New music On The Way!

Richard is super excited about the album he is almost finished with that mixes multiple genres.
The couple also dives back into current events involving "cancel culture" and freedom of speech.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Straw Hut Media.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Okay, here we go baby. Hey cheers, mm hmm, yeah,
come over here to me.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Wow, pour yourself a glass of your finest tequila or
whatever you drink from straw Hut Media. This is Tequila
Talk with Daisy Pointes and Richard Box.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Hey, everybody, welcome to Tequila Talk.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome to Tequila Talk.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Hear that doesn't that sound nice?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Tonight we are drinking dose amadillos. What he said dose,
I'm trying to be Spanish about it, medirosadillos. If anyone
has listened to us, they know that I cannot roll
my ardios. I didn't say an R at the end. Yes,

(00:56):
you did adam adios adios, not dose armadillos.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
But that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, yes, and it's an an yeho.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
It's really good.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
That was given to us by a friend, and it's
really good.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
It's too good.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
No, there's no such thing. I hope you guys are well.
We're doing pretty well. We did something last night we
haven't done in years, and not just because of the pandemic, yeah,
but actually Sunday night, but because not because of the pandemic,
but because we just kind of got out of the
habit of doing this. We went to a comedy club

(01:38):
and we saw the headliner, JL Covan.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
He was great.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
He and I have become Twitter friends. He's the guy
who you might have seen who does the best Donald
Trump impression I've ever seen or heard.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
It really is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, and that's what really made him famous because he's
been at this for a long time. He's not a Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
And then during the pandemic, during lockdown, he started posting
some videos basically just making fun of the stupid shit
that Trump said, right, and it was just so good
and so well done, and we really needed that little
bit of comic relief during that time.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
It's I mean, look, there are people Trump is a
fairly I think he's a fairly easy person to imitate,
I don't know, but to imitate him perfectly, all the
little nuances and all the little inflections, and to even
the way he mispronounces words. And Jail just started doing

(02:42):
this Trump impression, which he'd been doing I think for
a while.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Yeah. So he'd been a comedian for a long time,
really trying to really struggle business, really struggling, and you know,
one of the silver linings of the pandemic for him
was that we were all just on social media a
little bit more, and he was very on point with
the current news items, and of course Trump was the

(03:10):
topic of conversation during those two last years of his presidency,
and he really really really gained a lot of followers
with that. However, I want to say that that was
only a little bit of his stand up. He's really good,
That's what I was going to say, really bright.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
So he and I became friendly through Twitter because I
was really trying to elevate him and promote what he
was doing, because I think he's really yeah. I mean,
the Trump thing is out of this world great, but
beneath that, the material that he was even within the
Trump impersonation, the material that he was writing was spot on,

(03:49):
was really funny. And so then I said, oh, and
he does this and he does that. So he came
to play in Burbank at a club called Flappers Yes
and invited us and we went Sunday night with a
friend of ours CJ. He only did about ninety seconds

(04:12):
of a Trump impression because people were shouting it out.
His whole hour of stand up was not that. It
was just stand up and it was really funny. So
there's a lot more to this guy than just a
Trump impression.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Yeah, definitely. So if you see him, you know, in
your town, it's definitely worth the night out because you know,
I can. Yeah, I think that I'm glad that this
all happened to him, but I really hope that he
takes off from there that.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
People, Well, he's Billions coming out right, He's on Billions
to watch any huge and hopefully he'll go that route
and become an actor and get his own show.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
And he deserves it. He's really talented.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
And I'm friendly with the creator of Billions, Brian Koppleman,
and I feel just out of my own sense of
ego that I need to ask Brian, so were you
did you become aware of j L because of me
elevating him on Twitter? And if he says yes and
then JL takes off, I'm going to feel kind of responsible.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
I feel like then he'll need to pay you commission.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, No, I just know I don't need any I
don't need that. I just want to know inside my
own soul that I helped make that happen.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Well, I think you can know that right now, because
he was so happy to see you last night.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah. Anyway, his name is J. L. CoV and c
A U V I N. If he's ever in your town,
go see him. It's you'll thank us later. Yeah, And
that was that was fun to get out. And it
was a really nice club. You know, everybody was sort
of like I didn't feel it was just like being
in a restaurant.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
It was very spread out with tables and yeah, you know, drinks,
and I didn't feel like anyone was like hovering over me.
I felt safe and yeah, yeah, it felt like a restaurant. Yeah,
setting it was really nice and I'm glad that we
did it because normally, you know, we were talking about this,
how when you're younger, anything that comes up that sounds fun,

(06:12):
you're like, yeah, let's go. And it doesn't matter what
you're doing the next morning, and it doesn't matter whether
you're tired or not. It's just a younger thing to
just rally and say yeah, that's okay, let's go.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
And as you get older, you start more having more
like ooms and ums and maybe and I'm tired and
half an hour away, want to drive a half hour.
But I'm glad we did it. It was you know,
it's worth it.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
And then what happened is that this morning is when
you were bitching about what we did last night because
we had to get up and do pilates today.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
I was tired because we had we had a couple
of da so I was I was fine last night.
I was feeling it this morning.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Also I'm feeling really particularly good because I'm in the
really home, the real home stretch of this album I've
been working on.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Which, by the way, is a very ambitious project, very
different anyone who's done what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I don't know that any artist has done this. I
think we want have mentioned it, but I think it's
it's an entire it's twenty songs of polka. It's a
polka album.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
I think it's worth you explaining again.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I think I mentioned it on a previous episode. So
I'm doing this project which is twenty songs, and it's
four basically, it's like four EPs. You guys know what
EPs are, right, like extended plays, four five song EPs,
all combined into a double album. So it's twenty songs,

