From Championship Athlete to Dynamic Faith Leader: Pastor Tanya C. Stokes

Dr. Cecelia Martin welcomes Pastor Tanya C. Stokes, a Flint native and accomplished leader. She is co-founder of Family Worship Center Church International. A former honor student, athlete, and double major in Broadcasting cinematic arts and Journalism at CMU, she has been recognized in multiple athletic halls of fame. Tanya played a key role in shaping the worship culture of their church and is passionate about empowering women to reach their full potential. She is also an author, mother of four, and a dynamic speaker known for her practical, humorous, and inspiring style.

Tune in to hear the inspiring life journey of Pastor Tanya C. Stokes — from championship athlete and honor student to dynamic faith leader, author, and empowering voice for women. Her story is one of purpose, passion, and unwavering dedication to God's call. Don’t miss this powerful conversation!  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Welcome the Team Leadership Radio. I'm your host, Doctor Cecilia Martin,
and today I have with me a wonderful guest. Pastor.
Tanya C. Stokes is a prominent figure in the Flint
community with a strong background in leadership and a passion
for her faith. During her high school years, she was

(00:41):
an honor student class president for four years and co
captain of a four year Class A championship basketball team,
which she earned the honor of Athlete of the Year
in the City of Flint. Her team, the Flint Northern
Lady Vikens, has been recognized in the Flint Athlete Hall
of Fame. In two thousand and nine, Pasatonia and Flint

(01:06):
Northern Lady Vikens were inducted into the Greater Flint Afro
American Athletic Hall of Fame. A successful athlete and scholar
in her youth, she continued to excel in academics at
Central Michigan University, where she pursued a double major in broadcasting,
Cinematic Arts, and journalism. During her college years, her leadership

(01:29):
skills continued to emerge as she directed a gospel core group,
led Bible studies, and excelled in oratorical performance. After graduating
from college, she met and married Timothy R. Stokes and
co founded Family Worship Center Church International alongside her husband.

(01:49):
As the church grew by leaps and bounds, she played
a vital role in establishing the ministry's worship culture. Pasatonia
is a renowned author and motivation speaker known for her
practical and inspiring messages. Her focus on empowering women and
her dedication to her faith has made her a respected

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leader in the community. She has a heart to see
women of God reach their full potential while experiencing the
maximum quality of life. She is the author of several books,
one Hundred Ways You Can Save Money, How I Lost
Fifty Pounds, three hundred and sixty five Days of Victory,

(02:31):
The Day My Life Changed, Died Without Regrets, and her
newest work, Own Your Destiny. She could also be found
on Local TV Winning with Tanya Seed Stokes on Sunday
mornings at or Sunday's afternoons at five pm. She's a
bold preacher of the Gospel with a signature style of practicality, humor, encouragement,

(02:55):
and wisdom. Welcome past to Tanya see Stokes.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh, I'm so glad to be yes, thank.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You for joining me. First of all, I think I
need how I lost fifty pounds just after the holiday, right,
especially after the holidays. Maybe you know, other folks be
there too, and maybe they can hold to their New
year resolutions. Now, first of all, you're so beautiful, and

(03:25):
I'm just wondering, you know, having been an athlete, particularly basketball,
how tall are you actually?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
I'm always thought I was five to eight, and now
when I do physicals, they say I'm at least five
eight and a half five nine, So one of those
I've always gone by five.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Okay, all right, listen, I'm five too, so any few
inches I could get would be very helpful. But I
don't think I'm still growing. Now, you have been a
leader since you were a young girl in high school.
Us about your high school days.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Well, my high school days are some of the greatest
memories that I have. I went to a school called
Flint Northern High School and Armato was Lady Vikings, Home
of the Champions. And so it really did build a
culture of being a champion in me, a winning culture.

(04:25):
And I was involved in so many things in high school.
I was class president. I was for several years. I
actually it started in ninth grade, So ninth through twelfth grade,
I was class president. I was on the basketball team
and volleyball team, ran track, I was in Honor Society,

(04:46):
I was in the you know. So I had a
full experience in high school and I love it because
it was just just an opportunity for me to grow
and developed. I didn't know that I was developing as
a leader, you know. I just loved achieving, and later

(05:07):
on in life I was able to unpack, you know,
like the strengths and things like that, and and it
really pointed me in that direction. But I just had
a wonderful experience in high school athletics and then later
on we were inducted into the Hall of Fame and
things like that. We were able to enjoy great success.

(05:27):
And what I love about it most is that it's transferable,
you know, learned and gained. It really did follow my life.
And so even in I was and received self as
at the age of twelve, and.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
That was going to be my next question.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Okay, I feel like I was born and raised in
the church because I've always been in the church, and
I gave my heart to the Lord at the age
of twelve. And when in the Baptist Church they used
to have the oratorial speaking competitions, my sister was involved
and she won first in the nation. She placed first
in the nation, so I was like, man, that sounds interesting.

(06:07):
So I moved competition and practice and practice, and I
ended up placing third in the nation, which she heard
my tape and she was like, you won, And a
lot of people felt like I had won, which I
felt like I won. But that's but it was a
great experience. It's okay to have l you know. I've

(06:31):
learned that in life too, but it was just a
great experience. So not only in school but also in
church life. And so those those two things, just my
athleticism and leadership development and in spirituality.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Oh killers amazing that you were developing the three at
the same time. You know, your spirituality, your competitiveness, your
le borship skills, and really to some extent not really
knowing it. I mean, it seems like you were extremely competitive,
which is kind of unheard of in females, you know,

(07:10):
not to that degree. Like it sounds like you were
playing subtle sports and you were excelling and everything else
you were doing at the same time. And my court,
we have this age ol debate in leadership. You know,
are leaders.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
Born or are they made?

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Do you feel like you were born a leader or
that you were made a leader?

