kindsof questions are being asked.
I'm calling it now that if AI isbasically introduced in a
childhood development, it'sgoing to fundamentally alter how
we develop as humans, and Mikeprobably can answer that more
effectively given his background.
But the point is is these arethe kinds of things that we have
(37:53):
to longitudinally look at,because AI is getting integrated
into everything.
And if you've got kids wherethe parents are completely
ignoring them but they have anAI teddy bear or whatever,
that's a fundamental shift andnot just parenting but childhood
development, and I think it'squite frankly, that's a little
scary.
Mike Gorday (38:09):
It's a lot of scary .
It's a lot of scary.
It's not just a little, it's alot, all right.
Nick Espinosa (38:14):
Yeah, you'd know better.
Nathan Mumm (38:15):
All right, well, you know what, maybe Mike's
mesmerizing moment we willdiscuss.
I already know you're going toask me Unpack this a little bit
more.
All right, nick, on the show,it's always a pleasure to talk
with us.
Please tell how listeners canconnect with you outside the
show and tip you.
That's right, we always wanttips now, since you can write
these up.
Nick Espinosa (38:34):
You can send money to the Save the Nick
Foundation.
No, please.
You can like share.
Follow me Facebook, twitter,linkedin.
Slash Nick Espinoza or slashNick.
Marc Gregoire (38:45):
AESP.
Nick Espinosa (38:45):
Blue Sky as well for the preview there.
Nathan Mumm (38:49):
All right, nick we thank you so much for being a
part of our show.
Thanks guys.
All right, we always lovehaving Nick on the show.
He helps us immensely with allof our technology items.
Mike Gorday (39:01):
And drinking.
Nathan Mumm (39:02):
You like him drinking too.
Mike Gorday (39:04):
Every time I talk to Nick I drink more.
All right, you're welcome.
That ends our segment.
Ask the Expert with Nick Everytime.
Nick Espinosa (39:08):
I talk to Nick, I drink more All right, all right
.
Nathan Mumm (39:09):
You're welcome, All right.
Well, that ends our segment.
Ask the Expert with Nick Up.
Now we have Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
Welcome to Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
What does Mike have to saytoday?
All right, Mike, should AI be apart of child development?
Mike Gorday (39:29):
No.
Nathan Mumm (39:30):
What Explain that to me?
Why are you saying that I'm in?
Marc Gregoire (39:34):
disagreement here .
Okay.
Mike Gorday (39:36):
Mark says yes, let's hear Mark.
Okay, mark, what's your take on?
Marc Gregoire (39:41):
this Because I don't think it's an absolute.
Yes, I don't think it's anabsolute.
No, ai is going to be here, soI like what Nick talked about,
how they're studying it and wecan put safeguards around it.
It's going to come, so let's doit in the most integrative,
productive way.
I don't agree that it shouldtake the place of parents, but
that's what's happening.
That is a problem.
(40:01):
I agree with you that it's aproblem.
Mike Gorday (40:03):
This is a smaller addition to a greater problem,
because we've already done that.
We've already given our kidsover to, uh, different forms of
childhood development.
We're giving kids phones whenthey're like five years old,
okay, and they're becomingscreen junkies, yeah, and and
why?
Why is that a good thing forparents?
(40:24):
Because they don't have to.
Nathan Mumm (40:25):
It's like when it's like, it's like a babysitter,
it's you don't have to payattention to like when it's like
, it's like a babysitter it'syou don't have to pay attention
to your kid.
I was at a restaurant.
It is.
That's exactly throw a tabletthere and say, kid, I'm not
going to talk to you.
Mike Gorday (40:35):
That's right.
And so we've already used thistechnology and our technological
innovations to decrease theamount of interactions that
we're getting with with peopleand not just people, but
children and so we're justadding this new piece instead of
saying, oh, here's a phone,here's like, uh teddy from the
(40:57):
movie ai okay, teddy okay right,that was.
That was.
That was cool.
He was like this teddy bearthat how about teddy ruxpin?
Nathan Mumm (41:04):
was that ai?
Mike Gorday (41:05):
no, that was an ai, that was, that was an
animatronic okay, okay, but ithad a cassette tape, it had a
cassette tape, but it was.
That's sort of the I guess, theproto-vision of what we're
looking at here.
We're looking at AI toys thatare going to interact with your
child.
It's like the stupid robotsthat interact with people.
Marc Gregoire (41:28):
In the old folks' homes.
Mike Gorday (41:30):
You know that that's it's.
