March 8, 2021 • 23 mins
Join us for a new kind of terrible: Unsatisfactories! These will be shorter and somewhat lighter episodes that are still exploring the less desirable facets of humanity and the animal kingdom. It's not quite terrible, but it is unsatisfactory. This week, we discuss emerging research about mass shooters and mass killers in general that seems to debunk previously held assumptions about their mental and emotional health. We also share a lighthearted story about one man's quest to let his neighbor know, "Hey... Your cat's kind of an asshole."
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(00:15):
Welcome to terrible people doing terrible things. I'm Laura, a true crime and
horror fan who loves talking about terriblestuff. And I'm Amanda, and I'm
a licensed psychologist who enjoy studying theworst of humanity. And everyone, please
welcome to the new format. We'retrying a new format we're trying and we
are calling these unsatisfactories because it's notquite as bad as terrible. Yeah,
(00:41):
we're gonna do little snippets in betweenbetween our episodes about truly horrifying and terrible,
terrible people. We're gonna throw insome you know, mildly unsatisfactories.
Yeah. So yeah, let usknow if you like it. Yeah,
let us know what you think.It give hopefully a little bit of a
palate cleanser between our heavier hitting,depressing degree research stories. Yeah, so
(01:07):
we'll see how this goes. Butlet's see, I'm going to start out
a little light. So this iskind of getting back into that vein of
the animals or assholes segments we didfor a little while. Yeah, and
I found this um image on Reddit, but it also just exists in the
interwebs somewhere as well. So thisguy has been posting these what looks like
(01:32):
kind of lost dog or lost catsigns around his neighborhood. But this one's
a little a little difference, soI'm gonna read it. So this guy's
posted this, and he's got animage of the cat at the bottom,
and here's how it reads. Sothe headline is, do you own a
stocky gray cat with a blue tagand a shit attitude? The next heading,
(01:53):
please consider keeping your monster inside.Your cat has attacked my cat at
least a dozen times on my property. It has stalked her in my backyard,
attacked her on both porches, andlast summer chased her inside my house
where it was insanely difficult to getout because of how aggressive it is.
In the last two weeks, ithas attacked her three times and tried to
(02:14):
attack me twice, literally lunging itmy face when I was trying to separate
it from my cat. It isirresponsible for you to be letting your cat
outside when it is this predatory andviolent. Maybe your cat was born an
asshole, or maybe it's a sideeffect of a medical condition. Aggression in
cats can be a sign of conditionslike toxoplasmosis, hyperthyroidism, epilepsy, absesses,
(02:37):
arthritis, dental disease, rabies,trauma, sensory decline, or cognitive
dysfunction. So please take your animalto the vet and keep it inside.
I live at blank if you wantto talk about it. And then at
the bottom, next to the pictureof the cat, the ship cat they
posted says an unwelcome and unfortunate sidingof the catus eratus satanas. I know
(03:02):
the Latin for satan, I'm prettysure, but I'm pretty sure that's what
that is. Yeah, that's hilarious. It sounded like a fucking um like
a commercial for a pill. Yourcat could be experiencing the following arthritis liver
damn it like and it's funny becauselike, cats are assholes in general.
(03:25):
I have two cats, like theirdicks, but like my cats are sweet.
But there are some cats who arelike, you know, like Jason's
cat Kayla, who's just a fuckingdemon for no reason. She's always been
that way. From kitten on.This could be a post about Kayla.
Maybe we should let Jason know.Yeah, she's not stocky and gray though,
(03:46):
so she doesn't she doesn't get outno, thank god, thank god,
because like when we I lived withJason, and that cat would trap
me in the bathroom, like legitimately, I would go into my bathroom,
separate bathroom, closed the door,opened, the door, sprawled out across
the door and like I'm like moveplease all right? She kisses m m
(04:12):
mmmmm. They always like to hidein the darkest places in the home too.
She would hide behind boxes and jump. Yeah, my sister's cat hated
me, didn't attack any other fuckingperson. And this was after she had
moved out and was married and I'dcome to visit and she had this black
cat named Smokey. Smokey is themascot for the ut balls. It's a
(04:32):
dog. Oh, Smokey's name witha mascot for the ut valls, So
that's where that comes from. ButSmokey would hide, and he was black,
all black cat. He'd hide likein their little hallway closet that didn't
have a door, that just wasshelving for like towels and shit. Yeah,
and I'd walk past and I wouldn'tbe looking, and I'd just hear
(04:54):
this, Okay as I'm walking past. It's terrifying because you don't know where
they are. You don't know wherethey're coming from. They could be above
you. Like cats are demonic.I like, there's a reason why Egyptians
worship them. Oh yeah, yeah. Keep your friends close and your enemies
closer, and make your enemies yourgods. It's kind of how the Egyptians
(05:15):
roll. So I don't know.Cat. That cat didn't like me.
