April 4, 2024 • 41 mins
Ever feel like you're walking a tightrope between affection and codependency, or find yourself questioning the authenticity of ADHD diagnoses? Strap in, because we are about to take you on a rollercoaster ride through these complex terrains. We'll share personal stories that might just mirror your own experiences and debate the stickiness of relationships, the intricacies of mental health prescriptions, and the colorful spectrum of our emotional lives.
Dylan drops by with anecdotes and insights that'll either have you nodding along or sparking your own fiery opinions. Together, we crack open the can of worms that is Adderall, dissect the significance of failure and perseverance in our lives, and ponder the role of medication in forging our paths. From personal battles with task initiation to the broader implications of mental health management, we're here to explore it all—with our signature blend of humor and honesty.
Grab a spoon, because we're serving up a final course of thought-provoking topics, from the shadowy corners of breaking habits to the shifting sands of religious history and education. We wrap things up with a playful jab at the idea of free will and gluttony—Cheez Whiz, anyone?—all while weaving in a cheeky nod to the contradictions that make us human. So, listen in and get ready to laugh, learn, and maybe even redefine your perspectives with the three of us as your guides.
Dylan drops by with anecdotes and insights that'll either have you nodding along or sparking your own fiery opinions. Together, we crack open the can of worms that is Adderall, dissect the significance of failure and perseverance in our lives, and ponder the role of medication in forging our paths. From personal battles with task initiation to the broader implications of mental health management, we're here to explore it all—with our signature blend of humor and honesty.
Grab a spoon, because we're serving up a final course of thought-provoking topics, from the shadowy corners of breaking habits to the shifting sands of religious history and education. We wrap things up with a playful jab at the idea of free will and gluttony—Cheez Whiz, anyone?—all while weaving in a cheeky nod to the contradictions that make us human. So, listen in and get ready to laugh, learn, and maybe even redefine your perspectives with the three of us as your guides.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On a desolate, frozen tundra, surrounded by mindless,
brain-numbing cold takes, twobros trek through the
nothingness to bring hope to anew generation.
You are about to experienceBrad and Dylan's Hot Takes.
Here we go again.
Hot Takes, hot Takes.
(00:20):
Hot Takes, alright, and hismeowing is the Hot Takes episode
.
Hot takes, hot takes, all right.
Annie's meowing is the hottakes episode.
Hot takes, she's not doing itnow, don't make me.
She don't like it.
She's like I'm not your petmonkey.
Yeah, come on, do it.
Come on, you want to do it?
What's up?
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You gave her love and now she'snot going to.
Oh, now she's not gonna.
Oh, no, she's not gonna leaveus alone.
Well, all you had to do was doa cute little creature like dirt
.
She'll stick to you like mud.
Wow, that's a hot take that is.
I heard that from a kid one timeand I'm like you know what?
Are you a relationshiptherapist there's?
I understand what you're saying.
(01:03):
There's a lot there.
I've seen some people that are.
It's not just a.
I think it goes both ways.
But you could definitely createsome kind of stockholm
codependency syndrome based onyeah, I wouldn't go.
I wouldn't go there right away.
I would start with like amotorcycle and cigarettes,
probably what like you're gonnaget a leather jacket.
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Start ripping heaters with amom tattoo on your maybe.
I kind of like that.
Look for you.
Kind of put out the vibes.
Yeah, you definitely have avillage people.
But yeah, like I do moderatelybad things.
Yeah, yeah, all while singing,working at, working at the YMCA,
oh, oh, everybody.
(01:44):
No thanks.
So Hot takes, hot takes.
Bad news in the child household.
Got some doctor news.
Shouldn't say bad news.
I guess it's just news aboutwho, what you are, maybe what
you don't have.
Here's a question Is it news?
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If I don't believe it, no, it'sdisinformation.
Is it disinformation?
It's disinformation.
So I had to the world'sobjective, you can make it
whatever you want.
I had to go see, like a newperson, about whether or not I
can pay attention to things foran extended period of time.
Okay, and apparently anextended period of time is 10
minutes.
Uh, according to the tests thatI took, okay, and turns out I
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can, I can pay attention.
They made it a game.
That's what I don't understand.
So if you ever make a game orsomething competitive with
someone who has ADHD, it's like,okay, I can dominate this for a
few minutes, maybe.
Not everybody, not everyone.
So I don't.
Yeah, I don't have it.
Hey, good news I don't have it.
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Okay, I want a second opinion.
I do.
I, as your co-host, want asecond opinion.
Can I get a good, maybe?
Good, thank you.
Okay, thanks, jocko.
Okay, thanks, jocko.
So kind of everybody's responsewas what's wrong with you?
Then, yeah, it's true, it'sdisappointing, and we did kind
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of talk a little bit about is itan issue that I have or is it
environmentally related?
Like, is my brain really justnot able to focus or is there so
much shit coming at me that Idon't know what to pick up on?
Yeah, I mean, you're justshitty at organizing things.
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So it's probably that I'vegotten better at that.
Good yeah, I hate you with myown good.
I like that at that.
Good yeah, I hit you with myown good.
I like that, okay.
But also, when people saythings about ADD, I'm like, yeah
, I get that.
I got it, I get it.
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I smell what you're stepping in.
I get it, I smell what you'restepping in.
So, essentially, I may havesome symptoms dealing, ranging
from other topics, like what Idon't fucking know.
So we're going to have to gohouse on this.
What's his.
What's his?
Hugh Laurie, lupus Ramis, no,lupus, oh.
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He's going to say Lupus, oh Isalways lupus.
I mean, is that, is that?
Is that that's his go-to?
Who is the?
Who?
Is the csi miami guy?
Um, horatio, who's the actor?
Ratio sands?
I don't know he was.
He always had a punch line atthe end of the red headed guy.
Yeah, the worst looks like youpunched your last ticket, okay,
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I?
I was, I'm ready to punchsomebody.
Okay, not really, I'm prettyhappy.
What else you know, besides nothaving add dhd?
Um, what do you?
What do you?
What else you got I?
Or what don't you have?
I don't.
I guess we have to ask you whatyou don't have, I don't know.
Now I'm like, was I ever reallydepressed?
It was just a construct manthat you put on yourself.
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Yeah, okay.
So when we start talking aboutit like that the dude the Kroll,
is it Kroll guy?
Krohn Krohn, chris Krohn we'retalking about a guy that doesn't
get sick.
He just wakes up and says, no,I'm not getting sick.
I feel like I got a sniffle andI just say I'm not sick.
So we like to make fun of thatguy.
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But now that's essentially whatwe're saying about me is your
finance, bro?
Is like, no, like what, youhave problem paying attention,
just fucking pay attention.
Just tell yourself to payattention.
It's a little David Gogginsy.
Yeah, yeah, which is fair tosome extent, yeah, but I don't.
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I don't think David ever sayslike I don't think he expects
you not to fuck up, it's justabout getting back up and keep
moving forward.
It's he's like I love to fail,I keep moving forward.
It's he's like I love to fail,I keep moving forward, like
here's the thing that guy's justI will myself and whatever I
want to be, with no exceptions.
Yeah, that's a, that's a.
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That's a steeper mountain toget over.
Yeah, in my opinion, yeah, okay, so you had something.
Um, okay, so you had something.
I was like I feel a lot betteron Adderall though I think a lot
of people feel better onAdderall and he's like well,
yeah, take a meth, he's notwrong, it's not wrong, it
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definitely is an endorphin boost.
So I guess my question for you,for him would be so if I'm
lacking in all these endorphins,then what you know, if I'm
getting these hits and it's not,you're not going like I didn't
see you, you're not like wildingout, you're not like hyper,
you're not like.
You're not like that crazy kidin the library, that's like I
gotta cram for the test.
No, so that's what you just arelike, rounded out, and you
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don't display those, create likethose symptoms of somebody
who's addicted, that needs tojust sit there and grind on
something.
Well, when he was talking about, uh, the downsides of because
there's downsides to allmedicines obviously increased
heart attack, it's like I don'tknow if that's true, I made that
stat up, no, but he's like, oh,it's increased rate, uh, heart
rate and trouble sleeping, and Idon't have any fidgety, and you
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know I'm like I've beenfidgeting my whole life.
I don't experience any of that.
So how am I able to focusbetter with and here's the other
thing you give me a task thatI'm super into for 10 minutes
and I'm looking at sanding atable for four hours and trying
not to step away from it so Ican go watch.
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Fundamentally, no Finance, bro,it has to be done.
It has to be done for me to getit out the door, to get my
paycheck, and that's a littlebit into the econ book that
we'll get into as an episode I'mexcited for.
But a lot of the basis of econis rational.
We say rational human being.
A rational human being wouldsay, okay, I need to do this
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task to have money come in sothat I can go do other things I
want to do.
Okay, so that's rational, gotit.
You understand, you know that,but you're still looking at it
Like you have to go build theEiffel tower out of an erector
set to scale the entire size byyourself, and you're like I
don't even know where to start,which is not case.
You're like I just know I needto put my hand on the palm,
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sander right, put it on thetable, turn my headphones on and
go.
Yeah, it's a, it's a randomorbus, and as soon as sorry, as
soon as you start, you're fine.
