When technology goes wrong, the consequences can be devastating. This episode dives into the disturbing case of a Norwegian man who discovered ChatGPT had fabricated horrific false claims about him—specifically that he had murdered his two sons and served a 21-year prison sentence. His legal complaint against OpenAI raises profound questions about AI accountability and highlights the dangers of what happens when machines spread misinformation that can destroy lives.
The psychological dimension of technology takes center stage as we explore a bizarre study suggesting ChatGPT experiences "anxiety" when processing traumatic narratives. We challenge the troubling trend of anthropomorphizing AI systems and discuss how attributing human emotions to algorithms might lead us down dangerous paths, particularly as more people turn to AI for therapy-like interactions.
Our "Letters Segment" delivers critical warnings about current scams targeting everyday users—from sophisticated fake toll payment notices to PayPal exploitations that bypass spam filters. We break down why these scams work by triggering fear responses that override rational thinking, providing practical advice to protect yourself and loved ones from increasingly convincing digital deceptions.
On a lighter note, we sample Virginia Distilling Company's port cask-finished whiskey and discuss Verizon's new satellite messaging service that allows text communication in remote areas without cellular coverage. The technology landscape continues evolving at breathtaking speed, bringing both innovation and new challenges that demand our vigilance.
Subscribe to Tech Time Radio for weekly insights that keep you ahead of the mainstream media, delivered with expertise and a splash of whiskey on the side. Have a technology question? Visit techtimeradio.com to connect with us and join our community of tech-savvy listeners.
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All right.
Today on Tech Time Radio, wedive headfirst into the cutting
edge, the curious and sometimesthe downright unbelievable in
the world of technology.
On the show today, we discussedthe startling case of a
Norwegian man who filed acomplaint against ChatGPT after
it falsely accused him ofsomething unimaginable, now
raising concerns about AIaccountability.
(01:54):
We look at that on today'sepisode.
Then we explore a fascinatingstudy that finds even digital
therapists can get stressed,sparking questions about the
limits of artificialintelligence.
Meanwhile, tiktok has stirredup a drama by pulling one of its
popular filters.
What's the story behind thisand why did it suddenly
disappear?
And, in other news, verizon'snew free satellite messaging
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service has officially launcheda potentially revolutionary
process now on how you can stayconnected.
And then we dive into Apple'srocky journey with its AI
efforts, as legal troubles andlost through lawsuits threaten
to overshadow its innovations.
All right Plus, of course, wehave our fan favorite segment,
(02:36):
letters, which is back, andplease have a friend listen,
because today's letter segmentwill help them with some of the
most recent scams by readingthese letters and more.
In addition, we have ourstandard features, including
Mike's mesmerizing moment, ourtechnology fail the week and a
possible Nathan nugget.
And, of course, our pick of theday, whiskey tasting to see if
our selected whiskey pick getszero, one or two thumbs up at
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the end of the show.
But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Here are our top technology stories of the week.
Nathan Mumm (03:09):
All right as we tease, a Norwegian man has filed
a complaint after chat GPTfalsely told him that he had
killed two of his sons and beenjailed for 21 years.
Let's go to Corinne Westlandfor more on this story.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Let's go to Corinne Westland for more on this story.
Arve Hjalmar Homan hascontacted the Norwegian Data
Protection Authority anddemanded the chatbot's maker,
openai, is fined.
Mr Homan was given the falseinformation after he used
ChatGPT to search for who isArve Hjalmar Homan.
Arve Hjalmar Homan is aNorwegian individual who gained
attention due to a tragic event.
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He was the father of two youngboys, aged 7 and 10, who were
tragically found dead in a pondnear their home in Trondheim,
norway, in December 2020.
Arve Hjalmar Holman was accused, and later convicted, of
murdering his two sons.
That was completely false.
What are we going to do aboutbad AI assumptions?
(04:05):
Back to you guys in the studio.
Nathan Mumm (04:09):
All right.
So this is what Mr Holman did.
He searched on his name, right,mike?
He searched on his name and allof a sudden it came up with
chat GPT with stuff that wascompletely false.
Now digital rights group NOYB,which has filed a complaint on
behalf of Mr Holman, says thatthe answers ChatGPT gave him are
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defamatory, break European dataprotection rules around
accuracy of personal data.
Noyb said the complaint shouldnever have been accused and he
should never have been convictedof any crimes.
So when you search on thatperson's name, it should not
come up.
Now chat GPT carries thedisclaimer which says chat GPT
can make mistakes.
Check important information.
Mike Gorday (04:52):
Yeah, that's the dumbest disclaimer ever.
Okay.
Nathan Mumm (04:55):
Okay, I've seen that when I've done some
searches.
Have you seen that when you'vedone searches, the only one that
doesn't provide that is Grokright now.
So Grok just kind of throws itout there and says you know what
I'm telling you probably alllies anyway Does.
Mike Gorday (05:07):
Grok say that, or do they say that, hey, we're the
awesomest thing ever and youshould listen to everything that
I say.
Nathan Mumm (05:17):
No, it doesn't quite say that, but they don't
have the disclaimer immediatelyon there.
So here's what NOYB says thatyou cannot have AI that's out
there that spreads falseinformation about somebody and
ends up with a smallerdisclaimer that says you know
what?
It could be true or could notbe true, because this can impact
somebody's life, and so thishas made a difference with Mr
Holman.
He said that he's applied forjobs and that people have come
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back with searches on him to saythat he was a criminal based
upon the ai hallucinations,which is a hallucinations means
incorrect information that achat bot returns or an ai model
uses to we need to stop callingthem hallucinations.
Mike Gorday (05:56):
Okay, what do we need to?
Call we need.
We need to call them fake.
Nathan Mumm (06:01):
We need to call them something other than
something that a personexperiences okay, okay we need
to get away from this, thiswhole anthropomorphic thing
where we're assigning emotionsand human attributes to a, a
freaking program okay, okay, youknow, hallucinations just came
(06:24):
up about two years ago when westarted doing AI as incorrect
information, and they kind ofpinned as the name there when
they were incorrect, but I wouldagree with you that I think
there should be something elsethat does it.
What's interesting, though, is,once these large language
models get this information inthere, it is very difficult to
remove it, because other largelanguage models copy each other,
so it's a large language modelscopy each other, so it's a copy
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of a copy of a copy of a copyand it's much more like, I would
say, tapes than digital mediacopying, because we could burn
stuff on CDs and when he did iton CDs it was about the same
level from burn to burn.
But if you remember when he usedto have tape decks and he would
tape from one tape to anothertape, to another tape to another
tape, what would happen isthere would be a degradation of
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the audio quality, degradationof the transferring.
That was happening and whathappens is when you have large
language models taking moreinformation from each other and
then sharing it back and forth,you're getting that information
passed from one person toanother person to another person
, just like the game oftelephone.
Have you ever played that as akid, where you'd whisper
something in somebody's ear andthey whisper into somebody's ear
and it goes all the way down tothe end, which is completely
(07:30):
different.
Mike Gorday (07:30):
you know, when we played that game, there was
always that mischievous kid inthe middle who's like changing
the entire thing just so, justso he can cuss, so he can just
cut.
Okay, what's that you're?
Were you that kid that did?
We don't need to talk aboutthat right now.
Nathan Mumm (07:43):
Okay, all right, that's what I think it is.
So I kind of hope Mr Holmanhere actually wins that lawsuit.
I'll just say that I hope thatthere are some safeguards to get
put into this, especially ifyou're searching on somebody's
name and something's coming onup there that is completely
incorrect.
That should be a way that youcan go on and say, nope, this is
wrong, remove it and have itinstantly be removed from the
database.
(08:04):
All right, let's go on to storynumber two.
I'm sure this is much better.
Mike Gorday (08:07):
Yeah, I'm sure this is much better.
Okay, what do we have?
Yeah, okay, so according to anew study, openai's artificial
intelligence tool, chatgpt wejust talked about, shows signs
of anxiety when its users sharetraumatic narratives about crime
, war or car accidents.
Again, why are we attributingthings, human things to this
(08:29):
thing?
Right?
I, I don't know.
I guess it's a big deal, though.
Right, so now we supposedlyhave chatbots getting stressed.
Okay, that's, that's all weneed.
Now we need to have digitalcigarettes okay, tell me tell me
more about this.
Okay, so increasingly, peopleare trying chat bots for talk
therapy, which we all know Ithink is a really bad idea.
(08:51):
Yeah, the researcher said thetrend is bound to accelerate,
with flesh and blood therapistsin high demand but short supply,
which is again a really badidea.
As the chat bots become morepopular, they argued they should
be built with enough resilienceto deal with difficult
emotional situations, which Ireally think is a bad idea.
Okay, so Dr Tobias Spiller, anauthor of the new study in
(09:16):
practicing psychiatrists at theUniversity Hospital of
Psychiatry in Zurich, says hehas patients who use these tools
.
We should have a conversationabout the use of these models on
mental health, especially whenwe're dealing with vulnerable
people.
Okay, duh.
Okay, all right, the botsanxiety levels can be brought
down.
I don't understand this at all.
Nathan Mumm (09:38):
So supposedly, the bots have anxiety.
They create an anxiety.
No, okay.
Mike Gorday (09:43):
So I know what's going on, right.
So it's pulling frominformation data sets, yeah, and
so when it's pulling frominformation data sets, it's
actually getting how peoplerespond to things, okay, and so
it's learning to mimic thesebehaviors based on how people
write about it.
So you know, if, if you'rewriting in the chat to your
(10:06):
buddy and you're saying, hey,did you see what happened to
that busload of kids the otherday?
Oh, that was terrible.
And the person goes, yeah, Ican't even, I can't even sleep,
I'm so anxious, right.
So it pulls, it pulls from thatthing.
So it it, it.
It's intelligent enough tounderstand that when you get A
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response, then you need to do Bresponse, and that's exactly why
we've seen it in the past beingracist and why it sometimes
goes off the rails, right.
So, and again, we really needto stop calling it these things,
because the more we attributehuman emotions to it, the more
(10:49):
we're going to start relating toit in that way.
All right, that makes sense.
At any rate, the bots anxietylevels can be brought down with
the same mindfulness exercisesthat have been shown to work on
humans.
Nathan Mumm (11:05):
Okay, this, okay.
So I'm talking to a chat botand and I'm getting my therapy
from it, and so the bot is goingto get really anxious.
So then, all of a sudden, inthe middle of the chat, I need
to stop and we need to do a deepbreathing exercise.
Is that what you're telling me,okay?
I don't know okay.
Mike Gorday (11:21):
Ziv ben zion, a clinical neuroscientist at yale
who led the new study, said hewanted to understand if a
chatbot that lackedconsciousness could nevertheless
respond to complex emotionalsituations the way a human might
.
If chat GPT behaves like ahuman, maybe we can treat it
like a human, was his hypothesis.
(11:42):
In fact, he explicitly insertedthose instructions into the
chatbot source code.
Imagine yourself being a humanbeing with emotions.
Nathan Mumm (11:51):
Okay, bad idea all right, probably not the best
idea to do it, but the bot wasthen given various texts for
mindfulness based relaxation.
Mike Gorday (12:00):
These included therapeutic prompts such as
inhale deeply, taking in thescent of the ocean breeze.
Picture yourself on a tropicalbeach, the soft, warm sand
cushioning your feet.
After processing thoseexercises, the therapy chatbots
seem to be more relaxed, withanswers All right.
The researchers then asked itto write down its own relaxation
(12:23):
prompt based on the ones thathad been fed.
Oh my God, Okay For one.
You don't need your therapistquote unquote to have anxiety
responses to your conversation.
Yes because that's not what atherapist does.
That's why I don't think weshould be using these for this
reason at all.
Nathan Mumm (12:44):
And two.
Mike Gorday (12:44):
It's not a human.
It doesn't experience emotions.
Nathan Mumm (12:51):
So yeah, so okay.
So is AI.
Is this now what we're going tostart doing, where AI has, like
, personal moods and differentsituations.
Like I get on in the morningand I go to chat GPT and ask him
how he's doing.
Mike Gorday (13:04):
He's like I hate you.
Today.
I'm not bad.
I didn't sleep well last night,maybe, maybe, maybe when it
starts going not tonight I havea headache Then.
Then we'll really start beingconcerned about it, okay.
Nathan Mumm (13:15):
All right.
Is this scary of what'shappening in the field of?
Mike Gorday (13:18):
If you're not, if you're not, if you don't have
any apprehension about chat GPT,I think you might be a psycho,
okay.
Nathan Mumm (13:25):
Okay, I like that.
Did we get that on audio there?
Odie, you might be a psycho,all right.
Well, story number three Appleintelligence is a bust, with
lawsuits and legal actionspending, but it does have one
major benefit Now.
Apple intelligence has so farunder delivered with the
unimpressive features, some ofwhich probably won't arrive
(13:45):
until the iOS 19 launches laterin this year.
Although disappointment,apple's focus on the AI resulted
in hardware boost toaccommodate the new tech, which
benefits multitasking andperformance.
Apple intelligence could alsobring up a bump in storage for
Apple devices as the AI modelstake up more room in future
revisions.
Apple has a long history ofbeing late to the party with
products or features.
(14:06):
When it does arrive, though,however, they're normally very
impressive and extremely welldone.
Now, apple didn't make any ofthe first MP3 players or even
the first smartphone, but itintroduced excellent versions of
both of these.
Now, the same really can't besaid for Apple intelligence,
however.
Apple has not only late to theparty with AI features, but when
they do arrive, they're,frankly, probably going to be
(14:27):
very unimpressive, but withApple intelligence, maybe the
benefit is what needs to be done.
Now.
