E12: The Menu (2022)

A delicious episode where we discuss 2022's The Menu, directed by Mark Mylod. Topics covered include:

• Inspirations from real life horror show haute cuisine restaurants with enfant terrible chefs
• Eat the rich
• How Elon Musk is like Tyler
• How money corrupts creative professions
• Why this movie makes us think of Shakespeare and the opera
• Margot as Scheherazade

Heads up: there is one swear word in this... but Tyler deserves it.

Episode Transcript

Ethan (00:00):
Okay, why are we whispering?

Ethan & Sage (00:03):
Okay, I can edit this out. It's okay. I
definitely will not put this atthe beginning or end of the Oh,
yeah, no, for sure. Okay. Iwould be horrified if you did
that. I think I'd fire you.

Ethan (00:15):
Okay, just cut my salary.
Okay, okay. Yeah, well, you cancut it in half. What do divided
by zero still zero? Yeah. Okay

Sage (00:34):
Hello and welcome to episode 12 of the teen horror
podcast where we watch anddiscuss horror movies from a
teens perspective. I'm your hostsage, and I'm joined by my co
host and unpaid intern, my dad.
Hello, everybody. This week wewatched mark my Lords doesn't
want me to film the menu writtenby Seth rice. And well, Tracy,
before we get started with ourdiscussion of the film, we're

(00:56):
gonna do a little section thatwe call backstory, where we
discussed what we have beendoing this week since the last
episode. And this might includethings that we've been watching
things we've done things thathave happened to us birthdays
that have passed, etc. So takeit away, sage, what's been going
on with you? I turned 16 was abig moment. Yeah. For me to move

(01:16):
person. Yeah. And it's beenalmost exactly two years since
the first episode came out. Sothat's cool. Yay. It feels like
long time insert clapping soundeffect. Do we have? I don't
know.

(01:37):
That wasYeah. Yeah. So I turned 16. And
we also saw Megan in theaters.
Yeah, that was fun. It was. Idon't know if it was review
worthy, but it was definitelylike, I'm all for creepy scary
living dolls that are murderous.
That was and it was funny,because it's, uh, you know, it's

(02:00):
all about like, AI. Yeah.

Ethan (02:05):
And the evils of it, perhaps? Yes. So yeah,
definitely. Very appropriate. Iactually, they must have had
that movie in production. Waybefore the
chat GPT and all that stuffcame? Yeah. But it was just
perfectly right. Like that'sthat's what they mean when you
know when you say like the wordZeitgeist like this, like

(02:26):
cultural moment. That's reallywhat it Yeah, right. Like that's
they really tapped into it. Youlike, whoever wrote that or
greenlit it? They were like,Yeah, this is coming. So, but
hey, wait for your birthday. Asyour co host. Of course. I have
no knowledge of this. But whatwhat amazing horror themed
accessories did you get? I gotamong other things.

Sage (02:47):
A little enamel pin. That is the pattern of the shining
carpet. Yeah, it's been themovie. Yeah. a postage stamp
sized, I guess. Like largestamp. It's, it's nice. I got a
sticker from alien and also likea patch. Yeah. From alien from
the Nostromo. Part of themystery. Yeah. Which is really

(03:08):
cool. And definitely movie thatI think we should review. It
seems like one that we alreadywould have. But I know I keep
thinking that we've recordedthat we haven't had an alien and
we haven't. And we're gonna getto some listener requests in a
moment. And that's definitelyone of them. Yeah, so yeah, so
those pins we got that from lastexit to nowhere. Yeah, we do not

(03:29):
have a commercial relationshipwith but we would welcome
sponsors. Yeah. So um, and Ialso got a hoodie from last exit
to nowhere. Yeah, but thatwasn't for a horror film. No, it
was for Fight Club. Last I don'tknow where it was. They were
over represented in your in yourgifts. This? Yeah, I'm not
complaining. We also were wehave been watching poker face.

(03:50):
That's right. The TV show byRyan Johnson. Yeah. With Natasha
Leon.
She's really funny. Just the wayshe moves and like, yeah, like
with her body and like your bodyso

Ethan (04:02):
face her eyes. Like she's just kind of hypnotic to watch
and not because she's like,She's a model or former model
and but her physicality is notshe's not what you would expect
if you said, oh, yeah, there's awoman who used to be a model in
the show. She's first of all,she's a talent. She's really a
doctor. But second of all, like,she kinda like, has a weird kind

(04:25):
of like hunched. Yeah, yeah.
That she is she's like walkingaround. It's like she's
channeling like, some sort oflike, ad.

Sage (04:33):
Funny. I really like. It's yeah, she makes the show really
funny. Yeah,

Ethan (04:39):
she's the Russian doll.
You could watch Russian doll.
Yeah. And you're old enough forthat. What else? What do you
what are you reading? You'rereading any good books.

Sage (04:45):
I have been reading Stephen King's Dark Tower series
for a long time. That's right.
And I'm on the fifth one. Rightnow wolves at the gala. They
there was a mention of theMarston house. Yeah. And I
recognized that from when And Istarted to read Salem's Lot.
Yeah. And then didn't finish it.
Why didn't

Ethan (05:05):
you finish? By the way?
Was it just not interesting?
Sorry.

Sage (05:07):
It was just, I think at the time I was like 12 or 13.

Ethan (05:12):
Again, which is your co host. I have no inside
information about this, but Ican't believe your parents let
you read sales.

Sage (05:17):
No, no, I mean, I think I wanted to get through but it was
just such a like big book. Andalso it's one of his earlier
books. And so there's so muchdescription in it. So many
little like off shooting detailsthat maybe don't really well,
there were a lot in Dark Towerseries. Yeah. Yeah, it was a big
book. But so I think I juststopped because it was like, I

(05:39):
mean, you read it. You finishedall did, which was kind of a
yeah, they could accomplish. I'mvery proud of that. Because,
remember, is

Ethan (05:45):
that his biggest book, or is it

Sage (05:46):
I don't I think I think the stand is bigger. But yeah, I
finished it when I was like 13.
But when I read the Marstonhouse in most of the callate,
because he references a lot ofother books in the careers I was
like, Okay, I have two resumeson I think that was like a
little push I needed. So Istarted from the beginning. I'm
almost at the end now. It'sreally great. When I read books,
I switch off listening to theaudiobook of it and reading it

(06:07):
just depending on what I'm doingwhere I am, and the audiobook.
It's like the only audio bookI've ever listened to the only
book I've ever read thatlegitimately scares me like at
night, sometimes I'll be likedoing stuff, like just getting
ready for better swing listeningto it. And I have to stop and
just kind of stand there andmaybe jump

Ethan (06:25):
a couple of times, because you've been listening.
And I've come up behind you andyou're like, oh, yeah, no, it's
scary. Also the time that Ihovered outside your window.

