May 6, 2025 • 41 mins
Welcome to the premier episode of "Ten Steps Ahead!" Join hosts DeShawn and Skido as they dive deep into their personal journeys of growth, resilience, and transformation. In this candid conversation, DeShawn opens up about her time on reality television, the challenges of marriage, and how she navigated her way through the dark moments to emerge stronger. Skido shares his own experiences growing up in New York, battling personal demons, and discovering his purpose through faith. Together, they explore the importance of authenticity, the pitfalls of ambition, and the power of self-discovery. This episode is all about keeping it real, sharing valuable lessons, and encouraging listeners to embrace their own journeys. Tune in and take the first step alongside them!
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Skido (00:22):
Dee, what up?
DeShawn (00:23):
What's up, Skido?
Skido (00:24):
Man, Ten Steps Ahead, the new podcast show.
DeShawn (00:29):
Yes. Welcome everyone to our podcast, 10 Steps Ahead
Oh my with my homeboy Skeeto.
Skido (00:34):
And DeShawn. We out here keeping it doing what we're
gonna do. I love it. You'relooking beautiful today.
DeShawn (00:40):
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Skido (00:41):
You know, you people got you all
DeShawn (00:43):
Well, you know
Skido (00:44):
fly.
DeShawn (00:44):
You know? Taste of spillage. So, you know, I was
saying the other day, you know,because we talk all the time on
Skido (00:51):
the phone
DeShawn (00:51):
and we just have great conversations.
Skido (00:53):
Yes. Yes.
DeShawn (00:54):
I was like, yeah, let's just let's just film it. Let's,
you know, do a podcast becausethe because you're always, like,
putting me on stuff and I'mputting you on stuff, so I
thought that was a great idea,and that's how this all came
about.
Skido (01:07):
Yes. It was it was so natural, and then when we was
talking about it, I mean, peoplearound us was cracking up. It
was it was hilarious. I'm like,it was so funny. And they're
like, yo, this thing might work.
And you came up and called me.You know, I'm off balance. So
but at the end of the day, wespeak real things about you've
been in the industry. I've beenin the industry, and I think we
need to bring somethingdifferent.
DeShawn (01:28):
Absolutely.
Skido (01:29):
And I agreed, and we get along. You like a sister to me,
and it's like, yo, whatever youneed, let's do it.
DeShawn (01:34):
Absolutely.
Skido (01:34):
You know? And and you want your, you know, your own
your own new thing, you know?
DeShawn (01:39):
Yes. Yes. Yes. We'll get into that.
Skido (01:41):
You know, looking fabulous,
DeShawn (01:43):
but go ahead. Thank you. It's been a journey.
Skido (01:44):
Yeah. It's been a journey.
DeShawn (01:46):
Yeah. It's been a journey for sure.
Skido (01:47):
Yeah. For sure. Tell them talk about it.
DeShawn (01:49):
What's the And we just gonna jump on into it? Like
that.
Skido (01:52):
Know me. Wheel me in, y'all. Wheel me in. It's our
first episode, so we really, youknow, you're gonna see a little
back and forth, but go ahead.
DeShawn (01:59):
Okay. So most people remember me from original Real
Housewives of Atlanta castmember. And so after the show, I
got divorced. Oh, And thenbecause the show pretty much
featured, you know, my marriageand my kids. And so then I just
kinda went you know, I had totake some time off to get myself
(02:20):
together.
Was kinda a hot mess. So it'sbeen a journey, but I'm on the
other side now.
Skido (02:26):
Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. What other side?
DeShawn (02:28):
Of the journey, of
Skido (02:29):
the Did people get dark and get darker?
DeShawn (02:31):
Of the valley. You just I was down in the pit. Okay. So
I had some dark then darkermoments.
Skido (02:36):
Okay.
DeShawn (02:36):
But but I'm I'm I'm out of it now.
Skido (02:39):
That's what's up.
DeShawn (02:40):
But I'm still evolving, still growing.
Skido (02:42):
Okay.
DeShawn (02:43):
You know, it's different phases of it.
Skido (02:44):
I love it. I like that. I like all that, you know, we all
fall, we all go through things,but the things get off, gotta
get up, you gotta keep going.
DeShawn (02:52):
You know what I'm saying?
Skido (02:53):
Yep. We can, but
DeShawn (02:54):
don't break.
Skido (02:55):
Depression is crazy. Mental illness is crazy out
here. You know, it's just a lotof people going through, you
know, and even though he'sbehind the camera, real life
hits.
DeShawn (03:04):
It hits.
Skido (03:05):
You know I'm saying?
DeShawn (03:06):
And I'm really glad that it hit off a camera. Mhmm.
Because I know I don't know Imean, the person I am now
probably could have handled it,but the person I was then could
not because I would have wantedto try to have it look a certain
way. Mhmm. And it's hard to tryto make something look like
something that's not.
Skido (03:25):
Gotcha.
DeShawn (03:26):
You know
Skido (03:26):
what mean? Yeah.
DeShawn (03:27):
So I'm I'm I'm fortunate that it did not go
through
Skido (03:30):
Mhmm.
DeShawn (03:30):
You know, go happen on camera. So I think I really do
think that was Scott's timingand provision and all of that.
Skido (03:37):
I see. You know I don't get caught, I know about
everything.
DeShawn (03:39):
Mhmm.
Skido (03:40):
And then we I don't get to people's, you know, you don't
know what they're going through,people are jumping people's
business, but anything thatmesses with family and your
household is always serious.Yeah. You know, sometimes the
the thing of television andHollywood in this industry,
people could get lost and caughtup. Yeah. And I've seen that
being in my world, you know, youknow me.
You know, I've been aconsultant. I started off doing
(04:02):
things from back in the days tohelping people in the industry,
you know, being being part of alot of things from, you know,
and a couple of friends bringingme in the game and showing me
the game, and it it was cool. II I I loved it, but I didn't
like it.
DeShawn (04:20):
Well, let's tell a little so do a brief
introduction. Tell a little bitabout you. So your name is
Mosquito. He's from New York.
Skido (04:26):
From New York. And Grew up Lower East. Have
DeShawn (04:28):
four regions.
Skido (04:29):
Half black. Best of both worlds.
DeShawn (04:31):
Best of both worlds.
Skido (04:32):
You know I'm saying? And so big family in New York. Mhmm.
And so love being on the LowEast Side, Yonkers. You know
what I'm saying?
I moved around a lot where Ilived with all my family
members. Yeah. You know, moms,you know, drugs and all that
stuff, but I had a good familyand a lot of cousins.
DeShawn (04:51):
Okay.
Skido (04:51):
So it kept me grounded. Always been the same person, you
know, guys just built different,you know, but I but through this
whole journey, which you'll seethrough other episodes, it's
been who who I am today. It mademe who I am today. Absolutely.
So and and I'm glad that if Icould do it over again
DeShawn (05:07):
Mhmm.
Skido (05:08):
I would do it over again because
DeShawn (05:10):
Without changing anything?
Skido (05:11):
Without changing anything because when I look, I'm
DeShawn (05:15):
fat. Right.
Skido (05:16):
Right. So if I had to do all that to be this
DeShawn (05:19):
It's worth it.
Skido (05:19):
It was worth it.
DeShawn (05:20):
Mhmm.
Skido (05:20):
For sure. Yeah. So and with that note and and and
knowing how God been moved, youknow, changed my life, that's
later. But just the fact how Ilearned the game Mhmm. Is just
going through all the rough.
DeShawn (05:32):
So, tell me more about the rough. So, like, when you
say you've from the streets.
Skido (05:36):
Yeah. But that oh, yes. Well, that's another thing.
DeShawn (05:39):
You mean from the streets?
Skido (05:41):
We can't but being for the streets is not like I'm in
the streets, I just grew
DeShawn (05:45):
up Okay. Okay.
Skido (05:46):
Poor. Mean, I grew up with my grandmother, lowly side
Puerto Rican, two bedroom, fivepeople.
DeShawn (05:50):
Okay. Good.
Skido (05:50):
And I was my grandmother and my grandfather, you know, so
miles was drugged, had me young,Went through a lot of things.
Everybody know me for that. But,you know, but through that pain
and suffering, it was it was itwas and God keeping me
DeShawn (06:06):
Mhmm.
Skido (06:06):
Made me who I am. Got it. So but if he chose to tap me in
my head and go, you would neverdrink, you would never smoke,
you would never do drugs, butyou would see all the
destruction, and he you and hechose me because I could have
been that.
DeShawn (06:19):
Right. Right. But you saw the
Skido (06:21):
effects of The the tearing my family apart, losing
them to drugs and AIDS and allkind of messes, that it got to
the point where when it waschaos, I was there. You know
what I'm saying? My motherwasn't a bad mother, she was
just a she was a addict. Yeah.But she was also a good person.
DeShawn (06:40):
Mhmm.
Skido (06:41):
But everybody's pain is different.
DeShawn (06:43):
Right. Right.
Skido (06:43):
And everything feels because you're trying to
survive. As you become an adultand a parent, you start to
understand their pain.
DeShawn (06:49):
Right.
Skido (06:50):
But as a kid, you just feel your suffering.
DeShawn (06:52):
Exactly.
Skido (06:52):
But through all of that
DeShawn (06:54):
So what brought you out of it? Like
Skido (06:56):
Brought me out of mine? Mhmm.
DeShawn (06:58):
Like, what was your turning point?
Skido (07:00):
Oh, man. Well, first of all, I think it got to the point
where, through all that pain andsuffering, I think I was I
became I didn't know I was off.Okay. I thought off is reckless.
DeShawn (07:14):
Okay.
Skido (07:15):
Meaning, my hate grew. So, when I saw the people I love
pulling needles out of my aunt'sarm and grabbing my little
cousins and all this stuff, itwas trauma, but you don't know
what trauma does to I think mytrauma was more revenge. It it
got to the point where I felt,well, if I if I take all the
(07:39):
drug dealers, right, and I robthem and take all this, it would
save my family, not thinking. SoI started I would have episodes
where I would just go off and gogo at people at a young age and
watch things, and I had a crew,and we would rob them and do it.
I was doing thinking, alwaysthinking out the box.
I had a very creative mind.
DeShawn (08:00):
Mhmm.
Skido (08:00):
And I would always be around the mess. And being
younger started, I I did a lotof bad things to bad people,
not, you know, things that yougo to jail for life for, but
younger, enough to there's noway he's doing that.
DeShawn (08:15):
Right.
Skido (08:16):
So and then it just
DeShawn (08:17):
made me So in your mind, did you think that it was
okay, because they were
Skido (08:19):
mad No, in my mind I thought I could save the world,
because when I would when Iwould get them, they weren't
they were looking for otherpeople, but I was younger. But
as I got older, it got worse.But then I would take all drugs
and I would throw it in the EastRiver, which is FDR Drive, or
I'd throw it in the Hudson. Butit got to the point, you know,
like, everything changes.
DeShawn (08:36):
Right. Right.
Skido (08:37):
You know, your crew is your crew, and then they're
like, yo, excuse We we gottakeep some of this. And I'm like,
but that's that's not what I'mdoing. But then it was almost a
cry We don't have, you know,psychiatrists or anything. So
when when I'm being trauma, allthe pain and suffering, this is
my way of thinking I could cleannot trying to be a Robin Hood
only.
DeShawn (08:57):
Right.
Skido (08:57):
I just would see him, and it would be a hate. But then and
then on the other side, all myfriends are gangsters and
killers and drug dealers. So itwas like, yeah, you're skiing. I
don't like you, but I love you.You feel what I'm saying?
Right. Because you're not doingnothing, and I don't worship
drug dealers.
DeShawn (09:14):
Right.
Skido (09:15):
So, I I see my whole family's almost gone. So, it was
it was more like and to thisday, I don't worship I never
worship a drug dealer or agangster. I worship I worship I
always had love for people thathave a love for people. Right.
But I say but in that course, ifGod put me through that, it was
easy for me to, you know, savelives.
(09:37):
I saved a lot of lives. So, yougotta understand what you're
dealing with out here. You gotanimals. Right. But these
animals are the people I grew upwith.
But I but I but I I it's like Iwalked with them, but I didn't
walk among them. Mhmm. That makesense? Yeah. But I was saved.
Now, don't do that. No. Don'tkill them. Don't do that. Chill.
You know I'm saying? Mhmm.
DeShawn (09:57):
So that same shepherding, so to speak, is
what you do now Is yeah. With,you know, your colleagues and
the industry and all that.Because you're more so behind
the scene type
Skido (10:06):
of behind the scene. But I I know everybody.
DeShawn (10:08):
So Connecting the guys. Everybody.
