#244 - Shan, Ti, and Jim: 2024 in Review. - Terrible. Happy

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
We will be here forever.
Do you understand Forever,forever and ever and ever and
ever.
We will be here forever.
Do you understand that?
Chop the hole up.
Chop the hole up, the hole upback, the hole up back, the hole
up, the hole up back.
For some things, how many Surgeto the murder?
The mother of the unbefutteredno-transcript Jim Turvey Ty

(03:12):
Coling welcome Shannon Jim.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
Hi Ty, hi Shannon.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
The two most serious men in Australian skateboarding.

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Wow, what an accolade .
Yeah, thanks, you know what'sso funny?

Speaker 4 (03:25):
hanging out with you two Before the podcast, I can't
shut yous the fuck up.
And then, as soon as I hitrecord, it's like crickets.

Speaker 6 (03:32):
Jim, you started recording like five seconds ago.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Exactly, you need to talk more.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
Well, I was asking Ty what his first photo in a
magazine was, because I had thisold photo of him from one of
Andy McKenzie's zines, from Thug, that I merely took and sat
manly.
But you said that you'd had onearound.
The same photo had also been inFree Surf, a zine or something.
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (03:55):
It looks like it could be the same photo.
It's hard for my eyes to see,right, but it would make sense.
Yeah, manly, first street parkin Australia, I think so what
was the curl park?

Speaker 6 (04:08):
describe the actual trick it's like an Indy nose
bone over the hip right.
Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (04:13):
well, back then it'd be a front side nose bone, indy
would be backside, that's true,yes oh yeah, no, I can't believe
.

Speaker 6 (04:18):
I said that.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
I'm usually really fussy about that?

Speaker 4 (04:23):
is his knee tucked or was he stink bugging it?

Speaker 6 (04:25):
No, he's in a good posse.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
Please.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
I know I shouldn't even question that.
No he looks, I've seen himstink bug.
He did this trick once ages agoand he stink bugged the shit
out of it.
It was like a caballerial heelflip indie grab on a vert ramp.

Speaker 6 (04:41):
And he stink bugged it.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
And he stink bugged it when he grabbed the Indy Just
saying Ty.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
Correct Many flip Indys on vert.
They don't always require to betucked.
Hey, listen.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I'm not judging.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
Hey, Tusk did some of the best ones ever and they
weren't tucked.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, tusk can do whatever the fuck he wants, that
guy.
So he's skating.
Were you telling me that he'sskating again at the Mega Ramp
down in Melbourne, or something?

Speaker 5 (05:03):
I don't know if he's been skating Mega or he's been
skating Paran recently again,though.

Speaker 4 (05:07):
The new Paran.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
How do you rate that skate park after going there?
It?

Speaker 5 (05:11):
looks amazing.
Oh, it is amazing.
I skated it.
I was saying the vert ramplooks amazing because I didn't
skate that.
The vert ramp looks perfect andthe crew skating it were making
it look perfect and the streetpark's super fun.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
It looks really fun yeah, so did they stay true to
the old vert ramp and make itmetal surface?
Yeah, it's all metal because itlooks brown in pictures and I
was like is that wood?

Speaker 5 (05:33):
yeah, no I thought the brown like before, was sort
of from maybe rust, but I don'tthink that's the case, because
it's pretty brand new and it's abrown of sorts and yeah, I'm
not sure of that why.
But yeah, it looks amazing, itlooks perfect.
No bumps, nothing.
It looks really good.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
I love how they've put like lighting under the
handrails and stuff when youskate at night.
Have you seen that, jim?

Speaker 6 (05:58):
No, no, I'm just imagining I was going to ask if
they've put that big.
Remember the really early one.
There was that on the brickwall next to it there was that
skate safe kind of like apainting of like someone wearing
pads on the old sign in the 80s.

Speaker 5 (06:16):
Yeah, that building's .
I think that got knocked downnow because Vertram's in a
different spot now and that'sthe street where the old Vertram
was.
Oh right, so it's completelythe configuration's different, a
different spot now, and that'sthe street where the old
VertRamp was.

Speaker 6 (06:26):
Oh right, so it's completely the configuration's
different as well.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Oh right, yeah, when I had Simon Bogglo on the
podcast he was saying that forconvict skate parks they kind of
regard Prahran as one of theirlike milestone skate parks.
They feel really proud.
They feel proud of all theirparks, but that one in
particular.
They were all like we nailedthis.
You know, they're really proudof it.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Fair enough, that's great.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
And also I mean that skate park, the original one.
There's a deep history inAustralian skateboarding there,
right Proper, yeah, for sure.
Sick, but anyway, listen, thisepisode is the last episode of
the year for THT.
It's a bit of a wrap-up episode.
It's something I've beenthinking about and just want to

(07:14):
spend some time with two peopleI really admire and respect and
also had a deep involvement inthe podcast this year.
So thank you, gentlemen.
We're going to just talk aboutsome stuff.
I've got some notes actuallyI've got a whiteboard here and
we're going to go over somethank yous for people and
sponsors that have been involvedto make the podcast happen over
the year.
I want to talk about the GoodPush, which is a suicide

(07:36):
awareness initiative by NathanKeely from Newcastle.
I also want to talk about someof our favorite episodes of the
year and SOTY predictionsThrasher SOTY, not Slam SOTY.
Maybe we'll talk about theOlympics and also Hayley Wilson
turning pro.
I feel like it was a prettyspecial moment recently.

(07:58):
I want to talk about the BuntJam event because, ty, you went
down to that and I think it wasa pretty unique event as well
for australia I think sodefinitely for australia, yeah
yeah, and this is random, andjim laughed at this when he's
seen it but I want to talk aboutwhy symmetrical egg-shaped
boards that are wide with shortwheelbase are so on trend.

(08:20):
I've got my theories becauseI'm riding like the widest board
I've ever ridden at the moment.
It goes so sick.
Yeah, I can actually flip it,yeah, anyway.
So you guys want to addanything to the list?

Speaker 6 (08:34):
No, I think we can freestyle it.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah, I think so, but thanks for having us, shan, and
thanks for doing a great job ofthe podcast.
Definitely, I think it's avaluable contribution to the
scene and everything, everythingyou do, people you try and
reach out to and get on.
I think it's super valid.
May it continue thank you,brother.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
I appreciate that because a lot of hard work does
go into it oh well, I was justgoing to second that and say,
yeah, you've definitely umhelped me um pass some kind of
quiet hours in a reallyenjoyable and informative way.
Yeah, this year for sure.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate it.
And a lot does go into it.
So I do want to take theopportunity to thank a lot of
the people that have beeninvolved over the last year,
especially so.
Obviously Ty Colling and SteveTierney have been very integral
into the production of it invarious ways and I kind of
regard Ty and Steve as part ofTHT.
And also Jim Turvey has had alot of involvement this year as

(09:34):
well, not just lining up guestsbut giving me a lot of creative
feedback and sometimes directionwith content.
Big shout out to Deaf Wish Cast, sydney's original hip hop act,
for giving me permission to usetheir song Forever as the intro
music.
The companies that havesponsored the podcast,
especially now that we've goneinto the visual aspect and they
are Cockroach Wheels, convictSkateparks, belmont Coffee have

(09:57):
contributed longtime sponsorCrush Organics, cbd oil and,
just recently, breathe theseNasal Strips.
Thank you, and I definitely dobreathe better with those things
and sleep better.
Also all the artists that SteveTierney has been arranging for
the visual episodes.
They've just been amazing andthank you.
It really brings such a depthto the visual aspect of the

(10:20):
podcast and I want to keep thatgoing and also support the arts.
Also all the guests that havebeen on like this year.
It's just been such aninteresting year.
I mean, I've actually had someguests that I regard, as you
know, like on my bucket listguests.
You know, chima Ferguson wasdefinitely a standout, but also
Outsider Skateboarding one of myfavourite musical artists of

(10:41):
all time and he's Australian itwas Tim Levinson from the
hip-hop act the Herd.
He goes by Earthboy and for methat was just a real special
moment having him on and he'sgot a real purpose in life, that
guy.
Also everyone that listens andI know there's regulars out
there and so if you're a regularlistener and you reach out to

(11:03):
me sometimes, I love that.
Thank you for the feedback andthanks for listening regularly.
Some of the stories I hear ofpeople and where they listen
trips me out.
So I have a lot of peoplesaying like I'm a laborer and
I'm on a construction site allday and I listen to it then.
Or I've had one girl she's atree planter and she's out in
the forest just planting treesall day and listening to the
podcast.

(11:23):
Like it's a trip dude.
Also, marty Baptist has been alongtime friend and he's also a
profound artist and he's justbeen so supportive of the
podcast and he's also allowed meto use some of his artwork as
part of the new logo that I useon Apple Podcasts and Spotify
and other places, and you knowhe's just allowed me to use that

(11:44):
and I'm just so grateful forMarty and, yeah, he's always
supporting it.
And just recently I want to makemention to this guy, luke Moody
.
He makes these skate wax calledSlappy's Snub Wax and he just
sent me a block of wax randomlyand I just love it.
But also the profits that hemakes from that wax goes to

(12:05):
charity and also supportingeducation for young people in
rural and remote areas.
So that's super special.
So good on you, man, and you'redoing a good thing.
So thanks for letting me havemy little rant.
Gentlemen, did I forget anyoneTy?

Speaker 5 (12:21):
I don't think so.
No, it was all pretty good,pretty valid.
I had to get that out, I had toget that out, I had to get it
out and that was a bit of a long.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
I don't like to talk that much consecutively.

Speaker 6 (12:29):
It was very professional though, like it was
actually interesting watchingyou look at the whiteboard and
then kind of like I don't knowfreeform, that don't you think
yeah, freestyling off of justvery short notes and good job of
remembering what everyone'sdoing and contributed.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
Yeah, man, I appreciate it, and I just also
want one last thing I want toadd is like I don't make any
money out of the podcast.
And any money that does comeinto the podcast, it just
basically pays for running costs.
Especially since we're goinginto the visual aspect, and I
just want to make this clear islike skateboarding has given me
so much and continues to.

(13:06):
So for me it's just to give alittle bit back, but not just to
skateboarding, just to people.
And I've been asking myselfthis question a lot lately like
what am I doing for others andam I being too self-centered?
And then recently there's a goodgentleman from Newcastle,
nathan Keely, who's a past guest.
He's embarked on this amazinginitiative where he's

(13:31):
skateboarding from PortMacquarie to Newcastle, which is
about 300 Ks, for no otherreason but just to raise
awareness about suicideprevention.
But also it's a testament tothe human spirit.
So I'm going to ask you,gentlemen, this like what are
you doing for others?
You know, do you ever sit backand think about?
Like, what am I giving back topeople in society?
Or am I in a mindset of like,take, take, take?

Speaker 6 (13:51):
No.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
I mean Heavy question ?
No, it's not a heavy question.
What are you laughing at?

Speaker 6 (13:59):
I mean, it's something it is a pretty big
question just to drop onsomebody's lap Great and it's
something that probably requiresa little bit of like
introspection as well from me.
I mean, I feel like I try to bereally generous and share
things that I maybe have at mydisposal.

(14:20):
So, whether it's like somethingfrom like I collect old
skateboarding magazines andthings like that and rare
Australian skateboardingephemera more than boards or
anything, and I do really enjoykind of finding things for
people.
But I also if I was going to behonest, that's probably quite
self-serving as well Like I dowhy I enjoy the process.

(14:43):
I enjoy being part of this world, like even right now sitting
like and I said to Ty before,you know, even getting to sit
here with somebody that I was afan of and being a guest on this
podcast with you has allowed meto do that as well and sit and
talk to people that I am.
You know that periods of mylife have been enamored by or
whatever, so there is someself-purpose in that as well.

(15:05):
So, nothing, I don't think anyof it's, even when I'm doing
something for other people, tobe completely honest, not that I
think I'm a selfish person oranything, but it's definitely
I'm getting.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
I get satisfaction out of that as well you're
allowed to and that's completelyokay, and I know I did drop a
heavy question because I'm gonnaback you by saying I believe
both of you are giving back invarious ways.
Like I want to tap into Ty'scoaching of young people, young
skaters.
I mean, that's profound.
Yes, I know there's paymentinvolved, but it's still an

(15:38):
endeavor that is serving andsupporting others.
Do you think that?

Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, definitely.
And I think the angle which Icome at it from is like it's
great to try, and you know, showkids tricks and that sort of
things and how to skate and givethem ideas for skating, but

(16:06):
what really does it?
For me maybe that'sself-serving, but what I really
get out of it and want to giveto it is try and guide them also
, give a bit of guidance alongthe way, just in in life and
their journey and with skating,but also a bit with life too,

(16:29):
and just because, likerealistically, I never had that
sort of guidance when I wasyounger.
And that's fine, I love findingmy own way and that was all
part of it.
And this could be delusionalold man talking, but it seems

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like there's just so much goingon now with internet and
activities that people can do,there's so much available in the
world and to maintain a senseof focus in all that, just to
really try and be a part of thatand assist that focus and and
nurture that and get you know,get the best out of them.

(17:11):
And, as Bo Mitchell actuallyjust articulated very simply to
me the other week, who's theSkate Australia national coach?
He, he was like I'm just tryingto get them to be the best
person that they can be, and Iback that too.
And a lot of the coaching stuffI've read like sort of

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psychology, philosophy stuff,teachings and things that I've
come across in the last severalyears of looking into such
things.
That's what it's about, liketrying to bring out the best in
yourself and also with others,and that's a big part of what I
enjoy about the coaching side ofthings and I sort of try and do

(17:55):
that outside of, let's say, mypaid part in that as well, just
being at parks If I just seetalk to people, people that I
know or don't, if there'sopportunities there, try and
just, you know just a littletidbit here and there, maybe,
and it might be a trick or itmight be a little something else
.
You know, lifestyle or whatever, and I'd also like to add like,

(18:17):
if you know, all this comesadds more to being a
self-sustaining lifestyle.
Uh, adds more to being aself-sustaining lifestyle.
What what I aim to do with that, with all of that, is do some I
guess you'd call it pro bonocoaching to kids who can't
afford stuff and maybe aren't,you know, don't have the ability

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to tap into a program orsomething like that through
skate australia, but to be ableto reach out to underprivileged
kids.
I was having this discussion theother week.
It's like what would you do ifyou had, you know, if you won
the lottery or had heaps ofmoney?
And I think that would be onething I would do, like maybe try
and set up a foundation orsomething to help kids be able

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to go through, let's say, theprofessional competition cycle,
and they can't afford it andthat's a big divide, I think, at
the moment, because a lot ofit's self-funded for so many
people, not just in Australia,and it is like that for a lot of
other sports as well, not justskating or action sports, but
many traditional sports.

(19:24):
You have to self-fund yourself,I've discovered for a lot of it
.
So to maybe help kids who areunderprivileged to be able to do
that, who've got the talent butthey don't have the means to be
able to get around to, like,well, global qualifiers and
things, and I think that wouldbe a really cool place to take
it.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, and I think you both used the word satisfaction
, like put a price on thatsatisfaction.
You really can't Like I knowwhen you do, you know your
research gym and you know thephoto exhibitions you've done
and things like that.
Like you know you're notlooking for monetary value out
of it.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
Oh no, I mean, there isn't any.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
You're sort of like oh, of like a bit self-serving
because I'm getting satisfaction.
Well, I think you give a lotfor that satisfaction and I
think what a great way to live.
You know, whereas, like so manypeople are seeking what's in
this?

Speaker 6 (20:17):
for me, you know, and I think you know it's it never
leads to happiness ever no,that's right, and I think part
of it for me is just like isbeing a conduit to things that
already exist.
So it's not even a selfishness,as far as it's not something
I've done or made necessarily.
It's just giving people accessto something that that you know
they I'm sure they would havehad the ability to find it
themselves, but it just wouldhave been a bigger struggle.

(20:37):
So, helping people, you knowaccess history or you know and.
But kind of talking about that,I wanted to go back to how, how
you mentioned kind of when youwere coming up just then, when
you were talking about coachingyourself, now, who were the
figures?

Speaker 5 (20:57):
This is for personal interest for me doing that kind
of as close as that role couldbe for free in the early 90s,
for example, that were givingyou advice, um, giving you
advice on tricks or or helpingyou with skateboarding itself

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were there, were there any'dlike to say Chris, he was
inspirational in just what hisskateboarding output, but he
wasn't necessarily up front withsort of helping people at that

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stage, like directly you know,but definitely inspirational
with just how things sort ofseemed to click for him.
So there was that and it wasquite obvious, that sort of gift
and it was like wow, you know,that was good enough unto itself
at that stage.
He became a lot more personableas time went on.

(22:02):
Definitely he became a lot morepersonable as time went on.
Definitely I guess Mick Mulhallwas good through that time for
sure.
He was always around, you know,through vert skating and stuff.
Obviously the vert ramps werepretty focal points, pretty much

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focal points at that stage.
Who else then?
I don't know, because the olderguys, most of them, who were
around weren't that much older.
Particularly in hindsight theyseemed a lot older.
It was like four or five yearsdifference, but now that's like
nothing, you know, relativelyspeaking.
So everyone was just all in ittogether in the mishmash really,

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and everyone.
It was very territorial, kindof a bit more so back then, and
that didn't necessarily mean itwas nasty or anything like that,
but it was very much like kindof you had to hold your own in
sessions, which was aninteresting thing.

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It definitely taught you how tosnake and have to, you know,
barge it to get a go, because itwas pretty ruthless back then
and I guess you used that energyfrom everyone to push you, you
know.
But there certainly wasn't alot of direct help and guidance

(23:30):
like verbally as such along theway.
I remember being a bit inspiredby Evo Dave Evans.
I remember him going, oh, Iwouldn't mind, you know.
No, he was just a bit inspiringbecause he was really good at
skating in those years and justhe sort of put hype out there as
well as being an amazing snake,like incredible.

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All the Cronulla guys were likereally good at snaking on vert,
but that was.
But it kind of pushed you, youknow as well.
None of it really had a malicebehind it, but it just really it
brought a different type ofassistance.
You know it's just like hypeand uh, yeah, hype and vibe to

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the whole sessions and litthings up.
So it pushed everyone stillpushed each other, though that
that's always been there whenthings happen.
It was like, yeah, everyone getbehind people doing things for
sure.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
What about you, jim, who were some of your key
influences?

Speaker 6 (24:32):
or role models, even In Newcastle.
This guy I'm still friends withtoday.
He was one of my cousin's bestfriends.
He lives in Norway now.
His name is Brett Peoples and,yeah, he was just like skater
with my older cousin.
Cousin's best friends is thisguy.
He lives in norway now.
His name is brett peoples and,um, yeah, he was just like
skater with my older cousin and,uh, he was kind of one of the
when I started skating in townwith all the older guys.

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He was kind of one of thosepeople.
I kind of maybe because Ialready knew him, I kind of had
a bit of a past, so as a grom Ikind of skipped that process,
kind of got to hang at the spotswith everybody already you know
and got to meet people thatwere already established in the
local scene.
So that really helped.
So my cousins as well my cousinTom and Jack, yeah were just

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probably the biggest influencesI think to this day.
You know, like as far as oneboth surfed and skated.
Both were like amazing visualartists.
Both were really like I don'tknow just good at the things
that they did and they werereally like generous with their
time and sharing those thingswith me.
And I definitely they're farmore talented at anything

(25:39):
they've ever done than I am, butyeah, I think they just opened
up the world for me.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Interesting.
Did you feel like you werecraving a role model?
Because, I know I was okay,yeah do you feel like you needed
role model or?

Speaker 6 (25:55):
just they were like I definitely I can remember like
realizing when I was in my earlyteens that there were people
that I really looked up to andthat I valued their kind of like
, the things that they told me,but I also was kind of, maybe a
little bit wary of that too,like just being aware, maybe

(26:15):
even I wouldn't, even though Iwouldn't have been able to
articulate it like this, butthat maybe everybody's fallible.
So like not to, not to, youknow, do everything they did as
well.
Yeah, but I can definitelyremember things like I can
remember getting good advice,though, like I can remember,
like I can remember coxiegetting really angry, like ben

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getting really one time like theidea of me, like smoking pot or
taking drugs, because like theydid.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
How did that make you feel Like oh wow, someone cares
about me.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
Oh yeah, tell me what to do.
No kind of like, maybe morethinking.
Yeah, no like made me feelvalued, I suppose, did it?
Yeah, because it's kind of like.
Well, they must care about youin some way, did you?