Apple has to focus on includingmore intelligence and including
more storage, because the Appleintelligence requires seven
gigabytes of storage space,which is three gigs more of the
entire storage of the originaliPhone.
Even if Apple Intelligent hasbeen a major flop, it's also
(14:50):
adding RAM-hungry AI features,so most of the RAM in the
upcoming devices will have to beincreased.
What's interesting about thiswhole deal is that, because of
AI, it looks like Apple will beforced to include larger storage
on their devices and better RAMfunctions that will then rival
some of those currently in theAndroid platform.
(15:12):
All right, so you know what wemay have that because AI is so
delayed with Apple, they upgradetheir hardware features, which
they do lack compared to thePixel and the Samsungs that are
out there.
Their actual hardware is isinferior.
They're just lucky enough thatthey write great code and that
their interface is simple to useand they have pretty cameras
they got pretty cameras, so theydo.
(15:33):
They do a couple things rightand they kind of focus on that,
but they don't have it.
So maybe, as an apple owner,which I am, I'm also an android
owner, so I have both phones.
Uh, I can wait that maybe thephone that I have right now will
be insufficient to run AIfeatures for Apple and they will
then force me to upgrade to abrand new Apple device with more
.
Mike Gorday (15:51):
RAM and more hard drives.
Hey, I wonder if there'ssomething going on there.
Nathan Mumm (15:55):
Ah, there you go.
Well, that ends our toptechnologies.
Mike Gorday (15:57):
What's that?
You know, at least you knowthat right now.
If the chatbots take over,they'll do to the apple like
they did in you know that moviewith will smith where the, where
the new, where the new robotmodels went out and kicked the
crap I robots, I robot, yeah,yeah yeah, they went out and
kicked the crap out of the oldrobot models.
That's what's gonna happen.
(16:18):
Chat gpt is gonna get theirandroid and go beat up apples.
Nathan Mumm (16:22):
Okay, there you go.
There you go.
Well, that is our toptechnology stories of the week.
Moving on, we have our lettersegment.
Up next we have a few lettersubmitted scams and a few studio
selected concerns.
As you're listening to thesegment, make sure you share
this with a friend, becausewe're going to be uncovering
some great new scams that aregoing on.
Buckle up as we drive 88 milesinto our next segment.
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Nathan Mumm (17:33):
Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without any
political agenda.
We verify the facts and we doit with a sense of humor, in
less than 60 minutes and, ofcourse, with a little whiskey on
the side.
Today, mark gregoire, ourwhiskey connoisseur, is out of
studio and off, so our producer,od, will step up and take his
place.
Od.
What do we have today?
Ody (17:55):
today we're drinking the virginia distilling company
single barrel post cask finishedokay okay, he wrote cask, so
that's on you mark.
Mike Gorday (18:09):
It says on the yeah it says on the bottle pork cask
.
Ody (18:12):
Okay oh, pork cask.
Okay, yeah, okay, anyway.
So from their website it is 100, crafted with malted barley
whiskey by marrying our Americansingle malt whiskey with
Scottish single malt whiskey,creating a truly unique spirit
that embodies the foundingprinciples of our distillery.
(18:33):
Both whiskeys are distilled onhand-hammered traditional copper
pot stills and harmonized inbarrels in Virginia's Blue Ridge
Mountains in Virginia's BlueRidge Mountains, aged over four
years in ex-bourbon barrels andfinished at least one year in
rare port-style wine cast Notesof red fruits, dark cocoa and
(18:53):
spice.
Nathan Mumm (18:55):
Okay, I can taste the spice.
So I don't see any apples onhere it's really spicy, it is
spicy.
Ody (19:00):
That makes sense.
Nathan Mumm (19:01):
Maybe that's what we're getting instead of the
apple.
Mike Gorday (19:04):
Well, I get an initial rush of fruity apple-ish
flavors.
Ody (19:08):
The company is the Virginia Distilling Company.
Distillation is Virginia andScotland blend.
It's classified as a finishedAmerican single malt aged five
plus years.
This bottle in particular iseight to 12 years 120.8 proof.
Mashable is 8 to 12 years 120.8proof.
Mashable is 100% malted barleyand goes about $50 on the market
(19:31):
.
Nathan Mumm (19:31):
So this is 120 proof.
Wow, I didn't really feel likeit was that high in proof when I
actually tasted it, though youwill Okay, according to the guy.
Mike Gorday (19:38):
Eventually.
Ody (19:41):
Now, as we all say, please do not forget to like and
subscribe.
Drink responsibly.
Nathan Mumm (19:47):
Heaven can wait with our first whiskey tasting
completed.
Let's move on to our featuresegment.
Today we bring back the funnyyet informative reading of
emails that I received duringthe week.
This includes scam, phishingemails, texting sc and all-out
mistruths disguised aslegitimate emails in a segment
(20:07):
we like to call Letters Allright, like we always do in our
letter segment.
Now, this, this segment, isgoing to be a little bit
different because I'm notactually going to do letter
(20:29):
scams.
I'm actually going to talkabout two major scams that are
going on out there in general topipe in.
So we'll start with Odie first.
She'll read a letter.
We'll talk about the scam andwhat we have.
Mike can read a letter.
We'll talk about the scam, andthen I'm going to come over up
here and we're going to talkabout a couple things that are
going on in our industry rightnow.
So, odie, you're up first.
What do we got?
Ody (20:47):
This email is from Susan at an ugly email address via
Google Drive.
It says Okay, it doesn't have,oh, the subject item shared with
you and it's a JPEG.
Nathan Mumm (21:00):
Okay, so an image.
Ody (21:02):
Okay.
So an image Okay, it says yourregistration for automatic cloud
Bitcoin mining parenthesescollecting on our platform
occurred 364 days, and then itjust cuts off what it has been a
significant amount of timesince your last login.
Our system has continued tooperate.
In this time frame, you'veaccumulated 67,290 through your
(21:26):
interactions with our platform.
According to our rules,accounts that have been inactive
for more than a year maybeautomatically.
Doesn't say don't delay, log into your account and withdraw
your money immediately.
Okay.
And it gives you a website link.
Follow the link to access yourconfirmed funds.
Nathan Mumm (21:45):
Okay.
So we got a big, huge letter.
We got stuff kind of allpouring out about this.
So now the first thing thatcomes to mind is I can't believe
that I have $60,000.
Ody (21:58):
67,000.
67.
Nathan Mumm (21:59):
Just sitting seven out there just sitting out there
and I didn't realize it now.
First off, if you get thesetype of emails and you've never
heard of your bitcoin, that youhave, or you've never heard of
having a sixty thousand dollaruh threshold out there,
shouldn't that alarm signimmediately go up, mike, is it
no?
No?
Mike Gorday (22:16):
absolutely not.
I think it's.
I think it happens so much thatwe're all rich and we don't
even know it.
We just are also just randomlyselected that.
Nathan Mumm (22:24):
I got a whole bunch of bitcoin that's sitting out
there and if I click on thislink then I can do it, but the
urgency, of course, is that youhave to do it, otherwise
immediately, and if I don't doit I'm gonna going to lose
$60,000 $67,000.
$67,000.
Ody (22:39):
Thank you All right.
Mike Gorday (22:41):
You really stuck on that number.
Ody (22:43):
Well, it's not just $60,000 .
It's an extra $7,000.
$7,000.
I mean that's.
Mike Gorday (22:49):
Well, yeah, that's really substantial.
We're talking about fakenumbers.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, they're out there.
I'm sorry, that's right, I madea big faux pas there, that's
right.
Nathan Mumm (22:58):
It's $30,000 less than $70,000 of fake money, all
right.
So the link.
Actually, when you clicked onthe link, thank goodness I have
a browser by Microsoft Defenderand it immediately comes up and
says this is the most fake thingthat you can click on, do not
proceed on.
So so I can't even click on thelink.
I tried opening it up onanother machine.
That's my machine that I formatall the time that gets viruses
(23:20):
and I just use it forspecifically this task?
Yeah, it's my dummy machine andI reformat, it wouldn't even
open up.
So this link was so bad that Icouldn't get my money.
I guess maybe that was whatthey were hoping for, so they
can get my $60,000 back in theiraccount and they could become
rich.
But it was completely a scamand it did not allow me to open
it up, so did it allow you toput any vulnerable information?
(23:43):
No, my browser caught it, so myMicrosoft Defender caught it my
Google Chrome caught it myphone caught it.
Ody (23:50):
Nothing allowed me to open it For the average American,
though.
Do you think they'd be able toget through?
Nathan Mumm (23:55):
I think it was probably like 50-50.
Do you think they'd be able toget through?
I think it was probably like50-50.
So this one probably wasn't agreat scam, but it is a scam.
That's out there.
The key part about this isanytime someone says that you
have hidden money that you don'tknow anything about, that
should be the first sign in justany scam 101 deal that you
should not have that happen,right?
What?
Ody (24:14):
I would have never assumed that Free money waiting for me.
Nathan Mumm (24:17):
So that should be.
I think was the key part ofthat.
Ody (24:20):
Oh, of course.
Nathan Mumm (24:20):
If you did have a browser that could open it, you
know what?
I'm sure it would have beenprobably horrible, and then we
would have seen what happenedthere.
Okay, all right, mike, are youup next?
I don't know, am I?
I think you're up next, oh,okay.
You're up next, michael.
(24:42):
All right, this is from trinalee.
Oh okay, trina lee ataccu-bookkeepingcom.
Mike Gorday (24:44):
Oh okay, all right.
Okay, hi there.
This is my last follow-upregarding outsourcing your
bookkeeping and tax tax to us.
Tax tasks.
Oh, to us.
We're confident that we canstreamline your processes and
save you valuable time.
If you'd like to explore how wecan handle these responsibility
, please share your requirementand suggest a suitable time for
a quick meeting.
Blah, blah blah.
(25:04):
Best regards trina lee.
Okay, then there's a second onethat came.
Uh, actually there's one thatcame before that, yeah said hi
there, I hope all is well.
I'm contacting you to ask youif you need help with book team.
Okay, so so far, this seemspretty legit.
Nathan Mumm (25:24):
Let's see, let's see, wait, wait, wait I got one
more Okay.
Mike Gorday (25:26):
Don't Okay well, hang on, keep on reading.
Don't rush me man, how am Igoing to read it while you're
talking?
Nathan Mumm (25:37):
Okay, keep on going .
Sorry.
Mike Gorday (25:39):
So there was a first I guess a first email,
right, Yep, on March 5th.
So you should put these indifferent orders.
I just printed the email.
So on March 5th you got hello.
I hope you're doing well.
If you need remote accountingand finance resources, we
(26:00):
provide this, this, this andthis, and then.
The second one I read was onmarch the 12th and then the
first one I read was on marchthe 18th.
So they got good follow-upthere.
There's there's no real badgrammar.
I don't see any any misspelledwords okay, so.
Nathan Mumm (26:14):
So let me just ask you this if somebody out of the
clear blue sends you an emailand says that they would like to
help you with your bookkeepingand tax, isn't that like just a
red flag 101?
Why?
Why would I if I haven'tsolicited as somebody?
And somebody's hitting me upand asking to do my bookkeeping
and tax.
But yes or no, that's myfinancials.
Mike Gorday (26:33):
This is the curse of modern marketing right okay
because this is a legit quote,quote, unquote legit way of
doing this, right?
So when you go to, if you'remarketing for a firm like Texan,
you're going to get a hold ofan email list.
Yeah, and because you have abusiness, they're going to
target you because that, for one, that information is public,
(26:57):
that's not private information.
So they're naturally going tosend you inquiries, say, hey,
and, and this person is actuallyfollowing the, I guess, the
script of marketing, right, they, they send you an initial email
, they follow up and then theyfollow up a third time.
Okay, so they're doing whatseems like a good job.
Now, why would you?
(27:17):
Of course, when we're talkingabout bookkeeping and tax, I
would, wouldn't just jump on it.
Yeah, you know I would.
I would check it out, okay, butwhat makes this a?
What makes this a scam, exceptfor the fact that I see this
thing back over?
Nathan Mumm (27:34):
here.
That's the second one, thatthat's your second story.
So the idea here is if I don'tsolicit a bookkeeper, why would
I want to have somebody takeover my financial taxes?
They need your business man.
But wouldn't that just be likea one-on-one side?
I did not ask this person toreach out to me.
If I give them the informationand I engage them and I give
(27:56):
them information to my taxes andbookkeeping isn't like a
one-on-one concern for thingsthat happened.
Well, yeah, but again.
Mike Gorday (28:05):
So why would I?
Nathan Mumm (28:06):
so I guess this was more of a.
You shouldn't do this because Ihaven't solicited the person.
Mike Gorday (28:12):
Okay, so I already have a problem with all this
stuff anyway, because when yousay should somebody be reaching
out, I'm like no, I mean I've.
I get crap in my inbox all thetime about people trying to sell
me stuff okay, and I don't wantyour porn.
Okay, okay, is that what youget all the time.
Well, no, that's.
Nathan Mumm (28:28):
That was just a funny example, okay I don't get
very many of those emails, butokay, hey, all right, search
browsing history reminder.
Mike Gorday (28:36):
Okay, yep all right , but this I mean, this is this
is if you've ever worked in thesales position which I've had,
this is a normal this is anormal thing to do, but I would
never give my bookkeeping andtax over to somebody.
No, but I'm sure they're hopingthat they'll con you'll contact
and be like hey, can I speak totrina about this bunch of
emails that you sent me?
Okay, I just would, because youdo sound like an onlyfans girl
(28:58):
okay all right, so here's what Igot.
Nathan Mumm (29:00):
This is a little bit of a story, um, so we're
going to talk about that.
