From Rock Bottom to Resilience: How to Turn Adversity into Strategic Wins

🔥"When life knocks you down, you don’t start over—you start AGAIN with wisdom." 
Join DeShawn Snow and Skido Ortiz for a raw, uplifting conversation about rebuilding after life’s toughest blows. In this episode of Ten Steps Ahead, we dive into:  
- Skido’s Darkest Hour: From losing his mother to battling depression and homelessness—how faith and fatherhood pulled him back.  
- DeShawn’s Pivot: Navigating divorce, self-sabotage, and reclaiming her purpose (spoiler: God’s plan is greater than  your pain).  
- Real Talk on Resilience: Why "failure" is just fuel, how to spot toxic relationships, and the mindset shift that changes everything.  
- The Power of Community: Why crying isn’t weakness—it’s strength.💪🏾

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Episode Transcript

DeShawn Snow (00:21):
Hey, everyone. Welcome to another episode of
Ten Steps Ahead. I'm your girl,DeShawn Snow.

Skido Ortiz (00:26):
And my and the other co host Skido in the
building here. I'm still excitedabout these cards. I'm sorry.

DeShawn Snow (00:32):
Ten Steps Ahead. This is

Skido Ortiz (00:34):
so dope. I like this. I'm sorry. I've been
holding it like this the wholetime.

DeShawn Snow (00:37):
You're so funny.

Skido Ortiz (00:38):
What's up, D?

DeShawn Snow (00:38):
What up, doe?

Skido Ortiz (00:39):
Man, I still like how y'all say that went up,
though, shit. That Detroit shitis so fire. I gotta add that
when I go to New York, I'm astart doing that for a while for
the whole week.

DeShawn Snow (00:48):
Represent. Represent. Okay. So today we
wanna talk about starting over.You know, I did an interview and
a lot of people A lot ofquestions I got was, you know,
how do you start over?
I do like to say, though, it'snever starting over, it's
starting again. Because nowyou're going at it from a level
of experience that you have fromwhat you went through. So in

(01:10):
your life, what have you had toWhat was a challenging time in
your life that had you to pivotwhere you had to start from the
bottom

Kay Davis (01:17):
-Wow. Start all

Skido Ortiz (01:18):
True story. When it the worst time I had to start
over is when my mother passed.
when she I don't know.Everything looked like it was
falling apart. It looked like, Ithink, I was falling apart. So
then I was going through themotions.

DeShawn Snow (01:38):
Mhmm.

Skido Ortiz (01:38):
And I was losing things thinking I was in
handling my business, but I wasgone. And to the point where
everything just collapsed.Nothing mattered. Just
everything was devastating tome. But then I felt, I said,
that was the worst time.
So I'm lose, I lost my mother.Now I'm losing business because

(01:59):
I can't focus. Everythingdoesn't mean anything no more. I
lost the love of my life. Youknow what I'm saying?
So nothing matters no more. Yes.And I went to a bad like, it
just got darker and darker tothe point, man. I was on was
this is a true story. Nobodyreally knew this.
When my mom, I just went to adark place and just and I was

(02:19):
like, I think I was on I wasliving in a hotel. Because
you're not homeless till you'rein the street, I was in a hotel,
but I didn't have a place.

DeShawn Snow (02:27):
Yes.

Skido Ortiz (02:27):
And I just couldn't get it all together. And then
one day, at the darkest moment,I was on the beach. True story
I'm sure it is. And I was like,I lost everything. And then my
mother, and I'm looking out inthe ocean, you know, you know
that enemy, that devil.
Yo, you might as well go outthere and kill yourself. Ain't
nobody gonna care. It's a darkocean. Just run out there and

(02:48):
just kill yourself. And Ithought about it.
And then I said, that's whatwhen he was loud in my ear, he's
always been loud in my ear sincea kid. Mhmm. And that same voice
carried on. And I said, yeah, Ithink I'm gonna and I just
started jogging. I said, nigga,you've been trying to kill me
since I've been here.
So that kinda woke me up. Mhmm.And it was like so I was about

(03:11):
to go on the oysters, made aright, and just started jogging
the beach. Nice shot. And afterthat, I just I was giving every
I started motivating myself.
Mhmm. Giving myself. Because I'mhardheaded anyway, so I don't
like to be told what to do. Sonigga tried to kill me. I'm
like, nah.
I think I'm I'm always theopposite anyway.

Kay Davis (03:24):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (03:25):
Right. But I just used that as motivation. And, I
was in a dark place. And, I wasdepressed. And, yes, I was lost,
and nothing else mattered.
And to come out of that was thehardest time ever in my life.
But slowly by slowly, I wasbuilding myself up, and and and
I got to where I What

DeShawn Snow (03:42):
was your strength? What what do you think gave you
the

Skido Ortiz (03:44):
strength? The kids.

DeShawn Snow (03:45):
Okay.

Skido Ortiz (03:45):
Because I had something to live for. And then
sometimes a voice will tell youwhat you got nothing to live for
when you got people that loveyou and need you here and that's
on this earth. It don't have tobe kids, it could be family,
friends, whatever it is, there'salways something to live for.
Absolutely. That's a lie.
Then that's what I held onto.And then I just started, I'm
myself, I motivate myself. Andme and God got closer. Was the

DeShawn Snow (04:10):
That's the whole point of it all too. Bring you
closer to Him.

Skido Ortiz (04:13):
Yes. And on that note, that was got me And I just
never looked back, motivatingmyself, motivating people. And
he said, What you do, I'm gonnamake you stronger, uplifting
people. And your worst, I wantyou to speak life into people.
But when you got everything, youdon't speak life.
At my worst, I was, yo, you cando it. You can speak. I've
always been like, but it

DeShawn Snow (04:31):
got You're filling yourself priest. Mhmm.

Skido Ortiz (04:33):
And so blessing somebody and speaking life into
somebody, it kept building meup. It was like Yeah. I was
like, oh. Yeah. He's like, yeah,keep doing it.
I want you to, in your worst,not in your good times, I want
That's you to how you're gonnaget it back. So me and God had a
plan, and that was the plan. Ijust spoke life into people,
motivated people, and didn'thave nothing. And all of sudden,
from nothing, those pocketsstarted growing

DeShawn Snow (04:54):
Because you were being obedient.

Skido Ortiz (04:55):
I was being obedient. Mhmm. And on that
note. Yeah. That was my worst.
How about you?

