July 29, 2025 • 48 mins
🔥"Your struggles are your superpower."🔥
Join DeShawn Snow and Skido Ortiz on Ten Steps Ahead for an electrifying conversation with resilience warrior Shawn Pigg! From sleeping in abandoned buildings as a homeless teen to building a multi-million-dollar empire, Shawn reveals how he turned life’s darkest moments (divorce, tragedy, and self-doubt) into rocket fuel for success.💪🏾
In this raw, uplifting episode, you’ll discover:
✅ How to REFRAME failure as your secret weapon
✅ Why hitting rock bottom became his greatest blessing
✅ The mindset shift that took him from $0 to CEO
✅ How faith and self-love unlocked his true purpose
🌟"Your purpose doesn’t need permission – CLAIM IT!"🌟
Whether you’re rebuilding after divorce, chasing entrepreneurial dreams, or fighting self-doubt, Shawn’s story will leave you FIRED UP to rewrite your own narrative.
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DeShawn Snow (00:21):
Hi, everyone. Thank you for another episode of
10 Steps Ahead. I'm your girl,DeShawn Snow.
Skido Ortiz (00:26):
Skido in the building.
DeShawn Snow (00:28):
And we have an exciting guest
Skido Ortiz (00:30):
with us Shawn, my man, Shawn Piggs.
DeShawn Snow (00:33):
Mr. Sean Pigg.
Skido Ortiz (00:35):
I love it.
Shawn Pigg (00:35):
Thank you. Thank you for allowing me I here love it.
Skido Ortiz (00:38):
I love it. Hey, so everybody know that this show is
universal. Right? We're talkingabout everything worldwide.
We're gonna have certain guests,special guests coming on.
And, Shawn, I'm so happy you'reable to be one of our first
guests on here. I mean,actually, it's two on two, you
and VA, but just we're excitedabout having these guests and
interviewing you, man. Andyou're doing a lot. You've done
(01:00):
a lot of great things andinspirational things out here,
and I needed you to come on theshow and share it, man. I was
telling the show about you, andwe're glad to have you here.
Shawn Pigg (01:08):
Well, thank you for the invite.
DeShawn Snow (01:10):
Definitely. So you're a master at turning
life's toughest moment intostrategic fuel, because we're
all about chestnut checkers. Asa resilient strategy and
speaker, you help people andorganizations reframe adversity
as their secret weapon. So I'mexcited to learn a little bit
more about you. Your work is allabout owning your story, but
(01:32):
let's start with yours.
If you have to connect the dotsbetween the Shawn of ten years
ago to the guy you are today,what's the real thread that ties
it all together?
Shawn Pigg (01:44):
It is the the growth that I've experienced within.
DeShawn Snow (01:47):
Okay.
Shawn Pigg (01:48):
As you go through challenges in life, you can, you
know, view them as obstacles oryou can view them as lessons.
And if you view it as a lesson,then you'll be able to get
through that challenge.Absolutely. The challenges that
I've experienced, not only inthe last ten years, but my
entire life, has taught me howto be resilient, has taught me
how to overcome, has taught mepatience, and most importantly,
(02:12):
has brought me closer to God.
DeShawn Snow (02:15):
Which is the purpose of it all.
Shawn Pigg (02:16):
Absolutely. Yes. Without God, I wouldn't be able
to be moving in the directionI'm moving into now. And I
didn't even find him, you know,truly I've always found him, but
until I went through my divorce.And when I had that moment of
solitude and and I, you know,started diving within and
listening to the spirits and Istarted discovering myself.
DeShawn Snow (02:35):
Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg (02:36):
Which was a which was a big growth, you know,
spurt for me.
DeShawn Snow (02:40):
I always say it's one thing knowing scripture, and
it's another thing experiencingscripture. So I'm with you on
that because when I went when Ialso went through a divorce,
even though I grew up in achurch, you know, understanding
knowing God in that way was agame changer for me.
Skido Ortiz (02:54):
So what I see is when y'all went through y'all
worse, to bring you closer tohim or open up things. But
here's the thing about it isbefore all of that go a lot of
people don't know I mean, that'swhy it's so important to have
something special in your life,you know, being whatever
religion you're in or whatever,if it's a life, whatever, is
positive. That to make thatfirst, don't wait for things to
(03:18):
happen. Because, you know, whenyou make it a to put that first
in your life will create thestop the things that's about to
happen. You understand?
It gives you a kind of God kindait's like another voice, because
we always say, there's twovoices in our head. There's bad
and there's good. Right? Youknow them red flags? We we can
listen to this.
We can listen to that. Some ofthe times, we listen to
(03:39):
ourselves. Right?
Yeah.
But God is always telling you, Listen, man, do the
right thing. And then, you know,the enemy's always like, Nah,
whatever, when you get to it.But with a lot of things comes
consequences. Correct?
Shawn Pigg (03:50):
And no matter what decision you Absolutely. Make,
there's a
Skido Ortiz (03:52):
You know what I'm saying? So on that note, man,
Sean, I know you're here. I seea lot of special things you've
been going doing in in out here,motivational speaker talking,
and I even went to visit yourhouse. We'll go there later.
That was amazing.
We got a story for that. But onthat note, I want I want you to
take us back to the show. Andback then, what made you how how
(04:13):
you became who you was? Whatclicked?
Shawn Pigg (04:17):
Well, when I was 19, I decided to take off from
Indiana and go to Florida andgot off the bus at Daytona
Beach. I think it was 1999 whenMC Hammer was down there.
Skido Ortiz (04:27):
Oh, yeah.
Shawn Pigg (04:28):
You know, I've seen all these beautiful women when I
get off the bus. I'm like, wheredid all these come from? You
know, didn't even exist in mylife in Indiana. And I said, I'm
staying here. So I decided tostay, and I was homeless for a
year and a half.
And, you know, bounced aroundtrying to figure out who I am
and what I was gonna become. Hadno, you know, real true destiny
(04:48):
in life. I just knew that, hey,this is party time for me. So I
stayed down there and washomeless for a year and a half
and was staying in thisabandoned hotel. And one day I
woke up, you know, from this bedthat I was sleeping in.
I looked in the mirror and itwas cracked. And it's almost
like you said, you have twosides of your yourself, the
North Pole and the South Pole,you know? The good and the bad.
(05:10):
So I was looking in this mirrorand I said, What am I doing?
What am I doing?
And then right then it clicked.It said, Okay, it's time to kick
in gear right now. Andimmediately, I went out and I
started working with companiesand helping build companies and
learning my talent. And fromthere, started moving forward,
building my own companies. AndI've owned my own companies now
(05:30):
for over twenty years.
Skido Ortiz (05:31):
Wow. Wow.
DeShawn Snow (05:33):
What was your driving force?
Shawn Pigg (05:35):
I was not going to be what everybody thought I was
gonna become.
DeShawn Snow (05:39):
Yes.
Shawn Pigg (05:39):
And, you know, I was a person I was supposed to be in
debt or in jail or, you know,homeless the rest of my life. I
wasn't supposed to becomeanything. And I wanted to prove
each and every person wrong.That was my drive. That's my
fuel.
Tell me I can't do it. Watch medo it 10 times better than what
I was going to.
DeShawn Snow (05:55):
Now did you have that belief in yourself? Because
sometimes we do it scared. Butdid you have the belief in
yourself, or did you do itscared?
Shawn Pigg (06:01):
I it once I seen that correct mirror, that's when
I started believing in myself. Isaid, I can do it. If I can be
homeless, then I can also bewealthy.
Skido Ortiz (06:09):
Can do anything.
Shawn Pigg (06:10):
I had a choice. It's my choice to
DeShawn Snow (06:12):
make. Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg (06:13):
And so I just started driving myself and
haven't stopped.
DeShawn Snow (06:16):
Wow. No, that's awesome.
Skido Ortiz (06:18):
That is amazing. And that on that note, when you
the companies you worked for,what's the first because I know
it took one to really set it up.Because working for somebody is
something else, but being yourown boss is special. You know
what I'm saying? But what madeyou want to be your own what
made you clear?
Because you know there's alwayssomebody that you, you know,
they take advantage you knowwhat I'm saying? When you work
(06:38):
with somebody and you're lookingat them, making them all this
money, and then all a sudden,you're like, You know what? I
could do this on my own. Whatwas it when that started?
I think my breaking point was that I went through a
lot
Shawn Pigg (06:48):
of jobs and a lot of careers. And I think my breaking
point was tired of making otherpeople rich. I was tired of
coming in there, learning theirsystem, mastering their system,
improving their system and thenmaking people rich. And I'm
sitting down here, you know,making a quarter of a million a
year. Like, okay, I'm gettingThis is getting old, and I'm not
seeing my family.
And so I think the breakingpoint of me going from a JOB,
(07:09):
you know, as an employee to, youknow, starting my own company
was when I helped the companybecome a billion dollar company.
I said, okay, this is the secondcompany I helped become be a
billion dollar company, and I'mmaking a quarter of a million a
year. And I said, I'm gonna ifI'm gonna make somebody a
billion dollars, it's
DeShawn Snow (07:24):
gonna be me.
Shawn Pigg (07:25):
Absolutely. Because keep in mind, we can do whatever
we want to
Skido Ortiz (07:28):
do. Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg (07:29):
So I wanted to make that you know, took that step in
you know, that stepping stone,it was definitely a roller
coaster. It was it was but Iwould never take it back.
DeShawn Snow (07:38):
Right. Woah. And the lesson was in the journey,
not the destination. Absolutely.Which we're still evolving,
Shawn Pigg (07:43):
right? 100 Not
DeShawn Snow (07:44):
the year. Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (07:45):
A 100%. Absolutely. It's all about the journey.
Yeah.
DeShawn Snow (07:48):
So all about, authenticity and staying true.
Was there a moment where youthought, screw fitting in. I'm
done hiding my scars. And andhow did you use that to change
the game for you?
Skido Ortiz (08:02):
Well, I would say that would probably have been
after the divorce. Okay.
Shawn Pigg (08:04):
I was with my ex wife for twenty five years. And,
you know, we instantly, youknow, just separated and got a
divorce. As you know, it's noteasy. Yeah. It's gonna bring up
a lot of dark shadows inyourself.
You're gonna learn a lot aboutyourself. You're gonna learn a
lot about where you need to growat, what you need to do to be
able to have that type ofcompanionship where it's a good
(08:26):
situation. Yeah. So when I wasgoing through this trauma and
healing myself and and secluded,you know, I moved out of the
city, bought a whole bunch ofland out in the middle of the
woods. Yeah.
Yeah. You see, I'm in the middle
Skido Ortiz (08:36):
of nowhere. Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (08:38):
That, you know, God put me there for a reason. He
put me there to reallyunderstand who I am, to make my
connection, and to say, okay,Sean, it's time to share your
experience with the world, toshare your journey because
there's people out there thatare going through what I had
been through that don't know howto overcome it.
DeShawn Snow (08:55):
Exactly.
Shawn Pigg (08:56):
And that's my job to help them overcome what they're
going through.
DeShawn Snow (08:59):
Right. That's and that's the whole purpose in any
type of adversity, I feel, that,you know, we go through it so
that we can come out and bringother people out. So even though
we're not at we may only be atchapter 12 in our story, but
someone's in chapter one or twothat needs to hear from us.
Shawn Pigg (09:13):
Absolutely. It's it's not happening to you. It's
happening for
DeShawn Snow (09:16):
you. Exactly.
Shawn Pigg (09:17):
And and you're absolutely a 100% right. And and
people, when you're doing yourvideos or you're doing your
podcast, those people that areat that frequency level that are
supposed to resonate with you atthat time, they're gonna pick up
in whatever chapter you're at.Exactly. And you're gonna help
them continue to grow.Basically, we're giving them a
blueprint.
Skido Ortiz (09:32):
A platform.
Shawn Pigg (09:33):
Yeah. A blueprint life. Okay. Hey. We've done
this.
We've already been there. Thisis how you avoid this. Let me
show you.
Skido Ortiz (09:37):
Mhmm.
Shawn Pigg (09:38):
And it's just giving back you know, in my opinion,
they say, you know, give 10% tocharity. I'm giving a 100% to
the world.
DeShawn Snow (09:45):
Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg (09:46):
You know, so I'm I'm believing in giving myself all
the way back to everybody.
DeShawn Snow (09:49):
I always say, you know, I help people cut decades
into days because it took me tenyears because, like you said,
until you're willing to do thework, hold up that mirror, face
those ugly parts and workthrough that, you know, you
can't heal.
Skido Ortiz (10:02):
-So it -That's took
DeShawn Snow (10:02):
me a long time to get to that point. But then when
you get sick and tired of beingsick and tired, then you're
like, okay, well, I gotta dosomething. But, if people always
say, Don't worry about whathappened to you. Worry about
what was the purpose. You know,why did it happen?
What are you supposed to learnfrom it? Focus inward, and then
you can grow. And then itdoesn't take as long, and
especially if you stay focused.
Shawn Pigg (10:24):
I'd be 100% right. And don't dwell on it. -Yes.
-You can't dwell
DeShawn Snow (10:27):
-I on don't
Skido Ortiz (10:28):
think dwell saying on it, you're
Shawn Pigg (10:29):
gonna be stuck right there. And you're just gonna
keep repeating the same cycleover and over again.
Skido Ortiz (10:32):
You can't. You gotta change. I don't care what
you do. You gotta change. Andthe thing is, pain can last
different times.
Pain will never go away. Grettawill never go away. But people
gotta know, don't let itovertake you. Just move forward
because it'll keep you locked ina dark place. And when you came
out of that dark place, wasgood.
And twenty five years is a longtime. You know, let's keep it
(10:54):
real. For people out here thatmatter, you think, Oh, I'm good.
This, this. Yeah.
When you're going through it, itbecomes vicious. You know what
I'm saying? You start to attackeach other because every both
sides are hurt. There's a lot ofthings going on. And it's going
on today.
That's why we right here, whenwe this platform, not just an
interview, we're trying tochange lives too. Me and
(11:15):
Deshaun, we wanna do that. Imean, you first, you gotta
change within yourselves beforeyou to have a platform. You know
what I'm saying? That's why wekeep it real with ourselves, to
be honest.
But on that note, man, sorryabout your divorce, but I'm
happy for your journey.
Shawn Pigg (11:28):
Thank you. Thank you.
Skido Ortiz (11:29):
Was hot. I like that one.
Just jumped out. That came out
Shawn Pigg (11:31):
no way. Gonna be copyrighted. That
Skido Ortiz (11:34):
was hard right there. Take that. Take that. But
on that note
Shawn Pigg (11:37):
Another one from Ski E.
