Shitty Gear, Stronger You

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Ever notice how the promise of “better gear” turns into a respectable way to procrastinate? We start with light banter and land in a deeper pocket: grief, loneliness, and the quiet work of rebuilding routines when life changes. That flows into a theme we kept circling—how durability and simplicity create momentum. A heavy, pink Schwinn becomes transport and training; old leather boots outlast the trend cycle; a ruck that’s beat to hell still gets you out the door. When your tools are reliable, you stop obsessing over them and finally focus on the doing.

On the field, we break down what actually keeps kids engaged: safety first, games over lectures, and a standard of intensity that reveals the real gaps. Honesty isn’t harsh; it’s a relief. Give a young athlete trust without the asterisk, and watch them rise. We talk psychology of taking the shot—why permission to fail produces courage—and how resilience beats perfection in golf, soccer, and cycling. The greats don’t tighten up under pressure; they keep the same mind on hard days that they have on easy ones. Miss a shot, make the next one. That’s the edge.

We also challenge a popular myth about passion. Instead of forcing a career around something you like in theory, follow your strengths and let passion grow where competence compounds. It’s a pragmatic way to protect your energy while still leaving room for art, sport, and adventure. The through line is clear: don’t let analysis masquerade as progress. Choose tools that last, build habits that travel, and act before the perfect plan arrives.

We close with a question meant to stick: what is lost in giving up? Consider the exact shape of what would disappear if you stopped—skills not yet built, teammates not yet inspired, a steadier version of you not yet earned. Enjoyed the conversation? Follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a review with your answer to that question.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Terribly Unoblivious Podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:03):
Yep.
I said it before, and I'll sayit again.
Life moves pretty fast.
You don't stop and look aroundonce in a while.
You could miss it.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I just pressed it.
Do it.
Do it.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Do it.
Do it.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Do it good.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I was really excited to keep going on.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
No.
I don't like that when thatwhen songs like that pop into
your head in randomconversations in a really
inappropriate place.
Like, no, no, we can't startthat one.
Oh, pop locking and dropping infront of it for everybody's
ears to hear.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I mean, we because we are the most G-rated podcast
out there.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
No, but I mean, I mean when it actually comes up
in conversation.
Oh.
It's it's one of those.
Shannon does it a lot.
I think she actually has someof those neurodivergent things
happening.
It's or is it selfself-preservation?
No, it's just neurodivergent.

(01:13):
Yeah, it's it's something thatcomes up in in conversation, a
phrase, and then she belts intofull squirrel Broadway musical
notes.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
That's when we should get on here, is we should get
squirrel on the old soundboard.
What's that?
Like uh up, that's where thedog is talking and he's like
squirrel.
Yeah.
I took my dog to Home Depottoday.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
How did how did he do?
He yeah, he loves it.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Okay.
Yeah.
What did you guys getaccomplished at Home Depot?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Uh he met two Brown Labs.
Ooh.
Yeah.
They were buds.
I like it.
They're like, what are youdoing here?
I don't know.
I was gonna ask you the samething.
I don't know.
I don't know what we're doing.
We're just we're just lookingat stuff.
I gotta sit all the time.
Sometimes I get treats.
I can't pee on anything.
Rude.
Walk down the mailbox aisle andI was like, what the fuck is

(02:07):
this?
Largest lap dog, largest lapdog in the history of lap dogs.
He is.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
He's a good boy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what's up?
Anything new?
Is this episode or is thisseason like four or five?
No.
You're just gonna I knew youwere gonna fucking do that where
you're just like, oh, what'sgoing on in your life?
Such a cunt.
Nothing new is happening.
Not much, man.
Just a lot of just a lot ofregrow.

(02:35):
No, not grow.
You can't re-grow.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Rebrand?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
I don't know if I want to go as far as rebrand.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Uh I could use a new business logo.
I think.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah.
What would you do?

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I don't know.
I follow this guy on TikTokthat d designs logos.
And uh I'm like, oh, that'scool.
Are you gonna stay with yourGreek Atlas theme still?
No, no, I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
No.
I still I don't think I have myBPC shirt anymore.
I did, dude.
It was the one of the bestever.
Yeah, you do.
It's somewhere up there.
It's like the most comfy, cozy.
That's when American Apparelwas making really good tri
blends.
Did have you seen thedocumentary on it?
I haven't, but I heard that CEOwas psycho wild.

(03:22):
The designers were living inhis house, and yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
How intertwined was American Apparel with CrossFit.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (03:34):
I mean that tri they they popped at the same time.
That Triblend shirt like putthem on.
It wasn't just the shittyGildian, yeah, Gildan, Gildian,
whatever that brand was that youwere like, this thing is
stiffer than my socks after 14.
Yeah.
Um, and maybe maybe it wasn'tlike CrossFit the corporation.
No, but they definitely theyhad very similar life cycle

(03:55):
timing wise, yeah.
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
But definitely a lot of those shirts made it into the
CrossFit era.
Yeah, Triblend was great.
Something.
Yeah, more of like a quattroblend now.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Is that a real thing?

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah.
I like that.
Yeah.
ESPN.
The Ocho.
Audi Quattro blends.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
So yeah.
No.
Um just uh navigating thisthing called life.
Uh couple couple missteps.
I don't know.
Missteps, couple hiccups in thepast few months on a personal
level and trying to figure uhtrying to figure that out.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah.
A lot of text therapy sessionslately.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, sorry about that.
Yeah.
I don't really trust anyoneelse.
Um the brown boys are gonnalisten to this.
They're gonna get really madthat I said that.
Yeah, I don't you can't saywhat?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
Well, it's it's literally like the group name.
What is it?
What, the brown boys?
Yeah.
It's my buddies.
What's brown?
Oh, I see where you're goingwith this.
What?
Nothing.
Like college?

Speaker 1 (05:03):
No, that'd be really cool though.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
None of them are in the league.
None of them.
Okay.
Yeah, I know.
Rude.
Yeah, you know.
Prom, Mike, Alex, Jeff.
Good to good to hear.
Good to come on.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Come on, what?
Come on.
I'm sure one of them's smart.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
They're all really smart.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
They just they got their education from a library.
All of good Will hunting.
I'm trying to think who wouldbe Will in that group.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Uh, I was Will today for Shannon has this pumpkin
blow-up thing for Halloween.
And we put it out front and alittle extension cord from the
garage.
And then that night she's like,this can't be here because it's
setting off the camera all thetime.
I was like, well, you could,you know, just fucking turn the

(06:01):
camera off, but it's not anoption, I guess.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
What camera?
Uh camera outside.
You get don't you have like alike a like a zone system in
there so you can just likecircle that thing and say don't
don't trigger?
I don't have it on my phone.
Uh okay.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah.
I don't fuck with I don't fuckwith you.
So she was gonna move it to thefront door.
And she goes, Do you think Ican just shove this extension
cord under the door from inside?
I was like, Well, the doordoesn't open now as it is with

(06:38):
with no extension cords, so I Idon't think so.
And I just keep hearing thesesounds out there, and then just
like uh fucking so she was youknow how fucking easy this is
for me?
That's what I was thinking inmy head.
Like, what?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Do you know how easy this is for me?
Do you have any fucking ideahow easy this is?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
What was she trying to do?
Just run an extension cord fromsomewhere.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
I really am because I wouldn't have to fuck.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I didn't say it to her though.
I just said, what do you need,honey?
That's you're smart.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Is there anything I can help you with?
You're a smart man.
I never figured that one out.
It's probably why you hear you.
Probably why I'm in thepredicament I'm in.
Well, you gotta you know I don'tknow.
Take small arms fire instead ofmortars.
I guess.
Yeah.
Write that down.
Small arms fire.

(07:37):
New quote.
Not mortars.
Okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
How do you prevent mortars?
Uh well some people would saymove around a lot.
Pivoting?
Or just not I mean, just youknow, don't hang out for too
long.
Triangulation's a real thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
So So just aloof enough so that people can't
pinpoint you?
Yeah.
Does it allow for just reducethe connections?
Mobility, improvisation.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Not as a unit, just as anindividual.
I mean eventually we're all onour own, anyways, right?
Yeah, that was very veryapparent Dubuque today when I

(08:21):
was up there.
Uh it's crazy.
My, you know, my grandpa passedaway a couple months ago, and
my grandma and him were togetherfor 71 years, and I, you know,
right now I'm 34, and it thereare times that I feel incredibly
lonely, you know, just kind ofgetting out of previous
relationship.
But I can't imagine being withsomeone for 71 years and then

(08:41):
all of a sudden you're on yourown and for the rest of your
life.
It's like I you're not you'renot remarrying at, you know, 90.
You're not.
I don't know.
I've heard some stories fromthe I mean that'd be good from
the homes.
Yeah.
The problem is that she's soagainst the homes right now
because there's such a negativeimage.
But if anyone's ever been intoa nursing home recently, you
probably will realize there aresome unbelievable resort

(09:04):
communities out there.
Yeah, there's also some realshitholes.
There's some real shitholes,but I I think my grandma would
be okay.
I think she'd probably be inone of the resort style ones,
and I think it'd be reallypositive for her.
But um it depends on thepeople.
Yeah, I felt bad leaving herthough.
It was like it was like leavingyour dog, it just it felt
wounded puppy-esque.
You could just tell, I mean, wehad a great day, she's super

(09:26):
social.
She hadn't been.
I I just found out it was thefirst time she'd been back to
the Eagles club since my grandpahad passed, so she just didn't
feel right to go without him.
Yeah.
And they commemorated him withum, they named the bar after
him, which we thought was reallycool.
Well, he built it, and thenthey needed a new top for it
because the only thing he didn'tbuild in the bar was the bar

(09:47):
tops, and those started to fail,and so they um they would did
new bar tops and commemoratedthe bar in his honor.
And uh yeah, it was anemotional day, it was cool.
Uh but yeah, now she's sittingat her house by herself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Some people wait 71 years to dothat.

