February 23, 2024 • 43 mins
Ever wonder why Ben Affleck seemed so fired up on Real Time with Bill Maher? We've got the tea. Our latest journey through the realms of opinion and debate brings you a no-holds-barred analysis of Affleck's fiery exchange and a respectful nod to Sam Harris's cool composure. We also navigate the charged waters surrounding the perception of Christianity and take a cheeky detour into Jordan Peterson's world, all while sharing a few chuckles about the prospect of Shawshank-style prison escapes.
Grasping the essence of moral strength, we introduce our guest, Martin, for a profound discussion on the nature of a 'monster'. We tackle the question of whether the capability for harm is a prerequisite for true goodness, and we dissect the hero archetype with Superman as our moral compass. Our exchange ranges from the moral instincts that surface in extreme situations to the burden of assessing one's own moral character. With Martin's insights, we've crafted a conversation that's as thought-provoking as it is engaging.
Strap in for a candid chat on personal accountability, sparked by the recent ripples in Jordan Peterson's universe. We explore the vital questions we must ask ourselves to navigate life's emotional mazes and our capacity—or lack thereof—to control others. Our show takes a whimsical turn as we muse over regional car preferences and reveal Peterson's own choice of wheels, before we tackle the delicate dance of individuality within group settings. Finally, we wrap up with reflections on the importance of a strong educational foundation and the joy of those 'aha' moments in learning. Tune in for an episode that promises to entertain and enlighten in equal measure.
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Brad (00:00):
On a desolate, frozen tundra surrounded by mindless,
brain numbing cold takes, twobros trek through the
nothingness to bring hope to anew generation.
You are about to experiencebrad and dylan's hot takes.
Here we go again.
Martin (00:18):
Again.
Jordan Peterson (00:19):
That's where we're gonna start.
Dylan (00:21):
Ben Affleck is, like all five ladies of the view combined
.
Brad (00:24):
Oh man uh, this is a.
We were just looking at Martinson here.
Hi Martin, oh, we're runningDude.
That's why I hit the button.
Dylan (00:37):
Yeah, that's what we do.
There is no.
There is no us.
Brad (00:40):
There's only it.
It says maybe from nine yearsago.
It's on real time with bill mar.
It was still real time, right.
Kermit (00:46):
Yeah.
Brad (00:47):
Yeah and uh.
Ben Affleck's on there, sameHarris is on there.
Martin was just asking aboutsome, some contemporary, um
Reasonable thinkers, so who?
Dylan (00:57):
are the modern modern, reasonable thinkers.
Brad (01:02):
You can agree or disagree with that right, I think, but I
think same as one of them waslike so we have this
understanding that Uh like for,for example, people are starting
to forget that.
Martin (01:13):
Um, not Freud.
What's his name Up in Heimer?
Help me out here.
John Jacob jingle heimerschmitt.
No, mm-hmm, that was one of mypersonal favorites.
Kermit (01:23):
Yeah.
Martin (01:24):
Smart guy, look him up physicist.
Dylan (01:28):
All right, but Einstein, no.
Where are you going with?
Brad (01:30):
this yeah, I'm gonna need more context.
Jordan Peterson (01:33):
This is what happens.
Brad (01:35):
I'm not.
I'm not good at the name of uhof the game of naming Friedman.
Robert Friedman, robertFriedman Okay, what about him?
That's it.
I just get a name.
Martin (01:47):
No, I'm just saying logical reasoning, oh, okay.
Dylan (01:52):
He owns Thomas Edison's piano.
That's pretty cool.
Brad (01:55):
Okay, not helpful.
Dylan (01:56):
I'm just all right.
Brad (01:57):
But if you want to look this up, it is uh, ben Affleck,
probably drunk, maybe yeah, he'spretty red faced.
Martin (02:05):
Yeah, he's red faced.
Brad (02:06):
Yeah pretty red faced and it's uh.
Dylan (02:10):
You guys are attacking a personal trait right now, that's
one of those as we just talkedabout.
Brad (02:14):
No, I was.
No, I was describing.
Martin (02:17):
Yes.
Brad (02:17):
Why he may not be arguing so well.
Martin (02:19):
So this is we don't have enough information, but what we
see on the surface is that hecould be under the influx is.
Brad (02:25):
This is an interesting, so you've just desecrated the name
of.
Ben Affleck oh, we did it, wedid it, you did you just okay.
Uh, interesting, take on, notmy bad man.
How to and how not to argue?
You possibly, yeah right,listen, and and sam is Maybe the
(02:46):
best.
Jordan Peterson (02:48):
Definitely one of top five.
Doesn't get riled up.
Brad (02:50):
He doesn't get riled up, he's constantly he he, he will
stay on topic and if somebodycomes at him he will break it
down to the point.
I mean, and that's that's whyhe's so good, because he, you
know, ben, goes, what are youthe professional?
And and he's like I'm prettywell read on this actually, yes,
I actually.
Very good, it's a productseminar at the same time yeah so
(03:12):
, uh, yeah, that's a, that's aninteresting take on that.
So.
Dylan (03:17):
Also, this isn't a good hot takes intro.
No, yeah, hot.
Brad (03:22):
Well, I was getting to that, the part that Martin
thinks Christianity is a scam.
I didn't say that there's adichotomy between the two, I
can't say that because for it tobe a hot take, you have to say
a hot take.
Dylan (03:41):
See he said.
He said it without even a voicemonitor later.
Brad (03:43):
Yeah, that was good.
I was like really deep robot.
I have a robot we are and.
Kermit (03:48):
I could say like I don't think it is probably really A
scam and you know like damn youfor even Trying to make it about
that.
I.
Martin (04:00):
Jump in anytime.
Dylan (04:01):
No, I'm gonna sit this one out like that.
I don't have a bomb of any ofthis.
Brad (04:06):
When I was texting him about, uh, jordan Peterson
coming to Davenport whicheverybody should go see February
18th, february 18th at thediscount code go to jordan dot
com.
Is that?
Kermit (04:17):
the answer.
Dylan (04:18):
Uh, yes, the oh, okay cap out of there capital.
Brad (04:21):
Oh, you can't.
You can't say discount code,why not?
I don't know.
Dylan (04:26):
Do what the fuck I want.
Brad (04:27):
It's my podcast, go it won't go go to the discount line
and put in kermit For 15 off.
Is it an uppercase, k orlowercase?
Martin (04:37):
k, that's backwards k.
Dylan (04:39):
Actually by the time this by the time, figure it out.
Actually, by the time thisepisode comes out, it'll have
already happened.
Brad (04:44):
Oh yeah, so you won't get the hot take.
Dylan (04:47):
We're bad at marketing, it's true.
Brad (04:49):
Um, dang it.
I got thrown off on thediscount code thing.
Dylan (04:56):
Stripe payment do.
What I miss is the uh 1 800Call.
Collect 1 800 ATT.
It's free for me, free for meand cheat for you, wasn't that?
Was that, uh caretop, thatcaretop that did that.
Brad (05:11):
Don't remember that one 800?
Dylan (05:13):
See, I don't remember is it, was it called ATT?
Martin (05:17):
I remember I'm just thinking collect calls man 1,
800, 2, 300 empire.
Brad (05:24):
Sorry, I haven't made a collect call since prison.
Martin (05:27):
Yeah, because you were in prison for how many years?
Hmm?
Dylan (05:29):
Hmm, you actually.
You've never been arrested,have you?
No, that's awesome.
Brad (05:33):
Come on, look at me.
Yeah, they do.
Martin (05:36):
I mean I'm looking at you right now, I mean it could
be kind of fragile, borderline,impressive, no, oh, you would
not make prison.
Brad (05:44):
No, no, at all, or I would Right tattoo.
I would tattoo a map all overmyself X marks.
Dylan (05:56):
Didn't you and shane and go into depth about that whole
subplot?
Brad (05:59):
No, I never really watched that show.
Okay, uh, that's a lot of time.
Jordan Peterson (06:03):
Let me get a lot.
Brad (06:04):
He had a lot of time no, before he went to prison, to get
all the tattoos Right.
Oh, but he was planning it outbeforehand, never mind.
I'm stupid, stupid plot I'm.
Martin (06:17):
Prison break.
Oh, never watched it.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Brad (06:21):
I got nothing.
It's very hard, it's fair.
Uh, hot take.
Why are prime time shows sostupid?
They're not good.
They're not good.
You know that one about the uh,what was it called?
Castle.
There's a bunch of these wherethey're like oh yeah, you're an
author, just come on all of ourride-alongs and solve mysteries
with us.
Martin (06:41):
It's kind of like a spin-off of like mercero.
That doesn't happen, is thatwhere castle was?
Dylan (06:45):
Yeah, he's an author.
I didn't know that.
Martin (06:48):
He thought it was a real cop.
I know I didn't and I'm just.
I didn't know, that he was areal dick in that too.
Brad (06:55):
Speaking of real dicks, did you guys see the?
Uh, was it?
An Ohio swat team raided thewrong house, whoops.
Dylan (07:02):
Somebody die.
Brad (07:04):
No, there was a special needs baby in there.
They got hit by a flashbang Notgood yeah and they caught him
on the ring doorbell afterComing back out and they're like
yeah.
Dylan (07:15):
It's wrong.
I think there was also some.
I think there was also somefuck ups before them, because
the the owners had told themmultiple times that that person
didn't live there anymore, likethey had multiple encounters for
weeks leading up and it wasjust like they never verified
they're the guy used to live atthat house.
I think of who they're goingafter and they also uh, hot take
(07:36):
.
Brad (07:38):
No knock warrants an entry's.
Problematic Would agree,because if they would have just
knocked on the door, that ladywould have opened the door and
then they could have Lessintensely gone about their
business.
Instead they went it, knockeddoor down, flashbangs through
(07:59):
the windows, you know.
Dylan (08:01):
Yeah, can you not the sound?
Can you not please do that shit, I'm dynamic.
Martin (08:07):
You you don't have to button for that.
Brad (08:09):
You know what you tell me to be close to the microphone.
This is the thing is bread forthe microphone.
I don't know what you want.
Dylan (08:13):
This is the story that brad tells everyone when he gets
on the podcast.
He's on the mic, he's like oh,dylan wanted to do this, dylan
wanted to do that.
Oh, it's all Dylan, this.
And then you should see all ofour text messages.
Brad's like and I got this ideaand we're gonna do this, and
then we can do this and he getsall excited and then the moment
he gets here he's negative,fucking Nancy, and then he does
dumb shit like I think the micand then I have to fucking edit
(08:36):
it.
Brad (08:36):
I'm literally only talking about the microphone right now,
and you're throwing me underthe bus for everything else in
my life, yes, me and Shannonhave built a.
Dylan (08:44):
Just so we're clear yes, okay, we have Shannon and I,
shannon and I have a coalitionof the willing, and it is shit
on Brad.
Brad (08:56):
Wow, I can do it again.
Dylan (08:57):
I don't have any coasters , so Maybe you would build some
for the podcast out of wood,which is what the tables made
out of.
Brad (09:04):
Yeah, but then you could put.
Dylan (09:05):
You could put a nice dampening on bottom of it.
Brad (09:08):
I don't know okay, I'll do that for you.