Sage (06:33):
Yeah, that was good to know. But like, you can tell
like he really he was like, I'mgonna write a vampire story. And
he just like, put everythinginto it. Yeah, it's, it's
amazing. I really liked I really

Ethan (06:46):
liked Salem's Lot as a book. You're reading it in
paperback form with one of thegood covers. Yeah, no, I have
maybe the original cover, Ithink,

Sage (06:54):
yeah, I have very strong criteria. For my Stephen King
votes. I much prefer used copiesand copies that are with the
publisher like Signet, I don'tknow why. But every book, I've
found, like every Stephen Kingbook, I found what that
publisher has, it's really old,paperback, great cover. Just, it

(07:15):
feels different. You know, youknow, a lot of the new more like
modern covers, or printings ofhis books, just the covers are
not that great.

Ethan (07:24):
So you should actually I don't think you've looked at
this, maybe skimmed it orsomething, but you should look
at it again. If so. I have abook upstairs called because
we're downstairs inside of oursprawling recording complex.
Yeah, right. Yeah. But I have abook upstairs, which is called
paperbacks from hell. And it'sby Grady Hendrix, who wrote the

(07:44):
final girl support group, and abunch of other amazing horror
stories. But he did a wholelike, it was such a labor of
love. Like he went back andlooked at all these books from
like the 70s and 80s. All thesehorror paperbacks that were just
like, Absolutely, like ghoulishand garish covers, right? In all
paintings, you know, they're alllike, it's not digital art. It's

(08:05):
all paintings. It's not like,super Photoshop, you know, like,
oh, let's go take a picture of ahouse and then distort it and
make it look, you know, like,there's so much of that, like, I
just, you know, I can't standthe new the modern crop of the
Stephen King covers. They'rejust so generic,

Sage (08:23):
like a photo. It's like a random, like, unsettling photo
with a grainy like, filter. Oh,

Ethan (08:30):
yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of No, it's right. You look back
at the 80s. And you're justlike, like, half the time. I
remember thinking like, I don'tknow if the artist even read the
horror story, or like what thebrief was, because sometimes it
wouldn't really match up. NotI'm not even kidding. But just
like, yeah, it was the same withsci fi back then. You know,

(08:50):
like, so often, you would getlike, some sci fi book, and it
was like, this is the coolestpainting on the cover. And then
has nothing to do with anything.
Yes.

Sage (09:01):
Yeah, it's funny that way.
Like, it's still it looks reallylike, I will say like, you know,
when people say like, don'tjudge a book by its cover, like,
Oh, no.

Ethan (09:11):
You know, yeah.

Sage (09:12):
I mean, they just, yeah, that's what the cover is for.

Ethan (09:17):
So yes, we'd like good cover design. Bring back good
covers, please. And if you'redoing good covers, please
continue to do so. Yeah, so wedid let's see birthday. And we
mentioned Megan, we missionPokerface. We can see him a lot.
Oh, I read a book with yourbrother, which is sort of a
young adult horror story calledcloud in a cornfield. That was
super fun. So if you're lookingfor kind of it's very gory. I

(09:40):
just want to warn you. So ifyou're looking for kind of a
young adult, kind of teenfiction, or fiction climate
cornfield was fun. And I thinkthere's a sequel, which I have
not read. So and other thanthat, let's see. Oh, I know what
else we did. You drew A coolsticker.

Sage (10:02):
Yeah, so I designed a little sticker design the first
18 orgas sticker. Yep. So it'slike the first physical
manifestation of like merch thatwe have. I'm very proud of it.

Ethan (10:18):
merch. I like that merch.
Yeah. Alright.

Sage (10:24):
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people Yep. Then you can clickon the link in the show notes
for this episode. Yeah. Or go tostickers dot teen horror
cast.com

Ethan (10:42):
That's right. Stickers dot teen horror cast.com right
now now we'll wait.

Sage (10:47):
If you can't find the link, email us at

Ethan (10:51):
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Sage (10:55):
I'm very excited that we have, you know, like a physical
thing. Yeah. And it. I lovestickers. I love to put stickers
on my laptop. And just likeeverywhere. And if you

Ethan (11:08):
have since you were a small child, I have removed many
stickers from like, the two footheight level on all of our
doors. Yeah. There was a periodthat was like, Oh, look more
butterfly stickers auto door.
probably still some of thishouse. Oh, no. I

Sage (11:24):
see. I see.

Ethan (11:25):
I mean, in our recording studio. Oh, yes. Yeah, facility,
the facility. But yeah,

Sage (11:31):
so if you'd like stickers to then go get some. And we'll
mail you some.

Ethan (11:34):
Yeah. And we have mailed them out which you can be
anywhere in the world. We'vemailed them all over the place.
We've mailed them to fivecontinents so far. And we're
happy to do that. We, we justlove the fact that you all are
listening to the show. We'vereally been happy with the
success of it. And you know, wejust wanted to I don't know,
share some cool stuff.

Sage (11:55):
Yeah, it makes it. I don't know, I feel like I don't say
this a lot, like on the podcast,but it makes me really happy
that there are like people outthere. All around the world.
Listen to my voice and thinkingabout what I have to say. Yeah.
So thank you, everyone.

Ethan (12:13):
Thank you. So write us and get your free March merch.
When we put up that form to letpeople you know, submit their
info to get free stickers. Ididn't do this right away. But

(12:35):
like after the first coupledays, I was like, oh, we should
you know put in a field for Doyou have any ideas or comments
or thoughts or whatever. And wegot some great comments. And
they were actually a lot of funrecommendations for movies to
review. You want to read any ofthese are

Sage (12:48):
sure, yeah. So first of all, thank you for everyone who
has already requested stickers.
And thank you for those whosubmitted requests for movies
for us to do because some ofthese are really good ideas.

Ethan (13:00):
Some of the things some of them are movies I've been
saying that we should do for along time.

Sage (13:04):
Yeah, someone said maybe consider alien or Drag Me To
Hell. Again. Alien. Yep. Zombiemovies, which I have been
thinking about. We have seen wesaw in the

Ethan (13:15):
theater, we saw a restored version of nine of the
Living Dead. Yeah. Which wasamazing. It was really cool to
see that empathy. Yeah.

Sage (13:23):
And we also seen Dawn of the Dead. I'm really glad that I
got to see 90 Of The Living Deadin theaters. It was it was
really cool.

Ethan (13:30):
1930 shoes old dark house, there's a recommendation
for what would be cool to seelike a real classic. Yeah, yeah.
Mexican horror film. SpanishMexican,

Sage (13:40):
vintage. TNM miedo.

Ethan (13:43):
Even the winter's afraid, yeah. So please keep the
recommendations coming. Yes. Wereally like those.

Sage (13:48):
We do consider them and read them all. Yeah. So

Ethan (13:51):
and I can guarantee that they're gonna have an impact on
what we're reviewing it. Yeah.

Sage (13:57):
So in conclusion, thank you to everyone who has liked
our podcast enough to representit.