(10:09):
To what?
Just sit at home by themselves.
That's true.
Yeah.
Uh she's needy though.
And I mean that, like, she islike needs constant stimulating,
and my grandpa, I think, uhprovided a lot of entertainment
for her, so it's also very justthe consistency of the of your

(10:32):
norm, you know, that just isn'tgone.
71 years of just being on thego.
And in until my like my grandpawas super mobile at the end,
until he had a stroke and died.
But Jesus.
Yeah, you want to tell thestory or do you want me to?

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, she's like, remember when you left me?
Remembering you left me here,and nobody gave a shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Actually, I did, I gave two shits, but you're with
that person night and day foralmost your entire life, and you
have to your point, all theseroutines, habits, nuances,
iterosyncrecies, and it's justpoof.
I mean, half of you is gone atthat point.
I mean, that's you literallyare become a I mean, the word

(11:19):
couple, you're not really anindividual after a while.
It's a joint, it's a jointventure.
And so you lose.
Yeah.
Which is weird.
There's a lot of weird.
We talk about we talk aboutindividualism, we talk about
relationships, how you stillhave to, you know, it's not
about growing to be someone forsomeone else, it's about
allowing each other to grow howeach other need to grow and

(11:42):
still being accepting of that.
But I feel like there is apoint for like some of these
older style couples where it'slike, well, nope, we're just we
are a we.
We're not there's not an I.
There's not a singular organismhere, there's a we to it.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah.
Uh not all the time.
No.
I think it really depends onthe couple and generation
change.
Yeah.
Two, I think.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think we're seeing a massive shift in relationships
now where it's I mean, at whatpoint are we going to be in
those?
You know, we talk of there'ssleep divorce now, which is an
interesting concept to me, whichI don't disagree with, by the
way.
Some people just don't sleepwell together because somebody's
really a toss your turner orsomebody's hot, and sleep is

(12:34):
such an excuse me.
Jesus, cat.
Sleep isn't such an importantpart of your life.
It's like, well, if I don't getgood sleep, I'm gonna be
grumpy, which is going to hurtthis relationship tomorrow.
So I I noticed you have aMatthew McConaughey book there.
My mom bought that for me, andso it's just in my stack right
now.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
And a quote I saw from him recently was that him
and his wife share a queen bed,yeah, so they can get closer.
Yeah.
And uh he's like, Trust me,it'll save your marriage.
I'm like, Yeah, or it'llfucking ruin it.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah, wherever you're going.
Uh, my buddy uh Jay, aka Kenny,has a great quote, and he said,
Every relationship should berequired to buy a tandem bicycle
because he's a big biker.
Own it.
You have a bike, you know, youhave a tandem.
Yeah.
And he said, You need to ridetogether.
And he said, Wherever yourrelationship's going, you're

(13:29):
gonna get there a lot faster.
If you were destined to end,it'll end faster.
If you were destined to betogether, it'll you'll get there
faster.
And I feel like there's somemerit to that because there's
just that I haven't been on theback fineness, but Shannon's not
loving it.
Yeah, I think that you knowthat's a telltale sign.

(13:49):
I think that's a metaphor forthe rest of the toboggan down a
hill.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
She's like, I don't like this.
I was like, don't fucking lean.
Just just let me do my thing,just pedal.
Yep.
She's like, I don't likestaring at your back.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Like, fucking, I don't always like staring at
yours either, but uh we have acouple friends, a couple, a
couple of couples that ridetandem during Rag Bride.
It's really fun um to watchthem just m muck about together.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
My favorite video I've watched in the last couple
months is was a New Zealandcouple that built a tandem
downhill mountain bike.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Oh, you showed me those.
Those are nuts.
Yeah, yeah, that one.
I don't think I'd like that.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's some real trust and relationship.
I don't think I'd like that.
Because if if we rode thatthing every day just around town
on the road, we would eat shitfor sure.
A hundred percent eventually.
Yeah, these guys are doing shitthat I would not do on a
regular mountain bike.
Uh which is not not a lotbecause I'm not very good, but

(14:56):
you add in double the length andanother person body weight
shifting, leaning.
It's a lot.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
You get, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
So props to them.
They will definitely staytogether until they die.
Or one of them won't build thebike and they'll just run.
I mean, I don't know whatthat's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
I did hear an interesting story about uh a guy
knowing how him and his wifemet, and she was engaged before
they got together, and she is aan elite triathlete, and the guy
she was engaged to get marriedto was an elite triathlete, but
they both didn't make theydidn't qualify for something, or

(15:38):
they both I don't remember whathappened, but basically their
kind of triathlon careers wereover and there and then they
realized that once they weredone, it was like we actually
don't have a lot in common otherthan training for this
triathlon, and so that's how uhthey didn't make it.
I thought you were gonna sayshe was gonna be a quattro
athlete.
Um, I I think that's a goodtheme.
We're gonna be in fours today.

(15:59):
Every message and theme in thisin this podcast is gonna be
fours.
It's easy to count.
One, two, three, four, five.
Oh, six books though.
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, two of them are shit.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, that's true.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I'm not sure about that.
Yeah, I don't know.
You have your book.
What do you got?
You got Zen with you?
What's going on there?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Nothing.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Why?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
I just like carrying it around.
It's like a little stuffy.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Like a was it?
No, Mr.
Mom, my Wobby.
My Whoobie.
My Whoobie.
I think I just like to take amoment to myself.
I think Annie just sneezed allover me.
I think she did.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Um she was fine.
Yeah, I don't know.
I I haven't been reading itlately.
Oh.
Can I I'll do a little uhadvertising.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Uh I probably talked to you about this last
Christmas, because it was thiswas a Christmas gift.
Your Christmas trees are backout?
No.
Okay.
Uh it's a magazine calledMountain Gazette.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
I've seen their ads on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
So it's a biannual magazine, and it's they only do
two a year, really.
Two a year, a winter and asummer edition.
And they're big.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
They're something like 12 by 18.
They bought that.
They bought that, right?
That was an old magazine, andthe guy reached it.
Yeah, it's been around for along time, and then I I don't
know if it was Cohen South or ifthe guy that had owned it for a
long time just did you knowdidn't want to do it anymore.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
But essentially they they sat down and and made like
a napkin deal uh to take it overand buy it.
And I was like, that that justit just seemed like a cool
thing.
Like, oh, there's all these bigstories and you know, little
articles and the photography,and it's super cool.
And it's just so you start infield gazette.

(17:57):
It's just this big field, justyou know, it's a beautiful
thing.
Yeah, you just fucking sitaround.
But I've actually been readingit off and on to Corbin, like
bedtime stories.
Okay, so we'll pick somethingthat's not uh super long, or
we'll break it into chunks.
Or do they have just likestories?
All kinds of shit.

(18:18):
Okay, just like there's sometiny things in the end that are
little one-page articles, andthen there's there's some big
like 20-page uh like in thismost recent one.
This guy went back to uh afamily member that survived
Auschwitz, and what they likerecreated this trek from their

(18:43):
homeland to Auschwitz towhatever.
No shit.
Yeah, I mean, I haven't readthe whole thing, but it's a big
long article.
Um did they escape or was itlike I don't know.
Okay, I haven't okay, I haven'tread it, but so there's all
funny things, serious things.
Uh in one of the first ones,can't remember the guy's name

(19:04):
right now, he started takingphotographs of acorns.
He would make these littleacorn people.
I don't know if you've seenthem on Instagram at all.
But he he would just takeacorns and then start putting
legs and arms and and all thesekind of things on him.
It just kind of started out assomething fun for him to do, and
then he starts taking picturesof them and animals reacting to

(19:24):
them, so he's setting them in innature, and then they're
interacting with animalsessentially, and so just with
with that life-like thing beingnext to a real life thing, it
starts taking on a story typetype deal.
So uh I think his stuff'sactually in a like a big

(19:47):
commercial or two, or something.
I feel like I've seen thatrecently.
So there's all kinds of thingsin it, but it uh I like it, it's
kind of out of the norm becauseit's not video or audio.
And their their tagline isprint ain't dead.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
And I think they actually have a book coming out
uh that they're pre-saling rightnow.
I don't know if it's just thinkthey'll have an audiobook.
Ooh, I don't know.
I don't think so.
And especially it's allmountain related.
So it's skiing or climbing orhiking or backpacking or

(20:29):
mountain biking or anything likethat.
And so the photography thatgoes with it, it's gorgeous.
Yeah, you you don't really getthat in an audiobook.
So it's kind of hard.
Yeah yellow leaves here.
Yeah, and uh because it's thephotography is amazing, and then

(20:50):
you have these giant miniposters basically where they're
just taking up multiple pages.
There's you know, you mighthave eight to ten pages of just
full-size pictures.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
What's the yearly subscription?
Not cheap, but like a hundred,hundred and twenty bucks,
something like that.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Okay, so like sixty dollars in a dish.
Maybe.
Wow, it might not even be thatmuch.
Let's look it up, but uh yeah,for what you get.
Like I said, I've I have twonow, and that's when we're
coming up on a year, and I'mstill kind of reading things now
and then.
Because it's one of those youjust sit around, and then every

(21:29):
once in a while you pick it upand you you read something, and
uh last night when I was readingto him, I had a real nostalgic
moment.
You ever do that?
Like you you have a memory thatjust pops in and you just
think, oh, I used to reallyfucking like that.
And what what was that memory?

