Misinformation and the Media

This week the couple talks about the importance of fact-checking all media outlets these days. Joe Rogan may be wrong about a few things, but should we be holding him accountable?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Hut Media.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Oh you came to me this time. You made me
spill my tequila.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Everything.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, I get so nervous around you.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
I like that, keep you on your toes. I mean,
have you seen you? Have you seen me right now?
It doesn't matter. When have you seen me without the filters?
I've seen you.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I've seen you without anything many many, many many times,
and I just stand in awe.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I kind of hope if I put enough pictures out
there that are filtered, that eventually you'll just start thinking
that's the way I look in real life. I know
that you look better in real life. And it worked.
Ladies and gentlemen fishing.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
For compliments, not just the love filter, it's that you're
so fucking hot.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Okay, pour yourself a glass of your finest tequila or
whatever you drink from straw Hut Media. This is Tekeil
the Talk with Daisy Foytes and Richard Mox.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
Do you mind here's a question I've never asked you. Really,
I'm going to.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Ask you this in front of all of our listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
So in our relationship, I was thinking about this today.
I'll tell you why.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
So I don't mind sharing this with our listeners in
our house. In our recently new house, we have in
our master bedroom we have a closet each, and we
have we share a bathroom, but it has two toilet cubicles,

(01:47):
two toilet roofs, which is what people say is the key.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
To a happy marriage. A toilet cubicle would be a
deal breaker for me.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Now, Yes, we have two toilet rooms in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yes, we hope in separate places.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
We just spell it right out there. I decided that
in my room.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yeah, and I should back this up.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
So in a house that we lived in previously, yeah,
we we only had one in our in our bathroom,
our master bathroom.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
You mean in our we had one bathroom that we used.
We had six others that we didn't use, right, But
in our.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
In the master bathroom, right, the poopy room, the poopy room, right,
there was just one of them.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
But what we decided to do was put up pictures
of us, yes, on all the walls. And it was
so great, like pictures from our whole relationship. Yes, And
there was there was one picture that was just a
view that I took at the Brando Island in a

(03:05):
bathing suit, standing in the water and all, I loved
all the pictures in that poopy room, but I found
myself always zeroing in on that one. And so in
this new house, since we have two of those rooms,
I pretty much have wallpapered mine with pictures of you.

(03:26):
So there's one wall that's pictures of us that then
the rest of the pictures are pictures of you, and
they're really sexy pictures, thank you. So one could argue
that I'm objectifying you, and one could argue that when
I look at you and say, look that ass, that

(03:48):
that's objectifying you. Or I just come up and grab
you wherever I want.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Well, I just come up and grab you wherever I want, true,
and I feel so objectified. Yeah, I love it? Is
it really though?

Speaker 2 (04:03):
If it's if you have a relationship with someone who
loves that, and like I know that were there would
be people who would frown upon me saying, oh my god,
your ass looks so good in those pants, or oh
your rack looks great or whatever. I'm just admiring the

(04:25):
physical beauty that you possess. Has nothing to do with
me not adoring you in all the other ways that
I do. It's just that once in a while I
focus on the visual, which is that I think you're
fucking hot.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
See, I think it's I think it's cute, and I
think it's funny the way you do it sometimes, and
I personally like feeling like you're checking me out or
like you still desire me. You know. The only time
that that would be wrong or bad is the is
if someone is made to feel uncomfortable by it. So

(05:00):
when you did those things, I said, you know what,
I don't like when you say that, and it doesn't
make me feel good, and it's I feel like you're
objectifying me, then that's fair enough. Then you would stop, right.
Just like if we had a couple over or people over.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I wouldn't come up behind you and put my hands
up your shirt right in front of them, right, because
that would be inappropriate.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Right.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
But I think that it all depends on the person
there are. You know, some people have had trauma in
their life where maybe that's part of their trauma and
maybe some of those things takes them back or triggers
them or whatever. In that case, I think, yeah, it's
it's wrong and you need to stop. It's different for
everyone and every situation is different, but we are you know,

(05:46):
I think if I didn't feel completely respected and worshiped
by you, that that might bother me if that was
all that you were throwing my way, because it was
all physical attributes. Kay. But the fact that you do
that every now and then, I actually think is funny
and cute. And you know, the rest of the time
you are just adoring me and you're always respectful of me,

(06:07):
And I think that that is why it doesn't bother me. Cool.
It depends on the person, I think. I know.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
I mean, obviously it was a rhetorical question in that
I know it doesn't bother me, right, But I've never
asked you if you're aware that sometimes I completely objectify you.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I don't think of it that way at all. If
I did, then I would have said something. But no,
I don't think of it that way at all.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, oh my god, you should see the picture in
my closet.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Anyway, you guys, that's a really good idea. That something
that we started. And you know, when friends come over
and they want to see the house and we show
them our bathroom, and by the way, we do this
also in our powder rooms, which are our public powder
rooms in the house where our guests all go. We
have one of our powder rooms filled pretty much wallpapered

(06:58):
with your plant of albums and all of your awards
up on the wall, and people take their time in
the bathroom and they look around. They're like, Oh, I
didn't know you did that record, and I don't know
you worked with so and so, And it's really fun.
But on a personal level, you know, whether you have
your own private toilet room in your bathroom or not,

(07:19):
even if it's just a bathroom that you both share
in your in your main bedroom, I think it's a
really great idea to fill it with photos of you
and your spouse or you and your lover, because you
spend a lot of time in the bathroom, you know,
when you're you going there every day you you shower,