Thank you, I'll do it for you,thank you.
What do you want to made out of?
Dylan (09:15):
I want kind of rosewood Mmm.
How about two by fours?
Okay, okay good.
Brad (09:22):
Good got it high class on rails.
Yeah, martin, what do you hate?
Martin (09:28):
I'm pretty mellow.
Kermit (09:31):
No, he's crystal pal.
Martin (09:32):
He hates fucking crystal palace no they're struggling
club.
They're fine, fuck crystalpalace.
Dylan (09:36):
It's the shitty part of London.
Brad (09:38):
Wow, that's hot take.
I think.
I don't know.
Martin (09:44):
Let's start digging.
What do you think?
Brad (09:48):
Children sports, people that oppress women.
Martin (09:53):
Yeah, mmm, that's big one.
Brad (09:56):
Top of that, yeah, yeah top five.
Dylan (09:58):
Oh, Jordan Peterson, but they do some kind of like
Rapunzel archetypal Story thathe's repressed and needs to save
people.
I don't know.
I just feel like that'ssomething that we could jump to
a conclusion about.
I.
Brad (10:14):
I can't, I don't know.
Okay, I don't know, did helikes to go down the rabbit hole
?
Dylan (10:19):
Yeah, there's a story for everything.
Brad (10:21):
It always goes back to some story, but it's only one
story, so because it's thisstory, ergo everything has to be
like this is your hot take, sowhere we going with this?
It's, I mean we, we talk aboutnuances a lot on this, on the
step into it.
No, we don't need to dive intoit because yeah.
(10:42):
Peterson has an archetype foreverything.
Martin (10:45):
This is we're just too fucking hard Okay.
Let's for every let's talkabout the monster.
Dylan (10:50):
Let's talk about the monster.
Martin (10:51):
Oh.
Dylan (10:52):
You'll talk about the monster.
Okay, everyone has a monster inthem.
Brad (10:57):
Yes, but more specifically .
Dylan (10:59):
All right, you cheer it up, brad, cheer it up, Yep.
Martin (11:02):
Is this like a three-wood or driver?
Dylan (11:06):
We'll pull, we'll pull up a little, we'll pull up a
little clip.
Brad (11:10):
No, we can't pull up a place.
We can't.
No, we can't.
Well, I'm gonna, because I'mgonna read it because, you won't
even know the difference.
Okay.
Martin (11:19):
Yeah.
Brad (11:19):
All right, go for it Okay.
Jordan Peterson (11:24):
To the two degree.
That's unimaginable.
So you can look and see all theinterpretations and all the
translations and get some senseof what the genuine, genuine
meaning might be and the linethe meek shall inherit the earth
.
Meek is not a good translationor the word has moved in the
three hundred years or so, 300years or so, since it was
translated.
(11:45):
What it means is this those whohave swords and know how to use
them but keep them sheathedwill inherit the world and
that's another thing.
Kermit (11:53):
I've been telling you how, no kidding.
Jordan Peterson (11:56):
That's a big difference.
It's so great and so, like oneof the, I'll tell young man.
Brad (12:02):
Can we?
Jordan Peterson (12:02):
can we just believe him, and that is word
for that.
Dylan (12:04):
What do you say?
Brad (12:05):
Can we just believe him at his word for that?
Dylan (12:08):
Okay.
Martin (12:10):
Yes, no, no, no, oh no.
We don't.
We were going back to ourconversation about reasoning
like it could be true.
Dylan (12:19):
Based on inputs and outputs.
Guys table.
Brad (12:26):
They've been the table.
I know shit, yeah, basically Imean.
So essentially what he gets atis you need to be a monster and
so, through this, the meek shallinherit the earth.
In his translation of this,which is probably somebody
else's translation of it, whichI guarantee there's somebody
else that says, no, that's notthe translation, because that's
how translating 2000 year oldlanguages work, is it?
(12:50):
If you Don't harm someone, thatdoesn't automatically make you
a good person, right?
So if you are meek or if you'rea weak person and you don't
harm anyone, that doesn't makeyou a good person.
Let's leave out all the nuancesof that, such as like are we
(13:11):
talking physically or we talkingmentally?
Are we talking psychologically?
Do you know how little pressureit takes to pull a trigger, etc
.
Right, like hey, you don't haveto be like a fucking MMA
fighter archetype To cause a lotof harm to somebody.
Can?
Dylan (13:26):
we archetype, the archetype, yeah, yeah, okay,
looks like that.
Brad (13:29):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, good call Wow.
Dylan (13:31):
Wow.
Brad (13:34):
I don't know what that was , but you have to be.
You have to be this monster.
So if you are a monster capableof these horrendous things and
then you choose not to do them,that's what makes you a truly
good person.
Martin (13:52):
My only argument is like why?
Why do you have to be themonster?
Do you have to be the monsterin the moment?
Do you have to be the monsterevery day?
Brad (13:59):
because you May find yourself in a situation that may
require you to be a Monsterthat may work out in your favor.
Martin (14:10):
Is it to just work out in your favor period, so you get
what you need, all your maslos.
Dylan (14:17):
No, it could be a foundation for a lot of stuff.
Is that the world's inherentlyevil, and so you're, by the
world being inherently evil, youby proxy or evil, and so you
have to learn to control thatevil but that's what makes you a
good person.
Martin (14:30):
He doesn't really say that it's it's.
He gets your pointer.
Brad (14:33):
Okay, but but his point is like you need to like become
this monster first and thenmeans you need to put a
competent and then put a leashon it, but I think the term
monsters bad.
Martin (14:44):
Yeah, I.
Kermit (14:47):
Just.
Dylan (14:49):
But it's, it's the hero versus the monster and it's like
well, it's, you just need to becapable is what he's saying.
Martin (14:56):
I think it's an ego thing.
What do you think?
Brad (14:58):
No, he's Because he's looking at it like medieval
nights, or Are we gonna go havedinner at medieval times?
Dylan (15:09):
No, that's a, that's a drive away, it's good Welcome to
medieval times, that's I'venever actually been to one.
That's not it.
No, it's awesome.
That's good Mm-hmm.
Brad (15:19):
I went after surgery and I could actually eat everything.
Good for you.
Yeah, it was fun.
Okay, I was like corn on thecob, nailed it.
Yeah okay, but his hello, thearchetype of the hero, where
that's a different one.
Dylan (15:33):
So I'm just lambs, come on.
Brad (15:34):
It's a different type.
Move on the hero, the heroarchetype, that is Hmm, cool, I
don't know.
Pick out like some typicalsuperhero movie type.
Okay.
Dylan (15:50):
He talks about Superman.
It's like Superman has thecapabilities destroy this entire
planet and take it over for hisown because he just he knows
could stop him but he chooses tosave mankind instead, for
whatever reason, even thoughthey're not one of him.
Hmm, but, but we havekryptonite.
Brad (16:09):
But he's also saying that there's apparently people that
don't have the capacity to doevil and so therefore they're
not good.
But like that doesn't makesense to me.
Yeah, I see what.
Martin (16:22):
I'm saying but isn't that just having morals Like
deep embedded, Synapse,connected morals of like I can't
, I can't do that?
Brad (16:35):
I feel like there's a lot.
I feel like there's a lot ofthe what would you do in this
situation when, until you're putin that extreme situation, you
don't know exactly how you wouldreact?
You know?
Martin (16:46):
Well, I mean what boils down to, for that is like I mean
so like I have that exercise to.
So if I were to ask you what,not to do.
Brad (16:54):
If I were to ask you like Martin, do you think that you
could kill someone?
I would say it depends Okay.
And if I ask Dylan, he wouldsay a hundred percent.
Yes, love to do it.
Martin (17:02):
Yes, yeah, see oh, so it's a good conversation then.
Brad (17:05):
So I Believe him, you don't believe me.
Yeah, I mean, I think there'speople that are like I don't
think I could do that, but itdepends, because I need to know
the more information.
I understand that.
So His argument seems to be.
Jordan Peterson (17:21):
Do you need the information?
Brad (17:28):
Easy with the cops there.
His and his argument isEveryone needs to be Dylan first
and then figure out, maybe, howto be Martin, where you know.
Martin (17:41):
I'm still on the depends .
He's not the diapers, butthat's.
Brad (17:47):
That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, that's problematic for me.
Jordan Peterson (17:51):
Yeah.
Brad (17:52):
Also like how do you define?
Yeah, there's just too manythings to it.
I don't like any of it.
The monster part?
Yeah, the meek part, like whodecides?
Dylan (18:03):
Competence, I mean you're on your own.
Martin (18:05):
You supposed to decide though.
Dylan (18:07):
Yeah but.
Martin (18:08):
But it's also like you have the keys to the castle.
Kermit (18:12):
Okay, you know the castle you know the castle.
Yeah, yeah.
Dylan (18:21):
It's a Get, so it he over generalizes.
I think he talks about it attimes.
I'm not defending him here, buthe talks about he over
generalizes to try to get amessage out.
But I think you're supposed to,you're supposed to keep
striving for more potential.
Martin (18:37):
I understand that, but it's interesting that in some of
the clips does he dive deeperinto what that actually looks
like for him?
Brad (18:45):
No, this is what he's really good at.
Martin (18:48):
Oh he, he's a.
Dylan (18:50):
Diverge.
Jordan Peterson (18:51):
He.
Brad (18:51):
I mean he does, he does explain some when him when him
Dawkins and Harris were together.
Dylan (18:57):
He kind of he went a little deeper than I've seen him
go before on a couple differenttopics.
Brad (19:01):
That was a while ago.
It was a while ago.
Martin (19:03):
He doesn't really go like that I mean, like I said,
he's a different person now.
Dylan (19:07):
Well.
His he does dangerous bydiscipline with Jaco, that one's
a little bit better hisdemographic is Young males.
That feel lost, underappreciated.
There's that so.
So it's easy, you know it's notthe tent you know, wasted,
potential wasted.
Yeah, you know, people havelost, but there's also I.
Brad (19:29):
Feel like without a deep explanation Explanation of I
yeah, I'm things where kids,kids or young adults could hear
those kind of things and be likehe has a strong call to action,
which is you know you have thepower within yourself to it's
basically you need it.
Kermit (19:46):
Damn it.
You got to wake up and youcan't change the world if you
don't change your she.
I think it.
Dylan (19:52):
I think it definitely helps flip in there to, though I
think he's probably very it'sprobably very appealing to
people that have had victimmentalities, sure, and then,
yeah, I and I do see positivepositivity in that where it's
more of a called action of itcan always be worse, because
that's always one of his things,right always be worse and you
have the power to change it.
(20:13):
Now I'm not saying he's notsaying you're gonna have the
power to become the best.
You know your favorite scenario, but you can make it better.
You know You're better.
Might not be the millions ofdollars and the fun cars and all
that shit, but you're better,can look better than what you're
doing right now.
So it's on you to make yourlife better, nobody else's, and
(20:37):
you don't get to blame anyoneelse but yourself.
Really, I don't know ever.
Martin (20:42):
My mom used to be well, I don't seem to have her there.
I mean just can't be told there.
There's some Understandingaround that like you should be
able to take ownership.
I think that's a large part ofthe American population that
they're like Was it my fault?
It's like wait a second.