Skido (10:11):
If I don't, Deshaun, if you if I don't if you're Oprah
Winfrey Mhmm. I don't have tohang out with Oprah, but I know
who who her right hand or hersecond right hand. I'm cool with
them. Mhmm. Then I make the dealhappen, I give them the credit,
and I get the check and I go.
Yeah. So I want I didn't careabout being in the scene. Right.
Right. So when people say,didn't see you at the party
(10:31):
because I don't wanna be at theparty, but I know everybody at
the party.
Right. So I just and I justnoticed there was a bridge for
me to help the next person getin the game, because I used to
see people, yo, can you givethis CD to Nori? You know, I
used to go on the you know, whenNori was crossing over, you
know, I've I've been down thatroad with him to doing daddy
Yankee and all that. My boy,Bodygy, who everybody knows in
(10:53):
this game, Bodygy fromQueensbridge, Bodyguard, that's
my brother.
DeShawn (10:56):
I don't know.
Skido (10:57):
Yeah. I know you. You're not there. But he brought me in.
We you know, I used to runaround, hold them down with my
team, and, you know, it's a lotof things back in the days was
different.
You know? If it was on, it wason. It wasn't no Internet shit.
You had a problem, yo, we go onthe fire, you was on on-site.
Okay.
But this internet fighting andall this shit, this shit was
this shit different. So I comefrom a different cloth.
DeShawn (11:17):
Right.
Skido (11:17):
But I don't judge nobody. That's why I got so much love. I
don't care who you are. Right orwrong, you're right, you're
wrong. But I don't judge becausethe shit God forgave me for, I
can't judge nobody.
Exactly. That's just thecharacter who I am.
DeShawn (11:31):
That's how I am.
Skido (11:31):
So rub that in this generation, sometimes it works
and sometimes it don't, youknow?
DeShawn (11:35):
Yeah. Well, they don't have a framework, a frame of
reference.
Skido (11:39):
Yeah.
DeShawn (11:39):
You know?
Skido (11:40):
No, they don't. You know what I'm saying? So but I'm able
to get along with everybody. Igot I got love for people and
winning Mhmm. But you don't knowthat because you're you're
judging how how I move, mydemeanor.
I got it strong because apresence is because the presence
is strong because of the painand the suffering. Mhmm. Then
when you survive something, ofcourse you're strong.
DeShawn (11:59):
So, you still have all that armor and stuff on you from
the past.
Skido (12:04):
Yeah. But the armor's already there.
DeShawn (12:06):
But is it heavy, though?
Skido (12:07):
No. It's actually lighter since I found God.
DeShawn (12:10):
Okay. Yeah. Well, tell me about that. So tell me, what
was the pivotal moment
Skido (12:14):
to,
like
DeShawn (12:14):
Are
Skido (12:14):
we doing this this one on one? You got me on a therapist?
Yeah. You a therapist? A life
DeShawn (12:18):
coach too. I'm just trying to understand. What was
the pivotal
Skido (12:21):
moment? What was the
DeShawn (12:22):
pivotal moment to get you to be, you know, the man
that you are now?
Skido (12:27):
Oh, man. Wow. That's a good question.
DeShawn (12:29):
Because you went to Florida.
Skido (12:30):
Yeah. Well, I had to leave to Florida because this
just was getting bad. I had mydaughter, God bless her, she's
in China right now. Can youbelieve it? One little girl
changed me to move, but I didn'thave nothing.
I would it just kept gettingworse and worse. And then there
would be times where we livingin Farmers Boulevard, 1 11
Farmers. I mean, 81718 having akid, and I and I never been a
(12:52):
kid, you know?
DeShawn (12:52):
Yeah. Yourself.
Skido (12:53):
Moving around, living with all my cousins and family
and everybody, you know, fromthe Puerto Rican side to the
black side, in New York one day,and Jamaican queens and Yonkers
One day, you know, like, Jesus,I'm all over the place. But it
was it was I'm more it it tookGod to take me away to because
he had a whole path for me.
DeShawn (13:14):
Right.
Skido (13:14):
But in New York, I don't know what the what's over the
wall. So I to this day, I thankGod because I had a brilliance
about me. But who sees it? I'mI'm in so much destruction. I
can't you we don't see it.
DeShawn (13:28):
New York. Yeah. So you have to get away from it.
Skido (13:30):
No. I didn't get away that pulled me away. Okay. Let's
clear that up. I wouldn't getnever left New York.
Yeah. Why would I go to New Yorkto move to Florida?
DeShawn (13:36):
Yeah. That's how I feel too. God had to knock me Yeah.
Skido (13:40):
It ain't a religious thing, it's a relationship.
DeShawn (13:42):
Right.
Skido (13:43):
Of But, I don't know about y'all, but I know my pain
and suffering, who I used to be,and the people that know me, I
know the God I serve.
DeShawn (13:50):
Amen.
Skido (13:51):
Let's get clear. And I'm not judging y'all, I know who I
was.
DeShawn (13:56):
It's one thing knowing God, it's another thing
experiencing And so, know, whenI went through my journey,
knowing that, you know, God hasgot your back no matter what,
he's not man, he's gonna lie,you know, and all of that, and
he's not gonna leave you and allthis stuff, like, have a
different appreciation.
Skido (14:11):
Yeah. Have man, I have a grateful appreciation, but it's
this thing, when I was young,and my friends to this day call
me from prison, from before theywere ready to do something. You
don't understand. Like, I knowthousands of people. Like, if I
was on that dark side, it'd be aproblem.
DeShawn (14:27):
Right.
Skido (14:27):
God said, oh, no, no, no, no. Because I'm a leader.
Dispatch. Yeah. No.
Like, I really am that. You knowwhat I'm saying? Mhmm. But the
thing is, I'm built for thatwar, but God has me for a
different war.
DeShawn (14:38):
Absolutely.
Skido (14:38):
But I'm not afraid of nothing. You know I'm saying? So
I'm not caught up in people'sriches and money. And then when
they see I'm really like that,it's like, yo
DeShawn (14:50):
Then they love you.
Skido (14:51):
Yeah. But it's not I'm not trying to cut you down. I'm
happy for everybody. Absolutely.But I'm not gonna I'm not a yes
person or ungrateful you know,like, trying to put
DeShawn (15:00):
you down. Probably, like, different. So they're not
because a lot of times whenpeople, they have a group of yes
men. So when there's that oneperson that's not that, I'm
like, oh, he's different. Andthen, you know, they actually
gravitate towards it.
Yeah. I don't like people.
Skido (15:14):
I know you wonder if I like you, I'm with you all the
DeShawn (15:17):
Right.
Skido (15:19):
I didn't like you being late today. You know what I'm
saying? That don't
DeShawn (15:22):
mean I don't love you. You know, mean,
Skido (15:25):
we're when I say we're doing this show, we're gonna be
so real with this. I might goleft a couple of times, but
we're not doing that, whateverybody else is doing.
DeShawn (15:34):
No. Of course not.
Skido (15:34):
So when they come on this show, even, you know, we're
gonna have you know, we got alot
DeShawn (15:38):
of guests ready to And this celebrity,
Skido (15:40):
it got his favor. But me and you got something that's
special, and and I respecteverything you do. And I love
the way you came out of what youcame out of.
DeShawn (15:49):
Thank you.
Skido (15:50):
But a lot of women need to hear that. Yeah. Because
you've been in a shell. And thenand no. No.
We we flipping it now.
DeShawn (15:58):
I'm popping
Skido (15:58):
out now. And and I shared a little bit of you. You didn't
come from the little mansion.You didn't come from you came
from Detroit.
DeShawn (16:05):
I came from Detroit.
Skido (16:06):
And you and you kinda lost yourself doing all of that.
DeShawn (16:09):
Me and yourself I indulge. I
Skido (16:12):
you had
DeShawn (16:14):
I was in my bubble for like most of my adult life, so
Skido (16:19):
No, but no.
DeShawn (16:19):
But that bubble's But
Skido (16:20):
the bubble is what where where you came from, there's
nothing wrong with it. Whatwe're saying is anybody could
get caught up.
DeShawn (16:27):
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
Skido (16:28):
So you it's not
DeShawn (16:28):
But my foundation is the reason why I didn't break.
Skido (16:31):
Yeah. Because Yeah.
DeShawn (16:33):
You know what I'm saying?
Skido (16:33):
But What I'm saying is when we was talking is, where
you came from was from humblebeginnings.
DeShawn (16:40):
Absolutely.
Skido (16:41):
Where you went was on mansions and and caught up in
and what's and what you and whoyou are is you want the best.
That's cool. But what balancesyou, you can never that's what
keeps the balance when you bringwhat you came from into reality.
So when you look, when you whenyou're there and you you get to
the bubble, some people get inthat bubble and forget it. It's
(17:03):
nothing.
It's it's okay. But that is whatthe balance is when you come
from that, is that to rememberto bring it in front of you so
you can never get caught up in abubble. And sometimes with that,
it could go into friendships andrelationships and marriages
where you you you get caught upin the hype that you forget the
details of little things that'sBut, you know, we go into that.
(17:25):
But
DeShawn (17:25):
Yeah. But, you know, that's why I always say, like,
God can trust me this next timearound.
Skido (17:28):
Oh, really? Why? Why do say that?
DeShawn (17:31):
Because I'm a totally different person.
Skido (17:32):
Really?
DeShawn (17:32):
Yeah. And so I think it's different. I think it's
different now.
Skido (17:36):
It is? Yeah. What's different?
DeShawn (17:38):
I'm different. You know what I'm saying? Like, so when
you go when you have different.
Skido (17:42):
Don't And, let's take out the are you kicking me to stop
Oh, know. I hope you're not.Keep going. I said, let's keep
it a hundred. No, know, I keepit real.
You've got me on this show. Iain't gonna stop talking. But, I
I respect you, d, because I Iknow you. But and when you
(18:05):
explain things to me and I'vebeen in this game a long time. I
wasn't on TV, but I I alwaysbeen behind the scenes.
And people lose themselves.Yeah. Not a bad thing. You pink
DeShawn (18:15):
kid. Natural.
Skido (18:16):
But the snapping out of that reality or delusion and
what oh, oh, oh, no. No. No. No.You gotta get you gotta get back
to
DeShawn (18:24):
Well, sometimes life can snap you out of it.
Skido (18:26):
Yeah. Life can snap you out of it. Life can
DeShawn (18:28):
you out of to
Skido (18:29):
them how you got in it and what happened, and how did
you get out of it. How are youcoming out of it? Can you tell
me that?
DeShawn (18:36):
Sure. Which part?
Skido (18:38):
Let's start from what what you wanna go from the
humble beginnings?
DeShawn (18:42):
Where do wanna start from? I'm from Detroit,
Michigan. Okay. Grew up inSouthwest Detroit.
Skido (18:46):
Yeah.
DeShawn (18:47):
Yeah. Went to college in Michigan. That's where I met
my then husband, my collegesweetheart.
Skido (18:54):
Name? They wanna know the name. What's the
DeShawn (18:58):
Eric Snow.
Skido (18:59):
What do you want me to remix? I don't want ain't saying
this. Everybody in the world
DeShawn (19:04):
know We, you know, we dated all throughout college.
Okay. Then graduated, and hewent into the pros. And I
actually had my degree inmarketing, and I had a job as a
branch manager trainee. So I wasin Detroit, and I was like,
well, I'm not gonna come.
You know, I wanna make surethat's what you want and all of
that. And so but by thatChristmas so he got drafted by
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Seattle, and then that Christmasby Christmas time, he proposed
that first Christmas.
Skido (19:30):
Oh, from college, straight proposed, but you you
was So when we got
DeShawn (19:33):
married to two years later. Yeah. So, no. And so I
was yeah, I had a job, and thenwhen I moved to Seattle, I got
because I was working in thebanking industry, so I got a job
there.
Skido (19:42):
Okay.
DeShawn (19:42):
So I remember even during the playoffs, like, all
the wives and girlfriends wasgoing, and I was studying
getting my series six in '63.But as soon as I got married,
then I stopped working. ButOkay. For the bank. Yeah.
So anyways, had a good marriage,you know, until it wasn't. And
then
Skido (20:02):
What happened?
DeShawn (20:04):
We grew apart. It was a lot of things.
Skido (20:07):
What happened? We're not we aren't why are you putting me
on this show?
DeShawn (20:10):
He divorced
Skido (20:11):
me. You no. No.
DeShawn (20:12):
So we're divorced. He divorced me. He filed for
divorce.
Skido (20:14):
But what happened? See, you're going this is what I'm
trying to say. We're over thedivorce. Everybody in the world
knows about it. I want you totell them.
They wanna know and I whathappened? What you think
happened?
DeShawn (20:29):
My part in it is I didn't we grew apart,
apparently. But I was kindacaught up in myself, too, a lot.
Skido (20:41):
Okay.
