February 23, 2022 • 51 mins
This week The Couple have some drinks and discuss different views regarding mask mandates throughout our country.
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Speaker 2 (00:36):
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Speaker 1 (00:38):
I see the meters moving.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
You didn't give me a kiss after that, but because.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
You were like, what's going on over there?
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I wasn't sure. Here we are.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Jinks, Wow, how many have we had already? Double and
we're in our We're in one of our other.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Locations, undisclosed locations.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Undisclosed locations. It's been nice just to have a little
break from the beauty and perfection of sunny California.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, that get so annoying.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
God, who needs that shit. We're like, we'll look at
the weather in LA and there's like eight days in
a row where it's just sun sun, sun eighty three,
eighty three. We're like, we got to get the fuck
out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Or one day where it's like there is a twenty
percent chance of showers. Oh my god, this is clo cloudy.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
For three hours on a Tuesday, We're like, we got
to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Book of flights. The temperature drops like to seventy and
we're like, oh, it's freezing. We got to get out
of this cold.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're assholes. But it's been nice to just sort of
hang in our other one of our other places.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, and be with the family, be with the family.
Time is every thing. I need my dose of family
time every so often.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Plus there's something about being here where there's no COVID.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
COD it doesn't exist allegedly.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I mean the statistics which you say otherwise you know,
the people who are dying and intubated would so disagreeable.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I think it's obvious by now that we're in Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And it's just amazing how when we go out.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
There's just no It's weird because a lot of states
have lifted their mask mandate except for La County has
not or are there in the process of removing mask
mandates from some areas, outdoor areas, which I think is
crazy at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, I'll tell you what's crazy about it. Let's just
be specific. It's not even the mandates, it's the enforcement
of the mandates, so you you throw out some, you
get the newest, latest scientific data, and I don't even know. Look,
when it comes to politicians and government, I've become so
disgusted by all of them on both sides that I
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feel like I'd like to still believe that decisions are
made based upon the most current scientific data. And if
that is true, they jumped to, oh, we got to
lock it down again. We gotta have mask mandates. You
have to wear a mask when you're in the grocery store.
And then you've got people who walk into the grocery store.
I'm not wearing a fucking mask. Fuck you, And for
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whatever their reasons are, at the end of the day,
if there's a mask mandate and you're going to be
that person who's going to cause a scene because your freedom,
you're just an asshole.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I know. But we've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But I also it's like we had this situation at
the grocery store where there was a guy right behind
us and the cashier said, sir, I've told you either
put on a mask or you have to leave. And
the guy's with this little girl. That's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
He was with a two year old. I don't want
to start a fight with the guy with a little baby.
You know. Well, but the guy with the little baby's
ask things. He was being a dick. He was for
sure not being a nice guy. Your point to the
cashier was perfect.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I just turned to the cashier and I said, you know,
I just feel either we all should be wearing masks,
or none of us should be wearing masks, or we
should all be given the choice. You can't ask people
to wear a mask and then whoever doesn't want to
doesn't even though they're asked to. Yeah. So that was
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you know, that was about a month ago. And I
think that we're in a different place now. Like you said,
and like I've always said, I don't think we need
to listen to politicians. In the beginning of the pandemic,
when things were really bad and we didn't really know
what was going on, we had limited science. Yes, I
think that everyone once we realized that this was okay,
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we should all be masking up because this is going
to protect us and this is out of control, then
there were people who were like, fuck that I'm not
wearing a mask. Sure you should enforce it. At that point,
temporarily just for protection of everyone else because we didn't
really know what was going on. We're at a point
now where we see the numbers decreasing, hospitals are being
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freed up. It seems like we're gaining her immunity, even
though many people are still getting sick and many people
are still dying. It is more, you know, people who
are compromised, and we understand what is going on now
more than we did two years ago. Right, So, where
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most states have made masks optional for those who need
it more than others, I understand that that I've always
said it should be left up to the individual. You
should explain the circumstances, and those of us who understand
science would opt to wear a mask most of the
time for the last two years. So where everybody's loosening
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up with the mask man, it's and here in Florida
they loosened up, you know, over a year ago when
we were here, hardly anyone was wearing a mask anywhere.
Then during uh Omikron they started wearing them again in
public places, and that was for a very short while,
and now almost no one is wearing them anywhere, although
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we did wear it at Target. Yeah, mostly because I
didn't want to have seen the hosts what mostly because
I didn't want to be seen.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Left a long one motivation. You're like, it's like you
can't really go. You always even with if there were
no pandemic, you would be wearing a mask into Ross
because you don't want to be standing by your eye.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Of No, actually I actually do.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's very cool.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Actually I'm very happy to be at Ross. Oh my god,
I'm like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It is me. I'm wearing your underwear right now, you know,
speaking of the you mentioned, you just referenced really quickly
the suggestion of mass or the encouragement, not even the encouragement,
but just the option. And I had to just make
that decision because I'm finally going back to doing some
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shows in a couple of weeks, and I'm playing in Florida,
where you know, that's a mood point, sure, but in
Kentucky where it's a mood point. But some of the
other places I'm playing on that run of shows, the
venues came to me and said, we'd like your approval
of the wording of because there are still some artists
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who are saying mass are mandatory.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Right, It's up to the artist. Oh it is in
some cases.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Sometimes it's up to the venue, and sometimes the venue
is passing that option to the artist to say. And
I get it, like, if you're if you're an immunal,
compromise yourself. If I had issues where I had to
be if I'm going to get back on stage, I
have to have these safety precautions in place. Since I don't,
it was a no brainer to me to just make
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them optional sure, which means that hardly anybody will be
wearing them, which is fine because it's your choice.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, I don't, you know. I think the people who
we still see wearing masks, especially here in Florida, are
obviously people older people who I've seen some older people
wearing masks who may have some sort of underlying issue.
And I think that that's when you leave it to
the people, you know, And then you have these assholes
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that will see somebody wearing a mask and will make
fun of them or say something without realizing, well, that
person may need to protect themselves extra that person maybe
can't afford to even get a very mild version of COVID.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So that comes down to, as we've talked about so
many times, that comes down to looking out for someone else,
looking out for fear fellow man, which has become a
thing that people just don't do anymore. They don't give a.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Fuck, absolutely, So we just need to go back to,
you know, letting everybody make that decision for themselves. And
I think you know, I've always I said throughout the
pandemic that sure there are a lot of people who
don't understand what's happening.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So wait, I'm sorry, not just let those people make
those decisions for themselves. You can't just leave it there
as long as there's no mandate in place.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Well, there wouldn't be a mandate in place if most
people were doing what's right.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I know, But I want to make it clear that
I'm with you that people should be it should be
up to them, unless it's like it should be up
to you to wear a shirt into an establishment, but
you know that because there's a sign on the door, Well,
if I want to go in there, I have to
have a shirt on.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, it's kind of like the seatbelt law. It's like,
we all know we should be wearing the seat belt,
but they had to make it a law because a
lot of people were not wearing them, and.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It is absolutely saved lives. Just as my favorite example
of what we're talking about, by the way, is not
even an American, it's a Canadian. I don't know if
you saw this. A couple of days ago at some
ski resort, which I'm going to assume is in western
Canada because of the time of year, there was a
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guy with his family who threw one of those fucking
tantrum baby tantrum hissy fits. Here's what from what I understand,
the resort only required a mask on the lifts because
sometimes you share the lifts with people, right, Yeah, sometimes
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it's just you and your family you take up that chair,
but sometimes maybe not. So they just to protect the
majority of people. They said, when you're on the lift,
the chairlift, you got to have a mask on, just
keep it in your pocket. Right. This guy was, I'm
not wearing the mask, and they had video of security
coming and forcibly like hauling his ass down onto the
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ice and pulling him away with his family screaming. Right.
The hilarious thing is this motherfucker was wearing a helmet, gloves, goggles,
wrisk guards, knee pads, but he wouldn't put on his
mask to ride the chairlift.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Oh, it's just so silly.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So he now it went viral, so everyone that saw
it knows what a fucking baby man he is. Yeah,
what an asshole he is.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, like, dude, just it's forty five seconds up the chairlift.
Put on the fucking like, just do it. And I
just think that, Yeah, it's crazy, But we all need
to be a little bit more responsible for understanding the
science or understanding what's going on and not depending so
much on what the politicians decide to make a mandate.
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Because as we know these politicians, they may pass a
mandate that they don't themselves believe in just because they're followers,
their fans, their supporters won't support him if he says otherwise.
So again, that's politics, and it's corrupt. And the politicians
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who are saying the things that you want to hear
may not be walk in that walk right then. And
I don't think people see that. You know, they just
do what's expected of them. They get a job, and
a lot of them, i'm convinced, are Okay, I'll just
run Republican. Okay, I'll just run Democrat, just to run
and get the job. Right, So we really have to
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remember all of that. When it comes to listening to
politicians and really supporting them, you don't really know who
you're supporting, Yeah, because they will do whatever and they
will say whatever is required of them to hold on
to their supporters and their funding.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right, and they all now stick to the same exact
ideology and propaganda and the game story.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Both sides do this shit. We'll be right back after
this short break. It's just that.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I was gonna talk about this later, but we might
as well segue into it now because I want to
talk about it. Look, here's the thing about here's what
I've sort of found myself feeling about politicians in general.
