October 21, 2024 • 55 mins
Have you ever wondered if a teenager's bathroom antics could lead to a slippery disaster, or if homemade flamethrowers were really a thing? In our latest episode of the Terribly Unoblivious Podcast, we kick things off with a lighthearted discussion on the cyclical nature of life's experiences, including the hilarity of a teenager named Phoenix who managed to transform a bathroom into a cologne-slicked hazard zone. From there, we wander into tales of youthful curiosity, recounting how body spray turned into an explosive tool for fun long before TikTok made DIY projects mainstream.
Join us on this rollicking ride as we tackle the allure of dangerous pastimes and the age-old question of whether podcast seasons are a real thing. We take a detour into the world of surprising historical anecdotes, like a fire investigator moonlighting as an arsonist, and reflect on how these stories shape our narratives today. The episode is sprinkled with humor and caution, creating a nostalgic vibe as we remember youthful mischief and the spread of not-so-great ideas through generations.
Our adventure doesn't stop there. We explore the pursuit of personal growth through physical challenges, from biking across Iowa to balancing family life while seeking epic adventures. With a candid look at the balance between embracing contentment and the desire for new challenges, we share insights on pushing boundaries, finding fulfillment, and the comedic hurdles encountered along the way. Through humor and thoughtful reflection, we capture the essence of resilience, both mental and physical, required to face life's grand and everyday adventures.
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Dylan (00:00):
This is the Terribly Unoblivious Podcast.
Brad (00:03):
Yep.
Dylan (00:05):
I said it before and I'll say it again Life moves pretty
fast.
Brad (00:10):
You don't stop and look around once in a while, you
could miss it.
Dylan (00:22):
Personal growth and acceptance.
Brad (00:25):
I just heard the news today.
Dylan (00:28):
Which one Are you going with a?
Brad (00:31):
celebrity death?
Dylan (00:32):
No, because there's been a lot of celebrity deaths.
It seems my life is going tochange.
Brad (00:36):
Tell me more.
I close my eyes and begin topray.
Tears of joy stream down myface.
Dylan (00:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's prolific.
You want to expand on that?
Brad (00:51):
Arms wide open.
Dylan (00:53):
Where is Scott Stafford right now?
I don't know.
Brad (00:58):
They're coming back, aren't they?
I think they're coming back.
Dylan (01:00):
Lou saw them at the Jones County Fair.
Are they coming back?
What's the what's is JonesJones County fair?
Brad (01:04):
Are they coming?
Dylan (01:04):
back what's what's my is Jones Makoketa.
He saw them and he said it wasepic.
Brad (01:11):
Really Mm-hmm.
I felt like they were puttingsomething new out.
Dylan (01:16):
I don't know if they're creating new material, but
apparently they're still playingarms wide open.
Brad (01:22):
I mean they've got a.
They got a good base know, yeah, kind of like nickel back no no
no, no, I mean they've got likethe christian bass.
Like you can always just rollback in and tap that, hey, we're
back we got this album out.
Dylan (01:41):
We've got the whitest doves you've ever seen.
It's just yeah.
Brad (01:47):
They just let it go, eat it up.
Dylan (01:50):
What's been going on, man ?
It's been a while.
It's been a minute, yeah, eventhough what will happen is the
podcast we did a long time agothat I still haven't released
will probably be like week toweek after this.
Everybody will be like, oh no,Brad and Dylan were just there.
Yeah, and when I say everyone,I mean like five of you.
Brad (02:07):
Uh, when oh, it was over the this past weekend.
Shane's like when are you guysgoing to make some more?
I'm like we, we made some more.
Yeah Well, we're in season, notpodcast season.
Dylan (02:25):
Sorry, brad and I are in everlasting debate of are there
seasons or not seasons?
If we're not a crime podcast,yeah.
Brad (02:34):
Season 1.2.
The 5.
Dylan (02:38):
Yeah, we just go do versions.
Brad (02:47):
We did.
I think we have establishedover uh the course of this
summer, early fall, that doingthis is probably better for my
mental health.
I think it's better foreveryone's mental health
involved yeah, maybe notshannon's, sure.
Why not?
It's because I had to leave herwith the boys tonight and it
didn't seem to be going well.
Dylan (03:03):
Is capital punishment too extreme?
Brad (03:11):
You just look in the rear view mirror and you see smoke as
you drive away.
It's going to be fine.
Dylan (03:15):
Don't worry about it.
It's even better when you leavekindling around the house like
didn't do chores, didn't dohomework.
Brad (03:21):
Oh, speaking of fire, let's talk about it, phoenix.
Dylan (03:25):
Are we talking about Billy Joel that you didn fire?
Let's talk about it.
Brad (03:29):
Phoenix, are we talking about Billy Joel, that you?
Dylan (03:30):
didn't start it.
Phoenix started it.
Okay, so yeah.
Brad (03:33):
So very Russian of him.
He had a little freedom thisweekend and what does freedom
mean?
Dylan (03:43):
Lack of oversight, Okay, so we need you to give the
audience context overview, taste, smell senses he just had a
little free time with friends.
Okay.
Brad (03:57):
And because we had another game, so they had a little
unsupervised, you know, spat oftime.
Dylan (04:07):
Yeah.
Brad (04:08):
And and some weird things happened.
What is weird?
How old is Phoenix Warren?
Dylan (04:24):
He's middle-aged for a teenager.
No, that's not true.
Is he a teenager?
He's a teenager.
No, that's not true.
Is he a teenager?
He's a teenager.
Okay, so he's a teenager.
And it's weird, for a teenagercan go um.
There's.
Brad (04:32):
There's a paradigm so I get home or continuum.
Dylan (04:36):
I should say that I can't remember.
Brad (04:37):
I can't remember if this was that same day or the day
before I get home and go to thebathroom.
The bathroom smells likecologne body spray, which is.
I cannot imagine being ateacher in middle school with
these fucking kids.
Dylan (04:54):
Okay, continue.
Brad (04:55):
They're potent, like the amount of spray that they use,
even after school.
This isn't a new phenomenon, no, I know.
Dylan (05:01):
But like him and a friend , will like get in my even after
school like this isn't a newphenomenon no, I know, but like
him and him and a friend willlike get in my van after school.
Brad (05:08):
I'm like fuck what.
What are you guys doing?
Are you just?
It's a spray?
Are you cutting it off and justpouring it on you?
Or?
Dylan (05:19):
it's too much okay.
Brad (05:21):
So I walk in the bathroom it smells like that, not
surprising, right.
And then I go to the bathroombut I wash my hands.
I look up at the mirror.
The mirror looks like it islike steamed over, but only on
one half.
Okay, well, that doesn't makesense.
So go to wipe it off.
It's super oily.
I was like, oh, there's likebody spray all over the mirror,
(05:46):
like to the point where it'salmost dripping.
So not an accidental like oops,I missed my armpit, you know,
like all over the place, yeah.
The floor is super slippery, solike it's all over the floor.
Was it pledge?
No, it wasn't.
That's not funny, that'sdangerous.
Okay, it's dangerous.
Okay, don't do that.
Trick people.
That's how people get brokentailbones, facts.
(06:10):
So there's that.
I'm like, okay, who's in herefucking around with this?
Because that's not his style,so somebody else was probably
messing with it.
That's what I thought, uh.
And then later that night he'sfolding paper towels in half as
many times as he can.
He's got two of them.
Okay, where's this going?
(06:31):
He's like I got this battery.
I was like, okay.
He's like I got this aluminumfoil and I was like, now I know
where it's going and so he takesthe, the, the, the paper towels
and puts the tinfoil on thepositive and negative and then
proceeds to drop the batterylike six times in a row.
I was like this trick is stupid.
I'm not watching this anymore.
(06:51):
So I got what he was trying todo, but he never accomplished it
.
Dylan (06:56):
Then we're outside For the audience.
Why don't you explain what hewas trying to do?
Brad (07:00):
He was trying to connect the circuit and then the foil
gets hot, I'm assuming, starts.
I don't know what it does.
Okay, I didn't get to see it.
Okay, because he couldn't holdon to it long enough.
It didn't really make sense touse using paper towels, though I
mean I get it, he was trying toinsulate his hands was he
trying to make like a homemade,pura, what's that, what's that?
Dylan (07:21):
like a like an, an oil diffuser.
Is that what that is?
Brad (07:25):
I don't know, I have one.
Yeah, I have that brand.
Here you go fancy so then we'reout to save you 65 a month so
then we're outside and I noticea big rock, uh, that we have
that is around one of the trees,but it's not around the tree,
it's in the sidewalk.
And then I look down thesidewalk and there's like a
couple more big rocks and thenthere's a lighter, like a stick
lighter and a piece of wood thatlooks black on the end, and
(07:49):
then all of these things connectflamethrower.
He's playing with fire yeahessentially yeah pyro.
And then that night at dinnershannon said something about he
was trying to.
He was asking about aerosolsand and making basically like a
flamethrower, yeah, and then thelight bulb went off and I was
(08:12):
like, are you fucking trying tomake a flamethrower in my
goddamn bathroom with fuckingbody spray right now?
Is that what happened?
Is that how it got all over themirror because it didn't catch
on fire?
And he just what happened?
No, okay, I see what you'redoing here.
You got to get a lot smarterClean up after yourselves.
Dylan (08:34):
And go get Aquanet from Walmart Also.
Is it still coming a fuchsiapinkish, can I?
Brad (08:38):
don't know, but that's what they used to blow up
pumpkins with Aquanet.
Dylan (08:44):
Aquanet yeah, yeah, potato gun, that's what they
they used to blow up pumpkinswith.
Brad (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, potato gun, you just throw that oh, but they
don't even figure this stuffout on their own.
He saw tiktoks on it so likechina's invading no, just I felt
like I knew about sounds likeit sounds like china's invading.
I felt like I knew aboutaquanet and blowing up at seven.
That's true, because they would, they would go and they would
(09:10):
pull the tops off the pumpkinsand just fill that thing up and
then toss a match as you'rerunning away.
Dylan (09:18):
Nope, yeah, I'm not saying I didn't do stupid stuff,
I'm just so.
Information obviously traveledfast before we had the internet,
not saying that it hasn'texpedited that process or or
made it faster, um, butobviously you got really bad
(09:40):
ideas from your neighborhoodfriends because they heard
something from their friends.
Brad (09:43):
So it's not like well there's only so many things the
internet, the devil there's onlyso many things to do, though.
Right like now.
You have an infinite number ofideas that you could try.
You just have to stumble acrossthem through what was that
really?
Dylan (09:58):
what was that?
Was that back in like 2006,2007, the arsonist toolbox like
somebody wrote that book, but itwas really like a blogger, it
was like a blogger website andthen they they attributed all
these things to that guy thatwas talking about how to.
He never actually got indictedor anything, but he wrote a
whole book about how to makebombs and with household objects
(10:21):
the arsonist it was on thetoday show I at one point.
I mean probably a lot more newsoutlets than that.
Thanks, matt Lauer.
Brad (10:28):
There's a podcast about something similar to that.
It was a fire marshal I thoughtit was hot time Fire
investigator, I think thepodcast is called Firebug
(10:50):
investigator, I think it's.
The podcast is called firebugand he seemed to be really good
at solving what was starting allof these fires.
It was in california in likethe 70s, late 70s, early 80s, I
think.
And spoiler alert yeah, he wassetting them.
He had a very specific.
Was his name ted alert?
Yeah, he was setting them.
He had a very specific.
Was his name ted?
It could have been I don'tremember, but yeah, he had.
(11:11):
He had this thing where he woulddo like a cigarette and then he
would wrap it in I don't knowlike, say, a book of matches or
something right.
So he'd walk into a store andhe would find these things.
That was a specific type oflike foam, so like a foam
padding or something like that,and they ignited quickly and
(11:31):
burned really hot and so hewould light it it's not true,
actually and then the cigaretteacted as a timer and then the
thing would go off sitting onthe foam and then, yeah, the
whole thing would go down.
So it's kind of wild.
Dylan (11:49):
That's wild.
Yeah, chat.
Gpt has censored us, so we haveno idea.
Censored us?
Yeah, it won't search thearsonist toolbox for us.
Brad (11:59):
Probably a good idea.
Probably.
Probably because you spelledarsonist wrong.
Dylan (12:03):
Yeah, but it can read through that.
