March 2, 2022 • 51 mins
Richard and Daisy recently talked to their friends who gave them a compelling argument for trying DMT. However, due to a few moral issues, they are struggling with finding the right way to try it out. Is it worth it?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Salute, my love salute.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
All Right, welcome to Tequila.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Talk Miami edition. Yes, what a strange week.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
What a sad and strange week.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, I mean we're really at we're in this precarious
situation where we don't know how much this war between
Russia and Ukraine is going to escalate to the point
where it involves the world.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, I mean, we've all been watching the footage and
we're all a kind of shocked and disgusted by what's happening.
Something that should not be happening. No, there's no real reason,
not that there's ever real reason for sending children to
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kill each other and kill innocent people.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And the fact that we as a species have not
evolved past the last you know, for at any point
in any way when it comes to that, Yeah, it's
so what you do is you focus on you try
to keep up with what's going on. The Other thing
that's really frustrating is I have really gotten to the
(01:29):
point where there is no trustworthy source of news in
my opinion, there's no place that I trust to give
me the right story.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And I don't want to sound like an old man,
but like when I was growing up, the news organizations
had such a responsibility to get it right, and then
sometime in my late teens and twenties, there was this
shift in the eighties where it really became about getting
it first. If it's not right, we'll correct it later.
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We just want to be the first to deliver the news.
And that slippery slope is where is where we're at
a place where at least in America probably, I'm sure
this is true around the world, but yeah, in America,
we don't. People generally don't trust their news sources because
you can't, no, and there's a.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Lot of people who just trust like their Facebook at.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, exactly, and there's no the problem. Part of the
problem is that there have been no repercussions for news
organizations getting it wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
That's that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
My point is, you know, at a time when we
don't trust our news sources, we have to just go
with what we're seeing in a given moment, in a SoundBite. So, yeah,
you have Zelenski, who is a rock star, who's you know,
a hero, a hero, but not just Zelenska, I mean
Zilanski is just remarkable.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, but the people, the people.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Of Ukraine who are saying no, no, no, no. I mean, look,
let's not forget thousands and thousands and thousands of them
are fleeing or trying to flee.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, and there's the whole other problem. There's a whole
other shit show with that, because they are all sorts
of problems. When people just get desperate and you've got children,
and you've got the elderly, and you've got sick people,
it gets very you know me first, and screw you
kind of attitude. Even though they are all joined together
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and they are all just trying to survive, there's, you know,
from what I understand, a whole other series of fuck
are you going on with that, as you can imagine,
because we're human after all, and we haven't evolved much,
and that's why we're in this situation and we're forced
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to watch, you know, young soldiers going to going somewhere
and just bombing and killing innocent people because some crazy
man's need for power. You know, these these innocent soldiers
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don't don't even know what they're fighting for.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
No, that was in the first couple of days of
the Russian invasion. And again, this is just what I
got from several news sources. There were Russian soldiers who
were captured who said, we didn't even know that this
was a quote war. We were we were told to
come here for exercises. Yeah, so they're you know of.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
That is true, but it would not surprise surprise me.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You're dealing with, first of all, mad man, a complete madman.
In Putin's he's.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
A psychopath, like Hitler esque psychopath.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
He's just insane and and evil and cruel and just
there's no redeeming quality about this man.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
No, And and the real scary thing is, you know,
my son, Lucas's his and I said, we were talking
about it because he's really interested and involved in state
of affairs. And I said, you know, part of the
problem is that the story we're being given, at least
here in America is.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Just this sort of.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Bruce Willis movie, like the Ukrainians are just fighting back
and they're taking it. They're taking they're holding their ground.
And Okay, I hope so, but there's also a possibility
that it's a lot more dire over there than we Yeah,
and it can shift in any moment, let alone any day.
And I said, you know, we're at a point now
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where the scary thing is that Putin is so insane.
There's no way he's going to back down now, he
will not.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I think he has to be taken down.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Well, that's for sure. But he said he's cross he's
crossed this line with the world. You know. Look, MasterCard
and Visa are now cut cut off their association with
Russian banks. He's the sanctions not just from America but
throughout the world solely but surely are going to be
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crushing absolutely, and it really affects the Russian people. But
they're also going after Putin's personal ship, right.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, killing him. It must be just eating him
up alive.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
When you keep poking a bear like that. He's so
crazy that he's he's the kind of person that would
just to not back down, blow up the world if
he could.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, that's the real danger.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The ultimate sociopath he's.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Going to be. You know, well, if I can't live,
then nobody can.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So if you corner him and you push him to
the to the brink, somebody who's that insane with that
much power is very dangerous.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well to see the world kind of turning on him,
and his own people now are turning on him because
he has turned his country into, you know, an isolated,
unspeakable area of the world. And you know, Zelensky has
becoming has been becoming a global hero, right. Yeah, I
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hope so too. That you know, he's kind of got
this moral worth and people look up to him, and
he never he never thought that that would happen, and
so now that must be making it worse for him.
And you're right, the psychological the psychological messing of his
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mind like this, I think is even worse.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, for those of you who didn't hear about it,
I think it was day two, maybe day three, but
I'm going to say day two of the invasion last week.
American envoys or whatever you call them, like people who
got into to Russia too, I mean, to Ukraine to
extricate him if he wanted. They went to basically say
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we'll get you to safety. So let's get you out here.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
He turned to them and said, I need ammunition, I
don't need a ride.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
It is such a powerful quote of war.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, and a guy who's like, I'm not leaving my people.
He's not Ted Cruz, you know, he's like Ted Cruz
packed up and went to the fucking Caymans because he
was like or Cankun because he abandoned his people.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
What's happening to Storm that's amazing is that average Ukrainians,
you know, with no combat experience, most of them from
across Europe, are returning to their country to fight the Russians.
So people who are from Ukraine, who are in other
places of the world and around Europe are now returning
home to fight. That's and even non Ukrainians are starting
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to join. From what I've been reading and seeing, people
from across the globe have been protesting the war, which
is which is understanding Iran.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
That's what's like when you saw demonstrations and protesting Iran saying.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Fuck Russia, That's like what, Wow, Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You're talking about a country who is just used to
war for Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And also the entirety of history generally been supporters of Russia.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
But no, there have been unpresidented Western sanctions that are
just really crushing the Russian economy and crushing the ego
of Putin.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
The problem is that now it'll be Putin's turn to
turn around and say, okay, so here's what I'm going
to do to you, and whether that's a military nuclear
well response.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I'm hoping. I don't even want to think about that
because I know that there have been talks and they
are trying to end this peacefully.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, but as of this recording, it's bad.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And they're closing in on Kiev and that's it's just
really bad. And you reminded me of this quote, and
I want to get it right. You can probably if
I'm misquoting it. But old men start wars, young men
must fight or something like that that reminds me of, like, yeah, yes,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Really, it's every war is, you know, some old man's
quest for power, and they send in the young people
to die and to kill other people, and all because
we as a power.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
We as a species, cannot achieve diplomacy. You can't diplomatically resolve.
And I get it. It's like I see it. There's
something going on. And we've been talking about this for
a long time, you know, in different episodes of this podcast,
but Lucas and I were talking about it again yesterday.