(07:40):
you're getting ready, or you know, you're on the toilet,
and it's nice to be surrounded by photos that are
filled with great memories and remind you of of great
loves and you know and all that. And I think
that's really a good idea. It's a fun idea that
I like to share.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Okay, we have to talk about something that's been in
the news the last the past week.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
The whole Spotify, Joe.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Rogan, Neil Young fiasco, fiasco. I have a lot to
say about it to maybe ask you about, although we've
discussed it at length.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, and let me just fill in a little bit
of what happened for the folks not aware, and let
me see if I get this right.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I also want to preface this whole conversation by saying that,
in general, I am not a fan of Joe Rogan
at all. I don't I've never really been a particularly
like I'm not particularly anti him, but there have been
many times when I've heard things that he said or
platform that I went.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Dude, yeah, you know what, And that doesn't really matter.
This isn't really even about whether you are a Joe
Rogan fan or not. It has nothing to do with that,
because you have to do Rogan with anyone.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
No, it has to do with that in that people
who are a fan of someone will give that person
a pass, and I'm just saying I'm not giving anybody
a pass, all right.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
But it's not really about that. So what happened for
those of you who don't know, Because this really went
viral on social media and especially on Twitter, it has
become a thing you know, a big news item. So
in case you don't know, what happened was that Joe
Rogan has been talking some about some inaccuracies regarding COVID,

(09:36):
regarding the COVID vaccine, regarding COVID treatment. This goes back
even you know, during lockdown, when you know, I think
he got COVID, and he said that he was taking
this horse tranquilizer as a treatment. What was it called.
So he was taking this and then a lot of

(09:58):
people came out and said, you know, that is not
an authorized treatment. That is reckless. It's reckless, and they
really turned on him. And then I went to check
to see what happened, and Joe Rogan had put out
a statement saying, look, I did not mean to say
that everybody should be doing this treatment. All I'm saying

(10:18):
is that this is what my doctor prescribed for me,
and that's what I took. And I thought, well, that's
fair enough. He's not a doctor. Everyone knows Joe Rogan
is not a doctor. So yes, if you're listening to
what he's saying and doing everything that he does, then
you're a fool. But you know, at the end of

(10:38):
the day, he's just sharing what he has done.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
He's having a conversation, he's having a comment, he's not
promoting it. You know, It's kind of like what we
do here.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
We talk about things that we enjoy, things that we like,
things that work for us, and they may not necessarily
work for everyone. Right.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, no, look, let me give you another example, and
I'm not going to be specific, but in the first
few months of the pandemic, and we talked about this,
you know, when we started the podcast, it was right
around the time that I got really, really ill, and
so we and I exhibited many of the symptoms of COVID.

(11:14):
So it was sort of like a slam dunk that
I had COVID. I never had COVID up until a
couple of weeks ago, but I did not have COVID
when we all thought, my doctor and everybody thought.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I had COVID. It just so happened that now we
were all ill. Sorry, that's the oven its warm. I'm
very excited about that.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Now, this was at a time there was no vaccine,
The treatments were hit and miss.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, they were still trying to figure it out, a
really dangerous, serious situation. The hospitals were full, right, our.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Physician discovered something that he was seeing results with. I'm
not even a medication.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
It's a treatment. It's an anti aging treatment that he
was using super anti inflammatory, which is a big part,
and he had that in trials already. He had been
testing that not for like a year, but not for COVID.
So he in desperation to save a patient's life who
was who was close to death to death, was really

(12:21):
in the hospit he called her family and.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Already he said to them, look, in the eleventh hour,
he said, look, I have a I'm going to just
throw a hail Mary. I'm going to give her this
because it can't make it worse, and if it works,
if it does anything for her, it would be great.
And she completely recovered and she was out of the
hospital and today. Yes, So when he had a patient

(12:44):
who got COVID with severe symptoms or potentially severe symptoms,
he was using this. He was not FDA approved for COVID.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
It was as a sort of like out there as
iramectin or fucking injecting disinfectant.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, okay, not that, definitely not that obviously, but I'm
saying it was not a proven medical treatment, correct. But
the right thing that to do. You know, it's not
like we then went on our podcast and started telling
everybody what it was when you know, because it worked
on one person. And the truth is, it could have
been a fluke that it worked on that born person.
It could have been that she just recovered right. And

(13:26):
the important thing is that he then wrote a paper
on it and then it started. But he repeated that
with several patients, and he kept writing, putting all of
the findings into the paper, and we didn't talk about
it because it wasn't a thing we talked about it.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, as a quote conversation had we said, you know,
our doctor actually gave some patients this thing and it
really helped their symptoms. We would not be being held
responsible for promoting some falls like okay, Well, in a way,

(14:03):
I kind of see a similarity there with Joe Rogan
saying I've heard or whether it was his doctor who
gave tim or what I read a quote where he
was like, I said, on this one episode, I've heard
about doctors giving people ivermectim.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
That's all he said.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
He did not say go take iromectin exactly so. But
the sheep, yeah, love to go a Oh, okay, I
want to go take iromectin when that's not what he said,
And then you're gonna have this whole other contingent of
people who are going to go, how dare you tell
people to take iromecton. Well, technically he didn't really do that. Now,

(14:41):
where this whole thing regarding Spotify really blew up was
so we're saying that he has a history of what
some perceive as inflammatory content on his podcast.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I would disagree with that. I would not disagree with that.
We'll be right back after this short break. He talks
about anything that he wants. Some of the things that
he talks about are controversial. Some of the guests that
he has on sure are controversial. We all know that