Oh Also, but it can readthrough that.
Oh Also, that screen's at anangle and I can't see shit from
here.
Brad (12:08):
That's okay, there is a.
I saw another.
I just got back on TikTokyesterday.
Dylan (12:16):
I've been off for months.
I'm not on.
I've never been on.
It's the same shit Differentday.
Yeah, it's like, yeah it.
Brad (12:20):
It's the same shit Different day yeah.
Yeah, it's like yeah it's thesame shit I was watching fucking
four months ago.
It's almost like they know you,yeah, yeah, they got my
algorithm down pretty good, yeah.
But there is a uh like a like asurvival country music, survival
guide book and survival thatthat this kind of reminds me of
(12:43):
where it's.
Oh, you want to make homemadedynamite, just in case you, you
might need it.
Oh, there's a lot of otheruseful things like plants as
medicine, things like that.
But uh, if I knew the name ofit I'd probably my favorite.
I just don't tell you.
Dylan (12:58):
It's like the hands it's just hands out in like a very
beautiful setting, whether itlooks like a very exotic um,
riverside, mountainside, andthen they cook like a very nice
looking steak on what appears tobe a rock a rock, yes, or some
(13:19):
very well seasoned cast iron, oryeah, those are my favorite.
Like what?
Why?
Why the hell are they targetingme on that?
Brad (13:25):
I I enjoy the people that lean really hard into the one
thing, one specific thing.
Yeah, some of them are verypopular, like the uh bradley
thor that chops wood he's, Idon't know that he's very
popular.
Okay, like liver king no, no,he's like like he's a good
(13:46):
looking like kind of built dude,but just normal.
Basically, yeah, and I don'tknow how that all started, but
uh, very signature like overalllike suspenders, you know, and
then it's like he's gotta takehim off every time.
Dylan (14:03):
Yeah, johnny's getting ready to split wood.
Brad (14:05):
Yeah, it's like why you fucking put them on, yeah, in
the first place.
You know what's happening,because girls like see him take
them off, yeah, yeah.
So it's kind of like lingerie,yeah, I guess in that sense I.
Dylan (14:18):
So during co only fans kind of came, become, became
popular during covid.
I feel like I I'm not exploded,it exploded during covid and uh
, I said if I really wanted tomake money I would just get a
six-pack and then I would dochores shirtless around the
(14:40):
house as a male.
Okay, I would just do laundry.
Okay, organize the pantry, cook, yeah, maybe, maybe wipe down
the baseboards.
Brad (14:49):
I thought that account would have gone viral yeah, but
you do have to be very peoplelike seeing the same thing for
some reason that's what I'msaying.
Dylan (14:58):
I feel like a clean um full of the whites.
Brad (15:03):
Oh, there is a kid who I don't know.
He's an older teenager maybemaybe a little bit older than
that.
He does a whole thing.
How many of blank will hold mewhile I do a pull up?
So he's got a pull up bar andthen he's like how many saltine
(15:24):
crackers stacked on top of eachother will hold me?
He goes one, two, three andlike he dead weight hangs and
then they break and then he justkeeps going and then like he'll
use laptops.
That's the shtick, that's it.
That's all he does.
I hate this world.
I hate this world.
I hate this world.
(15:45):
Yeah, he probably has hundredsof them.
Dylan (15:49):
All right, I'm bored of this conversation we talked
about in our own personalconversations off air.
You've come to me a coupletimes the past few weeks and
you're like Dylan, I just wantto do something hard.
First of all, I never say yourname no, you're right, I put
that part in of all.
I never say your name no,you're right, I put that part in
.
Sorry, I paraphrasedincorrectly, but yes.
Brad (16:10):
I have said that.
Dylan (16:10):
Okay.
So what do you want to do?
That's hard and define, hardand define.
You just want to.
You just want a task to go outand tackle.
What do you want?
What are you?
What are you looking to defineyourself by?
Brad (16:34):
Before I to go out and tackle what do you want?
What are you?
What are you looking to defineyourself by?
Before I came here, I saw avideo uh, this girl mimicking
that she was going to therapy.
She's like, ah, I signed up fora triathlon.
And therapist is like oh,that's great.
Um, when did you decide that?
She's like?
A couple days ago.
Dylan (16:41):
She's like like oh, so have you actually committed?
Brad (16:45):
Why did you do that?
She's like I just want to seeif I can do it.
She's like to do what?
Like I just want to see if I'mcapable.
She's like do you do that a lot, like sign up for triathlons?
No, like see if you're capableand then the girl's like.
Dylan (17:09):
I think we're done for the day.
I can't answer that question.
Brad (17:12):
I don't want to answer that question.
No, we did.
Dylan (17:24):
Well, I don't know why.
Honestly, what are you missingthat this is going to fill a?
Brad (17:26):
this is going to fill a hole in your, in your heart.
I just like testing boundaries,like you've done a lot of hard
shit, though, like some of the,I just like testing my
boundaries.
I won't.
Dylan (17:36):
I won't discuss what we've talked about, what would
be hard, until we're ready to,until you're ready to put that
out there, but I feel likethat's something you've could do
and something that you've donesimilar things to.
So why do you think that this,that one, would test your
boundaries?
Brad (17:52):
I mean my boundaries change, Like they're probably a
lot lower than they used to be.
Dylan (17:58):
Yeah, but we're talking about you're talking about.
You're talking aboutphysicality versus mental
fortitude.
Brad (18:03):
No, but that's I think that's what I like is the mental
part of it.
It's like I want to dosomething that is physically
very difficult butaccomplishable physically.
But I think what you and then Iwant to see if mentally I can
(18:23):
withstand that or not.
Dylan (18:24):
So I'm actually going to just kind of spill the beans.
Brad wants to started with 100pounds, 100 miles.
That was stupid, okay, and thenyou went down to maybe we need
to start with 50 pounds, 50miles.
Brad (18:37):
I realized quickly how much I actually weigh, how much
you weigh and that 100 pounds isprobably not a great start.
How much?
Dylan (18:43):
do you?
Brad (18:43):
weigh Like 170.
Dylan (18:46):
Yeah, that's a terrible idea, Brad 30-some percent seems
much more.
Brad (18:53):
30% seems way better than 60%.
Dylan (19:00):
But my question becomes and there's I guess it's our
shoes.
Brad (19:06):
Am I going to wear?
Dylan (19:07):
it.
It starts in all that too.
Yeah, is it?
Are you a Hoka guy or are younot?
Um, I do have Hoka's there.
Yeah, are you trying to go inuntrained?
Are you trying to go in trained, are you?
Brad (19:20):
where's the balance?
Like most things in my life,semi.
But Where's the balance?
Like most things in my lifesemi, but even semi Semi trained
.
Dylan (19:28):
It's not.
It's a difficult task.
I'm not minimizing it but I cut.
Brad (19:35):
I think the 50 for 50 would be a bit of a training.
Dylan (19:40):
Is there a time?
Is there a time domain?
Hmm, See, I think you probablyshould be.
I was going to say there has to, because what you've done is
just like I'm just going tobrute force it through this and
not saying there's anythingwrong with brute forcing
anything through anything, butit's kind of just a but.
The idea was simple.
(20:00):
You have the, you're gonna have.
You have spite in your bodywhich just says I'm gonna do
this no matter what, which isgreat.
But is it really a true test offortitude because you got it?
A true test of fortitude isgetting through the demons that
are in somebody's body.
That says we're going to getpast the spite, we're going to
get past this and we're reallygoing to test them at their
(20:21):
rawest 18 hours.
I don't know man, that lookslike 16.666 repeating yeah,
that's so, you got it.
That was 20 minute miles I don'tknow, man, what's the elevation
?
That's a whole other factor.
There's no fucking elevation,okay, so you just are.
I'm just saying, yeah, there'snot a, there's not a route, so
(20:44):
so what I'm saying is you'rebored and you want something
yeah yeah but all you got to saybut you haven't thought it
through all the way by, becauseif you wanted to test yourself,
it would really test yourself,and when it when it's testing
yourself, it can't and this issomething I want to talk to you
about it can't be Friday at 7 pmto Sunday at 8 pm, because I
(21:08):
don't have any of theresponsibilities or things I
have to do.
It needs to test you personallytoo and professionally, like
okay well, is this going toaffect other things?
Brad (21:18):
yeah, I mean it could.
If I trip and fall and the packlands on my face yeah, that
doesn't count, but it's possible.
Dylan (21:26):
Okay, what are you sacrificing in the way?
Because you could do that.
By the way, you could do eitherof those if you really wanted
to.
Right now, it would bemiserable but you could do it I
don't think I could do thehundred, just if you had a food
supply and water and all thatunlimited time that's what I'm
saying.
Unlimited time yeah, that's notunlimited time, though.
(21:46):
Well, hey, nobody got time forthat just how do you, how do you
put boundaries on yourself toreally push it when it's I can't
, I'm not, I going to, I can'tsit down right now.
I have to push past this momentwhere I don't want to keep
moving.
I'm not going zero to a hundred.
Brad (22:02):
right now, though Should like oh okay.
Don't ask, I don't think so.
Dylan (22:10):
I'm the peanut gallery, maybe maybe I don't think you
should go zero to a hundredovernight but I think you should
do something that you have toactually sacrifice for which is
okay Three nights a week.
I don't get to do this with myfamily because I need to do this
for me.
Brad (22:31):
And then I have it.
Dylan (22:32):
Then I have a time domain where it's I.
If I sit down now, I'm going tolose half a second or 30
seconds now, and that's going tobe impossible to make up on the
backside, where the margins areso razor thin that you just
have to keep moving okay, if youchoose to sit down, then that's
when you you lost the game soyou're talking about a sacrifice
(22:54):
leading up to a challenge.
Brad (22:56):
I I think that's what that sounded like.
Dylan (22:59):
To me a challenge is is both professionally and personal
.
I don't.
Brad (23:03):
I don't want professional challenge.
Dylan (23:05):
Okay Then is it really a challenge?
Why so, if you split half yourlife up and if it doesn't affect
the other half, you haveanother safety blanket over
there.
Brad (23:14):
No, I don't do well when I get back from vacations, which
are fun.
Yeah, welcome to the club.
Dylan (23:23):
Like I'm not sure that I want to dedicate half my life
currently to, so are you gettingeverything out of it you want
out of it?
Brad (23:34):
to a random challenge.
Yeah, I want to go play in thesandbox.
Dylan (23:37):
Okay, that's fine it's like I say, yeah, I actually
don't want to do hard stuff, Ijust want to play in the sandbox
.
I want to play in the sandbox,okay I might want to do hard
stuff, but not right now.
Brad (23:47):
Okay, that's fair it's uh, I feel like I'm, I'm.
I'm at the moment wheresomebody does their first 5k and
they're like, oh, you knowwhat'd be fun next, maybe like
half marathon it's, it's a leadinto that, like, okay, I did
this thing, I thought I could dothis thing.
I did this thing.
Now I know where I'm at.
(24:09):
I haven't done anything hardfor a long time it sounds like
you're raising a family.
Dylan (24:14):
That sounds extremely hard and that's.
That's not a joke, I'm just.
It sounds difficult Like.
So how do you go about saying Ihaven't done anything hard?
Brad (24:24):
In a short period of time 24, 48 hours.
Dylan (24:31):
I mean, I've seen the way you talk about your.
I'm just kidding.
Brad (24:35):
I mean I've had some hard times, but it's a great bar,
mullen Epic.
Dylan (24:47):
No epic adventures, I don't know you miss climbing at
all.
Brad (24:53):
Yeah, we've actually pushed some boundaries a a
little bit as a family, like onvacations, like doing some stuff
that is on your own, was itcorbin?
Dylan (25:04):
was the one that thought you were gonna die of starvation
or thirst did he no, I don'tknow.
You were talking to me aboutthe hike in colorado where they
were like I am going to die, he,I don't know what dude?
Brad (25:18):
yeah, uh, no, we went to south dakota I don't know if
they could have been last year.
In utah we ran out of waterlike that's right at the end.
Yeah, the one, yeah oh, we got,we got lost for like, yeah,
fucking five minutes that's whatI'm saying, and he's like ah,
we're almost out of water, wedon't know where we're at.
Like, you guys are the worst.
(25:38):
No, actually in south dakota,phoenix was the one that was
phoenix.