DeShawn Snow (04:59):
Because when you weak, he is strong.

Skido Ortiz (05:02):
Yeah. How about you now?

DeShawn Snow (05:03):
So, no, like, I went on a I can relate, because
I went on a season I called it aseason of self sabotage. Like,
cause I felt like, you know,after my divorce, you know, I
couldn't really I didn't likewho I was in that moment
because, you know, I had myfoundation, programs in the
schools and all this stuff, Ihad my own real estate company,
all this stuff, so I'm not likethis weak woman that can't get,

(05:27):
you know, move on. And so Ididn't like that. So I was like,
I just went on a season of selfsabotage because I was like, If
I'm a fall off, it's not gonnabe because of no man. Let me
fall off for some other reason.
So, but God's hand was alwaysover me. He always kept me
covered, because I could haveeasily veered My life could have
been totally different. I couldhave veered off. You know, was

(05:47):
drinking, then I didn't like thehangovers.

Skido Ortiz (05:49):
So you said you was what was you was drinking?

DeShawn Snow (05:51):
Numb in the pain. You know, when you were trying
to numb

Skido Ortiz (05:53):
the You was drinking, to numb the pain.
Yeah, yeah. And when did you getto your breaking point? When it
was just getting

DeShawn Snow (05:58):
After a while, you just get sick and tired of being
sick and tired. And so after youget sick and tired of being
sick, you're like, somethinggotta change. And then what I
started to because I was notwanting to deal with anything.
Like, my journey took a longtime, but it doesn't have to
take everyone a long time. Minetook a long time because I
didn't wanna face it, and Ididn't wanna do the work.

Skido Ortiz (06:15):
So face it meaning

DeShawn Snow (06:17):
Face your reality. Face where you are. Face your
part in it. Do the hard work.

Skido Ortiz (06:22):
That's why it took longer?

DeShawn Snow (06:23):
It took me longer, yeah, because it took me a long
time to get to that point. Ididn't get to that point right
away.

Skido Ortiz (06:28):
Gotcha.

DeShawn Snow (06:28):
So once I did, then you have to start looking
inward. I always say when thingshappen to you, it's not about
what happened to you, it'sabout, you know, it's not about
the thing that happened to you,it's about how you overcome it.
Right? So you start first withthinking about what was your
part in it. You turn it inward.
It's not about the blame gamebecause that's not helping you
grow. So you what's your part init? And then you start dealing

(06:52):
with those. Why did you do this?You know, you start you look in
you hold up the mirror, andsometimes you don't like what
you see.

Skido Ortiz (06:56):
So that that moment, I don't wanna go to the
moment it snapped. When you wasat your lowest and it just hit
rock, you know, nobody it wasdark. Tell him, go to that
moment. Share that.

DeShawn Snow (07:07):
I can't even remember the exact moment, but
it was just a matter of, like,I'm just sick and tired because
I'm better than this. I know I'mwho God called me to be. I'm not
sitting in no bed crying allday. That's not who I am. I just
got stuff to do.
And I know I deserve more. Iknow I deserve more. So you have
to do the work. Another thingtoo I wanna share too, like when
you're starting again, you haveto let go of your perception of

(07:29):
what you thought it was. Becauseat the end of the day, it
doesn't matter.
I have an example of And I'mswitching time frames, but my
youngest son, so the two oldersons moved out of state with my
ex. I let them go. Mean, hadprimary physical. We had joint

(07:50):
custody, I had primary physical.But I allowed the other two to
go, older two, because theywanted to, and he was very hands
on.
The youngest one was with me.But when he got to a certain
age, you know, he needed to bewith his father, so he went. So
we had a talk. I remember wewere in the hotel lobby, my ex
and I, and it was really ourfirst time really, like, having
a discussion. This was, like,years later, maybe I don't know

(08:11):
how many, like, Were seven stillyears

Skido Ortiz (08:12):
dealing with anger and mad when you're sitting in
that lobby? No. Well,

DeShawn Snow (08:18):
it came out, yes. It came out, I was You know,
this was years later. And so Butwe had to talk about my son.
And, so we were talking about acouple things. And what I
realized in our conversation isthat, like, he had one
perception of one thing, and itNot talking about the marriage,
but stuff like with the kids andthings like that, and I had a
completely differentperspective.

(08:39):
And so, no matter how much I wassaying my point, I could see
that he just don't get it orwasn't gonna get it. And just
like no matter how much he wassaying his point, I wasn't gonna

Skido Ortiz (08:49):
get No, everybody wasn't gonna get So

DeShawn Snow (08:50):
at that night, when I went up to the room, I
was like, you know, Lord, Ireleased this because I What am
I gonna do? Hold on to am Ibeing right or whatever? He
totally don't even see it theway I see it. So what was the
point of me holding on to allthis? You have to change your
perception.
You have to let it go. Itdoesn't matter.

Skido Ortiz (09:07):
So you was holding on to what?

DeShawn Snow (09:09):
Just like, for example, with the example with
the kids, you know, and I felthe was doing one thing, in which
he said

Skido Ortiz (09:15):
he And was not to I'm sorry, but

DeShawn Snow (09:21):
past that? My idea of what happened in the
situation, whatever situation wewas talking about. Like, felt
one way about the kids, I felthe was doing one thing and he
felt I was doing

Skido Ortiz (09:29):
one And there wasn't him on the court.

DeShawn Snow (09:30):
We wasn't on the We just saw things differently.

Skido Ortiz (09:32):
Oh, gotcha.

DeShawn Snow (09:33):
And us seeing things differently, it was in
that moment that I realized, alot of times we hold on, we have
these stories of why thingshappened, this and that. But at
the end of the day, just let itgo. Change your perspective.
That has nothing to do withanything. It Because it releases
you to move on.
It lets Freeze yourself. Itfrees you.

Skido Ortiz (09:50):
Yeah, it frees you.

DeShawn Snow (09:51):
So that was a pivotal, that was a big moment,
one of the many moments And inmy

Skido Ortiz (09:57):
look at you now. We look at us now. We on the show
talking, I mean, the deliveriesfrom all those things, you know,
where we at and how we keptfighting through everything.
Because there's always somethingat the end of the tunnel.

DeShawn Snow (10:08):
Did you have an moment? Is there one time that
you can think of in your manytimes of starting over where you
had to like, you know what, it'snot even that deep, let me let
it go. Or where you completelyhad to pivot and change your
mindset about a certain thing sothat you can flourish.