Yeah, it was weird. Idon't my dad could pick it up,
cuddle it. I would look atit and it would hiss, like its
this to peoples, though, you'reafraid of that. But I want to
cuddle it. I just want tocuddle. I like cats. I know
(05:36):
I know your allergic? Do Iknow? I am? I am pretty
damn allergic, pretty allergic. Mycat tries to kill you when you come
over here. I know it's sofluffy and it's not fair. I know
they know when you can't, whenyou can't. I'm like, not that
it's exactly relatable, but I'm like, is this how a diabetic feels when
(05:58):
they see a cake? I justwant it. I just wanted to look
so soft and fluffy. That's likedelicious. Jason's cat calea beautiful cat,
very sageous. She knows she's pretty, can't get her, can't pet her,
like anytime you go anywhere near orshe'll turn around just claw the shit
out of you. It's like,fine, they'll be fluffy over there.
(06:21):
I guess, Yeah, you gobe fluffy and beautiful and exotic looking over
there, and I just won't touchyou. Well you hiss at me from
across the room. I don't blamethis guy for for putting up signage because
his poor cat is getting the shitbeat out of it. Yeah, well,
and it sounds like he's finding thehumor in it to stummach this point.
(06:42):
Yeah, to a point like he'sbut he's like, hey, your
cat's a fucking menace. Cat's aproblem, and I'm I'm worried about its
health, to be completely honest withyou. So that's kind of a little
lighthearted hearkening back to the animals beingassholes situation. But there was another report
I ran across that I think itpopped up on Reddit too. I was
(07:04):
on Reddit a lot this week,and there's been some new information released in
terms of the psychological profiles of massshooters. So and this was released February
eighteenth, twenty twenty one by ColumbiaUniversity Irving Medical Center, so very reputable.
Wow and recent, yeah, veryrecent, very reputable medical center in
(07:27):
university, and a research team atthe Center of Prevention and Evaluation at Columbia
University and New York State psycho Hospital. They found that, contrary to popular
belief, serious mental illness was presidentand only eleven percent of all mass murderers
and only eight percent of mass shooters. Interesting, and that's almost verbatim from
(07:53):
their little initial paragraph. I don'twant to take credit for that's very interesting,
Yeah, very interesting because yeah,so it's easy to explain away um
murders and violent crimes and stuff likethat by just simply saying, oh,
the person is mentally ill. Butit's not always the case, you know
what I mean. And it's surprisingto me to find out that mass shooters
(08:18):
on an average don't have any mentalillnesses. Yeah, like the vast majority.
I guess if mass shooters were notfound to have serious mental illness,
and then that would be eighty ninepercent of mass murders as well. I
didn't have that. So just becausethey're not mentally ill doesn't mean that they
(08:41):
weren't experiencing some type of trauma orsomething. That because I know a lot
of times it's like either like angeror bullying or hate groups. Yes,
and things like the communities they're in, the people they're around, right,
right, But that's interesting. Theycreated this whole database and it included like
(09:05):
almost fifteen thousand murders, a reviewof almost fifteen thousand different murders that had
occurred between nineteen hundred and twenty nineteen. And let's see, they analyzed like
several different types of mass murder fromall over the world, and they put
mass shooters into their own category outof these mass murders, and then everyone
(09:26):
else was lumped into mass murder.And this one included like whether they used
fire, explosives, poisons, stabbing, blodgeting, driving people, so like
any kind of like murder incident thatwas more than like like I think it
has to be more than like threeor something. Yes, no, that's
(09:46):
serious, something like that too.It goes back and forth whether it's just
two or three I think, dependingon what you read and okay, what
you listen to. But um,interesting, So yeah, they kind of
they took mass shooters and they distinguishedthat. And you said, only eleven
percent of mass shooters or eleven percentof the mass murderers and eight percent of
mass shooters, so even smaller elevenpercent of all the other group together.
(10:11):
That's interesting. It's because it's like, yeah, there has to be motivation
for doing it, right, therethere is, yeah, and they there
always is. So what they endedup finding was that the US based mass
shooters were more likely to have somehistory in the legal system, use drugs
or alcohol, misuse drugs or alcohol, that's a key term there, and
(10:35):
then have histories of non psychotic psychiatricsymptoms. So again it's they don't it's
not that they don't have mental illnessnecessarily, but it's not cereal or serious
mental illness, cereal super cereal.Um, it's not schizophrenia, it's not
psychosis. It's not the heavy hittinglike the heavy hitters. Yeah, it's
(10:56):
not something we can just easily useto explain a way what they did,
Like they could have depression or yes, right, things like that, but
it's not like, oh, theywere, you know, schizophrenic and hallucinating.
