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Have you ever felt that heavy blanket of anxiety or depression weighing on your chest, making even breathing feel like a monumental task? This deeply personal episode takes you into the heart of what it means to struggle with self-worth and discover healthier pathways forward.

Brad and Dylan share candid reflections on their mental health journeys, highlighting that breakthrough moment when you finally find a better approach to life but feel frustrated about all the time spent doing things the "wrong way." They explore how underlying many of our struggles is a fundamental question of self-worth—not whether we need to grow, but whether we can value ourselves exactly as we are right now.

The conversation weaves through several powerful themes that will resonate with anyone navigating their own mental health landscape. They discuss Mark Cuban's Cost Plus Drugs initiative and how it's dramatically reducing medication costs for countless Americans. They examine our cultural difficulty with saying "no" without lengthy explanations, revealing how boundary-setting connects directly to our sense of worth. And they challenge listeners to reconsider how they value their time, perhaps our most finite resource.

Throughout, there's a refreshing honesty about parenting, coaching, and the importance of allowing controlled hardships in our lives. Rather than shielding ourselves or our children from every discomfort, they suggest that appropriate challenges help develop resilience and realism about our place in the world.

This episode serves as a gentle reminder that you deserve the basic elements of self-care—clean clothes, healthy food, and physical wellbeing—not because you've earned them through productivity, but because of your inherent value as a human being. Take a moment to listen and reflect on where you might be undervaluing yourself and how small shifts in perspective could lead to profound changes in your life.

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Brad (00:00):
on a desolate frozen tundra surrounded by mindless
brain-numbing cold takes, twobros trek through the
nothingness to bring hope to anew generation.
You are about to experiencebrad and dylan's hot takes here
we go again again all right, popthe bottle okay ready?

(00:22):
Yep, I have arthritic hands.
Point the mic at it.
It's not directional, okay,right I?

Dylan (00:29):
don't know.
Oh, hear that that's we're on apirate ship.
We're on a pirate ship.
It's not rum, though.
It's bourbon, doesn't matter.
Oh, when it was the last timewe podcasted it's a barrel.

Brad (00:45):
That's a light pour.

Dylan (00:46):
That was a very light pour, for, oh, I'm a light guy,
you are a featherweight?
Not really.
No, you're more.
What would you?

Brad (00:56):
I have dropped weight.

Dylan (00:57):
Yeah, yeah, why.
Why do you think you're lessstressed?

Brad (01:04):
Am I less stressed?
Yeah, I'm.
Why do you think you're lessstressed?
Am I less stressed?
Yeah, I'm.
I'm less stressed maybe.
Maybe not at all, uh why, Idon't know.
I'm active.
I process foods kind ofproperly now yeah, how is your?

Dylan (01:23):
how is your gi?
It's mostly good, mostly good.
Yeah, any I mean, I don't havewe ever talked about your gi
issues on the podcast yeah, alot, yeah, I mean, you know,
what I do worry about relapsenot well, now, I do not till no

(01:44):
not till now, okay, okay, butwhat, uh?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
apocalyptic times, you know and everyone's like oh,
what if we run out of energy?

Brad (01:54):
What if we run out of gasoline?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Oh, it's your milk supply, it's not going to be
your problem.

Brad (01:58):
Yeah, but my problem is if I don't get my pills, oh, I'm
just going to die shittingmyself.

Dylan (02:04):
Yeah.

Brad (02:05):
So that's fun.
That's something to lookforward to.

Dylan (02:08):
So how much of the surgery fixed you versus the
medications you're on now?
The medications are supposed tokeep it at bay.
Okay, so it's going to helpreduce future strictures.

Brad (02:22):
It's supposed to help, uh, keep inflammation from
happening, essentially, so it'stylenol for your gut.
Yeah, really expensive tylenol,yeah, although less expensive
now because mark cuban has apharmacy yeah, yeah, yeah, and
so everything every some coolstuff.

(02:43):
Everybody has switched to thatlike all at once yeah, I had a
couple.

Dylan (02:47):
I was in one of my um, I was in one of my co-workers
offices the other day and he'slike, oh, I've switched
everything to the mark cubanpharmacy.
He's like it's amazing becausehe has a it might be a thyroid
medication or something and um.
I didn't even know it's, it'sdoing this five percent of the
original cost.
Yeah, you know it's crazy, yeah.

Brad (03:06):
Yeah, and it's so wild because I'm in the, like the
medication groups, mm-hmm, it'sa cost plus drugs, correct Is
that?
Yeah, yep, mark Cuban cost plus.

Dylan (03:18):
I like that he put his name in there.

Brad (03:20):
Yeah, I kind of enjoy that , yeah, but what it varies from,
like, say, the shot that I do,I've seen anything from like 12
to upwards of 40 000, okay, pershot.

(03:41):
What's your shot?
That's the medication, what'sit called?
Uh, stelaro is what I was on.
Oh, okay, now it's like I'm just, I'm in the gastrointestinal
section so I didn't even knowthey had generics for all of
these things, and they have notjust one, but a lot of them, and
a couple months ago, apparentlyall, all the insurance

(04:03):
companies either found out aboutthis or were all switching to
it at the same time, becauseeverybody in the groups are like
, well, I'm not on this anymore,I'm going to Old Toffee.