DeShawn (20:42):
And there's a lot of miss you know, a lot of things
that I, you know, I wasn'tdoing. I don't know.
Skido (20:47):
This ain't the blame game.
DeShawn (20:48):
Right.
Skido (20:49):
Right. I just try don't blame yourself because right,
wrong, wrong is right. I'mtrying to where do you okay.
This is for everybody that's gotcaught up in that bubble. Let's
free people.
This is to show that we're notdoing that.
DeShawn (20:59):
So when it happens, okay, and then when it's over,
then you fear like, because Ifelt my life was over. I felt I
couldn't live without him.Right? Okay. But obviously, you
know, that wasn't the case.
So I had to go through a periodbecause even though I had my own
foundation helping teenage girlswith self esteem issues, I had
my own real estate brokerage,EDJ Realty. I was doing stuff. I
was a business person, but, youknow, I was a wife, I was a
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mother, I was I was I was happyto have those titles. So when
you're no longer that, thenyou're kinda like, well, who am
I? So I went through a period ofthat, and then and then I went
through a period where I didn'teven want to, like, play life.
Like, I I I didn't like it. Ididn't like my situation, and I
didn't, you know so I justchecked out, you know?
Skido (21:42):
So you checked out is what made him check out?
DeShawn (21:44):
No, no. This is I'm talking post divorce.
Skido (21:47):
Okay. But but I'm trying to get it from the the
beginning. You're going too farahead. Come on. You you keep
going
DeShawn (21:53):
around
it
and get to
Skido (21:53):
So he
DeShawn (21:53):
divorced me. Had he had another family.
Skido (22:06):
During your marriage? He had another family?
DeShawn (22:08):
Toward the end.
Skido (22:09):
And this is when you had the real estate, when you was
getting
DeShawn (22:11):
married? Well, was after, because once I got on the
show, I stopped doing all ofthat.
Skido (22:15):
Okay. Where did you see I'm just I'm trying
DeShawn (22:18):
to figure I mean, I found out at the end.
Skido (22:20):
At the end, you found
DeShawn (22:21):
I mean, he told me in advance, and then we were
working on it, and then weweren't. I thought we were
working on it, and then he saidhe wanted divorce.
Skido (22:29):
Okay. Do you feel you
DeShawn (22:30):
got No. And
Skido (22:31):
I this is indeed this is people that's in it now. Yes.
Where did you feel like y'ally'all were probably sweet and
cute along in the beginning.
DeShawn (22:40):
I didn't know that things were like they were.
Skido (22:43):
Why?
DeShawn (22:44):
I don't maybe because I was just delusional or whatever.
It's not like, you know, peopleassume that, you know, it was
this bad marriage and he wasdoing all this, and that was not
case. Wasn't my truth. You knowwhat I mean?
Skido (22:54):
Alright.
DeShawn (22:55):
So I didn't I didn't know.
Skido (22:56):
He didn't treat you wrong or abuse you and do the crazy
No.
DeShawn (22:59):
He was a great husband.
Skido (23:00):
Was a good but there
DeShawn (23:01):
was a certain And a father, a great father.
Skido (23:03):
But but can I ask you something?
DeShawn (23:04):
Sure.
Skido (23:05):
Based on you coming not and not this is he's wrong for
that, period. No. I but but no.No. Everybody tries to blame
himself.
Let's let me this is my opinion.
DeShawn (23:16):
I wasn't
Skido (23:16):
You was in college. You was driven. You had career,
things you wanted to do in life.
DeShawn (23:21):
Yes.
Skido (23:22):
Being with him enhanced that to make it easier. And then
y'all both got into the life ofsuccess. Do you feel once you
started the high life and evenhis success is your success
because you're still driven thatyou started to get into your
funding and brand and kind offorget a little bit about him?
Because, you know, men are likekids. We need to have attention
(23:44):
to certain things, but remember,you're still career driven.
There's nothing wrong with yourcareer in your But marriage is a
whole
DeShawn (23:51):
another move. I dropped the ball a lot of the times.
Okay.
Skido (23:53):
So
DeShawn (23:54):
I had I started my own well, the foundation was, you
know, that didn't take me away,but EDJ Realty. Okay. So I got
my real estate license, and Ireally just got license because
I think he was telling me noabout something. And so I was
like, well, I'm just gonna workand make my own money.
Skido (24:10):
So was telling you know about what?
DeShawn (24:12):
Landscaping at the house in Ohio, which is not our
main house.
Skido (24:16):
Okay.
DeShawn (24:16):
So it didn't make sense to do all of that in a house
that's not your main house, butI wanted it.
Skido (24:21):
Okay.
DeShawn (24:21):
So I was like, I'll just go get a job and make my
own money.
Skido (24:24):
So he well, I mean, he was talking to you as a husband
Yeah. About something, but youwas like, well, if you ain't
gonna get I'm a go get my ownwhatever.
DeShawn (24:32):
Like, he That was just kinda what I was on.
Skido (24:33):
You was on. And so so you you kinda was, like, kinda
little arrogant, like, you'rehard headed, like, you know
DeShawn (24:39):
My hard headed.
Skido (24:40):
Not the wife
DeShawn (24:41):
because one of the things
Skido (24:41):
like this, and I said we're not doing I don't wanna do
anything like I
DeShawn (24:45):
wasn't like, whatever, but I was just like, whatever,
but not like
Skido (24:48):
What did you just say?
DeShawn (24:49):
I wasn't like, in your face whatever.
Skido (24:51):
No, no, you just twisted that. You it was whatever.
DeShawn (24:54):
Okay.
Skido (24:54):
Okay. You just went in a whole circle. I don't know what
that is. We ain't doing
DeShawn (24:57):
Okay. Anyway, the point is Okay. The point is so I went
to go get my real estatelicense, and I think anybody
that knows a lot of people Okay.You should definitely get
because you can always doreferrals. And so, the realtor
that I was working with well,actually, we was getting the
house here, so I know therealtor I was working with that
bought the house here
Skido (25:15):
Mhmm.
DeShawn (25:15):
I realized that she was working for someone else. Like,
she was a broker for someoneelse's company.
Skido (25:21):
Mhmm.
DeShawn (25:21):
And so I was gonna get a real estate license and do it
with that, but I was like, well,I might as well just have my own
company. Then, I was never abroker, I just hired a broker.
Skido (25:30):
So you had people working for you?
DeShawn (25:31):
Yeah, and I had the broker managing the thing. Okay.
So it went from not just megetting my license, but me
running a company. Okay. So thatrequired me not necessarily
required me I was back and forthfrom Ohio to Atlanta.
Our main house was in Atlanta. Iwas in Atlanta Three To Four
Days a week.
Skido (25:46):
So, basically, not to cut you off, so let's get back to
the husband and wife thing. So,you got So,
DeShawn (25:53):
I opened the door. I had no business going back and
forth like that, like I needed ajob.
Skido (25:58):
So, basically, what people need to understand is a
marriage is a partnership.
DeShawn (26:02):
Is a partnership.
Skido (26:03):
There's a king and there's a queen.
DeShawn (26:05):
Absolutely.
Skido (26:06):
Some of y'all I'm not and I'm the king. Ain't no woman
trying to be the king with me.And now let me let me get that
in my words. I don't want y'allbe be out here protesting
against me, which I don't reallygive a shit. But what I'm
saying, this is skit skitotalking.
I'm a treat my queen like she aqueen, but she gotta know she a
queen. We don't need two men inthe house. The thing with these
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women, when a man's successful,they still need that lady. They
need that. Because a man is thatnurturing thing.
DeShawn (26:33):
Mhmm.
Skido (26:33):
Kings always need nurturing. You know what I'm
saying? But a but a king alsonurtures his wife. Right. But if
you want some other things ofboss stuff and all of that, and
you it's you're automaticseparating the bond, not judging
it.
It's okay because everybody'syoung and
DeShawn (26:50):
No, but I didn't go about it right. I mean, I was my
my motivations weren't it wasnot family first.
Skido (26:57):
Oh, okay.
DeShawn (26:57):
So I acknowledge that. You know,
Skido (26:59):
so I
DeShawn (26:59):
Well, that's real. Part of the reason, you know, we're
not together. I acknowledge mypart in it, you know. Especially
when you when you're healing,you have to it's not about the
other person, it's about you. Sowhat was the part that you
played in it?
So I definitely played thatpart. I was me focused, and it
was what I wanted, and so I justdid what I wanted I mean, my
(27:20):
cousin lived with us, so shehelped with the kids. I could go
back and forth. I was allowed togo back and forth, and so I went
back and forth, but I shouldhave kept my butt home.
Skido (27:28):
What would you not and it's not to get let's we what
would you do different?
DeShawn (27:33):
I would stay
Skido (27:34):
The same what would you do different What
DeShawn (27:36):
I would do different for you?
Skido (27:37):
To help the people that's in that right now before they
started?
DeShawn (27:41):
Be a team. And and let him know. I mean, because Eric
was always very supportive.
Skido (27:47):
Okay.
DeShawn (27:47):
So, I would've it's not like, oh, sweetheart, I have
this burning desire to open up areal estate firm. That was kinda
like, oh, you telling me no, letme go my license. Oh, I'm not
gonna go work for somebody else,I'll just work for myself. And
it just kinda snowballed fromthere. And then I was, like,
doing stuff, I was in thecommunity, and I was, like,
doing I was my own person, I wasDeshaun.
I mean, was still Eric's wife,but I was making moves.
Skido (28:09):
Mhmm.
DeShawn (28:10):
Not as his wife, but as me. Mhmm. So, you know, I got
caught up in that. Mhmm. But inhindsight, I shouldn't have
never done any of that, becausehe provided a wonderful home.
There was really ever no lack.That was all from my ambitions.
I was overly ambitious
Skido (28:27):
Okay, lady.
DeShawn (28:28):
And I didn't have the right order. So everything
you're saying, which is true,like, I wanna be a queen, and I
ain't trying to be no king. Andeven then, though, I don't think
it was I was consciously tryingto be a king. I was just like,
well, telling me, no, I'm a justgo to
Skido (28:49):
Okay.
DeShawn (28:49):
I mean, it really started from telling me.
Skido (28:51):
That's cool. That's what it is. But
DeShawn (28:54):
But I'm no longer that person.
Skido (28:56):
So This is
DeShawn (28:57):
the main thing. Because I can praise God about it,
because I'm no longer thatperson. So I can talk about it
now.
Skido (29:01):
That's what's up.
DeShawn (29:02):
I'm not a person.
Skido (29:03):
I wanna tell you something. This wasn't personal
for us, for me, because I don'tI know your whole thing. This
was for everybody else that'sgetting caught up in that. You
know, you know my love for you.You're my sis.
So but at the end of the day, ifwe we can help we can help each
other, because this show isgonna be about helping us get
better. Mhmm. But we alsohelping everybody else. Don't
(29:24):
get caught up in it.
DeShawn (29:25):
Don't get caught up.
Skido (29:25):
You understand what saying? Don't get caught If you
got a good man, which I see he
DeShawn (29:28):
looked like That's a man.
Skido (29:29):
He didn't fight it. But he had needs, and he felt like,
you when you was on that, can'ttell me what to do. I'm a do
what I do. And he
DeShawn (29:37):
But not really disrespectful. He could
Skido (29:39):
have been aggressive, like, y'all could have been
like, yo, you talk like, itcould have been that. He was
when men get quiet me tell yousomething, when men get quiet
DeShawn (29:47):
They check up.
Skido (29:47):
And they be like and they ain't gotta hit you. There's
good men out here. They ain'tgotta do nothing. When they can
start getting quiet, there's aproblem. And then what happens,
the more quiet, because he's notsaying nothing, your ego,
whatever, driven is gettingbigger.
So now, because nobody'schecking it, that thing is a
monster now. And nothing towardsyou. You got women don't know
(30:08):
that. They be thinking that, oh,got my man good, he good, you so
lost that he's quiet. He's like,oh, okay.
He don't feel like a king, hedon't feel like the provider,
he's giving you, he's doing thebest he can, because people has
ambition and drive, which isgood, you could work with them,
but when men get quiet, ladies
DeShawn (30:28):
This is facts.
Skido (30:28):
Understand something, and and and that's when it's bad.
When they not arguing with you,they're not debating when they
get you shut him down. And whenhe shut down, that's how the
next woman come. And it don'tmean that he loves the woman. He
don't even care about it.
Don't lose yourself thinking,that woman was better than you,
and she might be, you're pretty,is she ugly, or whatever. It
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wasn't about the look. At thatmoment, he felt like the
weakest. And this is from aman's perspective. He felt like,
damn, I got the world and mywoman still I still can't get
her to respect me.
Respect Well,
DeShawn (31:05):
I don't think I ever disrespect No,
Skido (31:06):
no, You disrespect when you go against what he's saying.
