March 29, 2021 • 32 mins
It's time for another round of Unsatisfactories! This week, we discuss emerging research about childhood schadenfreud and uncover the real reasons behind why your child is laughing at you as you burn yourself on the stove. Hint: Karma's a real beotch! We also explore a popular TikTok claim that chainsaws used to be used during childbirth. Spoiler alert- this claim is based in fact.
Links to stories covered:
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2013/06/03/kids-experience-schadenfreude-by-age-four-maybe-earlier/
https://inews.co.uk/light-relief/offbeat/chainsaws-invented-why-childbirth-tiktok-truth-origins-explained-756532
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All music (Creepy Comedy and Monsters in Hotel) is adapted from Rafael Krux original works (https://filmmusic.io/artists/rafael-krux) and is licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 International (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)
Links to stories covered:
https://digest.bps.org.uk/2013/06/03/kids-experience-schadenfreude-by-age-four-maybe-earlier/
https://inews.co.uk/light-relief/offbeat/chainsaws-invented-why-childbirth-tiktok-truth-origins-explained-756532
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All music (Creepy Comedy and Monsters in Hotel) is adapted from Rafael Krux original works (https://filmmusic.io/artists/rafael-krux) and is licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 International (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/)
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(00:16):
Welcome to terrible people doing terrible things. I'm Laura, a true crime and
horror fan who enjoys researching dark andtwisted stories. And I'm Amanda, and
I'm a licensed psychologist who enjoys studyingthe worst of humanity. And today we
are going to bring you another unsatisfactory, which is just the title we've come
up with for these little mini episodes. So it's not terrible information. That's
(00:41):
it's unsatisfactory. Yeah, it's great, it's still not good. It's still
not good. So I don't knowif you saw this, um, because
I know you are on TikTok moreregularly regularly than I am, because technology
this old can't figure it out.I don't know. It's I think it's
my short attentions. Well yeah,I mean it's quick, you know,
(01:03):
it's kind of that like fifteen second, sixty second, you know, onto
next thing, and its gratification.Yes, yes, So there apparently is
a viral TikTok claim about why chainsawswere invented. Have you heard this?
I have heard yeah this, Yeah, I heard this. It was actually
(01:26):
came up on my fo you page. Nice because you know me if it
has to do with anything horrible.It's on my fo you page. So
I did hear the the viroly reason. I have no idea if that is
true. I did not look itup whatsoever. But if it is true,
holy fucking shit. And I'll wait, I won't spoil it. I'll
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just let you go ahead and tellall the all the people out there.
Yeah, and this is from um. It is in news dot co.
Dot uk is the website where Ifound this information that I'm going to be
referencing today, and it's by AlexFinnis is the author of this little article.
(02:09):
And I'm not going to read likeverbatim. Yeah, however, I'm
going to use a lot of theinformation. So there is some truth to
the claims on TikTok that chainsaws wereinvented to help with childbirth. Okay,
this is this is true. Ifthere was a fact check, it would
be true with maybe a little bitof a caveat stipulations, yes, ari
(02:31):
stipulations, yes, um, youknow what. You know. What's funny
though, when it did come acrossand they were like childbirth, it didn't
even fucking phase me. I waslike, of course it would, You're
like, of course it was ofcourse it was, of course it was,
because I mean, we didn't evenlink looking at women's vaginas, and
then we didn't even practice giving,you know, delivering babies. Might as
(02:53):
well fucking get in there with achainsaw. To hear, God, just
get it over with. No onewants to see this. The hole's obviously
not big enough. Let's make itbigger with a chainsaw. It obviously is
not not So the first chainsaw wasinvented to be used in childbirth. Okay,
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that is true. What did itlook like? But exactly so,
there's this prototype and it was actuallycalled the osteo toone in osteo oh gosh,
bones, yeah, bone bone.It was to be able to cut
through bone, and it was.It has a little like hand crank and
everything. So I'm going to sharemy screen with you real quick because I
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have a picture of it. Andif you guys ever want to see what
we're sharing back and forth and everythinglike that, we do have a YouTube
channel where you can see our episodes, so check that out. Faces look
at these images. So here isthe very tiny handheld handheld. Yes it's
got the little rough, little chainon it. Is that to be inserted
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in the vagina. My guess isthat it would. So let's see.
It says that the procedure it wasused in symphia symphysio. Okay, I
can do this symph issia to mesymphysiotomy, symphysiotomy. So that was the
surgical procedure where they cut the cartilageof the pubic bone down there to help
(04:24):
widen the pelvis at so oh forwhen the baby's trapped. Yeah, so
if the baby gets trapped, can'tget it out? Oh and it says
there's no and there is no possibilityof performing Okay, yeah, okay,
So it's not so not as badas it seems in the sense that they're
just always whipping out this chainsaw tolike cut women's vaginas or something. I
(04:46):
am a little mad that that isthe early representation of what we know used
to cut fucking trees down, andwe're just strong. You got them.
Vagina surdy birth hips. This isbuilt like a tree. I mean,
look, it makes sense. Imean it's it almost looks similar to me
(05:08):
as a like a handheld drill thatthey used for drilling into craniums and stuff
like that. It's about what youdo with it. Yeah. So yeah,
it's used for a certain medical procedure. It wasn't used like a daily
gynecology. It was used to youknow, if it couldn't get the baby
out, they gotta Yeah, widn'tthat shit up? Yeah? Yeah,
(05:30):
well, and I mean it's it'swhat they had available technology was you know,
like the article's mentioning it used tojust be done with a knife.
I can't imagine how into bone intobone, Yes, I mean, like
and I've we cut like ribs andchicken you know here sometimes and it's hard
to do. This is why Icouldn't be a surgeon. Thought, Am
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I going to be thinking about thisnow when I'm cutting ribs and chicken?
Probably it's gonna happen for sure.Welcome to your new um synaps that just
formed. Yeah, neural connections andconnection forms. Now, so now you're
(06:15):
going to think about that. Andit seems like this was developed. Let's
see if there's a date, soback in at least the eighteen thirties.
Yeah, some form of this littlehandsaw develops it. I mean, come
on, it's probably a fucking greatit's probably a medical leap in the gynecology
field. Well it was, andI wonder how many things that were initially
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I mean, and we still havethese forms of like tools used in surgery.
They're just much more precise, smalleror less less torture device looking.