Dylan (04:13):
Bio-syndrome.
Yeah, that's what I'm onactually.

Brad (04:15):
But there's a bunch of different ones.

Dylan (04:17):
It doesn't give me a price on here.

Brad (04:19):
But it was Prescription required.
Thank you, yeah, it was 10% orless.
That's awesome Of what I mean,of what your insurance is paying
, not of what you're paying.
Yeah, so it goes from hey, wecould charge you $40,000, um,

(04:41):
but we're going to charge you 12.
And then, of that 12, we'regoing to charge you 40, and then
we have copay insurance, so youpay zero.
So did we need to start at 40,or?

Dylan (04:53):
yeah, no, yeah, there's always.

Brad (04:58):
I'm like what motherfucker is playing 40 just?

Dylan (05:01):
cash.
Yeah, just it's kind of likeit's almost the big time meth
dealer just rolling 40.

Brad (05:04):
Just cash, yeah.
Just it's kind of like it'salmost the farm big time meth
dealer Just rolling in cash islike yeah, I'll take, I'll pay
40 K cash every eight weeks.
My plan's not.
I don't have health insurance.

Dylan (05:16):
My plan's not that great, it's the one it's the insurance
.
The drug company's like worthit.
Yeah, insurance is wild.
I mean, we've touched on that alittle bit and it's it's like
we started at 40 it's not eveninsurance, so it's like we've
started at 40 and now we're downto two it's like how did we,
how did we get?

Brad (05:36):
like, the drug companies are like this is worth 80, but
we'll, we'll take 20, yeah wait,it's worth 80 000.
Yeah, it's 80 000.
We'll take 20 dollars.
And whose baby are you stealingfor to make this work doesn't
make sense.

Dylan (05:54):
yeah, it's almost like the used car salesman, where
they start high and then they'refinally like all right, we'll
take it.
You know, just keep whittlingthem down, dude it's fucking
cars.

Brad (06:05):
I can't what I can't right now.

Dylan (06:07):
Are you talking about your car?
No, what car?
All of them.
What do we say about cars?
What are we angry about?
Really expensive.
I feel like everything hasgotten expensive.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, but they're things that I used to own and
you're like fuck, are you in the?

Dylan (06:28):
market for a new car.
Is that why we're coming?
No I, just I.
What have you been looking atlike what?
so like that old shitty bronco Iused to have, that's like four
times more now yeah it's likehey, but it's still shitty yeah
people it's four, four timesmore yeah so people figured out

(06:50):
how to fix cars and do it in arepeatable kind of easier plug
and play way.
No, they're not fixed, I'm justmore, I'm saying.
So cars like a bronco becomemore desirable because they are
a fun, attractive kind of feelgood yeah, but they're not, not
even no, they're ugly are wetalking, pre-oj bronco?

Brad (07:10):
gen one or gen like like the oj-ish.
So yeah, the gen 2 oj adjacent,maybe okay.

Dylan (07:17):
So no, the early ones got an oj bronco.
No, and I drove it for a year.

Brad (07:21):
It was awesome mean they can look good, for sure.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
But I mean they don't look that good.

Brad (07:29):
Yeah, I don't know.
People are wanting like.
It seems weird to me because Igrew up with them so they don't
feel like a classic car, eventhough they could be 40 to 45
years old I think it's.

Dylan (07:46):
How many years old does your car have to be before you
can register it as aquote-unquote antique?

Brad (07:51):
It might be 30.

Dylan (07:51):
You get really, really cheap registration on it.

Brad (07:55):
Vintage might be 30.
I don't know.

Dylan (07:56):
I don't know, but you think about that like a late 90s
, early 2000 thousands Corollaand how reliable it was.
And you just oh, yeah, you'rejust like, oh, he's got vintage
plates on it.
Yeah, I mean, I'm paying $10 ayear in registration, saving

(08:17):
lots of money.

Brad (08:18):
Oh, if only no.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
I want to.

Brad (08:21):
I want an old forerunner.

Dylan (08:28):
Now first gen forerunner.
Now first gen forerunner.
You and a lot of people um,they're not terrible yet.
Well, get in there before theybecome terrible.
You're losing money right now.

Brad (08:33):
Every second you wait, you're losing money I mean, I'm
not really I'm not spending it.
Yeah, you know, though, it'slike the, the wife, that's like
look at all the money I saved.
You're like you spent twentythousand dollars we had this, we
had this conversation tenthousand the discount, the
discount math.

Dylan (08:51):
You're like I'm literally losing money if I don't buy it.
It's 20 off.
You're like that's, that's nothow that works.

Brad (08:56):
Yeah, it's it's worth it if you're reselling it yeah I
know people used to do that.
Remember when people used to dothat on eBay.
They probably still do that.

Dylan (09:05):
Find arbitrage situations , find something really cheap
and resell.
Yeah, they would do it at Aldi.

Brad (09:11):
They would buy out Aldi of whatever, whatever.
Yeah, like, oh, these candlesare super hot right now.
I'm going to go buy all of themand then jack it up four times
yeah.