Dylan (25:42):
He was like we can't this .
Brad (25:44):
We're not going the right way.
We're supposed to be goingdownhill.
We're going back uphill.
We're lost.
We don't know where we're going.
I'm like, fucking, you don'tknow where you're going.
I know exactly where I'm goingand then we had a.
We had a false end.
So we come down this trail andwe're coming into a parking lot
and we think it's our parkinglot, not our.
It's not our parking lot, soour parking lot's still like a
mile and a half away.
So you come up on this thing,yes, and then you realize wait,
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there's a giant lake by ourparking lot and it's shit here.
And then corbin comes runningdown behind us and he's like yay
, and then he sees the no us andhe's like yay, and then he sees
the no lake and he's like we'regoing to die, we're not going
to make it, but that's good forthem.
So like I want that feeling oflike you almost give up and then
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you keep pushing and you findsome new boundaries and I've
done that before, I haven't doneit for a while and reevaluate.
Dylan (26:43):
So you think lugging around 50 pounds for 50 miles is
going to do that for?
Brad (26:46):
you Maybe, I don't know Okay.
Dylan (26:50):
It just seems there's no right or wrong answers here,
there's just questions.
I wanted something.
Brad (26:54):
There is and there is not.
I wanted something simplistic,and it questions I wanted
something there is and there isnot.
Dylan (26:58):
I wanted something simplistic and it's I gave you a
simplistic option and you justwere like I don't like that.
I'm not good at bikes.
Brad (27:05):
Oh, the Casey's tour no.
Dylan (27:09):
It's even easier.
It's not easier.
Brad (27:11):
How do you even do that?
How many Casey's are there?
Dylan (27:14):
No, no, no, no, not every Casey's.
You caseys are there?
No, no, not every casey's youjust you pick casey's in a
straight line.
Iowa at its shortest is 396miles, that's not very hard a
lot.
You can do it on a mountainbike.
Brad (27:35):
No, no, you need def.
Well, I mean, if you want todouble the time, sure, I don't
have a non-mountain bike, we'llget you a road bike it'll be fun
, but think about it every timeyou get to a casey's, you get
breakfast pizza and a twistedtea.
Dylan (27:45):
It's gonna be a great time.
Brad (27:46):
No, no and then no, no, okay, no I have enough butt
problems without casey's pizza,twisted tea and sitting on a
bike seat for fucking 396 miles.
Dylan (28:00):
That's your problem that is my problem it's a big problem
why is it, if we get you a bobthat we retrofit to have a
port-a-potty bob stroller?
Yeah, like yeah, the runningstroller that can also be
attached to the back of a bikeand you just pull me.
No, no, no, you'll pull yourown shit.
Brad (28:18):
No way, dude, it'd be funny.
That would be hard for me, thatwould be hard for me to sit in
a stroller while you ride yourbike.
Dylan (28:25):
Maybe you need to do something hard.
Brad (28:26):
Brad, that would be a challenge.
Dylan (28:28):
It would be a challenge.
Brad (28:32):
Unbeknownst to you.
I would just be.
Dylan (28:33):
Benounced.
Brad (28:35):
Benounced.
Dylan (28:37):
So you haven't announced it to me.
Benounced.
Brad (28:39):
Benounced.
It's O-W Benounced.
Let's say however I want to.
Okay, I would just be doing Madedibles In the stroller.
Dylan (28:50):
I can tell you some stories about that Not about me,
but people I know.
I would just be Night night, soI guess this brings up a good
question.
All right, it actually could bea bullshit question, probably
is how do you think that yourfamily would feel about the fact
that you need to do somethinghard to feel satisfied in life?
(29:14):
How do I think they would feelyeah, like if you it would.
They'd be like, oh what, we'renot good enough.
Brad (29:20):
Why would they think that?
Dylan (29:22):
We all know people are super rational and don't think
the worst case scenario ever.
Brad (29:26):
Uh, if, if that's something that gives me
fulfillment.
Dylan (29:32):
Yeah, but why aren't you getting fulfillment from them?
I am like who why is there onlyone type of fulfillment?
I agree, I'm just saying wheredo you find that balance?
When, when you're reaching, andwhen are you content?
And this isn't this isn't, thisisn't just to you right now,
but this is people in general,and I think I'm susceptible to
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this.
Where I don't, I don't take thewins.
When I get home, I just okay,we got there, it's behind me,
we're moving on, and now I needsomething greater and wins,
enough enough.
And when are you reaching?
When are you not reaching?
You know, how do you?
What's the dichotomy there?
And how do you understand whatis healthy, not healthy.
Brad (30:17):
I feel like you're projecting your shit onto me
right now.
Dylan (30:19):
A hundred percent.
That's like saying I'm askingfor help.
Brad, Quit making me feel likean asshole.
Brad (30:22):
That's like saying somebody has a job in an office
that they really love and andthen they go and work out after
work.
Dylan (30:30):
No, we're not like that.
Brad (30:31):
Well, why do you go work out after work and you're like
cause, I like that Well don'tyou like your job.
No, like that too.
That's not it, that's not it.
Okay, that's what it soundslike, though no, no, no, okay,
let me explain it better.
But so, so like why don't Ihave a family?
Dylan (30:49):
that no, I'm not, I'm not .
It's again, it's not.
It's not directed at you, butit is why.
Why do you need that thing sobad in your life?
Like, how do you describe thatto somebody?
Why do you need that so much?
Cause, as we've already talkedabout, families are hard.
(31:11):
Raising a family, being aloving husband, being a loving
father, being a caring coach why?
Brad (31:17):
do you need that?
For me personally, doing, doinghard things like that gives me
like I'm always, constantlylooking for perspective and that
helps.
Dylan (31:28):
So it's a clarifying.
It's a clarifying event.
Brad (31:31):
Usually I get something out of it.
I mean, I don't, I don't alwaysknow what that is, but I've
done enough of them to know thatI will get something out of it.
I mean, I don't, I don't alwaysknow what that is, but I've
done enough of them to know thatI I will get something from it.
And sometimes what I get isjust that I really fucking hated
doing that thing, I don't wantto do it anymore and the
everyday shit that I do ispretty awesome how many times
I've gotten off a bike where I'mlike I'm never fucking on the
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bike again.
And then you do it again, butsometimes that's good.
Dylan (31:59):
Yeah.
Brad (32:00):
Just.
Dylan (32:02):
I have zero opinion on the matter, by the way.
I'm just asking questions.
I'm trying to be a betterpodcast quote.
Brad (32:08):
Well, you know what the other thing is that, having been
reasonably healthy for a whilenow, healthy, healthy like gut
wise, yeah, not mentallyminimized, minimized physically
minimized crones yeah, so like Ihaven't had actual physical
(32:29):
pain in my life, so maybe I'mI'm at a point I'm able to
tolerate that for some otherreasons now.
Dylan (32:40):
Yeah, and I guess that's a that's an interesting
perspective from you, orsomebody who has lived with
hereditary or not.
Yeah, well, it's hereditary,but also just a chronic, chronic
thank you Chronic pain in somany different ways, whether
it's gut pain or, um, the Iguess that's a little bit mental
(33:03):
, but fear that you can't be toofar away from a, a safe spot
because of, you know, digestivereasons.
And now you're in a place whereyou're like, well, we, we've
gotten over that hurdle, wherewe know we're on the up and up
not saying forever, you knowthat's a whole different thing.
But now what can I goaccomplish?
(33:23):
Because I've missed all thoseyears.
You know how many years youwere down and out for about five
years really hard there,physically.
I mean you were still working.
You know, obviously you dolabor for a living in terms of
finishing carpentry, painting,et cetera, cat or furniture
making, but you were verylimited for, yeah, it's really
(33:45):
like making up, it's just theability.
I have the ability.
Brad (33:50):
I've always liked doing it and, yes, there were definitely
times where I probably wouldhave taken on some larger
adventures, had you know, hadthat not been the case.
Yeah, because at the time, likedehydration, oh, that was a
major no-no.
Yeah, like anytime it happened,that's always great for me in
(34:45):
terms of digestion.
Dylan (34:47):
You mean that bottle of Jack you always kept in your.
That was not high in calories.
Brad (34:52):
It was a reasonably skinny drink, but so, yeah, all of
those things kind of played intoa role of that, I guess.
But it was I don't know.
I'm just ready to hop back onthat train a little bit I like
it, I'm not against it, I'm justasking questions and maybe, I
(35:13):
don't know, maybe that wouldlead into something else.
like right now I don't, I'm notrunning outside of soccer, so I
run at soccer and I do sprintsand things like that.
I don't, I'm not doing distancestuff, but I think I could,
given.
Dylan (35:28):
What do you miss most physically when you were
physically active?
To what?
What do you miss doing the most?
Climbing, Climbing.
Brad (35:34):
Yeah, for sure, like it's dynamic, it's problem-solving,
it's very mental, it's verypositive so I'm gonna.
Dylan (35:46):
So there's that.
But if you have to think aboutI want to talk about manual
labor, brute force.
There's no way around it otherthan just enduring the suck, and
there's multiple versions ofthat.
Um, my example would beheavyweights long distances.
(36:06):
You know, farmers carrieslunges with weight, um, moving
smaller objects over longerdistances.
Is there anything from a bruteforce perspective that you
really enjoyed, that you missedbackpacking backpacking, yeah.
Brad (36:23):
Yeah, Um, I Again.
That's one of those thingswhere, if I'm healthy, it's
pretty fun.
If I'm not healthy, seven dayswith no toilet is sometimes
problematic.
Dylan (36:40):
It's a different story and there's a level of autonomy
there it's, on my back, andwhere I choose to go, I choose
to go.
Brad (36:48):
Well, and it's again, why do you like doing that?
Well, you get to the bestplaces that way.
I mean just hands down.
Dylan (36:56):
Went up to Maroon Bells a couple weeks ago and we took
the I forget the lake systemthat is, you know, like 10 miles
I think it's 10 miles on theother side of the maroon bells
pass or the, the main entrance,and all these people are
backpacking out that next daycouples, friends, and they just
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look, they look exhausted, butthey look so happy and they look
so content and they're like ohhave a great afternoon, have a
great afternoon, have a greatafternoon, and then you see
photos of what.
I've not been there yet.
I hiked a mile or so in andthen we had to get back for
other reasons.
Brad (37:44):
I want to go there and I want to spend a day or two or
three there, because that looksreally peaceful and based on all
these people's um faces,reactions, quality of life, um
qualitative measures I took theyall look really good, so that
must be a nice place over therewell, there's a mileage
correlation to that feeling also, so accomplishment like we're
(38:08):
talking about yeah, there'saccomplishment, there's a sense
of work and there is not aspecific type of person
physically no, it was all thatapplies to sizes but there is a
certain type of person mentallythat wants to do that.
and it's not a huge undertakingLike we would do day hikes where
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it's you know four or fivemiles in one way to to a lake or
something, and after mile one,maybe one and a half, that's
pretty much just you and then acouple of random people every
once in a while, and then youget to the lake and you might
see a person or another group ofpeople and then you walk back
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and it's.
It kind of reminds me of that.
That stat where it's somethingafter 30, age 30, something I
don't remember what the exactage is something like 85 to 90
percent of people will neversprint again.
That that's sad, I'm likethat's.
That's kind of what reminds meof there.
There's just this thresholdwhere everyone's like, nah, this
(39:15):
is enough scenery, I'll turnaround, go back yeah.
And yeah, I don't.
Dylan (39:21):
Maybe that's the anti-moderation part of me, but
exploration is exploration, in asense of my, of my guy I work
for Jamie, his.
His son is getting close tobeing a high schooler.
I think he's eighth grade.
Seventh grade I don't know, uh,but he has found his
(39:44):
independence and they startedfires in the bathroom.
Brad (39:48):
No, okay.
Dylan (39:49):
Different no, no different sense of freedom.
But he's out all day and it waslike the last half of this
summer, out all day texting dadintermittently hey I'm heading
here or I'm there, or hey I'mI'm all the way over here, but
we're gonna do this and I'm safeand I'm going to dinner.
(40:09):
Can I get you know, justchecking in, basically, when he
needed maybe a little hit to the, to the bank account, or just
to make sure that he wasn't tooout of our trouble.