And I can't really think of hardly any any examples
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contrary to this. But where I'm at right now is
when I look at the Democratic Party, I see a
group of weak, timid, spineless people who can't get a
whole lot of shit done. There's just there's a meek
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thing about the people in that party that is a
turn off to me big time too. However, they're also
the party that, especially currently I feel, seems to have the.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Greater good at heart.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I believe who are are trying to create programs and
policies that help.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The greater good. Yes there's a you hear.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That word, and you hear that phrase, and assholes are
going to go, well, it's just socialism. Well okay, no,
fuck you, it's not. And by the way, enjoy your
stimulus check, you socialist, prick, hypocrite. But so I'm only
prefacing this because I get because I'm so critical of
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the Republicans, I'm assumed to be a Democrat. I'm neither.
I find I find politicians to be the most self
serving in sincere almost all of them. Yes, But on
the right, I've never seen anything like I'm seeing now.
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And we're now at a point now where it's for
the last year, year and a half, I mean, the
attack on women's rights has been mind blowing, mind blowing,
that abortion could be illegal again in some states. That
we're burning, they're burning books. They don't want their children
to be taught that there's been racism in history.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
They don't want to be taught the part of history
that includes racism because they want to keep it alive,
of course, But.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The current thing that's happening that's really pissing me off,
and a lot of people off. Is happening.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Guess what? Right here in Florida. Oh surprised.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
There is a representative named Joe Harding, and he sponsored
this amendment which is being voted on I think any minute,
maybe even today, I don't know, but it's being called
the Don't Say Gay Bill. Have you heard about this?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
No? What this guy is sponsoring this bill? That he
Why haven't I heard of it? Why isn't this everywhere?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's everywhere. You've just been, all right, don't rub it in,
gol've been You've been distracted.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm going to read you. You know the actual wording
of this. A new amendment to Florida's so called Don't
Say Gay Bill would explicitly require schools to inform parents
of their child's sexual orientation and put a deadline on
how soon they must tell the family. The amendment, filed
by bill sponsor Motherfucker Representative Joe Harding on February eighteenth,
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changes the bill to instead not only require disclosure, but
requires school to tell parents within six weeks of learning
the student is any sexual orientation other than straight.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So people are of course outraged about this. There's wording
in this bill that makes a little tiny bit of
sense to me. The wording in the bill that makes
sense to me is that they are, and this is
where it's a slippery slope. They're saying that they don't
want faculty to instruct or teach about sexual orientation or
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identity between kindergarten and third grade. I get that, I
get I get that I wouldn't want that information necessarily
volunteered to my five year old.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Exactly. I feel like from somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Right when I feel like my kid is ready to
understand what there are all kinds of people in the world,
and that'll be my decision. But at a certain point
you can't. But the problem is that I don't think
there's much of the threat of The threat, for lack
of a better word, of a teacher standing up in
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a classroom and getting into that with a kindergarten is
such a microscopic possibility. A teacher knows that that's inappropriate
and they're going to.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Get fired, Well it depends. I disagree, because you're putting
a lot of dignity and responsibility on that teacher while
forgetting that many of those teachers are ignorant qann morons
who are homophobic misogynists, racist assholes. Yeah, so that in
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those cases you don't It depends on who's talking to
your child, because you can't screen all those teachers. We
assume that all the teachers that are in place, even
at the best schools, are all very neutral, fair, equality driven,
all looking to teach the right things to the children. No,
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everyone has an agenda, including many teachers. Yeah, and if
their beliefs are so strong and they have been so
crazed by all this nonsense that is going on right now,
they're going to want to pass that on to the
younger kid.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But that you're making a point by accident, and I
think because the bill is saying that what they don't
want is for a teacher to get up in sight being.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Gay is great and whatever, or being gay is wrong.
You need to tell your parents.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
No, no, it's not. No. That's what the bill says,
is that if the teacher is aware or suspects that
a child is gay, that it's their duty to inform
the parents.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
As if the parents don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Well, sometimes the parents don't know. But I mean the
idea that work and this is such a Republican thing.
Now we want teachers to out those kids we want.
It can't be that, it can be that hate filled bill,
But you just twisted it in a way that I
think is hilarious. This fucking asshole hearting on all these
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men who are so homophobic and so outspoken about gay
is wrong. Ninety nine percent of the time they get
outed at a certain point.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Absolutely, But if if the bill called for teachers to
spout that being gay is an abomination and all that,
he would have no problem.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He would have no problem with that. So I guess what.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I'm saying is I'm just so tired of And we've
talked about this before. It's not about being conservative or
or liberal. It's about whether you're just decent or not.
And the current Republican Party just stands for hate. They
hate black people, they hate brown people, they hate gay people,
they hate Asian people.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Anybody who's absolutely them, yes, and they like to lump
people up in groups and categories. And I also think
that another another point when it comes to what we
were just talking about, you know, with with the kids,
I think that there are certain you know, when we
were growing up and we were in school, there are
certain things that are taught by the school, and there
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are other things that the school would not dream of
getting involved in, which just involves your home life. And
now I think for many years now that line has
been blurred where teachers feel like they can get into
every aspect of what's going on at that home life
of the child, which and parents feel like they need
to control what the teachers teach to their kids. There
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you know, you can say this, you can't say that.
How dare you talk to my child like this? Why
did you say that? And why did you teach them this?
And there's it's too much of a crossover. We need
to let teachers teach and parents parent, and they're getting
too unmixed. Yes, why why?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Interesting enough, Florida has a particularly strong law when it
comes to the school system and teachers that teachers have
a responsibility to report suspected abuse two dcfs or that's
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why it's nothing is so cut and dried, Like I
look at that, and I think every state should have
really good policies in place to protect children. I don't
know about you know, you see something that's suspicious in
your classroom and you immediately report it to child services.
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That could that's a slippery slope too, But I do
like the idea that there are policies in place that
if you suspect something that you involve other people, maybe
you go and you tell other faculty members, or you say, hey,
this is what I saw. What do you think we
should do? But now this to distort it on the
other side and say, if a child exhibits behavior that
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or comes off in a way that makes you think, oh,
maybe that child is gay, maybe that little boy is gay,
Well I'm going to tell the parents.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, it's that. But it's also the fact that many
young children right now, as young as in kindergarten, first grade,
second grade, they're talking about their family life, and family
life today looks very different than it did twenty years
ago or you know, a while ago, because a lot
of these kids have same sex parents. That's their family.
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That's what the school doesn't want them to talk about.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Right, that's noted in all these criticisms of this bill.
So what about the kid who has two fathers. Yeah,
they're not allowed to discuss it. The faculty is not
allowed to mention it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Right. It makes it then it makes the child feel
like they've got that there's something wrong with their family,
and that's completely wrong. We're living different times.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Court. This is just so bad.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So they're trying to put the toothpaste back in the
tube and it's never going to happen. But we've got
to deal with things the way they are today, and
it's very different.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
House would love to corner some of these people like
this fucking asshole hearting and.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Say what are you so scared of?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Why are you so engulfed in fear of gay people
of trans.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We don't know that it's black people, right, but we
don't know that it's just him. Again, it's the party
that he represents, of course, and the area that he represents.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Naming him because he's the sponsor of this particularly.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So obviously he's getting pressure from his you know, from
his area, from his people to pass this mandate or
this new law. But yeah, things look very different. And
I think if I had a child in school, I
would want the teacher to tell me if they're being bullied,
if they're if they're noticing something strange in class. I
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want to be notified of my child's behavior, but not
you know, when it comes to oh he seems gay
or they have a you know, same sex parent. So
we don't want anybody to talk about that, because other
parents may not be ready for their children to learn
about that, Well, it's too late. That's the world we're
living in a long time. You need to be open
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with it. And your children aren't bothered by it because
they're surrounded by all families that look completely different to theirs.
They don't need an explanation because they know they don't
know anything else. To them, everything is perfectly normal because
they're living in a very mixed environment. And I think
that that is great. It's inclusion. It's teaching them that
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everyone is different and everyone deserves equality, and everyone deserves respect,
regardless of how different their situation is at home or
with themselves or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Right, And to be so arrogant as to as to
define the word normal at this point exactly Normal is
whatever you're into.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Normal is whatever you know. Or if some peop but
don't like being normal, so then don't be normal. It's whatever,
just as long as you're a decent human and that's
what needs.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Normal is whatever you're into, even if you're into some
crazy sick shit. I'm not talking about that. I'm saying
it sarcastically, like to these quote air quote straight white men.