Did you reflect and like, takea little bit of ownership of
(21:02):
like what happened?
You know I?
Dylan (21:03):
mean, I think that's something that I've tried to
instill More recently in my lifeis when I We've talked about
this in the last episode werecorded, which will be
completely out of context forany of our listeners, which
we're really good at doing, um,so thanks for sticking with us.
Guys and gals and All thenon-binary's oh god, lost my
(21:24):
train of thought.
That's ADHD.
Real it in choo choo, go catchthat train.
I can't, it's gone.
That's living with ADHD.
Oh, it's asking yourself thequestion.
Thank you.
If you get that, if you get anemotional response, if you start
to feel yourself feeling somenegative emotions because of
(21:46):
something else, it's always whatcould I have done better or
what could, what could I havedone to prevent it.
And it's it's not taking all ofit and and saying it's all my
fault, but it's asking yourselfsome real questions which are
how could we have prevented thistogether and taking more joint
ownership with the people aroundyou?
And then there are some peoplethat you're just not.
There's not a lot you can do tocontrol those actions, but also
(22:08):
you cannot put yourself inthose situations with those
individuals.
Then and understand that I willallow myself to be in this
situation with that person,which, and again, is my
responsibility to take ownershipof.
So I think those are reallykind of easy things for people
to do.
Is your natural reaction isgoing to be like this person did
this to me.
It's like okay, so what did wedo to get here?
(22:29):
Why did I allow myself here?
Martin (22:30):
And it's not again taking the blame on, it's just
understanding.
Dylan (22:31):
It helps you understand the process in the moment so
that you don't repeat thosesteps again.
Brad (22:36):
100% you can really repeat the steps if the steps are
already gonna happen anyways,it's just looking back at it.
No, we're going intopredetermination now, jesus.
Dylan (22:47):
Not really.
Oh, it's just a yeah lack offree will Sing.
Brad (22:51):
Wow, that's all.
Dylan (22:54):
But then Brad Todd take would be I don't know, but then
Brad Todd take would be takeownership.
God didn't do it for you.
Oh, we did that one last time,though, Well, stop doing it
again.
Brad (23:08):
Had what's?
Dylan (23:10):
oh, I had one from last time.
No, you got to keep on this one.
This is mine right now.
What's yours?
I don't know.
We're talking about JordanPeterson being the monster and
taking ownership.
He's not a monster, okay.
Brad (23:20):
He's Kermit.
He's Got to go back to school.
Dylan (23:23):
He lost his loss.
Oh, he did, he do, he lost hislicense, oh he did they pulled
it oh.
I wouldn't know.
So he has his packpractitioners license in Canada.
Can he get one in the US, or Idon't think he has one probably
different.
Brad (23:36):
Yeah, I don't know how that works.
Dylan (23:40):
It is kind of crazy, though, like them pulling his
license.
Martin (23:44):
I would say it's.
It's different, just like whenyou practice law.
You can't practice law in everystate, right?
So, like being able to practice.
Dylan (23:51):
Yeah, I mean what I just didn't know if you had a Lincoln
.
I just didn't know if you'dever try to be licensed in the
US, but this is neither here northere.
Lincoln lawyer.
Brad (23:59):
Yeah, it could be the Lincoln psychiatrist.
I.
Dylan (24:03):
What's what's a good.
Brad (24:03):
Canadian car car none exist.
Dylan (24:06):
No, but they'd be like big, like lifted Dodge Ram now
Canada.
They like their Dodge Rams inCanada.
Brad (24:13):
Do they that's not there about, like public transit stuff
?
I?
Dylan (24:17):
Depends on what part of Canada.
Brad (24:18):
You're in man.
Dylan (24:19):
They're there it is wildly different, depending on.
Martin (24:22):
Canada that East Coast is different those.
Yeah, what do French peopledrive like baguettes, reynolds,
reynolds, citrone, I don't know,I don't, do they have to turn
in Canada.
Dylan (24:34):
Hmm, you could.
Maybe you know what's funny isgoing to different countries and
seeing car brands you've neverseen before.
Mm-hmm, that's one of myfavorites, you're like oh, I've
never seen that brand beforeAbout some really cool brands.
When we were down in MexicoCity I was like these cars are
really nice.
She don't remember what they'recalled, but they're cool.
Brad (24:49):
She knows driving on 53rd the other day and she was oh,
that's really nice car.
She's like I think that's right.
Is that a Ferrari?
I'm like I don't know.
This isn't a video call.
I can't see what she's like.
My sons would be sodisappointed in me right now.
She's like it's pretty.
Dylan (25:08):
The big cart, big, big car nerds.
Brad (25:11):
No, but they.
They watch enough videos andeverything that you should bring
them down sometime.
They know a little bit.
I'm sure the office they know,maybe more than she does like in
terms of.
Martin (25:22):
Okay, just being nice cars, don't?
Dylan (25:25):
I'm only no, not my no, not that office, different
office.
But we're not gonna do that onthere because we don't need
everyone knowing what you can'ttext while we're podcasting.
Brad (25:36):
I'm not texting.
Dylan (25:37):
What are you doing?
You're looking up your hot take.
No, what do you?
Brad (25:40):
I am, I'm googling.
Dylan (25:42):
What are you googling?
You have a laptop in front ofyou and you're using your phone.
Brad (25:46):
I forgot, even shittier.
Thank you for that.
Thank you for that.
Wow, wow, wow.
I was looking up what JordanPeterson drives.
Dylan (25:56):
Oh my god, that's awesome .
Brad (25:58):
That's a good you want to do.
You want to guess?
Dylan (26:00):
I don't know Like a 70 78 Rolls Royce Phantom, white,
toyota Corolla.
He seems like the guy thatwould love, like an old Rolls
Royce.
Martin (26:10):
Honda correct.
Brad (26:14):
Ferrari 360 Modena.
Dylan (26:17):
Modena dude.
Brad (26:18):
Mercedes G63 AMG.
Dylan (26:20):
Hmm, I Used to drive a 63 AMG.
It's a really nice car, is thatit?
This is worth a bi-turbo?
Do you know what a bi-turbo is,brad?
It's different.
Brad (26:29):
It's a turbo that goes both in and out.
No oh.
Kermit (26:33):
No, you don't like and take an exhaust Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Dylan (26:36):
So twin turbo I was gonna go with like it's like both
ways, but they're tuned to be atdifferent, different parts of
the ramp, of the ramp up of theengine, so they don't, they
don't work in conjunction witheach other.
Brad (26:47):
You get a low end at a high end, kind of yeah
interesting.
But how's that work?
What do you mean?
Dylan (26:53):
Well, turbos work on Exhaust mm-hmm, so you still can
have a computer programming andcontrol something.
Brad (26:59):
I Didn't say, you couldn't do that.
Dylan (27:02):
Okay, so how's that work then?
Brad (27:03):
I don't know how it works.
You tell me you're the one thatbrought up by turbos.
Okay, I'm just saying, at lowRPM you don't have a lot of
exhaust pressure To spin a turbo.
Dylan (27:13):
Yeah, but you're assuming that has to be like low M is
subjective.
What what it like low end ofwhen it starts can?
Be anywhere on that band,that's fine.
Martin (27:22):
I'm not, I don't know, I'm you know what.
Brad (27:26):
God, hate you.
Good, hot, take hate you.
Hate you, yeah, wait, you don'tever.
You don't ever have one ofthese.
Dylan (27:36):
I'm a very cool, calm and collected individual.
I don't know if you know this,oh so one was I.
Brad (27:43):
You need to learn to embrace your individuality in a
group setting.
Who me?
Dylan (27:47):
Yeah, you, mm-hmm.
Yeah, I'm kind of definitely,I'm definitely not my own person
ever.
Brad (27:51):
Yeah, you're not.
I'm trying like really tired ofyou staying out like a black
valley and a sea of white roses.
I I Think this is the most likelook at me, I'm a black guy.
I was dissected at the way.
I think this is the most.
Dylan (28:04):
This is the most telling.
One of the most telling storiesabout me is I was on my way to
meet an ex-girlfriend's friendsin a different state and as we
were driving, she just looked atme and she goes can you just
Not be so, dylan, this weekendwhen you meet my friends?
And I said, oh, that oneactually really hurt.
Brad (28:26):
Like I kind of sounds like a really good like blink 180 to
song Mmm Don't be Dylan.
Martin (28:30):
Yeah, but uh, bless Dylan.
Dylan (28:34):
I.
Brad (28:35):
Maybe that's what we'll call Friday's less Dylan so I've
heard some stories and From aschool setting about me no not
yet.
And it's you.
You have these family unitsthat are Peculiar by regular
(28:55):
standards and that can be anynumber of things.
They're just you know.
Are we talking about the, the?
Dylan (29:01):
Envijit the evangelists.
Brad (29:04):
No okay, no, we're just like you have everybody that's
kind of on that, on the averageLine, right here, right like
most of humanity, like a bigchunk Okay, and then, and then
you have the outliers the peoplein the spectrum, like us.
Well, what sure?
Okay, that's that spectrumcould be whatever you want.
Yeah, gender related, sexrelated, art related.
(29:24):
Okay dress related or lack ofor lack of your case related.
Dylan (29:33):
Fucking hobo sorry, whatever it's like slate 800,
maybe 600, he doesn't know.
Tailwind, so it has be begy YepBackground keep going.
Brad (29:48):
I've lost all interest in this pocket.
Come on, keep going.
So it is okay for you toobviously have individual you
know likes and Preferences andWhatever, but you're in a whole
(30:10):
other group of people that alsohave their own likes and tastes
and standards.
Dylan (30:17):
I know you're going with this.
Okay, so you have yourindividualism is great, but
don't stomp on everyone else'sindividualism by making you to
buy their individualism.
Yeah, there's still over ahundred other individuals here.
Brad (30:28):
Hmm, tea party.
So like, that's cool, you can.
You can have your pink hair, oryou can have your tattoos, or
you can have your it's kind oflike secondhand smoke, super
religious.
Dylan (30:38):
You can smoke, but just don't do it in the same room as
me.
So I just have to huff at theentire time.
Martin (30:42):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Brad (30:44):
You could look at it in terms of uh, this is not a good
individualism.
But in a lot of public schoolsyou're having kids that just are
not just throwing tantrumsabout like destroying school,
you know school properties.
And in a lot of states you justkind of like oh, here you go,
go in this room, destroy thisroom, like that's our, that's
our policy now.
Jordan Peterson (31:05):
Hmm.
Brad (31:06):
And it's like mm-hmm, Like , what, how?
How do you get to do that, Like?
Because, because your feelingsare are not being validated the
way that you want them to be,you get to ruin a whole bunch of
other individuals and what doeshe get to do?
Martin (31:20):
He or she gets to do it.
What can I do it?
Just for funsies, you might beable to do it for funsies.
Brad (31:25):
Hmm, yeah, is that what you want to do?
Maybe?
Yeah, you gotta go to town.
Mm-hmm, yeah, you got to go,like I like go all out.
Martin (31:32):
Mm-hmm.
Brad (31:32):
Yeah.
Martin (31:33):
Go back to go home, right.
Brad (31:35):
Yeah, but even in a not so extreme case, it's.