(07:50):
four different genres pop, rock, country, and ballads.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
All genres that you have had a hand in.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I should call this album Sybil because that's so schizophrenic
it is.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
But the one thing that connects it and brings it
all together is your voice, right, and your sense of melody,
your songwriting.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah, well, the name of the the name of the
project is Songwriter. It'll be out in the summer, but
you're gonna hear music really soon because we're gonna start
releasing tracks from it I wrote. I think I wrote
four or five of these songs by myself and the
rest are collaborations. There's a song I wrote with Burt
Backrack that'll be one of the first releases, if not

(08:36):
the first.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Release, one of the most beautiful songs you'll ever hear.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Called Always. There's a song I wrote with Keith Urban
called One Day Longer. There's a song I wrote with
my son Jesse called Shame On You that'll definitely be
the first track in the Rocky Piece and Taylor Hawkins
from Foo Fighters played drums on it. That is amazing
a few days ago, and we just got to mix

(08:59):
to today, so I'm so fired up.

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Oh and it sounds so strong and it's so catchy
and it's such an earworm. Yeah, and great lyrics, amazing music.
It's it's a hard song, but so good.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
This song that I wrote and my son Jesse and
I wrote the music and then I went off and
wrote the lyrics and I just I channeled all my
rage about certain people in the media into this song. Yeah,
but it feels so good to be creative in this

(09:34):
way on such a huge level. Twenty songs is a lot.
It's like making a double It is a double album,
and there'll be a vinyl version and it'll all come
out in the summer. But pretty soon we're gonna start
leaking tracks.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
You know.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
I think that you're probably onto something that could very
well catch on. And I'll tell you why. Because back
in the day, everyone had their genre of music that
they were into. Right you were, you either liked pop
and you listen to like Top forty radio you liked
or you liked the rock station, or you were a

(10:15):
country person or an R and B person, and that's
what you listened to. But I feel like in recent years,
obviously due to the Internet, we all hear all sorts
of music. We have access to everything the level where you.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Can literally carry around. Yeah, ninety of the songs that
have ever been created in the history of the world.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yes, on your phone, right, But that's just you know,
it's easier for songs, for genres to cross over. It's
easier than ever because we do have access to element.
I think that the platforms, the streaming platforms and the
radio stations have realized that there's a very fine line

(11:05):
and that it's very easy for songs to cross over.
And just because you listen to pop doesn't mean that
you're not gonna totally like some of what's happening in
country and some of what's happening in rock. And I
think that we have not given enough credit to music
fans and to the listeners who do listen to more

(11:26):
than just one genre.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well, in a weird way, it's retro because when you
and I were kids. You know, I'm fifty eight and
so I remember when FM radio. That's mind blowing to
me that I'm old enough that I remember when FM
radio became a thing and when FM radio blossomed. One

(11:50):
of the things about it was that it took you know,
up prior to that AM. Prior to that, AM radio
was so regimented and they only played certain types of
music on certain stations. Right FM stations came along and
when I was especially in when I was twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
when my musical life was really starting and I was

(12:10):
starting to think about being a professional musician and songwriter.
If I listened to the biggest FM station in Chicago
at that time, in an hour, I would hear led Zeppelin,
Earth Went In Fire, Barry Manilow, the Doobie Brothers, the Beatles,

(12:31):
I would hear everything.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, now that you mentioned it, that is retro. But
that didn't last very long. It quickly, you know, they
quickly started putting everything into their own cameratory, into a format,
and into a box because we have to label everything.
We Americans love putting everything into a shitty little box,
never more so than today. Yes, and staying your fucking lane, Yes,

(12:54):
staying your shitty little box. But I think that those
those formats and those antiquated ways, which obviously became like
that after FM radio was created, all those you know,

(13:16):
they forget that we have access to the Internet, that
we have access to the entire world. We have access
to what people are listening to in other countries, to
what other genres and other stations are, what every artist
is putting out. So if I like a few artists
from country, I can follow them. If I like a
few jazz, if I like rock, if I like whatever,

(13:38):
they forget that. So I think that radio stations and
these streaming platforms really have given way to Okay, you
can listen to whatever you want. We get it. You
have more than just one taste. So I think that
this release from you is going to be maybe the
beginning of something for many more artists. Although I understand
that many artists cannot do multiple genres. You know, their

(14:03):
voice is really suited for their genre, and that's fine,
but there are artists like you who write for other
genres who have had hits in other areas, and it
would be great to hear. There are very few, and
not a successfully yeah successfully, and it is pretty much

(14:23):
just you, Yeah, that has done it that way.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I mean, I know you're trying to give credit where
credit's due, but I can't think of anybody else.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Well, no one else has put an album out like this,
That's what I'm saying. But there are other people who
write in other genres and you know, kind of dip
their toe in those waters. Very rare, but it is
very rare and I think that for people who do that,
or artists who even like other genres and have thought
to themselves, oh yeah, but that's not what I do.