Skido Ortiz (10:24):
Well, I had to let that's what the part I was
talking about my moms. I had tolet the depression, all that go.
Because I was it was driving mecrazy. That you let when I ran,
I let everything go. That wasthe time because everything else
was keeping me bounded.

DeShawn Snow (10:38):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (10:39):
You feel what I'm saying?

DeShawn Snow (10:39):
Mhmm.

Skido Ortiz (10:40):
If you don't let it go, you're trapped. And I had to
just, like, yo, she gone, but Igot something to live for.

Kay Davis (10:47):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (10:47):
That's when I let her go. And then that was able
for me to start growing. Andchanging, it changed me in a
lot, too. And even how I'mhandling my kids, my attitude,
my, you know, the rough edgesthat build up through growing up
rough in the hood, you know, Ihad to, you know, be, you know,
just learn, I learned more aboutmyself letting it go. Yeah.

(11:08):
Breaking down, every time Ibroke down, which is nothing
wrong with crying, fellas. No,it's You know, saying that
sometimes it makes you thestrongest man in the world to
cry. You know, I wasn't raisedlike that, but when I finally
broke with my mother, God brokeme and made me better. So
breaking me was to make mebetter, not to break me. And I
had to realize that he broke meto make me whole and new.

(11:31):
Because he broke me,

DeShawn Snow (11:31):
like, still.

Skido Ortiz (11:32):
I cry at my moments still to this day. I'll cry by
myself. I do that a lot. And Ijust And it builds me up. It
ain't like I do because I misspeople.

DeShawn Snow (11:39):
It's a release.

Skido Ortiz (11:39):
Do love people. Yeah. So releasing is strength.

DeShawn Snow (11:42):
Do you have So, because I know you say you've
started over many times. So isthere a common thing that, you
know, each time you started overthat helped you?

Skido Ortiz (11:54):
Yeah.

DeShawn Snow (11:54):
Like a valuable lesson you took from this and
then you were able to utilizehere to start over again?

Skido Ortiz (11:58):
Can't trust everybody.

DeShawn Snow (12:01):
Okay. So not being so And

Skido Ortiz (12:02):
you're business. Because you think people when
you start something withbusiness, everybody's all jolly
and good.

DeShawn Snow (12:08):
Yeah.

Skido Ortiz (12:09):
But when that money start kicking in, people get
crazy and wicked. So now I hadto learn to handle that
paperwork, handle your business.People speak that loyalty in the
beginning. But when everythingstarts coming in, it's it's a
freaking problem.

DeShawn Snow (12:21):
Mhmm.

Skido Ortiz (12:21):
It's always a problem. Just handle your
business and people that ofwhich you're gonna respect
business. Business respectsbusiness.

DeShawn Snow (12:27):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (12:28):
It ain't nothing towards you. And if they get
defensive, that's manipulation.Like, why we got no. That's
business. You know what I'msaying?
That protects you and itprotects me. I trust too much.
When I give, I give abundantly.But some people ain't like you.
They're thinking of they haveother motives and things in
their head, and just gottaprotect yourself and your
family.

DeShawn Snow (12:48):
And then you find like when you give, you give
them because that's what youwanna do, not because you're
expecting them

Skido Ortiz (12:52):
No, to I wanna give for them to grow, and then I'll
do whatever and help. I lovehelping people. There's always
God put that in me and it beginsto dissonate me. But it's
disguised by the rough shitpeople get confused. And I think
they get confused is when you dothat bullshit with me and how I
handle you.
And that was wrong, because Idon't do that no more. But I
wasn't, oh, I see you in court.I don't know court. Yeah. As on

(13:15):
now, I don't know what that is.
I'm not going through lawyers toget to you. You took something
from me that took away from mykids. Now I gotta handle you.
You know what I'm saying? Notsaying that's wrong.
That's the only thing I knew.

DeShawn Snow (13:25):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (13:26):
Now I just got discernment on, I think let's
handle the paperwork. Let's dogood business.

DeShawn Snow (13:32):
So, when you're starting over, because you've
started over multiple times, howdo you recognize when it's time
to pivot? How do you recognize,like, when it's time to move on
and to try something else?

Skido Ortiz (13:43):
Just don't do the same thing you was doing before.

DeShawn Snow (13:45):
But even if you're trying something new, and that's
still not working.

Skido Ortiz (13:48):
Just keep moving. You can't there's always a
solution to everything. Youpeople just you can't never
stop. You just gotta keep going.That's all it is.
How would you do it? I mean, howwas when you started these
situations, I mean, me, it justkept

DeShawn Snow (14:02):
moving.

Skido Ortiz (14:02):
Me Motivating myself.

DeShawn Snow (14:03):
Me too. Because after a while, you're not
getting anywhere. So what's thepoint? You're wasting time.

Skido Ortiz (14:07):
Man.

DeShawn Snow (14:08):
So, I've had to pivot multiple times, all the
time. I try stuff because I feellike I have all these anointings
and these gifts. And I know it'smy purpose and I'm trying to do
it, but then sales are notcoming and people are not
calling, you know. And then it'slike, you're frustrated, like,
do you do? But you finally haveto just release it.
Like, this is the this year,2025, when I finally, like and I

(14:29):
surrender, you surrender all thetime as a process, right? You
put it down, you keep picking itup. But, you know, God will give
you a million chances to get itright. But this year, when I
told it, I just felt like now,like, things are just falling
into place naturally. But it'snot me forcing it.
I'm just open

Skido Ortiz (14:43):
That you forcing me for?

DeShawn Snow (14:45):
I was trying to force it. Was trying to get my
agenda. Was trying becausesometimes I have these gifts,
but maybe that's not the way Iwas doing it. It's not what God
had for me, You know? And thensometimes God will make people
unavailable because it's notwhat you're supposed to be doing
anyway.
But I will just keep trying tomake my point.

Skido Ortiz (15:03):
So, y'all believe you believe this? So, I always
tell people now, don't forcenothing.

DeShawn Snow (15:10):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (15:10):
Things don't rush nothing and don't force nothing.
Something always bad comes outof that. Facts. If it ain't
smooth and you don't have peaceabout it, don't try to squeeze
something that's not there.

DeShawn Snow (15:21):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (15:22):
That's good business. Yeah. Don't let nobody
rush you into stuff. If you feela certain way, trust your first
instinct.