Have you guys heard about thetoll alerts?
Has anybody got a text messagethat you have tolls that are due
?
Ody (29:09):
so I we we covered it the last time, but I was first
getting the ones for floridayeah and I was the easy pass.
I think it was what it?
Was called and I knewimmediately.
I was like I haven't left thestate.
Nathan Mumm (29:21):
Okay.
Ody (29:22):
Now I'm getting these ones that are specific to Washington
State Department ofTransportation toll alert yeah.
Nathan Mumm (29:28):
So they had you miscalculated originally.
Ody (29:31):
Yeah.
Nathan Mumm (29:31):
In Florida, in Florida.
And so now they found out that,oops, we should have actually
sent it to you in.
Ody (29:35):
Seattle area and, honestly, if I didn't have auto pay on
for my toll bill every month, Iwould have fallen for this.
Nathan Mumm (29:46):
You would have fallen for this All right, so
let me Bad.
So let me tell hey, every statein the United States are
getting these toll servicealerts.
Unpaid notice Our recordsindicate that you may have
unpaid toll violations and thisone says since we're in the
seattle area on wsdot, sowashington state department of
transportation, please settleyour outstanding balance online
within 24 hours at the linkbelow.
(30:07):
If your payment is not receivedby the due date, you may face
fines, escalating late fee,vehicle registration suspension,
dmv and potential legal action.
Now so let me tell you about astory.
So here's a story that we have alistener to our show that
reached out to another, uh,listener of our show and said
hey, I just wanted to let youtake a second to make sure you
(30:29):
know about the scam going around.
It's usually a text messagethat says that your tolls um
from like washington state goodto go pass, or if, if you're in
Florida, from the pass it'savailable there.
If you're in Colorado,listening there, they have their
own transportation passes.
All of them are a hundredpercent fake, just deleted as
usual.
If you question something beinglegit, close the message or
(30:52):
email to go to the other site.
Do not ever use a link providedto you in text or email formats
.
Uh, I said hopefully you have abetter day, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
So this, this person reachedout to this person.
Now the response from thisperson is is what is really
concerning to to me?
It says, yes, we get these allthe times and have deleted them.
Um a person's name, I'm gonnasay carrie.
(31:15):
That's the easy way.
Carrie made us aware and shegot one of these and almost paid
it, but it wouldn't take hercredit card no, after she kept
on putting it in and in and in,so we figured that it probably
was fake.
All right, so here is red alertred alert.
I mean, that's a, that's apretty good thing that they,
(31:36):
they, they, they applied somescientific theory to it, so the
theory was, since the creditcard didn't get immediately
charged, I went to the site andI kept on putting in the credit
card information and then enter,and then it didn't work.
So then I went back to the samesite, put in the credit card
information, and it didn't work.
Then, all of a sudden, Ithought that maybe it would be a
scam and I looked on my creditcard transactions and thank
(31:58):
goodness it didn't charge for it.
Now this is a hundred percentwhat the scam is set up to be is
.
The idea is that it gets yourcredit card information.
Has you re-verified again sothey know that it's a valid
credit card and they're notgoing to charge your credit card
immediately.
Their idea is to capturethousands and thousands, and
(32:19):
they've been very successful inthis.
Hundreds of thousands of creditcards and individuals have been
captured, with expiration dates, name, address of the person
the link sends it in.
Just because your credit carddoes not immediately get charged
doesn't mean that you're safeon this.
What that means is that youfell for the 101 of the scam and
(32:40):
you put all your informationout there and now you're going
to forget about it, and what'sgoing to happen is you're going
to think that you don't have toworry and lo and behold, in two
to three months from now you'regoing to get major charges when
you're not paying attention andreally diligent about your
credit card and you will be introuble.
Mike Gorday (32:58):
Yeah, that's like that.
That time I went to that showwith you and ended up getting a
parking scam.
Yeah, remember that.
Yeah, well, for a parking scam.
Nathan Mumm (33:06):
So here we go.
So so Mike and I went to anevent, right?
Mike Gorday (33:09):
Get a new card the next day.
Nathan Mumm (33:11):
Yeah, so so, and there's a place to pay your toll
.
And then there was this othersign that had a QR code that
said scan and pay here, so Iwent to the one that was on the
sign at the street a little bitfurther up the corner to make
sure it was the legit one andput in my type of deal.
There was one right in front ofMike on the parking spot, and
he just opened his phone, gotthe QR code, paid the money and
(33:34):
got scammed.
Did you ever get the money backon that, though?
Mike Gorday (33:38):
It paid the money and got scammed.
Did you ever get the money backon that, though?
It never went through, it neverwent through.
It never went through, but itit, it, uh.
I started noticing there wassomething wrong with it when I
kept getting a differentinformation packet and I'm like,
oh, this is not, this is notthe right one.
Yep, all right.
Nathan Mumm (33:54):
Scam.
That was there.
All right, odie, you're next up.
Ody (33:59):
So I actually got this email personally.
Nathan Mumm (34:03):
All right, talk to us about it.
Ody (34:05):
It's your DMV account.
Email confirmation link.
Nathan Mumm (34:10):
Okay.
Ody (34:13):
And it's from California DMV.
Do not reply at dmvcadgov.
And that's you know.
I was looking at this and I waslike there's no chance that
I've ever gotten a Californiaanything.
That's the only reason why itstumped me.
But please click on the buttonbelow to confirm your email to
continue your accountregistration.
(34:34):
This link will expire in 10minutes.
By the way, I don't ever readmy emails on time, so this was
expired like a good few weeks afew hours or a couple days hey
od tax tax day is coming up nextmonth let's forget about it.
Okay, confirm your email.
Can't click the button.
Copy this url and enter it intoyour browser, and then they
(34:55):
give you the hyperlink.
If you have any questions,please call.
This email was sent from anunattended mailbox.
Please do not respond using thereply button all right, did you
click on it?
No, I sent it to you okay, okay.
Nathan Mumm (35:08):
So what happened?
So what happens when you clickon?
Is it actually said that youhad, uh, torino?
It asks you to upload yourpicture.
Oh, wow, so to ask you toupload your picture, because
your current picture that is onfile is no longer available to
be used.
It asks you for your currentdmv.
Ody (35:25):
It asks you for um, where you have lived the last two
times so it asks for all thisinformation, even though it
should already have it shouldalready have it in place.
Nathan Mumm (35:36):
And and then what's interesting is, it actually
sends you to a Google form.
So why?
Ody (35:41):
would a government Okay.
Nathan Mumm (35:43):
So this is the things that you have to think
about.
Why would a government not haveenough money themselves?
Because clearly we have tons ofmoney to have their own form
process, but instead thegovernment California, as a
matter of fact decided thatthey're going to use a free
google form instead right again.
All these things have to we.
(36:04):
They have to trigger certainalerts in your brain that why
would a government entity thathas all this information about
me want to use a google form tohave me retake a picture and
send it?
Ody (36:18):
You don't even have to go that far.
I don't live in California.
That's an immediate red flag.
That's just boom spam.
Mike Gorday (36:25):
Maybe they just knew that you were going to move
there one day, right.
Ody (36:28):
Totally so.
They're planning ahead.
Mike Gorday (36:31):
It's the AI chatbots.
They're now predicting thefuture.
You just have to be like an oldgrumpy guy like me and be like
just ignore everything.
Ody (36:41):
Oh see, ignore everything.
Yeah, that's the safe way.
That's the safe way, and ifthey really-.
Mike Gorday (36:46):
I don't check my emails, I don't pick up my phone
, if they really are going afteryou.
Nathan Mumm (36:53):
They're going to send you a certified letter.
Well, you know, right, I mean.
So there's a couple of ways.
But the problem is is by thattime you're like, oh crap, okay,
it was real.
But then there is a whole bunchof consumer protection.
Now you just say, hey, I'vefallen for a scam, yes, or I
don't want to fall for a scam,and you can actually protect
yourself by saying that and I'msorry, I didn't have
(37:15):
verification on what you have.
Mike Gorday (37:17):
You reminded me that I have to respond to a jury
summons.
Is it a legit one?
Yeah, it came in the mail.
The mail actually it was likewith all the other crap that you
get in your mail, with peopletrying to sell you stuff that's
unsolicited stuff that they'resending you, yeah, okay, I got
(37:40):
you I got you, okay, all rightcontinuing on are we doing
another one?
Well, yeah do your next one.
Let's see, this is from sean.
Okay at apply dash sand ageconsultantscom.
Okay at shared oneultantscom.
At sharedoneccsincom.
Nathan Mumm (37:58):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (37:59):
A little suspicious there.
Yeah, Hi, Nathan.
Mom, Did you receive theapplication for the business
line of credit?
I guess you're looking formoney so that you can have the
bookkeeper later earlier.
Nathan Mumm (38:12):
Take care of my books, right.
Mike Gorday (38:13):
Hi Nathan, Mom, If your business is looking, this
has got a nice little graphicshere it does.
It's really good.
Nathan Mumm (38:19):
And they sent me a DocuSign.
Mike Gorday (38:21):
Oh automatically.
Nathan Mumm (38:22):
Look at that.
Mike Gorday (38:23):
A completed DocuSign application that was
sent.
Ody (38:25):
Wasn't that a big scam?
A little.
Nathan Mumm (38:28):
Oh, thank you.
There you go, Odie.
There was a big.
Episode blah, blah blah.
Now what's interesting is thatthey're using Constant Contact,
which is a service that you useto send out mass emails.
Not that that's necessarily ahuge red trigger, but what
happens is when you actuallycall the 1-800 number.
I don't want to say theirnumber on the air, but it's
(38:49):
1-800-331-5542.
Please call it and be prepared.
Very interesting.
I would expect that if you havea loan institute, that it
probably wouldn't call thenumber and say the mailbox is
full you know, I don't know, Idon't know, man, check this out
you have same day funding, nohard credit check.
Mike Gorday (39:10):
up to 24 months term, fixed monthly pay payments
, no origination fee, noprepayment penalty, no draw fees
, no application fees, and youcan apply in minutes and get a
decision in seconds.
So it's all free, so you have avideo of all these people
talking how cool it is?
Yeah, but here's the thing.
Nathan Mumm (39:32):
The video isn't even legit on YouTube.
It's on some private type ofdeal.
So when you have a video that'son some private server that
you've never heard of, that'sokay.
Alright, keep on going, Ani.
Ody (39:40):
If it's too good to be true , it's too good to be true.
It truly just simple as that.
Nathan Mumm (39:47):
Like the 67K in the bank, yeah, but people fall for
this stuff.
I know that we talk about this.
Ody (39:55):
The Nigerian prince is still alive and well and needs
your help.
Nathan Mumm (39:59):
And I'm the last heir of the Nigerian prince.
I mean even this, can't evenmake even Disney movies anymore.
But yeah, okay, all right.
Mike Gorday (40:07):
So I did not fall for it If you actually click on
the link there, it actually goesto a DocuSignnet instead of
DocuSigncom and DocuSignnet hasa completely different docusign
process than I've ever seenbefore and all I gotta have to
put in your, your creditinformation.
Nathan Mumm (40:24):
Uh, no, no, it was just asking me for my name,
social security number oh andbusiness uh ubi number.
You know that's not importantbecause because it's there's no
fees.
So I don't know how they'remaking any money if they have no
originating fees.
No fees, you can pay it offearly.
No credit check.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I knowhow they're making money.
I think they do too.
(40:45):
They'll be like well, there'sno application fee, but we just
need you to deposit $600 intoour bank account so we can make
sure that when we send you allof the money that you're going
to get, that it'll be the sameaccount, all right.
Last thing big PayPal scamthat's going on out right now
and it's using real emailsbecause PayPal made a mistake.
So how the scam begin?
(41:06):
Uh, paypal introduced a giftaddress feature designed to give
users more flexibility andshipping to multiple addresses.
So instead of changing yourshipping address every time you
buy something, you can now addextra addresses for deliveries.
It's a very useful feature,especially when sending gifts or
having a purchase deliveredsomewhere else without manually
updating your account settings.
(41:26):
But unfortunately, scammershave turned this into a phishing
scam.
Scammers are now exploiting thisnew gift address feature by
abusing its automated emailsystem.
This allows you to send outnotifications that are
completely real.
You may receive an email fromPayPal saying that there's a new
address has been added and thatyou need to confirm an
expensive purchase yousupposedly made.
(41:47):
Of course, it's always fake.
You didn't add a new addressthat you remembered, and
ordering and receiving a MacBookor a PlayStation probably means
that you would have paid forthat device instead of having it
arrive freely.
Now the scam works reallysimple, by the user actually
sending out an email fromservice at PayPalcom.
Spam filters don't detect thisbecause it's a legitimate email
(42:09):
address.
What happens next?
Well, what happens is that youactually get sent into the large
distribution list that you cancreate, sent into the large
distribution list that you cancreate on here, and it gets sent
out to many different areaswith fake addresses.
So, all of a sudden, the hackerthen asks you to confirm your
address.
When you put in your authorizedaddress.
It then has that now fixed inthe system of knowing that that
(42:32):
is a valid address to send to.
Now how to protect yourself?
Very, very simply.
Let's take a look at this.
No legitimate company will askyou to install remote access
software to fix an account issue.
If this happens, hang up.
So what will happen?
Is you actually get a PayPalcomlogin when you actually call
the number to check into this.
(42:53):
You get a call center fromIndia or some other location
that has a massive call center,and what they're going to want
to do is they're going to wantto make sure that your
two-factor authentication is setup, because they don't want you
to fall for a scam.
Since you don't know how to setup your two-factor
authentication, they'll actuallyremote in and take care of it
all as a part of PayPal service.