(21:50):
So the article was somethingalong the lines of shitty gear
saves lives.
Oh, okay.
I like that.
Actually, that's a good that'sa good, yeah.
I I read it to Corbin and he'slike, hmm?
I was like, that's catchy,isn't it?
Make me think.
Yeah, it makes me want to read.
Okay, so what was the premise?
Uh essentially it had a littlebit to do with just how oh,

(22:17):
what's that that one Instagrampage that you uh sent me?
It's all like 70s, 80s dudeswith mustaches and fucking jean
shorts, and they're just doingbadass shit.
I don't know.
But you know what the page I'mtalking about.
So it kind of starts off withsaying his parents were kind of

(22:37):
outdoor enthusiasts, but notreally any spectacular to
anything.
But they essentially had like abasement closet that had stuff
in it, yep, you know, old shit.
Like I have a room downstairsthat it's just that's the
storage stuff.
But once you buy certainthings, you just kind of keep
that shit.
So like I have all my climbinggear and I have camping gear and
a stove and backpacks and andthings like that.

(23:00):
And if we start doing it again,I probably am not gonna go buy
new shit.
But it kind of leads intothat's where people go.
So for the longest time, youkind of had so let's say early
1900s where everything was superprimitive, yep.
And then you might have hitlike the 60s or 70s, where there

(23:21):
weren't really an advance, butmaybe just manufacturing made
things a little bit moreavailable or or something like
that.
But it was still big heavyleather boots with red laces, uh
giant backpack frames that youknow everything weighed you're
carrying 60, 70, 80 pounds for aweekend.
You just gotta hook up, yeah.

(23:42):
Yeah, just things like that, ora big stove, or it it didn't
really the the adventure waswhat the people were after, not
the shit to to have theadventure.
And I've definitely been downthat road.
It's it's easy to go down thegear road.
Yeah.

(24:02):
In in a lot of things.
So you really like the gear ordo you like doing the shit?
What like do you spend moretime researching and buying and
testing and and doing all ofthis stuff with your gear than
genuinely using what it's for?
Um so and there there's there'sa necessity to some of that to

(24:27):
start out with, obviously.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
But yeah, do you need a 20-degree sleeping bag or a
zero-degree sleeping bag?
Yeah, but it's like in shitwe've talked about before.
Um sometimes the old ways arethe best ways.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
I I I have a true appreciation for like the gr the
people that have thespreadsheets, but the grams, the
ounces, you know, that aretrue.
I did that.
And I have learned that at somepoint it just doesn't.
And it's like, okay, just okay.
It's an extra five pounds.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
I'm gonna do it though.
Yeah, but what's funny is evenif I had the spreadsheet and I
was gonna do a big backpackingtrip, guess what, bitch?
Your legs aren't even gonnafucking handle that.
Because you haven't beentraining, you've been
researching, like you ain'tdoing you ain't been doing shit.
I know it's are you trying tomake this easier or what are we
doing the adventure for?
But to be easier, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Um it this is kind of gonna be a an interesting
story, but it I was at awedding, uh one of the one of
the guys that I was with, thatuh all there was a couple of
guys that got thrown together.
None of us knew each other, butall their wives and girlfriends
were in the wedding, and so weall, you know, we all kind of

(25:41):
got put together, and it was alake wedding.
We had to get kegs down to thedock, and in this area, it was
down in um Arkansas.
Why can't I think of the namenow?
Table Rock.
It was down table rock, andbasically, no, you you don't go
out to like lake level.
There's always where all thedocks are, it's all like a drop,

(26:02):
a face drop, and you've gottrails down to your dock,
basically.
Yeah, and you got we pulledthem down the hill.
We've got the side by sides,and we get them to the top, or
we get to like the the thetrailhead, and then we're like
shit, how are we gonna get thesekegs down there?
And one of the guys we werewith was is actually a Navy
SEAL, and he just throws thething on his back and he's like,

(26:23):
I was just gonna hook it downthere, yeah.
And to and I was laughingbecause I'm like, it's so
simplistic, but yeah, we all canabsolutely handle this, and so
yeah, we just like throw the kegon and go down.
But you know, it's you spend somuch time trying to figure out
the efficient way when you'vejust you just missed the point.
The point is like we gotta getdown this down and set up, but

(26:46):
if we're gonna sit here for ahalf an hour trying to figure
out how to get it down, it couldhave been down already and we
can move on to the next task,and so yeah, it's are there
better ways?
Yeah, but are we gonna repeatthat?
No, so just it's there'scontext, there's context to it.
Now, if you're that guy that'sgonna go spend 180 nights out in
the wilderness, you might itmight be worth it for you

(27:08):
because you're just gonna beatthe shit out of you, you know,
every extra pound is gonna beatthe shit out of you every day.
Yeah, if you're doing but forus that are gonna be like, oh,
we're gonna go out for 20 milesand back, it's like okay, this
doesn't matter.
This really doesn't matter.
It's the people reg ry thatI've seen I see oh yeah
extremely heavy people on tenthousand dollar carbon, all
carbon super light bikes.

(27:29):
Yeah, and yeah, there's someratios that get thrown around
about like one human pound islike 10 bike pounds.
I don't know what I believe,and I haven't done enough
research to even understand theconceptualization of that, but
it's still like, why don't youjust go lose some weight?
Same in the flying community,small general aviation.

(27:49):
Everyone, you know, as I'mbuilding the this this airplane,
people are like, Oh, I can'tbelieve you put that
modification on your plane.
You know, you just lost 20pounds of your useful load.
And the guy's like, Yeah, well,I'm 160 pounds and I don't fly
with anyone, so I don't carebecause I still can't, I still
have full fuel and I still canput my backpack with me in it

(28:10):
and it won't matter.
And he's like, Now, yes, willthis airplane work for somebody
else?
No, who you got full family,you got a full family?
Yeah, I just lost some valuableweight there, but yeah, we kind
of get wrapped up.
I get wrapped up in the tech sohard sometimes where I have to
pull myself back.
It's almost like uh Charlie inuh uh you know when he's going

(28:30):
crazy and uh always sunny inPhiladelphia, he's got the red
line.
Yeah, it's like that.
You're just you know, you'regoing full.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I got Pepe Silva everywhere.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
You know what?
I went and checked.
No Pepe Silva.
No Pepe Silva.
Yeah.
It's so and then it it thatarticle led into just the you
know what, this this pair ofboots that might be heavier than

(28:58):
this new a new waterproof Hokahiking boot.
It's gonna last.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
It's gonna last a long time.
I mean, I wear like the bootsI've worn in here, those are
over five years old.
Still, still kicking it.
The soles have now broken, uh,but I could have them resold,
and I wear those every singleday.
Almost every single day.
Now imagine a pair of hikingboots that you fucking don't

(29:26):
wear every single day, and yeah,that realistically could last
you a lifetime.
If the leather's not gonna wearout, you might have to resole
them once or twice in your life,depending on how many miles you
put on them.
But that's it.
That's all you need.
And I like that aspect of it.
But he kind of ended with he hekind of lost a job and and went

(29:51):
through some relationshipthings and ended up in a kind of
a small little kind of mountaintown, like an outdoorsy town.
Yeah.
And And he didn't have likemoney to fix his car and shit.
And so one of his buddies inthe town had an old like 1950s
Schwin bike.
And it was spray painted pinkand had stickers on it and had a

(30:12):
little coaster braid.
It was heavy.
It weighed uh weighed a lot,and it kind of went in the
direction that you wanted it togo, and it usually wouldn't stop
very well.
And he goes, I I just wrote it.
I rode it everywhere because Ididn't have transportation.
I just fucking rode iteverywhere.
And every everywhere is a hill,essentially, in this place.

(30:33):
So I'm I'm just riding it upand down hills all the time.
And he goes, cut to six monthslater, and people are asking me,
Hey, uh, you've been workingout a lot?
Well, just puffing this fucking50-pound bike everywhere.
And because it's been aroundfor 65 years, and I used it, and

(30:55):
I gave it back to him, and hopeyou know it's gonna go to
another somebody and getsomebody else through sometimes.
And and you know what?
I actually got in really goodshape by using something that
wasn't super high tech.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Uh so now I get the I get the article.
So basically he was justthrough a really tired hard time
in his life and in you knowthis old piece of gear.
Yeah, I just I just did it.
It worked.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Did it work as amazing as everything else?
No, but the benefits of it inthe end out white outweighed
what a bike a new bike should beable to do.
If that makes sense.
The transformation in him wasbigger with a shitty old bike
than it would have been if hewould have had a brand new.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I think this goes back to I well, I guess we could
take it back to Zen if we'reit's it's very relatable.
It's value, you know.
We talked about its values andquality.
What do you define quality as?
And I do I see a lot of thisgear conversation, like you're
saying, as it's no differentthan people wanting cheat codes

(32:06):
for working out and oh, thisbiohack for this, or this hack's
gonna make your life better forthis.
And it at the end of the day,just putting in the work is the
hack.
Like just do the work, it'llit'll all solve itself.
And it will it be on yourtimeline?
Probably not.
And I think that's somethingthat I struggle with on my own,
is I'm a super impatient person,so it's just understanding that

(32:30):
the journey, not thedestination.
The journey is what's gonna thejourney is what's gonna get you
to where you want to be.
It's not the destination is abyproduct of the journey, but it
that that'll come and go.
The journey will always bethere.
And so to this point, do youwant to go?
Are you doing a through hike?
You're doing a through hike.

(32:51):
So do you you want to do it theeasiest way?
And I'm not saying through loadyour backpack up with 50, 60,
70 pounds of bricks, but or canyou just go bricks are uh
bricks?

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Don't do a lot for camping, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I wouldn't recommend it, but just you know, like
okay, you got a couple extrapounds, it's gonna make it a
little harder, but you're gonnabe really satisfied at the end
of it all.
Also, I'm saying don't don'tdon't not go and you know try to
find some gear that's gonnamake your life a little easier,
but don't obsess about it, youknow, to that point, which is

(33:25):
don't let it get in the way ofthe actual thing.
Yeah.
And I think we use it now.
The good stuff should last.
It just should.
Oh, dude, I've got some Nemostuff, like and I as I talk
about this, I've got some Nemostuff out in my garage that will
last me forever.
Good stuff doesn't have to beheavy, it's not the lightest

(33:45):
stuff though.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
But is the super light stuff as durable?