DeShawn Snow (15:29):
And you have to trust that God has it worked out
for you. Because I think in thebeginning when I was forcing,
and a lot of people when theyforce, it's because they have
this scarcity mindset. They feellike they that has to be it
because there's nothing elsepopping off, so I gotta do it.
But you just gotta releasebecause if that's not it, then
it's okay. I mean, you know,because that was that's a lot of

(15:49):
wasted time again.

Skido Ortiz (15:51):
Man, there's I'm gonna ask you something. Mhmm.
And this is you can share thiswith me. People, when they
dealing with certain people, andthem other people ain't even
thinking about you, you'rethinking about them more than
they thinking about you.

Kay Davis (16:05):
Always fair.

Skido Ortiz (16:06):
I tell people, if they're not thinking about you,
you're consumed in shit thathe's not even or she ain't even
worrying about.

DeShawn Snow (16:14):
-Mm

Skido Ortiz (16:14):
-So you're stressed, your anxiety's up,
you're angry, you're depressed,you're going through all this
stuff, and that person that didall that to you ain't thinking
two things about you.

Kay Davis (16:25):
-Mm

Skido Ortiz (16:26):
-And that part, you should hit to yourself and go,
You know what? I gotta freemyself. Because that dude's on
the beach or she's on the beach,she ain't thinking about nothing
you going through. You sittingthere crying and whining. They
don't give a shit about none ofthat shit.

Kay Davis (16:39):
-They live a rough -And day in your

Skido Ortiz (16:40):
on that point is, when you what's that moment when
you go, enough is enough?

DeShawn Snow (16:46):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (16:46):
Have you ever had did that hit you like that? Have
you ever had one of those? Whenit's just like when you saw that
the other person wasn't even Didyou ever see did you see it?

DeShawn Snow (16:55):
Yeah. Well, when they not doing what they're
supposed to No,

Skido Ortiz (16:58):
did you see it like, woah.

DeShawn Snow (17:00):
No, sometimes you can't see it. -But you're in it.
You do see it. You're like, oh,wait a minute, this is I'm
better than this. You know, I'mbetter than this.
I don't have to sit and gothrough this. But I think, you
know, a lot of times we thinkthe best that's ever happened,
like, we can't happen again. Andso you feel like you always try
to recapture or you, youromanticize the memories because

(17:24):
you try to make it into what itwasn't. Does that make sense?

Skido Ortiz (17:28):
Yes. I get it. Yeah. And that's on that makes
sense on 10 steps ahead. Allthis emotions and feelings and
all of this.
Like, now, it's getting methinking this shit, you know,
just, wow. You know, sometimesyou gotta look back to see where
you at.

DeShawn Snow (17:44):
-That's right. -Right? Because sometimes you
forget. Sometimes But I'm a Iused to always, I always tell
people when you go throughstuff, just write it out. One,
it gets it out of you becauseyou can't let it stay bottled
up.
Yes. And then, two, you canwrite your emotions in real time
because one day that could beyour book. You know what I'm
saying? All that stuff. And thenif you're trying to write the
book later and you're trying toremember that feeling, but if
you can go back, I can go backto old journals and read it and

(18:06):
be like, wow.
You know, and then you couldjust be amazed by how much
you've grown and how God movedin your life. So I think it's
important to, like, write itout, but then you can't stay
stuck in a spot where you haveto be able to change and to
pivot because what happens, youit's so much more on the other

(18:28):
side. You have to be you can'tlose hope. I guess I wanna say,
did you ever get to a chanceplace where

Skido Ortiz (18:33):
Yeah, you lost it's close. But it's on that. But you
know what? I wanted to ask yousomething because I was watching
you on the Nene Mhmm. Nick Lakeshow.
Nene Leakes. Mhmm. Nene Nick.Nene Leeks. Leeks.
Nene. Leakes. I love Nene. Wehad But get on the when she said
she was checking on you Yeah.And you were shut down.

DeShawn Snow (18:51):
Mhmm.

Skido Ortiz (18:51):
But I was, like, watching. Was, yo, she didn't
even care about the show and allyou know, what she was on. She
was very concerned. I was Inever knew that, you know

DeShawn Snow (19:01):
That's why wanted to say that on public.

Skido Ortiz (19:03):
When you said that, you said thank you for doing
that, that was real to me. I waslike, yo, Dee, that's hot.
Because she didn't have to doall of that. She did. And then
you acknowledged that and saidthat on the show.
I thought that was dope.

DeShawn Snow (19:15):
That was important to me because a lot of people,
you know, they say whatever theysay about her.

Skido Ortiz (19:19):
Look at your phone when you're at your darkest
moments and see who's on thosetexts. That's when you know
who's real, y'all. Look at yourphone when you come out that
dark and you go, and just checkall the messages, and the one
that's on there the most got alot of love for you. I mean,
that's how I would say it, youknow. I don't know.
That's what these damn texts isall about, phone calls.

DeShawn Snow (19:38):
It's hard for your circle, because when you're in
the pit, you know what I'msaying, they wanna get in there
with you, but they wanna pullyou out. And another thing, when
you're going through something,even for people, if you have
somebody that you love, you cantalk to them till they're blue
in the face. Until they're ableto receive it, they're not gonna
do it, but you cannot get mad atthem and you can't write them

(19:59):
off. Just be there becauseeventually they will wake up.
Eventually, like, with me, youknow, people could say stuff to
me till they're blue in theface, but if I wasn't ready, I
wasn't ready.
But once I got ready, then ifyou're still there, and it's not
like I told you so, whatever,you're just there genuinely and
you're there to help guide themout of the thing, that's the
best advice I can say, becausedon't write them off, know, and

(20:21):
you can't make you can still sayit because they listening, they
remember it, but you can't makethem do it faster than they're
able to.

Skido Ortiz (20:30):
You can't and I receive that. See, I'm learning
just listening to you, I'm like,yeah, that's some you know, I I
feel like my life is a book.-You know, life is a book.

DeShawn Snow (20:42):
-Exactly.

Skido Ortiz (20:42):
That's why she said write it down.

DeShawn Snow (20:44):
-Write it down because of turn

Skido Ortiz (20:45):
a negative into a positive.

DeShawn Snow (20:46):
Can turn that thing into a course. Make that a
book. You can make it a light,you know, script. You know, God
pain you never let the pain goto waste. There's no point in
that.
You went through too much stuffto let it go to waste.