It resonated with me because Iremember when I found my free,
like do you remember when youwere younger and you went from
(40:34):
being I'm in the house and nextto my parents all day and I'm
doing this too?
Oh, I'm my own person Like it.
Brad (40:40):
Yeah, but we kind of like I kind of grew up like that,
because it was a little more-rural.
Dylan (40:48):
I grew up very, very independent as well, but there
was a point in high school,middle school, high school for
me, where I was just my parentsjust didn't check in at all.
Brad (41:00):
But I mean it was like I'm on my own, I mean at like seven
we'd go out, we'd be on thefarm and we would just be like
we're going to go a couple milesaway and walk down the creek,
yeah, and we'll be back.
Dylan (41:18):
I guess we did that too.
Before it gets dark, we didthat.
Brad (41:21):
But that's all day.
Dylan (41:23):
I know.
Brad (41:24):
Which.
I mean Phoenix does that now,but it's not the same.
Dylan (41:29):
It's not the same because they're still within like a
little bit they're close andthey're.
Brad (41:33):
He's got a phone and we still know basically where he's
at.
Dylan (41:35):
We used to just go disappear and then you just knew
you had to be home by sunsetyeah, what's that sense of not
having anxiety as a parent likeI?
I have no idea I, I'm rightthere with you.
I can't imagine, because I likewe're just.
Brad (41:51):
There's just got to be a different sense.
And it wasn't that they didn'tcare, it was just I don't think
they, they just didn't have Idon't know how else to describe
it, other than they didn't havethe anxiety that we had.
They didn't know, they don't,they don't um not like when I
was older, I think my parentsdid like, as was driving.
Yeah, I think there was a senseof that, yeah, but when I was
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younger, I honestly think it wasjust like out of sight, out of
mind, mm-hmm.
It was like, oh yeah, he's withsomebody, and then that was it,
whatever.
And then he comes back.
Dylan (42:25):
That sense of freedom though, that sense of adventure,
that sense of wandering, it'sinfectious.
Brad (42:33):
And so I think, when you're I did that even in South
Dakota.
We started out on a hike and itseemed like it wasn't going to
go well for everybody, or thatit might just have not been a
great hike, and I was like, yeah, I just I'm going to keep going
.
So they turned around and itwas one where if I kept going
(42:56):
long enough, it would run backinto the road and you just pick
me up there and it was kind ofgreat.
Yeah, I don't know, I've seensome others.
There's something on I can'tremember if it's Netflix or
Amazon or something but there'sa guy that does some ridiculous
traverse in Alaska on his own.
That's, that's too much.
(43:19):
I don't want that muchadventure.
I don't want that much.
I don't want that many fliesand mosquitoes and I'm not super
keen on meeting grizzly bears,but maybe a little bit less than
that.
Dylan (43:35):
I mean, there's however tell me more.
Brad (43:39):
Timeframe is important because this guy was out.
I don't know how long that took, but let's say 30 to 60 days.
I would be very knowing me,like I know me now.
Uh, I probably would dosomething like that in my
twenties.
I don't know if I could likementally recover from that when
(44:02):
it was over.
Why, I don't know.
It's.
You get used to A lifestyle,this thing, even if it's the I
don't know that one.
Dylan (44:14):
Oh what Siri doesn't know that one.
How does she not know it?
I?
Brad (44:18):
don't, hey, don't say quit saying her name.
God, so, acting up, I don'tlike it.
Yeah, I, just acting up, Idon't like it.
Um, yeah, I, just I.
I guess you could compare uhthat feeling to the sense of,
(44:39):
like combat veterans, uh certainones, when they come back, and
it's just like this fuckingparanormal life is boring as
shit, like you're just used tobeing at a 10 all the time in
survival mode and I don't knowif that would be the the main
(45:00):
downfall, or for me it would itprobably would be more of the
like there's way too much stupidshit in our life.
Like there's way too muchstupid shit in our life, like
there was way too much noisethat would be hard for me to
cancel out after doing somethingthat long.
I think that would probably bethe hard part, cause I do that
in bits and pieces right nowanyways, and I think after a
(45:27):
month or two of clarity and thencoming back.
Dylan (45:27):
I've not been checked in for 60 days and this is what the
fucking world is.
Yeah, yeah.
Brad (45:32):
I remember the I think it's Ride the Divide, tour,
divide the Tour, divide.
So Ride the Divide is thedocumentary on it and the year
they did it.
Dylan (45:44):
Canada, Mexico.
Brad (45:45):
Yeah, along the Continental Divide, yeah.
Dylan (45:48):
Rye has the record for it , does he?
Yeah, wow, maybe not, I'd haveto look that up.
But Rye is an animal.
Rye is one of our friend of youknow, rye don't you.
Yeah, rye is a friend of ours,bike packing champion of.
I mean, just a crazy dude thatrides his bike everywhere and is
(46:10):
just better at it than everyoneelse, and gone across the
country each way west to east,east to west and, uh, north,
south to north, just and thosepeople are super interesting to
me because of that.
Brad (46:26):
That kind of mental state where it's you enjoy it, like do
you have to keep chasing, thatsense a lot Can you settle into.
Like I think the trick isfinding something that is
equally as interesting, that issomewhat more stable.
Dylan (46:47):
Yeah.
Brad (46:48):
And that's not for everybody.
Some people do just kind ofchase.
You know that becomes theirlifestyle.
Dylan (46:54):
And I'm not saying reg bra is hard, but something hard
for me on reg bra is not thephysicality.
My legs aren't going to fail.
I know they're going to fail.
I can go in untrained at mycurrent state.
There are probably states Icould get to where I wouldn't be
able to do that, and there areprobably states I could get to
where I wouldn't be able to dothat.
Um, and I won't be in my youknow I won't be able to be at
peak performance, but I getbored.
(47:15):
I'm on my bike and I'm justbored.
Yeah, I'm bored.
That's why even even if I'mriding with some of my best
friends or people that I meetand we go to, we're like, oh,
we're like, oh, we're on our wayto the next party and there's
excitement and adrenaline.
I'm just like I got 10 miles tobe right here sitting on my
(47:36):
bike and my legs don't even hurt.
But the pain of being bored ismore aggressive than the
physicality of being in so muchpain.
Brad (47:47):
That's one of the reasons I never wanted to get into road
biking.
It's and I've.
I love mountain biking.
I've.
Dylan (47:53):
I've wondered that, like if, if rag bride was actually a
race, cause I raced.
Brad (47:59):
I've been in races.
There's a different element toit.
Dylan (48:02):
I think I could get zoned in and be like I don't want
anyone to beat me.
I think I could probably getzoned in and and do that, but
when it's just, I have completeand utter freedom, no matter
what I'm doing.
Brad (48:15):
Um, it's boring so that that tour divide had two.
They followed multiple writersand the one guy that made it and
won it that year, uh, his wifewas pregnant and like was gonna
have a baby real quick, likepossibility of having it while
he was on the divide, and so hemade it down to mexico and, uh,
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his wife's pregnant, due at anymoment, and he's, like you know
I'm I think I'm just gonna stayhere for a couple of days Just
like decompress through thewhole thing.
So he just completed this epicthing and then you're about to
literally go home and have yourlife just turned upside down all
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over again in a completelydifferent way.
Dylan (49:14):
In a way that brings kind of a needed stability.
How can you, how can you not dosomething like that and have
your whole world?
Brad (49:17):
not revolve around it.
You can't go do something likethat, no.
Dylan (49:20):
And then you can't just get oh, I'm getting ripped out
three hours later and headinghome.
Yeah, you absolutely need todecompress, uh but yeah, it's.
Brad (49:31):
it was an interesting juxtaposition of doing this
thing where every single day isyou're, yes, you're writing, but
it's different, it's different,different, different challenge,
challenge and challenge andthen, uh, knowing that you're
going to go home and it's adifferent sort of challenge, but
it's, it's more like consistent, like you, just you, you know
(49:53):
what you're gonna be doing andyou got to do it every day, like
the consistency has to be there.
Dylan (49:57):
I'm going to wake up tomorrow and do 180 miles,
whether I like it or not, yeah.
And then I'm going to go to bedfor five hours and then I'm
going to do it again.
Brad (50:04):
But then on the flip side of that, and it was a girl and I
, I think she ended up finishing, she was gonna quit and some
people met her.
But she got to this town afterdoing a massive downhill ride
and, um, she just got to thepoint where she's like you're
doing this thing and it's hardand the scenery is beautiful,
(50:27):
and it's hard, and the sceneryis beautiful, and she's hard and
the scenery is beautiful, andshe's like it's just fucking,
another day of gorgeous sceneryand another day of gorgeous
scenery.
And I, I, I don't know if Iwant to do it anymore.
You know, I it's almost theopposite of road biking, in the
sense that, okay, oh, I'm just,this is just a highway in a
(50:50):
cornfield.
Dylan (50:52):
Hey, you watch your fucking mouth.
Brad (50:53):
And for her it was.
This is another beautifulmeadow, and here's another
beautiful mountain scene, andhere's a.
And it does you start losing alittle bit of sense of that.
If you've done like a long hike, wow, this is amazing.
And then two miles later, thisis amazing.
Two miles later, amazing, thisis amazing.
And if you do it long enoughand it's hard enough, you start,
(51:14):
you start losing a little senseof that I'm guilty of that yeah
I.
Dylan (51:21):
I don't know if you cannot do that and that I think
this goes full circle back towhy a time parameter probably
has to happen, because I said 18hours okay, that's fine.
I'm not.
I'm not asking for exacts rightnow.
I'm giving it to you.
Brad (51:40):
I'm just saying 50 pounds, 50 miles, 18 hours.
It's's a nice, nice even number.
Dylan (51:50):
Okay.
Brad (51:50):
That's a solid pace with some breaks.
When are we doing this Beforeit snows?
Dylan (51:59):
Okay.
Brad (51:59):
Not in the snow.
Dylan (52:01):
Okay.
Brad (52:02):
Definitely not on the ice.
Dylan (52:03):
Okay.
Brad (52:04):
That's it, and we will podcast immediately after and
decide the next thing 10 hours.
No, you're not doing 10 hours.
Dylan (52:15):
No, no, no, I'm talking about 10 hours of pipe.
I will do a 10 hour break andthen we'll podcast.
No right after, right after,okay.
Brad (52:22):
Come on, I'm not setting this up.
It's got to be set up already.
Dylan (52:26):
Yeah.
Brad (52:27):
Yeah, okay, we just got to .
This can be the end.
Okay, we just come in drop.
Dylan (52:32):
Are we going to go to like Scott County Park?
Are we going to do?
Brad (52:35):
Ooh, I don't know yet.
I don't have the route.
Okay, something loops, thoughLoops are nice.
Dylan (52:44):
Loops are really nice.
Brad (52:45):
Yeah, there's also a mental challenge to loops,
because I hate it gives you theoption to stop.
Dylan (52:55):
Yeah, I hate loops.
Do you know what I always doreally well with out and backs?
No, I hate out, and bikes too,I don't want I don't want to
repeat the scenery, I just wantit's different.
I just, I just want to be thatway oh just a one way.
I just want to be one way.
I don't like one way I love oneway it's because it's new every
day.
Brad (53:12):
It's a new every second yeah, but there's that means
you're getting closer but you'redependent on getting back
somehow too possibly and theimmortal words of dave chapelle
I don't have it queued up, I'mnot coming back.
Dylan (53:29):
No, we'll say it another time.
Brad (53:30):
Oh okay, that's fine.
So yeah, it is October 1st aswe record this, so before
December we're talking 60 days.
Dylan (53:43):
We're going to have to complete this within 60 days.
Yeah, that sounds terrible.
What shoes are you wearing?
Brad (53:50):
Oh, I'm not sure the hookahs are nice.
Okay, I do enjoy those.
Dylan (53:55):
Yeah, trying to think what I did my.
Are we doing 50 pounds on avest or 50 pounds on a?
Brad (54:02):
row, don't matter, I'll do backpack.
I don.
I don't really enjoy the vest.
I probably enjoy the vest morethan the rock.
Dylan (54:13):
Really.
The rock just starts to rub thelower back Because it all hangs
there, even if you get it uphigh.
No.
Brad (54:20):
I'm good with that.
Dylan (54:21):
Okay.
Brad (54:22):
It's all nice and broken in.
I don't have a vest.