And I'm giving you from ourside. You can hold this.
DeShawn (31:14):
No. This is real talk.
Skido (31:15):
You know what I'm saying?
DeShawn (31:16):
This is this is he definitely We're
Skido (31:18):
being 10 steps ahead. This is what it's all about. So
right now is if if if I'm sayingthings and you block it, that is
that's that's that's what it is.So they shut down, and then they
look. You know what I'm saying?
But and then it it don't meannothing to the person they with.
Believe me, deep in his heart,he this he loved his family.
Mhmm. This is the what I'mhearing he's a great person.
(31:41):
Mhmm.
Yes. And not to judge. He made amistake. I know he regrets that.
DeShawn (31:44):
We're making mistakes.
Skido (31:45):
The way he handled it. And I know the way you did, you
had, you regret it. But now,we're about to make this better.
So now, coming out of this,we're gonna do better. So and
they needed to hear that.
DeShawn (31:55):
And you do not And you're right, because, you know,
afterwards, I would wonder,like, how is this so easy? How
is this so easy? But because hehad already checked out, so men
do check out. Can still be theredoing all the things, but
checked out. And then, I'm sonot even in tune Mhmm.
(32:17):
To even know that he checkedout. That's all on me.
Skido (32:19):
Driven. It's not
DeShawn (32:21):
I mean, I was driven, but I was also it wasn't an
ambition. I mean, was a littleambition, but it was me just
wanting to be me.
Skido (32:29):
Yeah. Yeah. You could do that when you're single and
you're doing all that. Marriageis a whole another animal.
DeShawn (32:34):
No.
Skido (32:35):
Not to judge you you that's what I said. You would
definitely be a different foundLuther. You'll be a different
person because we learn.
DeShawn (32:41):
Mhmm.
Skido (32:42):
Right? But I'm telling you, you're helping. They really
wanted to know. I know that. Andthis is and this is the thing
about it.
You know me. I'm not we're notthis show is I know. Had a we
had an agreement. You said,we're not dancing around shit.
And I'm a keep it real with you,but we're not gonna you know, I
don't know how to dance, do thedance thing.
DeShawn (32:57):
Yes.
Skido (32:58):
So, but so, you know, I might be the host today, you
have another host tomorrow.Don't call me, because you know
what it is. At the same time, Iapplaud you because when they
get from the show, we're gonnaget somebody's gonna be
delivered
DeShawn (33:11):
from Oh, for sure.
Skido (33:12):
For You're gonna save other marriages, and they're
gonna actually stop what theydoing and go, wait a minute.
Because when you lose something,ain't a lot of good men out
there.
DeShawn (33:21):
Oh, And
Skido (33:21):
ain't a lot of good women out there. So at the same time,
this is this is this is we justwanted to get all this out the
way, all the junk out
DeShawn (33:29):
of No. But these are these are great points because
it is true, and and this is,like, how I will be different in
my next marriage, for sure.
Skido (33:35):
Oh,
DeShawn (33:35):
okay. I think Eric was a great man, and I just had a
lot of liberties that I took.
Skido (33:41):
Mhmm. Got you.
DeShawn (33:42):
And I was, know but we don't we don't get a manual in
how to do it. Know I'm saying? Iwas supposed to break the
generational curse. You know, mymom my parents were divorced.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not like I had a lot ofstuff, but you kinda get into a
life and you just get into aworld and and it went to my
head, I guess. If that's whatyou wanna call it.
Skido (34:02):
Hey, we we we both we
DeShawn (34:03):
both take care But the thing is, though, what happens
is because God, you know, Godgives us grace, of course, but
when he has a calling and apurpose for your life, he not
gonna just sit around foreverwaiting on you. Yeah, you're he
see you not moving quick enough,then he will snatch everything
from you.
Skido (34:20):
Oh, And
DeShawn (34:21):
so that's what he did. He snatched everything from me.
He brought me to my knees, and Ithink he wouldn't have I
wouldn't know him the way that Ido if that not had happened. So,
he had to take it from me. So,when I look back on things, I
don't look at it as like, oh, heleft me this and that.
Mean, I have my moments, but Irealized it was it had to been
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that way. Does that make sense?
Skido (34:46):
I'm a ask you something. When you lost when you got
stripped from everything,because we all we all been
through something like that, Didyou hate God or did you thank
him?
DeShawn (34:57):
I don't know that I thanked him. I def never hated
him.
Skido (34:59):
You know, angry. You're upset.
DeShawn (35:01):
Angry. Yeah. Yeah. No. Angry.
No. Wasn't angry. I was angrywith myself.
Skido (35:04):
Okay. But you never blamed God?
DeShawn (35:06):
I was never blamed God. I mean, I still deal with shame
and guilt, you know. A lot oftimes I feel like, you know, my
sisters and them, they'll say,you know, Shonda, that cookie
was gonna crumble. You know whatI'm saying? It was gonna crumble
anyways.
Like, I feel like if if I didthis or if I did this or I
didn't do this, you know, so Itake blank, you know, I feel
Skido (35:25):
That's how you still feel today?
DeShawn (35:27):
Sometimes it's still creepy. It's remnants of that.
Skido (35:30):
So I'm a give you a thing of feeling guilty, y'all. Don't.
DeShawn (35:35):
Right. Because God forgave us. No condemnation in
God.
Skido (35:37):
Yeah. But I know. But I think they need to really
understand what guilt is. Right?That's something that makes you
suffer.
Mhmm. And God don't want you tosuffer. You know what I'm
saying? First of all, whenyou've done something and
everybody that's looking in thiscamera and understand, there's
no person without fault in thisworld. Stop.
Y'all just do things that peoplejust don't know about it, or or
(35:59):
it's about there's a lot ofthings people are doing that
ain't been exposed. Stop. That'swhat's you see what's going on
out here. Right?
DeShawn (36:05):
Yeah.
Skido (36:05):
So, you know, when God says stop, he means stop. He's
either going to strip you orhe's going to expose you. Y'all
understand that? Yeah. So, thoseare the two things, strip you or
expose you, meaning you're notgetting away with nothing.
Right. So, your best thing isstart doing the right thing.
He's giving you mercy and graceto do the right thing. So when
he say he forgive you, it'sover. Look at that because
(36:27):
nobody can throw nothing atnobody.
I just wanted to let the peopleknow that, you know you know, if
you've done something, shake itoff, you know, get back on your
feet, God forgave you, The worldwill always throw stones. That's
how people are. But once yourman that gives you air to
breathe and move around
DeShawn (36:43):
You better preach.
Skido (36:44):
No. I'm not don't start that. You're it, and I gotta
chill on me. What the heck
DeShawn (36:50):
is that? Know I'm a minister too, though. Right?
Skido (36:54):
That's no. No. No. Not you. We're not doing that.
You know I'm saying?
DeShawn (36:57):
We're not doing that.
Skido (36:58):
It's okay.
DeShawn (36:59):
Alright. Life. Deep.
Skido (37:01):
Yeah. Alright. So, anyway, we got therapy, we got
ministry, we got all kinds ofstuff going on, and we all off.
By the end of the day, we wegotta save some lives out here.
So if this helps the next womanor man, just don't give up if
they're good, I'm telling you,because when you lose them, it
takes a long time to get them.
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And Yeah. Dee could tell youright now, it's hard for her to
find a good man. She's she'sshe's a beautiful woman, a
successful woman, but she's notjust settling for anything
because she knows what good is.
DeShawn (37:36):
And I know what love feels like.
Skido (37:38):
And you know what it is They
DeShawn (37:39):
truly love me. So I've I've experienced that. So you
can't give me a counterfeit.
Skido (37:44):
Oh, I like that word, counterfeit. Don't y'all been
getting along with the y'allbeen getting with the
counterfeits, and that's whyy'all been don't listen, man. A
man gonna be a man. Right. Youknow what I'm saying?
A man don't need a woman to takecare of Right. That's another
sign. I done been in
DeShawn (37:59):
Well, I that's foreign to
Skido (38:00):
me. Yeah. But that ain't foreign today. I see women
DeShawn (38:02):
I know. I see.
Skido (38:03):
Credit cards doing this and doing that. I'm not saying
you're not holding him down andhe's not doing something. But
when they sit in there, you yougot it, I lost my wallet, and
doing all that, these are allbad signs. You It's a different
world today. The ones that gotmarriages and the ones that are
on
DeShawn (38:20):
Worked
Skido (38:20):
out. Caught up in the bubble and got lost, I think
they needed to hear that fromyou. And I I appreciate that,
Will. Was going Yeah. Thoughtyou was kicking me to stop,
because I wasn't stopping.
I don't care how your heelslook, but what's going on. So,
but No.
DeShawn (38:34):
It's important, like, keep keep God first and keep you
know what I'm saying? If you nowit just it does take two, but,
you know and another thing Iwill always say is remember
you're always on the same team.Yes. Because, like, your
teammate don't want bad for you.Yeah.
So if your teammate falls short,it's not because you know, you
you're not defensive because youknow he got your back, it's your
teammate. Exactly. But when youdon't realize that y'all on the
(38:56):
same team, then you're like, oh,this and all that, you know what
I'm saying? So, I think nexttime around, you know,
definitely, you know, my mate ismy teammate, which he was my
teammate anyways, but justrealizing that. King is first,
and, like, I don't wanna do Imean, so what I will do, what
I've learned, because, like, Iclosed my real estate company,
so now I'm with Sotheby's, but Iclosed that before, like, during
(39:18):
Housewives and stuff.
But, like, I wish I never shuteverything down because then I
had to start over. Could've justwent back Everything happened
Reese. Happened for
Skido (39:26):
You can't stop what was destined. Yeah, that's true. We
we we good off of that. So, thatnote, I'm proud of you, man.
Thank you, Steve.
I see that. I see you workingout doing push ups boxing. Like,
was like, yo, she about to getdo what she doing? I Yeah. Doing
something.
You don't I seen you couple ofmonths ago. You know, I had the
restaurant up there. You know,we did the thing. And and I was
(39:47):
like, yo, d, I was he was like,yo, I'm on a mission. And when
you told me, yo, I saw you goingto some whole matrix workout,
kick ass.
I'm like, yo, d getting it. Youknow what I'm saying? And I was,
you know, I was proud of that.And I've seen your whole
mindset's different. You feellighter.
DeShawn (40:02):
You lighter. I'm trying to, like, live like know,
instead of acting happy, I wantto be happy. Because I know how
to I act happy.
Skido (40:11):
Yeah. Yeah.
DeShawn (40:12):
You just do the things.
Skido (40:13):
But I want to really
DeShawn (40:15):
Everybody's acting happy. But I want to really be
happy. Yeah. And I knowhappiness is fleeting, it's
emotional. Mean, really, thingis joy, right?
You're supposed to haveregardless of circumstances.
Yeah. So I have joy, or I'mworking towards joy, but I want
happiness too.
Skido (40:27):
Yeah.
DeShawn (40:27):
I want happiness too.
Skido (40:28):
Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? I think I want everybody
to be happy. I don't like miseryaround me.
DeShawn (40:34):
Yeah. I'm not miserable, but I'm not content.
Yeah. But I'm trying to bebecause I don't because I know
so much in store. There's somuch Well,
Skido (40:41):
we got five, four you know, gotta watch everything.
I'm watching you. I'm watchingthe clock. I'm watching and
listen. We keeping it real herebecause this is our first
podcast, so we're getting thefeel.
What you see, we're killing it.So you might see me look over
here, look over there. We're notthis is we're be who we're be.
You know what saying? I don'teven know how much time.
I know there's a time. Thinkit's 45. Right? So we're good.
(41:02):
We're wrapping it up.
We gotta do this.
DeShawn (41:04):
We'll catch you on the next side.
Skido (41:05):
We'll catch you on the next side.
DeShawn (41:06):
Because you got interesting stories.
Skido (41:07):
Oh, we got you.
DeShawn (41:08):
Got, you know because now you're transitioning from
the behind the scenes to infront of the scenes. I wanna
talk to you all about that inthe next episode.
Skido (41:16):
Oh my goodness. And then we gotta talk about a lot of
things that's going on out here.Yeah.
DeShawn (41:20):
Hot And our
Skido (41:20):
perspectives on the hot topics and everything, how we
feel about it and the thingsthat are going on. Man, I'm
loving this.
DeShawn (41:26):
I'm loving it.
Skido (41:26):
We're 10 Steps Ahead, boxed. We go this is chess,
baby, not checkers.
DeShawn (41:31):
Let's go. That. Let's go.
Skido (41:33):
Like right now, man. So So let's get it going. 10 Steps
Ahead. We're looking forward toit, man. I'm blessed right now,
d.