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Actually, when I went through the process of taking assessments
and things that we have learned in our ministry and
that we used to test people and help guide them with,
I really believe I was born in a leader. I did,
like you were saying, I really was not aware of it.
Like when I was on the basketball team, they would always, uh,

(07:52):
you know, they would select the who's going to be
the captain, who's going to be the poke captain or whatever,
and so I would always be in that in that selection.
Then when I became class president in ninth grade, I
just decided the thought just came to mind run for president.
Where it came from, I was already in something else, right, No,

(08:15):
my parents, so back in the day you know, they
had that little computerized paper you kind of type printed
out in this big piece of paper that just goes
that's kind of our banner, you know, time for president.
You know, oh my god. And they voted me in.
And that was in my at my junior high and

(08:36):
then we went to high school. So I just said, well,
even though I was playing basketball in the Martian band
and all that other stuff, I was like, well, hey,
you know, go ahead and run for president. I ran
for president. And they did the same thing. So all
the way through my senior year, they kept electing me
as president. And then it ran through my college years.

(08:56):
When I was in uh over the campus ministry and
over the choir, they put me hope that like, I'm like, listen,
I'm a freshman just coming in. You know, I don't
even understand it. I'm like, you guys are juniors and seniors.
But I just I just always accepted the responsibility. But
I didn't know. I still didn't know that I was

(09:17):
a leader. You know.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
It hadn't dawned one you quite yet, right, it hadn't.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
And a one prophet who came to the church really
explained it. He said, you have a strong administrative gift.
And he said, you're an administrator. You have a strong
administrative gift, and it's so natural in you that you
don't even see it as a gift, right, And that's
what happened. It was just like what an administrator was like.
Wasn't the world administrator is supposed to do? So? Yeah,

(09:47):
So I when I kind of followed the thread all
the way back to my early days in my youth,
I see that leadership was just naturally in me.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
And you know, it's interesting the course that you've taken
in life. And you know, I don't know if you
thought you would be here, but I know you majored
in broadcasting and journalism at Central Michigan University. Was journalism
your dream job or working in the arts? Were you
going to be a newscaster, a talk show host or

(10:22):
you know what changed because you clearly passed the Tanya Soukes.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yes, Yes, that's a really good question and one I
often revisit in terms of, okay, what's truly in my heart?
You know, when you want to just make sure that
you're on the right path and everything, but journalism, it's
still You're going to see the thread on how God
uses thing. Actually, I learned that I was a writer

(10:48):
when I took a journalism class in school. My dream
was to become a TV newscaster. And when I was
like twelve thirteen years old, and you watch the news,
and it was just something interesting that was happening on
the inside of me. As I watched the news anchors,
I began to mimic them, and I didn't know that's

(11:09):
that's like it was a dream that was being born
in me because I was like, you know, I'm tanyes
see Stoves reported nine from Channel twelve News. You know,
I could just mimic them. And so when I decided
to go to college, I was like, Okay, what am
I going to do? And I was like, well, let's
go into broadcasting. And then I took I was a

(11:32):
minor in journalism and I took the writing class. It
unlocked something in me and I enjoyed writing, and so
I decided to double major.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Because the competitive you are, why not do them both?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Absolutely? And then I think that like your gift is
also confirmed, like when you go through your classes, like
my professor, one of my professors said, you can go
as far as you want to in media and so
just words like that that you never forget, and I
really thought I was going to pursue that path after college.

(12:10):
It's a big world. You're like, what in the world
am I supposed to be doing? How do I even
get there? And so really didn't know what to do.
And in the meantime, I received a something in the
mail concerning a job opportunity with EDS to work for
Chevrolet Customer Assistance. So I ended up applying and it

(12:34):
was really my first job out of college. And it
was like forty five minutes away from where I live,
and I went and worked there. But it's interesting that
one day what they said, you know, I lived in
a campus area and I heard about a gospel concert.
So I went to the gospel concert and then they said, well,

(12:54):
we have Bible study on Monday night. So I went
to Bible Study and lo and behold that night at
my husband.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
And so so I'm thinking I didn't go into broadcasting.
I didn't go into you know, what about my dream,
you know and all that. But but God sent me
to the Pontiac area to work for EDS, to hear
about the Bible study, to go to the Bible study
and meet me. Six months later we married. Oh wow,

(13:26):
kind of the path that my life too.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
So six months you're married and you're still married for
how many years now? It's thirty seven, thirty seven years?
So maybe the long dating thing is the problem.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I don't know. I don't know. Now before we move on,
I do have to ask with your with all the
things that you've done in your career and with your
beauty and your height, you never considered modeling. You didn't
think about adding that to the point.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
That's so sweet of you, doctor Martin. You know, actually
I had in my heart when I just took so.
I did a photo shoot recently, and I was really
surprised at how the photos turned out because I'm the
type that it's interesting that, you know, my pastor's wife.
Let me just back up once. One time, I was like,

(14:18):
people are saying that I'm pretty. I don't understand. I
don't see what they're saying. She said, Well, basically, she
was like, that's a good thing. Just be you know,
you could stay humble. I didn't really. I was like,
I'm literally asking her. I'm like, why are people saying this?
You know? But in this recent photo shoot, I was like, man,
I look like a model, And I had that in

(14:38):
my heart when I was like twelve years old. But
it was something that came alive in me that I
hadn't really known was really there in that way because
I was a little bit nervous about the photo shoot
because you know, I turned sixty last year, and you
know this.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
That's what I'm saying. You put a forty year old
as shame. I mean, with no man up. You just
it's just, you know, And I was thinking too, as
an athlete, you know, you already had to build, so
you know, I would think that it would be a
natural thing to do. But Chris, and it's never too late.
You could certainly do it now. So yeah, thank you.

(15:17):
They go for it.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
That's sweet. I will consider that now.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
You have managed to keep, you know, your life intact
in spite of quite a few challenges. Tell us about
your children and how you were able to balance motherhood
and ministry. I know there were some challenges there with
conceiving and all of that. Tell us a little bit
about that.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, I am blessed, have been blessed with four children,
and my eldest son is thirty two. Now I have
to really be intentional about their ages. I think he's
thirty two, I believe, and he's an engineer. And we
have my daughter, our only daughter, Amber, and she is

(16:00):
twenty nine and she works at job Corps here in
flant But she's really she went to school for Michigan
State for English, so she really is more of a
creative person. So she's really trying to figure out what
to do with that degree. And then the son who's
writing under her is twenty eight and he has a

(16:21):
degree from Michigan State in film, and so he's wanting
to pursue that. He does a lot of he's a
videographer and does weddings and all those kinds of things.
He helps us at the ministry with media. And our
youngest son turned twenty three in September, and he has
a high intellectual gift. And he went to Michigan State