To them, normal is only what they are into.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, which is bullshit, you know, which is repression.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's I have a question for you. Switching gears for
a minute. So this was a news story. This isn't
really so much about this news story. But you probably
heard that Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who is a piece
of work, super anti vaxer guy. And look, he's entitled
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to his opinion. I've listened to a lot of what
he has to say, and I think he's full of shit,
and I think a lot of his information is reckless
and dangerous and risks a lot of people's health. But
he was doing he was speaking at some rally or
some speech, and he was he was criticizing the government
and that we don't have rights anymore and people's rights
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are dwindling down to nothing. And he said, and this
was his quote over a live microphone. Even in Hitler's Germany,
you could cross the Alps to Switzerland, you could hide
in an attic like Anne Frank did.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Well you can imagine that the anti definition in the
Jewish organizations, like people were like, did you just compare people?
Now what we're going through to Nazi Germany to and
Frank to the slaughter of Jews. Like that's how fucking
stupid this guy is. Okay, Yeah, so it was more
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than a twenty four hour news cycle on this. It
was probably a seventy two hour beating up of Robert F.
Kennedy junior and rightfully so. But more importantly, his wife,
who's a beautiful, really great actress that she's on she's
been on Curby Your Enthusiasm, Cheryl Hines, talented, she's married
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to him, mm hmm, and she, two days after this debacle.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I do remember this, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Publicly addressed it and said that her husband's reference to
Anne Frank was quote reprehensible and insensitive. The atrocities that
millions endured during the Holocaus should never be compared to
anyone or anything. His opinions are not a reflection of
my own.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
She tweeted this, Yeah, that's heavy.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
So here's my question. When you get to the point
where your significant other says or does something that you
have to publicly label as reprehensible, Wow, is there trouble
in paradise?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I mean, I would think so.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
If I did some thing that you that mortified you
that much and on a public scale. It's not a
thing that happened between us. Yeah, it's something that the
world knows I said or did.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, and I have to come out and separate yourself
from it. Oh that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Do you come back from that?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
That's tough because there have been couples who have disagreed politically.
There have been couples who, you know, politically say things
that enrage the other on a political level. But you know,
there are also some couples who got together because of that,
because of their debating on things, and they get past it.
But I think that we're living in a different world
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right now where you almost can't do that anymore. The
differences have become so extreme right that it's not like
it used to be where two adversaries, political adversaries could
fall in love because they just believed in different laws
and different bills and different direction for the country. And sure,
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you can get past that. That's very different now because
now you're either you know, a conspiracy theorist and you
want to go back in time, or you want progress
and you want to disassociate yourself from racists and whatever
that party represents, or communists and whatever that party represents.
You know, they're both throwing insults at each other that
(30:23):
are mostly inaccurate, you know, because obviously not everybody who's
a Republican is a racist, and not everyone who's a
Democrat is, you know, a hard socialist. I don't think
most Democrats are socialists, even though they want more equality
for everyone. I think some of them do border on
that because they don't understand what it is that they're
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talking about, the same way that a lot of Republicans
don't understand. So I don't know if this Robert Kennedy
was even understanding what he was saying, because that is
so stupid. This is a different level of stupid.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, it's not you, it's it's definitely stupid, but it's
also a different level of inflammatory.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And insensitivity, soul dismissal of I mean, he's something so important.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
He's in his seventies maybe or he's close to seventies,
and he's not a stupid man. He's not a man
who's not well read, who's not well educated. The idea
that your brain could say, I'm on an open microphone,
I've got in front of an audience and TV cameras,
I'm going to make a reference to Jews being slaughtered
(31:36):
in the Holocaust. Yeah, instead of thinking to yourself, I
should maybe tread lightly on this.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Wow, he just.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Went for it.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
What what do you think is going on there? Because,
like you said, he's seventy, Maybe there could be a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I mean, who knows, there.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Could be a little bit of something wrong going on,
and something wrong with.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Him for sure. But I don't mean I'm saying that
he's cognitive impaired. I think he's just just one of
those people, like so many other people. Yeah, he just
says the dumbest fucking shit out loud. But to the
point where your wife has to, yeah, separate herself from
you and your comments.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, that's a different level. I don't think I could
make it past that. You know, there are certain circumstances,
And your question was, you know, if your spouse embarrasses you.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Or and that is the word, like, could you get
over the embarrassment of that?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah? Because I think it depends on the situation. Someone
could not mean to cause harm and say something where
you understand what he's saying. Maybe he just said it
in front of a group of people that don't understand
his sense of humor or his sensibility when he speaking,
that's different. So I do think that people are embarrassed
by their spouses, But you have to kind of ask yourself, Oh,
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what was the cause of that. Oh I wish he
hadn't said that that way, or that joke was kind
of inappropriate for that, or but that's not what I'm
talking about, because you can excuse those things, sure, But
when someone appears to be ignorant and racist in front
of a large group of people, and you're both public people,
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and again, I think it's all relative, because even if
you're not a public person and it's just amongst your
friends that this happens, right, it could some people really
really do get bent out of shape and they get
embarrassed and humiliated. And if that's an ongoing thing in
your relationship, then I don't think you can get past that.
No one should be with someone who they feel completely embarrassed. Yeah,
(33:34):
that's clearly always going to be a problem. If you
don't admire and respect the person you're with, that's a problem, yeah,
and you either need to fix it or get out
of the relationships. So I don't know what the situation
is here with Cheryl Hines and her husband. We don't
know where they are in their marriage, and maybe she
feels the way he does. And she was just talked
(33:55):
into doing this by her publicist because she's on a
TV show. Yes, it's possible, So that's possible. Also, we
don't really know what the circumstances are, you know, But
if she's really if she really feels that way, I
don't know how you can overcome that. I don't know.
It's difficult, but how how? Oh I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, that was cringe.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That was so cringe.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
You know what else was cringe? What we were watching? Oh,
and we only watched three episodes. I think there are five.
We were watching this docu series called Secrets of Playboy,
and I wanted to watch it mainly because, you know, Hefner.
The whole Heffner story I think is interesting, how he
(34:40):
became successful, how he sort of empowered women and or
at least on paper. But then I kept hearing, oh,
you got you gotta see the Secrets of Playboy thing
he's a monster. He was a monster. That was the
word I kept hearing. He was a Hefner turned out
to be a monster, like we heard about Bill Cosby,
(35:01):
who absolutely is and so I was intrigued and I
wanted to kind of especially in the light of the
you two I love them too, but the me too movement,
and I wanted to see how he was being blumped
into this. And so we watched it, and it didn't
(35:25):
take us more than one episode to realize that there
was a tremendous agenda to this.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
App docu series.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Absolutely, And I just can we talk about this for
a minute because it's it's sensitive, Yeah, because I don't
want to be disrespectful to the women who are, you know,
the participants in this docu series who are telling their
story about him.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And by the way, the all the episodes that we
saw were pretty much the same. Yeah, nothing gained for us,
no new information in any of the episodes that we saw,
and it was basically most maybe three past playmates a.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Woman, No, one was never a playmate. One was a girl.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Who was his girlfriend who was part of the Girl's
next Door documentary.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Was a little girl who moved into the mansion and
lived in the mansion because her father was his doctor
and best friend.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, so half sort of helped.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Not helped raise her, but she grew up in the mansion,
and so she was part of that whole thing from
the time she was a little girl, and.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
She ended up.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Having an affair, like having a thing with one of
his girlfriends when she grew older.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So she had sex with one of his girlfriends. Yeah,
actually his main girlfriend at the time.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Which he didn't he wasn't thrilled.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well yeah, and he wasn't a part of it. Right,
But then she got upset because he called her into
the bedroom with the girlfriend, right one time.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
This is when she was an adult.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yes, well she was a young at yeah, I think
she was. I think she was like eighteen, eighteen or nineteen, which, yeah,
that's wrong, and this was thirty years ago, but yeah, something,
it was different, and she had already had sex with
his girlfriend, right. So then the girlfriend apparently left the
room and he said, okay, you can go back to
your room because she's not feeling well. So it wasn't
(37:21):
like half wanted to do anything with her. Once his
girlfriend left, who was the person that she had had
an affair with, right, he said, nothing else is going
to happen here without her, right, and she left, and
apparently she was upset about that.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Well, she was traumatized by it.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But let's also mention that even though she talked about
growing up in the mansion and how he felt like
a second father to her, and how she met all
these people and had a great time, wrote a book
about it, profited from it, and now it's still kind
of saying that some of the things she feels now
are wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And he, apparently, by her own interview in this docuseries,
when her book was coming out, he called her to
congratulate her.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, but that's that's where it gets. I think this
is what she's really upset about that he called it
to congratulate her on the book, and he asked her
what interviews she was doing, and then the mansion his
people called and canceled all those interviews. That's what she's
accusing him of, which you know, at that point, if
(38:26):
I was super kind to someone, I had someone living
in my house all growing up, and then when they
get older they write a book about me and my
home and how I run my business. I'm going to
try to stop that too, because whether they're saying nice
things or bad things, it's still it's still something that
(38:46):
was done without his consent, without his involvement and it's
about him. Yeah, so I understand why he tried to
stop it, and everybody's trying to accuse him of being
this horrible person. But what I did like about the
documentary is that they put a lot of people who
were talking nice things about Andrei, who were countering all
these claims. They were saying he was a kind man,
(39:09):
he was a wonderful friend, He treated everybody well, He
took care of everyone who was there. And yet there
are a few women who I'm sure have legit, you know, complaints,
but the few that we saw in this documentary did
not merit the taking down of a man's legacy. That's
(39:29):
how I felt too.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
It was it was several women who benefited greatly from
him in the ways that they did, but all wanted
something else, something further that he didn't provide them, and
so they decided to get together and do a docuseries
on what a monster he was.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, I don't think it's their docuseries because there was
a counter side.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
And look, I'm if anything, I'm probably more quick to
judge a man who's accused, or at least scrutinize it
and go I mean I'm sorry. Even as a guy,
I'm like, yeah, he was probably a fucking asshole with
this one. I was going, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And I believe the women when they're saying that they
were left with some you know, horrible experience. I believe them.