Speaker 5 (27:03):
feel like you needed role models, ty, or you just
liked it.
I don't think I really feltlike I needed them.
I think I had a pretty good andrelatively stable sort of
family surroundings and stuff.
So I think I felt pretty atease in that scenario.
So I was just out skating andhaving fun and wanting to push

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it and, I guess, be inspired bywhomever was around you know,
pushing the envelope andinspiring me and whoever was
around.
Like I said, it was just thismishmash of everyone together
like really working it andtrying to work things out.
And particularly like thatperiod I was talking about was

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more late 80s into the early,very early 90s when that scene
was super strong, from like CurlPark to Mona Vale, vale to
bondi, sort of fairfield.
That time that was about, youknow, 88 to 92 somewhere there
and then and then it turned intostreet skating more because all

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the vert ramps sort ofdilapidated or whatever, and
then street just went, you know,through the roof with
progression and everything.
And that was a super inspiringperiod that also had its
gnarkiness.
You know new trick came along,couldn't do the old trick like
you know pressure flips came inand out real quick and it was
like massive in and then it wastotally out sort of same, with

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no complies and that sort ofthing, you know.
So and if he was still doingthose tricks, you certainly
weren't.
You considered cool in thescenes.
They had to like do this majoradaption really quickly along
the way.
So yeah, everyone was justpushing each other like that and
that maybe wasn't necessarilyalways in a positive light.

(28:50):
Like I said, you looked at likenot so positively if you
weren't doing the cool tricks orwhatever, whatever.
But that brought its own.
It was exciting because therewas so much new stuff going on
and that was that was reallyinspiring in itself and just
everyone pushing it.
You know into like Davo andWade Burkett, you know, and then

(29:16):
into sort of Aaron Jenkinscoming to Sydney and just
everyone in town.
Like I'd go street skating inthe city a lot.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
Yeah, that was one of my questions.
In what year did you learnfrontside no-slides on ledges?

Speaker 5 (29:31):
Far out, I don't know , 92 probably.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
And then, like in more recent, in more recent
years, do you ever ask yourselflike maybe I should learn a new
ledge trick or I wouldn't sayit's not entered my head I love
street skating still, like Ireally do love it.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
It takes a long time to to warm up.
Pop these days.
I'll tell you that.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
I just find it bizarre.
Like you've got like one of thebest frontside no slides on
ledges right and you're a vertskater originally, but like
you've just got that trick so onlock and me and Jim were
talking me and Jim went for askate today and we were talking
about how, like, for some people, some tricks just work and it
seems like frontside no slidesin the streets is for you, for

(30:20):
jim, I think you were sayinglike what's a street trick that
just works?
Like half cap kickflips, likethat half cap kickflip today was
so sick.
But why?
Why do some tricks work?
Andrew reynolds, frontsidekickflips who?

Speaker 6 (30:31):
else.
No, it's something to do with,I don't know, repetition, like
body patterns.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
There's a lot of body , yeah, yeah, structure body
patterns and structure, and allthat for sure yeah and your
particular, like patterns, butweight and you hold yourself and
how your feet feel comfortable.
I mean, there's so manyintricacies, it's like sure
we've had the discussion before.
Some people can do kick flip,but they can't heel flip, vice
versa, you know.
You know what I mean.
There's so many Some people arejust better at frontside than

(30:58):
backside Talking to the kidstoday like some people can do
airs on vert but not lip tricks.
Others can just do lip tricksreally well but they're not that
good at airs.
You know everyone has, or lotsof people have, their favoured
ways of doing things.
You know Some people areexceptional at switch and don't

(31:19):
look like they're skating switch, but some people are like, oh,
that switch and it.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
you know it doesn't always look that good even
though it's switch or whateveryeah, I was getting messed up
because I was watching tiago'spart in that latest edit, the
new balance video.
Yeah, he's one of those skatersthat like he's amazing and his
part's amazing, but he's one ofthe few I go, oh, was that
switch or not switch?

Speaker 5 (31:38):
because he's just so dialed both ways right he's
definitely good like that, forsure, because he's a goofy
footer yeah, I get reallyconfused because he's switch.
I'm like oh, that's.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
It makes sense because I'm regular and you're
like no no yeah I just want toclarify too.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
I grew up, for the first couple of years, skating
street.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
So wait, wait, wait, you started street.
Yeah, no, you didn't, did you,it was barely any foot stuff.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
I skated street for years, okay.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
I just want to clarify Streets of Bondi or just
the city yeah.
Or you hit the city.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Bondi and the city and my local school.

Speaker 6 (32:16):
What.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
Wallara school, wallara, yep, yep, or just the
city.
Yeah, or you're in the cityBondi and the city, yeah, and my
local school.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
What Wallara School, wallara, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Wallara Public Martin Place, pyramid.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Bank.
Yeah, yeah, remember that.
The structure, the pyramids andstuff, what?
Was that called.
I was trying to tell someonethe other day because they're
about this bank in Martin Place.
Yeah, that was the metalpyramid bank.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
My mum was friends with the artist who created that
.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
Oh shit.
Who was the artist?
Who was it?

Speaker 5 (32:44):
That slips my mind at the moment, which is bad
Because we were speaking aboutit the other day because you
said the same thing to me, yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Yeah, it was so epic and it's like forgotten by
people.
Yeah, totally, it's likeforgotten by people.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
Yeah, totally it's like they never knew existed
like wallies off the side of itand all sorts of things, and it
was quite steep and super steep,yeah, and that thing got skated
so heavily it had like allthese indentations, yeah little
bullets, like from people's,like trucks, you know the wheel
nut and tiny wheels, likejamming into it the whole time.
39 mil wheels hammering thatthing how do we do it?

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Do you want me to talk about the good push again?
Really quickly, I told youabout Nathan Keely skating, just
like I've got to mentionsomething he started the good
push about how long ago was it,jim?

Speaker 6 (33:29):
I don't know, last year.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
No, I thought it was early this year.
I don't know.
I thought he's oh yeah, it wasearly this year, it was like
three or four months ago and hedid about 100K and then had like
a somewhat of a hernia orsomething to that it's pretty
serious.
He had a pretty serious medicalissue, just randomly, you know,
and then had to stop it and itwas quite devastating and, to

(33:54):
his credit, he has restarted itand it's day four now and he
restarted from where he endedand it's still approximately, I
think, in total still like 250kilometres of pushing.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
Yeah, I think he's done 200 kilometres already on
this trip.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
Yeah, yeah, already, yeah, and so it's amazing,
anyway.
So just again like that, thathuman spirit and of never giving
up.
It's just like the epitome ofwhat skateboarders are right
like you keep going until youland.
It's such a metaphor for lifeand resilience it's just
resilience and I just think thatexample to people alone is like

(34:33):
okay, I started this thing, Idid have a major medical issue,
I'm doing it, I'm going back andI'm doing it, so respect it's
great, definitely yeah so weneed more of it.

Speaker 6 (34:45):
He's a lovely guy too .
He's keely, yeah, a really goodguy, yeah yeah, and he's a past
guest last year.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
so you go back and listen to nathan keely's episode
and I'm gonna ask you guys.
So this year I've had a rangeof guests on.
I'm going to rattle off some ofthe names that I've had on and
I want you guys to just maybedrop your two cents in for some
episodes that maybe stood outfor you.
I don't know if you listened toall of them, but start of the
year, this year, my first guestof the year was Chad Caruso, so

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he was the guy that skatedacross America.
So Nathan was quite inspired byhim.
So Chad I found superinteresting because he did this
thing no one else had ever donebefore.
And again, it's breaking downthose barriers.
And then, what do you know,nathan's doing it and Chad was
also saying there's some otherguys around the world who are
now doing these skate acrosscountry initiatives.

(35:33):
What do you guys think?
Pretty right, it's amazing forsure who are now doing these
skate across country initiatives.
What do you guys think?
Pretty great, huh.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
It's amazing for sure .
I mean it's a massive endeavor,especially all the way across
America.
I mean a few hundred cases,amazing in itself, but fully
across America.
I mean even our roads.
But roads aren't made forskating.
Generally they're rough roads,obviously.
Generally they're rough roads,obviously.

(36:01):
I know chad.
I watched a couple of his vlogsand, uh, the wheels, the wheel
damage he was getting and stuffchipping out and you know, I
think would have gone through afew sets and, yeah, just a
massive undertaking to do thatfor sure massive and you know,
in this culture where, like,everyone can comment and have
their two cents on the internet,it was really funny In that
episode Chad said to me.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
One of his quotes was he said I found it really it
was really funny to see how manypeople reached out to me to
tell me that I was doing thiswrong, yet I was supposedly
doing this thing that had neverbeen done, and it's like isn't
that just a reflection of thesociety we're living in at the
moment?
Like everyone's got anuninformed opinion on something

(36:42):
without actually formulating areal view, Don't you reckon?
And I was just like yeah, andthen what do you know?
He did it.

Speaker 6 (36:49):
Yeah, it's like the.
You know it's the same as guyssitting in a lounge watching
football telling, screaming atthe television, telling them you
know you should have done this,you should have done that.
I mean, you know it's much.
You know it's easy to criticizefrom the sidelines.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah, like when I watched the UFC 100% on the
couch going why don't you justkick him in the head?
Just kick him in the head, theynever do it.

Speaker 6 (37:13):
They can't hear you.
Why can't they hear?

Speaker 5 (37:15):
you, it's rigged.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah.
So Chad Caruso started off theyear this year and for me I
loved it.
Super inspiring, just a gooddude, and also his story is
great because he is an alcoholicand he got sober.
So another one of those youknow and it's quite, it's almost
cliche I'm sober now but again,full credit.
So he's gone from likeaddiction to this recovery to

(37:40):
then achieving amazing things.
And again I just feel like whenyou get honest with yourself
and be really honest and be real, life just gets beautiful and
inspiring and you know there'sno end.
The sky's the limit.
So that's what I took away fromthat episode personally.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
That's something.
Honesty to yourself issomething I try and talk to the
kids about a bit as well, yeah.
Not super often, but it'ssomething that's definitely been
brought up because I think thatcan be a major blockage.
You know essentially lying toyourself and you don't even know
you're doing it.
Sometimes you think you knowessentially lying to yourself
and you don't even know you'redoing it.
Sometimes you think you knowyou see little kids playing.

(38:20):
They're like I'm flying orwhatever or doing stuff, and
it's like they're yeah, they'repretending and they're playing
and that's fine.
But I think sometimes thatcarries through and people think
they're doing things thatthey're not you know.

Speaker 6 (38:36):
And it takes some sometimes mental fortitude to
know when you when you're lyingto yourself or not, when you're
fooling yourself and you'vereally got to be honest with
yourself to to go forwards doyou come across that in your
coaching role much, um, peoplethat exactly what you're saying

(38:57):
people that aren't aware oftheir limitations and I know, to
be fair, a lot of the peopleare young, but I know that there
is a big thing.
You know, when you grow up at askate park, or at skate parks
in general, there's always a guythat could be a good
skateboarder, could be good atskating that local park, um, but
they're pretty focused, or atleast acting as if they're

(39:17):
focused, on making it inskateboarding.
They don't really skateanywhere else.
They couldn't honestly becomparing themselves to the
latest videos or looking at thephotos in the magazines, because
if they were honest withthemselves, they don't actually
compare.
But then they also feelslighted in the world of
skateboarding itself when theydon't make it.
Do you see that?
You know the?

(39:38):
You know the exact charactersI'm talking about.
Of course, you've both been inthe industry for a long time.
Yeah, can you see thebeginnings of those ever in your
coaching role?
And then, how do you work?
How do you work with those withwith that?
How do you kind of sidestepthat and either make them
successful?

Speaker 5 (39:53):
how do you be honest with someone and say I don't
know if I think I've seen alittle bit of it in kids who are
more so sort of beginningstages of their journey.
I think the better crew who I'mworking with have a reasonable
understanding of where they'reat.
But it's funny, in the lessdeveloped kids I do see it a bit

(40:17):
and it's almost not worth likereally confronting that with
them sometimes.
Like yeah, I can do this andthat, and you're like, well,
maybe not, you know, and yousort of just try it's not so
much of being blunt with them,but just trying to work a way
around for them to do that trickproperly yep, like funny ones,

(40:41):
particularly like rock to fakieswhen they clip on the way in
and same with fakie disastersand stuff and you're like like,
yeah, I can do it.
And you're like, yeah, but it'sjust not going to work that way
you know, and that's just avery obvious one.
And yeah, just to try and getthem to work around, that is a

(41:02):
funny thing.
And they're like, yeah, but Ican do all these things.
And you're like, yeah, but youkind of can't.

Speaker 6 (41:08):
And you still want them to enjoy themselves as well
?

Speaker 5 (41:09):
Yeah, exactly, and you don't want to crush that fun
and what they're getting out ofit by saying no, that's just
totally the wrong way of doingit.
You're crap.
You know you've got ages to go.
So it's a fine line betweengetting, helping them to improve
and and encouraging them andnot discouraging them.
You know what I mean likechecking their ego and, and

(41:32):
there's a bit of ego checking inthere as well, because well, it
does and and.
But they're kids and they're soyoung, you're so young, you're
just like da-da-da-da-da, youknow.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
You had your ego checked when you were young by
the older crew.
Yeah, if you were getting toococky, you were put in your
place.
Kids these days are not gettingput in their place.

Speaker 5 (41:50):
I could be wrong, but I think there's potentially a
bit more fragility out therethese days with so much
mollycoddling going on, you know.
So I think it's a yeah, it'sjust that's an interesting
challenge in it trying to workwith that and around that and
getting good outcomes from thatpoint, you know, and that's its

(42:14):
whole own challenge, and eachkid is different as to how you
tackle that.
And that's what I enjoy in thecoaching space to be able to
work with each kid individuallyand come up with solutions so
you can work through that, keepthem encouraged and inspired,
you know, and that's the craftright there.

(42:35):
That is the craft.
That's the craft, Sure sure.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Firm and fair, yeah, but I don't think you're doing a
kid any benefit bymollycoddling them.
I really don't.
I don't think you should bewrapping things in cotton wool,
like.
I think there needs to be sometough love.
I think there needs to be moretough love, but also I think,

(43:05):
especially with young men, uh,they need strong role models who
are?
Putting them in their place ina way that's masculine and kind
and, yeah, I think we have aresponsibility to do that,
because it's not happeningenough and there's a whole
generation being raised bysingle mothers and full credit
to single mothers.
But there needs to be a balanceand I feel like we can be male

(43:25):
role models to young boyswithout being their fathers, and
they need that as well.
And fathers obviously have theresponsibility to step up and be
the primary role model, but theresearch shows that other
people in that child's circleare just as important to their
development and learning.
And yeah, that's all I've gotto say.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
No, definitely that.
And I think when I try and doit, I try and use humour where
possible to try and lighten themood up and still get to the
core of things as well and notjust be like harsh down the line
.
I'll tell some truth but try,and you know, use a light tone

(44:08):
with it.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
That's where you're good at it.
Like it's questionable if I'mgood at that as a teacher.
Oh, I think I've softened a lot, especially as a teacher.
But yeah, you are exceptional.
I've seen you with TajWolfenden the other day coaching
him.
I've seen your approach to him.
It was like this subtly relaxedyet very concise feedback.

(44:32):
There's the craft.
It's like he's a craftsman,craftsman, anyway, so keep going
.
So yeah, this year I had a fewother amazing guests, like Jed
Smith.
He is the co-host of thebiggest surf podcast in the
world Ain't that Swell?
And also article writer forStab Magazine.
Now, we don't talk anythingabout surfing in that episode.
I'm really drawn to Jed becausehe's very outspoken, used to be

(44:53):
a vice journalist, has amazingworldviews and opinions,
educated opinions, but alsosustained numerous head injuries
throughout his life and hasacquired probably CTE and has
been curing himself through arange of modalities such as
breathing, ice bath,psychedelics, cbd oil and he's

(45:16):
very public about it and I foundit super intriguing, so I
learned a lot about that.
I also had James McMillan,who's a profound artist from
Byron Bay and good friend surfer, but again, his art speaks to
me, so I loved that.
Here's one that I foundinteresting Rudolph.
So Darren Stapleton, do youremember Darren?

Speaker 6 (45:35):
Stapleton?
Yeah, absolutely, did you guyslisten to that one?
Yeah, absolutely, because Ithink I said this to you once.
So one of the earliestmagazines that I had was like an
issue of Speed Wheels andDarren had like a checkout in it
and he's doing a ho-ho like ahandstand.
And I can remember saying likeone of the first times that like

(45:56):
I skated with like older guysin town and like this magazine
at the time was like four yearsold, it's probably 92.
The magazine came out in 88 andI can remember kind of they're
like, oh, talk, people talkingabout who their favorite
australian skateboarders were,and I was maybe 11 or something.
I was like oh, yeah, rudolph's.

(46:17):
And like the older guys stoppedand looked at me like what the
fuck, how do you even know?
It would have been seven whenthat magazine, like when that
got and I was like oh, and Ijust remember getting roasted
for saying not because ofRudolph, not because of Darren
at all, because you knew thehistory well, just, it was also

(46:38):
also like it was kind of likepressure flip, no slide.
Like like no slide, crooked,grind, no slide era, and then,
like we were having this seriousconversation, I'd name dropped
like rudolph doing a ho-ho anduh yeah, I just got roasted that
goes back to what I was sayingyeah, it's exactly.
It's exactly what I was sayingbefore about things moved so
quickly, right, like you know,you, one minute, like during

(47:01):
that period, it's like no sidecrew ground, no side crew ground
, we didn't call it crew ground,it's obviously.
But like yeah and uh, and thenyou know two weeks later, if you
did that trick, you're a kook,you know.
One week you're doing pressureflips, the next week you're
doing double flips, the nextweek you're doing double flips.
Then if you do either of thosea month later, like you're a
kook, like everybody you knowit's, you know.
Then you know, just, everythingwas so rapid, the progression

(47:24):
was so rapid.
You had to really be you had tobe on your like A game the whole
time.
But it was just so exciting soI mean I wasn't even bringing up
.
This would have been.
No, it would have been morethan 92 because Questionable was
definitely out.
It was further than that.
It was after Tim and Henry's.
Even it probably would havebeen between virtual reality and
secondhand smoke.
I date a lot of things usingthe Plan B videos.

(47:45):
I don't know if anybody elsedoes that.

Speaker 5 (47:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (47:47):
Questionable for sure , so it was probably a bit later
than that.
Seriously.
So yeah, of course, but thenI'm calling out like Rudolph is
one of my favorite Australianskateboarders.
Just from this picture of aho-ho, you can imagine how
roasted I go, because I wasn'tjust two weeks behind.
I wasn't like talking pressureflips and doubles, I'm like

(48:09):
years behind.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Can I ask you though, jim like?
Have you on a personal note,have you always just been
enamored by history On Likeoutside of skateboarding?
Are you just attracted tohistory?

Speaker 6 (48:21):
No, I'm just interested in it, but it's not
Like.
It's also not one of thosethings I hate and I say this all
the time, any time we're havingconversations.
I don't want to be one of thosepeople that's constantly
looking back either, like Ialways say, like the best
skateboarding is happening now.
No doubt I'm not somebodythat's like oh in my day, but I
just liked to be informed.
I liked it all and like evenwhen I got my first board, I got

(48:45):
this john lacero street thing,but there are already double
kicks in the shop, but on thearchetype of a skateboard on
television, if you did see, onewasn't a double kickboard yet
and I wanted like I just so.
I was so attracted toskateboarding, I wanted to just
be a part of what it looked likeand stuff but were you trying
to be like original within thesubculture?

(49:08):
I know, I know I bought a pairof airwalk beyonds once in like
1995 to cut down because I wasprobably still watching
questionable too much and justgot roasted.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
So were you trying to be cool by not being cool?
No, no, I wasn't thatdeliberate.
I wasn't that deliberate.

Speaker 6 (49:23):
No, it was more just like being stuck in my own
little world.

Speaker 4 (49:25):
As like a kid, turned up to this excursion, I went on
the other day.
He's in year 10, 16, turned upwith a CD Walkman Whoa.
And just like what's that?

Speaker 6 (49:38):
Like a Discman.

Speaker 4 (49:39):
Discman.
It's like a CD.
You know those old, yeah, ofcourse it's like this big square
and he had it like clipped onhis belt.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
The biggest lie ever told is when they have the
anti-shock thing.
Yeah, that just didn't work.
They skip.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
I know, and we were just me and the other teachers
were cracking up because weremember literally having them
when it was all you had.
Yeah.
And it was just this.
Was it an attempt to be like,hey, I'm so retro, or was he
just genuinely like into it?
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
You'd have to ask him .
Yeah, it couldn't have been forthe sound quality, couldn't be
for the sound quality.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
But no, I could no.
You is what I'm trying to say.
No, no, no, mine was probablymore just being off in my own
little world.
Anyway, so other guests.
Sid Tapia, for the second timewas an interesting one because
Sid had a really interestingyear in terms of his art.
He did some really profoundartworks that were in the public
eye with his murals, likepainted all the Matildas.