But the anxiety of starting thatwhat seems to be simple looks
like, feels like jumping off acliff and and since I've been on
meds, I don't feel that way.
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Like I said, I want a secondcoincidence.
Let's get a second opinion andthen we'll just.
I mean, technically, he was mysecond opinion, I already had a
first opinion and the firstthing can be trucks, so that's
an even better idea.
Let's, we've got the twoopinions, we'll go back to the
first one we should get.
We should find two primary careproviders in the area and let's
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get your charts released.
We'll do a little chat withthem here about what they think.
We'll do a panel to see if youdo or don't.
It won't be medically binding.
We won't hold them to adiagnosis.
Nobody's telling me to go offdepression meds, but do they
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work as well as Adderall?
I don't know.
I feel like this episode.
I don't know.
Disclaimer everyone.
We're not telling everyone togo out and take Adderall.
We're just trying to understand.
Yeah, we're telling me to do it.
Yeah, don't.
Actually, everyone should gooff of it because it's really
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hard to get my script every oncein a while.
Listen, this is about me.
Okay, this is not about youguys.
So I don't know, that's uh, soyou're still on your old script.
Then, like, even though the guytold you, no, you're, yeah,
you're listening to the firstguy, or well, that's, yeah, it's
gonna be the end.
We got more irritable.
Yeah, off it, and I'm gonna saythat that's not a withdrawal.
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I'm saying that to you when, ifyou're, if you aren't feeling
passionate about something oryou're not in the thick of like
what you deem a really coolproject or a really exciting
project.
Yeah, you're kind of a kind ofa bump on the log.
I'm, you're one of my, one of mybest friends.
I've known you a long time butyou just, you've always been
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that way, I think, and it's andit's.
You always just seem to have agray haze.
I don't want a friend, I don'twant to call it, I don't want to
call it to just flat out usethe blanket term depression.
It's just, you know what youneed to do and your, your
anxiety and things are caused byyour inability to start tasks.
Okay, so focus on tasks.
So what he was saying was thisuh, this Dr Amen, dr Amen.
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Are we allowed to use realdoctor's names on this?
Eamon, are we allowed to usereal doctor's names on this?
He's a famous doctor, dr Eamon,not Fauci.
That's two episodes in a rowI've used his name.
He's also famous, I know Nowinfamous, maybe I came across
him from, I think, tiktokinitially, but he talks a lot
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about brain scans, but he does alot on ADD and ADHD and
basically what my doctor wastelling, or the guy that I was
seeing was telling me, was thatthere's, clinically, there is
ADD, which is the attentiondisorder, right, and then you
have ADHD which is hyperactive,and then you have a combination
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of the two.
So that's where I fall.
So those, clinically, are thethree I'm in the mid that they
describe.
Amen has like four more, and sothese are symptoms from the
first two possibly that arebrought about by a different
system.
Okay, Okay, so Eastern versusWestern philosophy?
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No more like, uh, say, you're areally anxious person, like you
have high anxiety, right, youdon't have ADD, like that part
of your brain is working fine,but because you are so anxious,
you have an issue with.
Dr Amen Identify seven types ofADHD, seven types.
Yes, so I think it's those threetypes and then four more.
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Okay, I believe, wow.
And so I guess my question isif a medicine addresses those
symptoms and is not havingadverse effects, so say, like so
one of them, I think, comesfrom anxiety.
I think one of them comes froma depression.
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I don't know what the other twoare related to, but if the
symptoms present as like an ADDstyle symptom and then the
medicine for ADD helps with thatsymptom, what's the difference?
I guess that's my question.
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Yeah, you know, I don't.
So there's just a lot of looseends for me there, I think I
don't know.
So this is interesting.
One of them says that one ofthese, the ring of fire ADD,
describes a pattern of overallhigh brain activity leading to
individuals feeling overwhelmedwith thoughts and emotions.
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This type can worsen withstimulant medications alone.
It may relate to allergies,infections or inflammation.
Interesting, but that's not it.
I don't know and see.
I feel very the opposite, likeif wouldn't.
Previously we were trying to doepisodes and I'm trying to
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research.
There's so many things goingthrough my head.
Are you limbic ADD,characterized by core ADD
symptoms, along with moodiness,negativity, low energy, frequent
irritability, feeling ofhopelessness and chronic low
self-esteem?
The deep limbic area of thebrain which controls emotions is
overactive.
Oh, can't say I relate, don'teven know what any of those
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words mean.
Oh, got it on camera.
I was going to oil it.
I was going to do it.
Do you like that?
Sound that one?
Yeah, no, really.
What If I oiled your hinges?
Oh, yeah, you can oil them?
Oh, wow, look at it.
Why didn't we do this 30episodes ago?
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You make a valid point.
Well, now it's kind of ourthing, it is.
It's like it's a little bitlike, uh, it's like Kramer
coming through at Seinfeld.
Yeah, jerry, okay, can you, canyou make a bigger entrance next
time?
Jerry, you're not going tobelieve what happened to me
today, uh, when there's stuff in.
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You're not going to believewhat happened to me today when
they're stuffing rocks in thesnowballs, I don't know.
I mean, these seven are some ofthem, but I don't.
Where's the hyperactive one, Idon't know.
So this goes back to, I mean,god, I can't tell you the year,
but when I was diagnosed withclinical depression, right, and
they're like you probably needto be on some meds, like there's
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, there's definitely somechemical stuff that's happening
because everything situationallyfor you is it's not induced,
right, so it's something that'shappening inside your body.
Break up with you.
Dog didn't die, parents aren'tgoing through a divorce.
No, it's the world's notshitting on you.
I mean, I mean the world'sshitting on you always, yeah,
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because of how I think about it.
But well, that's your problem,yeah, or prerogative, whatever.
So, and did that help?
It's like, yeah, that helped.
Okay, well, what else helps?
Well, like, therapy's helped,you know.
So when, like, amen is talkingabout different ways to set up
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your life so that you canminimize, uh, being symptomatic
about things, yeah, that worksto an extent like going to
therapy, would and has workedfor me.
Would it work as well if Iwasn't on meds?
For me, I don't think so.
I think I need that baseline,right, yeah, where it's like and
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I'm not saying because you candefinitely do meds or different
kinds of meds, and you go to theplace where you're like
Cocktails, I don't feel anythingever.
Oh, I am midline for the restof my life.
I think rob millions had a skiton that.
He was just, he called it thepill, fuck it all.
He's like I just want just,yeah, fuck it all.
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And you, you, I don't, Idefinitely don't want that.
No, um, but it's, that's notfun, it's not fun for anyone.
It regulates things so that,like my serotonin levels are not
just fucking either through thefloor or through the roof.
Peak, you're just, you're likein a north, you're you, you're,
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you're a peak tweaker.
You're looking for normal range.
Right, I want to stay in thenormal range.
A little bit up here, a littlebit down here, yeah, that's fine
, you got highs and lows, stillright.
But the lows to stay in thenormal range A little bit up
here, a little bit down here,yeah, that's fine, you got highs
and lows still right, but thelows aren't through the fucking
floor of hell, right?
So they're.
They're the low of the normalrange, yeah, and like anything
when you they're not the low oflike and Lucifer, what are you
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mopping the floor when you getin those big, wide loops?
Think about how much momentum ismoving.
Ride the snake.
I've done it before and it'slike how do you get off?
Sometimes you're like how do Iget off?
Because you know when you're inthe lows, it's going to be
longer to get back up to thatbaseline than it is just to get
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the quick hit and keep going andthen go right back up.
Have you ever been on the high,though, and been like I can't
come?
Oh, you're on the backside ofit.
You know it's coming.
When's the downfall?
Oh, yeah, I've definitely beenthere.
And you're like, um, when'sthis, when's this coming?
I hate, I hate.
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And you're like everything isgoing so great, I'm getting so
much done, like, everybody's in,I'm in a good mood, everybody's
in good mood, I got thispositivity.
And then you, you just at thatpeak.
You're like I'm about to basejump.
Yep, I did not pack my shoe.
Nope, I'm free base, I'm justgonna smack that slab, yeah, um,
but it's like, I mean, if yourcar gets out of control and it
starts veering harder and harderand harder yeah, you just pull
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the wheel harder Well, it'sharder to pull it back in.
You know, if you kind of have tomake a little dip, you're there
, but it's those wide sweepingturns that are hard to come back
from.
But you got to.
You ride with them, right?
I mean that's how you learn tocontrol.
Yeah, you can't overcor withthem, right?
I mean that's that's how youlearn to control.
Yeah, it's like you can't over,correct?
Yeah, it's your point you got.
You can't over.
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You can't try to pull it backor pull it, for you know, pull
it down but pull it up.
That may only apply to cars.
No, no, I mean, I think you, Ithink you have to ride the down
because you have to see whereyou land and you have to see how
the natural progression back up.
I can see you have to see whereyou land and you have to see
how the natural progression backup.
I can see you tempering the up,you know.
Just saying you know what.
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I don't need to go this higherLike I can.
I'm good right now.
But I don't need to double down, I don't.
I don't need to put it all onblack.
To some extent, I'm the opposite, and it has a bit to do with my
mindset, with like chronicillness where, physically, like
when I would feel good, I'm likeI'm cold trickle, I'm dropping
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the hammer.