(14:52):
That's not how people see me.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
For instance, Ryan Teddor, who's a really talented guy. He's
the leader of Wow. I can't believe I'm it's the
One Republic. I was thinking one Direction, One Republic, and
they've had a bunch of hits on the pop stations.
But Ryan Tedder also is a great producer and songwriter.

(15:15):
He's written for Kelly Clarkson and Beyonce and this one
and that one. But I to my knowledge, he has
not crossed over like country or R and B or
they're all pretty much in the same slot like they
would those songs would get played on the same station
as One Republic song. So that's why my love for

(15:40):
rock and country and beautiful ballads.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
Although you started with rock with the starters Rock Round,
you quickly turned into the ballad guy.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, much against my will.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
But well, I mean it's been good to you.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
And then you continued on writing hits for other bands
and country hits for other artists, and and still and
rock songs for other bands and artists. So I think
that this could very well inspire other musicians to step
outside the comfort zone and to to maybe release some

(16:18):
music in genres that you wouldn't expect but that they love.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Just do what you love. Yeah, I love all different
kinds of music. Why should I only like stay in
my Yeah, you know, prescribed box. I think it said, hey,
you're that guy, right. I think it's brilliant. The music is,
they're they're all very different.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
The genres are very obviously their genres. But I think
people are gonna love it. I think your fans are
gonna love it, and I think, you know, even fans
of other country fans, rock fans are gonna hear the
music and be really surprised.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
I hope. So hey, before we move topics, I'm only
gonna play you literally eight seconds, just because. So this
is the song that I wrote with Jesse that we
were talking about.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Its shame on You.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, it's called Shame on You. And Taylor Hawkins is
playing drums, Jesse's playing guitars, and I wrote the lyrics
and co wrote the music with Jesse. But this is
just a little snippet.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
You are the postal boy for how one can sin
slip the bells, nail reeven blink, you are a danger
to the good gener world.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Far Lea Future was named on her.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
Now and for.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
That's what they used to say. This is not your
mother's Richard March.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
Oh that is so good.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
It's pretty rocking.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah. It is so strong and so good and so catchy.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah. Yeah, but that's going to be the lead track
to the rock e p Yeah, to the Rocky pe
And that'll be out soon in the next couple of months.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
But yeah, yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait to
hear what people think of it. I think I think
it's going to be really refreshing for music fans.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
We'll be right back after this short break. So we
got a lot of great response from last week's episode,
and I think we should pick up on it because
we got on a rant about cancel culture. Yeah, and

(19:01):
the Joe Rogan thing.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
A lot of conversations with everyone. I think it's a
hot topic right now.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah. And in the midst of that, Whoopy Goldberg is
the latest cancel victim.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
Well, I don't think she's canceled, and I don't think
she's going to be canceled.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
She perceived as that right now.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
But she was kind of putting time out, which I
think is so ridiculous. And we're going to get into
that because it is part of cancel culture. But where
do you want to.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Start with that? Well, let's get into it right now. So, Yeah,
for those of you who aren't unfamiliar with what happened,
Whoopy Goldberg, who is one of the hosts of a
show called The View, was giving her views, was giving
her view. They were talking about, you know, one thing
that's happening lately is that books are being banned again

(19:51):
by schools, public libraries. People who say who And there
was a very famous book called mouse m Aus about
the Holocaust.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Which has since become a number one best seller again.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Right, that was being banned by right wingers, Yeah, saying
we don't want our children to understand what happened during
the Holocaust. The same thing as these same people who
are against critical race theory, like please don't let our
children know the history of racism in this country, as
if that's something to fear instead of like it only

(20:26):
by racists.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Well, I think it's that's what they're saying. But I
obviously think that the people who are saying that are
Holocaust deniers and are people who are racists and don't
see a problem with systemic racism in this country, so
they don't think that their children should even be told
about it, which is ridiculous, and a lot of school

(20:50):
principles and teachers agree.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
So there was a discussion on the view about the
banning of mouse, and Woody Goldberg made a statement that
she said, she said, you know, in the Holocaust wasn't
really even about race, right, because she was about it
was about man's inhumanity to man, right, So her her

(21:15):
comments about the Holocaust were obviously a little ill informed.
She mentioned that because both Adolf Hitler and his victims
were white, therefore the Holocaust was white on white.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Isn't about race because there, you know, was white and white,
and it was more about, like you said, man's in
humanity to man. However, the what isn't you know? It
was a very short segment. She wasn't allowed to continue
her conversation where she could have been, uh, well, maybe

(21:48):
she would have understood what where she went wrong with
her comments, because I do think that we can we
can have a conversation about what determines a race, like
whether you know what are the races in the world,
you know? And are Jews considered a race?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Well, listen to this. This is interesting. So there's a
professor at University of Pennsylvania, nam Jonathan Zimmerman, and he
did a He wrote a piece for USA Today which
I read today, and I'll read you a little bit
of this because I think it's interesting. He said. When
I teach about race in American history, I always begin
the lesson with a simple question, what race am I white?