I don't think we use a receiptlike a so when they cut bone now
they don't use the mechanism whatever thatis called of the chain, Yes,
(06:59):
for the chain, so it's morelike because obviously, yeah, as that
is spinning around, you could bedamaging tissue that is up top of where
you're trying to push down and cutand stuff like that. So it's just
not very like precise precise. Sonow we have bone saws and stuff like
that that are electric that have youknow, a cover on the top and
then just this little like saw atthe bottom. And you know, obviously
(07:20):
things like that are safer, sothey're probably why this didn't you And this
was like all, let's cut downtrees with this. Yeah, and it's
safer even if it's being you know, the bone saws being used on a
cadaver, it's safer for the personfor forming the procedure because yeah, that's
sending bone chips flying bone dust.You did not want to breathe that in.
(07:42):
No, you don't want to breathethat in you could get hit with
like bonus sharp stradnel, Yeah,shrapnel, I imagine it. Just it
just wasn't a great layout and designfor what that, But it was a
great layout and design for cutting downtrees well, And it was a great
layout in his I'm compared to afucking kitchen knife or whatever kind of knife
they were using. Yeah, whateverthey were using before, it was better.
(08:07):
So but when you hear like onTikTok, when you're like, yeah,
that's the problem. Part of theproblem with TikTok is that people hear
things and they take these things.It's fact. But you have to understand
that people on TikTok and make whatevercontent they want, just like the rest
of the Internet. And you needto do your research when you hear things
before you tell other people this aspectwell, and you need to. And
(08:28):
I love that there's now this psychologiston TikTok that's taking some of the videos
that are false or misleading and debunkingthese myths. Are you talking about the
um the guy? No, it'sa it's a female. Really, she's
a professor and um, I can'tremember the name of her channel or her
(08:50):
idea or whatever on TikTok. Butshe is debunking things where it's like if
someone constantly laughs when they're around you, they love you or please. There
was another one that I was justlike, wow, how did this get
started? It's just somebody somewhere sittingin the room was like, hey,
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and it would be funny. Yeah, And that's all it takes. So
you know, it's just it's justa matter of you know, people are
like, oh, well, youshouldn't be able to make that content.
Then no, it's fine. Youshould do your research when you hear something,
yeah, and you should look itup and you should, you know,
make sure that it is fact beforeyou tell other people the same thing
as fact. Don't just latch ontoit without some level of scrutiny and suspend
(09:37):
what is it, um, disbelief? Yeah, suspended disbelief. What's the
can't think of the term for it. But it's where you leave open the
opportunity that the information may not becorrect. It's called religion. No.
Um, yeah, it's just likeI could or could not be true?
Who knows? Yeah, um,but yeah, but when you squirrel and
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TikTok and you hear like, ohit chainsaw was originally like, you're only
hearing a couple of seconds, andthe immediate thing you think of is a
fucking chain fucking husk varns yes inyour vagina sound yeah, yes, yeah,
yeah, it gave like I've heardit and it was very but no.
Yeah, because you're like, I'mpretty sure that they knew that those
(10:20):
were too big to get in there. She'd be dead, we'd all be
dead, no one, we wouldhave died of humans would have died as
a species. Yeah yeah, Sostop and just consider like how true does
this actually seem? Or just giveit a quick Google. I love doing
that. I love There's also thisthis wonderful Google option called Google Scholar.
(10:41):
Oh why didn't I use? Andyou can find primary source information. Sometimes
it's hard to find the PDF,but you can find the citations and the
abstract to a lot of scientific journalsand articles. And I love it,
love it, love it. SoI'm on there a lot anyone. If
anyone ever needs citation or writing advice, that Amanda's got you covered. Yes,
(11:07):
don't ask me though, because Icould barely spell potato, well I
can barely spell potato. I justknow where to where to find information about
I know where to look it up. So I've got one other small story
that is in no way connected.Well, I guess it is childbirth.
Okay, this is about kids.Deep Oh kids, Laura, So kids
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and the title of the article,and this is research digests. Speaking of
research the British Psychological Society, thereis an article from June third, twenty
thirteen, and the title is kidsexperience Schadenfreud by age four maybe earlier.
I've heard, Yes, a lotof I think a lot of people have
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heard it and unfortunately haven't looked intoit because I love this term, and
I'm going to explain it. SoSchadenfreud is the phenomenon where seeing another person
suffer, like if they deserve tosuffer, brings special pleasure. Oh,
it's a special type of pleasure.So like so as not a masochist,
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A not exactly a sadist or masochist. Sadist that's the word I was looking
for. A sadist, Yeah,not exactly a satist. So like Hitler,
most everyone can agree Hitler was anasshole. So when I learned he
had uncontrollable flatulence. I loved that. Yase fuck him. Yeah, so
that's an example of schadenfloyd to avery like minor extent because it's just flatulence.
(12:37):
Yeah so it's like not a major, major thing, but it's like
just a little It's like the ladythat you don't like across street, gut
or hair burned at the hairdresser.Yes, it's come up Ince, it's
come upance and you love that shit. Okay, So I love schadenfreie.
I like the love this phenomenon.And there is a new study that is
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the first to investigate, you know, can kids do kids start experiencing this?
Is this an adult phenomenators? Thisin children? Oh yeah, oh
yeah, kids are the worst.Oh my god. Kids aren't mean.
They are they're really mean mean,But they're also not very forward thinking.
So I don't know if they understandhow malicious. They don't. And that's
why we let them be malicious.It's because we know that they can't fucking
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help it. But they're still funningwell. And you can teach empathy,
Yeah, you can do a betterjob of teaching empathy than we have.
You need to teach empathy. Youneed to teach feelings and you need to
acknowledge your kids feelings when applicable todo so. And I finally thought of
that term, and it's the suspensionof disbelief. Ah ha ha snion of
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disbelief. Finally. So the studywas done by Katine Schultz and her colleagues,
and the way they designed the studywas they presented little picture stories to
one hundred different children, and theyaged and ranged from four years old to
eight years old, and fifty twoof the kids were girls, So fifty
two girls, forty eight boys,okay. And the stories involved a child
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that was either performing a good deedsuch as, you know, climbing a
tree gathering fruit for their brother,or a bad deed, which was a
kid climbing the tree to throw plumsat their brother. Okay, but it's
like are they doing it for goodreasons or are they being little shits about
it? And this was a story. And then the child would experience a
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misfortune. So like the girl climbingthe tree, regardless of the deed she
was performing, she would experience amisfortune in another part of the story,
and in this example, it wasfalling from the tree and getting hurt.