Just people have become so awful and so almost conditioned
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to be anything but diplomatic or courteous or understanding. I've
never in my lifetime seen people so not just steeped
in their own ideology but cult like yeah, you know,
like and I know it's easy for me to say
because I have my own ideologies and my own point
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of view, but you know, not to pat myself in
the back. But one of the things I pride myself
in is I don't look at hardly anything just one way.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, pedophilia, maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know, there are certain things that it's like, there's
no wiggle room, there's no I can see that side
of it. But when it comes to politics, when it
comes to sociological issues, societal issues, for the most part,
they all have nuance and they all have layers, and it's.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Just so lazy to say, oh, well.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm one hundred percent with whatever Tucker Carlson told me
to think. There's no critical thinking, there's no well look,
there's this is true, and I agree with this side
of the political viewpoint, and I also believe in the
other side. And everything has to be one way with everyone,
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and that that's what conversations with people have become like
talking to a zombie.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
It's true. And I just think, especially when it comes
to war, we have not evolved one bit. We should
be past this barbaric, cruel practice that just doesn't solve
anything in the end. When it comes to war, it's
not about who wins, it's about who's left.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Nobody wins, No nobody ever wins.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
So I just can't believe that we are, you know,
here we are twenty twenty two and still dealing with
things in the same way that we didn't in the
beginning of time when we didn't know any better, you know.
And also, you know, I really like to see people
across the globe protesting this war. That's important. But we
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have to start acting like human beings and joined together
as humanity. Because as long as we start making lines
in the sand and building walls and putting up fences
and saying this area is mine and that's yours. I
understand that we do need laws that we need to control,
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you know, migration from country to country, that all needs
to be controlled or I don't know, there need to
be laws when it comes to that. But we have
to start living as if we are all living on
the same planet. This is a planet that Okay, let's
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say we got invaded from another planet. What are we
all going to be like, Oh, I'm gonna you know,
protect the United States of America, fuck everybody else. No,
we're all going to join as a global community, right,
So why don't we start thinking of that which we
are all together on this planet. We have to protect
ourselves and our home is this planet. That's what we
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need to be focusing on the environment. That the fact
that we may not have you know, Russia, Ukraine or
any country to live in if we don't take care
of the planet and each other. We're doing these ridiculous
little wars where millions of people are being killed and
it solves nothing. It's about some man's ego.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, I always has been how.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Can we as humanity still in this day and age,
be okay with that?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
The last time we I've mentioned this before, but the
last time I recall people really coming together was twenty
years ago in nine to eleven, when not just not
just us as Americans, where that was the last time
I remember politics just being suspended and it was only
for a few weeks, but people just were there for
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each other because we were all attacked. We as Americans
were attacked and the ninety seven percent of the world
rallied around us. So the last time that that feeling
has been in the air, and I don't know that.
I don't even know if being attacked by another planet would.
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I think we're past that point now. I've become so
pessimistic about humanity and the way people have become that
I don't know what it would possibly take for people
to really band together and come together on a mass
level the way that happened to me.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I feel like we're doing that right now. I feel
like the world is on the right side of history
in supporting Ukraine, Zelenski and their people.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
But then, you know, because of this cult, like you know,
sort of indoctrination in doctrinization.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
In.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Doctrinization.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well, how many Tequilas have I had enough? You've got
countless Americans who call themselves patriots cheering on Putin in
this situation because that's what Fox News is telling them
to do.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That cannot be right. It's true, you have to that cannot.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
See it, and they might. These are people who might
even say, you know, I'm I'm I hope that Ukraine survives,
but they they want to. What's become is that in
this situation is that the far right shows supporting and
praising Putin, because that's what Donald Trump did, So that's what.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
They do, not just silly Donald. It cannot still be easy.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I'll show you when we when we're done, you won't
believe it. How many people from Tucker Carlson to just
average people who watch Tucker Carlson who are truly praising
Putin as being brave and yes, yes, that's how people
have lost their fucking minds in this kind.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I can't believe that, you know, I ultimate I usually
tune into Fox to just get there, you know, whatever
bullshit they're spreading, just to know what's being said, and
I haven't in the last couple of days. But that's
shocking to me. That is shocking to show you. I mean,
everything that is happening right now is shocking and surprising
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and disappointing. I'm disappointed in humanity and I don't I
think people are starting to talk about this right now.
The racism within the Ukraine. There's a lot of racism
in that. You know, there's I think a big Nigerian
community in Ukraine, and the black community was being pushed
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out of the trains that we're leaving Ukraine for the border.
They were being pushed out with baby, women with little
newborns and left out in the cold. And that's racism,
you know, at its core, and it's alive and well today,
even in the middle of such a horrible situation, when
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you would think that people are helping each other. That's
why I was saying that there was a lot of
fuck are we going on? Once you get to the borders,
and if you're lucky enough to get there with your family,
to get on a train, you know, that's the whole point.
But once you get there, there are thousands and thousands
of people trying to do the same. So there's gonna
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be a lot of me first mentality. But there's that,
and then there's all the racism of saying, well the
whites first. So it got so bad that the Nigerian
consulate got involved to help.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
How did they help? How can they help?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well, because I don't know. They're they're finding refuge for
the Nigerian people who are being discriminated against. They're they're
finding them shelter and they're helping. And now I guess
you know, they're basically shamed people into helping, right, you
know the black families that are trying to get out, Yeah,
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which is you know, it's surprising and not surprising because
racism is alive and well all over the world.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Even in a situation like yeah, all over the world. Uh, anyway,
it's depressing, it's really disconcerting. It's you know, we're all
walking around going is how and when is this going
to escalate to the point where we're really involved?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Where we all just you know, know that we have
a matter of time because we've been hit by a
nuclear by a nuclear missile. Yeah, I mean that I
don't even want to think about that, but yeah, at
the end of the day, we have that.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I'm sorry to be that guy, but whether it's this
time or a future time, it's going to happen. I mean,
that's that's going to be the end of us.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I really hope that we get more people in power
and that we elect people that are much more peace driven,
that are more evolved, that can solve problems, because we
need leaders who are tough, but leaders who are also
evolved enough to not continue the killing and the wars
in the world. We need people who have evolved past that.
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We need to become those people who will not tolerate
war any longer. There is no reason for it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's also you know, one of those fine lines that
that we these sort of crises of conscience where you go,
we can't get involved in everybody else's fights as Americans.
We have to take care of ourselves and we have
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to protect our own. But then you see, you see
situations like this invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
And justice you have to step any French.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, I mean, but at what point and at what cost?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's very tricky.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
We're not in charge of so we can't even support
and help each other. How can we be expected to
help other countries and other problems. I just every war
has been started because of religion, because of territory, or
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because like this in this instance, which is rare, just
some crazy man's quest for power.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It's more complex than that with Putin in this invasion.
But yes, generally speaking, and you know, look, I think
ninety percent of wars have been about religion.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, like my God is better than your god, Let's
kill everyone. That's just the dumbest, most ignorant, backwards bullshit thing.
How people don't.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Don't believe what I believe, so I'm going to kill you, right,
That's really what it boils down to.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yes, my God says that if you don't believe in
my God that you must die.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, or it's just so ignorant. I have all this land,
but I want your land. And there they go, well
you can't have ouran Okay, Well then I'm going to
kill you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I take it.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And the fact that we're still this is the way
we are still going about business in politics, in world
politics today is just unacceptable to me that we as
humanity and as society haven't you know anyway? All this craziness,
I feel is leading people to want to escape, and
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then you feel a little guilty when you are having
a good time and your escaping something when something so
horrible is going on in another part of the world.