Dylan (09:26):
People aren't doing that with 4Runners, though, so
doesn't make sense.
What are you going to do to the4Runner nothing.

Brad (09:29):
We're not getting it.
I'm never going to get it.

Dylan (09:31):
I feel like you're a liar , just like I've never gotten
any car that I've ever wantedand you don't even fix the car
that you want them to fix, whichis the best part.
You're just really kind oflosing on all fronts in the car
division.
Yeah.

Brad (09:43):
I could go fix that one.
But which is the best part?
You just really kind of losingon all fronts in the car
division.
Yeah, I could go fix that one.
But who has time to drive cars?
I don't know.
I mean, I would rather I don'thave time for cars, but I have
time to build an airplane.
I mean, you don't have to goanywhere to build it right now.
Nah, right now.
Yeah, is that going to getharder?

Dylan (10:04):
Oh, it'll 100% get harder when it's at the shop, although
I do think I mean the shop'snot that far away I think I will
gain.
Would I gain in operationalefficiency by being at the shop,
the space, the layout, beingable to have multiple parts of
it working on at the same time?

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Because right now.

Dylan (10:30):
I can only work on one thing at a time, and sometimes
you have to wait for it becausethere's a part you need, or or
whatever it's clearing, it'sdrying, and then I have to
completely basically disassemblemy work area to start something
new.
Oh, I feel you I know, I know,you know.
Yeah, I know you know, but Ithink that's what it's like.
So I think I'll be able tomaximize.
I think it'll kind of be a washI mean, it was still the
motivation will be moredifficult in terms of getting
home from work and then okay, Igot to change and now I actually

(10:51):
got to actually get out thedoor.
It was nice to.
It is nice, I should say, whereI I come home and I can get
some chores done around thehouse and then come up for
dinner still, and then go backdown and go right to bed when
I'm tired.
it is too convenient sometimesit's also dangerous in that

(11:11):
sense, where you're like Ishould be probably going on a
date with my significant otherright now, instead I'm getting
sucked into a.
I'm getting sucked into aproject that I shouldn't be
doing I mean it's important todo it, but it's like I don't
know.
It was like when you came over,we were all excited to podcast.
And then I started reading thatelectrical diagram and I kind
of started zoning in on that.

Brad (11:30):
Yeah, I know Cause you didn't.
I was knocking out there for 20minutes.

Dylan (11:34):
You weren't.

Brad (11:34):
It was.
I watched you on the camera.
Shut up, watcher.
That's what we're watchingright now.
Watcher, watch the Watcher.

Dylan (11:42):
You were telling me about this, yeah.

Brad (11:44):
I want to stop watching it .
Then stop watching it.
We have two episodes left.
I was watching and this ispretty typical of us.

Dylan (11:53):
Who's the main character?
Who are?

Brad (11:55):
the actors in it.
Naomi Watts is in it, really,naomi, mm-hmm.
Yeah, shooter McGavin's in it.
Mm.
Yeah, timely, yeah, shooterMcGavin's in it, yeah, timely,
yeah, now that he's making a wartomorrow.

Dylan (12:09):
Happy tomorrow.

Brad (12:10):
Tomorrow, I don't know, it's just stop watching.

Dylan (12:18):
Yeah, I'm watching trash TV on the treadmill right now.
It's awesome.
What's that?
It's called the Royals.
Elizabeth Hurley is the queenof England.
Okay, it was an older one.
It's awesome.
What's that?
It's called the Royals.
Elizabeth Hurley is the Queenof England, okay.

Brad (12:27):
Was that an older one?
It was on E.

Dylan (12:29):
I think it's from 2019 maybe.
Okay, it's four seasons.

Brad (12:35):
This one was a couple years ago.
They get you because it'ssupposed to be based on a true
story, except it's not at all.

Dylan (12:44):
Really, who is the anna delvey, the, the fake heiress?
You remember?
She committed massive fraud,she tricked everyone and things.

Brad (12:52):
Yeah, she used to have the hotels for free and
everything's not like becominganna or something.
There's a yeah, but at the verybeginning you know the
description it's.

Dylan (12:59):
This is very loosely based on.
We took a lot of libertiesright.
You know what?
What is?

Brad (13:05):
the best like show or movie that you think is lord of
the rings most like whathappened in real life.
He didn't let me finish, uh,shit top gun.

Dylan (13:22):
Uh yeah, armageddon, a tropic thunder.
Armageddon, I think, isprobably the best documentary
ever made.
We've talked about this top twodocumentaries is top gun and
Armageddon.
It's amazing that Bruce Williswas in two major events.
Um, you know, but it has, butit has to be a recreation.

Brad (13:38):
So, like I would say you could say grizzly man, because
it was actually real.
Uh, but that's, that's not arecreation Um.

Dylan (13:52):
I think they said I don't know, Uh, the King speech.
What about it?
I don't know.
That was what he say.
The movie.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Hmm.

Dylan (14:02):
You know that one about King George.
So queen Elizabeth's dad was aKing, he was the second in line,
and his brother's the one thatabdicated for the Holly the
female, the, the Hollywoodactress back in the thirties or
twenties, thirties or four.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I don't remember.