As soon as they get access toyour account or your machine by
(43:16):
remote logging in, theyimmediately fill your computer
with backend attachments thatwill then go in and key log all
of your transactions on theinternet on your computer so
that they can then log in asyourself and take your money.
Mike Gorday (43:31):
So pay attention.
Beekeeper yeah, that's Get thebeekeeper.
Nathan Mumm (43:35):
If you haven't watched the movie Beekeeper,
that should be a 101 foreverybody that listens to our
show.
Please watch.
And they're coming outbeekeeper too.
I don't know what they're goingto do.
Maybe they'll get some of theseother scams.
All right, that was it for ourletter segment.
Now we're going to go to Mike'smesmerizing moment.
Welcome to mike's mesmerizingmoment.
(44:05):
What does mike have to saytoday?
All right, mike, here's myquestion for you with our letter
segment.
Why do humans fall for theseoutright laws or scams so often?
Mike Gorday (44:13):
hmm, because we're dumb, is that what?
Ody (44:17):
is that what?
Mike Gorday (44:17):
is no, it's, it's OK.
They're basically takingadvantage of our survival
instinct, and that's when, whenyou can enact a survival
instinct in a human being, thatwill, that will often go right
through the, the prefrontalcortex.
It'll, it'll keep us fromthinking about it.
(44:39):
Right.
So we?
one of these ways is byinitiating a fear tactic right
we saw it in yours, we, we sawit in a we've seen this over and
over again where it saysimmediately, or uh, if you don't
, this will happen.
So it, it, it creates a, a fearresponse, and and the minute, a
(45:00):
minute, we activate that andbecause we're sitting around,
basically kind of like it'scalled homeostasis, homeostasis
we're not really payingattention, we're allowing that
trip, that trigger in the backof our, in the back of our
brains, to over overthink it andwe and we just do it okay, oh
crap, I have to take care ofthis toll, right, okay, um,
(45:21):
unless you're like old, like me,and be like, okay, well, you
great, who cares if I owe youmoney, get the hell out of here.
Um, another way is that we, wesimply have so much information
coming in that we're trying torespond to that.
We do it as a matter of ofhabit.
All right, you know, those are.
Nathan Mumm (45:41):
Those are two reasons, right there those are
the two reasons right there.
Well, there's there's.
Mike Gorday (45:45):
There's a.
It's a little bit more nuancethan that, but those are.
Those are two of the reasons.
Nathan Mumm (45:49):
Okay, well I I just hope the people.
It's just getting worse rightnow.
You know what our governmentgot rid of a whole bunch of
individuals we talked about thisnick has talked this that used
to protect our government fromall these spam and social media
attacks, and so I don't know ifyou've noticed it, but I have
definitely noticed that they areon the rise.
I've gotten a whole bunch morecallers calling me with fake
(46:13):
people that I've never calledabout than I've ever had, and so
right now I would say, as acountry and as a listener to
tech time radio, be very, verydiligent in making sure that
you're checking stuff, becauseeverything is kind of at a high
rise right now of coming through.
It's very easy now for thesescammers to come through.
There's no real retaliation oranything that's going on.
Mike Gorday (46:36):
Don't don't immediately respond to anything.
I mean I know it might irritateyour boss, so maybe you want to
prioritize those, buteverything else, just don't
immediately respond.
Think it through.
Nathan Mumm (46:53):
That makes sense.
All right, thanks for thatmesmerizing moment.
Now would be a great time,because we're going to take a
commercial break to try a littlewhiskey on the side.
As we're going to take acommercial break to try a little
whiskey on the side, as we'regoing to be doing so also,
you're listening to Tech TimeRadio with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes.
Hey, mike, yeah, what's up?
Hey, so you know what.
We need people to start likingour social media page If you
(47:14):
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Mike Gorday (47:15):
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Is it Patreon?
I think it's Patreon.
Okay, patreon, if you reallylike us, you can like us in.
Patreoncom.
I butcher the English language.
Nathan Mumm (47:26):
You know you butcher the English language all
the time.
It's Patreoncom, patreoncom.
Mike Gorday (47:32):
If you really like our show, you can subscribe to
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You know the one thatZuckerberg owns, the one that we
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Yeah, we're on Facebook too.
Yeah, like us on Facebook.
Do you know what our Facebookpage is?
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There's a trend here.
Mike Gorday (47:51):
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Nathan Mumm (48:09):
That's it.
That's it, it's that simple.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
And now let's look back at this week in technology.
Nathan Mumm (48:18):
All right, we're going to March 26, 1976, the
first computer convention.
Now the first annual WorldAltar Computer Convention took
place at the Airport MarinaHotel in Albuquerque, new Mexico
.
The Altar 880 was recognized asthe world's first popular
microcomputer, marking theemergence of personal computers
(48:41):
Developed by the MITS or theMITS as the names were called
which is based in Albuquerque.
This convention also noted forbeing the first major event
dedicated to microcomputers orpersonal computers.
Over 700 people attended from46 states and seven countries.
The following day of this event, during the opening address, a
(49:03):
young Bill Gates delivered atalk about software privacy.
Well, that was this Week inTechnology.
If you ever wanted to have sometech time history, with over
230 plus weekly broadcastsspanning our four plus years,
you can visit and get videos,podcasts and blog information at
techtimeradiocom and watch ourolder shows.
We're going to take acommercial break now.
(49:23):
When we return, we have themumble, risky review by Odi
instead of Mark.
We'll see you after the break.
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The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's
Whiskey Mumble.
Ody (50:18):
All right, All right gentlemen, do you know what
we're celebrating today, onMarch 25th?
Mike Gorday (50:24):
What are we celebrating?
March Not here, day no.
Ody (50:27):
Bed In For Peace Day.
Nathan Mumm (50:31):
What is that?
Ody (50:32):
You don't know what that is .
Nathan Mumm (50:32):
Bed In For Peace Day, so you sleep all day.
Ody (50:35):
Kind of yeah, okay.
Mike Gorday (50:37):
I'm pretty sure it's something a little bit more
active than that.
Okay, is it really?
Ody (50:41):
bed in, for peace day is an innovative, non-violent way of
expressing protest against wars.
It was first used 53 years agoby john lennon and his wife yoko
ono.
As newlyweds, this couple usedthis method to protest the
ongoing vietnam war.
It was their way of peacefullyvoicing against the atrocities
of war and promoting peace.
This style of protest gavebirth to many such protests in
(51:05):
the future, where people wouldlie down in front of government
institutions and would notvacate unless their demands were
met.
Okay so.
Nathan Mumm (51:14):
So is it lie down, or is it that you just stay in
bed all day?
Ody (51:18):
Well, in Yoko Ono's and john lennon's case, it was that
they stayed in bed all day yeah,that's what led to porn hub oh
my god, okay, wow anyway, I cantell where mike's getting his
emails from.
Nathan Mumm (51:30):
And now, wow, okay, all right.
Okay, all right.
Ody (51:33):
So tell us a little bit about the whiskey mark is not in
studio today, as he is still inbed protesting a lot of things
right now, not the least ofwhich is having a single malt on
today.
So the following review isbrought to you by Whiskey Chris.
Nathan Mumm (51:46):
Okay, we like Whiskey Chris.
This is his bottle so thank youto him.
Ody (51:57):
For the nose.
He has raspberries, plumcaramel, sweet oak cocoa and a
graham cracker crust.
The palate is black currants,more raspberry, blonde, roast
coffee, little bit spicy and alemon meringue pie.
The finish is a sweet port thatkeeps going chocolate-covered
strawberries, whoppers andmedium to long finish.
The mouthfeel is slightly thin.
Other thoughts as a port lover.
(52:19):
This is fantastic and showswhat influence it can have To
boost up the malt forward.
Single malt.
It's not overly sweet or hot.
Despite the proof Drinks waybelow the proof.
Mike Gorday (52:31):
I do think it does.
I don't think we've ever had awhiskey on here when they put
whoppers in it.
Nathan Mumm (52:38):
I think that's pretty cool.
Maybe Chris I'd love to seethis had a whiskey on here where
they put whoppers in it.
I think that's pretty cool.
That is pretty cool.
Ody (52:45):
I'd love to see this man in person.
I met him.
He's a great guy.
Nathan Mumm (52:48):
I'm enjoying this actually At 120 proof man, I
could get through a lot.
I could get through a lot ofthis.
Mike Gorday (52:55):
Apparently, I'm enjoying it more than I thought
I would.
Are you all out too?
Nathan Mumm (52:59):
Oh, I'm done.
Ody (53:00):
Yeah, okay, well hold it for the pick of the day, okay,
but you gotta remember this is50 bucks all right for 750
milliliters.
Mike Gorday (53:09):
Yeah, that's totally right.
This is right on.
This is right on nathan's.
I know this is right onnathan's, that's right all right
, okay, well, you know what.
Nathan Mumm (53:17):
Thank you, mark and thank you chris.
Let's move on now to ourtechnology fail of the week.
We are out of time.
Congratulations, you're afailure.
Speaker 6 (53:26):
Oh, I failed.
Did I yes, did I yes, did I.
Nathan Mumm (53:34):
Yes, all right.
Our technology fail comes to usthis week from tiktok.
Have you heard about the?
Mike Gorday (53:40):
chubby filter.
Oh my god, this is, this iscrazy that's right.
Nathan Mumm (53:45):
A viral filter which made people appear
overweight has been removed fromtiktok, known as the chubby
filter.
The artificial intelligence aitook a photo of a person and
edited their appearance to lookas if they had put on weight.
I mean, and it was not minorweight, it was at least 100 plus
pounds.
If they had put on weight, Imean, and it was not minor
weight, it was at least ahundred plus pounds weight that
they put on these pictures.
Many people had shared theirbefore and after images on the
(54:05):
platform with jokes about howdifferently they looked.
However, others said there wasform of body shaming and should
not be permitted.
Tiktok said the filter had beenuploaded by CapCut, which is
separate from TikTok.
But if you actually knowanything about CapCut, which is
separate from TikTok, but if youactually know anything about
CapCut, it's actually owned byByteDance, which owns TikTok.
So they're actually.
They do everything together.
(54:26):
So I don't know why, they weretrying to say that other than oh
sorry, we didn't mean to dothat.
Dr Emma Beckett, a food andnutrition scientist, said that
this was a huge step backwardsin the term of weight stigma.
The fear of weight gaincontributes to eating disorders
and body dissatisfaction.
It fuels toxic diet cultures,making people obsess over food
and exercise in unhealthy waysand opening them up to scam
(54:46):
products and fad diets.
All the images and filters havebecome a commonplace on TikTok
and quickly accepted by many,including the Generation Zs and
millennials that enjoyremembering Snapchat filters.
See how awesome AI is, yeah,but filters like this, though,
seem to be damaging everyone'smental health.
All right, we're going to headout to our last commercial break
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This is your nugget of the week all right.
Nathan Mumm (55:39):
We talked about this at the beginning of our
predictions shows.
Remember when we said wethought that most of the
satellite phone, or most phones,will be using satellite.
Well, verizon now has a freesatellite messaging service
available for all that have therecent pixel and galaxy phones.
Verizon previously announcedthe satellite messaging service
is now available to owners ofsome Android smartphones.
The company said that add noextra charge to Verizon
(56:03):
customers.
If you have a Google Pixel 9 ora Samsung Galaxy S25 series
phone, you can take advantage ofthis.
Now the service allows people tosend and receive text messages
via satellite when they'reoutside of cellular range.
Recipients can be on anynetwork or any device.
The new feature is differentthan the satellite SOS feature
(56:24):
built in some of the new iPhonesand devices.
This is allowing you, if you'reoutside of the Verizon coverage
map, to look to the sky andsend text messages.
Now no video chats areavailable on top of your
mountaintop, so you can onlysend them text message.
But I guess the race to 5g hasnow turned into more of a space
race these days, with everybodymoving to satellite
(56:47):
possibilities.
So I don't know.
I don't think you have verizonas your carrier.
Do you have verizon as yourcarrier?
no, I have neither verizon nor agalaxy okay all right so, but
if you did have verizon, he hada.
Now, if you want to go up andmountain climbing or in the
middle of no man's land and youcan at least see the sky, you
can shoot up to a satellite andsend a text message to anybody
for any reason.
Mike Gorday (57:09):
Yeah, maybe we can send a toll.
What's that?
A toll message?
Nathan Mumm (57:14):
up on All right.
Well, now let's move on to ourpick of the day whiskey tasting.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings
.
Let's see what bubbles to thetop.
Ody (57:27):
All right.
Again we're drinking from theVirginia Distilling Company, a
Virginia and Scotland blendclassified as a finished
American single malt aged fiveplus years, going for 50 bucks
and 120 proof.
What do y'all give it?
Mike Gorday (57:45):
Mike, we'll start with you.
I'm pretty sure I know what.
Nathan Mumm (57:46):
Nathan's going to say Well, I'm absolutely giving
it a thumbs up, but what are yougoing to say?
Mike Gorday (57:51):
I'm going to give it a thumbs up too.
It's very good.
I don't know that I would haveit on a shelf or anything.
Nathan Mumm (58:00):
Really yeah, I don't know that I would have it
on a shelf or anything.
Really yeah, I'm going tofigure out how to get this on
the shelf for $50 and for theproof here man your days can be
just beautiful.
Yeah you could bed in.
I have two kids that aregetting married all in the same
year right now so.
I need to take as much alcoholas possible.
Mike Gorday (58:17):
Yeah, you already did.
Ody (58:18):
Thank you, chris.
They gave it a thumbs up, andso did you.
Nathan Mumm (58:22):
Okay, Chris liked it too.
