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All right.
Today on Tech Time Radio,imagine placing an AI order for
dessert and getting somethinglethal.
Sounds absurd.
Well, ai might be playing arisky game with recipe
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Plus, what if your dinnerarrived today but your bill
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Is it a convenience or aslippery slope?
And while the AI world battlesfor dominancy in court, a single

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And then there's open AI takingon Elon Musk in a lawsuit
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But now it's time for thelatest headlines in the world of
technology.

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Here are our top technology stories of the week.

All right Story.
Number one OpenAI sues ElonMusk claiming bad faith tactics.
Now last week X sued Sam Altman, and so this week we're having
OpenAI sue Elon Musk.
I guess they're just going tokeep on suing each other until
they have it.
This is what I think we need todo.

Mike Gorday (03:10):
we need to get them both in a cage fight, and
whoever comes out victorious isthe winner.
What do you think that alreadyhasn't there?
Hasn't that already?

happened in some sort of elon's.
Tried to do a couple otherthings.

Hasn't he challenged people to a duel?
He has, where I don't know ifwe're in the 1500s or not.

Well, so you have OpenAI is suing Elon Musk, x is
suing Sam Altman, sam Altmanwill be suing Elon Musk and
every other entity between thembecause of AI.

Let's get Mark Zuckerberg in on this and see if
he'll do a cake Well you knowwhat.

I don't know if his AI is good enough to be
competing yet.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
So I guess, that's kind of the.

That's it All right , but you know what?
Let's go to Lisa Walker formore on the story.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
Mr Musk alleges that OpenAI strayed from its founding
mission as a nonprofit todevelop AI for the benefit of
humanity and is therefore inbreach of contract.
He left the company in 2018.
Is therefore in breach ofcontract.
He left the company in 2018.
This is about control.
Lightman said it has been adistraction from making AI safe

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and equitable.
That takes a backseat with allthis rigmarole over control and
monetization.
Lightman said OpenAI claims MrMusk has been spreading false
information about us in anex-post last week, adding Elon's
never been about the mission.
I don't know.

Do you think Elon Musk is on his own agenda?
Do you think that's what he'son?
Are you asking me that question, do?

you think that you know?
My father used to say that Imarched to the beat of my own
drum.
Yeah, that's exactly what elondoes.
He marches to the beat of hisown.
Everything he does is his ownagenda.
He doesn't do anything onanybody else's yes, so.

So here's what happened last week, we had a
lawsuit come on out.
This week we we have theessential counter suit opening
up.
But this is a battle betweenthe two Silicon Valley
heavyweights.
Both of them are acting in thebest interests of, they say,
open AI and the public.
So Elon Musk doesn't want toopen AI.

Let's get, let's get Solomon out here and
threaten to split it up with asword and see, see, who, who
likes it.

So so the the essentially Elon is saying that
he wants OpenAI to not go publicand continue to be a private
nonprofit organization so thathis grok can end up taking over
and being the dominant AI.
Which grok is actually 4.0.
It's actually pretty good.
Now they're starting toactually kind of make some waves

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and becoming in the battleitself.
Now OpenAI says, hey, forgetyou.
We want to become a for-profitcompany.
We can be better with that thanbeing the nonprofit.
We can go and do differentstuff.
We can hire more people,there's not as many regulations
and they can make lots and lotsof money.
They can, because the stockwould, of course, be worth that.
Now.
Now it's really interestingbecause last week a federal

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judge in oakland, california,set a march 2026 trial day.
So this is going to go all theway into next year, march 2026.
So they're going to just beback and forth sniping at each
other.
One will be doing it on x andthe other one will be doing it
probably on blue sky or someother platform, complaining
about each other.
It's interesting because theymay actually have a chance to go

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public before the actuallawsuit or trial date of 2026
even happens.
So OpenAI may be a publiccompany by the time this lawsuit
actually goes into effect andthey have that.
So Elon Musk is just onlinejust complaining, complaining
about open AI.
Open AI is just saying hey, ifyou want to sell us Twitter,
they don't even call it.
X.

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If you want to sell us Twitter,you know what, we'll buy it
from you, type of deal.
Now, in February we talked aboutthat Mr Musk made an
unsolicited bid for open AI tobuy it for $97.4 billion, which
Altman rejected and posted no,thank you, but we'll buy Twitter
for $9.74 billion.

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So this is actually the samenumber.
Move the decimal over.
Type of deal.
And so now we're in a battle.
So this is going to behappening for quite a long time.
These two AIs are going to keepon going against each other.
Now, elon Musk did help set upOpenAI as a nonprofit
organization and did helpfundraise for it as a nonprofit,
so he does have some legs tostand on, but he's just kind of

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being a little greedy, in myopinion, and I think they should
move on and go and do a cagematch and whoever wins owns the
decision-making process.
All right, let's go on to storynumber two, that's all you got
to say about that?
well, I mean, what else are wesupposed to say?
So sam altman is my buddy now.
I really like him, so I'm gonnaside with him until he goes

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crazy.
But I used to like elon muskback in the day until he went
crazy, yeah, until he went.
He may have always been, but atleast he hit it at first.

Yeah, elon lives in 80s science fiction.
He does, he lives there.

He kind of lives in his own little area.

You know I can't, you can't say much more about
that.
I can't say much more aboutthat, because if you look at
everything he does, it's allbased on what we grew up with in
science fiction, going to Marsdoing this AI stuff.

Electric cars Terminator 2.
Brain implants yeah, from theMatrix.
So he watches a movie fromHollywood and says, hey, I'm
going to actually develop thattechnology.
So you know what he needs to do.
He needs to work on atransporter.
You know what I want totransport?

from let's let him, let's rein him in a little bit.
He doesn't need to get rid ofthe government stuff.

Get him out of the government stuff.
Just tell him he can work on atrans.
Oh he's.
No, this is.
This is big thing now.
Yeah, just wait till he runsfor president in like four years
, and then trump will try to runfor president again too, and
then they could just have it outand they're minds's okay okay,
all right, I don't know why thatcame up, but hey, you know
let's talk about.
Let's talk about trump.
He's gonna try to go for athird turn okay, continue it on.