Yeah, it's it's not like itwas just they were in their right
minds when they they're just they're they'rea regular person with regular issues who escalated
(11:18):
outside of the regular means of handlingthose issues. Yea. So, and
they also kind of talk about howthey believe a lot of these people,
outside of just substance abuse legal problems, have difficulty coping with life events,
so lack of coping mechanisms, whichmakes sense to me. If you can't
cope, it's gonna build up,you're gonna lash out. Well, there
(11:39):
was that there was that guy thatum oh, I forget what his name
was. I think it was inCalifornia where he filmed the video of himself
before the mass shooting. I thinkwhere he was like talking about like women
turning him down and I'm talking aboutone of the in cell people he might
have been happen. Did he havelike a little manifesto too? Yes he
(12:03):
did, Yes he did. Anda lot of it was like about how
other people like treated him. Iremember was his name Eric or something,
I'm not sure. Elliot Roger.Yep. It was an e closer than
I thought I was gonna be.So he liked Elliot Roger. So he
(12:24):
like filmed that whole thing about howlike, oh, women don't like me,
and you know whatever. I don'tknow. Mass shootings and stuff are
interesting to me because there is nolike victimology. Well yeah, I mean
I guess there can be if it'slike someone goes and shoots up the workplace
or something, but like well schools, yeah, but like in public open
(12:48):
shootings, yes, you're just gettingas many people as you could get and
people hitting people with their fucking carsall the time. Now, like in
Paris, is that where that happens, Well, there was a plane was
there a train bombing in Paris too? There was a lot that happened in
Paris. No, No, I'mtalking about the guy who drove through the
crowd of people in like a vanand just hit like a ton of people
who were protesting or gathering whatever theywere doing. And then the Boston marathon
(13:15):
bombing, the Boston h bombing.Is a lot did just in Tennessee.
Yes, But the bombing of SecondAvenue Broadway downtown Nashville, Yes, that
wasn't a mass murderer because you know, nobody was. I think only one
person was killed, but like thatcould have been yeah people you know,
oh god, they find out whodid that, Yes, they found out,
(13:37):
They apprehended him. He was partthey believe his deal was that he
he was worried about what five Gwas going to do. He was kind
of a conspiracy believer, and hebelieved five G was somehow like gonna be
in planting chips, and so hewasn't trying to hurt people. And he
(14:01):
actually the RV that was set upthat exploded had an announcement going saying get
out of the area. And Iget that, I get that you still
hurt people, though, well,yeah, it's still not okay, Like
you still hurt people. Pretty sureyou killed somebody too, you know what
I mean. It's not okay.No, it's not an okay. But
I have more sympathy for him thanthe people that like fucking up. It
(14:22):
sounds like he was like maybe likea tinfoil hat kind of you know.
Yeah, and his intention was justto dismantle the system, not hurt people.
Yeah, which is fair. Iguess it's I mean, it's still
a bad way to go about it. Oh yeah, it's misinformed. It's
dangerous. It's not to me.He's someone that I would think would more
(14:45):
likely have a serious mental illness.It's possible he doesn't. People can believe
conspiracies. I'm not super mentally ill. But he to me would more likely.
And I mean I get it,Like technology is scary, Like what
we can do with technology is terrifying. But we're in the technology technological age,
and yeah, I mean that's it. This isn't going to go away
(15:07):
anytimes barring some major catastrophic societystopian ship. Yeah, our e MFS or whatever.
It's gonna keep progressing. It's gonnakeep growing, right, And it's
and it is scary because you know, one day we could get to the
point where people could read you know, thoughts or something if they had you
hooked up to something, or youknow, we'll understand the human brain more.
(15:31):
But to go to such means totry and stop some especially because you're
like, Okay, this guy thinksthat five G is going to I don't
know, implant microchips or yeah,whatever you think taking out the five G
of one place like is gonna do. And like, I just don't think
people think very far outside of theirown situations. Yeah, affect them,
(15:52):
Yeah, because it's like you youwant to dismantle five G. Do you
know actually what that would take andwhat a system global wide like attack that
would have to be to be ableto do something like that. So why
to be a hacker? Yeah,so why set off bombs? You know?
But I guess desperate not thinking peoplenationally, So you're not and you're
(16:15):
feeling desperate. And that's what's terrifyingto me about people is like nothing in
no horror movies. Nothing scares meas much as the propensity of people to
like to kill, commitment, inciteviolence. Yeah, and just like some
of the things that we as humansdo to other humans. I don't know
(16:37):
of a single animal species and theremay be one out there the tortures its
own species. Oh yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. I
mean like otters and stuff like that. They do some pretty fucked up stuff,
like dolphins, but not to theirown. Dolphins rape their own,
right, do they? I thoughtthey raped us and other animals rape.