But I think it's really important for us to take
a break from the news because it can be very
mentally draining.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I want to talk a little bit about something that
an experience that a couple of friends of ours had,
and it's something that we've been an idea that we've
been toying with for quite a while. I think we
might have talked about some of this a little bit
in the podcast. I don't remember but so anyway, it's
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about DMT and people who are undergoing these ceremonies, d
MT ceremonies to connect to the universe, a higher power,
to find meaning within their lives. So a couple of
friends of ours had a shaman and with another couple
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they did a buffo ceremony, and so let me kind
of talk a little bit about what these are. So
DMT is this chemical that they say occurs naturally within
our pineal gland and it's something that is released, they
believe when we dream sometimes and they call it the
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God molecule.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
And DMT also naturally occurs in many plants which have
been used in religious ceremonies in some South American countries
for centuries. And it can also be made in a laboratory.
So there's also a man made version of it, which
is a little scary. There's ayahuasca, there's pot. Yeah, it's ayahuasca.
Payotriest doing it Bufo. I might be missing some other ones.
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But there are different ways of achieving this high, this
hallucinogenic high, which is very limited. And what happens is
all your neurons kind of connect and fire, they fire up.
So we're not using all of our brain and all
of our neurons, so when you're on this it.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Really than others.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yes, So others believe that this is a chemical that
is released during birth and death, and some say that
this release of d MT at death may be responsible
for those you know, kind of mystical near death experiences
that we all have heard about, like near near death experiences. Uh.
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And it affects people in very different ways. Most people
really truly enjoy the experience and come out of it
feeling like there's something resolved in their lives. What I
found really interesting about this and again this we've been
really thinking about doing ayhuasca going to Peru, and ayahuasca
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comes from a plant. A lot of indigenous people in
South America use drinks for food that contain d MT
as part of their culture. And in Iowa, the ceremony
goes back and it's traditionally prepared using two plants, and
this trip lasts two to six hours. The buffo, which
is what our friends did, is some it's it's a
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smoke and you drink it's a tea making two plants.
This bouffo comes from a toad venom it's a particular
species of toad that lives in Mexico in some parts
of the US, and now of course they've exported it
to other parts of South America. They extract the venom,
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they either extract or scratch the venom off, which you know,
they say that these shamans and ceremonies. Part of the
ceremony is making sure that the extraction of some of
this venom is ethical and that the frogs, the toads
are not being harmed. But it does cost distress to
the frogs. And this is becoming such a huge business
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that you can see how you know, before we know,
we may even have these buffo toad farms where they're
just being used as a commodity because there's money to
be made in this, and to me, that completely counteracts
the spirituality.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Part of it. Bufo just bullfrog.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I think that that's probably where the word bullfrog came from.
But it's this particular toad toad that's called buffo, so
that's that's probably where bullfrog came from. But yeah, so
I'm against the extraction of this obviously, you know, the
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way we feel about using animals for human gain or
human entertainment is wrong. I obviously if I were to
try something like this, I would not opt for the buffo.
I think that there are many other ways of achieving it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It is its own least based upon our friends experience.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's a really.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Short period of time, relatively thirty minutes thirty minutes where
you're in that state, as opposed to ayahuasca, which can
be three four hours. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Ayahuasca I think last two to six hours, usually closer
to the you know, four to six hours.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, which is like, if you're having an amazing trip,
they're like, oh, that's great. If you're having a shitty trip,
you're like, oh my god, make it stop.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Well, I don't know of anybody who's had a shitty
trip on this. Everybody comes out of it on ayahuasca,
on ayahuasca and.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Not buffo, because I've heard contrary. So that's why do
your own research. Yeah, you're interested in this kind of thing,
but I've heard some pretty horrific stories.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
So the whole point of it is that you're in.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Some amazing stories as we mostly amazing friends had yes, amazing,
yes experiences, and I think it's really important, So you must.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
There's a whole ceremony that goes along with it. You
have to start preparing for this, I think a week
ahead of time where you abstain from you know, coffee, alcohol, sex,
You really clean your system, You detox from every sensory
overload you know that we have in our lives, and
you you start preparing yourself emotionally and spiritually for this experience.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And that you they ask you to have a particular
intention going into.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That's what I found fascinating. So my friends one of
them and the intention was to come to terms with death.
So she loves her life so much, she is so
happy with her life and her day to day day
life that she is. She has a little anxiety around,
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you know, dying, not actually death, but not being around anymore.
She thinks that you know you die, everything is over
and people forget about you. And she has so many
people that she loves in her life that she doesn't
want to miss out it. So she wanted to come
to terms with dying. And he wanted to come to
terms with purpose in his life. So his intention was
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to how to find purpose in regular everyday things and
just living because he was.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Really struggling with that, which I understand.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I totally understood both intentions. I feel like I can
relate to exactly both of those situations because I feel,
you know, at my age, I've lived a wonderful life.
I've had a wonderful career. I still feel young, but
I'm kind of moving on in life. I am in
(30:43):
the middle of my life where that part of my
life is done, and now I have to find joy
in something other than work or something that I do
or something that I contribute to. I have to find
joy in just being and living, and I'm having a
hard time with that. I think many people do. Yeah,
(31:05):
So I really I thought, you know, from those two intentions,
they were both wonderful. What would your intention be in
a situation like this, Oh.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Shit, you're asking me now in front of everyone.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
M M.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I think the first thing that comes to mind, and
when we were having this conversation with our friends, it's
not a real clear oh my attention would be blah,
But I think that it would be based upon some
other different kinds of experiences that I've had. I think
(31:45):
I have a couple of times started to tap into
a deeper sense of grace and gratitude that like really
stuck with me for days or that I still when
I think about being in that state, and I think
of how face to face with deep gratitude I became
(32:07):
in those situations. And I'm talking about like beyond talking
the talk everybody consider around and go, I'm so grateful
for my life or I'm so grateful I'm Yes, it
doesn't mean you're lying, but there's a much deeper sense
of living in a state of grace and living in
a state of gratitude where that's your default position, That's
(32:28):
not my default position. I want it to be. I
want it to be more. I want to be just
more grateful in my soul and less have less edge,
less anger about whatever, whether it's I mean, I feel
like it's healthy to be angry about injustice, which is
(32:49):
my primary source of anger. But I feel like, at
this point, I'm fifty eight years old, I want to
have peaceful, beautiful days, and I think that the key
to that is just to be completely in step with gratitude.
So my thing would be to go in and say
I want the deepest I want to experience and tap
(33:09):
into the deepest sense of gratitude I've ever known.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, that's beautiful. It's a practice. I think it's very
hard to do, and I think most of us can
relate to that. You know, some of us walk through
life a bit more gracefully than others. And I think
most of us, like you said, when when we're faced
with that question, we all have things that we can
(33:32):
be grateful for that we are grateful for. But yeah,
I think it's something that is a practice, and it's
not you know, when you think of the Buddhist monks,
who are the most I think connected type of people
that I can think of, because they practice this. They
live this every single day. It's just about living in
(33:55):
a state of gratitude and doing for others and minimalism,
and that's hard to do, and even for them, they're human.