You have examples of parentsjust like not taking any
ownership over the fact thatlike their kid is is one part of
many an entire system that istrying to function.
Martin (31:52):
I mean we used to let the peanut allergy kids die many
to many.
Brad (31:56):
I don't think, I don't think that's a problem and
you're going to really triggerShannon with that.
She's going to come at you hard.
Dylan (32:02):
Is she?
I can't wait, shannon, hmm.
Brad (32:04):
Text me.
Yeah.
Martin (32:07):
Just not going to mess around.
I do think that that theallergy issue is because the
exposure is not early enough.
Jordan Peterson (32:15):
Hmm.
Dylan (32:16):
That's just my theory.
Oh, we're going to reallyisolate some people on this one.
This is theory.
Brad (32:23):
So like what's not early enough, like does the womb count
?
Theoretically maybe I'm justsaying Shannon ate eggs All the
time, every single day of herpregnancy.
Yeah, but there.
Martin (32:38):
No, no, no, I completely understand that that's right.
Dylan (32:40):
There could be something else.
That's just too Overwhelmed him.
That's why now I do think nowshe's really going to eat you.
Martin (32:46):
Okay, it's your fault.
The egg, the egg one, eggallergy is an interesting one
because I'm sure, like the issue, there is something more
nuanced.
But the peanut one, like I hadthis theory a long time ago.
Or like the dark, like oh,don't introduce peanut butter to
your infant at X month.
Brad (33:06):
Well, it's not.
It's not really a theory, it's.
There is some scientific datato say that if you, if you do
introduce in really small dosesat a young age, that I think
there is a less yeah, yeah, yeah.
That they will develop anallergy.
Hmm, I don't know if they knowwhy Exactly, but at the same
(33:27):
time, like I, grew up in Asia.
Dylan (33:28):
I mean everything has peanut in it.
Martin (33:30):
Mm, hmm, yeah.
Brad (33:32):
But, don't take away my pad.
But flip side they're killingbabies like no tomorrow, because
everything has peanut in it.
Martin (33:38):
No, I was even with that .
Okay, I was even more like thelactose route.
Brad (33:42):
Oh, a lot of lactose and topics yeah, yeah.
Martin (33:45):
Um is there a big milk culture in Asia though.
No, there is, but there wasn't.
There wasn't an animal, yeah.
Who started that.
Who brought the milk culture toAsia?
The Americana, oh, did it.
How do they the?
Dylan (34:00):
lactose what was that?
Brad (34:01):
What was?
Dylan (34:01):
that advertising campaign like I want to know, like
what's true, like someone in theUnited States is like we can
sell dairy.
Yeah, it was the, it was theGot Milk, it was the, it was
that was.
That was different, though.
Brad (34:11):
No, no, no, it was the hot girl with, like the milk, oh
Jesus.
Martin (34:14):
They're so white, do you ?
Dylan (34:15):
know that that's how Michael Bay got to start.
Like the big director.
Michael Bay got his start doingthe Got Milk stuff, Like that's
like what he started doing.
Brad (34:24):
No, I didn't know that.
That's it.
That was his start in theHollywood.
Also, the lactose thingactually makes sense, because we
shouldn't be drinking cow'smilk.
Martin (34:31):
Oh, we know that.
Brad (34:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think we know that I right yeah, Like we
ate peanuts before we drankcow's milk.
Martin (34:38):
Right Right so we're drinking at different animals
milk, but yeah, beside their own.
Yeah, it's true, yeah.
Dylan (34:51):
That's it.
No, we were just saying we kindof skipped over the
individuality.
Brad (34:56):
Oh yeah, Because you guys hate people with allergies.
No, that's right, I forgot wewere right there.
Dylan (35:03):
I have a buddy that went on her first date Now his wife
but she told him they're goingon her first date.
She goes I have a massive nutallergy and I'm just letting you
know there's an epi pen in mypurse just in case I have
something happen.
And big man on campus was likeI can't wait to stab you.
This is going to be great, likethree dates in.
She's there with friends and hefroze up.
(35:26):
She got, she had a reaction, hefroze up, he couldn't do it.
So I wonder if her friends orshe ended up doing it herself
and like just jabbed it.
Brad (35:34):
But it was funny because I was waiting for the punchline.
You know who it was.
What about do you know who wasD's?
Dylan (35:39):
nuts.
Brad (35:40):
Do you know who it was?
I would have been classic itwas.
Dylan (35:43):
you can't say it.
I can't say it.
You're right.
I can't call people out.
Martin (35:46):
Yeah, I'll tell you offline it's not fair, it's not
fair, it's not fair, it's notfair.
Brad (35:52):
It's not fair.
It's not fair.
I'm not doing this.
I'm not doing this.
That would have been a goodtagline, though, but there is
this.
Dylan (35:56):
What about D's?
Where does it stop?
Where my individualism is somuch more important than your
individualism?
Like that's the.
There's a little bit of this.
I'm more important than you andmy feelings.
Brad (36:08):
Where does it stop?
Martin (36:09):
Yeah, I think when there's no overarching
understanding of what communityis supposed to really mean,
that's it.
Brad (36:16):
It's an ominous thing, An easy and not at all likable
solution.
That would be like if you're soindividual, then you don't get
to take part in these grouphappenings, ie Anything
Basically, I'm sorry, do youneed other people in your life?
Is that a thing?
Solitary confinement?
Martin (36:36):
Are we not supposed to be social beings?
If you're not Okay, fair enough.
See you later.
Brad (36:41):
And so just be your individual self in a social
environment.
Yeah, what if they can't dothat?
What if they can't do?
Dylan (36:49):
that.
How does it get triggered?
But by what?
I have no idea.
Brad (36:52):
You can't just say words.
Dylan (36:54):
Why not?
Yeah, we do it all the time.
Brad (36:56):
No, I don't Okay.
What happens if they gettriggered?
Dylan (37:06):
Yeah, parents call and then the teachers get pissed off
and they just give up becauseit's too hard to deal with it
all the time.
I mean, look at Martin, formerteacher.
Kermit (37:19):
Here I am.
Martin (37:21):
Hi guys.
Kermit (37:22):
I just can't believe they let these kids just go into
classrooms and you know whatthey are.
They're monsters.
Dylan (37:31):
Okay, my hot take I get really upset when we reduce
ourselves to the lowest commondenominator and we don't try to
teach, educate, to the highestcommon.
Brad (37:46):
I have thought about this a little bit Um in terms, of
this goes from all aspects.
Dylan (37:52):
It's not just education.
Yeah, and there's in theworkforce too.
It's like, well, such and suchisn't going to be able to handle
it.
And you're like, well, how arewe going to grow then?
Right, we can't.
We can't keep our standardsdown because of certain subset.
We and it's not saying that youdon't want to bring them along
with them or give them the extraneed and attention they need,
but that's on them to get theextra work.
Kermit (38:13):
Right.
Dylan (38:14):
It's not for you to slow the pace down, so you're still
meeting them, but they, if theywant to be there, they need to
be right.
Brad (38:21):
They need to get the extra work.
Exactly, I think there's a interms of educating, or like
younger kids, and I've thoughtabout.
I've thought about this in acouple of ways.
Like first grade always teachesthe same thing every single
year.
That's like you justovergeneralize some first grade
teachers.
Wow, I did.
Dylan (38:41):
I mean, you mean, they're fun, it's fundamentals, it's
it's noted.
Brad (38:45):
And until I think we we went through range.
I had a thought that was likewhy can't we?
We're not getting smarter, likewe're not getting smarter at
all.
We can't challenge, we got todo the same thing all the time.
And now I think I'm more of thebelief that challenge is maybe
(39:08):
some of the part that's missing.
So just the general concept,the general concept of like
challenging them, workingthrough something that's hard,
that they don't get right away,because I think that leads to
more success in things likeyou're talking about, where
someone is challenged bysomething and they know how to
react to it, instead of justbeing like well, this doesn't
(39:29):
come easy, I don't know, how todo this.
Martin (39:32):
Somebody else should do this.
Yeah, I mean, when you talkabout education, it's just it's.
It's tough because eachindividual child is the ultimate
variable, and you're probablygoing to hear that for me quite
often is that the ultimatevariable carries so many
different things as they walkinto that classroom.
(39:54):
Yeah, and past experiencescircumstances social economic
breakfast, home, life, all therest of it.
And you have a child that isvery intellectual, understands,
but the easy thing for theeducators to put them down that
(40:15):
same path as everyone else.
And so what that boils down tois then how do you provide
resources for that child tochallenge them?
And we don't have enough ofthose resources because just the
way the system is currentlybuilt in terms in terms of the
(40:36):
public system, now, if you wantto pay for it, that's a
different story.
It is a different story, yeah,yeah, but there are ways to do
it.
But Money there's been someeconomics around that, like
they've done some economicsaround injecting loads of cash
into a situation of education.
(40:56):
Where will this have massiverepercussions on a positive side
?
Yeah, it's based around thesystem.
Brad (41:01):
Like you can't just pump money into a bad system and
expect good outcomes.
Right and that's right.
Martin (41:06):
And that is, you can't just say you know you're not
going to be able to do that.
You just throw money.
Jordan Peterson (41:10):
Yeah, you can't do money.
Brad (41:11):
Money doesn't solve anything Money solves something
with a correct plan, right, yeah, but to implement some good
systems, you will also need moremoney.
Dylan (41:18):
Yeah so 100%, but doesn't that Elon make it happen?
It's kind of interesting,though, because we battle.
Quick going out of space wekind of we battle with well, and
kind of going back to theindividualism or going back to
the not fair Right.
Well, why did those five kidsget to go to that?
(41:39):
Go learn about that.
And my kid doesn't.
Kermit (41:42):
So the life's not fair, damn it.
Dylan (41:44):
Your kid doesn't even understand the first two
concepts.
To even get to that point?
Kermit (41:47):
So, but you're going to, you're going to have that.
Dylan (41:50):
You're going to have to fight that, or it's like well,
no, they need to be up there tolearn.
You're like they are learning,but they're learning the core to
make them competent at thislevel right now, so that they
can get to the next level,Because if you skip the
fundamentals it's baselessknowledge.
They can probably repeat apattern without they
understanding and we always goback to what is the why?
Martin (42:08):
We can't understand the why it's a it's a it's a loss
cause.
Well, it's the same thing inathletics is, too.
It's like well, what is that?
Well, you know, why does Jimmyget to be bumped up and playing
with the older kids?
Like because Jimmy knows thebasics and he can actually
execute the basics at a fastlevel, whereas Timmy, he still
needs to do the basics.
Dylan (42:27):
Stress and circulation.
Yeah, you can't, just you can'tthrow him in a wildfire and
you've got to build up to it,yeah, and everybody grows and
learns, at different levels too.
Brad (42:39):
So, yeah, all these kids are eight and half of them can
do this you know, repeatedly andefficiently, and the other half
can't.
Does that mean that the thehalf that can't are never going
to be able to?
No, it just means that maybeit's two months, maybe, and
you've seen it click with kids,or it's just like uh, uh, like
(43:00):
on on a soccer team, like hey,um, I know I haven't seen you
for like five whole days, butwhen the fuck did you learn how
to kick like that?