(16:43):
as well and graduated about a year and a half
ago and with the two degrees, one in neuroscience and
the other in physiology. And I believe he wants to
be a professor. So he works actually at a church
there over their youth program. He loves working with youth
and he's also a TA neural science program. So in

(17:07):
the midst of you know, yeah, all the stuff. You know, God,
by his grace, you know, enabled me to help guide
my children down the path that they foresaw for themselves.
And even we would in their youth, we would look,
you know, at them, and you know, God gives us

(17:28):
parents insight into what their natural beingd is, what they
lean towards, and you kind of raise them up and
aim them. But ministry is a beast and that whole
word balance is it's something that it probably looks different
for a lot of people based on their family and
it's hard to find, especially when you're in the throes

(17:50):
of it. We were young, I had an irregular pregnancy
in between my first born and my daughter. I had
a pregnancy that was called a molar pregnancy, and it
instead of the fetus for me developing, it was just cancer.
It terms cancerous. So I had an aggressive form of

(18:10):
cancer that by the time they found it it already
protruded the walls of my uterus. And they called me
like on a Thursday, and I had to go to
the oncologists on Monday. They checked me to the hospital
on Tuesday. I had to stop nursing my child my
first night, and it was really miraculous. Lost all of

(18:30):
my hair. Yes, I was completely bald. And because I
was on the maximum dosage of chemotherapy without killing you.
Because I had to ask the nurse, well, what does
it mean to be on maximum dosage? She said, if
we give you any more, it would literally kill you.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
I was like twenty eight. I think then.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Wow, and you have a full head of hair now too.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Yeah, thank god, bless me with my hairbag.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yes, yeah, that is amazing. I didn't even know that
pregnancies could turn cancerous, so that's information. Wow.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
It was crazy because I was like, well, how am
I pregnant? Well how did this happen? But it was
one of the it is one of the birthing places
actually for my ministry. I didn't I never really saw
myself as a preacher or whatever. I came out of
that experience preaching. I didn't even prophesied. But I was like,
let me put this on the shelf. I don't know
what they talking about. I'm like, I don't even know

(19:28):
what the property is, you know, So I just put
that on the shelf. Like when I was twenty three
and stuff like that. And then coming out of that experience,
I was preaching the gospel. But so in terms of
practically balancing, I believe because it can be all consuming ministry,
it's just never ending, especially when you have a ministry.
At that time, we were really growing a lot, multiple

(19:51):
services and things like that, and it was just hard
to keep up with the demand. And so what happened,
you know, because I as an administrator, I love to accomplish,
so I was always in the office, working alongside my
husband and stuff like that. And then when I had
the third child, it's like I get the little cots

(20:12):
and bringing a little lunch and had them at the office.
Then my husband's like, all right, time for you to
go home. So I was like, what am I going
to do at home? And what am I going to
do at home? You know? And and when I got home,
I realized, how do people not focus on their home?
It's so much work when you actually focus on it,

(20:34):
that it's a full time job. So I took all
my gifts and my skills and instead of focusing on ministry,
I focused on building my family. So I was really
the one who was the pillar, so to speak. While
he went forth and things like that, and I made
sure they he was there too with their athletic events

(20:56):
and stuff. But I planned out their swimming classes and
activities and all of that stuff to make sure that
they we were raising our kids. But I think God
gave me the wisdom back then to my heart was
I didn't want duplicity. I didn't want to be a
public servant and then have private private failure. So it's

(21:20):
about if we first worked by establishing a model in
our family, the ministry will flow from instead of the
other way, instead of two different lives, you know this
that you no let ministry flow out of our lives.
And I think that helped me really find the balance
and make sure my children, you know, got what they needed.

(21:43):
And then they then the four of them, they with
their personalities, they they are, they just love each other
and they became kind of each other's friends, and they
were really close knit. So even if we were busy,
I asked them sometimes you know, when you're like you're thinking, man,
that did they miss out or this, and that they're
like apparently.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
I was like, well, thank you Jesus, now it sounds
like they did. They turned out just fine. But in
some ways unfortunately too, that's an anomaly because what I've
seen over time, and you know, maybe my experience is limited,
but I've also heard sort of the same scenario with

(22:25):
other church ministries is that you know, you may have
a couple attending church. They may or may not have kids,
but one of the spouses is more involved than the other,
and it causes that divide so to speak, tou they're
living separate lives. And then so marriage, by myself is

(22:46):
hard enough, and then when you have kids involved, that
that adds to the challenge. So what do you say,
what do you think about? I don't know if there's
some advice you can give for couples in ministry or
you know, not necessarily preaching or teaching. Some of them
are trust you know, the husband's a trustee and the
wife is waiting outside or go home. You know, how

(23:08):
can that be fixed? Because I've found I've seen where
ministry actually can unfortunately divide a family.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
It can.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Well.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
One of the things that helped me was and we
might have been, like you were saying, we might have
been really different in the sense that we both had
the calling and we both felt the calling. So so
we had a level of agreement. And this is what
I would advise couples to really find that place of agreement.
And it's when you don't have that agreement that the

(23:38):
enemy gets in, you know, and then allow the one couple.
Somebody has to balance the other person out. And I
was trying to be the anchor to balance my husband
out when it did become too much. And so the
other person needs to really hear the heart of their
spouse if there feel like now I'm laughing. But because

(23:59):
I was such a chief, it didn't affect me because
I'm in there whatever. I ain't know no better myself
because over a yeah right right, so I'm like, let's
do it, let's build. So I'm not really But I
learned though that once I hit like my forties, at
a certain point I hit and with the growth and

(24:19):
the demand, like because it just keeps increasing, right that,
it was too much and I was like, we can't
maintain this. So I think someone has to know what
that place is, you know, where the relationship begins to
deteriorate and some things begin to happen and it starts
breaking down and you need to deal with it. So
they need to hear, hey, how can we sacrifice, you know,

(24:42):
how can we make sure that we get our time
in and we're not sacrificing it for ministry. I believe
that it's our relationship with God first, you know, so
that we keep our spirituality up, we belong to him
right and from that place, then I do life. And
so now I'm a wife, and I'm a wife from

(25:03):
the perspective of how God is outlined in the pattern
he said, then I'm a mother, you know, and so
on and so forth. But I think we have it wrong,
Like we have our spirituality, then we say church because
because the thing that's different even for pastors, is it
could also be your source of income. It's your jobs everything. Yeah,