No, don't do that, just goingout, I just go, cause I'm like
this is going to be a, it'sgoing to be an adventure we have
.
We're not doing NASCAR, we'redoing a sprint right now and I'm
going to pack as much shit intothis race as I can, because I
know that, because you knowtime's finite, I know that I
know the downhill is coming anduh, yeah, there was tons of
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times you're like I'm notdrinking and then I would talk
to you like two weeks lateryou're like three margaritas
deep at los agaves.
I'm like what happened to knowthat?
You're like, no, I'm good rightnow.
Everything in moderation,including moderation, yeah,
moderation sucks, yeah.
So, uh, walt Whitman said hottakes, yeah, yeah, moderation,
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uh, it's overrated.
It's understanding yourresponsibilities on either side.
It's understanding when to bemoderate.
There are times when I um, I'llgo on vacation and I've had to
like stop myself, like I'veworked really hard to get here.
I'm going to go on vacation andenjoy myself.
And then you go hard vacationand then you come home and then
you feel really guilty about allthe things that you have to go
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do next.
You're like, no, it's okay,those are tasks that are coming,
but you're going to get to them.
You deserve that little bit oftime and it's not like you
forwent everything.
So a little bit of guiltsometimes that you don't need to
feel you got to pull yourselfback from.
You know what I feel?
Like a little bit too right now, like in my life, like, okay,
I'm, do you feel guilty forsomething?
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No, I'm realistic, I'munapologetically Brad, I'm
realistically halfway through mylife.
Apologetically brad, I'm.
I'm realistically halfwaythrough my life and for for so
you're apathetic, for no, I'mthe opposite.
Oh, you're sympathetic.
No, I don't just the opposite,I just was.
Why it's systematic?
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Uh, okay, that's got to go onthe sound pad.
I've just I've had so much andgranted, in the grand scheme of
things, like could be way worse,right, obviously, we've talked
about this.
Always be worse, it always bebetter, right, but in terms of
the things that I have beendrawn and attracted to versus
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the things that my body wantsand allows me to do has.
They've never really coincided.
Yeah, and Jack Daniels in thetrunk, brad was not best for
Brad.
No, no, no, no.
But but also I don't know if Ididn't have that adversity, if I
would really have that drivethat I did have.
And so now I've, I've kind offixed some things and I got some
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things going my way and I justfeel like, yeah, I'm uh, I'm
going to go after some stuff.
You know, um, so I don't know,maybe maybe I'm having like an
anti midlife crisis.
Right now.
You're embracing.
Yeah, I'm not just embracing,I'm like I, I know what I want
and I, I think I, I have knownwhat I've wanted, but you're not
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afraid to go after it.
You're not.
But I always, I always had anexcuse before.
Excuses are easy, man, I wouldit.
And but then you, a lot oftimes they were valid, but
sometimes, even when theyweren't, I was like, yeah, but
it could happen.
You know, a lot of people get alot of.
There's a lot of paralysis inthe what ifs, the analysis.
Yeah, that's an easy one to do.
Um, you gotta look at the.
You know it's the mountain inthe foothill in front of you and
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the footpath, but there's,there still is a reality check
of you.
Know, what can yourealistically do?
Yeah, what is alsorealistically good for you?
Yes, so, but, but peopleunderestimate or, sorry, people
overestimate what they canaccomplish in a day, and people
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underestimate what they can doin a year.
It's true, though If you justdo simple things every day, your
life changes exponentially, andit's it's that I can't, and I
don't think anything.
Unfortunately, time is the bestteacher for that lesson.
You can't instill it withouthard lessons.
You're going to find a unicornsituation to be able to instill
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that wisdom on somebody.
Yeah, at a young age, uh,because we talked about this a
couple episodes.
But the consistency of things, aconsistency of small things, so
, like the consistency of meworking out three times a week.
Three times a week at like amoderate level.
Sometimes, when I'm hung over,not even a moderate level, as
Martin will attest to Like,sometimes it's just me sitting
on the cap machine with noweight, being like you guys are
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doing great, keep it up.
I'm here for moral support.
Can't even do toe touches rightnow, but the change in a year
to just how I feel and the way Ilook and how my body reacts to
things and things that I craveand don't crave, and things like
that.
That's consistency over a yearof doing something three hours a
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week tops max, at a not superhigh level either.
You know, uh makes changes, andI'm 42, you know.
So, oh, do you have way lessthan half your life left?
Technically, I've alreadydoubled what I thought it was
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going to be.
I'm proud of you.
So, um, therapy, the same thing.
You know lots of changes inthat.
So, um, therapy the same thing.
You know.
Lots of changes in that realm,and that's you know.
Initially maybe every two weeks, now basically monthly.
So you're not talking about alot of time invested,
necessarily, especially over ayear.
(25:14):
You're talking what?
Less than 20 hours maybe, buttaking those little bits and
then trying to process thosethrough those on a daily basis
and and really making changes onthat.
So it just those little thingsthat are consistent.
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So, but they're not sexy.
That's what people don't getsocial media likes.
They're not.
Have you read atomic habits?
Yeah, I have not read that.
I shouldn't say I've read it.
I listened to it.
Okay, I was in.
I was in a big, uh, 5am walkkick last summer where I'd just
wake up and I'd go for an hourlong walk before work, which is
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and then I'd throw a podcast ora book on tape.
I like that and it was I'd gofor 60 minutes.
It was awesome Cause it kind ofhelped me collect, cause
sometimes I have a tendency toget to work and then just kind
of dive into something and be alittle chaotic.
And it allowed me to wake upearly and kind of get my
thoughts moving and thenconceptualizing them and getting
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them more direct, cause I havea I have a run in first attitude
at times and sometimes the, thevision or the underlying why
gets lost on people around me,because they're like, well, I
already know why, but I don'tknow how to conceptualize it.
I'm like I just know we need toget there, we need to be doing
this right now, and they're likeI don't see it.
And then, but if I, it's like Ijust know we need to get there,
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we need to be doing this rightnow, and they're like I don't
see it.
And then, but if I, it's likeit's just because my brain works
that way and I've moved fastand I see more objects than
actual concepts sometimes, orfinish line, and the moving fast
isn't necessarily an issue ifyour mind is clear, but if you
wake up and you go right at itand you haven't had time to
process maybe something thatyou're still holding on to,
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maybe not as easy to get throughthat.
So, anyway, I think I'm goingto start that back up when it
gets warmer out.
But yeah, I listened to it, butthat came across something I was
reading the other day,something I was reading the
other day, and, and now I'm kindof to the point where I've
built a few good habits andbroken some bad habits that
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What'd you break?
Um, don't like time, wastingthings.
Hmm, um, toxic productivity,drinking an unnecessary amount
of calories and sugar oh, that'sright, you were a big.
What were you?
Just energy sugar?
Oh, that's right, you were abig.
What were you?
What were your energy drinks?
Oh, you know, um, I gave up notthat I'm religious, but any
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stretch of the mean means.
Uh, jesus, I gave up pop forLent when I was still in
Catholic school Like I said,we're talking fourth or fifth
grade and I just never reallywent back.
Yeah, I mean, I would drink alot of soda when I was that,
before that age and then I justkind of stopped.
I mean I had to go on a heartmonitor in high school because
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of, like surge.
Yeah, I mean you might havewhat we call an imbalance in the
brain because you just seem toreally gravitate towards items
that spike your you know.
What's funny, though, is likeno drug use I have because, do
you know why?
Because alcohol.
Alcohol is a drug.
But yeah, uh, I was, I think,when I was like, when I got into
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like junior, I was always likeadvanced reader.
So when I was in junior high Iwas always like advanced reader.
So when I was in junior high Iwas reading like, uh, like Dean
Coons type books.
Oh, I thought you were readinglike little women.
No, I read little women.
Yeah, I did in first grade.
Fourth grade, that was wild.
I don't understand any of this,but my comprehension level say I
can read it, yeah, um, but butreading things about what did I?
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What are the people that doautopsies?
Coroner?
It wasn't a coroner, it was aInvesting.
Oh, what is the ratio?
Csi Miami no, it wasn't, hedidn't exist.
Yet All competitions nowpathologist, but like on dead
people, stop any, you know?
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Yeah, I don't know, you move it.
But so I'm reading books aboutlike this kind of stuff.
And then she's like, oh, allthese people are, uh, ingesting
the same amount of heroin fromthis, blah, blah, blah.
I don't know.
I was going down a real rabbithole and all I knew was that
heroin was like really addictive, you know, yeah.
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And then as I was olderallegedly as I was older I kind
of realized self-awareness wise,like I could potentially have
an addictive type of personalityto some things.
Um, not to like, you know,getting things done on time.
Definitely not addicted to that, no, but to to some other
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things potentially.
And so I just never did it Anyany of it.
I was like, well, I don't, Idon't want to go through the
scenario of I like it and then I, and then I have to try to get
rid of it.
Then I got to learn how to comeoff of it.
That's why I always said I'mold-fashioned, I like alcohol
and cold turkey is.
Do I understand?
It's probably worse for my bodythan some things.