(50:33):
He was also commissioned by FoxSports to paint an image of
Shane Warne and I'm having amental blank the other cricketer
with dreadlocks, andrew Simons.

Speaker 6 (50:44):
You're asking the wrong person.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
I'm not a cricket guy , but it was a really special
moment when they won the Yashesand Andrew Simons jumps on Shane
Warne after he bowled outsomeone.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
Andrew Simons is the guy that was on hey hey Saturday
, isn't it, andrew Simons?
No, it's Red Simons.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Sorry, I don't know.
Are you being funny or is itbecause that's funny?
Yeah, I was.
But anyway.
So he had that and we talkedabout that, talked about his
life and, yes, sid, hisinfluence on australian street
culture, skate culture runs sodeep and I I often forget, and
it wasn't until we did the endaaron brown episode, you and I

(51:26):
and aaron pulled out thisbeautiful book, his homage to
skateboarding in sydneypredominantly in other parts of
the country, but mainly Sydney.
And seeing all the old imagesof Sid and I was like wow man,
his look, his trick selection,his whole presentation was quite
striking for the era.
What do you reckon?

Speaker 5 (51:46):
Yeah, definitely, and because I partly grew up street
skating with Sid and Alex Smithno frontside nose sliding Shush
with Sid.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
No, and Alex Smith, frontside nose sliding.

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Shush.
And yeah, sid was rad when wewere super young.
You know he had the ollie popback then and then he hurt
himself ollieing a massive gapand then he was sort of gone for
years and it was like damn,imagine if Sid kept skating, you
know whatever.
He'd be like super good.

(52:16):
And then he came back after,you know, obviously rehabbing
and getting over the knee stuff,and then he just turned into a
whole new Sid you know, notnecessarily new just followed on
and improved and did everythingthat he went on to do and yeah,
always classic style, you know,things done really well for

(52:38):
sure there was a marketability.
Definitely.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
For me.
I see him as one of thosepeople on the forefront of this,
like good skater, but alsoconscious of marketing
themselves, and did it quitewell.
Would you agree or disagree?

Speaker 5 (52:52):
I think I was probably naive to that thing
directly as such.
But he certainly had his wholestyle of himself and and that
was evident since he was young,like he kind of had, you know,
good haircut and he just alwayshe never looked ratty or
anything like when we wereyounger.

(53:12):
So I guess he always justfollowed that through.
It was kind of his naturalstyle, you know, not just his
skate style, but he's just hisgeneral style of living, you
know, and that that came acrossit was just an attractive skater
and human like that, you know,and I think that rubbed off and
his skating exemplified that aswell.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Yeah, it all went hand in hand you had a push on a
skateboard.

Speaker 6 (53:37):
He was handsome too, he looked like.
He kind of looks like he stillkind of looks like he kind of
looks like Pete Andre hey hey,that's a yeah, he does, he does
no for real Like, and that's nota burn he kind of does.
Right, there's a going ad.
There's a going ad.

(53:59):
There's a going ad.
I'm scared for going.
I forgot about that.
There's a going ad thatO'Meally shot at Gosford Skate
Park and he's doing like a melonover the hip and he looks like
a young Peter Andre doing like abig kind of melancholy.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
He must have liked tight trucks.

Speaker 6 (54:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:09):
Those things didn't turn terrible.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Yeah, I think he's riding the little Gs in the ad.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
They were my first ever trucks.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
What Were they?

Speaker 4 (54:18):
like Shadows or Pro 3s or something.
The ones in the middle of thehangar had the little.

Speaker 6 (54:22):
Had the groove.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Groove yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:24):
What were they called ?
Well, they was like.

Speaker 5 (54:25):
Shadows or Pro 3s or Pro 1 or 2.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
Phoenix there was a few different ones.
Phoenix had the plastic baseplate right right, yeah, I think
so, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Oh, there was a few of them did yeah, yeah, then
after sid tapie's episode I hadjim turvey, which was a great
episode jim, yeah, that was good, that was a good history for
sure yeah, it was for sure Iloved it.
Uh yeah, the zine culture.
It's an epic one.
Again, I love art in all formsand, again, you're the only
person who's ever brought thatform of art to the table.

(55:03):
So thank you, oh, thank you.

Speaker 6 (55:05):
Yeah, no, I mean I'd just like to thank everybody,
like in the Australian scenethat's made them for me to
collect them really, like I meanI make them too.
But even the picture I justshowed Ty before was from one of
Andrew McKenzie's scenes in theearly 90s and that to me, yeah,
it's pretty valuable.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Just you're creating all these amazing relics that
are going to be around longafter you're gone.
Yeah, like, how cool is that?

Speaker 6 (55:28):
Yeah, I think that's cool.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
And then your daughter's going to, you know,
have these things to look at aswell, you know.

Speaker 6 (55:37):
Like do you ever think of that?
Well, she might look at thatand be what was dad into.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
Yeah, I had earth boy on the show from the herd I
already mentioned.
I was really stoked about thatone.
You know tim levinson.
He came to the house and, um, Ispent most of the day with him
and I think we went, had coffeeand stuff and, uh, again, he's
always been politically driven.
If you've ever listened to theHerd, the Herd's whole thing was
anti-establishment question,the status quo.

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I mean, their lyrics were epicand he wrote most of the lyrics
for a lot of their songs.
But he said something about artin the show that I just really
loved and the quote was art ispart of social change.
Art is how we have a publicconversation about everything.
It's an essential part of howsociety moves.
It's the cogs in the wheel.
And I was like what it's so?

(56:24):
True, because I work in publiceducation and whenever the
government's going to cut budgetto education, what area of
education do they cut?
They cut the arts because itdoesn't fit into the capitalist
model or anything.
But I guess my question is likehow much is the capitalist
model really serving our society?

Speaker 5 (56:42):
And when you look at the state that we're in, Well, I
think, just to cut to this realquick, I think it does, but
it's just unfettered capitalismand corrupted capitalism is a
problem, that's all.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
But how do you regulate that?

Speaker 5 (56:59):
It's very difficult, because humans are humans.

Speaker 6 (57:01):
Yeah, and greed exists.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Exactly, and greed is one of the seven deadly sins.

Speaker 6 (57:05):
That's a powerful force, but the arts sector right
contributes more to theAustralian economy than the
mining sector does.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Which is amazing right, okay, tell me how.

Speaker 6 (57:15):
Well, actors, television, visual arts, music,
journalism, the arts sector.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
The arts sector is a big, you consider journalism as
art.

Speaker 6 (57:25):
The arts fit in, so anything that fits into the arts
sector ultimately.
So the overarching arts sectorcontributes and employs more
people in Australia than miningdoes.

Speaker 5 (57:36):
I remember reading that during COVID because they
were talking about thingsgetting cut.
You know, that's a truestatistic.

Speaker 6 (57:42):
That's not just me making that up, because I was an
arts major Jamie.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
get that up for us, would you?
Is this your?

Speaker 6 (57:48):
imaginary assistant.
Hey, wait, there's some weirdfeedback in my ear.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
I was getting it too and I changed my plug-in.
Let's fix you.
Is it like getting all like arattly?

Speaker 6 (57:59):
It sounds like there's a B in like the thing
and it was coming from yours, itwas coming from everybody, like
when everybody spoke.
So I don't know if it was myheadphones or if it's the mic.
Say something.
I'm still getting a little bit.
How's that?
No.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
I can still hear it Like a reverb.

Speaker 6 (58:17):
I just don't want it to affect the recording.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
No, it doesn't.
It's just in the actual speakerthe headphones.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
Can I take my headphones off then?
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
That's really bizarre .
Yeah because, I was getting ittoo, and then I changed plug-ins
and you just tell me then, ifI'm not point at me, if I'm not
talking loud enough.
Yeah, thanks Jim.

Speaker 6 (58:36):
But no, that's a true statistic.
Yeah, Ty said he read it too.

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Wait up, let me get it right.
So you're saying that the artscontribute more to the economy?

Speaker 6 (58:46):
Yeah, and they're a bigger employer as well.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Oh, a bigger employer .
That makes sense.

Speaker 6 (58:50):
And a lot of well, a lot of.
So there's this misconceptionwith mining that it contributes
like, puts all this money backinto the, all the money goes
offshore.
Absolutely it does, andAustralia is a particularly bad
country economically foractually reaping the benefits of
their mining industry as well.
Someone like Norway where it'sall completely like, where it's
like publicly owned so anythingthat comes from their ground

(59:12):
goes back into their country asfar as, no matter who they sell
it to, all the profits go backthey employ their own.
Australia's shocking at doingthat.
It's all like privately ownedinternational companies and you
know they might.
It's something like 50,000people are directly employed in
Australia by the mining sector.
There's actually not that manycomparatively, you know, I'm

(59:34):
sure if you look I'm not If youlive in a small town and that's
your primary industry, obviouslythat's like everybody's
employed by that it's not goingto stop.
No, no, no.
But that's I'm not.
That's not what I'm saying.
I'm not taking anything awayfrom people, but there is this
misconception that it's thesaviour of the Australian

(59:56):
economy and money's just rapingand destroying the country for
ultimately no.
Have you noticed that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
your gas bill is through the roof.
Do you have like?

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
yeah, we have a gas.
Have you seen?
Have you seen?

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
have you just noticed that your gas bill is really
high?
Yeah, I've kind of felt like italways has been, but yeah
because we're selling all ourgas offshore at dirt cheap
prices and then the stuff thatgets kept here, it's become a
limited resource, so then we payexorbitant rates for our own
gas.

Speaker 6 (01:00:20):
It's kind of ridiculous yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:23):
Yeah, do we want to keep going on this tangent?

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
No, we don't need to start talking about the politics
.
No, why not?

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
We'll leave that to Joe and the others.
Well, I'm just making like Ithink it's okay to make
observations from what I'mnoticing, and I'm noticing that
my gas bill is the mostexpensive I've ever seen.
So then I researched it andlooked it up to go why is that
happening?
And that's what I discovered.

Speaker 6 (01:00:47):
I think Ty's right, I think we can.
I think there's one thing forus to touch on the topics, but
we don't want to get wrapped upin like I think at least one of
the things I enjoy about being aco-host or being a guest on
your show is not that it's notour job to solve these kind of

(01:01:07):
like earth-like problems.
I never once said that.
No, no, no, I'm not saying thatI never once said that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
No, no, no, I said speak from your personal
experience.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saidspeak from your personal
experience, and that was mypersonal experience.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
But no, no, no, what I'm saying you know, like I said
earlier, I love talking aboutthat stuff in my private life.
But also I'm here to like I wasexcited to come and talk about,
like skateboarding and like theshows that you've done this
year and like touch on all thosethings.
I don't want to get toosidetracked away from the things
we're passionate about.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Yeah, I didn't bring up the topic of mining I know I
did, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So anyway.

Speaker 6 (01:01:44):
But I was talking about the arts, not mining.

Speaker 4 (01:01:46):
Yeah, but I mean, we're also living this
experience and I know otherpeople commentate on it and
there's a lot of negativity outthere in the world and people
talking about negative stuff,but I feel that and I rarely
bring those topics into the showoh, no yeah.
But I also see a society thatis complacent to the point of

(01:02:09):
being complicit.
Oh yeah, sure.
We are, in my opinion, one ofthe most complacent societies in
the Western world.
We lay down and we roll over atthe drop of the hat out of fear
of losing an amazing lifestylewhich we have, but it's getting
eroded and you only have toliterally speak to your neighbor

(01:02:31):
next door who can't afford topay their rent, more people
living in vans than they've everhad who can't afford to pay
their rent, more people livingin vans than they've ever had.
And I just am sort of moredriven by keeping that
conversation going and maybeinspiring some not controversy
but fire in people to questionthe status quo and especially

(01:02:54):
question a distrust in thepowers that be.
And I'm not militant, I neverhave been and I work for the
government, so I'm just kind ofsick of it, if I'm straight.

Speaker 6 (01:03:03):
Yeah, I think that's fair enough and I think, yeah,
look, when you're saying aboutlighting a fire inside people,
yeah, and in complacency, look,I would.
You know, as far as for myperson, the way that my like,
the journey that I've been on, Iwould hate to think that I've
ever been passive.
You know, as far as you know,I've always been active in
trying to, like I don't know,try and figure things out for

(01:03:26):
myself, and I'm by no means anexpert in anything.
But you know, yeah, I try tokeep informed and I would like
to think that my neighbours andI don't mean my literal
neighbours, but I just mean thepeople around me were doing the
same thing.
But you know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Yeah, that's true.
Now listen, Russell Grundy wasthe next guest we had on the
episode, and one thing thatstood about Russ is that he's
quite like a loving soul.
He's got a lot of love to giveRuss.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
He really does, yeah a loving soul.

Speaker 4 (01:03:56):
He's got a lot of love to give.
He really does.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
Yeah, he does did you go up with him a lot?
I can remember when he firststarted coming to newcastle
skate park yeah, um, I canremember seeing him like on the
central coast and stuff as well,yeah, and he was just like he
was amazing.
I can remember thinking he wasamazingly consistent really
early on, like it was.
He was one of those firstpeople that when we're going to
skate comps and stuff like that,he kind of I suppose that's
when that thing started changingwith competition skateboarding

(01:04:18):
too.
You know, like the first compsI ever went to was still very
much street style comps,remember that and there was a
lot of.
You know, if it wasn't on ahalf pipe then there was a lot
of bailing going on.
But I can remember when hereally came on the scene that it
was, yeah, he kind of of.
For me he was one of thosefirst first people locally.
You know that was he was reallyconsistent, yeah he could make

(01:04:41):
his stuff yeah, definitely yeahyeah, definitely

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
yeah, yeah, you work with him a lot on the judging
scene I have done a lot of workwith him on that too, yeah, and
I remember him coming throughlike I'm billabong and you know,
when he was kind of a kickflipmelon guy or whatever.
But like he was great at thatstuff and you know pushed the
boundaries on the size of a lotof that stuff and you know came

(01:05:06):
out swinging.
It was good.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
He did he really did.

Speaker 6 (01:05:09):
He actually had a really big bag of tricks.
So I always felt that was aweird thing with Russ.
Yeah, he did get that.
I always felt that was a weirdthing with Russ.
Yeah, he did get that.
That was the kickflip melonthing, but he could.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
That was a special moment.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
Right, he had a.
Really he did have a really bigbag, and particularly a couple
of years later, you know, whenhe was probably in his early 20s
.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
He had an incredible bag of tricks.
Really good switch skater too.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Yeah, was he.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely he'sstill ripping.
He's still ripping.
Like I see some footage everynow and then I was like oh wow,
russell, you know, he's stillgot some moves, he's still got
some moves for sure Great switchpop shove.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
it Did he.
Yeah, I saw him do the switch360 flip over the fun box at
Mayfield once drop in switch.
It was so good.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Yeah, nice.
Then we to John Gray's and Iactually look at Jim next to him
.
I've got some plants behindsitting and there is a San Pedro
cactus that was given to me byJim Gray.
John Gray, oh sorry, John Gray.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Jim Gray is the vision.

Speaker 4 (01:06:06):
I meant to say John.
Did I say Jim Gray before?
I'm sorry, but John Gray, yeah.
So I'm like I always look atthat cactus and go John Gray
gave me that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
I'm like I always look at that cactus and go, john
Gray gave me that.
Yeah, you know, he's alwaysbeen a legend.
It was, you know, pleasuregrowing up skating vert around
him and like all that crew.
But, yeah, john was always justpleasant, friendly, you know,
loved it.
You know, always brought goodvibes to sessions and he
continued on.
You know, when I was doing thebondi skate riders comps during

(01:06:38):
the 2010s and and you know wehad a big demographic age
demographics coming along andhe'd come along and, you know,
rally the older boys up and andeven go in the fish comps you
know the street comps and stillget involved in there and he
just loved it.
He's like I just want to comeand put it out there and support
you guys and, just, you know,get everyone involved and there,
and he just loved it.
He's like, oh, I just want tocome and put it out there and
support you guys and, just, youknow, get everyone involved and

(01:06:59):
try and make it happen.
So he's always been a goodinspiration in the scene, for
sure, oh for sure man.

Speaker 6 (01:07:04):
I've got to say as a fan that was a great episode.
So thank you to both of you.
That was an awesome episode.
A lot of love came out of it.
Yeah, that was.
You know there's a bit of ayeah skate history nerd.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
That was a really good one I can thank Ty for
lining that one up.

Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
Absolute pleasure.
Yeah, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
Yeah, and I guess for me just spending time with
someone like John and justreally realizing what just a
kind and beautiful soul that manis, you know, really is, and
how much of a frother he stillis on skating so good 60 years
old ramp in the backyard.
Jimmy, I've seen.

Speaker 6 (01:07:40):
I've no, I've seen photos of it and footage of it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Yeah, yeah, and he's like 60 still doing inverts on a
vert ramp yeah, so good yep,anyway.
Then we had kane horsepool,who's a friend of mine from the
south coast, skateboarder,profound mural artist down on in
around the Wollongong Illawarraarea.
Love Kane, just a soul to theearth human, also works for
National Parks and Wildlife.

(01:08:04):
He's a conservationist at heartand his artwork reflects
Australian native birds andwildlife and that's a big
feature of his art and that heputs that in murals that go in
the street.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
So yeah, shout out kane, love you.
Buddy um, we had sean mussetgravel burns.

Speaker 4 (01:08:27):
Did you listen to that one?
I was the co-host I know youdid.
Sorry, I was like I gotta beconfused.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Yeah, did you know I haven't listened to that a few.
I've got to catch up on a few.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Again, and I was saying this to Jim when I met
Gravel and Jim.
You know it's very rare in lifewhen you just meet people and
instantaneously just go.
I think we're going to befriends, forever.

Speaker 6 (01:08:45):
We're in now.
And like that was a good moment.
Yeah, sean's a great guy andhe's a great ambassador for
skateboarding and he's just areally creative soul as well and
genuinely, and I think hisroots are so deep as far as,
like you know, he's friends withguys like John Gray.
He kind of transcends everygeneration, not just because of

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his age and he was there and hewas friends and he was skating
alongside them, but he kind ofhas he never really stopped
skateboarding at any stage andhe's kind of, yeah, he's just
always been there and he'salways been contributing in some
way as well.
Was he.
Doing art.
You know he did a lot of Bonzographic stuff and you know he's
kind of he did a lot of yeah, hedid a lot of kind of graphic

(01:09:29):
design and layout stuff and magsand stuff.
He was yeah he's always had hisfinger in it somewhere, you
know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Yeah, cool stuff he was.
Yeah, he's always had hisfinger in in it somewhere, you
know.
Yeah, cool, it's a good one.
Then.
This is interesting I had leonpaxton.
Now I'm gonna make mention this.
I still, if you're listening tothe like, I still have one more
episode to record this year andI'll tell the backstory to that
.
But to date, uh, so you'll belistening to this is the last
episode, but I've got one morerecording to do, but to date,
the Leon Paxton episode isactually this year the most

(01:09:59):
listened to episode of thepodcast this year.

Speaker 6 (01:10:03):
Well, he's got a big social media following.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
Yeah, but it did catch me off guard because, yeah
, I didn't realize he's verypopular with his YouTube channel
and all the skate park reviewstuff he does.
I just don't know why I didn'texpect it, because he's an
awesome guy with his YouTubechannel and all the skate park
review stuff he does.

Speaker 5 (01:10:22):
Yeah, I just I don't know why.
I didn't expect it, becausehe's an awesome guy.
But yeah, guy Miller said thathis kid Hunter loves watching
Leon's stuff.
You, know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Well, it's one of the few times I've gone to school
at my job and kids come up to megoing.
Do you know, Leon Paxton?
You know, not.
Did you interview ChimaFerguson or anyone else?
It's like I was just like okay,it's the next gen.

Speaker 6 (01:10:45):
I think, yeah, I think next gen is the thing as
far as that generational changeof skate media delivery and for
the three of us who are, youknow, within a couple of years,
the same age, it's a differentworld now as far as how people
receive their information.
Obviously I know that's such aobvious thing to say, but I mean

(01:11:06):
, as far as skate content goes,the skate industry was so hard
and fast about how things weredelivered for so long and people
were really scared to kind oflike stray from that because you
wouldn't like it.
It was quite possible that evenif you were the best
skateboarder in the world, ifyou weren't delivering yourself
in a certain way or packagingyourself a certain way, you were
never going to make it.