Anyone can have a horrible experience. But these women weren't saying, oh,
he raped me. Believe they forced me to go do
their own things. Right, So he did not sexually abuse
(40:34):
these women. To our knowledge far in the documentary, he
did not. They haven't accused him of that. They're accusing
him of not really liking the way they felt after
the whole experience, And I'm sorry, but that's not valid.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I also find I also feel like that's a slap
in the face to the real victims of the Me
Too movement.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I really do yeste that. Yeah, absolutely, some of all
these women who have been through true, truly horrific situations.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, this is a slap in the face of them.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
We'll be right back after this short break. Look, and
these women are entitled to feel however they want to feel.
But it's not worth making a documentary trying to deface
the legacy of this man to bring him down to
(41:33):
try to say he was a piece of shit, when
we can all actually say, well, what did he really
do to you? You put yourself in that situation. You
talk about what a great opportunity it was for you,
about how well they were taking care of him. It
provided this amazing life for you. How you became famous
for and rich for a while from it. There were
some rules and some things that you didn't like about it. Well,
(41:56):
you were free to leave, yeah, But for you to
say that it was a horrible misogynist, you know, maybe
it was, maybe it wasn't, but everyone had the freedom
to leave. And most of those women there, all of
the women there, from what I can see, voluntarily put
themselves in that situation. It was something that they aspired
(42:16):
to They aspired to live in the mansion, they aspired
to be in the magazine. They knew it was an
opportunity for their life, for their career. And then for
them to say, oh, well, I didn't feel so good
about the experience after, that's fair enough. But many people
don't feel good about the experience of any job that
they go into. Willingly. You can say, well, you know what, yeah,
(42:41):
that wasn't my favorite gig that I ever did, or
I didn't like that work environment, so I left. You
can say that for any office job, any industrial, corporate situation.
Why should this be any different. It's a job, it's
a lifestyle that everyone knows what it involves. It's about sexuality. Yeah,
it's about your body and it's about beauty. You go
(43:03):
into it willingly because you know it's going to offer
you opportunities. But then what you changed your mind twenty
years later? I'm sorry, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, it was just sort of it was irritating to me.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, so I definitely want to see a couple
more episodes to see if it But why would they
hold the most important It was like that he did
something horrific that he should have been in jail for
until the last episode. I can't if you.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Really want to watch you docuseries about a monster, oh.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
The cosmic that was disturbing.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
And that was that alone, that comparison alone, like this
this documseries about half yeah, compared to that, I mean jesus, yeah,
you can't compare it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And again, here's what we can say. I've been to
the mansion, I met Hugh Hefner. Yeah, I have been
offered to pose for Playboy a number of times when
I was at MTV, when I was in my twenties
and early thirties, I'd been offered to post for play Boy.
I didn't, not for any particular, you know, weird reason.
(44:05):
I just didn't. I said to myself, as long as
my father's alive, I'm not going to pose nude because
I don't want to embarrass him with his friends and
I'm still his little girl. That was my only reason,
Not because I thought there was anything wrong with posing nude, right,
And you and I have both been to the Mansion
at different times.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Mine was different.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, I want to hear about yours. I forgot it.
So I'd been to the mansion invited to parties a
number of times. So I've been to a bunch of
parties at the mansion and there were amazing hedonistic parties
where everybody had a great time. And yes they were
over the top, and they were a bit sexual, and
that girls were, you know, sometimes barely dressed and or
(44:48):
wearing very little. Sometimes there were people in the pool
who would naked.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Did you see any sexual activity at.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I never saw anything inappropriate, never, and any of the
girls who I met seemed to be happy. Not that
that means anything, but you know, having been there and
having met I can't say that I ever saw anything
that was surprising.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
You were at the Playboy Mansion. You expected to be
a bit over the top and unlike any other party
that you go to. And the truth is that there
were always many celebrities. A list celebrities filled that mansion.
At every party, everybody wanted to be there, and everybody
was there, all different types of people.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, so you just reminded me. I not, well.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
What was your experience at the mansion? Did I forget?
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, you forgot, but you just reminded me. I worked
with a couple of playmates, one Ava Fabian, who was
in my first video for Don't Mean Nothing, and then
she was in another video a couple of years later,
and I knew her a little bit through those and
I just distinct remember her talking about how much she
(46:03):
loved being part of the Playboy world and that Haffner
always treated her so well. And there was somebody else too,
and I think it was and this is ages ago.
There's a woman named Julie McCullough who was not only
a playmate. She ended up on a show Growing Pains,
(46:26):
and she and I did a commercial together for Polaroid
or something, and same thing. The few women I've known
who were part of that Playboy thing, all they said
were great things about him. And Okay, So when I
was nineteen, I was still sort of new in LA
and there was a jazz singer from Chicago who came
(46:48):
to play a club here and he was friends with
my dad. So I went to his club gig to
cheer him on, and Hefner was there, and Hefner knew
him from the Chicago days, and so he introduced me
to Hefner, who said, oh my god, I'm such a
fan of your dad, because he loved my dad's piano playing, etc.
He said, Hey, why don't you come up to the
(47:09):
mansion tonight? And I went what He yeah, I'll leave
your name at the security. And now I was alone,
so I went, I guess I'm going to the Playboy
Mansion tonight. And this is now at like ten thirty
at night. I get in my car. The guy who
I went to see the singer, he was going he
(47:30):
was older and he was going home to his hotel.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Whatever. I was so excited.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
I'm going to the mansion. I pull up the security
guy there says Richard Marx. Come on through the gates open.
You know, it's a pretty magnificent.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
View, you see.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Driving up to that driveway. I knock on the door.
This beautiful young lady answers the door, and I'm like,
oh my god, I can't believe this evening. She says,
oh yeah, come with me, and she takes me through
and in the kitchen, and I'm noticing that, like it's
dark everywhere, and not in a sexy way, like an
(48:08):
old person's house, like with who don't want the lights on?
And I go in the kitchen and Halfner is sitting
at the kitchen table playing poker with three other guys,
all had to have been older than him, so it's
this sort of senior citizen table of card playing. And
(48:28):
I'm looking around and that's all that's happening. There's no
other girls, there's no playmates, and Halfner says, oh yeah,
welcomers should have something to drink. And Cindy will show
you around the mansion. So she gives me a little tour.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
So you got a private tour of the manage.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
She took me to the gate. There was a I
remember there was a really fun game room with our
cages and stuff like that, and I stayed there for
like an hour and then went home.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
But that was really sweet of him to invite you,
even when that's the that's the experience. It's a little
I know, But again that goes to show that the
girls who were there were not.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
It was just somebody's home.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
It was just somebody's home. And it was so nice
that you got a private there of a very historic But.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Then when I did a charity event there that was
pretty amazing in the afternoon thing where I sang at
the mansion and was for it. I think it was
for Children of the Night. Yeah, it was anyway.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, So my experiences at the mansion were all what,
you know, what was expected. There was nothing weird or
or horrible about it. I you know, with respect to
people who have genuine stories of things that.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Would you've gotten in the grotto.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
No, you could not pay me enough to get into that. No, No,
there's a wad enough chlorine. With respect to some women
who may have had actual situations, what's going on in
this documentary feels like a witch hunt to me, they're
really trying to find something horrible to say about this man,
and I'm not seeing it so far. So there you go.
(50:10):
So maybe you guys can watch it and weigh in
on it. And the timing couldn't be more perfect. These
are the gardeners have started have started the blowers right
now through our cocktail hour, so good, Okay, okay, they're
usually not here this late.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
I guess better late than not.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
But yeah, yeah, it's going to get very loud.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
So uh, all right, we're going to wrap this up
for this week. Kids, check in with us next week.
Stay safe and healthy, and uh see you then bye.
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You didn't give me a kiss after that, but because.
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You were like, what's going on over there?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I wasn't sure. Here we are.