Ethan (14:05):
And please, if you have a moment, please leave a review
online on Apple podcastsespecially it really helps to
because a lot of other podcastsclients use that as a source for
ranking and promoting andsurfacing podcasts. Yeah.

Sage (14:17):
And it makes me so happy to read people's reviews. Like
you have no idea like it. Itmakes me

Ethan (14:25):
really happy. I would say it definitely has a positive
mood impact for you. Yeah, soAnd when my daughter's happy I'm
happy. Okayshall we go on to get into the
meat of the meal? Yes. I mean,potatoes. Okay. You're getting

(14:48):
the main core. Okay. I don'tknow. Maybe I did that
subconsciously. I wasn't.

Sage (14:56):
I thought you were like going. No, I

Ethan (14:58):
should have prepared.
I'll put I like it. Yeah. Allright, let's do a little content
warning then.

Sage (15:03):
Yes. So first of all spoilers. I always say this
every time, but with this movie,especially, we mean, yeah,
spoilers are so importantbecause yeah, you're really
along for the ride with the restof the characters in this one,
you know, like some movies, youknow what's happening from the
beginning? Yeah, but this one,you're kind of with them when

(15:24):
you're unsure of what's goingon. And as it goes along, things
are revealed to the viewer.

Ethan (15:28):
I mean, this was, you know, if you take a movie like
Halloween, you could spoil thatmovie for you. You'd still have
a blast. Yes, still a fun ride.
But this movie is really anonion that gets peeled in front
of you, and

Sage (15:41):
going out with the food.

Ethan (15:45):
But you really don't want you want to start on the
outside. Yeah,

Sage (15:48):
it's it's, I would say it would be a different experience.
Yeah, we already.

Ethan (15:52):
We watched him more than once. And it was great both
times. Yeah. Right. So also interms of content, the horror in
this one is largelypsychological, but there is some
implication of a father havingmolested his child as well as
some gore and a depiction ofsuicide. So if any of that
sounds off limits, feel free tocatch up with us in the next
episode. Yep, onto the summary.

(16:22):
The movie opens with a couple ona pier waiting to be ferried out
to a private island for dinnerat an exclusive restaurant Tyler
played by Nicholas Hoult seemsdismissive and patronizing
towards Margo, play by AnyaTaylor joy.

Sage (16:51):
As the guests clamor aboard the boat, we see that
they represent a cross sectionof high society, including a
Hollywood actor, an old moneycouple arrogant finance bros,
and a food critic.

Ethan (17:16):
The group of a dozen or so guests is offered a tour of
the island by Elsa, played byHong Chow, the restaurant
manager.

(17:47):
After a slightly unsettlingtour, in which Elsa swings
between being a perky tourguide, and a somewhat malicious,
even disdainful presence, theguests are escorted into the
restaurant itself, the giganticfront door swinging ominously
shut behind them.

Sage (18:02):
Until now, we've only known Chef slowik played by
Ralph finds, through theWorshipful comments of Tyler a
snobbish gastronorm as the firstcourses are served slowik shifts
from an ominous presence onlyglimpse in the kitchen to a
domineering martinet, commandingattention at the beginning of
every course with a clap thatechoes through the room like a

(18:22):
gunshot.

Ethan (18:53):
After a couple of high concept courses, the guests are
served tacos with incriminatingimages of their pasts laser
printed onto the tortillas,including evidence of
embezzlement on the part of thefinance bros. A Disappointing
film The actor starred in andrestaurants that closed in
response to the critics reviews.

Sage (19:22):
By the fourth course the tension is palpable and
discomfort comes to a head whenslowik introduces his Sous Chef
Jeremy during the introductionslowik belittles Jeremy's
ability tearing him down untilin tears, Jeremy shoots himself
in front of the horrifiedpatrons.

Ethan (19:39):
This is the turning point after which the course has
become increasingly disturbingand bloody. A patrons fingers
cut off by staff. The men aresubjected to a mock hunt and
each of these nightmares ispresented as part of the menu

Sage (20:02):
eventually realizing she is not truly a part of the high
society crowd and is in fact apaid escort. slowik offers Margo
autonomy over who she dies withthe staff are the patrons.

(20:39):
When she chooses to die with thestaff he tasks or with fetching
something from the smokehouse.
On her way there she breaks intosloths house and finds a
shortwave radio. She calls forhelp and returns quickly to the
restaurant. a Coast Guardofficer arrives responding to
Margot's call, but the patronslast hope of being saved is
dashed when it is revealed thathe is one of flux just in

(20:59):
disguise.

Ethan (21:03):
Margo fed up with her opinions being dismissed all
night, with being the odd oneout among the arrogant, uber
rich and with being served quasiintellectual courses from an
egotistical, joyless cheffinally stands up, turns around
and claps.

(21:49):
She tells slowik She's hungry,and requests a cheeseburger, the
food that slowik first made as ahumble fry cook. After savoring
a single bite, she requests a TOGO Box slowik caught off guard
and perhaps appeased gives it toher and Margo leaves the
restaurant. She starts up a boatand motors out onto the water to
eat her cheeseburger whilewatching the restaurant and

(22:11):
everyone in it burn alive aspart of the final flaming
corpse, leaving her the solesurvivor.

Sage (22:24):
Okay, wow. So

Ethan (22:27):
all right on to our discussion

Sage (22:35):
so we were talking about this, but in regards to his
relationship with the horrorcategory

Ethan (22:41):
Sure. A horror film actually, yeah, if not ended the
podcast. Yeah, it was. Thanksfor joining us.

Sage (22:48):
Yeah, like you said, it's kind of more of like a dark
social commentary, right? Ifanyone listening has seen
parasite, I think this movie ishorror in the same way that
parasite is, like if you were toclassify this movie as part of
the horror genre, then you'dhave to do the same with
parasite. So

Ethan (23:07):
yeah, I mean, parasite is kind of horror in, I guess a
couple of ways. I and I don'tknow if it gets classified as
war as a film. Yeah, I don'tknow. It's it's like social
comedy. Yeah,

Sage (23:17):
for sure. The things in both movies in the menu and in
parasites. The things happeningare horrific,

Ethan (23:24):
or horrific. Yes. It's been on this one. There's
definitely more blood gore.
Yeah, yeah. So I think this oneis a little bit closer. Now. I
just want to say, though, thatwhen I saw and I think they do
this intentionally. But when Isaw the trailer, I really felt
like there was the implicationthat they were going to they
were going to eat the rich. Idon't know if you picked up
like, if you felt like that wasgonna happen or not. I don't

(23:44):
know if I saw the traileractually. Okay, so that that
does not happen in this film.
Right. Right. And I think it's aI mean, that would have been,
that's sort of the obvious firstthought, and knows a little on
the nose. Also, just like if youhad to like, Okay, we're gonna
write a movie about the rich ina restaurant, right with this

(24:04):
resentful chef. You're you'regonna write the first idea you
have is what if they'recannibals, you know? And, and
there is a little bit of that,like, foreshadowing when they
walk you to the getting a tour.
And there's like this meatcuring shed or Yeah, or like
much kind of meat is it? Butit's not. It's not that. Yeah.
And I'm glad it's not that

Sage (24:27):
move. Right. that I feel like that would be too. Yeah, I

Ethan (24:30):
mean, like the cannibal chefs on an island. Okay. Yes.
Okay. Now, this is moreinteresting. It's more nuanced.
And it's not like there's beensomething nefarious going on
forever and ever. This is like,a shot deal. Yeah. Well, there
is something that's been goingon forever and ever, which is
slowik has been a corruption ofhis Yeah, everyone, himself and

(24:51):
everyone around him. Yeah, hisart. He feels his art as a chef
has been corrupted. He isjoyless. He is, you know,
hopeless peace. weigh literallysuicidal and that has infected
and corrupted not only hiscooking but everybody around him
really?