You're like oh, I just I justlearned yesterday.
Oh, okay, cool, yeah, Cool.
Dylan (43:16):
It just.
You know the feeling now.
You know it just.
Jordan Peterson (43:18):
They're like oh this is this is how I do it.
And then it deluxe, and thenpractice.
Good, now you're all around tothe next thing.
Brad (43:25):
It's not like it's not going to happen, it just takes a
while.
Yeah so yeah, that's true.
All right, well, I don't haveany more things to hate, I'll
tell you guys.
Dylan (43:33):
Okay, I love you too.
I love you too, thanks.
Kermit (43:38):
You're still here.
It's over.
Martin (43:44):
Go home.
Brad (43:50):
Go.
On a desolate, frozen tundra surrounded by mindless,
brain numbing cold takes, twobros trek through the
nothingness to bring hope to anew generation.
You are about to experiencebrad and dylan's hot takes.
Here we go again.
Martin (00:18):
Again.
Jordan Peterson (00:19):
That's where we're gonna start.
Dylan (00:21):
Ben Affleck is, like all five ladies of the view combined
.
Brad (00:24):
Oh man uh, this is a.
We were just looking at Martinson here.
Hi Martin, oh, we're runningDude.
That's why I hit the button.
Dylan (00:37):
Yeah, that's what we do.
There is no.
There is no us.
Brad (00:40):
There's only it.
It says maybe from nine yearsago.
It's on real time with bill mar.
It was still real time, right.
Kermit (00:46):
Yeah.
Brad (00:47):
Yeah and uh.
Ben Affleck's on there, sameHarris is on there.
Martin was just asking aboutsome, some contemporary, um
Reasonable thinkers, so who?
Dylan (00:57):
are the modern modern, reasonable thinkers.
Brad (01:02):
You can agree or disagree with that right, I think, but I
think same as one of them waslike so we have this
understanding that Uh like for,for example, people are starting
to forget that.
Martin (01:13):
Um, not Freud.
What's his name Up in Heimer?
Help me out here.
John Jacob jingle heimerschmitt.
No, mm-hmm, that was one of mypersonal favorites.
Kermit (01:23):
Yeah.
Martin (01:24):
Smart guy, look him up physicist.
Dylan (01:28):
All right, but Einstein, no.
Where are you going with?
Brad (01:30):
this yeah, I'm gonna need more context.
Jordan Peterson (01:33):
This is what happens.
Brad (01:35):
I'm not.
I'm not good at the name of uhof the game of naming Friedman.
Robert Friedman, robertFriedman Okay, what about him?
That's it.
I just get a name.
Martin (01:47):
No, I'm just saying logical reasoning, oh, okay.
Dylan (01:52):
He owns Thomas Edison's piano.
That's pretty cool.
Brad (01:55):
Okay, not helpful.
Dylan (01:56):
I'm just all right.
Brad (01:57):
But if you want to look this up, it is uh, ben Affleck,
probably drunk, maybe yeah, he'spretty red faced.
Martin (02:05):
Yeah, he's red faced.
Brad (02:06):
Yeah pretty red faced and it's uh.
Dylan (02:10):
You guys are attacking a personal trait right now, that's
one of those as we just talkedabout.
Brad (02:14):
No, I was.
No, I was describing.
Martin (02:17):
Yes.
Brad (02:17):
Why he may not be arguing so well.
Martin (02:19):
So this is we don't have enough information, but what we
see on the surface is that hecould be under the influx is.
Brad (02:25):
This is an interesting, so you've just desecrated the name
of.
Ben Affleck oh, we did it, wedid it, you did you just okay.
Uh, interesting, take on, notmy bad man.
How to and how not to argue?
You possibly, yeah right,listen, and and sam is Maybe the
(02:46):
best.
Jordan Peterson (02:48):
Definitely one of top five.
Doesn't get riled up.
Brad (02:50):
He doesn't get riled up, he's constantly he he, he will
stay on topic and if somebodycomes at him he will break it
down to the point.
I mean, and that's that's whyhe's so good, because he, you
know, ben, goes, what are youthe professional?
And and he's like I'm prettywell read on this actually, yes,
I actually.
Very good, it's a productseminar at the same time yeah so
(03:12):
, uh, yeah, that's a, that's aninteresting take on that.
So.
Dylan (03:17):
Also, this isn't a good hot takes intro.
No, yeah, hot.
Brad (03:22):
Well, I was getting to that, the part that Martin
thinks Christianity is a scam.
I didn't say that there's adichotomy between the two, I
can't say that because for it tobe a hot take, you have to say
a hot take.
Dylan (03:41):
See he said.
He said it without even a voicemonitor later.
Brad (03:43):
Yeah, that was good.
I was like really deep robot.
I have a robot we are and.
Kermit (03:48):
I could say like I don't think it is probably really A
scam and you know like damn youfor even Trying to make it about
that.
I.
Martin (04:00):
Jump in anytime.
Dylan (04:01):
No, I'm gonna sit this one out like that.
I don't have a bomb of any ofthis.
Brad (04:06):
When I was texting him about, uh, jordan Peterson
coming to Davenport whicheverybody should go see February
18th, february 18th at thediscount code go to jordan dot
com.
Is that?
Kermit (04:17):
the answer.
Dylan (04:18):
Uh, yes, the oh, okay cap out of there capital.
Brad (04:21):
Oh, you can't.
You can't say discount code,why not?
I don't know.
Dylan (04:26):
Do what the fuck I want.
Brad (04:27):
It's my podcast, go it won't go go to the discount line
and put in kermit For 15 off.
Is it an uppercase, k orlowercase?
Martin (04:37):
k, that's backwards k.
Dylan (04:39):
Actually by the time this by the time, figure it out.
Actually, by the time thisepisode comes out, it'll have
already happened.
Brad (04:44):
Oh yeah, so you won't get the hot take.
Dylan (04:47):
We're bad at marketing, it's true.
Brad (04:49):
Um, dang it.
I got thrown off on thediscount code thing.
Dylan (04:56):
Stripe payment do.
What I miss is the uh 1 800Call.
Collect 1 800 ATT.
It's free for me, free for meand cheat for you, wasn't that?
Was that, uh caretop, thatcaretop that did that.
Brad (05:11):
Don't remember that one 800?
Dylan (05:13):
See, I don't remember is it, was it called ATT?
Martin (05:17):
I remember I'm just thinking collect calls man 1,
800, 2, 300 empire.
Brad (05:24):
Sorry, I haven't made a collect call since prison.
Martin (05:27):
Yeah, because you were in prison for how many years?
Hmm?
Dylan (05:29):
Hmm, you actually.
You've never been arrested,have you?
No, that's awesome.
Brad (05:33):
Come on, look at me.
Yeah, they do.
Martin (05:36):
I mean I'm looking at you right now, I mean it could
be kind of fragile, borderline,impressive, no, oh, you would
not make prison.
Brad (05:44):
No, no, at all, or I would Right tattoo.
I would tattoo a map all overmyself X marks.
Dylan (05:56):
Didn't you and shane and go into depth about that whole
subplot?
Brad (05:59):
No, I never really watched that show.
Okay, uh, that's a lot of time.
Jordan Peterson (06:03):
Let me get a lot.
Brad (06:04):
He had a lot of time no, before he went to prison, to get
all the tattoos Right.
Oh, but he was planning it outbeforehand, never mind.
I'm stupid, stupid plot I'm.
Martin (06:17):
Prison break.
Oh, never watched it.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
Brad (06:21):
I got nothing.
It's very hard, it's fair.
Uh, hot take.
Why are prime time shows sostupid?
They're not good.
They're not good.
You know that one about the uh,what was it called?
Castle.
There's a bunch of these wherethey're like oh yeah, you're an
author, just come on all of ourride-alongs and solve mysteries
with us.
Martin (06:41):
It's kind of like a spin-off of like mercero.
That doesn't happen, is thatwhere castle was?
Dylan (06:45):
Yeah, he's an author.
I didn't know that.
Martin (06:48):
He thought it was a real cop.
I know I didn't and I'm just.
I didn't know, that he was areal dick in that too.
Brad (06:55):
Speaking of real dicks, did you guys see the?
Uh, was it?
An Ohio swat team raided thewrong house, whoops.
Dylan (07:02):
Somebody die.
Brad (07:04):
No, there was a special needs baby in there.
They got hit by a flashbang Notgood yeah and they caught him
on the ring doorbell afterComing back out and they're like
yeah.
Dylan (07:15):
It's wrong.
I think there was also some.
I think there was also somefuck ups before them, because
the the owners had told themmultiple times that that person
didn't live there anymore, likethey had multiple encounters for
weeks leading up and it wasjust like they never verified
they're the guy used to live atthat house.
I think of who they're goingafter and they also uh, hot take
(07:36):
.
Brad (07:38):
No knock warrants an entry's.
Problematic Would agree,because if they would have just
knocked on the door, that ladywould have opened the door and
then they could have Lessintensely gone about their
business.
Instead they went it, knockeddoor down, flashbangs through
(07:59):
the windows, you know.
Dylan (08:01):
Yeah, can you not the sound?
Can you not please do that shit, I'm dynamic.
Martin (08:07):
You you don't have to button for that.
Brad (08:09):
You know what you tell me to be close to the microphone.
This is the thing is bread forthe microphone.
I don't know what you want.
Dylan (08:13):
This is the story that brad tells everyone when he gets
on the podcast.
He's on the mic, he's like oh,dylan wanted to do this, dylan
wanted to do that.
Oh, it's all Dylan, this.
And then you should see all ofour text messages.
Brad's like and I got this ideaand we're gonna do this, and
then we can do this and he getsall excited and then the moment
he gets here he's negative,fucking Nancy, and then he does
dumb shit like I think the micand then I have to fucking edit
(08:36):
it.
Brad (08:36):
I'm literally only talking about the microphone right now,
and you're throwing me underthe bus for everything else in
my life, yes, me and Shannonhave built a.
Dylan (08:44):
Just so we're clear yes, okay, we have Shannon and I,
shannon and I have a coalitionof the willing, and it is shit
on Brad.
Brad (08:56):
Wow, I can do it again.
Dylan (08:57):
I don't have any coasters , so Maybe you would build some
for the podcast out of wood,which is what the tables made
out of.
Brad (09:04):
Yeah, but then you could put.
Dylan (09:05):
You could put a nice dampening on bottom of it.
Brad (09:08):
I don't know okay, I'll do that for you.
Thank you, I'll do it for you,thank you.
What do you want to made out of?
Dylan (09:15):
I want kind of rosewood Mmm.
How about two by fours?
Okay, okay good.
Brad (09:22):
Good got it high class on rails.
Yeah, martin, what do you hate?
Martin (09:28):
I'm pretty mellow.
Kermit (09:31):
No, he's crystal pal.
Martin (09:32):
He hates fucking crystal palace no they're struggling
club.
They're fine, fuck crystalpalace.
Dylan (09:36):
It's the shitty part of London.
Brad (09:38):
Wow, that's hot take.
I think.
I don't know.
Martin (09:44):
Let's start digging.
What do you think?
Brad (09:48):
Children sports, people that oppress women.
Martin (09:53):
Yeah, mmm, that's big one.