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Jinks, Wow, how many have we had already? Double and
we're in our We're in one of our other.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Locations, undisclosed locations.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Undisclosed locations. It's been nice just to have a little
break from the beauty and perfection of sunny California.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, that get so annoying.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
God, who needs that shit. We're like, we'll look at
the weather in LA and there's like eight days in
a row where it's just sun sun, sun eighty three,
eighty three. We're like, we got to get the fuck
out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Or one day where it's like there is a twenty
percent chance of showers. Oh my god, this is clo cloudy.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
For three hours on a Tuesday, We're like, we got
to get out of here.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Book of flights. The temperature drops like to seventy and
we're like, oh, it's freezing. We got to get out
of this cold.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're assholes. But it's been nice to just sort of
hang in our other one of our other places.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, and be with the family, be with the family.
Time is every thing. I need my dose of family
time every so often.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Plus there's something about being here where there's no COVID.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
COD it doesn't exist allegedly.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I mean the statistics which you say otherwise you know,
the people who are dying and intubated would so disagreeable.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I think it's obvious by now that we're in Florida.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
And it's just amazing how when we go out.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
There's just no It's weird because a lot of states
have lifted their mask mandate except for La County has
not or are there in the process of removing mask
mandates from some areas, outdoor areas, which I think is
crazy at this point.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well, I'll tell you what's crazy about it. Let's just
be specific. It's not even the mandates, it's the enforcement
of the mandates, so you you throw out some, you
get the newest, latest scientific data, and I don't even know. Look,
when it comes to politicians and government, I've become so
disgusted by all of them on both sides that I
(03:10):
feel like I'd like to still believe that decisions are
made based upon the most current scientific data. And if
that is true, they jumped to, oh, we got to
lock it down again. We gotta have mask mandates. You
have to wear a mask when you're in the grocery store.
And then you've got people who walk into the grocery store.
I'm not wearing a fucking mask. Fuck you, And for
(03:31):
whatever their reasons are, at the end of the day,
if there's a mask mandate and you're going to be
that person who's going to cause a scene because your freedom,
you're just an asshole.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I know. But we've talked about this.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
But I also it's like we had this situation at
the grocery store where there was a guy right behind
us and the cashier said, sir, I've told you either
put on a mask or you have to leave. And
the guy's with this little girl. That's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
He was with a two year old. I don't want
to start a fight with the guy with a little baby.
You know. Well, but the guy with the little baby's
ask things. He was being a dick. He was for
sure not being a nice guy. Your point to the
cashier was perfect.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I just turned to the cashier and I said, you know,
I just feel either we all should be wearing masks,
or none of us should be wearing masks, or we
should all be given the choice. You can't ask people
to wear a mask and then whoever doesn't want to
doesn't even though they're asked to. Yeah. So that was
(04:33):
you know, that was about a month ago. And I
think that we're in a different place now. Like you said,
and like I've always said, I don't think we need
to listen to politicians. In the beginning of the pandemic,
when things were really bad and we didn't really know
what was going on, we had limited science. Yes, I
think that everyone once we realized that this was okay,
(04:53):
we should all be masking up because this is going
to protect us and this is out of control, then
there were people who were like, fuck that I'm not
wearing a mask. Sure you should enforce it. At that point,
temporarily just for protection of everyone else because we didn't
really know what was going on. We're at a point
now where we see the numbers decreasing, hospitals are being
(05:15):
freed up. It seems like we're gaining her immunity, even
though many people are still getting sick and many people
are still dying. It is more, you know, people who
are compromised, and we understand what is going on now
more than we did two years ago. Right, So, where
(05:35):
most states have made masks optional for those who need
it more than others, I understand that that I've always
said it should be left up to the individual. You
should explain the circumstances, and those of us who understand
science would opt to wear a mask most of the
time for the last two years. So where everybody's loosening
(05:59):
up with the mask man, it's and here in Florida
they loosened up, you know, over a year ago when
we were here, hardly anyone was wearing a mask anywhere.
Then during uh Omikron they started wearing them again in
public places, and that was for a very short while,
and now almost no one is wearing them anywhere, although
(06:19):
we did wear it at Target. Yeah, mostly because I
didn't want to have seen the hosts what mostly because
I didn't want to be seen.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Left a long one motivation. You're like, it's like you
can't really go. You always even with if there were
no pandemic, you would be wearing a mask into Ross
because you don't want to be standing by your eye.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Of No, actually I actually do.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It's very cool.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Actually I'm very happy to be at Ross. Oh my god,
I'm like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
It is me. I'm wearing your underwear right now, you know,
speaking of the you mentioned, you just referenced really quickly
the suggestion of mass or the encouragement, not even the encouragement,
but just the option. And I had to just make
that decision because I'm finally going back to doing some
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shows in a couple of weeks, and I'm playing in Florida,
where you know, that's a mood point, sure, but in
Kentucky where it's a mood point. But some of the
other places I'm playing on that run of shows, the
venues came to me and said, we'd like your approval
of the wording of because there are still some artists
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who are saying mass are mandatory.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Right, It's up to the artist. Oh it is in
some cases.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Sometimes it's up to the venue, and sometimes the venue
is passing that option to the artist to say. And
I get it, like, if you're if you're an immunal,
compromise yourself. If I had issues where I had to
be if I'm going to get back on stage, I
have to have these safety precautions in place. Since I don't,
it was a no brainer to me to just make
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them optional sure, which means that hardly anybody will be
wearing them, which is fine because it's your choice.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, I don't, you know. I think the people who
we still see wearing masks, especially here in Florida, are
obviously people older people who I've seen some older people
wearing masks who may have some sort of underlying issue.
And I think that that's when you leave it to
the people, you know, And then you have these assholes
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that will see somebody wearing a mask and will make
fun of them or say something without realizing, well, that
person may need to protect themselves extra that person maybe
can't afford to even get a very mild version of COVID.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
So that comes down to, as we've talked about so
many times, that comes down to looking out for someone else,
looking out for fear fellow man, which has become a
thing that people just don't do anymore. They don't give a.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Fuck, absolutely, So we just need to go back to,
you know, letting everybody make that decision for themselves. And
I think you know, I've always I said throughout the
pandemic that sure there are a lot of people who
don't understand what's happening.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So wait, I'm sorry, not just let those people make
those decisions for themselves. You can't just leave it there
as long as there's no mandate in place.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Well, there wouldn't be a mandate in place if most
people were doing what's right.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I know, But I want to make it clear that
I'm with you that people should be it should be
up to them, unless it's like it should be up
to you to wear a shirt into an establishment, but
you know that because there's a sign on the door, Well,
if I want to go in there, I have to
have a shirt on.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well, it's kind of like the seatbelt law. It's like,
we all know we should be wearing the seat belt,
but they had to make it a law because a
lot of people were not wearing them, and.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
It is absolutely saved lives. Just as my favorite example
of what we're talking about, by the way, is not
even an American, it's a Canadian. I don't know if
you saw this. A couple of days ago at some
ski resort, which I'm going to assume is in western
Canada because of the time of year, there was a
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guy with his family who threw one of those fucking
tantrum baby tantrum hissy fits. Here's what from what I understand,
the resort only required a mask on the lifts because
sometimes you share the lifts with people, right, Yeah, sometimes
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it's just you and your family you take up that chair,
but sometimes maybe not. So they just to protect the
majority of people. They said, when you're on the lift,
the chairlift, you got to have a mask on, just
keep it in your pocket. Right. This guy was, I'm
not wearing the mask, and they had video of security
coming and forcibly like hauling his ass down onto the
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ice and pulling him away with his family screaming. Right.
The hilarious thing is this motherfucker was wearing a helmet, gloves, goggles,
wrisk guards, knee pads, but he wouldn't put on his
mask to ride the chairlift.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Oh, it's just so silly.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
So he now it went viral, so everyone that saw
it knows what a fucking baby man he is. Yeah,
what an asshole he is.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, like, dude, just it's forty five seconds up the chairlift.
Put on the fucking like, just do it. And I
just think that, Yeah, it's crazy, But we all need
to be a little bit more responsible for understanding the
science or understanding what's going on and not depending so
much on what the politicians decide to make a mandate.
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Because as we know these politicians, they may pass a
mandate that they don't themselves believe in just because they're followers,
their fans, their supporters won't support him if he says otherwise.
So again, that's politics, and it's corrupt. And the politicians
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who are saying the things that you want to hear
may not be walk in that walk right then. And
I don't think people see that. You know, they just
do what's expected of them. They get a job, and
a lot of them, i'm convinced, are Okay, I'll just
run Republican. Okay, I'll just run Democrat, just to run
and get the job. Right, So we really have to
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remember all of that. When it comes to listening to
politicians and really supporting them, you don't really know who
you're supporting, Yeah, because they will do whatever and they
will say whatever is required of them to hold on
to their supporters and their funding.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right, and they all now stick to the same exact
ideology and propaganda and the game story.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Both sides do this shit. We'll be right back after
this short break. It's just that.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I was gonna talk about this later, but we might
as well segue into it now because I want to
talk about it. Look, here's the thing about here's what
I've sort of found myself feeling about politicians in general.