(22:29):
My students say, no, I'm Jewish. I reply, jaws drop,
and a few angry hands shoot up. I call on
one of the students, knowing exactly what the speaker will say.
Jews aren't a race. They're a religion, or a culture,
or a heritage or a tradition, but not a race.
You're right, I say, for now, But for most of
our past, I add, Jews were indeed considered a separate race.

(22:52):
Into the nineteen forties, immigration authorities recorded them as a
distinct racial group. That's the part of history that will
be Goldberg missed when she told the View on Monday
that the Holocaust was not quote about race. Of course,
it was the Nazis, viewed Jews not just as a race,
but as an inferior and dangerous one, and they tried
to eliminate Jews on precisely those grounds. Now, my great

(23:17):
grandfather on my father's side was a man named Immanuel
Marx born in Mainz, Germany. He got out of Germany
and came to the US in the late eighteen hundreds.
So he was never going to be chosen or attacked

(23:37):
by the Nazis, or in prison by the Nazis, or
executed by the Nazis. But I come from Jewish heritage
and I didn't know that. Okay, But and here let
me just finish my point. I don't I think most
people would probably have said a version of what Woop

(23:58):
Goldberg said. And there are documented, there are very famously
documented examples of people saying things publicly that got them canceled.
Michael Richards yelling the N word at a black man
in a comedy club, Mel Gibson being arrested saying do
you know the Jews are responsible for all the wars

(24:20):
in the world. That has an intent that has a
hatred within it will be Goldberg having a conversation and saying,
well to me, you know, well it really wasn't even
about race. It was about hatred, and it was about
There was nothing in her statement that was deliberately insensitive

(24:41):
to Jews, that was insulting to Jews. It's just that
people who knew that Hitler decided that the Jews were
a different race in the forties were offended and outraged.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
So my question is, and you know, don't cancel me
for an ignorant question. I always thought that Jews were
not a race, because you know, there are black Jews,
there are Hispanic Jews, so those are different races. So
there are different races within the Jews. Then we are

(25:19):
all now saying, well, because Hitler was such a stupid, dumb,
racist fuck who thought that everyone other than him and
people who looked like him were an inferior race. So
in other words, he thought that they were only not
not just an inferior race, he thought they were subhuman,

(25:42):
but not just the Jews. I mean, yes, that was
their target, and this is what we're talking about, that
they hated everyone who wasn't blood, fair and blue eye, which,
by the way, okay, but that's my point. So I
think that Whoopee was opening the conversation for a really
for a really interesting topic. And all these people who

(26:07):
became outraged at her ignorance of the topic, which was
nothing wrong. She didn't do anything wrong on that. And
I'm from Jews, okay, So I have an understanding of
the races of the world what they are. And when
I go to fill out a paper for whatever, whether

(26:29):
it's a government paper or whether it's a medical thing,
and they ask my race, and within the race they put,
they put, you know, Caucasian, Black, Asian, Latino. I always
put Caucasian because that's my race, understanding that Hispanic or

(26:50):
Latino is not a race. So there is a misunderstanding
when it comes to the races, and it is a
good converse station. And I don't know, and I hate
that Whoopig was trying to start a conversation where she
could have been intelligently corrected and people could have said

(27:11):
to her, look, perhaps today Jews are are not a race.
That is not a race, that is not a race.
But back in the day Hitler referred to Jews an
inferior race.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
And she could have said, oh my god, I didn't
even know that. I didn't realize, okay, I know, But
instead there was yeah, the mass rage and ABC suspended
her from the show.

Speaker 4 (27:40):
But my point today is that all these people are
now coming out and saying Adolf Hitler referred to the
Jews is an inferior race, so therefore they are a race. Really, yeah, no,
whatever Hitler says, goes, I understand that that's what Hitler
referred to the Mas. That's not they are not a race,
and it has nothing to do with the call Holocaust.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
They were technically, I guess, considered a race under the
terms that Hitler imposed exactly. The whole thing aggravates me
so much because it's like.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Really, look, it's a conversation. It's a conversation that makes
for interesting for a very interesting topic. The show she
is on is called The View. They should be able
to have views, and god knows, they've had other hosts
spew some hateful, incorrect bullshit and it's a topic of conversation.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
But the difference is that they that those views on
the View came from a very deliberate ideology that was insensitive,
deliberately insensitive, deliberately bigoted, and that's that's okay, that's just
it's just my view.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
And those views also came from you know, a very
white woman and because now a black woman perhaps is
speaking on something that an entire group decides you have
no business speaking on this, You're canceled. That's bullshit. Yeah,

(29:14):
that's bullshit. Okay, because we all have the right to
speak on whatever we want to speak about. We all
have the right to start a conversation and to be
corrected and to have our minds changed and to have that.
But we are losing that because of this Constitution.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Or First Amendment and cancel culture have become a very
blurred line. Absolutely, and I think that we're coming to
a place as Americans where you have to choose which
one you believe in. Do you believe in free speech?
Do you believe that For example, Joe Rogan on Spotify