I thought they just raped. I'mnot sure. I didn't know it was
(17:00):
an all animal but it's stuff rape. I don't know the animals really consent,
seems like like seems yeah when whenwhen the animal kingdom? When they're
made with like barbed dicks so thatthey can hold on like that, Oh
my god, ducks or ducks,corkscrew or ducks or the corkscrew. Cats
have barbed penises so they can holdon. I don't understand mother nature sometimes,
(17:25):
so so let's be honest here,like all animals, but like torturing,
torturing is something that is like reallyreally specific to us. Yeah,
why is that? Yeah, that'swhat fascinates me. And this is the
whole reason I love talking about thiskind of stuff. Well, it is,
but it's interesting because that also makesme think about cats playing with their
(17:45):
kill. Now, cats are oneof the only animals that's like their pleasure
center in their brain lights up,but they are considered like the psycho,
like the psychos of the animal.Yeah, it's you know what I'm interesting,
So, like you know, andand is that what happens? I'd
be I'd love to know if likeparts of guys brains are lighting up when
(18:06):
they're doing these things. Someone hasto have done a study of like using
an fMRI or MRI on killers andmurders, at least watching footage of those
things, well, watching or recallingtheir their memories and stuff to actually be
able to like monitor while it's happening, which I mean you wouldn't because then
(18:27):
you do while they're doing somebody killingsomebody else. It's just it's just this
is why it's so fascinating to me, because it's just we we don't know
anything. Yeah, no, notnot in terms of the vast amount of
knowledge and the answers we haven't uncoveredyet, and the variables, Like everybody's
(18:47):
brain is different. Yeah, we'rewired a little different. Yeah, that's
terrifying. Well, and as soonas something happens, things shift, you
know a little bit in terms ofyour internal beliefs, the the mechanisms,
the neuro what do they call it, the neurological wiring of the brain.
You know, can be fundamentally changedif an event is traumatic enough or significant
(19:11):
enough too. So it's like westart out pretty much the same fucking blank
slate, but like anything can happen. Yeah, it's very divergent over time
as we experience different things in life, head injury, trauma, abuse,
you know what I mean. Itall shapes the brain, chronic illness,
access to food and water versus lackof access to food and water, and
(19:33):
the adaptability of people too. Youhave to think about like people who have
been kidnapped and wound up being withtheir you know, kidnavers for nine years
or something like that. The adaptabilityof the human brain to be able to
like take that and be like,Okay, this is our new reality.
So we're just gonna we're gonna changeso that we can live through this.
Yeah, we're going to function inthis environment somehow fascinating. Resilience fascinating.
(20:00):
But yeah, I found that information. I thought it was interesting. Pick
your brain a little bit. Butit is interesting because you would just assume,
well, it's what we hear.Yeah, oh, you must be
psychotic, crazy, you know,it's what we hear. It we hear
that they've slipped through the cracks inthe mental health system. So everyone starts
pointing the fingers at us and sayingthat we're failing. And I'm like,
(20:23):
it's not quite exactly what's going.The mental health professionals aren't failing. The
system is failing, yeah, andsociety is failing. We don't have it
set up like it's not like it'sit's not cheap to go see a psychiatrist.
It's not cheap to get medication tohelp you with you know, mental
illness and stuff like that, andit's usually something that has to be initiated
(20:47):
by the person. Yes, andif you don't want yeah, or can't
come out of your own reality enoughto be able to accept help. Then
a lot of times, because nobodycan get in there, Yeah, like
you can. You can make yourkids come see me for counseling, doesn't
mean he's going to get better.And there's a lot I can try to
do to connect with that child,but if they don't want it, they
don't want it. And I'm nota wizard, I'm not a magician.
(21:08):
You're also not a mind reader.Yeah, so you also your job depends
on because I know I lied topsychologists and psychiatrists left and right as a
teenager. Yeah, all the time. I think I downplayed certain things because
I didn't want my certain people toget in trouble. I didn't want like
people to get in trouble. Ididn't want them to know that I was,
you know, suicidal, or thatI had been thinking about Like I
(21:30):
didn't want to be put in amental hospital. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't want any of that.And a lot of times I didn't trust
my medical professionals, especially cough coughone individual, so like I didn't trust
him, and I wouldn't take mymedications and stuff yeah, you know,
your job is not easy. Yourjob, and it's not like just being
(21:52):
like a surgeon or something where it'slike, oh, I opened it up,
I take this out and put thisover here. I stitch it up
all better. I can see what'swrong all better. You can't see what
everyones assisting me in the surgery.Yeah, you have to rely on your
patients information. And every doctor inthe world knows that patients lie. Oh
yeah, oh yeah. Well,and not to say surgeries easy by any
(22:15):
means. And I'm sure if theydeal with all kinds of unknowns and pressures.
No, of course, not totallydifferent, but I'd say there's like
more clear cut information there. Sometimesit is because it's anatomy, you know
what I mean. Yeah, everyperson looks like this, they're supposed to
look like this, they're supposed tolook like this, should not be bleeding
profusely, right, But when somebodycomes in and starts talking to you,
(22:37):
you know, every person's personality isdifferent every so it's up to you to
have to identify and try to sussout, you know, what's normal for
this specific person and what's not.Yeah, and that's that's a lot of
pressure. Yeah, A little bitof So kudos to you, Amanda Huzzle,
Thank you do a great yeah.But so that's that's probably all we'll
(23:04):
cover for today. We're gonna tryto keep these kind of short bit shorter
than some of our longer episodes,but we will be back to bother you
guys with another little unsatisfactory, alittle tidbit satisfactory, a little less terrible.