Okay, So what are they they'reshowing or they're telling the kids these stories,
and well they're showing them picture stories. So it's like, and what's
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the what are they looking for?Like, what are they or they're looking
to see how the children react,Oh when they see that picture. Yes,
so they're like, Okay, we'vegot a set of pictures where the
girl is performing a good deed andthen falling and getting hurt. And then
we've got a second set of pictureswhere the girl is performing a bad deed
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and then getting hurt. And they'relooking to see their reactions to each set
of stories. They laugh. Yeah, but so like they showed evidence of
Schottenfreud all ages across the board,and this the way they kind of explain
it. Here the kids were morelikely to say they were pleased and it
was funny if the story character hadexperienced falling from the tree, so this
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misfortune while they were engaging in thebad deed because they deserve it. Yeah,
and inherently, so here's the thingin the end, and it's a
moral like fucking debate, you know, back and forth about whether or not
and how we perceive this and stufflike that. But even without guidance from
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parental figures. You know the differencebetween right and wrong. Yes, you
may not know the intricacies of rightand wrong. There are some things that
maybe a little bit more on theline or in the gray well, or
too abstract at that age. Right, But on the base level, you
understand the societal norm of what's rightversus wrong, just inherently by growing up
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and aging. You get in trouble, you get rewarded when you're good,
you get in trouble when you're bad. You learn perspective taking and can understand
what it's like when another person's hurtbecause you've experienced something similar. Yeah,
so it doesn't surprise me at allthat they'd be like, well he was
being bad. Yeah. Yeah,that's basically all it is. It is
just like, well he deserved it. Yeah, it's like you shouldn't have
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been doing that. It almost feelslike cause and effect, even though it's
not. It's like, you dobad, bad things happen, you do
good bad things shouldn't happen. Yeah, which isn't always the way it works
out, because unfortunately that's not howkarma works well in just how dominoes all
sometimes how life works yeah, butyou know when it does happen that way,
and that's why. That's why thingslike when you watch videos about like
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instant karma and stuff like that,that's when those are just something about it
is just so enjoyable just to watchsomebody be so mean and so horrible and
then just immediately just get it rightthe fuck back, because you know,
and you know part of at leastpart of the reason why that happens,
other than just satisfaction, it's Ithink it fits in with this theory of
(17:33):
like a just world hypothesis, becausethat that is justice. If you do
bad, bad things happen. Wewant the world to be just. We
want the world to be predictable,so we strive for yeah, well,
and we need that, like wecrave control and we crave being able to
know the future. And it alsois that's protective protective mechanism, where like,
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so if I don't do bad things, a bad things won't happen,
right, which is the incentive forbeing good? Yes, you know,
or would be the incentive in aperfect world, The incentive would be you're
good, their life is good.You're bad. Their life is bad,
and you're good just because it's theright thing to do maybe, regardless of
the outcome. But the problem isthat life doesn't work that way, and
(18:19):
you can be the best person inthe world and still have terrible shit t
happened to you on the fucking regularYeah, and that's the I think that's
what keeps us from having like thatlike perfect system is because it just doesn't
work like that. Not everybody whodoes bad gets bad in return. No,
no, they do not. Theyget protected in a lot of cases.
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So the study there was also alittle bit more to it where overall,
like the children weren't just off thecharts in terms of like how much
pleasure, how funny they thought itwas. It was it was low.
Yeah, Like I mean it waslike, oh okay, yeah that makes
sense. That's kind of funny.So they're not just like getting their rocks
off, Yeah that's happening. Yeah, it's not like a serial killer.
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Yeah, it's different than a sadist, who is someone who inflicts pain because
they enjoy watching it on somebody else. So it's not like I'm not inflicting
anything, but I am laughing atwhat happened to you. Yeah, yeah,
and I am experiencing this little bitof joy and pleasure from it because
it's what's supposed to happen. It'slike satisfaction. They're satisfied, and then
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the other good part of the story. There was pretty much zero schadenfreud.
When the good character suffered misfortune,they were they were more sympathetic they and
they even had some sympathy for thebad characters. They were like a little
bit of pleasure. But I alsokind of feel sorry for him. And
that's the complexity of humans. AndI think that's what's so frustrating about like
growing up and not being able tolike talk about what you think or imagine
(19:49):
in your head. Yes, becauseyou know, there's you can feel sorry
for somebody. I can feel sorryfor a murderer, you know what I
mean. Look at some of theseserial killers and stuff like that. Do
I think that they're a good person? Yeah, But do I think that
some really awful things happen to themto bring them to that point? Yes?
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Yes, well and yeah, anddo I think they had the potential
to be a good person and wefailed them? If if things had gone
differently, if people had like someof the people who whose families are cool
to them and stuff like that,like, how do you expect them to
become anything else? You know whatI mean? And the and that's the
problem. You can go one wayor another, yeah, you know,
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but we don't know what exactly causesthat one way or another, and it's
different for every single fucking person.Yeah. Yeah, so you know,
there's no way to you know,to to gauge and to guess you know,
what that's going to look like.But yeah, and you never know,
like people can have the same exactexperiences and come out vastly different people,
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yeah, make vastly different choices.And so that's the difficult part.
It's like, Okay, is therea better way to predict whether the person
is going to come out this way? Be pretty high functioning, be making
good decisions, productive, emotionally intelligent, conductive, you know, resilience a
little more resilient, which that wordhas thrown around a lot. And then
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what about this other individual who youknow, experienced lots of PTSD, a
lot of internalized and externalized anger andhostility and is making these bad decisions and
can't function Like yeah, and Ithink we're getting better at identifying those those
pieces that kind of differentiate the twobut I think we learned. I don't
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think we're ever going to fully figureit out. Like I think we're going
to constantly be evolving and understanding more, but we're never going to fully understand
our own brains. Yeah, wedon't even We barely, like not barely.
We have a much better understanding onthe brain now than we did,
you know, hundreds of years ago, but we're still just scrape in the
(21:59):
fucking surface because there's some weird shitthat we don't understand, and there are
things that you can't predict that areyou know, trapped in somebody's brain.
But I don't know, I don'tknow. I don't think there's anything wrong
with like, especially when somebody hurtsyou, you know, getting pleasure from
when that person is hurt. Youknow what it means to me. And
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we should be honest about that withpeople, you know, Like when you
go to a trial or something.Let's say somebody broke into my house and
I fucking killed them, Okay,yeah, okay, defending myself. You
go to trial, you're getting suedfor by their family for killing their fucking
family, remember, or whatever else, So you're on the stand and you
have to I have to sit there, and I would have to have a
lawyer ask me, well, doyou feel and remorse? And I'm the
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kind of person where no, Idon't, because you got him into my
house with the intention of hurting me, Like and I've never killed anyone,
so I don't never know until likeif God forbid that actually fucking happened,
I'll never know. But in myhead, like the way that like I
think about things, if you comeinto my territory and try to hurt what
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is mine, I will hurt you. And I'm not going to feel bad
about it because you were doing somethingbad to start with. Why should I
think that you broke into my house? Yeah? Well, and I think
that's the very very logical response toit. You're well, you're angry,
you're defending yourself. You think Iwanted to kill somebody, it's you know
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what I mean? You think Iwant to be in court, you think
I want to be doing this,you know what I mean? Like,
it's we don't really think about it'slike, oh, do you feel remorse?