Speaker 1 (33:51):
See, I've I've gone always I've gone for comfort.
So I got like the I've got thefour-ply Nemo, like the really
thick boy uh Nemo inflatablepad, and the wide body cruiser
two.
I got the wide and the thickbecause when I'm I love I love
camping.
I don't like when a root is upmy ass when I'm sleeping.
Yeah, and you know what?
Like I feel so refreshed comingout of my tent every morning,

(34:14):
and I'm willing to carry theextra half a pound or whatever
it is because that's my luxury.
Yeah, that's not every but thensome people like they're like I
know some people carry a handleof vodka.
That's that is a must.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
That is a non-negotiable.
I mean, it does get lighter, itdoes, you know.
I would recommend plasticbottles, not glass.
But it's better, yeah.
That's just me, you know.
But yeah, the the comfort thingtoo is if if you're gonna do
this and you you don't want tobe completely miserable, you you
do actually want to enjoy yourtime.
Yeah.
So the I think there's atrade-off.

(34:51):
Everybody, it everything'sdifferent, but in the sense that
if we go looking for new shinyshit that's gonna be make
everything easier, you kind oflose out on overcoming the
challenge that is had bysomething that is uh maybe not

(35:12):
as fantastic as you want.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I think we also use analysis as an excuse for
procrastination, which it's justa sexy way of saying I'm
procrastinating.
It doesn't it doesn't have thenegative connotations, but it's
I read I read an interestingquote earlier today.
I don't know where I'm passing,but basically it was like you
know, as you get older in life,you know the right decision,

(35:35):
you're just choosing not tobasically you've you got enough
life experience at some point.
Yeah, you don't need toanalyze, you just need to make
moves.
And I think there is some truthto that.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
No, and usually if you're avoiding the move, it's I
would say in some sense comfortrelated.
Yeah.
Maybe not physical, but mentalor psychological, spiritual,
whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah.
I think that's part of that ismy journey in the past few
months, is realizing that evento starting to understand that
you today was not you yesterdayor you the day before, and it's
shedding that previous versionof yourself.
It you're still you, but you'renot you.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Is this the whole like if I blink you don't exist?

Speaker 1 (36:19):
No, okay, no, no, I'm not going down that path.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Can I try it?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Do it.
Fuck.
Still here.
Sorry, man.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Damn it.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
I know.
I do that to a lot of people.
But it, I think, you know, youmake big changes.
You simulation isdisappointing.
You learn, you lose a part ofyourself, you know, a former
version.
You know, you used to do thesethings, you don't do them
anymore.
That was still a fun part ofyour life, but they're not
essential to the next part ofyour life.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
No.
But they do form your life.
They and that's it.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
That's it's an accumulation of things that got
you to where you're at now.
It does.
We'll have to do this.
I miss my routine a little bit,but I'm getting better about it
now.
I think that's probably thebiggest miss in the past few
months is like the routine.
But that's that's more, andagain, it's that's comfort.
Um we like routine.
But then I then I remember thatI don't like routine, and it's

(37:12):
kind of fun actually.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Self-improvement is masturbation.
Now self-destruction.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Capitalization?

Speaker 2 (37:19):
No, that's fight club quote.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I think a young male generation might need to go back
and watch that.
Um what values and licenses dothey need to learn from that?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Stay away from the cornflower blue ties.
Of course.
There is just that sense ofsimplicity.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
So as we sit here, we both have uh a go-ruck version
near us.
I've got three.
Yeah, and so four.
That always that always kind ofbrings me back down to a
center.
Yeah.
And if you're feeling reallyout on the fucking fringes, just

(38:14):
put a bunch of weight on it andput it on your back, and just
walk for as long as you can, andyou will come back different.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
And it's just that simple.
And can other things do that?
Yes.
But this is 13 years oldalready.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
This one.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
We're talking about backpacks right now for anyone
that's rucksacks essentially.
So if anybody's just abackpack, shameless plug for a
go ruck, we don't make any moneyoff.
It's dude, it's the bestbackpack.
I I can't I can't find a betterone.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I I'm sure for very specific things, but I don't
know.
It just works.
It just fucking works.
Yeah.
It's always and it and it canbe you know, I use I use the
bigger one for traveling almostkind of exclusively.
Like that's my suitcase now.
Yeah.
And I carry I went, I didVietnam a month with uh with

(39:12):
their, yeah.
So was it the 42 liter?
Is it something, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
But I that's a week.
I can pack a week in that.
And yeah, it makes you I've gotthe it makes you think about
what you actually want to take.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
You gotta get you gotta get creative.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, it's not you're you can't be excessive with it,
but it'll hold everything youneed and keep it, you know,
relatively sorted, and it canget super fucked up.
Yeah, it's gonna be fine.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I it'll work.
Speaking of that, I went to soI did Vietnam for a month back
when I was oh god, in my early20s.
Seems so long ago.
It was a long time ago.
I know.
Um I did two pairs, two pairsof shorts, six pairs of socks.
No, I had four pairs of socks,four pairs of underwear.
Ooh, I went with two.

(40:07):
I had two t-shirts, two longsleeve, like I brought two PFG,
like long sleeve like fishingshirts, two short sleeve shirts,
one pair of pants.
Were they zip-offs?
They were zip-offs.
Were they?
They were, they were actuallyzip-offs.
So I haven't owned a pair ofthose in a while.
So actually, actually, I thinkI only had one pair of shorts,

(40:29):
one pair of swim trunks, and onepair of zip-offs.
Can't remember.
You know what, you know whatwas but I so I did that for a
month, you know, on themotorcycle, riding to a new town
every day, kind of just ad hocin life.
Yeah, which was again talkabout simple.
I don't think simple's good inthe grand scheme of things
either.

(40:49):
I don't think there's I don'tthink you solve your problems
running away and doing shit likethis.
I was in a good place in mylife, and so it was just a fun
adventure.
Um, but uh I went to I had togo to when I got back, I was
back in town for two or threedays, and then I got back on a
flight to London to go to likeBen's sister's wedding and I
packed for five days.
It's five days, and I had majorsuitcases, and it just was

(41:13):
embarrassing because I went fromhaving a backpack for a month
to oh, we might be doing fancydinner here, or we might be
doing this, or we might be doingthat.
It's different, it's justdifferent.
I know, but it just it wassilly, and in the grand scheme
of things, it's like okay, well,you can wear your suit pants to
the nice dinner without thesuit jacket, and then you can

(41:34):
wear your suit pants again.
And so there's ways.
The problem is, is I'm anextremely messy person, and I'm
kind of like a bull in a chinashop.
So, like the chances of meruining the clothes I'm in at
any given point are very high.
So when I had nice things todo, it's like I I gotta bring
secondary and tertiary options.
Me and Corbin have a saying,yeah, this is why we always wear
work clothes.

(41:55):
I like that saying, actually.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
He he drops everything, yeah.
Literally everything that's inhis hands ever is gonna fall out
of them.
Really?
Just before I came over here, Iwas sitting at the table,
having a snack, drinking a beer,and he we have the lock and
lock containers, so the locks onall four sides.

(42:20):
He goes, Oh, dad, I want somechicken.
And I was like, Oh, I'll heatyou up some chicken.
He sets it right next to mybeer and then proceeds to try to
uh peel these things open, andin doing so, whank just smashes
my beer over.
He gone.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
Dude, he just excited to help out, man.
Why?
He's not thinking, I mean he'sjust why because he's excited,
he's on the sp he's on theneurodivergent spirit.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
And then I and then I look at these kids and you
yeah, these are why laws wereinvented because you would 100%
have industrial accidents.
You can't you can't work hereat 10 or 11 years old.
I mean, that's that's youkilled everybody.
There was a little bit moreresponsibility back then.

(43:11):
They've yeah, they had to.
Oh, yeah.
Here, carry this molten lava.
No, you you're just gonna swingit around like now you make it.
You're gonna do some stupidTikTok dance, you're gonna hit a
guy in the face with it andthen drop it on the floor, it's
gonna roll under your foot, andyou're gonna step on it.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Well, this is you and I've talked about it.
I mean, I'm I'm coaching 11 andunder flag football, and these
kids are wearing eye watches andchecking their checking their
eye watches while we're in themiddle of a play.
What are they checking themfor?
That's what I'm wanting toknow.
I'm like, what are you what areyou looking at?
You can't wear watches.
No, no, you let them wearwatches?
Not anymore.
This was like the first twopractices.
Hey, bitch, check your heartrate.

(43:46):
It's about to go up.
Ready?
Ready for that?
I gotta tell you, I like I so Iam coaching U11, uh uh flag
football.
And I text Brad one night and Isaid, We got a lot of talkers,
we got a lot of kids that don'tpay attention.
You know, you've been coaching.
What's your uh what's youradvice?
He goes, push-ups, can't talkwhen you're out of breath, and

(44:08):
that's been awesome.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah, you just do something until they they can't
breathe properly.
Yeah, they'll shut up.
Yeah, breathing will becomemore important than talking.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah.
It doesn't have felt thatyesterday and yesterday's game.
I was like, uh, I need to justI need to conserve energy at all
costs right now.
Yeah, let's not talk that much.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
It's and we don't I I don't do that.
I'm definitely not a we'regonna run, we're gonna do this,
we're gonna do that.
I I like to find ways to playhard to to get that going.
And if you can do a good job atthat, and I've been talking
about this a lot recently formultiple reasons, but sports are

(44:53):
fun.
Like they're supposed to befun.
When we go out and play them asadults in rec leagues, that's
why we do it because there'sthey're still fucking fun.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
There's good memory, there's nostalgia, there's yeah,
there's a like you wouldn't doit if there wasn't a positive
impact in your life on from anearly age.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
No, so like yeah, you're like, well, yeah, well,
you get some you get some cardioresponse.
I was like, okay, but I couldgo do a whole bunch of things
that would do that.
I'm doing this because it'sfun, it's funner than just going
on a run by myself.
Yep.
There's something else to it,right?
So what is the what is the bigproblem that's happening?