(25:24):
so you got like instead of going out to a
different job, you're full time doing this. And then so
everything is kind of weaved in there, you know, And
it's hard to like separate all of these compartments. But
I believe you separate it by saying based on who
you are as a couple and what your needs are
and whether or not those needs are being neglected. And

(25:45):
I believe so it's not equal time. And when we're
talking about balance, it's not going to be like, okay,
I got to give you forty hours. I mean, because
of course we all know, regardless of where we work,
that our job generally gets the majority of.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Our artis that's right, regardless of who you are.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Regardless, So you got to understand that. But you got
to understand that when you come home, there's homework. We
did a series one time homework, so we now our
work and we can't just just relax and now, hey
we have a family. And it was so funny we
would go on trips or something like that. I have

(26:21):
my notepad. I was like, what do you see sweetheart?
You know, be like, no woman is this? I was like,
now what do you think for this kid? Because then
I don't implement it. But we had to collaborate and
we had to have time together. So one of the
key points I did when we it just got to
be too much, I was like, listen, we have to
have a point of connection. So let's determine what that's

(26:43):
going to be. We can't lose the connections. And I
think one of a wife. If it's the wife who
is saying this, you know, then the spouse really needs
to hear what they're and to figure out what that
adjustment will look like.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I'm telling you that's some great advice and a lot
the couples need to hear that that are dividing or
have this separation because of ministry and your calling. I
don't believe God wants your calling to get in the way.
And excuse me, your covenant.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
Yeah, you know, so absolutely. I think that covenant you know,
take care of each other, you know, and your family,
and then you know the ministry.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
M okay, now, speaking of ministry, tell us about the
day that your life changed forever and how you became
the senior or the lead pastor for your church.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Oh yes, I remember that day. And it's so ironic
because it was on Friday. It was on a Friday, Friday,
the thirteenth, March thirteenth, twenty fifteen, and I just the
thought came to my mind, like the day before, it
was like, you know, all tomorrow's Friday the thirteenth. I
was like, I don't even believe in that, you know,

(27:57):
like help people be like, oh something good better? I
just went past my mind, right. I remember that, and
my husband and I had gone into the gym. We
were getting back in the gym trying to be consistent,
and he had just come back and he was working out,
and I worked out, and I drove home and he
was My kids were on spring break, so he took

(28:18):
my daughter to the movies. So he took a shower
and went to the movies, and then later on I said, well, hey,
by the time the movie was over, I said, you
might as well drop her off at work, which was
about thirty minutes away. And so when he had come in,
I was actually working on my final paper for our
degree program. We were both pursuing a master's in theology
at the time, and it had taken us years because

(28:39):
we kept stopping and all that. Didn't have another kid
on that, so I was herm in the finish, I
was like, listen, he got finished. Then he's like, well,
wait to do our last child, who was thirty I
had when I was thirty seven, Well, wait till he's
in school. I was like, oh, my goodness. So I
was trying to be obedient because we wanted to finish together.
So and on my paper and then come in. I

(29:00):
heard him come in the house and then I was
kind of looking for him, but he was gonna do
a video shoot with my son. So next thing I know,
I'm over on the chase lounge and I see him
come in the room. But he made a beeline to
the bed, and so I didn't even say anything. I
was like, this strange because he doesn't take naps. We
used he used to tease us, you know, like if

(29:21):
you have to take a nap, he's like, were lazy
or something. You know. I was like, he told me
one time, why are you so tired? I said, because
I'm your wife. How about that. I was like, oh lord,
that was a good answer. You think about whatever that means,
That's why I'm tired. But so he laid down and
so I didn't even say anything. I just you know,

(29:42):
and then I noticed he was sleeping hard, and I
was like, okay, that's strange, but I'm just typing, you know.
And then then at one point he lifted his hands
and he was looking at one of his hands like this.
I said, you know, like when you lose circulation or something.
I was like, well, maybe he just you know, like
when you're hearing this numb or something. But then I

(30:04):
was like, this is just strange. But I had never
encountered the stroke. So they say like in terms of
your face disfigured or something like that. So I mean
nothing like that. He was just sleep So I even
just laid down just four minutes beside him, and then
went on to get my daughter and came back and
my daughter said she said I was gonna cook, and
she said, no, Mom, I'll do it. You're just going upstairs.

(30:27):
But as soon as I got back and got in
the room, I was like, you still in bed. I mean,
something's wrong. I said, it's something wrong. I was just
saying that to him, and then he just started throwing up,
and I was like, oh my gosh, and then I
was I was at the same time, I had the
phone in my hand. I was like calling nine one one,
I yelled downstairs. Ever, you know, call our prayer, our

(30:48):
intercessor called Towns, tell her, tell her to pray. Your
dad is sick. You know. I called the ambulance, and
you know, it was just all inven like one motion.
Then I was trying to get get that off of
him because he was just flat on his back and
couldn't couldn't get up, you know. And then I took
the cover off of them and understood that he literally
could not move and so they came. I'm near the

(31:10):
near the hospital, and they came quickly, and they said,
it looks like a stroke. And he had had a
blood clot that went from his heart up to his
brain and impacted his speech center so that he's not
able to speak. He had said some words and I'm
still believing God for a miracle for that. And then

(31:31):
his right arm is not functioning. He walks with a
with a cane. That's the day that everything in my
life changed. And you know, I went, you know, to
the provider. I went to I know, I can't be
the father, but just the lead and the family with
our children still being teenagers and the eldest might have

(31:53):
been like twenty one teenagers and they all had to
get through school and all that, and then the ministry
and you know, and when you you know, have a
leader like that who's impacted. One of the things I
learned is that people who you were faithful to aren't
always faithful to you, you know. And so they just left,
you know, people were leaving and I'm trying to I'm
trying to hold together a shattered life. How can I

(32:17):
wade through the rubbish and bring anything for rebuild anything
out of what's left, and and so so that that
it just had just a tremendous, tremendous impact on my
life because again, I hadn't seen myself as a lead pastor.
As matter of fact, other when other friends of mine, like,