Dylan (54:27):
Buy one.
Brad (54:28):
Yeah, I don't want to do a new one, though.
Okay, that seems unreasonable.
I I feel like I'm beingsuffocated when I wear a vest.
That's true too.
I don't love it.
I am going to have an issuewith my hands.
I gotta start hydrating more.
I think, even when I walk.
Now I get that.
What is that?
(54:48):
That build that puffiness?
A little bit, yeah, just alittle bit.
It gets way worse when you havestraps digging into your
shoulders, probably, yeah, it'snot going to help.
So after this Portillo's, I'mgoing to start hydrating.
Dylan (55:04):
Love it.
Okay, okay, that's 57 minutes45 seconds about hard things.
Great bye, brad bye.
You're still here it's over gohome go.
This is the Terribly Unoblivious Podcast.
Brad (00:03):
Yep.
Dylan (00:05):
I said it before and I'll say it again Life moves pretty
fast.
Brad (00:10):
You don't stop and look around once in a while, you
could miss it.
Dylan (00:22):
Personal growth and acceptance.
Brad (00:25):
I just heard the news today.
Dylan (00:28):
Which one Are you going with a?
Brad (00:31):
celebrity death?
Dylan (00:32):
No, because there's been a lot of celebrity deaths.
It seems my life is going tochange.
Brad (00:36):
Tell me more.
I close my eyes and begin topray.
Tears of joy stream down myface.
Dylan (00:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's prolific.
You want to expand on that?
Brad (00:51):
Arms wide open.
Dylan (00:53):
Where is Scott Stafford right now?
I don't know.
Brad (00:58):
They're coming back, aren't they?
I think they're coming back.
Dylan (01:00):
Lou saw them at the Jones County Fair.
Are they coming back?
What's the what's is JonesJones County fair?
Brad (01:04):
Are they coming?
Dylan (01:04):
back what's what's my is Jones Makoketa.
He saw them and he said it wasepic.
Brad (01:11):
Really Mm-hmm.
I felt like they were puttingsomething new out.
Dylan (01:16):
I don't know if they're creating new material, but
apparently they're still playingarms wide open.
Brad (01:22):
I mean they've got a.
They got a good base know, yeah, kind of like nickel back no no
no, no, I mean they've got likethe christian bass.
Like you can always just rollback in and tap that, hey, we're
back we got this album out.
Dylan (01:41):
We've got the whitest doves you've ever seen.
It's just yeah.
Brad (01:47):
They just let it go, eat it up.
Dylan (01:50):
What's been going on, man ?
It's been a while.
It's been a minute, yeah, eventhough what will happen is the
podcast we did a long time agothat I still haven't released
will probably be like week toweek after this.
Everybody will be like, oh no,Brad and Dylan were just there.
Yeah, and when I say everyone,I mean like five of you.
Brad (02:07):
Uh, when oh, it was over the this past weekend.
Shane's like when are you guysgoing to make some more?
I'm like we, we made some more.
Yeah Well, we're in season, notpodcast season.
Dylan (02:25):
Sorry, brad and I are in everlasting debate of are there
seasons or not seasons?
If we're not a crime podcast,yeah.
Brad (02:34):
Season 1.2.
The 5.
Dylan (02:38):
Yeah, we just go do versions.
Brad (02:47):
We did.
I think we have establishedover uh the course of this
summer, early fall, that doingthis is probably better for my
mental health.
I think it's better foreveryone's mental health
involved yeah, maybe notshannon's, sure.
Why not?
It's because I had to leave herwith the boys tonight and it
didn't seem to be going well.
Dylan (03:03):
Is capital punishment too extreme?
Brad (03:11):
You just look in the rear view mirror and you see smoke as
you drive away.
It's going to be fine.
Dylan (03:15):
Don't worry about it.
It's even better when you leavekindling around the house like
didn't do chores, didn't dohomework.
Brad (03:21):
Oh, speaking of fire, let's talk about it, phoenix.
Dylan (03:25):
Are we talking about Billy Joel that you didn fire?
Let's talk about it.
Brad (03:29):
Phoenix, are we talking about Billy Joel, that you?
Dylan (03:30):
didn't start it.
Phoenix started it.
Okay, so yeah.
Brad (03:33):
So very Russian of him.
He had a little freedom thisweekend and what does freedom
mean?
Dylan (03:43):
Lack of oversight, Okay, so we need you to give the
audience context overview, taste, smell senses he just had a
little free time with friends.
Okay.
Brad (03:57):
And because we had another game, so they had a little
unsupervised, you know, spat oftime.
Dylan (04:07):
Yeah.
Brad (04:08):
And and some weird things happened.
What is weird?
How old is Phoenix Warren?
Dylan (04:24):
He's middle-aged for a teenager.
No, that's not true.
Is he a teenager?
He's a teenager.
No, that's not true.
Is he a teenager?
He's a teenager.
Okay, so he's a teenager.
And it's weird, for a teenagercan go um.
There's.
Brad (04:32):
There's a paradigm so I get home or continuum.
Dylan (04:36):
I should say that I can't remember.
Brad (04:37):
I can't remember if this was that same day or the day
before I get home and go to thebathroom.
The bathroom smells likecologne body spray, which is.
I cannot imagine being ateacher in middle school with
these fucking kids.
Dylan (04:54):
Okay, continue.
Brad (04:55):
They're potent, like the amount of spray that they use,
even after school.
This isn't a new phenomenon, no, I know.
Dylan (05:01):
But like him and a friend , will like get in my even after
school like this isn't a newphenomenon no, I know, but like
him and him and a friend willlike get in my van after school.
Brad (05:08):
I'm like fuck what.
What are you guys doing?
Are you just?
It's a spray?
Are you cutting it off and justpouring it on you?
Or?
Dylan (05:19):
it's too much okay.
Brad (05:21):
So I walk in the bathroom it smells like that, not
surprising, right.
And then I go to the bathroombut I wash my hands.
I look up at the mirror.
The mirror looks like it islike steamed over, but only on
one half.
Okay, well, that doesn't makesense.
So go to wipe it off.
It's super oily.
I was like, oh, there's likebody spray all over the mirror,
(05:46):
like to the point where it'salmost dripping.
So not an accidental like oops,I missed my armpit, you know,
like all over the place, yeah.
The floor is super slippery, solike it's all over the floor.
Was it pledge?
No, it wasn't.
That's not funny, that'sdangerous.
Okay, it's dangerous.
Okay, don't do that.
Trick people.
That's how people get brokentailbones, facts.
(06:10):
So there's that.
I'm like, okay, who's in herefucking around with this?
Because that's not his style,so somebody else was probably
messing with it.
That's what I thought, uh.
And then later that night he'sfolding paper towels in half as
many times as he can.
He's got two of them.
Okay, where's this going?
(06:31):
He's like I got this battery.
I was like, okay.
He's like I got this aluminumfoil and I was like, now I know
where it's going and so he takesthe, the, the, the paper towels
and puts the tinfoil on thepositive and negative and then
proceeds to drop the batterylike six times in a row.
I was like this trick is stupid.
I'm not watching this anymore.
(06:51):
So I got what he was trying todo, but he never accomplished it
.
Dylan (06:56):
Then we're outside For the audience.
Why don't you explain what hewas trying to do?
Brad (07:00):
He was trying to connect the circuit and then the foil
gets hot, I'm assuming, starts.
I don't know what it does.
Okay, I didn't get to see it.
Okay, because he couldn't holdon to it long enough.
It didn't really make sense touse using paper towels, though I
mean I get it, he was trying toinsulate his hands was he
trying to make like a homemade,pura, what's that, what's that?
Dylan (07:21):
like a like an, an oil diffuser.
Is that what that is?
Brad (07:25):
I don't know, I have one.
Yeah, I have that brand.
Here you go fancy so then we'reout to save you 65 a month so
then we're outside and I noticea big rock, uh, that we have
that is around one of the trees,but it's not around the tree,
it's in the sidewalk.
And then I look down thesidewalk and there's like a
couple more big rocks and thenthere's a lighter, like a stick
lighter and a piece of wood thatlooks black on the end, and
(07:49):
then all of these things connectflamethrower.
He's playing with fire yeahessentially yeah pyro.
And then that night at dinnershannon said something about he
was trying to.
He was asking about aerosolsand and making basically like a
flamethrower, yeah, and then thelight bulb went off and I was
(08:12):
like, are you fucking trying tomake a flamethrower in my
goddamn bathroom with fuckingbody spray right now?
Is that what happened?
Is that how it got all over themirror because it didn't catch
on fire?
And he just what happened?
No, okay, I see what you'redoing here.
You got to get a lot smarterClean up after yourselves.
Dylan (08:34):
And go get Aquanet from Walmart Also.
Is it still coming a fuchsiapinkish, can I?
Brad (08:38):
don't know, but that's what they used to blow up
pumpkins with Aquanet.
Dylan (08:44):
Aquanet yeah, yeah, potato gun, that's what they
they used to blow up pumpkinswith.
Brad (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, potato gun, you just throw that oh, but they
don't even figure this stuffout on their own.
He saw tiktoks on it so likechina's invading no, just I felt
like I knew about sounds likeit sounds like china's invading.
I felt like I knew aboutaquanet and blowing up at seven.
That's true, because they would, they would go and they would
(09:10):
pull the tops off the pumpkinsand just fill that thing up and
then toss a match as you'rerunning away.
Dylan (09:18):
Nope, yeah, I'm not saying I didn't do stupid stuff,
I'm just so.
Information obviously traveledfast before we had the internet,
not saying that it hasn'texpedited that process or or
made it faster, um, butobviously you got really bad
(09:40):
ideas from your neighborhoodfriends because they heard
something from their friends.
Brad (09:43):
So it's not like well there's only so many things the
internet, the devil there's onlyso many things to do, though.
Right like now.
You have an infinite number ofideas that you could try.
You just have to stumble acrossthem through what was that
really?
Dylan (09:58):
what was that?
Was that back in like 2006,2007, the arsonist toolbox like
somebody wrote that book, but itwas really like a blogger, it
was like a blogger website andthen they they attributed all
these things to that guy thatwas talking about how to.
He never actually got indictedor anything, but he wrote a
whole book about how to makebombs and with household objects
(10:21):
the arsonist it was on thetoday show I at one point.
I mean probably a lot more newsoutlets than that.
Thanks, matt Lauer.
Brad (10:28):
There's a podcast about something similar to that.
It was a fire marshal I thoughtit was hot time Fire
investigator, I think thepodcast is called Firebug
(10:50):
investigator, I think it's.
The podcast is called firebugand he seemed to be really good
at solving what was starting allof these fires.
It was in california in likethe 70s, late 70s, early 80s, I
think.
And spoiler alert yeah, he wassetting them.
He had a very specific.
Was his name ted alert?
Yeah, he was setting them.
He had a very specific.
Was his name ted?
It could have been I don'tremember, but yeah, he had.
(11:11):
He had this thing where he woulddo like a cigarette and then he
would wrap it in I don't knowlike, say, a book of matches or
something right.
So he'd walk into a store andhe would find these things.
That was a specific type oflike foam, so like a foam
padding or something like that,and they ignited quickly and
(11:31):
burned really hot and so hewould light it it's not true,
actually and then the cigaretteacted as a timer and then the
thing would go off sitting onthe foam and then, yeah, the
whole thing would go down.
So it's kind of wild.
Dylan (11:49):
That's wild.
Yeah, chat.
Gpt has censored us, so we haveno idea.
Censored us?
Yeah, it won't search thearsonist toolbox for us.
Brad (11:59):
Probably a good idea.
Probably.
Probably because you spelledarsonist wrong.
Dylan (12:03):
Yeah, but it can read through that.
Oh Also, but it can readthrough that.
Oh Also, that screen's at anangle and I can't see shit from
here.
Brad (12:08):
That's okay, there is a.
I saw another.
I just got back on TikTokyesterday.
Dylan (12:16):
I've been off for months.
I'm not on.
I've never been on.
It's the same shit Differentday.
Yeah, it's like, yeah it.
Brad (12:20):
It's the same shit Different day yeah.
Yeah, it's like yeah it's thesame shit I was watching fucking
four months ago.
It's almost like they know you,yeah, yeah, they got my
algorithm down pretty good, yeah.