Dylan (14:24):
So Lizzie wasn't there.
Their their line wasn'ttechnically in line, but then he
just was like, well, parliamentwouldn't let him marry a
non-royal, essentially, and sohe the heart wants what the
heart wants.
The heart wants what the heartwants.
But George had a stutteringproblem.

(14:46):
He was also king of the jungle.
Brendan Fraser made a hell of acomeback.

Brad (14:52):
Yeah, yeah.
So anyway, that was a goodmovie.
Why it was?

Dylan (14:55):
pretty the king's speech.
Oh, george of the jungle too,yeah.

Brad (15:01):
Capote oh, I never saw that one.

Dylan (15:05):
That one was intense.

Brad (15:08):
Maybe Dazed and Confused.

Dylan (15:10):
Yeah, matthew McConaughey talks about his role in that
and he said he hates the factone of the ending scenes, when
they're in the football fieldand they're going to go get the
Aerosmith tickets and he walksout of camera and then he comes
back into frame and he goes.
I was, I was this character,you know the guy the entire film

(15:35):
and he goes and then I ruinedit at the end by doing that.
He goes because I wanted to bein the shot, because it was kind
of a free form.
It was a free form take he goes.
But that's not my character.
My character never cared tocome back and be in the
spotlight.
He was his own person.
I don't remember and he somatthew talks about how I walk
out of frame and then he goes.
I got insecure as an actor so Icame back and kind of ad-lib

(15:55):
some stuff and he goes and Irealized later that he just that
character is cool.
He doesn't care if people arecoming or not with him, he would
be in the car going.
We're going to get Aerosmithtickets, whether I'm by myself
or with everyone else, I mean,you could come with me.

Brad (16:10):
It'd be a lot cooler if you did, but I can't think of my
favorite right now.

Dylan (16:19):
We're talking about too many happy things at the moment.
You came in saying you weregoing to be angry.
Hot takes.

Brad (16:24):
No, hot takes, not hot takes, hot takes Already.

Dylan (16:30):
No, we can keep going.
Then How's that, woodford, bythe way?

Brad (16:34):
It's good.
Sorry, sean, we're not drinkingbourbon right now Well not
River Pilot oh, feeling good.

Dylan (16:39):
Yeah, the new mood therapy.
The new mood therapy, yeah.

Brad (16:43):
I got to say when you threw this book at me I don't
like the cover.
It's from the 80s, I don't likethat, it's a thick, like it
looks like a it's a big boy.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Reader's Digest book.

Brad (16:55):
It's a big boy.

Dylan (16:57):
It's a very 19, it feels very 1990s.
That kind of cover, that justkind of feels.

Brad (17:04):
Yeah, it does.
Look at how much clutter is onthere.
That's a lot, a lot ofinformation.
It would take me a solid minutejust to read the cover, mm-hmm.

Dylan (17:14):
David Burns MD.

Brad (17:17):
Clinically proven drug-free treatment for
depression?
Yeah.
I don't know, about that.
Oh, nip negative feelings inthe bud.
That's very modern.
Deal with guilt.
Yeah, yeah, no pass, just holdthat.

(17:43):
Hold that gut feeling, avoidthe painful downward spiral of
depression.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
That's what we're talking about today.

Brad (17:50):
Yeah, less of a spiral, more of a bonsai.

Dylan (17:54):
It is fun just to jump off the cliff, isn't it?
For a moment you're riding high.
For a moment you're going upstill, and then all of a sudden
it's a free fall.

Brad (18:02):
I saw a clip today of tandem base jumping that sounds
like which I have not.
I know I've not seen thatbefore you just doubled your
mass and it's.

Dylan (18:13):
I don't know if you know this, but mass times accelerate
mass times acceleration well, itdoesn't really matter.

Brad (18:20):
There's a theoretical limit, unless there's a
theoretical limit unless your9.8 meter square is, or you're
in a vacuum.
Yeah, I mean, you don't want topush the limits of when the
chute can open, like hey, assoon as you're clear, you have

(18:42):
to throw this or curse blat.
You're like, hey, what if tothrow this?
Or curse Blatt?
You're like hey, what if we had, like I don't know, 170 pounds?
That's not a good idea.
It's already suspect at best,just watching the beginning of
it.
So she's got one of the selfiestick things and they're
standing on the edge of a cliff.
It looks like Utah and I'm justthinking how how does this go

(19:08):
off smoothly, because she is notcalm about it?
The, the person that'standeming what?

Dylan (19:17):
so why would you as the jump, even as the designated
jumper, why would you?

Brad (19:22):
I don't want, he is he was the calmest motherfucker I've
ever seen, I know, but that'swhat I'm like.
It just seems like such a bigrisk because there's okay let's
say she was calm and there's notime slips coming off, like I'm
sure the jump off was prettyreasonably safe, like maybe it

(19:43):
was a little bit of an overhang,or you know it would have
something like that if you'regonna overhang, but uh, I was
like no, I don't like this atall.
And she screamed almost theentire way down like she was
gonna hit the ground and theydidn't he did a good, good job.

(20:04):
I don't know, it was a veryemotional moment for her.
Did she land and is she good?
Yeah, I think she was letting alot of shit out.

Dylan (20:15):
Maybe that's why she was doing it Tandem skydiving or
base jumping.
I feel like you should have.