Skido Ortiz (20:59):
It's good to hold on to some pain that drives you.
You know, not pain to devastateyou, but just keeping an edge on
you, just to you know, it'sright there on your shoulder.
You know what you came through.You can't where you came from.

DeShawn Snow (21:12):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (21:12):
Just not to make it to know that. Listen, see where
you came from?

DeShawn Snow (21:16):
I don't need to be reminded.

Skido Ortiz (21:17):
This could be not reminded in a bad way.

Kay Davis (21:19):
Yeah, yeah.

Skido Ortiz (21:19):
Reminded on something. I came through this.

DeShawn Snow (21:21):
Well, that's why you have

Skido Ortiz (21:22):
a scar. Like to be comfortable.

DeShawn Snow (21:23):
You know I'm saying? Scar is like So
sometimes scar if you I was getuncomfortable.

Skido Ortiz (21:26):
think me making myself uncomfortable has made me
successful. Right. Meaning, I'mnever forgetting where I came
from and who I who I am.

DeShawn Snow (21:36):
Right.

Skido Ortiz (21:36):
I don't care how much money, where I came from
and who I am. Where I came fromis what made me who I am. Mhmm.
And those you gotta see from thebeginning to where you are. You
can't get lost in the middle.
That's what keep you structured.That will keep you stable.

DeShawn Snow (21:51):
Will keep

Skido Ortiz (21:51):
you real. That's what keeps me. I don't know what
keeps everybody else. Becausepeople will start here and
forget everything in the middle.And then when they get there,
forget they they get so bad,they forget where they came.
And that's an old saying, butbecause they try to forget
things, but those things is theones that made them who they
are.

DeShawn Snow (22:07):
Well, life is about the journey. It's not
about the destination. Yeah.It's how all the growth and
stuff happens in the journey,and it's purposeful.

Skido Ortiz (22:14):
Yeah.

DeShawn Snow (22:15):
It's purposeful. It's what needs to be worked out
in you so that you can be readyfor what he really has in store
for you.

Skido Ortiz (22:21):
Yeah. You're doing some doctor stuff. Doing on
today, man. You've been ontoday. I like that receiving
that in my

DeShawn Snow (22:29):
spirit. Amen. Amen.

Skido Ortiz (22:32):
Yo, I'm loving I've been loving this show. We've
been keeping it real, and I likethe way we just interact. And
our whole journey on TestEpisode Heads is to help the
next. Right. If somebody getssomething out of it, we're not
holding nothing back.
We're sharing our own personallives. And I know everybody sees
us, you know, evolving in theseshows, and now y'all gonna y'all

(22:54):
about to see some guests comingon. You know, we was getting
warmed up, But we just wanted toshow who we was.

DeShawn Snow (23:00):
Right. And it's about taking life's challenges
and making strategic movesAbsolutely. With Chestnut
checkers.

Skido Ortiz (23:07):
Chestnut checkers. Stop playing with me. I'm sorry.
I'm getting a little excited.Keep my hands Anyway.
Out of the

DeShawn Snow (23:13):
Alright, everyone. But,

Skido Ortiz (23:15):
everyone, I'm so excited. You know, thank you
today. Shawn, you've been on.You was you was lightening up
today. You was sharp today.

DeShawn Snow (23:22):
Thank you.

Skido Ortiz (23:22):
And then I I had to listen a lot. You know, I was
like, wow. I was receivingeverything you were saying.

DeShawn Snow (23:26):
Thank you. Thank you. You always give us nuggets.
You were always, like, talkingthis sense into me.

Skido Ortiz (23:32):
Are you looking forward to you know, this is
like we're just our last twoepisodes. Now we're gonna start
having guests on. It's gonna beon in part. It's gonna be
exciting. What you feel aboutthat?

DeShawn Snow (23:40):
I'm excited. I'm excited. Yeah. Because I feel
like everybody has a journey,and, you know, we're not gonna
just talk about the surfacestuff, I you

Skido Ortiz (23:48):
love it. But I'm here at Skeeto on 10 Steps
Ahead. And I know you've beenseeing me do these cards because
the show and made

DeShawn Snow (23:55):
sure that

Skido Ortiz (23:55):
everything was on point. You see how I'm
promoting? Yes. See, sister, atand

DeShawn Snow (24:00):
get the merch.

Skido Ortiz (24:01):
You get the merch. Getting all of that. That's just
the way I'm doing this because Iwas proud what my sister did.
She put it all together. Ittakes, you know, teamwork, makes
the dream work.
You know what I'm saying?

DeShawn Snow (24:10):
All right. So let's keep the conversation
going. I got baby sis coming upfor her segment. Let's talk
about it.

Skido Ortiz (24:15):
I love it, man.

DeShawn Snow (24:19):
Hey, guys. Welcome back to 10 Steps Ahead. I have
baby sis, Kay, in the building.What

Kay Davis (24:24):
up, doe?

DeShawn Snow (24:25):
Let's talk about it.

Skido Ortiz (24:26):
Let's talk about

Kay Davis (24:27):
it. Talk about it. Hey, Ski Do. How are you?

DeShawn Snow (24:32):
Alright. Alright.

Kay Davis (24:33):
Sis, how you doing?

DeShawn Snow (24:35):
I'm well.

Kay Davis (24:36):
Okay, great. Okay. Y'all ready? Yes. Because I just
got a couple of things.
These questions, by the way,they're not on the cards. They
just come off the top of myhead. Let's be clear about that.
So the first question I have is,do you guys think that people
abuse their ability to have aplatform nowadays when you look
at the reflection of society?You know, like back in the day,

(24:59):
it wasn't a platform, it waswhere you grew up and who you
grew up around and things likethat.
But now you got influencers thatjust become influencers because
they in the camera all day. Notsaying they don't have
substance, but like, do youthink some of those people,
like, abuse their platform?

DeShawn Snow (25:17):
Like not using it for To help

Kay Davis (25:19):
For good purposes, because there's so much chaos,
like And then starting with thequote unquote YNs and things
like that, you know what I mean?Like, knowing all the mental
issues and things that we havegoing on, do you think some
people abuse their platform?

DeShawn Snow (25:33):
I think they're irresponsible.

Kay Davis (25:36):
With the platform.

DeShawn Snow (25:36):
You know, so is that the same as abuse, you
know? Yes. Because I think a lotof times people don't realize
the impact they have or theinfluence they have.

Kay Davis (25:43):
Right.