Skido Ortiz (11:38):
You can have that.
You can have that, y'all.
But I like what you're doing now. It's amazing.
And I met your son, and you havea great how many kids do you
have?
Shawn Pigg (11:49):
I have two. Have an 18 year old and 25.
Skido Ortiz (11:52):
I didn't meet I met the youngest one. Yep. Matter of
fact, DeShaun, you met him tooat the concert. It was the only
white kid in the whole concert.
DeShawn Snow (11:58):
That was on stage.
Skido Ortiz (11:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keeping records.
So I do remember.
My mother, my mother, when he was up there, so
they were The only just whiteboy there. The only white boy
there, he was chilling. And Iwas like, I was like, damn, with
his, with his other whitegirlfriend. Then she's like
She's straight ahead. And he'slike, what's up?
And I was like, yo, go get him.Remember the song I said,
(12:21):
Security, grab him.
So everybody point, this guy's coming. And when they
come grab him and
pull him, he wasn't worried about He's not dead,
Bob.
The way he came, you could tell he looked at his
girl. He's like, Yeah, followsecurity. He
came to
the stage and he goes, Stand right here. You
good? He's like, Yeah. And helooked over his girl and said,
This is what I do. He had the watch. Did
(12:45):
the watch thing. I was like, Good. But that was the
kid at the conference.
DeShawn Snow (12:49):
-Okay, Swallow. -Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (12:50):
Yeah. Appreciate you inviting him and taking care of
my reserve.
Skido Ortiz (12:52):
-Thank -Man,
Yeah, man. When I say kids is something else, I
got you. I got you, man. Heenjoyed himself. You know, he's
a good kid.
Good young man. You. Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (13:01):
So you say leaders should lead from scars and not
trophies. But let's get real.How do you stay vulnerable when
everyone is expecting you tohave all the answers?
Shawn Pigg (13:10):
You know, so answers naturally come to me. It's, you
know, based on experiences I'vealready had in life. And so
typically, I'm a person thatconnects energetically with
people. And I can feel who youare, where you're going, where
you're stuck at, where you needto go. So I just had this
ability to do this.
(13:30):
You know, people are born withgifts. Everybody is born with a
gift. It's up to you to find it.It's up to you to really dig in
yourself and say, okay, this ismy gift. I know it now.
And then start working on thatgift. And the more you work on
it, you know, the brighter thelight shines.
DeShawn Snow (13:44):
Yes. Yes.
Shawn Pigg (13:45):
And the more people you help. So I'm all about
finding people that are goingthrough rough challenges and
really digging deep into them.It's something I could do, and I
can't explain how. I really Andthen watching their progress.
DeShawn Snow (14:04):
Yes.
Shawn Pigg (14:04):
That's I love so watching somebody, you know,
like myself go from homeless tomaking 6 figures a year because
of my teachings and educationsand what I'm providing them
with. That experience, you can'tpay for. So that is my trophy.
DeShawn Snow (14:18):
Okay. Awesome. Yeah.
Skido Ortiz (14:21):
That's good. This is motivating.
I love it. It's just saying that there's nothing
you can't do. Anything you putyour mind to, God first, I mean,
it's nothing you can't do. Don'tgive up on yourself. Stay Quit.
In these dark Shake that out foryou, man. Okay, you made
mistakes. Everybody makesmistakes. Everybody's
Absolutely. Be accountable.
(14:41):
You know, look at yourselfsometimes. Make yourself better,
and then it'll glow on you. Fixyourself. No everybody nobody's
perfect. But the thing is, whenyou're moving forward, you're
trying to do the right things,that that's like a light.
People they wanna be around It'ssomething about you that's
different than the next. Youunderstand? Circle yourself
around light instead of dark.You know what I'm saying? Just
(15:02):
it's just people don'tunderstand these things.
And that's why he's a light,even though I'm rough. I know
I've been in so much dark. Ilove light. That's why I wear
white all the time. And today isa different shirt.
Yeah. But but but they be like,Ski, when you it's not because
it's hot because I just likeeverything white. You know what
I'm saying? Light. Just lightcolors.
I don't wanna be dark places
no more.
You know what I'm saying? And I like the fact that
(15:24):
we have our talks and, you know,you share your dark places and
then you share the light a lot,man. I love it about you, Sean.
Shawn Pigg (15:30):
Thank you.
Skido Ortiz (15:33):
I just don't because we talk.
DeShawn Snow (15:34):
That's awesome. -Yeah. No, it's always about,
you know, I'm all about nomatter what it looks like, just
don't give up. -Yeah. -Becauseyou can't You never know where
you can get if you give up.
You know what I'm saying? Yourbreakthrough is probably right
on the other side of it. So I'mall about, keep pushing forward.
But, you talk a lot aboutreframing failure, which is
important. Give us a time when asetback felt like the end, but
(15:56):
it became a pivotal point inyour life.
Shawn Pigg (15:59):
Oh, I have a lot of those. I would say some of the
most important ones. When I was16 years old, I reunited a car
and a seven year old girl died,and she was my next door
neighbor. Most devastatingmoment of my life. At that
point, I became lost andconfused.
I basically, you know, I startedbeating up anybody who looked at
(16:20):
me. I didn't was mean. I wasmad. I was angry. I was upset
with God.
Why did I do that? Because Ilove children. Why was I put in
that position? And it took me somany years to overcome that
trauma. You know?
And I always I walk through lifewith that fear that something's
gonna happen to my kids becauseI took a child's life. So I
(16:42):
walked through that life everyday with this fear. Like,
where's my kids? Where's mykids? Where's my kids?
Where's my wife? Where's mykids? Then until I got ahold of
her mom and we became friends.And now I'm like her son. And I
helped her heal.
She helped me heal. So when thatmoment happened in my life, I
understood that God did that fora reason. God put me in that
(17:02):
position because they're notonly from the accident, but from
the experience, the journey ofwhat you know, after that, how I
went homeless, how I pickedmyself up, dusted myself off
with no support, done it on myown, and got back out there and
and became a successful businessowner. Yes. That's probably one
of the biggest moments.
There's you know, I've been ahomeless part. I've been a
(17:24):
divorce really the divorcereally woke me up. Yeah. As you
can imagine, you said you've I'mI'm sorry. Congratulations and
sorry.
I don't know which Well,
DeShawn Snow (17:33):
you know, that is what God needs to do to get my
attention. That's how I
Shawn Pigg (17:35):
look at it. A 100%. And and it works, don't it?
Skido Ortiz (17:38):
Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (17:38):
It works. And I look where you're
DeShawn Snow (17:40):
at now.
Shawn Pigg (17:40):
You're now you're you're your own new journey, and
which is incredible.Congratulations.
DeShawn Snow (17:45):
Thank you.
Shawn Pigg (17:46):
And that's what has brought me moving from I've been
a CEO of my company for overtwenty years. And now, the
divorce, I connected, was told,okay, no more of this. I still
own them all, but now it's timeto go this direction.
DeShawn Snow (17:59):
Okay. So that's Your priorities change.
Shawn Pigg (18:02):
A 100%. Yep. And you don't have that chaos. You turn
chaos into clarity. You'reyou're now becoming you're not
confused anymore.
Yeah. Know, now you
Skido Ortiz (18:10):
need And
DeShawn Snow (18:10):
God is not the author of confusion.
Shawn Pigg (18:11):
Correct. Because purpose doesn't need permission.
DeShawn Snow (18:13):
Exactly. I like that. Are dumb.
Skido Ortiz (18:17):
Dropping mics today, boy. Take that. Take
that. Saying?
DeShawn Snow (18:21):
I'll take that. I'll take that.
Skido Ortiz (18:23):
I'm giving y'all that. Take it in your spirit.
DeShawn Snow (18:25):
No, this is good.
Skido Ortiz (18:26):
So you own all these companies and everything
like that. And you so cool. Youchill, laid back. Today, we got
our little jeans and shirt.People don't understand wealth
don't show off.
And people that wear money don'tshow off. See, a lot of y'all be
with cars and chains, y'all lookalike. Y'all do the same thing.
Invest. Understand what businessis.
(18:46):
Understand how to link yourselfwith powerful people. Y'all
looking for Y'all all looking atthat's not it. You understand? I
always could see the person inthe corner that a certain
person, an athlete orentertainer that's very
powerful, it'd be the mostcoolest person in the room.
Don't look like nobody in theroom.
And that's the person they trustthe most. And I always had an
(19:09):
eye for that to go, Yo, who'sthat? Oh, no. Who's that with
the suit and the tie and thejewelry? Man, that's not it.
It's that dude. You know whatI'm saying? The one that doesn't
care It looked like he doesn'tcare about none of this. You
know what I'm saying? But it'ssomething light about him that
whatever he is, he's humbleabout it.
He knows who he is as a person.You know what I'm saying? And he
has a different light about it.He got a glow. What we could say
(19:30):
is you could tell he likesseeing people win.
You know what I'm saying? Onlypeople that's like that could
see that.
DeShawn Snow (19:35):
-Absolutely. -Mike or Trike?
Skido Ortiz (19:38):
So, you know, and that's something else.
Shawn Pigg (19:41):
I mean, I'm not as sure by any means, but I could
tell you, mean, my home's boughtand paid for. My vehicles are
bought and paid for. I read itback.
Skido Ortiz (19:47):
Yeah, you'd be swagged out.
Sometimes it depends on my
Shawn Pigg (19:50):
No, son dresses
Skido Ortiz (19:51):
yeah, yeah. Sometimes the one time you had
on some outfit for some and VA was with me. He
said, Man, that man's decked outfrom head
to toe. He said, Man, that I
was like, Yo, that's fly, man. I was like But
it wasn't about You know, wejoke and laugh
about that, but seriously, it was
Shawn Pigg (20:07):
I went through that divorce. My son said, Shawn Or
he said, Dad. He said, Let mestart buying your clothes for
you.
Skido Ortiz (20:11):
Oh, that's for sure.
Shawn Pigg (20:12):
That's what happens. So next thing I know, he comes
home with, like, you know, LouisVuitton Louis Vuitton D'Or, you
know, Amiri, and
Skido Ortiz (20:20):
then Yeah. Oh, that's what you're And,
Shawn Pigg (20:21):
yeah, he's had me all dressed up. I'm like, Okay.
What'd do? He goes, Now you look19.
Skido Ortiz (20:25):
I'm like, Is that what your son do, D? No. And
Sean, like, when you
told him to make it lighter I mean, you know how to
dress already, but what did yourkid do to make it lighter? Mean,
because they always tried to
DeShawn Snow (20:37):
make lighter. So it was just the one that was
there because the other two werewith their dad. But you I was
such a hot mess, so he didn't
Skido Ortiz (20:44):
know what to do. Yeah,
DeShawn Snow (20:45):
yeah, no. Yeah. Okay.
Skido Ortiz (20:46):
I'm very
Shawn Pigg (20:46):
I understand.
DeShawn Snow (20:47):
Yeah. But what I wanted to do to For me, what
worked for me is simplicity, youknow, instead of I had all this
stuff, but once you are okaywith not having that, I'd rather
have peace than to have all thisstuff or try to keep keep it and
try to maintain it and try toeven just maintenance on things.
So simplicity also helped tokeep things to help me move
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forward because you you can'tthrive in chaos.
Shawn Pigg (21:11):
Absolutely. Right. 100%.
Skido Ortiz (21:15):
Kids are special. You know, when my mom's died, my
daughter was young, and shedidn't leave my sight. That was
the dark one of the dark. I hada lot of but that was like, oh,
forget about it. When you lose amother, that's the worst
connection.
But she just seemed like, youknow, what Kepestu, she just
never left my sight. You knowwhat I'm saying? And until this
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day, she's 21. She, you know,she made me this shirt. Always
looking out.
Kids, dark places, somebody, thepeople you love the most, try to
attach yourself to somebody.Don't care if it's one person,
but that one person can saveyour life. I don't care if it's
a family member or a friend thatadores you and loves you and
wants the best for you. Youdon't need a group. You can
connect, go to that one person.
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Sometimes that one thing canshake the darkness out of you. I
mean, that's happened for me. Imean, sometimes people will
attach ourselves to people thatain't that can't pull us out of
things, but you just go to theone that you know no matter what
got your back. You know what I'msaying?
Shawn Pigg (22:10):
Absolutely. And then along that journey, you know,
people will come there for areason and for a season.
Skido Ortiz (22:14):
Know what
I mean? Yes.
Shawn Pigg (22:14):
They're here to, like, hit that one little spot
in you, and then all of asudden, they're gone. Yeah. As
your frequency rises, peoplejust disappear, new people come
in.
Skido Ortiz (22:22):
Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (22:22):
And you'd be And I've learned through life to
just let it be, be fine with it,not try to figure out and break
it down why it happened as thatnow. People go, just let them
go. Because really, it's notpart of your plan.
Shawn Pigg (22:35):
And they can't Not everybody is meant to go with
you.
DeShawn Snow (22:37):
Right.
Shawn Pigg (22:37):
A 100%.
Skido Ortiz (22:38):
Say that again?
Shawn Pigg (22:39):
Not everybody is meant to go with you.
Skido Ortiz (22:40):
That means cut cut it loose. Okay. I'm a break that
down. In my world, y'allreceive. Y'all agree with me.
When when I feel, you know,since God wants ready to take me
to the next level, sometimeshe'll hold up the blessing
because he's trying to tell youto release that person.
DeShawn Snow (22:55):
Yeah. Because you're nervous.
Skido Ortiz (22:56):
But you're trying to think he'd been with me ten,
twenty years. In ten, twentyyears, what have he brought to
the table? What what has he donein your life? Besides, a friend
is is cool, but you gotta feedpeople. There's things you gotta
do.
So I understand that y'all gottalet go and trust to let go
because everybody around youain't good for you. You
understand what I'm saying? Andwhen you're going to the next
level, there's gonna be roomsthey're not ready for, and
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actually will mess your businessup if you bring them in the
rooms. You know what I'm talkingabout?
Shawn Pigg (23:22):
One of the hardest things to overcome is
attachment.
Skido Ortiz (23:24):
It is.
Shawn Pigg (23:25):
One of the hardest things, because people, us, as
humans, are attached to things.Persons, places, things, people,
and learning how to havedeattachment is where you're
gonna start seeing your growthwhen you're not being attached.
And also learning how to controlyou know, it helps you control
your emotions and feelings.
Skido Ortiz (23:41):
Yes. Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (23:42):
And being detached from the outcome.
Skido Ortiz (23:44):
Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (23:44):
That stick for me. You know, you can't just detach
yourself from the outcome. Don'tworry about do what you're gonna
do. Don't worry about theoutcome.