It's a practice, it's a practice. It's something that we
need to practice every day.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's also harder, and I'm not making any excuse, I'm
just stating what is. It's also harder for Western people,
especially when you have means, and when you're in especially
us we're in we live in la We're surrounded by
the entertainment sales and superficiality, and we know that we're
(34:30):
conscious of it, but.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
We play along.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
We play along to the degree that we do. You know,
we're not going to be hypocrites about it. And I
think that there's a place for it. I think there's
a healthy place for a.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Lot of that stuff. But it's really easy to get.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Caught up in that and lose sight of And the
word practice is so important because I think sometimes people
who do these kind of ceremonies or they get a
shaman and they do this thing, they feel it's almost
like going in to get a facelift, like oh, I'm
good now for twenty five years or whatever. No, it
doesn't work that way. This should just be the ignition
(35:07):
to set you into a deeper practice and a more
consistent practice. And I could really benefit from that, whether
it's you know I've talked about we both talked about
meditation on this podcast. I have been so lame about
meditating for almost a year now. I know how beneficial
it is to me, and yet I don't do it consistently.
(35:27):
And I think that there are just things that you
can do sometimes actions you can take to kind of
get you back on the right path.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Well you say that, but you know what we hike
in nature, we're in nature almost every day. That is
a form of meditation, of connecting with nature. So even
though you know the days that I don't sit there
for twenty minutes and meditate, I am out for an
hour in nature connecting with what I'm seeing. And it's
(35:58):
the same benefit to me, if not more. I benefit
more from a walking meditation in nature than I do
sometimes from just sitting in meditation. But yeah, this DMT trip,
because that's what it is, that's what it's called. You
go on this trip in your in your mind, in
your head. It's not like you are high and drug
(36:20):
and drugged up for the time that you are and
you black out. You have a great time doing that.
The whole point of it is that you remember everything
you're in your mind. You're you're connecting the things that
you are seeing and experiencing stay with you and last
and it makes a huge difference in people's lives, people,
(36:42):
especially people who have struggled with addiction, who have troubled
with who have trouble with with depression anxiety. It has
helped many of these people. So there is some science
behind it where psychiatrists are now using microdosing of silos ybin,
which is a form of it, which is a hallucinogen. Right,
(37:05):
But you know everything, this whole d MT, the synthetic form,
the buffo, the ayahuasca, they are all considered a Class
A drug, which means it's illegal to have for yourself
or to give away yourself. So that's why it's always
done in a ceremony with a shaman or through you know,
a medical expert. It's something that I think is so interesting.
(37:28):
We're going to be hearing a lot more about it,
i think from the medical community because there is so
much science being gathered and I don't know, I think
it's there's a lot of the there's a lot about
it on YouTube, so you can actually see these ceremonies
taking place. You can see what some.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
People attract repel you to it.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, I mean I've seen a little bit of everything.
I've seen some that are like, oh, I would definitely
not do it under those circumstances with those shamans. And
there are some where you're like, oh, yeah, that's a
beautiful experience. It's private, it's a spiritual it's thoughtful, and yeah.
You see and you also see people having slightly different experiences.
(38:11):
You see some people very few of them who like
scream during their process, but they all end up with
a peaceful smile laying there. Just you can tell that
they are almost in a dream state, you know. And
in a dream state, sometimes you're fidgeting and you're moving
around because you're seeing and some things are too harsh,
(38:33):
and sometimes it's so beautiful that it shows on your face. Yeah,
but everyone who comes out of this has come out
with a positive experience. And they call it an ego death.
So it's the one time where you completely get rid
of your ego and that's how you the core of
what you are, who you are, connects to everything.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Anyway, I'm fascinated by it. I'm definitely with you on
the the buffo thing is not for us because of
our particular rules.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Well they're not rules, they are.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It's our particular ideology.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, I don't. I don't believe in hurting animals for
my benefit.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Yeah right, And.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You know, sure if you have one shaman who extracts
this venom ethically and doesn't harm the frog and puts
the frog back, and that's not how it's working. Let's
face it, this has become so commercialized that these frogs
are now commodities, and they are things that you need
for your business. You know, whether you're the most spiritual
(39:44):
shaman or not. It's so.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
But ayahuasca is really intriguing to me. Yeah, because that's
the vomiting part. Well, I hate to vomit.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Not everyone vomits, almost everyone does, but it's just the
very beginning, and you get rid of that part of
the drink that is that your body rejects, and then
you stay with what works.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
We were talking with our friends, this same couple the
other night, and in the aftermath of their telling us
that their experience with Buffo, we started talking about ayahuasca
and vomiting, and the wife and you were like, both like, oh, no,
I would I prefer to vomit, just because then I
(40:27):
feel so much better. If I don't feel well, I
want to vomit. And the guy and I looked at
each other goes, we'll do anything not to vomit.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I don't understand that. That is such a good guy.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
And I were laughing because he's like, dude, I'm so
with you, and like, I'll do anything to not vomit.
It doesn't make you a better person, It just it's
gonna make you so well, I get it. I get that,
and when I have, which is rare in my adult life,
you do feel better a few minutes later. But it's
the doing it. I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Nobody wants to vomit. It's not a fun thing. But
anytime you get the urge, it's because your body is
rejected something. It wants to get something out, and you
will feel much better immediately. So, you know, I tend
to get nauseous in cars I'm sitting in the back
or you know, so I have multiple times had to
pull over and be like stop, I need to and
(41:16):
I open the door and immediately I vomit because you have.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
A certain level of motion serviness.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, but trying to I can't imagine trying to hold
that in and being in a car ride where you're nauseous,
you need to vomit and you're trying to keep it.
Who does that? A guy? A man?
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, because I just don't just don't want to vomit.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Oh my goodness. Well it's all about you know, We're
at a time where we all, I think, want to
connect to something that has meaning. We want to be
a part of this universe. We want to make things better.
I think that's why, you know, this whole ayahuasca boufo
(42:02):
is on a rise. It's people are more interested in it.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
I wonder if world leaders were forced to do something
like that, if there would if that would be the
end of war or would it.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Just good question? You know? Yeah, I think in.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Order to lead that nation you have to have gone
through this d MT experience to tap into your fucking humanity.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Or you know, something needs to happen because we have,
you know, our leaders are very disconnected, very antiquated, and
still using methods that we should have learned to evolve from.
So something needs to happen. And I think, you know,
(42:46):
it starts every like with everything else, it starts with you,
it starts with me. So I can only work on
my own mind on becoming peaceful myself, and if we
all do that, then maybe it'll be you know, a
trickle down effect. And because right now I can sense
(43:08):
the collective energy, the world energy is just hard and sad,
and it's war and we're all living it. We're all
experiencing it somehow because we're seeing it, we're we are
it's a threat to all of us. It's a threat
to humanity. Yeah, and it's also a huge injustice. There's
(43:30):
no reason for this war. So yeah, I think that
we all as individuals need to take that step to
become more peaceful.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
And you know, you guys listening, You know, I'm sure
a lot of you are going through the same thing,
and like, how can I tap into a deeper sense
of myself and by purpose and peace and look into
it like we like we do. We're always looking into
things that people are doing to bring them closer to
that stuff. Yeah, and we will see you next week.
(44:01):
Thanks for listening as always, and stay safe out there by.
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Salute, my love salute.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
All Right, welcome to Tequila.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Talk Miami edition. Yes, what a strange week.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
What a sad and strange week.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah, I mean we're really at we're in this precarious
situation where we don't know how much this war between
Russia and Ukraine is going to escalate to the point
where it involves the world.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Yeah, I mean, we've all been watching the footage and
we're all a kind of shocked and disgusted by what's happening.
