March 1, 2021 • 39 mins
Join us as we discuss the man-eater of the outback: Katherine Knight! Part outspoken and passionate Australian woman with a high libido, part knife-wielding vixen who isn't afraid to experiment in the kitchen, Katherine would become famous across the globe for the brutal murder of her ex lover, John Price. Learn about her love for her work as a abattoir and how this particular set of skills came into play during the murder. Did I mention the mystery meat that police found in the kitchen and the yard? I didn't? Well, you'll just have to listen to the episode to learn more.
Today's promo is from a special case covered by our friends Jules from Riddle Me That! and Robin from The Trail Went Cold. You can find out more about the Jacob Landin case by listening to their episode (https://open.spotify.com/episode/757FusjyDDtG681F7q4uTg?si=8IblO2wmT7ye4jj9yv15lw) or by visiting Jacob's brother Eric Landin's podcast page, True Consequences, or his website (https://www.trueconsequences.com).
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Today's promo is from a special case covered by our friends Jules from Riddle Me That! and Robin from The Trail Went Cold. You can find out more about the Jacob Landin case by listening to their episode (https://open.spotify.com/episode/757FusjyDDtG681F7q4uTg?si=8IblO2wmT7ye4jj9yv15lw) or by visiting Jacob's brother Eric Landin's podcast page, True Consequences, or his website (https://www.trueconsequences.com).
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Hey, all, you terrible people, be sure to stay tuned to hear
a chromo from one of our friends. Hi, I'm Jules from Riddle me
that true crime. I'm Robin Warderfrom the Trail Went Cold and Jules,
and I want to tell you alittle bit about a case that means a
great deal to us. The deathof nine month old baby Jacob Landine on
April the tenth, nineteen eighty seven, in Soakaro, New Mexico. The
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day prior to his death, onApril ninth, baby Jacob was being watched
by his mother, Brenda's new boyfriend, John not his real name, in
his mobile home on fourteen fifty threeFatima Drive. While John was babysitting Jacob,
Jacob would and ker what would behis second head injury in a period
of weeks. The prior head injurywas a subdural hematoma or brain bleed,
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and it was serious enough that itneeded to be lanced to take pressure off
baby Jacob's brain while being monitored bydoctors over the course of several days.
The circumstances surrounding how Jacob was injuredand subsequently died our murky at best,
but the suspect, giving multiple versionsof the events of the day, ranging
from Jacob choking and accidentally hitting hishead while trying to dislodge a cookie,
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to Jacob falling and John returning tosee the injured infant. The suspect also
reportedly confessed two officers that he wasindeed responsible, but there is no paper
audio record of this confession in thepolice file. The reasons given by the
DA for not pursuing the case areconfusing as well, with one of the
reasons being that they were worried thatJohn would file charges against the state.
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It was the opinion of the doctorsthat baby Jacob was struck in the head
and this was no accident. Inthe years to follow, John goes on
to sexually abuse young Eric, whowell is physically abusing his mother Brenda,
and emotionally abusing and isolating them,both making the world very small. During
the autopsy, layers of abuse seemedto be present. A healing rib fracture
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from around the time of the firsthead injury is also discovered. It's impossible
to say exactly when the injury tookplace, but what is clear is that
someone was abusing young Jacob, andthat person was most likely John Eric Landine,
Jacob's brother, has been fighting toget justice for him. However,
he faces some obstacles, such asthe statute of limitations of six years on
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second degree murder that state Representative BillReim has petitioned to have overturned. Join
Robin and I, as well ascriminologist doctor Ashley Wellman, an investigative expert,
a legal expert, a forensic psychiatrist, as well as Jacob's brother Eric,
as we explore all angles of thiscase and try to bring awareness,
understanding, and hopefully, ultimately justicefor Jacob. The series starts on March
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the first tune in on your favoritepodcast app. Welcome to Terrible People Doing
terrible things. I'm Amanda, andI'm a licensed psychologist who enjoy studying the
worst of humanity. And I'm Laura, a true crime and horror fan who
enjoys researching dark and twisted stories.And boy who I have one for you
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today. So I'm going to tellyou about Katherine Mary Knight. Catherine was
born in October nineteen fifty five andshe would be the first Australian woman to
be sentenced to life with no paroleOkay, no chance of Parole zero nine
nine, yet she didn't get out. Katherine was from the town of Tenterfield
in New South Wales. She wasone of eight children, and she was
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also one of twins. I don'tknow how you say that, like a
twin one of a set of twins. She had a twin. Yeah,
she had a twin. So hermother, Barbara had also had four boys
with a previous marriage and another sonwith Ken Knight, who is Katherine Knight's
father. Okay, And from whatI could make of the story, Barbara
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had the children with Ken and thenher marriage with Jack Rohan fell apart,
So there was some some messing aroundand some you know, some stuff going
on. Yeah, okay, someshin nanigans on the side. There shenanigans
on the side for sure. Andtwo of her stuns that she had with
Jack, two of his sons Iguess, stayed with him when you know
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him and Catherine parted ways, okay, and then the other two of his
sons went to live with an aunt. They were really big about splitting up
kids. I don't know, Yeah, they just like he kept two of
his favorite I guess, and theother ones went to an aunt. Yeah,
so it sounds like you men andnemo goodbye. I like you and
you you can fuck off. Yeah. So Ken her father worked at an
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attour, which is a slaughterhouse,and he was a slaughter man. Okay,
so these are like really big highprocessing meat places. Yes, I
think when her when her dad wasdoing it, it was a little bit
less like low key, and itturned into more like a factory working like
later on, okay, to whereyou know, it's just like pigs in
cows out, just chopping up,murdering everything. And he traveled with his
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family wherever he could find work,between New South Wales and Queen Queensland's areas,
which are a couple of hundred Ikeep wanting to say miles kilometers apart.
It's kilometers, which I don't.Don't ask me. I don't know
how many miles it is. Idon't know. I think mile it would
be. I don't know. Itwas a couple of hours drive, like
it was. It took some time. Yeah. Yeah. So later in
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nineteen sixty nine they settled in Aberdeenbecause there was steady work for avatars there,
okay, and Catherine being around thisenvironment and like this was her life
and stuff naturally, she wanted tobe an abatour too, which she did.
When she turned sixteen, she joinedher father at the Aberdeen Abatar Aberdeen
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Aberdeen Abatard. So as you canassume, this was a really heavily male
dominated field. Yeah, especially likeat the time. But she became as
tough as any dude she worked with, and she was known to never back
down, always have a knife onhand ready to use, and she would
challenge anyone that pissed her off toarmed combat. No one ever took her
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up on it. I wasn't expectingthat, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
it just it goes from here,man, just wait, just waiting,
man. So obviously nobody took herup on that because nobody wants to
fight a crazy woman with a knife. No. No, And her most
prized possession was a set of boningknives that she had gotten and she hung
these precious knives, and Amanda,just a real quick multiple choice question here.
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Where did she hang the knives?Was it above the stove, above
the toilet, above her bed,or above the fireplace bed? Yeah,
you know it. It was aboveher she fucked up. Yeah, she
kept them there so she could seethem while she went to sleep and that
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they would always be handy and nearbyif she needed them, and she continued
to do this everywhere she lived upuntil she is arrested. Okay, so
this bitch has a set and we'retalking, you know, bony knives,
really sharp, yeah, sharp knives. So that's odd, you know,
a little bit but hey, alittle bit little, yeah, just a
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little smidge, just a tiny bit. So in nineteen seventy three, she
met twenty two year old truck driverDavid Kellett, and once she turned eighteen,
she moved in with him. Okay, they were married in nineteen seventy
four the next year, and therewas a rumor that she tried to strangle
him on their wedding night because hewouldn't have sex with her enough. Okay,
yeah, times, yeah, yeah, I think I remember hearing something
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about that and being like, dayyeah. So she was like, this
is not adequate lovemaking and I'm goingto strangle you. So that's weird,
great way to start your wedding.And she's like that mame, I don't
know if you've seen it, ofthe it's a lion and then the lioness
behind him, and she's like bitinghis balls. Oh, and the explanation
for it is like he's not puttingout enough like and I think there's a
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scientific explanation for like lioness wanting sexlike constantly, and they will like get
your balls if you don't put outyour balls. Yeah, yeah, just
another reason to love lioness, isI know. Well, after a while,
David started working with her at theabatour and he was actually the one
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in charge of slaughtering the pigs,and she would visit him often to watch
him work. So she loved watchinghim kill pigs with a stun baton or
something. I think it's one ofthose the shooty thing for cows, like
the oh yeah, I mean theair pressure air gun, Yeah, something
like that. But she loved it. And in nineteen seventy six she had
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their first child, and David couldn'thandle her violent, possessive behavior anymore,
so he split down with another woman. Yeah, which was probably a really
good idea. Yes, as youcan imagine, Catherine did not take this
well. Okay, she was severely, severely depressed and had no one to
take it out on, so shetook it out on her two month old
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child, Melissa. Damn it,so she took her to the train line,
and she left her in the middleof the tracks to be run over
by the next train that was coming. Luckily, Melissa was rescued by a
man who was foraging nearby her hood. The baby crying, Okay, so
you can get run over by atrain, Jesus Christ. And on the
same day that she put her infanton the train, she also took an
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axe from someone's backyard and started wavingit around town and threatening to kill random
people she saw. Just ballistic andthere's not so there was there was information
about her childhood in Wikipedia. Ididn't get included me here because I'm really
I couldn't find anywhere else that thatinformation was available. Yeah, but it
is worth noting that on the Wikipediainformation it did say that she, like
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her father, was alcoholic, abusiveokay, possibly raped her mother up to
ten times a day wow okay bylike knife point or like intimidation, and
also that she was a really wellmannered child um and she often got like
good stuff for her good behavior andstuff in school until she left at sixteen
to be an avatoar. But shealso would go into like murderous rage,
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like rampages like, ok, trollableand for very seemingly like minor things,
so very easy to set off.And once you set her off for nothing,
yeah, like you like murdery,Like she hurt people even as a
child, like it said on theWikipedia page, as she like assaulted a
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boy and a teacher actually hurt Catherinein self defense at one point during school.