Shawn Pigg (23:50):
Yeah. Just do it. Make it happen. Mhmm. You know?
And and absolutely and that wasone very hard part as I started
getting into motivationalspeaking. Look at the outcome.
Yes. Okay. What what's happeninghere?
Okay. How how why am I notgetting likes? Why am not
getting views? Why am
Skido Ortiz (24:03):
I and whatever. And now
Shawn Pigg (24:04):
I don't even care anymore. Yeah. That's the good
part.
Skido Ortiz (24:06):
Don't care.
Shawn Pigg (24:07):
Distrust. Those that are meant to be there and find a
message will find And a ifpeople, you know, as your
frequency increases, you'regonna run into new people. Yes.
You know? I mean, I met Ski, Imean, was know, that was during
the
Skido Ortiz (24:20):
time came to my restaurant.
DeShawn Snow (24:22):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Skido Ortiz (24:22):
Oh, no, no. Let me tell you the story. So this is
that this is
just how God be working. He came, and whoever
was cooking back there messed upthe whole whatever it was, they
wasn't happy. And I was and Iwas sitting at the bar just
chilling because I, you know, Istill don't wanna be there. I
don't know why I'm there.
Shawn Pigg (24:39):
We had about fifteen, twenty people there.
Skido Ortiz (24:41):
Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. And And
he could tell you the story from there. I don't
know about what happened. Wewent He came to me. What
happened? So, yeah, walked over.
Shawn Pigg (24:49):
We're sitting at the dinner table, and, you know, the
food was late, and then it cameout cold and this kind of stuff.
And my family, you know, they'reall complaining. Well, I'm not
saying anything. I'm lookingaround the restaurant. I'm like,
I see some guy over herewatching basketball, just
sitting back like this, watchingbasketball by himself.
And I said, That's the owner. Isaid, I'll be back. And they're
like, No, don't. Don't. Sean,don't.
Let's just leave. Let's just payhis bill. I said, Well, we're
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going to pay the bill, but I'mgonna go have a talk with him.
Because I knew, as a businessowner, he has the right to
understand what is going on withthis That's right. I didn't make
him aware, he doesn't know howto fix it.
So I walked over there. I waslike, Hey, you own this place?
He goes, What seems to be theproblem? And then we started
talking and
Skido Ortiz (25:27):
I ain't seen the
fucking up. He didn't. Because I'm trying to
hide, but horses recognizebosses. I'm trying to chill.
What is it?
What's going on with you?
Shawn Pigg (25:41):
He did not want to talk to me.
Skido Ortiz (25:43):
He's like, man, I'm in
Shawn Pigg (25:44):
the middle of a game here. And he goes, actually,
it's No, it's my partner'srestaurant. But we started
talking, and I explained thesituation to him. And, you know,
he's offered me a discount. I'mlike, I'm not worried about
that.
I wanna pay the bill. I'm notworried about it. And ever since
then, it's just our energyconnected instantly.
Skido Ortiz (26:03):
I told him, Come back. I handled it like you're
supposed to handle it. Iaddressed it. It was soft, and
we and I said, what can I do tomake it better? You understand?
At the end of the day. And Icome back. I'll make because I
knew who was back there messingup anyway. He was he was going
through some cooks. But I saidand then from there, we just
it's just we start talking, Justtalking as genuine people, just
talking about life andeverything, and that was it.
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God has set you up. I've You'vedone this
this all my my
Shawn Pigg (26:28):
100. On your past. Ever and and it's amazing that
ever since my divorce, everybodyI knew in that past life is no
longer part of this life.There's nobody nobody I talk to.
They're all everybody is new.
Wow. So that's as your energyand frequency increases and you
find your true self, you knowwho to associate with, who to be
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around, and who's gonna inspireyou on your journey.
DeShawn Snow (26:51):
Yeah. And you have to be grounded in who you are
and you have to because I findbecause I am a totally different
person than who I was before.Life has humbled me, but and
I've grown in so many ways. Andso when you have people from
from before, then they alwayswanna put you in that box. But
then you're, like, second like,wait a minute.
What? Like, because I know myintentions, and I know I'm I'm
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not that same person. Butsometimes, you know, I'm like,
God, you know, I don't get thisbecause help me see what I'm
missing. And then he's like, no,you're not doing anything. They
just they can't see you no otherway.
Shawn Pigg (27:23):
Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (27:24):
And they're not always good for you.
Skido Ortiz (27:25):
That's why it's good for change. Y'all be scared
to be man, I
don't I care
Shawn Pigg (27:29):
love change.
Skido Ortiz (27:30):
I love man, I don't care of you. I mean,
change is beautiful because somebody's bringing
something new in your life. Youcan't stay with the old all the
time. Could keep your friendFamily's never going nowhere.
But friends it's always and theyshould be happy. They should be
happy that you're growing.
I mean, it doesn't matter whatcolor you are, how much But
money you got, all of there'ssomebody in there that's trying
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to keep you in the box, yougotta cut that.
Okay.
Because they're not growing. They don't
wanna grow. They're not meant to go with you.
You know, when when y'all went through your darkest
times, a lot of them came to seehow buried you are. They didn't
come to bring you out of it. Youfeel what I'm saying? They
looked to come, and you seethem, they're not around. They
was around for the show and thelight and all the glam, but they
was just checking to make sure,because there's people that's
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just miserable.
They wanna see people down. Youknow what I'm saying?
DeShawn Snow (28:16):
I have a few people that are still there who
help pull me out. And they, youknow, and they because they know
how hard I was. You know, Idon't know if you went through a
period of, like, shame and guiltand all of this other stuff and
just, you know, all thisnonsense. But they
Shawn Pigg (28:32):
Blaming yourself.
DeShawn Snow (28:33):
Mhmm. Speak life into you. Another thing I wanted
to ask you about is, like,pivoting a lesson that you had
to unlearn. Like, for me, when II was I had all this stuff, a
company, a foundation and allthis stuff, and then But I was
also married. But then once Iwasn't married, once I didn't
have those titles, life washarder for me.
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Like, things weren't coming tome as easy. And then But it took
me forever, but I had to finallyrealize that, you know, God had
a plan for me before I was evenformed in my mother's womb. -So
-Gather before my I met my exand before I got divorced. So my
plan His plan for me did notchange. And I thought, you know,
everything was gonna change, butit did not.
But that was, like, a bigmoment, and it gave me
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permission to, like, go afterthings. But did you have to
unlearn anything in yourjourney, whether it be from your
divorce or any of your other,like, business failures or
anything?
Shawn Pigg (29:25):
I've had to unlearn a lot. Everything society taught
me. Yeah. Yeah. Everything theschool systems teach you,
everything, you know, yourparents taught you because the
way they were raised and the waythey grew up.
And because naturally, what youlearn growing up is what you're
gonna become typically. And mostpeople will stay that direction
the rest of their lives. Butwhat I really had to unlearn is
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how to love myself beforeProperly. Yeah. 100%.
Yep. I really had to love myselfbefore I can even love somebody
else. Yes. You know, regardlessif I was getting married twenty
five years or not, once Idiscovered how to learn to love
myself, a whole new worldopened.
DeShawn Snow (30:05):
Yeah. Because you see yourself as worthy. You see
yourself as valuable.
Shawn Pigg (30:09):
Yeah. Because when you're in a relationship,
especially at the end of it,know, things can get ugly. You
know, words could be thrownaround and then it can mess up
your, you know, your focus. Itcan mess up your your
confidence. It can mess up a lotof things about you.
And that's what you have tounlearn. Like, biggest thing I
learned, I don't care whatanybody says about me. Amen.
That's Nothing. So I don't care.
You can say whatever you wantabout me because it doesn't
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bother me. That's it. I'm gonnastay focused. I'm gonna keep
going, and I'm gonna keepdriving. That's what I'm gonna
do.
DeShawn Snow (30:35):
Yeah. Yes. And was that did you get to that point
or you always felt that way?
Shawn Pigg (30:41):
What do about that? It took the it had to go through
the healing process. Yep. Had togo through the dark side to see
the light side. Had to fightyour dark shadows that that that
you've been holding on even as achild.
And then through, you know, youryeah. How long were you married?
DeShawn Snow (30:54):
We were married twelve and a half years, but we
were together for, like, twentybecause we were freshmen.
Shawn Pigg (30:57):
So you know that feeling? Yeah. You had to
unlearn all that. Everythingthat you thought that you did
know is not what you need toknow going forward.
DeShawn Snow (31:06):
Right.
Shawn Pigg (31:06):
Yeah. Because you're right. You knew your purpose
before you're even born. Andeverything that's thrown at you
in life is for you to learn fromthat lesson. And if you really
truly watch and pay attention tothose challenges, the lesson is
very clear.
DeShawn Snow (31:24):
And there's patterns too, really.
Shawn Pigg (31:26):
Absolutely. And and and we have to break that
pattern.
DeShawn Snow (31:28):
Yes.
Shawn Pigg (31:29):
Yep. You have to break it down.
DeShawn Snow (31:29):
But you have to identify it.
Shawn Pigg (31:31):
Correct.
DeShawn Snow (31:32):
So I always tell people the journal, like, how do
because if if you're notcognizant of it, conscious of
it, you know, you won't identifyit. But it can be clear as day.
Shawn Pigg (31:40):
Yep. Right there in front of you. Yeah. I mean, the
synchronicity, the signs,everything, right there in front
of you. So when I went through adivorce, you know, I've had many
people saying, Sean, why are youwhy are you so married to your
why are you so married?
Why are you still married? Andit took one man to come up and
say the same exact words I'veheard a 100 times before and it
before it hit me. So we can alldeliver the same message. It
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just depends on, you know, who'slistening and who's delivering
if it connects.
DeShawn Snow (32:05):
And if you're ready to receive it.
Shawn Pigg (32:07):
Correct. You have to be ready to receive it. A 100%.
Yeah. So that's something I hadto unlearn.
Yeah. Be open to receiving. Yes.In which I there was you know,
going through my life, I wasonly focused on business,
raising the children, and beingthere, you know, for my ex and
not
DeShawn Snow (32:23):
me. Yes.
Skido Ortiz (32:25):
So loving yourself, getting yourself back together.
So the part I like what you'resaying is I don't care anymore
what people say.
But see, people are
caught up in how what people think and what they
feel. And that's what putspeople in a bad situation. To
me, that's the number one to me,if the enemy was sending out
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something to destroy people,that's number one, caring about
what people feel and think aboutyou, instead of you loving and
caring about what you feel aboutyourself.
DeShawn Snow (32:56):
And being sure about
Skido Ortiz (32:57):
what you And being confident. But at the end of the
day, it's not worrying aboutthey're not putting food on your
table. They're not here takingcare of you. You understand what
I'm saying? Absolutely.
You can't stop people from beingnegative like you. If they don't
like you, they don't like you.You can't make people like you.
You understand? You gotta be whoyou are and love yourself and be
open to stuff.
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You know what I'm saying? Andthat's what I like. I like that
this whole journey for me hasbeen being vulnerable. You know
what I'm saying? And I'mlearning that.
You know what I'm saying? Justhaving to just opening up myself
to, you know, to a lot ofthings. The war is over for me.
That's how I feel. Youunderstand?
And everybody has a dark plot.That's war. So if you go to war
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and you make it out of it, nowwhat? The war is over. Now what?
You can't be the same personthat you was battling.
DeShawn Snow (33:45):
Lying has to change.
Skido Ortiz (33:46):
-Something in you made you stronger. Something in
it said, You know what? What Iused to care, I don't care. And
that's the part where we atright now, and that's motivating
to me and us in all our darkplaces.
DeShawn Snow (33:56):
For sure. Confidence Like and I'm and it
was different levels where Icared what people thought. And
then, like, more recently, itwasn't so much because I was I
guess it still was a matter ofinsecurity, but it was more so
because, like I said, I know I'mdifferent, and I don't want them
to think I'm in it that, youknow, this and that and the
other, but then after a while,they don't think what they're
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wanting
Shawn Pigg (34:16):
to Absolutely. You can't control that thought.
DeShawn Snow (34:18):
You have to just go through life, you have to
just keep So with me, I'm, like,staying in my lane, I'm keeping
my head down, going forward witheverything that I had planned,
people are falling off. And it'sheartbreaking, but I can't keep
second guessing myself. I haveto be sure in who I am. And I go
to God all the time, you know,cleanse my heart, you know,
reveal anything in me that's notof you, but it's all about
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having that confidence and notcaring. And not in a rude,
arrogant way, but just as amatter of fact, like, this is
not paying my bills, so let mejust And you're not helping my
purpose.
That's a better way of
Skido Ortiz (34:56):
saying it.
Shawn Pigg (34:56):
You're 100% right. You're not paying my bills,
you're not helping my purpose,and you're absolutely not in
alignment with me. So whateveryou have to say doesn't matter
to me.
Skido Ortiz (35:04):
Unless you're already where I want to go,
Shawn Pigg (35:07):
I mean, know, I mean, look at what you guys are
doing right now. You know,you're inspiring the world.
You're helping. You're By doingthese interviews, there's going
to be messages that aredelivered that's going to help
somebody out. So what you'redoing now is in alignment of,
you know, the higher good,what's happening right now.
I mean, right now, if youRegardless of which way you look
at it, there's timeline shifts.There's spiritual warfare that's
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going on right now. We all knowit. I mean, if you don't know
it, you're still asleep. Wakeup.
So the biggest thing is facingthose challenges as you're going
through this spiritual warfarethat's happening right now.
Skido Ortiz (35:42):
I'm gonna ask you something, just to change the
subject
It's a little getting a little deep here,
emotional. Gotta come shift off.So we took a visit out to your
house out there in themountains. And then I pull up,
and I'm a Black man. I'm therewith my cameraman.
He's a Black man. And we pullup, and this dog comes in front
of the freaking car, he doesn'tmove. He's staring at us. And he
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don't move. And I'm like, Yo,should I run him over?
And he's daring me, and I'mtalking to the dog. You can ask
my And we're looking at eachother. It sound like a movie.
But now I'm thinking, Should Ieven go deeper in the woods?
Because this ain't working out.
Now we lost all signals to ourphones.
So I said, I'm going to this man, where is Sean
taking?
Shawn Pigg (36:21):
I've seen this in the movies before.
Skido Ortiz (36:22):
I've seen this before, man. I said, this is
we're not gonna go up there withall these white people getting
stuck up there. And it's a pear.He has this And dogs are just
staring at us around the trucks.I'm like, Yo,
I don't know. What you think, Dre?