Should she Well, she's supposed tokind of it's not Devil's advocate,
but to kind of give my howI think I might be if that same
situation happened to me and I hadto kill somebody, And you're definitely more
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of like a like empathic blob.No, no, like you have a
lot of empathy for people you don'tknow. I have very little empathy for
people. Yeah, okay, Ihave a lot of empathy for my friends,
my family, you know, peoplethat I love. Yeah, I
have very little empathy outside of that. Really astute way to distinguish that,
(24:18):
good observation, which is why you'rea psychologist and I just research dark shit
because because my type of empathy wouldnot taking care of other people. You
just treat all your family members andyou quit within like a month of it
because it's awful. Let me justtell you how that would give. But
yeah, no, I think likeI think that. I think there'd be
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the part of me that very muchis like I had to do this.
I didn't have a choice. Itwas the best decision to make. But
then you would be, oh,I would feel terrible because I'd be like,
harry yourself apart. Yeah, Ohit's gonna it's gonna destroy me.
If I ever hit someone with mycar, if you had to, if
I ever have to defend myself andhurt somebody. It's it's going there's going
(25:02):
to be a lot of counseling Iam in and a lot of processing.
And that's okay. Like I wishI had a little bit more of your
perspective sometimes, but at the sametime I realize, see, sometimes I
wish I had more of your persisjust though, because my perspective makes me
look like a fucking serial killer ifin like social like it's like, I'll
(25:22):
have to look for some research.I got empathy because now I'm curious,
like I think it's more common thanyou think. Oh man, but people
make you so like I've been thisway my entire life. I have always
I've had people, I've always hadpeople take advantage of me because of how
empathetic I would be fashed. SoI have grown less and less and less
empathetic for people that I do notknow because I have been used over and
(25:45):
over and over again. Yeah formy empathy. So I learned not to
be that way anyway. But itdoes kind of come across bad when,
like you know, one of likemy mom is like so and so died
and I'm like, okay, likeI don't do they call me. Do
I talk to them or close?Do I know them? Then? No,
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I don't. My head is like, my brain is so broken.
I don't have the misery and despairto share it or well, And I
just wonder if it's again, ifempathy is a little bit more of a
spectrum. I mean in the senseof like kind of I mean, yeah,
you know, I do nice thingsbecause I don't have as much empathy
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for like, you know, andnot to derail this too much, finding
out Ruschel Limbaugh died, Oh Idon't care. I didn't really have empathy
for him. I have empathy forhis family. I don't I have empathy
for the people around him that maybe suffering. So that's the extent.
We're so different. Extent. Yeah, you're taking into account like you're you
know, but but there's a there'sa limit to my empathy, you know,
(26:53):
in that situation, Like I probablyhave more empathy for serial killers than
I do for him. Well,at least, you know, serial killers,
we do research that they went throughextreme, extreme traumas. So maybe
if I had done some research onhim, and I don't, I'm not
going to. But still it's notworth it. There's a difference between being
a hateful bigot and being damaged tothe point that you hurt other people.
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Yeah, yeah, And I thinkI guess that is like I don't know,
I was taught empathy, like myparents were always I'm always nice to
people, and I have a hardtime being mean to people and saying you
know what I actually think to people'sfaces and stuff like that, because I
have a hard time, you know, making people unhappy. But sure,
yes, but I also will notgo out of my way for you to
(27:41):
make me unhappy. Is what Ihad to like struggle with and kind of
get over. Is because you know, some people deserve my empathy, others
don't. Sure, you know,and it makes you sound like a bad
person. But it's like, Idon't know how to explain it correctly,
because it's not like I like goto the store and I bid ole lady
who's having a hard time like pickingup or carrying your groceries, I'm gonna
(28:03):
help her take her groceries. Yeah, it's not that you're not helpful.
It's not that you don't care,and it's not that you're not concerned.
You just don't have an emotional connectiontwo people. You don't know or choose
to interact with, right and somesome certain And it's not always the case
either. It's not just oh,it's it's everyone that I don't know,
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because there are certain stories that wedo, um like, um, was
it Banazuski, Yes, Girtrude Banazuski, Girtrude Banazuski, where like that story
made me sad, Oh yes,you know what I mean, Sylvia,
Yes, I feel for Sylvia.Oh yeah, But the problem is for
me that turns into like it's moreof like a sad rage yea where that
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person is dead. So Sylvia isdead, you know what I mean?
So to me, there's no pointin me being sad for her unless she
was there for me to like comfortor something. But there is reason for
me to be like angry, yesat the people who were still alive who
did it. Yes, well,and that the fact that it happened and
was allowed to happen, right,it's like a frustration and an anger,
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yes, yes, And when itcomes to people like that, like I
have no like I don't have empathyfor Gertrude. No, I have empathy
for the kids that were involved init, because I feel like they were
manipulated. Well, they were kids. Yeah, I mean, same thing
David is like he you know,coerced kids and helping, so like that,
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I feel bad for them, youknow what I mean, they were
they were young and impressionable. Whenit's it's a whole different thing when you're
dealing. There's a big difference betweena child and an adult. Yes,
you will find a lot more empathyfor me on children because they're not fully
formed, and they're not they're sovulnerable, too vulnerable. It's our job
to protect, to nourish, toyou know, form and shape and you
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know, let them think their ownopinions and shit. Yeah adults, no,
humans are assholes like all of yeah, across the board. And I
mean, I you know, oncea child starts screaming, I don't have
empathy for them, right, SoI think that's a name. I'm not
just necessarily this beacon of morality andempathy. Like I don't want to you
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misrepresent myself. No, you,I mean you are, You're just not
Like it's not maternal empathy, youknow what I mean. Well, it's
maternal empathy. Like if if akid fell down in front of me and
one's hurt I'm gonna want to help, sure, but it is the screaming
and the noise that will give mea almost an instant headache. And I
know that sounds fake, but it'snot, so I feel like it has
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to do with anxiety. Though,to be fair, I feel like that
is OK, because I also havea really bad reaction to children screaming because
it like it makes me panicky andlike sweaty. Oh yeah, and I
hate it and I don't feel likeI need to go take care of that
kid. I just wanted to stop. Oh well, yeah, that's that's
kind of the way I am.If it's not happening right in front of
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me and there's not a sign ofinjury or something. Yeah, so it's
just like the noise. I thinkmine's also that it just irritates the hell
out of me. Yeah, Imean, let's be honest. Kids screaming
is really irritating, and they reachsome offens pitchels like freaking like whistles,
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like a little screaming angry whistles demons. And we've already stated the kids are
mean too, so it's like,yeah, it makes it even harder to
care for them, Like, likeI know, you're I know you're defenseless
and you need me, but you'rekind of being an asshole. Maybe sometimes
they just fucking scream and I don'tknow what it means. Nothing that all
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sounds the same. You know,we need translators. You know those little
translators they have for languages that youcan put in your ear. Now,
Yeah, we need those for likecode. Yeah, Mom seem to have
it. I don't. I'm finewith not having it. I'm good.