(01:11:26):
And people have kind of foundthese roundabout ways of
accessing kind of like fame orprofessionalism within
skateboarding that, just onceupon a time I suppose our
generations just would have justlike tore to pieces.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
There's also limited access and ability to do that.
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 5 (01:11:45):
So the platform is just multiple platforms is so
amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:11:48):
But just the fact that even people haven't moved
with the times with that like ofcourse, like it's quite obvious
when we say that of course,yeah, well, well, obviously,
these platforms that didn'texist before.
But there's still people thatare like, oh, that doesn't count
, they're not professionalskateboarders, when the reality
is these, there are youtubersand like influencers that are
making more money than you know,like a lot of people most

(01:12:10):
people that ever rode for likeaustralian companies or anything
like that yeah, and you'reright realistically, I 100 agree
and I'm personally stillgetting my head around the fact
that YouTube is a thing, arespected thing amongst the next
generation, a creditable thingto a lot of these kids, and a
platform yeah, like I agree it'sa platform Get some credibility
and fame.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
I don't know Because, like when we did his, when I
did the episode with Simon Boggofrom Convict Leon co-hosted
that one and we went to theskate park at Glebe and Leon did
a vlog of our day and while wewere at Glebe, like just
numerous kids coming up like, ohare you Leon Paxson and can I

(01:12:52):
get your autograph, or I just itwas just, I guess, a bit of an
eye opener, yeah, and then, likewhen Leon was filming us
skating and doing our thing,other kids kept trying to get in
the shot too, so they hopefullycould get on one of Leon's
vlogs, you know amazing.

Speaker 6 (01:13:09):
It's like when Tony Holland was on Neighbours was he
really?

Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
yeah, how do did he know this In like?

Speaker 6 (01:13:15):
1989 or 1990 oh shit.
I was taking a piss.
That's not what it's like.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
But he really was.

Speaker 6 (01:13:22):
Was Toadie.
No, it was before Toadie was init.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Now listen.
Rumour has it, you have aToadie tattoo.
Who told you that I do?

Speaker 6 (01:13:29):
I do have a tattoo on Toadfish.
You told me that.
Oh did I.
You know he's got a toadytattoo.
Well, how would he know that wejust met?

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
No, I'm telling you, he has a toady tattoo from Naver
.

Speaker 5 (01:13:42):
Amazing.
Why Can I ask, why why?

Speaker 6 (01:13:46):
That's a good question.
Should we not be laughing?

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
No, no.
Is it a piss take?
Are we allowed to laugh?
No, it's a mistake.

Speaker 6 (01:13:56):
My in about like nobody in my family watched
Neighbours until I was in aboutyear eight or something
tonsillitis, and I was home fromschool and I couldn't reach the
remote.
I was like, you know, like,just like a pancake on the
lounge and I came on, you know,like after Simpsons or whatever,
and I just watched an episodeand I was like, oh shit, I want
to find out what happens here.
And so just watched an episodeand I was like, oh shit, I want

(01:14:16):
to find out what happens here.
And so I watched an episode thenext day and then, you know, I
probably had a week off schoolor whatever, probably milked it
off the antibiotics that kickedin.
But you know, I ended upwatching like a week's worth and
I was addicted and at first myfamily would take the piss out
of me because no one watchedNeighbours in my family.
And then, like, they all gotaddicted too because of me,
because it was on.
And then it became this thingwhere, like and especially

(01:14:37):
because, like you know, as I gotolder and be at uni and stuff,
people would think they expectedme to be into like highbrow
shit or whatever, and I'd belike, what's your favorite show?
I'm like, oh, I love Neighborsand people would always get
really like offended, almost.
I'm like I don't think it'slike I like coming home from
work or you know whatever, orskating in winter when it's
early enough and you can switchoff.

(01:14:57):
It's not.
I don't think it's like thePhantom of the Opera.
You know like I'm watchingthat's a weird example as well.
So, anyway, fast forward yearslater and people take the piss
out of me for, like Neighboursand Simon Lyddiard, very dear
friend of mine and, like youknow, amazing skateboarder.

(01:15:19):
At the time he was dating atattooist and you know, like
outside of skateboarding I'malso really I collect tattoos as
well.
And yeah, and I think I justjoked with her one day about can
I get a tattoo of Toadfish?
And yeah, she drew up Toadie'shead, but like with an actual
toadfish body, and then drew iton my leg.

Speaker 4 (01:15:39):
So can I ask though, in all seriousness, do you feel
like it actually brought yourfamily together and it's
actually conjured good memoriesof family times?
The tattoo.
No neighbors.

Speaker 6 (01:15:51):
Oh, I mean, yeah, my sister and my mom and I
definitely Like you bonded overneighbors.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Yeah, like I mean, yeah, my sister and my mum and I
definitely.
Like you bonded over Nathan.
Yeah, like I mean that's rad.
I'm not laughing, I thinkthat's rad.

Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
But it's also not a super serious thing, like I'm
not ringing up my mum being likefuck, did you see what Harold
did?
Guys that fucking hate, Haroldfat shit.
Ian Smith.
He's an Australian icon, ohshit, I feel bad.
I'm sorry I shouldn't havecaught him, in fact, because I
think I haven't watched it muchlately, but I'm pretty sure he

(01:16:20):
just said goodbye to the entirecast on like a live episode.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
still going.
Yeah, like it left last yearfor a while and then they
brought it back.
Damn, yeah, it's been going fora long time, man, there's skate
footage.
I posted some skate footage onmy Instagram the other week of
Jason Donovan skating in RamseyStreet.
No shit yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
I went there once.
Listen, I'm not going to showmy age, but I'm going to show my
age Like I remember when KylieMinogue was on Neighbours Just
saying Like that's how old I am.

Speaker 5 (01:16:48):
Yes, yes, thai, thai, Of course.

Speaker 4 (01:16:52):
But I'm not that old, I don't feel that old.
But far out, jason Donovan, herides.

Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
Okay, so he rides.
He rides a Very flex voodoo too.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Is that had?

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
no, nose, no, nose that pink Round, really round
nose.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
Yeah, you know what a voodoo.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
I know what a very flex voodoo is, was it?

Speaker 6 (01:17:06):
round.

Speaker 4 (01:17:07):
Yeah, really round and real flat.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
Yeah, pink, bright pink.
He had the bright pink onelater on, but he jd, yeah, he in
the show he rides.
There's multiple episodes wherejason donovan's riding a voodoo
and I wonder if, like hardcore,hooked him up because the hill
brothers they would have forsure, were making them, so I
wonder if they're trying tosneak some products into
neighbors probably well, theyjust, they probably were.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
The production crew probably would have hit up the
skate distributor hardcore andthen, just if either of the if.

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
Well, not either.
If any of the hill brothers arelistening to this right now,
can you send me a voodoo, please, like if you've got one in the
factory somewhere, imagine that,that'd be sick.

Speaker 4 (01:17:46):
I'd love to see your collection stranger I don't
really, you still haven't shown,you haven't shown me the man
cave.

Speaker 6 (01:17:51):
You've got your gym.
I don't have a man cave youmust have like.

Speaker 4 (01:17:55):
No, I got your own personal library.
I've got a studio.

Speaker 6 (01:18:02):
My wife is a photographer and she had a
studio in our backyard, but herstudio is now massive because
she couldn't house all herthings in there.
She has like big backdrops andshe's like a food photographer.
It's not a soundproof studio.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It's not soundproof at all, butshe makes like big backdrops
and drops and she's like astylist and stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:18:23):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:18:24):
So yeah, the tiny little studio in her backyard
did not fit her purposes, andthen I got to move my stuff into
it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
You're a creative power couple.

Speaker 6 (01:18:33):
She is the power I'm part of the couple I don't know
if there's power.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Ah, jim, you're powerful, you are, you are, yeah
, thanks.
Anyway, what are we talkingabout?
Leon paxton, yeah, famous, lovethat kid.
He's doing great.
He's a great guy and, fun fact,I was his high school peer
teacher at lemire High,campbelltown area.

Speaker 6 (01:18:56):
Were you really?
Yeah, wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:59):
He wouldn't want to hang out with me.

Speaker 6 (01:19:01):
So you remember him from then?

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
Yeah, I remember him Because like they skated and I
skated and I tried to bro downwith them, but it was just a
case of I thought skating wasgoing to like make me cool with
the cool kids, and he was one ofthem.
So that's true in the realitywas you're just a teacher that's
telling us what to do.
Don't talk to us.

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
That's true southwest too, because I always run
southwest because I'm originallyfrom panini east hills area.
Yeah, first four years out ofuni, man, I was young.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
That's true southwest down there, yeah it's a trip,
him, and sean enox, who hasmoved to america and became
quite a famous YouTuber inCalifornia for skateboarding.
He's got thousands andthousands of followers.
He's big over there,interesting huh.
They're good on them, man,they're doing their thing and
fundamentally they're justreally kind souls who have their

(01:19:49):
heart in the right place, sofully stoked to advocate for
Leon and Sean.
Next, off the bat, chimaguson.
That was, you know, big episodebecause it was the first one
visual episode we did with theproduction studio.
Shout out to ty behind thescenes lining it up.
Um, yeah, it was cool, you know.

(01:20:09):
But I just want to say I amdisappointed that chima was the
first video production episodethat we did because there was
still a lot of creases to ironout.
I was really, we were reallylike you know, I scrambled to
get that together and make the,get the studio happening and all
that stuff and it all cametogether.
But I just wish that I'd maybegot a bit of practice in prior

(01:20:32):
to Chima, because for mepersonally, he's literally my
top five of favorite skaters ofall time.
There's something about himspeaks to me his style, his
grace, his finesse, his courageand also the fact he grew up in
Western Sydney, in an areacalled Villawood where my mom
grew up.
So I have this.
I just feel like I have Iidentify with the guy.
But anyway, that's my two cents, ty.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
Yeah, no, it was great to be part of that episode
and be a little instrumental ingetting it to happen.
You know just a little bit ofhistory, not like super deep,
like interpersonally with him oranything, but you know just
through the, through the jewishclothing days and stuff and and

(01:21:15):
sort of him coming up throughthat era and everything.
So yeah it was great to have himon and facilitate you having on
, you know, a lifelong sort ofhero idol in skating, and that
was great for sure, and just toget his stories out for sure,
because, in fairness, you know,didn't know a lot of depth about

(01:21:40):
him, so it was good to be partof all that and go through his
story.
Yeah, it was good and great tosee his journey and where he's
come.
You know, and ran into him theother week heading, heading to
Melbourne on the plane to godown to the, the globe comp and
bunch jam and everything.

(01:22:02):
He was heading down to do the,to the real stuff, a real tour
and everything.
And yeah, it was cool to runinto him and met, just ran into
him at the airport.
He was with Kyle Walker, had achat to him.
He was a really nice guy tooand, yeah, just good to share

(01:22:22):
that journey with him, you know.
Yeah, definitely yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
Sorry, that's the feedback from that whole real
tour.
I got from numerous people Allthe real team, mason, kyle,
chima, obviously Hayley thatthey just were so friendly and
nice.
I mean, I'm not surprised, butit's just a common comment that
I heard from everyone that hadcontact with him in some way how

(01:22:48):
just polite, courteous and justreally down to earth they were,
which is nice.

Speaker 5 (01:22:54):
Yeah, definitely.
I heard that from numerouspeople and it goes against the
old adage of don't meet yourheroes.
And they're all cool, because Imet a bunch of them at the
Airbnb.
Ben Ventress was graceful togive us a ride into the city
with Chima and Kyle and stoppedby the Airbnb with everyone and,
you know, met them all and yeaheveryone was super friendly.

(01:23:15):
I had a bit of a chat with afew of them and, yeah, it was a
good vibe for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
Good stuff.
Amy Massey was an interestingepisode.
Loved Amy, she's a personalitybut ultimately just she was
super down to earth, super funto hang out, just like a really
good vibe, and really lovedskateboarding and, yeah, I
thoroughly enjoyed the time wespent with her.
Then she co-hosted GeorgeRichard's episode and, yeah,

(01:23:45):
she's funny and just a character.
So, yeah, that was anotherhighlight.
And again, going back toproduction, I feel like when we
got to the Amy episode, we gotthe production even better and I
think visually her episodelooks amazing and she talks
about some of her skating and weget some of her skate clips up
and we also get some of herTikTok clips up and she talks us

(01:24:07):
through them.
And that's where I like herunique stories because, yeah,
she's got a massive following onsocial media, in that realm,
you know, and it would be veryeasy to just stereotype her as,
like, just a social media or aTikTok skater, but she really is
much, much more than that she'sa Skate Australia judge.

(01:24:30):
Is that correct?

Speaker 5 (01:24:31):
Not Skate Australia World Skate.

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
World Skate, and then that led to being a judge at
the Olympics as well.
So, yeah, she's got someinteresting stuff to talk about,
so go and listen to thatepisode.

Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
Yeah, and Amy, I've known Amy for, you know, years,
longer than before she becameproper social media famous and
she's always been a skatefrother, you know.
Yeah, she froths, and so it'sgreat to have seen her journey
play out the way it has and andthe success successes that she's
had as well and gone off.
Her got her own tangents goingand and that's the beauty that's

(01:25:05):
like with leon and everyone canyou can create, you can create
your own tangents and, um, she'sbeen, you know, definitely
masterful at that, along withmany others, but she's
definitely created her own thingand showed that you can do that
again, no matter if you're aguy or a girl or anything.
And, yeah, she's definitelyheld the flag up in that respect

(01:25:27):
.
That's great.

Speaker 6 (01:25:27):
For sure, and her energy.
I think the energy comes acrossin both the episode, her
episode, and then the episodewith George as well.
The skate ride energy.
You can't fake it kind of you.
Her episode and then theepisode with George as well, the
skate ride energy.
You can't fake it kind of.
You're either just pumped onskateboarding in the world that
kind of surrounds you and you'rekind of amongst it, or you're

(01:25:48):
not and you can't really pretendbecause it would just be boring
Exactly and I think that'spretty evident that she's
anybody that was doubting hercareer or anything like that,
because she was, you know,because exactly what we're
talking about before, with thosedifferent avenues and the way
that you get to, you know, orwhat is professional
skateboarding these days, Ithink anybody that doubted the
way that she'd made it, you knowwell, the divert, and again

(01:26:10):
like an example of just thediversity that exists now and
it's just great, like it's morebrings more to the plate, more
to the table yeah, it's good,definitely, and I

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
love her kickflip catch.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
She has a really nice kickflip catch is someone
cooking some kind of like beefstroganoff?

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
I can smell something like it, dude, there's someone
in this building who's just amad cook.

Speaker 6 (01:26:27):
I'm always getting rad smells yeah, you want me to
close the window.
It smells good.
I wasn't sure if it was likeannoying you, or yeah a beef
strogan, this, and I don't knowif that's what it is it's making
me jealous.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
Yeah, got some scares of that uh, moving on.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Yeah, I uh, chris yote.
Oh man, for me personally, Ilove the episode.
It might be like a personalfavorite.
You know chris is the owner ofamnesia skateboards started in
newcastle so I know it meant alot to some newcastle people.
But his influence beyondnewcastle is extended to all
around the country.

(01:27:00):
So what do you think, jim?

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
loved it.
I mean, I mean, I'm a fan ofchris's and I've, you know, I've
been a fan of everything thathe's done since I was a little
kid and you know, knowing himpersonally when I was a little
kid, probably hassling himpersonally when I was a little
kid, but, um, no, I reallyenjoyed the episode and I think,
um, yeah, you asked all thequestions that I would have
wanted to ask if I had him, hadhim trapped on a mic in front of
me as well just right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
Um had me in tears, that guy in that episode.
I was crying because, yeah, thestory about his brother passing
away from cancer and that was acatalyst for restarting amnesia
I.

Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
I remember his brother.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
Yeah, do you.

Speaker 6 (01:27:37):
Yeah, I remember his brother.
I remember meeting his brotherat admin actually.
Like he says in the thing, hewasn't as taken by skateboarding
as Chris was, but like he wouldcome out.
Yeah, I remember meeting him.
I can even remember like kindof the way he was dressed and
everything.
I remember thinking he was cool, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:27:57):
I remember sitting on the stairs at admin and having
a chat with him.
Yeah, he's a good guy.
Yeah, it was great for mehearing that episode too,
because I lived with Chris formonths years ago.
He was a flatmate of mine and,yeah, it was great to live with.
And obviously, yeah, throughthe whole amnesia thing again,
hearing his story and journeyand where he'd gone on, I mean I
didn't really know you knowanything much of him after that

(01:28:17):
time, you know.
So to hear all those storieswas great.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Yeah, for sure.
Cool.

Speaker 5 (01:28:22):
And he had great stories, the elevator stories,
and all of that like classicwhat a job.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
I didn't even know that was a job.

Speaker 5 (01:28:28):
Yeah, it's wild.

Speaker 4 (01:28:29):
Like when people get trapped in elevators and they
ring the button.
He's the guy that answers that.
How?

Speaker 5 (01:28:34):
cool, is that yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
So unique.
So, unique.
Anyway, I love that.
The uniqueness of that.
Austin McMahon, founder ofYoung Henrys, was the next
episode.
And man, again, that guy is aspecial human and I can see why
he's so successful.
When you're around him, like sosharp and so smart, it just

(01:28:57):
comes out of him.
But what I love about what he'sdoing is that he is trying to
nurture he really is trying tonurture culture.
He's put his money where hismouth is.
He sponsors and has kept somepeople he's kept their skate
careers going by sponsoring themthrough that company and his
whole focus is to be is tocreate live events, you know,

(01:29:19):
and I think that's reallyspecial.
But also the beer brewingprocess of making it
environmentally friendly andconverting the byproducts that
would be pollutants into likeoxygen and upcycling the
byproducts.

Speaker 6 (01:29:34):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
It was super interesting.
Yeah, so usually when you brewbeer, the byproduct is carbon
dioxide, but through workingwith Sydney University, they've
worked out a way to capture thecarbon dioxide I'm getting this
wrong, so listen to the episodeand upcycle it, and so then the
byproduct is oxygen, upcycle it,and so then the byproduct is

(01:30:00):
oxygen, but then they're usingthat byproduct, as that can be
used as, like, a cow feed orsomething.
Again, I'm sorry, I'm justlosing it.
It's kind of technical.
Go and listen to it for abetter description sounds
amazing.
That's really cool, that isinteresting, yeah, but that day
I remember we had some techproblems at the studio and the
guy just a busy man sat therefor an hour while we're getting
things sorted and just, yeah,just patient, kind, tolerant.

(01:30:23):
And again I can see why he's sosuccessful because he puts
people before profits and thatis really obvious.
You know, they've got a hugestaff of people who I think
virtually no one's left thecompany since they started and
things like that.
So it's pretty cool.
I think he's a good message forbudding entrepreneurs as well.

(01:30:44):
And obviously started as askateboarder in Newtown you know
, skating in Newtown and SteveTierney used to remember him and
skate with him and then went onto be a rock band lead singer,
Heard of the what are theycalled?
I'm having a mental break.
Hell City Glamours, oh yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:31:03):
Lead singer, lead singer of Hell City Glamours.
I knew that guy, moe, that wasin that band.
Yeah, yeah Cool.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
George Richards.
Another good episode.
Young dude just on top of hisgame right now.

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
Yeah, killing it Not related to Mark Richards.
I asked that question I knowYoung dude just on top of his
game, right now, eh yeah,killing it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
Not related to Mark Richards, though.
I asked that question.
I know that's why I said it.
I just feel like anyone withthe name Richards in Newcastle
must be related.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Maybe if you go a ways back, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
I even asked John Bogarts if him and Mark
Cossatini if they knew MarkRichards, and they said no.
I'm like, is Mark Richards likea mythical creature up here?

Speaker 6 (01:31:36):
No, I mean we could probably go down to Merriweather
Beach and just like spy on hishouse or something and you'd see
him.
I mean he's around.
I've seen him at Coles before.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Really yeah.
You know what I've seen interms of pro surfers.
I've seen Matt Hoy at Audi.
I was like, oh, that's Matt.
Hoy, if you know anything aboutsurfing.

Speaker 6 (01:31:58):
I mean, I know who he is, but I don't.
I wouldn't recognize him.
But mark richards used to like.
I mean richards.
Before there was a skate shopin newcastle, richards was the
skate shop I heard, I know andso mark richards would like grip
your board for you if you'relazy really and he advocated
he's a bar, beach ball.

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
No, he did?

Speaker 6 (01:32:11):
he definitely did.
Yeah, he was definitely he was.
I was at those meetings tryingto get it across the line with
Bogarts Were you there?

Speaker 4 (01:32:18):
Yeah, I used to go to those meetings.
I didn't realize there was somuch opposition by political
parties.

Speaker 6 (01:32:23):
Oh my God, there were people wearing shirts that said
Save Empire Park the samepeople whose kids are now like
skating that park.

Speaker 5 (01:32:31):
That's an age-old story now.