It's not human development, itis human replacement okay, and
because, we anthropomorphizethings.
We're going to start havingpair relationships with these
items such that they're going tostart replacing they're already
replacing legitimate humaninteractions, Okay.
(41:53):
And we're seeing it just withthese dating AIs, where these
guys are going on apps to datesomething that doesn't exist
because the app gives themautomatic positive regard all
the time.
Okay.
Marc Gregoire (42:10):
So in that we're in 100% agreement.
I wouldn't want AI inchildren's toys to replace the
parenting yeah, now to go backto my original.
Mike Gorday (42:20):
No, there's always benefits to the tool.
Okay, but it depends on how thetool is used Absolutely.
Marc Gregoire (42:32):
Makes sense.
Nathan Mumm (42:33):
All right, thank you, mike, for that mesmerizing
moment.
Up next we have this Week inTechnology, so now would be a
great time to enjoy a littlewhiskey on the side, as we will
be doing so during the break.
You're listening to Tech TimeRadio with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes.
Hey, mike, yeah what's up?
Mike Gorday (42:50):
Hey, so you know what.
We need people to start likingour social media pages If you
like our show, if you reallylike us we could use your
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(42:56):
Is it Patreon?
I think it's Patreon, Okay.
Patreon If you really like usyou can like us in Patreoncom
and you say I'm the English guy.
I butcher the English language.
You know, you butcher theEnglish language all the time.
Nathan Mumm (43:07):
It's patreoncom.
(43:08):
Patreoncom.
If you really like our show,you can subscribe to patreoncom
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You know, the one thatZuckerberg owns, the one that we
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Yeah, we're on Facebook too.
Yeah, like us on Facebook.
Do you know what our Facebookpage is?
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Mike Gorday (43:28):
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Nathan Mumm (43:58):
And now let's look back at this week in technology.
All right, this week intechnology we're going to
September 24th, 1979.
Compuserve launches the firstconsumer-orientated online
information service, which theycalled Micronet.
Now, this marked the first timea consumer had access to
services such as email.
The service was not favoredinternally within the
(44:19):
business-orientated space, butCompuServe became the service
that was such a hit that it wasrenamed CompuServe Information
Service, or CIS, and became aconsumer heaven.
By the mid-1980s, compuservewas the largest consumer
information service in the world, and half of the revenue came
(44:41):
from CIS.
In 1989, though, compuserveconnected its proprietary email
system to this thing called theinternet, and then email took
off, making it the firstcommercial internet service
available to send email.
However, compuserve did notcompete well with this other
company called America Online orindependent internet service
(45:02):
providers that were all acrossthe world in the 1990s, and it
soon lost its dominant marketposition.
Do you remember CompuServeUh-huh Mark.
Market position?
You remember compu serve uh-huhmark do you?
remember compu serve?
Oh yeah, all right, that was apretty good service, but you
know what?
It did not send out a hundredthousand million, trillion cds
in every single thing likeamerica online did that,
(45:24):
understood.
It wasn't about service and itwasn't about what you had.
It was about, uh, hitting themarket with everything, free for
hours.
Now back then you had to payfor an internet service provider
.
Now the internet, you get itfrom a Comcast or a large
distributor.
Mike Gorday (45:40):
That you still pay for.
You're still paying for it.
You still pay for it A lot more.
Nathan Mumm (45:44):
But you actually got services back then so they
actually created stories, news,information for you.
So when you would actually dialinto these services, they would
give you kind of the news ofthe day, cause they didn't have
the CNNs online or the MSNBCsonline.
This is where you got your newsand your fast breaking
information of what was going on.
Marc Gregoire (46:04):
I'm curious Did you use AOL or Mike?
Did any of you have an idea?
I did not.
Did you use AOL?
Nathan Mumm (46:08):
or Mike.
Did any of you have an AOL?
I did not.
I did, I used AOL for a bit.
Mike Gorday (46:12):
I used the disks.
Did you?
Yeah, I used to make things outof them and throw them at my
kids.
Nathan Mumm (46:18):
Did you put them in your microwave?
Marc Gregoire (46:20):
I never put them in my microwave.
You're the only one that usedAOL.
Nathan Mumm (46:23):
I did use AOL for a bit, but then I went to an
internet service provider thatwas local and it was a little
bit better.
Mike Gorday (46:28):
I use a local ISP.
I still have my original ISPemail.
Yeah yeah, I still pay for itevery year.
Nathan Mumm (46:38):
Remember Blue Light came on out.