DeShawn Snow (25:44):
And so they're on there talking reckless. But they
themselves might just bereckless and don't know any
better. Yeah.

Skido Ortiz (25:49):
That's They think because they got a camera, they
take advantage of that. And theyfront out there like they're
really doing something. I don'tI do see a lot of that.

Kay Davis (25:58):
Okay.

Skido Ortiz (25:59):
They do take advantage of that. And it's
flooded out there with that. Noteverybody with a camera is doing
something.

Kay Davis (26:04):
Right. And it's not always the artist. Like, you
know, our influencers used tobe, like, teachers, church folks
and things like that. Hey,church. Come on now.
Amen. Church on the move. Okay.

DeShawn Snow (26:15):
So the next question,

Kay Davis (26:18):
I was just wondering about starting over. How do you
feel about starting over? Like,when you come from or when
you're going through certainthings, and not so much a trauma
to where it has to be amarriage, just it could be a
failed project at a job and yougot discouraged, or somebody
could fail nursing school andhave to start over and things

(26:38):
like that. Like, what motivatesyou to keep going when you start
over, when you're starting Ithink the

DeShawn Snow (26:43):
first thing is mindset. You have to know that
some because for the longest, Iwould, a closed door, I would
try to beat that thing down. Andsometimes a closed door is
God's, you know man's rejectionis God's protection. So I've
since learned that, you know, ifit's that's just not for me at
this moment.

Kay Davis (27:01):
Come on.

DeShawn Snow (27:01):
I don't take any, you know, offense to it. I just
redirect myself. So if you havethat mindset, like because
there's no such thing asfailure. Success is just
falling, failing forward, right?And so, if you have that
mindset, not like it's anegative, you focus on what you
learned from it, so that's apositive.
That's something, you know, thatyou can save yourself time on

(27:22):
the next time around. So if youdon't look at it as a negative,
and you know that, okay, that'sjust not what God has for me at
this moment, then it's easierfor you to pivot and do whatever
you need to do. Does that

Skido Ortiz (27:33):
make sense?

Kay Davis (27:34):
Yeah, you say not to look at the negative. I look at
it like negativity turns intomotivation for me. You tell me I
can't do it, I'm a do ittenfold, right? So, that's some
people.

Skido Ortiz (27:46):
Everybody's different. Yeah. And on that,
and it is mindset to me. So whenI've lost and started over
plenty of times. But then whenyou get to that bottom, just
know that it's not over.

DeShawn Snow (27:58):
That's right. Can only

Skido Ortiz (27:59):
go up. Yeah, don't keep, because that's when
depression and all that thinghit. Just shake it off. You live
in, you breathe in, and there'salways a solution. And just
trust yourself.
You know what I'm saying? Youhave your you've given yourself
a couple of days, and shake thatshit off, and start that, that,
what got you to the top beforeyou lost it, remember that. It's

(28:20):
all mindset. And just rememberthat hustle and go right back
into that same hustle.

DeShawn Snow (28:24):
Right. And then also is too, because like one of
the things, and I'll just I'mjust using I mean, I had other
failures besides my marriage orwhatever, but for the longest I
thought, like, oh, my life isover. But that's limiting God.
Like and I had the breakthroughfor me was when I realized, you
know, God had a plan for mebefore I was even formed in my

(28:44):
mother's womb, before I met myex husband, before all of that.
So just because he's not in thepicture, it has nothing to do
with You God's plan for

Kay Davis (28:52):
know, God failed. It just ended.

DeShawn Snow (28:54):
It just Okay.

Kay Davis (28:55):
It was time for it

Skido Ortiz (28:56):
to end, that's I'm telling you.

Kay Davis (28:58):
I had that going.

DeShawn Snow (28:59):
But, yes, but I'm just saying, so when you look at
it like, you know, it doesn'tdefine anything. You know what
I'm saying? God's plan for youis still God's plan

Skido Ortiz (29:08):
for you. Keep it moving. Keep going. Don't give
up on nothing. It's like

DeShawn Snow (29:13):
And don't get discouraged.

Skido Ortiz (29:14):
We all go through things. Just stay the course.
And if you don't believe, tapyour own

Kay Davis (29:21):
Own cheerleader.

Skido Ortiz (29:22):
Because you be don't and here's the thing. I
gotta say this. Don't look forother people to build you up.

Kay Davis (29:27):
That's right.

Skido Ortiz (29:27):
That's the worst thing you could do. You only
could build yourself up. Youunderstand? Because the way they
build you up might make youcrash worse than how

DeShawn Snow (29:37):
you slept. Because what

Kay Davis (29:37):
they say, crabs in a bucket. Lot of people like you
to stay.

Skido Ortiz (29:40):
They'll be building you up to

DeShawn Snow (29:41):
set you up

Skido Ortiz (29:43):
the full.

Kay Davis (29:44):
Long as you don't go farther than them.

Skido Ortiz (29:46):
That's real. Yeah.

DeShawn Snow (29:47):
Okay. And try not to be around those kind of
people, though.

Kay Davis (29:50):
They everywhere, though. They everywhere. Level
coming on, different disguises.

Skido Ortiz (29:53):
Stop being people pleasers.

Kay Davis (29:55):
Yeah.

Skido Ortiz (29:55):
That shit gets you in a lot of trouble too, and
with bad friends too. You feellike you need a crowd or you
need I need somebody around you.

DeShawn Snow (30:02):
Validation, What

Skido Ortiz (30:03):
you need is motivation to know who you are
as a You keep thinking you needpeople. People going through
their own problems, and thenthey don't have the good
attention for you. So startbeing people pleasing and be
yourself. Be love yourself. Andthat's that's gonna get you even
further in life and get you,when you lose everything, get
you up faster.

Kay Davis (30:22):
Yeah. True.

DeShawn Snow (30:23):
Absolutely. And then a lot of that is too is
what is you was stuff you'rejust built for it. Like, you're
not built to break.

Skido Ortiz (30:31):
Yeah. You know how that go.

DeShawn Snow (30:33):
Yeah. Yeah.

Skido Ortiz (30:34):
D? If we in the double D? Okay. I love these
questions. Yeah.

Kay Davis (30:38):
Oh, okay. I got one more. Let's see.

Skido Ortiz (30:41):
Bring it.