That sounds like so something known asintermittent explosive disorder, Yeah, which
I think more likely occurs in kidsand adolescence, and it's sometimes it's also
in there with conduct disorder emotional distregulation, But it's just it's what it
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sounds like. Do they normally growout of it? Probably if they get
help. She didn't. If theyget help, maybe, yeah, yeah
she didn't. She didn't. Yeah. So she was arrested and taken to
a hospital by police, and shewas diagnosed with postnatal depression and released.
So fucking postpartum they're just giving herpostpartum Like yes, yeah, yes,
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but tell me that's not standard practicefor postpartum depression. I don't know,
because now I can't, especially afteryou tried to kill your baby. I
can't remember if that also came upwith Andrea Yates's case. I feel like
postpartum depression was in there and shemay very well have had it. What
bothers me about it is she hasbeen displaying signs of mental health issues for
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years, since she was a child, and they decided that since she had
a baby, that must be itobviously is what pushed her over the mace
women in christ See, you know, I don't I guess I don't know
enough about it. It could havedefinitely contributed. It could have contributed,
But she was already like fucked beforebefore this. Yeah, there was already
some screws loose or misplaced exactly.Yeah, well, uetheless, A few
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days go by and then Katherine cutsa woman's face with a butcher's knife,
a woman that she knew. Andthis woman narrowly escaped by pulling into a
gas station. So I'm assuming thatKatherine was in the car with her,
they were going somewhere, and shecut her with one of the knives that
she always had on hand. Bythe time the police got to the gas
station, Katherine had taken a youngboy hostage at knife point. And another
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quick quiz for you, Amanda,Hey, the cops were actually able to
wrestle the child away from her.But how did they do this? Was
it attacking with mace, attacking withriot batons, attacking with brooms, or
attacking with ice ice brooms? DamI was like, brooms is too obvious
for Shenanigans. We're gonna go withthe ice, And it was. It
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was very obvious because they were apparentlyhandy nearby, and they just started whacking
her with them and she dropped theknife and she let the kid go.
So it's a very interesting police tacticfor taking down a hostage situation, like
a bunch of chimney sweepers that cameto the kid's rest police, it's actually
police, it's police with brooms.This is our police squad. Yeah.
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Yeah, they used brooms. AndI'm guessing they didn't want to shoot her
for whatever reason a small town,or they were worried about injuring the child.
Be worried about injuring the child.If you let somebody without a knife,
like if you hit me with abroom, I mean it's gonna hurt,
but yeah, probably still got afew swings in. As long as
you don't get an eyeball somehow,it should be fine. Yeah, Well,
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After this, local doctor recommended thatshe be admitted to more Set Psychiatric
Hospital for treatment and detained under supervisionwhile her daughter went to her grandparents Barbara
and Kent, which I'm not sureis better based on reading the Wilipedia article.
And now I'm thinking Barbie and Canfor Barbara and Can, it is
is Barbie and Kidi Barbie. Well, now I'm going to refer to them
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like that. Stacy, what wasthe teenager teenage Barbie Dolls names Scooter.
Wasn't it her skipper Skipper? Thankyou? I was like, Stacy,
Scooter, it was her younger sister. I think, yeah, Skipper.
Well there's no Skipper, here's Barbieand Ken. The cops called David to
let him know that his wife waslocked up in New South Wales's most notorious
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Menstal institution, so he and hismother traveled to come be with Catherine about
like I was saying, a couplehundred kilometers a couple of hours drive,
okay, and she perked up assoon as she saw him. So she
was then released later on August ninth, nineteen seventy six, into her mother
in law's care, under the conditionthat Jean, the mother in law.
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Okay, I'd do ensure that shewas taking her medications, So that was
one stipend to her release, whichI don't know how you're gonna make a
crazy many who attacks everybody with knivesthat she constantly has on her take her
medication, good luck with it shouldprobably be being done by a professional.
Well, and how old is themother in law too? It's like probably
in her fifties, Yeah, maybefifties sixties. Yeah. I don't know
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about you, but that's that's notsomebody I want to care for in my
home, like in my own home. That sounds highly dangerous. He's hanging
her boning knives like m everywhere.Yeah, and especially because at this point
she has already like been hurting peopleher whole life in fits of rage.
She tried to kill her baby,and she cut a woman's face yea,
possibly strangled her husband on their weddingnight. Like this woman has some serious
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issues and violent issues. But nonetheless, off they went, and on the
way they picked up her daughter Melissaas well. No good, So right
back into great to Catherine's care.Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that was
a good living situation for that child. Mmmm. Any of those chill,
no, no. So now Davidand Catherine are back together with his mother
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and their child, and things didn'tgo well as Katherine flew into rages all
the time over inconsequential stuff. Sheattacked David with her fists, kitchen appliances,
really just anything she could grab andthat was nearby. And yet they
had another daughter in Natasha in Marchnineteen eighty. Yeah, let's just bring
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more kids into this situation. Yeah, it's going to be perfect. Pleasant
kids thrive and domestic violence situations,yeah, oh, especially this one.
Necessary for their development, especially thisone. But you know, they had
their next kid. Nineteen eighty fourrolls around and I'm sure, to David's
relief, she disappears. Catherine disappears. However, she took her two daughters
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with her, goddamn and everything fromthe house that she could Okay, yep,
okay. So then she went toher parents farm in Aberdeen, but
that didn't last very long and shemoved into muscle Brook and after about a
year, her hard labor job,which was twelve hours a day of hacking
up carcasses like bent over and stuff, took its toll and her back gave
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out. Okay, and she stoppedworking entirely. Yeah. So the Housing
Commission gave her a house and shehad her pension as an income. And
she was just thirty at this time. So thirty years old, yeah,
living on a pension, not ableto work anymore, problem in pain,
Yeah, just great, great combinationsof things here. It's kind of like
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ticks all of the like trumpa boxes. Yeah yeah, ticking time bomb.
But she still needed a man,so she got to work on that.
And she was a fairly attractive woman, tall, thin, And her next
relationship that stuck was with Dave Saunders. He was a thirty eight year old
miner and Catherine was very cheerful andfun when she needed to be, so
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he was easy to seduce. Shehad very nice feminine wiles. Oh and
a really high sex drive. Iwonder if she almost has this like like
cute and like pretty weird skirts dressingup. Yes, like she's got that.
And then she kind of acting almostlike a giddy little girl, like
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silly, like almost like regresses developmentallyyeah until you get home. Yeah yeah.
Yeah. So he loved her andhe moved in with her and her
daughters. After a few months,things would self from there, she was
always falsely accusing him of cheating.She would throw him out, he would
return to the apartment that he keptwhen he moved in with her, and
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then she would come back and begfor forgiveness and he always went back.