Yeah, okay, let's talk about how how a ai creates
uh, lethal recipes for you, okay?
So a new ai app called recipeninja AI, which was created by
an entrepreneur named TomBlomfield, has produced unusual
recipes that includeinstructions for making cyanide,

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ice cream, uranium bomb andother lethal or gross recipes.
Oh boy, vibe coding is a recenttrend where individuals with
minimal coding skills quicklycreate software using AI tools,
or maybe A1 tools.
I should use that.
Okay, that's a big.

Thing.

That's a big thing.
This week the Department ofEnergy not Energy Education Lady
was talking about it.
She called it being A1.
A1.
Okay, yep, and A1 did theawesome thing and took full
advantage of that today.
Oh, that's a good marketingsocial anyway.
Uh, this uh coding focuses onfunctionality rather than
efficiency.
Blomfeld mentioned that thisapproach helped him develop

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recipe ninja, the recipe forcyanide ice cream.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay starts with okay .

Cyanide ice cream Starts with mixing heavy cream,
milk, sugar and vanilla extract.
Okay, that sounds good, thatsounds like a normal thing to do
, but the next step instructsusers to add a lethal amount of
potassium cyanide powder, whichis extremely toxic and will kill
you If ingested right.
Yes.

Oh man, okay, All right Okay right, oh geez, oh
man.

Okay, all right.
Okay, this comes along withother bizarre dishes like
platypus, milk cream soup,cholera inspired chocolate cake
and a deleted recipe which Iwill not say on the radio.
Okay, but uh, you might.
You might have it come up withthe song bow bow, chicka, bow
bow.

Okay there you go, there you go.

There you go.
Anyway, it seems Blomfield hasstarted to implement content
moderation after usersdiscovered they could create
recipes that were eitherdangerous or nonsensical.
He expressed surprise I don'tknow why at how easily he could
integrate various AI toolswithout needing extensive coding
knowledge.
He emphasized that as long asthe application functioned

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properly, he didn't mind howmuch code it took to make the
work.
While having a voice-controlledrecipe app sounds appealing,
the lack of restriction onuser-generated recipes led to
the creation of dangerous andabsurd options, which is how
this always comes about when AIpicks up on these weird things.

It's always user generated, yeah, and people
always go, and then it just getsa huge bump.
So I almost think thatsometimes this is done on
purpose.

Well, maybe this is kind of like the tech
equivalent of a leaked sex video, for you know.

Why are you laughing?
Wow, okay anyway.

This situation is a continual illustration of the
risk associated with quicklydeploying generative ai tools
without proper oversight, whichyou know, we know there is very
little of that to go aroundanyway.
Blomfield, of course, did notreply to requests for comments
regarding the app.
This isn't the first time AIhas produced troubling food

(12:27):
related results, you know, likelast time we reported on glue on
pizza.

Yeah, so what goes into somebody deciding to make
this AI tool that does thesetype of items?
I mean, clearly, cyanide icecream.
Well, I'm pretty sure he didn'tstart with this idea in mind.
That does these type of items,I mean clearly cyanide ice cream
.

Well, I'm pretty sure he didn't start with this
idea in mind.
No he started with that.
He was like, hey, this mightmake me some money by making it
easy to make recipes.
And then he did what everybodyelse does.

So he probably was using a generic large language
model.
He probably didn't put anyhooks in there to keep it safe.

Probably OpenAI right.

It could have been the open AIs, because it's still
the non-profit version of anolder one, and then he could
just make cyanide ice cream.
Just think if you actually didthat and then give that to
somebody and you say hey, mydefense is that I got this
online.

Actually, that would end up in the court system
as being I didn't know, it wasbad.

Speaker 6 (13:25):
How that?

would end up in the court system as being I didn't
know it was bad.

Well, how did you get the potassium cyanide?
Well, you know, I had to go dosome illegal things to get that.
That's right.

All right, okay, all right, ready for story
number three.
This is interesting.

I don't know.
You want to talk about icecream some more, maybe some of
the soup.

No, none of the soup.
We're going to stay away fromthe soup.
There you go.

Bounce, bounce.

That's right.
All right News has sparked aheated debate about predatory
practices of BNPL companies.
Do you know what BNPL standsfor?
Buy now BNPL, yeah.
No.
Buy now, pay later.
Now, should you be able tofinance your mcflurry order.

If you have to finance a mcflurry order, you
shouldn't be getting a mcflurry,okay that's what we're going to
talk about.

All right, swedish fintech firm and they're called
klarna, so it's like karmaessentially, with klarna is now
the name for it has partneredwith doordash karma.

For me is that just like some sort of so karma.

So they're actually , they applied for karma as
their main trade name.
That's why.

Speaker 6 (14:26):
That's why I know that.

Yeah, so so they got stuck with Klarna.
K L A R N A is partnering withDoorDash to offer buy now, pay
later options for fooddeliveries.
The initiative is noteworthyadvancement in the expanding of
everyday spending categories.
According to the chiefcommercial officer, david Sykes,
with this partnership withDoorDash, customers can finance

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their delivery purchase througha series of monthly payments.
It's a significant win becauseit's directly responsive to the
financial strains Americans areexperiencing, particularly as
inflation affects food prices.
Is that how they look at it?

That's how they look at it, okay well, so that's
how they look at it.
It's how they look at it.
Okay, so that's how they lookat it.
It's a significant win, becausewe can make more money off of
these people.

Now the question in play is should you be ordering
DoorDash if you're unable to payfor that order in full?
That is what I'm going at Now.
Rising consumer demands andinflation concerns have come on
out, and the Pew Researchrecently revealed that 73% of
Americans view inflation astheir primary economic concern,
with grocery prices being asignificant issue.