Brad (09:56):
Top of that, yeah, yeah top five.
Dylan (09:58):
Oh, Jordan Peterson, but they do some kind of like
Rapunzel archetypal Story thathe's repressed and needs to save
people.
I don't know.
I just feel like that'ssomething that we could jump to
a conclusion about.
I.
Brad (10:14):
I can't, I don't know.
Okay, I don't know, did helikes to go down the rabbit hole
?
Dylan (10:19):
Yeah, there's a story for everything.
Brad (10:21):
It always goes back to some story, but it's only one
story, so because it's thisstory, ergo everything has to be
like this is your hot take, sowhere we going with this?
It's, I mean we, we talk aboutnuances a lot on this, on the
step into it.
No, we don't need to dive intoit because yeah.
(10:42):
Peterson has an archetype foreverything.
Martin (10:45):
This is we're just too fucking hard Okay.
Let's for every let's talkabout the monster.
Dylan (10:50):
Let's talk about the monster.
Martin (10:51):
Oh.
Dylan (10:52):
You'll talk about the monster.
Okay, everyone has a monster inthem.
Brad (10:57):
Yes, but more specifically .
Dylan (10:59):
All right, you cheer it up, brad, cheer it up, Yep.
Martin (11:02):
Is this like a three-wood or driver?
Dylan (11:06):
We'll pull, we'll pull up a little, we'll pull up a
little clip.
Brad (11:10):
No, we can't pull up a place.
We can't.
No, we can't.
Well, I'm gonna, because I'mgonna read it because, you won't
even know the difference.
Okay.
Martin (11:19):
Yeah.
Brad (11:19):
All right, go for it Okay.
Jordan Peterson (11:24):
To the two degree.
That's unimaginable.
So you can look and see all theinterpretations and all the
translations and get some senseof what the genuine, genuine
meaning might be and the linethe meek shall inherit the earth
.
Meek is not a good translationor the word has moved in the
three hundred years or so, 300years or so, since it was
translated.
(11:45):
What it means is this those whohave swords and know how to use
them but keep them sheathedwill inherit the world and
that's another thing.
Kermit (11:53):
I've been telling you how, no kidding.
Jordan Peterson (11:56):
That's a big difference.
It's so great and so, like oneof the, I'll tell young man.
Brad (12:02):
Can we?
Jordan Peterson (12:02):
can we just believe him, and that is word
for that.
Dylan (12:04):
What do you say?
Brad (12:05):
Can we just believe him at his word for that?
Dylan (12:08):
Okay.
Martin (12:10):
Yes, no, no, no, oh no.
We don't.
We were going back to ourconversation about reasoning
like it could be true.
Dylan (12:19):
Based on inputs and outputs.
Guys table.
Brad (12:26):
They've been the table.
I know shit, yeah, basically Imean.
So essentially what he gets atis you need to be a monster and
so, through this, the meek shallinherit the earth.
In his translation of this,which is probably somebody
else's translation of it, whichI guarantee there's somebody
else that says, no, that's notthe translation, because that's
how translating 2000 year oldlanguages work, is it?
(12:50):
If you Don't harm someone, thatdoesn't automatically make you
a good person, right?
So if you are meek or if you'rea weak person and you don't
harm anyone, that doesn't makeyou a good person.
Let's leave out all the nuancesof that, such as like are we
(13:11):
talking physically or we talkingmentally?
Are we talking psychologically?
Do you know how little pressureit takes to pull a trigger, etc
.
Right, like hey, you don't haveto be like a fucking MMA
fighter archetype To cause a lotof harm to somebody.
Can?
Dylan (13:26):
we archetype, the archetype, yeah, yeah, okay,
looks like that.
Brad (13:29):
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, good call Wow.
Dylan (13:31):
Wow.
Brad (13:34):
I don't know what that was , but you have to be.
You have to be this monster.
So if you are a monster capableof these horrendous things and
then you choose not to do them,that's what makes you a truly
good person.
Martin (13:52):
My only argument is like why?
Why do you have to be themonster?
Do you have to be the monsterin the moment?
Do you have to be the monsterevery day?
Brad (13:59):
because you May find yourself in a situation that may
require you to be a Monsterthat may work out in your favor.
Martin (14:10):
Is it to just work out in your favor period, so you get
what you need, all your maslos.
Dylan (14:17):
No, it could be a foundation for a lot of stuff.
Is that the world's inherentlyevil, and so you're, by the
world being inherently evil, youby proxy or evil, and so you
have to learn to control thatevil but that's what makes you a
good person.
Martin (14:30):
He doesn't really say that it's it's.
He gets your pointer.
Brad (14:33):
Okay, but but his point is like you need to like become
this monster first and thenmeans you need to put a
competent and then put a leashon it, but I think the term
monsters bad.
Martin (14:44):
Yeah, I.
Kermit (14:47):
Just.
Dylan (14:49):
But it's, it's the hero versus the monster and it's like
well, it's, you just need to becapable is what he's saying.
Martin (14:56):
I think it's an ego thing.
What do you think?
Brad (14:58):
No, he's Because he's looking at it like medieval
nights, or Are we gonna go havedinner at medieval times?
Dylan (15:09):
No, that's a, that's a drive away, it's good Welcome to
medieval times, that's I'venever actually been to one.
That's not it.
No, it's awesome.
That's good Mm-hmm.
Brad (15:19):
I went after surgery and I could actually eat everything.
Good for you.
Yeah, it was fun.
Okay, I was like corn on thecob, nailed it.
Yeah okay, but his hello, thearchetype of the hero, where
that's a different one.
Dylan (15:33):
So I'm just lambs, come on.
Brad (15:34):
It's a different type.
Move on the hero, the heroarchetype, that is Hmm, cool, I
don't know.
Pick out like some typicalsuperhero movie type.
Okay.
Dylan (15:50):
He talks about Superman.
It's like Superman has thecapabilities destroy this entire
planet and take it over for hisown because he just he knows
could stop him but he chooses tosave mankind instead, for
whatever reason, even thoughthey're not one of him.
Hmm, but, but we havekryptonite.
Brad (16:09):
But he's also saying that there's apparently people that
don't have the capacity to doevil and so therefore they're
not good.
But like that doesn't makesense to me.
Yeah, I see what.
Martin (16:22):
I'm saying but isn't that just having morals Like
deep embedded, Synapse,connected morals of like I can't
, I can't do that?
Brad (16:35):
I feel like there's a lot.
I feel like there's a lot ofthe what would you do in this
situation when, until you're putin that extreme situation, you
don't know exactly how you wouldreact?
You know?
Martin (16:46):
Well, I mean what boils down to, for that is like I mean
so like I have that exercise to.
So if I were to ask you what,not to do.
Brad (16:54):
If I were to ask you like Martin, do you think that you
could kill someone?
I would say it depends Okay.
And if I ask Dylan, he wouldsay a hundred percent.
Yes, love to do it.
Martin (17:02):
Yes, yeah, see oh, so it's a good conversation then.
Brad (17:05):
So I Believe him, you don't believe me.
Yeah, I mean, I think there'speople that are like I don't
think I could do that, but itdepends, because I need to know
the more information.
I understand that.
So His argument seems to be.
Jordan Peterson (17:21):
Do you need the information?
Brad (17:28):
Easy with the cops there.
His and his argument isEveryone needs to be Dylan first
and then figure out, maybe, howto be Martin, where you know.
Martin (17:41):
I'm still on the depends .
He's not the diapers, butthat's.
Brad (17:47):
That's all I'm saying.
Yeah, that's problematic for me.
Jordan Peterson (17:51):
Yeah.
Brad (17:52):
Also like how do you define?
Yeah, there's just too manythings to it.
I don't like any of it.
The monster part?
Yeah, the meek part, like whodecides?
Dylan (18:03):
Competence, I mean you're on your own.
Martin (18:05):
You supposed to decide though.
Dylan (18:07):
Yeah but.
Martin (18:08):
But it's also like you have the keys to the castle.
Kermit (18:12):
Okay, you know the castle you know the castle.
Yeah, yeah.
Dylan (18:21):
It's a Get, so it he over generalizes.
I think he talks about it attimes.
I'm not defending him here, buthe talks about he over
generalizes to try to get amessage out.
But I think you're supposed to,you're supposed to keep
striving for more potential.
Martin (18:37):
I understand that, but it's interesting that in some of
the clips does he dive deeperinto what that actually looks
like for him?
Brad (18:45):
No, this is what he's really good at.
Martin (18:48):
Oh he, he's a.
Dylan (18:50):
Diverge.
Jordan Peterson (18:51):
He.
Brad (18:51):
I mean he does, he does explain some when him when him
Dawkins and Harris were together.
Dylan (18:57):
He kind of he went a little deeper than I've seen him
go before on a couple differenttopics.
Brad (19:01):
That was a while ago.
It was a while ago.
Martin (19:03):
He doesn't really go like that I mean, like I said,
he's a different person now.
Dylan (19:07):
Well.
His he does dangerous bydiscipline with Jaco, that one's
a little bit better hisdemographic is Young males.
That feel lost, underappreciated.
There's that so.
So it's easy, you know it's notthe tent you know, wasted,
potential wasted.
Yeah, you know, people havelost, but there's also I.
Brad (19:29):
Feel like without a deep explanation Explanation of I
yeah, I'm things where kids,kids or young adults could hear
those kind of things and be likehe has a strong call to action,
which is you know you have thepower within yourself to it's
basically you need it.
Kermit (19:46):
Damn it.
You got to wake up and youcan't change the world if you
don't change your she.
I think it.
Dylan (19:52):
I think it definitely helps flip in there to, though I
think he's probably very it'sprobably very appealing to
people that have had victimmentalities, sure, and then,
yeah, I and I do see positivepositivity in that where it's
more of a called action of itcan always be worse, because
that's always one of his things,right always be worse and you
have the power to change it.
(20:13):
Now I'm not saying he's notsaying you're gonna have the
power to become the best.
You know your favorite scenario, but you can make it better.
You know You're better.
Might not be the millions ofdollars and the fun cars and all
that shit, but you're better,can look better than what you're
doing right now.
So it's on you to make yourlife better, nobody else's, and
(20:37):
you don't get to blame anyoneelse but yourself.
Really, I don't know ever.
Martin (20:42):
My mom used to be well, I don't seem to have her there.
I mean just can't be told there.
There's some Understandingaround that like you should be
able to take ownership.
I think that's a large part ofthe American population that
they're like Was it my fault?
It's like wait a second.
Did you reflect and like, takea little bit of ownership of
(21:02):
like what happened?
You know I?
Dylan (21:03):
mean, I think that's something that I've tried to
instill More recently in my lifeis when I We've talked about
this in the last episode werecorded, which will be
completely out of context forany of our listeners, which
we're really good at doing, um,so thanks for sticking with us.
Guys and gals and All thenon-binary's oh god, lost my
(21:24):
train of thought.
That's ADHD.
Real it in choo choo, go catchthat train.
I can't, it's gone.
That's living with ADHD.
Oh, it's asking yourself thequestion.
Thank you.
If you get that, if you get anemotional response, if you start
to feel yourself feeling somenegative emotions because of
(21:46):
something else, it's always whatcould I have done better or
what could, what could I havedone to prevent it.