But there is a uh like a like asurvival country music, survival
guide book and survival thatthat this kind of reminds me of
(12:43):
where it's.
Oh, you want to make homemadedynamite, just in case you, you
might need it.
Oh, there's a lot of otheruseful things like plants as
medicine, things like that.
But uh, if I knew the name ofit I'd probably my favorite.
I just don't tell you.
Dylan (12:58):
It's like the hands it's just hands out in like a very
beautiful setting, whether itlooks like a very exotic um,
riverside, mountainside, andthen they cook like a very nice
looking steak on what appears tobe a rock a rock, yes, or some
(13:19):
very well seasoned cast iron, oryeah, those are my favorite.
Like what?
Why?
Why the hell are they targetingme on that?
Brad (13:25):
I I enjoy the people that lean really hard into the one
thing, one specific thing.
Yeah, some of them are verypopular, like the uh bradley
thor that chops wood he's, Idon't know that he's very
popular.
Okay, like liver king no, no,he's like like he's a good
(13:46):
looking like kind of built dude,but just normal.
Basically, yeah, and I don'tknow how that all started, but
uh, very signature like overalllike suspenders, you know, and
then it's like he's gotta takehim off every time.
Dylan (14:03):
Yeah, johnny's getting ready to split wood.
Brad (14:05):
Yeah, it's like why you fucking put them on, yeah, in
the first place.
You know what's happening,because girls like see him take
them off, yeah, yeah.
So it's kind of like lingerie,yeah, I guess in that sense I.
Dylan (14:18):
So during co only fans kind of came, become, became
popular during covid.
I feel like I I'm not exploded,it exploded during covid and uh
, I said if I really wanted tomake money I would just get a
six-pack and then I would dochores shirtless around the
(14:40):
house as a male.
Okay, I would just do laundry.
Okay, organize the pantry, cook, yeah, maybe, maybe wipe down
the baseboards.
Brad (14:49):
I thought that account would have gone viral yeah, but
you do have to be very peoplelike seeing the same thing for
some reason that's what I'msaying.
Dylan (14:58):
I feel like a clean um full of the whites.
Brad (15:03):
Oh, there is a kid who I don't know.
He's an older teenager maybemaybe a little bit older than
that.
He does a whole thing.
How many of blank will hold mewhile I do a pull up?
So he's got a pull up bar andthen he's like how many saltine
(15:24):
crackers stacked on top of eachother will hold me?
He goes one, two, three andlike he dead weight hangs and
then they break and then he justkeeps going and then like he'll
use laptops.
That's the shtick, that's it.
That's all he does.
I hate this world.
I hate this world.
I hate this world.
(15:45):
Yeah, he probably has hundredsof them.
Dylan (15:49):
All right, I'm bored of this conversation we talked
about in our own personalconversations off air.
You've come to me a coupletimes the past few weeks and
you're like Dylan, I just wantto do something hard.
First of all, I never say yourname no, you're right, I put
that part in of all.
I never say your name no,you're right, I put that part in
.
Sorry, I paraphrasedincorrectly, but yes.
Brad (16:10):
I have said that.
Dylan (16:10):
Okay.
So what do you want to do?
That's hard and define, hardand define.
You just want to.
You just want a task to go outand tackle.
What do you want?
What are you?
What are you looking to defineyourself by?
Brad (16:34):
Before I to go out and tackle what do you want?
What are you?
What are you looking to defineyourself by?
Before I came here, I saw avideo uh, this girl mimicking
that she was going to therapy.
She's like, ah, I signed up fora triathlon.
And therapist is like oh,that's great.
Um, when did you decide that?
She's like?
A couple days ago.
Dylan (16:41):
She's like like oh, so have you actually committed?
Brad (16:45):
Why did you do that?
She's like I just want to seeif I can do it.
She's like to do what?
Like I just want to see if I'mcapable.
She's like do you do that a lot, like sign up for triathlons?
No, like see if you're capableand then the girl's like.
Dylan (17:09):
I think we're done for the day.
I can't answer that question.
Brad (17:12):
I don't want to answer that question.
No, we did.
Dylan (17:24):
Well, I don't know why.
Honestly, what are you missingthat this is going to fill a?
Brad (17:26):
this is going to fill a hole in your, in your heart.
I just like testing boundaries,like you've done a lot of hard
shit, though, like some of the,I just like testing my
boundaries.
I won't.
Dylan (17:36):
I won't discuss what we've talked about, what would
be hard, until we're ready to,until you're ready to put that
out there, but I feel likethat's something you've could do
and something that you've donesimilar things to.
So why do you think that this,that one, would test your
boundaries?
Brad (17:52):
I mean my boundaries change, Like they're probably a
lot lower than they used to be.
Dylan (17:58):
Yeah, but we're talking about you're talking about.
You're talking aboutphysicality versus mental
fortitude.
Brad (18:03):
No, but that's I think that's what I like is the mental
part of it.
It's like I want to dosomething that is physically
very difficult butaccomplishable physically.
But I think what you and then Iwant to see if mentally I can
(18:23):
withstand that or not.
Dylan (18:24):
So I'm actually going to just kind of spill the beans.
Brad wants to started with 100pounds, 100 miles.
That was stupid, okay, and thenyou went down to maybe we need
to start with 50 pounds, 50miles.
Brad (18:37):
I realized quickly how much I actually weigh, how much
you weigh and that 100 pounds isprobably not a great start.
How much?
Dylan (18:43):
do you?
Brad (18:43):
weigh Like 170.
Dylan (18:46):
Yeah, that's a terrible idea, Brad 30-some percent seems
much more.
Brad (18:53):
30% seems way better than 60%.
Dylan (19:00):
But my question becomes and there's I guess it's our
shoes.
Brad (19:06):
Am I going to wear?
Dylan (19:07):
it.
It starts in all that too.
Yeah, is it?
Are you a Hoka guy or are younot?
Um, I do have Hoka's there.
Yeah, are you trying to go inuntrained?
Are you trying to go in trained, are you?
Brad (19:20):
where's the balance?
Like most things in my life,semi.
But Where's the balance?
Like most things in my lifesemi, but even semi Semi trained
.
Dylan (19:28):
It's not.
It's a difficult task.
I'm not minimizing it but I cut.
Brad (19:35):
I think the 50 for 50 would be a bit of a training.
Dylan (19:40):
Is there a time?
Is there a time domain?
Hmm, See, I think you probablyshould be.
I was going to say there has to, because what you've done is
just like I'm just going tobrute force it through this and
not saying there's anythingwrong with brute forcing
anything through anything, butit's kind of just a but.
The idea was simple.
(20:00):
You have the, you're gonna have.
You have spite in your bodywhich just says I'm gonna do
this no matter what, which isgreat.
But is it really a true test offortitude because you got it?
A true test of fortitude isgetting through the demons that
are in somebody's body.
That says we're going to getpast the spite, we're going to
get past this and we're reallygoing to test them at their
(20:21):
rawest 18 hours.
I don't know man, that lookslike 16.666 repeating yeah,
that's so, you got it.
That was 20 minute miles I don'tknow, man, what's the elevation
?
That's a whole other factor.
There's no fucking elevation,okay, so you just are.
I'm just saying, yeah, there'snot a, there's not a route, so
(20:44):
so what I'm saying is you'rebored and you want something
yeah yeah but all you got to saybut you haven't thought it
through all the way by, becauseif you wanted to test yourself,
it would really test yourself,and when it when it's testing
yourself, it can't and this issomething I want to talk to you
about it can't be Friday at 7 pmto Sunday at 8 pm, because I
(21:08):
don't have any of theresponsibilities or things I
have to do.
It needs to test you personallytoo and professionally, like
okay well, is this going toaffect other things?
Brad (21:18):
yeah, I mean it could.
If I trip and fall and the packlands on my face yeah, that
doesn't count, but it's possible.
Dylan (21:26):
Okay, what are you sacrificing in the way?
Because you could do that.
By the way, you could do eitherof those if you really wanted
to.
Right now, it would bemiserable but you could do it I
don't think I could do thehundred, just if you had a food
supply and water and all thatunlimited time that's what I'm
saying.
Unlimited time yeah, that's notunlimited time, though.
(21:46):
Well, hey, nobody got time forthat just how do you, how do you
put boundaries on yourself toreally push it when it's I can't
, I'm not, I going to, I can'tsit down right now.
I have to push past this momentwhere I don't want to keep
moving.
I'm not going zero to a hundred.
Brad (22:02):
right now, though Should like oh okay.
Don't ask, I don't think so.
Dylan (22:10):
I'm the peanut gallery, maybe maybe I don't think you
should go zero to a hundredovernight but I think you should
do something that you have toactually sacrifice for which is
okay Three nights a week.
I don't get to do this with myfamily because I need to do this
for me.
Brad (22:31):
And then I have it.
Dylan (22:32):
Then I have a time domain where it's I.
If I sit down now, I'm going tolose half a second or 30
seconds now, and that's going tobe impossible to make up on the
backside, where the margins areso razor thin that you just
have to keep moving okay, if youchoose to sit down, then that's
when you you lost the game soyou're talking about a sacrifice
(22:54):
leading up to a challenge.
Brad (22:56):
I I think that's what that sounded like.
Dylan (22:59):
To me a challenge is is both professionally and personal
.
I don't.
Brad (23:03):
I don't want professional challenge.
Dylan (23:05):
Okay Then is it really a challenge?
Why so, if you split half yourlife up and if it doesn't affect
the other half, you haveanother safety blanket over
there.
Brad (23:14):
No, I don't do well when I get back from vacations, which
are fun.
Yeah, welcome to the club.
Dylan (23:23):
Like I'm not sure that I want to dedicate half my life
currently to, so are you gettingeverything out of it you want
out of it?
Brad (23:34):
to a random challenge.
Yeah, I want to go play in thesandbox.
Dylan (23:37):
Okay, that's fine it's like I say, yeah, I actually
don't want to do hard stuff, Ijust want to play in the sandbox
.
I want to play in the sandbox,okay I might want to do hard
stuff, but not right now.
Brad (23:47):
Okay, that's fair it's uh, I feel like I'm, I'm.
I'm at the moment wheresomebody does their first 5k and
they're like, oh, you knowwhat'd be fun next, maybe like
half marathon it's, it's a leadinto that, like, okay, I did
this thing, I thought I could dothis thing.
I did this thing.
Now I know where I'm at.
(24:09):
I haven't done anything hardfor a long time it sounds like
you're raising a family.
Dylan (24:14):
That sounds extremely hard and that's.
That's not a joke, I'm just.
It sounds difficult Like.
So how do you go about saying Ihaven't done anything hard?
Brad (24:24):
In a short period of time 24, 48 hours.
Dylan (24:31):
I mean, I've seen the way you talk about your.
I'm just kidding.
Brad (24:35):
I mean I've had some hard times, but it's a great bar,
mullen Epic.
Dylan (24:47):
No epic adventures, I don't know you miss climbing at
all.
Brad (24:53):
Yeah, we've actually pushed some boundaries a a
little bit as a family, like onvacations, like doing some stuff
that is on your own, was itcorbin?
Dylan (25:04):
was the one that thought you were gonna die of starvation
or thirst did he no, I don'tknow.
You were talking to me aboutthe hike in colorado where they
were like I am going to die, he,I don't know what dude?
Brad (25:18):
yeah, uh, no, we went to south dakota I don't know if
they could have been last year.
In utah we ran out of waterlike that's right at the end.
Yeah, the one, yeah oh, we got,we got lost for like, yeah,
fucking five minutes that's whatI'm saying, and he's like ah,
we're almost out of water, wedon't know where we're at.
Like, you guys are the worst.
(25:38):
No, actually in south dakota,phoenix was the one that was
phoenix.
Dylan (25:42):
He was like we can't this .
Brad (25:44):
We're not going the right way.
We're supposed to be goingdownhill.
We're going back uphill.
We're lost.
We don't know where we're going.
I'm like, fucking, you don'tknow where you're going.
I know exactly where I'm goingand then we had a.
We had a false end.
So we come down this trail andwe're coming into a parking lot
and we think it's our parkinglot, not our.
It's not our parking lot, soour parking lot's still like a
mile and a half away.
So you come up on this thing,yes, and then you realize wait,
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there's a giant lake by ourparking lot and it's shit here.