Okay, So just an endless cycleof domestic abuse basically because she beats this
shit out of people all the time. Yeah. Now, I just want
to let you know that this nextpart involves animals, so oh great,
Yeah, it's not pleasant. Sonot only would she attack Dave with her
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fists and her boots, but inMay nineteen eighty seven, she also decided
to show him what would happen ifhe messed around on her. So she
took his two month old puppy andslid its throat from ear to ear with
one of her prize boning knives.And after that she took a frying pan
and bludgeoned the puppy until it wasunconscious. She says, christ Yep,
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yeah, I'm not surprised, justwith her her story, her work of
that kind of shit bodies, Yeah, cutting meat, carcasses, slaughterises.
Yeah, it's nothing to her toput a knife in something and slide it
through you know what I mean.Yeah, So even through all of this
and a suicide attempt by Catherine,Dave still loved her, and in June
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nineteen eighty seven they had a babygirl named Sarah Dave just one more kid.
You need some counseling. I mean, she needs a lot. This
woman needed to be in a paddedroom. You needed to be put away.
Yeah, medication, heavy medication,yes, yes, And she went
through a lot as a child,allegedly. Yeah. It was later stated
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in court documents that she had beenraped multiple times by multiple family members throughout
her childhood I think up until shewas like eleven, but not by her
father, okay, and court psychiatristsdidn't really know if they believed that,
but the family members actually said thatthe abuse did happen. Oh okay,
So they're not really sure exactly aboutthe details that she gave. But he
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was abused, something was going on, yes, And then we know she
witnessed on going domestic violence with herparents. So yeah, it's a perfect
storm for her to hate man.Yeah, yeah, very much though.
So after the birth of Sarah,things settled down for a while. Dave
bought a small house in Aberdeen forthem, and Catherine paid it off with
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her workers comp that came through innineteen eighty nine. Damn, yeah,
she was. She's doing all right, she's doing okay. Yeah, it
was pretty like serious job back then. Avatars Okay. Yeah. And this
was Catherine's like real first possession inher life that she owned. Okay,
you know what I mean. Yeah, it was hers. Yeah, So
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she decorated just as she liked withdead animals, so great. Yep.
The walls of the home were coveredin animal hives. There were lots of
things hanging from the ceilings like oldbear traps and pitchforks and riding jackets like
motorcycle jackets, and then old newspaperstook up pretty much the rest of the
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home's space. So a bit ofa hoarder, very strange decorations going on,
a little bit of a slaughter shack. She's got with a hermit sprinkling
a hermit in there. Yeah.So, even though this was you know,
her dream home, she had hernew daughter, she still fell into
her normal uncontrollable rages, and sheallegedly hit Dave with a frying pan and
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stabbed him with some scissors in achest. Shit. So yeah, should
still stick around, though it's gonnabe great. Everything will be better.
After a particularly nasty fight, Daveleft and returned a week later to find
all of his clothes shredded and thrownaway. And this was like the band
of the line for Dave. Davewas like, nope, I'm done.
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So she can kill his puppy.Yep, she can hit him constantly,
she can hit him at the fryingpan, stab him with scissors. You
destroy this man's clothes. It's over. You have gone too far. Yep,
it's over. Yep. You messedwith my levi eyes and my wranglers
were done. Yeah, that wasthe straw that broke the camel's back.
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I don't know. Man put upwith the lot? Uh yeah? Yeah.
He hopped from bar to bar hisfavorite drinking places. His friends knew
where he was, but no onewould tell Catherine. Not a soul oh
okay good. So after some timeof searching, she gave up because nobody
was going to tell her where hewas. So a few months later,
he came back to see his daughterand realized that Catherine had gone to the
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cops and complained that she was afraidthat he would come back. And hurt
them, so they issued an orderand he was not allowed anywhere near her
or the children. Yeah, yeah, with no proof. Well, depending
on the story she's concocted. Everybodyin the town knows she's nuts, she
is in town. But still,for some reason, the man's the one
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doing the domestic abuse. Well,because I wonder if there's still some disconnect
of men being able to be abusedback then, Like, I wonder if
that's still just too much of adisconnect. Even if they know this woman's
batshit crazy, like certifiable needs tobe in a hospital, he could do
something about it if he wanted to. Yeah, he's obviously beating her if
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there's any domestic violence going on,which is bullshit. But yeah. So
not long after this, she founda new lover. A few months after
that, she was pregnant again.God damn, I know, it's a
lot of kids. So the baby'sfather was John Chillingworth and he was forty
three, worked at the meat works, and the baby was born in nineteen
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ninety one. Okay, this relationshiplasted three years and ended with her dumping
John Chillingworth for John Price. Andlet's just say that this was a very,
very unfortunate thing for John Price.Okay. Yeah, and also apparently
her and John Price said have beenhaving an affair for some time before this,
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so they already knew each other andwe're already fucking around. Oh and
she dumped Chillingworth. Yes, sowhich is a first. Yeah. Yeah,
she's got another man lined up.That's what she does. She has
to have a man in her life. If she knows she's getting sick of
chilling Worth, I gotta line someoneup first. So that was probably an
very intentional move by her. Yeah, and John Chillingworth got away, turned
his life around, stopped drinking likepretty okay for himself. Good for John.
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Good for that, John, Goodjob. John. John Price was
not going to be as as lucky. So he was known around town as
being a great guy who would giveyou like the shirt off of his back.
Everyone liked him, just a niceguy. Yeah, he'd been married
before that ended in nineteen eighty eight. He was left with a teenage boy
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and a girl to take care ofand they lived in a very nice brick
bungalow and wanted for nothing due tohis position at the mine. So he
was he was making bank. Hewas doing good for himself and his kids.
Yeah, they were good. Sohe met Catherine in nineteen ninety three
when they were both thirty eight,and he had already heard all the rumors
about her and how she abused herlovers, and he ignored that and dove
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in anyway. But as with everyrelationship before, it didn't take long for
things to fall apart and go intothe same pattern okay, that she always
went into. Yeah, so sheaccused him of infidelity. Yep, they
would fight, he would leave,he would come back, the cych who
would start again? Yeah, God, so just over and over. Yeah.
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I almost wonder like if she hassome version of the Madonna Wore complex
but for men, And I thinkit exists where it's like night and shining
armor and then you're a failure,you're weak. Kind of reminds me of
an Eileen Warnos. Oh yeah,you know what I mean. Yeah,
like not exactly the same, butlike a hatred for men. Well,
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and it's the same story every time. She plays it out the same way,
no matter the man in her life. Yeah, So it's all about
whatever her internal rhetoric is about men, whether they're trustworthy, whether they're going
to leave you, it's like shewants one really badly, and I mean,
let's be honest with her dad,Like growing up makes sense why she
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doesn't trust men well, and withthe abuse from family members, if she's
also being sexually abused by family members, like I can't trust any man.
All they want is sex, ButI want I still want that relationships,
still going to seek it out.Yeah, I'm going to be very sexually
driven because that was what was doneto me. So that's what I m
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Yeah, abuse gets abuse, itdoes, and it fucks with your sexuality.
So sometimes there's a sense of likesex is the one thing that's going
to keep the relationship together. Yeah, that's fair. While in nineteen ninety
five she moved in with him,they both drank heavily. They fought out
in front of any establishment wherever theywere. Things would be fine one second
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and then they were at each other'sthroats the next second. So everybody knew
and they're those people, they're thatcouple. Yep, everybody knew. It
was way on the open. Theyfought all the time. Yeah. In
nineteen ninety eight, she shared avideo of some items that Pricey had stolen
from work to his boss and Shesaid that she had recorded this as revenge
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for his refusal to marry her,and initially she had planned on music as
blackmail, but after a fight gotparticularly he did and he beat her with
a belt, she decided to takeit further. Okay, And these were
items that were past their due date, that had been salvaged from a bin.
Yeah, but this was enough thatthe company fired him. Oh god,
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okay, and this was a jobthat he had loved for seventeen years.
Well in their livelihood and their livelihoodexactly, so price he kicked her
out and she fled back to herlittle shack of horrors, and weren't spread
around town about how fucking just awfulshe had been. And it's surprised nobody,
Yeah, okay, nobody better thanI. But there's still not There
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are no charges being pressed. Themen aren't taking out orders of protection against
her or anything like that. Yeah, not yet, okay. So Pricey
took her back a few months later, although he would not move her back
into his home. He lost alot of friends who would be nowhere near
him if she was anywhere around,just did not want to understandably, Yeah,
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I mean yeah, So they resumedfighting and he would bring up her
getting him fired from the mine.Every no one knew they were awful for
each other, but they just couldn'tbe a part. Yeah, And from
some recollections of people, it seemedlike they were like, yeah, I
was just not out of the ordinary. It was a pretty typical relationship.