(15:18):
it's but this is an entertainment podcast. He's not an expert.
He's not a doctor, he's not a scientist. And so
people who are reacting to that as if it's you know,
doctor Fauci saying all this nonsense, it's ridiculous to me.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Right, I mean, look, he just also recently had Jordan
Peterson on who I Can't Stand, and they had a
whole discussion about how black is black person and like
two white guys sitting here and talking about what is
technically black.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
It was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Go fuck yourself, it's ridiculous, ridiculous in those kind of ways.
I want to go, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (15:52):
But yeah, but he's got as much of a right
to talk else I have, no it's that whole thing.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I defend his right to say what he do, yes,
And that's why I don't listen to him. I am
only aware of him when if I hear there's a
sound bite, or if I hear that there's a controversial
and I'll go, wait, I want to know exactly what
was said, and I'll go listen to it. And for
the most part, you know, once in a while I'll go, Okay,
that's not really how it was portrayed exactly. But a

(16:22):
lot of times I'll be like, dude, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (16:25):
And this is this is why I don't subscribe to
his podcast and I don't listen to him. Joe Rogan
is not in my life right, Here's nothing to do
with me, right, And I sure as fuck I'm not
going to go to Joe Rogan to figure out a
medical shit exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
And he would be the first to tell you that
you shouldn't write.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
But you know what, I have listened to some of
his podcasts that some of the ones that he has
on YouTube, and when there is an interesting guest who
I'm aware of or I'm a fan of, or I
want to hear more of, I watched that episode. So yeah,
he does go controversial. I don't like everything that he

(17:01):
talks about, but who likes everything that everybody talks about?
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Well, so this whole thing really kind of blew up,
particularly when he had a guest on named doctor Robert Malone,
who's a virologist who touts himself as one of the
architects of mRNA technology. And for those of you, I'm again,
I'm no scientist or doctor, but from what I've researched,
m RNA technology has to do with, for instance, cancer immunotherapy.

(17:29):
It's a very powerful reduction of inflammation and boosting of
your immune system for.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
People mostly who have autoimmune diseases.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Some autoimmune some cancers they've had. mRNA has been effective
for some diseases, like serious diseases. And so this guy
that Robert Malone, went on the Rogan podcast saying, you know,
this is really better than the vaccine, and it should
be treated. Of course, he's got invested interest in it. Sure,

(18:03):
And you know, people were outraged that a Rogan was
going to platform somebody saying that and be that. He
didn't push back against it. He just had a conversation
with the guy. So it blew up. And I don't
know exactly where it originated in terms of like this

(18:26):
quote boycott, but there became this whole thing of you know,
why is Spotify allowing Joe Rogan to have these people
on and to spout these potentially deadly pieces of misinformation?
And where I see that as being somewhat valid is

(18:47):
if someone's on the fence about getting vaccinated because they
only listened to a certain kind of news and they're
immunal compromised, or they you know, they're a target for COVID,
and they listen to Joe Rogan's podcast and they hear
some other guy go, you know, don't take the vaccine,

(19:07):
take this other thing, and then they die.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Okay, but if you do that and not do your
own research and talk to your own various doctors, now
you're moron.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Right, but you're a dead moron, Okay, And so Yeah,
I'm with you, Daisy, I'm a hundred You know that
I'm one hundred percent with you. But I also know
that there is some I don't know what the number is,
but there is a there's a number that is a
percentage when you have eleven million listeners. There is a
number that I equate to a percentage of responsibility to

(19:42):
do your very best, to do what's best for those listeners, huh,
not to just have haphazard conversations, or if you have
somebody on who's offering a controversial point of view, it's
your I feel that's your responsibility as the host and
the interviewer to be able to say, well, but you know,
there's all these other articles that say that the opposite

(20:03):
of what you just said. He if he just lets
things go unchallenged, in a way, his silence is endorsing
what's just been said, is it?

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Though?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
It depends when it comes to this, when it comes
to the potential for people to die from COVID, it's
a totally new ballgame. So I think that the pressure
and the responsibility is different than it's ever been for
people like Joe Rogan Okay or us or anybody who
has if we have ten people who listen to this
podcast and we were to say something really reckless that

(20:34):
was potentially deadly and one of those people died, it's
not our fault that they didn't go do their own
due diligence, but it's also fucked up that they got
that information from us, and we have to have when
it comes to health issues. We who have a platform
in an audience, do I believe we have a responsibility
to get it right, to try to get it right? Yeah,

(20:56):
which is essentially what Joe Rogan just said yesterday when
he finally addressed it.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
But we're getting all off track here. So this whole
thing blew up. People were outraged that Spotify will allow
Joe Rogan to platform these these views and these guests.
And the next thing we heard, Neil Young, who's a
legendary singer songwriter, stepped into the fray and said, I'm

(21:25):
going to pull all my music from Spotify unless they
canceled Joe Rogan.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Get rid of Joe Rogan.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Now, Spotify made a deal to have the exclusive rights
to Joe Rogan's podcast, which is huge has been hugely
successful for years. Apparently the deal was worth about one
hundred million dollars. Yeah, And twenty four hours later, Spotify said,
we're really disappointed that Neil wants to pull all of

(21:54):
his content from our platform, but we respect that and
we've pulled it.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
We're pulling it.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
So they essentially were like, you're not going to tell
us who to cancel, and you're welcome back anytime, but
we're not going to fire or get rid of Joe
Rogan because you don't like what he says on his podcast.
Joni Mitchell joined, I think a day or two later. Now,
Joni Mitchell and Neil Young have been thickest thieves forever.

(22:24):
All of a sudden, that started a bandwagon slash chorus
of people, particularly on Twitter, even more than the other
social media platform, particularly on Twitter, where all of a sudden,
I started to see I was getting tagged in tweet
after tweet after tweet from people I knew, and a

(22:45):
whole lot of people I don't know that are just
followers or random people on Twitter saying to me, to
every artist, you must follow Neil Young's footsteps. You must
stand with Neil Young. You should pull your con from Spotify,
stand with Neil Young, do the right thing, and as

(23:06):
you know, I took a minute to really think about it,
and then a couple of things started to happen. I
started to realize that this was all coming from people
on a social media platform that is the ultimate spreader
of lies and misinformation. Twitter is a cesspool of that. Yes,

(23:28):
and these people were instead of deleting their Twitter accounts,
they were going on Twitter to tell artists to remove
our content from Spotify, because that's the bandwagon that it's
popular right now. And I remember thinking, well, first of all,
I thought, I applaud Neil Young for taking that stand.