Thank you guys so much for joiningus, and yeah we we'll see
(23:25):
you next time. Bye bye,
Welcome to terrible people doing terrible things. I'm Laura, a true crime and
horror fan who loves talking about terriblestuff. And I'm Amanda, and I'm
a licensed psychologist who enjoy studying theworst of humanity. And everyone, please
welcome to the new format. We'retrying a new format we're trying and we
are calling these unsatisfactories because it's notquite as bad as terrible. Yeah,
(00:41):
we're gonna do little snippets in betweenbetween our episodes about truly horrifying and terrible,
terrible people. We're gonna throw insome you know, mildly unsatisfactories.
Yeah. So yeah, let usknow if you like it. Yeah,
let us know what you think.It give hopefully a little bit of a
palate cleanser between our heavier hitting,depressing degree research stories. Yeah, so
(01:07):
we'll see how this goes. Butlet's see, I'm going to start out
a little light. So this iskind of getting back into that vein of
the animals or assholes segments we didfor a little while. Yeah, and
I found this um image on Reddit, but it also just exists in the
interwebs somewhere as well. So thisguy has been posting these what looks like
(01:32):
kind of lost dog or lost catsigns around his neighborhood. But this one's
a little a little difference, soI'm gonna read it. So this guy's
posted this, and he's got animage of the cat at the bottom,
and here's how it reads. Sothe headline is, do you own a
stocky gray cat with a blue tagand a shit attitude? The next heading,
(01:53):
please consider keeping your monster inside.Your cat has attacked my cat at
least a dozen times on my property. It has stalked her in my backyard,
attacked her on both porches, andlast summer chased her inside my house
where it was insanely difficult to getout because of how aggressive it is.
In the last two weeks, ithas attacked her three times and tried to
(02:14):
attack me twice, literally lunging itmy face when I was trying to separate
it from my cat. It isirresponsible for you to be letting your cat
outside when it is this predatory andviolent. Maybe your cat was born an
asshole, or maybe it's a sideeffect of a medical condition. Aggression in
cats can be a sign of conditionslike toxoplasmosis, hyperthyroidism, epilepsy, absesses,
(02:37):
arthritis, dental disease, rabies,trauma, sensory decline, or cognitive
dysfunction. So please take your animalto the vet and keep it inside.
I live at blank if you wantto talk about it. And then at
the bottom, next to the pictureof the cat, the ship cat they
posted says an unwelcome and unfortunate sidingof the catus eratus satanas. I know
(03:02):
the Latin for satan, I'm prettysure, but I'm pretty sure that's what
that is. Yeah, that's hilarious. It sounded like a fucking um like
a commercial for a pill. Yourcat could be experiencing the following arthritis liver
damn it like and it's funny becauselike, cats are assholes in general.
(03:25):
I have two cats, like theirdicks, but like my cats are sweet.
But there are some cats who arelike, you know, like Jason's
cat Kayla, who's just a fuckingdemon for no reason. She's always been
that way. From kitten on.This could be a post about Kayla.
Maybe we should let Jason know.Yeah, she's not stocky and gray though,
(03:46):
so she doesn't she doesn't get outno, thank god, thank god,
because like when we I lived withJason, and that cat would trap
me in the bathroom, like legitimately, I would go into my bathroom,
separate bathroom, closed the door,opened, the door, sprawled out across
the door and like I'm like moveplease all right? She kisses m m
(04:12):
mmmmm. They always like to hidein the darkest places in the home too.
She would hide behind boxes and jump. Yeah, my sister's cat hated
me, didn't attack any other fuckingperson. And this was after she had
moved out and was married and I'dcome to visit and she had this black
cat named Smokey. Smokey is themascot for the ut balls. It's a
(04:32):
dog. Oh, Smokey's name witha mascot for the ut valls, So
that's where that comes from. ButSmokey would hide, and he was black,
all black cat. He'd hide likein their little hallway closet that didn't
have a door, that just wasshelving for like towels and shit. Yeah,
and I'd walk past and I wouldn'tbe looking, and I'd just hear
(04:54):
this, Okay as I'm walking past. It's terrifying because you don't know where
they are. You don't know wherethey're coming from. They could be above
you. Like cats are demonic.I like, there's a reason why Egyptians
worship them. Oh yeah, yeah. Keep your friends close and your enemies
closer, and make your enemies yourgods. It's kind of how the Egyptians
(05:15):
roll. So I don't know.Cat. That cat didn't like me.