(29:54):
is absolutely allowed to say what he wants to say,
have guests who's say what they want to say, and
you can either agree be angered by it. Yeah, say,
you know what, if this is what this guy's going
to spout on his podcast, I'm not only am I
not going to listen to him, I'm going to cancel

(30:15):
my Spotify subscription. That's fine, Yeah, that's fine. You know,
we talked about this before. I have one of the
things that drives me nuts the most is is a
hypocrisy that I see more and more where you know,
so many of the people who are yelling cancel Joe Rogan,

(30:37):
cancel Spotify, tell every artist and every musician to pull
their content from Spotify are also people who have cable
with Fox News and they go, what, I don't watch
Fox News. Yeah, but you're still contributing to it. So
it always comes down to me, like, what is really
the thing that is outraging you? Because if it's the

(31:01):
spread of misinformation, then either.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Are a lot of cancel the Internet.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
There are a lot of things you could do to
eliminate that in your own world. You just choose not
to because you love ESPN or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
Yeah, but the first thing that you would need to
get rid of is the Internet, which no one is
going to do. So the first place where there's a
lot of misinformation is the Internet.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So what do you consider to be over the line?

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Look, I think that cancel culture does more harm than good.
This call out culture. When one person is under fire
for something that they did or said, right, it's toxic.
It's toxic because thousands of people then stand behind that
and they aim to hurt or ruin the people that

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they are trying to cancel. Right. So it's a toxic,
kind of overbearing concept.

Speaker 5 (31:58):
Right.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
So some see it as calls for accountability, which I
agree with. I think we should have call outs for
people to have accountability for what they said. It should
be a conversation. I think speech needs to be protected.
Free speech needs to be protected. Okay, So yes, a

(32:19):
call out for accountability is good. The problem that I'm
seeing is that it's becoming censorship. It's becoming a punishment,
and that's a slippery slope because we can easily lose
free speech and we must not. So I support everyone's
right to free speech, even if you're saying something that

(32:41):
is inaccurate, even if you're saying something that is hateful,
even if you're being a racist. Okay, I will disagree
with you, I will call you out on it, Okay,
but you have every right to say all the stupid
shit that you want to say. If we start censoring
that and people become so afraid that if they say

(33:03):
something that is inaccurate, or if they say how they
feel on a topic and some people don't agree with it,
that you will lose your career, you will lose your life,
your livelihood. That's not fair in some cases. It's absolutely
fair in cases. I look, I think that unless it's
a threat, and if somebody makes a threat, and if

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somebody is engaging in illegal behavior and criminal behavior, absolutely
cancel those motherfuckers. Absolutely, that's what you should cancel. But
now we're taking it to speech and to freedom of speech,
and that's a slippery slope and we need to we
need to take a step backwards and realize what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
So you don't think the rhetoric of mel Gibson should
have canceled him.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
I think that.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I think And by canceled, I mean people who work
with him. Yeah, major studios in Hollywood. Yeah, investors went
you know what, I don't want to help this guy anymore.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
I think that that's fair.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Okay, Well that okay, Well that kind of contradicts what
you just said.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
No.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
I think that if you show yourself to be a
certain person there you said a threat, that's not a threat.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
No, And I think that what you meant. What I
would add is, yes, certainly, if something is threatening, it's
also if it's intent. If the intent of who.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
Is exciting, on what that intent is, who is going
to be the decision maker on that.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
All I'm saying because of that doesn't wait listen to me.
It doesn't change that he has every right to say
that stupid shit. But I also endorse the people who say,
you're welcome to say that shit, We're not going to
do business with you. You have every right to endorse
those people. Those companies have every right to say, well,
then we don't. We're not in alignment with what you

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think and who you are, so we're.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
No longer going to work with you. We're canceling your contract.
There will be five other companies who will say, oh,
you know what you're okay, we'll hire you. Maybe okay,
we've got Fox News we hired we. Basically, America elected
a person who was nothing but about hate speech and
saying horrible shit. Because he became president.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Well, a huge, huge percentage, if not more than fifty
percent of this country is aligned with that.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
That's my point. When you get into the specifics of
well what he said was worse than what that other
person said, then that's a slippery slope. We can all
talk about it. That person can lose their contracts with
reputable companies and corporations, but there will be other companies

(35:48):
who will hire them who are like minded. That's what
this country is based on. The minute that you start
saying you know, no, if you say racist ship, then
you should be canceled. Well, who's going to decide that.
Who's going to be the person to make who the government?

(36:09):
We're going to put the government in charge of what
language is right in? But okay, well then who else?
So that's my point. Yes, people are saying hateful shit.
They have every right to say hateful shit, racist, hateful,
correct and correct. They have every right to do it.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
Again, what's what you know? Look, this is reasoned thinking,
and that does not exist in this country anymore. This
is reasoned critical thinking. Yes, critical thought, which means I
hate what you say. Yeah, but I have to if
I believe in free speech, I have to give you
the right to say it.