Sage (25:06):
Yeah. Like his whole staff. Yeah. is willing to die

Ethan (25:10):
with him. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's definitely kind of
a

Sage (25:13):
cult. Yeah. Oh, no, for sure. You know, going I think
that is kind of that starts atthe very beginning because you
know, he claps all the chefsstand at attention. Yeah. They
say, you know, like, yes, Jeffand unison. Yeah, that's all
very unsettling and cultish.

Ethan (25:29):
To me. So but, but just bringing it back to our initial
point, this is, is it a horrorfilm? I think it is.

Sage (25:37):
I would, yeah, I would call it. Yeah.

Ethan (25:39):
I mean, there's there's some moments where you're like,
yeah, they're horrific thingsthat happen, but it's more of
kind of a dance between hismadness. And this, this girl
who's been kind of captured ortrapped in this situation? Yeah,
almost accidentally. Yeah. Doyou want to lay out kind of
let's, let's explain more aboutthat. I mean, I think hopefully,

(26:00):
everybody listening to thisepisode, has seen the movie. I
hope so. But Anya Taylor Joy'scharacter, Margo? Yeah. Yeah. At
first when you see her andTyler, what do you think you?
Yeah. So

Sage (26:13):
at first, you think there are a couple kind of bickering a
little bit? Yeah, that I thinkthat's what really makes it seem
like they're a couple is theyhave that level of comfort where
they don't have to be super niceand formal to each other all the
time. Right? Because of course,we've gone past Yeah, the first
interaction you see is Tylerreprimanding Margo for smoking a
cigarette because it'll likecrush her palate or something

(26:35):
like that. And so you like thefirst time you watch it, you're
like, oh, there are a couple.
The second time you watch itafter you realize that Margo is
an escort that he's hired. Yourealize that Tyler is kind of an
asshole.

Ethan (26:48):
Yeah, he wouldn't be anyhow. He would be like a bad
boyfriend. Yeah. Just from theway he's treating her.

Sage (26:53):
Yeah, but because he doesn't have that level of
closeness with her. Like he justhired her.

Ethan (27:00):
Yeah, he's really treating her like trash. Yeah.

Sage (27:03):
Yeah. So, um, I think that's interesting. Again,
firstly, you know, like watchingthings a second time through.

Ethan (27:10):
Okay, let me let me just, yeah, no, no, I want to come in
on that. That's interesting,because I'm just thinking in my
head like, why is it he seemsworse when at that that scene
makes him seem much worse onceyou know that he's hired her as
an escort. And I think it'sbecause when you first meet
somebody, you kind of are onyour best behavior. Usually,
well, yeah, definitely. You wantthat person to have a good

(27:32):
impression of you? Yeah. Andhe's not even doing that.
Although the reasons for likehis mental his state of mind at
that point is it takes a whileto realize Yeah, and even having
seen it twice, you know, I kindof like forgot. Yeah, he knows.

Sage (27:45):
He knows. All alone happen. He knows that everyone
is going to die because Chefslowik invited him months before
telling him everyone is gonnadie when they get to the island.
Elsa, the restaurant manager?
Yeah, the lady who gives a tour.
She's a little confused aboutwhy Margo is there. Because what
Yeah, who she is because theoriginal guest some of the

(28:08):
original? Yeah, I like Margo orno Tyler's ex girlfriend? I
think so. Yeah. Something likethat. And it's revealed that the
reason he hired Margo is becauseJeff slowik didn't offer seating
for one. That's right. Andthat's when I think that's when
Margaret slaps him, which I lovethat part. Yeah,

Ethan (28:24):
well, this is after she finds that, you know, later on
in the film, yes. She knowswhat's happening. Yeah,
basically, they're all gonnadie. And she's like, You knew
this, you knew that we were allgonna die. Yeah. And she's also
slowik. The chef, by the way,who's so let's, let's lay this
out. You know, he is very muchthis cuisine chef in the style

(28:46):
of Noma, the Danish restaurant,or what was the other one that's
around here in Seattle in theSeattle and Washington State the
willows? Yeah, right. These areboth famous and infamous. You
could even say notoriousrestaurants that are a cuisine.
They're both high concept. Andthe Willis in particular has a
lot of parallels with this therest of with the Hawthorne,

(29:08):
which is the restaurant movie,in that it is on an island, and
in both Noma and Hawthornelocally, so Noma and the
willows, both locally, sourceand the Willows recently closed.
I think Noma and also recentlyclosed, because the basically
the chef was also he's notoriousjerk, but he was like, this is

(29:28):
unsustainable, this level oflike, insane craft attention to
detail just too much. Thewillows here in Washington State
closed the one on the islandthat closed because it turns out
they were lying abouteverything. And there was like,
you know, sexual assault andharassment allegations left and
right. They were lying about,you know, their claim that they
locally sourced everything onthe island that they're feeding

(29:49):
their guests turned out not tobe true, because it was just too
great a volume of stuff and theycouldn't do it and there's too
much year round variation andvariability because of climate.
So yeah, so it turned out to bea complete fiction or or largely
a fiction is so this is a verykind of toxic industry you're
talking about. And this movie isdefinitely it plays on that.
Although, again, what'sinteresting going back to our

(30:11):
comment about Megan, this moviehad to be in production before
both of those restaurantsclosed.

Sage (30:18):
Yeah. So it's really funny that yeah, they close after. Or
at least I know, Noma closedafter he came out. So

Ethan (30:30):
yeah, that was the last straw. Yeah.

Sage (30:33):
So someone on their side, yeah.

Ethan (30:40):
Anyhow, I guess I was saying that slowik, the chef who
runs this place, he's very muchin that, in that vein of like
the the absolute perfectionist,yet, you know, nobody's good
enough.

Sage (30:51):
And he realizes that he's kind of lost what he became a
chef for and yeah, yeah, right.
And Mario, Mario sees that. Andin the end, when she stands up
and claps to the another greatmoment, she tells him like, she
says, like, you're single,you're a chef, you're single

(31:13):
purpose on this earth is to makeand serve food that people might
actually enjoy it and youfailed.