It's okay, cold turkey's alwaysbeen the way that totally works
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.
Yeah, for you, for me.
At some point my brain justgoes nah, no more, that's nah,
no more.
That's nice when you can closethe door that way and it's not
locked, it's just shut.
I'll, I'll just go outside.
Don't like permanency?
Yeah, permanent permanency andmoderation, permanency,
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moderation and permanency,moderation and no, I don't know.
No, no, no, don't bepermanently moderate.
No, be moderately permanent.
You got to have those standouts.
You know, if you're justmoderate all the time, like it's
like the depression meds oranxiety meds or anything, that
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just makes you one, instead ofthat sign wave that goes up and
down, you're just a flat line.
Yeah, that's not a good thing.
I don't like that.
So, anyways, I'm probably notgoing to stop meds.
Good for you.
Take that first opinion.
I'll take the first opinion.
I don't know.
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It doesn't hurt to get a secondopinion, but I might get a
third one.
I don't see why you wouldn't.
Yeah, I'm going.
Don't see why you wouldn't.
I don't make up my own test.
The child, the child, dddd test.
I'm going back to school.
I'm a BS.
Oh, who is that person on theSimpsons?
The kid that's like I'm amilitia.
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Oh, I never really watched theSimpsons.
I'm a psychiatrist.
That's going to be me.
Maybe.
Maybe that's your Misogi.
That's going to be me.
Yeah, maybe, maybe that's yourMisogi, you're going to go back
and get some doctorate, but notthrough school.
You're just going to do yourown, your own self-taught.
I'm going to do my own research.
Okay, I'm going to get my owndegree.
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I wipe my own ass.
You really think about it?
Institutions just were startedby smart people and then they
started awarding themselvesthings themselves.
It's a self-regulating.
Let's do a regaining system.
Let's do an episode on that.
On education, the beginninguniversities, just mostly
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religious in nature yeah,probably the earliest ones, for
sure, because they were thepeople that could read.
I, not from a europeanstandpoint, but from, uh, yeah,
still, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who were the earliest scribesreligious in western society?
Uh, there's the same moses.
No, did you know god killedmoses?
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Just found that out the otherday.
Oh, did you watch the killedMoses, mm-hmm.
Just found that out the otherday.
Oh, did you watch the TenCommandments on ABC?
No, was that the one where he'slike pry this firearm from my
cold dead hands?
Oh, they did a right.
They did a modern version.
No, wasn't that?
Uh, charlton Heston.
Oh yeah, he was Moses, right,yeah, with a gun in his.
Charlton Heston, oh yeah, hewas Moses right.
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Yeah, with a gun in his hand.
Yes, parting the Red Sea.
Yeah, colt 45.
Yeah, just ready to rock androll on the Red Sea.
That was him.
It was a 45 long Colt rifle.
You know, oh, lever action.
Yeah, I missed the Disneyversion of that movie.
What, what, what?
What Disney version?
Didn't Disney do Moses?
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No, yeah, no, yeah, I thoughtthey did.
He did all that work, though,and then he just died.
Why'd God kill him, the Princeof Egypt, why did he kill him?
I just read this the other dayand I, you know I kind of felt
for him.
He disbeyed god, was seeking tokill moses and exodus.
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Uh, yeah.
Then something strange andtroubling at a lodging place in
the way the lord met moses wasabout to kill him.
Disturbing incident in whichgod was going to kill moses does
not fully explain the text, butwe can piece together an idea
of what occurred.
Here are the clues.
God was seeking to kill Moses.
Zipporah, moses' wife, took aflint knife and circumcised
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their son.
After the operations, zipporahtouched Moses' feet with the
foreskin.
Zipporah called her husband abridegroom of blood, referring
to the circumcision.
At that point, the Lord let himalone.
Oh, is this like they walkedaround the pole the wrong way.
I think so.
Okay, okay, moses committedsome sin against God.
A flint knife Yikes.
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Hopefully that did not infect.
Listen, flint can get prettysharp, not that sharp you don't
think you can cut your dick offwith.
Oh, you can.
Okay, yeah, you can.
But you're saying preciseenough, not very precisely For
circumcision.
Exodus is a weird book, man, I'mnot going to trust it.
Okay, that's probably safe IfI'm going in to have like two
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more feet of my intestineremoved, the choice of weapon is
not flint.
No, I'm going to insist thatthey use flint and they have to
record it so that I know it'strue.
Make sure it's the reallygrainy one.
You can sterilize it all youwant to, that's fine, but you
got to use it.
That's thus spoke me the bookof Brad.
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Yeah, 418.
I don't know why Shannon wasn'tallowed back there.
You know, like when you have ababy and the whoever, whoever's
there gets to cut the umbilicalcord You're talking about for
your why, why, when they werepulling my intestines out,
couldn't they be like hey, youwant to come in here and just
give this a little snip?
It's kind of stringy.
You just gotta really you gottaget those scissors in there.
(35:56):
Do you want to eat it, you wantto save it.
Put it in a pill form, oh god,no, it doesn't have the same
nutrition value, it's not?
It's not a good analogy.
We do some weird shit in theworld.
Hey, I didn't even get to keepthat.
That sucks.
Yeah, they probably sent it offto a lab to test.
Probably true, came back asnegative.
Add it's right here,genetically.
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It's in intestines.
Everybody knows that's where wego.
Yeah, it's all gut related.
Oh, the gut biome.
Yeah, so we were talking aboutPrometheus?
No, we weren't.
Zeus's punishment for him wasthe eagle ate his kidney every
day.
It was a kidney or his liver,was it?
(36:38):
Yeah, and then it would growback every night and the next
day the eagle would come and eatit.
And the reason why is becauseit it your kidney or your liver
affects your emotions, so likeit was just basically like
torturing him emotionally allday long.
I mean, I feel like eating anyof your organs it's probably not
.
Being alive by a bird would bea torture, yeah, yeah, um, I
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can't think of one that would begood at all.
Nothing, even an appendage.
No, nope, you can't think of it, definitely not an organ.
Speaking of what tastes good.
I've been on a um, chicken in abiscuit and, uh, easy, cheese,
cheese whiz, kick lately.
So good man, I just threw up inmy mouth.
Why, if for listeners thathaven't had chicken in a, go to
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the grocery store and pick up abox, wait, oh, those are the
crackers.
The crackers, yeah, those aregood With Cheez Whiz.
No, you don't like Cheez Whiz.
I don't know, come on man, Idon't know what's more American
than fucking Cheez Whiz, cheeseproduct cancer.
We have a lot of that here.
You know, I fucking cheese whiz, let's maybe just go with all
(37:45):
the uh pesticides.
I mean, there's, there's a lotof things washing the eggs.
If I'm gonna, if I'm gonna, ifI'm gonna go down because of
cheese whiz, then I'm gonna godown.
That is.
That is a vice and a luxurythat I'm not giving up.
So, uh, if you say you were asmoker for like 70 years, okay,
(38:06):
and they're like, hey, dylan,you got lung cancer, you're like
, good, now I'm going to twopacks a day.
I think you have to dump around.
We just were talking about theebbs and the flows.
You gotta just ride that waveman.
Yeah, you, just you stop.
So you're like you got a cloggedartery.
What are you eating?
You're like fucking cheese whiz, bro, I'll up my intake to two
(38:26):
cans a day.
Yeah, you got, you got to knockthat off.
And you're like I don't thinkso, I don't know.
The only way through is through, you know.
So when you open my heart up,make sure you squirt a little in
there for me.
Yeah, it'll, uh, I don't know.
Uh, I mean, you could look atit as it's just a bio.
Imagine they it's just biologypick line in there and they pull
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out cheese with coming out ofyour like listen, listen, this
is the way god made me.
Okay, this is the way I'm goingout.
There ain't no other way.
Oh, it's kind of like the gufumovie when he makes the leaning
tower of chisa.
It's not.
It's not a good logic, though.
What doubling down, just sayinglike you know God, god wants me
(39:08):
to have cheese with arteries.
I don't like the idea of givingup the control of your life to
something else, which is I feellike there's a lot of shirking
of responsibility there.
There's come.
I can understand the comfortside of that argument, which is
I feel like there's a lot ofshirking of responsibility there
.
There's come.
I can understand the comfortside of that argument, which is,
well, it gives me comfortknowing somebody's looking over
(39:30):
me, but I don't like the ideathat, well, whatever he wants
from me, I don't, I don't, Idon't like that.
But also like, if he's lookingover you and you're eating Cheez
Whiz every day and then you getheart disease, that's not what
he Does.
He just intend that, and so inthat sense, you really should
double down, because that's whathe wants.
Right, do we have free will?
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And if that's not what he wants, he wasn't really looking over
you.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guessthere are rules against gluttony
.
Are you saying that cheese wasyour gluttonous dude?
Watch me, how's cheese withthis?
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying if somebodysees you on the treadmill,
they're like, oh the dylan, he'sa fucking glutton.
Yeah, I work really hard tohide it.
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Okay, so that's not reallygluttony is, is it?
No, I'm just feeding my muscles, okay, and the fine specimens
that they are, I got to go buy aprotein drink.
Why?
Huh, okay, because I crave itnow.