(32:40):
let's say they've lost these people experience deaths of a spouse,
you know, and they may may have taken the lead
or something. I grew a Baptist. They didn't even They
were like, women can't even women preaching, You can't even preach.
That's why when I received a fall and I'm like,
you know, I had to get that many profits and

(33:00):
they were all male profits, authentic profits. You called me out,
you know, for me to really receive that. And so
I had already determined, predetermined, Oh if that is something
never happened to my husband, I'm not doing that. I'n't
already had all these conversations, and so something happens to
my husband and I'm like, what in the world. You know,

(33:22):
it's a ministry that we found, that we were sent
to found from a ministry in ground rapids and it's
more than thirty three. We just celebrated thirty three years.
Ministry in September and so, but we were both there
at the beginning, and you know, and so he was
like the visionary. I was like a wound you know,

(33:42):
that helped him get earth. And so the prophets who
had been you know, friends of the ministry for years
and mentors and we have spiritual father, they said you
need to take the league and I was like, what,
you know, I couldn't even like process it. I still
haven't even really processed what was going on with my
hum because then he had to go to the nursing home.
He was a ICU for ten days, and I was

(34:04):
there and I just did not leave. So I'm there
all day every day, you know, sleeping at the hospital
by his side and praying the intercessors and stuff like that.
And then he had to go to the nursing home.
So I'm near making sure because I know how that
could be. I'm there every day, all three times a day,
you know, making sure they're dealing with him. And I

(34:24):
just waited till a period of time to see about
six months, you know, what his recovery would be. And
then I was advised through the counsel of our mentors,
you know, you need to go ahead and take the lead.
And I remember specifically saying to one of the mentors
who prophesied that I was a prophet. He was one

(34:45):
of the ones who revealed that to me, he said,
I said, I've never envisioned myself in this role. He
said that was Tanya. Then, who is Tanya now? And
that question that caused me to see, then this storm,
I'm not the same Tianya.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
You know.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, I've changed. And I told the Lord when I
got saved at twelve, I remember praying. No one taught
me to pray. I just used to get on my
knees and talk to the Lord in long time, for
a long time, and I don't remember much of what
I said, but I do remember one particular prayer. I said, Lord,
I'll do whatever you want me to do. And I

(35:21):
made that commitment at twelve years old. So I've never
told them no, even if people I don't know. You
got to deal with these men saying this and that,
you deal with that. But and nobody in their right
mind will ever just walk up into this. You got
to be right, because it's not for the faint at heart. No, No,

(35:46):
I don't know what they're saying. But when I trained leaders,
I was like, just get ready for death. All this
is is a death process. You're dying to you so
that Christ could live in and through you. That's what
visually means.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
My goodness, it seems like the challenges that you face.
I mean it's hard enough for as a wife, right,
you know, for better, for worse and sickness and in health,
and we say those vowals, but it doesn't really resonate
until you're in it. Then you have, like you said,
your other covenant, the ministry, and you're trying to hold

(36:23):
both together. Is your husband still incapacitated And how long
has it been now?

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, it's been almost ten years. In March it'll be
ten years. And yes he is able to say more words.
I see more words coming forth, but yeah, he's pretty
much in the same.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
It's so amazing because I did see clips of your
husband's teachings and he's a powerful teacher, and you just
never know what cross God would have you to bear,
and you know he's sovereign, he can definitely do whatever
he wants. So the fact that you've kept the faith,
the stamina, the ministry together, continuing to thrive in spite

(37:01):
of it's tremendous. I mean, what has this experience taught you?
You know, what's the major takeaway?

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah? Well, first I had to apologize to my husband,
you know, because some of the things that I didn't
understand that he carried, you know, because he in ministry.
You like, some things I would deal with so it
wouldn't be on his plate. Okay, let's take care of
this whatever, so he don't even have to one more

(37:27):
thing to deal with. But then he would also do
that for me and not want things on me, so
so you kind of bear them. And I realized. I
was like, I'm just so sorry because I would have
some complaints. One time, I was like, when I was
trying to balance him out, he did make this comment.
He was just like, well, can you run the ministry?
And I was like, yeah, sure.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
An athlete, Yeah, I'm a super I can do it all.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
I went back to him, I said, sweetheart, about that,
about that that one conversation, right, I did not know,
like they said, you go what you do exactly what
I say, And so I really did because and now
in this role, I'm his caregiver as well. It's like

(38:27):
I have to intentionally make sure I do the same
thing that I stopped and not not just care for him,
provide you make sure he eats and all that, but
really spend time with my my husband the same way
because it's so demanding. Is this that I said, WHOA, Okay,
So that's one of the things that I did learn
that I really was more merciful, you know, right for him,

(38:51):
you know. But then then another thing that I learned
is the sufficiency of God's grace when when I was
actually this hallway right behind me, I was walking down
the hallway and getting ready to go attend to my
husband when he first got home. We had the hospital
bed down on the first level and then but it
was just NonStop, NonStop needs and so I was just

(39:13):
like just so exhausted, and I'm walking down the hallway.
My son, my middle son, just impeded my progress. He
stepped right in front of me and I had to stop.
So I stopped in my tracks and he said, Mom,
look at me, eye to eye. I don't like seeing
you like this. And I don't know what he saw
on me, you know, because I'm in it, you know.

(39:35):
And in that moment, I remember saying in my heart
to the Lord I said, God, I don't have your grace.
I ain't gonna make it. I'm not gonna make and
so so really it has been God's enablement for real.
When people see me standing. One lady said recently, she said, well,
just when I see you. I don't even know who
she was. She was just visiting the church, but you know,

(39:56):
everybody know of us and stuff. She's like, when I
just see you, and that just strengthens me. Just I
haven't done nothing but just stood, you know. And it's
the power of God. And so people will be like,
you're a strong woman. I said, that's God. Nobody have.
You don't have as much strength to be able to
endure this your family, the darkness, you know, assault against

(40:19):
your whole family, your children, your you know how the
sheep scattered with the shepherd, you know, all of this
your own personal life. You can't do that within yourself.
And so God is sufficient. And the other thing is
that often we don't really know what's in us. My mentor,
one of my mentors now is doctor Cindy Trim And
she said that awesome. Yes, yes, I just learned of her,

(40:43):
like really in her getting in her space because I
didn't really used to follow her anything, but I was
at a conference and she was there, and I went
to her school of ministry a couple of weeks set
a couple summers ago, so it's been maybe about a
year and a half. She said that the adversity introduces
one to himself a good point, and that's what happened