(31:39):
Right, and, you know, she talksabout how his food is loveless.
And

Ethan (31:44):
it was yeah, it was so hungry. Yeah, it was made with
absolutely no love. Yeah. Right.

Sage (31:50):
And it's great. Because she's saying all of like, she's
externalizing, all of his fears,all these things that, like the
reason that he's going to killthem all, is because of
everything she's saying. Like heknows that what he's doing isn't
what he set out to dooriginally, it's become kind of

(32:11):
twisted and corrupted and andwhat has corrupted it. Money.

Ethan (32:15):
Money, money. Yes. So that's a theme throughout the
movie, right? Is that almosteverybody that is killing, with
one exception is the actor,which we'll come back to. But
almost everybody does killing issort of like this, like very
well, the actors rich to yeah,there's there's money and power.
And people who are all thesepeople are people that he

(32:36):
considers takers, right? Yeah, Ithink those are the terms you
use gives givers and takers,givers or takers. And they're
all takers. They don't. Theytake but they don't create.
Yeah.

Sage (32:45):
And so you know, so for Lillian, the critic, she just
kind of wields her power as acritic, and she will make
restaurants close with like onebad review. And then the couple
the rich couple. I think Annaand Richard. Yes. They've been
there to Hawthorn 11 times, Ithink in the past year. Yeah.

(33:06):
Which is like crazy. Yeah. Like,you have to be super rich to do
that. Yeah. So

Ethan (33:10):
this is just to clarify, like $1,200, a plane minimum,
yeah, reservations, years inadvance, etc, etc.

Sage (33:16):
And so slowik asks them to name a single meal or like a
single course that they've hadover the past 12 visits, they've
had to author and they can'tname a single one, do it.
Because for them, it's not aboutfood that they're eating. It's
about the fact that they'reeating it.

Ethan (33:34):
The fact that they're eating there at that restaurant,
that there they have exclusiveaccess.

Sage (33:38):
Yeah, exclusive. I think that's a really important word.
Yeah, we were.

Ethan (33:41):
So this is interesting, because I think you and I were
talking about this a little bitearlier. And that is that there
are some cultural experiences,which are kind of implicitly of
the people for the people by thepeople. Yeah. That then over
time, become bifurcated intolike low and high and accessible

(34:02):
and inaccessible, and becomekind of signifiers of status.
Yeah. And my you know, one ofthe examples I used the things
like opera or Shakespeare,things that used to be very
accessible to the common peopleto the hoi polloi. Right. And
you would, you know, like,opera, you would find a very

(34:23):
broad cross section of society.
Going to see the opera, youwould find very broad selection
of cross section of societygoing to see Shakespeare plays
at the Globe Theater, so, sobroad that you would even have
like, not just the cheap seats,but you'd have like the cheap no
seats where people would see himdance. Yeah, they were called
the under standards. Yeah, youknow, now you think of
Shakespeare It sounds very upperclass. You know, opera sounds

(34:45):
very upper class. Yeah. In here.
You have this whole diningexperience eating as something
that is bifurcated into thislike ultra inaccessible oat
cuisine book years in advance.
You know, high concept stuff.
That just is, I mean, it's up inthe clouds, you know, and it's
not something that touches ourlives or enhances or enriches

(35:08):
our lives. And now you couldclaim as as is claimed in say,
The Devil Wears Prada, that evenmovie Yeah, that haute couture
high fashion, that stuff ends upkind of trickling down. That's
right. Yeah. I don't believethat that's necessarily true
with the whole cuisineexperience, but maybe it is.

Sage (35:29):
I think. I think there can be imitations of that.

Ethan (35:33):
Now. You've been you've been to a fancy restaurant
fairly recently.

Sage (35:35):
I have. Yeah. I

Ethan (35:36):
mean, I've had similar experiences, but we've never had
one together. Yeah. You were inPenang, right? Yeah. When you
have this meal? Yep. And I wastrapped in a hotel in
quarantine. Because I had COVID.

Sage (35:48):
But it was like, the first time I'd ever been to like a
really fancy restaurant, youknow? And it was weird. Yeah,
I'd never been to something likethat. And it was like in the
menu, like, there were a bunchof really tiny courses. Like, I
could have eaten everything in asingle bite. And I did almost

(36:09):
accidentally, right. Yeah. Andit was all just like, weird
food. And, you know, maybe I'mnot cultured, maybe my palate.
No,

Ethan (36:16):
but really, no, I push back on that, you know, it's,

Sage (36:20):
I don't know, maybe I take my I don't know, if I see how
something like that would beenjoyable on a regular basis.

Ethan (36:26):
I think that it's interesting. It can be
interesting and cool to saylike, here is this, you know, we
know you love peanut butter andjelly. Okay, so here's
deconstructed peanut butter andjelly. It's a grape and we've,
you know, we've taken it andwe've blended it and then gelled
it back into the shape of agrape. And here's peanuts that

(36:47):
have been ground and thenreconstituted, you know, like,
whatever. Right? Yeah. Anddusted with peanut powder. Like
I've eaten stuff like this.
Yeah. Okay. And it's, there'scleverness to it. Right? You're
paying for a clever experience.
Yeah, sure. Yeah, I

Sage (37:03):
know, you're paying for the experience, not the food.

Ethan (37:05):
For sure that it plays like Noma though, they really
are trying to go out and likesource local stuff. Right.
That's kind of cool. And I thinkthat that can trickle down that
the local, right? I don't know,it doesn't seem sustainable. Or
like, I also like, man, give melike a big bowl of some risotto
or something partway through.

Sage (37:22):
Yeah. No, I needed like, I, I kept being like, when is
the main thing?

Ethan (37:29):
You had it already? Two courses? Yeah. Oops,

Sage (37:31):
I missed, like what?

Ethan (37:34):
I will say, and I don't want to give too many details
about that place, because Idon't want to totally trash
Yeah, but I had some. So at theend of the night, much like in
the menu, they give you atakeaway bag. Yeah. And you take
it away. And it's, you know, hassome of their signature pieces
in it. You guys brought thatback to me, because I was stuck
in the hotel all alone, eatingnothing, but like, coffee and

(37:56):
noodles, which I love. But youbrought that to me. And it was
like the most disappointing.
Take away back. I

Sage (38:05):
remember what it was.
Yeah, I

Ethan (38:06):
can't. But I don't want to say because it'll give it
away the name of the restaurant.
But it was I was I was less thanimpressed. I've had kind of
mixed experiences. Yeah. I mean,I was saying before, I'm

Sage (38:15):
like, I appreciate that experience. I appreciate that. I
was able to have that. Like,absolutely. I don't know if I
would choose myself to go backto something like that. But

Ethan (38:25):
he is doing that kind of cooking more rewarding than
doing just regular good. I don'tknow, because I'm not a chef.
But I have to wonder. It'scertainly it gets you more
attention in certain magazinesgets you prizes. But does it
satisfy you?