(15:32):
Now Klarna offers variouspayment options, including Pay
in Full, pay in Four and PayLater.
Now, the Pay in Four allowscustomers to split their payment
into four interest-freeinstallments.
Well, pay Later enables them topostpone payments for up to 30
days without interest.
Now, these versatile paymentoptions have proven so popular
that they made Klarna a notablestandard in how Americans make

(15:55):
purchases.
Now I am totally strugglingwith this buy now, pay later.
I do not get why I would ordergroceries if I, if I can't go to
the store and pick up groceriesby riding a bus I mean I, if I,
if I'm financially not able topay for my bills, I should be

(16:17):
able to a use a communitytransit or some type of transit
utility to go to a grocery store, buy my or go to a place that
will help me, you're talkingabout financial enslavement here
.
Okay.

This is a way of these companies jumping on the
bandwagon, of basicallyenslaving people with continuous
because let's take a look atthis yeah, how often do you buy
groceries?
My wife buys them, I think,three or four times a month, so
once a week maybe oh yeah once aweek if you have one week, and

(16:52):
I'm not a financial planner inany sense of the word, but
mathematically this is just thestupidest thing ever, right?
Yeah, if I buy groceries thefirst week of the month and then
I split those payments out tofour payments, yep, and then I
buy groceries the next week andsplit those payments out, I now
owe two payments.
And then the third week, I nowowe three payments.
And then the fourth week, I nowowe four payments that are

(17:14):
going to be existing out overthe next few months.
Yes, and so each time I do that, I build a greater and greater
debt load to this company, sothat I will always be buying
food, and if I always buy themwith this this pay now or buy
now, pay later option, I will beindebted to that food company

(17:37):
forever, long after I stopeating food.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is correct.
I I don't get this.
So od your generation, wouldyou?
So, as you know, this could bea generational gap, because I
talked with other people andthey're like, oh, this isn't a
big deal, I'll make sure I payfor it.
Would you ever buy something onDoorDash and say I'll pay later
?

Ody (17:57):
So personally, no, but that is because I know how to manage
my credit cards, so I don'tneed if I am in an emergency
situation and I don't have themoney on my debit card.
I have a bunch of credit cardsto choose from.
But I have a friend whoactually loves Klarna because

(18:20):
their credit score is not asgreat and they'll use Klarna for
the buy now or buy in forpayments and it's easier to get
than a credit card and it's lessof a of a risk.

I want to say okay how is it less of a risk?

Ody (18:35):
well, I see it as less of a risk because they show you like
, oh, you just have to make uhlike 30 payments four times and
that, to them, looks smaller,looks better and more manageable
than the like oh, pay this offin a month, that's the problem.
That is the problem.

But so attractive.

Ody (18:54):
This is exactly the same trap.

This is exactly the same trap as using your credit
cards to buy groceries and other.
What do you call those?

Ody (19:05):
I can't think of the term necessities.

Yeah, they're revolving, and this is the exact
same problem that payday loancompanies do.

Ody (19:14):
Yes, so I see it as a less harsh payday loan.
I haven't seen that people arelike constantly into the Klarna
kind of thing for groceries.
I've seen it for big events orconcerts and stuff like that.
That's what I've seen it beingused for.
Or vacation.
The everyday necessities iswhere I kind of like okay, I see

(19:35):
it as more like another creditoption if you can't get a card.

Yeah, I just don't know why I'd pay somebody to
deliver me.
I have to pay a delivery fee on.
Doordash and then I have toideally tip the person, because
the person is doing it for a tip.
So there's an additional costand then that also gets financed
in there.
So if I get up and I go and buygroceries myself, I don't.

I don't know how you could have a struggle with
this.
I mean this this is badfinancials, and what it also
does is what we don't thinkabout is encourage encourages
people to buy more stuff thatthey don't need yeah, yeah so
yeah, if I have.
If I have, you know, 100 bucksin my pocket for groceries and I

(20:18):
go in the grocery store, I canonly buy a certain amount of
things in the grocery store.
Yeah, so I buy cheaper so I buy.
Yeah, so I'm forced, I'm forcedto moderate my spending in order
to feed myself right hydraxwell, you know, but that was the
original cookie.
I know, I know because theoreos are too expensive anyway,
back to back to that.

(20:38):
But if, if I have the option, ifI have the option of buying
groceries, uh, and then split itinto a payment that I have to
pay 30 today then I am in mybrain.
My brain's going okay, we can,we can get more stuff, and so
we're actually inflating thatgrocery bill well then, maybe I

(21:02):
don't know I see it from the waythat my friend uses it.

Ody (21:05):
I feel like I don't think she would go for the everyday
item like groceries, okay, butfor something like a concert or
a vacation.
It makes a lot more sense toher that way?

Okay, all right.
Well, you know what?

Ody (21:18):
But that's not the average consumer Florida's out there,
it's now.

That's all.
Keep talking.

Go talk to financial advisors.
They'll tell you exactly thesame thing.
This is a bad financial move.

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Today, mark gregoire, a whiskeyconnoisseur, is in studio and
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What are we tasting?

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today is a overhauled monongahela mash.
Straight rye whiskey kasuntite,are you okay?
Where do they get that titlefrom Overholt Managahila Mash?

Straight Rye Whiskey Gesundheit, are you okay
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Where do they get that titlefrom?

Well, let's talk about that from Old Overholt's
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Abe Overholt pioneered Americanrye whiskey with conviction.
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The first release of A Overholtfeatures this Monagahela mash.

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Centuries ago, farmersdistilled in the Monagahela
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As straightforward as ever.
So it was named after thevalley which is, I believe, an

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Okay, all right.
And this is from beams fromtory, which is a distilled at
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It's a straight rye.
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Dude, this is good.

This is really good .
What do you think, Mike?

I think it's an interesting taste.

It has an interesting taste.

I did for the first time, actually single out the
honeysuckle For the first timeor the first time I tasted
something that's in yourdescription of all the things
and tastes in there.

Did you get any brown butter?

Maybe I don't know.

Maybe, but I definitely had that sweet
honeysuckle taste.

All right, this is not a cork top, though is it, is
it a screw on?

top.
It looks like screwing right itdoes, let's just unscrew it pop
.

Oh, it's a cork.
Oh, look at that cork topnathan just made soup.