(45:29):
The problem that's happening isthat we as coaches can make
shit not fun.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
So if you can try to figure out how to teach a game
or implement some sort ofconditioning that feels fun
while you're doing it, how doyou balance the fun and the
discipline?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Because part of sports as well is not, you know,
we talk about winning andlosing, and at to an extent, it
shouldn't be about winning andlosing until you're older in
life.
And even and even then, it'syou know.
So I like I like to do a littlething I call lead tasso.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

(46:14):
Not not led.
Not lead.
Uh, but where do you uh wheredo you draw that line and in the
balance where it's like, okay,we're having fun, but we're
starting to lose the discipline?
Because part of sports arelearning that if some you know a
coach is investing in you, agood coach is investing in you,
and you should always ifsomebody's investing in you, you
need to invest back to them,which means when they're

(46:34):
talking, I'm paying attention,I'm kneeling.
So, but so what are yourparameters for you know, every I
mean the kids are kids, they'rerambunctious, you can't control
everything.
No, so how do you what where'syour I have your I have my own
continuum of the you know,where's your continuum?

Speaker 2 (46:52):
I have my own set of parameters, yeah.
And it will change based onwhat sport and what level we're
coaching.
So if I'm if I'm coachingbaseball, it's recreational,
it's little league, it's we'reyou know, we're trying to
develop, but also we don't everpractice, so it's kind of in the
moment coaching styles and andtrying to learn on the fly and

(47:16):
things like that.
So first thing is in baseballis safety.
We have we have hardballs,hardballs and bats, yeah, and
you got little kids and littlecubs.
Oh PS, there's a whole lot oftime to sit around and do
nothing.
So all of those things.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
But did you die?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
See, that's you gotta keep kids from from dying,
yeah.
Essentially, I mean one onekid's practicing a swing, and
three others are like, well,that's what I'm I'm thinking
about.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
I saw more I saw more severe injuries growing up
playing baseball than I did infootball or basketball or any
other sport.
Yeah, it's the hard ball.
And it was it's a hard ball andit's a lack of attention, it's
a lack of attention, but eveneven when all things going
perfect, I was pitching and Ithrew a high and inside curve

(48:08):
ball on a kid, and he hit heswung at it, and it hit two or
three inches above his hands,and that ball went straight into
his face and it cut open hiseyebrow.
He ended up getting like 13stitches in his eyebrow just
because it hit it the exactright way it was spinning, yeah,
and it just shot.
And it's again, he's got thehelmet on.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, he's you know what helped that though?
Like if he didn't swing it thatit probably wasn't a strike.
It was absolutely notdestructive, yeah.
So you just gotta do a betterjob at playing the game.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Yeah, should have been coached better.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, you know, I mean you can't go for that one.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
I think this is pony, yeah.
This has been in pony.
I didn't coach in littleleague.
I didn't I didn't or sorry, Ididn't pitch until I was in
pony.
So my coach was like, You'regonna pitch, and I was like, I
don't want to pitch.
I don't I like I like being outin center field or for I played
first base center field.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
So it it it is all different in soccer.
It is we we have a hard rule,and in my younger son's age
right now, they're they're notthey're not real compliant with
it.
They're not super compliantwith it.
It is we don't shoot on goalwhile the coach is here.

(49:26):
Okay.
If you get here before I'm hereand you're shooting on goal, I
can't do anything about it.
Yep.
If you want to stay afterpractice and I and and your
parents are here and I'mleaving, I can't do anything
about it.
But more people get hit in thehead when kids are you got three
kids playing goalie in a biggoal, and you got six kids

(49:48):
shooting balls all at the sametime and and all this kind of
stuff.
And I it was one time last yearin Phoenix's group that I kind
of lost it at one point.
We had a kid that had a asevere concussion from a game,
and then you have kids that arejust walking around just bombing

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balls at practice, and he's notpracticing because he has a
concussion, but he's there.
I'm like, if if this hits himin the head, he's done.
He's never playing socceragain.
Yeah, he's fucking out ofsports forever.
Like he has a hard timecompleting work and dealing with
lights and shit like that, andyou're out here just kicking a
ball for no fucking reason.

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Yeah, it's not happening.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
They don't understand the consequences, the problem.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
They did that day.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Well, that's good.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
So So basically you're saying you went you went
led Tasso.
Yeah.
Okay.
And so there are some thingslike that, but there's also a
level of if you're not payingattention, we're just gonna you
can run.
Yeah.
And if if it becomes a realteam issue in cohesion, we're

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all gonna suffer together.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
So it's contextual, is what you're telling me.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, it's contextual, but the the biggest
reason that you have thoseissues is because you're not
keeping kids engaged.
And it is hard as a coachbecause there are times where we
have to sit down and like talkabout something, something that
is very specific and technical.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
And there needs to be a little bit of dialogue about
that.
That's hard.
And then sometimes the drillsare hard to gamify.
It just is something that youkind of have to to do on repeat.
Yep.
Um, and I I try to not makethat very often.
So I in the in the last coupleyears, I have tried to I there's

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drills all over the place, andthe drills that work the best
and the kids like the most thegamification are they're they're
gamification, and I wantsomething that focuses on
decision-making ability.
All of the drills include somesort of skills that they're
gonna use during the game, sothey're gonna get repetition and

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get better at it.
But using those skills asthey're making a decision,
especially in soccer, where it'sall I can do whatever the fuck
I want to do.
I can't touch the ball with myhands.
That's it.
Keep the ball in play.
I can do whatever else I wantto do.
I go forward, backwards,sideways, I can fucking kick the
ball straight up the air, I canpass it backwards, I can shoot.
You can't jump and throw theball.

(52:28):
You cannot jump and throw theball.
No, you can't.
That's uh that's a hard andfast rule.
Uh yeah, there's a couple otherones.
But once you're in once you'rein play, it's like it's all
decisions.
It's all decisions.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
So Yeah, that was very relevant to me yesterday
when I was three on one.
I was like, I don't know whichguy I need to go to right now.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Yeah, it's and and there are ways that you can you
can start figuring that out, andthere's statistics and there's
psychology.
And I just watched a video theother day of like a Sunday
league kind of guy, and he getsa ball kind of crossed, and it's
heading towards the goal, andhe's kind of stepping over it,
and the goalie's waiting for himto just punt it across, right?

(53:08):
Yeah, and he just keeps heliterally just walks it in into
the goal without touching itbecause the goalie is so sure
that he's just gonna hit itsideways into the other side
that he just keeps positioninghimself this way, and he just
keeps walking it and nevertouches it, just rolls right
into the goal.
That's awesome, and and peoplewatch that and be like, Oh,

(53:29):
that's really funny.
I'm like, that's a psychologyof this sport that you're so
sure somebody's gonna dosomething, yeah.
And then they never do it.
And it's it's this little chessmatch that you can start having
with people, and that becomesreally fun.
And some of my kids arelearning that right now at 11.
That's cool.

(53:49):
That's gonna be fun to watch.
Yeah, especially defensively,because uh you we've been
working on this a lot, and youcan definitely teach kids
defensively certain things thatwill shut down players that are
much, much better than them.
Maybe not shut them down, butit takes away so many options
that they're used to having thatit'll change the game, right?

(54:11):
And watching them do that, andthen just these kids that are
maybe they're used to beingreally good on the ball, or they
have an amazing kick, orthey're just kind of used to
doing whatever they want to do,and then all of a sudden, we
have two girls that play on ourboys' team, and they are they
shut kids down, dude.
They're animals.
I've watched them twice thisyear, and they're animals.

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One of them is our center mid,the other one plays outside all
the time, sometimes defense, andto watch uh watch her go up
against kids that are literallythree to four times her size
because she's one of them isreally small, and it's just
positioning.
How do I use my body?
How do you know it's it's kindof fun, and then it's it's

(54:55):
almost more fun to watch themget so frustrated.
Like yesterday we played abigger aggressive team, and just
straight out of the gate,you're like, this is not gonna
go well for you guys.
And so the first she was in thefirst 15 minutes, and it was
head to head, like she was justbodying up to these guys that
were-I mean, she's probablymaybe 60 pounds, and some of

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these kids were big boys, yeah.
Some of them probably weighedas much as me, some of the
heavier ones, and and they werethey weren't knocking her over,
they were like they weren'tknocking her off the ball.
And she comes out and I waslike, You're doing great.
This is what I want you to do.
I want you to lean into themmore hard.
They because it just us beingin their presence, they want to

(55:42):
lean on us, they want to extendtheir arms, they want to shove.
I was like, We're strong enoughthat we're holding up against
that.
Go harder, they're gonnareciprocate, and then you're
gonna start drawing fouls.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Because right now we're not, yep.
And bam, just like that.
Drawing fouls, yeah, drawingfouls, like just protecting the
ball, like you can't get theball.
And they're just like shove youin the back.
All right, now we get freekick.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
And then there's a level of frustration.
Yeah, and they start forcingstuff, yeah.
And so we had that at practicethe other day, too.
Um our kids are playing, ourown kids were scrimmaging, and
they're playing hard.
And Corbin started gettingsuper frustrated.
Like, I keep getting shut downby this guy.
It's like, good, yeah, good,figure it out.