Sage (38:41):
Do you know that the people you're serving are
really, like genuinely lovingthe food? And this is another
part?

Ethan (38:49):
Is it the you know, I think a lot of times it's
emperor's new clothes becausepeople are like so afraid to
like not know, listen, thiseverybody enjoys just paid to
enjoy it.

Sage (38:56):
This is something that I was thinking about is everyone
in the menu. They are makingthemselves like the food. Yes.
Because that's what they'resupposed to do. They're supposed
to be enjoying this fancyexpensive food that they paid to
be there for. And I think it'sreally apparent in the second
quarters, which is the breadlist bread plate. It's just an
empty plate with like a fewlittle dots of like,

Ethan (39:18):
yes, it's literally the emperor has no bread. Yeah,
right.

Sage (39:21):
And they're all being served in there. Like this is a
joke, right? And it's at themoment you're like they're not
really happy with like whatthey're getting. Yeah, but they
have to

Ethan (39:30):
be because you kind of hear them slowly talk themselves
into loving Yeah, yeah. They'relike,

Sage (39:35):
like, Oh, this is genius.
You know, he's always he's soaware of the relationship of
food and economics and like,like you want bread

Ethan (39:45):
Yeah, and now and then of course, you know, like the later
on the the finance bros who arereprehensible and we don't feel
sad at all that they perish.
They they asked for bread butthey do it in a way, which is
about wielding power. Right.
Right. And Margo also is like adissatisfied. But for her it's

(40:12):
not about power. It's about justexpecting to receive decent
service. Yeah, it's like you'rethe costume you

Sage (40:20):
in desire for getting what you paid for, which is good
food.

Ethan (40:24):
Yeah. She's like, you're the customer? Of course you can
ask. Yeah. Right. And you don'tknow it at that point. But when
you find out later on that she'san escort you're like, okay, and
you know, like, and he talks,you know, slower. The chef. And
Margot have a conversation atone point. Yeah. Where they talk
about he talks about being aservice provider.

Sage (40:42):
Yeah, he's like I can, I can tell you're like a service
worker, because I am as well. Ithink he asks her like, do you
enjoy providing your services?
And she says, I used to Right.
Exactly like him, right? Yeah,exactly. Like him. You know,
something changed along the wayfrom when both of them started
offering their services to whenlike to where they are now.

(41:02):
Yeah. And neither of them arehappy anymore
there's something I wanted tomention right back to the bread
this bread thing. When the likefinance bros. are asking the Ask
Elsa for bread. They like callher over.

Ethan (41:21):
Yes. Play by Hong Chow.
Yeah, amazing. I love her. Oh,good. Yeah, yeah. Have you seen
the poker face episode with her?
Yeah, right. Okay.

Sage (41:27):
So such like two different roles, like so different.

Ethan (41:31):
She was also in Watchmen, which I don't think you've seen
that TV show. Were totally worthseeing that that series. But
yeah,

Sage (41:37):
I think I think she's really good in the movie, like,
very unsettling one of the bestcharacters, in my opinion. But
they call her over and ask forbread. And she says, No. And
they clearly were not expectingthat. They clearly have never
heard that word in their lives,right? And they're like, huh,
she's like I said, No. And, youknow, it goes back and forth for

(41:58):
a little while. And then sheleans down and whispers in one
of their ears, you will eat lessthan you desire and more than
you deserve. And if I had tochoose a single quote from the
entire film, to sum it up, Iwould choose that quote, and
just to sum up wealthy people ingeneral. Yes, they want. So

Ethan (42:21):
McGinnis Subtitle This, by the way are eat the rich
episode.

Sage (42:25):
All right. Elon Musk,

Ethan (42:26):
let's kind of Sure. Yes.
The poster child for Yeah, itwas, well,

Sage (42:31):
you know, he bought Twitter. Why did you buy
Twitter? Because he wanted it?
Yeah. Was it smart? Absolutelynot. Is it capable of running it
clearly? See floundering? Yes.
But he bought it because hewanted it because he always
wants more. Yeah. And he got itbecause he has the means to
access it. Yes.

Ethan (42:49):
This is a good example of why people shouldn't have that
much

Sage (42:51):
money. Does he deserve all that money? No. Does he desire
it? And more? Yes. And it's sofrustrating because the people
who are always, like wanting formore and more and more are the
people who already haveeverything.

Ethan (43:05):
And so let's go let's talk about that, in the context
of this film for a second.
slowik has made a kind of adevil's bargain with a financier

Sage (43:14):
and Varick dog, Varick angel investors.

Ethan (43:18):
That's right, his angel investor. That's, that's the
whole time. And, you know, youslug is a monster in this movie.
But he is a monster that youfeel sympathy for more than once
in the film. The reason I guessI feel sympathy for him
occasionally in the film isbecause he is self aware. And
he's aware of, you know, being amonster. Yeah, right. He's the

(43:39):
monster who knows he's amonster. And he regrets it.
Unfortunately, the way that heseeks absolution and a return to
humanity has by killing himselfin his staff, mind you,
everybody, apparently does thisvolitionally. But that's
clearly, you know, everybody'soff their rocker in this film.
So, but he a couple of times,the film was really rooting for

(44:00):
him. And I have to admit, like,at one point, you know, the
finance bros are all up in arms.
And he has revealed to them thathe knows that they are like
embezzling and that they arethat they are up to no good to.
And then he's like, okay, let's,we're gonna preserve the next
course, which is fallen angel.
And it's Doug Varrick, the angelinvestor, suspended outside on a

(44:21):
crane of some sort, which youdon't really see it's going to
off screen. At this point. It'snighttime, it's full dark, and
you just see him illuminated bylike a spotlight up in the air
slowly.

Sage (44:31):
He has these huge angel wings.

Ethan (44:34):
It's so there's some really funny moments like that.
It's very comedic. Yeah. Yeah,there's lots of lots of humor.
Mostly mostly dark but of humor.
And

Sage (44:45):
they like slowly lower him into the water and he drowns.
Yeah. Yeah. I was like, it'scrazy.

Ethan (44:52):
Yeah. And then and he and everybody's horrified and slow
because

Sage (44:56):
like, because three Yeah, because the finance bros
actually work for Doug Beric

Ethan (45:00):
That's right. And at one point, they tried to wield their
power by saying, you know, whowe work with. Right? Yeah. And
she says, No, you work for him.
Yeah. She's very aware of therelationship, the power
relationship there, right?

Sage (45:12):
Because, actually, I think the the whole story is that
slowik relinquished ownership ofthe restaurant to Doug Varrick
to stay afloat during thatpandemic, and took advantage of
it. Yeah. So that's why hedrowns. I see, John,

Ethan (45:31):
the whole premise is horrific. But you know, the
other interesting thing, okay,so slugs, madness, this descent
into madness is orchestratedvery carefully as a menu. You
know, the first courses are odd,but not disturbing. It gets bad
when he brings out his souschef, as we mentioned in the
summary, and his sous chef killshimself in front of everybody.