But well, that is it forour little mini unsatisfactory story. She thought
I'd ruin your day with they weren'tthat bad Vagina chainsaws and take that with
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me. So I love Shot andTroy, But that's it, guys,
all right, thanks for tuning in. Yeah, we see
Welcome to terrible people doing terrible things. I'm Laura, a true crime and
horror fan who enjoys researching dark andtwisted stories. And I'm Amanda, and
I'm a licensed psychologist who enjoys studyingthe worst of humanity. And today we
are going to bring you another unsatisfactory, which is just the title we've come
up with for these little mini episodes. So it's not terrible information. That's
(00:41):
it's unsatisfactory. Yeah, it's great, it's still not good. It's still
not good. So I don't knowif you saw this, um, because
I know you are on TikTok moreregularly regularly than I am, because technology
this old can't figure it out.I don't know. It's I think it's
my short attentions. Well yeah,I mean it's quick, you know,
(01:03):
it's kind of that like fifteen second, sixty second, you know, onto
next thing, and its gratification.Yes, yes, So there apparently is
a viral TikTok claim about why chainsawswere invented. Have you heard this?
I have heard yeah this, Yeah, I heard this. It was actually
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came up on my fo you page. Nice because you know me if it
has to do with anything horrible.It's on my fo you page. So
I did hear the the viroly reason. I have no idea if that is
true. I did not look itup whatsoever. But if it is true,
holy fucking shit. And I'll wait, I won't spoil it. I'll
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just let you go ahead and tellall the all the people out there.
Yeah, and this is from um. It is in news dot co.
Dot uk is the website where Ifound this information that I'm going to be
referencing today, and it's by AlexFinnis is the author of this little article.
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And I'm not going to read likeverbatim. Yeah, however, I'm
going to use a lot of theinformation. So there is some truth to
the claims on TikTok that chainsaws wereinvented to help with childbirth. Okay,
this is this is true. Ifthere was a fact check, it would
be true with maybe a little bitof a caveat stipulations, yes, ari
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stipulations, yes, um, youknow what. You know. What's funny
though, when it did come acrossand they were like childbirth, it didn't
even fucking phase me. I waslike, of course it would, You're
like, of course it was ofcourse it was, of course it was,
because I mean, we didn't evenlink looking at women's vaginas, and
then we didn't even practice giving,you know, delivering babies. Might as
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well fucking get in there with achainsaw. To hear, God, just
get it over with. No onewants to see this. The hole's obviously
not big enough. Let's make itbigger with a chainsaw. It obviously is
not not So the first chainsaw wasinvented to be used in childbirth. Okay,
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that is true. What did itlook like? But exactly so,
there's this prototype and it was actuallycalled the osteo toone in osteo oh gosh,
bones, yeah, bone bone.It was to be able to cut
through bone, and it was.It has a little like hand crank and
everything. So I'm going to sharemy screen with you real quick because I
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have a picture of it. Andif you guys ever want to see what
we're sharing back and forth and everythinglike that, we do have a YouTube
channel where you can see our episodes, so check that out. Faces look
at these images. So here isthe very tiny handheld handheld. Yes it's
got the little rough, little chainon it. Is that to be inserted
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in the vagina. My guess isthat it would. So let's see.
It says that the procedure it wasused in symphia symphysio. Okay, I
can do this symph issia to mesymphysiotomy, symphysiotomy. So that was the
surgical procedure where they cut the cartilageof the pubic bone down there to help
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widen the pelvis at so oh forwhen the baby's trapped. Yeah, so
if the baby gets trapped, can'tget it out? Oh and it says
there's no and there is no possibilityof performing Okay, yeah, okay,
So it's not so not as badas it seems in the sense that they're
just always whipping out this chainsaw tolike cut women's vaginas or something. I
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am a little mad that that isthe early representation of what we know used
to cut fucking trees down, andwe're just strong. You got them.
Vagina surdy birth hips. This isbuilt like a tree. I mean,
look, it makes sense. Imean it's it almost looks similar to me
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as a like a handheld drill thatthey used for drilling into craniums and stuff
like that. It's about what youdo with it. Yeah. So yeah,
it's used for a certain medical procedure. It wasn't used like a daily
gynecology. It was used to youknow, if it couldn't get the baby
out, they gotta Yeah, widn'tthat shit up? Yeah? Yeah,
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well, and I mean it's it'swhat they had available technology was you know,
like the article's mentioning it used tojust be done with a knife.
I can't imagine how into bone intobone, Yes, I mean, like
and I've we cut like ribs andchicken you know here sometimes and it's hard
to do. This is why Icouldn't be a surgeon. Thought, Am
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I going to be thinking about thisnow when I'm cutting ribs and chicken?
Probably it's gonna happen for sure.Welcome to your new um synaps that just
formed. Yeah, neural connections andconnection forms. Now, so now you're
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going to think about that. Andit seems like this was developed. Let's
see if there's a date, soback in at least the eighteen thirties.
Yeah, some form of this littlehandsaw develops it. I mean, come
on, it's probably a fucking greatit's probably a medical leap in the gynecology
field. Well it was, andI wonder how many things that were initially
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I mean, and we still havethese forms of like tools used in surgery.
They're just much more precise, smalleror less less torture device looking.
I don't think we use a receiptlike a so when they cut bone now
they don't use the mechanism whatever thatis called of the chain, Yes,
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for the chain, so it's morelike because obviously, yeah, as that
is spinning around, you could bedamaging tissue that is up top of where
you're trying to push down and cutand stuff like that. So it's just
not very like precise precise. Sonow we have bone saws and stuff like
that that are electric that have youknow, a cover on the top and
then just this little like saw atthe bottom. And you know, obviously
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things like that are safer, sothey're probably why this didn't you And this
was like all, let's cut downtrees with this. Yeah, and it's
safer even if it's being you know, the bone saws being used on a
cadaver, it's safer for the personfor forming the procedure because yeah, that's
sending bone chips flying bone dust.You did not want to breathe that in.
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No, you don't want to breathethat in you could get hit with
like bonus sharp stradnel, Yeah,shrapnel, I imagine it. Just it
just wasn't a great layout and designfor what that, But it was a
great layout and design for cutting downtrees well, And it was a great
layout in his I'm compared to afucking kitchen knife or whatever kind of knife
they were using. Yeah, whateverthey were using before, it was better.