He's like, I don't know. I'm like, Yo, I can run
them on and turn around. It tookus about two minutes
to go up that path. And we went up there and all of
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sudden, this big, nice,beautiful wood cabin thing. And,
you know, you got the dogs andyou're calling the dogs. And I
was like, Wow, he really was outhere. So all this time, I wanna
apologize for something.
When I used to call, I used togo, You know when you call
somebody, Yeah, yeah, I got abad signal. I got a
bad signal. I said, This man is full of shit. He's
full of shit.
He's fucking bullshit. I said, Yo, man, who
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you think I like? He keepsalways with this signal thing,
man.
I'm just keeping it real with you.
You here. So finally, I got
out there, lost all signal. And I just wanted to
apologize thinking was all thisdriving
Shawn Pigg (37:15):
I got signal.
Skido Ortiz (37:15):
And then,
I gotta wait till
I go to it. He kept saying, Can I call you back?
Because I gotta get anothersignal.
Now, those little towers you got around your
property, can you explain thatand that business? Because we
got a discount. We use your cardand your new business that
you're
Shawn Pigg (37:30):
Absolutely. So when I moved from the city out to the
country, there's no internet. Sowe had to build towers. We built
a 180 foot tower. And I waslike, Okay, well, why don't we
get smart in supplying internetto other people out here that
don't have internet?
So that's what the big tower is.And that's why we have a phone
signal. That's why we haveinternet. Wow. Because of the
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towers.
DeShawn Snow (37:52):
Wow.
Shawn Pigg (37:52):
Yep. And it and it helps all the other people
around there as well.
Skido Ortiz (37:55):
You built that for that and all that.
DeShawn Snow (37:56):
But was that is that your expertise or you just
knew you
Skido Ortiz (37:59):
had a need
DeShawn Snow (37:59):
for it and you'd own?
Shawn Pigg (38:00):
Well, I I ran into a guy who owns an Internet
business, and he became one ofmy best friends. He's actually
actually the one that is theperson that I heard is what made
me leave my ex wife. That's Yep.So he was the very first person
I met when I moved out there.And we went out to dinner.
And he goes and he said, comehere. He goes, let me talk to
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you. He goes, I hate to saythis. This may ruin our
friendship, but I don't care.But what are you doing?
And it woke me up. And I andthen ever since then, we became
best friends. I was supposed tobe in Greece with them right
now.
DeShawn Snow (38:33):
Greece?
Skido Ortiz (38:33):
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. New friends.
Greece.
All of this, I
DeShawn Snow (38:36):
want some friends to go
Skido Ortiz (38:37):
to Greece. I went back to
I'm back in Orlando now. Not to put it. We got the
new you the you were about tocome to the store, the new
sneaker store, play for Hackssneakers. Gotta promote that.
You know, sorry, gotta promote that.
Plug, absolutely. He was about to come.
Everybody's showing up. But whenI went back, my friend Mark
Zipper, he's gonna he watchesit. He's my Jewish friend.
He they're at the yacht clubs. Ihang out at the yacht club. So I
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you know, Mia's down there forthe first time. She's like,
Where are you? I said, I'm atthe yacht club.
This is how I move. I said, Letme FaceTime her because she
probably put that look on. And Ilooked around the golf and all
the yacht people,
and he's like, You really at the yacht club.
It's called Different Friends, Different
Move, and I Scared to Open Up.And that's what you do when God
got so much for y'all to do.Share it. Open up to new friends
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and new doors. It's okay totrust that.
Shawn Pigg (39:24):
Keep your mind open.
Skido Ortiz (39:25):
Keep your mind Always keep
Shawn Pigg (39:26):
your mind open. And and your heart. And your heart
because it has to work hand inhand with each other. You know,
your mind, your heart and yoursoul, your spirit, everything
has to work.
Skido Ortiz (39:33):
And that travel business, talk about that with
the card you gave me.
Shawn Pigg (39:36):
So Hotels Etcetera, we are the oldest and largest
CEG program on the Internet,closed user group. We've been in
business thirty years. I've beena CEO for twenty years. That's
when I walked away from mycorporate world and said, okay,
I'm gonna start my own businessbecause my ex was pregnant with
my second child. And I didn'tsee my first child because I was
on the road all the time.
(39:57):
And I'm like, I'm not going dothis for the second child. So I
was sitting at home one day andI was watching an infomercial
and a company came on in,infomercial. And I probably
spent every penny I had in myname, over $100, buying into
this company, buying exclusivesfor this territory and this
territory and this territory. Ishowed up at home one day, all
the product was in my driveway.I'm talking about hundreds and
(40:18):
hundreds of boxes of product.
Immediately went out and startedhiring people to sell the
product, the program toeverybody. First month, I think
I did 100,000 in sales. So waspretty excited. Plus I gave 50%
commission. So I brought in100,000, paid out 50,000.
Well, second month, had 100,000in chargebacks. The company
didn't work. So not only did Ilose $100,000 but I lost the
(40:38):
$50,000 commissions I paid. Iwasn't from this industry. So I
instantly shut it down and said,Okay, noodles and noodles time.
That's what we're getting readyto do. And I just grinded it and
grinded it. And I, you know, meteverybody in the industry, know
pretty much every CEO of everysingle company out there in in
my industry and have personallynegotiated over 3,000,000
(41:00):
discounts in a 141 countries.
DeShawn Snow (41:03):
Oh, hotels.
Shawn Pigg (41:03):
The hotels, cruises, cardinals, restaurants, golf,
theme parks, So when I was inFlorida, went and got the
dehydration, the IV hydrationwith And now his company just
signed up for it. So he's like,I've never gave a discount.
Said, You are now. So what I dois I give businesses an
opportunity to get exposure,mass exposure to millions and
(41:26):
millions and millions of peopleas long as they give us a
discount that's not available tothe public. If they do that,
we'll bring you into thecompany.
So not only are we helpingcompanies, but we're helping
consumers save money. And then Ihave tens of thousands of
distributors out there thatdistribute. So I also help
entrepreneurs. So I'm helpingall three faucets of the
industry.
Skido Ortiz (41:45):
How many members you got
Shawn Pigg (41:47):
on here? I manage right now. I got four
Skido Ortiz (41:49):
mil a little over 4,000,000
Shawn Pigg (41:50):
in hotels, etcetera. I manage between all the white
labels and etcetera, about15,000,000 total. -Yeah,
Skido Ortiz (41:57):
it's -My man. Different stuff
out here, y'all. Connect to different things.
People making a lot of moneydoing big things out here.
Shawn Pigg (42:05):
And you got to think, during this time period
of running the company in02/2008, we had the financial
crisis, you know, that reallyaffected the company. However,
when the economy got bad, weboosted. And then obviously
COVID, boom, we really gotknocked down by COVID. So during
that time, I startedtransitioning to AI, artificial
intelligence. And those that arenot, you know, in tune with
(42:26):
what's going on right now inthis world, AI, you need to
learn it.
You need to learn it or it'sgonna be you're gonna be left
behind. Absolutely. That's likewhen I back in the 1990s, I was
the first person to own domainnames. I owned all of them and
sold them until I got sued byNickelodeon. Wow.
Yeah. Because and that wasbefore iCan came out, cyber
squatting and everything. Andthen I created a very first
electric ebook for Amazon. Andhe they stole it from me. Yep.
Skido Ortiz (42:50):
I heard that.
Shawn Pigg (42:51):
Say that.
Skido Ortiz (42:51):
Wow. And
Shawn Pigg (42:54):
then, know, I just so I kept moving. Like I said,
I've made so many other peoplerich.
Skido Ortiz (42:58):
Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (42:58):
And I was tired of doing that. But, yeah, Hotels
Etcetera is a great company, andit saves people a lot of money,
quite a bit of money.
DeShawn Snow (43:05):
That's awesome. One last thing I wanna ask, what
do you what advice would yougive people because, you know,
you are on your path, you'retrying, but, you know, you take
two steps forward and then youget knocked back 10 steps, you
know, and you're just like, ugh,I just can't win for losing. I
mean, obviously, you know you'resupposed to keep going, and
you're not supposed to give up.But what piece of encouragement
(43:26):
or advice would you give peoplelike
Shawn Pigg (43:27):
It's gonna happen. Still happens today. And and the
most important thing is becausethere's a lesson you didn't
learn. That's the most importantthing. So when you go two steps
forward and you're going fivesteps back because the third
step, you didn't understand whathappened.
And if you don't fix that, it'sgonna happen again and again and
again and again. And it's justgonna keep knocking back,
knocking back, knocking back.And the most important thing is,
you already mentioned it, don'tfocus on the outcome. Like what
(43:51):
I'm doing right now from amotivation, I don't care if I'm
making $1 I'm doing it becauseit's my heart. It's my purpose.
So I'm not focused on outcome.Just like the company now, I'm
not even focused on the outcome.I've already built one of I
basically have Airbnb, Uber,Lyft and everybody else on
steroids. You know, that's whatI am. And I didn't realize that
didn't hit me yesterday until Iwas walking.
(44:12):
I was like, what did I build? Ididn't even realize what I
built. So even being a CEO forover twenty years, I still just
now realize what I built. Sogoing through these challenges
and journeys as you're buildinga company, you get knocked down
and you go back, you know, sitdown and figure out what knocked
(44:32):
you down.
DeShawn Snow (44:33):
Okay.
Shawn Pigg (44:33):
What do I have to overcome and go around, know, in
order not to make that happenagain. And but it still happens.
DeShawn Snow (44:42):
And don't get discouraged by it.
Shawn Pigg (44:44):
Right? Never get discouraged. No. Because you
know what's gonna happen.
DeShawn Snow (44:46):
It's inevitable. You plan on failing. All then
succeed is just failing for it.
Shawn Pigg (44:50):
A 100%. Yes. Absolutely. And the more times
you fail, you know, the lesstimes you're going fail as you
move forward. So for example,the first ten years of the
company, I failed over and overand over and over again.
Am I still failing now? Yes, buta bigger level. You know,
because those smaller steppingstones help me fail at the
bigger steps, you know, thebigger levels. And to overcome
(45:12):
it is so much easier now.
DeShawn Snow (45:14):
Yeah. You overcome it quicker. It's like a quicker
turnaround, quicker. You're notset back and all in the bed and
depressed
Skido Ortiz (45:21):
about I like the way you said, yeah, from a
smaller scale, now you're on abigger scale doing but you kept
moving forward. You understandwhat saying? You just don't give
up. Just trust yourself. Youknow?
Just like you said, learn fromyour mistakes. Every I feel like
this. If you don't pass yourtest, it's gonna keep coming
over and over. I'm saying that Idon't care who you what you
think you are. If you don'tpass, God keeps He gonna bring
(45:42):
you right back.
He said, until you pass this,humble yourself or look at
yourself and all of that. Andthen when it doesn't bother you
anymore, you're gonna
Shawn Pigg (45:50):
move on to the next. -That's when you're test
Skido Ortiz (45:52):
-That's -Because you're testimonial. -A 100%
correct. Absolutely. And that'sAnd until then, you're gonna
keep going through all that.You're gonna say, Nope.
He's gonna bring you right back.And that's And that's when it
That's the testimony. When youdeliver, you overcome these
things. And then you share it sosomebody else could grow. That's
it.
And that's what it's about,passing it down.
DeShawn Snow (46:12):
Being transparent and not worrying about what it
looks like.
Shawn Pigg (46:15):
Absolutely. And you know your purpose. I mean, you
know, like, you know, thesituation you went through and
where you're at now, you knowyour purpose. You know where
you're going, and your mind isfocused. And you're gonna do
very well at it.
You're gonna do great. You'regonna
Skido Ortiz (46:27):
do awesome. Both of you are.
I appreciate it.
Shawn Pigg (46:29):
And I I'm excited to watch your growth. It's gonna
it's and and share it as well.But now that you know your
purpose, nothing else matters.There's not nothing that no
matter what anybody says, nomatter how many times I trip and
fall, no matter nothing. Itdoesn't matter.
DeShawn Snow (46:42):
It's like you have to have blinders on. Right?
Skido Ortiz (46:44):
Well, don't wanna put blinders on.
DeShawn Snow (46:46):
Well, can look to the left or right for
Skido Ortiz (46:48):
You don't wanna have
DeShawn Snow (46:49):
for to be motivated, but not if it's gonna
distract you.
Skido Ortiz (46:52):
I mean, you don't Blinders could be dangerous,
though, because you wanna beopen. You wanna see everything.
That's the point. You putblinders on, you'll miss things.
You don't That's I don't believein that.
DeShawn Snow (47:01):
Think Or laser focused.
Skido Ortiz (47:02):
Yeah, laser focused is just that blinders are blind.
Know, you God's saying, Seeeverything. Because every You
gotta see all sides, becausethen you can grow from that. But
blind as you miss things, youknow? That's just
DeShawn Snow (47:13):
But if you're getting caught up, though, on
the things that you're seeing
Skido Ortiz (47:17):
I mean, you can't get caught You seeing it not to
get caught up. That's the point.You know what saying? If I don't
see it, I won't know what to door how to react. I'll need to
see everything.
DeShawn Snow (47:27):
But you at your heal space, you at your space
can see it and not get caught upon it. But somebody in the
beginning can see it and getcaught up on it. For people that
know, people that I tell them isthat your brain is gonna stay
focused.
Shawn Pigg (47:38):
Yeah. When you're starting to find yourself and
your purpose When you're not
Skido Ortiz (47:41):
sure I would agree. Yeah. Because when
Shawn Pigg (47:43):
I first went through my healing thing and, you know,
started stepping into my nextone, I did put blinders on
because I didn't care what washappening around me.
Skido Ortiz (47:50):
What I cared about
Shawn Pigg (47:51):
was where I was going. But like you also said,
laser focus.
Skido Ortiz (47:54):
Yes.
Shawn Pigg (47:54):
But as you start to move on, take those blinders
Take them blinders off. Yeah.Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (47:58):
So you're a little ahead of the game.
Skido Ortiz (48:00):
I'm 10 steps ahead. I'm that note, I'm on this show.
I'm wrapping it up. You likechess, I know it's gonna end
like that.
DeShawn Snow (48:11):
We play chess, not checkers. Thank you so much,
Sean. Thank you for veryenlightening conversation. How
can others hear more from youand find out more about you?
Shawn Pigg (48:21):
You can go to seanpigg.com. Shawnpigg. You can
find me on TikTok, shawnpigg.Everything's shawnpigg.
DeShawn Snow (48:28):
Okay.
Shawn Pigg (48:28):
I'm branding myself. This is my new my That's new
awesome. I'm not gonna buildanybody else.