(45:52):
Yeah. But even then, you kind ofthink, you know, they're,
they're still tellingthemselves, it's just part of an
act. It's just

Sage (45:59):
like the critic. She goes, like, this is acting. It's a
show. It's, this is what hedoes. Yeah. It's so crazy. But
you see how they deludethemselves. But

Ethan (46:10):
even even at the end, there are many opportunities.
And he even mentions this, hesays, like, you know, when they
think they're about to berescued by a Coast Guard
officer, who turns out to not beCoast Guard turns out to be
shot, right or shattering. Yes.
He said, he's warning them. He'slike, don't do anything. And
also ask yourself, yeah, whydidn't you do it? Yes. Hold
night. Why didn't you raise

Sage (46:30):
it? Like, you probably could have taken us? Yeah, yeah.
And it's a really good questionto ask like, and it's like, Why
do you think? Well, it's like,the herd mentality. And also, I
think there's something there'sa part of them that knows that.
Maybe they deserve a little bitat this, especially at the very
end. Yeah. Especially in an thewealthy couple. Like, it's

(46:51):
Richard and Anne. Yeah. WhenMargo is leaving the restaurant
and kind of shoes her along.
Yeah, she's

Ethan (46:57):
like, leave take, you know, while you can.

Sage (46:59):
She knows. Yeah. And they all know, I think,

Ethan (47:01):
I think also, there's a deep need to participate. Yeah,
that they all have. It's like,

Sage (47:07):
this is the menu that keeps me like, this is the menu.
This is the menu.

Ethan (47:11):
It's all it's all consensual. Yeah. Right. Like
the that that toxic industrydoesn't exist without consensual
participation by the ultrawealthy. Yeah. And the ultra
wealthy derive something fromit, which is exclusivity, right?
They, it means something tothem, because it can't mean
anything to anybody else,because nobody else can access.

(47:32):
Exactly. And so they they haveto participate. Because if they
don't participate, then itdoesn't have any meaning.

Sage (47:40):
Exactly. Yeah.
Another thing that kind ofoccurred to me after I watched
the movie, is that the way sheescapes by asking for her burger
to go I love is so much. It's ashare is odd moment.

Ethan (48:03):
Yes. You mentioned this to me and a blew my mind. Lay it
out. Okay, so,

Sage (48:09):
if you haven't heard the story of Sahara Zod, it's like
an old myth or legend orsomething.

Ethan (48:15):
What is it? I would say?
It's a folk tale. That was Yeah,but yeah, it's so it's the 1001
nights or the Arabian Nights,right.

Sage (48:24):
And so the story goes. Now this is a little rough, because
I haven't heard it in a while.
But this is what I remember. Iread it to you. And yeah, the
story goes that I read it toyou. There's this king and every
woman that he marries, he killsthat night, or like the day or
the day after whatever. Yeah,and he just keeps marrying woman

(48:47):
and killing them and marryingwomen and killing them. Yeah.
And then one day, there's thisone lady. She hair is odd. Yeah,
she's like, I'm gonna stop this.
I'm gonna stop him from killingwoman. Yeah, it's like horrible.
But she she's gonna stop him.

Ethan (49:08):
Can you imagine this is also the premise of like,
children's?

Sage (49:11):
Yeah, it's

Ethan (49:14):
they, those they went pretty hard stories hundreds of
years ago.

Sage (49:19):
But yeah, so it's, um, what she does, yeah, is she
marries him. And that night, shestarts to tell him a story. And
it's so gripping. That hepromises her one more day to
finish the story. She's like,well, you can't kill me because

(49:39):
you'll never know what happens.
Yeah. And he's like, okay. Andhe gives her another day. Yeah.
She continues the story. Andagain, leaves it on a
cliffhanger right over and overand over again every single
night. She tells him a littlemore of the story, and promises
another day and that's how sheIt's an to stop.

Ethan (50:01):
Yeah. Eventually.
Eventually he comes to hissenses.

Sage (50:04):
Yeah, yeah. And that, I don't know why

Ethan (50:08):
after like, 1000 I was he was like, Hey, girls pretty
cool.

Sage (50:13):
Yeah. So that's what that reminded me of. Yes. Like a
little loophole a way for her to

Ethan (50:20):
Yeah, yeah. No, no, I totally agree. I feel like she
kind of she found like thebackdoor and it was psyche. A
little. Yeah. Right. Actually,almost literally the backdoor.

Sage (50:29):
Because when she's in his house, which, by the way, is an
exact replica of the restaurant.
She breaks into his house. I wasso curious to see what it was
like. It's just the restaurantwith a bed in the corner. Yeah,
it's, it's truly terrifying.

Ethan (50:44):
Which also makes you realize, it's, it's terrifying.
Why is it terrifying?

Sage (50:48):
His life is his art. And he's not happy with his art.

Ethan (50:52):
Yeah. Yes. And there's no escape for him. Has he been his
refuge? Yes. He's just, it'sjust more rest

Sage (50:58):
misery. Yeah. But so she goes into this little back room.
And that's where she finds theshortwave radio. But that's also
where she finds a series ofphotographs from his life. And
one of them is him as like ateenager as a fry, cook, the fry
cook looking genuinely happyflipping burgers. Yeah, yep. And
that's kind of that for me. Isaw that. And that was like a

(51:20):
little moment of realization forme. And when she said she was
hungry, I knew I was like, Oh,she's gonna ask her burger. And
it's great. Because it like getsat his deep, like core memories
of what I love. Yeah. When heloved what he did, yeah. And the
montage of him making the burgerthe music is II thorough, and

(51:45):
like beautiful. And you know,he's happy. Yeah. for like the
last time ever, but

Ethan (51:53):
it's a really, he's he really almost sounds like a
different person. He has adifferent tone in his voice and

Sage (52:00):
it's really moving.

Ethan (52:24):
That's really a beautifully written scene. I
think, first of all superimpressed with her performance,
and I think she and NicholasHoult. Yeah, they're just so
well cast together. Yeah, I loveit. But they do so well.
Together. Yeah. So many littlenuances.

Sage (52:39):
Yeah. Just you can tell like there's like tension
between them. Yeah. And

Ethan (52:43):
like Nicolas whole, like through the whole movie, like,
at first, he seems like a jerk,but normal. And then slowly. He
is so easy to hate. Yeah. And healso just gets like, you're
like, he's he's gone completelyaround the bend. He's like
stuffing his face with food.
He's like, grabbing her plate.
He's just like, just like thisbottomless black hole was paid

(53:04):
like black hole that just wantsto consume all this like food.
Yeah.