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So but when you hear like onTikTok, when you're like, yeah,
that's the problem. Part of theproblem with TikTok is that people hear
things and they take these things.It's fact. But you have to understand
that people on TikTok and make whatevercontent they want, just like the rest
of the Internet. And you needto do your research when you hear things
before you tell other people this aspectwell, and you need to. And
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I love that there's now this psychologiston TikTok that's taking some of the videos
that are false or misleading and debunkingthese myths. Are you talking about the
um the guy? No, it'sa it's a female. Really, she's
a professor and um, I can'tremember the name of her channel or her
(08:50):
idea or whatever on TikTok. Butshe is debunking things where it's like if
someone constantly laughs when they're around you, they love you or please. There
was another one that I was justlike, wow, how did this get
started? It's just somebody somewhere sittingin the room was like, hey,
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and it would be funny. Yeah, And that's all it takes. So
you know, it's just it's justa matter of you know, people are
like, oh, well, youshouldn't be able to make that content.
Then no, it's fine. Youshould do your research when you hear something,
yeah, and you should look itup and you should, you know,
make sure that it is fact beforeyou tell other people the same thing
as fact. Don't just latch ontoit without some level of scrutiny and suspend
(09:37):
what is it, um, disbelief? Yeah, suspended disbelief. What's the
can't think of the term for it. But it's where you leave open the
opportunity that the information may not becorrect. It's called religion. No.
Um, yeah, it's just likeI could or could not be true?
Who knows? Yeah, um,but yeah, but when you squirrel and
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TikTok and you hear like, ohit chainsaw was originally like, you're only
hearing a couple of seconds, andthe immediate thing you think of is a
fucking chain fucking husk varns yes inyour vagina sound yeah, yes, yeah,
yeah, it gave like I've heardit and it was very but no.
Yeah, because you're like, I'mpretty sure that they knew that those
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were too big to get in there. She'd be dead, we'd all be
dead, no one, we wouldhave died of humans would have died as
a species. Yeah yeah, Sostop and just consider like how true does
this actually seem? Or just giveit a quick Google. I love doing
that. I love There's also thisthis wonderful Google option called Google Scholar.
(10:41):
Oh why didn't I use? Andyou can find primary source information. Sometimes
it's hard to find the PDF,but you can find the citations and the
abstract to a lot of scientific journalsand articles. And I love it,
love it, love it. SoI'm on there a lot anyone. If
anyone ever needs citation or writing advice, that Amanda's got you covered. Yes,
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don't ask me though, because Icould barely spell potato, well I
can barely spell potato. I justknow where to where to find information about
I know where to look it up. So I've got one other small story
that is in no way connected.Well, I guess it is childbirth.
Okay, this is about kids.Deep Oh kids, Laura, So kids
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and the title of the article,and this is research digests. Speaking of
research the British Psychological Society, thereis an article from June third, twenty
thirteen, and the title is kidsexperience Schadenfreud by age four maybe earlier.
I've heard, Yes, a lotof I think a lot of people have
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heard it and unfortunately haven't looked intoit because I love this term, and
I'm going to explain it. SoSchadenfreud is the phenomenon where seeing another person
suffer, like if they deserve tosuffer, brings special pleasure. Oh,
it's a special type of pleasure.So like so as not a masochist,
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A not exactly a sadist or masochist. Sadist that's the word I was looking
for. A sadist, Yeah,not exactly a satist. So like Hitler,
most everyone can agree Hitler was anasshole. So when I learned he
had uncontrollable flatulence. I loved that. Yase fuck him. Yeah, so
that's an example of schadenfloyd to avery like minor extent because it's just flatulence.
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Yeah so it's like not a major, major thing, but it's like
just a little It's like the ladythat you don't like across street, gut
or hair burned at the hairdresser.Yes, it's come up Ince, it's
come upance and you love that shit. Okay, So I love schadenfreie.
I like the love this phenomenon.And there is a new study that is
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the first to investigate, you know, can kids do kids start experiencing this?
Is this an adult phenomenators? Thisin children? Oh yeah, oh
yeah, kids are the worst.Oh my god. Kids aren't mean.
They are they're really mean mean,But they're also not very forward thinking.
So I don't know if they understandhow malicious. They don't. And that's
why we let them be malicious.It's because we know that they can't fucking
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help it. But they're still funningwell. And you can teach empathy,
Yeah, you can do a betterjob of teaching empathy than we have.
You need to teach empathy. Youneed to teach feelings and you need to
acknowledge your kids feelings when applicable todo so. And I finally thought of
that term, and it's the suspensionof disbelief. Ah ha ha snion of
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disbelief. Finally. So the studywas done by Katine Schultz and her colleagues,
and the way they designed the studywas they presented little picture stories to
one hundred different children, and theyaged and ranged from four years old to
eight years old, and fifty twoof the kids were girls, So fifty
two girls, forty eight boys,okay. And the stories involved a child
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that was either performing a good deedsuch as, you know, climbing a
tree gathering fruit for their brother,or a bad deed, which was a
kid climbing the tree to throw plumsat their brother. Okay, but it's
like are they doing it for goodreasons or are they being little shits about
it? And this was a story. And then the child would experience a
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misfortune. So like the girl climbingthe tree, regardless of the deed she
was performing, she would experience amisfortune in another part of the story,
and in this example, it wasfalling from the tree and getting hurt.