Kmart had its Blue Lightservice that was available, and
then they had Juno and they hadall these other services across.
Alright, well, that was thisweek in technology.
We could spend seven hourstalking about what it used to be
back in the olden days.
But if you want to see someTech Time history, you can visit
us online at techtimeradiocomand watch our older podcast
video and blog information.
(46:59):
We're going to take acommercial break.
When we return, we have ourMark Mumble Whiskey Review.
See you after this.
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mark's whiskey mumble all right,I'm excited all right, so am I.
Nathan Mumm (47:44):
What do we got?
Marc Gregoire (47:45):
number 23rd.
So mike made a nice commentlast week that I listened to,
where he said when I tie in thewhiskey to the day, that I'm
very innovative about it, unlikeNathan's pairing.
Nathan Mumm (47:55):
So I appreciate that oh wow.
Marc Gregoire (47:57):
Unfortunately, Mike, I might let you down today
.
It's very basic today.
You can probably even guesswhat today is.
Today is I have a headache day.
No no no, it ties to ourwhiskey.
Nathan Mumm (48:09):
Oh, bakers, is it like a?
Mike Gorday (48:10):
baker's dozen National Baker's Day.
Marc Gregoire (48:12):
Bingo National Baker Day.
Way to go.
Baker is an old English origin.
The word bake on, but not C-O-N, it's C-A-N, which means to dry
by heat, that is, to bake.
It originated before the 8thcentury.
It was primarily used as anoccupational name for people who
(48:34):
bake bread or bricks.
So the popular belief is thatthe name was used to refer to
the owner of a communal oven whowas in charge of it for a
village.
Okay, now, with that, we aredrinking today Baker's
13-year-old bourbon, which isnamed for Baker Beam, the
truck-driving, motorcycle-ridinggrandnephew of the legendary
(48:56):
Jim Beam, with each bottle froma single barrel.
Baker's 13-year-old is,unapologetically, man, I can't
pronounce.
I am not unapologetically.
Nathan Mumm (49:05):
You're Nathan, what ?
Nathan said it I'm here to helpyou out.
Marc Gregoire (49:10):
I finished my glass of whiskey and I am
stumbling.
You are Nathan Pecan pecantomato, tomato.
Mike Gorday (49:15):
There you go, that's right.
Marc Gregoire (49:17):
Now, I do not usually drink bean products as I
find their peanut profile toooverwhelming, getting into
peanut butter, which I don'tcare for Really.
Mike Gorday (49:27):
No, screwball peanut whiskey.
Screwball peanut butter whiskey.
Marc Gregoire (49:30):
So when I go into a liquor store and I see
screwball on the top shelf, Iwalk out immediately.
Wow, Now Baker's 13.
(49:36):
So much hate.
Marc Gregoire (49:39):
I got it all built in.
(49:40):
I haven't been here for a few months, I guess so I get you
Okay.
Marc Gregoire (49:42):
Baker's 13 is an exception.
It is a focused single barrelbourbon that leans into warm oak
, lots of sugar and caramel withjust a hint of nuttiness.
The dry rice spice keeps theprofile from feeling overly
sweet or muddled.
The finish is long, slightlytannic and quietly spiced it
(50:02):
rewards a slow, neat pour.
Nathan Mumm (50:04):
Okay, I like it All right, anything else to say
there, mike, no, okay, you knowwhat guys?
Marc Gregoire (50:10):
Mike has else to say there, mike, no, okay, you
know what guys?
Mike Gorday (50:12):
Mike has nothing to say because his glass is empty,
my glass is yeah.
Nathan Mumm (50:14):
Whiskey and technology are such a great
pairing, kind of like theMariners baseball team trying to
get into the postseason.
Mike Gorday (50:20):
You never know if it's going to happen.
How is that a pairing?
Nathan Mumm (50:25):
That's the end of the season for baseball.
Theattle mariners never have agood enough team to just be
ahead of it.
They always have to come intothe last two, three, four games
and try to win it at the lastseries I think this is you
trying to be innovative um, thisis just me being saying what
whiskey and technology are likea great pairing.
It's like copy and paste, is itokay?
You love that one, you lovethat.
Mike Gorday (50:46):
You know that's an easy, that's an easy, that's an
easy.
Nathan Mumm (50:47):
I can't say that every week.
No, no.
Mike Gorday (50:50):
But you don't have to go way into Mariners trying
to get into the blah blah.
Nathan Mumm (50:55):
All right, let's move on to our technology fail
of the week.
Congratulations, you're afailure.