(41:03):
because I was just like, I've had it for me
after the university, she said, but it introduces you to yourself.
And so I think that's one of the things that
I learned that you know, we have more in us
than we think. Yeah, especially by God's grace and so
and walking alongside with his grace. You know, the Holy

(41:24):
Spirit comes alongside of us. So if we're surrendering to
His grace, it's really just supernatural. So those are some
of the things I learned. I learned about people, the
people you gave your life for, like some of the signs,
like I was saying, I got to a certain point
where I was like, I need my own husband, you know, right,
But he's meeting with this person husband and having standing

(41:45):
appointments and teaching them and that you know, then they
can't they kiss. You don't know don't even kiss you,
or they just look like yeah. And so you got
to be in it for God, and you got to
really be able to guard your heart, like through all
of those hurts. So on top of the hurt from
the devastation and the hurt of its impact on my children,

(42:08):
and then the hurt from people leaving in our time
of need, you know, it's just unbearable. And I really
had to allow and I think just all of us
have to do this, regardless of what the trial is.
We have to understand that at its core, this is
a relationship with Jesus Christ. You could say titles and

(42:30):
this and that and the other, but at my core,
I'm a child of God and He's my source and
my sufficiency is in him. So I learned all of
that because I had to dig deep.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Yeah, it's their own relationship too. It can't be like
you said, your husband's and for young parents or older people,
you know, it can't be a vicarious relationship. You really
have to know God for yourself. Yes, absolutely, And it
seems like you have a pumplished so much. I mean,

(43:02):
you know again the fighter that you are, the athlete
in ministry with children, I mean they I mean beat cancer,
you know, through the grace of God. I mean, tell
us about your book and what we want to talk
about your new work also, but tell us about your
book die without Regrets, because I don't think you'll be
dying with any regrets. It just as much. I guess

(43:26):
there's much more in you. But my goodness, you've done
a lot at the age of sixty, and it's just
the most people have done in a lifetime, you know,
So tell us about Die Without Regrets.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Yes, one day I was, you know, you see those
ads when you're listening to something on on your YouTube
and then an ad comes up. So this guy talking
about getting your book done. And I was like, why
had already written? And you know, we had a publishing company,
and I was, you know, so we did our own
books and things like that. But it had been a

(43:59):
while and I knew I had a lot in me
and I was just when I hear titles, I would
just write them in my phone. And the guy said,
I said, well, let me attend this seminar. It was free.
So I went on and was listening to him and
he said, some of you have been saying for like
twenty years you're going to write a book. He said,
you need to go ahead and write it. And it
was just something that kind of leaped in me because

(44:21):
it and it may not I don't think it was
twenty years since like my last book. But the thing
was is that what I saw is what what that
that I already written out this stuff, all these titles, right,
and it was still just dormant in my phone. And
I was like, what is it going to take for
just life to just stop and just open up? And

(44:42):
there's clear path to sit down and write a book?
That ain't that? Ain't not nothing?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
How about never?

Speaker 3 (44:51):
How about never?

Speaker 2 (44:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
And so I was like, you know how you get
inspired in those moments? All right? All right, that's it,
that's it. And then so I went to bed that
night and as I laid on my bed and just
kind of commune with my heart with the Lord, I said,
I said, God, I intend to do this. I was
gonna wake up the next day and write. So I said,
what do you want me to write? You know, like

(45:13):
out of all the stuff I have? And then I
was like, how about something on the champion because that's
just my And I said, okay, unleashing what would it
be unleashing the champion on the inside of you? And
so so I said, oh, that sounds good. And then
I wrote a subtitle, died without Regrets. And then I
gave it to my daughter. I said, look at what
God gave me, look at what it gave me. What

(45:33):
you think she said, I think die with I Regrets
is the title flip on. So I flipped it to
die without Regrets Twelve Ways to unleash the Champion on
the inside of you. And that's just based on twelve chapters.
So the big idea is that we have all of
this treasure. And I never forget what doctor, the late
doctor Milesmorrow would say that most people say this treasure, Oh,

(45:58):
I absolutely love them. They take it to the grave.
He said, that's the wealthiest place. And one time he
was in plant and years and years ago, and I
had my Bible and I went up and had him
sign my Bible and he signed it die Empty, and
he signed my friends. Because I wanted to see what
he signed, you know, if it was the same. He
signed her be yourself and that was absolutely the word
she needed. But that die Empty it messed with me

(46:21):
for a long time. I couldn't rest with that. Die empty,
Die empty, and just it was just in the background
of my consciousness, you know, die empty. And so so
that's really what what the book is about. But what
it really did is it captures this idea that most
people do die with regrets and but it's at the

(46:44):
end of their lives that they realize it. You know, oh, man,
I should have done this. I should have done it,
should have but now it's too late. What I wanted
to do is, Okay, let's figure out we have some regrets.
We can't come back, go back, and you know, it's
just it's done. Whatever. Some things that we may intend
to do that we could still carry out, but let's

(47:07):
not just live with the regret. Let's get it done.
And so you know, I had gotten my coaching certification
during COVID. I believe, and I think it's just not
now a coach the coach and me. I was like, listen,
let's get it done. And so I had written the
book asked a lot of questions to really escavate, you know,
what's in the person's heart. What what is it that

(47:30):
you would regret? You know, I want to go after
that thing. So now we excavated and see what was
really in your heart, and now let's let's lay out
a path to get it done. So I ended up
I was like people going to I didn't see them
sitting down going through that. So I did a work
book and I developed a course. But none of this
did I see beforehand, you know? So I was like,

(47:53):
so now my course has died without regrets course. And
then I help them. I take all those questions and
take them through a process. The of it, they'll have
a mission statement for their life.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Oh wonderful.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
So we find out who are you, how are you wired?
What did God put in you? What is on your heart?
And then we excavate that. And then you say, like
mine is. I'm an international life specialist empowering people to
build quality and fulfilling, godly and fulfilling lives and families.
That's me.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Oh that's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
And it took me years because I kept tweaking it.
And recently I said, oh no, I heard somebody say
life specialist. Oh that's what I am. I'm a life specialist.
I'm a life specialist.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Indeed you are, and a subject matter expert in life
on every level, on every level, your soul and body.
Isn't that something that's it's amazing how things, how you know,
things in us come out and just really flourish and evolve,
and some people aren't. I'm glad you're doing that coaching