Yeah, you know what ?

wow, there you go.
Oh, it's a junk, all right,well.
Well, we'll see how thiscontinues to go.
With our whiskey tastingcompleted our our first segment
are you sure that's actuallyreally good?
Yeah, I had a little bit, maybetoo much.

Today we're more that you can have.
Okay, well, that's good, Idon't need to bring it home
really you don't like this, huhwe'll talk about all right, okay
, all right.

Well, I don't think you should have home Really.

You don't like this ?
Huh, we'll talk about that, allright, okay, all right.
Well, I don't think you shouldhave it.
Today we bring back the funnyyet informative reading of
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This includes scam, phishingemails, texting scams and
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All right For all those that arewatching.
What we do is we have aroundtable.
We go to each one of ourindividuals here that have a
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I'm going to go first today andthen we'll go Odie, mark and
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Now they cut and pasted all theinformation from the Seattle
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Too bad, that doesn't actuallygo to the person or anything
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The website doesn't have arequest for complimentary
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Now, the Google form is veryimpressive.
It has a lot of the informationfrom the actual summit itself,
taking a real life event andactually, just adding an
additional S to the email domainname that they have, they're

(27:37):
able to collect data andinformation about what your
salary ranges are, your titles,your information, because that's
all a part of the form to fillout, which is pretty standard
for some of these events thatyou attend regularly for like a
security summit, and then theyget your information.
Now, once you submit theinformation, it takes you to a
confirmation page, and theconfirmation page actually has

(27:57):
this kind of unique differenceit doesn't have the actual logo
to the event itself.
It has another logo that theylooked like they grabbed off of
a website that they used for asecurity summit from someplace
else, and so, after I filled itout, I actually thought this was
pretty much legit.
I filled it out, and then, allof a sudden, I see that it is

(28:17):
not legit, though it had allthat information that was
available to share, and so if Iwasn't on my PC that I do this
and I wasn't actually payingattention, I would have sent all
that information in the googleform to this company that was
phishing my information I'msurprised I didn't add a little
credit card like even thoughit's a free registration, like

(28:38):
hey, you can get some extraspecial parking or an upgraded
something, just put in yourcredit card that's it.
There you go.
They should have done somethinglike that.
That would have been even abetter way to do it.
So they just really werefishing for information and they
get all the information aboutthe person and they can build a
setup for that.
All right, we're going to gonow to story number two.
Odie, what do you have in frontof you?

Ody (28:58):
Do you need a business credit card or?

Speaker 7 (29:02):
business line.

I do not.

Ody (29:03):
Well, lee Cottom has been sending you emails saying do you
need fast funding?
They've got you covered and itlooks pretty legit.

Honestly, they should call Klarna yeah.

Ody (29:15):
Their next competitor.
It says please click what weknow DocuSign to start your
application.
So it says DocuSign application, upload your documents.
And it's really you know itlooks legit.
Know it, looks legit it looksreally legit and they're putting
like requirements.
They say all the benefits ofhaving it and how quick you can

(29:35):
get it, like two to eight hours.

Apply now, your credit line awaits I'm surprised
you didn't apply for this, withtwo weddings coming up.
Yeah, no kidding zero too yeah.

You can clarinet those?

weddings.
That's right, there you go.
I can pay for them later.
So this is an interesting one.
So everything looks legit onthis company, right, except for
what happens when you actuallyclick on the DocuSign link.
And DocuSign does not have aorg, so they actually are.
It's a com company, so it hasthe whole DocuSign document and

(30:08):
it has it hosted in a dot orgplace.
So unless you actually arepaying attention to it, I'm sure
thousands of people have filledout this information given them
they want to know.
In the process you are supposedto upload documents which are
last two bank statements, lasttwo months bank statements.
So they're getting all of yourinformation on your bank,

(30:29):
they're seeing it, what yourtransactions are, and then what
happens is you do get denied.
So I actually filled this outas as a test.
Uh, they come back to you andthey say, well, sorry, your
credit isn't taken care of and Ithink it's an auto deny because
I made it sound like I was abillionaire and a half and I
didn't have anything to worryabout.
And um, they still came backand said that it was denied.

(30:52):
And I said, well, how could itbe denied I have such great
credit?
Oh well, we didn't pull anycredit report.
That's why it's this fastfunding.
But we need you to do this,this, this.
So they keep on going down andthey want more bank statements
and they want some legalstatements.
They want to make sure you're aus citizen.
So it's just long-term uhcollection.
That's a lot of that's a lot ofwork.
That is, and they do resell iton the dark web and they're

(31:13):
they're one of the premierlocations for information.
And now let me just tell youhow the dark web is becoming a
competitive marketplace.
So before it used to be thatyou'd only find like information
or one or two different places.
Now there's a competitionmarket on the dark web of where
you get your information.
Well, my information is lessthan three months old, my
information is less than sixmonths old and mine may be $15 a

(31:35):
user to get it, but I'm goingto give you the most accurate.
So you'd now have a competitivemarketplace for thieves that
are selling your data becausethey are getting so much data.

Yeah, and all this, all this crap works because
human beings are too poor to payattention.
Yeah, that's right.

Ody (31:49):
I mean, if we look at the email it's, it says it's from
lee cottom, so like an actualname, and it says apply at sand
age consultantscc.
Sendcom.
That looks like a legit email.
Does it have all those funkywords and letter?

combinations.

Ody (32:03):
They're getting a lot more sophisticated, yeah but then the
important thing to remember is,if you're not actively looking
to get a new line of credit,there's no reason why you should
be receiving these emails yeah,and it's so.

What's really interesting is that a lot of
these have tracking and there'ssome, there's some new
applications out there they'regetting really good that you can
attach to your email that willshow you if there's a tracking
token on this.
So they want to see a if I, ifI click on this, and then, once
I click on it, how long it goesfrom here and there.
So they're getting prettysophisticated.

So you got to apply old guy tactics to this, and
what is that?
Just don't Ignore all youremails.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
Ignore everything.
Ignore all of them.

All of them.
All of them are bad.
Yes, all emails.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
Okay, email.
Okay, all right before.