And then corbin comes runningdown behind us and he's like yay
, and then he sees the no us andhe's like yay, and then he sees
the no lake and he's like we'regoing to die, we're not going
to make it, but that's good forthem.
So like I want that feeling oflike you almost give up and then
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you keep pushing and you findsome new boundaries and I've
done that before, I haven't doneit for a while and reevaluate.
Dylan (26:43):
So you think lugging around 50 pounds for 50 miles is
going to do that for?
Brad (26:46):
you Maybe, I don't know Okay.
Dylan (26:50):
It just seems there's no right or wrong answers here,
there's just questions.
I wanted something.
Brad (26:54):
There is and there is not.
I wanted something simplistic,and it questions I wanted
something there is and there isnot.
Dylan (26:58):
I wanted something simplistic and it's I gave you a
simplistic option and you justwere like I don't like that.
I'm not good at bikes.
Brad (27:05):
Oh, the Casey's tour no.
Dylan (27:09):
It's even easier.
It's not easier.
Brad (27:11):
How do you even do that?
How many Casey's are there?
Dylan (27:14):
No, no, no, no, not every Casey's.
You caseys are there?
No, no, not every casey's youjust you pick casey's in a
straight line.
Iowa at its shortest is 396miles, that's not very hard a
lot.
You can do it on a mountainbike.
Brad (27:35):
No, no, you need def.
Well, I mean, if you want todouble the time, sure, I don't
have a non-mountain bike, we'llget you a road bike it'll be fun
, but think about it every timeyou get to a casey's, you get
breakfast pizza and a twistedtea.
Dylan (27:45):
It's gonna be a great time.
Brad (27:46):
No, no and then no, no, okay, no I have enough butt
problems without casey's pizza,twisted tea and sitting on a
bike seat for fucking 396 miles.
Dylan (28:00):
That's your problem that is my problem it's a big problem
why is it, if we get you a bobthat we retrofit to have a
port-a-potty bob stroller?
Yeah, like yeah, the runningstroller that can also be
attached to the back of a bikeand you just pull me.
No, no, no, you'll pull yourown shit.
Brad (28:18):
No way, dude, it'd be funny.
That would be hard for me, thatwould be hard for me to sit in
a stroller while you ride yourbike.
Dylan (28:25):
Maybe you need to do something hard.
Brad (28:26):
Brad, that would be a challenge.
Dylan (28:28):
It would be a challenge.
Brad (28:32):
Unbeknownst to you.
I would just be.
Dylan (28:33):
Benounced.
Brad (28:35):
Benounced.
Dylan (28:37):
So you haven't announced it to me.
Benounced.
Brad (28:39):
Benounced.
It's O-W Benounced.
Let's say however I want to.
Okay, I would just be doing Madedibles In the stroller.
Dylan (28:50):
I can tell you some stories about that Not about me,
but people I know.
I would just be Night night, soI guess this brings up a good
question.
All right, it actually could bea bullshit question, probably
is how do you think that yourfamily would feel about the fact
that you need to do somethinghard to feel satisfied in life?
(29:14):
How do I think they would feelyeah, like if you it would.
They'd be like, oh what, we'renot good enough.
Brad (29:20):
Why would they think that?
Dylan (29:22):
We all know people are super rational and don't think
the worst case scenario ever.
Brad (29:26):
Uh, if, if that's something that gives me
fulfillment.
Dylan (29:32):
Yeah, but why aren't you getting fulfillment from them?
I am like who why is there onlyone type of fulfillment?
I agree, I'm just saying wheredo you find that balance?
When, when you're reaching, andwhen are you content?
And this isn't this isn't, thisisn't just to you right now,
but this is people in general,and I think I'm susceptible to
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this.
Where I don't, I don't take thewins.
When I get home, I just okay,we got there, it's behind me,
we're moving on, and now I needsomething greater and wins,
enough enough.
And when are you reaching?
When are you not reaching?
You know, how do you?
What's the dichotomy there?
And how do you understand whatis healthy, not healthy.
Brad (30:17):
I feel like you're projecting your shit onto me
right now.
Dylan (30:19):
A hundred percent.
That's like saying I'm askingfor help.
Brad, Quit making me feel likean asshole.
Brad (30:22):
That's like saying somebody has a job in an office
that they really love and andthen they go and work out after
work.
Dylan (30:30):
No, we're not like that.
Brad (30:31):
Well, why do you go work out after work and you're like
cause, I like that Well don'tyou like your job.
No, like that too.
That's not it, that's not it.
Okay, that's what it soundslike, though no, no, no, okay,
let me explain it better.
But so, so like why don't Ihave a family?
Dylan (30:49):
that no, I'm not, I'm not .
It's again, it's not.
It's not directed at you, butit is why.
Why do you need that thing sobad in your life?
Like, how do you describe thatto somebody?
Why do you need that so much?
Cause, as we've already talkedabout, families are hard.
(31:11):
Raising a family, being aloving husband, being a loving
father, being a caring coach why?
Brad (31:17):
do you need that?
For me personally, doing, doinghard things like that gives me
like I'm always, constantlylooking for perspective and that
helps.
Dylan (31:28):
So it's a clarifying.
It's a clarifying event.
Brad (31:31):
Usually I get something out of it.
I mean, I don't, I don't alwaysknow what that is, but I've
done enough of them to know thatI will get something out of it.
I mean, I don't, I don't alwaysknow what that is, but I've
done enough of them to know thatI I will get something from it.
And sometimes what I get isjust that I really fucking hated
doing that thing, I don't wantto do it anymore and the
everyday shit that I do ispretty awesome how many times
I've gotten off a bike where I'mlike I'm never fucking on the
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bike again.
And then you do it again, butsometimes that's good.
Dylan (31:59):
Yeah.
Brad (32:00):
Just.
Dylan (32:02):
I have zero opinion on the matter, by the way.
I'm just asking questions.
I'm trying to be a betterpodcast quote.
Brad (32:08):
Well, you know what the other thing is that, having been
reasonably healthy for a whilenow, healthy, healthy like gut
wise, yeah, not mentallyminimized, minimized physically
minimized crones yeah, so like Ihaven't had actual physical
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pain in my life, so maybe I'mI'm at a point I'm able to
tolerate that for some otherreasons now.
Dylan (32:40):
Yeah, and I guess that's a that's an interesting
perspective from you, orsomebody who has lived with
hereditary or not.
Yeah, well, it's hereditary,but also just a chronic, chronic
thank you Chronic pain in somany different ways, whether
it's gut pain or, um, the Iguess that's a little bit mental
(33:03):
, but fear that you can't be toofar away from a, a safe spot
because of, you know, digestivereasons.
And now you're in a place whereyou're like, well, we, we've
gotten over that hurdle, wherewe know we're on the up and up
not saying forever, you knowthat's a whole different thing.
But now what can I goaccomplish?
(33:23):
Because I've missed all thoseyears.
You know how many years youwere down and out for about five
years really hard there,physically.
I mean you were still working.
You know, obviously you dolabor for a living in terms of
finishing carpentry, painting,et cetera, cat or furniture
making, but you were verylimited for, yeah, it's really
(33:45):
like making up, it's just theability.
I have the ability.
Brad (33:50):
I've always liked doing it and, yes, there were definitely
times where I probably wouldhave taken on some larger
adventures, had you know, hadthat not been the case.
Yeah, because at the time, likedehydration, oh, that was a
major no-no.
Yeah, like anytime it happened,that's always great for me in
(34:45):
terms of digestion.
Dylan (34:47):
You mean that bottle of Jack you always kept in your.
That was not high in calories.
Brad (34:52):
It was a reasonably skinny drink, but so, yeah, all of
those things kind of played intoa role of that, I guess.
But it was I don't know.
I'm just ready to hop back onthat train a little bit I like
it, I'm not against it, I'm justasking questions and maybe, I
(35:13):
don't know, maybe that wouldlead into something else.
like right now I don't, I'm notrunning outside of soccer, so I
run at soccer and I do sprintsand things like that.
I don't, I'm not doing distancestuff, but I think I could,
given.
Dylan (35:28):
What do you miss most physically when you were
physically active?
To what?
What do you miss doing the most?
Climbing, Climbing.
Brad (35:34):
Yeah, for sure, like it's dynamic, it's problem-solving,
it's very mental, it's verypositive so I'm gonna.
Dylan (35:46):
So there's that.
But if you have to think aboutI want to talk about manual
labor, brute force.
There's no way around it otherthan just enduring the suck, and
there's multiple versions ofthat.
Um, my example would beheavyweights long distances.
(36:06):
You know, farmers carrieslunges with weight, um, moving
smaller objects over longerdistances.
Is there anything from a bruteforce perspective that you
really enjoyed, that you missedbackpacking backpacking, yeah.
Brad (36:23):
Yeah, Um, I Again.
That's one of those thingswhere, if I'm healthy, it's
pretty fun.
If I'm not healthy, seven dayswith no toilet is sometimes
problematic.
Dylan (36:40):
It's a different story and there's a level of autonomy
there it's, on my back, andwhere I choose to go, I choose
to go.
Brad (36:48):
Well, and it's again, why do you like doing that?
Well, you get to the bestplaces that way.
I mean just hands down.
Dylan (36:56):
Went up to Maroon Bells a couple weeks ago and we took
the I forget the lake systemthat is, you know, like 10 miles
I think it's 10 miles on theother side of the maroon bells
pass or the, the main entrance,and all these people are
backpacking out that next daycouples, friends, and they just
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look, they look exhausted, butthey look so happy and they look
so content and they're like ohhave a great afternoon, have a
great afternoon, have a greatafternoon, and then you see
photos of what.
I've not been there yet.
I hiked a mile or so in andthen we had to get back for
other reasons.
Brad (37:44):
I want to go there and I want to spend a day or two or
three there, because that looksreally peaceful and based on all
these people's um faces,reactions, quality of life, um
qualitative measures I took theyall look really good, so that
must be a nice place over therewell, there's a mileage
correlation to that feeling also, so accomplishment like we're
(38:08):
talking about yeah, there'saccomplishment, there's a sense
of work and there is not aspecific type of person
physically no, it was all thatapplies to sizes but there is a
certain type of person mentallythat wants to do that.
and it's not a huge undertakingLike we would do day hikes where
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it's you know four or fivemiles in one way to to a lake or
something, and after mile one,maybe one and a half, that's
pretty much just you and then acouple of random people every
once in a while, and then youget to the lake and you might
see a person or another group ofpeople and then you walk back
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and it's.
It kind of reminds me of that.
That stat where it's somethingafter 30, age 30, something I
don't remember what the exactage is something like 85 to 90
percent of people will neversprint again.
That that's sad, I'm likethat's.
That's kind of what reminds meof there.
There's just this thresholdwhere everyone's like, nah, this
(39:15):
is enough scenery, I'll turnaround, go back yeah.
And yeah, I don't.
Dylan (39:21):
Maybe that's the anti-moderation part of me, but
exploration is exploration, in asense of my, of my guy I work
for Jamie, his.
His son is getting close tobeing a high schooler.
I think he's eighth grade.
Seventh grade I don't know, uh,but he has found his
(39:44):
independence and they startedfires in the bathroom.
Brad (39:48):
No, okay.
Dylan (39:49):
Different no, no different sense of freedom.
But he's out all day and it waslike the last half of this
summer, out all day texting dadintermittently hey I'm heading
here or I'm there, or hey I'mI'm all the way over here, but
we're gonna do this and I'm safeand I'm going to dinner.
(40:09):
Can I get you know, justchecking in, basically, when he
needed maybe a little hit to the, to the bank account, or just
to make sure that he wasn't tooout of our trouble.
It resonated with me because Iremember when I found my free,
like do you remember when youwere younger and you went from
(40:34):
being I'm in the house and nextto my parents all day and I'm
doing this too?
Oh, I'm my own person Like it.
Brad (40:40):
Yeah, but we kind of like I kind of grew up like that,
because it was a little more-rural.
Dylan (40:48):
I grew up very, very independent as well, but there
was a point in high school,middle school, high school for
me, where I was just my parentsjust didn't check in at all.
Brad (41:00):
But I mean it was like I'm on my own, I mean at like seven
we'd go out, we'd be on thefarm and we would just be like
we're going to go a couple milesaway and walk down the creek,
yeah, and we'll be back.