Brad (20:21):
I feel like, Actually tandem base jumping not the
craziest thing I've seen in thelast couple of weeks.
What's the craziest thingyou've seen?
Tandem downhill mountain bikingoh yeah, Tandem based Moab,
Utah.

Dylan (20:32):
Okay, Um tour agency, oh adventure tourism company
offering tandem based jumpingexperiences.
It's a choice of off road orhiking approaches.

Brad (20:45):
That's.
That's one of those thingswhere you look at your tour
guide and you're like, how areyou feeling today?
I just you feel good about it.
You in a good space right now.
You haven't been reading any,you know.
Oh, I'm sitting around herereading how to kill yourself
books.

Dylan (21:06):
So what they do is they're not throwing the shoot
themselves.
As soon as they jump there,they're um, they're lined back
to earth.

Brad (21:15):
So as soon as they jump there.
Oh no, this guy threw it Okay.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Well, it looks like these ones are these ones are oh
no.

Dylan (21:22):
Oh he's holding onto the okay, cause this guy had it.
These ones are oh, no, oh, he'sholding on to the Okay.

Brad (21:25):
Because this guy had it in his hand.

Dylan (21:27):
But you see, like here yeah, they've got a little
pulley system back, but it'slike that's yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.

Brad (21:38):
Yeah he definitely threw it.

Dylan (21:41):
The tandem-based Moab team is made up of a former
elementary school teacher, afirefighter and an er nurse.
I'm in, I'm fucking sold.
Uh, all of our team members arecurrent united states parachute
association certified tandeminstructors.
With requires possession of acurrent faa medical, including
physical and drug tests.

(22:02):
I don't really do that.

Brad (22:04):
That, though, because a lot of those are no-no places.

Dylan (22:08):
They've got three different jumps.
It says right here PerriottMesa, mineral Bottom and
Tombstone.
Tombstone costs you $550.
Mineral Bottom costs you $750.
And Perriott Mesa?
I don't want a base jump at ajump called Tombstone $1,500.
Let's click in here forinformation.

Brad (22:30):
Welcome to your base jump today.
I like to.

Dylan (22:32):
I like this, I like the scrolling ribbon bachelorette
parties, corporate retreats Likeyeah, sure, that's a great idea
.

Brad (22:39):
We will be taking the trek up to.
You're going to die cliff today.

Dylan (22:44):
Tombstone is located closest to downtown Moab and is
a classic base jump offering aone hour hike with gorgeous red
rock views.
Standing at 400 feet tall isthe approach to the parking.
You know what people in Moabgive a shit about what?

Brad (23:01):
Nothing.
It's true, they're just likefuck it.
Also, a ton of internationalpeople in Moab give a shit about
what?
Nothing.
It's true, they're just likefuck it.
Also, a ton of internationalpeople in Moab, lots.

Dylan (23:11):
It's a big mountain biking and off-roading
destination.
The One of them, perriot Mesa,is the pinnacle of base exit
points the Jeep is the jeepingthere?

(23:31):
Griffin's building a.
You know, in typical fashion,my brother thousand projects,
he's building a Jeep he'sbuilding a Jeep right now.
You haven't seen it.

Brad (23:42):
No oh yeah, what's he going to's he gonna do with it?

Dylan (23:48):
I, you're not asking nothing because the frame's bare
right now and he's welding onnew um attach points for
suspension.
So yeah, and then I'm beefingit up yeah, I thought I thought
he had a bronco to do thatbefore.
Um, he sent that out to thatguy in arizona, california, I
don't know, california,supposedly he's putting a

(24:09):
corvette motor in that, I don'tknow.
Yeah, this is what, griffin,this is an exact quote from
griffin, I get 80 there and thenI just don't know how I want to
finish it, so I just stop andit drives my dad batshit crazy,
and I love it so much.

Brad (24:26):
Uh, that part's fun, I think he.
He sounds a little bit like mydad and like he just enjoys
having it.
Yes, like it's part of part ofthe process.

Dylan (24:40):
Yeah, I also think that maybe in a weird twisted way
that he's afraid to finish it.
He doesn't griffin doesn't likefinality sorry, griffin, if you
ever listen to these.
Uh well, I think there's thisthing that it's well.

Brad (24:55):
If it's over, it's over and it's like well, you can have
iterations, so yeah like tryusing it and then maybe you
don't like something about itand you can change it, you know
maybe you just blow the motor up, so you gotta put

Dylan (25:12):
a new one in.

Brad (25:13):
I don't know.

Dylan (25:15):
I wouldn't suggest blowing a motor up.

Brad (25:17):
I mean yeah, tomato, tomato.

Dylan (25:22):
I mean, I blew up my jeep motor.
Not in a fun way, though.
No, that was about it was.
I was right next to arthur'sdeli and moly was it yeah, going
up that hill, all of a sudden Iwas like, oh, that is not an
exciting hill.
It was not a motor, uh-huh,that was really embarrassing I
did go into arthur's and buy asandwich, though I waited for
the tow truck.