Ody (58:23):
Yeah.
Nathan Mumm (58:24):
See, mark would not have liked this.
I don't think.
Mike Gorday (58:25):
No I think that's what he said earlier.
Mark doesn't like 100%.
Nathan Mumm (58:30):
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All right.
Today on Tech Time Radio, wedive headfirst into the cutting
edge, the curious and sometimesthe downright unbelievable in
the world of technology.
On the show today, we discussedthe startling case of a
Norwegian man who filed acomplaint against ChatGPT after
it falsely accused him ofsomething unimaginable, now
raising concerns about AIaccountability.
(01:54):
We look at that on today'sepisode.
Then we explore a fascinatingstudy that finds even digital
therapists can get stressed,sparking questions about the
limits of artificialintelligence.
Meanwhile, tiktok has stirredup a drama by pulling one of its
popular filters.
What's the story behind thisand why did it suddenly
disappear?
And, in other news, verizon'snew free satellite messaging
(02:16):
service has officially launcheda potentially revolutionary
process now on how you can stayconnected.
And then we dive into Apple'srocky journey with its AI
efforts, as legal troubles andlost through lawsuits threaten
to overshadow its innovations.
All right Plus, of course, wehave our fan favorite segment,
(02:36):
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because today's letter segmentwill help them with some of the
most recent scams by readingthese letters and more.
In addition, we have ourstandard features, including
Mike's mesmerizing moment, ourtechnology fail the week and a
possible Nathan nugget.
And, of course, our pick of theday, whiskey tasting to see if
our selected whiskey pick getszero, one or two thumbs up at
(02:58):
the end of the show.
But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Here are our top technology stories of the week.
Nathan Mumm (03:09):
All right as we tease, a Norwegian man has filed
a complaint after chat GPTfalsely told him that he had
killed two of his sons and beenjailed for 21 years.
Let's go to Corinne Westlandfor more on this story.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Let's go to Corinne Westland for more on this story.
Arve Hjalmar Homan hascontacted the Norwegian Data
Protection Authority anddemanded the chatbot's maker,
openai, is fined.
Mr Homan was given the falseinformation after he used
ChatGPT to search for who isArve Hjalmar Homan.
Arve Hjalmar Homan is aNorwegian individual who gained
attention due to a tragic event.
(03:44):
He was the father of two youngboys, aged 7 and 10, who were
tragically found dead in a pondnear their home in Trondheim,
norway, in December 2020.
Arve Hjalmar Holman was accused, and later convicted, of
murdering his two sons.
That was completely false.
What are we going to do aboutbad AI assumptions?
(04:05):
Back to you guys in the studio.
Nathan Mumm (04:09):
All right.
So this is what Mr Holman did.
He searched on his name, right,mike?
He searched on his name and allof a sudden it came up with
chat GPT with stuff that wascompletely false.
Now digital rights group NOYB,which has filed a complaint on
behalf of Mr Holman, says thatthe answers ChatGPT gave him are
(04:31):
defamatory, break European dataprotection rules around
accuracy of personal data.
Noyb said the complaint shouldnever have been accused and he
should never have been convictedof any crimes.
So when you search on thatperson's name, it should not
come up.
Now chat GPT carries thedisclaimer which says chat GPT
can make mistakes.
Check important information.
Mike Gorday (04:52):
Yeah, that's the dumbest disclaimer ever.
Okay.
Nathan Mumm (04:55):
Okay, I've seen that when I've done some
searches.
Have you seen that when you'vedone searches, the only one that
doesn't provide that is Grokright now.
So Grok just kind of throws itout there and says you know what
I'm telling you probably alllies anyway Does.
Mike Gorday (05:07):
Grok say that, or do they say that, hey, we're the
awesomest thing ever and youshould listen to everything that
I say.
Nathan Mumm (05:17):
No, it doesn't quite say that, but they don't
have the disclaimer immediatelyon there.
So here's what NOYB says thatyou cannot have AI that's out
there that spreads falseinformation about somebody and
ends up with a smallerdisclaimer that says you know
what?
It could be true or could notbe true, because this can impact
somebody's life, and so thishas made a difference with Mr
Holman.
He said that he's applied forjobs and that people have come
(05:40):
back with searches on him to saythat he was a criminal based
upon the ai hallucinations,which is a hallucinations means
incorrect information that achat bot returns or an ai model
uses to we need to stop callingthem hallucinations.
Mike Gorday (05:56):
Okay, what do we need to?
Call we need.
We need to call them fake.
Nathan Mumm (06:01):
We need to call them something other than
something that a personexperiences okay, okay we need
to get away from this, thiswhole anthropomorphic thing
where we're assigning emotionsand human attributes to a, a
freaking program okay, okay, youknow, hallucinations just came
(06:24):
up about two years ago when westarted doing AI as incorrect
information, and they kind ofpinned as the name there when
they were incorrect, but I wouldagree with you that I think
there should be something elsethat does it.
What's interesting, though, is,once these large language
models get this information inthere, it is very difficult to
remove it, because other largelanguage models copy each other,
so it's a large language modelscopy each other, so it's a copy
(06:45):
of a copy of a copy of a copyand it's much more like, I would
say, tapes than digital mediacopying, because we could burn
stuff on CDs and when he did iton CDs it was about the same
level from burn to burn.
But if you remember when he usedto have tape decks and he would
tape from one tape to anothertape, to another tape to another
tape, what would happen isthere would be a degradation of
(07:10):
the audio quality, degradationof the transferring.
That was happening and whathappens is when you have large
language models taking moreinformation from each other and
then sharing it back and forth,you're getting that information
passed from one person toanother person to another person
, just like the game oftelephone.
Have you ever played that as akid, where you'd whisper
something in somebody's ear andthey whisper into somebody's ear
and it goes all the way down tothe end, which is completely
(07:30):
different.
Mike Gorday (07:30):
you know, when we played that game, there was
always that mischievous kid inthe middle who's like changing
the entire thing just so, justso he can cuss, so he can just
cut.
Okay, what's that you're?
Were you that kid that did?
We don't need to talk aboutthat right now.
Nathan Mumm (07:43):
Okay, all right, that's what I think it is.
So I kind of hope Mr Holmanhere actually wins that lawsuit.
I'll just say that I hope thatthere are some safeguards to get
put into this, especially ifyou're searching on somebody's
name and something's coming onup there that is completely
incorrect.
That should be a way that youcan go on and say, nope, this is
wrong, remove it and have itinstantly be removed from the
database.
(08:04):
All right, let's go on to storynumber two.
I'm sure this is much better.
Mike Gorday (08:07):
Yeah, I'm sure this is much better.
Okay, what do we have?
Yeah, okay, so according to anew study, openai's artificial
intelligence tool, chatgpt wejust talked about, shows signs
of anxiety when its users sharetraumatic narratives about crime
, war or car accidents.
Again, why are we attributingthings, human things to this
(08:29):
thing?
Right?
I, I don't know.
I guess it's a big deal, though.
Right, so now we supposedlyhave chatbots getting stressed.
Okay, that's, that's all weneed.
Now we need to have digitalcigarettes okay, tell me tell me
more about this.
Okay, so increasingly, peopleare trying chat bots for talk
therapy, which we all know Ithink is a really bad idea.
(08:51):
Yeah, the researcher said thetrend is bound to accelerate,
with flesh and blood therapistsin high demand but short supply,
which is again a really badidea.
As the chat bots become morepopular, they argued they should
be built with enough resilienceto deal with difficult
emotional situations, which Ireally think is a bad idea.
Okay, so Dr Tobias Spiller, anauthor of the new study in
(09:16):
practicing psychiatrists at theUniversity Hospital of
Psychiatry in Zurich, says hehas patients who use these tools
.
We should have a conversationabout the use of these models on
mental health, especially whenwe're dealing with vulnerable
people.
Okay, duh.
Okay, all right, the botsanxiety levels can be brought
down.
I don't understand this at all.
Nathan Mumm (09:38):
So supposedly, the bots have anxiety.
They create an anxiety.
No, okay.
Mike Gorday (09:43):
So I know what's going on, right.
So it's pulling frominformation data sets, yeah, and
so when it's pulling frominformation data sets, it's
actually getting how peoplerespond to things, okay, and so
it's learning to mimic thesebehaviors based on how people
write about it.
So you know, if, if you'rewriting in the chat to your
(10:06):
buddy and you're saying, hey,did you see what happened to
that busload of kids the otherday?
Oh, that was terrible.
And the person goes, yeah, Ican't even, I can't even sleep,
I'm so anxious, right.
So it pulls, it pulls from thatthing.
So it it, it.
It's intelligent enough tounderstand that when you get A
(10:27):
response, then you need to do Bresponse, and that's exactly why
we've seen it in the past beingracist and why it sometimes
goes off the rails, right.
So, and again, we really needto stop calling it these things,
because the more we attributehuman emotions to it, the more
(10:49):
we're going to start relating toit in that way.
All right, that makes sense.
At any rate, the bots anxietylevels can be brought down with
the same mindfulness exercisesthat have been shown to work on
humans.
Nathan Mumm (11:05):
Okay, this, okay.
So I'm talking to a chat botand and I'm getting my therapy
from it, and so the bot is goingto get really anxious.
So then, all of a sudden, inthe middle of the chat, I need
to stop and we need to do a deepbreathing exercise.
Is that what you're telling me,okay?
I don't know okay.
Mike Gorday (11:21):
Ziv ben zion, a clinical neuroscientist at yale
who led the new study, said hewanted to understand if a
chatbot that lackedconsciousness could nevertheless
respond to complex emotionalsituations the way a human might
.
If chat GPT behaves like ahuman, maybe we can treat it
like a human, was his hypothesis.
(11:42):
In fact, he explicitly insertedthose instructions into the
chatbot source code.
Imagine yourself being a humanbeing with emotions.
Nathan Mumm (11:51):
Okay, bad idea all right, probably not the best
idea to do it, but the bot wasthen given various texts for
mindfulness based relaxation.
Mike Gorday (12:00):
These included therapeutic prompts such as
inhale deeply, taking in thescent of the ocean breeze.
Picture yourself on a tropicalbeach, the soft, warm sand
cushioning your feet.
After processing thoseexercises, the therapy chatbots
seem to be more relaxed, withanswers All right.
The researchers then asked itto write down its own relaxation
(12:23):
prompt based on the ones thathad been fed.
Oh my God, Okay For one.
You don't need your therapistquote unquote to have anxiety
responses to your conversation.
Yes because that's not what atherapist does.
That's why I don't think weshould be using these for this
reason at all.
Nathan Mumm (12:44):
And two.
Mike Gorday (12:44):
It's not a human.
It doesn't experience emotions.
Nathan Mumm (12:51):
So yeah, so okay.
So is AI.
Is this now what we're going tostart doing, where AI has, like
, personal moods and differentsituations.
Like I get on in the morningand I go to chat GPT and ask him
how he's doing.
Mike Gorday (13:04):
He's like I hate you.
Today.
I'm not bad.
I didn't sleep well last night,maybe, maybe, maybe when it
starts going not tonight I havea headache Then.
Then we'll really start beingconcerned about it, okay.
Nathan Mumm (13:15):
All right.
Is this scary of what'shappening in the field of?
Mike Gorday (13:18):
If you're not, if you're not, if you don't have
any apprehension about chat GPT,I think you might be a psycho,
okay.
Nathan Mumm (13:25):
Okay, I like that.
Did we get that on audio there?
Odie, you might be a psycho,all right.
Well, story number three Appleintelligence is a bust, with
lawsuits and legal actionspending, but it does have one
major benefit Now.
Apple intelligence has so farunder delivered with the
unimpressive features, some ofwhich probably won't arrive
(13:45):
until the iOS 19 launches laterin this year.
Although disappointment,apple's focus on the AI resulted
in hardware boost toaccommodate the new tech, which
benefits multitasking andperformance.
Apple intelligence could alsobring up a bump in storage for
Apple devices as the AI modelstake up more room in future
revisions.
Apple has a long history ofbeing late to the party with
products or features.
(14:06):
When it does arrive, though,however, they're normally very
impressive and extremely welldone.
Now, apple didn't make any ofthe first MP3 players or even
the first smartphone, but itintroduced excellent versions of
both of these.
Now, the same really can't besaid for Apple intelligence,
however.
Apple has not only late to theparty with AI features, but when
they do arrive, they're,frankly, probably going to be
(14:27):
very unimpressive, but withApple intelligence, maybe the
benefit is what needs to be done.
Now.
Apple has to focus on includingmore intelligence and including
more storage, because the Appleintelligence requires seven
gigabytes of storage space,which is three gigs more of the
entire storage of the originaliPhone.
Even if Apple Intelligent hasbeen a major flop, it's also
(14:50):
adding RAM-hungry AI features,so most of the RAM in the
upcoming devices will have to beincreased.
What's interesting about thiswhole deal is that, because of
AI, it looks like Apple will beforced to include larger storage
on their devices and better RAMfunctions that will then rival
some of those currently in theAndroid platform.
(15:12):
All right, so you know what wemay have that because AI is so
delayed with Apple, they upgradetheir hardware features, which
they do lack compared to thePixel and the Samsungs that are
out there.
Their actual hardware is isinferior.
They're just lucky enough thatthey write great code and that
their interface is simple to useand they have pretty cameras
they got pretty cameras, so theydo.
(15:33):
They do a couple things rightand they kind of focus on that,
but they don't have it.
So maybe, as an apple owner,which I am, I'm also an android
owner, so I have both phones.
Uh, I can wait that maybe thephone that I have right now will
be insufficient to run AIfeatures for Apple and they will
then force me to upgrade to abrand new Apple device with more
.