(48:58):
series and have that course because some people never get
to that point to where they just really discover, like
you said, until it's the end of life.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yes, oh I should.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Have done this, you know. But we can live without
regrets and we can die empty, die without regrets. And
it's it's interesting because Miles Monroe, oh my god, I
just love him. I studied so much of his work
and I remember doctor Miles Monroe. He was at a
conference and he said that how many of us you know,
of course we all die, and most of us have,

(49:29):
you know, headstones, and the headstones are there, in his words,
because we were so worthless when we lived. He said.
People have to remember where you were, where you know
that you were here, he said, But when you live
a fulfilled life, a purposeful filled life, you don't need
a headstone or or facility named after you for people

(49:49):
to know that you were here. Oh yes, they'll still
talk about you. They don't need to go visit a
dead place to remember that you exist legacy. Yes, I
mean that's just And when I when I see you
and I see your life and your life pattern and
how things have rolled out for you. You're such a
role model and you're you're you're emptying out like I'm

(50:13):
just amazed that what else is down and down on
the inside. But only God knows. Only God knows, And
that's the miraculous part of all of this. And you know,
I think about Peter when he walked on the water
and God Jesus said, oh, ye have little faith, mm hmm.
But nobody else walked in the water, nobody had the boat,

(50:37):
and you have the nerve to say to me, oh
ye a little faith, Like I would have felt some
kind of way. I would have been all up in
Jesus's face, like seriously, no, at least I had the
gusts to come out here. He knows what's inside of you.
The more he knew that baby Peter didn't have to sink,
or that he had the courage to pass him on

(50:57):
the water. Who knows, you know, so just just amazing.
Please tell us the go ahead.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
And that's why, like our theme this year is only believe,
and it was just like, you know, we have to
unlock these possibilities. My series last week that I started
was Unlocking Life's possibilities because it was just like, you know,
we have so much God has for us, you know,
are we really tapping in? You know? And I don't
believe we are nowhere near to the degree that He

(51:25):
wants us to. And so that's why I'm getting involved
in people's life. Like I did, I do a book
writing seminar. Now that was inspired. Somebody said you should
do that, and I was like, oh, I'd never done that.
So I developed a book writing seminar and I'll teach
him how to write the book, and then if they
want to publish through us, that's fine, or we could
teach you how to do it on your own. And

(51:46):
then but I had somebody who had never even considered writing.
They took the class and they birthed their book, and
so I'm just like, so that's what I mean by
I think people could read and then they say let
it down and they may not still get it done.
So I want to What I do is I ten
weeks after the class, then I'm on zoom with them

(52:07):
and they could just ask me questions or whatever. But
basically it's just accountability. On Saturday morning at seven am,
you know, accountability, sit here and write for an hour
and a half so I will be present and you'll
get it done. So I'm not the type, you know
how people they do all this and they get people's
money and all that kind of stuff that people still
don't do it. You know, I'm like, at least I'm

(52:28):
gonna give you as much opportunity you gonna have to
show up, but I can't least be there. And I've
been and holding your hands, inspiring you to finish the
finish line across the finish line.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Now, how can people sign up for that? Because there
are a lot of people who want to write a book.
Some you know, it may not be their purpose, but
they need to try to know. And then some it
definitely is something that they need to put pen to
paper and tell their story or put out what you know,
the vision or the ministry that God has put into them.

(53:00):
So how can they sign up for that course? I
think it's a wonderful have it?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Oh thank you? They could go to my website that
with No Regrets dot com and they could see when
The next one would be it'll be listed on the
on the website, or they can express their interests. And
if I have a you know, a broad enough interest,
then I could you know, do a class, you know,
create it. I mean, just schedule it if it's not
on the schedule, okay.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
And that's where they can also find out about all
your other courses.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yes, it's right on that website because I you know,
I just think that's the place where I'm just housing
that I have one coming up on the twenty fifth.
But you know they won't hear about that right now.
So yeah, but I'll I'll have that's where they could visit.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Okay. And before we wrap up, please tell me about
your new work. Own your vision.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, on your own your destiny.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Own your destiny, on your destiny.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
That's kind of like a sequel to Die without Regrets,
because then we helped them map it out, but you
got to own it first. You know. Sometimes people are
in the background, and that's what I was doing. I
was comfortable in the background, uh because like one preacher said,
there's it's hot in the light, and so it's it's
you get a lot of stuff come at you. You know,

(54:19):
when you're in the in the front, and and I
didn't want to feel all that. So it's like I'm like,
nobody would have known it. I'm just like, okay, I'm
going to side and whatever. One prophet busted me out.
He's like, you have been hiding behind your husband. I
was like, oh, man, for real, you know something? Because yeah,
it's the beginning, right, I see the stuff he go through.

(54:41):
You you think, and I know what I go through,
but you think I want all that. And so so
it's really about owning that I got thrust into this,
you know, and but which was God. Like one one
prophet told me, He's like, you know, this is not
not an accident to God. You know. God always had
minished this ministry for you, you know, but I was

(55:02):
kind of like thrust into it. And so I want
to be able to you know, help people, you know,
Okay in that way.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Now, final thoughts, it's always hard to connect to dot
sometime in life. And again, you are a modern day
superwoman for every woman. So how can one know that
they're living in their purpose and what's next for you?

