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March 18, 2025 24 mins

If President Donald Trump has his way, the United States Defense Department will soon discharge as many as 15,000 transgender service members from the nation’s armed forces. Among the brave men and women standing their ground against the purge is Col. Bree Fram, an officer in the U.S. Space Force.

Fram, who joined the military in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, brings decades of experience to the Pentagon, where she works to prepare the military for the high-tech threats of the future. Her own future is not so clear.

Journalist David Hunt talked with Fram about her life, her service and a family legacy of courage under fire. Produced for This Way Out: The International LGBTQ Radio Magazine. Fram's views are her own and do not represent the U.S. government or the Department of Defense.

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David Hunt is an Emmy-winning journalist and documentary producer who has reported on America's culture wars since the 1970s. Explore his blog, Tell Me, David.

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