All right, look out for TerriblyUnoblivious the glutton powder
(40:35):
coming to a store near you CheezWhiz flavored protein powder.
It's just going to be CheezWhiz Protein, whiz flavored
protein powder.
It's just gonna be cheeseprotein.
Oh, we're on to something.
Cheese was in a can.
It's gonna be cheese whizprotein with just fucking
adderall powder, oh god.
And he's just.
And you know what you're gonnado before you eat it and he's
gonna have a white face, you'regonna.
You're gonna do a little whipit right before you're gonna get
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a little bit of that gas out ofthe canister and then you're
just gonna put it on a chickenand a biscuit.
What do we call that?
The triple play?
You're going to call it the Godcomplex.
That's so good.
All right, look out for the Godcomplex at a grocery store near
you.
You're still here.
It's over.
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Go home, go.
On a desolate, frozen tundra, surrounded by mindless,
brain-numbing cold takes, twobros trek through the
nothingness to bring hope to anew generation.
You are about to experienceBrad and Dylan's Hot Takes.
Here we go again.
Hot Takes, hot Takes.
(00:20):
Hot Takes, alright, and hismeowing is the Hot Takes episode
.
Hot takes, hot takes, all right.
Annie's meowing is the hottakes episode.
Hot takes, she's not doing itnow, don't make me.
She don't like it.
She's like I'm not your petmonkey.
Yeah, come on, do it.
Come on, you want to do it?
What's up?
(00:42):
You gave her love and now she'snot going to.
Oh, now she's not gonna.
Oh, no, she's not gonna leaveus alone.
Well, all you had to do was doa cute little creature like dirt
.
She'll stick to you like mud.
Wow, that's a hot take that is.
I heard that from a kid one timeand I'm like you know what?
Are you a relationshiptherapist there's?
I understand what you're saying.
(01:03):
There's a lot there.
I've seen some people that are.
It's not just a.
I think it goes both ways.
But you could definitely createsome kind of stockholm
codependency syndrome based onyeah, I wouldn't go.
I wouldn't go there right away.
I would start with like amotorcycle and cigarettes,
probably what like you're gonnaget a leather jacket.
(01:23):
Start ripping heaters with amom tattoo on your maybe.
I kind of like that.
Look for you.
Kind of put out the vibes.
Yeah, you definitely have avillage people.
But yeah, like I do moderatelybad things.
Yeah, yeah, all while singing,working at, working at the YMCA,
oh, oh, everybody.
(01:44):
No thanks.
So Hot takes, hot takes.
Bad news in the child household.
Got some doctor news.
Shouldn't say bad news.
I guess it's just news aboutwho, what you are, maybe what
you don't have.
Here's a question Is it news?
(02:06):
If I don't believe it, no, it'sdisinformation.
Is it disinformation?
It's disinformation.
So I had to the world'sobjective, you can make it
whatever you want.
I had to go see, like a newperson, about whether or not I
can pay attention to things foran extended period of time.
Okay, and apparently anextended period of time is 10
minutes.
Uh, according to the tests thatI took, okay, and turns out I
(02:30):
can, I can pay attention.
They made it a game.
That's what I don't understand.
So if you ever make a game orsomething competitive with
someone who has ADHD, it's like,okay, I can dominate this for a
few minutes, maybe.
Not everybody, not everyone.
So I don't.
Yeah, I don't have it.
Hey, good news I don't have it.
(02:51):
Okay, I want a second opinion.
I do.
I, as your co-host, want asecond opinion.
Can I get a good, maybe?
Good, thank you.
Okay, thanks, jocko.
Okay, thanks, jocko.
So kind of everybody's responsewas what's wrong with you?
Then, yeah, it's true, it'sdisappointing, and we did kind
(03:18):
of talk a little bit about is itan issue that I have or is it
environmentally related?
Like, is my brain really justnot able to focus or is there so
much shit coming at me that Idon't know what to pick up on?
Yeah, I mean, you're justshitty at organizing things.
(03:39):
So it's probably that I'vegotten better at that.
Good yeah, I hate you with myown good.
I like that at that.
Good yeah, I hit you with myown good.
I like that, okay.
But also, when people saythings about ADD, I'm like, yeah
, I get that.
I got it, I get it.
(04:00):
I smell what you're stepping in.
I get it, I smell what you'restepping in.
So, essentially, I may havesome symptoms dealing, ranging
from other topics, like what Idon't fucking know.
So we're going to have to gohouse on this.
What's his.
What's his?
Hugh Laurie, lupus Ramis, no,lupus, oh.
(04:24):
He's going to say Lupus, oh Isalways lupus.
I mean, is that, is that?
Is that that's his go-to?
Who is the?
Who?
Is the csi miami guy?
Um, horatio, who's the actor?
Ratio sands?
I don't know he was.
He always had a punch line atthe end of the red headed guy.
Yeah, the worst looks like youpunched your last ticket, okay,
(04:48):
I?
I was, I'm ready to punchsomebody.
Okay, not really, I'm prettyhappy.
What else you know, besides nothaving add dhd?
Um, what do you?
What do you?
What else you got I?
Or what don't you have?
I don't.
I guess we have to ask you whatyou don't have, I don't know.
Now I'm like, was I ever reallydepressed?
It was just a construct manthat you put on yourself.
(05:12):
Yeah, okay.
So when we start talking aboutit like that the dude the Kroll,
is it Kroll guy?
Krohn Krohn, chris Krohn we'retalking about a guy that doesn't
get sick.
He just wakes up and says, no,I'm not getting sick.
I feel like I got a sniffle andI just say I'm not sick.
So we like to make fun of thatguy.
(05:33):
But now that's essentially whatwe're saying about me is your
finance, bro?
Is like, no, like what, youhave problem paying attention,
just fucking pay attention.
Just tell yourself to payattention.
It's a little David Gogginsy.
Yeah, yeah, which is fair tosome extent, yeah, but I don't.
(05:54):
I don't think David ever sayslike I don't think he expects
you not to fuck up, it's justabout getting back up and keep
moving forward.
It's he's like I love to fail,I keep moving forward.
It's he's like I love to fail,I keep moving forward, like
here's the thing that guy's justI will myself and whatever I
want to be, with no exceptions.
Yeah, that's a, that's a.
(06:14):
That's a steeper mountain toget over.
Yeah, in my opinion, yeah, okay, so you had something.
Um, okay, so you had something.
I was like I feel a lot betteron Adderall though I think a lot
of people feel better onAdderall and he's like well,
yeah, take a meth, he's notwrong, it's not wrong, it
(06:36):
definitely is an endorphin boost.
So I guess my question for you,for him would be so if I'm
lacking in all these endorphins,then what you know, if I'm
getting these hits and it's not,you're not going like I didn't
see you, you're not like wildingout, you're not like hyper,
you're not like.
You're not like that crazy kidin the library, that's like I
gotta cram for the test.
No, so that's what you just arelike, rounded out, and you
(06:58):
don't display those, create likethose symptoms of somebody
who's addicted, that needs tojust sit there and grind on
something.
Well, when he was talking about, uh, the downsides of because
there's downsides to allmedicines obviously increased
heart attack, it's like I don'tknow if that's true, I made that
stat up, no, but he's like, oh,it's increased rate, uh, heart
rate and trouble sleeping, and Idon't have any fidgety, and you
(07:20):
know I'm like I've beenfidgeting my whole life.
I don't experience any of that.
So how am I able to focusbetter with and here's the other
thing you give me a task thatI'm super into for 10 minutes
and I'm looking at sanding atable for four hours and trying
not to step away from it so Ican go watch.
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Fundamentally, no Finance, bro,it has to be done.
It has to be done for me to getit out the door, to get my
paycheck, and that's a littlebit into the econ book that
we'll get into as an episode I'mexcited for.
But a lot of the basis of econis rational.
We say rational human being.
A rational human being wouldsay, okay, I need to do this
(08:04):
task to have money come in sothat I can go do other things I
want to do.
Okay, so that's rational, gotit.
You understand, you know that,but you're still looking at it
Like you have to go build theEiffel tower out of an erector
set to scale the entire size byyourself, and you're like I
don't even know where to start,which is not case.
You're like I just know I needto put my hand on the palm,
(08:24):
sander right, put it on thetable, turn my headphones on and
go.
Yeah, it's a, it's a randomorbus, and as soon as sorry, as
soon as you start, you're fine.
But the anxiety of starting thatwhat seems to be simple looks
like, feels like jumping off acliff and and since I've been on
meds, I don't feel that way.
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Like I said, I want a secondcoincidence.
Let's get a second opinion andthen we'll just.
I mean, technically, he was mysecond opinion, I already had a
first opinion and the firstthing can be trucks, so that's
an even better idea.
Let's, we've got the twoopinions, we'll go back to the
first one we should get.
We should find two primary careproviders in the area and let's
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get your charts released.
We'll do a little chat withthem here about what they think.
We'll do a panel to see if youdo or don't.
It won't be medically binding.
We won't hold them to adiagnosis.
Nobody's telling me to go offdepression meds, but do they
(09:30):
work as well as Adderall?
I don't know.
I feel like this episode.
I don't know.
Disclaimer everyone.
We're not telling everyone togo out and take Adderall.