Skido Ortiz (48:33):
Good for you. Good for you.
Appreciate you, Shawn.
Shawn Pigg (48:36):
Appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you for
inviting me out.
DeShawn Snow (48:38):
Well, thank you everyone for tuning in on this
episode of 10 Steps Ahead.
Skido Ortiz (48:42):
-Yes, sir.
-Love and life. Love.
Hi, everyone. Thank you for another episode of
10 Steps Ahead. I'm your girl,DeShawn Snow.
Skido Ortiz (00:26):
Skido in the building.
DeShawn Snow (00:28):
And we have an exciting guest
Skido Ortiz (00:30):
with us Shawn, my man, Shawn Piggs.
DeShawn Snow (00:33):
Mr. Sean Pigg.
Skido Ortiz (00:35):
I love it.
Shawn Pigg (00:35):
Thank you. Thank you for allowing me I here love it.
Skido Ortiz (00:38):
I love it. Hey, so everybody know that this show is
universal. Right? We're talkingabout everything worldwide.
We're gonna have certain guests,special guests coming on.
And, Shawn, I'm so happy you'reable to be one of our first
guests on here. I mean,actually, it's two on two, you
and VA, but just we're excitedabout having these guests and
interviewing you, man. Andyou're doing a lot. You've done
(01:00):
a lot of great things andinspirational things out here,
and I needed you to come on theshow and share it, man. I was
telling the show about you, andwe're glad to have you here.
Shawn Pigg (01:08):
Well, thank you for the invite.
DeShawn Snow (01:10):
Definitely. So you're a master at turning
life's toughest moment intostrategic fuel, because we're
all about chestnut checkers. Asa resilient strategy and
speaker, you help people andorganizations reframe adversity
as their secret weapon. So I'mexcited to learn a little bit
more about you. Your work is allabout owning your story, but
(01:32):
let's start with yours.
If you have to connect the dotsbetween the Shawn of ten years
ago to the guy you are today,what's the real thread that ties
it all together?
Shawn Pigg (01:44):
It is the the growth that I've experienced within.
DeShawn Snow (01:47):
Okay.
Shawn Pigg (01:48):
As you go through challenges in life, you can, you
know, view them as obstacles oryou can view them as lessons.
And if you view it as a lesson,then you'll be able to get
through that challenge.Absolutely. The challenges that
I've experienced, not only inthe last ten years, but my
entire life, has taught me howto be resilient, has taught me
how to overcome, has taught mepatience, and most importantly,
(02:12):
has brought me closer to God.
DeShawn Snow (02:15):
Which is the purpose of it all.
Shawn Pigg (02:16):
Absolutely. Yes. Without God, I wouldn't be able
to be moving in the directionI'm moving into now. And I
didn't even find him, you know,truly I've always found him, but
until I went through my divorce.And when I had that moment of
solitude and and I, you know,started diving within and
listening to the spirits and Istarted discovering myself.
DeShawn Snow (02:35):
Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg (02:36):
Which was a which was a big growth, you know,
spurt for me.
DeShawn Snow (02:40):
I always say it's one thing knowing scripture, and
it's another thing experiencingscripture. So I'm with you on
that because when I went when Ialso went through a divorce,
even though I grew up in achurch, you know, understanding
knowing God in that way was agame changer for me.
Skido Ortiz (02:54):
So what I see is when y'all went through y'all
worse, to bring you closer tohim or open up things. But
here's the thing about it isbefore all of that go a lot of
people don't know I mean, that'swhy it's so important to have
something special in your life,you know, being whatever
religion you're in or whatever,if it's a life, whatever, is
positive. That to make thatfirst, don't wait for things to
(03:18):
happen. Because, you know, whenyou make it a to put that first
in your life will create thestop the things that's about to
happen. You understand?
It gives you a kind of God kindait's like another voice, because
we always say, there's twovoices in our head. There's bad
and there's good. Right? Youknow them red flags? We we can
listen to this.
We can listen to that. Some ofthe times, we listen to
(03:39):
ourselves. Right?
Yeah.
But God is always telling you, Listen, man, do the
right thing. And then, you know,the enemy's always like, Nah,
whatever, when you get to it.But with a lot of things comes
consequences. Correct?
Shawn Pigg (03:50):
And no matter what decision you Absolutely. Make,
there's a
Skido Ortiz (03:52):
You know what I'm saying? So on that note, man,
Sean, I know you're here. I seea lot of special things you've
been going doing in in out here,motivational speaker talking,
and I even went to visit yourhouse. We'll go there later.
That was amazing.
We got a story for that. But onthat note, I want I want you to
take us back to the show. Andback then, what made you how how
(04:13):
you became who you was? Whatclicked?
Shawn Pigg (04:17):
Well, when I was 19, I decided to take off from
Indiana and go to Florida andgot off the bus at Daytona
Beach. I think it was 1999 whenMC Hammer was down there.
Skido Ortiz (04:27):
Oh, yeah.
Shawn Pigg (04:28):
You know, I've seen all these beautiful women when I
get off the bus. I'm like, wheredid all these come from? You
know, didn't even exist in mylife in Indiana. And I said, I'm
staying here. So I decided tostay, and I was homeless for a
year and a half.
And, you know, bounced aroundtrying to figure out who I am
and what I was gonna become. Hadno, you know, real true destiny
(04:48):
in life. I just knew that, hey,this is party time for me. So I
stayed down there and washomeless for a year and a half
and was staying in thisabandoned hotel. And one day I
woke up, you know, from this bedthat I was sleeping in.
I looked in the mirror and itwas cracked. And it's almost
like you said, you have twosides of your yourself, the
North Pole and the South Pole,you know? The good and the bad.
(05:10):
So I was looking in this mirrorand I said, What am I doing?
What am I doing?
And then right then it clicked.It said, Okay, it's time to kick
in gear right now. Andimmediately, I went out and I
started working with companiesand helping build companies and
learning my talent. And fromthere, started moving forward,
building my own companies. AndI've owned my own companies now
(05:30):
for over twenty years.
Skido Ortiz (05:31):
Wow. Wow.
DeShawn Snow (05:33):
What was your driving force?
Shawn Pigg (05:35):
I was not going to be what everybody thought I was
gonna become.
DeShawn Snow (05:39):
Yes.
Shawn Pigg (05:39):
And, you know, I was a person I was supposed to be in
debt or in jail or, you know,homeless the rest of my life. I
wasn't supposed to becomeanything. And I wanted to prove
each and every person wrong.That was my drive. That's my
fuel.
Tell me I can't do it. Watch medo it 10 times better than what
I was going to.
DeShawn Snow (05:55):
Now did you have that belief in yourself? Because
sometimes we do it scared. Butdid you have the belief in
yourself, or did you do itscared?
Shawn Pigg (06:01):
I it once I seen that correct mirror, that's when
I started believing in myself. Isaid, I can do it. If I can be
homeless, then I can also bewealthy.
Skido Ortiz (06:09):
Can do anything.
Shawn Pigg (06:10):
I had a choice. It's my choice to
DeShawn Snow (06:12):
make. Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg (06:13):
And so I just started driving myself and
haven't stopped.
DeShawn Snow (06:16):
Wow. No, that's awesome.
Skido Ortiz (06:18):
That is amazing. And that on that note, when you
the companies you worked for,what's the first because I know
it took one to really set it up.Because working for somebody is
something else, but being yourown boss is special. You know
what I'm saying? But what madeyou want to be your own what
made you clear?
Because you know there's alwayssomebody that you, you know,
they take advantage you knowwhat I'm saying? When you work
(06:38):
with somebody and you're lookingat them, making them all this
money, and then all a sudden,you're like, You know what? I
could do this on my own. Whatwas it when that started?
I think my breaking point was that I went through a
lot
Shawn Pigg (06:48):
of jobs and a lot of careers. And I think my breaking
point was tired of making otherpeople rich. I was tired of
coming in there, learning theirsystem, mastering their system,
improving their system and thenmaking people rich. And I'm
sitting down here, you know,making a quarter of a million a
year. Like, okay, I'm gettingThis is getting old, and I'm not
seeing my family.
And so I think the breakingpoint of me going from a JOB,
(07:09):
you know, as an employee to, youknow, starting my own company
was when I helped the companybecome a billion dollar company.
I said, okay, this is the secondcompany I helped become be a
billion dollar company, and I'mmaking a quarter of a million a
year. And I said, I'm gonna ifI'm gonna make somebody a
billion dollars, it's
DeShawn Snow (07:24):
gonna be me.
Shawn Pigg (07:25):
Absolutely. Because keep in mind, we can do whatever
we want to
Skido Ortiz (07:28):
do. Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg (07:29):
So I wanted to make that you know, took that step in
you know, that stepping stone,it was definitely a roller
coaster. It was it was but Iwould never take it back.
DeShawn Snow (07:38):
Right. Woah. And the lesson was in the journey,
not the destination. Absolutely.Which we're still evolving,
Shawn Pigg (07:43):
right? 100 Not
DeShawn Snow (07:44):
the year. Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (07:45):
A 100%. Absolutely. It's all about the journey.
Yeah.
DeShawn Snow (07:48):
So all about, authenticity and staying true.
Was there a moment where youthought, screw fitting in. I'm
done hiding my scars. And andhow did you use that to change
the game for you?
Skido Ortiz (08:02):
Well, I would say that would probably have been
after the divorce. Okay.
Shawn Pigg (08:04):
I was with my ex wife for twenty five years. And,
you know, we instantly, youknow, just separated and got a
divorce. As you know, it's noteasy. Yeah. It's gonna bring up
a lot of dark shadows inyourself.
You're gonna learn a lot aboutyourself. You're gonna learn a
lot about where you need to growat, what you need to do to be
able to have that type ofcompanionship where it's a good
(08:26):
situation. Yeah. So when I wasgoing through this trauma and
healing myself and and secluded,you know, I moved out of the
city, bought a whole bunch ofland out in the middle of the
woods. Yeah.
Yeah. You see, I'm in the middle
Skido Ortiz (08:36):
of nowhere. Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (08:38):
That, you know, God put me there for a reason. He
put me there to reallyunderstand who I am, to make my
connection, and to say, okay,Sean, it's time to share your
experience with the world, toshare your journey because
there's people out there thatare going through what I had
been through that don't know howto overcome it.
DeShawn Snow (08:55):
Exactly.
Shawn Pigg (08:56):
And that's my job to help them overcome what they're
going through.
DeShawn Snow (08:59):
Right. That's and that's the whole purpose in any
type of adversity, I feel, that,you know, we go through it so
that we can come out and bringother people out. So even though
we're not at we may only be atchapter 12 in our story, but
someone's in chapter one or twothat needs to hear from us.
Shawn Pigg (09:13):
Absolutely. It's it's not happening to you. It's
happening for
DeShawn Snow (09:16):
you. Exactly.
Shawn Pigg (09:17):
And and you're absolutely a 100% right. And and
people, when you're doing yourvideos or you're doing your
podcast, those people that areat that frequency level that are
supposed to resonate with you atthat time, they're gonna pick up
in whatever chapter you're at.Exactly. And you're gonna help
them continue to grow.Basically, we're giving them a
blueprint.
Skido Ortiz (09:32):
A platform.
Shawn Pigg (09:33):
Yeah. A blueprint life. Okay. Hey. We've done
this.
We've already been there. Thisis how you avoid this. Let me
show you.
Skido Ortiz (09:37):
Mhmm.
Shawn Pigg (09:38):
And it's just giving back you know, in my opinion,
they say, you know, give 10% tocharity. I'm giving a 100% to
the world.
DeShawn Snow (09:45):
Absolutely.
Shawn Pigg (09:46):
You know, so I'm I'm believing in giving myself all
the way back to everybody.
DeShawn Snow (09:49):
I always say, you know, I help people cut decades
into days because it took me tenyears because, like you said,
until you're willing to do thework, hold up that mirror, face
those ugly parts and workthrough that, you know, you
can't heal.
Skido Ortiz (10:02):
-So it -That's took
DeShawn Snow (10:02):
me a long time to get to that point. But then when
you get sick and tired of beingsick and tired, then you're
like, okay, well, I gotta dosomething. But, if people always
say, Don't worry about whathappened to you. Worry about
what was the purpose. You know,why did it happen?
What are you supposed to learnfrom it? Focus inward, and then
you can grow. And then itdoesn't take as long, and
especially if you stay focused.
Shawn Pigg (10:24):
I'd be 100% right. And don't dwell on it. -Yes.
-You can't dwell
DeShawn Snow (10:27):
-I on don't
Skido Ortiz (10:28):
think dwell saying on it, you're
Shawn Pigg (10:29):
gonna be stuck right there. And you're just gonna
keep repeating the same cycleover and over again.
Skido Ortiz (10:32):
You can't. You gotta change. I don't care what
you do. You gotta change. Andthe thing is, pain can last
different times.
Pain will never go away. Grettawill never go away. But people
gotta know, don't let itovertake you. Just move forward
because it'll keep you locked ina dark place. And when you came
out of that dark place, wasgood.
And twenty five years is a longtime. You know, let's keep it
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real. For people out here thatmatter, you think, Oh, I'm good.
This, this. Yeah.
When you're going through it, itbecomes vicious. You know what
I'm saying? You start to attackeach other because every both
sides are hurt. There's a lot ofthings going on. And it's going
on today.
That's why we right here, whenwe this platform, not just an
interview, we're trying tochange lives too. Me and
(11:15):
Deshaun, we wanna do that. Imean, you first, you gotta
change within yourselves beforeyou to have a platform. You know
what I'm saying? That's why wekeep it real with ourselves, to
be honest.
But on that note, man, sorryabout your divorce, but I'm
happy for your journey.
Shawn Pigg (11:28):
Thank you. Thank you.
Skido Ortiz (11:29):
Was hot. I like that one.
Just jumped out. That came out
Shawn Pigg (11:31):
no way. Gonna be copyrighted. That
Skido Ortiz (11:34):
was hard right there. Take that. Take that. But
on that note
Shawn Pigg (11:37):
Another one from Ski E.
Skido Ortiz (11:38):
You can have that.
You can have that, y'all.
But I like what you're doing now. It's amazing.
And I met your son, and you havea great how many kids do you
have?
Shawn Pigg (11:49):
I have two. Have an 18 year old and 25.
Skido Ortiz (11:52):
I didn't meet I met the youngest one. Yep. Matter of
fact, DeShaun, you met him tooat the concert. It was the only
white kid in the whole concert.
DeShawn Snow (11:58):
That was on stage.
Skido Ortiz (11:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keeping records.
So I do remember.