Sage (53:09):
And he would not enjoy it.
No, yeah. And he's like, Well,the raw witches fingers being
cut off. I think he's like, verynonchalant. Well, like, oh,
yeah, the guy killed himself.
And you know, every through allof this. He's just, like, fine.
And it makes a little more sensewhen you see it the second time
and know that he knows he'sknown.

Ethan (53:29):
He's really kind of dissociated. Yeah, that's
exactly

Sage (53:33):
it. It's like, it's really unsettling. And you can tell
he's the most, like resigned andaccepting is fate. Out of all of
them, maybe even out of like,the staff as well. Yeah. Eager.
He's totally he's eager to die.

Ethan (53:48):
Yeah. But so so just to bring it back to Anya Taylor joy
is Margo. Yeah. At the sothroughout the film, she knows
herself, right. She's very selfaware. She is also very aware of
like, what her boundaries are,yeah, what she will accept and
what she won't, right.
Especially this is like a secondviewing kind of thing. But like,
you really know, like, she'slike, even I am an escort. But
I, you know, I value myself, Ihave self respect. Even if she

(54:11):
doesn't love what she does,right? At this point. She's lost
the love of it, and theenjoyment of it, she still is
very self possessed. That iswhat slowik runs straight
headfirst into, and he confrontsher at one point during the
film, he's like, you know,several times actually confronts
her, like, he actually goes intothe bathroom, when she's having
a cigarette. He calls her intohis office into the kitchen, and
it was office like he'sconstantly like, trying to

(54:32):
figure out what to do with thisperson who doesn't fit because
she's self possessed. Becauseshe approaches food a totally
different way. She just doesnot. She's not complicit. Yeah.
So he does this thing, as youmentioned there the whole movie,
which is the clap, and that clapis like his signal for everybody
to shut up and listen to him. Ina moment. He claps all the other
sous chefs and all the otherchefs in the kitchen there.

(54:55):
They'll stop what they're doing.
They turn they face him. All thepatrons stop and Turn on the
face him. It's like a gunshot.
Yeah, I just love that momentwhere she claps Yes. Because
it's literally like, onscreen.
She has taken his power away, orshe's she has acquired his
power. Yeah. You know,

Sage (55:13):
exactly. He's like she's kind of risen to his level. And
that's really surprising to him.
Yeah. Because like, it's like,anyone can clap. Yeah, but no
one chose anybody

Ethan (55:21):
could have at any moment, right? Anybody could have
asserted themselves. But insteadof asserting themselves, they
subject themselves to him,because that is part of the
experience. And the irony of allthat is despite subjecting
themselves to the chef into thecuisine, they think themselves
above it all too. Yeah, right.
It's a weird relationship.

Sage (55:43):
Yeah, like, Tyler is very dismissive of any of the chefs
that aren't slowik. Yeah, like,at one point, he's talking to
one of the chefs. And I thinkMargo goes, like, aren't you
gonna ask his name? And I waslike, Oh, whatever. It doesn't
matter. Because he doesn'treally think of any of them as
chefs, except for slower thewhole time. He's very rude to
everyone except for slowik.
Yeah, and there's this reallygreat scene. Okay. So what

(56:04):
happens is, the tacos come outwith all the images laser
printed onto them for Tyler theimage. It's just a picture of
him taking a picture of the foodlike earlier on in the evening,
because they say like, nopictures ways. And he
immediately pulls out her phone,takes pictures. And she's like,
they can't do that. Send itback. And she's like, he tells
her like, you don't send foodback. And he says that he she's

(56:27):
being like, childish. Yeah. Andhe's just Yes, sir. He's been
very rude to her. And she says,like, you can't speak to me that
way. You have to apologize to meright now. And he says, No, I
don't because I'm paying.

Ethan (56:41):
Right. And at that point, of course, he still thinks
because he's paying for themeal. Yeah. I didn't realize he
thinks he's just paying. He'spaying for her.

Sage (56:46):
Yeah. And so that's when she gets up and leaves to go to
the bathroom to smoke acigarette, and then she has that
encounter with slowik.

Ethan (56:58):
So let's see, what were we talking about? We're talking
about the end of the movie whereshe kind of acquires his power
and great scene of the end whereshe motorboats out into the bay.
Like watches the place burnwhile she's eating a
cheeseburger. I really wipingher face with a menu.

Sage (57:14):
The menu. Great. Yeah, like that's like the last scene
is her like using the menu as anapkin? Yeah. Also, that
cheeseburger looks so good.

Ethan (57:23):
It does look real good.
It's somebody who hasn't had acheeseburger for two months. Let
me tell you.

Sage (57:30):
Yeah, that was that a vegan thing working out?

Ethan (57:33):
Well, that's unforced veganism. Unfortunately, it's
working very well.

Sage (57:38):
But yeah, I think overall, I really liked this movie. Yeah.
If somehow you want you listenedto this episode without watching
it yet. I advise you to stillgo. Absolutely. There was a lot
that's in it that we didn't talkabout. Just because there's so
much there's no way because

Ethan (57:56):
there's several moments where I you know, there are
moments where I gasped, where Ilaughed, where I Reilly smiled
and smirked and chuckled. I, youknow, has it I really enjoyed
it. I really enjoyed this film.
And, you know, I Okay, let mecan I offer criticism or two. So
there were definitely moments inthis movie where I felt like it
kind of papered over a littlebit of a suspension of disbelief

(58:21):
that was required, like, youknow, there's the there's a kind
of a mock hunt at one pointwhere they hunt all the men, and
they bring them back. They'relike, you can escape if you
want, but we're gonna run youdown. Right, we're gonna chase
after you. And I kind of feltlike that was it too neatly
handled? It was it was reallyeasy to bring all the men back
and a couple other moments whereI felt like maybe people would

(58:42):
have put up a little bit moreresistance. But if you're, at
the same time, I didn't have aproblem getting past those
moments in the payoff or gettingpast was very big. Yeah. So no,
I enjoyed it a lot. It was itwas dramatic. It was there were
over the top moments that weregreat. And it also felt very

(59:02):
much like a stage play to me.
Right?

Sage (59:07):
Because it's most of it is in one room. Yeah. And actually,
I think you send this to meMark, my lord, the director got
a lot of inspiration fromparasite in that regard. And
that's when it clicked for methat the big window in the
restaurant. That's like it'sfacing the sea the water. Yeah,

(59:28):
that reminds me of the windowand parasite in the rich
family's home. The huge windowthat like sticks to the entire
wall. That's exactly what itreminds me of.

Ethan (59:41):
Alright, thanks, everybody for joining us. That
was pretty much wraps up ourdiscussion section. Yep.

Sage (59:46):
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Sage (01:00:02):
Yep, let us know what films you'd like to hear us
review. See you next episode.

Ethan (01:00:06):
See you then. Bye bye Wait I'm not getting paid $0 Can
you just imagine what you justtold me the cheque was? Also
what how come if we livetogether how can we mail the

(01:00:27):
check to me? It's comes for taxreasons.

Sage (01:00:31):
Yes, yeah. Okay.