So apparently this was pretty like commonfor the area, like fights and fuck,
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I mean it's a mining town,sure, okay, yeah, or
they're used to some level of domesticabuse, yes, which is yes,
that's true, you know. Yeah. So going forward from here, she
was allowed back into his home.Fights escalated again, and in February two
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thousand, she stabbed him in thechest with a knife during an argument,
so he went to court got anorder to keep her away from his home.
Yes, good job. The sameday that he got this order,
he was in bed at eleven pmafter visiting with some neighbors. Catherine pulled
into the driveway, went in,watched TV for few minutes, and then
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took a shower, and then shejoined him in bed and they had sex.
Good lord, buddy, you justgot an order of protection against her.
Yeah, And you're like, oh, hey, by I mean she's
using sex as a weapon, kindof a means of controlling these men.
Very much though, very much so. Yeah, well they had sex.
The next day, neighbors noticed thathis truck hadn't left for work as as
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it usually would have been gone bythen. Yeah, I guess he got
another job. His employer also expressedconcern, and neighbors went to his bedroom
window. They knocked. They wentto his front door, and that's where
they saw a small amount of blood. They called the police. Okay,
so police arrived around eight am.They broke in through the back door,
and when they got in there theysaw something that they would never never be
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able to forget, and that wassome of Price's skin hanging from hooks in
the archway doorway to the lounge.No great, huh great. They found
Pricey in the lounge on the floor, decapitated in a lot of blood.
Yeah. As they searched the housefurther, they found Catherine snoring loudly on
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a double bed at the other endof the house. She was removed by
police and taken to a hospital andshe was in a coma like sleep like
couldn't wake her. She wash you'llfind out why, okay, okay,
And the following information is from awritten record of the detective who was the
first officer on the scene after thebody was discovered. Yeah, now you
think, okay, dead guy,no head, skin hanging, Yo,
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this dude's been butchered, and that'spretty awful. But you know that's it
sure not even close. Okay,there's a lot, there's a lot.
Yeah. So Detective Peter Anthony Muciowalked into the yard and saw a cooked
piece of meat in the lawn andit was collective for analysis. Didn't know
what kind of mean it was.It's bad when you can't tell what kind
of means. I know what kindof meaned it's already and just what's going
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on. I know, I knowwhat that ships her hand. I know
what kind of mean it is.I know what kind of uh huh.
So he went in through the reardoor and then he saw the human skin
hanging in the doorway, and hedescribed the skin as hanging from the archway
to the floor, and it appearedto be a whole human skin intact.
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Ah, so, so the skinsuit. So Peter went into the lounge,
Detective Peter, and he saw theheadless and skinless body and a lot
a lot of blood. Some wassmeared on the wall, just everywhere.
He also went into the dining areafound a table set with placements for three
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and clothes had been draped over thechair backs. I don't know why.
Okay. There was also a toolbag on the table with a folder,
a toy gorilla, and prescription medicineboxes. So like a bunch of empty
boxes of medicine. Okay, okay, those medicines were fellowed or ear five
million rams. Two boxes were empty, which is used for hypertension. An
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empty box of twenty milligram Prindeville,which is also used for high blood pressure.
Okay, an empty box of Dappatabs if this would a full box.
It contained ninety tabs at two anda half milligrams each, also for
hypertension. So Peter went to thehuman pelt and noticed that it had hair
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like black curly hair, yeah,pubic hair on the full pelts. The
edges were really smooth and had beendone with a very very sharp instrument.
Yeah. And there were also severalstab wounds in the pelt. Yeah.
I love calling it a pelt.Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what
I mean, That's what it is. It's not on our person anymore.
Yeah. So this is when Peternoticed blood leading into the kitchen and the
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stovetop near the aluminum broiler. Thestove was off, but when he lifted
the lid, he noticed that thepot was still warm. In the pot
was a human head and veggies.Huh. There was also a baking dish
with the remains of veggies and someliquid. There were also two meals with
meat potatoes, pumpkin, zucchini,cabbage, squash, and gravy. And
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the meat was similar to what wasfound in the yard. Yeah, okay,
no shoe. Yeah. There werealso more medication boxes around, one
for luvox, which is used totreat OCD yeah, and it is an
antidepressant SSRI. Yeah, And onefor aeropacks which is also an SSRI,
and then primithezene, which is usedfor allergies and nausea or also as a
set oftive. Okay, so thisis why Catherine was in a coma like
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state. She had taken a lotof pills. Shit ton of meds.
Can't kill that bitch. Though therewas blood in the fridge on the handle
all over the kitchen. Microwave wasopen. Some cooking and smoking of cigarettes.
Head that had happened in there,okay for some time. Yeah.
Peter then investigated the body and therewas almost no skin exposed, muscle and
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organs, and many stab wounds onthe left side of the chest. Jesus.
The meat that was served was piecesof prices butt, and the plates
were intended for her and his twochill grin when they came home. Okay,
she was going to feed him tohis kids. Yeah. I mean
she kind of left a mess,though, so I don't know if they
really would have been like, okay, let's say dinner. Hopefully they would
have first been very concerned and nothad an appetite and gotten the funk out
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of there. Second, I wouldhope they would be like, we're not
eating our dad. It's obvious you'retrying to feed him. He was in
the right here, headless, hisskinless, hanging. I'm okay to eat
that. We're not stupid out ofyour damn mind. Yeah. Yeah.
Well. Detective Peter stated that everywherehe walked in the hallway was shoulder high
with blood. It was apparent thatPricey had fought each stab, and he
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had attempted to turn on a light. He had even made it to the
front door and opened it, butthe screen door was closed and there was
blood on it, so he diedright there. Yeah. And then there
was obvious drag marks where she hadmoved the body into the middle of the
room. Okay, So he wasskinned fully avoiding the nose, ears,
and genital areas, and according toa forensic pathologist, this would have taken
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about forty minutes with how skilled thekiller was. Okay, Throne was question
but not having any recollection of whathappened after they had had sex. So
none, no recollection, and yetyou expertly skinned this person. After she
recovered from an alleged suicide attempt,which was the swallowing of all the pills.
She was charged with John Price's murderout of hearing that they actually held
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at her bedsite in a psychiatric wing. Oh wow. Okay, so they
took a special trip, yeah,to charge her with his murder. And
it was discovered that after she hadmurdered John, she went to town and
withdrew a thousand dollars from his bankaccount. Can't remember it though, Okay,
Okay, she killed him, Yeah, cleaned up, left to got
money from his bank account. Cameback skinned dim. I got some errands
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to run. I gotta put thison pause for a few minutes. Yeah.
So in two thousand and one,Catherine originally pled not guilty, but
then changed her plea to guilty tospare the family of having to hear all
of the details of the murder.Oh interesting, which is interesting. Yeah,
And according to court psychiatrists, shewas perfectly sane when she committed the
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murder. Yeah, perfectly say yeah. On November eighth, she was sentenced
to life in prison with no chanceof for roll. The judge made it
clear that her papers were to bemarked never to be released. Good and
she appealed the severity of the sentence, Which is crazy to me because you
literally skinned a man like a wholeman and cooked him, yeah, and
tried to feed him children. Butshe doesn't remember, fuck you. And
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it was unclear if Catherine had eatenany of the parts of John that she
had cooked. It was hard totell. They couldn't really tell if all
of his pieces were I bet shehad. She tried that. She bet
she ate a little. She triedit. She tried it, but you
couldn't tell, because I mean,he had been heavily mutilated. Yeah,
and to this day she still maintainsthat she remembers them having sex climaxing.
He went to pee, she watchedhim come back, and they fell asleep,
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and she is still locked up andin her sixties. Now great,
yeah, yeah, so to mesounds like bitch knew what she was doing
well for Like I get that maybeshe could have taken a lot of the
med's postitis after sex. Yeah,but they were in a toolbag on the
dining table, ended the kitchen,mix it along with like a bunch of
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blood and stuff. Well, shewas able to skin him, expertly,
decapitate him, cook a three coursemeal using human meat. The people I've
seen that are so fucked up outof their minds on like benzos or alcohol
they can barely make a grill cheeseLike no, yeah, no, And
I mean this was done with skill, Like she was known in the area
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for being like really fucking good ather job, really good at it.