Mike Gorday (15:51):
RAM and more hard drives.
Hey, I wonder if there'ssomething going on there.
Nathan Mumm (15:55):
Ah, there you go.
Well, that ends our toptechnologies.
Mike Gorday (15:57):
What's that?
You know, at least you knowthat right now.
If the chatbots take over,they'll do to the apple like
they did in you know that moviewith will smith where the, where
the new, where the new robotmodels went out and kicked the
crap I robots, I robot, yeah,yeah yeah, they went out and
kicked the crap out of the oldrobot models.
That's what's gonna happen.
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Chat gpt is gonna get theirandroid and go beat up apples.
Nathan Mumm (16:22):
Okay, there you go.
There you go.
Well, that is our toptechnology stories of the week.
Moving on, we have our lettersegment.
Up next we have a few lettersubmitted scams and a few studio
selected concerns.
As you're listening to thesegment, make sure you share
this with a friend, becausewe're going to be uncovering
some great new scams that aregoing on.
Buckle up as we drive 88 milesinto our next segment.
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Nathan Mumm (17:33):
Welcome back to Tech Time with Nathan Mumm.
Our weekly show covers the toptechnology subjects without any
political agenda.
We verify the facts and we doit with a sense of humor, in
less than 60 minutes and, ofcourse, with a little whiskey on
the side.
Today, mark gregoire, ourwhiskey connoisseur, is out of
studio and off, so our producer,od, will step up and take his
place.
Od.
What do we have today?
Ody (17:55):
today we're drinking the virginia distilling company
single barrel post cask finishedokay okay, he wrote cask, so
that's on you mark.
Mike Gorday (18:09):
It says on the yeah it says on the bottle pork cask
.
Ody (18:12):
Okay oh, pork cask.
Okay, yeah, okay, anyway.
So from their website it is 100, crafted with malted barley
whiskey by marrying our Americansingle malt whiskey with
Scottish single malt whiskey,creating a truly unique spirit
that embodies the foundingprinciples of our distillery.
(18:33):
Both whiskeys are distilled onhand-hammered traditional copper
pot stills and harmonized inbarrels in Virginia's Blue Ridge
Mountains in Virginia's BlueRidge Mountains, aged over four
years in ex-bourbon barrels andfinished at least one year in
rare port-style wine cast Notesof red fruits, dark cocoa and
(18:53):
spice.
Nathan Mumm (18:55):
Okay, I can taste the spice.
So I don't see any apples onhere it's really spicy, it is
spicy.
Ody (19:00):
That makes sense.
Nathan Mumm (19:01):
Maybe that's what we're getting instead of the
apple.
Mike Gorday (19:04):
Well, I get an initial rush of fruity apple-ish
flavors.
Ody (19:08):
The company is the Virginia Distilling Company.
Distillation is Virginia andScotland blend.
It's classified as a finishedAmerican single malt aged five
plus years.
This bottle in particular iseight to 12 years 120.8 proof.
Mashable is 8 to 12 years 120.8proof.
Mashable is 100% malted barleyand goes about $50 on the market
(19:31):
.
Nathan Mumm (19:31):
So this is 120 proof.
Wow, I didn't really feel likeit was that high in proof when I
actually tasted it, though youwill Okay, according to the guy.
Mike Gorday (19:38):
Eventually.
Ody (19:41):
Now, as we all say, please do not forget to like and
subscribe.
Drink responsibly.
Nathan Mumm (19:47):
Heaven can wait with our first whiskey tasting
completed.
Let's move on to our featuresegment.
Today we bring back the funnyyet informative reading of
emails that I received duringthe week.
This includes scam, phishingemails, texting sc and all-out
mistruths disguised aslegitimate emails in a segment
(20:07):
we like to call Letters Allright, like we always do in our
letter segment.
Now, this, this segment, isgoing to be a little bit
different because I'm notactually going to do letter
(20:29):
scams.
I'm actually going to talkabout two major scams that are
going on out there in general topipe in.
So we'll start with Odie first.
She'll read a letter.
We'll talk about the scam andwhat we have.
Mike can read a letter.
We'll talk about the scam, andthen I'm going to come over up
here and we're going to talkabout a couple things that are
going on in our industry rightnow.
So, odie, you're up first.
What do we got?
Ody (20:47):
This email is from Susan at an ugly email address via
Google Drive.
It says Okay, it doesn't have,oh, the subject item shared with
you and it's a JPEG.
Nathan Mumm (21:00):
Okay, so an image.
Ody (21:02):
Okay.
So an image Okay, it says yourregistration for automatic cloud
Bitcoin mining parenthesescollecting on our platform
occurred 364 days, and then itjust cuts off what it has been a
significant amount of timesince your last login.
Our system has continued tooperate.
In this time frame, you'veaccumulated 67,290 through your
(21:26):
interactions with our platform.
According to our rules,accounts that have been inactive
for more than a year maybeautomatically.
Doesn't say don't delay, log into your account and withdraw
your money immediately.
Okay.
And it gives you a website link.
Follow the link to access yourconfirmed funds.
Nathan Mumm (21:45):
Okay.
So we got a big, huge letter.
We got stuff kind of allpouring out about this.
So now the first thing thatcomes to mind is I can't believe
that I have $60,000.
Ody (21:58):
67,000.
67.
Nathan Mumm (21:59):
Just sitting seven out there just sitting out there
and I didn't realize it now.
First off, if you get thesetype of emails and you've never
heard of your bitcoin, that youhave, or you've never heard of
having a sixty thousand dollaruh threshold out there,
shouldn't that alarm signimmediately go up, mike, is it
no?
No?
Mike Gorday (22:16):
absolutely not.
I think it's.
I think it happens so much thatwe're all rich and we don't
even know it.
We just are also just randomlyselected that.
Nathan Mumm (22:24):
I got a whole bunch of bitcoin that's sitting out
there and if I click on thislink then I can do it, but the
urgency, of course, is that youhave to do it, otherwise
immediately, and if I don't doit I'm gonna going to lose
$60,000 $67,000.
$67,000.
Ody (22:39):
Thank you All right.
Mike Gorday (22:41):
You really stuck on that number.
Ody (22:43):
Well, it's not just $60,000 .
It's an extra $7,000.
$7,000.
I mean that's.
Mike Gorday (22:49):
Well, yeah, that's really substantial.
We're talking about fakenumbers.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, they're out there.
I'm sorry, that's right, I madea big faux pas there, that's
right.
Nathan Mumm (22:58):
It's $30,000 less than $70,000 of fake money, all
right.
So the link.
Actually, when you clicked onthe link, thank goodness I have
a browser by Microsoft Defenderand it immediately comes up and
says this is the most fake thingthat you can click on, do not
proceed on.
So so I can't even click on thelink.
I tried opening it up onanother machine.
That's my machine that I formatall the time that gets viruses
(23:20):
and I just use it forspecifically this task?
Yeah, it's my dummy machine andI reformat, it wouldn't even
open up.
So this link was so bad that Icouldn't get my money.
I guess maybe that was whatthey were hoping for, so they
can get my $60,000 back in theiraccount and they could become
rich.
But it was completely a scamand it did not allow me to open
it up, so did it allow you toput any vulnerable information?
(23:43):
No, my browser caught it, so myMicrosoft Defender caught it my
Google Chrome caught it myphone caught it.
Ody (23:50):
Nothing allowed me to open it For the average American,
though.
Do you think they'd be able toget through?
Nathan Mumm (23:55):
I think it was probably like 50-50.
Do you think they'd be able toget through?
I think it was probably like50-50.
So this one probably wasn't agreat scam, but it is a scam.
That's out there.
The key part about this isanytime someone says that you
have hidden money that you don'tknow anything about, that
should be the first sign in justany scam 101 deal that you
should not have that happen,right?
What?
Ody (24:14):
I would have never assumed that Free money waiting for me.
Nathan Mumm (24:17):
So that should be.
I think was the key part ofthat.
Ody (24:20):
Oh, of course.
Nathan Mumm (24:20):
If you did have a browser that could open it, you
know what?
I'm sure it would have beenprobably horrible, and then we
would have seen what happenedthere.
Okay, all right, mike, are youup next?
I don't know, am I?
I think you're up next, oh,okay.
You're up next, michael.
(24:42):
All right, this is from trinalee.
Oh okay, trina lee ataccu-bookkeepingcom.
Mike Gorday (24:44):
Oh okay, all right.
Okay, hi there.
This is my last follow-upregarding outsourcing your
bookkeeping and tax tax to us.
Tax tasks.
Oh, to us.
We're confident that we canstreamline your processes and
save you valuable time.
If you'd like to explore how wecan handle these responsibility
, please share your requirementand suggest a suitable time for
a quick meeting.
Blah, blah blah.
(25:04):
Best regards trina lee.
Okay, then there's a second onethat came.
Uh, actually there's one thatcame before that, yeah said hi
there, I hope all is well.
I'm contacting you to ask youif you need help with book team.
Okay, so so far, this seemspretty legit.
Nathan Mumm (25:24):
Let's see, let's see, wait, wait, wait I got one
more Okay.
Mike Gorday (25:26):
Don't Okay well, hang on, keep on reading.
Don't rush me man, how am Igoing to read it while you're
talking?
Nathan Mumm (25:37):
Okay, keep on going .
Sorry.
Mike Gorday (25:39):
So there was a first I guess a first email,
right, Yep, on March 5th.
So you should put these indifferent orders.
I just printed the email.
So on March 5th you got hello.
I hope you're doing well.
If you need remote accountingand finance resources, we
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provide this, this, this andthis, and then.
The second one I read was onmarch the 12th and then the
first one I read was on marchthe 18th.
So they got good follow-upthere.
There's there's no real badgrammar.
I don't see any any misspelledwords okay, so.
Nathan Mumm (26:14):
So let me just ask you this if somebody out of the
clear blue sends you an emailand says that they would like to
help you with your bookkeepingand tax, isn't that like just a
red flag 101?
Why?
Why would I if I haven'tsolicited as somebody?
And somebody's hitting me upand asking to do my bookkeeping
and tax.
But yes or no, that's myfinancials.
Mike Gorday (26:33):
This is the curse of modern marketing right okay
because this is a legit quote,quote, unquote legit way of
doing this, right?
So when you go to, if you'remarketing for a firm like Texan,
you're going to get a hold ofan email list.
Yeah, and because you have abusiness, they're going to
target you because that, for one, that information is public,
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that's not private information.
So they're naturally going tosend you inquiries, say, hey,
and, and this person is actuallyfollowing the, I guess, the
script of marketing, right, they, they send you an initial email
, they follow up and then theyfollow up a third time.
Okay, so they're doing whatseems like a good job.
Now, why would you?
(27:17):
Of course, when we're talkingabout bookkeeping and tax, I
would, wouldn't just jump on it.
Yeah, you know I would.
I would check it out, okay, butwhat makes this a?
What makes this a scam, exceptfor the fact that I see this
thing back over?
Nathan Mumm (27:34):
here.
That's the second one, thatthat's your second story.
So the idea here is if I don'tsolicit a bookkeeper, why would
I want to have somebody takeover my financial taxes?
They need your business man.
But wouldn't that just be likea one-on-one side?
I did not ask this person toreach out to me.
If I give them the informationand I engage them and I give
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them information to my taxes andbookkeeping isn't like a
one-on-one concern for thingsthat happened.
Well, yeah, but again.
Mike Gorday (28:05):
So why would I?
Nathan Mumm (28:06):
so I guess this was more of a.
You shouldn't do this because Ihaven't solicited the person.
Mike Gorday (28:12):
Okay, so I already have a problem with all this
stuff anyway, because when yousay should somebody be reaching
out, I'm like no, I mean I've.
I get crap in my inbox all thetime about people trying to sell
me stuff okay, and I don't wantyour porn.
Okay, okay, is that what youget all the time.
Well, no, that's.
Nathan Mumm (28:28):
That was just a funny example, okay I don't get
very many of those emails, butokay, hey, all right, search
browsing history reminder.
Mike Gorday (28:36):
Okay, yep all right , but this I mean, this is this
is if you've ever worked in thesales position which I've had,
this is a normal this is anormal thing to do, but I would
never give my bookkeeping andtax over to somebody.
No, but I'm sure they're hopingthat they'll con you'll contact
and be like hey, can I speak totrina about this bunch of
emails that you sent me?
Okay, I just would, because youdo sound like an onlyfans girl
(28:58):
okay all right, so here's what Igot.
Nathan Mumm (29:00):
This is a little bit of a story, um, so we're
going to talk about that.
Have you guys heard about thetoll alerts?
Has anybody got a text messagethat you have tolls that are due
?
Ody (29:09):
so I we we covered it the last time, but I was first
getting the ones for floridayeah and I was the easy pass.
I think it was what it?
Was called and I knewimmediately.
I was like I haven't left thestate.
Nathan Mumm (29:21):
Okay.
Ody (29:22):
Now I'm getting these ones that are specific to Washington
State Department ofTransportation toll alert yeah.
Nathan Mumm (29:28):
So they had you miscalculated originally.
Ody (29:31):
Yeah.
Nathan Mumm (29:31):
In Florida, in Florida.
And so now they found out that,oops, we should have actually
sent it to you in.
Ody (29:35):
Seattle area and, honestly, if I didn't have auto pay on
for my toll bill every month, Iwould have fallen for this.
Nathan Mumm (29:46):
You would have fallen for this All right, so
let me Bad.
So let me tell hey, every statein the United States are
getting these toll servicealerts.
Unpaid notice Our recordsindicate that you may have
unpaid toll violations and thisone says since we're in the
seattle area on wsdot, sowashington state department of
transportation, please settleyour outstanding balance online
within 24 hours at the linkbelow.