(23:49):
I really do sure. I respect that he made that decision.
I was suspect as to whether it would be effective,
and so far it hasn't been in terms of, like
I mean, it's it's good that it brought up a
huge conversation.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Conversation.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, there were a bunch of people like, you
know they lost two billion dollars, Well, yeah, did you
see the stock market that day? It wasn't just them,
it was everybody.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
And then there were then there were other like even
people I know, and like a lot I started to
see this other thing, which was I'm canceling Spotify and
I'm just gonna use Apple Music instead. Okay, well, Apple
Music hosts Steve Bannon's podcast and countless Fox News people

(24:42):
who have lied about vaccines, about.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
All kinds of about treatments. The very beginning.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Like, wait a minute, you're gonna you're gonna bail on
Spotify because you hate the spread of misinformation, but you're
gonna go to another platform that also hosts people who
spread misinformation.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
And then I.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Started thinking, wait a minute, what about all these people
on Twitter who are saying delete Spotify and pull your
stuff from pull your content. And these are people who
have cable at home, which contains Fox News, sure, which
is actually even more than Twitter, because on Twitter you
get some truth. On Fox News you get very very

(25:26):
little truth. You get just get an agendized version of
the truth.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
And you can't even respond back to them by saying, hey,
what you said. You know, at least on Twitter you
can say, hey, you're full of shit. You know, do
a factor, here's my fact check, let me you know
Negate what you just said. You can't do that with
Fox News. They just do what they want.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
So I started to think all these people who are
again their whole that what they're claiming is that they're
they're outraged by the spread of misinformation. Yeah, they have
cable with Fox News. They help pay for Fox News,
whether they watch it or not. Why don't Why don't
you cancel your cable? I did eight years ago. I

(26:06):
canceled my cable. I haven't had cable in eight years,
so I contribute nothing to Fox News. And then I
started to think, yeah, But then a lot of these
people will be like, yeah, I mean, look, you know,
I hate to spread of misinformation, but I love ESPN. Yeah,
And all of a sudden it became this over a
couple of days. I started to get really resentful of
the hypocrisy and of the performative selective outrage.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
And there's a whole other conversation, by the way, which
I want to want to get into now. But you know,
a lot of people don't know about Spotify and Apple
Music and Pandora and all these streaming services. Spotify is
probably the number one streaming service that fox songwriters so

(26:54):
badly in that they don't pay them.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
If you're they pay them, they barely they fare.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
They don't pay them, and you can go, I won't
bore you with it. I'd be happy to post some
details of what you know. You know based upon x
number of million streams on Spotify, it amounts to like
one grocery run. It's it's so undelieve us.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
It's unfair.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, it's really unfair. That said, it's a juggernaut and
streaming has become this thing that everybody just signed up
for it, and that the average person in the public
who likes music, or whether you're a passionate music fan
or a casual music fan, you're like, oh, I can
have access to every song in existence for nine bucks
a month. Okay, I'm into that, not even thinking. Well,

(27:41):
wait a minute, are the songwriters and artists getting paid?
And the artists get screwed to a degree, it's the
songwriters who get like next to nothing. We get a
small percentage of one penny per stream. Now think about this.
I'm someone who my cat log is on Spotify. I

(28:02):
produced all my own records. In a lot of cases,
I wrote those songs by myself without co writers. I
have some co writes. Most people don't own their own publishing,
and they might have five co writers. Imagine what a
small fraction of a penny gets split into when it's five, six, eight,

(28:27):
ten people, it's literally nothing.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
And for me, that's the real fight that artists should
take on. That's absolutely you know, and this whole streaming
thing really is sort of new, and so I do
think it will work itself or somebody will come up
with a formula that will help the artists a little
bit more. But I think that that is more of
an important fight than trying to get Joe Rogan canceled.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It is, but there's a little bit of what about
ism in there, and that you're shifting topics. Yeah, I
just want to finish my point about Spotify paying songwriters.
This is the other thing, and I've said this to
you many times ever since it became clear that Spotify
was not going to pay what we consider a fair
wage to songwriters. I said, it's going to take the

(29:15):
top one hundred biggest earning songwriters and artists on Spotify
to band together as one and say until you pay fairly,
we're removing all our content. I don't believe that that's
going to happen. I don't think the top ten would
do that. I don't think any I think that for

(29:37):
the most part, everybody's just going along with it. And
what needs to happen is that a bunch of us
songwriters need to band together and go to Washington and
petition Congress to change It's just unfair. It's unfair, and
that might happen in the meantime. I do find it

(29:57):
a little again the hip hopocracy of like these people
who are basically on social media saying that they're standing
up for what's right. They could give a fuck that
songwriters are getting screwed year after a year by Spotify.
It's never been on their radar. They don't They've never
cared about that, right. What they care about is jumping
on a bandwagon. What they care about is their friends said, oh,

(30:20):
we have to cancel Joe Rogan and you and artists
have to stand with Neil Young. And it's been really
irritating to me the last couple of days.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well it's like you said, everybody jumps on the bandwagon, Yeah,
without really knowing the details.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Right, Wait before you, I know you're going to shift
gears here, but I have to I have to tell
you one more thing because I thought this was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
No, I'm not going to shift gears. I want to
finish talking about Joe Rogan and what he does and
this whole outrage. You know, I think that the outrage
on display doesn't really warrant the level of the crime.
You know, I don't think that Joe Rogan committed a crime.
I think that a lot of people are more upset

(31:08):
at the fact that Joe Rogan makes one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Okay, thank you Spotify souse. That's where I was going.
Before we do that. Somebody sent me a meme that
I thought was hilarious, which was a picture of Neil
Young and that said, if you won't censor the guy
I don't like, I won't let you listen to keep
on rocking in the free world.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Exactly the irony. Okay, but you just hit something.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
You you just hit a really important point of this
thing that has become it's overtaken all of my other
thoughts about this. I did engage in some social media,
like you guys, you understand right that there's some hypocrisy here,
Like you're still on Twitter, r you still have Cable.