Speaker 6 (01:32:34):
And the people that local businesses didn't want it.
People didn't understand thesize of it either.
It takes up less space than atennis court or a basketball
court Guys that were in my yearat school, like when this and
this is a long time ago, I mean,the park was, what was it?
2008 or something?
2009,.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
One more going thing probably yeah, 9, 10, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:32:55):
Yeah, is when it finally opened.
But the pushback, like I mean,there were guys so I was in my
late 20s at the time and therewas guys that I'd gone to school
with that were saying theywanted the money to go towards
bat ball courts instead of thelike just young conservatives
and stuff that didn't want it.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
You know there's a bat ball court that's down there
.
That is so popular there's alineup to use that.

Speaker 6 (01:33:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:33:16):
And it's just a brick wall and a bit of concrete.

Speaker 6 (01:33:19):
Good on them.
I'm not taking away from thembut I just mean there's just
this thing that's anti.
I mean there were people talkingabout it was going to bring
intravenous drug users.
One of the last councilmeetings it was at City Hall and
I think John was there bogus, Iknow pat burgess was there, but
I remember um, an old man stoodup and and said that he was

(01:33:40):
concerned that people were goingto catch the train from sesnok
to bar beach to use intravenousdrugs in the bowl.
It's just like nonsense.
I mean there's no train linefrom sesnok to bar beach.
It doesn't exist like it's justmade up like why sesnok?
and also, like I just said, doyou know anyone that's ever used
intravenous drugs?
I do.
No one's catching a train foran hour after buying them to go
and use them you just use themwhere you get them Like it's not

(01:34:01):
you know what I mean You'retripping.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
That's a classic one that's been used at many skate
park inceptions.

Speaker 4 (01:34:10):
They're going to do drugs and they're going to be
layabouts and louts and thereare going to be layabouts and
louts, but again, is this wherethe Olympics has helped?
Probably yes.
Those mainstream weird, thosepeople who are just so removed
from it, from the culture isOlympics going to be the thing
that turns them and go?

(01:34:31):
Oh, maybe they're not going touse intravenous drugs in the
bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:34:35):
I'm sure it's high.
How's the experience with that?

Speaker 5 (01:34:37):
yeah, with I, I think so, and that's based on no
empirical evidence, but it can'tnot help the undercurrent,
subconscious, undercurrent ofthe lay person to be like it's.
It's an acceptable thing,basically.
So I won't be vocal against askate park because it's a

(01:35:01):
mainstream activity that anyonedoes yeah, and my friend's
grandkids now do it, and blah,blah, blah, or my grandkids now
do it, you know.
So I think it's definitelyhelped in just the general
social vernacular for people tojust be like oh yeah, like
whatevs?
As opposed to actually againstit.

Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
Vernacular is a rad word, by the way.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
It is.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
Thanks for using it.

Speaker 6 (01:35:29):
I work in a library and I can definitely say that
when SLAM comes in to go, youknow we keep SLAM in our
collection and when I'm talkingto people I work with and they
find out that I write for slam,they'll be like oh, the first
thing they'll ask is like oh,did you get to write about the
Olympics or somethingInteresting?
You know that's that's thefirst place, cause that could be

(01:35:49):
the biggest in their mind.
That would be the not everybodyI don't mean everybody says
that, but I've been asked morethan once.
Yeah, and that would be likethe ultimate goal to them.

Speaker 5 (01:35:58):
Like because that would be the pinnacle of sport.

Speaker 6 (01:35:59):
Yeah, so that that's their way.
And then they're not beingnarrow-minded when they say that
, they're just being.
They're trying to find a commonground with me it's a catalyst
magazine.
I watch skateboarding, theolympics that's my common ground
with this person to talk aboutand I mean so, yeah, definitely,
yeah, you definitely.
Yeah, you're right, it's thiscatalyst and it well, no, I mean
, marley Ray tried out for theOlympics, but he wasn't in the

(01:36:23):
Olympics.

Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
He was on the B, he started to and then he just sort
of went.

Speaker 6 (01:36:26):
Ah, you know what, I'm not feeling it he
interviewed Jed a couple ofyears back and Jed wasn't in the
Olympics.
No, he wasn't.
No.
So I don't think I'veinterviewed anybody that was in
the Olympics?
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Kieran Woolley.

Speaker 6 (01:36:38):
No, no, I didn't interview Kieran.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
Slim have done numerous articles on Kieran.

Speaker 6 (01:36:42):
Haven't they yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think in an article on theissue that's coming out.

Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
I mention Arisa True in a comparison but I don't
think I've ever trying toconnect with me after the
Olympics and it was reallyinteresting because they were
like, hey, shannon, I watchedthe skateboarding in the
Olympics and every time it wasfollowed with, but it was just
shit.
They just kept falling off, youknow, and I'm like I mean I

(01:37:09):
watched it and especially likeone of them goes, oh, the men's
street.
That was just shit, they justfell off every time.
I'm like that skateboarding wasmind-blowing.
Those guys barely fell off.
You know I'm like, and then itwas just like okay, well, here's
the next thing trying toexplain to people that they fall
off.
It's so hard.
You know what I mean?
Like it's not gymnastics.

(01:37:30):
Where they're falling is Idon't know.

Speaker 6 (01:37:37):
It's not equestrian where you're in a special outfit
, like trotting around on ahorse and going over a couple of
logs.
Help me Give me a response tothem.
What would you say?
I mean, there's so manycontributing factors and
variables in skateboarding ingeneral, let alone when you're,
like, under pressure of acompetition.
I mean, it's not just your bodydoing it.
There's this thing that almosthas a well, it's an inanimate

(01:38:00):
object, or it's animated whenyou make it, but that's, you
know, kind of attached to you.
It's not like you know what Imean.
There's so many variables.
I mean, ty, you've been in lotsof skateboarding competitions
and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:13):
What would you say there's definitely elements of
that.
I mean, in a sense, to playdevil's advocate was something
you just said about theequestrian.
You actually are trying tocontrol another animal and
that's actually quite amazing todo that and for them to do the
showjumping.
So yeah, there's that.

Speaker 4 (01:38:31):
But maybe in the early days of the equestrian
they were falling off, so maybeyeah maybe yeah, that's true,
but maybe in the early days ofthe equestrian, they were
falling off.
So maybe, yeah, maybe, yeah,that's true, maybe in when?
How?

Speaker 5 (01:38:39):
long has equestrian been in the Olympics?
50 years?
I have no idea.
No, I don't even know.

Speaker 6 (01:38:41):
Same thing.
I think you're asking the wrongpeople.
Okay, jamie.

Speaker 5 (01:38:46):
But it's skating.
I guess there is superintricacies with skating.
There's flips, rails, ledges,gaps, there's all these
different little nuances and Iguess that adds to the whole
thing.
Maybe if you literally just hadone obstacle being used, you
might see more makes being done.
But there's so much sort ofgoing on, particularly obviously

(01:39:08):
in the run section, so you'vegot that's a whole.
Yeah.
I mean it could be broken downin lots of ways.
One thing I did sort of thinkwhich they could have perhaps
maybe garnered more positivityand ongoing interest was they
maybe should have had the parkfirst instead of the street so

(01:39:33):
people could have watched thepark, because, generally
speaking, people are making runsmore and it's not just a, and
because in the street you'vealso just got the single trick
thing and there's a lot of bails.
In that, obviously people aretrying specifically very
difficult technical stuff, butin the park it's about runs and
a lot of people were makingstuff.
So if you've had that, got abit of the wow factor, you've

(01:39:55):
got the speed you know, highflying and all of that, and so
if people have watched thatfirst, they might have well at
least been a bit more, a bitwowed by it and by the high
flying speed element and as well, generally speaking, more stuff
being made.
So they could have appreciatedthat side of it and then it

(01:40:17):
might have given them a bit moreunderstanding to then go and
watch the street and be like, ohwell, we know that
skateboarding is good and gotthat part of it, and then the
street just shows this otherwhole aspect of it.

Speaker 6 (01:40:34):
That's a really good observation actually.
Yeah, it reminds me.
Do you remember that old vertskaters joke, the one that was
like how many street skatersdoes it take to change a light
bulb?
No, Just one.
But it'll take him, 60 goes.
Did you like that joke back inthe day?

Speaker 5 (01:40:50):
No, just one, but it'll take him 60 goes.
Yeah, did you like that joke?
It's great stuff, definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
But I get, you're not a bird skater, though You're a
street skater.
Whatever, he's a skateboarder.
He started as a street skater.
Maybe he's a skateboarder.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
I love Slalom and Luge as well, do you really?
It's not something I've everdone?
I did do Slalom once.

Speaker 6 (01:41:12):
We need more watercrops.
Yeah, I'd like to go.
Gravel Burns used to do Slalom.
I'd like to go and do it.
Sorry, Tom.

Speaker 5 (01:41:19):
I get now, though, why skateboarding wasn't
introduced to the Olympics a lotearlier?
Because it really wasn't at thestage where people were making
enough.
I mean, you know, video grabsin magazines in the 90s really
spelled that out for technicalskating, definitely.
You know so, even though it hadthat it is a demonstration

(01:41:42):
sport model in the 96 AtlantaOlympics, with the X ramp kind
of thing, and they were like, oh, this is what it could be,
which, in reality, is probablymore sort of a setup that they
could use and that sort ofmorphed into the park stuff.
Realistically, you know, butyou, particularly in hindsight,

(01:42:02):
2020 vision you get to see thatyour street skating was not up
to the par.
Yeah to now.
I mean, they like that's it.
They are falling a lot now, butthey're trying really hard
tricks, but they're also makinga lot of really hard tricks you
know now as well, there's a lotgoing down.

Speaker 6 (01:42:20):
When, realistically, someone just Smith grinding or
lip sliding one of those railsthat's like one of the big rails
that's in the street section.
they do that every go and duringthe time period Ty's talking
about that wasn't a reality for99.9 percent of you know
professional street skaters youknow what I mean like there's
things that are in, say jamiethomas's part and welcome to
hell, or you can go back acouple years before that and pat

(01:42:41):
duffy's part in questionablewhere what were considered big
rails and obviously some ofthose are still really big and
gnarly, but those those guys andgirls that are at the Olympics
would just like do some of thosemore simple.
When I say simple, I mean justlike the straightforward tricks
out of flip in or flip out.
But Smith grinding and loopsliding big rails like that
would just be nothing to them asfar as the athleticism goes now

(01:43:04):
.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
Like they just do that warming up?

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
Yeah, I know it's almost depressing how easy they
make that stuff, but I'm lovingthe diversity in skate events
nowadays.
So, like Olympics is just oneaspect of the diversity.
You know, I love all theseother, like all the jam stuff
that's occurring.
You know, like there isobviously in Australia we have

(01:43:25):
the Belco Bowl Jam and then wealso overseas, I mean recently.
Is it the independent Hell Ridething where they do that
hillbomb in the ditch?
Yeah, yeah, I mean, is it theindependent Hellride?

Speaker 5 (01:43:30):
thing where they do that hillbomb in the ditch yeah,
is that one in Finland?

Speaker 4 (01:43:32):
is it Another jam style thing where they go down
some hill in the park?
What's that one called Helsinki?

Speaker 6 (01:43:39):
It's in Helsinki.
Oh yeah, and that was quiterecent, right, and it showed all
the crashes, yeah, helsinki.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
Hellride.

Speaker 5 (01:43:43):
Helsinki.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Hellride and then part of that they set up like a
ledge across a little riverthing and it's cool.
And then recently Ty, I knowyou went down to this was the
Bunt Jam down in Melbourne,which is something that's been
happening in America for a while, where they have a
three-on-three basketball compand then also the jam format
with the barn and they had likea high-oil comp over there, yeah

(01:44:05):
, the AFL post set up.
I just think that stuff I meanfor me.
I just love how there's allthat stuff happening more and
more.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
And in like, particularly before I even went
down, someone was like, oh, theBunt Jam guys will probably have
like an AFL bar set up for thesort of Oli thing.
And I was like, oh yeah,probably.
And then that's what they had.
Did they have inside knowledge?
I don't know.
But I was like I mean, it sortof makes sense, but that was
kind of cool to just integrateother, you know active sports

(01:44:37):
lifestyles into that, you knowcultural stuff for Melbourne,
particularly so it was superappropriate and they
incorporated that in there, andthen basketball as well.
So it's like it's kind of likeskateboarding and all these
different ways that people areprofessional skateboarders, you
know.

(01:44:57):
There's just all thesedifferent avenues and
skateboarders are interested inlots of different things as well
.
Yeah, absolutely, and it justopens up that whole world and it
was really busy.
The three-on-three basketballday one.
That was reasonably busy andthere were definitely people
there for it.
But the actual Buncham itself,like my goodness, it was super
busy, like with the barn thingand the AFL post and then that

(01:45:21):
hardcore band Speed, and a lotof people said that that was a
lot of the crowd because it wasthe first time they'd played in
Melbourne for ages and it was afree gig kind of thing.
But it was super busy and itwas just a good, I guess,
cultural experience and goodtime.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:45:36):
Did you watch the basketball?

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
I did watch the basketball, most of it.
Didn't watch all of it, but itwas just entertaining.
It was.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
It was funny To see people who aren't touting
themselves as pro basketballerscompeting.
That would have been fun to seethe amateur sort of approach to
it, but then there'd be someskaters that are really good at
basketball.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
Yeah, yeah, there were for sure.
There was some good shots.
And to see Gary Rogers get theout-of-bounds like shot for I
don't know a grand or a coupleof grand or something, people
were trying it for a while andGary just was like boom, this is
Gary from Skateline and it wasa big shot and I was like wow,
that was pretty impressive andhe got it like super quick and

(01:46:17):
I'm like we can't give it to youstraight away, but no one else
could really get it.
He nailed it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:21):
It was like a halfway shot.

Speaker 5 (01:46:29):
Yeah, half court shot , like a pretty much a half
court shot.
Yeah, I think that crew and itwas just a fun thing to see.
Everyone just loved it.

Speaker 6 (01:46:36):
It looked like it was really fun.
Like you know, sometimes thosethings don't translate that well
over social media and you justsee the crowd, but it looked
like everybody was genuinelylike just going off and enjoying
themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
Like it looked like everybody was really getting
behind everybody as well, whichis always awesome to see hell
yeah, yeah, I think many yearsago it would have been harder to
pull that off, but now it runsagain.
Because of so much stimulus outthere, people are a lot more
accepting of just kind ofwhatever these days, and so it
was.

Speaker 6 (01:47:07):
It was a cool thing I had in yeah, I know I going to
say remember if you'reinterested in anything physical
outside of skateboarding.
When you were a skateboarderfor a long time, particularly in
the 90s, it was like you were ajock.
Yeah, totally right I canremember, like one of my friends
, like caught me doing push-upsand was just like roasting me.
I was like man, I just want totry and stay fit.
Like you know, I'm not asnaturally athletic as everybody

(01:47:31):
else.
Like I'm just trying to stayfit and it was just like kind of
getting roasted for itInteresting?

Speaker 4 (01:47:36):
Yeah, I get it.
That's a weird thing.

Speaker 6 (01:47:38):
But now that's just normal Like now that's totally
normal.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
It's totally part of the culture.

Speaker 6 (01:47:42):
You know is to look after yourself to stretch.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:45):
Like Philippe Gustavo posts his gym workouts and
stuff like that.
Have you seen that?

Speaker 6 (01:47:51):
No, no, no, but I can imagine.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
Again, I can imagine a pro skater posting their gym
workouts back then.

Speaker 6 (01:47:58):
Well, it's kind of like what we were talking about
before.
I can remember seeing Dustin inSurrey Hills walking along with
a bottle of water and a bananacoming out of, like he was doing
.
I'm not saying he was doingupper body stuff.
He'd been on an exercise bike,probably rehabbing his knee and
just like you know, I don't knowhim or anything, but just
seeing him like walking and thatat the time particularly the
kind of I suppose the how he wasmarketed would have gone

(01:48:21):
against everything that you knowpeople would have believed
about him.
But also, don't you want thatperson to continue skateboarding
for as long?
If you were a huge Dustin fan,wouldn't you prefer that he went
and rode an exercise bike for acouple of hours every day, got
his knee fixed after the surgeryand then could skate again?
Of?

Speaker 4 (01:48:35):
course you would, but that water bottle had vodka in
it and that place he walked outof was a gym-themed nightclub
and the banana was like had beensoaked in.
No.

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
I think he was probably just it looked like he
just looked like a normal dude.
That was he didn't have a veryappropriate gym.
He had like cut-off tight blackjeans as shorts.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
But that guy paid to play.
I mean, he skated so hard andthe poor guy literally broke his
body for skateboarding, justlike Arto Sari we were talking
about earlier.
Vice have just put out a newdocumentary called Let it Kill
you, which is very much in thesame theme as the epically laded
type five, and I think PatrickO'Dell is actually interviewed
in it.
He's not hosting it or anything, but yeah, again like I'm sorry

(01:49:22):
, just like seven ACLreconstructions or something.
And then the doctor said likeyou're literally done, I can't
fix it anymore.
So just like you're literallydone I can't fix it anymore.
So just again like this, is howmuch people love skateboarding,
like you know.
You can never doubt how muchDustin loves skateboarding,
really, you know, and same withAto, and that just inspires me,

(01:49:45):
like people just go all in ontheir love and their passion to
really any cost.
You know.
So it's pretty cool.

Speaker 6 (01:49:51):
Well, todd, I can ask you so, say during the juice
period and stuff like that, whenthat period where I suppose
Australian Skateboard it wasreally like levelling up, I
suppose in the streets, who werethe people that you were seeing
, especially when you weremaking those videos and stuff,
putting their body on the linelike the most, like early?
As far as going that extralittle bit as the physical side

(01:50:15):
of it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
I can't wait to hear this.

Speaker 5 (01:50:18):
You mean like training stuff?
No, no, no, or actual skating.

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
Actually, yeah, actual skating, as far as, like,
the potential to get hurt nowhas gone, has taken the notches,
like taken another notch.

Speaker 5 (01:50:29):
So Devo was definitely there.
He did some pretty big gapstuff.

Speaker 6 (01:50:33):
I mean, he was the first to the rocks rail you know
which is pretty death gap, oneof my favorite photos ever so
good, yeah, really good one, um,and the museum gap was a huge
one as well.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
Yeah, death run out on that amazing um phil mackie
not that I saw him doing muchstuff, but he was.
He was really pushing theboundaries.

Speaker 6 (01:50:51):
First to kickflip into the pit.
Is that true?
I thought it was Shane Wallace.

Speaker 5 (01:50:54):
Phil, I don't know, shane.

Speaker 4 (01:50:55):
Wallace pop shoved it into it first.
Yeah, no, I think I don't know.
Was it Phil Mackie, I think?

Speaker 6 (01:50:59):
Phil Mackie, maybe because I know he did it the day
that, like Durdek and Santos,were there.
That.
I think he kicked it into itbefore Dode.

Speaker 5 (01:51:09):
Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me, because I know, I
think he kick-flipped thispretty big gap out north shore
or northwest somewhere in thehills Kick-flip that Chatswood
10 pretty early as well.
Yeah yeah, so him and Alex Smithwas pushing some stuff and then
he had the trade flip coverinto the pit on slam, there you

(01:51:33):
go, great stuff.
So Alex was doing some prettyhectic stuff.
Who else I mean Sid was tryinglike years before that.
That's how he broke himselfdoing a pretty big gap.
You know, before that stuff wasreally being prominent in
really early 90s, maybe evenlate 80s, when he did that or

(01:51:55):
something.
You know, right, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:51:56):
Like Frankie Hill style kind of.

Speaker 5 (01:51:58):
Yeah, kind of yeah yeah, probably inspired by that.
Yeah, skunk would have beendoing some hectic stuff a little
bit later, but not too much.
Like Chris Holland was doingsome big stuff, like he did that
.
The north sydney 16 backside 50and again, to my understanding

(01:52:19):
that was the biggest rail donein australia at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:52:21):
That blew my mind as well to this day.
When I seen that footage I justwas like that's amazing.
And so just like who I wouldjust never expect from him.
I was like who's?
That surfer?
You know, that was my initialimpression.
Who's that surfer doing that?

Speaker 6 (01:52:35):
And it's still big for now kind of, and that rail
is hectic, like proper hectic.
And what about on vert?

Speaker 5 (01:52:43):
Well, Chris was amazing at vert.
That was my first inception.
Like watching him at multipleramps.
He was amazing, he was reallystepping it up.
But Luxford, Adam Luxford, wasbig on the scene, big big airs.
Mulhall as well yeah, all sorts.

Speaker 6 (01:53:03):
They were both going really high, though, yeah they
were both going really big.

Speaker 5 (01:53:06):
Chris was going really big as well.
Chris Holland was going reallybig at the time.
Chris was going really big aswell.
Chris Holland was going reallybig at the time.