We're just trying to understand.
Yeah, we're telling me to do it.
Yeah, don't.
Actually, everyone should gooff of it because it's really
(09:52):
hard to get my script every oncein a while.
Listen, this is about me.
Okay, this is not about youguys.
So I don't know, that's uh, soyou're still on your old script.
Then, like, even though the guytold you, no, you're, yeah,
you're listening to the firstguy, or well, that's, yeah, it's
gonna be the end.
We got more irritable.
Yeah, off it, and I'm gonna saythat that's not a withdrawal.
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I'm saying that to you when, ifyou're, if you aren't feeling
passionate about something oryou're not in the thick of like
what you deem a really coolproject or a really exciting
project.
Yeah, you're kind of a kind ofa bump on the log.
I'm, you're one of my, one of mybest friends.
I've known you a long time butyou just, you've always been
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that way, I think, and it's andit's.
You always just seem to have agray haze.
I don't want a friend, I don'twant to call it, I don't want to
call it to just flat out usethe blanket term depression.
It's just, you know what youneed to do and your, your
anxiety and things are caused byyour inability to start tasks.
Okay, so focus on tasks.
So what he was saying was thisuh, this Dr Amen, dr Amen.
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Are we allowed to use realdoctor's names on this?
Eamon, are we allowed to usereal doctor's names on this?
He's a famous doctor, dr Eamon,not Fauci.
That's two episodes in a rowI've used his name.
He's also famous, I know Nowinfamous, maybe I came across
him from, I think, tiktokinitially, but he talks a lot
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about brain scans, but he does alot on ADD and ADHD and
basically what my doctor wastelling, or the guy that I was
seeing was telling me, was thatthere's, clinically, there is
ADD, which is the attentiondisorder, right, and then you
have ADHD which is hyperactive,and then you have a combination
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of the two.
So that's where I fall.
So those, clinically, are thethree I'm in the mid that they
describe.
Amen has like four more, and sothese are symptoms from the
first two possibly that arebrought about by a different
system.
Okay, Okay, so Eastern versusWestern philosophy?
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No more like, uh, say, you're areally anxious person, like you
have high anxiety, right, youdon't have ADD, like that part
of your brain is working fine,but because you are so anxious,
you have an issue with.
Dr Amen Identify seven types ofADHD, seven types.
Yes, so I think it's those threetypes and then four more.
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Okay, I believe, wow.
And so I guess my question isif a medicine addresses those
symptoms and is not havingadverse effects, so say, like so
one of them, I think, comesfrom anxiety.
I think one of them comes froma depression.
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I don't know what the other twoare related to, but if the
symptoms present as like an ADDstyle symptom and then the
medicine for ADD helps with thatsymptom, what's the difference?
I guess that's my question.
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Yeah, you know, I don't.
So there's just a lot of looseends for me there, I think I
don't know.
So this is interesting.
One of them says that one ofthese, the ring of fire ADD,
describes a pattern of overallhigh brain activity leading to
individuals feeling overwhelmedwith thoughts and emotions.
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This type can worsen withstimulant medications alone.
It may relate to allergies,infections or inflammation.
Interesting, but that's not it.
I don't know and see.
I feel very the opposite, likeif wouldn't.
Previously we were trying to doepisodes and I'm trying to
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research.
There's so many things goingthrough my head.
Are you limbic ADD,characterized by core ADD
symptoms, along with moodiness,negativity, low energy, frequent
irritability, feeling ofhopelessness and chronic low
self-esteem?
The deep limbic area of thebrain which controls emotions is
overactive.
Oh, can't say I relate, don'teven know what any of those
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words mean.
Oh, got it on camera.
I was going to oil it.
I was going to do it.
Do you like that?
Sound that one?
Yeah, no, really.
What If I oiled your hinges?
Oh, yeah, you can oil them?
Oh, wow, look at it.
Why didn't we do this 30episodes ago?
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You make a valid point.
Well, now it's kind of ourthing, it is.
It's like it's a little bitlike, uh, it's like Kramer
coming through at Seinfeld.
Yeah, jerry, okay, can you, canyou make a bigger entrance next
time?
Jerry, you're not going tobelieve what happened to me
today, uh, when there's stuff in.
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You're not going to believewhat happened to me today when
they're stuffing rocks in thesnowballs, I don't know.
I mean, these seven are some ofthem, but I don't.
Where's the hyperactive one, Idon't know.
So this goes back to, I mean,god, I can't tell you the year,
but when I was diagnosed withclinical depression, right, and
they're like you probably needto be on some meds, like there's
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, there's definitely somechemical stuff that's happening
because everything situationallyfor you is it's not induced,
right, so it's something that'shappening inside your body.
Break up with you.
Dog didn't die, parents aren'tgoing through a divorce.
No, it's the world's notshitting on you.
I mean, I mean the world'sshitting on you always, yeah,
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because of how I think about it.
But well, that's your problem,yeah, or prerogative, whatever.
So, and did that help?
It's like, yeah, that helped.
Okay, well, what else helps?
Well, like, therapy's helped,you know.
So when, like, amen is talkingabout different ways to set up
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your life so that you canminimize, uh, being symptomatic
about things, yeah, that worksto an extent like going to
therapy, would and has workedfor me.
Would it work as well if Iwasn't on meds?
For me, I don't think so.
I think I need that baseline,right, yeah, where it's like and
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I'm not saying because you candefinitely do meds or different
kinds of meds, and you go to theplace where you're like
Cocktails, I don't feel anythingever.
Oh, I am midline for the restof my life.
I think rob millions had a skiton that.
He was just, he called it thepill, fuck it all.
He's like I just want just,yeah, fuck it all.
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And you, you, I don't, Idefinitely don't want that.
No, um, but it's, that's notfun, it's not fun for anyone.
It regulates things so that,like my serotonin levels are not
just fucking either through thefloor or through the roof.
Peak, you're just, you're likein a north, you're you, you're,
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you're a peak tweaker.
You're looking for normal range.
Right, I want to stay in thenormal range.
A little bit up here, a littlebit down here, yeah, that's fine
, you got highs and lows, stillright.
But the lows to stay in thenormal range A little bit up
here, a little bit down here,yeah, that's fine, you got highs
and lows still right, but thelows aren't through the fucking
floor of hell, right?
So they're.
They're the low of the normalrange, yeah, and like anything
when you they're not the low oflike and Lucifer, what are you
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mopping the floor when you getin those big, wide loops?
Think about how much momentum ismoving.
Ride the snake.
I've done it before and it'slike how do you get off?
Sometimes you're like how do Iget off?
Because you know when you're inthe lows, it's going to be
longer to get back up to thatbaseline than it is just to get
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the quick hit and keep going andthen go right back up.
Have you ever been on the high,though, and been like I can't
come?
Oh, you're on the backside ofit.
You know it's coming.
When's the downfall?
Oh, yeah, I've definitely beenthere.
And you're like, um, when'sthis, when's this coming?
I hate, I hate.
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And you're like everything isgoing so great, I'm getting so
much done, like, everybody's in,I'm in a good mood, everybody's
in good mood, I got thispositivity.
And then you, you just at thatpeak.
You're like I'm about to basejump.
Yep, I did not pack my shoe.
Nope, I'm free base, I'm justgonna smack that slab, yeah, um,
but it's like, I mean, if yourcar gets out of control and it
starts veering harder and harderand harder yeah, you just pull
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the wheel harder Well, it'sharder to pull it back in.
You know, if you kind of have tomake a little dip, you're there
, but it's those wide sweepingturns that are hard to come back
from.
But you got to.
You ride with them, right?
I mean that's how you learn tocontrol.
Yeah, you can't overcor withthem, right?
I mean that's that's how youlearn to control.
Yeah, it's like you can't over,correct?
Yeah, it's your point you got.
You can't over.
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You can't try to pull it backor pull it, for you know, pull
it down but pull it up.
That may only apply to cars.
No, no, I mean, I think you, Ithink you have to ride the down
because you have to see whereyou land and you have to see how
the natural progression back up.
I can see you have to see whereyou land and you have to see
how the natural progression backup.
I can see you tempering the up,you know.
Just saying you know what.
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I don't need to go this higherLike I can.
I'm good right now.
But I don't need to double down, I don't.
I don't need to put it all onblack.
To some extent, I'm the opposite, and it has a bit to do with my
mindset, with like chronicillness where, physically, like
when I would feel good, I'm likeI'm cold trickle, I'm dropping
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the hammer.
No, don't do that, just goingout, I just go, cause I'm like
this is going to be a, it'sgoing to be an adventure we have
.
We're not doing NASCAR, we'redoing a sprint right now and I'm
going to pack as much shit intothis race as I can, because I
know that, because you knowtime's finite, I know that I
know the downhill is coming anduh, yeah, there was tons of
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times you're like I'm notdrinking and then I would talk
to you like two weeks lateryou're like three margaritas
deep at los agaves.
I'm like what happened to knowthat?
You're like, no, I'm good rightnow.
Everything in moderation,including moderation, yeah,
moderation sucks, yeah.
So, uh, walt Whitman said hottakes, yeah, yeah, moderation,
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uh, it's overrated.
It's understanding yourresponsibilities on either side.