Kay Davis (30:42):
Name one thing in your childhood that you think
you carried today that affectsyou, whether it's you making
wrong decisions or right ones.Name one thing in your childhood
that you think affects you.That's a great

Skido Ortiz (30:55):
question. Me,

Kay Davis (30:58):
I think it could be how we was raised. Spoiled? No.
I know you ain't talking.

Skido Ortiz (31:05):
Was walking in hospital. How you know it What?
Walking in a circle. Everybodygot their own different thing.
It is?

Kay Davis (31:12):
Okay. Maybe I wasn't, but I was not spoiled.

DeShawn Snow (31:14):
I like, Okay.

Skido Ortiz (31:16):
Was asking that question.

Kay Davis (31:17):
It felt like it I was always yeah. I was not spoiled.
She was spoiled.

Skido Ortiz (31:23):
Okay. Okay. So what what what what's the quest the
question?

Kay Davis (31:26):
Okay. One thing from your childhood. I just had to
get that out because she she putit out there.

DeShawn Snow (31:31):
Oh, what is your way? What is

Skido Ortiz (31:32):
your one thing?

Kay Davis (31:33):
It was probably how we grew up. Things like we
didn't have no Cosby Showlifestyle. You know what I'm
saying? But if peep some people,if they were in our situation,
they probably wouldn't have tookit the way that we did. Again,
we took negativity and turned itinto motivation, hence makes us
where we at today.
You know what I'm saying? A lotof people, I feel like if I put

(31:53):
the shoes on your feet and Ilaced them, you still couldn't
walk in them. You know what I'msaying? So it that's what I
take, how What we grow you take

DeShawn Snow (32:02):
from One Thing from your childhood.

Skido Ortiz (32:04):
I'm a

DeShawn Snow (32:05):
think on it. We go to ski.

Skido Ortiz (32:07):
Oh, thing that

DeShawn Snow (32:08):
Yes, I don't know. It's a lot.

Kay Davis (32:11):
There's that.

DeShawn Snow (32:13):
You might help me with Let's see what Skeetup has
to say.

Skido Ortiz (32:16):
I don't know. My pride.

Kay Davis (32:17):
The pride? Did something happen to make you
realize that you moving

Skido Ortiz (32:21):
or Well, when I was a kid, when I from the when I
knew I was by myself.

Kay Davis (32:27):
Okay.

Skido Ortiz (32:27):
That's so the pride helped me, be strong. I'm not
saying but it but it neverturned off. It got stronger. So
but because of the situationsdealing with being living in
everybody's house, I wasn't everstable. My mom's on drugs and
all that.
So I had to, as a young man, hadto become older than I was. So

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that pride kept me, but it alsomessed up a lot of things,
future. So now I balance torelax. So if you deal with a lot
of pride, you gotta chip away atthat shit because that could be
a disaster. Downfall.

Kay Davis (33:00):
Yeah, for sure.

DeShawn Snow (33:02):
And then for me, give me some options.

Skido Ortiz (33:06):
-No, she can't give any options on

DeShawn Snow (33:07):
you. -ask me the question again. Have to be Girl,
girl. That I had grow up withthat I have with me today. My
determination?

Kay Davis (33:15):
-No, girl.

DeShawn Snow (33:15):
-Oh. -No, but -No. Possible voice would be
something bad. Doesn't have

Kay Davis (33:21):
to be something bad, but just Like, something in your
hence, why do you shut down? Iknow you spoke about that on
another episode.

DeShawn Snow (33:27):
Oh, do I shut down?

Kay Davis (33:28):
No, was saying.

DeShawn Snow (33:29):
I do shut down.

Kay Davis (33:30):
Mhmm.

DeShawn Snow (33:30):
Oh, maybe from my childhood I had to shut Yeah.

Skido Ortiz (33:33):
Something.

Kay Davis (33:34):
Yeah. She compromised Is a

Skido Ortiz (33:36):
your brain blocked? Got to therapy another show we
could do. I will

DeShawn Snow (33:41):
try to EDMR. No. She's a

Kay Davis (33:45):
to lot a of Falling on doctors. Sometimes it comes
across it could come acrosscold. Like, because she bottles
it up, like, just puts it to theside.

DeShawn Snow (33:57):
I just feel like you know it.

Skido Ortiz (33:58):
So you know what?

DeShawn Snow (33:59):
I'd be like, oh, okay.

Skido Ortiz (33:59):
Let's get a doctor to help all of us. Yeah. Because
something's blocked up there.No, And then something and then
I just got unblocked. You knowwhat I'm saying?
I was blocked out for a minuteor I'm just telling y'all

DeShawn Snow (34:09):
how Oh, to I didn't block you. So But no, I
mean, we didn't grow up. I mean,we have these circuit defense
mechanisms, you know what I'msaying? We have that. But then
sometimes, though, that doesn'tserve us in the current moment.
Right. So I'm

Skido Ortiz (34:24):
I don't think

DeShawn Snow (34:25):
on that. It's probably some stuff that I still
am using tools that is notserving me in this moment.

Kay Davis (34:31):
Right. Exactly.

DeShawn Snow (34:32):
Mhmm. Such

Skido Ortiz (34:32):
as Well,

Kay Davis (34:33):
because people tend to build fences. Right?

DeShawn Snow (34:36):
Oh, have a fence.

Kay Davis (34:36):
That's a coping mechanism. You tend But there
are unhealthy fences because itdoesn't help you connect with
the next person. It just helpsyou think you internalize what's
going on, and somebody'ssupposed to put up with how you
respond. Yeah. But I'm open.
You're not. Open to what? I'mopen

DeShawn Snow (34:56):
to the feeling

Skido Ortiz (34:58):
going on in here. Dude, like,

DeShawn Snow (35:00):
I'm open to the possibility I'm not shut shut
down.

Kay Davis (35:03):
You're not. Mm-mm. So okay.

Skido Ortiz (35:06):
Okay. So let me ask y'all something. Gotta intervene
Go ahead. Nobody knows y'allbetter than y'all growing up in
the

Kay Davis (35:13):
same house.

Skido Ortiz (35:14):
You share

Kay Davis (35:15):
your same bed.

Skido Ortiz (35:16):
So sometimes you got she's been watching you, and
you've been watching her. Ain'tnobody outside this world would
know her better than you. Soit's good to accept what she's
saying because she's lookingfrom the outside, not to make
you bottle up to go, they loveyou, and they're looking at you
going, these are the issues, notto condemn you, to make you

(35:36):
better. And ain't nobody outsideknow it better than the ones you
grew up with.