Speaker 4 (01:53:16):
He was definitely inspired by Hosoi and Magnusson
and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:53:18):
Spin.
Jake Brown.
Yeah, then, sort of followingon from that, yeah, it would
have been Spin.
Yeah, dave Bodnar, jake Brown,like, definitely those guys.
Looking back at my old, myfirst video that I made
skateboard hit or whatever,looking back at the jake footage
in that, like I didn't think,like you know, jason ellis had a

(01:53:39):
bigger name at the time.
Ultimately mulhall had a biggername at the time, but watching
jake's footage was just againwas like wow, he was probably
still had the best vert footagein that video.
You know just style and tricksand everything.
It's just amazing.
You know how well he hedeveloped through all that time.
Um, and then you know, prettymuch at that same time Tass and

(01:54:03):
Ben were coming through.
They were doing all you know,nollie, flip tricks on vert,
vert, as well as Tuss going bigbackside, revert stuff.
And Ellis, of course he waspushing in his own way, not
quite as didn't quite have thefinesse that the other guys did,
but still was throwing downstuff as well.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
Were there people coming to say Mona Bale and
stuff during that dead periodwhere there weren't a lot of
vert ramps around.
Were like, uh, would like say,if they were in new south wales,
would you see a lot of themelbourne heads come up like,
would they skate places likemonobail and stuff as well?

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
um yeah, it was mona and fairfield I guess.
Um, mona would have had thesteel surface but you didn't.
It was hard to always likealign sessions.
You know we're only going oncea week or whatever, maybe a
couple of times, but yeah, andthen it.
Yeah, probably Mona would havebeen the main spot and I'm sure

(01:55:03):
everyone was sort of travellingaround a bit like pretty much.
But I think Tuss, ben and Jasonwere pretty much mostly in the
States.
By that stage, by that stagelike doing that for sure.

Speaker 7 (01:55:19):
Sorry to get you sidetracked there.
No, it's great Just having Tycaptive here.

Speaker 4 (01:55:22):
I love it I love it and like we haven't, you know
great, having talked, we didn'ttap into that when we did our
episode.

Speaker 6 (01:55:27):
I want to ask him about a loom.
A loom, it was like an offshootof Juice.

Speaker 5 (01:55:33):
Yeah, it was just to.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
Was it like the athletic division?
No, no, no.
Juice was more the athleticdivision.

Speaker 5 (01:55:39):
Juice and Matic was sort of that athletic sort of DC
.

Speaker 7 (01:55:44):
More I wouldn't even say jockey side Bit of mesh, Bit
of mesh that whole thing.

Speaker 5 (01:55:52):
But a loom was meant to be the more fine-tuned, nicer
sort of stuff and that wasbasically for davo to have his
own brand, because he had done xamount for juice and then juice
was growing and to create amore niche thing for davo.

Speaker 6 (01:56:01):
I mean I love them both running I don't really run
in juice pants for a long timein high school.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
Oh yeah, the cargoes, or the more the sporty ones I
had cargo pants.

Speaker 6 (01:56:12):
But I had these sporty ones that were like dark
green and they had a cargopocket on one side and then half
of it was like this plasticmesh and they had like a
drawstring like that.
I never did up, but they didhave drawstrings around the
bottom of the pants.

Speaker 4 (01:56:26):
Man, I did probably some of the best skating in my
life in those pants, that'sright, because you're just that
age, you know, like you're youngand it's funny because, like
there's nothing worse than apair of pants, that when you go
to jump they grip on your thighs, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:56:40):
No, these did not do that.
They don't flex.
These were like the best.

Speaker 4 (01:56:44):
They moved you there Because I was watching Elijah
Burr His part just came out forvans, you know everyone's
putting their sody parts out atthe moment.
Yeah, it's insane.
And also they bought the musicrights from metallica's seek and
destroy, by the way, for this,which was sick.
But he did a thrasher like mywar type thing on this 50 50
rail.

Speaker 6 (01:57:02):
He did in sf in china town right did you see it?

Speaker 5 (01:57:05):
and he had a pair of pants, but he couldn't, he
couldn't like, extend his thighsup enough yeah change pants
with the filmer so to all youclothing manufacturers for
skateboarders, don't be thatbrand well, juice was like one
of the first brands, australianbrands, to do baggy clothing
like we do all the get into theskate fashion as such at the

(01:57:28):
time and really push that here.
So, yeah, they were prettyconscious of all of that stuff,
I guess.
I mean, it was also sort of,you know, not to whatever, but
fly by the seat of their pants.
They were just like doing allthis stuff, you know, and some
of it worked sort of, some of itdidn't.

Speaker 6 (01:57:44):
I feel like it was pretty progressive as far as
that goes, like there werethings that it was kind of, I
suppose it was like on par withsomething like Alphanumeric in
the States as far as the kind ofgear that they were making, but
it was like here yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:57:56):
Which is pretty well.
That was a sick brand,alphanumeric, yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:57:59):
But Juice had the team.

Speaker 5 (01:58:01):
yeah, yeah that is right, I'm a.

Speaker 6 (01:58:02):
Devo fan.
So that's you know.
I was like always.

Speaker 5 (01:58:13):
It's of my favorite skaters, so the juice was well.
The alum thing was good too,like sid tapie was on alum, yeah
, as well.
Kyle musky, who was incredible,like for sure.
Another one injuries took himout early, you know,
unfortunately, um, I think yoshiwas on there yeah yeah because
he had that, he had that or two.
Yeah, yeah, yeah so that was youknow, that was, that was the
new gen being led by kind ofDavo you know what I mean, and

(01:58:36):
he was a bit of the figurehead,been around for a while and then
him and sort of Sid at the topand then the younger crew coming
through with that, so that wascreating a differentiation in
the company.
You know what I mean to bringsome breathe, some new life into
the whole thing and add a newvibe into the scene as well,

(01:58:56):
because it was really nice stuff, you know.

Speaker 6 (01:58:59):
Yeah, and the ads were all really clean and like
yeah, I can really picture themright now.

Speaker 5 (01:59:03):
Did that just end when he moved to Japan or oh, I
think it just sort of ended,because that's just when it all
started ending basically, street, quote-unquote street fashion
came in like 55 diesel, all thatsort of stuff, and it just kind
of came and took over the skatefashion.
For a while, you know, skateshoes kind of ended, white sole

(01:59:25):
shoes kind of ended at thatstage for a few years, you know,
and that's just.
And the markets killed, it Justran its course, that whole
story yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
It's funny.
If you go to Indonesia now Baliyou'll see juice jumpers.

Speaker 5 (01:59:37):
Oh, I've had that discussion, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
And like it's funny, you'll see, like old Balinese
grandmothers like selling petrolor whatever and they've got a
juice shirt on and stuff.
It's such a joy.

Speaker 6 (01:59:45):
Wait, is a new old stock or is it like?

Speaker 5 (01:59:47):
No no, no, no, he licensed it over there.
You can look on Insta.
They've got an Insta page forJuice Clothing and it's in Indo
and some of it's prettyentertaining looking at that
page.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
I have to say yeah, because it's not bootleg right.

Speaker 5 (01:59:59):
No, it's not bootleg, no but they make it all
originally over there and when Iwent over there several years
ago I bought a few.
They had a great shirt actuallyT-shirt print which was like a
round screen print of Belko Bowlwith the J logo over the top.
I was like that is just classic.
I've got that at home.
Still I just can't bring myselfto throw it out.

(02:00:20):
I was like that is just amazing, I can't believe it.

Speaker 4 (02:00:25):
I'd love to speak to the graphic designer who put
that together.

Speaker 6 (02:00:28):
I don't know, have you seen?
Because I have?
Have you ever come?
It's funny.
And I've seen other retro likewell, they're not retro brands,
but on retro kind of likereseller, like websites, like
when people are selling vintagethings in like on Depop or
Instagram and stuff.
I've seen juice things beforeand it makes me feel old because
like Like OG, yeah, OG stuff.

(02:00:49):
And you're like what?
Why is that?
That's not vintage and you'relike yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (02:00:54):
Yeah, it is, it is vintage.

Speaker 6 (02:00:55):
But it just makes you feel old when the things that
you think are like, you're likeyeah it is 1995, that was 30
years ago.

Speaker 5 (02:01:05):
You know like yeah, great.

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
Good times.
Yeah, let's get so.
We'll sort of move through abit quicker.
Simon Boglow, lead designer ofConvict Skateparks, episode 237.
I love that episode.
I love Simon.
He flew up from Melbourne,convict flew him up for the
episode.
The production's great and weget all the good skateparks
around Sydney.
We get the visuals and the manbehind them all and it just

(02:01:26):
breaks it down and the processthat goes into creating these
masterpieces that we get toenjoy now.
There's so much to it, so lotsof education in that episode, I
think.
And also thanks to Convictbecause they're sponsoring the
next episode I'm recording onSaturday with the pro skater for
Santa Cruz, rob Pace.
So have a look out for that one.

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It's a very interestingbackstory to the Rob Pace
episode.
Have a look out for that one.
It's a very interestingbackstory to the Rob Pace
episode and all I'm going to sayis that I'm a huge fan of Rob
Pace and Brendan Gardol, whohe's the filmer for Rob for most
of his recent video parts andeven the start of Rob's career.
We had already recorded anepisode for video production and

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we lost the episode.
The production team had a harddrive crash and it got lost and,
to Brendan and Rob's credit.
They are just the best dudesever.
They just didn't complain,sucked it up.
Yep, no worries, shannon, we'lldo it again.
So shout out to those boys.
Epic.
Like I said, we're recordingthis episode before that

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recording, so you know you'll belistening to this after we've
already I'll put that episodeout there.
But we watch all the videos ofrob's gnarliest handrails, uh,
and all these some of his bestskate tricks and from his best
video parts.
And just to hear him talk aboutsome of the gnarly rails he did
, like the the three gap rail hedid in America, did you see the

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Thrash of my War?
And that big gnarly Smithgrinder around that long bend
rail which literally would belike I don't know 50 metres long
?
I don't know how long thatthing is, jim, did you see?

Speaker 6 (02:03:04):
it.
Yeah, I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (02:03:04):
Yeah, I don't know if that's a bad estimate, but the
guy's insane.
I think he may be one of thebest handrail skaters Australia
has ever produced.

Speaker 6 (02:03:12):
Yeah, I think that's all For sure.
Possibly I mean he's up therewith the world has ever produced
as far as like the length andheight and stuff, like I mean he
definitely he's a rail chomperfor sure.
I wonder, though, sorry that Ikeep sidetracking everybody.

Speaker 7 (02:03:27):
You guys probably want to go to sleep, or
something no, if you're skating,say that 50 meter rail, for
example.

Speaker 6 (02:03:33):
I know it's not 50 meters, but it's something it's
probably close right say 20attempts.
Even if he does it, say if hehas five, goes as it until he
does it.
That's like the equivalent oflike the punishment my trucks
would take in like a year in onesession.
Is he grinding to like the axle, like I know they're round bars

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and they're smooth and stuff.
It's not like skating like aledger code.
Yeah, but surely he's grindingLike his grooves in his trucks
would be insane Like have you,Smith, grown a feeble grind
something and you're that lockedin, as that long he's on a
metal rail though.

Speaker 4 (02:04:11):
He's so locked in and he's going fast, fast.
Did it heat up?
Yeah, that's a good point.
Like we should, I'll ask him.
Ask him, yeah, good question.
Any other questions for himI'll get prepared.
But I think the thing thatsticks out with me like he's
fairly young, he's really on thetop of his game, just turned
pro for santa cruz, but I it'svery like he's just got his head
screwed on.
Like he's so focused and driven.
Like the day we recorded the,the lost podcast, he got up at 6
am in the Central Coast, droveto Sydney, was in King's Cross

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by 8 am or 8.30, spent two hoursfixing a spot with his filmer,
brendan, and then an hour tryingthe spot because he's filming a
part for Volcom at the moment.
Did that, you know, probablybroke himself a few times
because it's gnarly I've seenthe footage and then came to the
podcast and did it and thendrove back to the Central Coast.
Like his work ethic is likeunparalleled and there's a

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reason he's successful in whathe's doing at the moment.
He's obviously got he's one ofthose guys who has that,
obviously has that rare talentthat we see over the years, but
I don't know like it's alsocoupled with an insane work
ethic and fearless, justfearless, like his thrasher
cover.
Did you see that?
Yeah, like 50-50 down a railand then it drops to a really

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steep rail and then he dropsinto backside, smith down it.
It's pretty ballsy, I know.

Speaker 5 (02:05:29):
Definitely.

Speaker 4 (02:05:29):
So Simon Bogglo excellent episode.
Next one, Adrian Errol Jones.
Now, this one has meant a lotto a lot of people and the love
that came out of it Shout out toTy.
Carling made the connectionlined up, Adrian for that one,
and I feel like we did somethingspecial there.
What do you reckon, Ty?

Speaker 5 (02:05:50):
Oh, 100%.
I was hoping you'd obviouslybring that episode up.
That was.
You know, there was a bit ofhesitation on AJ's part before
it because he had some otherencounters with people wanting
to do things with him which hewasn't that stoked on.
But Johnny Gray definitelyshout-outs to Johnny Gray there,

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because once Johnny had donehis episode I was like can't
Johnny always get AJ on?
He's like, mate, no, he's on.
And he said yeah, I called himand give it to him.
I told him, mate, he's got todo it.
And then he changed his tuneand he came on graciously.
It took a while to get that onelined up time-wise but it

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happened and it was really coolto do that and get AJ's story
and, like I said, you know oneof the first pro boards that I
saw of an Australian as a kidnot knowing who he was, and then
getting to skate with him overthe years and know him and then
hear his actual stories, becauseyou don't really talk to people
much about their history whenyou're skating or whatever you
know.
So to hear all those storiesfrom him and get that engagement

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was really cool.
It was an honour, for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:07:01):
You know and to be given the Jay Adams Award by
Z-Town.

Speaker 5 (02:07:07):
By Pat Noho.
Pat Noho.

Speaker 4 (02:07:10):
I mean, when he brought that deck out and
explained the situation to us,it just made me so proud of
Australian skateboarding and howdeep the history is now and I
think what I've learnt this yearafter having some people like
Johnny Gray and Adrian, but evenin the past like Mick Mulhall
as well, you know, we need toknow where we've been, to help

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us guide where we're going as aculture as well, and I didn't
realize how many people arereally crying out to hear the
stories of these guys.
You know, and for me, like Iknow, you were close to John
Finlay.
I had my experiences with JohnFinlay and I knew him and I
remember he actually put me upon his lounge once with him and
Wayne Taylor.
When I broke up with agirlfriend and I slept on that
lounge in Bondi, john Finlay wasthe first to go hey, just come

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and stay in our lounge.
I had nowhere to live at thetime and to hear what's emerged
is more stories about Finn aswell, because there hasn't been
a lot of public talk about it,about his life and how
influential he was, like it justfeels really special and quite
honouring to his legacy.

Speaker 5 (02:08:15):
For sure, for sure, and I think it's just on that
sort of history kind of side ofthings and it's what I've told
myself and I sort of forgetphilosophical with people
recently.
It's like without, if we didn'tactually have memory and know
history, we wouldn't be in anyplace where we are, not just in
skateboarding, like withanything.

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If we didn't have a memory, wewouldn't have technology, we
wouldn't know anything.
So we need memory.
Therefore, basically, we needhistory to learn what didn't
work yesterday for that car?
Well, that didn't.
So we learn from our trial anderror, you know.
So we need history to learnfrom.

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And that wasn't such aprominent thought in my head,
you know, years ago, in my 20sor whenever it didn't really, oh
yeah, stuff happened and herewe are, you know, but it's a
really pertinent thing.
And so I think having thesehistorical, you know, but it's a
really pertinent thing, and soI think having these historical,
you know, stories and stuff isan important part, not just for

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skate culture but for, you know,human culture.

Speaker 6 (02:09:20):
Yes, definitely, definitely.
And you get these detractors.
You know, you get the.
I love that.
You just said that, because youget these detractors that say
things like well, if they didn'tdo it, somebody else would have
, but they didn't.
And that's the key bit is thatthey didn't.
Somebody else took theinitiative and did it first and
made the mistakes first.
So, exactly what Ty said theymade those mistakes so that we

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can learn from them, and we knowthat they learned from them,
because we've recorded ourhistory, whether it's orally,
whether it's written down,whether it's now through video,
all these things.
But people will still detract.

Speaker 4 (02:09:50):
But also sorry to jump in, but I also think young
crew have a story to tell aswell, and we can't forget that.
Oh, of course, you know, butwhat I'm finding is young crew
feel like that they need togenerate more of a story, but
they still can tell us wherethey're at and where they got to
now.
Oh, of course, if you're 25years old, you've still got 25

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years of life experiences thatare going to be important to a
10-year-old to hear, or a15-year-old to hear.
So, yeah, I just wanted to addthat.

Speaker 5 (02:10:20):
Yeah, and it was just a funny little anecdote from
today, doing coaching sessionwith Taj and Harvey and Eddie.
So Taj and Harvey and Eddie, Iwas over at the bushes next to
their private like Harvey andNuts ramp.
They've got a ramp in theboneyard out west of Newcastle

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and there was this little blueypurpley berry there and I took
it over to Mark HarveyCampbell's dad and I was like
you know what this is like?
No, I'm not sure he's like areyou going to eat it or don't eat
it?
And it was like, oh, and wesort of had a quick discussion
about what it took.
You know, if you're back intribal Indigenous days, who was

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experimenting, you know, andit'd be like I guess one guy
would eat like some of thatfruit or berry or whatever, and
then the other guy would eatthat and whoever didn't get sick
, well, that's the one we ateand they don't, you know, don't
eat the one the guys got sickfrom.
Like that trial and error ofeven just survival is just an
amazing thing that we'veobviously had to adapt with over

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millennia.
So history, memory is a superimportant thing for survival and
progress.

Speaker 6 (02:11:34):
And we take it for granted.

Speaker 5 (02:11:36):
And we take it for granted exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:11:37):
And again, I think you're a purveyor of history,
Jim, in a lot of ways,especially within this
subculture.

Speaker 6 (02:11:43):
I just wanted to thank both of you for that Errol
episode.
Adrian, I reach out to him onFacebook sometimes, sometimes
hope I'm not a pest and like,ask him obscure questions.
He always answers.
He's just like such a lovelyperson.
We've never met in person butwe have this.
Like you know, I asked him aquestion for an article I was
writing for slam recently and hejust gives such amazing

(02:12:03):
in-depth um answers.
And it's so amazing to I meanbecause skateboarding is not
that old of a sportcomparatively to other sports.
You know, and I have toapologize for putting shade on
equestrian before.
This is a bad example but, likeyou know, it's such a young
sport.
We're really lucky that peoplelike Adrian Jones, wedge,

(02:12:26):
francis, these people are stilllike amongst us.
John McGrath, like all thesepeople that were like in
Australia, like the foundingfathers of you know, yeah, there
was some also amazing women too, like Lynette Gross was like
one like the world, like she wasfrom like South Australia in
1976.

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She went to America and won,like the international freestyle
, like skateboarding,championships.
As a woman like people don'teven know she's passed away, but
you know like she then went onto become a skiing champion, but
if it wasn't for, like,whatever illness she had, she'd
still be alive too.
And it's like there's all thesereally powerful figures in
Australian skateboarding.
We're just really lucky thatlike there's not.

(02:13:09):
You know, like if you wanted tocontact, you know, one of the
most famous Australian boxers ofall time well, it was probably
Les Darcy or something.
They've been dead for 100 years, you know, but I can contact.
I can literally just be like ohfuck, I want to ask Adrian
Jones a question.
I can get this amazing messagingthing up on a screen and be
like one of my heroes ask himlike the most obscure question

(02:13:31):
turn my computer off, go andhang out with my kid or go and
do whatever.
Come back and, like one of myheroes has answered this
question.
He's like that's crazy, that'sinsane, I know, and like for the
history, like we're so like,and then also to like the fact
that you guys can just go andnot even find him, because I
know you know him but just havehim and just talk to him and
have him there.

(02:13:53):
I mean we're in a very uniquehistorical period of our sport,
or our past, or whatever youwant to call it.
And documenting it To havethese people and it's not like
they're 90 and can't rememberanything.
They're still skateboarding, doyou know what I mean?
And they're still contributingand they're still of sound mind
because they're not that old toactually tell us exactly what

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was happening, where and when.
That's pretty.

Speaker 4 (02:14:16):
There's not many subcultures that still have that
like right there and accessibleyou know it's pretty, yeah,
pretty impressive, and then, andlet's face it, then those
legends aren't getting anyyounger and they are going to
stop you, you know, dropping off.
You know so, like we all are,you know.