(56:27):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta quitdoing what you're doing and
figure something else out.
Because he's you're it's notyou're doing a bad job, he's
doing a good job defending you.
Yep, you need to do a betterjob.
That's how we get better.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
So that's a really hard thing to teach or to
conceptualize with kids of thatage as well, is you're not doing
a bad job.
They're just doing a reallygood job at their job, too.
But teaching to your point ishow you gotta learn to pivot now
because you can't just do theone thing you're really good at.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
You gotta try to figure out another thing, or
just or just trying to getacross that frustration is good.
Right?
Like they don't want, theydon't want to feel that.
They want to feel, ah, I didit.
Yeah, I'm good.
It is it but the frustration isthe growth.
That's that's where you getbetter and learn new things.

(57:16):
Yeah.
And if you can make that moreconsistent, and they get no
one's ever super comfortable inin being frustrated.
No.
But if you can be at least in amindset where you know that
it's going to do some good foryou, you're more likely to stay
there.
It's telling you something.
Yeah, if you can listen to it,yeah.
Like, yeah, I'm not gonna justgive up because uh we have not

(57:40):
on my team, but I mean, you'veseen kids where like Um I'm
gonna go sit down.
I it I'm not gonna do this.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
But two games ago, or the it was hard to watch
because they were just the otherteam, only had seven kids.
I don't know, is it seven?
Yeah, it's seven on seven.
The other team only had sevenkids.
We had a full like 12-man run,and they're like, Oh, they only
have 12, or they only haveseven.
I'm like, Well, hey, we haven'teven started the game yet, we

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don't know anything.
And those seven kids ran sohard for the first 15 minutes of
that game and they racked up ascore on us.
And I looked at the and thenthe ever the the team our team
just shut down because they wereso emotionally distraught.
Yeah, they just didn't want tocome back.
And it's like, guys, we stillhave half this half and then a
full half.
Like, we gotta, we gotta it'sit starts with one play and then

(58:31):
it goes to two plays.
Then it like, but if we can'tstring, if we can't even get one
play, you know, it you you'reyou're already thinking about
the end of the game.
We gotta stop.
We gotta we gotta reset.
Yeah.
And that's that one was themost interesting to me.
That I've never I mean,obviously, in the professional
world, I've seen people shutdown like that, but it that one

(58:51):
hit.
I mean, that one reallyresonated with me of just
watching an entire team going, Idon't think we can do this.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Dude, I've watched so many what people would call
really talented athletes justshut down at the first sign of
frustration.
Yeah, and because they aretalented, a lot of times they're
kind of at the top of theirteam, or maybe somebody that the
team looks up to or justwatches, and you can just watch

(59:20):
a whole team just fold, sink.
Yep.
And we don't have all of thebest players like on our soccer
team right now, but we alsodon't have really a single
player that can get defeated andand just be like, yeah, I'm

(59:42):
done.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Most of them are like that's dangerous about having a
team with a shining star, likeone beacon.
I I love playing those teams.
Yeah, because if you shut downthat beacon to your point,
nobody else knows how to holdthe space to be able to for the
rest of the in.
But if you're a team of likeyou're saying, where you're
like, no, everyone.
Just knows they have a part.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So one person's faltering alittle bit.

(01:00:03):
Well, one person's faltering alittle bit, but the other people
are still showing up for theirpart.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah.
They're not being dragged downby it.
They're not being and that'sand that's where I'm at with
this.
Like, um, we have what do wehave?
Like 14, 15 kids on our team.
We played nines.
And at any given day, rightnow, like our our theme for the

(01:00:29):
year was intensity.
And so my coaching style startsgoing like this.
You show up to practice ingames, and you play with the
highest level of intensity thatyou can for that day.
And we will have a real AARafterwards because you're
putting forth a full effort.

(01:00:49):
It's gonna look, and we talkabout how it looks different on
different days, and everybody'snot gonna show up the same every
single day.
But what do we have?

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Check the box days of the gym and be like, today's
not my day, but I'm here just toget through it.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
Yeah, I'm just gonna struggle through this one, it's
gonna suck, and nothing's gonnabe as good as normal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I'm just checking the box, but um but I'm gonna stay
consistent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
But I'm here, yep.
And I'm I'm putting forth whatmy hundred percent is for the
day.
Yep.
And if if you can do that, youwill consistently raise your
level of intensity.
It goes it goes a long waytowards conditioning and all
other kinds of things.
But it what it really does isit shows weaknesses.
So as a coach, if I have nineplayers on the field and they

(01:01:33):
are all going really hard, butwe get slaughtered because
nobody knew their positions.
Okay, no, we need to work onpositioning.
Yep.
All right, now you're goingreally hard and you're playing
your positions pretty well.
Okay, what's happening?
Yeah, where are our gaps now?
It's easy to see where that is.
And you start working on thosethings, and then you start

(01:01:57):
playing harder teams, and youkeep doing the same thing.
Okay, now we're playing a teamthat is better than us.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, because you remove a variable that way,
right?
You know, you give me your yougive me intensity every time,
and now I I can remove the I canremove that variable from what
needs to be deciphered fromwhat's going on next time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
And every team is different, too.
So there was a game two weeksago that you watched, and it was
a team that we've alreadyplayed like twice.
We beat twice, and those arethe dangerous games.
Because you get complacent.
Yeah, we've already done this.
Kids are like, Yeah, we we canbeat these guys by five goals.
Okay, no.
You need to beat them by let'snot put a number on it, but you

(01:02:36):
know you can beat them by 10.
Yeah.
Here's the caveat.
By the end of the game, youshould be dead.
You should be super tired, youshould feel like it was just a
battle like no other.
It's a grind.
As if you won one to zero,right?
Because that's the level ofeffort that it's gonna take for
you to beat them 10 to 1.

(01:02:57):
It's not just gonna come easy.
Yeah, they're not just gonnaroll over and let you score 10
goals.
Yeah, you need to be able tosee that I still have to play at
this level to beat a team bythis much.
And it's not okay for me toroll back 50% and still win two
to one because that's how youlose games.
And the mentality is I need togo as hard as I can and do the

(01:03:22):
best that I can for as long as Ican, and that's how I keep
getting better.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
And that's why I love coaching.
Because hopefully that mindsetbleeds into things.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
If I can do the best that I can for as long as I can,
hopefully that bleeds intoother things, and they they take
some pride in whatever they doin their lives.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah, you know, I and to it's kind of what I was
talking about earlier, but alsowhat I think you're kind of
getting at too is it's it's thejourney, not the destination.
I think it's something that uhI've had to really kind of
reframe a lot of my thinkingbecause I've probably made a lot
of decisions that have beenbased on well, someday I'll be

(01:04:12):
able to, you know, someday I'llenjoy my happiness, someday I'll
enjoy the things that I'mworking for, someday, but right
now I just need a grind.
And it's or I need to work onthis, and until I'm perfect at
it, it you know, I I can't beproud of where I'm at.
And it's just and I think goingback to it, it's you love the

(01:04:33):
season, you love the you lovethe sport, you love the and it's
you don't just think about theend the last game you played it,
uh you think about all of ittook to get to where you were at
the end, and it's all thememories made along the way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I think about the shifts.
Like I notice the thing, someof the things that I remember
are shifts both in individualsand teams, inflection points,
game-wise, and they're notalways wins, no, um, but they
are points where somebody had abit of a light bulb moment and

(01:05:08):
started doing somethingdifferent, or the team started
doing something different, yeah.
And it's a at this level from9-10 to high school, there's so
many changes that can happen ina sport where you plateau and
then you you figure out a newskill, or you learn a new

(01:05:30):
technique, or there's a newparadigm shift in what you're
positioning and in yourformations and your plays or
whatever it is that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
And as long as that keeps happening.
That's that's the that's thereal kicker, is like it.
So we've been talking about howdo you keep kids engaged and
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
I think something that m makes a good coach is
honesty.
That's it.
Like there's nothing that saysthat you can't be honest with
kids in a sport and suddenlythat makes it not fun.
Kid kids are kind of theultimate bullshit detector,
yeah, also.

(01:06:24):
And yeah, they can siphbullshit better than most
people.
If you and even up into highschool, like especially at high
school, for instance, we playeda game last year with Phoenix's
team.
It was in tournament, I thinkit was the only game that we
lost.
Uh, and they the first halfjust was flat.
Like we just look like shit.
Yep, you know.
And at that time, I'm the headcoach, and Kurt, who he played

(01:06:47):
with yesterday, assistant coach,and I I'm used to being the
assistant coach where I can kindof be like the you know, you
need to pull your head out yourfucking ass right now.
You guys look like shit.
As a head coach, you're like,it's tactical formation.
We need to do this, we need tofocus more on this passing.
We need to work, we need to dothis inside, outside.
And then I, you know, I kind ofgave my little two-minute

(01:07:08):
halftime speech, and theneverybody looks at Kurt.
Kurt's like, that's the worstfucking game I've ever seen you
guys fucking play in my fuckinglife.
And he's not he's not much ofthat kind of talker ever.
And those kids went out andjust they still ended up losing
the game, but they they cameback and they played had a fire
in their belly, yeah.
Way different.

(01:07:29):
I mean, that it was kind oflike the it was too far to come
from behind.
But uh, I'm like, fuck if youguys just play like that all the
time, this this is a cakewalk,you know.
I go, was it really thehalftime speech?
And they're like, Yeah, we s wejust liked how Kurt's that fuck
so many times.
Legit got jacked up, but it wasgreat.