Yeah, it was weird. Idon't my dad could pick it up,
cuddle it. I would look atit and it would hiss, like its
this to peoples, though, you'reafraid of that. But I want to
cuddle it. I just want tocuddle. I like cats. I know
(05:36):
I know your allergic? Do Iknow? I am? I am pretty
damn allergic, pretty allergic. Mycat tries to kill you when you come
over here. I know it's sofluffy and it's not fair. I know
they know when you can't, whenyou can't. I'm like, not that
it's exactly relatable, but I'm like, is this how a diabetic feels when
(05:58):
they see a cake? I justwant it. I just wanted to look
so soft and fluffy. That's likedelicious. Jason's cat calea beautiful cat,
very sageous. She knows she's pretty, can't get her, can't pet her,
like anytime you go anywhere near orshe'll turn around just claw the shit
out of you. It's like,fine, they'll be fluffy over there.
(06:21):
I guess, Yeah, you gobe fluffy and beautiful and exotic looking over
there, and I just won't touchyou. Well you hiss at me from
across the room. I don't blamethis guy for for putting up signage because
his poor cat is getting the shitbeat out of it. Yeah, well,
and it sounds like he's finding thehumor in it to stummach this point.
(06:42):
Yeah, to a point like he'sbut he's like, hey, your
cat's a fucking menace. Cat's aproblem, and I'm I'm worried about its
health, to be completely honest withyou. So that's kind of a little
lighthearted hearkening back to the animals beingassholes situation. But there was another report
I ran across that I think itpopped up on Reddit too. I was
(07:04):
on Reddit a lot this week,and there's been some new information released in
terms of the psychological profiles of massshooters. So and this was released February
eighteenth, twenty twenty one by ColumbiaUniversity Irving Medical Center, so very reputable.
Wow and recent, yeah, veryrecent, very reputable medical center in
(07:27):
university, and a research team atthe Center of Prevention and Evaluation at Columbia
University and New York State psycho Hospital. They found that, contrary to popular
belief, serious mental illness was presidentand only eleven percent of all mass murderers
and only eight percent of mass shooters. Interesting, and that's almost verbatim from
(07:53):
their little initial paragraph. I don'twant to take credit for that's very interesting,
Yeah, very interesting because yeah,so it's easy to explain away um
murders and violent crimes and stuff likethat by just simply saying, oh,
the person is mentally ill. Butit's not always the case, you know
what I mean. And it's surprisingto me to find out that mass shooters
(08:18):
on an average don't have any mentalillnesses. Yeah, like the vast majority.
I guess if mass shooters were notfound to have serious mental illness,
and then that would be eighty ninepercent of mass murders as well. I
didn't have that. So just becausethey're not mentally ill doesn't mean that they
(08:41):
weren't experiencing some type of trauma orsomething. That because I know a lot
of times it's like either like angeror bullying or hate groups. Yes,
and things like the communities they're in, the people they're around, right,
right, But that's interesting. Theycreated this whole database and it included like
(09:05):
almost fifteen thousand murders, a reviewof almost fifteen thousand different murders that had
occurred between nineteen hundred and twenty nineteen. And let's see, they analyzed like
several different types of mass murder fromall over the world, and they put
mass shooters into their own category outof these mass murders, and then everyone
(09:26):
else was lumped into mass murder.And this one included like whether they used
fire, explosives, poisons, stabbing, blodgeting, driving people, so like
any kind of like murder incident thatwas more than like like I think it
has to be more than like threeor something. Yes, no, that's
(09:46):
serious, something like that too.It goes back and forth whether it's just
two or three I think, dependingon what you read and okay, what
you listen to. But um,interesting, So yeah, they kind of
they took mass shooters and they distinguishedthat. And you said, only eleven
percent of mass shooters or eleven percentof the mass murderers and eight percent of
mass shooters, so even smaller elevenpercent of all the other group together.
(10:11):
That's interesting. It's because it's like, yeah, there has to be motivation
for doing it, right, therethere is, yeah, and they there
always is. So what they endedup finding was that the US based mass
shooters were more likely to have somehistory in the legal system, use drugs
or alcohol, misuse drugs or alcohol, that's a key term there, and
(10:35):
then have histories of non psychotic psychiatricsymptoms. So again it's they don't it's
not that they don't have mental illnessnecessarily, but it's not cereal or serious
mental illness, cereal super cereal.Um, it's not schizophrenia, it's not
psychosis. It's not the heavy hittinglike the heavy hitters. Yeah, it's
(10:56):
not something we can just easily useto explain a way what they did,
Like they could have depression or yes, right, things like that, but
it's not like, oh, theywere, you know, schizophrenic and hallucinating.