Speaker 6 (02:14:32):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (02:14:32):
So, it's like yeah, like I'm feeling more of a sense
of like urgency, yeah, yeah,yeah.
To tap into their knowledgebase and they've got a lot to
share, like all elderly in oursociety do.
But I don't think enough peopleare tapping into the elderly
and their experience.

Speaker 6 (02:14:48):
No, yeah, yeah, of course you know they're really
not.

Speaker 4 (02:14:50):
They're just dismissing the elderly.

Speaker 6 (02:14:52):
Well, hang on.
I went skating with you today,though.
Zing Sorry.

Speaker 4 (02:14:58):
That's good.
I actually deserve that.
I did, I did, I did.
I was actually feeling bad.
I feel like I yelled at youwhen we were talking about the
mining companies what I themining companies.
I was feeling bad the wholepodcast.

Speaker 6 (02:15:12):
You were the one talking about mollycoddling
before.
I'm not easily offended andwe're allowed to have an adult
conversation.

Speaker 4 (02:15:19):
No, I know, I know, don't overthink it.
I love you, don't overthink it.

Speaker 6 (02:15:25):
Anyway, thanks guys for making the Adrian episode
Thanks, absolutely stoked.

Speaker 4 (02:15:30):
Yeah, I did do a backside Smith still on that
little thing today, but anyway,I'm not that old he did.
He did, anyway, I don't want totalk about it.
Okay, it's not about me, butyou know what it is.
Listen, ty Nielsen was the nextepisode.
Owner of Amigo Skate Shop Mate.
I love that episode.
For some reason I startedasking him about when he lost
his virginity.
It got super funny and weird,but that guy rules man.

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And also there's a realsincerity to Ty Nielsen man,
like he's a people person and heloves people and he really
cares for people.

Speaker 6 (02:16:02):
And he's generous.

Speaker 4 (02:16:04):
He does, he cares for people, and he'll never say it,
he'll never admit it, but hegenuinely cares.
He does Like I went in the otherday and I'll share this, but
say it, he'll never admit it,but he genuinely cares, he does
like.
I went in the other day andI'll share this.
But I've had, I've got, a skincancer that was quite deep and
had to get it cut out and therewas a week of wondering whether
it had spread into my lymphnodes and I just found out today
that it is all clear, excellent.
But I remember I thank you, uh,thank you and um.

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I went into ty's gauge shopjust after I had the operation
and I could tell he really caredfor me.
But he was like trying tosubtly make out like he didn't
care.
But I know he cared.

Speaker 5 (02:16:38):
I saw him today too, went into the shop.

Speaker 4 (02:16:40):
What did he say?
Did he say how's Shannon?

Speaker 5 (02:16:42):
He actually didn't.

Speaker 4 (02:16:44):
Fuck that guy man.

Speaker 2 (02:16:45):
I want to give Ty a bit of a shout Like he's also.

Speaker 6 (02:16:52):
He's actually a great skate photographer too, Is he?
Yes, yeah, he plays that down,eh, Like, there was a period
like and he's a greatskateboarder as well and he's
just really fun to be around.
But I've known Ty for a reallylong time but he's, yeah, there
was a period where he was justlike taking a lot of when there
wasn't maybe before BrendanFrost was around, when there was

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a period where there was notmany like skate photographers in
Newcastle.
He really stepped up and hetook some great shots.
I mean, he still does, I think,but he's busy running the shop.
But, yeah, he's had some reallygood, has he?
Amazing, yeah, skate photos.
He had a photo of Adam Tabonein Thrasher.

Speaker 4 (02:17:32):
Sick yeah, the old New England park.
So Adam was in Thrasher and Tytook the photo.

Speaker 6 (02:17:38):
Yeah, and he had like yeah, I remember he took.
He was also really generouswith his photography.
I remember when, like Lydia,simon Lydia wanted to skate this
hardball years ago, like wedidn't have a photographer,
frosty was somewhere and justrang Ty.
It was like so inconvenient forhim.
I think he'd been playingcricket that day.
Ty is a really good cricketplayer.
I know most people wouldn'tknow that he was an enigma and
he was just like yeah, come pickme up.

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And we just like went and gothim.
He came out, shot this amazingphoto and just like had it
sorted, like edited.
You know it was for one ofSimon's sponsors at the time,
but it was just like theturnaround was amazing and it
was yeah.
I don't think a lot of peopleknow that about him because
maybe he doesn't he's notbraggartly, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:18:15):
No, and he generally has a skate park because he
wants a hub for people to haveSkate shop.

Speaker 6 (02:18:21):
What did I say?
Park, skate park, damn, I mustbe tired.
Ellermore, vale, bale SkatePark Bowl.
He goes to all of them.
That could be his bowl.
No, really, well, he's the onlyone that skates there.
It's a pretty rad bowl, but noone ever goes there.
Ty goes there from time to time.
I think we should go there oneday with him.
I'd love to, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:18:47):
But he generally wants to have a place for him in
those early years of his life.

Speaker 6 (02:18:51):
Well, yeah, he worked at New Escape for years.

Speaker 4 (02:18:53):
He worked at the old New Council Skate and it felt
like that got lost so he wantsto recreate it and you can see
and everyone appreciates it.
It's rad.

Speaker 5 (02:18:59):
That's where I met him, at New Escape, and he used
to talk about taking photos.
Yeah right, I was repping it.
Because, you were repping, so.
I'd talk to him for ages as youdo.
Yeah and yeah, and, in fairness, I sort of forgot about the
photography thing because hejust doesn't mention a lot of
stuff.
You know he's just constantlytalking about whatever else you

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know what I mean it's not all ofthat, but not about sort of
necessarily his own stuff.

Speaker 6 (02:19:28):
His own stuff.

Speaker 5 (02:19:29):
yeah, Just talking about just all scene stuff and
all that side of things.

Speaker 4 (02:19:33):
Yeah, yep, that's a good one.
And then Carrie Pogson fromOmnibords.
Jim, what a day that was it wasa great day, so we drove from
Newcastle to Ulladulla and backin the same day and I calculated
with stops and stuff we didabout 12 hours of driving.

Speaker 6 (02:19:50):
It would have been heaps quicker if you didn't have
to piss every like 500 metres.
But like it's cool.
I've got a large prostate.
I apologise, sorry.

Speaker 4 (02:20:01):
But look, it was a good trip.
I don't think I've heard asmuch shit talking in a car than
I did from you in one day.
That's pretty good.
But we talked about everything.
We talked about you, life, lovein one day.

Speaker 6 (02:20:07):
That's pretty good, but we talked about everything.
We talked about, yeah, lifelove.
But, carrie, we got to see thepresses.
I was pretty excited.

Speaker 4 (02:20:17):
How did you feel being amongst it all?

Speaker 6 (02:20:20):
Like that slam issue number 24 you were talking about
before, with Alex Smith doingthe 360 flip into the pit.
I merely cover that.
In that issue there's aninterview with Carrie about how
you make a skateboard and itgoes through like the
rudimentary processes ofpressing your own board and I
read that article like when Iwas in high school, like just

(02:20:43):
front to back like 800 times.
So then to go into his actualfactory and see him really doing
it was a bit of a spin out.

Speaker 4 (02:20:51):
That's cool and I love how he verbalized.
Remember he told us the wholeprocess from start to finish.

Speaker 6 (02:20:56):
Yeah, yeah, it was rad, like it was really really
cool, Definitely I'm trying tomake my boards last longer, now
and then to see like he'd keptall his original artwork.
So he had, like he had drawingsthat Steve Tierney had sent,
like just original hand-drawnstuff that Tierney had sent him.
I mean like I want this, I wantthis.

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So he had, like I saw him, likehe had the colour separations
for Michael McDonald's likeSilver Surfer board, which was a
pretty iconic board inNewcastle at the time because he
was a local pro.
But Steve's artwork was coolbecause it was hand-drawn.
So Steve was doing graphicdesign or whatever at the time,
so he was sending Carrie allthat stuff.
That was pretty rad, like thatwas yeah, it was pretty just the

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history of everybody.

Speaker 5 (02:21:41):
Alex was probably writing for Carrie at the time
when he had that colour as well.

Speaker 6 (02:21:46):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 5 (02:21:47):
He was definitely a pro for Omni at the time yeah, I
don't know if you talked aboutit in the interview, but I
remember, Kerry, I did talkabout trying out all different
things with boards andsnowboards and everything.
But I remember there was aperiod where he was making some
boards with basically likekitchen benchtops as like a form

(02:22:07):
of slick bottom and stuff.
Yeah, he was trying all sortsof things like his slick.
It was early 90s when slickswere happening and I remember
that they were really heavy.
It wasn't optimum at the time,but he was just, yeah, really
trying to push the envelope andsee what he could do with boards
, you know and try differentmaterials and see what was

(02:22:27):
working or not, yeah.
And I rode for Kerry forseveral years as well.

Speaker 6 (02:22:31):
That's what I was going to say.
You rode for him, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:22:32):
Yeah, yeah, and the boards were amazing.
You know, at the time he usedthe resin glues.
I remember just seeing my boardfly out of a bowl once, like 20
, 30 feet in the air and justliterally come straight down on
the nose and there was thetiniest little mark on it, a
blemish mark, and I just thoughtthe board was over, you know.
And then I was like good boards.

Speaker 4 (02:22:53):
Yeah, and I think they're probably like better
than they've ever been.

Speaker 6 (02:22:58):
Yeah, from what it looks like yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:23:01):
Even he said he thinks they're the best they've
ever been.

Speaker 6 (02:23:03):
That's right, yeah, so it's sick, good product.

Speaker 4 (02:23:06):
And again, for me, that episode reminded us that we
should be supporting localbusiness and buying Australian
when we can.
And yeah, okay, it may cost alittle bit extra, but think
about the knock-on effect ofthat.
Like you know, it allows abusiness like him to support our
community of skateboarders.
Maybe hook some kids up, givethem some free boards.
So you know, when you do paythat bit extra, that's what

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you're actually paying for aswell.

Speaker 6 (02:23:30):
But his boards are still just competitively priced
with normal boards.
Yeah, they are.
Imports are expensive now.

Speaker 5 (02:23:37):
I think they're definitely well within range.

Speaker 4 (02:23:39):
Imports are cheaper than buying American boards, but
he even said they are aslightly higher price point
because otherwise he'll neversurvive.

Speaker 6 (02:23:44):
Oh, if you're buying like Chinese banks or something,
I suppose yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:23:53):
But still anyway.
But regardless, like hiscommitment and like we noticed
too and we thought about it likeyou know, he's really
responsible for keepingAustralian skateboarding alive
through dark times.
People forget that yeah forsure.
You know, and you know, socommitted to it and still going
after all these years.
So shout out, Kerry Box.

Speaker 6 (02:24:07):
Yeah definitely.

Speaker 4 (02:24:14):
Aaron Brown was 241 and again, tell the story about
how you found the legendarySydney photographer.

Speaker 6 (02:24:17):
Aaron Brown.
Well, I don't know if I foundhim.
I think Brendan Frost found him.

Speaker 4 (02:24:20):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (02:24:20):
Because he was like living up here.
And then Brendan Frost had saidhe'd met this guy called Aaron
Brown.
When I was talking about aphotographer that I liked called
Aaron Brown, he said, oh yeah,I met this guy called Aaron
Brown who said he used to takeskate photos, and I was like
what?
I mean, it has to be the sameperson.
And then one day he just cameinto the bookshop that I was

(02:24:42):
working at at the time and hehad a photo book that he made
not skate related and it saidAaron Brown at the bottom of it.
And he was like, oh, um, yeah,I was just wondering if you're
interested in stocking my book.
And in front of like a wholepacked shop I said, oh, are you?
You're not aaron brown, thefamous skate photographer?

(02:25:02):
Aaron brown, are you?
And uh, kind of everyone inthis this sounds weird, but
everyone it's not a very bigshop everyone kind of stopped
and looked and he said I don'tknow about famous, but yeah, I
mean I am Aaron Brand, the skatephotographer.
And I spun out and, like I wassupposed to be serving people, I
was like I've been looking foryou, you know, like I was like
Did the whole shop applaud like?

(02:25:23):
in the movies?
No, not like that.
But like I had this exhibitionat a museum and like I included
like lots of your photos and I'dask everybody else's permission
and stuff, but I couldn't eventrack you down.
Like I used a photo of yours ona poster, I even wanted to like
pay you but I couldn't find you.

(02:25:43):
No one knew where you were.
And he was like yeah, we bothspun out and I knew all this.
He was like I was naming photosthat he'd taken and he was
spinning out and then I had toapologize to people that were in
the line.
And they were like no, this isactually amazing.
This is beautiful.

Speaker 4 (02:25:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:26:00):
Serendipitous moment it was.

Speaker 6 (02:26:03):
It's that Roxy photo, the Dave Rocks photo.
He's wearing the camo shirt,he's got a green MC wrap oh no,
just green wraps Doing afrontside noseblown slide on
like a green bench and like allthe light streaking.
I think it was in the firstAustralian skateboarding, that
photo, man, that was one of myfavorite photos, like probably
outside of O'Meally's, like theDevo Rocks photo.

(02:26:28):
That's probably my two favoriteAustralian photos maybe.

Speaker 5 (02:26:32):
Yeah right.

Speaker 6 (02:26:32):
And yeah, so to meet him and then like ask him about
that photo.
It's pretty dope.

Speaker 4 (02:26:37):
It was a history lesson, and his commitment to
film photography and his loveand his passion for it just came
out of him, didn't it?

Speaker 6 (02:26:43):
Oh, I mean, he's the most enthusiastic he loves.
You know, when they say like Idon't know what to say, it's
such a cliche, but like, findwhat you love doing and let it
kill you, or whatever man heloves, he just loves it.

Speaker 4 (02:26:56):
He does, and it goes well beyond skateboarding.

Speaker 6 (02:26:58):
now, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, he's just a brilliant
person.
He's a really special person tome now, actually, it's funny
because we haven't even hung outin person that many times.
We have and haven't.
We'll message each other fromtime to time, but he's just like
I love Aaron.
He's a really good guy.
Yeah, the honor and pleasure ofhim shooting some photos of me

(02:27:23):
over time and stuff like myinterview issue yeah, I was
going to say and some otherstuff.

Speaker 5 (02:27:25):
Stoked, for sure, yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:27:28):
What was he like to shoot with?
I mean, I know, shannon, you'veshot photos with him, but I
mean, when you were actuallylike at the heart of your career
, when you were shooting withhim and stuff, what was that?
Was he a good guy to havearound on the session?

Speaker 5 (02:27:41):
Yeah, definitely Like just he was just doing his
thing, wasn't any particular way, you know, he was just there
doing his thing, really wasn'tany particular way, you know, it
was just there doing his thingReally.

Speaker 4 (02:27:54):
And did you know?
Did you have that innate sensethat you just knew that whatever
he was doing was going to begood?
You could trust him.

Speaker 5 (02:27:58):
Oh yeah, of course, because he'd had the history
already, you know.
So it was like I mean, infairness, I don't really
remember why he came to shootwith me or how that transpired
at all, but it did.
I mean, everyone knew eachother back then at that time,
you know he was probably one ofthe main photographers for the
mag Gordo.
Maybe would have hooked it upor something.

Speaker 6 (02:28:20):
Yeah, he was the photo editor.
Yeah, he was the mainphotographer for ASM.

Speaker 5 (02:28:23):
yeah, but yeah, I knew him through the scene and
it just happened.
But yeah, obviously I knew hewas coming to shoot, so cool,
maybe Guy wasn't availablebecause I usually shoot with Guy
Miller, you know at the time.

Speaker 6 (02:28:36):
But yeah, Do you remember skating with Aaron at
all, like at St Mary's orFairfield or anything like that?
No, no.

Speaker 5 (02:28:44):
No, not that long before.
That would have been at leastsix years before the stage when
I shot with him.

Speaker 6 (02:28:50):
Yeah, okay, so six, seven years.

Speaker 4 (02:28:54):
Nice.

Speaker 5 (02:28:54):
Did.

Speaker 4 (02:28:55):
Guy Miller shoot the hill for Caballero.
No, that was Aaron.
Aaron shot that it was.

Speaker 5 (02:28:58):
Aaron Cool.
The blue rinse over the photokind of yeah, he shot most of
those Vertex photos in that oneDid he yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:29:08):
Legend Pretty epic he shot everything.
Hey, yeah, bird x photos inthat one did he.
Yeah, legend pretty shoteverything, hey, yeah.
Like I remember, I rememberafter that episode thinking damn
I wish I got into photographyin that era, because he was
saying like just there was nophotography, good skate
photographers, it was so wild,yeah, and I'm just like, oh man,
he's like, basically, if youhad to picked up a camera and
got decent at it, you probablywould have got photos in max and

(02:29:28):
and like, what was his firstcontribution to Escape Mag and
he got the cover.
No, he didn't get the cover.

Speaker 6 (02:29:36):
Yeah, he got the cover and the poster.
Yeah, it's like slam number 17.

Speaker 4 (02:29:40):
Great.
And that's his firstcontribution.
So sick, so good.
Then, after Aaron, and this isthe most recent one, it's with
none other than the legendaryJohn Bogarts soul to and this is
the most recent one, it's withnone other than the legendary
John Bogarts, sold of the earth.
Human, former police officer of25 years, one of the OG pro
skaters in Australia.

Speaker 6 (02:29:57):
Yeah, Bonser, I used to have his model, yeah.
Yeah, he rode Bonser yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:30:03):
With the graphic that was done by Sean Mossett.

Speaker 6 (02:30:06):
Yeah, Gravel did that graphic.

Speaker 5 (02:30:10):
Oh, I think, yeah, what do you mean?
Gra gravel did that gravel?

Speaker 4 (02:30:13):
yeah so and then the podcast has kind of got derailed
after that episode, like for somany.
For years I was weekly episodesand then I've decided to take
more of a trajectory of, uh,quantity, a quality over
quantity, like more fortnightlyand just being, you know,
focused on, you know, goodquality production and getting

(02:30:35):
it just a bit more detailed.
And then, with the Rob Paceepisode that we lost, I actually
haven't produced an episode forabout three weeks, which is the
first time I've gone that longin since in 243 episodes.
So I just want to share this.
It kind of has rattled me alittle bit because it's just

(02:30:57):
become so entrenched as part ofmy life and having this deadline
of producing something weeklyand fortnightly actually keeps
my whole life together in otherareas.
But then also with the skincancer and the stuff around that
, I just had this period ofgetting really derailed with it.
So yeah, just thought I'd sharethat too.
So yeah, so, Bogarts was thelast one.

(02:31:19):
Yeah Well, but then Rob Pacelike I said is going to be the
last one, and this will come outafter we've already published
the Rob Pace episode, so yeah,Well, go you on the dedication
for keeping that consistency up.

Speaker 5 (02:31:35):
That's really amazing .
It's really impressive as apassion project, like for sure
stupid though, like.

Speaker 4 (02:31:37):
Do you think?
Sometimes I'm like am I anidiot?
Am I wasting time?
Like, but this is.

Speaker 5 (02:31:43):
These are the um the thoughts that go through me, but
that's the intricacy of thehuman condition made that
obsession you know to to dothese things and, like you said
before, it's a bit of catharsisfor you and it's a lot of things
you know and we've had thediscussion a lot that you've

(02:32:05):
come to a bit of anunderstanding that you mentioned
before.
These stories are good to shareand and have it out there and
and um, no one's really doing ithere on such a consistent basis
and obviously nine club andothers are doing that in other
spaces but and it's and I guessthey sort of have a viewership

(02:32:27):
now it seems like they'rebasically making money and
living off of it and that'sgreat and it's much harder here,
a lot of it because of ourpopulation and therefore what
actual basically sponsors youcan get to fund it.
So you know, doing it strictlyas a labour of love is, you know
, that's honourable.

Speaker 4 (02:32:47):
Oh thanks, great, yeah, yeah, I just wonder if
it's misguided.
If you find it fulfilling, youknow that's honorable.
Oh thanks, that's great.
Yeah yeah, I just wonder ifit's misguided.

Speaker 6 (02:32:52):
Well, wait, if you find it fulfilling.

Speaker 4 (02:32:55):
Okay, good question.
I do find it fulfilling, but Iquestion my ego, so selfish.
Well, I question my ego.
It's like am I looking for somesense of validation or personal
validation from this?
I go through that a lot, butyou're giving other people a

(02:33:16):
voice as well.
Yeah, and I think it does comeback to that, and I have had to
check my ego a few times and,like mate, sometimes I want to
make it about me, but really thesense of purpose in giving
someone avenues to share storiesthat could inspire other people
is it is very purposeful.