(01:07:50):
Not not just that, but but thethe fact that he was telling the
truth, and one of them said,like, we all knew we were
playing like shit, but and heand he told us that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I mean there's there's a little bit of that
acknowledgement, and until andthere's a little bit of ego
there where we don't if we admitit, that means we're weak.
Yeah, but okay, it's beenaddressed.
We all play like shit.
Yeah, um, so thank you for butit's it's also the pointing out
the elephant.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
You guys played like shit and you don't play like
shit.
Yeah, you're not shit players,yeah.
We but you're doing it rightnow.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
We acknowledged where we were, yeah, but we also
acknowledge that there's talentand that there's there's
capability, so yeah, go show us.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
And so you're not alone, we're here.
There are those kinds of I Ilike those kinds of things too.
Uh, there's a very specificmoment in Phoenix's baseball
when it was like nine or ten andwe were in tournament, and then
we only had one team.
Like we didn't have all-starteams, we didn't have the
numbers that we have now, and sothe team that you had during
regular season, that's who youtook, and then you played all

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these all-star teams.
Okay.
So it tournaments always aboutpitching.
You only have so many pitchers,so we only have one team, so
many kids.
And uh you you go into biggames or big tournaments with
best laid plans, and then thepretty somebody shits on them
and easily say the first punchgets thrown, and then it all

(01:09:10):
goes out the window.
It was funny because I got tohelp this year with Corbin's
tournament, and the coach islike, I got this, and we're
gonna line this guy up, andwe're gonna throw this many
pictures, we're gonna do this.
And I was like, That soundsawesome.
I'm 100% on board.
What happens when it sinks?
Yeah, because it's gonna godown.
Where's the secondary,tertiary?
Yeah, you know, and and that'sthat's the other part I love

(01:09:32):
about coaching, is like yougotta be flexible, you gotta
roll with like these are fucking10-year-olds, bro.
You don't know what kind of daythey're having.
You think a 10-year-old isconsistent?
The only thing Corbin'sconsistent in is fucking
dropping shit, dude.
They they ate crunchy Cheetostoday, they didn't have the
puffs, it's that's just gonnareally fuck with their day.
It's different, but I I linedthis kid up.

(01:09:52):
I was like, okay, if if he canthrow so many pitches, we can
get through this, and then I canuse this guy, and then if we
win this game, I'll have Phoenixfor the next game.
And this kid came out and hejust fucking fell apart
immediately.
Like, not I think it was aninning and a half out of like a
six-inning game.
Oh, yeah, and you have likefour pitchers total.
Yep.
And it was just like, okay, ifwe if we keep down this road,

(01:10:13):
there's no coming back.
And so I went out and I it Ihad I had to put Phoenix in.
I was like, dude, we gotta wegotta try to win this.
And I put him up on the mound.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
I I think there was two outs, only the second
inning.
And I said, I know this is justa game, but I need you to throw
as hard as you can throw, or aslong as you can throw.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Get us the fuck out of this inning.
And then walked away.
And he pitched like four and ahalf of the fucking best innings
I had seen up until I coachedanother kid that was a year
younger than him a couple yearsago, and he was gonna start
pitching for us.
And I said, just remember this.

(01:11:02):
When you're up there, it feelslike a lot.
It pitching is a lot.
It is, you're you're theconductor, you're standing up
above everybody, you're theconducting the game, everybody's
watching you every single time.
It's played off you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
It the the it does not start until you start.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
But I said, remember this is that there are a bunch
of 30 and 40 and 50 and 60 and70-year-old people in the stands
right now watching a12-year-old throw a ball.
Think about how fuckingridiculous that sounds.
And he threw six straightinnings of what I'd seen was the

(01:11:45):
best pitching for for theduration in that, and just super
calm and all the way, and I'mlike, dude, those are that's
what it's about.
Like those moments right there,it's because that hit like
something registered.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
But I think what you did is you instilled trust.
You just yeah, and I and likeyou can go hard, but like don't
have regrets.
This is fucking stupid.
But you didn't, but what youdidn't say, like you didn't you
said uh, you know, it'sbasically like we need you, or
like you're this is we we needyou, yeah.
Like I want you to do a goodjob, but then you didn't end it

(01:12:23):
with don't fuck it up, or youknow, it's all riding on you.
No, what you said is we needyou, and this me giving you this
ball is me trusting you to dothis for us, and they rose to
the occasion, which is supercool.
I think a lot of people getwrong in leadership from
coaching at that age, all theway up through you know, um

(01:12:45):
professionals, you know, in thelighting of their career, is you
give someone a responsibility,but then you have some like
weird asterisk caveat at the endwhere you leave them with some
statement that says, Yeah, I'mgiving you this, but it but but
now I don't trust you to do itright.
Yeah, even though I'm askingyou to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
But don't fuck it up, but don't you're like just that
you're all I was saying was youfuck it up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Nothing hurts, nothing hurts, yeah.
But it's you yeah, instillingtrust, and it's and I do try and
you know what you're notbreaking my trust if it doesn't
happen, by the way, becauseyou've obviously shown me
something to this point, yeah,and it's the position we're in,
so I think that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I think giving giving kids the the ability to be
comfortable in taking chances.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Yeah, you didn't you didn't give them an ultimatum at
the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
No, you're gonna have some some bad visual.
Usually when people back off,it's because they're afraid of
fucking up.
Fuck yeah, you know, so if youtake that fear away from them,
and this is not just for kids,but I've got both but uh but
it's especially in kids.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
I've got very talented engineers that work for
me that are still afraid, likeshould they do all day long,
like really talented at whatthey do, they'll still like if
it's a bigger client, eventhough they do it for smaller
clients all day long, they'll belike, should I do that?
Yeah, why why is it different?
Sure, they pay us a little bitmore money and they're a little
bit more high profile, but it'snot it's not different.

(01:14:16):
Yeah, like well, I just don't,you know, I know they're a
sensitive client, I don't wantto, and you're like, ignore that
noise.
That is nothing like that hasnothing to do with it.
It's doing the job at the endof the day, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
And and ultimately it's just mental, right?
Like, why are championschampions all the time?
Because they have this abilityto play in the same way in a in
a finals championship game thatthey do when they demolish
another team in a regular seasongame.
Yep, they can stay in thatmindset, yeah, and not oh, what

(01:14:50):
if the fuck up?
Well, Tiger Woods.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Tiger Woods will tell, and so that's Tiger Woods'
biggest thing, and so he tellshis son Charlie.
But what what what's the mostimportant shot?
The next one.
So sure, you shanked your fiveiron into the woods.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
That's done and over with.
Now, yeah, move on.
You still want to win?
Now you got to go.
Yeah, sure, you're gonna bogeythat hole, but let's let's just

(01:15:13):
move on from the fact that thishole's over, but you still gotta
get it there.
You still gotta get the ball inthe hole, and then you still
gotta go, you gotta go do thenext hole.
So the next shot is the mostimportant because that's the
what shot that's gonna dictatethe next play.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Was it Sergio Garcia?
He's was he a golfer?

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I remember watching him like when he first came on.
Uh-huh.
And Young Gun.
Young gun and go big or gohome.
And a lot of times it it itended up behind a fucking tree.
Here's a little secret.
I hate Sergio Garcia.
I I don't know.
I mean, I haven't fuckingwatched golf for I don't even
know when he came on the scene.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
I mean, he wasn't too long after Tiger.
Yeah, he's a little youngerthan Tiger.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
But I I just remember early on watching him like get
into some bad shit.
Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna hitthis drive to the fucking moon,
and you're like, or fuckingthree holes over, yep, and then
literally just watch him like,hey, watch me save this shit and
just hit his way out of thosefucking worst situations.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Those are the golfers I hate playing with the most,
by the way, because it's themost frustrating.
Yeah, if you're playing againstthem, and there's there's a
couple professional golfers thatif you play Sevi Balesteros, he
was another Spaniard thatplayed for the European Rider
Cup team that always screwedwith the Americans.
Because to your point, he wouldhit a terrible shot, but he
would scramble, get up and down,and he'd make a par on the

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hole.
Yeah, and when the competitorwould have already cast them
aside, I mean, like, oh, they'reout, they're out of this hole.
No way.
And then the emotional damageyou do that player where it's
like no matter how bad they hitit, they're still in it.
Because even when you when youyou if if the other player can't
recover, you start feeding off,oh, they had a bad drive.
I know I have this hole, so Ineed to stay consistent.

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But if you're like, even ifthey do it right or they do it
wrong, they're still in it withme.
What am I not doing right?
So you start to question whatyou're doing, you start to force
things.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah, because it's not enough.
No, it's not enough.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
I hit my drive perfect, and we ended up equal.
Exactly.
What the fuck is that about?
And that is, and that's what Ithink is so funny when people
don't get off the T and this isjust golf, but it's the same
thing.
It's like, make a mistake, butthen correct it.
And actually, you can go backto being better than you were
before the mistake, and that'swhen the your opponent's gonna
be like, shit, they still fuckup, yeah, and they still make it

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work.
And like, what happened?
And then and then doubt startsto creep in.
It's like, why's if they gettheir shit together?
I'm really screwed.
That means I need to startpressing.
And when you press, you makemistakes, and yeah, there's
something about being able torecover, but it it's okay, it
happened, moving on.
Yeah, it's harder.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
I mean, yeah, it's easy to say here behind a
microphone, but so obviously thethe mentality part of it is
just what I enjoy about it, andthere's a lot of uh problems,
hardships with that aspect ofit, and dealing with kids and
adolescents and and all of thosekind of things.

(01:18:07):
Yeah, and and trying to teachsomething that's skill related
and hard to do and all of thosekind of things.
So but they're usually teamsthat uh seem to not do well are
teams that uh feel threatened.
That they don't have kind ofthe freedom to to do what they

(01:18:34):
want to do in order to makemistakes and and and play how
they want to play.
Yeah, they play tight.
I mean you play tight becauseyou're afraid.
Conservative, conservative,whatever.
And that's not that's not wherefucking greatness happens.
No.
I mean it's it's just uhbasketball's a perfect example,
all the greats.