Yeah, it's it's not like itwas just they were in their right
minds when they they're just they're they'rea regular person with regular issues who escalated
(11:18):
outside of the regular means of handlingthose issues. Yea. So, and
they also kind of talk about howthey believe a lot of these people,
outside of just substance abuse legal problems, have difficulty coping with life events,
so lack of coping mechanisms, whichmakes sense to me. If you can't
cope, it's gonna build up,you're gonna lash out. Well, there
(11:39):
was that there was that guy thatum oh, I forget what his name
was. I think it was inCalifornia where he filmed the video of himself
before the mass shooting. I thinkwhere he was like talking about like women
turning him down and I'm talking aboutone of the in cell people he might
have been happen. Did he havelike a little manifesto too? Yes he
(12:03):
did, Yes he did. Anda lot of it was like about how
other people like treated him. Iremember was his name Eric or something,
I'm not sure. Elliot Roger.Yep. It was an e closer than
I thought I was gonna be.So he liked Elliot Roger. So he
(12:24):
like filmed that whole thing about howlike, oh, women don't like me,
and you know whatever. I don'tknow. Mass shootings and stuff are
interesting to me because there is nolike victimology. Well yeah, I mean
I guess there can be if it'slike someone goes and shoots up the workplace
or something, but like well schools, yeah, but like in public open
(12:48):
shootings, yes, you're just gettingas many people as you could get and
people hitting people with their fucking carsall the time. Now, like in
Paris, is that where that happens, Well, there was a plane was
there a train bombing in Paris too? There was a lot that happened in
Paris. No, No, I'mtalking about the guy who drove through the
crowd of people in like a vanand just hit like a ton of people
who were protesting or gathering whatever theywere doing. And then the Boston marathon
(13:15):
bombing, the Boston h bombing.Is a lot did just in Tennessee.
Yes, But the bombing of SecondAvenue Broadway downtown Nashville, Yes, that
wasn't a mass murderer because you know, nobody was. I think only one
person was killed, but like thatcould have been yeah people you know,
oh god, they find out whodid that, Yes, they found out,
(13:37):
They apprehended him. He was partthey believe his deal was that he
he was worried about what five Gwas going to do. He was kind
of a conspiracy believer, and hebelieved five G was somehow like gonna be
in planting chips, and so hewasn't trying to hurt people. And he
(14:01):
actually the RV that was set upthat exploded had an announcement going saying get
out of the area. And Iget that, I get that you still
hurt people, though, well,yeah, it's still not okay, Like
you still hurt people. Pretty sureyou killed somebody too, you know what
I mean. It's not okay.No, it's not an okay. But
I have more sympathy for him thanthe people that like fucking up. It
(14:22):
sounds like he was like maybe likea tinfoil hat kind of you know.
Yeah, and his intention was justto dismantle the system, not hurt people.
Yeah, which is fair. Iguess it's I mean, it's still
a bad way to go about it. Oh yeah, it's misinformed. It's
dangerous. It's not to me.He's someone that I would think would more
(14:45):
likely have a serious mental illness.It's possible he doesn't. People can believe
conspiracies. I'm not super mentally ill. But he to me would more likely.
And I mean I get it,Like technology is scary, Like what
we can do with technology is terrifying. But we're in the technology technological age,
and yeah, I mean that's it. This isn't going to go away
(15:07):
anytimes barring some major catastrophic societystopian ship. Yeah, our e MFS or whatever.
It's gonna keep progressing. It's gonnakeep growing, right, And it's
and it is scary because you know, one day we could get to the
point where people could read you know, thoughts or something if they had you
hooked up to something, or youknow, we'll understand the human brain more.
(15:31):
But to go to such means totry and stop some especially because you're
like, Okay, this guy thinksthat five G is going to I don't
know, implant microchips or yeah,whatever you think taking out the five G
of one place like is gonna do. And like, I just don't think
people think very far outside of theirown situations. Yeah, affect them,
(15:52):
Yeah, because it's like you youwant to dismantle five G. Do you
know actually what that would take andwhat a system global wide like attack that
would have to be to be ableto do something like that. So why
to be a hacker? Yeah,so why set off bombs? You know?
But I guess desperate not thinking peoplenationally, So you're not and you're
(16:15):
feeling desperate. And that's what's terrifyingto me about people is like nothing in
no horror movies. Nothing scares meas much as the propensity of people to
like to kill, commitment, inciteviolence. Yeah, and just like some
of the things that we as humansdo to other humans. I don't know
(16:37):
of a single animal species and theremay be one out there the tortures its
own species. Oh yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. I
mean like otters and stuff like that. They do some pretty fucked up stuff,
like dolphins, but not to theirown. Dolphins rape their own,
right, do they? I thoughtthey raped us and other animals rape.