Speaker 5 (02:33:26):
there you go, so thanks, definitely but I don't
the bit about you.
A lot of the questions comefrom your experiences in life
that may not be directly, youknow, related to you.
Sometimes it can be, sometimesnot.
You know what I mean, and it'sabout putting across those
stories and that's whatconversations are about putting
across stories, and they'reimportant to have that's a

(02:33:48):
perfect way of putting it, andit's also okay to want to tell
your story as well.

Speaker 6 (02:33:53):
There's a big difference between telling a
story and intertwining yourselfwithin an overarching narrative
and then making something allabout yourself.
There's a big differencebetween those things as well.

Speaker 4 (02:34:03):
Yeah, sure well, that's again.
I want to use this opportunityto thank you, jim, for doing an
article in Slam on the podcast.

Speaker 6 (02:34:10):
Sorry, no worries at all, I've enjoyed doing it, it's
fantastic and anything I canhelp to in any way that I can
help to kind of broaden yourlistenership, because I know
that, like I said earlier on, Ireally enjoy.
I mean, I enjoy it as far asthere's so much content out
there.
Obviously it's infinite.

(02:34:32):
But when we find these thingsthat help us to, you know, like
pass our time and they help usto, sometimes they're not always
informative and educational.
Sometimes they help us to relaxand they're purely for
entertainment.
That's one thing, you know.
I know I was joking aboutwatching neighbors before, but
that's this thing too, that, um,I think people often forget
that it's okay just to enjoysomething, even though I get
something, like I mean, when I'm, for example, listening to the

(02:34:55):
Adrian episode, I mean I got somuch from that even it sounds
corny, but even spiritually likelistening to somebody that I
would consider a hero orsomething it's okay just to
enjoy things at face value aswell.
Not everything has to like havedepth and of course we're
looking for that depth in thingsas well, and I often am in the

(02:35:15):
things that I'm collecting,reading whatever outside of
skateboarding as well but also,like there are episodes of yours
where, like, say, some of thepeople that are like surfers or
whatever like that, that I'lljust have on, because I just
enjoy hearing people talk atface value, for even if it's
just like a vaguely related likesubculture.

(02:35:37):
So, yeah, no, thank you forputting everything out there as
well.
Thanks, jim Ty's taking aselfie.
Who are you, ty?
He's got the Christmas tree.
I like that.

Speaker 5 (02:35:45):
Try and get us all in there, it's a bit dark.

Speaker 4 (02:35:52):
Oh no, I missed it Go .
Go again.
Now listen, let's get down tosome other business.
It's been a nice long episode,which I love, and I want to say
this I love just doing theaudio-only episodes.
The video production stuff isgreat when we have really good
visual images, like on Errol'sepisode.
God, there some good visuals inadrian's episode really cool

(02:36:15):
yeah, and then other ones.
And I mean, wait to see robpaces, like the videos we get in
.
That it's just pureentertainment really.
But I just feel like there isan authenticity to audio only
and like the fact that we'vebeen talking for two and a half
hours pretty easily it it's atestament to that.
But let's talk about SOTYpredictions.
It's coming up to that time ofyear.
All the companies are puttingout their best riders parts.

(02:36:37):
Have you been keeping up todate, you two or thrash a SOTY?
I?

Speaker 5 (02:36:42):
wouldn't say wholly, but seen a few things recently.
Like you just mentioned, elijahBurrell's part Just watched
that yesterday.
I think Super gnarly quitediverse as well, I'd say
somewhat very thrasher as such.
You know Sam Fran, a lot ofspots, all of that.

(02:37:06):
Yeah, definitely really good,but yeah, apparently he's done
some other stuff this year whichI wasn't too aware of.
Haven't been on top of that.
Yeah, definitely really good,but yeah, apparently he's done
some other stuff this year whichI wasn't too aware of.
Haven't.
Haven't been on top of that, uh.
But I watched jamie for his newbalance part, uh, the other week
and wow, talk about diverse andlike a nimble human for someone

(02:37:27):
such as him's amazing.
Um, yeah, like that's amazing.
And I've seen, I think, atleast a couple of other parts
that he's put out this year andwhatever.
And yeah, he's just wildlyphenomenal on a skateboard, I
have to say he's just got somany different moves and gnarly

(02:37:48):
technical, like everything.
I think that's fascinating, youknow, really cool.
And I'll just say I watchedBrayden Hoban's long part the
other day that he just put outand just funny, he mentioned
Welcome to Hell before becausehe did a super long rail and he
had a Welcome to Hell T-shirt on.
I was like, oh, that's a bit ofan homage to, welcome to Hell.
Right there, jamie.

(02:38:08):
I think Jamie did that rail.
And I was like, oh, that's abit of an homage to to welcome
to hell.
Right there, jamie.
I think jamie did that rail.
And I was like that's actuallypretty cool because it's toy
machine as well and I justthought that was pretty cool.
I mean you could sort of arguethe fact because he's done a lot
of comp stuff this year.
He's actually been prettydiverse in his whole career side

(02:38:29):
of things this year.
So I mean, I mean he could dowell there.
Didn't really think it stackedup as much as like Jamie's stuff
or maybe Elijah's to get thetop spot there, but 100% an
honourable mention there.

Speaker 6 (02:38:45):
Definitely, he's a machine.
Like he can flip intoeverything.
Yeah and fast, he's sick.

Speaker 5 (02:38:50):
I Like he can flip into everything yeah and fast
and just like he's sick.
I really enjoy his skating, forsure, and his comp skating is
really pure and true and he'sjust yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:39:00):
Yeah, and he seems like he's having fun while he's
doing it too.
He does seem like he's havingfun.
Yeah, that's a big thing.

Speaker 5 (02:39:04):
Which is amazing with his stuff too.

Speaker 6 (02:39:11):
You're like oh, you're having fun doing that.
Yeah, go you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly yeah.
What do you reckon, jim?
Uh, look, I think it's going tobe jamie foy.
I mean everything that ty justsaid.
I mean, he's just a phenomenon.
I was hoping that it would betiago.
Like I'm always rooting for theunderdog, and no one's world is
tiago and underdog.
I don't mean that, I just moremean that, like, everybody is
assuming that it's Foy.

Speaker 4 (02:39:31):
It's not necessarily big, crazy handrail shit.

Speaker 6 (02:39:34):
Yeah, I'm just.
I mean everyone's assuming thatit's Foy just because of how
well-rounded he is, how muchcontent he's put out, all filler
, you know, all killer, nofiller, that kind of thing.
What's the wrong?
No, the opposite.
You know, like he's just abeast and he is like but yeah,
tiago had the switchback noseblunt cover of Thrasher.
You know he's released a coupleof parts, including his part

(02:39:57):
with that switch heel, flip bumpto switch heel, flip over that
barrier in that, over that wallit looks like it's about 10
meters long or something in theNew Balance video Switchback.
nose blunt fakie flip out on thepicnic table.
Yeah, big Tiago fan, but, like,ultimately, I think that Jamie

(02:40:18):
Foy is going to get it.

Speaker 4 (02:40:19):
Tiago's wearing those juice-o-matic pants If Tiago
lived in Australia in 1999, hewould definitely ride for juice,
wouldn't he?
You guys would have had him onthe team.

Speaker 5 (02:40:31):
I'm sure, definitely, I feel like him and.

Speaker 4 (02:40:34):
Sid Would be homies With their like Athletic vibes.

Speaker 5 (02:40:37):
But yeah, foy, I mean that he's also killed Some
comps too.

Speaker 6 (02:40:42):
Foy's done Some amazing Stuff at comps as well,
I was making noises when he wasdoing Like what?
Yeah that.

Speaker 4 (02:40:49):
I was making noises when he was doing like, yeah,
that heel, flip back, tail,insane, all the grind down and
then up that rail.

Speaker 6 (02:40:54):
It was the thrasher coming man he's going so fast
across the flat, obviously toget up the other side.

Speaker 4 (02:41:00):
Those cross lockers man, like once they've got the
cross lock in, like you know,Rob him, anyone that can cross
lock.
Well, in a round rail, sort oflike, it seems like they can
just do anything.
But my theory is this Rememberthe year Nija didn't win it, a
couple of years ago, when he hadthat amazing part with just
every insane handrail and thenTyshawn won it, which was, you

(02:41:23):
know, like amazing part as well,but just a completely different
style of skateboarding.
Really.
It wasn't gnarly rails and gaps,really, but um, have you seen
deeds as part?

Speaker 5 (02:41:34):
yes, it's probably the other day.
He's so sick again.

Speaker 4 (02:41:37):
I just think it's a completely almost like a
different, almost like adifferent genre of street
skating.
In a way it's raw.
It's rough like he's having toride big soft wheels so he can
land stuff on cobblestones likeportugal, like Portugal Euro
spot.

Speaker 6 (02:41:50):
Yeah, totally like.

Speaker 4 (02:41:55):
And just like it's really amazing and his style is
like I'm just hanging on here bya thread, I don't know.
I feel like it could just takeit out.
It's so raw.

Speaker 6 (02:42:01):
I'd actually really like him to win it.

Speaker 5 (02:42:02):
Yeah, yeah, he's so fun to watch, right?
He's really fun to watch.

Speaker 4 (02:42:11):
Again.

Speaker 5 (02:42:11):
But again, it's almost like a little different
genre within a genre.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, he's creative and gnarlyand techie and tricky and he's
always had really cool videoparts.

Speaker 4 (02:42:19):
He has that.
Really unique stuff I have tosay I feel like it could go that
way.
There's no doubt Jamie Foy'sskateboarding is exceptional and
groundbreaking, no doubt.

Speaker 5 (02:42:30):
Definitely Anyway.

Speaker 4 (02:42:33):
Definitely.
Anyway, yep, how are we feeling?
Gents Tired?
Yet it's a long one.

Speaker 6 (02:42:37):
No, no, I mean I'm good.
I don't know if you've got somemore.

Speaker 4 (02:42:40):
Well, I just want to start to wrap it up a little bit
.
I did put on our list of thingsto talk about.
Look man, I've been riding8-inch boards, 7.75 boards
forever, popsicle-shaped forever, and I just was like I've got
to try one of these egg-shapedboards.
In the end I didn't fork outfor a heroin egg because they're

(02:43:03):
the really trending boards atthe moment and they look amazing
.
There's a reason they'repopular.
It's because they're sick,right?
But Marty Baptist sent me aJapan national deck that's about
nine inches wide, tapers at thenose and the tail a little bit
bit of a square tail.
Yeah, wide, and I absolutely.
And it's got a big key, it'sgot a short wheelbase and I
absolutely love it and it flipswell and stuff like that.
Plenty of board to land on.

(02:43:24):
So have you guys tried it?

Speaker 5 (02:43:26):
something like that I haven't, but I was just, uh,
I've been taken aback with thewhole phenomenon of it as well.
And, um, just listening tochico brenner's on the nine club
, uh, recently I think it wasolder, into a little bit older
but just hearing him talk aboutall what he's doing with boards

(02:43:46):
and all the shapes now he gotinto writing shaped boards was
actually quite fascinating.
And hearing him talk about howit actually affected tricks, um,
and the way he did tricks andhow it made some tricks kind of
easier, some flips, and all that, even though the width of the
board I actually found thatquite intriguing, I have to say,

(02:44:07):
and the short wheelbase thingwigs me out because I definitely
feel like I need a certainwheelbase to not feel like my
feet are too close together.
I'm going to zing, zing out anddie, basically, but it's maybe
that width sort of circumventsthat a little bit.
I'm half.
I tried a little one just eight, three, seven, five a while ago
, but then I realized how skinnythe nose and tail were.

(02:44:28):
So it wasn't that that goodbecause I wanted a bit more
stability.
But I'm definitely I'mintrigued to try out a wider one
which has a wider nose and tailat some stage and see how it
goes.

Speaker 6 (02:44:41):
What size board do you ride?
Just generally like just anormal board?

Speaker 5 (02:44:44):
I think it's 8, 3, 7, 5 on smaller stuff.
If I'm riding bigger stuff it'dbe like eight and a half yeah
okay, that's definitelybasically popsicle shape you
know, big thing for me iswheelbase yeah, yeah that's a
big part.
But the shape?
The shape's intriguing.
Now to see if it actually makesthat much difference to doing

(02:45:06):
certain tricks and feel but Isee kids riding them and it's
really interesting, yeah forsure.

Speaker 6 (02:45:12):
Well, when I first met Shannon, I was going through
a phase of, like you know, mydaughter was only one and a half
or something and I'd just been.
I got really lazy.
I have because I just ride like8.38 or 8.375, whatever, just
like I don't even know what theyare like 5.6 ventures and like
52-millimeter pretty 90s kind ofstuff, 52-millimeter Spitfires,

(02:45:34):
like it's pretty standard.
That's what I like.
I've ridden that for a reallylong time but I was riding.
I have a.
I got my friend Chris to cut me.
I've got like an Eric DressenEverslick, like Santa Cruz, like
the original one.
And I got my friend Chris to.
He does this death breathcompany makes his own presses,
his own boards.
I got him to like cut one forme like a replica so I could

(02:46:03):
skate that shape like that youknow 1991 shape.
And it's got some like Indy169s on it but old ones, like
old base plate, old T-bar anyway, because the hanger, the base
plate, wouldn't fit on the new.
Also, I had to make somefrankensteins but I put these
ojs on it that are like just soI'm essentially was making a
cruiserboard.

(02:46:23):
I don't usually do that.
I usually just ride the oneboard.
It made me lazy, though it wasso fun to ride because I put big
, soft wheels on it that Iwasn't doing any tricks for ages
.
When I first met Shannon, I wasjust riding this thing around
Like we were at a car park, likeI'd met him, and the first time
I went skating with him we wentto this car park with Marley
Ray and I was just pumpingaround in this thing.

(02:46:44):
I actually had to one day gookay, like go to the skate shop
and go and get a just normalboard and put your ventures and
your spitfires back on it,because I would just go to go
skating.
And the idea of specialnewcastle is pretty crusty, the
idea of just like being able topump around and like ollie up a
gutter and like cruise aroundand slash around this thing with
soft, like they're just big ojsand like this old it's fun it

(02:47:06):
was so fun and not having to tryit made me really lazy really
quickly.
It was really responsive to likethe board, kind of like you
were saying.
I don't know, but the wheelbaseis bigger but I had to make a.
That's my only experimentrecently with shaped boards.
I usually have a single kicklike set up that like I might
deliberately like even put likea old outfit on to go and like

(02:47:27):
skate up to shops or orsomething like like like a
different, like dress from thewrong era and go for.
I know that sounds insane, butlike but you know Ben Watts.

Speaker 4 (02:47:37):
Ben is a skater from Campbelltown.
He's been on, he was on thepodcast a few years ago.
Awesome skater works at fasttimes.
I think he skates for consshoes in Australia, but anyway,
he said that years ago to me.
He's like I get these differentshaped boards and you look down
under your feet and it justlooks fun and it makes me feel
like I'm having more fun than apopsicle.

Speaker 6 (02:47:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (02:47:57):
It's like it creates a fun vibe, just because it's
hard to be different.

Speaker 6 (02:48:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:48:01):
And like what's this tail shape going to be better
for?
Oh wait, that works better fortrays and that works better for.

Speaker 6 (02:48:07):
Well, you just expect , you don't even do that, like
you can go skate.
I've got this.
I actually just put cockroachgrip on it, but I've got like a
it's a Burford blank, that wassomeone had recut, like had cut,
like a Roscoe what's the onewith the full face, roscoe 3 or
whatever shape on Old holedrilling.

(02:48:28):
So I've got like old Indies onit, like original Indies on it,
like original indies on it.
And uh, I've got some t-boneson it, like new old stock
t-bones on it must be heavy it'sso heavy man I haven't even got
plastics on itaside from risers and um, I've
got cockroach risers on it butall ones and um, it is fun just
to go and look like you.

(02:48:48):
You just don't, you don't skateit the same though that's
different to the cruiser thing.
When I said I got lazy.
You just go to like, if youtake that out, like you're
deliberately skating, like theera, that's what I mean about
like I might have, you know,like a PAL shirt on or something
that I wouldn't wear when I wasgoing skating normally, because
you're kind of dressing andyou're going out, and if I'll go
to the tavern in my house andjust do like boneless details,

(02:49:08):
I'm like Feeling a vibe, Alittle bank, or you know.
You're not Feeling a vibe.
Yeah, deliberate it's not.
The same, though it's not whenit looks good under my feet.
Well, doing a three-step wouldjust feel weird anyway.

Speaker 4 (02:49:20):
I agree.
You know, hey, can I play that?
Tim Levinson quote that he saidabout art.

Speaker 6 (02:49:25):
Yeah.
Because, I just like it.

Speaker 4 (02:49:26):
He said some other stuff already, so here we go.
Earth boy, that's like fuck man.

Speaker 7 (02:49:31):
Art is part of social change.
Art is part of how we have apublic conversation about
everything.
Politicians and media are theones who generally drive the
meaning that happens in oursociety.
This is what we're going tolegislate on.
This is the thing that's goingto keep the country going, and
here's the way that we're goingto perceive all these things.

(02:49:52):
Who else gets to have a say,apart from, like you know,
people chiming in on socialmedia?
Art is a central part of theway that the whole fucking
society moves the cogs in thewheel.

Speaker 4 (02:50:04):
Just like that, that's fantastic.
And on is skateboarding art toyou, gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (02:50:10):
Yes, of course, all art, definitely Every part of it
, except when it's a sport.
No, it's sport and art.

Speaker 5 (02:50:17):
But that's it.
There's no defined part of itreally.

Speaker 4 (02:50:24):
But I just think what we're doing on these wooden
toys or useless wooden toys likethe old skate movie is exactly
that.
It's the cogs in the wheel.
It's a catalyst forconversations and mind expansion
and when we're learning tricks,talking about tricks or just
talking shit at the skate spot.

Speaker 6 (02:50:43):
And exposing, being exposed to like new people too,
because that's one of thebiggest things is, you know,
like I was exposed to like somany different people through
skateboarding.
I mean, we all were, not me,this is my personal experience.
I know that we were just likeit opened my world up the first
time as a 11 year old kid, goinginto town and hanging out with
all these from all differentsocio-economic backgrounds, all

(02:51:05):
different cultural backgrounds,that just like it, just it
broadened my horizon, so much sothat I even started noticing.
I can remember going back toschool and like noticing it
about like the kids that justplayed, like well, it didn't do
anything, you know, the kidsthat weren't exposed to, like
older kids from like all this,this plethora of backgrounds, I
don't know yeah, well, it'sopen-mindedness and adaptation

(02:51:26):
as well, which is kind of whatart is as well.

Speaker 5 (02:51:29):
There's so many forms of adaptation, social, like
different people, differentmindsets, different vibes,
tricks, styles, all of that, aswell as the actual skating
itself.
That's what I love, and I'msure I've said this before on
the podcast.
That's what keeps me engaged inskating is how far it's come,

(02:51:52):
even though there's still thisrelatively encompassed band of
tricks that are done like you'renot spinning 20,000 degrees,
you're not doing you know sevenflip, 360 flips or whatever.
There's this limited band, butthe different things that all

(02:52:15):
these tricks are done on in allthe street, that's what's
amazing with street skating,particularly and particularly
all the Euro stuff, all thearchitecture, just all that
adaptation is just fascinatingand it just keeps it going, and
that, to me, is art, fascinatingand it just keeps it going, and
that, to me, is art.
Oh, look at it this way,instead of it just being

(02:52:36):
whatever it is as a structure.

Speaker 6 (02:52:39):
Inanimate object.
Inanimate object exactlyConstant adaptability and
reinterpretation.
Great way of putting it yeahreinterpretation and also
there's like a spontaneity aboutthat like with street skating
as well, and park skating too.

Speaker 5 (02:52:53):
And now particularly the modern parks with all these
crazy obstacles and featureswhich have been adapted from
street and adapted, like I foundI said this to someone recently
like the old late 70s, early80s parks.
I think a lot of them, or someof them, were way ahead of their
time.
They could see the potential,but the gear wasn't up to it.

(02:53:13):
Ultimately, their skillsweren't up to it, and now
they're just hyper versions ofthat now, with lots more going
on and it's being used to thenth degree basically yeah, yeah,
it's true.

Speaker 4 (02:53:28):
What do you reckon?
Leave it there.

Speaker 6 (02:53:31):
Yeah, I think that's good, it is good.

Speaker 5 (02:53:32):
Great stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:53:33):
Happy New Year everyone and thank you Ty, thank
you Jim.

Speaker 5 (02:53:37):
That wrap-up.

Speaker 4 (02:53:38):
Absolute pleasure.
Gentlemen, stay safe out thereEw.

Speaker 5 (02:53:45):
Happy New Year everyone.
Happy New Year everyone.

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