Yeah, and she can't do thatkind of job if she's that fucked up,
No, because you start to losecontrol of your muscles, Like it
would have been like shittily done.Yeah, you know, there would have
been mistakes and stuff. No,she did a full like when I say
a full human skin, I meanentirely intact. Yeah. So yeah,
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like that's that's pretty impressive, likenot impressive, but well, and that
means she's like peeling it, youknow, the whole thing and not to
be discussed sing, But there arelayers underneath the skin of fibers and muscles
and stuff like that that attached andyou have to do cut away. Yes,
you're pulling back, yes, tobe able to skin something. So
this was done meticulously, moment bymoment with her precious boning knives. Yes,
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and I want to tell you alittle bit about a case that means a
great deal to us. The deathof nine month old baby Jacob Landine on
April the tenth, nineteen eighty seven, in Soakaro, New Mexico. The
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day prior to his death, onApril ninth, baby Jacob was being watched
by his mother, Brenda's new boyfriend, John not his real name, in
his mobile home on fourteen fifty threeFatima Drive. While John was babysitting Jacob,
Jacob would and ker what would behis second head injury in a period
of weeks. The prior head injurywas a subdural hematoma or brain bleed,
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and it was serious enough that itneeded to be lanced to take pressure off
baby Jacob's brain while being monitored bydoctors over the course of several days.
The circumstances surrounding how Jacob was injuredand subsequently died our murky at best,
but the suspect, giving multiple versionsof the events of the day, ranging
from Jacob choking and accidentally hitting hishead while trying to dislodge a cookie,
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to Jacob falling and John returning tosee the injured infant. The suspect also
reportedly confessed two officers that he wasindeed responsible, but there is no paper
audio record of this confession in thepolice file. The reasons given by the
DA for not pursuing the case areconfusing as well, with one of the
reasons being that they were worried thatJohn would file charges against the state.
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It was the opinion of the doctorsthat baby Jacob was struck in the head
and this was no accident. Inthe years to follow, John goes on
to sexually abuse young Eric, whowell is physically abusing his mother Brenda,
and emotionally abusing and isolating them,both making the world very small. During
the autopsy, layers of abuse seemedto be present. A healing rib fracture
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from around the time of the firsthead injury is also discovered. It's impossible
to say exactly when the injury tookplace, but what is clear is that
someone was abusing young Jacob, andthat person was most likely John Eric Landine,
Jacob's brother, has been fighting toget justice for him. However,
he faces some obstacles, such asthe statute of limitations of six years on
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second degree murder that state Representative BillReim has petitioned to have overturned. Join
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a legal expert, a forensic psychiatrist, as well as Jacob's brother Eric,
as we explore all angles of thiscase and try to bring awareness,
understanding, and hopefully, ultimately justicefor Jacob. The series starts on March
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the first tune in on your favoritepodcast app. Welcome to Terrible People Doing
terrible things. I'm Amanda, andI'm a licensed psychologist who enjoy studying the
worst of humanity. And I'm Laura, a true crime and horror fan who
enjoys researching dark and twisted stories.And boy who I have one for you
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today. So I'm going to tellyou about Katherine Mary Knight. Catherine was
born in October nineteen fifty five andshe would be the first Australian woman to
be sentenced to life with no paroleOkay, no chance of Parole zero nine
nine, yet she didn't get out. Katherine was from the town of Tenterfield
in New South Wales. She wasone of eight children, and she was
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also one of twins. I don'tknow how you say that, like a
twin one of a set of twins. She had a twin. Yeah,
she had a twin. So hermother, Barbara had also had four boys
with a previous marriage and another sonwith Ken Knight, who is Katherine Knight's
father. Okay, And from whatI could make of the story, Barbara
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had the children with Ken and thenher marriage with Jack Rohan fell apart,
So there was some some messing aroundand some you know, some stuff going
on. Yeah, okay, someshin nanigans on the side. There shenanigans
on the side for sure. Andtwo of her stuns that she had with
Jack, two of his sons Iguess, stayed with him when you know
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him and Catherine parted ways, okay, and then the other two of his
sons went to live with an aunt. They were really big about splitting up
kids. I don't know, Yeah, they just like he kept two of
his favorite I guess, and theother ones went to an aunt. Yeah,
so it sounds like you men andnemo goodbye. I like you and
you you can fuck off. Yeah. So Ken her father worked at an
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attour, which is a slaughterhouse,and he was a slaughter man. Okay,
so these are like really big highprocessing meat places. Yes, I
think when her when her dad wasdoing it, it was a little bit
less like low key, and itturned into more like a factory working like
later on, okay, to whereyou know, it's just like pigs in
cows out, just chopping up,murdering everything. And he traveled with his
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family wherever he could find work,between New South Wales and Queen Queensland's areas,
which are a couple of hundred Ikeep wanting to say miles kilometers apart.
It's kilometers, which I don't.Don't ask me. I don't know
how many miles it is. Idon't know. I think mile it would
be. I don't know. Itwas a couple of hours drive, like
it was. It took some time. Yeah. Yeah. So later in
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nineteen sixty nine they settled in Aberdeenbecause there was steady work for avatars there,
okay, and Catherine being around thisenvironment and like this was her life
and stuff naturally, she wanted tobe an abatour too, which she did.
When she turned sixteen, she joinedher father at the Aberdeen Abatar Aberdeen
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Aberdeen Abatard. So as you canassume, this was a really heavily male
dominated field. Yeah, especially likeat the time. But she became as
tough as any dude she worked with, and she was known to never back
down, always have a knife onhand ready to use, and she would
challenge anyone that pissed her off toarmed combat. No one ever took her
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up on it. I wasn't expectingthat, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
it just it goes from here,man, just wait, just waiting,
man. So obviously nobody took herup on that because nobody wants to
fight a crazy woman with a knife. No. No, And her most
prized possession was a set of boningknives that she had gotten and she hung
these precious knives, and Amanda,just a real quick multiple choice question here.
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Where did she hang the knives?Was it above the stove, above
the toilet, above her bed,or above the fireplace bed? Yeah,
you know it. It was aboveher she fucked up. Yeah, she
kept them there so she could seethem while she went to sleep and that
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they would always be handy and nearbyif she needed them, and she continued
to do this everywhere she lived upuntil she is arrested. Okay, so
this bitch has a set and we'retalking, you know, bony knives,
really sharp, yeah, sharp knives. So that's odd, you know,
a little bit but hey, alittle bit little, yeah, just a
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little smidge, just a tiny bit. So in nineteen seventy three, she
met twenty two year old truck driverDavid Kellett, and once she turned eighteen,
she moved in with him. Okay, they were married in nineteen seventy
four the next year, and therewas a rumor that she tried to strangle
him on their wedding night because hewouldn't have sex with her enough. Okay,
yeah, times, yeah, yeah, I think I remember hearing something
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about that and being like, dayyeah. So she was like, this
is not adequate lovemaking and I'm goingto strangle you. So that's weird,
great way to start your wedding.And she's like that mame, I don't
know if you've seen it, ofthe it's a lion and then the lioness
behind him, and she's like bitinghis balls. Oh, and the explanation
for it is like he's not puttingout enough like and I think there's a
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scientific explanation for like lioness wanting sexlike constantly, and they will like get
your balls if you don't put outyour balls. Yeah, yeah, just
another reason to love lioness, isI know. Well, after a while,
David started working with her at theabatour and he was actually the one
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in charge of slaughtering the pigs,and she would visit him often to watch
him work. So she loved watchinghim kill pigs with a stun baton or
something. I think it's one ofthose the shooty thing for cows, like
the oh yeah, I mean theair pressure air gun, Yeah, something
like that. But she loved it. And in nineteen seventy six she had
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their first child, and David couldn'thandle her violent, possessive behavior anymore,
so he split down with another woman. Yeah, which was probably a really
good idea. Yes, as youcan imagine, Catherine did not take this
well. Okay, she was severely, severely depressed and had no one to
take it out on, so shetook it out on her two month old
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child, Melissa. Damn it,so she took her to the train line,
and she left her in the middleof the tracks to be run over
by the next train that was coming. Luckily, Melissa was rescued by a
man who was foraging nearby her hood. The baby crying, Okay, so
you can get run over by atrain, Jesus Christ. And on the
same day that she put her infanton the train, she also took an
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axe from someone's backyard and started wavingit around town and threatening to kill random
people she saw. Just ballistic andthere's not so there was there was information
about her childhood in Wikipedia. Ididn't get included me here because I'm really
I couldn't find anywhere else that thatinformation was available. Yeah, but it
is worth noting that on the Wikipediainformation it did say that she, like
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her father, was alcoholic, abusiveokay, possibly raped her mother up to
ten times a day wow okay bylike knife point or like intimidation, and
also that she was a really wellmannered child um and she often got like
good stuff for her good behavior andstuff in school until she left at sixteen
to be an avatoar. But shealso would go into like murderous rage,
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like rampages like, ok, trollableand for very seemingly like minor things,
so very easy to set off.And once you set her off for nothing,
yeah, like you like murdery,Like she hurt people even as a
child, like it said on theWikipedia page, as she like assaulted a
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boy and a teacher actually hurt Catherinein self defense at one point during school.