Okay, So what are they they'reshowing or they're telling the kids these stories,
and well they're showing them picture stories. So it's like, and what's
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the what are they looking for?Like, what are they or they're looking
to see how the children react,Oh when they see that picture. Yes,
so they're like, Okay, we'vegot a set of pictures where the
girl is performing a good deed andthen falling and getting hurt. And then
we've got a second set of pictureswhere the girl is performing a bad deed
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and then getting hurt. And they'relooking to see their reactions to each set
of stories. They laugh. Yeah, but so like they showed evidence of
Schottenfreud all ages across the board,and this the way they kind of explain
it. Here the kids were morelikely to say they were pleased and it
was funny if the story character hadexperienced falling from the tree, so this
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misfortune while they were engaging in thebad deed because they deserve it. Yeah,
and inherently, so here's the thingin the end, and it's a
moral like fucking debate, you know, back and forth about whether or not
and how we perceive this and stufflike that. But even without guidance from
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parental figures. You know the differencebetween right and wrong. Yes, you
may not know the intricacies of rightand wrong. There are some things that
maybe a little bit more on theline or in the gray well, or
too abstract at that age. Right, But on the base level, you
understand the societal norm of what's rightversus wrong, just inherently by growing up
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and aging. You get in trouble, you get rewarded when you're good,
you get in trouble when you're bad. You learn perspective taking and can understand
what it's like when another person's hurtbecause you've experienced something similar. Yeah,
so it doesn't surprise me at allthat they'd be like, well he was
being bad. Yeah. Yeah,that's basically all it is. It is
just like, well he deserved it. Yeah, it's like you shouldn't have
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been doing that. It almost feelslike cause and effect, even though it's
not. It's like, you dobad, bad things happen, you do
good bad things shouldn't happen. Yeah, which isn't always the way it works
out, because unfortunately that's not howkarma works well in just how dominoes all
sometimes how life works yeah, butyou know when it does happen that way,
and that's why. That's why thingslike when you watch videos about like
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instant karma and stuff like that,that's when those are just something about it
is just so enjoyable just to watchsomebody be so mean and so horrible and
then just immediately just get it rightthe fuck back, because you know,
and you know part of at leastpart of the reason why that happens,
other than just satisfaction, it's Ithink it fits in with this theory of
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like a just world hypothesis, becausethat that is justice. If you do
bad, bad things happen. Wewant the world to be just. We
want the world to be predictable,so we strive for yeah, well,
and we need that, like wecrave control and we crave being able to
know the future. And it alsois that's protective protective mechanism, where like,
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so if I don't do bad things, a bad things won't happen,
right, which is the incentive forbeing good? Yes, you know,
or would be the incentive in aperfect world, The incentive would be you're
good, their life is good.You're bad. Their life is bad,
and you're good just because it's theright thing to do maybe, regardless of
the outcome. But the problem isthat life doesn't work that way, and
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you can be the best person inthe world and still have terrible shit t
happened to you on the fucking regularYeah, and that's the I think that's
what keeps us from having like thatlike perfect system is because it just doesn't
work like that. Not everybody whodoes bad gets bad in return. No,
no, they do not. Theyget protected in a lot of cases.
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So the study there was also alittle bit more to it where overall,
like the children weren't just off thecharts in terms of like how much
pleasure, how funny they thought itwas. It was it was low.
Yeah, Like I mean it waslike, oh okay, yeah that makes
sense. That's kind of funny.So they're not just like getting their rocks
off, Yeah that's happening. Yeah, it's not like a serial killer.
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Yeah, it's different than a sadist, who is someone who inflicts pain because
they enjoy watching it on somebody else. So it's not like I'm not inflicting
anything, but I am laughing atwhat happened to you. Yeah, yeah,
and I am experiencing this little bitof joy and pleasure from it because
it's what's supposed to happen. It'slike satisfaction. They're satisfied, and then
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the other good part of the story. There was pretty much zero schadenfreud.
When the good character suffered misfortune,they were they were more sympathetic they and
they even had some sympathy for thebad characters. They were like a little
bit of pleasure. But I alsokind of feel sorry for him. And
that's the complexity of humans. AndI think that's what's so frustrating about like
growing up and not being able tolike talk about what you think or imagine
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in your head. Yes, becauseyou know, there's you can feel sorry
for somebody. I can feel sorryfor a murderer, you know what I
mean. Look at some of theseserial killers and stuff like that. Do
I think that they're a good person? Yeah, But do I think that
some really awful things happen to themto bring them to that point? Yes?
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Yes, well and yeah, anddo I think they had the potential
to be a good person and wefailed them? If if things had gone
differently, if people had like someof the people who whose families are cool
to them and stuff like that,like, how do you expect them to
become anything else? You know whatI mean? And the and that's the
problem. You can go one wayor another, yeah, you know,
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but we don't know what exactly causesthat one way or another, and it's
different for every single fucking person.Yeah. Yeah, so you know,
there's no way to you know,to to gauge and to guess you know,
what that's going to look like.But yeah, and you never know,
like people can have the same exactexperiences and come out vastly different people,
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yeah, make vastly different choices.And so that's the difficult part.
It's like, Okay, is therea better way to predict whether the person
is going to come out this way? Be pretty high functioning, be making
good decisions, productive, emotionally intelligent, conductive, you know, resilience a
little more resilient, which that wordhas thrown around a lot. And then
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what about this other individual who youknow, experienced lots of PTSD, a
lot of internalized and externalized anger andhostility and is making these bad decisions and
can't function Like yeah, and Ithink we're getting better at identifying those those
pieces that kind of differentiate the twobut I think we learned. I don't
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think we're ever going to fully figureit out. Like I think we're going
to constantly be evolving and understanding more, but we're never going to fully understand
our own brains. Yeah, wedon't even We barely, like not barely.
We have a much better understanding onthe brain now than we did,
you know, hundreds of years ago, but we're still just scrape in the
(21:59):
fucking surface because there's some weird shitthat we don't understand, and there are
things that you can't predict that areyou know, trapped in somebody's brain.
But I don't know, I don'tknow. I don't think there's anything wrong
with like, especially when somebody hurtsyou, you know, getting pleasure from
when that person is hurt. Youknow what it means to me. And
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we should be honest about that withpeople, you know, Like when you
go to a trial or something.Let's say somebody broke into my house and
I fucking killed them, Okay,yeah, okay, defending myself. You
go to trial, you're getting suedfor by their family for killing their fucking
family, remember, or whatever else, So you're on the stand and you
have to I have to sit there, and I would have to have a
lawyer ask me, well, doyou feel and remorse? And I'm the
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kind of person where no, Idon't, because you got him into my
house with the intention of hurting me, Like and I've never killed anyone,
so I don't never know until likeif God forbid that actually fucking happened,
I'll never know. But in myhead, like the way that like I
think about things, if you comeinto my territory and try to hurt what
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is mine, I will hurt you. And I'm not going to feel bad
about it because you were doing somethingbad to start with. Why should I
think that you broke into my house? Yeah? Well, and I think
that's the very very logical response toit. You're well, you're angry,
you're defending yourself. You think Iwanted to kill somebody, it's you know
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what I mean? You think Iwant to be in court, you think
I want to be doing this,you know what I mean? Like,
it's we don't really think about it'slike, oh, do you feel remorse?
Should she Well, she's supposed tokind of it's not Devil's advocate,
but to kind of give my howI think I might be if that same
situation happened to me and I hadto kill somebody, And you're definitely more
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of like a like empathic blob.No, no, like you have a
lot of empathy for people you don'tknow. I have very little empathy for
people. Yeah, okay, Ihave a lot of empathy for my friends,
my family, you know, peoplethat I love. Yeah, I
have very little empathy outside of that. Really astute way to distinguish that,
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good observation, which is why you'rea psychologist and I just research dark shit
because because my type of empathy wouldnot taking care of other people. You
just treat all your family members andyou quit within like a month of it
because it's awful. Let me justtell you how that would give. But
yeah, no, I think likeI think that. I think there'd be
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the part of me that very muchis like I had to do this.