And I can't really think of hardly any any examples
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contrary to this. But where I'm at right now is
when I look at the Democratic Party, I see a
group of weak, timid, spineless people who can't get a
whole lot of shit done. There's just there's a meek
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thing about the people in that party that is a
turn off to me big time too. However, they're also
the party that, especially currently I feel, seems to have the.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Greater good at heart.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I believe who are are trying to create programs and
policies that help.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
The greater good. Yes there's a you hear.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That word, and you hear that phrase, and assholes are
going to go, well, it's just socialism. Well okay, no,
fuck you, it's not. And by the way, enjoy your
stimulus check, you socialist, prick, hypocrite. But so I'm only
prefacing this because I get because I'm so critical of
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the Republicans, I'm assumed to be a Democrat. I'm neither.
I find I find politicians to be the most self
serving in sincere almost all of them. Yes, But on
the right, I've never seen anything like I'm seeing now.
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And we're now at a point now where it's for
the last year, year and a half, I mean, the
attack on women's rights has been mind blowing, mind blowing,
that abortion could be illegal again in some states. That
we're burning, they're burning books. They don't want their children
to be taught that there's been racism in history.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
They don't want to be taught the part of history
that includes racism because they want to keep it alive,
of course, But.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
The current thing that's happening that's really pissing me off,
and a lot of people off. Is happening.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Guess what? Right here in Florida. Oh surprised.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
There is a representative named Joe Harding, and he sponsored
this amendment which is being voted on I think any minute,
maybe even today, I don't know, but it's being called
the Don't Say Gay Bill. Have you heard about this?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
No? What this guy is sponsoring this bill? That he
Why haven't I heard of it? Why isn't this everywhere?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's everywhere. You've just been, all right, don't rub it in,
gol've been You've been distracted.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
It.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I'm going to read you. You know the actual wording
of this. A new amendment to Florida's so called Don't
Say Gay Bill would explicitly require schools to inform parents
of their child's sexual orientation and put a deadline on
how soon they must tell the family. The amendment, filed
by bill sponsor Motherfucker Representative Joe Harding on February eighteenth,
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changes the bill to instead not only require disclosure, but
requires school to tell parents within six weeks of learning
the student is any sexual orientation other than straight.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So people are of course outraged about this. There's wording
in this bill that makes a little tiny bit of
sense to me. The wording in the bill that makes
sense to me is that they are, and this is
where it's a slippery slope. They're saying that they don't
want faculty to instruct or teach about sexual orientation or
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identity between kindergarten and third grade. I get that, I
get I get that I wouldn't want that information necessarily
volunteered to my five year old.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Exactly. I feel like from somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Right when I feel like my kid is ready to
understand what there are all kinds of people in the world,
and that'll be my decision. But at a certain point
you can't. But the problem is that I don't think
there's much of the threat of The threat, for lack
of a better word, of a teacher standing up in
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a classroom and getting into that with a kindergarten is
such a microscopic possibility. A teacher knows that that's inappropriate
and they're going to.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Get fired, Well it depends. I disagree, because you're putting
a lot of dignity and responsibility on that teacher while
forgetting that many of those teachers are ignorant qann morons
who are homophobic misogynists, racist assholes. Yeah, so that in
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those cases you don't It depends on who's talking to
your child, because you can't screen all those teachers. We
assume that all the teachers that are in place, even
at the best schools, are all very neutral, fair, equality driven,
all looking to teach the right things to the children. No,
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everyone has an agenda, including many teachers. Yeah, and if
their beliefs are so strong and they have been so
crazed by all this nonsense that is going on right now,
they're going to want to pass that on to the
younger kid.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
But that you're making a point by accident, and I
think because the bill is saying that what they don't
want is for a teacher to get up in sight being.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Gay is great and whatever, or being gay is wrong.
You need to tell your parents.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
No, no, it's not. No. That's what the bill says,
is that if the teacher is aware or suspects that
a child is gay, that it's their duty to inform
the parents.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
As if the parents don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Well, sometimes the parents don't know. But I mean the
idea that work and this is such a Republican thing.
Now we want teachers to out those kids we want.
It can't be that, it can be that hate filled bill,
But you just twisted it in a way that I
think is hilarious. This fucking asshole hearting on all these
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men who are so homophobic and so outspoken about gay
is wrong. Ninety nine percent of the time they get
outed at a certain point.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Absolutely, But if if the bill called for teachers to
spout that being gay is an abomination and all that,
he would have no problem.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He would have no problem with that. So I guess what.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
I'm saying is I'm just so tired of And we've
talked about this before. It's not about being conservative or
or liberal. It's about whether you're just decent or not.
And the current Republican Party just stands for hate. They
hate black people, they hate brown people, they hate gay people,
they hate Asian people.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Anybody who's absolutely them, yes, and they like to lump
people up in groups and categories. And I also think
that another another point when it comes to what we
were just talking about, you know, with with the kids,
I think that there are certain you know, when we
were growing up and we were in school, there are
certain things that are taught by the school, and there
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are other things that the school would not dream of
getting involved in, which just involves your home life. And
now I think for many years now that line has
been blurred where teachers feel like they can get into
every aspect of what's going on at that home life
of the child, which and parents feel like they need
to control what the teachers teach to their kids. There
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you know, you can say this, you can't say that.
How dare you talk to my child like this? Why
did you say that? And why did you teach them this?
And there's it's too much of a crossover. We need
to let teachers teach and parents parent, and they're getting
too unmixed. Yes, why why?
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Interesting enough, Florida has a particularly strong law when it
comes to the school system and teachers that teachers have
a responsibility to report suspected abuse two dcfs or that's
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why it's nothing is so cut and dried, Like I
look at that, and I think every state should have
really good policies in place to protect children. I don't
know about you know, you see something that's suspicious in
your classroom and you immediately report it to child services.
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That could that's a slippery slope too, But I do
like the idea that there are policies in place that
if you suspect something that you involve other people, maybe
you go and you tell other faculty members, or you say, hey,
this is what I saw. What do you think we
should do? But now this to distort it on the
other side and say, if a child exhibits behavior that
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or comes off in a way that makes you think, oh,
maybe that child is gay, maybe that little boy is gay,
Well I'm going to tell the parents.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Yeah, it's that. But it's also the fact that many
young children right now, as young as in kindergarten, first grade,
second grade, they're talking about their family life, and family
life today looks very different than it did twenty years
ago or you know, a while ago, because a lot
of these kids have same sex parents. That's their family.
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That's what the school doesn't want them to talk about.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Right, that's noted in all these criticisms of this bill.
So what about the kid who has two fathers. Yeah,
they're not allowed to discuss it. The faculty is not
allowed to mention it.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Right. It makes it then it makes the child feel
like they've got that there's something wrong with their family,
and that's completely wrong. We're living different times.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Court. This is just so bad.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
So they're trying to put the toothpaste back in the
tube and it's never going to happen. But we've got
to deal with things the way they are today, and
it's very different.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
House would love to corner some of these people like
this fucking asshole hearting and.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Say what are you so scared of?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Why are you so engulfed in fear of gay people
of trans.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
We don't know that it's black people, right, but we
don't know that it's just him. Again, it's the party
that he represents, of course, and the area that he represents.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
Naming him because he's the sponsor of this particularly.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
So obviously he's getting pressure from his you know, from
his area, from his people to pass this mandate or
this new law. But yeah, things look very different. And
I think if I had a child in school, I
would want the teacher to tell me if they're being bullied,
if they're if they're noticing something strange in class. I
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want to be notified of my child's behavior, but not
you know, when it comes to oh he seems gay
or they have a you know, same sex parent. So
we don't want anybody to talk about that, because other
parents may not be ready for their children to learn
about that, Well, it's too late. That's the world we're
living in a long time. You need to be open
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with it. And your children aren't bothered by it because
they're surrounded by all families that look completely different to theirs.
They don't need an explanation because they know they don't
know anything else. To them, everything is perfectly normal because
they're living in a very mixed environment. And I think
that that is great. It's inclusion. It's teaching them that
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everyone is different and everyone deserves equality, and everyone deserves respect,
regardless of how different their situation is at home or
with themselves or whatever.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Right, And to be so arrogant as to as to
define the word normal at this point exactly Normal is
whatever you're into.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Normal is whatever you know. Or if some peop but
don't like being normal, so then don't be normal. It's whatever,
just as long as you're a decent human and that's
what needs.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Normal is whatever you're into, even if you're into some
crazy sick shit. I'm not talking about that. I'm saying
it sarcastically, like to these quote air quote straight white men.