My mother, my mother, when he was up there, so
they were The only just whiteboy there. The only white boy
there, he was chilling. And Iwas like, I was like, damn, with
his, with his other whitegirlfriend. Then she's like
She's straight ahead. And he'slike, what's up?
And I was like, yo, go get him.Remember the song I said,
(12:21):
Security, grab him.
So everybody point, this guy's coming. And when they
come grab him and
pull him, he wasn't worried about He's not dead,
Bob.
The way he came, you could tell he looked at his
girl. He's like, Yeah, followsecurity. He
came to
the stage and he goes, Stand right here. You
good? He's like, Yeah. And helooked over his girl and said,
This is what I do. He had the watch. Did
(12:45):
the watch thing. I was like, Good. But that was the
kid at the conference.
DeShawn Snow (12:49):
-Okay, Swallow. -Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (12:50):
Yeah. Appreciate you inviting him and taking care of
my reserve.
Skido Ortiz (12:52):
-Thank -Man,
Yeah, man. When I say kids is something else, I
got you. I got you, man. Heenjoyed himself. You know, he's
a good kid.
Good young man. You. Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (13:01):
So you say leaders should lead from scars and not
trophies. But let's get real.How do you stay vulnerable when
everyone is expecting you tohave all the answers?
Shawn Pigg (13:10):
You know, so answers naturally come to me. It's, you
know, based on experiences I'vealready had in life. And so
typically, I'm a person thatconnects energetically with
people. And I can feel who youare, where you're going, where
you're stuck at, where you needto go. So I just had this
ability to do this.
(13:30):
You know, people are born withgifts. Everybody is born with a
gift. It's up to you to find it.It's up to you to really dig in
yourself and say, okay, this ismy gift. I know it now.
And then start working on thatgift. And the more you work on
it, you know, the brighter thelight shines.
DeShawn Snow (13:44):
Yes. Yes.
Shawn Pigg (13:45):
And the more people you help. So I'm all about
finding people that are goingthrough rough challenges and
really digging deep into them.It's something I could do, and I
can't explain how. I really Andthen watching their progress.
DeShawn Snow (14:04):
Yes.
Shawn Pigg (14:04):
That's I love so watching somebody, you know,
like myself go from homeless tomaking 6 figures a year because
of my teachings and educationsand what I'm providing them
with. That experience, you can'tpay for. So that is my trophy.
DeShawn Snow (14:18):
Okay. Awesome. Yeah.
Skido Ortiz (14:21):
That's good. This is motivating.
I love it. It's just saying that there's nothing
you can't do. Anything you putyour mind to, God first, I mean,
it's nothing you can't do. Don'tgive up on yourself. Stay Quit.
In these dark Shake that out foryou, man. Okay, you made
mistakes. Everybody makesmistakes. Everybody's
Absolutely. Be accountable.
(14:41):
You know, look at yourselfsometimes. Make yourself better,
and then it'll glow on you. Fixyourself. No everybody nobody's
perfect. But the thing is, whenyou're moving forward, you're
trying to do the right things,that that's like a light.
People they wanna be around It'ssomething about you that's
different than the next. Youunderstand? Circle yourself
around light instead of dark.You know what I'm saying? Just
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it's just people don'tunderstand these things.
And that's why he's a light,even though I'm rough. I know
I've been in so much dark. Ilove light. That's why I wear
white all the time. And today isa different shirt.
Yeah. But but but they be like,Ski, when you it's not because
it's hot because I just likeeverything white. You know what
I'm saying? Light. Just lightcolors.
I don't wanna be dark places
no more.
You know what I'm saying? And I like the fact that
(15:24):
we have our talks and, you know,you share your dark places and
then you share the light a lot,man. I love it about you, Sean.
Shawn Pigg (15:30):
Thank you.
Skido Ortiz (15:33):
I just don't because we talk.
DeShawn Snow (15:34):
That's awesome. -Yeah. No, it's always about,
you know, I'm all about nomatter what it looks like, just
don't give up. -Yeah. -Becauseyou can't You never know where
you can get if you give up.
You know what I'm saying? Yourbreakthrough is probably right
on the other side of it. So I'mall about, keep pushing forward.
But, you talk a lot aboutreframing failure, which is
important. Give us a time when asetback felt like the end, but
(15:56):
it became a pivotal point inyour life.
Shawn Pigg (15:59):
Oh, I have a lot of those. I would say some of the
most important ones. When I was16 years old, I reunited a car
and a seven year old girl died,and she was my next door
neighbor. Most devastatingmoment of my life. At that
point, I became lost andconfused.
I basically, you know, I startedbeating up anybody who looked at
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me. I didn't was mean. I wasmad. I was angry. I was upset
with God.
Why did I do that? Because Ilove children. Why was I put in
that position? And it took me somany years to overcome that
trauma. You know?
And I always I walk through lifewith that fear that something's
gonna happen to my kids becauseI took a child's life. So I
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walked through that life everyday with this fear. Like,
where's my kids? Where's mykids? Where's my kids?
Where's my wife? Where's mykids? Then until I got ahold of
her mom and we became friends.And now I'm like her son. And I
helped her heal.
She helped me heal. So when thatmoment happened in my life, I
understood that God did that fora reason. God put me in that
(17:02):
position because they're notonly from the accident, but from
the experience, the journey ofwhat you know, after that, how I
went homeless, how I pickedmyself up, dusted myself off
with no support, done it on myown, and got back out there and
and became a successful businessowner. Yes. That's probably one
of the biggest moments.
There's you know, I've been ahomeless part. I've been a
(17:24):
divorce really the divorcereally woke me up. Yeah. As you
can imagine, you said you've I'mI'm sorry. Congratulations and
sorry.
I don't know which Well,
DeShawn Snow (17:33):
you know, that is what God needs to do to get my
attention. That's how I
Shawn Pigg (17:35):
look at it. A 100%. And and it works, don't it?
Skido Ortiz (17:38):
Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (17:38):
It works. And I look where you're
DeShawn Snow (17:40):
at now.
Shawn Pigg (17:40):
You're now you're you're your own new journey, and
which is incredible.Congratulations.
DeShawn Snow (17:45):
Thank you.
Shawn Pigg (17:46):
And that's what has brought me moving from I've been
a CEO of my company for overtwenty years. And now, the
divorce, I connected, was told,okay, no more of this. I still
own them all, but now it's timeto go this direction.
DeShawn Snow (17:59):
Okay. So that's Your priorities change.
Shawn Pigg (18:02):
A 100%. Yep. And you don't have that chaos. You turn
chaos into clarity. You'reyou're now becoming you're not
confused anymore.
Yeah. Know, now you
Skido Ortiz (18:10):
need And
DeShawn Snow (18:10):
God is not the author of confusion.
Shawn Pigg (18:11):
Correct. Because purpose doesn't need permission.
DeShawn Snow (18:13):
Exactly. I like that. Are dumb.
Skido Ortiz (18:17):
Dropping mics today, boy. Take that. Take
that. Saying?
DeShawn Snow (18:21):
I'll take that. I'll take that.
Skido Ortiz (18:23):
I'm giving y'all that. Take it in your spirit.
DeShawn Snow (18:25):
No, this is good.
Skido Ortiz (18:26):
So you own all these companies and everything
like that. And you so cool. Youchill, laid back. Today, we got
our little jeans and shirt.People don't understand wealth
don't show off.
And people that wear money don'tshow off. See, a lot of y'all be
with cars and chains, y'all lookalike. Y'all do the same thing.
Invest. Understand what businessis.
(18:46):
Understand how to link yourselfwith powerful people. Y'all
looking for Y'all all looking atthat's not it. You understand? I
always could see the person inthe corner that a certain
person, an athlete orentertainer that's very
powerful, it'd be the mostcoolest person in the room.
Don't look like nobody in theroom.
And that's the person they trustthe most. And I always had an
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eye for that to go, Yo, who'sthat? Oh, no. Who's that with
the suit and the tie and thejewelry? Man, that's not it.
It's that dude. You know whatI'm saying? The one that doesn't
care It looked like he doesn'tcare about none of this. You
know what I'm saying? But it'ssomething light about him that
whatever he is, he's humbleabout it.
He knows who he is as a person.You know what I'm saying? And he
has a different light about it.He got a glow. What we could say
(19:30):
is you could tell he likesseeing people win.
You know what I'm saying? Onlypeople that's like that could
see that.
DeShawn Snow (19:35):
-Absolutely. -Mike or Trike?
Skido Ortiz (19:38):
So, you know, and that's something else.
Shawn Pigg (19:41):
I mean, I'm not as sure by any means, but I could
tell you, mean, my home's boughtand paid for. My vehicles are
bought and paid for. I read itback.
Skido Ortiz (19:47):
Yeah, you'd be swagged out.
Sometimes it depends on my
Shawn Pigg (19:50):
No, son dresses
Skido Ortiz (19:51):
yeah, yeah. Sometimes the one time you had
on some outfit for some and VA was with me. He
said, Man, that man's decked outfrom head
to toe. He said, Man, that I
was like, Yo, that's fly, man. I was like But
it wasn't about You know, wejoke and laugh
about that, but seriously, it was
Shawn Pigg (20:07):
I went through that divorce. My son said, Shawn Or
he said, Dad. He said, Let mestart buying your clothes for
you.
Skido Ortiz (20:11):
Oh, that's for sure.
Shawn Pigg (20:12):
That's what happens. So next thing I know, he comes
home with, like, you know, LouisVuitton Louis Vuitton D'Or, you
know, Amiri, and
Skido Ortiz (20:20):
then Yeah. Oh, that's what you're And,
Shawn Pigg (20:21):
yeah, he's had me all dressed up. I'm like, Okay.
What'd do? He goes, Now you look19.
Skido Ortiz (20:25):
I'm like, Is that what your son do, D? No. And
Sean, like, when you
told him to make it lighter I mean, you know how to
dress already, but what did yourkid do to make it lighter? Mean,
because they always tried to
DeShawn Snow (20:37):
make lighter. So it was just the one that was
there because the other two werewith their dad. But you I was
such a hot mess, so he didn't
Skido Ortiz (20:44):
know what to do. Yeah,
DeShawn Snow (20:45):
yeah, no. Yeah. Okay.
Skido Ortiz (20:46):
I'm very
Shawn Pigg (20:46):
I understand.
DeShawn Snow (20:47):
Yeah. But what I wanted to do to For me, what
worked for me is simplicity, youknow, instead of I had all this
stuff, but once you are okaywith not having that, I'd rather
have peace than to have all thisstuff or try to keep keep it and
try to maintain it and try toeven just maintenance on things.
So simplicity also helped tokeep things to help me move
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forward because you you can'tthrive in chaos.
Shawn Pigg (21:11):
Absolutely. Right. 100%.
Skido Ortiz (21:15):
Kids are special. You know, when my mom's died, my
daughter was young, and shedidn't leave my sight. That was
the dark one of the dark. I hada lot of but that was like, oh,
forget about it. When you lose amother, that's the worst
connection.
But she just seemed like, youknow, what Kepestu, she just
never left my sight. You knowwhat I'm saying? And until this
(21:37):
day, she's 21. She, you know,she made me this shirt. Always
looking out.
Kids, dark places, somebody, thepeople you love the most, try to
attach yourself to somebody.Don't care if it's one person,
but that one person can saveyour life. I don't care if it's
a family member or a friend thatadores you and loves you and
wants the best for you. Youdon't need a group. You can
connect, go to that one person.
(21:57):
Sometimes that one thing canshake the darkness out of you. I
mean, that's happened for me. Imean, sometimes people will
attach ourselves to people thatain't that can't pull us out of
things, but you just go to theone that you know no matter what
got your back. You know what I'msaying?
Shawn Pigg (22:10):
Absolutely. And then along that journey, you know,
people will come there for areason and for a season.
Skido Ortiz (22:14):
Know what
I mean? Yes.
Shawn Pigg (22:14):
They're here to, like, hit that one little spot
in you, and then all of asudden, they're gone. Yeah. As
your frequency rises, peoplejust disappear, new people come
in.
Skido Ortiz (22:22):
Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (22:22):
And you'd be And I've learned through life to
just let it be, be fine with it,not try to figure out and break
it down why it happened as thatnow. People go, just let them
go. Because really, it's notpart of your plan.
Shawn Pigg (22:35):
And they can't Not everybody is meant to go with
you.
DeShawn Snow (22:37):
Right.
Shawn Pigg (22:37):
A 100%.
Skido Ortiz (22:38):
Say that again?
Shawn Pigg (22:39):
Not everybody is meant to go with you.
Skido Ortiz (22:40):
That means cut cut it loose. Okay. I'm a break that
down. In my world, y'allreceive. Y'all agree with me.
When when I feel, you know,since God wants ready to take me
to the next level, sometimeshe'll hold up the blessing
because he's trying to tell youto release that person.
DeShawn Snow (22:55):
Yeah. Because you're nervous.
Skido Ortiz (22:56):
But you're trying to think he'd been with me ten,
twenty years. In ten, twentyyears, what have he brought to
the table? What what has he donein your life? Besides, a friend
is is cool, but you gotta feedpeople. There's things you gotta
do.
So I understand that y'all gottalet go and trust to let go
because everybody around youain't good for you. You
understand what I'm saying? Andwhen you're going to the next
level, there's gonna be roomsthey're not ready for, and
(23:18):
actually will mess your businessup if you bring them in the
rooms. You know what I'm talkingabout?
Shawn Pigg (23:22):
One of the hardest things to overcome is
attachment.
Skido Ortiz (23:24):
It is.
Shawn Pigg (23:25):
One of the hardest things, because people, us, as
humans, are attached to things.Persons, places, things, people,
and learning how to havedeattachment is where you're
gonna start seeing your growthwhen you're not being attached.
And also learning how to controlyou know, it helps you control
your emotions and feelings.
Skido Ortiz (23:41):
Yes. Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (23:42):
And being detached from the outcome.
Skido Ortiz (23:44):
Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (23:44):
That stick for me. You know, you can't just detach
yourself from the outcome. Don'tworry about do what you're gonna
do. Don't worry about theoutcome.
Shawn Pigg (23:50):
Yeah. Just do it. Make it happen. Mhmm. You know?
And and absolutely and that wasone very hard part as I started
getting into motivationalspeaking. Look at the outcome.
Yes. Okay. What what's happeninghere?
Okay. How how why am I notgetting likes? Why am not
getting views? Why am
Skido Ortiz (24:03):
I and whatever. And now
Shawn Pigg (24:04):
I don't even care anymore. Yeah. That's the good
part.
Skido Ortiz (24:06):
Don't care.