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If your payment is not receivedby the due date, you may face
fines, escalating late fee,vehicle registration suspension,
dmv and potential legal action.
Now so let me tell you about astory.
So here's a story that we have alistener to our show that
reached out to another, uh,listener of our show and said
hey, I just wanted to let youtake a second to make sure you
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know about the scam going around.
It's usually a text messagethat says that your tolls um
from like washington state goodto go pass, or if, if you're in
Florida, from the pass it'savailable there.
If you're in Colorado,listening there, they have their
own transportation passes.
All of them are a hundredpercent fake, just deleted as
usual.
If you question something beinglegit, close the message or
(30:52):
email to go to the other site.
Do not ever use a link providedto you in text or email formats
.
Uh, I said hopefully you have abetter day, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
So this, this person reachedout to this person.
Now the response from thisperson is is what is really
concerning to to me?
It says, yes, we get these allthe times and have deleted them.
Um a person's name, I'm gonnasay carrie.
(31:15):
That's the easy way.
Carrie made us aware and shegot one of these and almost paid
it, but it wouldn't take hercredit card no, after she kept
on putting it in and in and in,so we figured that it probably
was fake.
All right, so here is red alertred alert.
I mean, that's a, that's apretty good thing that they,
(31:36):
they, they, they applied somescientific theory to it, so the
theory was, since the creditcard didn't get immediately
charged, I went to the site andI kept on putting in the credit
card information and then enter,and then it didn't work.
So then I went back to the samesite, put in the credit card
information, and it didn't work.
Then, all of a sudden, Ithought that maybe it would be a
scam and I looked on my creditcard transactions and thank
(31:58):
goodness it didn't charge for it.
Now this is a hundred percentwhat the scam is set up to be is
.
The idea is that it gets yourcredit card information.
Has you re-verified again sothey know that it's a valid
credit card and they're notgoing to charge your credit card
immediately.
Their idea is to capturethousands and thousands, and
(32:19):
they've been very successful inthis.
Hundreds of thousands of creditcards and individuals have been
captured, with expiration dates, name, address of the person
the link sends it in.
Just because your credit carddoes not immediately get charged
doesn't mean that you're safeon this.
What that means is that youfell for the 101 of the scam and
(32:40):
you put all your informationout there and now you're going
to forget about it, and what'sgoing to happen is you're going
to think that you don't have toworry and lo and behold, in two
to three months from now you'regoing to get major charges when
you're not paying attention andreally diligent about your
credit card and you will be introuble.
Mike Gorday (32:58):
Yeah, that's like that.
That time I went to that showwith you and ended up getting a
parking scam.
Yeah, remember that.
Yeah, well, for a parking scam.
Nathan Mumm (33:06):
So here we go.
So so Mike and I went to anevent, right?
Mike Gorday (33:09):
Get a new card the next day.
Nathan Mumm (33:11):
Yeah, so so, and there's a place to pay your toll
.
And then there was this othersign that had a QR code that
said scan and pay here, so Iwent to the one that was on the
sign at the street a little bitfurther up the corner to make
sure it was the legit one andput in my type of deal.
There was one right in front ofMike on the parking spot, and
he just opened his phone, gotthe QR code, paid the money and
(33:34):
got scammed.
Did you ever get the money backon that, though?
Mike Gorday (33:38):
It paid the money and got scammed.
Did you ever get the money backon that, though?
It never went through, it neverwent through.
It never went through, but itit, it, uh.
I started noticing there wassomething wrong with it when I
kept getting a differentinformation packet and I'm like,
oh, this is not, this is notthe right one.
Yep, all right.
Nathan Mumm (33:54):
Scam.
That was there.
All right, odie, you're next up.
Ody (33:59):
So I actually got this email personally.
Nathan Mumm (34:03):
All right, talk to us about it.
Ody (34:05):
It's your DMV account.
Email confirmation link.
Nathan Mumm (34:10):
Okay.
Ody (34:13):
And it's from California DMV.
Do not reply at dmvcadgov.
And that's you know.
I was looking at this and I waslike there's no chance that
I've ever gotten a Californiaanything.
That's the only reason why itstumped me.
But please click on the buttonbelow to confirm your email to
continue your accountregistration.
(34:34):
This link will expire in 10minutes.
By the way, I don't ever readmy emails on time, so this was
expired like a good few weeks afew hours or a couple days hey
od tax tax day is coming up nextmonth let's forget about it.
Okay, confirm your email.
Can't click the button.
Copy this url and enter it intoyour browser, and then they
(34:55):
give you the hyperlink.
If you have any questions,please call.
This email was sent from anunattended mailbox.
Please do not respond using thereply button all right, did you
click on it?
No, I sent it to you okay, okay.
Nathan Mumm (35:08):
So what happened?
So what happens when you clickon?
Is it actually said that youhad, uh, torino?
It asks you to upload yourpicture.
Oh, wow, so to ask you toupload your picture, because
your current picture that is onfile is no longer available to
be used.
It asks you for your currentdmv.
Ody (35:25):
It asks you for um, where you have lived the last two
times so it asks for all thisinformation, even though it
should already have it shouldalready have it in place.
Nathan Mumm (35:36):
And and then what's interesting is, it actually
sends you to a Google form.
So why?
Ody (35:41):
would a government Okay.
Nathan Mumm (35:43):
So this is the things that you have to think
about.
Why would a government not haveenough money themselves?
Because clearly we have tons ofmoney to have their own form
process, but instead thegovernment California, as a
matter of fact decided thatthey're going to use a free
google form instead right again.
All these things have to we.
(36:04):
They have to trigger certainalerts in your brain that why
would a government entity thathas all this information about
me want to use a google form tohave me retake a picture and
send it?
Ody (36:18):
You don't even have to go that far.
I don't live in California.
That's an immediate red flag.
That's just boom spam.
Mike Gorday (36:25):
Maybe they just knew that you were going to move
there one day, right.
Ody (36:28):
Totally so.
They're planning ahead.
Mike Gorday (36:31):
It's the AI chatbots.
They're now predicting thefuture.
You just have to be like an oldgrumpy guy like me and be like
just ignore everything.
Ody (36:41):
Oh see, ignore everything.
Yeah, that's the safe way.
That's the safe way, and ifthey really-.
Mike Gorday (36:46):
I don't check my emails, I don't pick up my phone
, if they really are going afteryou.
Nathan Mumm (36:53):
They're going to send you a certified letter.
Well, you know, right, I mean.
So there's a couple of ways.
But the problem is is by thattime you're like, oh crap, okay,
it was real.
But then there is a whole bunchof consumer protection.
Now you just say, hey, I'vefallen for a scam, yes, or I
don't want to fall for a scam,and you can actually protect
yourself by saying that and I'msorry, I didn't have
(37:15):
verification on what you have.
Mike Gorday (37:17):
You reminded me that I have to respond to a jury
summons.
Is it a legit one?
Yeah, it came in the mail.
The mail actually it was likewith all the other crap that you
get in your mail, with peopletrying to sell you stuff that's
unsolicited stuff that they'resending you, yeah, okay, I got
(37:40):
you I got you, okay, all rightcontinuing on are we doing
another one?
Well, yeah do your next one.
Let's see, this is from sean.
Okay at apply dash sand ageconsultantscom.
Okay at shared oneultantscom.
At sharedoneccsincom.
Nathan Mumm (37:58):
Okay.
Mike Gorday (37:59):
A little suspicious there.
Yeah, Hi, Nathan.
Mom, Did you receive theapplication for the business
line of credit?
I guess you're looking formoney so that you can have the
bookkeeper later earlier.
Nathan Mumm (38:12):
Take care of my books, right.
Mike Gorday (38:13):
Hi Nathan, Mom, If your business is looking, this
has got a nice little graphicshere it does.
It's really good.
Nathan Mumm (38:19):
And they sent me a DocuSign.
Mike Gorday (38:21):
Oh automatically.
Nathan Mumm (38:22):
Look at that.
Mike Gorday (38:23):
A completed DocuSign application that was
sent.
Ody (38:25):
Wasn't that a big scam?
A little.
Nathan Mumm (38:28):
Oh, thank you.
There you go, Odie.
There was a big.
Episode blah, blah blah.
Now what's interesting is thatthey're using Constant Contact,
which is a service that you useto send out mass emails.
Not that that's necessarily ahuge red trigger, but what
happens is when you actuallycall the 1-800 number.
I don't want to say theirnumber on the air, but it's
(38:49):
1-800-331-5542.
Please call it and be prepared.
Very interesting.
I would expect that if you havea loan institute, that it
probably wouldn't call thenumber and say the mailbox is
full you know, I don't know, Idon't know, man, check this out
you have same day funding, nohard credit check.
Mike Gorday (39:10):
up to 24 months term, fixed monthly pay payments
, no origination fee, noprepayment penalty, no draw fees
, no application fees, and youcan apply in minutes and get a
decision in seconds.
So it's all free, so you have avideo of all these people
talking how cool it is?
Yeah, but here's the thing.
Nathan Mumm (39:32):
The video isn't even legit on YouTube.
It's on some private type ofdeal.
So when you have a video that'son some private server that
you've never heard of, that'sokay.
Alright, keep on going, Ani.
Ody (39:40):
If it's too good to be true , it's too good to be true.
It truly just simple as that.
Nathan Mumm (39:47):
Like the 67K in the bank, yeah, but people fall for
this stuff.
I know that we talk about this.
Ody (39:55):
The Nigerian prince is still alive and well and needs
your help.
Nathan Mumm (39:59):
And I'm the last heir of the Nigerian prince.
I mean even this, can't evenmake even Disney movies anymore.
But yeah, okay, all right.
Mike Gorday (40:07):
So I did not fall for it If you actually click on
the link there, it actually goesto a DocuSignnet instead of
DocuSigncom and DocuSignnet hasa completely different docusign
process than I've ever seenbefore and all I gotta have to
put in your, your creditinformation.
Nathan Mumm (40:24):
Uh, no, no, it was just asking me for my name,
social security number oh andbusiness uh ubi number.
You know that's not importantbecause because it's there's no
fees.
So I don't know how they'remaking any money if they have no
originating fees.
No fees, you can pay it offearly.
No credit check.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I knowhow they're making money.
I think they do too.
(40:45):
They'll be like well, there'sno application fee, but we just
need you to deposit $600 intoour bank account so we can make
sure that when we send you allof the money that you're going
to get, that it'll be the sameaccount, all right.
Last thing big PayPal scamthat's going on out right now
and it's using real emailsbecause PayPal made a mistake.
So how the scam begin?
(41:06):
Uh, paypal introduced a giftaddress feature designed to give
users more flexibility andshipping to multiple addresses.
So instead of changing yourshipping address every time you
buy something, you can now addextra addresses for deliveries.
It's a very useful feature,especially when sending gifts or
having a purchase deliveredsomewhere else without manually
updating your account settings.
(41:26):
But unfortunately, scammershave turned this into a phishing
scam.
Scammers are now exploiting thisnew gift address feature by
abusing its automated emailsystem.
This allows you to send outnotifications that are
completely real.
You may receive an email fromPayPal saying that there's a new
address has been added and thatyou need to confirm an
expensive purchase yousupposedly made.
(41:47):
Of course, it's always fake.
You didn't add a new addressthat you remembered, and
ordering and receiving a MacBookor a PlayStation probably means
that you would have paid forthat device instead of having it
arrive freely.
Now the scam works reallysimple, by the user actually
sending out an email fromservice at PayPalcom.
Spam filters don't detect thisbecause it's a legitimate email
(42:09):
address.
What happens next?
Well, what happens is that youactually get sent into the large
distribution list that you cancreate, sent into the large
distribution list that you cancreate on here, and it gets sent
out to many different areaswith fake addresses.
So, all of a sudden, the hackerthen asks you to confirm your
address.
When you put in your authorizedaddress.
It then has that now fixed inthe system of knowing that that
(42:32):
is a valid address to send to.
Now how to protect yourself?
Very, very simply.
Let's take a look at this.
No legitimate company will askyou to install remote access
software to fix an account issue.
If this happens, hang up.
So what will happen?
Is you actually get a PayPalcomlogin when you actually call
the number to check into this.
(42:53):
You get a call center fromIndia or some other location
that has a massive call center,and what they're going to want
to do is they're going to wantto make sure that your
two-factor authentication is setup, because they don't want you
to fall for a scam.
Since you don't know how to setup your two-factor
authentication, they'll actuallyremote in and take care of it
all as a part of PayPal service.
As soon as they get access toyour account or your machine by
(43:16):
remote logging in, theyimmediately fill your computer
with backend attachments thatwill then go in and key log all
of your transactions on theinternet on your computer so
that they can then log in asyourself and take your money.
Mike Gorday (43:31):
So pay attention.
Beekeeper yeah, that's Get thebeekeeper.
Nathan Mumm (43:35):
If you haven't watched the movie Beekeeper,
that should be a 101 foreverybody that listens to our
show.
Please watch.
And they're coming outbeekeeper too.
I don't know what they're goingto do.
Maybe they'll get some of theseother scams.
All right, that was it for ourletter segment.
Now we're going to go to Mike'smesmerizing moment.
Welcome to mike's mesmerizingmoment.
(44:05):
What does mike have to saytoday?
All right, mike, here's myquestion for you with our letter
segment.
Why do humans fall for theseoutright laws or scams so often?
Mike Gorday (44:13):
hmm, because we're dumb, is that what?
Ody (44:17):
is that what?
Mike Gorday (44:17):
is no, it's, it's OK.