Brad (25:40):
I just I always enjoy doing the thing like oh, you got
a classic car.
It's like, yeah, I love drivingit.
I'm gonna drive it.
Like, oh you, you trailer it toshows and like win trophies.
I'm like no I don't want tojust drive it.
That's.
That's the fun part for me andother people.

(26:01):
It's like I like finding all thecorrect parts for it or I like
just fucking working on it, or Ilike walking out to my garage
and seeing it yeah, or I liketelling people that I have it
and then we get to talk about ityeah, I met and I'm always like
didn't you have kids for?

Dylan (26:19):
that reason I met a guy at oshkosh this weekend and he
was definitely the guy thatliked to talk.
He had a Grumman Widgeon.
It's a seaplane, five-person,twin-engine, amphibious.
Is that the one that goesunderwater?
No, oh, it's a high wing, butthe engines are on the wings.

(26:42):
It's a really cool airplane.
And he did a full restore on itA beautiful panel, but the
engines are on the wings.
It's, it's a really coolairplane.
And he, um, he did a fullrestore on it, a beautiful panel
, beautiful paint work.
It was yellow, um, but he satunderneath the wing in the shade
and people would just walk upin that guy.
You knew that he did all ofthat work because he just wanted

(27:02):
to talk about it and he, everyquestion anyone had, he went
into an excruciating detail.
So I stripped this.
This is what we do.
And then you know, there's acouple of guys that I found that
knew something about this, andthen we went and he just talked
and you could just it was hispassion project, but it's, it
still continues to serve himbecause he just likes to talk

(27:23):
about it with people, which?
is that cool, it's really cool.

Brad (27:27):
That's cool because there's other people that are
also doing some version of that.
Yeah, it is kind of weird,though.

Dylan (27:35):
There's gatekeepers in this world, though.
Which are like oh yeah, that'smy knowledge and you're like
well, what are you gatekeepingfor?
I don't do that.
I understand intellectualproperty.
When it comes to like yourfinances, and if you're like, if
I give this secret away, myfinances are screwed.
But some people, there's a lotof things in this world that we
gatekeep for no reason.

Brad (27:55):
It is weird, though, that, like at car shows, that's what
guys will talk about.
But I mean, they'll do that.
I did this, I did this, I didthis, but they're telling other
guys that have also donesomething similar.
Neither of them are going to doit again.

Dylan (28:10):
Yeah, it's just yeah.
Let's just tell you, I don'tknow what.

Brad (28:18):
Achievements.

Dylan (28:19):
It's achievements, but it's also you create.
You're creating a bond throughcommiseration, almost where,
when you do hard things withother, when you do hard things,
you somehow create a better bondthan just doing something chill
or happy with something.
Oh yeah, you know, when you,and that's oh what.

(28:41):
That's that's called somethinghazing trauma, something trauma
trauma bonding, trauma bonding Ithink it's trauma when you go
through something togetherthat's extremely hard, and so to
that point you can kind ofcreate an instant friendship
with someone unhealthyrelationship.
Well we all know that we enjoythose Um.

(29:01):
What was that Uh?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Oh, uh, all know that we enjoy those.
Um, what was that?

Dylan (29:06):
uh, oh, continue I'm gonna find this now, but my
favorite was is he was somebodywas asking about corrosion,
because it's you know, waterwill rust metal and so that's
the biggest thing with seaplanesis everyone's like whoa, what
do you do for rust and all thisstuff?
He goes.
I I don't get rust on theairplane itself.

(29:29):
He goes and he just wouldn't.
I mean, this was the one he wentto the most in depth he's like
it's the fuel tanks, it's the,it's the fuel that hasn't been
vetted properly.
You know that filters, like thevapor that comes up in the fuel
tanks, he goes, the fuel, thefuel tanks are always wanting to
try to corrode.
So that's what I always got todeal with.
And I was just laughing andhe's like I got, he goes.

(29:49):
I get a little bit of leakingin the floor Cause it's a wood,
it has wood in there, and hegoes and then, after it's been
in the water for a little bit,the wood wild.

(30:12):
It was just fun to listen,speaking of wood and water and
ships.
Uh, what was the one of thefour?
What was one of our firstepisodes about the the ship,
when you replace all the parts.

Brad (30:16):
Yeah, do you know who the fuck brought that up to me?
Who my son?
He's listening to our podcast.
No, no, we're sitting at dinnerand I don't remember what we're
talking about.
But he goes yeah, I waslistening it's.
It's kind of like when youreplace all the parts of
something and then you have todecide if it's still the same

(30:36):
thing, like it was a greek thing.
I go yeah, the ship of theseusyeah and he's like yeah.
And I was like, yeah, we did afucking podcast on it, dumb,
dumb.
And he's like you did.
I was like yeah, because helistens to joe bartolozzi, who's
a youtuber.
I don't know that guy he's ayoutuber.

Dylan (30:57):
He makes more money than we do.

Brad (30:58):
That's a lot okay, more I'm really sad, I know god damn
it, and I think most of hismoney comes from just reaction.
Oh, I don't get that either, bythe way.

Dylan (31:11):
I don't understand how they get so big doing those kind
of videos, but and I don't knowwhat he started doing.
It's maybe because they'rehaving emotions for people.
I don't think that I don'tthink the new generation
understands emotions.