(31:50):
You're gonna go to Apple, who platforms all these other
crazy fucking misinformation spreaders, and the answer ninety percent of
the time to me would be yeah, but Spotify paid
Rogan one hundred million dollars. Yeah, And then I went, oh,
I now get it. It isn't really the spreading of

(32:11):
misinformation that you have a problem with. It's that they
paid him a hundred million dollars. Like, at the heart
of it, you should be outraged by any platform that's
spreading misinformation, but you're zeroing in on Spotify because they
paid Rogan one hundred million dollars. So it's really capitalism
you have a problem with.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yes, that sounds about right. I think that you know,
from the very beginning, Joe Rogan has acquired his fan
base from just being a guy who talks about everything.
He talks about everything. He doesn't care how controversial it is.
He doesn't care really whether what he's saying is one
hundred percent correct or not. And this goes from many

(32:49):
other things that he's talked about. The difference is that
he is just a guy with a platform having conversations,
having conversations with guests.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
And for the most part, I agree with that. And
I thought his people are calling it his apology yesterday.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, and I don't think he owes anybody an apology,
But he did, he offered one. He actually said the
words I'm sorry, which is like something you never hear
anybody do. He said, Look, if I've pissed you some,
if I've pissed you off, if you've listened to me
and I've pissed you off, I'm sorry. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
And if you're supporting me, thank you. But he said, look,
I want to do better.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
And he was the first to say that when Spotify
I think it was yesterday morning, announced that they're going
to now place a disclaimer on his podcast for certain episodes,
if not all episodes, like what Twitter.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
And Instagram does, whenever anybody mentions the word COVID, they
will put a banner that will take you to like
the CDC or where you can get official facts about.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
COVID, just like you know in the days of when
I we used to watch TV, the views of the
following program do not necessarily reflect the views of the
station or.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
OK, that's helpful, because unfortunately we're just we've become a
culture of just accepting whatever is in front of us
or what we're told by our friend, instead of going, oh,
I need to look that shit.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Up, right, And I think there's a big difference between
someone like a Joe Rogan or even US with our podcast,
and for example, a major news national or international news network,
or the presidents of the United States. I think those
people should be held accountable. Yes, and you have the
president of the United States in the middle of a

(34:31):
pandemic touting ridiculous, dangerous false information, when you have a
nation panicking and millions dying, I think that that is reprehensible.
But when you have an entertainment show and people who
we know are not official figures of the government or

(34:54):
of the science world, you have to relax. Just calm
the fuck down, you know what I mean? Yep, I don't.
So it doesn't matter whether you like Joe Rogan or not.
You know, good for him that he's making all this money.
I don't agree with everything that he says, but I
will defend his right to say whatever the fuck he

(35:16):
wants to say. Yeah, because that's the kind of world
we need to live, and we need to live in
a world where we all can say what we want.
We all have free speech. You have the right to
like it or dislike it, unless you are you know,
the presidence of the United States part of the government
or you know you're you're a major news network. Yep,

(35:38):
we'll be right back after this short break.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
One last thing before we shift. I thought you'd be
I don't know if you are aware of this, but
I thought it was kind of funny slash interesting. In
the last ever since that doctor Robert Malone appearance on
Rogan's podcast, there was a petition signed by two hundred

(36:09):
almost three, two hundred and seventy doctors demanding Spotify take
action over Joe Rogan's podcasts and the media in general.
The mainstream media just ran with it, like everywhere, like
two hundred and seventy doctors signed petition, right. Lord turns out,

(36:30):
which I that's hilarious. It turns out that if you
look at the names of the doctors who signed this petition,
only eighty two of them are medical doctors. Yeah, five
of them are osteopaths, more than one dozen or nurse practitioners,

(36:51):
and then nearly one hundred are PhDs and PhD candidates, professors,
some registered nurses, some veterinarians, a dentist, a psychologist, And.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
It's sort of like, yeah, again, like be transparent, that's
what's happening, right, Now you can put out any statement,
you can find one hundred people and say these one
hundred people will back this up, and no one looks
past it. All it has to be.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Is eighty of those people are in San Quentin, right,
I mean, or like some little quote, a picture with
a quote, and people.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Believe it to be true. Yeah, and no one checks anymore.
And that's part of the problem. Yeah, And that's all right.
It's your responsibility. And that's why we have so many
conspiracy theorists right now, who you know, are in a
circle of an algorithm and they are fed all this
bullshit and they will they will die defending absolute nonsense.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Absolutely people, just I'll give you it. I think I
mentioned this a long time on one of our episodes,
but this is in line with that. Anybody who knows me,
anybody who follows me, anybody who listens to us, knows
how extremely opposed to Donald Trump I have always been
and continue to be. In the early like in the

(38:17):
maybe the first year year and a half of his presidency,
there became this huge news story that Donald Trump called
Mexicans animals. He called Mexicans animals. Now, look, Donald Trump
has said so many vile, horrific things. You don't need