And it's it's not taking all ofit and and saying it's all my
fault, but it's asking yourselfsome real questions which are
how could we have prevented thistogether and taking more joint
ownership with the people aroundyou?
And then there are some peoplethat you're just not.
There's not a lot you can do tocontrol those actions, but also
(22:08):
you cannot put yourself inthose situations with those
individuals.
Then and understand that I willallow myself to be in this
situation with that person,which, and again, is my
responsibility to take ownershipof.
So I think those are reallykind of easy things for people
to do.
Is your natural reaction isgoing to be like this person did
this to me.
It's like okay, so what did wedo to get here?
(22:29):
Why did I allow myself here?
Martin (22:30):
And it's not again taking the blame on, it's just
understanding.
Dylan (22:31):
It helps you understand the process in the moment so
that you don't repeat thosesteps again.
Brad (22:36):
100% you can really repeat the steps if the steps are
already gonna happen anyways,it's just looking back at it.
No, we're going intopredetermination now, jesus.
Dylan (22:47):
Not really.
Oh, it's just a yeah lack offree will Sing.
Brad (22:51):
Wow, that's all.
Dylan (22:54):
But then Brad Todd take would be I don't know, but then
Brad Todd take would be takeownership.
God didn't do it for you.
Oh, we did that one last time,though, Well, stop doing it
again.
Brad (23:08):
Had what's?
Dylan (23:10):
oh, I had one from last time.
No, you got to keep on this one.
This is mine right now.
What's yours?
I don't know.
We're talking about JordanPeterson being the monster and
taking ownership.
He's not a monster, okay.
Brad (23:20):
He's Kermit.
He's Got to go back to school.
Dylan (23:23):
He lost his loss.
Oh, he did, he do, he lost hislicense, oh he did they pulled
it oh.
I wouldn't know.
So he has his packpractitioners license in Canada.
Can he get one in the US, or Idon't think he has one probably
different.
Brad (23:36):
Yeah, I don't know how that works.
Dylan (23:40):
It is kind of crazy, though, like them pulling his
license.
Martin (23:44):
I would say it's.
It's different, just like whenyou practice law.
You can't practice law in everystate, right?
So, like being able to practice.
Dylan (23:51):
Yeah, I mean what I just didn't know if you had a Lincoln
.
I just didn't know if you'dever try to be licensed in the
US, but this is neither here northere.
Lincoln lawyer.
Brad (23:59):
Yeah, it could be the Lincoln psychiatrist.
I.
Dylan (24:03):
What's what's a good.
Brad (24:03):
Canadian car car none exist.
Dylan (24:06):
No, but they'd be like big, like lifted Dodge Ram now
Canada.
They like their Dodge Rams inCanada.
Brad (24:13):
Do they that's not there about, like public transit stuff
?
I?
Dylan (24:17):
Depends on what part of Canada.
Brad (24:18):
You're in man.
Dylan (24:19):
They're there it is wildly different, depending on.
Martin (24:22):
Canada that East Coast is different those.
Yeah, what do French peopledrive like baguettes, reynolds,
reynolds, citrone, I don't know,I don't, do they have to turn
in Canada.
Dylan (24:34):
Hmm, you could.
Maybe you know what's funny isgoing to different countries and
seeing car brands you've neverseen before.
Mm-hmm, that's one of myfavorites, you're like oh, I've
never seen that brand beforeAbout some really cool brands.
When we were down in MexicoCity I was like these cars are
really nice.
She don't remember what they'recalled, but they're cool.
Brad (24:49):
She knows driving on 53rd the other day and she was oh,
that's really nice car.
She's like I think that's right.
Is that a Ferrari?
I'm like I don't know.
This isn't a video call.
I can't see what she's like.
My sons would be sodisappointed in me right now.
She's like it's pretty.
Dylan (25:08):
The big cart, big, big car nerds.
Brad (25:11):
No, but they.
They watch enough videos andeverything that you should bring
them down sometime.
They know a little bit.
I'm sure the office they know,maybe more than she does like in
terms of.
Martin (25:22):
Okay, just being nice cars, don't?
Dylan (25:25):
I'm only no, not my no, not that office, different
office.
But we're not gonna do that onthere because we don't need
everyone knowing what you can'ttext while we're podcasting.
Brad (25:36):
I'm not texting.
Dylan (25:37):
What are you doing?
You're looking up your hot take.
No, what do you?
Brad (25:40):
I am, I'm googling.
Dylan (25:42):
What are you googling?
You have a laptop in front ofyou and you're using your phone.
Brad (25:46):
I forgot, even shittier.
Thank you for that.
Thank you for that.
Wow, wow, wow.
I was looking up what JordanPeterson drives.
Dylan (25:56):
Oh my god, that's awesome .
Brad (25:58):
That's a good you want to do.
You want to guess?
Dylan (26:00):
I don't know Like a 70 78 Rolls Royce Phantom, white,
toyota Corolla.
He seems like the guy thatwould love, like an old Rolls
Royce.
Martin (26:10):
Honda correct.
Brad (26:14):
Ferrari 360 Modena.
Dylan (26:17):
Modena dude.
Brad (26:18):
Mercedes G63 AMG.
Dylan (26:20):
Hmm, I Used to drive a 63 AMG.
It's a really nice car, is thatit?
This is worth a bi-turbo?
Do you know what a bi-turbo is,brad?
It's different.
Brad (26:29):
It's a turbo that goes both in and out.
No oh.
Kermit (26:33):
No, you don't like and take an exhaust Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Dylan (26:36):
So twin turbo I was gonna go with like it's like both
ways, but they're tuned to be atdifferent, different parts of
the ramp, of the ramp up of theengine, so they don't, they
don't work in conjunction witheach other.
Brad (26:47):
You get a low end at a high end, kind of yeah
interesting.
But how's that work?
What do you mean?
Dylan (26:53):
Well, turbos work on Exhaust mm-hmm, so you still can
have a computer programming andcontrol something.
Brad (26:59):
I Didn't say, you couldn't do that.
Dylan (27:02):
Okay, so how's that work then?
Brad (27:03):
I don't know how it works.
You tell me you're the one thatbrought up by turbos.
Okay, I'm just saying, at lowRPM you don't have a lot of
exhaust pressure To spin a turbo.
Dylan (27:13):
Yeah, but you're assuming that has to be like low M is
subjective.
What what it like low end ofwhen it starts can?
Be anywhere on that band,that's fine.
Martin (27:22):
I'm not, I don't know, I'm you know what.
Brad (27:26):
God, hate you.
Good, hot, take hate you.
Hate you, yeah, wait, you don'tever.
You don't ever have one ofthese.
Dylan (27:36):
I'm a very cool, calm and collected individual.
I don't know if you know this,oh so one was I.
Brad (27:43):
You need to learn to embrace your individuality in a
group setting.
Who me?
Dylan (27:47):
Yeah, you, mm-hmm.
Yeah, I'm kind of definitely,I'm definitely not my own person
ever.
Brad (27:51):
Yeah, you're not.
I'm trying like really tired ofyou staying out like a black
valley and a sea of white roses.
I I Think this is the most likelook at me, I'm a black guy.
I was dissected at the way.
I think this is the most.
Dylan (28:04):
This is the most telling.
One of the most telling storiesabout me is I was on my way to
meet an ex-girlfriend's friendsin a different state and as we
were driving, she just looked atme and she goes can you just
Not be so, dylan, this weekendwhen you meet my friends?
And I said, oh, that oneactually really hurt.
Brad (28:26):
Like I kind of sounds like a really good like blink 180 to
song Mmm Don't be Dylan.
Martin (28:30):
Yeah, but uh, bless Dylan.
Dylan (28:34):
I.
Brad (28:35):
Maybe that's what we'll call Friday's less Dylan so I've
heard some stories and From aschool setting about me no not
yet.
And it's you.
You have these family unitsthat are Peculiar by regular
(28:55):
standards and that can be anynumber of things.
They're just you know.
Are we talking about the, the?
Dylan (29:01):
Envijit the evangelists.
Brad (29:04):
No okay, no, we're just like you have everybody that's
kind of on that, on the averageLine, right here, right like
most of humanity, like a bigchunk Okay, and then, and then
you have the outliers the peoplein the spectrum, like us.
Well, what sure?
Okay, that's that spectrumcould be whatever you want.
Yeah, gender related, sexrelated, art related.
(29:24):
Okay dress related or lack ofor lack of your case related.
Dylan (29:33):
Fucking hobo sorry, whatever it's like slate 800,
maybe 600, he doesn't know.
Tailwind, so it has be begy YepBackground keep going.
Brad (29:48):
I've lost all interest in this pocket.
Come on, keep going.
So it is okay for you toobviously have individual you
know likes and Preferences andWhatever, but you're in a whole
(30:10):
other group of people that alsohave their own likes and tastes
and standards.
Dylan (30:17):
I know you're going with this.
Okay, so you have yourindividualism is great, but
don't stomp on everyone else'sindividualism by making you to
buy their individualism.
Yeah, there's still over ahundred other individuals here.
Brad (30:28):
Hmm, tea party.
So like, that's cool, you can.
You can have your pink hair, oryou can have your tattoos, or
you can have your it's kind oflike secondhand smoke, super
religious.
Dylan (30:38):
You can smoke, but just don't do it in the same room as
me.
So I just have to huff at theentire time.
Martin (30:42):
Yeah, yeah, okay.
Brad (30:44):
You could look at it in terms of uh, this is not a good
individualism.
But in a lot of public schoolsyou're having kids that just are
not just throwing tantrumsabout like destroying school,
you know school properties.
And in a lot of states you justkind of like oh, here you go,
go in this room, destroy thisroom, like that's our, that's
our policy now.
Jordan Peterson (31:05):
Hmm.
Brad (31:06):
And it's like mm-hmm, Like , what, how?
How do you get to do that, Like?
Because, because your feelingsare are not being validated the
way that you want them to be,you get to ruin a whole bunch of
other individuals and what doeshe get to do?
Martin (31:20):
He or she gets to do it.
What can I do it?
Just for funsies, you might beable to do it for funsies.
Brad (31:25):
Hmm, yeah, is that what you want to do?
Maybe?
Yeah, you gotta go to town.
Mm-hmm, yeah, you got to go,like I like go all out.
Martin (31:32):
Mm-hmm.
Brad (31:32):
Yeah.
Martin (31:33):
Go back to go home, right.
Brad (31:35):
Yeah, but even in a not so extreme case, it's.
You have examples of parentsjust like not taking any
ownership over the fact thatlike their kid is is one part of
many an entire system that istrying to function.
Martin (31:52):
I mean we used to let the peanut allergy kids die many
to many.
Brad (31:56):
I don't think, I don't think that's a problem and
you're going to really triggerShannon with that.
She's going to come at you hard.
Dylan (32:02):
Is she?
I can't wait, shannon, hmm.
Brad (32:04):
Text me.
Yeah.
Martin (32:07):
Just not going to mess around.
I do think that that theallergy issue is because the
exposure is not early enough.
Jordan Peterson (32:15):
Hmm.
Dylan (32:16):
That's just my theory.
Oh, we're going to reallyisolate some people on this one.