I'm blessed to
DeShawn (41:40):
be sharing
Skido (41:40):
the stage
DeShawn (41:41):
with you. This journey with you.
Skido (41:42):
Oh, let's go, man. We got a lot to go. Let's go. Alright.
DeShawn (41:46):
Alright. Love and light.
Skido (41:47):
Love and light. Let's go.
Dee, what up?
DeShawn (00:23):
What's up, Skido?
Skido (00:24):
Man, Ten Steps Ahead, the new podcast show.
DeShawn (00:29):
Yes. Welcome everyone to our podcast, 10 Steps Ahead
Oh my with my homeboy Skeeto.
Skido (00:34):
And DeShawn. We out here keeping it doing what we're
gonna do. I love it. You'relooking beautiful today.
DeShawn (00:40):
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Skido (00:41):
You know, you people got you all
DeShawn (00:43):
Well, you know
Skido (00:44):
fly.
DeShawn (00:44):
You know? Taste of spillage. So, you know, I was
saying the other day, you know,because we talk all the time on
Skido (00:51):
the phone
DeShawn (00:51):
and we just have great conversations.
Skido (00:53):
Yes. Yes.
DeShawn (00:54):
I was like, yeah, let's just let's just film it. Let's,
you know, do a podcast becausethe because you're always, like,
putting me on stuff and I'mputting you on stuff, so I
thought that was a great idea,and that's how this all came
about.
Skido (01:07):
Yes. It was it was so natural, and then when we was
talking about it, I mean, peoplearound us was cracking up. It
was it was hilarious. I'm like,it was so funny. And they're
like, yo, this thing might work.
And you came up and called me.You know, I'm off balance. So
but at the end of the day, wespeak real things about you've
been in the industry. I've beenin the industry, and I think we
need to bring somethingdifferent.
DeShawn (01:28):
Absolutely.
Skido (01:29):
And I agreed, and we get along. You like a sister to me,
and it's like, yo, whatever youneed, let's do it.
DeShawn (01:34):
Absolutely.
Skido (01:34):
You know? And and you want your, you know, your own
your own new thing, you know?
DeShawn (01:39):
Yes. Yes. Yes. We'll get into that.
Skido (01:41):
You know, looking fabulous,
DeShawn (01:43):
but go ahead. Thank you. It's been a journey.
Skido (01:44):
Yeah. It's been a journey.
DeShawn (01:46):
Yeah. It's been a journey for sure.
Skido (01:47):
Yeah. For sure. Tell them talk about it.
DeShawn (01:49):
What's the And we just gonna jump on into it? Like
that.
Skido (01:52):
Know me. Wheel me in, y'all. Wheel me in. It's our
first episode, so we really, youknow, you're gonna see a little
back and forth, but go ahead.
DeShawn (01:59):
Okay. So most people remember me from original Real
Housewives of Atlanta castmember. And so after the show, I
got divorced. Oh, And thenbecause the show pretty much
featured, you know, my marriageand my kids. And so then I just
kinda went you know, I had totake some time off to get myself
(02:20):
together.
Was kinda a hot mess. So it'sbeen a journey, but I'm on the
other side now.
Skido (02:26):
Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. What other side?
DeShawn (02:28):
Of the journey, of
Skido (02:29):
the Did people get dark and get darker?
DeShawn (02:31):
Of the valley. You just I was down in the pit. Okay. So
I had some dark then darkermoments.
Skido (02:36):
Okay.
DeShawn (02:36):
But but I'm I'm I'm out of it now.
Skido (02:39):
That's what's up.
DeShawn (02:40):
But I'm still evolving, still growing.
Skido (02:42):
Okay.
DeShawn (02:43):
You know, it's different phases of it.
Skido (02:44):
I love it. I like that. I like all that, you know, we all
fall, we all go through things,but the things get off, gotta
get up, you gotta keep going.
DeShawn (02:52):
You know what I'm saying?
Skido (02:53):
Yep. We can, but
DeShawn (02:54):
don't break.
Skido (02:55):
Depression is crazy. Mental illness is crazy out
here. You know, it's just a lotof people going through, you
know, and even though he'sbehind the camera, real life
hits.
DeShawn (03:04):
It hits.
Skido (03:05):
You know I'm saying?
DeShawn (03:06):
And I'm really glad that it hit off a camera. Mhmm.
Because I know I don't know Imean, the person I am now
probably could have handled it,but the person I was then could
not because I would have wantedto try to have it look a certain
way. Mhmm. And it's hard to tryto make something look like
something that's not.
Skido (03:25):
Gotcha.
DeShawn (03:26):
You know
Skido (03:26):
what mean? Yeah.
DeShawn (03:27):
So I'm I'm I'm fortunate that it did not go
through
Skido (03:30):
Mhmm.
DeShawn (03:30):
You know, go happen on camera. So I think I really do
think that was Scott's timingand provision and all of that.
Skido (03:37):
I see. You know I don't get caught, I know about
everything.
DeShawn (03:39):
Mhmm.
Skido (03:40):
And then we I don't get to people's, you know, you don't
know what they're going through,people are jumping people's
business, but anything thatmesses with family and your
household is always serious.Yeah. You know, sometimes the
the thing of television andHollywood in this industry,
people could get lost and caughtup. Yeah. And I've seen that
being in my world, you know, youknow me.
You know, I've been aconsultant. I started off doing
(04:02):
things from back in the days tohelping people in the industry,
you know, being being part of alot of things from, you know,
and a couple of friends bringingme in the game and showing me
the game, and it it was cool. II I I loved it, but I didn't
like it.
DeShawn (04:20):
Well, let's tell a little so do a brief
introduction. Tell a little bitabout you. So your name is
Mosquito. He's from New York.
Skido (04:26):
From New York. And Grew up Lower East. Have
DeShawn (04:28):
four regions.
Skido (04:29):
Half black. Best of both worlds.
DeShawn (04:31):
Best of both worlds.
Skido (04:32):
You know I'm saying? And so big family in New York. Mhmm.
And so love being on the LowEast Side, Yonkers. You know
what I'm saying?
I moved around a lot where Ilived with all my family
members. Yeah. You know, moms,you know, drugs and all that
stuff, but I had a good familyand a lot of cousins.
DeShawn (04:51):
Okay.
Skido (04:51):
So it kept me grounded. Always been the same person, you
know, guys just built different,you know, but I but through this
whole journey, which you'll seethrough other episodes, it's
been who who I am today. It mademe who I am today. Absolutely.
So and and I'm glad that if Icould do it over again
DeShawn (05:07):
Mhmm.
Skido (05:08):
I would do it over again because
DeShawn (05:10):
Without changing anything?
Skido (05:11):
Without changing anything because when I look, I'm
DeShawn (05:15):
fat. Right.
Skido (05:16):
Right. So if I had to do all that to be this
DeShawn (05:19):
It's worth it.
Skido (05:19):
It was worth it.
DeShawn (05:20):
Mhmm.
Skido (05:20):
For sure. Yeah. So and with that note and and and
knowing how God been moved, youknow, changed my life, that's
later. But just the fact how Ilearned the game Mhmm. Is just
going through all the rough.
DeShawn (05:32):
So, tell me more about the rough. So, like, when you
say you've from the streets.
Skido (05:36):
Yeah. But that oh, yes. Well, that's another thing.
DeShawn (05:39):
You mean from the streets?
Skido (05:41):
We can't but being for the streets is not like I'm in
the streets, I just grew
DeShawn (05:45):
up Okay. Okay.
Skido (05:46):
Poor. Mean, I grew up with my grandmother, lowly side
Puerto Rican, two bedroom, fivepeople.
DeShawn (05:50):
Okay. Good.
Skido (05:50):
And I was my grandmother and my grandfather, you know, so
miles was drugged, had me young,Went through a lot of things.
Everybody know me for that. But,you know, but through that pain
and suffering, it was it was itwas and God keeping me
DeShawn (06:06):
Mhmm.
Skido (06:06):
Made me who I am. Got it. So but if he chose to tap me in
my head and go, you would neverdrink, you would never smoke,
you would never do drugs, butyou would see all the
destruction, and he you and hechose me because I could have
been that.
DeShawn (06:19):
Right. Right. But you saw the
Skido (06:21):
effects of The the tearing my family apart, losing
them to drugs and AIDS and allkind of messes, that it got to
the point where when it waschaos, I was there. You know
what I'm saying? My motherwasn't a bad mother, she was
just a she was a addict. Yeah.But she was also a good person.
DeShawn (06:40):
Mhmm.
Skido (06:41):
But everybody's pain is different.
DeShawn (06:43):
Right. Right.
Skido (06:43):
And everything feels because you're trying to
survive. As you become an adultand a parent, you start to
understand their pain.
DeShawn (06:49):
Right.
Skido (06:50):
But as a kid, you just feel your suffering.
DeShawn (06:52):
Exactly.
Skido (06:52):
But through all of that
DeShawn (06:54):
So what brought you out of it? Like
Skido (06:56):
Brought me out of mine? Mhmm.
DeShawn (06:58):
Like, what was your turning point?
Skido (07:00):
Oh, man. Well, first of all, I think it got to the point
where, through all that pain andsuffering, I think I was I
became I didn't know I was off.Okay. I thought off is reckless.
DeShawn (07:14):
Okay.
Skido (07:15):
Meaning, my hate grew. So, when I saw the people I love
pulling needles out of my aunt'sarm and grabbing my little
cousins and all this stuff, itwas trauma, but you don't know
what trauma does to I think mytrauma was more revenge. It it
got to the point where I felt,well, if I if I take all the
(07:39):
drug dealers, right, and I robthem and take all this, it would
save my family, not thinking. SoI started I would have episodes
where I would just go off and gogo at people at a young age and
watch things, and I had a crew,and we would rob them and do it.
I was doing thinking, alwaysthinking out the box.
I had a very creative mind.
DeShawn (08:00):
Mhmm.
Skido (08:00):
And I would always be around the mess. And being
younger started, I I did a lotof bad things to bad people,
not, you know, things that yougo to jail for life for, but
younger, enough to there's noway he's doing that.
DeShawn (08:15):
Right.
Skido (08:16):
So and then it just
DeShawn (08:17):
made me So in your mind, did you think that it was
okay, because they were
Skido (08:19):
mad No, in my mind I thought I could save the world,
because when I would when Iwould get them, they weren't
they were looking for otherpeople, but I was younger. But
as I got older, it got worse.But then I would take all drugs
and I would throw it in the EastRiver, which is FDR Drive, or
I'd throw it in the Hudson. Butit got to the point, you know,
like, everything changes.
DeShawn (08:36):
Right. Right.
Skido (08:37):
You know, your crew is your crew, and then they're
like, yo, excuse We we gottakeep some of this. And I'm like,
but that's that's not what I'mdoing. But then it was almost a
cry We don't have, you know,psychiatrists or anything. So
when when I'm being trauma, allthe pain and suffering, this is
my way of thinking I could cleannot trying to be a Robin Hood
only.
DeShawn (08:57):
Right.
Skido (08:57):
I just would see him, and it would be a hate. But then and
then on the other side, all myfriends are gangsters and
killers and drug dealers. So itwas like, yeah, you're skiing. I
don't like you, but I love you.You feel what I'm saying?
Right. Because you're not doingnothing, and I don't worship
drug dealers.
DeShawn (09:14):
Right.
Skido (09:15):
So, I I see my whole family's almost gone. So, it was
it was more like and to thisday, I don't worship I never
worship a drug dealer or agangster. I worship I worship I
always had love for people thathave a love for people. Right.
But I say but in that course, ifGod put me through that, it was
easy for me to, you know, savelives.
(09:37):
I saved a lot of lives. So, yougotta understand what you're
dealing with out here. You gotanimals. Right. But these
animals are the people I grew upwith.
But I but I but I I it's like Iwalked with them, but I didn't
walk among them. Mhmm. That makesense? Yeah. But I was saved.
Now, don't do that. No. Don'tkill them. Don't do that. Chill.
You know I'm saying? Mhmm.
DeShawn (09:57):
So that same shepherding, so to speak, is
what you do now Is yeah. With,you know, your colleagues and
the industry and all that.Because you're more so behind
the scene type
Skido (10:06):
of behind the scene. But I I know everybody.
DeShawn (10:08):
So Connecting the guys. Everybody.
Skido (10:11):
If I don't, Deshaun, if you if I don't if you're Oprah
Winfrey Mhmm. I don't have tohang out with Oprah, but I know
who who her right hand or hersecond right hand. I'm cool with
them. Mhmm. Then I make the dealhappen, I give them the credit,
and I get the check and I go.
Yeah. So I want I didn't careabout being in the scene. Right.
Right. So when people say,didn't see you at the party
(10:31):
because I don't wanna be at theparty, but I know everybody at
the party.