Shawn Pigg (24:07):
Distrust. Those that are meant to be there and find a
message will find And a ifpeople, you know, as your
frequency increases, you'regonna run into new people. Yes.
You know? I mean, I met Ski, Imean, was know, that was during
the
Skido Ortiz (24:20):
time came to my restaurant.
DeShawn Snow (24:22):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Skido Ortiz (24:22):
Oh, no, no. Let me tell you the story. So this is
that this is
just how God be working. He came, and whoever
was cooking back there messed upthe whole whatever it was, they
wasn't happy. And I was and Iwas sitting at the bar just
chilling because I, you know, Istill don't wanna be there. I
don't know why I'm there.
Shawn Pigg (24:39):
We had about fifteen, twenty people there.
Skido Ortiz (24:41):
Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. And And
he could tell you the story from there. I don't
know about what happened. Wewent He came to me. What
happened? So, yeah, walked over.
Shawn Pigg (24:49):
We're sitting at the dinner table, and, you know, the
food was late, and then it cameout cold and this kind of stuff.
And my family, you know, they'reall complaining. Well, I'm not
saying anything. I'm lookingaround the restaurant. I'm like,
I see some guy over herewatching basketball, just
sitting back like this, watchingbasketball by himself.
And I said, That's the owner. Isaid, I'll be back. And they're
like, No, don't. Don't. Sean,don't.
Let's just leave. Let's just payhis bill. I said, Well, we're
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going to pay the bill, but I'mgonna go have a talk with him.
Because I knew, as a businessowner, he has the right to
understand what is going on withthis That's right. I didn't make
him aware, he doesn't know howto fix it.
So I walked over there. I waslike, Hey, you own this place?
He goes, What seems to be theproblem? And then we started
talking and
Skido Ortiz (25:27):
I ain't seen the
fucking up. He didn't. Because I'm trying to
hide, but horses recognizebosses. I'm trying to chill.
What is it?
What's going on with you?
Shawn Pigg (25:41):
He did not want to talk to me.
Skido Ortiz (25:43):
He's like, man, I'm in
Shawn Pigg (25:44):
the middle of a game here. And he goes, actually,
it's No, it's my partner'srestaurant. But we started
talking, and I explained thesituation to him. And, you know,
he's offered me a discount. I'mlike, I'm not worried about
that.
I wanna pay the bill. I'm notworried about it. And ever since
then, it's just our energyconnected instantly.
Skido Ortiz (26:03):
I told him, Come back. I handled it like you're
supposed to handle it. Iaddressed it. It was soft, and
we and I said, what can I do tomake it better? You understand?
At the end of the day. And Icome back. I'll make because I
knew who was back there messingup anyway. He was he was going
through some cooks. But I saidand then from there, we just
it's just we start talking, Justtalking as genuine people, just
talking about life andeverything, and that was it.
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God has set you up. I've You'vedone this
this all my my
Shawn Pigg (26:28):
100. On your past. Ever and and it's amazing that
ever since my divorce, everybodyI knew in that past life is no
longer part of this life.There's nobody nobody I talk to.
They're all everybody is new.
Wow. So that's as your energyand frequency increases and you
find your true self, you knowwho to associate with, who to be
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around, and who's gonna inspireyou on your journey.
DeShawn Snow (26:51):
Yeah. And you have to be grounded in who you are
and you have to because I findbecause I am a totally different
person than who I was before.Life has humbled me, but and
I've grown in so many ways. Andso when you have people from
from before, then they alwayswanna put you in that box. But
then you're, like, second like,wait a minute.
What? Like, because I know myintentions, and I know I'm I'm
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not that same person. Butsometimes, you know, I'm like,
God, you know, I don't get thisbecause help me see what I'm
missing. And then he's like, no,you're not doing anything. They
just they can't see you no otherway.
Shawn Pigg (27:23):
Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (27:24):
And they're not always good for you.
Skido Ortiz (27:25):
That's why it's good for change. Y'all be scared
to be man, I
don't I care
Shawn Pigg (27:29):
love change.
Skido Ortiz (27:30):
I love man, I don't care of you. I mean,
change is beautiful because somebody's bringing
something new in your life. Youcan't stay with the old all the
time. Could keep your friendFamily's never going nowhere.
But friends it's always and theyshould be happy. They should be
happy that you're growing.
I mean, it doesn't matter whatcolor you are, how much But
money you got, all of there'ssomebody in there that's trying
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to keep you in the box, yougotta cut that.
Okay.
Because they're not growing. They don't
wanna grow. They're not meant to go with you.
You know, when when y'all went through your darkest
times, a lot of them came to seehow buried you are. They didn't
come to bring you out of it. Youfeel what I'm saying? They
looked to come, and you seethem, they're not around. They
was around for the show and thelight and all the glam, but they
was just checking to make sure,because there's people that's
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just miserable.
They wanna see people down. Youknow what I'm saying?
DeShawn Snow (28:16):
I have a few people that are still there who
help pull me out. And they, youknow, and they because they know
how hard I was. You know, Idon't know if you went through a
period of, like, shame and guiltand all of this other stuff and
just, you know, all thisnonsense. But they
Shawn Pigg (28:32):
Blaming yourself.
DeShawn Snow (28:33):
Mhmm. Speak life into you. Another thing I wanted
to ask you about is, like,pivoting a lesson that you had
to unlearn. Like, for me, when II was I had all this stuff, a
company, a foundation and allthis stuff, and then But I was
also married. But then once Iwasn't married, once I didn't
have those titles, life washarder for me.
(28:55):
Like, things weren't coming tome as easy. And then But it took
me forever, but I had to finallyrealize that, you know, God had
a plan for me before I was evenformed in my mother's womb. -So
-Gather before my I met my exand before I got divorced. So my
plan His plan for me did notchange. And I thought, you know,
everything was gonna change, butit did not.
But that was, like, a bigmoment, and it gave me
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permission to, like, go afterthings. But did you have to
unlearn anything in yourjourney, whether it be from your
divorce or any of your other,like, business failures or
anything?
Shawn Pigg (29:25):
I've had to unlearn a lot. Everything society taught
me. Yeah. Yeah. Everything theschool systems teach you,
everything, you know, yourparents taught you because the
way they were raised and the waythey grew up.
And because naturally, what youlearn growing up is what you're
gonna become typically. And mostpeople will stay that direction
the rest of their lives. Butwhat I really had to unlearn is
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how to love myself beforeProperly. Yeah. 100%.
Yep. I really had to love myselfbefore I can even love somebody
else. Yes. You know, regardlessif I was getting married twenty
five years or not, once Idiscovered how to learn to love
myself, a whole new worldopened.
DeShawn Snow (30:05):
Yeah. Because you see yourself as worthy. You see
yourself as valuable.
Shawn Pigg (30:09):
Yeah. Because when you're in a relationship,
especially at the end of it,know, things can get ugly. You
know, words could be thrownaround and then it can mess up
your, you know, your focus. Itcan mess up your your
confidence. It can mess up a lotof things about you.
And that's what you have tounlearn. Like, biggest thing I
learned, I don't care whatanybody says about me. Amen.
That's Nothing. So I don't care.
You can say whatever you wantabout me because it doesn't
(30:30):
bother me. That's it. I'm gonnastay focused. I'm gonna keep
going, and I'm gonna keepdriving. That's what I'm gonna
do.
DeShawn Snow (30:35):
Yeah. Yes. And was that did you get to that point
or you always felt that way?
Shawn Pigg (30:41):
What do about that? It took the it had to go through
the healing process. Yep. Had togo through the dark side to see
the light side. Had to fightyour dark shadows that that that
you've been holding on even as achild.
And then through, you know, youryeah. How long were you married?
DeShawn Snow (30:54):
We were married twelve and a half years, but we
were together for, like, twentybecause we were freshmen.
Shawn Pigg (30:57):
So you know that feeling? Yeah. You had to
unlearn all that. Everythingthat you thought that you did
know is not what you need toknow going forward.
DeShawn Snow (31:06):
Right.
Shawn Pigg (31:06):
Yeah. Because you're right. You knew your purpose
before you're even born. Andeverything that's thrown at you
in life is for you to learn fromthat lesson. And if you really
truly watch and pay attention tothose challenges, the lesson is
very clear.
DeShawn Snow (31:24):
And there's patterns too, really.
Shawn Pigg (31:26):
Absolutely. And and and we have to break that
pattern.
DeShawn Snow (31:28):
Yes.
Shawn Pigg (31:29):
Yep. You have to break it down.
DeShawn Snow (31:29):
But you have to identify it.
Shawn Pigg (31:31):
Correct.
DeShawn Snow (31:32):
So I always tell people the journal, like, how do
because if if you're notcognizant of it, conscious of
it, you know, you won't identifyit. But it can be clear as day.
Shawn Pigg (31:40):
Yep. Right there in front of you. Yeah. I mean, the
synchronicity, the signs,everything, right there in front
of you. So when I went through adivorce, you know, I've had many
people saying, Sean, why are youwhy are you so married to your
why are you so married?
Why are you still married? Andit took one man to come up and
say the same exact words I'veheard a 100 times before and it
before it hit me. So we can alldeliver the same message. It
(32:00):
just depends on, you know, who'slistening and who's delivering
if it connects.
DeShawn Snow (32:05):
And if you're ready to receive it.
Shawn Pigg (32:07):
Correct. You have to be ready to receive it. A 100%.
Yeah. So that's something I hadto unlearn.
Yeah. Be open to receiving. Yes.In which I there was you know,
going through my life, I wasonly focused on business,
raising the children, and beingthere, you know, for my ex and
not
DeShawn Snow (32:23):
me. Yes.
Skido Ortiz (32:25):
So loving yourself, getting yourself back together.
So the part I like what you'resaying is I don't care anymore
what people say.
But see, people are
caught up in how what people think and what they
feel. And that's what putspeople in a bad situation. To
me, that's the number one to me,if the enemy was sending out
(32:46):
something to destroy people,that's number one, caring about
what people feel and think aboutyou, instead of you loving and
caring about what you feel aboutyourself.
DeShawn Snow (32:56):
And being sure about
Skido Ortiz (32:57):
what you And being confident. But at the end of the
day, it's not worrying aboutthey're not putting food on your
table. They're not here takingcare of you. You understand what
I'm saying? Absolutely.
You can't stop people from beingnegative like you. If they don't
like you, they don't like you.You can't make people like you.
You understand? You gotta be whoyou are and love yourself and be
open to stuff.
(33:17):
You know what I'm saying? Andthat's what I like. I like that
this whole journey for me hasbeen being vulnerable. You know
what I'm saying? And I'mlearning that.
You know what I'm saying? Justhaving to just opening up myself
to, you know, to a lot ofthings. The war is over for me.
That's how I feel. Youunderstand?
And everybody has a dark plot.That's war. So if you go to war
(33:39):
and you make it out of it, nowwhat? The war is over. Now what?
You can't be the same personthat you was battling.
DeShawn Snow (33:45):
Lying has to change.
Skido Ortiz (33:46):
-Something in you made you stronger. Something in
it said, You know what? What Iused to care, I don't care. And
that's the part where we atright now, and that's motivating
to me and us in all our darkplaces.
DeShawn Snow (33:56):
For sure. Confidence Like and I'm and it
was different levels where Icared what people thought. And
then, like, more recently, itwasn't so much because I was I
guess it still was a matter ofinsecurity, but it was more so
because, like I said, I know I'mdifferent, and I don't want them
to think I'm in it that, youknow, this and that and the
other, but then after a while,they don't think what they're
(34:16):
wanting
Shawn Pigg (34:16):
to Absolutely. You can't control that thought.
DeShawn Snow (34:18):
You have to just go through life, you have to
just keep So with me, I'm, like,staying in my lane, I'm keeping
my head down, going forward witheverything that I had planned,
people are falling off. And it'sheartbreaking, but I can't keep
second guessing myself. I haveto be sure in who I am. And I go
to God all the time, you know,cleanse my heart, you know,
reveal anything in me that's notof you, but it's all about
(34:42):
having that confidence and notcaring. And not in a rude,
arrogant way, but just as amatter of fact, like, this is
not paying my bills, so let mejust And you're not helping my
purpose.
That's a better way of
Skido Ortiz (34:56):
saying it.
Shawn Pigg (34:56):
You're 100% right. You're not paying my bills,
you're not helping my purpose,and you're absolutely not in
alignment with me. So whateveryou have to say doesn't matter
to me.
Skido Ortiz (35:04):
Unless you're already where I want to go,
Shawn Pigg (35:07):
I mean, know, I mean, look at what you guys are
doing right now. You know,you're inspiring the world.
You're helping. You're By doingthese interviews, there's going
to be messages that aredelivered that's going to help
somebody out. So what you'redoing now is in alignment of,
you know, the higher good,what's happening right now.
I mean, right now, if youRegardless of which way you look
at it, there's timeline shifts.There's spiritual warfare that's
(35:27):
going on right now. We all knowit. I mean, if you don't know
it, you're still asleep. Wakeup.
So the biggest thing is facingthose challenges as you're going
through this spiritual warfarethat's happening right now.
Skido Ortiz (35:42):
I'm gonna ask you something, just to change the
subject
It's a little getting a little deep here,
emotional. Gotta come shift off.So we took a visit out to your
house out there in themountains. And then I pull up,
and I'm a Black man. I'm therewith my cameraman.
He's a Black man. And we pullup, and this dog comes in front
of the freaking car, he doesn'tmove. He's staring at us. And he
(36:03):
don't move. And I'm like, Yo,should I run him over?
And he's daring me, and I'mtalking to the dog. You can ask
my And we're looking at eachother. It sound like a movie.
But now I'm thinking, Should Ieven go deeper in the woods?
Because this ain't working out.
Now we lost all signals to ourphones.
So I said, I'm going to this man, where is Sean
taking?
Shawn Pigg (36:21):
I've seen this in the movies before.
Skido Ortiz (36:22):
I've seen this before, man. I said, this is
we're not gonna go up there withall these white people getting
stuck up there. And it's a pear.He has this And dogs are just
staring at us around the trucks.I'm like, Yo,
I don't know. What you think, Dre?
He's like, I don't know. I'm like, Yo, I can run
them on and turn around. It tookus about two minutes
to go up that path. And we went up there and all of
(36:43):
sudden, this big, nice,beautiful wood cabin thing. And,
you know, you got the dogs andyou're calling the dogs. And I
was like, Wow, he really was outhere. So all this time, I wanna
apologize for something.
When I used to call, I used togo, You know when you call
somebody, Yeah, yeah, I got abad signal. I got a
bad signal. I said, This man is full of shit. He's
full of shit.