Something that should not be happening. No, there's no real reason,
not that there's ever real reason for sending children to
(01:06):
kill each other and kill innocent people.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
And the fact that we as a species have not
evolved past the last you know, for at any point
in any way when it comes to that, Yeah, it's
so what you do is you focus on you try
to keep up with what's going on. The Other thing
that's really frustrating is I have really gotten to the
(01:29):
point where there is no trustworthy source of news in
my opinion, there's no place that I trust to give
me the right story.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
And I don't want to sound like an old man,
but like when I was growing up, the news organizations
had such a responsibility to get it right, and then
sometime in my late teens and twenties, there was this
shift in the eighties where it really became about getting
it first. If it's not right, we'll correct it later.
(02:03):
We just want to be the first to deliver the news.
And that slippery slope is where is where we're at
a place where at least in America probably, I'm sure
this is true around the world, but yeah, in America,
we don't. People generally don't trust their news sources because
you can't, no, and there's a.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Lot of people who just trust like their Facebook at.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, exactly, and there's no the problem. Part of the
problem is that there have been no repercussions for news
organizations getting it wrong.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
That's that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
My point is, you know, at a time when we
don't trust our news sources, we have to just go
with what we're seeing in a given moment, in a SoundBite. So, yeah,
you have Zelenski, who is a rock star, who's you know,
a hero, a hero, but not just Zelenska, I mean
Zilanski is just remarkable.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, but the people, the people.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Of Ukraine who are saying no, no, no, no. I mean, look,
let's not forget thousands and thousands and thousands of them
are fleeing or trying to flee.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Yeah, and there's the whole other problem. There's a whole
other shit show with that, because they are all sorts
of problems. When people just get desperate and you've got children,
and you've got the elderly, and you've got sick people,
it gets very you know me first, and screw you
kind of attitude. Even though they are all joined together
(03:27):
and they are all just trying to survive, there's, you know,
from what I understand, a whole other series of fuck
are you going on with that, as you can imagine,
because we're human after all, and we haven't evolved much,
and that's why we're in this situation and we're forced
(03:47):
to watch, you know, young soldiers going to going somewhere
and just bombing and killing innocent people because some crazy
man's need for power. You know, these these innocent soldiers
(04:08):
don't don't even know what they're fighting for.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
No, that was in the first couple of days of
the Russian invasion. And again, this is just what I
got from several news sources. There were Russian soldiers who
were captured who said, we didn't even know that this
was a quote war. We were we were told to
come here for exercises. Yeah, so they're you know of.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
That is true, but it would not surprise surprise me.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
You're dealing with, first of all, mad man, a complete madman.
In Putin's he's.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
A psychopath, like Hitler esque psychopath.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
He's just insane and and evil and cruel and just
there's no redeeming quality about this man.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
No, And and the real scary thing is, you know,
my son, Lucas's his and I said, we were talking
about it because he's really interested and involved in state
of affairs. And I said, you know, part of the
problem is that the story we're being given, at least
here in America is.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Just this sort of.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Bruce Willis movie, like the Ukrainians are just fighting back
and they're taking it. They're taking they're holding their ground.
And Okay, I hope so, but there's also a possibility
that it's a lot more dire over there than we Yeah,
and it can shift in any moment, let alone any day.
And I said, you know, we're at a point now
(05:40):
where the scary thing is that Putin is so insane.
There's no way he's going to back down now, he
will not.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
I think he has to be taken down.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Well, that's for sure. But he said he's cross he's
crossed this line with the world. You know. Look, MasterCard
and Visa are now cut cut off their association with
Russian banks. He's the sanctions not just from America but
throughout the world solely but surely are going to be
(06:11):
crushing absolutely, and it really affects the Russian people. But
they're also going after Putin's personal ship, right.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, killing him. It must be just eating him
up alive.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
When you keep poking a bear like that. He's so
crazy that he's he's the kind of person that would
just to not back down, blow up the world if
he could.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Yeah, that's the real danger.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
The ultimate sociopath he's.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Going to be. You know, well, if I can't live,
then nobody can.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
So if you corner him and you push him to
the to the brink, somebody who's that insane with that
much power is very dangerous.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well to see the world kind of turning on him,
and his own people now are turning on him because
he has turned his country into, you know, an isolated,
unspeakable area of the world. And you know, Zelensky has
becoming has been becoming a global hero, right. Yeah, I
(07:18):
hope so too. That you know, he's kind of got
this moral worth and people look up to him, and
he never he never thought that that would happen, and
so now that must be making it worse for him.
And you're right, the psychological the psychological messing of his
(07:40):
mind like this, I think is even worse.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, for those of you who didn't hear about it,
I think it was day two, maybe day three, but
I'm going to say day two of the invasion last week.
American envoys or whatever you call them, like people who
got into to Russia too, I mean, to Ukraine to
extricate him if he wanted. They went to basically say
(08:07):
we'll get you to safety. So let's get you out here.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
He turned to them and said, I need ammunition, I
don't need a ride.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
It is such a powerful quote of war.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, and a guy who's like, I'm not leaving my people.
He's not Ted Cruz, you know, he's like Ted Cruz
packed up and went to the fucking Caymans because he
was like or Cankun because he abandoned his people.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
What's happening to Storm that's amazing is that average Ukrainians,
you know, with no combat experience, most of them from
across Europe, are returning to their country to fight the Russians.
So people who are from Ukraine, who are in other
places of the world and around Europe are now returning
home to fight. That's and even non Ukrainians are starting
(08:56):
to join. From what I've been reading and seeing, people
from across the globe have been protesting the war, which
is which is understanding Iran.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
That's what's like when you saw demonstrations and protesting Iran saying.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Fuck Russia, That's like what, Wow, Okay.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
You're talking about a country who is just used to
war for Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And also the entirety of history generally been supporters of Russia.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
But no, there have been unpresidented Western sanctions that are
just really crushing the Russian economy and crushing the ego
of Putin.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
The problem is that now it'll be Putin's turn to
turn around and say, okay, so here's what I'm going
to do to you, and whether that's a military nuclear
well response.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I'm hoping. I don't even want to think about that
because I know that there have been talks and they
are trying to end this peacefully.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, but as of this recording, it's bad.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
And they're closing in on Kiev and that's it's just
really bad. And you reminded me of this quote, and
I want to get it right. You can probably if
I'm misquoting it. But old men start wars, young men
must fight or something like that that reminds me of, like, yeah, yes,
it's like.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Really, it's every war is, you know, some old man's
quest for power, and they send in the young people
to die and to kill other people, and all because
we as a power.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
We as a species, cannot achieve diplomacy. You can't diplomatically resolve.
And I get it. It's like I see it. There's
something going on. And we've been talking about this for
a long time, you know, in different episodes of this podcast,
but Lucas and I were talking about it again yesterday.