Brad (31:29):
God, damn it what.
I don't know what to do withthem.
Hot takes yeah, maybe not.

Dylan (31:37):
How much time do your kids spend on the screen?
A lot Like A lot.
What's a lot?

Brad (31:44):
A work day.

Dylan (31:46):
Okay, I mean yeah on average, and do you think that
you think they're consumingcontent that's enhancing their
cognitive abilities or degradingtheir cognitive?
Uh, no what what are you doing?

(32:06):
I don, I don't know um, can you?
Hear mine cut out there for asecond too.
Yeah it's.

Brad (32:11):
It's definitely not enhancing all the time.
Yeah, because they'll be onyoutube and like there's,
there's a lot of good shit onhere, you can get.

Dylan (32:23):
There's a lot of really you can get a phd in whatever
you want there's a lot of real Ion here, you can get

Brad (32:25):
there's a lot of really.
You can get a PhD in whateveryou want.
There's a lot of real.
I mean, and I'm not saying you,you, you have to be watching
all these educational videos,but there's all kinds of shit on
.
There's like mini movies onthere, these little 10, 20, 30
minute things on, all kinds ofstuff that are really
interesting, and they just watchpeople play video games.

(32:52):
I don't like it.
I don't, I don't.

Dylan (32:57):
You know I have a lot of guys that I work.

Brad (33:00):
I don't like that one.
I don't like that one.
You're not good at this, it'sjust lubricated.
I don't like that one.
I don't like that one.
That one wasn't good either.
You're not good at this, it'sjust lubricated, it's not a
problem.
It shouldn't squeak when it'slubricated.
No, it's not.
So yeah, I just don't.
We all have our things right.

Dylan (33:21):
Yeah, I'm still trying.
I.

Brad (33:24):
I, I played video games growing up and I did what Atari,
uh, nintendo and Atari.
But I can remember one summerwhen I was it was before we
moved, so I would have beenmaybe around Corbin's age.
Okay, and what were you playing?
Roger Clemens baseball?

(33:45):
Oh yeah, because you couldcontrol how you slid.

Dylan (33:50):
Yeah.

Brad (33:51):
You can move your hand, yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Basically that was it .

Brad (33:54):
That was the only other difference, cause the other one
was like RBI baseball, uh, Ithink was a big one at the time.

Dylan (33:59):
What was the PC?
Backyard baseball.
The kids that play?

Brad (34:02):
Yeah, there's a backyard baseball with the kids that play
, maybe, yeah, and so, like hewould come over and we would
like my best friend to come overin the mornings we would play
like four or five hours of RogerClemens baseball and then we'd
go outside and play the rest ofthe day Like when we did that
pretty much for an entire summer.
You'd come over the RogerClemens baseball, we eat

(34:24):
spaghettios and meatballs, wemake Kool-Aid and we'd go
outside all day.
That's awesome.
I don't know that Shannon hadthat same kind of deal Today
when I got home after work.
Two of Corbin's friends comeover.
Now they're at the age whereeverybody starts to roam around
town and do that thing.

Dylan (34:45):
What's the what's the app you guys have on their phones?
What so that they you can trackthem?
Uh, remember I was at yourhouse, though I don't believe in
that, okay.

Brad (34:57):
Oh yeah, he's like ah, my parents have a phone.

Dylan (35:00):
He's like ah, my parents have a phone.
I don't know if they're goingto like me going to a hundred
miles.

Brad (35:03):
I don't know if we should do this.

Dylan (35:05):
Yeah.

Brad (35:06):
Shannon always asked me how fast can Phoenix go on his
bike?
Yeah, she doesn't know.
She's like a 17 miles an hourfast.
Can he do that on his bike?
You can do seven.

Dylan (35:18):
I was like no problem.

Brad (35:19):
You could run 17 miles an hour.

Dylan (35:21):
Can you?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah.

Dylan (35:23):
How fast you Asian.
I think 22 is the number thatsticks on my head.

Brad (35:26):
It was like well, I mean, if you're falling down a steep
hill probably.

Dylan (35:32):
Yeah.

Brad (35:36):
So, uh, so they get.

Dylan (35:38):
They get a little bit of both oh shit, sorry, 27.8 miles
per hour wow that's fast that'spretty quick.
His average was 23.35.

Brad (35:51):
I honestly thought it was like 14, but I could be wrong.
That is wild.

Dylan (36:05):
Sitting here reading how to kill yourself books.
That's one of my.
We're going to have to actuallyget that on the.
I'm going to have to put thaton the pad.
You said those weren't for you.
It's not.
It's not the point.
You, it's not the point.
That's not the point.

Brad (36:20):
Oh, overcoming the sense of worthlessness, oh god Don't
highlight my book.

Dylan (36:27):
Hold on, I'm just going to tear this page out.

Brad (36:31):
I gotta take this home.
I'll buy you a copy, man, thisis it's verbose.
Home, I'll buy you a copy.
Man, this is it's verbose.
This is too much for me rightnow.
You spiraling?
No, I just have a real goingthrough a period of growth.

Dylan (36:56):
What kind of growth I?

Brad (36:57):
don't know, my joints hurt .

Dylan (37:00):
Just kidding, too much milk, calcium buildup?