Speaker 4 (36:47):
Absolutely does it.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Now, if you're in a position of business where I
can either help your business and help your life or not,
I'm going to opt out.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
That's my point because of what you say, and when
it's muzzle people.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
It's also similar to banning books and writing books and
rights that don't treat, don't don't teach critical race theory,
and like the muzzling is what's really odd to me,
and it's it's really un American.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
Well let's call it what it is. It's censorship.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
It's fear.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
We all now, all of a sudden, everybody is the
authority on censorship. It's censor what is correct to say
and what is not correct to say? Fuck you all,
that's not what America is about. I don't want to
live in a country that's going to determine what is exactly.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
We have to be very carefulable.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
We can all agree that some people are reprehensible pieces
of ship, that they are responsible for misinformation, that they
are responsible for you know, what they say to their
millions of followers. Yeah, that's all true. But they also
have the right to say whatever they want, and their
followers have the right to follow them or not, and

(37:57):
to support them or not, to make them famous or not.
And you know, look with the WHOOPI Goldberg thing, I
think that when we start putting adults, professional people in
timeouts because they were trying to have a conversation about something,
then we have a problem. That is the bigger issue

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here right now that nobody's talking about.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I mean, look, cancel culture is a term that's only
a few years old, if that, and it really began
with Harvey Weinstein.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
When it comes to things like that's what it should
be reserved for rapist murderers, predators.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
But what I'm saying is Harvey Weinstein and even Bill Cosby,
who Weinstein's in prison and will spend the rest of
his life in prison for rape. Bill Cosby, who went
to prison got out of prison on a ridiculous technicality
for rape. Yeah, is now in the same conversation as
Whoopy Goldberg who said, I didn't the Holocaust was not

(39:03):
really about race, it was about she basically she just
said something that was incorrect that she thought there was
no intent that was no. Oh god, it's so frustrating.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
I don't believe that Whoopy Goldber was saying anything negative.
We've lost our That's what I'm saying. So I think
that Whoopi Goldber was trying to have a conversation and
because of all the keyboard warriors and people not jumping
to conclusions and censoring things, she had to be put
on a time out instead of letting her come back

(39:35):
the next day say her apology, which I believe her.
I believe what she said when.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
She was incredibly contrite.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
Yes, she said, I am really sorry. I didn't My
intention was not to hurt people or to diminish the
horror or the Holocaust. That's not what my conversation was.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Nothing like that.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
I believe that's not what she was trying to do.
She was having trying to have a conversation about race. Yeah,
and people took it to another place. And then because
everybody is so fucking afraid now, they all have to go,
oh yeah, cancel her. I can't believe she said that
when you don't even know what she was trying to say.
She wasn't talking about, you know, whether the Holocaust was

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horrifical or.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Even more annoying. Even more annoying is if you're if
you've identified yourself ideologically as left liberal, you are going
to immediately say, oh, that's not okay. I've been told
by MSNBC and by Richard Nadaw and this person and

(40:39):
that person that that's not okay. So that's not okay.
I have to take a stand because that's what that's
what I have to stick to and the same on
the right. There's no fucking critical thinking. There's no That's
why I feel like you and I are in this
no man's land where we agree with some on you know,

(41:00):
some topics and disagree on like it can't come down
to just being a zombie and fulfilling your your self
imposed obligation to your ideology. How about growth? How about
being open to all kinds of views.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
I think that you know, when people who don't even
understand the topic, who don't even take the time to
pull up the clip and listen, yeah, jumping on.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
I would venture to say that ninety percent of the
people on social media who have taken a stand on
the WHOOPI Goldberth thing alone never saw that clip.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
We've normalized making false accusations with no consequences, and that's
that's wrong, and it's costing people their livelihood and their careers.
I do think that cancel culture has done nothing to
create a better world. Instead, it is it's really teaching

(41:59):
chill children that pointing the finger, calling people out and
being a tattle tale and saying, oh, they did something wrong,
and then everybody jumping behind them and accusing that's enough.
We're teaching children that it's okay to become a victim
over something that somebody says to you, and it's not

(42:20):
you know, yes, we do have to respect the victims,
but we're teaching people that pointing the finger and turning
yourself into a victim is going to somehow elevate you
or promote you, or make you more popular or you know,
And that's not okay, that's not okay.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
It's more nuanced than that.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
Yeah, well, it's destroying hundreds of careers and lives over
hurt feelings and that's not okay, but.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
It's still it's more nuanced than that. If you see
someone in a grocery store or on the street saying
things that are maliciously bigoted or racist, and let's say
that you find out you post that video or you
see that video and that person is works for this

(43:02):
company or that company or runs this they should they
should take shit for that.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
Yeah, they absolutely Shouldah.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
We live in a culture now where if you have
a moment where your inner racist or bigot comes out,
there are cell phones that are going to bust you. Yeah,
it's and that's one way that cancel culture, if you will,
is okay with me? Because if you are internally a
racist or a bigot, and you have your occasional outbursts,

(43:33):
you deserve to get busted and you deserve to lose
some of your Yes, yes, some.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Other people president or you could become president. That's what
I have a problem with. Okay, people are not disposable
and even racist. I will even defend the rights of
racist to say what they want to say. I have
to because I believe in free speech. I have to. Yes,