(01:18:55):
Give me the fucking ball.
Just put it in my hands.
And guess what?
I don't care.
Yeah, I don't care what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
I might make it, I might not.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I'm gonna take it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
But I'm gonna take it.
Yeah.
And guess what?
If I miss it, it's I'm stillgonna want it the next time.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Again.
Yeah.
Fucking every time.
Every time I win it.
And if I miss it, I'm gonna tryto do something to get it back.
And that's just that's just thementality.
So um trying to build that intoyouth.
And then my hope.
I've sent you that pep, thatpep uh TikTok or Instagram,

(01:19:29):
right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
Where he he's he's with um Man City and he got mad
because somebody didn't take ashot on the goal.
And he like grabs the ball, hethrows it on the ground.
He's like, I I cannot stand it.
He's like, I cannot stand it.
You train and you train.
He goes, I you can miss theshot.
You can miss the shot.
I don't, but if you don't try,I cannot.
You train, you train for this.

(01:19:50):
Like take the shot.
Like it is.
Why do we not want the ball?
Why do we not want to take theshot?
And he goes, and it's true,it's and he's telling them, You
guys have permission to fail.
It's okay if you don't make it,but don't not take it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
Yeah, it it reminds me of the a couple of Super
Bowls ago that when TravisKelsey was yelling at the coach,
yeah, when he came off, andeveryone's like, Oh, so
disrespectful, you talk to acoach that way.
And it's I was like, Listen, ayou don't know the relationship
they have, B, a fuckingtop-notch player is gonna want
the fucking ball if he thinks hecan make a difference.

(01:20:24):
Guess what?
And guess what?
They all want to make adifference.
They do.
I mean, and so that's thething.
It's like, no, any high-levelathlete is gonna be like, put it
in my hands, fucking give it tome.
Yeah, I will make somethinghappen.
And it's yeah, that's uh Imean, I obviously soccer is kind

(01:20:46):
of become my number one sport.
It happens, it's just hard.
It's a chess match.
There's so much happening andit's non-stop.
And until you kind ofexperience it in some manner,
and the plane it gives you atotally different level of

(01:21:07):
appreciation for it.
You're like, ah, I'm sprinting,I'm sprinting, I'm sprinting,
I'm sprinting, I'm sprinting,and now I gotta do something
super technical on the ball, andmy feet are like, fuck you, and
your legs are like, I'm full ofacid right now.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Yeah, you too technical, I'm sprinting, and
I'm also trying to think aboutthe next three moves because
I've got to get it to a guy, butthen I've got to go somewhere
else.
And someone's trying to runinto me at full speed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Yeah, it's a chess match, and I need my ankles to
keep playing this game.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
And this is what I talk to people about cycling is
when if you on Netflix, if youwatch the Twitter France
Unchained, yeah, when you findout when you find out the
tactics that they're playing inreal time where they're trying
to bait each other into racing,and it's just positioning and
it's it's okay.
We've got four guys over here,they've got six guys over here,

(01:21:53):
they've got fresher legs, and weknow they're gonna take the
mountain section, but if we canhold on to the back of them, we
can we know we're better down.
And it's just a while they'reriding at 35-40 miles per hour
with their legs, your legs arejust on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Yeah, the lactic acid is the lactic acid in cycling,
is has gotta be unlike anythingelse.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
So the cycling's a lot like tennis, where the top
there are two guys in cyclingright now, and one guy, uh
Teddy, is uh Roosevelt?
No, uh Podiger, Podiger, Idon't remember.
Different the it and there's adifferent oh why can't I think
of the Visma uh guy?

(01:22:37):
He's won the Tour de Francetwice, Teddy's won it a couple
times, but uh the differencebetween those two and everyone
else is crazy.
Are they the fastest sprinters?
No, like they're not gonnathey're not gonna win a sprint,
like they don't have the theydon't have the horsepower to get
like up to like crazy planningspeed.
But if you want to talk aboutwe're gonna go out for 130 miles

(01:22:59):
and I'm just gonna drop youbecause I'm gonna be able to
hold this for so long.
Now, sure, if you're with me atthe end, I'm not gonna be able
to beat you to the finish linebecause you've got you know
you're a sprinter, but by thattime, the sprinter wouldn't have
made it that far because thesprinter doesn't have that
endurance, yeah.
Or going straight up a hillwhere they're just like, we are
gonna hold this, uh, we're gonnahold this wattage, and it is

(01:23:24):
gonna be so uncomfortable, but Ican hang out in this discomfort
for an hour and I don't care.
And it's like you see the painin their eyes, but the
difference, the differencebetween those two guys and the
five guys that are trying to gettheir positions below them is
like we're talking not just likeone or two percent, like tens

(01:23:44):
and twenties of percent better.
And uh tennis is a lot ofsimilar.
There's like 10 people oneither side, women's and men,
that are just phenomenal tennisplayers, and then the difference
between them and the rest ofthe field is just crazy
different.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
And that that is a real testament to like just
minute differences like in thephysiology that can just it and
don't I'm gonna liken this tomountain climbing because the
people that are able to do likethe 8,000 meter bulldoze about
oxygen they legit process oxygendifferently, they do better,

(01:24:17):
they just more efficient.
Their their body, theirbiological makeup is just better
at it.
Now, did they work superfucking hard to get where
they're at?
Yeah, they did, but geneticsand hard genetics play a certain
part into that.
So, like with cycling, I'massuming something has to be
yeah, well, there's a whetherthat's mental or physical or

(01:24:39):
something where it's like youare pushing the level that the
guy three places below you arepushing, but your body just is
fucking better.
Yeah, oh it is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
I mean, there's odds, there's obviously doping rumors
and all that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
So when people want to start arguing about, well,
this isn't this isn't fair tothis, but this isn't fair to
this, and this isn't, andthere's all kinds, you can make
all different kinds ofcategories, and that's why
there's all different levels ofsports and shit like that.
But it's like, yeah, but whenyou get to the very tippy top of
any fucking sport, I got P.
That's the whole deal.
That's the whole deal.

(01:25:12):
I don't want to pause it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
Keep going then.
Diatribe.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Diatribe.
So what you have is the verybest of somebody based on
genetics, upbringing, uh it canbe training, who they trained
with, uh the nutrition availableto them, the place that they're

(01:25:36):
born into.
Like everybody is not dealt thesame cards.
And uh when you get to the verytop of any sport, there's going
to be uh situations that standout.
And all of those requirepushing to a maximum level.

(01:25:57):
But if you have this and thisand this and this in line,
you're gonna end up on the top.
Now, there's probably alsocertain people, cyclists, for
example, that have that geneticcapability and they don't ever
sit on a fucking bicycle.
So they're never gonna reachthat maximum potential.

(01:26:17):
Maybe it's sitting theredormant, but it's but it's not
gonna happen.
Maybe there's people thatprocess oxygen really, really
efficiently, but they live inKansas and they have no interest
in mountain climbing.
So is it a bit of luck?
And this is what I was gonnaget to earlier was just luck

(01:26:38):
favors the prepared.
It it does.
So and and sometimes you'rejust thrown into luck.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Yeah, and it it's to the cycling thing.
There's um one of the one ofthe guys that's at the top.
He's not one of those, youknow, he's not one of the two,
he's not um uh, but he's a top10, top 15 guy.
He was a professional soccerplayer, and then he just had
crazy endurance, and then theygot him on a bike, and he was
like, Oh, okay, yeah, I can dothis.

(01:27:07):
And now he's which theyprobably bike a fair amount,
anyways.
Yeah, but he's like, Oh, okay,I I can be a world-class, I can
be a world-class cyclist.
So sometimes I think we getwrapped up into, and this is a
hard, this is a hard dichotomy.
There's a guy named ScottGalloway, he's professor at uh
NYU.
He's an NYU professor business.

(01:27:28):
Uh used to be a finance guy,but he talks about how sometimes
we put too much emphasis on ourpassions.
And he is like, leverage yourstrengths.
And I guarantee you, you'llfind passion in your strengths
because your strengths typicallyare what can make you money.

(01:27:49):
And he goes, and people getpassionate about money very
quickly, and not saying like youneed to give up your morals,
your values, and other things,but really understand and
iterate through different skillsets, iterate through different
trials and iterate through youknow the experiences you have
and really think about like whatwas I actually good at in any
of those?
And is it something that I canactually kind of double down on?

(01:28:12):
Yeah.
Versus I really like I, youknow, I I've seen this happen
with people where they're like,I love this, but I don't have
any formal training in it.
And I was like, okay.
And I've had my some employeescome to me, like, I really want
to learn this technology.
I'm like, you so you want me toinvest two years into you
learning this while I lose yousomewhere else.
I'm like, not that I don't wantyou to enjoy that, but uh

(01:28:34):
you're gonna still have to keepdoing this because you're really
good at this too.
And you're gonna have to investsome of your own time in that
if you want to start learningthat technology, but it you
can't you gotta you gotta kindof understand where you're at in
life sometimes, too.
And like I if you if it's notnatural to you, understand that
you can do it as a hobby, but asa profession, it's maybe not

(01:28:55):
the best thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
True, yeah.
Or if you're really good atsomething, monetize it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
I eh.
But have hobbies.
I mean, Andre, I mean, Andre Ididn't realize this, but Andre I
guess he did not like tennis atall.
He was a photographer, he hatedtennis.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
No, he was just a spokesperson for canon.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Art was my real passion.
Yeah, but he just was like goodat it, and so yeah, sure, I'd
do it.
How about ending with uh thisquestion?
Yeah, let's do it.
I'm not gonna expand on this.
Okay, but I did in thiswriting.

(01:29:35):
But this is the this is thequestion.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
What is lost in giving up?
Are we just gonna leave theaudience with this?
What is lost in giving up?

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Think about something in your life going on right
now.
And if you gave up on it, whatis lost?

Speaker 1 (01:29:57):
I like it.
Alright.
So Answers answers coming soonfor nobody other than you and
your your thoughts.
Not you, the the audience, you,the collective you, not the
collective we, meaning Brad andI.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Yeah, not the wee we.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
All right, we're going to Paris.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Good to be back.

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
You're still here.
It's over.
Go home.
Go.