(38:38):
to invent any And I did what nobody seems to do,
which is I said he called Mexicans animals. I need
to hear that clip. And what people would play is
this clip of Trump just it starts right with him
saying they're animals.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
But if you look at the whole clip, he's talking
about MS thirteen. Yeah, you're talking about the gangs of
MS thirteen and they are fucking animals. Well that's an
insult to animals.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yes, So, as much as I can't stand him, it
was an example of how disingenuous the media can be.
You have to fact check everything yourself.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Everything, and not just from one source, from multiple sources, right,
because that's the world that we're living in today. Everyone
has a platform, everyone has a megaphone, and it does
if you follow that person, if you like that person,
that's it. Whatever they say is the holy Grail. Yeah,
not that the Holy Grail is even legit, but yeah,

(39:42):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So, speaking of bandwagons, tell them about fucking west Elm Caleb.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Oh, fucking west Elm Kleb. Have you guys all heard
about this? You told me about that I didn't know
about it, Okay, So this was huge uproar.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
And Trevor Noah platformed it right like he talked.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Everyone has everyone has we some Caleb went viral. This
was a viral story. I'm talking millions and millions and
millions and millions of people were involved and connected to
the story. And this is another example of people jumping

(40:26):
on the bandwagon and not really researching anything or not
really checking themselves before they go on meet on social
media and blast someone or tried to get someone canceled. Yes,
some people do deserve to be canceled. Some people do
deserve to be blasted, and everyone needs to know the
kind of piece of shit that you are, and that's

(40:47):
fair enough, but not everyone or every little thing deserves
to be blasted on social media because you can literally
ruin someone's life. So this girl went on TikTok and
talked about this date that she had. She's found this
this guy on one of these dating sites. They started

(41:09):
dating and the guy, Caleb apparently laid it on really
thick in the beginning. Good name, so he he laid
the love on really thick from the beginning. He made
this girl feel like she was amazing. They went on
several dates and then he ghosted her and she had

(41:31):
a problem with that, so she took to social media
and said, oh, this guy that I went out with
blah blah blah blah, and he did this and he
totally uh what's the word? No, Uh, he like love
bombed her, which apparently is a term, and it's like
a psychological like therapy term. You just you're just full

(41:55):
of love and you tell you make this person think
that that you're completely in to them. Yep. And then
the other thing was what's the other term, the fish,
catfish catfish, That it was like he was totally catfishing
and that he was totally misrepresent yourself. Yeah, and that
that's what he does and misrepresent yourself like physically, and

(42:17):
oh well whatever, he was making these girls think that
he was someone who he isn't by by being loving
to them, by being caring in the beginning, and then
he completely ghosts them. So this girl kind of went
to TikTok and made a joke about it, and then
this other girl jumped in and said, Hey, I went
out with him too, I know who you're talking about,

(42:38):
and this is what he did to me. He did
all those same things to me. He made a beautiful
playlist with the same music and dedicated specifically to me,
and he took me to all the same places that
he took you to, and he said all the same
things that he said to you. And then you know,
he ghosted me and that's not right. And then all
these other girls jumped in, They're like, yeah, I think
I know him. To him, people just were completely outraged

(43:02):
by what his because she also mentioned where he worked.
She said, he works at West Elm, at this place
in this town, and his name is Caleb. So he
became known to the world as West Elm Caleb. And
I'm not just talking about TikTok like. News organizations picked
up this story because it became so viral, so much
so that people started calling West Elm, people started going

(43:25):
to West Elm. Everybody wanted to fucking kill Caleb for what? Wow,
for what? So this guy had to leave his job.
This guy basically had to go in the witness protection program.
He had to hide from the world because everyone thought
that he was the devil, okay, And I just I'm
just wondering, like that is so unfair. That is what

(43:47):
we have turned into this cancel culture is so extreme,
and I just yeah, sure what he did it wasn't nice.
But did it warrant it was a bad rage on display? No,
I don't think it did. Okay.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Was it one date or was it a couple of
several days? Okay, So let's just say, as we've all
maybe experienced. Sure, you meet somebody, you're like, oh my god,
I think I really like this person, and then you
go on a second date and then.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
You're like, whoa, whoa, this is really great where.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
We have so much in common. And then the third date,
maybe you even have sex on the third date, and
then maybe something happens during that that you're like, oh god,
I'm like not into her anymore. Or maybe during the
third date she drops some racist shit or any number
of things that could put him off of her.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Whose business is that? And oh my god, what if
a guy did that to a girl? Yeah, that would
be because you guys do that too. You know you
do that. Everyone does that. Everyone does that, right, Everyone
goes on dates, and part of the dating situation is
to learn from your dates, to learn what you like,
what you don't like, to learn about people, and yes

(45:00):
to even get some funny stories. This girl attempted to
turn her disappointment in this guy because maybe she was
into him and she thought it was going somewhere. She
decided to turn this into a joke. She decided to,
you know, and maybe she should have done that without
mentioning his name or where he was.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
I don't think, I don't I call bullshit. You're going
to mention somebody's place of employment. Yeah, that's not a joke.
And you know that's not a joke going in. Maybe
she didn't realize that this was going to go viral.
She's not a public person. Maybe she thought she was
just saying this to her followers, to her friends and
her followers.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
But we all know how this works. We all know
how social media works. It takes very little for something
to go viral, and you can very easily ruin someone's life.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Even if she'd said James from West Elm, that's bad enough.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, exactly. But Caleb is a unique name.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Yeah, there's not a lot of Caleb this right, Shere's
why I picked it for my son.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Right And I just, you know, I just think that sure,
she shouldn't have mentioned his name or where he worked,
and maybe that other girls shouldn't have jumped in or
but the problem is that then the public, without really
knowing his side of the story, attacked him and went
after him, and he was instantly guilty, you know, And