This is theory.
Brad (32:23):
So like what's not early enough, like does the womb count
?
Theoretically maybe I'm justsaying Shannon ate eggs All the
time, every single day of herpregnancy.
Yeah, but there.
Martin (32:38):
No, no, no, I completely understand that that's right.
Dylan (32:40):
There could be something else.
That's just too Overwhelmed him.
That's why now I do think nowshe's really going to eat you.
Martin (32:46):
Okay, it's your fault.
The egg, the egg one, eggallergy is an interesting one
because I'm sure, like the issue, there is something more
nuanced.
But the peanut one, like I hadthis theory a long time ago.
Or like the dark, like oh,don't introduce peanut butter to
your infant at X month.
Brad (33:06):
Well, it's not.
It's not really a theory, it's.
There is some scientific datato say that if you, if you do
introduce in really small dosesat a young age, that I think
there is a less yeah, yeah, yeah.
That they will develop anallergy.
Hmm, I don't know if they knowwhy Exactly, but at the same
(33:27):
time, like I, grew up in Asia.
Dylan (33:28):
I mean everything has peanut in it.
Martin (33:30):
Mm, hmm, yeah.
Brad (33:32):
But, don't take away my pad.
But flip side they're killingbabies like no tomorrow, because
everything has peanut in it.
Martin (33:38):
No, I was even with that .
Okay, I was even more like thelactose route.
Brad (33:42):
Oh, a lot of lactose and topics yeah, yeah.
Martin (33:45):
Um is there a big milk culture in Asia though.
No, there is, but there wasn't.
There wasn't an animal, yeah.
Who started that.
Who brought the milk culture toAsia?
The Americana, oh, did it.
How do they the?
Dylan (34:00):
lactose what was that?
Brad (34:01):
What was?
Dylan (34:01):
that advertising campaign like I want to know, like
what's true, like someone in theUnited States is like we can
sell dairy.
Yeah, it was the, it was theGot Milk, it was the, it was
that was.
That was different, though.
Brad (34:11):
No, no, no, it was the hot girl with, like the milk, oh
Jesus.
Martin (34:14):
They're so white, do you ?
Dylan (34:15):
know that that's how Michael Bay got to start.
Like the big director.
Michael Bay got his start doingthe Got Milk stuff, Like that's
like what he started doing.
Brad (34:24):
No, I didn't know that.
That's it.
That was his start in theHollywood.
Also, the lactose thingactually makes sense, because we
shouldn't be drinking cow'smilk.
Martin (34:31):
Oh, we know that.
Brad (34:31):
Yeah, I mean, I think we know that I right yeah, Like we
ate peanuts before we drankcow's milk.
Martin (34:38):
Right Right so we're drinking at different animals
milk, but yeah, beside their own.
Yeah, it's true, yeah.
Dylan (34:51):
That's it.
No, we were just saying we kindof skipped over the
individuality.
Brad (34:56):
Oh yeah, Because you guys hate people with allergies.
No, that's right, I forgot wewere right there.
Dylan (35:03):
I have a buddy that went on her first date Now his wife
but she told him they're goingon her first date.
She goes I have a massive nutallergy and I'm just letting you
know there's an epi pen in mypurse just in case I have
something happen.
And big man on campus was likeI can't wait to stab you.
This is going to be great, likethree dates in.
She's there with friends and hefroze up.
(35:26):
She got, she had a reaction, hefroze up, he couldn't do it.
So I wonder if her friends orshe ended up doing it herself
and like just jabbed it.
Brad (35:34):
But it was funny because I was waiting for the punchline.
You know who it was.
What about do you know who wasD's?
Dylan (35:39):
nuts.
Brad (35:40):
Do you know who it was?
I would have been classic itwas.
Dylan (35:43):
you can't say it.
I can't say it.
You're right.
I can't call people out.
Martin (35:46):
Yeah, I'll tell you offline it's not fair, it's not
fair, it's not fair, it's notfair.
Brad (35:52):
It's not fair.
It's not fair.
I'm not doing this.
I'm not doing this.
That would have been a goodtagline, though, but there is
this.
Dylan (35:56):
What about D's?
Where does it stop?
Where my individualism is somuch more important than your
individualism?
Like that's the.
There's a little bit of this.
I'm more important than you andmy feelings.
Brad (36:08):
Where does it stop?
Martin (36:09):
Yeah, I think when there's no overarching
understanding of what communityis supposed to really mean,
that's it.
Brad (36:16):
It's an ominous thing, An easy and not at all likable
solution.
That would be like if you're soindividual, then you don't get
to take part in these grouphappenings, ie Anything
Basically, I'm sorry, do youneed other people in your life?
Is that a thing?
Solitary confinement?
Martin (36:36):
Are we not supposed to be social beings?
If you're not Okay, fair enough.
See you later.
Brad (36:41):
And so just be your individual self in a social
environment.
Yeah, what if they can't dothat?
What if they can't do?
Dylan (36:49):
that.
How does it get triggered?
But by what?
I have no idea.
Brad (36:52):
You can't just say words.
Dylan (36:54):
Why not?
Yeah, we do it all the time.
Brad (36:56):
No, I don't Okay.
What happens if they gettriggered?
Dylan (37:06):
Yeah, parents call and then the teachers get pissed off
and they just give up becauseit's too hard to deal with it
all the time.
I mean, look at Martin, formerteacher.
Kermit (37:19):
Here I am.
Martin (37:21):
Hi guys.
Kermit (37:22):
I just can't believe they let these kids just go into
classrooms and you know whatthey are.
They're monsters.
Dylan (37:31):
Okay, my hot take I get really upset when we reduce
ourselves to the lowest commondenominator and we don't try to
teach, educate, to the highestcommon.
Brad (37:46):
I have thought about this a little bit Um in terms, of
this goes from all aspects.
Dylan (37:52):
It's not just education.
Yeah, and there's in theworkforce too.
It's like, well, such and suchisn't going to be able to handle
it.
And you're like, well, how arewe going to grow then?
Right, we can't.
We can't keep our standardsdown because of certain subset.
We and it's not saying that youdon't want to bring them along
with them or give them the extraneed and attention they need,
but that's on them to get theextra work.
Kermit (38:13):
Right.
Dylan (38:14):
It's not for you to slow the pace down, so you're still
meeting them, but they, if theywant to be there, they need to
be right.
Brad (38:21):
They need to get the extra work.
Exactly, I think there's a interms of educating, or like
younger kids, and I've thoughtabout.
I've thought about this in acouple of ways.
Like first grade always teachesthe same thing every single
year.
That's like you justovergeneralize some first grade
teachers.
Wow, I did.
Dylan (38:41):
I mean, you mean, they're fun, it's fundamentals, it's
it's noted.
Brad (38:45):
And until I think we we went through range.
I had a thought that was likewhy can't we?
We're not getting smarter, likewe're not getting smarter at
all.
We can't challenge, we got todo the same thing all the time.
And now I think I'm more of thebelief that challenge is maybe
(39:08):
some of the part that's missing.
So just the general concept,the general concept of like
challenging them, workingthrough something that's hard,
that they don't get right away,because I think that leads to
more success in things likeyou're talking about, where
someone is challenged bysomething and they know how to
react to it, instead of justbeing like well, this doesn't
(39:29):
come easy, I don't know, how todo this.
Martin (39:32):
Somebody else should do this.
Yeah, I mean, when you talkabout education, it's just it's.
It's tough because eachindividual child is the ultimate
variable, and you're probablygoing to hear that for me quite
often is that the ultimatevariable carries so many
different things as they walkinto that classroom.
(39:54):
Yeah, and past experiencescircumstances social economic
breakfast, home, life, all therest of it.
And you have a child that isvery intellectual, understands,
but the easy thing for theeducators to put them down that
(40:15):
same path as everyone else.
And so what that boils down tois then how do you provide
resources for that child tochallenge them?
And we don't have enough ofthose resources because just the
way the system is currentlybuilt in terms in terms of the
(40:36):
public system, now, if you wantto pay for it, that's a
different story.
It is a different story, yeah,yeah, but there are ways to do
it.
But Money there's been someeconomics around that, like
they've done some economicsaround injecting loads of cash
into a situation of education.
(40:56):
Where will this have massiverepercussions on a positive side
?
Yeah, it's based around thesystem.
Brad (41:01):
Like you can't just pump money into a bad system and
expect good outcomes.
Right and that's right.
Martin (41:06):
And that is, you can't just say you know you're not
going to be able to do that.
You just throw money.
Jordan Peterson (41:10):
Yeah, you can't do money.
Brad (41:11):
Money doesn't solve anything Money solves something
with a correct plan, right, yeah, but to implement some good
systems, you will also need moremoney.
Dylan (41:18):
Yeah so 100%, but doesn't that Elon make it happen?
It's kind of interesting,though, because we battle.
Quick going out of space wekind of we battle with well, and
kind of going back to theindividualism or going back to
the not fair Right.
Well, why did those five kidsget to go to that?
(41:39):
Go learn about that.
And my kid doesn't.
Kermit (41:42):
So the life's not fair, damn it.
Dylan (41:44):
Your kid doesn't even understand the first two
concepts.
To even get to that point?
Kermit (41:47):
So, but you're going to, you're going to have that.
Dylan (41:50):
You're going to have to fight that, or it's like well,
no, they need to be up there tolearn.
You're like they are learning,but they're learning the core to
make them competent at thislevel right now, so that they
can get to the next level,Because if you skip the
fundamentals it's baselessknowledge.
They can probably repeat apattern without they
understanding and we always goback to what is the why?
Martin (42:08):
We can't understand the why it's a it's a it's a loss
cause.
Well, it's the same thing inathletics is, too.
It's like well, what is that?
Well, you know, why does Jimmyget to be bumped up and playing
with the older kids?
Like because Jimmy knows thebasics and he can actually
execute the basics at a fastlevel, whereas Timmy, he still
needs to do the basics.
Dylan (42:27):
Stress and circulation.
Yeah, you can't, just you can'tthrow him in a wildfire and
you've got to build up to it,yeah, and everybody grows and
learns, at different levels too.
Brad (42:39):
So, yeah, all these kids are eight and half of them can
do this you know, repeatedly andefficiently, and the other half
can't.
Does that mean that the thehalf that can't are never going
to be able to?
No, it just means that maybeit's two months, maybe, and
you've seen it click with kids,or it's just like uh, uh, like
(43:00):
on on a soccer team, like hey,um, I know I haven't seen you
for like five whole days, butwhen the fuck did you learn how
to kick like that?
You're like oh, I just I justlearned yesterday.
Oh, okay, cool, yeah, Cool.
Dylan (43:16):
It just.
You know the feeling now.
You know it just.
Jordan Peterson (43:18):
They're like oh this is this is how I do it.
And then it deluxe, and thenpractice.
Good, now you're all around tothe next thing.
Brad (43:25):
It's not like it's not going to happen, it just takes a
while.
Yeah so yeah, that's true.
All right, well, I don't haveany more things to hate, I'll
tell you guys.
Dylan (43:33):
Okay, I love you too.
I love you too, thanks.
Kermit (43:38):
You're still here.
It's over.
Martin (43:44):
Go home.
Brad (43:50):
Go.
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