Right. So I just and I justnoticed there was a bridge for
me to help the next person getin the game, because I used to
see people, yo, can you givethis CD to Nori? You know, I
used to go on the you know, whenNori was crossing over, you
know, I've I've been down thatroad with him to doing daddy
Yankee and all that. My boy,Bodygy, who everybody knows in
(10:53):
this game, Bodygy fromQueensbridge, Bodyguard, that's
my brother.
DeShawn (10:56):
I don't know.
Skido (10:57):
Yeah. I know you. You're not there. But he brought me in.
We you know, I used to runaround, hold them down with my
team, and, you know, it's a lotof things back in the days was
different.
You know? If it was on, it wason. It wasn't no Internet shit.
You had a problem, yo, we go onthe fire, you was on on-site.
Okay.
But this internet fighting andall this shit, this shit was
this shit different. So I comefrom a different cloth.
DeShawn (11:17):
Right.
Skido (11:17):
But I don't judge nobody. That's why I got so much love. I
don't care who you are. Right orwrong, you're right, you're
wrong. But I don't judge becausethe shit God forgave me for, I
can't judge nobody.
Exactly. That's just thecharacter who I am.
DeShawn (11:31):
That's how I am.
Skido (11:31):
So rub that in this generation, sometimes it works
and sometimes it don't, youknow?
DeShawn (11:35):
Yeah. Well, they don't have a framework, a frame of
reference.
Skido (11:39):
Yeah.
DeShawn (11:39):
You know?
Skido (11:40):
No, they don't. You know what I'm saying? So but I'm able
to get along with everybody. Igot I got love for people and
winning Mhmm. But you don't knowthat because you're you're
judging how how I move, mydemeanor.
I got it strong because apresence is because the presence
is strong because of the painand the suffering. Mhmm. Then
when you survive something, ofcourse you're strong.
DeShawn (11:59):
So, you still have all that armor and stuff on you from
the past.
Skido (12:04):
Yeah. But the armor's already there.
DeShawn (12:06):
But is it heavy, though?
Skido (12:07):
No. It's actually lighter since I found God.
DeShawn (12:10):
Okay. Yeah. Well, tell me about that. So tell me, what
was the pivotal moment
Skido (12:14):
to,
like
DeShawn (12:14):
Are
Skido (12:14):
we doing this this one on one? You got me on a therapist?
Yeah. You a therapist? A life
DeShawn (12:18):
coach too. I'm just trying to understand. What was
the pivotal
Skido (12:21):
moment? What was the
DeShawn (12:22):
pivotal moment to get you to be, you know, the man
that you are now?
Skido (12:27):
Oh, man. Wow. That's a good question.
DeShawn (12:29):
Because you went to Florida.
Skido (12:30):
Yeah. Well, I had to leave to Florida because this
just was getting bad. I had mydaughter, God bless her, she's
in China right now. Can youbelieve it? One little girl
changed me to move, but I didn'thave nothing.
I would it just kept gettingworse and worse. And then there
would be times where we livingin Farmers Boulevard, 1 11
Farmers. I mean, 81718 having akid, and I and I never been a
(12:52):
kid, you know?
DeShawn (12:52):
Yeah. Yourself.
Skido (12:53):
Moving around, living with all my cousins and family
and everybody, you know, fromthe Puerto Rican side to the
black side, in New York one day,and Jamaican queens and Yonkers
One day, you know, like, Jesus,I'm all over the place. But it
was it was I'm more it it tookGod to take me away to because
he had a whole path for me.
DeShawn (13:14):
Right.
Skido (13:14):
But in New York, I don't know what the what's over the
wall. So I to this day, I thankGod because I had a brilliance
about me. But who sees it? I'mI'm in so much destruction. I
can't you we don't see it.
DeShawn (13:28):
New York. Yeah. So you have to get away from it.
Skido (13:30):
No. I didn't get away that pulled me away. Okay. Let's
clear that up. I wouldn't getnever left New York.
Yeah. Why would I go to New Yorkto move to Florida?
DeShawn (13:36):
Yeah. That's how I feel too. God had to knock me Yeah.
Skido (13:40):
It ain't a religious thing, it's a relationship.
DeShawn (13:42):
Right.
Skido (13:43):
Of But, I don't know about y'all, but I know my pain
and suffering, who I used to be,and the people that know me, I
know the God I serve.
DeShawn (13:50):
Amen.
Skido (13:51):
Let's get clear. And I'm not judging y'all, I know who I
was.
DeShawn (13:56):
It's one thing knowing God, it's another thing
experiencing And so, know, whenI went through my journey,
knowing that, you know, God hasgot your back no matter what,
he's not man, he's gonna lie,you know, and all of that, and
he's not gonna leave you and allthis stuff, like, have a
different appreciation.
Skido (14:11):
Yeah. Have man, I have a grateful appreciation, but it's
this thing, when I was young,and my friends to this day call
me from prison, from before theywere ready to do something. You
don't understand. Like, I knowthousands of people. Like, if I
was on that dark side, it'd be aproblem.
DeShawn (14:27):
Right.
Skido (14:27):
God said, oh, no, no, no, no. Because I'm a leader.
Dispatch. Yeah. No.
Like, I really am that. You knowwhat I'm saying? Mhmm. But the
thing is, I'm built for thatwar, but God has me for a
different war.
DeShawn (14:38):
Absolutely.
Skido (14:38):
But I'm not afraid of nothing. You know I'm saying? So
I'm not caught up in people'sriches and money. And then when
they see I'm really like that,it's like, yo
DeShawn (14:50):
Then they love you.
Skido (14:51):
Yeah. But it's not I'm not trying to cut you down. I'm
happy for everybody. Absolutely.But I'm not gonna I'm not a yes
person or ungrateful you know,like, trying to put
DeShawn (15:00):
you down. Probably, like, different. So they're not
because a lot of times whenpeople, they have a group of yes
men. So when there's that oneperson that's not that, I'm
like, oh, he's different. Andthen, you know, they actually
gravitate towards it.
Yeah. I don't like people.
Skido (15:14):
I know you wonder if I like you, I'm with you all the
DeShawn (15:17):
Right.
Skido (15:19):
I didn't like you being late today. You know what I'm
saying? That don't
DeShawn (15:22):
mean I don't love you. You know, mean,
Skido (15:25):
we're when I say we're doing this show, we're gonna be
so real with this. I might goleft a couple of times, but
we're not doing that, whateverybody else is doing.
DeShawn (15:34):
No. Of course not.
Skido (15:34):
So when they come on this show, even, you know, we're
gonna have you know, we got alot
DeShawn (15:38):
of guests ready to And this celebrity,
Skido (15:40):
it got his favor. But me and you got something that's
special, and and I respecteverything you do. And I love
the way you came out of what youcame out of.
DeShawn (15:49):
Thank you.
Skido (15:50):
But a lot of women need to hear that. Yeah. Because
you've been in a shell. And thenand no. No.
We we flipping it now.
DeShawn (15:58):
I'm popping
Skido (15:58):
out now. And and I shared a little bit of you. You didn't
come from the little mansion.You didn't come from you came
from Detroit.
DeShawn (16:05):
I came from Detroit.
Skido (16:06):
And you and you kinda lost yourself doing all of that.
DeShawn (16:09):
Me and yourself I indulge. I
Skido (16:12):
you had
DeShawn (16:14):
I was in my bubble for like most of my adult life, so
Skido (16:19):
No, but no.
DeShawn (16:19):
But that bubble's But
Skido (16:20):
the bubble is what where where you came from, there's
nothing wrong with it. Whatwe're saying is anybody could
get caught up.
DeShawn (16:27):
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
Skido (16:28):
So you it's not
DeShawn (16:28):
But my foundation is the reason why I didn't break.
Skido (16:31):
Yeah. Because Yeah.
DeShawn (16:33):
You know what I'm saying?
Skido (16:33):
But What I'm saying is when we was talking is, where
you came from was from humblebeginnings.
DeShawn (16:40):
Absolutely.
Skido (16:41):
Where you went was on mansions and and caught up in
and what's and what you and whoyou are is you want the best.
That's cool. But what balancesyou, you can never that's what
keeps the balance when you bringwhat you came from into reality.
So when you look, when you whenyou're there and you you get to
the bubble, some people get inthat bubble and forget it. It's
(17:03):
nothing.
It's it's okay. But that is whatthe balance is when you come
from that, is that to rememberto bring it in front of you so
you can never get caught up in abubble. And sometimes with that,
it could go into friendships andrelationships and marriages
where you you you get caught upin the hype that you forget the
details of little things that'sBut, you know, we go into that.
(17:25):
But
DeShawn (17:25):
Yeah. But, you know, that's why I always say, like,
God can trust me this next timearound.
Skido (17:28):
Oh, really? Why? Why do say that?
DeShawn (17:31):
Because I'm a totally different person.
Skido (17:32):
Really?
DeShawn (17:32):
Yeah. And so I think it's different. I think it's
different now.
Skido (17:36):
It is? Yeah. What's different?
DeShawn (17:38):
I'm different. You know what I'm saying? Like, so when
you go when you have different.
Skido (17:42):
Don't And, let's take out the are you kicking me to stop
Oh, know. I hope you're not.Keep going. I said, let's keep
it a hundred. No, know, I keepit real.
You've got me on this show. Iain't gonna stop talking. But, I
I respect you, d, because I Iknow you. But and when you
(18:05):
explain things to me and I'vebeen in this game a long time. I
wasn't on TV, but I I alwaysbeen behind the scenes.
And people lose themselves.Yeah. Not a bad thing. You pink
DeShawn (18:15):
kid. Natural.
Skido (18:16):
But the snapping out of that reality or delusion and
what oh, oh, oh, no. No. No. No.You gotta get you gotta get back
to
DeShawn (18:24):
Well, sometimes life can snap you out of it.
Skido (18:26):
Yeah. Life can snap you out of it. Life can
DeShawn (18:28):
you out of to
Skido (18:29):
them how you got in it and what happened, and how did
you get out of it. How are youcoming out of it? Can you tell
me that?
DeShawn (18:36):
Sure. Which part?
Skido (18:38):
Let's start from what what you wanna go from the
humble beginnings?
DeShawn (18:42):
Where do wanna start from? I'm from Detroit,
Michigan. Okay. Grew up inSouthwest Detroit.
Skido (18:46):
Yeah.
DeShawn (18:47):
Yeah. Went to college in Michigan. That's where I met
my then husband, my collegesweetheart.
Skido (18:54):
Name? They wanna know the name. What's the
DeShawn (18:58):
Eric Snow.
Skido (18:59):
What do you want me to remix? I don't want ain't saying
this. Everybody in the world
DeShawn (19:04):
know We, you know, we dated all throughout college.
Okay. Then graduated, and hewent into the pros. And I
actually had my degree inmarketing, and I had a job as a
branch manager trainee. So I wasin Detroit, and I was like,
well, I'm not gonna come.
You know, I wanna make surethat's what you want and all of
that. And so but by thatChristmas so he got drafted by
(19:25):
Seattle, and then that Christmasby Christmas time, he proposed
that first Christmas.
Skido (19:30):
Oh, from college, straight proposed, but you you
was So when we got
DeShawn (19:33):
married to two years later. Yeah. So, no. And so I
was yeah, I had a job, and thenwhen I moved to Seattle, I got
because I was working in thebanking industry, so I got a job
there.
Skido (19:42):
Okay.
DeShawn (19:42):
So I remember even during the playoffs, like, all
the wives and girlfriends wasgoing, and I was studying
getting my series six in '63.But as soon as I got married,
then I stopped working. ButOkay. For the bank. Yeah.
So anyways, had a good marriage,you know, until it wasn't. And
then
Skido (20:02):
What happened?
DeShawn (20:04):
We grew apart. It was a lot of things.
Skido (20:07):
What happened? We're not we aren't why are you putting me
on this show?
DeShawn (20:10):
He divorced
Skido (20:11):
me. You no. No.
DeShawn (20:12):
So we're divorced. He divorced me. He filed for
divorce.
Skido (20:14):
But what happened? See, you're going this is what I'm
trying to say. We're over thedivorce. Everybody in the world
knows about it. I want you totell them.
They wanna know and I whathappened? What you think
happened?
DeShawn (20:29):
My part in it is I didn't we grew apart,
apparently. But I was kindacaught up in myself, too, a lot.
Skido (20:41):
Okay.
DeShawn (20:42):
And there's a lot of miss you know, a lot of things
that I, you know, I wasn'tdoing. I don't know.
Skido (20:47):
This ain't the blame game.
DeShawn (20:48):
Right.
Skido (20:49):
Right. I just try don't blame yourself because right,
wrong, wrong is right. I'mtrying to where do you okay.
This is for everybody that's gotcaught up in that bubble. Let's
free people.