I didn't have a choice. Itwas the best decision to make. But
then you would be, oh,I would feel terrible because I'd be like,
harry yourself apart. Yeah, Ohit's gonna it's gonna destroy me.
If I ever hit someone with mycar, if you had to, if
I ever have to defend myself andhurt somebody. It's it's going there's going
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to be a lot of counseling Iam in and a lot of processing.
And that's okay. Like I wishI had a little bit more of your
perspective sometimes, but at the sametime I realize, see, sometimes I
wish I had more of your persisjust though, because my perspective makes me
look like a fucking serial killer ifin like social like it's like, I'll
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have to look for some research.I got empathy because now I'm curious,
like I think it's more common thanyou think. Oh man, but people
make you so like I've been thisway my entire life. I have always
I've had people, I've always hadpeople take advantage of me because of how
empathetic I would be fashed. SoI have grown less and less and less
empathetic for people that I do notknow because I have been used over and
(25:45):
over and over again. Yeah formy empathy. So I learned not to
be that way anyway. But itdoes kind of come across bad when,
like you know, one of likemy mom is like so and so died
and I'm like, okay, likeI don't do they call me. Do
I talk to them or close?Do I know them? Then? No,
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I don't. My head is like, my brain is so broken.
I don't have the misery and despairto share it or well, And I
just wonder if it's again, ifempathy is a little bit more of a
spectrum. I mean in the senseof like kind of I mean, yeah,
you know, I do nice thingsbecause I don't have as much empathy
(26:29):
for like, you know, andnot to derail this too much, finding
out Ruschel Limbaugh died, Oh Idon't care. I didn't really have empathy
for him. I have empathy forhis family. I don't I have empathy
for the people around him that maybe suffering. So that's the extent.
We're so different. Extent. Yeah, you're taking into account like you're you
know, but but there's a there'sa limit to my empathy, you know,
(26:53):
in that situation, Like I probablyhave more empathy for serial killers than
I do for him. Well,at least, you know, serial killers,
we do research that they went throughextreme, extreme traumas. So maybe
if I had done some research onhim, and I don't, I'm not
going to. But still it's notworth it. There's a difference between being
a hateful bigot and being damaged tothe point that you hurt other people.
(27:17):
Yeah, yeah, And I thinkI guess that is like I don't know,
I was taught empathy, like myparents were always I'm always nice to
people, and I have a hardtime being mean to people and saying you
know what I actually think to people'sfaces and stuff like that, because I
have a hard time, you know, making people unhappy. But sure,
yes, but I also will notgo out of my way for you to
(27:41):
make me unhappy. Is what Ihad to like struggle with and kind of
get over. Is because you know, some people deserve my empathy, others
don't. Sure, you know,and it makes you sound like a bad
person. But it's like, Idon't know how to explain it correctly,
because it's not like I like goto the store and I bid ole lady
who's having a hard time like pickingup or carrying your groceries, I'm gonna
(28:03):
help her take her groceries. Yeah, it's not that you're not helpful.
It's not that you don't care,and it's not that you're not concerned.
You just don't have an emotional connectiontwo people. You don't know or choose
to interact with, right and somesome certain And it's not always the case
either. It's not just oh,it's it's everyone that I don't know,
(28:25):
because there are certain stories that wedo, um like, um, was
it Banazuski, Yes, Girtrude Banazuski, Girtrude Banazuski, where like that story
made me sad, Oh yes,you know what I mean, Sylvia,
Yes, I feel for Sylvia.Oh yeah, But the problem is for
me that turns into like it's moreof like a sad rage yea where that
(28:52):
person is dead. So Sylvia isdead, you know what I mean?
So to me, there's no pointin me being sad for her unless she
was there for me to like comfortor something. But there is reason for
me to be like angry, yesat the people who were still alive who
did it. Yes, well,and that the fact that it happened and
was allowed to happen, right,it's like a frustration and an anger,
(29:15):
yes, yes, And when itcomes to people like that, like I
have no like I don't have empathyfor Gertrude. No, I have empathy
for the kids that were involved init, because I feel like they were
manipulated. Well, they were kids. Yeah, I mean, same thing
David is like he you know,coerced kids and helping, so like that,
(29:38):
I feel bad for them, youknow what I mean, they were
they were young and impressionable. Whenit's it's a whole different thing when you're
dealing. There's a big difference betweena child and an adult. Yes,
you will find a lot more empathyfor me on children because they're not fully
formed, and they're not they're sovulnerable, too vulnerable. It's our job
to protect, to nourish, toyou know, form and shape and you
(30:02):
know, let them think their ownopinions and shit. Yeah adults, no,
humans are assholes like all of yeah, across the board. And I
mean, I you know, oncea child starts screaming, I don't have
empathy for them, right, SoI think that's a name. I'm not
just necessarily this beacon of morality andempathy. Like I don't want to you
(30:23):
misrepresent myself. No, you,I mean you are, You're just not
Like it's not maternal empathy, youknow what I mean. Well, it's
maternal empathy. Like if if akid fell down in front of me and
one's hurt I'm gonna want to help, sure, but it is the screaming
and the noise that will give mea almost an instant headache. And I
know that sounds fake, but it'snot, so I feel like it has
(30:45):
to do with anxiety. Though,to be fair, I feel like that
is OK, because I also havea really bad reaction to children screaming because
it like it makes me panicky andlike sweaty. Oh yeah, and I
hate it and I don't feel likeI need to go take care of that
kid. I just wanted to stop. Oh well, yeah, that's that's
kind of the way I am.If it's not happening right in front of
(31:07):
me and there's not a sign ofinjury or something. Yeah, so it's
just like the noise. I thinkmine's also that it just irritates the hell
out of me. Yeah, Imean, let's be honest. Kids screaming
is really irritating, and they reachsome offens pitchels like freaking like whistles,
(31:27):
like a little screaming angry whistles demons. And we've already stated the kids are
mean too, so it's like,yeah, it makes it even harder to
care for them, Like, likeI know, you're I know you're defenseless
and you need me, but you'rekind of being an asshole. Maybe sometimes
they just fucking scream and I don'tknow what it means. Nothing that all
(31:51):
sounds the same. You know,we need translators. You know those little
translators they have for languages that youcan put in your ear. Now,
Yeah, we need those for likecode. Yeah, Mom seem to have
it. I don't. I'm finewith not having it. I'm good.
But well, that is it forour little mini unsatisfactory story. She thought
I'd ruin your day with they weren'tthat bad Vagina chainsaws and take that with
(32:19):
me. So I love Shot andTroy, But that's it, guys,
all right, thanks for tuning in. Yeah, we see
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