Just people have become so awful and so almost conditioned
(10:57):
to be anything but diplomatic or courteous or understanding. I've
never in my lifetime seen people so not just steeped
in their own ideology but cult like yeah, you know,
like and I know it's easy for me to say
because I have my own ideologies and my own point
(11:20):
of view, but you know, not to pat myself in
the back. But one of the things I pride myself
in is I don't look at hardly anything just one way.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, pedophilia, maybe.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know, there are certain things that it's like, there's
no wiggle room, there's no I can see that side
of it. But when it comes to politics, when it
comes to sociological issues, societal issues, for the most part,
they all have nuance and they all have layers, and it's.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Just so lazy to say, oh, well.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm one hundred percent with whatever Tucker Carlson told me
to think. There's no critical thinking, there's no well look,
there's this is true, and I agree with this side
of the political viewpoint, and I also believe in the
other side. And everything has to be one way with everyone,
(12:16):
and that that's what conversations with people have become like
talking to a zombie.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
It's true. And I just think, especially when it comes
to war, we have not evolved one bit. We should
be past this barbaric, cruel practice that just doesn't solve
anything in the end. When it comes to war, it's
not about who wins, it's about who's left.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Nobody wins, No nobody ever wins.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
So I just can't believe that we are, you know,
here we are twenty twenty two and still dealing with
things in the same way that we didn't in the
beginning of time when we didn't know any better, you know.
And also, you know, I really like to see people
across the globe protesting this war. That's important. But we
(13:14):
have to start acting like human beings and joined together
as humanity. Because as long as we start making lines
in the sand and building walls and putting up fences
and saying this area is mine and that's yours. I
understand that we do need laws that we need to control,
(13:35):
you know, migration from country to country, that all needs
to be controlled or I don't know, there need to
be laws when it comes to that. But we have
to start living as if we are all living on
the same planet. This is a planet that Okay, let's
(13:56):
say we got invaded from another planet. What are we
all going to be like, Oh, I'm gonna you know,
protect the United States of America, fuck everybody else. No,
we're all going to join as a global community, right,
So why don't we start thinking of that which we
are all together on this planet. We have to protect
ourselves and our home is this planet. That's what we
(14:17):
need to be focusing on the environment. That the fact
that we may not have you know, Russia, Ukraine or
any country to live in if we don't take care
of the planet and each other. We're doing these ridiculous
little wars where millions of people are being killed and
it solves nothing. It's about some man's ego.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, I always has been how.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Can we as humanity still in this day and age,
be okay with that?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
The last time we I've mentioned this before, but the
last time I recall people really coming together was twenty
years ago in nine to eleven, when not just not
just us as Americans, where that was the last time
I remember politics just being suspended and it was only
for a few weeks, but people just were there for
(15:10):
each other because we were all attacked. We as Americans
were attacked and the ninety seven percent of the world
rallied around us. So the last time that that feeling
has been in the air, and I don't know that.
I don't even know if being attacked by another planet would.
(15:33):
I think we're past that point now. I've become so
pessimistic about humanity and the way people have become that
I don't know what it would possibly take for people
to really band together and come together on a mass
level the way that happened to me.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I feel like we're doing that right now. I feel
like the world is on the right side of history
in supporting Ukraine, Zelenski and their people.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
But then, you know, because of this cult, like you know,
sort of indoctrination in doctrinization.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
In.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Doctrinization.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Well, how many Tequilas have I had enough? You've got
countless Americans who call themselves patriots cheering on Putin in
this situation because that's what Fox News is telling them
to do.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
That cannot be right. It's true, you have to that cannot.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
See it, and they might. These are people who might
even say, you know, I'm I'm I hope that Ukraine survives,
but they they want to. What's become is that in
this situation is that the far right shows supporting and
praising Putin, because that's what Donald Trump did, So that's what.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
They do, not just silly Donald. It cannot still be easy.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I'll show you when we when we're done, you won't
believe it. How many people from Tucker Carlson to just
average people who watch Tucker Carlson who are truly praising
Putin as being brave and yes, yes, that's how people
have lost their fucking minds in this kind.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I can't believe that, you know, I ultimate I usually
tune into Fox to just get there, you know, whatever
bullshit they're spreading, just to know what's being said, and
I haven't in the last couple of days. But that's
shocking to me. That is shocking to show you. I mean,
everything that is happening right now is shocking and surprising
(17:30):
and disappointing. I'm disappointed in humanity and I don't I
think people are starting to talk about this right now.
The racism within the Ukraine. There's a lot of racism
in that. You know, there's I think a big Nigerian
community in Ukraine, and the black community was being pushed
(17:53):
out of the trains that we're leaving Ukraine for the border.
They were being pushed out with baby, women with little
newborns and left out in the cold. And that's racism,
you know, at its core, and it's alive and well today,
even in the middle of such a horrible situation, when
(18:14):
you would think that people are helping each other. That's
why I was saying that there was a lot of
fuck are we going on? Once you get to the borders,
and if you're lucky enough to get there with your family,
to get on a train, you know, that's the whole point.
But once you get there, there are thousands and thousands
of people trying to do the same. So there's gonna
(18:36):
be a lot of me first mentality. But there's that,
and then there's all the racism of saying, well the
whites first. So it got so bad that the Nigerian
consulate got involved to help.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
How did they help? How can they help?
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Well, because I don't know. They're they're finding refuge for
the Nigerian people who are being discriminated against. They're they're
finding them shelter and they're helping. And now I guess
you know, they're basically shamed people into helping, right, you
know the black families that are trying to get out, Yeah,
(19:15):
which is you know, it's surprising and not surprising because
racism is alive and well all over the world.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Even in a situation like yeah, all over the world. Uh, anyway,
it's depressing, it's really disconcerting. It's you know, we're all
walking around going is how and when is this going
to escalate to the point where we're really involved?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Where we all just you know, know that we have
a matter of time because we've been hit by a
nuclear by a nuclear missile. Yeah, I mean that I
don't even want to think about that, but yeah, at
the end of the day, we have that.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
I'm sorry to be that guy, but whether it's this
time or a future time, it's going to happen. I mean,
that's that's going to be the end of us.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
I really hope that we get more people in power
and that we elect people that are much more peace driven,
that are more evolved, that can solve problems, because we
need leaders who are tough, but leaders who are also
evolved enough to not continue the killing and the wars
in the world. We need people who have evolved past that.
(20:25):
We need to become those people who will not tolerate
war any longer. There is no reason for it.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's also you know, one of those fine lines that
that we these sort of crises of conscience where you go,
we can't get involved in everybody else's fights as Americans.
We have to take care of ourselves and we have
(20:54):
to protect our own. But then you see, you see
situations like this invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
And justice you have to step any French.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah, I mean, but at what point and at what cost?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
It's very tricky.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
We're not in charge of so we can't even support
and help each other. How can we be expected to
help other countries and other problems. I just every war
has been started because of religion, because of territory, or
(21:30):
because like this in this instance, which is rare, just
some crazy man's quest for power.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
It's more complex than that with Putin in this invasion.
But yes, generally speaking, and you know, look, I think
ninety percent of wars have been about religion.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, like my God is better than your god, Let's
kill everyone. That's just the dumbest, most ignorant, backwards bullshit thing.
How people don't.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Don't believe what I believe, so I'm going to kill you, right,
That's really what it boils down to.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yes, my God says that if you don't believe in
my God that you must die.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, or it's just so ignorant. I have all this land,
but I want your land. And there they go, well
you can't have ouran Okay, Well then I'm going to
kill you.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I take it.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And the fact that we're still this is the way
we are still going about business in politics, in world
politics today is just unacceptable to me that we as
humanity and as society haven't you know anyway? All this craziness,
I feel is leading people to want to escape, and
(22:37):
then you feel a little guilty when you are having
a good time and your escaping something when something so
horrible is going on in another part of the world.