(46:16):
and he won't get a chance to tell his story.
I don't know, maybe he will, but and the fact
that news organizations jumped on this and started, you know,
basically shitting on Caleb was It's just like, is there
no level of professionalism anymore where people fact check or
if you're going to be in a news organization and
jump on this story, at least get Caleb to tell

(46:37):
his side of the story. But it is a non
story because the truth is that we all have dated people,
We've all got on dates, or we've all started relationships
with people that we thought were going to be great
and then they end up being shitty. And then, you know,
should someone go someone, no, you should have the decency
to say, look, hey, i'm feeling like you know, my

(46:58):
feelings have changed if you're not wired that way. And
also that's not what people do these days, and people
it is shitty. I'm not I'm not saying it's not shitty,
it's not, but it's not for other people to be
brought into it. Look, it's shitty, but that's the way
things work today. People communicate by text. It's much easier
to be a coward than ever social media, And so
if someone decides to ghost you, they're telling you that

(47:21):
is their way of telling you. I am no longer
into this. Take that.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
There's no confusion, right, I kept calling you and you
wouldn't return my calls. At a certain point, I'm going
to go, oh, okay, you're.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Not gonna be like I wonder, I wonder what she's
thinking about. I wonder if she's on the fence. Yeah,
she is. She on the fence about me. No, I
don't want to talk to you anymore. Yeah, okay, So
he's telling her that is the way people do this
these days. I'm not saying that it's correct. I'm not
I'm not to find it. I wouldn't do that. I mean,

(47:55):
I may be she did, yes, but we have a
done that.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
I'm saying what he did pales in comparison to what
she ended up doing exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
Yeah, you know, what he did wasn't nice, but he
didn't ruin her life, right, and she pretty much ruined
his life. Yeah, fuck, okay, because this is part of dating.
Not everyone has to like so everyone. So wait a minute,
we know his name is Caleb. Yeah, we don't know
her name. I'm sure we can find it because she's
an asshole. Yeah, I'm sure we can find it. Yeah,
I'm sure. And I'm not saying she's an asshole because

(48:25):
I don't think this was her intention.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Well, if her name is you know whatever, Gladys, we
should call her life ruining Gladys.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
I just think that we all need to take a
step backwards and really examine where the world is right
now and really think about the things that we say
on social media, specifically about people. There have been people
who have committed suicide over things that have been said
about countless on social media. Countless. We're at the end

(48:54):
of the day, it doesn't really matter what people say
about you, but it is so hurtful and it can
feel like your entire world is imploding. So it really,
let's stop jumping on these bandwagons. Let's really examine a
story when it comes out when someone is trying to
cancel an organization or a person, Let's really before we

(49:17):
jump on that bandwagon, research it and see if we
want to join that that you know group, because it
is it's not always what it seems, and there are
two sides to every story. Sometimes there are three sides
to every story. His version, her version, and the truth.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
By the way, I didn't tell you this, but because
we had. I think it was like two and a
half hours apart today, which was heartbreaking. In that two
and a half hours apart, a major one of the
top news networks reached out through my manager saying, you know,
we we I read a couple of things that you

(50:01):
said about this whole Spotify thing, and we'd really love
to have you on our show in the morning.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
I was like, what the fuck would I do that?

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Like, no, thank you, I appreciate, appreciate the invitation, but
you know, it's like it's already been discussed enough and.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
And you know what, in three days, no one's going
to even remember this. I think so too. I think
that the lesson here and the reason why it's important
to talk about it is not to be on like
oh no. I think Spotify is right. I think Joe
Rogan's right, I think Neil Young is right. It's not
about that. It's to examine the bigger picture and how
we react as a society, well.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yes, as a society, but even more importantly, how we
react as an individual. And this is what is getting
lost if you really are a person, like if you're
listening to our podcast right now, and maybe you disagree
with some of the things that I've said tonight, maybe
you're like vehemently against anything Joe Rogan has to say,
and that you think he should be canceled. You know what,
the number one thing you can do is to cancel Spotify,

(51:00):
cancel Fox, cancel your cable so you don't contribute to
Fox News, don't don't do any business with Apple Music.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
There's all.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Don't have a Twitter account. And I'm not wait, I'm
not being facetious. I'm saying there are so many things
that we can do where we don't contribute to it. Look,
it's the reason why we are vegan. We don't want
to contribute to a business that slaughters, abuses, and kills
animals for no good reason, that is affecting the environment,

(51:30):
that is ruining the environment, that is making people sick. Okay,
we know that information. I think that once you are
filled with knowledge, once you have that knowledge, you have
the responsibility to act on it, right, And that's what
we did. So that goes all across the board. When
you learn information of things that you feel strongly about,

(51:53):
do the research, tell people about it, but tell people
why you are against it. You can't just say I'm
against it because Joe Rogan spread false information and they
pay him a hundred as people who are pissed off
never even heard the interview with doctor Mary right right,
And look, I'll put a button on it with saying this.