It's understanding when to bemoderate.
There are times when I um, I'llgo on vacation and I've had to
like stop myself, like I'veworked really hard to get here.
I'm going to go on vacation andenjoy myself.
And then you go hard vacationand then you come home and then
you feel really guilty about allthe things that you have to go
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do next.
You're like, no, it's okay,those are tasks that are coming,
but you're going to get to them.
You deserve that little bit oftime and it's not like you
forwent everything.
So a little bit of guiltsometimes that you don't need to
feel you got to pull yourselfback from.
You know what I feel?
Like a little bit too right now, like in my life, like, okay,
I'm, do you feel guilty forsomething?
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No, I'm realistic, I'munapologetically Brad, I'm
realistically halfway through mylife.
Apologetically brad, I'm.
I'm realistically halfwaythrough my life and for for so
you're apathetic, for no, I'mthe opposite.
Oh, you're sympathetic.
No, I don't just the opposite,I just was.
Why it's systematic?
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Uh, okay, that's got to go onthe sound pad.
I've just I've had so much andgranted, in the grand scheme of
things, like could be way worse,right, obviously, we've talked
about this.
Always be worse, it always bebetter, right, but in terms of
the things that I have beendrawn and attracted to versus
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the things that my body wantsand allows me to do has.
They've never really coincided.
Yeah, and Jack Daniels in thetrunk, brad was not best for
Brad.
No, no, no, no.
But but also I don't know if Ididn't have that adversity, if I
would really have that drivethat I did have.
And so now I've, I've kind offixed some things and I got some
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things going my way and I justfeel like, yeah, I'm uh, I'm
going to go after some stuff.
You know, um, so I don't know,maybe maybe I'm having like an
anti midlife crisis.
Right now.
You're embracing.
Yeah, I'm not just embracing,I'm like I, I know what I want
and I, I think I, I have knownwhat I've wanted, but you're not
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afraid to go after it.
You're not.
But I always, I always had anexcuse before.
Excuses are easy, man, I wouldit.
And but then you, a lot oftimes they were valid, but
sometimes, even when theyweren't, I was like, yeah, but
it could happen.
You know, a lot of people get alot of.
There's a lot of paralysis inthe what ifs, the analysis.
Yeah, that's an easy one to do.
Um, you gotta look at the.
You know it's the mountain inthe foothill in front of you and
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the footpath, but there's,there still is a reality check
of you.
Know, what can yourealistically do?
Yeah, what is alsorealistically good for you?
Yes, so, but, but peopleunderestimate or, sorry, people
overestimate what they canaccomplish in a day, and people
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underestimate what they can doin a year.
It's true, though If you justdo simple things every day, your
life changes exponentially, andit's it's that I can't, and I
don't think anything.
Unfortunately, time is the bestteacher for that lesson.
You can't instill it withouthard lessons.
You're going to find a unicornsituation to be able to instill
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that wisdom on somebody.
Yeah, at a young age, uh,because we talked about this a
couple episodes.
But the consistency of things, aconsistency of small things, so
, like the consistency of meworking out three times a week.
Three times a week at like amoderate level.
Sometimes, when I'm hung over,not even a moderate level, as
Martin will attest to Like,sometimes it's just me sitting
on the cap machine with noweight, being like you guys are
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doing great, keep it up.
I'm here for moral support.
Can't even do toe touches rightnow, but the change in a year
to just how I feel and the way Ilook and how my body reacts to
things and things that I craveand don't crave, and things like
that.
That's consistency over a yearof doing something three hours a
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week tops max, at a not superhigh level either.
You know, uh makes changes, andI'm 42, you know.
So, oh, do you have way lessthan half your life left?
Technically, I've alreadydoubled what I thought it was
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going to be.
I'm proud of you.
So, um, therapy, the same thing.
You know lots of changes inthat.
So, um, therapy the same thing.
You know.
Lots of changes in that realm,and that's you know.
Initially maybe every two weeks, now basically monthly.
So you're not talking about alot of time invested,
necessarily, especially over ayear.
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You're talking what?
Less than 20 hours maybe, buttaking those little bits and
then trying to process thosethrough those on a daily basis
and and really making changes onthat.
So it just those little thingsthat are consistent.
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So, but they're not sexy.
That's what people don't getsocial media likes.
They're not.
Have you read atomic habits?
Yeah, I have not read that.
I shouldn't say I've read it.
I listened to it.
Okay, I was in.
I was in a big, uh, 5am walkkick last summer where I'd just
wake up and I'd go for an hourlong walk before work, which is
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and then I'd throw a podcast ora book on tape.
I like that and it was I'd gofor 60 minutes.
It was awesome Cause it kind ofhelped me collect, cause
sometimes I have a tendency toget to work and then just kind
of dive into something and be alittle chaotic.
And it allowed me to wake upearly and kind of get my
thoughts moving and thenconceptualizing them and getting
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them more direct, cause I havea I have a run in first attitude
at times and sometimes the, thevision or the underlying why
gets lost on people around me,because they're like, well, I
already know why, but I don'tknow how to conceptualize it.
I'm like I just know we need toget there, we need to be doing
this right now, and they're likeI don't see it.
And then, but if I, it's like Ijust know we need to get there,
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we need to be doing this rightnow, and they're like I don't
see it.
And then, but if I, it's likeit's just because my brain works
that way and I've moved fastand I see more objects than
actual concepts sometimes, orfinish line, and the moving fast
isn't necessarily an issue ifyour mind is clear, but if you
wake up and you go right at itand you haven't had time to
process maybe something thatyou're still holding on to,
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maybe not as easy to get throughthat.
So, anyway, I think I'm goingto start that back up when it
gets warmer out.
But yeah, I listened to it, butthat came across something I was
reading the other day,something I was reading the
other day, and, and now I'm kindof to the point where I've
built a few good habits andbroken some bad habits that
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What'd you break?
Um, don't like time, wastingthings.
Hmm, um, toxic productivity,drinking an unnecessary amount
of calories and sugar oh, that'sright, you were a big.
What were you?
Just energy sugar?
Oh, that's right, you were abig.
What were you?
What were your energy drinks?
Oh, you know, um, I gave up notthat I'm religious, but any
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stretch of the mean means.
Uh, jesus, I gave up pop forLent when I was still in
Catholic school Like I said,we're talking fourth or fifth
grade and I just never reallywent back.
Yeah, I mean, I would drink alot of soda when I was that,
before that age and then I justkind of stopped.
I mean I had to go on a heartmonitor in high school because
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of, like surge.
Yeah, I mean you might havewhat we call an imbalance in the
brain because you just seem toreally gravitate towards items
that spike your you know.
What's funny, though, is likeno drug use I have because, do
you know why?
Because alcohol.
Alcohol is a drug.
But yeah, uh, I was, I think,when I was like, when I got into
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like junior, I was always likeadvanced reader.
So when I was in junior high Iwas always like advanced reader.
So when I was in junior high Iwas reading like, uh, like Dean
Coons type books.
Oh, I thought you were readinglike little women.
No, I read little women.
Yeah, I did in first grade.
Fourth grade, that was wild.
I don't understand any of this,but my comprehension level say I
can read it, yeah, um, but butreading things about what did I?
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What are the people that doautopsies?
Coroner?
It wasn't a coroner, it was aInvesting.
Oh, what is the ratio?
Csi Miami no, it wasn't, hedidn't exist.
Yet All competitions nowpathologist, but like on dead
people, stop any, you know?
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Yeah, I don't know, you move it.
But so I'm reading books aboutlike this kind of stuff.
And then she's like, oh, allthese people are, uh, ingesting
the same amount of heroin fromthis, blah, blah, blah.
I don't know.
I was going down a real rabbithole and all I knew was that
heroin was like really addictive, you know, yeah.
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And then as I was olderallegedly as I was older I kind
of realized self-awareness wise,like I could potentially have
an addictive type of personalityto some things.
Um, not to like, you know,getting things done on time.
Definitely not addicted to that, no, but to to some other
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things potentially.
And so I just never did it Anyany of it.
I was like, well, I don't, Idon't want to go through the
scenario of I like it and then I, and then I have to try to get
rid of it.
Then I got to learn how to comeoff of it.
That's why I always said I'mold-fashioned, I like alcohol
and cold turkey is.
Do I understand?
It's probably worse for my bodythan some things.
It's okay, cold turkey's alwaysbeen the way that totally works
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.
Yeah, for you, for me.
At some point my brain justgoes nah, no more, that's nah,
no more.
That's nice when you can closethe door that way and it's not
locked, it's just shut.
I'll, I'll just go outside.
Don't like permanency?
Yeah, permanent permanency andmoderation, permanency,
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moderation and permanency,moderation and no, I don't know.
No, no, no, don't bepermanently moderate.
No, be moderately permanent.
You got to have those standouts.
You know, if you're justmoderate all the time, like it's
like the depression meds oranxiety meds or anything, that
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just makes you one, instead ofthat sign wave that goes up and
down, you're just a flat line.
Yeah, that's not a good thing.
I don't like that.
So, anyways, I'm probably notgoing to stop meds.
Good for you.
Take that first opinion.
I'll take the first opinion.
I don't know.