That sounds like so something known asintermittent explosive disorder, Yeah, which
I think more likely occurs in kidsand adolescence, and it's sometimes it's also
in there with conduct disorder emotional distregulation, But it's just it's what it
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sounds like. Do they normally growout of it? Probably if they get
help. She didn't. If theyget help, maybe, yeah, yeah
she didn't. She didn't. Yeah. So she was arrested and taken to
a hospital by police, and shewas diagnosed with postnatal depression and released.
So fucking postpartum they're just giving herpostpartum Like yes, yeah, yes,
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but tell me that's not standard practicefor postpartum depression. I don't know,
because now I can't, especially afteryou tried to kill your baby. I
can't remember if that also came upwith Andrea Yates's case. I feel like
postpartum depression was in there and shemay very well have had it. What
bothers me about it is she hasbeen displaying signs of mental health issues for
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years, since she was a child, and they decided that since she had
a baby, that must be itobviously is what pushed her over the mace
women in christ See, you know, I don't I guess I don't know
enough about it. It could havedefinitely contributed. It could have contributed,
But she was already like fucked beforebefore this. Yeah, there was already
some screws loose or misplaced exactly.Yeah, well, uetheless, A few
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days go by and then Katherine cutsa woman's face with a butcher's knife,
a woman that she knew. Andthis woman narrowly escaped by pulling into a
gas station. So I'm assuming thatKatherine was in the car with her,
they were going somewhere, and shecut her with one of the knives that
she always had on hand. Bythe time the police got to the gas
station, Katherine had taken a youngboy hostage at knife point. And another
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quick quiz for you, Amanda,Hey, the cops were actually able to
wrestle the child away from her.But how did they do this? Was
it attacking with mace, attacking withriot batons, attacking with brooms, or
attacking with ice ice brooms? DamI was like, brooms is too obvious
for Shenanigans. We're gonna go withthe ice, And it was. It
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was very obvious because they were apparentlyhandy nearby, and they just started whacking
her with them and she dropped theknife and she let the kid go.
So it's a very interesting police tacticfor taking down a hostage situation, like
a bunch of chimney sweepers that cameto the kid's rest police, it's actually
police, it's police with brooms.This is our police squad. Yeah.
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Yeah, they used brooms. AndI'm guessing they didn't want to shoot her
for whatever reason a small town,or they were worried about injuring the child.
Be worried about injuring the child.If you let somebody without a knife,
like if you hit me with abroom, I mean it's gonna hurt,
but yeah, probably still got afew swings in. As long as
you don't get an eyeball somehow,it should be fine. Yeah, Well,
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After this, local doctor recommended thatshe be admitted to more Set Psychiatric
Hospital for treatment and detained under supervisionwhile her daughter went to her grandparents Barbara
and Kent, which I'm not sureis better based on reading the Wilipedia article.
And now I'm thinking Barbie and Canfor Barbara and Can, it is
is Barbie and Kidi Barbie. Well, now I'm going to refer to them
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like that. Stacy, what wasthe teenager teenage Barbie Dolls names Scooter.
Wasn't it her skipper Skipper? Thankyou? I was like, Stacy,
Scooter, it was her younger sister. I think, yeah, Skipper.
Well there's no Skipper, here's Barbieand Ken. The cops called David to
let him know that his wife waslocked up in New South Wales's most notorious
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Menstal institution, so he and hismother traveled to come be with Catherine about
like I was saying, a couplehundred kilometers a couple of hours drive,
okay, and she perked up assoon as she saw him. So she
was then released later on August ninth, nineteen seventy six, into her mother
in law's care, under the conditionthat Jean, the mother in law.
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Okay, I'd do ensure that shewas taking her medications, So that was
one stipend to her release, whichI don't know how you're gonna make a
crazy many who attacks everybody with knivesthat she constantly has on her take her
medication, good luck with it shouldprobably be being done by a professional.
Well, and how old is themother in law too? It's like probably
in her fifties, Yeah, maybefifties sixties. Yeah. I don't know
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about you, but that's that's notsomebody I want to care for in my
home, like in my own home. That sounds highly dangerous. He's hanging
her boning knives like m everywhere.Yeah, and especially because at this point
she has already like been hurting peopleher whole life in fits of rage.
She tried to kill her baby,and she cut a woman's face yea,
possibly strangled her husband on their weddingnight. Like this woman has some serious
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issues and violent issues. But nonetheless, off they went, and on the
way they picked up her daughter Melissaas well. No good, So right
back into great to Catherine's care.Yeah, yeah, I'm sure that was
a good living situation for that child. Mmmm. Any of those chill,
no, no. So now Davidand Catherine are back together with his mother
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and their child, and things didn'tgo well as Katherine flew into rages all
the time over inconsequential stuff. Sheattacked David with her fists, kitchen appliances,
really just anything she could grab andthat was nearby. And yet they
had another daughter in Natasha in Marchnineteen eighty. Yeah, let's just bring
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more kids into this situation. Yeah, it's going to be perfect. Pleasant
kids thrive and domestic violence situations,yeah, oh, especially this one.
Necessary for their development, especially thisone. But you know, they had
their next kid. Nineteen eighty fourrolls around and I'm sure, to David's
relief, she disappears. Catherine disappears. However, she took her two daughters
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with her, goddamn and everything fromthe house that she could Okay, yep,
okay. So then she went toher parents farm in Aberdeen, but
that didn't last very long and shemoved into muscle Brook and after about a
year, her hard labor job,which was twelve hours a day of hacking
up carcasses like bent over and stuff, took its toll and her back gave
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out. Okay, and she stoppedworking entirely. Yeah. So the Housing
Commission gave her a house and shehad her pension as an income. And
she was just thirty at this time. So thirty years old, yeah,
living on a pension, not ableto work anymore, problem in pain,
Yeah, just great, great combinationsof things here. It's kind of like
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ticks all of the like trumpa boxes. Yeah yeah, ticking time bomb.
But she still needed a man,so she got to work on that.
And she was a fairly attractive woman, tall, thin, And her next
relationship that stuck was with Dave Saunders. He was a thirty eight year old
miner and Catherine was very cheerful andfun when she needed to be, so
(17:56):
he was easy to seduce. Shehad very nice feminine wiles. Oh and
a really high sex drive. Iwonder if she almost has this like like
cute and like pretty weird skirts dressingup. Yes, like she's got that.
And then she kind of acting almostlike a giddy little girl, like
(18:18):
silly, like almost like regresses developmentallyyeah until you get home. Yeah yeah.
Yeah. So he loved her andhe moved in with her and her
daughters. After a few months,things would self from there, she was
always falsely accusing him of cheating.She would throw him out, he would
return to the apartment that he keptwhen he moved in with her, and
(18:40):
then she would come back and begfor forgiveness and he always went back.
Okay, So just an endless cycleof domestic abuse basically because she beats this
shit out of people all the time. Yeah. Now, I just want
to let you know that this nextpart involves animals, so oh great,
Yeah, it's not pleasant. Sonot only would she attack Dave with her
(19:02):
fists and her boots, but inMay nineteen eighty seven, she also decided
to show him what would happen ifhe messed around on her. So she
took his two month old puppy andslid its throat from ear to ear with
one of her prize boning knives.And after that she took a frying pan
and bludgeoned the puppy until it wasunconscious. She says, christ Yep,
(19:22):
yeah, I'm not surprised, justwith her her story, her work of
that kind of shit bodies, Yeah, cutting meat, carcasses, slaughterises.
Yeah, it's nothing to her toput a knife in something and slide it
through you know what I mean.Yeah, So even through all of this
and a suicide attempt by Catherine,Dave still loved her, and in June
(19:47):
nineteen eighty seven they had a babygirl named Sarah Dave just one more kid.
You need some counseling. I mean, she needs a lot. This
woman needed to be in a paddedroom. You needed to be put away.
Yeah, medication, heavy medication,yes, yes, And she went
through a lot as a child,allegedly. Yeah. It was later stated
(20:11):
in court documents that she had beenraped multiple times by multiple family members throughout
her childhood I think up until shewas like eleven, but not by her
father, okay, and court psychiatristsdidn't really know if they believed that,
but the family members actually said thatthe abuse did happen. Oh okay,
So they're not really sure exactly aboutthe details that she gave. But he
(20:34):
was abused, something was going on, yes, And then we know she
witnessed on going domestic violence with herparents. So yeah, it's a perfect
storm for her to hate man.Yeah, yeah, very much though.