This is to show that we're notdoing that.
DeShawn (20:59):
So when it happens, okay, and then when it's over,
then you fear like, because Ifelt my life was over. I felt I
couldn't live without him.Right? Okay. But obviously, you
know, that wasn't the case.
So I had to go through a periodbecause even though I had my own
foundation helping teenage girlswith self esteem issues, I had
my own real estate brokerage,EDJ Realty. I was doing stuff. I
was a business person, but, youknow, I was a wife, I was a
(21:23):
mother, I was I was I was happyto have those titles. So when
you're no longer that, thenyou're kinda like, well, who am
I? So I went through a period ofthat, and then and then I went
through a period where I didn'teven want to, like, play life.
Like, I I I didn't like it. Ididn't like my situation, and I
didn't, you know so I justchecked out, you know?
Skido (21:42):
So you checked out is what made him check out?
DeShawn (21:44):
No, no. This is I'm talking post divorce.
Skido (21:47):
Okay. But but I'm trying to get it from the the
beginning. You're going too farahead. Come on. You you keep
going
DeShawn (21:53):
around
it
and get to
Skido (21:53):
So he
DeShawn (21:53):
divorced me. Had he had another family.
Skido (22:06):
During your marriage? He had another family?
DeShawn (22:08):
Toward the end.
Skido (22:09):
And this is when you had the real estate, when you was
getting
DeShawn (22:11):
married? Well, was after, because once I got on the
show, I stopped doing all ofthat.
Skido (22:15):
Okay. Where did you see I'm just I'm trying
DeShawn (22:18):
to figure I mean, I found out at the end.
Skido (22:20):
At the end, you found
DeShawn (22:21):
I mean, he told me in advance, and then we were
working on it, and then weweren't. I thought we were
working on it, and then he saidhe wanted divorce.
Skido (22:29):
Okay. Do you feel you
DeShawn (22:30):
got No. And
Skido (22:31):
I this is indeed this is people that's in it now. Yes.
Where did you feel like y'ally'all were probably sweet and
cute along in the beginning.
DeShawn (22:40):
I didn't know that things were like they were.
Skido (22:43):
Why?
DeShawn (22:44):
I don't maybe because I was just delusional or whatever.
It's not like, you know, peopleassume that, you know, it was
this bad marriage and he wasdoing all this, and that was not
case. Wasn't my truth. You knowwhat I mean?
Skido (22:54):
Alright.
DeShawn (22:55):
So I didn't I didn't know.
Skido (22:56):
He didn't treat you wrong or abuse you and do the crazy
No.
DeShawn (22:59):
He was a great husband.
Skido (23:00):
Was a good but there
DeShawn (23:01):
was a certain And a father, a great father.
Skido (23:03):
But but can I ask you something?
DeShawn (23:04):
Sure.
Skido (23:05):
Based on you coming not and not this is he's wrong for
that, period. No. I but but no.No. Everybody tries to blame
himself.
Let's let me this is my opinion.
DeShawn (23:16):
I wasn't
Skido (23:16):
You was in college. You was driven. You had career,
things you wanted to do in life.
DeShawn (23:21):
Yes.
Skido (23:22):
Being with him enhanced that to make it easier. And then
y'all both got into the life ofsuccess. Do you feel once you
started the high life and evenhis success is your success
because you're still driven thatyou started to get into your
funding and brand and kind offorget a little bit about him?
Because, you know, men are likekids. We need to have attention
(23:44):
to certain things, but remember,you're still career driven.
There's nothing wrong with yourcareer in your But marriage is a
whole
DeShawn (23:51):
another move. I dropped the ball a lot of the times.
Okay.
Skido (23:53):
So
DeShawn (23:54):
I had I started my own well, the foundation was, you
know, that didn't take me away,but EDJ Realty. Okay. So I got
my real estate license, and Ireally just got license because
I think he was telling me noabout something. And so I was
like, well, I'm just gonna workand make my own money.
Skido (24:10):
So was telling you know about what?
DeShawn (24:12):
Landscaping at the house in Ohio, which is not our
main house.
Skido (24:16):
Okay.
DeShawn (24:16):
So it didn't make sense to do all of that in a house
that's not your main house, butI wanted it.
Skido (24:21):
Okay.
DeShawn (24:21):
So I was like, I'll just go get a job and make my
own money.
Skido (24:24):
So he well, I mean, he was talking to you as a husband
Yeah. About something, but youwas like, well, if you ain't
gonna get I'm a go get my ownwhatever.
DeShawn (24:32):
Like, he That was just kinda what I was on.
Skido (24:33):
You was on. And so so you you kinda was, like, kinda
little arrogant, like, you'rehard headed, like, you know
DeShawn (24:39):
My hard headed.
Skido (24:40):
Not the wife
DeShawn (24:41):
because one of the things
Skido (24:41):
like this, and I said we're not doing I don't wanna do
anything like I
DeShawn (24:45):
wasn't like, whatever, but I was just like, whatever,
but not like
Skido (24:48):
What did you just say?
DeShawn (24:49):
I wasn't like, in your face whatever.
Skido (24:51):
No, no, you just twisted that. You it was whatever.
DeShawn (24:54):
Okay.
Skido (24:54):
Okay. You just went in a whole circle. I don't know what
that is. We ain't doing
DeShawn (24:57):
Okay. Anyway, the point is Okay. The point is so I went
to go get my real estatelicense, and I think anybody
that knows a lot of people Okay.You should definitely get
because you can always doreferrals. And so, the realtor
that I was working with well,actually, we was getting the
house here, so I know therealtor I was working with that
bought the house here
Skido (25:15):
Mhmm.
DeShawn (25:15):
I realized that she was working for someone else. Like,
she was a broker for someoneelse's company.
Skido (25:21):
Mhmm.
DeShawn (25:21):
And so I was gonna get a real estate license and do it
with that, but I was like, well,I might as well just have my own
company. Then, I was never abroker, I just hired a broker.
Skido (25:30):
So you had people working for you?
DeShawn (25:31):
Yeah, and I had the broker managing the thing. Okay.
So it went from not just megetting my license, but me
running a company. Okay. So thatrequired me not necessarily
required me I was back and forthfrom Ohio to Atlanta.
Our main house was in Atlanta. Iwas in Atlanta Three To Four
Days a week.
Skido (25:46):
So, basically, not to cut you off, so let's get back to
the husband and wife thing. So,you got So,
DeShawn (25:53):
I opened the door. I had no business going back and
forth like that, like I needed ajob.
Skido (25:58):
So, basically, what people need to understand is a
marriage is a partnership.
DeShawn (26:02):
Is a partnership.
Skido (26:03):
There's a king and there's a queen.
DeShawn (26:05):
Absolutely.
Skido (26:06):
Some of y'all I'm not and I'm the king. Ain't no woman
trying to be the king with me.And now let me let me get that
in my words. I don't want y'allbe be out here protesting
against me, which I don't reallygive a shit. But what I'm
saying, this is skit skitotalking.
I'm a treat my queen like she aqueen, but she gotta know she a
queen. We don't need two men inthe house. The thing with these
(26:27):
women, when a man's successful,they still need that lady. They
need that. Because a man is thatnurturing thing.
DeShawn (26:33):
Mhmm.
Skido (26:33):
Kings always need nurturing. You know what I'm
saying? But a but a king alsonurtures his wife. Right. But if
you want some other things ofboss stuff and all of that, and
you it's you're automaticseparating the bond, not judging
it.
It's okay because everybody'syoung and
DeShawn (26:50):
No, but I didn't go about it right. I mean, I was my
my motivations weren't it wasnot family first.
Skido (26:57):
Oh, okay.
DeShawn (26:57):
So I acknowledge that. You know,
Skido (26:59):
so I
DeShawn (26:59):
Well, that's real. Part of the reason, you know, we're
not together. I acknowledge mypart in it, you know. Especially
when you when you're healing,you have to it's not about the
other person, it's about you. Sowhat was the part that you
played in it?
So I definitely played thatpart. I was me focused, and it
was what I wanted, and so I justdid what I wanted I mean, my
(27:20):
cousin lived with us, so shehelped with the kids. I could go
back and forth. I was allowed togo back and forth, and so I went
back and forth, but I shouldhave kept my butt home.
Skido (27:28):
What would you not and it's not to get let's we what
would you do different?
DeShawn (27:33):
I would stay
Skido (27:34):
The same what would you do different What
DeShawn (27:36):
I would do different for you?
Skido (27:37):
To help the people that's in that right now before they
started?
DeShawn (27:41):
Be a team. And and let him know. I mean, because Eric
was always very supportive.
Skido (27:47):
Okay.
DeShawn (27:47):
So, I would've it's not like, oh, sweetheart, I have
this burning desire to open up areal estate firm. That was kinda
like, oh, you telling me no, letme go my license. Oh, I'm not
gonna go work for somebody else,I'll just work for myself. And
it just kinda snowballed fromthere. And then I was, like,
doing stuff, I was in thecommunity, and I was, like,
doing I was my own person, I wasDeshaun.
I mean, was still Eric's wife,but I was making moves.
Skido (28:09):
Mhmm.
DeShawn (28:10):
Not as his wife, but as me. Mhmm. So, you know, I got
caught up in that. Mhmm. But inhindsight, I shouldn't have
never done any of that, becausehe provided a wonderful home.
There was really ever no lack.That was all from my ambitions.
I was overly ambitious
Skido (28:27):
Okay, lady.
DeShawn (28:28):
And I didn't have the right order. So everything
you're saying, which is true,like, I wanna be a queen, and I
ain't trying to be no king. Andeven then, though, I don't think
it was I was consciously tryingto be a king. I was just like,
well, telling me, no, I'm a justgo to
Skido (28:49):
Okay.
DeShawn (28:49):
I mean, it really started from telling me.
Skido (28:51):
That's cool. That's what it is. But
DeShawn (28:54):
But I'm no longer that person.
Skido (28:56):
So This is
DeShawn (28:57):
the main thing. Because I can praise God about it,
because I'm no longer thatperson. So I can talk about it
now.
Skido (29:01):
That's what's up.
DeShawn (29:02):
I'm not a person.
Skido (29:03):
I wanna tell you something. This wasn't personal
for us, for me, because I don'tI know your whole thing. This
was for everybody else that'sgetting caught up in that. You
know, you know my love for you.You're my sis.
So but at the end of the day, ifwe we can help we can help each
other, because this show isgonna be about helping us get
better. Mhmm. But we alsohelping everybody else. Don't
(29:24):
get caught up in it.
DeShawn (29:25):
Don't get caught up.
Skido (29:25):
You understand what saying? Don't get caught If you
got a good man, which I see he
DeShawn (29:28):
looked like That's a man.
Skido (29:29):
He didn't fight it. But he had needs, and he felt like,
you when you was on that, can'ttell me what to do. I'm a do
what I do. And he
DeShawn (29:37):
But not really disrespectful. He could
Skido (29:39):
have been aggressive, like, y'all could have been
like, yo, you talk like, itcould have been that. He was
when men get quiet me tell yousomething, when men get quiet
DeShawn (29:47):
They check up.
Skido (29:47):
And they be like and they ain't gotta hit you. There's
good men out here. They ain'tgotta do nothing. When they can
start getting quiet, there's aproblem. And then what happens,
the more quiet, because he's notsaying nothing, your ego,
whatever, driven is gettingbigger.
So now, because nobody'schecking it, that thing is a
monster now. And nothing towardsyou. You got women don't know
(30:08):
that. They be thinking that, oh,got my man good, he good, you so
lost that he's quiet. He's like,oh, okay.
He don't feel like a king, hedon't feel like the provider,
he's giving you, he's doing thebest he can, because people has
ambition and drive, which isgood, you could work with them,
but when men get quiet, ladies
DeShawn (30:28):
This is facts.
Skido (30:28):
Understand something, and and and that's when it's bad.
When they not arguing with you,they're not debating when they
get you shut him down. And whenhe shut down, that's how the
next woman come. And it don'tmean that he loves the woman. He
don't even care about it.
Don't lose yourself thinking,that woman was better than you,
and she might be, you're pretty,is she ugly, or whatever. It
(30:52):
wasn't about the look. At thatmoment, he felt like the
weakest. And this is from aman's perspective. He felt like,
damn, I got the world and mywoman still I still can't get
her to respect me.
Respect Well,
DeShawn (31:05):
I don't think I ever disrespect No,
Skido (31:06):
no, You disrespect when you go against what he's saying.
And I'm giving you from ourside. You can hold this.
DeShawn (31:14):
No. This is real talk.
Skido (31:15):
You know what I'm saying?
DeShawn (31:16):
This is this is he definitely We're
Skido (31:18):
being 10 steps ahead. This is what it's all about. So
right now is if if if I'm sayingthings and you block it, that is
that's that's that's what it is.So they shut down, and then they
look. You know what I'm saying?