(44:02):
they should be called out. Yes, you should be responsible,
and you should you should be able to explain yourself.
And yes, you're probably gonna get fired from your job,
unless maybe you work at Fox. I don't know. That's
what I mean. Look, let me put that's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Let me put a button on with this. I believe
one hundred percent in free speech. I also believe one
hundred percent in the consequences of free speech.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Yeah, but who who is responsible for those? Because there
used to be it. It used to be different. Free speech
was free speech. If somebody said something hateful, if somebody
said something racist, they would get called out. People would
stand up to them, you know, and perhaps even get

(44:52):
fired from your job. But people are not disposable. You
have the right to say what you want to say,
obviously not in public in a supermarket where there are
rules and laws. And if you walk into a place
that says no shirt, no service and you walk in topless,
they're gonna say, I'm sorry, you can't walk in here

(45:12):
without a shirt. It says it right there on the door,
and you cause a scandal. That's different. That's different than
what I'm talking about. Anyone has the right to say
anything that they want. And the minute that we start
destroying people's lives because if we don't like something that
they said, we're turning this country into something that we're
not even going to recognize.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Okay, look, I guess we agree to disagree on this
one because there are certain people who are so full
of hate and bigotry and racism that for their lives
to be destroyed, I'm totally okay, I understand. But the
problem is that now people like Whoopy Oldberg or people
who say who just say something in a conversation and

(45:56):
again with zero malicious intent, who are being punished and
thrown into a category where they don't belong.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
Right, So that's our opinion. We have every right to
that opinion, and the people who say, no, WHOOPI Goldberg
is racist, she is clueless. You know, they have a
right to their opinion. Yeah, okay, So we cannot be
the people who are responsible to say who should be
canceled and who shouldn't, who should be put in time

(46:28):
out and who shouldn't. No one should have that job.
But right now we are leaving it to society. We
are leaving it to social media to determine whose life
is ruined because they said something unpopular. That's wrong, and
we need to stop that. We need to focus on
self improvement and not snitching.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
We'll be right back after this short break in the
uh sort of reading up on this whole thing, and
I saw and I won't name the name, but an

(47:10):
actress who I don't know what she's done in a while,
but she was very popular actress on television, and her
reaction to the cult thing was she went on her
Twitter page and she went, I'm outraged. I'm so personally
offended and I think it's just outrageous. That would be Gobert.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
And I was like, really, like, what does she really do?
Really personally?

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Really?

Speaker 4 (47:32):
That's where we are. Yeah, okay, That's where I'm saying
that this could be a really big problem. Okay, we're starting,
we're teaching children, and society is starting to think that
perfection is something that is to be expected of everyone,
but never really oneself. You know, we're all just here

(47:54):
to criticize everybody else.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
I expect you to be perfect while I'm imperfect. Well
I am, yeah, well I know you are.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
But you know, claiming victimhood is kind of how people
are now getting their fifty minutes of fame. They're becoming
more popular, they're getting advancement in their career because they're.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Celebrit That's going to be the new reality show.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
I think, Celeberty victim. Yeah, you know, intent matters, but
intent doesn't matter if somebody offends you or you know
it's getting down.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, it's like I tweeted something a week ago which
was just because you're personally offended by something doesn't necessarily
mean that it's offensive.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Exactly. We all have the right to feel however we want,
to react to something however you want.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
And there are some people who we both know personally
either who just are They wake up in the morning
and their mission for the day is to find something
that offends them exactly, and.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Guess what they they go to that happy every day
you will find you will find it every day.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
You know.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
This is making society really dwell constantly on the faults
of others, on the faults of the past. They are,
but they really offer no solutions on how to make
things better. Where this is just going to get worse
unless people really start speaking out and seeing this whole
cancel culture for what it really is, which is a
bunch of keyboard warriors in their mother's basements basically jumping

(49:36):
on a bandwagon and ruining people's lives.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Yeah, look like everything else. It's not one thing or another.
There are examples of cancel culture that are absolutely correct,
that are absolutely valides.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
When they involve crime and their criminal activity when they
they involve threats, Yes.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
But a ton of examples where it's really just because
a handful of people with some influence were personally offended
and a bandwagon was started by that. It doesn't ever
make it true that what happened was worth that price.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
But that's where we are. That's where we are, and
I think it's time to push back a little bit
against this destructive insanity that we've created.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Well, good luck with that.

Speaker 4 (50:28):
I you know, I think that it's going to have
a backlash. I don't know what that will be. But
a country like the United States, which stands for freedom
above everything else, yeah, no, it must. Well why what
freedoms have been taken away?

Speaker 2 (50:46):
None? None? But tell that to right wingers who feel
like they're not allowed to say Merry Christmas anymore. All fictional,
self imposed. But we can't do this. I can't say
it factually.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Factually you can say whatever the fuck you want, but
this cancel culture has taken away that right, which is
mostly being led well, I can't say that. I can't
say it's mostly being led by the right. It's both.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
It's both.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
It's both who are very quick to call the other
to say, oh you said.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
That, it's like I said, it's it's this is all
led by a group, a huge two groups of people,
both of whom have to stick to their ideological zombie
out thing like we have Oh wait, what's our take
on this?

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Everybody in my camp? Okay, I'm gonna post about that. Well,
what do you really feel about it?