So after the birth of Sarah,things settled down for a while. Dave
bought a small house in Aberdeen forthem, and Catherine paid it off with
(20:55):
her workers comp that came through innineteen eighty nine. Damn, yeah,
she was. She's doing all right, she's doing okay. Yeah, it
was pretty like serious job back then. Avatars Okay. Yeah. And this
was Catherine's like real first possession inher life that she owned. Okay,
you know what I mean. Yeah, it was hers. Yeah, So
(21:15):
she decorated just as she liked withdead animals, so great. Yep.
The walls of the home were coveredin animal hives. There were lots of
things hanging from the ceilings like oldbear traps and pitchforks and riding jackets like
motorcycle jackets, and then old newspaperstook up pretty much the rest of the
(21:36):
home's space. So a bit ofa hoarder, very strange decorations going on,
a little bit of a slaughter shack. She's got with a hermit sprinkling
a hermit in there. Yeah.So, even though this was you know,
her dream home, she had hernew daughter, she still fell into
her normal uncontrollable rages, and sheallegedly hit Dave with a frying pan and
(21:59):
stabbed him with some scissors in achest. Shit. So yeah, should
still stick around, though it's gonnabe great. Everything will be better.
After a particularly nasty fight, Daveleft and returned a week later to find
all of his clothes shredded and thrownaway. And this was like the band
of the line for Dave. Davewas like, nope, I'm done.
(22:19):
So she can kill his puppy.Yep, she can hit him constantly,
she can hit him at the fryingpan, stab him with scissors. You
destroy this man's clothes. It's over. You have gone too far. Yep,
it's over. Yep. You messedwith my levi eyes and my wranglers
were done. Yeah, that wasthe straw that broke the camel's back.
(22:41):
I don't know. Man put upwith the lot? Uh yeah? Yeah.
He hopped from bar to bar hisfavorite drinking places. His friends knew
where he was, but no onewould tell Catherine. Not a soul oh
okay good. So after some timeof searching, she gave up because nobody
was going to tell her where hewas. So a few months later,
he came back to see his daughterand realized that Catherine had gone to the
(23:04):
cops and complained that she was afraidthat he would come back. And hurt
them, so they issued an orderand he was not allowed anywhere near her
or the children. Yeah, yeah, with no proof. Well, depending
on the story she's concocted. Everybodyin the town knows she's nuts, she
is in town. But still,for some reason, the man's the one
(23:29):
doing the domestic abuse. Well,because I wonder if there's still some disconnect
of men being able to be abusedback then, Like, I wonder if
that's still just too much of adisconnect. Even if they know this woman's
batshit crazy, like certifiable needs tobe in a hospital, he could do
something about it if he wanted to. Yeah, he's obviously beating her if
(23:51):
there's any domestic violence going on,which is bullshit. But yeah. So
not long after this, she founda new lover. A few months after
that, she was pregnant again.God damn, I know, it's a
lot of kids. So the baby'sfather was John Chillingworth and he was forty
three, worked at the meat works, and the baby was born in nineteen
(24:11):
ninety one. Okay, this relationshiplasted three years and ended with her dumping
John Chillingworth for John Price. Andlet's just say that this was a very,
very unfortunate thing for John Price.Okay. Yeah, and also apparently
her and John Price said have beenhaving an affair for some time before this,
(24:32):
so they already knew each other andwe're already fucking around. Oh and
she dumped Chillingworth. Yes, sowhich is a first. Yeah. Yeah,
she's got another man lined up.That's what she does. She has
to have a man in her life. If she knows she's getting sick of
chilling Worth, I gotta line someoneup first. So that was probably an
very intentional move by her. Yeah, and John Chillingworth got away, turned
his life around, stopped drinking likepretty okay for himself. Good for John.
(24:57):
Good for that, John, Goodjob. John. John Price was
not going to be as as lucky. So he was known around town as
being a great guy who would giveyou like the shirt off of his back.
Everyone liked him, just a niceguy. Yeah, he'd been married
before that ended in nineteen eighty eight. He was left with a teenage boy
(25:18):
and a girl to take care ofand they lived in a very nice brick
bungalow and wanted for nothing due tohis position at the mine. So he
was he was making bank. Hewas doing good for himself and his kids.
Yeah, they were good. Sohe met Catherine in nineteen ninety three
when they were both thirty eight,and he had already heard all the rumors
about her and how she abused herlovers, and he ignored that and dove
(25:42):
in anyway. But as with everyrelationship before, it didn't take long for
things to fall apart and go intothe same pattern okay, that she always
went into. Yeah, so sheaccused him of infidelity. Yep, they
would fight, he would leave,he would come back, the cych who
would start again? Yeah, God, so just over and over. Yeah.
(26:03):
I almost wonder like if she hassome version of the Madonna Wore complex
but for men, And I thinkit exists where it's like night and shining
armor and then you're a failure,you're weak. Kind of reminds me of
an Eileen Warnos. Oh yeah,you know what I mean. Yeah,
like not exactly the same, butlike a hatred for men. Well,
(26:25):
and it's the same story every time. She plays it out the same way,
no matter the man in her life. Yeah, So it's all about
whatever her internal rhetoric is about men, whether they're trustworthy, whether they're going
to leave you, it's like shewants one really badly, and I mean,
let's be honest with her dad,Like growing up makes sense why she
(26:45):
doesn't trust men well, and withthe abuse from family members, if she's
also being sexually abused by family members, like I can't trust any man.
All they want is sex, ButI want I still want that relationships,
still going to seek it out.Yeah, I'm going to be very sexually
driven because that was what was doneto me. So that's what I m
(27:07):
Yeah, abuse gets abuse, itdoes, and it fucks with your sexuality.
So sometimes there's a sense of likesex is the one thing that's going
to keep the relationship together. Yeah, that's fair. While in nineteen ninety
five she moved in with him,they both drank heavily. They fought out
in front of any establishment wherever theywere. Things would be fine one second
(27:30):
and then they were at each other'sthroats the next second. So everybody knew
and they're those people, they're thatcouple. Yep, everybody knew. It
was way on the open. Theyfought all the time. Yeah. In
nineteen ninety eight, she shared avideo of some items that Pricey had stolen
from work to his boss and Shesaid that she had recorded this as revenge
(27:52):
for his refusal to marry her,and initially she had planned on music as
blackmail, but after a fight gotparticularly he did and he beat her with
a belt, she decided to takeit further. Okay, And these were
items that were past their due date, that had been salvaged from a bin.
Yeah, but this was enough thatthe company fired him. Oh god,
(28:12):
okay, and this was a jobthat he had loved for seventeen years.
Well in their livelihood and their livelihoodexactly, so price he kicked her
out and she fled back to herlittle shack of horrors, and weren't spread
around town about how fucking just awfulshe had been. And it's surprised nobody,
Yeah, okay, nobody better thanI. But there's still not There
(28:34):
are no charges being pressed. Themen aren't taking out orders of protection against
her or anything like that. Yeah, not yet, okay. So Pricey
took her back a few months later, although he would not move her back
into his home. He lost alot of friends who would be nowhere near
him if she was anywhere around,just did not want to understandably, Yeah,
(28:56):
I mean yeah, So they resumedfighting and he would bring up her
getting him fired from the mine.Every no one knew they were awful for
each other, but they just couldn'tbe a part. Yeah, And from
some recollections of people, it seemedlike they were like, yeah, I
was just not out of the ordinary. It was a pretty typical relationship.
So apparently this was pretty like commonfor the area, like fights and fuck,
(29:19):
I mean it's a mining town,sure, okay, yeah, or
they're used to some level of domesticabuse, yes, which is yes,
that's true, you know. Yeah. So going forward from here, she
was allowed back into his home.Fights escalated again, and in February two
(29:40):
thousand, she stabbed him in thechest with a knife during an argument,
so he went to court got anorder to keep her away from his home.
Yes, good job. The sameday that he got this order,
he was in bed at eleven pmafter visiting with some neighbors. Catherine pulled
into the driveway, went in,watched TV for few minutes, and then
(30:00):
took a shower, and then shejoined him in bed and they had sex.
Good lord, buddy, you justgot an order of protection against her.
Yeah, And you're like, oh, hey, by I mean she's
using sex as a weapon, kindof a means of controlling these men.