Speaker 3 (55:28):
I got a statement about purpose that I think would
be really really good to give share with people, my
therapist who really helped me during this time. I had
herding COVID. I met her at a conference and I
was like, hey, can you come do a seminar, you know,
or about the soul dealing with the soul, because she
said that she had worked every day, like for forty
something years on her soul. And I was like, what,

(55:52):
well does that look like, you know, because we could
work on our spirit. We were physically, you know, in
the gym, but what does that look like? And so
I was I have her to do a seminar for
the church. But then I said, I think I need
to talk to you, you know. And then I talked
to her and she told me, she said, in the
first conversation, she said, my concern is that I don't
think you grieved the laws. After I told her all

(56:13):
that our life met together, and she said, you know,
just tell me about your life together. She said, I
don't think you gave the law. And then tears just
start flowing down my face and I was like, wait
a minute, I thought I had cried every tear that
you could cry. And she wanted me to go away
and at a hotel just by myself and just grieve
and I was able to do that, and so she's

(56:34):
a powerful strategic person in my life. But when I
asked her about purpose, she said this, and I think
this will help clarify things for people, because a lot
of people what is my purpose? What is my purpose?
And she said, we all have the same calling. We're
all called to Jesus. We all have the same purpose,
and it's too full to embrace the gift of life

(56:58):
and enjoy our salvation, that's one one part of it. Secondly,
to be so in tuned to his spirit that we
transform circumstances and events instead of them transforming us. But
she said, but really the difference is and this made
sense to me because I had been searching for the
answer to that question. She said, the difference is is

(57:22):
our assignment. So so a lot of times we call
think the purposes are different, but what she's saying is
like the purposes are is the same, but the assignment
is different. And that may help. So what I do,
even through the course and things, I help people to
to to pull the dots together, you know, and like
like a big puzzle, you know, to connect the dots

(57:43):
and look at this puzzle, and I go all the
way back to your youth. What you know what that's
how when I took the test, the Gifts Assessment tests
and found out I was administrator number one out of
one hundred, I scored ninety and but I didn't know,
but I was operated in that gift. But I just
didn't know. And so we go back and say, you know,

(58:06):
what was your experience in your youth, what did people
say about you? What it has been your skill sets?
You know, just all of these questions of assessment, and
then we kind of map it with what has what
has been on your heart to do? Because you could
have the same gifting as somebody else with a different assignment, right,
And so so those are some ways that we take

(58:29):
people through just understanding what their assignment is and that
their purpose really is. We're called to Jesus Christ, you know.
And what I was saying that enjoyed life and transforms
situations rather than them transforming us. That's the transform power
of Christ.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Same purpose, different assignments, same person, different tasks, yes, same application, yes,
the situation.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Yes. So like like somebody like me, they could be
a teacher, you know, they could be they could be
the president, they could be anything whatever. But in terms
of me, my inclination was to ministry. And I then
find out, you know that I actually had an office

(59:14):
in the body of Christ, So that that's my assignment.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
What's next for you? Do you see yourself in ten years? Maybe?

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Well, you you have really motivated me. I'm so I'm so.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Put modeling on there, modeling for sixty and over what else. Yeah,
I love it.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I love it, and I have the other books you
know that I want to write, but they already heard
about that. But Frank Town in ministry, I'd have so
much fire. Even though I just turned sixty, I don't
feel sixty. And I just have such a strong desire
to fulfill the will of God that we actually our

(59:54):
ministry sits on like one hundred and thirty seven acres.
And so one of the things that I learned I
didn't say earlier when you're asking what I learned, is
that really the vision doesn't die right. So my husband,
like it laid out the vision, The vision has been clear,
and we've just been running with the vision because he
developed us and we've been so impacted by it and

(01:00:17):
carrying it out that even though he is sitting on
the sideline, so to speak. The vision is still alive.
It's picking up the vision and running with it. And
then I was like, in the natural, I'm looking like,
you know, we don't have the money to you know,
develop like one hundred and thirty seven acres, you know,
because you know, of course, attendance has been affected and
all that kind of stuff. We're not the same size church,

(01:00:39):
all that through economy, all that stuff COVID. Well, my
point is we had a big God. And so I
went back and said, where are the plans? So I
got the plans. God told me call this person. I
called that person and they used to work out with
my husband and they've been strategic with the church, helping
us get financing for the building and stuff like that.
And he was like, he wrote out a vision and

(01:01:01):
I said, this is everything with my husband wanted to do.
He said, yeah, I used to work out with him.
That's all he talked about. And so now we're mapping
that out. And then he's connecting us with you know,
other people who could just map that vision out. So
that's going to take me a part of birth out
that for the community. It's huge. It's huge. Again. I

(01:01:24):
never envisioned it. But then the other part is that
dream of TV. I really want to birth the media,
the media ministry, and just get a team around me
and help me really to be a voice. It says
that the mouth of the Righteous feed many, and I

(01:01:44):
really feel like God has given me a word that
will really help people in their lives and help guide
them and encourage them in the Lord. And so I
have to branch out into that. And then what I
believe will be my legacy is I want to develop
like a family life institute that I'm actually in school. Look,

(01:02:07):
I'm supposed to be in school. Put it that way.
Get in getting my doctorates. I started last year.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I was like, oh, okay, I have no doubt you finished.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
So I send them an email. I was like, I
better get back in class. So they emailed me today.
So I'm gonna go back in April. But it was
just I was like, whoa, this is a lot. But
the reason I'm doing that is so that I can
learn what I need to learn to birth this educational system,
training systems for families. And we have a family emphasis

(01:02:42):
in our ministry, and what I want to do is
maximize that. And I realized what's happened is that there's
a gap between us growing up and what we learned
and stuff. A lot of times we just don't have
the skills to really build the kind of family by
Guy's design. And so guys just giving me wisdom in

(01:03:02):
that area, and I'm just keep on gaining wisdom and
then be able to lay out a plan. How do
you manage finances? How do you come up with a
family vision? What do you stand for? You know? How
do you aim kid? How do you do you know?
And just those kinds of things to really empower people.
So I think that's really going to be my legacy
because family is my hurt. Oh something that sounds like

(01:03:23):
ten years worth of work.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Oh, it sounds like plenty, maybe two decades worth of work.
And I have no doubt you will still be doing
it and going strong. You have the vision, which is wonderful,
and it's so amazing that you can speak to that
for your husband in the sense that he had a
vision that's path the battle. You know, it's like they

(01:03:44):
have a vision writing it down, making it plain so
people can run with it. You know. It's like the
relay race. Sometimes somebody falls out of the race, you
pick up the baton and keep going. So it sounds
like you have exacise land. That's what you so plenty
and even bigger.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
God, bigger God to build that out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
So I'm excited for you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I'm very much excited for you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Thank you so much for joining me today. I hope
to have you back again because it's just been a
wonderful conversation and yeah, I'm gonna tap in to see
what you're up to again. You're such a wonderful person,
a pastor, athlete, champion, woman, mother. I just couldn't say enough,

(01:04:33):
So thank you again for joining me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I'm to be here and we're going to do this again.

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