I don't even open up an email, just just just
so before I do my story, I wantI do have a question, nathan
sure, on this.
So with the competition on thedark web for the marketplaces,
how is your marketplace doing?

I don't have a marketplace, but, but I but I
don't have a marketplace ofinformation, um, but I do go and
take a look and see what theyhave about me, and so sometimes
they have some pretty goodinformation.
I'll be honest, they have somereally good.
They go and take a look at myLinkedIn stuff.
Somebody is doing a pretty goodjob of keeping up to date, so
I'll pay 15 bucks every once ina while to do that.

(33:18):
Do you know?
You can do this in the socialmedia world by just going into
Google and there's a way thatyou can actually search for
keywords that get announced outin the press or in major email
addresses, so you can actuallygo on in there and do a search
for your Google keywords andthen, anytime there's an email
or a big press release thatcomes on out, you can actually

(33:38):
get alerted to that with GoogleAlerts.

So there are companies that scrub your
information from the Internet.
Yes, do those work.
They're pretty good.

Okay work.
Oh, they're pretty good.
The okay yeah.
Yeah, they're pretty good.
I mean the information thatthey have out there on me is
probably about six to eightmonths old, um, but it's pretty
valid.
I mean it has my mother'smaiden name.
It's got a whole tree of of myparents and my brother and my
sons and my wife and all theinformation, oh you did 23andMe,
did you?
No, I didn't do 23andMe, no,they just have all that

(34:11):
information.

Sounds like a Nathan Nugget for next week.
Oh, there you go.
Okay, well, I have a throwbackone.
Okay, this is one that ourgeneration used to get all the
time, and maybe it's new for theyounger generation, but it's
Roundup claims, so it's aRoundup lawsuit.
If you've been suffering fromcancer being exposed to Roundup,
please click here.

Oh yeah.

That was a real case.
Yeah, so it was.
Now did you realize that thecase has already been taken care
of?
Yeah, it's been taken care offor a while now, so I don't know
where this new case came on up,because it doesn't actually
exist.
But tell me more about youremail there, mark.
Does it say where it came fromand everything it's from?

Roundup Claims Okay, copyright with some IP
address Okay, ooh, that's alittle odd.
Yeah from MailChimp, okay from.

MailChimp, so they use a third-party known tool to
send out this deal that I canclick on the link.

So guess what happens when you click on the
link.
Oh, I'm sure it goes somewherewhere you got to put in a bunch
of stuff.

It does put in a bunch of stuff, but that has it.
So this is like scare tactics101.
They got big red flasheswarning cancer, warning cancer.
You can have this.
Make sure you live the bestlife that you can before you die
of cancer.
You probably have cancer, andso the first thing they want to
do is they want to know if youhave medical insurance on this
farm and, if so, you need to putin your medical ID and

(35:34):
information so they can makesure they can work with your
medical provider so they can getyou a cancer screening test
done immediately After you fillout your information all which
it looks really legit thatthey're going to try to help you
to see if you have cancer.
If you don't have cancer,they're going to do this whole
test for you.
Then they ask you how you'regoing to pay for it, that you
need to pay a small deposit forit because they have a $49

(35:57):
filing fee.
So they have a deposit.
So you put your credit cardinformation in.
That is probably the worstphishing information that you
would have to fill out to getyour free money because of your
Roundup claim.
That does not exist.
So it did exist back in the olddays.
There was a claim.
It's been already settled.

(36:18):
There is no more money to beclaimed from that, so these are
all just fake.

Maybe they sent this out because the old people
are stuck.
Like Mike said, they're beingold cronjums.
Yeah that's right clicking onanything but, now they see their
roundup and they're like dude.
I use roundup all the time inthe old days.

That's right and I have cancer there you go all
right.

Last but not least, let's go to your email here.
Why is mine the funnest?
Well, yours is.
Yours is something we talkabout.
Some of these are kind ofrepeating, but it's still always
good information to have okay.

Well, this is for mailinfoac at geomaticasn.

On behalf of email service alert okay, don't don't
know any of those companies, butokay ah, that's a, that's a
cool one to customer numbernumber yeah, at coinbasecom.

Oh, at coinbase yeah.
You don't even know your number.

It has a number here.
It says customer and a number.

Is this your customer number?

No, I don't have that customer number.
You're not customer 08755387?
.

No, oh darn, I guess I can't help you out there
.
The new login attempt has beendetected on your account.
Ooh, on your account.

Coinbase oh, that's where I have all my
cryptocurrency.

We talk about it because that is a good site, hey
, but this is not capitalized,so that's pretty off-putting for
me.

If you have a company, you probably start with
capital.
You should have a capitalizedletter there.

I'm pretty sure Coinbase thinks of itself not as
a lowercase name.
I'm pretty sure You're right.
Okay, so this is a common thing.
I get these all the time Newlogin attempts.
A new login attempt has beendetected on your account.
Please review the login detailsbelow.
This has a date and time and IPaddress from a location in

(38:04):
Singapore using a Samsung GalaxyS21 Ultra.
If this login attempt was notauthorized by you, please reach
out to our support team rightaway to protect your account and
asset.
Now it has a number.

Speaker 6 (38:19):
It has a number.

An actual phone number.
Okay, kind regards Coinbase.
Now, when I get these, I getthese every time I log into my
stuff from different places.
Right, okay, okay.

But they never tell you to call the number no
because it's an attempt.

Yes, if it's an attempt, I don't need to bother,
because they didn't get in.

Yeah.

If it's me, I know, because I have to do my.
What is it?
What is it?
Two-step, three-step,eight-step, two-factor
authentication, eight-factorauthentication where I have to
open up 50 million, bajillionlittle apps and click on things.

That's good for you .

Yeah, that's really good.
This is another one aimed atthe older generation.
Odie, would anybody in yourgeneration pick up the phone and
actually make a phone call?

Ody (39:04):
No, no, never Chat bots away.

Yeah, okay, All right.
So did you call the number?
I did not call the number.
Why not I?

did not call the number.
Why not I did not on thecustomer support line number
because most of the time thatthey're taking care of it, I was
just trying to do let's callthem right now.
Call them right now.
We have the technology to dothat.
But we have to be careful,because if they actually come on
the line and we're not tellingthem we're recording them, then
we'll get in trouble.
What yeah?