Speaker 5 (51:43):
Though?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
You know that this is like nuanced right, this is
like there are a couple of ways to look at this. No, no, no,
I have to look at it from the as a liberal.
I have to look at it like as a right winger.
That's how fucking brain dead people have become.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
Yes, And that's what I'm saying is that you have
the right to feel how you want to feel. You
have the right to have to be offended, to have
whatever reaction you want to have, and respond in a
way that you want to respond, even by saying well,
I took that as being offensive and the other person

(52:18):
can say, well, that's not how I intended it. That's fine,
that's a conversation. We're losing that. We are losing that,
and we need to push back on that. I am
all for calling out people. I am all for the
cancel culture of really hateful crimes, people who are doing

(52:39):
legal things, who are hurting others.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
But when it comes to saying the wrong thing and
then getting pounded for you, yeah, I want to ask
all the people who are supporting the cancel of that person,
have you never misspoken? Have you never said anything that
you thought, oh, that wasn't really the right way to
say that, Because if you are not guilty of that,

(53:02):
in your life, you're a liar.

Speaker 4 (53:04):
Like we need to be able to ask questions that
start uncomfortable conversations. We are losing that right because everybody's
going to be afraid to ask a question because you
simply because you ask something, you could be canceled for
because you misunderstand something. And that's my take on it,

(53:25):
and I think everyone everyone should re examine this, talk
about it and see where you stand on it, or
if you even understand what is happening and how it
can turn on each and every one of us.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
You don't need to be researched to have an opinion
about anything anymore.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
Right, And that's fine. I support that. I support everyone's
right to have an opinion, whether it's right or wrong.
That's what this is about.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Yeah, but it helps if your opinion is based upon
some kind of research. Sure, but you know, if you
have an opinion about what happened on that television show,
it might help if you saw it. Yeah, I know,
I'm not crazy. Yeah, yeah, anyway, let's see what the
next week, what transpires in the next week, and who

(54:12):
gets canceled next.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
I do hope that will be Goldberg comes back to
the view and shares, you know, some more of her
views than is allowed to have an adult conversation because
the minute you know, I can't. I if I were her, honestly,
I would quit. Yeah, I wouldn't go back to that
show because I feel like what the response to what

(54:37):
she to her conversation was extreme and uncalled for. It
didn't suit her crime. So I hope that they do
want her back, but I also hope that she moved
on to something better where she can actually speak.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah, this was a real extreme example of so badly handled.
I mean, she misspoke. She misspoke in a way that
I for a day until I researched it, went wait,
what's the problem?

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Yeah, you know, and I think that that's the problem
on network television and on controlled.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
The fear of losing sponsors, and also you can't have
a conversation about something in three minutes.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
There are you know, three to five minutes segments. Then
you have to cut to a commercial break. So that's
what she started this conversation. They cut to a commercial break.
All hell fucking broke loose on social media and behind
the scenes, and by the time they came back from
commercial it was a whole different scenario. She didn't get
a chance to continue that conversation, to explain what she

(55:44):
was trying to explain, or to even be corrected shell,
no she was. She was not on that show.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yes she was, and that's what gave her pause. So
like somebody did say, well, that's not exactly, but they
didn't have time to then really get into it.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
What I mean, somebody said, no, Hitler referred to the
Jews as an inferior race, and that was it. She
should have had the opportunity to say, oh, okay, But
what I'm saying is, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
When she immediately came back and said the minute that
that show was over and she just pointed out, oh
you know what, yeah, she was the whole I believe
the response to that to me is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
And that's one of the reasons why I really like
this podcast format, because we're able to really have a conversation.
He's fine, He's totally fine, He's able to be fine.
But like the ship that he well, he got himself
into some trouble with some of it.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Rightfully, So yeah, it still doesn't change the fact that
he should be able to like talk about whatever he wants.

Speaker 4 (56:47):
Absolutely if he wants. It's his podcast. He's got millions
of followers, and.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
If you don't want to listen to that, then don't Spotify.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Many people don't, But why should you unsubscribed to Spotify?
Why don't you just not subscribe to his podcast?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Oh you could do that, But it's like, look, it's
like anything else, it's your choice. You can say I
just won't listen to that. Yeah, And then there are
people who say, well, the fact that I subscribe to
this and I'm giving money to this, I don't want
to be part of that. That's fine too, You're a
choice too.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
But I guess what I was what I was trying
to get at is that, yes, Joe Rogan got into
some hot water with some people. They're calling him racist.
I believe that what they're saying is correct. That he
did say some really racist shit. It was wrong and
he should be held accountable. But also that's his format.

(57:40):
If he's racist and he wants to say the shit
that he wants to say, and you want to continue
to listen to him, that's your prerogative. You know. I
was insulted and felt offended by most of the things
that Trump said, but I still had to listen to
his shit for four years, and I still have to
endure his bullshit. So really, what is it so active?

(58:01):
You know, we're going to select who can say what
they want and who can't.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
There's plenty. There's plenty of outrage for everyone.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Right, there's equal opportunity outrage.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
All right, I'm hungry.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
All right, guys, that's it for this podcast. Happy Valentine's
Day everyone, Yes.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
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we'll fill you in on our Valentines.

Speaker 4 (58:26):
Keep it sexy lovers, Happy Valentine's see you bye.

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