I thought they just raped. I'mnot sure. I didn't know it was
(17:00):
an all animal but it's stuff rape. I don't know the animals really consent,
seems like like seems yeah when whenwhen the animal kingdom? When they're
made with like barbed dicks so thatthey can hold on like that, Oh
my god, ducks or ducks,corkscrew or ducks or the corkscrew. Cats
have barbed penises so they can holdon. I don't understand mother nature sometimes,
(17:25):
so so let's be honest here,like all animals, but like torturing,
torturing is something that is like reallyreally specific to us. Yeah,
why is that? Yeah, that'swhat fascinates me. And this is the
whole reason I love talking about thiskind of stuff. Well, it is,
but it's interesting because that also makesme think about cats playing with their
(17:45):
kill. Now, cats are oneof the only animals that's like their pleasure
center in their brain lights up,but they are considered like the psycho,
like the psychos of the animal.Yeah, it's you know what I'm interesting,
So, like you know, andand is that what happens? I'd
be I'd love to know if likeparts of guys brains are lighting up when
(18:06):
they're doing these things. Someone hasto have done a study of like using
an fMRI or MRI on killers andmurders, at least watching footage of those
things, well, watching or recallingtheir their memories and stuff to actually be
able to like monitor while it's happening, which I mean you wouldn't because then
(18:27):
you do while they're doing somebody killingsomebody else. It's just it's just this
is why it's so fascinating to me, because it's just we we don't know
anything. Yeah, no, notnot in terms of the vast amount of
knowledge and the answers we haven't uncoveredyet, and the variables, Like everybody's
(18:47):
brain is different. Yeah, we'rewired a little different. Yeah, that's
terrifying. Well, and as soonas something happens, things shift, you
know a little bit in terms ofyour internal beliefs, the the mechanisms,
the neuro what do they call it, the neurological wiring of the brain.
You know, can be fundamentally changedif an event is traumatic enough or significant
(19:11):
enough too. So it's like westart out pretty much the same fucking blank
slate, but like anything can happen. Yeah, it's very divergent over time
as we experience different things in life, head injury, trauma, abuse,
you know what I mean. Itall shapes the brain, chronic illness,
access to food and water versus lackof access to food and water, and
(19:33):
the adaptability of people too. Youhave to think about like people who have
been kidnapped and wound up being withtheir you know, kidnavers for nine years
or something like that. The adaptabilityof the human brain to be able to
like take that and be like,Okay, this is our new reality.
So we're just gonna we're gonna changeso that we can live through this.
Yeah, we're going to function inthis environment somehow fascinating. Resilience fascinating.
(20:00):
But yeah, I found that information. I thought it was interesting. Pick
your brain a little bit. Butit is interesting because you would just assume,
well, it's what we hear.Yeah, oh, you must be
psychotic, crazy, you know,it's what we hear. It we hear
that they've slipped through the cracks inthe mental health system. So everyone starts
pointing the fingers at us and sayingthat we're failing. And I'm like,
(20:23):
it's not quite exactly what's going.The mental health professionals aren't failing. The
system is failing, yeah, andsociety is failing. We don't have it
set up like it's not like it'sit's not cheap to go see a psychiatrist.
It's not cheap to get medication tohelp you with you know, mental
illness and stuff like that, andit's usually something that has to be initiated
(20:47):
by the person. Yes, andif you don't want yeah, or can't
come out of your own reality enoughto be able to accept help. Then
a lot of times, because nobodycan get in there, Yeah, like
you can. You can make yourkids come see me for counseling, doesn't
mean he's going to get better.And there's a lot I can try to
do to connect with that child,but if they don't want it, they
don't want it. And I'm nota wizard, I'm not a magician.
(21:08):
You're also not a mind reader.Yeah, so you also your job depends
on because I know I lied topsychologists and psychiatrists left and right as a
teenager. Yeah, all the time. I think I downplayed certain things because
I didn't want my certain people toget in trouble. I didn't want like
people to get in trouble. Ididn't want them to know that I was,
you know, suicidal, or thatI had been thinking about Like I
(21:30):
didn't want to be put in amental hospital. Yeah, I didn't.
I didn't want any of that.And a lot of times I didn't trust
my medical professionals, especially cough coughone individual, so like I didn't trust
him, and I wouldn't take mymedications and stuff yeah, you know,
your job is not easy. Yourjob, and it's not like just being
(21:52):
like a surgeon or something where it'slike, oh, I opened it up,
I take this out and put thisover here. I stitch it up
all better. I can see what'swrong all better. You can't see what
everyones assisting me in the surgery.Yeah, you have to rely on your
patients information. And every doctor inthe world knows that patients lie. Oh
yeah, oh yeah. Well,and not to say surgeries easy by any
(22:15):
means. And I'm sure if theydeal with all kinds of unknowns and pressures.
No, of course, not totallydifferent, but I'd say there's like
more clear cut information there. Sometimesit is because it's anatomy, you know
what I mean. Yeah, everyperson looks like this, they're supposed to
look like this, they're supposed tolook like this, should not be bleeding
profusely, right, But when somebodycomes in and starts talking to you,
(22:37):
you know, every person's personality isdifferent every so it's up to you to
have to identify and try to sussout, you know, what's normal for
this specific person and what's not.Yeah, and that's that's a lot of
pressure. Yeah, A little bitof So kudos to you, Amanda Huzzle,
Thank you do a great yeah.But so that's that's probably all we'll
(23:04):
cover for today. We're gonna tryto keep these kind of short bit shorter
than some of our longer episodes,but we will be back to bother you
guys with another little unsatisfactory, alittle tidbit satisfactory, a little less terrible.
Thank you guys so much for joiningus, and yeah we we'll see
(23:25):
you next time. Bye bye,
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