To them, normal is only what they are into.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, which is bullshit, you know, which is repression.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
That's I have a question for you. Switching gears for
a minute. So this was a news story. This isn't
really so much about this news story. But you probably
heard that Robert F. Kennedy Junior, who is a piece
of work, super anti vaxer guy. And look, he's entitled
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to his opinion. I've listened to a lot of what
he has to say, and I think he's full of shit,
and I think a lot of his information is reckless
and dangerous and risks a lot of people's health. But
he was doing he was speaking at some rally or
some speech, and he was he was criticizing the government
and that we don't have rights anymore and people's rights
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are dwindling down to nothing. And he said, and this
was his quote over a live microphone. Even in Hitler's Germany,
you could cross the Alps to Switzerland, you could hide
in an attic like Anne Frank did.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Well you can imagine that the anti definition in the
Jewish organizations, like people were like, did you just compare people?
Now what we're going through to Nazi Germany to and
Frank to the slaughter of Jews. Like that's how fucking
stupid this guy is. Okay, Yeah, so it was more
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than a twenty four hour news cycle on this. It
was probably a seventy two hour beating up of Robert F.
Kennedy junior and rightfully so. But more importantly, his wife,
who's a beautiful, really great actress that she's on she's
been on Curby Your Enthusiasm, Cheryl Hines, talented, she's married
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to him, mm hmm, and she, two days after this debacle.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I do remember this, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Publicly addressed it and said that her husband's reference to
Anne Frank was quote reprehensible and insensitive. The atrocities that
millions endured during the Holocaus should never be compared to
anyone or anything. His opinions are not a reflection of
my own.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
She tweeted this, Yeah, that's heavy.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
So here's my question. When you get to the point
where your significant other says or does something that you
have to publicly label as reprehensible, Wow, is there trouble
in paradise?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
I mean, I would think so.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
If I did some thing that you that mortified you
that much and on a public scale. It's not a
thing that happened between us. Yeah, it's something that the
world knows I said or did.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, and I have to come out and separate yourself
from it. Oh that's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Do you come back from that?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
That's tough because there have been couples who have disagreed politically.
There have been couples who, you know, politically say things
that enrage the other on a political level. But you know,
there are also some couples who got together because of that,
because of their debating on things, and they get past it.
But I think that we're living in a different world
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right now where you almost can't do that anymore. The
differences have become so extreme right that it's not like
it used to be where two adversaries, political adversaries could
fall in love because they just believed in different laws
and different bills and different direction for the country. And sure,
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you can get past that. That's very different now because
now you're either you know, a conspiracy theorist and you
want to go back in time, or you want progress
and you want to disassociate yourself from racists and whatever
that party represents, or communists and whatever that party represents.
You know, they're both throwing insults at each other that
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are mostly inaccurate, you know, because obviously not everybody who's
a Republican is a racist, and not everyone who's a
Democrat is, you know, a hard socialist. I don't think
most Democrats are socialists, even though they want more equality
for everyone. I think some of them do border on
that because they don't understand what it is that they're
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talking about, the same way that a lot of Republicans
don't understand. So I don't know if this Robert Kennedy
was even understanding what he was saying, because that is
so stupid. This is a different level of stupid.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah, it's not you, it's it's definitely stupid, but it's
also a different level of inflammatory.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
And insensitivity, soul dismissal of I mean, he's something so important.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
He's in his seventies maybe or he's close to seventies,
and he's not a stupid man. He's not a man
who's not well read, who's not well educated. The idea
that your brain could say, I'm on an open microphone,
I've got in front of an audience and TV cameras,
I'm going to make a reference to Jews being slaughtered
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in the Holocaust. Yeah, instead of thinking to yourself, I
should maybe tread lightly on this.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Wow, he just.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Went for it.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
What what do you think is going on there? Because,
like you said, he's seventy, Maybe there could be a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I mean, who knows, there.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Could be a little bit of something wrong going on,
and something wrong with.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Him for sure. But I don't mean I'm saying that
he's cognitive impaired. I think he's just just one of
those people, like so many other people. Yeah, he just
says the dumbest fucking shit out loud. But to the
point where your wife has to, yeah, separate herself from
you and your comments.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, that's a different level. I don't think I could
make it past that. You know, there are certain circumstances,
And your question was, you know, if your spouse embarrasses you.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Or and that is the word, like, could you get
over the embarrassment of that?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah? Because I think it depends on the situation. Someone
could not mean to cause harm and say something where
you understand what he's saying. Maybe he just said it
in front of a group of people that don't understand
his sense of humor or his sensibility when he speaking,
that's different. So I do think that people are embarrassed
by their spouses, But you have to kind of ask yourself, Oh,
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what was the cause of that. Oh I wish he
hadn't said that that way, or that joke was kind
of inappropriate for that, or but that's not what I'm
talking about, because you can excuse those things, sure, But
when someone appears to be ignorant and racist in front
of a large group of people, and you're both public people,
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and again, I think it's all relative, because even if
you're not a public person and it's just amongst your
friends that this happens, right, it could some people really
really do get bent out of shape and they get
embarrassed and humiliated. And if that's an ongoing thing in
your relationship, then I don't think you can get past that.
No one should be with someone who they feel completely embarrassed. Yeah,
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that's clearly always going to be a problem. If you
don't admire and respect the person you're with, that's a problem, yeah,
and you either need to fix it or get out
of the relationships. So I don't know what the situation
is here with Cheryl Hines and her husband. We don't
know where they are in their marriage, and maybe she
feels the way he does. And she was just talked
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into doing this by her publicist because she's on a
TV show. Yes, it's possible, So that's possible. Also, we
don't really know what the circumstances are, you know, But
if she's really if she really feels that way, I
don't know how you can overcome that. I don't know.
It's difficult, but how how? Oh I can't imagine.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, that was cringe.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
That was so cringe.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
You know what else was cringe? What we were watching? Oh,
and we only watched three episodes. I think there are five.
We were watching this docu series called Secrets of Playboy,
and I wanted to watch it mainly because, you know, Hefner.
The whole Heffner story I think is interesting, how he
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became successful, how he sort of empowered women and or
at least on paper. But then I kept hearing, oh,
you got you gotta see the Secrets of Playboy thing
he's a monster. He was a monster. That was the
word I kept hearing. He was a Hefner turned out
to be a monster, like we heard about Bill Cosby,
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who absolutely is and so I was intrigued and I
wanted to kind of especially in the light of the
you two I love them too, but the me too movement,
and I wanted to see how he was being blumped
into this. And so we watched it, and it didn't
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take us more than one episode to realize that there
was a tremendous agenda to this.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
App docu series.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Absolutely, And I just can we talk about this for
a minute because it's it's sensitive, Yeah, because I don't
want to be disrespectful to the women who are, you know,
the participants in this docu series who are telling their
story about him.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And by the way, the all the episodes that we
saw were pretty much the same. Yeah, nothing gained for us,
no new information in any of the episodes that we saw,
and it was basically most maybe three past playmates a.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Woman, No, one was never a playmate. One was a girl.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Who was his girlfriend who was part of the Girl's
next Door documentary.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Was a little girl who moved into the mansion and
lived in the mansion because her father was his doctor
and best friend.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, so half sort of helped.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Not helped raise her, but she grew up in the mansion,
and so she was part of that whole thing from
the time she was a little girl, and.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
She ended up.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Having an affair, like having a thing with one of
his girlfriends when she grew older.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
So she had sex with one of his girlfriends. Yeah,
actually his main girlfriend at the time.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Which he didn't he wasn't thrilled.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Well yeah, and he wasn't a part of it. Right,
But then she got upset because he called her into
the bedroom with the girlfriend, right one time.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
This is when she was an adult.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yes, well she was a young at yeah, I think
she was. I think she was like eighteen, eighteen or nineteen, which, yeah,
that's wrong, and this was thirty years ago, but yeah, something,
it was different, and she had already had sex with
his girlfriend, right. So then the girlfriend apparently left the
room and he said, okay, you can go back to
your room because she's not feeling well. So it wasn't
(37:21):
like half wanted to do anything with her. Once his
girlfriend left, who was the person that she had had
an affair with, right, he said, nothing else is going
to happen here without her, right, and she left, and
apparently she was upset about that.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Well, she was traumatized by it.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
But let's also mention that even though she talked about
growing up in the mansion and how he felt like
a second father to her, and how she met all
these people and had a great time, wrote a book
about it, profited from it, and now it's still kind
of saying that some of the things she feels now
are wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And he, apparently, by her own interview in this docuseries,
when her book was coming out, he called her to
congratulate her.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, but that's that's where it gets. I think this
is what she's really upset about that he called it
to congratulate her on the book, and he asked her
what interviews she was doing, and then the mansion his
people called and canceled all those interviews. That's what she's
accusing him of, which you know, at that point, if
(38:26):
I was super kind to someone, I had someone living
in my house all growing up, and then when they
get older they write a book about me and my
home and how I run my business. I'm going to
try to stop that too, because whether they're saying nice
things or bad things, it's still it's still something that
(38:46):
was done without his consent, without his involvement and it's
about him. Yeah, so I understand why he tried to
stop it, and everybody's trying to accuse him of being
this horrible person. But what I did like about the
documentary is that they put a lot of people who
were talking nice things about Andrei, who were countering all
these claims. They were saying he was a kind man,
(39:09):
he was a wonderful friend, He treated everybody well, He
took care of everyone who was there. And yet there
are a few women who I'm sure have legit, you know, complaints,
but the few that we saw in this documentary did
not merit the taking down of a man's legacy. That's
(39:29):
how I felt too.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
It was it was several women who benefited greatly from
him in the ways that they did, but all wanted
something else, something further that he didn't provide them, and
so they decided to get together and do a docuseries
on what a monster he was.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, I don't think it's their docuseries because there was
a counter side.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
And look, I'm if anything, I'm probably more quick to
judge a man who's accused, or at least scrutinize it
and go I mean I'm sorry. Even as a guy,
I'm like, yeah, he was probably a fucking asshole with
this one. I was going, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (40:12):
And I believe the women when they're saying that they
were left with some you know, horrible experience. I believe them.