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It doesn't hurt to get a secondopinion, but I might get a
third one.
I don't see why you wouldn't.
Yeah, I'm going.
Don't see why you wouldn't.
I don't make up my own test.
The child, the child, dddd test.
I'm going back to school.
I'm a BS.
Oh, who is that person on theSimpsons?
The kid that's like I'm amilitia.
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Oh, I never really watched theSimpsons.
I'm a psychiatrist.
That's going to be me.
Maybe.
Maybe that's your Misogi.
That's going to be me.
Yeah, maybe, maybe that's yourMisogi, you're going to go back
and get some doctorate, but notthrough school.
You're just going to do yourown, your own self-taught.
I'm going to do my own research.
Okay, I'm going to get my owndegree.
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I wipe my own ass.
You really think about it?
Institutions just were startedby smart people and then they
started awarding themselvesthings themselves.
It's a self-regulating.
Let's do a regaining system.
Let's do an episode on that.
On education, the beginninguniversities, just mostly
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religious in nature yeah,probably the earliest ones, for
sure, because they were thepeople that could read.
I, not from a europeanstandpoint, but from, uh, yeah,
still, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who were the earliest scribesreligious in western society?
Uh, there's the same moses.
No, did you know god killedmoses?
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Just found that out the otherday.
Oh, did you watch the killedMoses, mm-hmm.
Just found that out the otherday.
Oh, did you watch the TenCommandments on ABC?
No, was that the one where he'slike pry this firearm from my
cold dead hands?
Oh, they did a right.
They did a modern version.
No, wasn't that?
Uh, charlton Heston.
Oh yeah, he was Moses, right,yeah, with a gun in his.
Charlton Heston, oh yeah, hewas Moses right.
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Yeah, with a gun in his hand.
Yes, parting the Red Sea.
Yeah, colt 45.
Yeah, just ready to rock androll on the Red Sea.
That was him.
It was a 45 long Colt rifle.
You know, oh, lever action.
Yeah, I missed the Disneyversion of that movie.
What, what, what?
What Disney version?
Didn't Disney do Moses?
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No, yeah, no, yeah, I thoughtthey did.
He did all that work, though,and then he just died.
Why'd God kill him, the Princeof Egypt, why did he kill him?
I just read this the other dayand I, you know I kind of felt
for him.
He disbeyed god, was seeking tokill moses and exodus.
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Uh, yeah.
Then something strange andtroubling at a lodging place in
the way the lord met moses wasabout to kill him.
Disturbing incident in whichgod was going to kill moses does
not fully explain the text, butwe can piece together an idea
of what occurred.
Here are the clues.
God was seeking to kill Moses.
Zipporah, moses' wife, took aflint knife and circumcised
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their son.
After the operations, zipporahtouched Moses' feet with the
foreskin.
Zipporah called her husband abridegroom of blood, referring
to the circumcision.
At that point, the Lord let himalone.
Oh, is this like they walkedaround the pole the wrong way.
I think so.
Okay, okay, moses committedsome sin against God.
A flint knife Yikes.
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Hopefully that did not infect.
Listen, flint can get prettysharp, not that sharp you don't
think you can cut your dick offwith.
Oh, you can.
Okay, yeah, you can.
But you're saying preciseenough, not very precisely For
circumcision.
Exodus is a weird book, man, I'mnot going to trust it.
Okay, that's probably safe IfI'm going in to have like two
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more feet of my intestineremoved, the choice of weapon is
not flint.
No, I'm going to insist thatthey use flint and they have to
record it so that I know it'strue.
Make sure it's the reallygrainy one.
You can sterilize it all youwant to, that's fine, but you
got to use it.
That's thus spoke me the bookof Brad.
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Yeah, 418.
I don't know why Shannon wasn'tallowed back there.
You know, like when you have ababy and the whoever, whoever's
there gets to cut the umbilicalcord You're talking about for
your why, why, when they werepulling my intestines out,
couldn't they be like hey, youwant to come in here and just
give this a little snip?
It's kind of stringy.
You just gotta really you gottaget those scissors in there.
(35:56):
Do you want to eat it, you wantto save it.
Put it in a pill form, oh god,no, it doesn't have the same
nutrition value, it's not?
It's not a good analogy.
We do some weird shit in theworld.
Hey, I didn't even get to keepthat.
That sucks.
Yeah, they probably sent it offto a lab to test.
Probably true, came back asnegative.
Add it's right here,genetically.
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It's in intestines.
Everybody knows that's where wego.
Yeah, it's all gut related.
Oh, the gut biome.
Yeah, so we were talking aboutPrometheus?
No, we weren't.
Zeus's punishment for him wasthe eagle ate his kidney every
day.
It was a kidney or his liver,was it?
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Yeah, and then it would growback every night and the next
day the eagle would come and eatit.
And the reason why is becauseit it your kidney or your liver
affects your emotions, so likeit was just basically like
torturing him emotionally allday long.
I mean, I feel like eating anyof your organs it's probably not
.
Being alive by a bird would bea torture, yeah, yeah, um, I
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can't think of one that would begood at all.
Nothing, even an appendage.
No, nope, you can't think of it, definitely not an organ.
Speaking of what tastes good.
I've been on a um, chicken in abiscuit and, uh, easy, cheese,
cheese whiz, kick lately.
So good man, I just threw up inmy mouth.
Why, if for listeners thathaven't had chicken in a, go to
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the grocery store and pick up abox, wait, oh, those are the
crackers.
The crackers, yeah, those aregood With Cheez Whiz.
No, you don't like Cheez Whiz.
I don't know, come on man, Idon't know what's more American
than fucking Cheez Whiz, cheeseproduct cancer.
We have a lot of that here.
You know, I fucking cheese whiz, let's maybe just go with all
(37:45):
the uh pesticides.
I mean, there's, there's a lotof things washing the eggs.
If I'm gonna, if I'm gonna, ifI'm gonna go down because of
cheese whiz, then I'm gonna godown.
That is.
That is a vice and a luxurythat I'm not giving up.
So, uh, if you say you were asmoker for like 70 years, okay,
(38:06):
and they're like, hey, dylan,you got lung cancer, you're like
, good, now I'm going to twopacks a day.
I think you have to dump around.
We just were talking about theebbs and the flows.
You gotta just ride that waveman.
Yeah, you, just you stop.
So you're like you got a cloggedartery.
What are you eating?
You're like fucking cheese whiz, bro, I'll up my intake to two
(38:26):
cans a day.
Yeah, you got, you got to knockthat off.
And you're like I don't thinkso, I don't know.
The only way through is through, you know.
So when you open my heart up,make sure you squirt a little in
there for me.
Yeah, it'll, uh, I don't know.
Uh, I mean, you could look atit as it's just a bio.
Imagine they it's just biologypick line in there and they pull
(38:48):
out cheese with coming out ofyour like listen, listen, this
is the way god made me.
Okay, this is the way I'm goingout.
There ain't no other way.
Oh, it's kind of like the gufumovie when he makes the leaning
tower of chisa.
It's not.
It's not a good logic, though.
What doubling down, just sayinglike you know God, god wants me
(39:08):
to have cheese with arteries.
I don't like the idea of givingup the control of your life to
something else, which is I feellike there's a lot of shirking
of responsibility there.
There's come.
I can understand the comfortside of that argument, which is
I feel like there's a lot ofshirking of responsibility there
.
There's come.
I can understand the comfortside of that argument, which is,
well, it gives me comfortknowing somebody's looking over
(39:30):
me, but I don't like the ideathat, well, whatever he wants
from me, I don't, I don't, Idon't like that.
But also like, if he's lookingover you and you're eating Cheez
Whiz every day and then you getheart disease, that's not what
he Does.
He just intend that, and so inthat sense, you really should
double down, because that's whathe wants.
Right, do we have free will?
(39:53):
And if that's not what he wants, he wasn't really looking over
you.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guessthere are rules against gluttony
.
Are you saying that cheese wasyour gluttonous dude?
Watch me, how's cheese withthis?
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying if somebodysees you on the treadmill,
they're like, oh the dylan, he'sa fucking glutton.
Yeah, I work really hard tohide it.
(40:15):
Okay, so that's not reallygluttony is, is it?
No, I'm just feeding my muscles, okay, and the fine specimens
that they are, I got to go buy aprotein drink.
Why?
Huh, okay, because I crave itnow.
All right, look out for TerriblyUnoblivious the glutton powder
(40:35):
coming to a store near you CheezWhiz flavored protein powder.
It's just going to be CheezWhiz Protein, whiz flavored
protein powder.
It's just gonna be cheeseprotein.
Oh, we're on to something.
Cheese was in a can.
It's gonna be cheese whizprotein with just fucking
adderall powder, oh god.
And he's just.
And you know what you're gonnado before you eat it and he's
gonna have a white face, you'regonna.
You're gonna do a little whipit right before you're gonna get
(40:57):
a little bit of that gas out ofthe canister and then you're
just gonna put it on a chickenand a biscuit.
What do we call that?
The triple play?
You're going to call it the Godcomplex.
That's so good.
All right, look out for the Godcomplex at a grocery store near
you.
You're still here.
It's over.
(41:17):
Go home, go.
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