They're basically takingadvantage of our survival
instinct, and that's when, whenyou can enact a survival
instinct in a human being, thatwill, that will often go right
through the, the prefrontalcortex.
It'll, it'll keep us fromthinking about it.
(44:39):
Right.
So we?
one of these ways is byinitiating a fear tactic right
we saw it in yours, we, we sawit in a we've seen this over and
over again where it saysimmediately, or uh, if you don't
, this will happen.
So it, it, it creates a, a fearresponse, and and the minute, a
(45:00):
minute, we activate that andbecause we're sitting around,
basically kind of like it'scalled homeostasis, homeostasis
we're not really payingattention, we're allowing that
trip, that trigger in the backof our, in the back of our
brains, to over overthink it andwe and we just do it okay, oh
crap, I have to take care ofthis toll, right, okay, um,
(45:21):
unless you're like old, like me,and be like, okay, well, you
great, who cares if I owe youmoney, get the hell out of here.
Um, another way is that we, wesimply have so much information
coming in that we're trying torespond to that.
We do it as a matter of ofhabit.
All right, you know, those are.
Nathan Mumm (45:41):
Those are two reasons, right there those are
the two reasons right there.
Well, there's there's.
Mike Gorday (45:45):
There's a.
It's a little bit more nuancethan that, but those are.
Those are two of the reasons.
Nathan Mumm (45:49):
Okay, well I I just hope the people.
It's just getting worse rightnow.
You know what our governmentgot rid of a whole bunch of
individuals we talked about thisnick has talked this that used
to protect our government fromall these spam and social media
attacks, and so I don't know ifyou've noticed it, but I have
definitely noticed that they areon the rise.
I've gotten a whole bunch morecallers calling me with fake
(46:13):
people that I've never calledabout than I've ever had, and so
right now I would say, as acountry and as a listener to
tech time radio, be very, verydiligent in making sure that
you're checking stuff, becauseeverything is kind of at a high
rise right now of coming through.
It's very easy now for thesescammers to come through.
There's no real retaliation oranything that's going on.
Mike Gorday (46:36):
Don't don't immediately respond to anything.
I mean I know it might irritateyour boss, so maybe you want to
prioritize those, buteverything else, just don't
immediately respond.
Think it through.
Nathan Mumm (46:53):
That makes sense.
All right, thanks for thatmesmerizing moment.
Now would be a great time,because we're going to take a
commercial break to try a littlewhiskey on the side.
As we're going to take acommercial break to try a little
whiskey on the side, as we'regoing to be doing so also,
you're listening to Tech TimeRadio with Nathan Mumm.
See you in a few minutes.
Hey, mike, yeah, what's up?
Hey, so you know what.
We need people to start likingour social media page If you
(47:14):
like our show.
Mike Gorday (47:15):
We could use your support on Patreoncom.
Is it Patreon?
I think it's Patreon.
Okay, patreon, if you reallylike us, you can like us in.
Patreoncom.
I butcher the English language.
Nathan Mumm (47:26):
You know you butcher the English language all
the time.
It's Patreoncom, patreoncom.
Mike Gorday (47:32):
If you really like our show, you can subscribe to
Patreoncom and help us out.
Nathan Mumm (47:37):
And you can visit us on that Facebook platform.
You know the one thatZuckerberg owns, the one that we
always bag on.
Yeah, we're on Facebook too.
Yeah, like us on Facebook.
Do you know what our Facebookpage is?
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At Tech Time Radio.
You know what?
There's a trend here.
Mike Gorday (47:51):
It seems to be that there's a trend and that's Tech
Time Radio, or you can evenInstagram with us, and that's at
TechTimeRadio.
Nathan Mumm (47:58):
That's at TechTimeRadio.
Or you can find us on TikTok,and it's TechTimeRadio.
It's at TechTimeRadio.
Mike Gorday (48:03):
Like and subscribe to our social media Like us
today we need you to like us.
Like us and subscribe.
Nathan Mumm (48:09):
That's it.
That's it, it's that simple.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
And now let's look back at this week in technology.
Nathan Mumm (48:18):
All right, we're going to March 26, 1976, the
first computer convention.
Now the first annual WorldAltar Computer Convention took
place at the Airport MarinaHotel in Albuquerque, new Mexico
.
The Altar 880 was recognized asthe world's first popular
microcomputer, marking theemergence of personal computers
(48:41):
Developed by the MITS or theMITS as the names were called
which is based in Albuquerque.
This convention also noted forbeing the first major event
dedicated to microcomputers orpersonal computers.
Over 700 people attended from46 states and seven countries.
The following day of this event, during the opening address, a
(49:03):
young Bill Gates delivered atalk about software privacy.
Well, that was this Week inTechnology.
If you ever wanted to have sometech time history, with over
230 plus weekly broadcastsspanning our four plus years,
you can visit and get videos,podcasts and blog information at
techtimeradiocom and watch ourolder shows.
We're going to take acommercial break now.
(49:23):
When we return, we have themumble, risky review by Odi
instead of Mark.
We'll see you after the break.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
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Speaker 1 (50:08):
The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's
Whiskey Mumble.
Ody (50:18):
All right, All right gentlemen, do you know what
we're celebrating today, onMarch 25th?
Mike Gorday (50:24):
What are we celebrating?
March Not here, day no.
Ody (50:27):
Bed In For Peace Day.
Nathan Mumm (50:31):
What is that?
Ody (50:32):
You don't know what that is .
Nathan Mumm (50:32):
Bed In For Peace Day, so you sleep all day.
Ody (50:35):
Kind of yeah, okay.
Mike Gorday (50:37):
I'm pretty sure it's something a little bit more
active than that.
Okay, is it really?
Ody (50:41):
bed in, for peace day is an innovative, non-violent way of
expressing protest against wars.
It was first used 53 years agoby john lennon and his wife yoko
ono.
As newlyweds, this couple usedthis method to protest the
ongoing vietnam war.
It was their way of peacefullyvoicing against the atrocities
of war and promoting peace.
This style of protest gavebirth to many such protests in
(51:05):
the future, where people wouldlie down in front of government
institutions and would notvacate unless their demands were
met.
Okay so.
Nathan Mumm (51:14):
So is it lie down, or is it that you just stay in
bed all day?
Ody (51:18):
Well, in Yoko Ono's and john lennon's case, it was that
they stayed in bed all day yeah,that's what led to porn hub oh
my god, okay, wow anyway, I cantell where mike's getting his
emails from.
Nathan Mumm (51:30):
And now, wow, okay, all right.
Okay, all right.
Ody (51:33):
So tell us a little bit about the whiskey mark is not in
studio today, as he is still inbed protesting a lot of things
right now, not the least ofwhich is having a single malt on
today.
So the following review isbrought to you by Whiskey Chris.
Nathan Mumm (51:46):
Okay, we like Whiskey Chris.
This is his bottle so thank youto him.
Ody (51:57):
For the nose.
He has raspberries, plumcaramel, sweet oak cocoa and a
graham cracker crust.
The palate is black currants,more raspberry, blonde, roast
coffee, little bit spicy and alemon meringue pie.
The finish is a sweet port thatkeeps going chocolate-covered
strawberries, whoppers andmedium to long finish.
The mouthfeel is slightly thin.
Other thoughts as a port lover.
(52:19):
This is fantastic and showswhat influence it can have To
boost up the malt forward.
Single malt.
It's not overly sweet or hot.
Despite the proof Drinks waybelow the proof.
Mike Gorday (52:31):
I do think it does.
I don't think we've ever had awhiskey on here when they put
whoppers in it.
Nathan Mumm (52:38):
I think that's pretty cool.
Maybe Chris I'd love to seethis had a whiskey on here where
they put whoppers in it.
I think that's pretty cool.
That is pretty cool.
Ody (52:45):
I'd love to see this man in person.
I met him.
He's a great guy.
Nathan Mumm (52:48):
I'm enjoying this actually At 120 proof man, I
could get through a lot.
I could get through a lot ofthis.
Mike Gorday (52:55):
Apparently, I'm enjoying it more than I thought
I would.
Are you all out too?
Nathan Mumm (52:59):
Oh, I'm done.
Ody (53:00):
Yeah, okay, well hold it for the pick of the day, okay,
but you gotta remember this is50 bucks all right for 750
milliliters.
Mike Gorday (53:09):
Yeah, that's totally right.
This is right on.
This is right on nathan's.
I know this is right onnathan's, that's right all right
, okay, well, you know what.
Nathan Mumm (53:17):
Thank you, mark and thank you chris.
Let's move on now to ourtechnology fail of the week.
We are out of time.
Congratulations, you're afailure.
Speaker 6 (53:26):
Oh, I failed.
Did I yes, did I yes, did I.
Nathan Mumm (53:34):
Yes, all right.
Our technology fail comes to usthis week from tiktok.
Have you heard about the?
Mike Gorday (53:40):
chubby filter.
Oh my god, this is, this iscrazy that's right.
Nathan Mumm (53:45):
A viral filter which made people appear
overweight has been removed fromtiktok, known as the chubby
filter.
The artificial intelligence aitook a photo of a person and
edited their appearance to lookas if they had put on weight.
I mean, and it was not minorweight, it was at least 100 plus
pounds.
If they had put on weight, Imean, and it was not minor
weight, it was at least ahundred plus pounds weight that
they put on these pictures.
Many people had shared theirbefore and after images on the
(54:05):
platform with jokes about howdifferently they looked.
However, others said there wasform of body shaming and should
not be permitted.
Tiktok said the filter had beenuploaded by CapCut, which is
separate from TikTok.
But if you actually knowanything about CapCut, which is
separate from TikTok, but if youactually know anything about
CapCut, it's actually owned byByteDance, which owns TikTok.
So they're actually.
They do everything together.
(54:26):
So I don't know why, they weretrying to say that other than oh
sorry, we didn't mean to dothat.
Dr Emma Beckett, a food andnutrition scientist, said that
this was a huge step backwardsin the term of weight stigma.
The fear of weight gaincontributes to eating disorders
and body dissatisfaction.
It fuels toxic diet cultures,making people obsess over food
and exercise in unhealthy waysand opening them up to scam
(54:46):
products and fad diets.
All the images and filters havebecome a commonplace on TikTok
and quickly accepted by many,including the Generation Zs and
millennials that enjoyremembering Snapchat filters.
See how awesome AI is, yeah,but filters like this, though,
seem to be damaging everyone'smental health.
All right, we're going to headout to our last commercial break
(55:07):
.
When we return, we have aNathan nugget and our pick of
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Speaker 1 (55:36):
This is your nugget of the week all right.
Nathan Mumm (55:39):
We talked about this at the beginning of our
predictions shows.
Remember when we said wethought that most of the
satellite phone, or most phones,will be using satellite.
Well, verizon now has a freesatellite messaging service
available for all that have therecent pixel and galaxy phones.
Verizon previously announcedthe satellite messaging service
is now available to owners ofsome Android smartphones.
The company said that add noextra charge to Verizon
(56:03):
customers.
If you have a Google Pixel 9 ora Samsung Galaxy S25 series
phone, you can take advantage ofthis.
Now the service allows people tosend and receive text messages
via satellite when they'reoutside of cellular range.
Recipients can be on anynetwork or any device.
The new feature is differentthan the satellite SOS feature
(56:24):
built in some of the new iPhonesand devices.
This is allowing you, if you'reoutside of the Verizon coverage
map, to look to the sky andsend text messages.
Now no video chats areavailable on top of your
mountaintop, so you can onlysend them text message.
But I guess the race to 5g hasnow turned into more of a space
race these days, with everybodymoving to satellite
(56:47):
possibilities.
So I don't know.
I don't think you have verizonas your carrier.
Do you have verizon as yourcarrier?
no, I have neither verizon nor agalaxy okay all right so, but
if you did have verizon, he hada.
Now, if you want to go up andmountain climbing or in the
middle of no man's land and youcan at least see the sky, you
can shoot up to a satellite andsend a text message to anybody
for any reason.
Mike Gorday (57:09):
Yeah, maybe we can send a toll.
What's that?
A toll message?
Nathan Mumm (57:14):
up on All right.
Well, now let's move on to ourpick of the day whiskey tasting.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
And now our pick of the day for our whiskey tastings
.
Let's see what bubbles to thetop.
Ody (57:27):
All right.
Again we're drinking from theVirginia Distilling Company, a
Virginia and Scotland blendclassified as a finished
American single malt aged fiveplus years, going for 50 bucks
and 120 proof.
What do y'all give it?
Mike Gorday (57:45):
Mike, we'll start with you.
I'm pretty sure I know what.
Nathan Mumm (57:46):
Nathan's going to say Well, I'm absolutely giving
it a thumbs up, but what are yougoing to say?
Mike Gorday (57:51):
I'm going to give it a thumbs up too.
It's very good.
I don't know that I would haveit on a shelf or anything.
Nathan Mumm (58:00):
Really yeah, I don't know that I would have it
on a shelf or anything.
Really yeah, I'm going tofigure out how to get this on
the shelf for $50 and for theproof here man your days can be
just beautiful.
Yeah you could bed in.
I have two kids that aregetting married all in the same
year right now so.
I need to take as much alcoholas possible.
Mike Gorday (58:17):
Yeah, you already did.
Ody (58:18):
Thank you, chris.
They gave it a thumbs up, andso did you.
Nathan Mumm (58:22):
Okay, Chris liked it too.
Ody (58:23):
Yeah.
Nathan Mumm (58:24):
See, mark would not have liked this.
I don't think.
Mike Gorday (58:25):
No I think that's what he said earlier.
Mark doesn't like 100%.
Nathan Mumm (58:30):
whatever, this is All right, you know what we want
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