DeShawn Snow (35:40):
That's facts. That's facts. I received that.

Kay Davis (35:42):
But you know that. I'm not No,

Skido Ortiz (35:44):
I understand.

DeShawn Snow (35:45):
But I want to learn.

Kay Davis (35:47):
Do you?

DeShawn Snow (35:48):
Yes. She do. Would wanna be a better person.

Kay Davis (35:51):
She knows. Because that other episode, he talked
about you wanna what did yousay? You wanna practice. You
don't have to who you gonnapractice on? You can start by
just practicing how you interactwith people.
That would help.

Skido Ortiz (36:02):
That's good.

Kay Davis (36:02):
Oh, whether it's a male or a female. You just

Skido Ortiz (36:05):
I think

DeShawn Snow (36:05):
I interact fine, though.

Skido Ortiz (36:07):
Oh, Yes.

DeShawn Snow (36:08):
Don't we interact?

Skido Ortiz (36:09):
No. You can't. You're working on yourself.

DeShawn Snow (36:12):
I'm working on myself.

Skido Ortiz (36:13):
That's the word. It's a work in progress. You get
what I'm saying?

DeShawn Snow (36:17):
Yes.

Skido Ortiz (36:17):
And we all are work in progress.

DeShawn Snow (36:19):
We work in progress. So you can't say

Skido Ortiz (36:21):
I'm okay. You're not

DeShawn Snow (36:21):
a No. No

Skido Ortiz (36:22):
one's We're ever always working. Yeah. I agree
with that?

DeShawn Snow (36:25):
I agree.

Kay Davis (36:26):
I agree.

DeShawn Snow (36:26):
I'm a work in progress.

Kay Davis (36:28):
Growth is always It's the evolution. Yeah. But with
elevating comes elimination andisolation too. So probably gotta

Skido Ortiz (36:36):
pop up. Isolation.

DeShawn Snow (36:37):
You know, love to elevate. Twistle, wellness
brand. Oh, Evolve and elevate.What did say? Wellness?
Brand.

Skido Ortiz (36:48):
Oh, the brand. Yes, please. But that all the weights
in the world ain't gonna helpall that.

DeShawn Snow (36:52):
Hello.

Skido Ortiz (36:52):
That's I lift all the weights.

Kay Davis (36:54):
Hey, lift them if

DeShawn Snow (36:54):
you're carrying them. Don't know. You can't How
lift them if you're carrying

Skido Ortiz (36:58):
the hell you act towards people? Lift weights,
still act crazy when I leave thegym. Yeah. That's not healing.
That's just that's just somaking you feel better.
But mentally, healing's insideyour soul and spirit and
receiving from people that loveyou. Absolutely. If you can't
receive, then you're gonna hit ahard you're gonna keep hitting
walls.

DeShawn Snow (37:17):
You'll never get because

Kay Davis (37:18):
you don't have yes men. Like, I'm not a yes I she'd
know that off top. Don't She'd

DeShawn Snow (37:22):
know know

Skido Ortiz (37:23):
Oh, yeah. Oh,

Kay Davis (37:24):
yeah. Will But I don't surround myself

DeShawn Snow (37:27):
with yes men. Oh.

Skido Ortiz (37:28):
No, you don't know what yes Not anymore. No, no,
stop. Stop.

DeShawn Snow (37:32):
Coco, come on

Skido Ortiz (37:33):
with it.

DeShawn Snow (37:33):
Because, honey, nobody telling me yes. And
nobody telling me yes.

Skido Ortiz (37:38):
Yes, Chunky, that's so good. You think a yes
person's gonna tell you they'rea person. Don't tell you they're
a yes person. Correct. They justdon't even They know just bump
you up and laugh at you all.

Kay Davis (37:49):
And keep you with it.

Skido Ortiz (37:50):
And it'd be bullshit. Nobody knows what a
yes person People that alwaysagree. The truth is when The
truth is when you don't like tohear

Kay Davis (37:57):
Christianity. The ones I really care about.

Skido Ortiz (37:59):
Those are the ones, you know Some people don't like
it because they like to bestroked. They like to be comf
They don't like to beuncomfortable. And when we
uncomfortable, we act, we shutdown. We don't like we don't
wanna hear it because ittriggers shit in us. To be real,
to heal, is let it trigger youto heal.
That's the way to go through theprocess. That's what don't wanna

(38:20):
go through. That's why we shouldgetting doctors here. We're have
doctors coming on here.

Kay Davis (38:24):
You also gotta listen.

Skido Ortiz (38:25):
Right? That's Yes. Receive.

Kay Davis (38:27):
He said that that was the one thing you had to do with
the man, and you just went rightover it. So,

DeShawn Snow (38:32):
like, did you say that?

Skido Ortiz (38:33):
I don't know what I'm saying. Sometimes I

DeShawn Snow (38:35):
just know. I will

Skido Ortiz (38:37):
just trust say what I say for my own.

DeShawn Snow (38:38):
God sent me a man. I am gonna be listening. I'm a
be all ears.

Skido Ortiz (38:41):
Oh, Woah. Time out. Time out. Gotta be straight
before you get the man. Yougotta listen now because you
gotta work on it now before Godsend I mean, I'm not talking to
God, but I will want you rightbefore you came into my life.
True. You know what I'm saying?Because you can't come with that
mess. Especially when I'm youknow, you reach a certain age

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where you good, you're like,nah, I wanna try, I wanna enjoy
myself. But by that time, Ithink you're gonna be good.

DeShawn Snow (39:08):
Okay.

Skido Ortiz (39:10):
That's what

Kay Davis (39:10):
we're Not always right, but because you don't
want nobody perfect.

DeShawn Snow (39:13):
Yeah. No one's perfect. No one's perfect

Skido Ortiz (39:15):
for Oh my

DeShawn Snow (39:16):
all off. Alright. Well, this was a very lively
discussion. Thank She was at thedoctor's Let's talk about it.

Kay Davis (39:24):
Let's about Let's talk

Skido Ortiz (39:25):
Let's about it with Kay. I love that. When she gets
on this show, brings a differentlight, and I love it, man.
Respect I it, man.

Kay Davis (39:31):
Thank you.

Skido Ortiz (39:32):
God bless you.

DeShawn Snow (39:33):
Thank you. But thank you everyone for tuning in
for this episode of 10 StepsAhead. Love and lies.

Skido Ortiz (39:37):
Let's go.