Ody (39:31):
You have to tell me you're recording.

They're literally performing a scam.
Why won't they do it?
Well, have you ever seen theWashington state law for making
sure you're recording?

Well, all we have to do is hey, hey, we got your
thing, we're doing a radio showhere.

We want to do that.
You know what?
Next time we do letters, I willhook it up so that we can
actually call them live.

Yeah, maybe we should.
Okay, all right, let's do that.
All right, don't just ignoreyour emails.
That's ignore your emails, okay.
So this is the funny thingabout all the stuff that we talk
about.
Yeah right, yeah, it's.
It's exactly like we did in theearly 90s.
Yeah, ignore your emails.
Write down your passwords on anotebook, yeah.
Uh.
Don't click on pop-ups, okay,because you know what that, what
happens there.
It takes you someplace else,okay.

(40:17):
This is all the stuff we usedto do before the AI and don't
listen to AI.

But I want to make a nice ice cream sandwich.

Hey, you know that better be the best ice cream
sandwich you've ever had,Because it'll be your last ever.

All right.
Well, that was our lettersegment.
We thank everybody forlistening to that.
Hopefully you found thatinformational.
Remember don't click on a linkIf you don't know where it's
from.
Just delete the email.
If somebody really needs to getahold of you, they'll figure
out a way to get ahold of you,either through snail mail or
actually get in touch with you.
All right, well, that ends upour segment.

(40:56):
Now we're moving on to Mike'smesmerizing moment.
Welcome to Mike's mesmerizingmoment.
What does Mike have to saytoday?
All right, we talked a littlebit about it, but I'm going to
do the same question here.
We're now the threshold of thebuy now, pay later BNPL.
Now I remember going to Kmartback in the olden days and doing
layaway.
Does anybody remember layawayand what layaway was about?
Yeah, okay, so layaway waspretty nice.

(41:19):
What happened is, if you wereat JCPenney's or Kmart and so
you could go to those stores,and if you really wanted that
Star Wars B-Wing fighter thatwas there and you wanted to make
sure you get it, what you coulddo is you could take it to the
back of the counter and youcould put it on layaway, and
what it did is there was noadditional price, but you would
have to come into the store andyou could make payments three or

(41:41):
four or five or six, howevermany payments you needed to
within a 90-day period.
And then after 90 days if youdidn't pay it all off they would
just keep the money and put theitem back on.

Yeah, but that wasn't buy now pay later.

That was that was.
Pay now, get later.
It was right now.
We're in the buy now, pay latermode what's your thoughts on
this?

my thoughts on this .
Okay, so I have a favoritenewscaster that I watch
regularly on youtube all right,and he has a really good thing
to say, and this is, uh, philDeFranco.
I don't know if you know whothat is, I do not, but okay,
don't be stupid, stupid.
Okay, that's what he says.
Yeah, don't be stupid stupid.
This is this is this is not agood thing.
Okay, this is this, trappedinto a non-ending system, and it

(42:39):
takes advantage of yourpsychology in such a way that
you, like I said earlier, itencourages more spending than
you would normally do if youdidn't have the money in the
first place.
It places you into a systemwhich you are likely to keep
spending in order to keepgetting what you want, and then
it keeps you on the financialhook, just like credit cards do,

(43:00):
because credit cards, thecredit card companies, have been
doing this for years and yearsand years, and they got it down
to a science.
Because if you're just payingyour minimum payment you're
never, ever going to pay offthat credit card.
They're going to keep gettingmoney and they don't care, they
don't care if you give them 30bucks a month, because when you

(43:22):
multiply that by millions ofpeople, that's a lot of money
they're getting just from peoplejust paying that minimum
payment.
And if you think right nowthey're not charging interest,
just wait, just wait till youhave a lot of people doing this.
They're going to start chargingfinance charges.

And then you're going to have to agree to their
terms and conditions.
And you're already going tohave money in their account.

You're not going to be able to pay it all off at
one time.
Don't be stupid, stupid, thereyou go.

Okay, well, all right.
Well, I appreciate thatmesmerizing moment.
We're going to head out for acommercial break.
When we return, we have thisWeek in Technology, so now would
be a great time, if you havesome whiskey on the side, to do
some simping, as we'll be doingso also, see you guys in a few
minutes.
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Speaker 1 (45:10):
That's it, that's it, that's that simple and now
let's look back at this week intechnology all right, we're
going to march 18th, 1931, theintroduction of the first
practical electric razor.

Now jacob schick's second schicks schick schick
razors.

You remember those?

yep, jacob schick's second commercial electric
razor design hits the market.
His initial attempt, releasedin 1929, featured an awkward
layout with a cable connectingto the electric motor, the
shaving head itself.
Now, unsurprisingly, this modelstruggled to gain traction in
sales.
To keep his business afloat,Schick had to mortgage his home.
The new design improved, though, as upon placing the motor

(45:56):
inside the shaving head,significantly enhancing the
convenience.
Despite launching during theGreat Depression, Schick's
successfully sold 3,000 unitsthat year for $25 each about
$400 in today's market andreached 5 or 1.5 billion sales
by the end of 1937, thuspioneering the electric razor

(46:17):
industry.
Now, are you an electric razorguy or are you a manual razor
guy?

I use an electric razor nowadays.
Okay, same, I just don't haveenough going on.

Going on that.
You need to worry aboutanything else.

And plus if you use manual razors, they are ultra
expensive.

It does get expensive and I always end up
cutting myself just a little bit.
You know what's funny?
What's that?

I swear, one of the funniest things that is
happening in my lifetime.

Yeah.

We are going back to the way things used to be in
order to save money.
So now you can get online andyou can get these old shavers
that don't cost that much andthey're exactly the same things
my grandfather used to shavewith.

Yeah, the straight line type of deal.

Yeah, you buy the blades and you manually stick it
in this razor and you use itand you get the blades now for
pennies on the dollar instead of$80 on the dollar.