(52:14):
I think that, for instance, Fox News is a garbage
dump of lies and propaganda. I'm not saying that they shouldn't.
I would love if they didn't exist, But if they exist,
they're just going to exist without me. They're going to
exist without my help. That's all I can do is
an individual.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
And also, you know, if you are one of those
people who has a problem with all these things and
what people say and what people get paid, and you know,
if they said something that you don't like, they should
be canceled, then you should probably go live in a
communist country. Yeah, you know, because that's the reason why
we're here, is because we all have the freedom to

(52:53):
say whatever stupid shit we want.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
To say, and you better not say anything stupid or
misleading because you be canceled too. Before we I want
to wrap on something a little lighter, So I have
a question for you. Yeah, because you were talking about
we were talking about poor west ELM Caleb.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
And dating and that whole scene. Oh my god, I'm
so grateful I'm not in that scene, by the way,
So thank you Richard Marks.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Well, you're welcome. And I've you know, hardly ever been
in that scene, like for ten minutes. Yeah, but you
were for ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, okay, but you were someone who dated here either
throughout your life.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, what over time? Did you realize our deal breakers
for you from the get go? On a like a
first date, Like the guy shows up, like, let's say
the first date he doesn't like would you would you
let a guy pick you up on the first date
or would you normally meet him at a restaurant?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
It depends. It depends on how big my fence is
at the house. Like, if I'm well protected, I don't
mind somebody picking me up at home, okay, but normally no,
normally I would meet someone.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Okay, So you show up at a restaurant or a
bar to have a drink, to meet somebody for the
first time. Yeah, and and I I'm look, I'm going
to open this up to even shallowness or whatever. Yeah,
the way they present themselves, the way they show up,
the way that they arrive.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
We all have little things that we get hung up on,
don't we regarding shallow, superficial? What are yours? I see
where you're going with this year? Because last okay, so
you guys, okay, I know where he's going with this.
Last time we were out to dinner and there was
a couple sitting next to us, and I was outraged.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
It wasn't like it wasn't like my May song, No,
it was it was.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
A nice dinner place. It was like a gastro pub
that was nice. And there were you know a lot
of hipsters and hipsters and lots of couples, and you know,
lots of groups and some dates and stuff. And so
the couple that was sitting this is what you're talking about, right, Yeah,
The couple that was sitting right next to us was
a sweet couple that looked like they were on a date.

(55:11):
They were maybe in their late twenties, early thirties.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
The body language was they were sitting across from each other,
and their body language made me think that it was
either a first or second date.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
Well, I don't know, I don't know. They may I'm
just guessing. Yeah, maybe they were, you know, boyfriend and girlfriend.
It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, don't seem like it
to me, but go ahead. And I noticed something. Okay,
I wasn't outraged, but I was really perplexed. I was
really really I kept looking back at him until Richard
was like, what's wrong? And I was like, I just

(55:42):
I don't understand this guy. I just don't understand him.
And you said, what do you mean? I'm like, look
at him. I mean she was dressed casual, but she
looked cute. She looked totally together. These cute sneakers, put together,
this nice sweatshirt and like these cool And I looked
at him and he was wearing I don't look what

(56:05):
he was the the pants and the shirt don't even matter. No,
I don't even remember what it was. It didn't matter,
it didn't matter. All I remember seeing is that he
was wearing a beanie, you know, like a knit or
wool linter beanie, as you should because it's been chilly
hold in La. But then I looked down and he
was wearing flip flops, and I just thought, what in

(56:28):
the actual fuck was he.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Thinking, Oh, it's cold, I better grab this nit cap
wool knit cap and my flip flops.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
And I just thought, Okay, any man, any person.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
Okay, first of all, any man, unless you're at the
beach or at the pool, don't wear flip flops. No,
I'm telling you, as a man, no one wants to
see your gnarly, nasty, fucking feet.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Not every man has gnarly feet. And even if you don't,
don't look. I get it. I'm not a big of
men wearing flip flops outside of the right environment, you know,
like especially at a nice dinner restaurant if you're wearing
flip flops, I'm kind of like no, Or like at
a board meeting at work, like, no, no, don't wear
flip flops. You're going to work meeting, do not. That's

(57:17):
not appropriate. Right. So but again, this is all very superficial,
and it doesn't really, but it just made me think,
like what the fuck was he thinking? Like how do
you go such a dichotomous yes, Like, Okay, I'm gonna
wear like I know that he didn't really think about it,
but even if he thought about it, that like they're
both bad. Like what kind of a person, Like what

(57:40):
kind of confusion is in your head where you're like,
I'm gonna wear flip flops and a winter beanie?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, it was the equivalent of showing up in a
down jacket and shorts.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
And again, this is this. I am more concerned about
his mental capabilities then his fashion savvy because you know,
a lot of people are not fashion savvy, and that's fine,
and or a lot of people are super fashion savvy
and fashionable people and and I don't like that fashion
And questionably, it was an intellectually questionable economy was like

(58:19):
I was perplexed. It was it was. It was a conundrum. Okay,
So and then you know, unless they just arrived here
and he lost his luggage, I don't think that's what happened.
I don't think that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
But I'll tell you what she should do. If he
doesn't call her back today, she should go on TikTok
and say, flip flop Fred.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Flip flop beanie guy, Flip flop beanie guy. Again, this
is also superficial and silly. But I really I made up.
It was like conversation, deep conversation, trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
I lost Like she kept turning. I was thinking, are
you checking this guy out? And then you finally turned
to me and you went, what the fuck is happening?

Speaker 1 (59:05):
To understand what has happened? He's explain it to me
like I would not be able to have a relationship
with that guy, not because of his fashion sense or
lack thereof, because I don't really care. I don't you know,
fashion is subjective. It is the state of mind that
you have to be in to go for such opposite things.

(59:27):
You know.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yeah, well my state of mind is that I'm hungry
as fuck. Uh oh, good, good talk. Yes, thank you
guys for hanging with us again, and we will see
you guys next week.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Have a great, safe, healthy week.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
And treat you know what I never say this, Treat
yourselves to something, whether it's.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Do something good for yourself, whether it's nice, something like
just a little extra something.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Yeah, dude, just like, give yourself a little extra something
this week.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Wear shoes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
If you weren't a beanie, maybe put some like actual
shoes on. Keep yourself warm, because you know what, if
your feeder cold, you're fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Cold all over. Absolutely maybe a low boot See you guys.

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