But I think it's really important for us to take
a break from the news because it can be very
mentally draining.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
We'll be right back after this short break.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I want to talk a little bit about something that
an experience that a couple of friends of ours had,
and it's something that we've been an idea that we've
been toying with for quite a while. I think we
might have talked about some of this a little bit
in the podcast. I don't remember but so anyway, it's
(23:25):
about DMT and people who are undergoing these ceremonies, d
MT ceremonies to connect to the universe, a higher power,
to find meaning within their lives. So a couple of
friends of ours had a shaman and with another couple
(23:48):
they did a buffo ceremony, and so let me kind
of talk a little bit about what these are. So
DMT is this chemical that they say occurs naturally within
our pineal gland and it's something that is released, they
believe when we dream sometimes and they call it the
(24:10):
God molecule.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Excuse me.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
And DMT also naturally occurs in many plants which have
been used in religious ceremonies in some South American countries
for centuries. And it can also be made in a laboratory.
So there's also a man made version of it, which
is a little scary. There's ayahuasca, there's pot. Yeah, it's ayahuasca.
Payotriest doing it Bufo. I might be missing some other ones.
(24:41):
But there are different ways of achieving this high, this
hallucinogenic high, which is very limited. And what happens is
all your neurons kind of connect and fire, they fire up.
So we're not using all of our brain and all
of our neurons, so when you're on this it.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Really than others.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Yes, So others believe that this is a chemical that
is released during birth and death, and some say that
this release of d MT at death may be responsible
for those you know, kind of mystical near death experiences
that we all have heard about, like near near death experiences. Uh.
(25:30):
And it affects people in very different ways. Most people
really truly enjoy the experience and come out of it
feeling like there's something resolved in their lives. What I
found really interesting about this and again this we've been
really thinking about doing ayhuasca going to Peru, and ayahuasca
(25:51):
comes from a plant. A lot of indigenous people in
South America use drinks for food that contain d MT
as part of their culture. And in Iowa, the ceremony
goes back and it's traditionally prepared using two plants, and
this trip lasts two to six hours. The buffo, which
is what our friends did, is some it's it's a
(26:11):
smoke and you drink it's a tea making two plants.
This bouffo comes from a toad venom it's a particular
species of toad that lives in Mexico in some parts
of the US, and now of course they've exported it
to other parts of South America. They extract the venom,
(26:34):
they either extract or scratch the venom off, which you know,
they say that these shamans and ceremonies. Part of the
ceremony is making sure that the extraction of some of
this venom is ethical and that the frogs, the toads
are not being harmed. But it does cost distress to
the frogs. And this is becoming such a huge business
(26:58):
that you can see how you know, before we know,
we may even have these buffo toad farms where they're
just being used as a commodity because there's money to
be made in this, and to me, that completely counteracts
the spirituality.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Part of it. Bufo just bullfrog.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
I think that that's probably where the word bullfrog came from.
But it's this particular toad toad that's called buffo, so
that's that's probably where bullfrog came from. But yeah, so
I'm against the extraction of this obviously, you know, the
(27:38):
way we feel about using animals for human gain or
human entertainment is wrong. I obviously if I were to
try something like this, I would not opt for the buffo.
I think that there are many other ways of achieving it.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
It is its own least based upon our friends experience.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's a really.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Short period of time, relatively thirty minutes thirty minutes where
you're in that state, as opposed to ayahuasca, which can
be three four hours. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Ayahuasca I think last two to six hours, usually closer
to the you know, four to six hours.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, which is like, if you're having an amazing trip,
they're like, oh, that's great. If you're having a shitty trip,
you're like, oh my god, make it stop.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Well, I don't know of anybody who's had a shitty
trip on this. Everybody comes out of it on ayahuasca,
on ayahuasca and.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Not buffo, because I've heard contrary. So that's why do
your own research. Yeah, you're interested in this kind of thing,
but I've heard some pretty horrific stories.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
So the whole point of it is that you're in.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Some amazing stories as we mostly amazing friends had yes, amazing,
yes experiences, and I think it's really important, So you must.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
There's a whole ceremony that goes along with it. You
have to start preparing for this, I think a week
ahead of time where you abstain from you know, coffee, alcohol, sex,
You really clean your system, You detox from every sensory
overload you know that we have in our lives, and
you you start preparing yourself emotionally and spiritually for this experience.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
And that you they ask you to have a particular
intention going into.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That's what I found fascinating. So my friends one of
them and the intention was to come to terms with death.
So she loves her life so much, she is so
happy with her life and her day to day day
life that she is. She has a little anxiety around,
(29:47):
you know, dying, not actually death, but not being around anymore.
She thinks that you know you die, everything is over
and people forget about you. And she has so many
people that she loves in her life that she doesn't
want to miss out it. So she wanted to come
to terms with dying. And he wanted to come to
terms with purpose in his life. So his intention was
(30:11):
to how to find purpose in regular everyday things and
just living because he was.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Really struggling with that, which I understand.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I totally understood both intentions. I feel like I can
relate to exactly both of those situations because I feel,
you know, at my age, I've lived a wonderful life.
I've had a wonderful career. I still feel young, but
I'm kind of moving on in life. I am in
(30:43):
the middle of my life where that part of my
life is done, and now I have to find joy
in something other than work or something that I do
or something that I contribute to. I have to find
joy in just being and living, and I'm having a
hard time with that. I think many people do. Yeah,
(31:05):
So I really I thought, you know, from those two intentions,
they were both wonderful. What would your intention be in
a situation like this, Oh.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Shit, you're asking me now in front of everyone.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
M M.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I think the first thing that comes to mind, and
when we were having this conversation with our friends, it's
not a real clear oh my attention would be blah,
But I think that it would be based upon some
other different kinds of experiences that I've had. I think
(31:45):
I have a couple of times started to tap into
a deeper sense of grace and gratitude that like really
stuck with me for days or that I still when
I think about being in that state, and I think
of how face to face with deep gratitude I became
(32:07):
in those situations. And I'm talking about like beyond talking
the talk everybody consider around and go, I'm so grateful
for my life or I'm so grateful I'm Yes, it
doesn't mean you're lying, but there's a much deeper sense
of living in a state of grace and living in
a state of gratitude where that's your default position, That's
(32:28):
not my default position. I want it to be. I
want it to be more. I want to be just
more grateful in my soul and less have less edge,
less anger about whatever, whether it's I mean, I feel
like it's healthy to be angry about injustice, which is
(32:49):
my primary source of anger. But I feel like, at
this point, I'm fifty eight years old, I want to
have peaceful, beautiful days, and I think that the key
to that is just to be completely in step with gratitude.
So my thing would be to go in and say
I want the deepest I want to experience and tap
(33:09):
into the deepest sense of gratitude I've ever known.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, that's beautiful. It's a practice. I think it's very
hard to do, and I think most of us can
relate to that. You know, some of us walk through
life a bit more gracefully than others. And I think
most of us, like you said, when when we're faced
with that question, we all have things that we can
(33:32):
be grateful for that we are grateful for. But yeah,
I think it's something that is a practice, and it's
not you know, when you think of the Buddhist monks,
who are the most I think connected type of people
that I can think of, because they practice this. They
live this every single day. It's just about living in
(33:55):
a state of gratitude and doing for others and minimalism,
and that's hard to do, and even for them, they're human.