So we're all going back.

We're all moving backwards as we move forward.
It's funny.

That's right.
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Speaker 1 (48:20):
The segment we've been waiting all week for Mark's
Whiskey Mumble.

Hey, you're dancing out over there, all right.

Do you think old boy over here was a little off
the mark?

He's been drinking a little bit.
We just went and did a timewarp.
It is really April 15th.

Not March 18th buddy.

Somebody forgot to update their script from a
month ago.

I saw it there, it was March.

What are we celebrating today, on April 15th
?
Not tax day.

No, no, no, I celebrate tax day every year.
Oh, do you Talking it out, mike?

Today is your day.
I've been picking on Nathan but, today is your day, all right.

What is it?
Why is it?

my day.
What is it?
It's National that Sucks Day.

Oh.

Oh, that's every day.
So this was created by anAmerican web content producer
who rightly observed that thedate on which the holiday is
observed today, April 15th, isquite notable for several
unfortunate events andoccurrences.
Okay, two of the most notabletragic events associated with
April 15th are Tax Day.
Well, that wasn't one of them,but yeah, that's a good point.

(49:35):
Okay For in the US.

Oh, the sinking of the Titanic.
Titanic, oh, I knew that.

And the day Abraham Lincoln died, oh was
shot, huh.

Or is it the day he died, or was he shot?
He died, okay.

Okay, so yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
This is National Suck Day.
It is National Suck Day, yeah.

Oh no, what was that?
That was your.

Oh no.

That's your clip from your thing.
Is that my clip?
That's your potato, potato,tomato, tomato, whatever that
one is, whatever.

Pecan, pecan, tomato, tomato.

There you go All right, okay, all right.
You know what?
Odie has?
A whole bunch of sayings.
We're going to create the bestalbums of Mike's.

Where's the Hooked on Phonics one?

Speaker 6 (50:16):
I haven't heard that in a long time.

Hooked on Phonics worked for you, didn't it?
If he?

releases.
This might be bigger than aWilliam Shatner or Leonard Nimoy
album.
Uh-oh, what Remember when theydid their speaking album.

Oh yeah, have you finished Center Seat?

I'm going to drink more stuff, the
documentary, almost.
No, I got two episodes left,okay.

Did you find interesting the Rathacon episode
?
Did you find that interesting?
Wait, wait, wait, hold on, holdon.
I don't care what's that?

Let's get back on it being National.
You Suck Day.
Okay, alright.
Back to Mike's day Alright.

So I am celebrating today with you, mike
, by bringing in this whiskeyNow.
Overholt is a historic ryewhiskey brand that originated in
Pennsylvania.

Speaker 6 (50:59):
This doesn't suck.

Well, we'll get to that.

Okay.

Where the rocky soil favored the rye grain and
helped establish the state'sreputation for quality rye
whiskey.
In recent years there's been apush to formally recognize
Pennsylvania rye defined asbeing made in the state with at
least 50% rye grain Originallyproduced in Pennsylvania.
Overholtz production moved toKentucky after Beam's

(51:22):
acquisition in 1987, along witha mash bill change that added
corn originally.
The release of A OverholtzStraight Rye here aims to
restore the brand's traditionalroots by removing the corn and
returning to its original stylemash bill, although it is still
aged and distilled in Kentucky.
Now I am not a fan of thiswhiskey, but partly because it's

(51:47):
20% malted barley and that's mythreshold that shuts down my
taste buds.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Do you?

know anything that's 20% or over on malted
barley.
It's just not my personal taste.
It's nothing against thewhiskey in particular, it's just
me.
Okay on this flavor.
Okay now, I did put this in acocktail and my wife asked me
never to make anything with thisfor her again, what with this
particular eye.
So it's not her style either.
Okay, um, finally, it's alittle young, it's complexity

(52:13):
and it is a bit underproof forwhat it is.
But if you just want an easysipper that combines kind of
that single malt flavor with arye spice, this would be for you
.
Oh man, I can tell you this isfor me, so that's why, when I
talked to Mike before the show,I thought he's either going to
love this or hate it, becausehe's been a big uptick on rye
and he's always enjoyed singlemalts and this is kind of

(52:36):
blending those two in one.

Yeah, that makes sense, and it wasn't far off the
mark.

All right, well, whiskey and technology are a
great pairing just like peanutsand popcorn and the invention of
Cracker Jacks.

Oh, come on Really.
Oh, that's another thing thatsucks.
What?
Oh, come on Really.
Oh, that's another thing thatsucks.
What's that Cracker Jacks?
I can't eat Cracker Jacks.

Why that does suck.
They used to get a toy in it.
Now you only get a sticker.
What's that?
They used to give you littletoys in there, but then I guess
people are swallowing theseplastic toys from China and
they're probably okay.

Yeah, leave it up to people to mess up the things
we love to do, that's Do youeven know what Cracker Jacks is
Do you know what Cracker Jacksare, Odie.

No, look at that.
That's the stair lick of no.

She's going to now Google it during the office,
take me out to the ball park.

Ody (53:21):
I've definitely heard the term.
I don't think I've ever hadthem though it's a box.

Don't go looking for it, there you go.

All right, is it still on?
Is it still?

on yeah, there's some, okay, there's some.
I haven't seen it in like yearsand years, let's prepare for
our technology fail of the week.
Congratulations, you're afailure.

Speaker 7 (53:40):
Oh, I failed.
Did I yes, did I yes.

All right.
This week's technology failcomes to us from fake news cited
on all major outlets that camefrom an ex-post.
You mean Twitter, well, orTwitter, yeah, or Twitter,
however, it depends on who'stalking about it.
Now I actually felt for thismyself.
I actually was in conversationswith people thinking that this
was real.
So here's what happened A falseex-post paused tariffs.