But and then it it don't meannothing to the person they with.
Believe me, deep in his heart,he this he loved his family.
Mhmm. This is the what I'mhearing he's a great person.
(31:41):
Mhmm.
Yes. And not to judge. He made amistake. I know he regrets that.
DeShawn (31:44):
We're making mistakes.
Skido (31:45):
The way he handled it. And I know the way you did, you
had, you regret it. But now,we're about to make this better.
So now, coming out of this,we're gonna do better. So and
they needed to hear that.
DeShawn (31:55):
And you do not And you're right, because, you know,
afterwards, I would wonder,like, how is this so easy? How
is this so easy? But because hehad already checked out, so men
do check out. Can still be theredoing all the things, but
checked out. And then, I'm sonot even in tune Mhmm.
(32:17):
To even know that he checkedout. That's all on me.
Skido (32:19):
Driven. It's not
DeShawn (32:21):
I mean, I was driven, but I was also it wasn't an
ambition. I mean, was a littleambition, but it was me just
wanting to be me.
Skido (32:29):
Yeah. Yeah. You could do that when you're single and
you're doing all that. Marriageis a whole another animal.
DeShawn (32:34):
No.
Skido (32:35):
Not to judge you you that's what I said. You would
definitely be a different foundLuther. You'll be a different
person because we learn.
DeShawn (32:41):
Mhmm.
Skido (32:42):
Right? But I'm telling you, you're helping. They really
wanted to know. I know that. Andthis is and this is the thing
about it.
You know me. I'm not we're notthis show is I know. Had a we
had an agreement. You said,we're not dancing around shit.
And I'm a keep it real with you,but we're not gonna you know, I
don't know how to dance, do thedance thing.
DeShawn (32:57):
Yes.
Skido (32:58):
So, but so, you know, I might be the host today, you
have another host tomorrow.Don't call me, because you know
what it is. At the same time, Iapplaud you because when they
get from the show, we're gonnaget somebody's gonna be
delivered
DeShawn (33:11):
from Oh, for sure.
Skido (33:12):
For You're gonna save other marriages, and they're
gonna actually stop what theydoing and go, wait a minute.
Because when you lose something,ain't a lot of good men out
there.
DeShawn (33:21):
Oh, And
Skido (33:21):
ain't a lot of good women out there. So at the same time,
this is this is this is we justwanted to get all this out the
way, all the junk out
DeShawn (33:29):
of No. But these are these are great points because
it is true, and and this is,like, how I will be different in
my next marriage, for sure.
Skido (33:35):
Oh,
DeShawn (33:35):
okay. I think Eric was a great man, and I just had a
lot of liberties that I took.
Skido (33:41):
Mhmm. Got you.
DeShawn (33:42):
And I was, know but we don't we don't get a manual in
how to do it. Know I'm saying? Iwas supposed to break the
generational curse. You know, mymom my parents were divorced.
You know what I'm saying?
It's not like I had a lot ofstuff, but you kinda get into a
life and you just get into aworld and and it went to my
head, I guess. If that's whatyou wanna call it.
Skido (34:02):
Hey, we we we both we
DeShawn (34:03):
both take care But the thing is, though, what happens
is because God, you know, Godgives us grace, of course, but
when he has a calling and apurpose for your life, he not
gonna just sit around foreverwaiting on you. Yeah, you're he
see you not moving quick enough,then he will snatch everything
from you.
Skido (34:20):
Oh, And
DeShawn (34:21):
so that's what he did. He snatched everything from me.
He brought me to my knees, and Ithink he wouldn't have I
wouldn't know him the way that Ido if that not had happened. So,
he had to take it from me. So,when I look back on things, I
don't look at it as like, oh, heleft me this and that.
Mean, I have my moments, but Irealized it was it had to been
(34:42):
that way. Does that make sense?
Skido (34:46):
I'm a ask you something. When you lost when you got
stripped from everything,because we all we all been
through something like that, Didyou hate God or did you thank
him?
DeShawn (34:57):
I don't know that I thanked him. I def never hated
him.
Skido (34:59):
You know, angry. You're upset.
DeShawn (35:01):
Angry. Yeah. Yeah. No. Angry.
No. Wasn't angry. I was angrywith myself.
Skido (35:04):
Okay. But you never blamed God?
DeShawn (35:06):
I was never blamed God. I mean, I still deal with shame
and guilt, you know. A lot oftimes I feel like, you know, my
sisters and them, they'll say,you know, Shonda, that cookie
was gonna crumble. You know whatI'm saying? It was gonna crumble
anyways.
Like, I feel like if if I didthis or if I did this or I
didn't do this, you know, so Itake blank, you know, I feel
Skido (35:25):
That's how you still feel today?
DeShawn (35:27):
Sometimes it's still creepy. It's remnants of that.
Skido (35:30):
So I'm a give you a thing of feeling guilty, y'all. Don't.
DeShawn (35:35):
Right. Because God forgave us. No condemnation in
God.
Skido (35:37):
Yeah. But I know. But I think they need to really
understand what guilt is. Right?That's something that makes you
suffer.
Mhmm. And God don't want you tosuffer. You know what I'm
saying? First of all, whenyou've done something and
everybody that's looking in thiscamera and understand, there's
no person without fault in thisworld. Stop.
Y'all just do things that peoplejust don't know about it, or or
(35:59):
it's about there's a lot ofthings people are doing that
ain't been exposed. Stop. That'swhat's you see what's going on
out here. Right?
DeShawn (36:05):
Yeah.
Skido (36:05):
So, you know, when God says stop, he means stop. He's
either going to strip you orhe's going to expose you. Y'all
understand that? Yeah. So, thoseare the two things, strip you or
expose you, meaning you're notgetting away with nothing.
Right. So, your best thing isstart doing the right thing.
He's giving you mercy and graceto do the right thing. So when
he say he forgive you, it'sover. Look at that because
(36:27):
nobody can throw nothing atnobody.
I just wanted to let the peopleknow that, you know you know, if
you've done something, shake itoff, you know, get back on your
feet, God forgave you, The worldwill always throw stones. That's
how people are. But once yourman that gives you air to
breathe and move around
DeShawn (36:43):
You better preach.
Skido (36:44):
No. I'm not don't start that. You're it, and I gotta
chill on me. What the heck
DeShawn (36:50):
is that? Know I'm a minister too, though. Right?
Skido (36:54):
That's no. No. No. Not you. We're not doing that.
You know I'm saying?
DeShawn (36:57):
We're not doing that.
Skido (36:58):
It's okay.
DeShawn (36:59):
Alright. Life. Deep.
Skido (37:01):
Yeah. Alright. So, anyway, we got therapy, we got
ministry, we got all kinds ofstuff going on, and we all off.
By the end of the day, we wegotta save some lives out here.
So if this helps the next womanor man, just don't give up if
they're good, I'm telling you,because when you lose them, it
takes a long time to get them.
(37:23):
And Yeah. Dee could tell youright now, it's hard for her to
find a good man. She's she'sshe's a beautiful woman, a
successful woman, but she's notjust settling for anything
because she knows what good is.
DeShawn (37:36):
And I know what love feels like.
Skido (37:38):
And you know what it is They
DeShawn (37:39):
truly love me. So I've I've experienced that. So you
can't give me a counterfeit.
Skido (37:44):
Oh, I like that word, counterfeit. Don't y'all been
getting along with the y'allbeen getting with the
counterfeits, and that's whyy'all been don't listen, man. A
man gonna be a man. Right. Youknow what I'm saying?
A man don't need a woman to takecare of Right. That's another
sign. I done been in
DeShawn (37:59):
Well, I that's foreign to
Skido (38:00):
me. Yeah. But that ain't foreign today. I see women
DeShawn (38:02):
I know. I see.
Skido (38:03):
Credit cards doing this and doing that. I'm not saying
you're not holding him down andhe's not doing something. But
when they sit in there, you yougot it, I lost my wallet, and
doing all that, these are allbad signs. You It's a different
world today. The ones that gotmarriages and the ones that are
on
DeShawn (38:20):
Worked
Skido (38:20):
out. Caught up in the bubble and got lost, I think
they needed to hear that fromyou. And I I appreciate that,
Will. Was going Yeah. Thoughtyou was kicking me to stop,
because I wasn't stopping.
I don't care how your heelslook, but what's going on. So,
but No.
DeShawn (38:34):
It's important, like, keep keep God first and keep you
know what I'm saying? If you nowit just it does take two, but,
you know and another thing Iwill always say is remember
you're always on the same team.Yes. Because, like, your
teammate don't want bad for you.Yeah.
So if your teammate falls short,it's not because you know, you
you're not defensive because youknow he got your back, it's your
teammate. Exactly. But when youdon't realize that y'all on the
(38:56):
same team, then you're like, oh,this and all that, you know what
I'm saying? So, I think nexttime around, you know,
definitely, you know, my mate ismy teammate, which he was my
teammate anyways, but justrealizing that. King is first,
and, like, I don't wanna do Imean, so what I will do, what
I've learned, because, like, Iclosed my real estate company,
so now I'm with Sotheby's, but Iclosed that before, like, during
(39:18):
Housewives and stuff.
But, like, I wish I never shuteverything down because then I
had to start over. Could've justwent back Everything happened
Reese. Happened for
Skido (39:26):
You can't stop what was destined. Yeah, that's true. We
we we good off of that. So, thatnote, I'm proud of you, man.
Thank you, Steve.
I see that. I see you workingout doing push ups boxing. Like,
was like, yo, she about to getdo what she doing? I Yeah. Doing
something.
You don't I seen you couple ofmonths ago. You know, I had the
restaurant up there. You know,we did the thing. And and I was
(39:47):
like, yo, d, I was he was like,yo, I'm on a mission. And when
you told me, yo, I saw you goingto some whole matrix workout,
kick ass.
I'm like, yo, d getting it. Youknow what I'm saying? And I was,
you know, I was proud of that.And I've seen your whole
mindset's different. You feellighter.
DeShawn (40:02):
You lighter. I'm trying to, like, live like know,
instead of acting happy, I wantto be happy. Because I know how
to I act happy.
Skido (40:11):
Yeah. Yeah.
DeShawn (40:12):
You just do the things.
Skido (40:13):
But I want to really
DeShawn (40:15):
Everybody's acting happy. But I want to really be
happy. Yeah. And I knowhappiness is fleeting, it's
emotional. Mean, really, thingis joy, right?
You're supposed to haveregardless of circumstances.
Yeah. So I have joy, or I'mworking towards joy, but I want
happiness too.
Skido (40:27):
Yeah.
DeShawn (40:27):
I want happiness too.
Skido (40:28):
Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? I think I want everybody
to be happy. I don't like miseryaround me.
DeShawn (40:34):
Yeah. I'm not miserable, but I'm not content.
Yeah. But I'm trying to bebecause I don't because I know
so much in store. There's somuch Well,
Skido (40:41):
we got five, four you know, gotta watch everything.
I'm watching you. I'm watchingthe clock. I'm watching and
listen. We keeping it real herebecause this is our first
podcast, so we're getting thefeel.
What you see, we're killing it.So you might see me look over
here, look over there. We're notthis is we're be who we're be.
You know what saying? I don'teven know how much time.
I know there's a time. Thinkit's 45. Right? So we're good.
(41:02):
We're wrapping it up.
We gotta do this.
DeShawn (41:04):
We'll catch you on the next side.
Skido (41:05):
We'll catch you on the next side.
DeShawn (41:06):
Because you got interesting stories.
Skido (41:07):
Oh, we got you.
DeShawn (41:08):
Got, you know because now you're transitioning from
the behind the scenes to infront of the scenes. I wanna
talk to you all about that inthe next episode.
Skido (41:16):
Oh my goodness. And then we gotta talk about a lot of
things that's going on out here.Yeah.
DeShawn (41:20):
Hot And our
Skido (41:20):
perspectives on the hot topics and everything, how we
feel about it and the thingsthat are going on. Man, I'm
loving this.
DeShawn (41:26):
I'm loving it.
Skido (41:26):
We're 10 Steps Ahead, boxed. We go this is chess,
baby, not checkers.
DeShawn (41:31):
Let's go. That. Let's go.
Skido (41:33):
Like right now, man. So So let's get it going. 10 Steps
Ahead. We're looking forward toit, man. I'm blessed right now,
d.
I'm blessed to
DeShawn (41:40):
be sharing
Skido (41:40):
the stage
DeShawn (41:41):
with you. This journey with you.
Skido (41:42):
Oh, let's go, man. We got a lot to go. Let's go. Alright.
DeShawn (41:46):
Alright. Love and light.
Skido (41:47):
Love and light. Let's go.
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