Anyone can have a horrible experience. But these women weren't saying, oh,
he raped me. Believe they forced me to go do
their own things. Right, So he did not sexually abuse
(40:34):
these women. To our knowledge far in the documentary, he
did not. They haven't accused him of that. They're accusing
him of not really liking the way they felt after
the whole experience, And I'm sorry, but that's not valid.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
I also find I also feel like that's a slap
in the face to the real victims of the Me
Too movement.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I really do yeste that. Yeah, absolutely, some of all
these women who have been through true, truly horrific situations.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Yeah, this is a slap in the face of them.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
We'll be right back after this short break. Look, and
these women are entitled to feel however they want to feel.
But it's not worth making a documentary trying to deface
the legacy of this man to bring him down to
(41:33):
try to say he was a piece of shit, when
we can all actually say, well, what did he really
do to you? You put yourself in that situation. You
talk about what a great opportunity it was for you,
about how well they were taking care of him. It
provided this amazing life for you. How you became famous
for and rich for a while from it. There were
some rules and some things that you didn't like about it. Well,
(41:56):
you were free to leave, yeah, But for you to
say that it was a horrible misogynist, you know, maybe
it was, maybe it wasn't, but everyone had the freedom
to leave. And most of those women there, all of
the women there, from what I can see, voluntarily put
themselves in that situation. It was something that they aspired
(42:16):
to They aspired to live in the mansion, they aspired
to be in the magazine. They knew it was an
opportunity for their life, for their career. And then for
them to say, oh, well, I didn't feel so good
about the experience after, that's fair enough. But many people
don't feel good about the experience of any job that
they go into. Willingly. You can say, well, you know what, yeah,
(42:41):
that wasn't my favorite gig that I ever did, or
I didn't like that work environment, so I left. You
can say that for any office job, any industrial, corporate situation.
Why should this be any different. It's a job, it's
a lifestyle that everyone knows what it involves. It's about sexuality. Yeah,
it's about your body and it's about beauty. You go
(43:03):
into it willingly because you know it's going to offer
you opportunities. But then what you changed your mind twenty
years later? I'm sorry, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, it was just sort of it was irritating to me.
Speaker 2 (43:14):
Yeah, yeah, so I definitely want to see a couple
more episodes to see if it But why would they
hold the most important It was like that he did
something horrific that he should have been in jail for
until the last episode. I can't if you.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Really want to watch you docuseries about a monster, oh.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
The cosmic that was disturbing.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
And that was that alone, that comparison alone, like this
this documseries about half yeah, compared to that, I mean jesus, yeah,
you can't compare it.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And again, here's what we can say. I've been to
the mansion, I met Hugh Hefner. Yeah, I have been
offered to pose for Playboy a number of times when
I was at MTV, when I was in my twenties
and early thirties, I'd been offered to post for play Boy.
I didn't, not for any particular, you know, weird reason.
(44:05):
I just didn't. I said to myself, as long as
my father's alive, I'm not going to pose nude because
I don't want to embarrass him with his friends and
I'm still his little girl. That was my only reason,
Not because I thought there was anything wrong with posing nude, right,
And you and I have both been to the Mansion
at different times.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Mine was different.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, I want to hear about yours. I forgot it.
So I'd been to the mansion invited to parties a
number of times. So I've been to a bunch of
parties at the mansion and there were amazing hedonistic parties
where everybody had a great time. And yes they were
over the top, and they were a bit sexual, and
that girls were, you know, sometimes barely dressed and or
(44:48):
wearing very little. Sometimes there were people in the pool
who would naked.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Did you see any sexual activity at.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
I never saw anything inappropriate, never, and any of the
girls who I met seemed to be happy. Not that
that means anything, but you know, having been there and
having met I can't say that I ever saw anything
that was surprising.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
You were at the Playboy Mansion. You expected to be
a bit over the top and unlike any other party
that you go to. And the truth is that there
were always many celebrities. A list celebrities filled that mansion.
At every party, everybody wanted to be there, and everybody
was there, all different types of people.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, so you just reminded me. I not, well.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
What was your experience at the mansion? Did I forget?
Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, you forgot, but you just reminded me. I worked
with a couple of playmates, one Ava Fabian, who was
in my first video for Don't Mean Nothing, and then
she was in another video a couple of years later,
and I knew her a little bit through those and
I just distinct remember her talking about how much she
(46:03):
loved being part of the Playboy world and that Haffner
always treated her so well. And there was somebody else too,
and I think it was and this is ages ago.
There's a woman named Julie McCullough who was not only
a playmate. She ended up on a show Growing Pains,
(46:26):
and she and I did a commercial together for Polaroid
or something, and same thing. The few women I've known
who were part of that Playboy thing, all they said
were great things about him. And Okay, So when I
was nineteen, I was still sort of new in LA
and there was a jazz singer from Chicago who came
(46:48):
to play a club here and he was friends with
my dad. So I went to his club gig to
cheer him on, and Hefner was there, and Hefner knew
him from the Chicago days, and so he introduced me
to Hefner, who said, oh my god, I'm such a
fan of your dad, because he loved my dad's piano playing, etc.
He said, Hey, why don't you come up to the
(47:09):
mansion tonight? And I went what He yeah, I'll leave
your name at the security. And now I was alone,
so I went, I guess I'm going to the Playboy
Mansion tonight. And this is now at like ten thirty
at night. I get in my car. The guy who
I went to see the singer, he was going he
(47:30):
was older and he was going home to his hotel.
Speaker 2 (47:33):
Whatever. I was so excited.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
I'm going to the mansion. I pull up the security
guy there says Richard Marx. Come on through the gates open.
You know, it's a pretty magnificent.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
View, you see.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
Driving up to that driveway. I knock on the door.
This beautiful young lady answers the door, and I'm like,
oh my god, I can't believe this evening. She says,
oh yeah, come with me, and she takes me through
and in the kitchen, and I'm noticing that, like it's
dark everywhere, and not in a sexy way, like an
(48:08):
old person's house, like with who don't want the lights on?
And I go in the kitchen and Halfner is sitting
at the kitchen table playing poker with three other guys,
all had to have been older than him, so it's
this sort of senior citizen table of card playing. And
(48:28):
I'm looking around and that's all that's happening. There's no
other girls, there's no playmates, and Halfner says, oh yeah,
welcomers should have something to drink. And Cindy will show
you around the mansion. So she gives me a little tour.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
So you got a private tour of the manage.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
She took me to the gate. There was a I
remember there was a really fun game room with our
cages and stuff like that, and I stayed there for
like an hour and then went home.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
But that was really sweet of him to invite you,
even when that's the that's the experience. It's a little
I know, But again that goes to show that the
girls who were there were not.
Speaker 1 (49:08):
It was just somebody's home.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
It was just somebody's home. And it was so nice
that you got a private there of a very historic But.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
Then when I did a charity event there that was
pretty amazing in the afternoon thing where I sang at
the mansion and was for it. I think it was
for Children of the Night. Yeah, it was anyway.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah, So my experiences at the mansion were all what,
you know, what was expected. There was nothing weird or
or horrible about it. I you know, with respect to
people who have genuine stories of things that.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Would you've gotten in the grotto.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
No, you could not pay me enough to get into that. No, No,
there's a wad enough chlorine. With respect to some women
who may have had actual situations, what's going on in
this documentary feels like a witch hunt to me, they're
really trying to find something horrible to say about this man,
and I'm not seeing it so far. So there you go.
(50:10):
So maybe you guys can watch it and weigh in
on it. And the timing couldn't be more perfect. These
are the gardeners have started have started the blowers right
now through our cocktail hour, so good, Okay, okay, they're
usually not here this late.
Speaker 1 (50:28):
I guess better late than not.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
But yeah, yeah, it's going to get very loud.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
So uh, all right, we're going to wrap this up
for this week. Kids, check in with us next week.
Stay safe and healthy, and uh see you then bye.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Thanks for listening to Tequila Talk with Daisy Puintez and
Richard Marx.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
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