(54:07):
It said that President Trumppaused tariffs led to a
multi-trillion dollar marketswing.
Now the multi-trillion dollarmarket swing.
Now the multi-trillion dollarmarket swing on Monday.
No, it was on Monday.
It appeared to have set upfalse reports from Elon Musk.
X experts said uh, highlightingthe endurance uh factor.
What happened is at 8 30 AM, thenational economic council's

(54:30):
Kevin Hassett was asked during alive Fox news interview whether
President Trump would considera 90-day pause to the sweeping
tariffs he imposed on manycountries last week.
Hassett responded I think thepresident's going to decide.
What the president is going todecide Now.
X then took this and morphed itinto a bogus headline that
Trump was considering 90-daypauses on tariffs on all

(54:51):
countries except China.
Now it appeared on an accountcalled Hammer Capital was the
first to share the false reportabout 10, 11 am, and the account
then had 1,000 followers and ithad, of course, a blue
verification badge.
So everybody thought it was real.
Now other people picked it upand soon, all of a sudden, you
had Reuters, cnbc, cnn and allthe major news outlets running

(55:17):
with this headline.
Now, interesting is, the NewYork Stock Exchange trading firm
had this information also andall of a sudden there was a big,
huge influx of the marketmoving upward, not downward with
this information.
But then all of a sudden, theWhite House denied the report.
Reuters and CNBC soonbacktracked they actually ended

(55:39):
up removing it, and then, all ofa sudden, the market tended to
trend down Did it plummet.
It did so.
It had gained $2.4 trillion bythat time at 10.08 am, and then
it fell back to normal closing.
By that time at 10.08 am, andthen it fell back to normal
closing.
So, by having a fake AIX tweet,you had information that

(56:00):
affected our global economy tothe tune of $2.4 trillion.

You know, I worked in the financial field back in
the 90s, back before theInternet, in the 90s okay, and
we used to talk about how funnyit was to see how human behavior
affected the markets.

Yeah.

This is a really good analogy.
Well, yeah, it's not an analogy, but it's a really good example
.

So I thought it actually happened too.
I started texting some peoplesaying, yeah, it's really great
that this tariff happened, andnow it's on pause, and now we're
not going to have to worryabout it, everything's going on.
And then we had a whole bunchof conversations with a bunch of
other people oh yeah, that'sgreat, it's on pause.
And then we all found out itwas fake.
All right, you know what?

(56:44):
Speaking of some fakeinformation, uh, I was just at a
security conference and we'regoing to talk about that on our
Nathan nugget.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
This is your nugget of the week.

All right, so here's what my nugget.
I just returned from a securityconference in Florida.
Now we're talking to be talkingabout.
Everything at this conferencewas was very interesting.
We had deep fakes all overeverywhere.
Taylor Swift, Muhammad Ali allattended our conference and full
getup.
Taylor Swift was askingquestions and responding to

(57:17):
questions about security she'svery smart to.
Muhammad Ali was talking abouthis upcoming boxing match that
he's going to have and all of itseemed awful real, except for
Muhammad Ali is no longer aroundand Taylor Swift did not join
us.
These were all done by reallive action AI taking and
morphing in information that wasout.

(57:39):
There Was somebody behind themain stage listening to the
questions and relating to theorganization that was there.
It's called Know Before KB4Conevent that I was at and it looks
so live that you would notthink it was fake.

I'm going to put you on the hot seat again.
We talk about this stuff allthe time and you're always like
AI is so awesome, ai is so thisand so that, and then you go to
one of these things and thishappens to you.
Does that even change your mindat all?

So, here's the thing that I learned, not really
Muhammad.

Ali, come and talk to me.
That would be like, yeah,that's fake.
Yeah, right, but having TaylorSwift.

Taylor Swift even knew how the weather was.
She knew what we had forbreakfast.
I mean, she was.

This all makes sense.
When you came back from theconference you were so down and
disappointed you didn't reallyget to meet.
Taylor Swift Is that what it?

I'm not Swifty.
Are you a closet?

Swifty no.

I'm not a closet Swifty at all, so here's what we
got from this conference.
So it's very interesting,because all these people pretty
much said the government's notgoing to help you.
Best of luck, you better figureout how to do it on your own.
And if you don't, guess what,you're going to have to pay
millions and millions in fines.
But this is their solution forvideo conferencing and deep
fakes for your company to createa secret passcode like a kid

(58:56):
code back in the nineties.
We're going to go all the way.
Back in the nineties, when Iused to play outside, my parents
said hey, if anybody offers togive you a ride home or anything
, like that stranger danger.

Is that what you're bringing into this?
We're going back again.

So we had a kid code.
So now what they're saying todo this, to make sure that you
don't get deep faked by anyvideo conferencing software
that's out there, whether it'szoom or whether it's Microsoft
teams that your company shouldestablish a code word.
And every time that you have avideo conference, if they're not
able to turn on the videocamera, and even if they are,

(59:30):
and you're concerned that youshare your company's code out so
that everybody knows that it'sactually you, what do you think?

Banana, banana, that's your code word.
Okay, all right.
Well, I think we should, Ithink we're I think we're ending
the show.

I think we are.
I think we should create an appthat has these special codes.
I don't there isn't anyone onthe market yet.
I was just thinking there thewhole time.
We should create an app, yourwhole company signs up.

What to give you a safe word?

Yes, I'll have a safe word and then you can have
it like a two-factorauthentication.
Add it to Mike's.
I'll be Platypus Soup.
Okay, platypus Soup.
I won't be the other soup.
You're guys going to say whatdo we have here?

Mike Gorday (01:00:15):
Oh, this is definitely a thumbs up for me.

Nathan Mumm (01:00:17):
A thumbs up for you .
I'm going to say definitely athumbs up.
What are we tasting again, Mark?

Marc Gregoire (01:00:21):
Oh my goodness, this is A Overhold.
Monongahela Mashed Straight RyeWhiskey from Jim Bean, four
years, 95 proof, $40.
Okay.

All right, yeah, absolutely thumbs up.
I think that was fantastic.

I like the flavor profile.

I do too For $40?
.
Yeah, that's going to be.
I may move that on my secondshelf, not the top shelf.

Yours is the cost and the whole cool screw cap,
not a screw cap.
You see, my Travelers is upthere on my shelf, that's on my
second shelf.

You need a whiskey.
Chris level shelf.
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