Dylan (41:18):
I guess we did that too.
Before it gets dark, we didthat.
Brad (41:21):
But that's all day.
Dylan (41:23):
I know.
Brad (41:24):
Which.
I mean Phoenix does that now,but it's not the same.
Dylan (41:29):
It's not the same because they're still within like a
little bit they're close andthey're.
Brad (41:33):
He's got a phone and we still know basically where he's
at.
Dylan (41:35):
We used to just go disappear and then you just knew
you had to be home by sunsetyeah, what's that sense of not
having anxiety as a parent likeI?
I have no idea I, I'm rightthere with you.
I can't imagine, because I likewe're just.
Brad (41:51):
There's just got to be a different sense.
And it wasn't that they didn'tcare, it was just I don't think
they, they just didn't have Idon't know how else to describe
it, other than they didn't havethe anxiety that we had.
They didn't know, they don't,they don't um not like when I
was older, I think my parentsdid like, as was driving.
Yeah, I think there was a senseof that, yeah, but when I was
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younger, I honestly think it wasjust like out of sight, out of
mind, mm-hmm.
It was like, oh yeah, he's withsomebody, and then that was it,
whatever.
And then he comes back.
Dylan (42:25):
That sense of freedom though, that sense of adventure,
that sense of wandering, it'sinfectious.
Brad (42:33):
And so I think, when you're I did that even in South
Dakota.
We started out on a hike and itseemed like it wasn't going to
go well for everybody, or thatit might just have not been a
great hike, and I was like, yeah, I just I'm going to keep going
.
So they turned around and itwas one where if I kept going
(42:56):
long enough, it would run backinto the road and you just pick
me up there and it was kind ofgreat.
Yeah, I don't know, I've seensome others.
There's something on I can'tremember if it's Netflix or
Amazon or something but there'sa guy that does some ridiculous
traverse in Alaska on his own.
That's, that's too much.
(43:19):
I don't want that muchadventure.
I don't want that much.
I don't want that many fliesand mosquitoes and I'm not super
keen on meeting grizzly bears,but maybe a little bit less than
that.
Dylan (43:35):
I mean, there's however tell me more.
Brad (43:39):
Timeframe is important because this guy was out.
I don't know how long that took, but let's say 30 to 60 days.
I would be very knowing me,like I know me now.
Uh, I probably would dosomething like that in my
twenties.
I don't know if I could likementally recover from that when
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it was over.
Why, I don't know.
It's.
You get used to A lifestyle,this thing, even if it's the I
don't know that one.
Dylan (44:14):
Oh what Siri doesn't know that one.
How does she not know it?
I?
Brad (44:18):
don't, hey, don't say quit saying her name.
God, so, acting up, I don'tlike it.
Yeah, I, just acting up, Idon't like it.
Um, yeah, I, just I.
I guess you could compare uhthat feeling to the sense of,
(44:39):
like combat veterans, uh certainones, when they come back, and
it's just like this fuckingparanormal life is boring as
shit, like you're just used tobeing at a 10 all the time in
survival mode and I don't knowif that would be the the main
(45:00):
downfall, or for me it would itprobably would be more of the
like there's way too much stupidshit in our life.
Like there's way too muchstupid shit in our life, like
there was way too much noisethat would be hard for me to
cancel out after doing somethingthat long.
I think that would probably bethe hard part, cause I do that
in bits and pieces right nowanyways, and I think after a
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month or two of clarity and thencoming back.
Dylan (45:27):
I've not been checked in for 60 days and this is what the
fucking world is.
Yeah, yeah.
Brad (45:32):
I remember the I think it's Ride the Divide, tour,
divide the Tour, divide.
So Ride the Divide is thedocumentary on it and the year
they did it.
Dylan (45:44):
Canada, Mexico.
Brad (45:45):
Yeah, along the Continental Divide, yeah.
Dylan (45:48):
Rye has the record for it , does he?
Yeah, wow, maybe not, I'd haveto look that up.
But Rye is an animal.
Rye is one of our friend of youknow, rye don't you.
Yeah, rye is a friend of ours,bike packing champion of.
I mean, just a crazy dude thatrides his bike everywhere and is
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just better at it than everyoneelse, and gone across the
country each way west to east,east to west and, uh, north,
south to north, just and thosepeople are super interesting to
me because of that.
Brad (46:26):
That kind of mental state where it's you enjoy it, like do
you have to keep chasing, thatsense a lot Can you settle into.
Like I think the trick isfinding something that is
equally as interesting, that issomewhat more stable.
Dylan (46:47):
Yeah.
Brad (46:48):
And that's not for everybody.
Some people do just kind ofchase.
You know that becomes theirlifestyle.
Dylan (46:54):
And I'm not saying reg bra is hard, but something hard
for me on reg bra is not thephysicality.
My legs aren't going to fail.
I know they're going to fail.
I can go in untrained at mycurrent state.
There are probably states Icould get to where I wouldn't be
able to do that, and there areprobably states I could get to
where I wouldn't be able to dothat.
Um, and I won't be in my youknow I won't be able to be at
peak performance, but I getbored.
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I'm on my bike and I'm justbored.
Yeah, I'm bored.
That's why even even if I'mriding with some of my best
friends or people that I meetand we go to, we're like, oh,
we're like, oh, we're on our wayto the next party and there's
excitement and adrenaline.
I'm just like I got 10 miles tobe right here sitting on my
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bike and my legs don't even hurt.
But the pain of being bored ismore aggressive than the
physicality of being in so muchpain.
Brad (47:47):
That's one of the reasons I never wanted to get into road
biking.
It's and I've.
I love mountain biking.
I've.
Dylan (47:53):
I've wondered that, like if, if rag bride was actually a
race, cause I raced.
Brad (47:59):
I've been in races.
There's a different element toit.
Dylan (48:02):
I think I could get zoned in and be like I don't want
anyone to beat me.
I think I could probably getzoned in and and do that, but
when it's just, I have completeand utter freedom, no matter
what I'm doing.
Brad (48:15):
Um, it's boring so that that tour divide had two.
They followed multiple writersand the one guy that made it and
won it that year, uh, his wifewas pregnant and like was gonna
have a baby real quick, likepossibility of having it while
he was on the divide, and so hemade it down to mexico and, uh,
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his wife's pregnant, due at anymoment, and he's, like you know
I'm I think I'm just gonna stayhere for a couple of days Just
like decompress through thewhole thing.
So he just completed this epicthing and then you're about to
literally go home and have yourlife just turned upside down all
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over again in a completelydifferent way.
Dylan (49:14):
In a way that brings kind of a needed stability.
How can you, how can you not dosomething like that and have
your whole world?
Brad (49:17):
not revolve around it.
You can't go do something likethat, no.
Dylan (49:20):
And then you can't just get oh, I'm getting ripped out
three hours later and headinghome.
Yeah, you absolutely need todecompress, uh but yeah, it's.
Brad (49:31):
it was an interesting juxtaposition of doing this
thing where every single day isyou're, yes, you're writing, but
it's different, it's different,different, different challenge,
challenge and challenge andthen, uh, knowing that you're
going to go home and it's adifferent sort of challenge, but
it's, it's more like consistent, like you, just you, you know
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what you're gonna be doing andyou got to do it every day, like
the consistency has to be there.
Dylan (49:57):
I'm going to wake up tomorrow and do 180 miles,
whether I like it or not, yeah.
And then I'm going to go to bedfor five hours and then I'm
going to do it again.
Brad (50:04):
But then on the flip side of that, and it was a girl and I
, I think she ended up finishing, she was gonna quit and some
people met her.
But she got to this town afterdoing a massive downhill ride
and, um, she just got to thepoint where she's like you're
doing this thing and it's hardand the scenery is beautiful,
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and it's hard, and the sceneryis beautiful, and she's hard and
the scenery is beautiful, andshe's like it's just fucking,
another day of gorgeous sceneryand another day of gorgeous
scenery.
And I, I, I don't know if Iwant to do it anymore.
You know, I it's almost theopposite of road biking, in the
sense that, okay, oh, I'm just,this is just a highway in a
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cornfield.
Dylan (50:52):
Hey, you watch your fucking mouth.
Brad (50:53):
And for her it was.
This is another beautifulmeadow, and here's another
beautiful mountain scene, andhere's a.
And it does you start losing alittle bit of sense of that.
If you've done like a long hike, wow, this is amazing.
And then two miles later, thisis amazing.
Two miles later, amazing, thisis amazing.
And if you do it long enoughand it's hard enough, you start,
(51:14):
you start losing a little senseof that I'm guilty of that yeah
I.
Dylan (51:21):
I don't know if you cannot do that and that I think
this goes full circle back towhy a time parameter probably
has to happen, because I said 18hours okay, that's fine.
I'm not.
I'm not asking for exacts rightnow.
I'm giving it to you.
Brad (51:40):
I'm just saying 50 pounds, 50 miles, 18 hours.
It's's a nice, nice even number.
Dylan (51:50):
Okay.
Brad (51:50):
That's a solid pace with some breaks.
When are we doing this Beforeit snows?
Dylan (51:59):
Okay.
Brad (51:59):
Not in the snow.
Dylan (52:01):
Okay.
Brad (52:02):
Definitely not on the ice.
Dylan (52:03):
Okay.
Brad (52:04):
That's it, and we will podcast immediately after and
decide the next thing 10 hours.
No, you're not doing 10 hours.
Dylan (52:15):
No, no, no, I'm talking about 10 hours of pipe.
I will do a 10 hour break andthen we'll podcast.
No right after, right after,okay.
Brad (52:22):
Come on, I'm not setting this up.
It's got to be set up already.
Dylan (52:26):
Yeah.
Brad (52:27):
Yeah, okay, we just got to .
This can be the end.
Okay, we just come in drop.
Dylan (52:32):
Are we going to go to like Scott County Park?
Are we going to do?
Brad (52:35):
Ooh, I don't know yet.
I don't have the route.
Okay, something loops, thoughLoops are nice.
Dylan (52:44):
Loops are really nice.
Brad (52:45):
Yeah, there's also a mental challenge to loops,
because I hate it gives you theoption to stop.
Dylan (52:55):
Yeah, I hate loops.
Do you know what I always doreally well with out and backs?
No, I hate out, and bikes too,I don't want I don't want to
repeat the scenery, I just wantit's different.
I just, I just want to be thatway oh just a one way.
I just want to be one way.
I don't like one way I love oneway it's because it's new every
day.
Brad (53:12):
It's a new every second yeah, but there's that means
you're getting closer but you'redependent on getting back
somehow too possibly and theimmortal words of dave chapelle
I don't have it queued up, I'mnot coming back.
Dylan (53:29):
No, we'll say it another time.
Brad (53:30):
Oh okay, that's fine.
So yeah, it is October 1st aswe record this, so before
December we're talking 60 days.
Dylan (53:43):
We're going to have to complete this within 60 days.
Yeah, that sounds terrible.
What shoes are you wearing?
Brad (53:50):
Oh, I'm not sure the hookahs are nice.
Okay, I do enjoy those.
Dylan (53:55):
Yeah, trying to think what I did my.
Are we doing 50 pounds on avest or 50 pounds on a?
Brad (54:02):
row, don't matter, I'll do backpack.
I don.
I don't really enjoy the vest.
I probably enjoy the vest morethan the rock.
Dylan (54:13):
Really.
The rock just starts to rub thelower back Because it all hangs
there, even if you get it uphigh.
No.
Brad (54:20):
I'm good with that.
Dylan (54:21):
Okay.
Brad (54:22):
It's all nice and broken in.
I don't have a vest.
Dylan (54:27):
Buy one.
Brad (54:28):
Yeah, I don't want to do a new one, though.
Okay, that seems unreasonable.
I I feel like I'm beingsuffocated when I wear a vest.
That's true too.
I don't love it.
I am going to have an issuewith my hands.
I gotta start hydrating more.
I think, even when I walk.
Now I get that.
What is that?
(54:48):
That build that puffiness?
A little bit, yeah, just alittle bit.
It gets way worse when you havestraps digging into your
shoulders, probably, yeah, it'snot going to help.
So after this Portillo's, I'mgoing to start hydrating.
Dylan (55:04):
Love it.
Okay, okay, that's 57 minutes45 seconds about hard things.
Great bye, brad bye.
You're still here it's over gohome go.
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