It's a practice, it's a practice. It's something that we
need to practice every day.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
It's also harder, and I'm not making any excuse, I'm
just stating what is. It's also harder for Western people,
especially when you have means, and when you're in especially
us we're in we live in la We're surrounded by
the entertainment sales and superficiality, and we know that we're
(34:30):
conscious of it, but.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
We play along.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
We play along to the degree that we do. You know,
we're not going to be hypocrites about it. And I
think that there's a place for it. I think there's
a healthy place for a.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Lot of that stuff. But it's really easy to get.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Caught up in that and lose sight of And the
word practice is so important because I think sometimes people
who do these kind of ceremonies or they get a
shaman and they do this thing, they feel it's almost
like going in to get a facelift, like oh, I'm
good now for twenty five years or whatever. No, it
doesn't work that way. This should just be the ignition
(35:07):
to set you into a deeper practice and a more
consistent practice. And I could really benefit from that, whether
it's you know I've talked about we both talked about
meditation on this podcast. I have been so lame about
meditating for almost a year now. I know how beneficial
it is to me, and yet I don't do it consistently.
(35:27):
And I think that there are just things that you
can do sometimes actions you can take to kind of
get you back on the right path.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Well you say that, but you know what we hike
in nature, we're in nature almost every day. That is
a form of meditation, of connecting with nature. So even
though you know the days that I don't sit there
for twenty minutes and meditate, I am out for an
hour in nature connecting with what I'm seeing. And it's
(35:58):
the same benefit to me, if not more. I benefit
more from a walking meditation in nature than I do
sometimes from just sitting in meditation. But yeah, this DMT trip,
because that's what it is, that's what it's called. You
go on this trip in your in your mind, in
your head. It's not like you are high and drug
(36:20):
and drugged up for the time that you are and
you black out. You have a great time doing that.
The whole point of it is that you remember everything
you're in your mind. You're you're connecting the things that
you are seeing and experiencing stay with you and last
and it makes a huge difference in people's lives, people,
(36:42):
especially people who have struggled with addiction, who have troubled
with who have trouble with with depression anxiety. It has
helped many of these people. So there is some science
behind it where psychiatrists are now using microdosing of silos ybin,
which is a form of it, which is a hallucinogen. Right,
(37:05):
But you know everything, this whole d MT, the synthetic form,
the buffo, the ayahuasca, they are all considered a Class
A drug, which means it's illegal to have for yourself
or to give away yourself. So that's why it's always
done in a ceremony with a shaman or through you know,
a medical expert. It's something that I think is so interesting.
(37:28):
We're going to be hearing a lot more about it,
i think from the medical community because there is so
much science being gathered and I don't know, I think
it's there's a lot of the there's a lot about
it on YouTube, so you can actually see these ceremonies
taking place. You can see what some.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
People attract repel you to it.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, I mean I've seen a little bit of everything.
I've seen some that are like, oh, I would definitely
not do it under those circumstances with those shamans. And
there are some where you're like, oh, yeah, that's a
beautiful experience. It's private, it's a spiritual it's thoughtful, and yeah.
You see and you also see people having slightly different experiences.
(38:11):
You see some people very few of them who like
scream during their process, but they all end up with
a peaceful smile laying there. Just you can tell that
they are almost in a dream state, you know. And
in a dream state, sometimes you're fidgeting and you're moving
around because you're seeing and some things are too harsh,
(38:33):
and sometimes it's so beautiful that it shows on your face. Yeah,
but everyone who comes out of this has come out
with a positive experience. And they call it an ego death.
So it's the one time where you completely get rid
of your ego and that's how you the core of
what you are, who you are, connects to everything.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Anyway, I'm fascinated by it. I'm definitely with you on
the the buffo thing is not for us because of
our particular rules.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Well they're not rules, they are.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
It's our particular ideology.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Yeah, I don't. I don't believe in hurting animals for
my benefit.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Yeah right, And.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
You know, sure if you have one shaman who extracts
this venom ethically and doesn't harm the frog and puts
the frog back, and that's not how it's working. Let's
face it, this has become so commercialized that these frogs
are now commodities, and they are things that you need
for your business. You know, whether you're the most spiritual
(39:44):
shaman or not. It's so.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
But ayahuasca is really intriguing to me. Yeah, because that's
the vomiting part. Well, I hate to vomit.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Not everyone vomits, almost everyone does, but it's just the
very beginning, and you get rid of that part of
the drink that is that your body rejects, and then
you stay with what works.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
We were talking with our friends, this same couple the
other night, and in the aftermath of their telling us
that their experience with Buffo, we started talking about ayahuasca
and vomiting, and the wife and you were like, both like, oh, no,
I would I prefer to vomit, just because then I
(40:27):
feel so much better. If I don't feel well, I
want to vomit. And the guy and I looked at
each other goes, we'll do anything not to vomit.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
I don't understand that. That is such a good guy.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
And I were laughing because he's like, dude, I'm so
with you, and like, I'll do anything to not vomit.
It doesn't make you a better person, It just it's
gonna make you so well, I get it. I get that,
and when I have, which is rare in my adult life,
you do feel better a few minutes later. But it's
the doing it. I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
Nobody wants to vomit. It's not a fun thing. But
anytime you get the urge, it's because your body is
rejected something. It wants to get something out, and you
will feel much better immediately. So, you know, I tend
to get nauseous in cars I'm sitting in the back
or you know, so I have multiple times had to
pull over and be like stop, I need to and
(41:16):
I open the door and immediately I vomit because you have.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
A certain level of motion serviness.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Yeah, but trying to I can't imagine trying to hold
that in and being in a car ride where you're nauseous,
you need to vomit and you're trying to keep it.
Who does that? A guy? A man?
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, because I just don't just don't want to vomit.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Oh my goodness. Well it's all about you know, We're
at a time where we all, I think, want to
connect to something that has meaning. We want to be
a part of this universe. We want to make things better.
I think that's why, you know, this whole ayahuasca boufo
(42:02):
is on a rise. It's people are more interested in it.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
I wonder if world leaders were forced to do something
like that, if there would if that would be the
end of war or would it.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Just good question? You know? Yeah, I think in.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Order to lead that nation you have to have gone
through this d MT experience to tap into your fucking humanity.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Or you know, something needs to happen because we have,
you know, our leaders are very disconnected, very antiquated, and
still using methods that we should have learned to evolve from.
So something needs to happen. And I think, you know,
(42:46):
it starts every like with everything else, it starts with you,
it starts with me. So I can only work on
my own mind on becoming peaceful myself, and if we
all do that, then maybe it'll be you know, a
trickle down effect. And because right now I can sense
(43:08):
the collective energy, the world energy is just hard and sad,
and it's war and we're all living it. We're all
experiencing it somehow because we're seeing it, we're we are
it's a threat to all of us. It's a threat
to humanity. Yeah, and it's also a huge injustice. There's
(43:30):
no reason for this war. So yeah, I think that
we all as individuals need to take that step to
become more peaceful.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
And you know, you guys listening, You know, I'm sure
a lot of you are going through the same thing,
and like, how can I tap into a deeper sense
of myself and by purpose and peace and look into
it like we like we do. We're always looking into
things that people are doing to bring them closer to
that stuff. Yeah, and we will see you next week.
(44:01):
Thanks for listening as always, and stay safe out there by.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
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