Very much though, very much so. Yeah, well they had sex.
The next day, neighbors noticed thathis truck hadn't left for work as as
(30:25):
it usually would have been gone bythen. Yeah, I guess he got
another job. His employer also expressedconcern, and neighbors went to his bedroom
window. They knocked. They wentto his front door, and that's where
they saw a small amount of blood. They called the police. Okay,
so police arrived around eight am.They broke in through the back door,
and when they got in there theysaw something that they would never never be
(30:48):
able to forget, and that wassome of Price's skin hanging from hooks in
the archway doorway to the lounge.No great, huh great. They found
Pricey in the lounge on the floor, decapitated in a lot of blood.
Yeah. As they searched the housefurther, they found Catherine snoring loudly on
(31:10):
a double bed at the other endof the house. She was removed by
police and taken to a hospital andshe was in a coma like sleep like
couldn't wake her. She wash you'llfind out why, okay, okay,
And the following information is from awritten record of the detective who was the
first officer on the scene after thebody was discovered. Yeah, now you
think, okay, dead guy,no head, skin hanging, Yo,
(31:33):
this dude's been butchered, and that'spretty awful. But you know that's it
sure not even close. Okay,there's a lot, there's a lot.
Yeah. So Detective Peter Anthony Muciowalked into the yard and saw a cooked
piece of meat in the lawn andit was collective for analysis. Didn't know
what kind of mean it was.It's bad when you can't tell what kind
of means. I know what kindof meaned it's already and just what's going
(31:55):
on. I know, I knowwhat that ships her hand. I know
what kind of mean it is.I know what kind of uh huh.
So he went in through the reardoor and then he saw the human skin
hanging in the doorway, and hedescribed the skin as hanging from the archway
to the floor, and it appearedto be a whole human skin intact.
(32:19):
Ah, so, so the skinsuit. So Peter went into the lounge,
Detective Peter, and he saw theheadless and skinless body and a lot
a lot of blood. Some wassmeared on the wall, just everywhere.
He also went into the dining areafound a table set with placements for three
(32:40):
and clothes had been draped over thechair backs. I don't know why.
Okay. There was also a toolbag on the table with a folder,
a toy gorilla, and prescription medicineboxes. So like a bunch of empty
boxes of medicine. Okay, okay, those medicines were fellowed or ear five
million rams. Two boxes were empty, which is used for hypertension. An
(33:02):
empty box of twenty milligram Prindeville,which is also used for high blood pressure.
Okay, an empty box of Dappatabs if this would a full box.
It contained ninety tabs at two anda half milligrams each, also for
hypertension. So Peter went to thehuman pelt and noticed that it had hair
(33:22):
like black curly hair, yeah,pubic hair on the full pelts. The
edges were really smooth and had beendone with a very very sharp instrument.
Yeah. And there were also severalstab wounds in the pelt. Yeah.
I love calling it a pelt.Yeah, yeah, I mean that's what
I mean, That's what it is. It's not on our person anymore.
Yeah. So this is when Peternoticed blood leading into the kitchen and the
(33:44):
stovetop near the aluminum broiler. Thestove was off, but when he lifted
the lid, he noticed that thepot was still warm. In the pot
was a human head and veggies.Huh. There was also a baking dish
with the remains of veggies and someliquid. There were also two meals with
meat potatoes, pumpkin, zucchini,cabbage, squash, and gravy. And
(34:04):
the meat was similar to what wasfound in the yard. Yeah, okay,
no shoe. Yeah. There werealso more medication boxes around, one
for luvox, which is used totreat OCD yeah, and it is an
antidepressant SSRI. Yeah, And onefor aeropacks which is also an SSRI,
and then primithezene, which is usedfor allergies and nausea or also as a
set oftive. Okay, so thisis why Catherine was in a coma like
(34:27):
state. She had taken a lotof pills. Shit ton of meds.
Can't kill that bitch. Though therewas blood in the fridge on the handle
all over the kitchen. Microwave wasopen. Some cooking and smoking of cigarettes.
Head that had happened in there,okay for some time. Yeah.
Peter then investigated the body and therewas almost no skin exposed, muscle and
(34:49):
organs, and many stab wounds onthe left side of the chest. Jesus.
The meat that was served was piecesof prices butt, and the plates
were intended for her and his twochill grin when they came home. Okay,
she was going to feed him tohis kids. Yeah. I mean
she kind of left a mess,though, so I don't know if they
really would have been like, okay, let's say dinner. Hopefully they would
have first been very concerned and nothad an appetite and gotten the funk out
(35:13):
of there. Second, I wouldhope they would be like, we're not
eating our dad. It's obvious you'retrying to feed him. He was in
the right here, headless, hisskinless, hanging. I'm okay to eat
that. We're not stupid out ofyour damn mind. Yeah. Yeah.
Well. Detective Peter stated that everywherehe walked in the hallway was shoulder high
with blood. It was apparent thatPricey had fought each stab, and he
(35:35):
had attempted to turn on a light. He had even made it to the
front door and opened it, butthe screen door was closed and there was
blood on it, so he diedright there. Yeah. And then there
was obvious drag marks where she hadmoved the body into the middle of the
room. Okay, So he wasskinned fully avoiding the nose, ears,
and genital areas, and according toa forensic pathologist, this would have taken
(35:55):
about forty minutes with how skilled thekiller was. Okay, Throne was question
but not having any recollection of whathappened after they had had sex. So
none, no recollection, and yetyou expertly skinned this person. After she
recovered from an alleged suicide attempt,which was the swallowing of all the pills.
She was charged with John Price's murderout of hearing that they actually held
(36:16):
at her bedsite in a psychiatric wing. Oh wow. Okay, so they
took a special trip, yeah,to charge her with his murder. And
it was discovered that after she hadmurdered John, she went to town and
withdrew a thousand dollars from his bankaccount. Can't remember it though, Okay,
Okay, she killed him, Yeah, cleaned up, left to got
money from his bank account. Cameback skinned dim. I got some errands
(36:38):
to run. I gotta put thison pause for a few minutes. Yeah.
So in two thousand and one,Catherine originally pled not guilty, but
then changed her plea to guilty tospare the family of having to hear all
of the details of the murder.Oh interesting, which is interesting. Yeah,
And according to court psychiatrists, shewas perfectly sane when she committed the
(36:59):
murder. Yeah, perfectly say yeah. On November eighth, she was sentenced
to life in prison with no chanceof for roll. The judge made it
clear that her papers were to bemarked never to be released. Good and
she appealed the severity of the sentence, Which is crazy to me because you
literally skinned a man like a wholeman and cooked him, yeah, and
tried to feed him children. Butshe doesn't remember, fuck you. And
(37:21):
it was unclear if Catherine had eatenany of the parts of John that she
had cooked. It was hard totell. They couldn't really tell if all
of his pieces were I bet shehad. She tried that. She bet
she ate a little. She triedit. She tried it, but you
couldn't tell, because I mean,he had been heavily mutilated. Yeah,
and to this day she still maintainsthat she remembers them having sex climaxing.
He went to pee, she watchedhim come back, and they fell asleep,
(37:45):
and she is still locked up andin her sixties. Now great,
yeah, yeah, so to mesounds like bitch knew what she was doing
well for Like I get that maybeshe could have taken a lot of the
med's postitis after sex. Yeah,but they were in a toolbag on the
dining table, ended the kitchen,mix it along with like a bunch of
(38:06):
blood and stuff. Well, shewas able to skin him, expertly,
decapitate him, cook a three coursemeal using human meat. The people I've
seen that are so fucked up outof their minds on like benzos or alcohol
they can barely make a grill cheeseLike no, yeah, no, And
I mean this was done with skill, Like she was known in the area
(38:29):
for being like really fucking good ather job, really good at it.
Yeah, and she can't do thatkind of job if she's that fucked up,
No, because you start to losecontrol of your muscles, Like it
would have been like shittily done.Yeah, you know, there would have
been mistakes and stuff. No,she did a full like when I say
a full human skin, I meanentirely intact. Yeah. So yeah,
(38:50):
like that's that's pretty impressive, likenot impressive, but well, and that
means she's like peeling it, youknow, the whole thing and not to
be discussed sing, But there arelayers underneath the skin of fibers and muscles
and stuff like that that attached andyou have to do cut away. Yes,
you're pulling back, yes, tobe able to skin something. So
this was done meticulously, moment bymoment with her precious boning knives. Yes,
(39:16):
yes, yep, and uh andthat's it. So hey, thank
you guys for joining us. Thisone was a doozy. Yeah. If
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