He's fucking bullshit. I said, Yo, man, who
(37:04):
you think I like? He keepsalways with this signal thing,
man.
I'm just keeping it real with you.
You here. So finally, I got
out there, lost all signal. And I just wanted to
apologize thinking was all thisdriving
Shawn Pigg (37:15):
I got signal.
Skido Ortiz (37:15):
And then,
I gotta wait till
I go to it. He kept saying, Can I call you back?
Because I gotta get anothersignal.
Now, those little towers you got around your
property, can you explain thatand that business? Because we
got a discount. We use your cardand your new business that
you're
Shawn Pigg (37:30):
Absolutely. So when I moved from the city out to the
country, there's no internet. Sowe had to build towers. We built
a 180 foot tower. And I waslike, Okay, well, why don't we
get smart in supplying internetto other people out here that
don't have internet?
So that's what the big tower is.And that's why we have a phone
signal. That's why we haveinternet. Wow. Because of the
(37:51):
towers.
DeShawn Snow (37:52):
Wow.
Shawn Pigg (37:52):
Yep. And it and it helps all the other people
around there as well.
Skido Ortiz (37:55):
You built that for that and all that.
DeShawn Snow (37:56):
But was that is that your expertise or you just
knew you
Skido Ortiz (37:59):
had a need
DeShawn Snow (37:59):
for it and you'd own?
Shawn Pigg (38:00):
Well, I I ran into a guy who owns an Internet
business, and he became one ofmy best friends. He's actually
actually the one that is theperson that I heard is what made
me leave my ex wife. That's Yep.So he was the very first person
I met when I moved out there.And we went out to dinner.
And he goes and he said, comehere. He goes, let me talk to
(38:21):
you. He goes, I hate to saythis. This may ruin our
friendship, but I don't care.But what are you doing?
And it woke me up. And I andthen ever since then, we became
best friends. I was supposed tobe in Greece with them right
now.
DeShawn Snow (38:33):
Greece?
Skido Ortiz (38:33):
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. New friends.
Greece.
All of this, I
DeShawn Snow (38:36):
want some friends to go
Skido Ortiz (38:37):
to Greece. I went back to
I'm back in Orlando now. Not to put it. We got the
new you the you were about tocome to the store, the new
sneaker store, play for Hackssneakers. Gotta promote that.
You know, sorry, gotta promote that.
Plug, absolutely. He was about to come.
Everybody's showing up. But whenI went back, my friend Mark
Zipper, he's gonna he watchesit. He's my Jewish friend.
He they're at the yacht clubs. Ihang out at the yacht club. So I
(38:58):
you know, Mia's down there forthe first time. She's like,
Where are you? I said, I'm atthe yacht club.
This is how I move. I said, Letme FaceTime her because she
probably put that look on. And Ilooked around the golf and all
the yacht people,
and he's like, You really at the yacht club.
It's called Different Friends, Different
Move, and I Scared to Open Up.And that's what you do when God
got so much for y'all to do.Share it. Open up to new friends
(39:21):
and new doors. It's okay totrust that.
Shawn Pigg (39:24):
Keep your mind open.
Skido Ortiz (39:25):
Keep your mind Always keep
Shawn Pigg (39:26):
your mind open. And and your heart. And your heart
because it has to work hand inhand with each other. You know,
your mind, your heart and yoursoul, your spirit, everything
has to work.
Skido Ortiz (39:33):
And that travel business, talk about that with
the card you gave me.
Shawn Pigg (39:36):
So Hotels Etcetera, we are the oldest and largest
CEG program on the Internet,closed user group. We've been in
business thirty years. I've beena CEO for twenty years. That's
when I walked away from mycorporate world and said, okay,
I'm gonna start my own businessbecause my ex was pregnant with
my second child. And I didn'tsee my first child because I was
on the road all the time.
(39:57):
And I'm like, I'm not going dothis for the second child. So I
was sitting at home one day andI was watching an infomercial
and a company came on in,infomercial. And I probably
spent every penny I had in myname, over $100, buying into
this company, buying exclusivesfor this territory and this
territory and this territory. Ishowed up at home one day, all
the product was in my driveway.I'm talking about hundreds and
(40:18):
hundreds of boxes of product.
Immediately went out and startedhiring people to sell the
product, the program toeverybody. First month, I think
I did 100,000 in sales. So waspretty excited. Plus I gave 50%
commission. So I brought in100,000, paid out 50,000.
Well, second month, had 100,000in chargebacks. The company
didn't work. So not only did Ilose $100,000 but I lost the
(40:38):
$50,000 commissions I paid. Iwasn't from this industry. So I
instantly shut it down and said,Okay, noodles and noodles time.
That's what we're getting readyto do. And I just grinded it and
grinded it. And I, you know, meteverybody in the industry, know
pretty much every CEO of everysingle company out there in in
my industry and have personallynegotiated over 3,000,000
(41:00):
discounts in a 141 countries.
DeShawn Snow (41:03):
Oh, hotels.
Shawn Pigg (41:03):
The hotels, cruises, cardinals, restaurants, golf,
theme parks, So when I was inFlorida, went and got the
dehydration, the IV hydrationwith And now his company just
signed up for it. So he's like,I've never gave a discount.
Said, You are now. So what I dois I give businesses an
opportunity to get exposure,mass exposure to millions and
(41:26):
millions and millions of peopleas long as they give us a
discount that's not available tothe public. If they do that,
we'll bring you into thecompany.
So not only are we helpingcompanies, but we're helping
consumers save money. And then Ihave tens of thousands of
distributors out there thatdistribute. So I also help
entrepreneurs. So I'm helpingall three faucets of the
industry.
Skido Ortiz (41:45):
How many members you got
Shawn Pigg (41:47):
on here? I manage right now. I got four
Skido Ortiz (41:49):
mil a little over 4,000,000
Shawn Pigg (41:50):
in hotels, etcetera. I manage between all the white
labels and etcetera, about15,000,000 total. -Yeah,
Skido Ortiz (41:57):
it's -My man. Different stuff
out here, y'all. Connect to different things.
People making a lot of moneydoing big things out here.
Shawn Pigg (42:05):
And you got to think, during this time period
of running the company in02/2008, we had the financial
crisis, you know, that reallyaffected the company. However,
when the economy got bad, weboosted. And then obviously
COVID, boom, we really gotknocked down by COVID. So during
that time, I startedtransitioning to AI, artificial
intelligence. And those that arenot, you know, in tune with
(42:26):
what's going on right now inthis world, AI, you need to
learn it.
You need to learn it or it'sgonna be you're gonna be left
behind. Absolutely. That's likewhen I back in the 1990s, I was
the first person to own domainnames. I owned all of them and
sold them until I got sued byNickelodeon. Wow.
Yeah. Because and that wasbefore iCan came out, cyber
squatting and everything. Andthen I created a very first
electric ebook for Amazon. Andhe they stole it from me. Yep.
Skido Ortiz (42:50):
I heard that.
Shawn Pigg (42:51):
Say that.
Skido Ortiz (42:51):
Wow. And
Shawn Pigg (42:54):
then, know, I just so I kept moving. Like I said,
I've made so many other peoplerich.
Skido Ortiz (42:58):
Yeah.
Shawn Pigg (42:58):
And I was tired of doing that. But, yeah, Hotels
Etcetera is a great company, andit saves people a lot of money,
quite a bit of money.
DeShawn Snow (43:05):
That's awesome. One last thing I wanna ask, what
do you what advice would yougive people because, you know,
you are on your path, you'retrying, but, you know, you take
two steps forward and then youget knocked back 10 steps, you
know, and you're just like, ugh,I just can't win for losing. I
mean, obviously, you know you'resupposed to keep going, and
you're not supposed to give up.But what piece of encouragement
(43:26):
or advice would you give peoplelike
Shawn Pigg (43:27):
It's gonna happen. Still happens today. And and the
most important thing is becausethere's a lesson you didn't
learn. That's the most importantthing. So when you go two steps
forward and you're going fivesteps back because the third
step, you didn't understand whathappened.
And if you don't fix that, it'sgonna happen again and again and
again and again. And it's justgonna keep knocking back,
knocking back, knocking back.And the most important thing is,
you already mentioned it, don'tfocus on the outcome. Like what
(43:51):
I'm doing right now from amotivation, I don't care if I'm
making $1 I'm doing it becauseit's my heart. It's my purpose.
So I'm not focused on outcome.Just like the company now, I'm
not even focused on the outcome.I've already built one of I
basically have Airbnb, Uber,Lyft and everybody else on
steroids. You know, that's whatI am. And I didn't realize that
didn't hit me yesterday until Iwas walking.
(44:12):
I was like, what did I build? Ididn't even realize what I
built. So even being a CEO forover twenty years, I still just
now realize what I built. Sogoing through these challenges
and journeys as you're buildinga company, you get knocked down
and you go back, you know, sitdown and figure out what knocked
(44:32):
you down.
DeShawn Snow (44:33):
Okay.
Shawn Pigg (44:33):
What do I have to overcome and go around, know, in
order not to make that happenagain. And but it still happens.
DeShawn Snow (44:42):
And don't get discouraged by it.
Shawn Pigg (44:44):
Right? Never get discouraged. No. Because you
know what's gonna happen.
DeShawn Snow (44:46):
It's inevitable. You plan on failing. All then
succeed is just failing for it.
Shawn Pigg (44:50):
A 100%. Yes. Absolutely. And the more times
you fail, you know, the lesstimes you're going fail as you
move forward. So for example,the first ten years of the
company, I failed over and overand over and over again.
Am I still failing now? Yes, buta bigger level. You know,
because those smaller steppingstones help me fail at the
bigger steps, you know, thebigger levels. And to overcome
(45:12):
it is so much easier now.
DeShawn Snow (45:14):
Yeah. You overcome it quicker. It's like a quicker
turnaround, quicker. You're notset back and all in the bed and
depressed
Skido Ortiz (45:21):
about I like the way you said, yeah, from a
smaller scale, now you're on abigger scale doing but you kept
moving forward. You understandwhat saying? You just don't give
up. Just trust yourself. Youknow?
Just like you said, learn fromyour mistakes. Every I feel like
this. If you don't pass yourtest, it's gonna keep coming
over and over. I'm saying that Idon't care who you what you
think you are. If you don'tpass, God keeps He gonna bring
(45:42):
you right back.
He said, until you pass this,humble yourself or look at
yourself and all of that. Andthen when it doesn't bother you
anymore, you're gonna
Shawn Pigg (45:50):
move on to the next. -That's when you're test
Skido Ortiz (45:52):
-That's -Because you're testimonial. -A 100%
correct. Absolutely. And that'sAnd until then, you're gonna
keep going through all that.You're gonna say, Nope.
He's gonna bring you right back.And that's And that's when it
That's the testimony. When youdeliver, you overcome these
things. And then you share it sosomebody else could grow. That's
it.
And that's what it's about,passing it down.
DeShawn Snow (46:12):
Being transparent and not worrying about what it
looks like.
Shawn Pigg (46:15):
Absolutely. And you know your purpose. I mean, you
know, like, you know, thesituation you went through and
where you're at now, you knowyour purpose. You know where
you're going, and your mind isfocused. And you're gonna do
very well at it.
You're gonna do great. You'regonna
Skido Ortiz (46:27):
do awesome. Both of you are.
I appreciate it.
Shawn Pigg (46:29):
And I I'm excited to watch your growth. It's gonna
it's and and share it as well.But now that you know your
purpose, nothing else matters.There's not nothing that no
matter what anybody says, nomatter how many times I trip and
fall, no matter nothing. Itdoesn't matter.
DeShawn Snow (46:42):
It's like you have to have blinders on. Right?
Skido Ortiz (46:44):
Well, don't wanna put blinders on.
DeShawn Snow (46:46):
Well, can look to the left or right for
Skido Ortiz (46:48):
You don't wanna have
DeShawn Snow (46:49):
for to be motivated, but not if it's gonna
distract you.
Skido Ortiz (46:52):
I mean, you don't Blinders could be dangerous,
though, because you wanna beopen. You wanna see everything.
That's the point. You putblinders on, you'll miss things.
You don't That's I don't believein that.
DeShawn Snow (47:01):
Think Or laser focused.
Skido Ortiz (47:02):
Yeah, laser focused is just that blinders are blind.
Know, you God's saying, Seeeverything. Because every You
gotta see all sides, becausethen you can grow from that. But
blind as you miss things, youknow? That's just
DeShawn Snow (47:13):
But if you're getting caught up, though, on
the things that you're seeing
Skido Ortiz (47:17):
I mean, you can't get caught You seeing it not to
get caught up. That's the point.You know what saying? If I don't
see it, I won't know what to door how to react. I'll need to
see everything.
DeShawn Snow (47:27):
But you at your heal space, you at your space
can see it and not get caught upon it. But somebody in the
beginning can see it and getcaught up on it. For people that
know, people that I tell them isthat your brain is gonna stay
focused.
Shawn Pigg (47:38):
Yeah. When you're starting to find yourself and
your purpose When you're not
Skido Ortiz (47:41):
sure I would agree. Yeah. Because when
Shawn Pigg (47:43):
I first went through my healing thing and, you know,
started stepping into my nextone, I did put blinders on
because I didn't care what washappening around me.
Skido Ortiz (47:50):
What I cared about
Shawn Pigg (47:51):
was where I was going. But like you also said,
laser focus.
Skido Ortiz (47:54):
Yes.
Shawn Pigg (47:54):
But as you start to move on, take those blinders
Take them blinders off. Yeah.Absolutely.
DeShawn Snow (47:58):
So you're a little ahead of the game.
Skido Ortiz (48:00):
I'm 10 steps ahead. I'm that note, I'm on this show.
I'm wrapping it up. You likechess, I know it's gonna end
like that.
DeShawn Snow (48:11):
We play chess, not checkers. Thank you so much,
Sean. Thank you for veryenlightening conversation. How
can others hear more from youand find out more about you?
Shawn Pigg (48:21):
You can go to seanpigg.com. Shawnpigg. You can
find me on TikTok, shawnpigg.Everything's shawnpigg.
DeShawn Snow (48:28):
Okay.
Shawn Pigg (48:28):
I'm branding myself. This is my new my That's new
awesome. I'm not gonna buildanybody else.
Skido Ortiz (48:33):
Good for you. Good for you.
Appreciate you, Shawn.
Shawn Pigg (48:36):
Appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you for
inviting me out.
DeShawn Snow (48:38):
Well, thank you everyone for tuning in on this
episode of 10 Steps Ahead.
Skido Ortiz (48:42):
-Yes, sir.
-Love and life. Love.
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