Speaker 5 (51:01):
Oh, I failed.
Did I yes, did I yes.
Nathan Mumm (51:06):
All right.
Technology fail is coming fromyour buddy, Mark.
(51:10):
Zuckerberg yes, we had a field day with this one, his.
Nathan Mumm (51:13):
AI classes live demo failed spectacular at a
major tech event.
Not only did the first demofail, but his follow-up demo
after he said okay, this isn'tgoing to work, we're going to go
to our second demo.
That one failed also.
So he was like 0 for 2.
And if you're a baseball playerin the Mariners, 0 for 2 is
normally what happens after thefirst two pitches you get.
Tech experts say the AI wasclearly confused and jumped
(51:34):
around due to thousands of Wi-Fisimultaneous connections that
were happening at this tech demo.
Now Zuckerberg's AI glassesdemo failed at the meta event
that they said was going to bepacked with AI information.
Now, the Connect 2025 keynotewas absolutely hilarious and you
(51:54):
need to go watch the videoConnect 2025 keynote See
Zuckerberg on stage going well,it should be doing this.
It shouldn't be doing this.
It should be doing this.
The device that they weretrying to show was the meta
Ray-Ban display, priced at $799.
It's pitched as thebreakthrough in wearable AI
technology, except for if youhave a lot of internet
connections that are trying toconnect to it.
Mike Gorday (52:16):
I guess you don't want to do that.
It certainly was a breakthrough.
Nathan Mumm (52:18):
Yeah well, guess what?
Zuckerberg's two demos failsleft the Meta's new glasses
slightly less polished in frontof the hundreds of people, and
there was laughing and gigglingin people that couldn't believe
it.
Now this is a note for you.
If you notice, apple no longerdoes live presentations at their
keynotes.
They'll have Tim Cook come onout and talk for 30 seconds or
(52:39):
so, then he goes behind thestage and you watch a pre-made
video, so they have totalcontrol over it and you can see
what happens.
Mike Gorday (52:47):
Note to self Is Zuckerberg have total control
over it and you can see whathappens.
Yeah, note to self iszuckerberg gonna take this
advice.
Nathan Mumm (52:52):
Yes, coming on.
Yeah, note to self if you'redoing a live tech demo, in
today's world, there are so manythings that can go wrong.
Even if you've done all thetesting and you've done all this
, you know what?
Get that pre-recorded video.
Show what you're trying to dowith the device, because
nothing's more embarrassing thanstanding on stage saying, oh,
let's try it again, let's try itagain, let's try it again,
let's try it again.
Let's try it again.
Mike Gorday (53:08):
If he's smart, he can turn this around, because
this is a great learningatmosphere.
Nathan Mumm (53:13):
Uh-huh that they've never tested their glasses with
internet Wi-Fi signals thatwould jump around.
Yeah, that's a common thingthat you would have.
Let's now move into our whiskeytasting.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings
.
Let's see what bubbles to thetop all right what do we?
Marc Gregoire (53:34):
have mark.
We are drinking baker's bourbon13 year old, it is 107 proof
150 dollars um I'm really likingthis.
Mike Gorday (53:47):
I am going to give this a thumbs up okay well I'm a
fan of jim beam already, so umthis, this was really good
thoroughly been enjoying thatwas whiskey, chris, and all of
them had a shot at tasting this.
Marc Gregoire (54:00):
No well, I've already saved two ounces for
whiskey, chris.
Okay and uh to my qfc lee.
That supplies us a lot ourbottles.
I've already given him a fewsamples.
Okay, all right?
Nathan Mumm (54:13):
Well, you know what , Mike, we're about out of time.
Mike Gorday (54:16):
No way.
Nathan Mumm (54:17):
Yeah, what are we going to do?
Mike Gorday (54:19):
We're going to.
We're going to say goodbye.
Nathan Mumm (54:21):
We're going to close the show out.
Mike Gorday (54:23):
We'll talk about your.
Nathan Mumm (54:24):
We'll talk about my white fighter, my white Talk
about my what Street fighter?
Wait, what Street fighter?
Street fighter?
No, we're not going to talkabout the street fighter.
We ran out of time.
We want to thank our listenersfor joining the program.
Listeners, we want to hear fromyou, so visit us at
techtimeradiocom.
Click on, be A Caller and askus a question so that we can
stay up to date on yourtechnology question needs.
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It was an honor to be a host oftoday's show.
Each week, we are here todecode the technology that
shapes your world.
One breach, breakthrough andbourbon at a time, from all of
us.
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