Brad (37:02):
No, probably not.
Probably cartilage non buildup,oh God, I know.

Dylan (37:08):
It's weird, I've got this knee.
Yeah, it's just going into someshit.
My knee, my left knees not fun,I left shoulder sucks too.

Brad (37:15):
My whole left leg hurts.

Dylan (37:17):
Yeah, I can feel that.

Brad (37:20):
And I'm not sure if it stems from the top or the bottom
.
I don't know if it's radiatingdown or up.

Dylan (37:26):
I know Because I don't think it's the whole leg, yeah,
and that's where I can run andit kind of goes away after a
while and I'm like I don't knowif I'm doing more damage or if
it's fine.

Brad (37:38):
I don't.

Dylan (37:39):
I don't ask those questions.
It's kind of like a car.

Brad (37:40):
Like if you think something's wrong, don't don't
throw a bunch of tests at it,Just drive it until it breaks.
Then it becomes obvious, thetruth will always come out.
Yes, yeah, yeah, um, I gave my,so you don't do intake forms
for when you go to counselingtherapy.
What do you mean?

(38:01):
Remember the intake, the formyou fill out every time you go.

Dylan (38:09):
Oh, I don't fill them out every time I go.

Brad (38:11):
Yeah, see, you had me feeling bad about that last time
we talked about this yeah.
And now I feel kind of sorryfor you.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Okay.

Brad (38:18):
Because I, every time I go , I have the the opportunity to
lay some heavy shit on her, likeit's always.
You know, uh, how are you doingsince last time?
And you know, sometimes it'slike improvement or spiraling.

Dylan (38:40):
Oh, she's collecting data on you.
That's fun, yeah.

Brad (38:42):
So it is fun, it's.

Dylan (38:45):
I think that's lazy because I see Tina taking notes
the entire time.

Brad (38:49):
No, she takes notes too, but the intake form is just like
I don't know.
Maybe it's like a baseline.

Dylan (38:56):
Yeah, she's a baseline.
Yeah, she's put a baseline foryou the alcohol intake.

Brad (39:00):
So it's like how many drinks have you had the last
time?

Dylan (39:04):
I was like I feel like any is too much.
You know how this is supposedto feel like a safe space.
This question right here isreally putting me off, my put me
off my rocker.

Brad (39:16):
I don't know how much is too much.

Dylan (39:17):
And then how much is and how little is a lie?
Because where's the lie start?
This is not a lot.

Brad (39:22):
Like it's not a lot, but I feel like I still might want a
fib.

Dylan (39:27):
What is the definition of alcohol abuse?

Brad (39:30):
It's like if I had four beers that week, I'd be like I
think it was three.
Is that bad?
Uh, I don't know.
And then I always uh, writesomething, hit her with a quote
or something that I made up orwhatever, and like what do you
want to talk about today?
And I'll just lay some you knowlead based what do you got?

(39:55):
I don't know what do you?

Dylan (39:57):
you don't have.
You see, I have a note.
You have a notebook, right?
Oh yeah, a lot of, but that'snot what.
Oh my god, you wrote a lot.
What did you write?

Brad (40:03):
about it's.
You don't want to know?
okay, I don't want to know umyou see, that little guy, don't
worry about that little guy,don't worry this thing nothing,
you don't want to worry aboutthis guy, but we were talking
about physical attributes ofthere's physical attributes of

(40:24):
how you're feeling in a mentalstate depression or possibly
anxiety, which you have mildcases of, apparently.
I hear fucking understatement.
What are you talking abouteverything together all the time
?
So this was my, like myvisceral description of how you

(40:52):
feel physically sometimes, how Ido, probably.
Why are?

Dylan (40:55):
you writing about me.
I like to project.
Yeah, okay, let's go be curioushow you feel physically
sometimes how I do Probably.

Brad (41:00):
Why are you writing about me.
I like to project.
Yeah, okay, let's go.
Be curious, not judgmental,that's what I'm doing.
Okay, my problems don't lookprofound on paper, and yet the
feeling I have is of a heavyblanket draped over my chest,
not in a comforting manner, butrather one that wishes to slowly
drain your body until you nolonger have the energy to draw
in a breath over its constantpressure, which kind of reminds

(41:23):
me of you upside down in a cave.
We don't talk about caves.

Dylan (41:27):
We don't talk about caves .
I think you bought a heavyblanket.

Brad (41:31):
No no.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I don't like that.

Brad (41:35):
I don't think I don't like that, don't like what't like
that.
I don't think I don't like that, don't like what the weighted
blankets.
I don't know if I really digthat feeling or not.

Dylan (41:43):
I know what I feel like when the comforter's too thick
and it's on top of my legs andI'm like I can't get out of this
.

Brad (41:48):
No, I don't like that at all.
I had older cousins.
They used to like wrap us up inblankets and just sit on us
Like hey, can you breathe inthere?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
No.

Dylan (41:59):
Don't like this oh, isn't it cute, they're bonding yeah.

Brad (42:04):
And then your parents come in they're like oh, look at
there he's hog tied inside ablanket again.
What are you fucking?

Dylan (42:10):
guys doing?
You guys are supposed to beparenting.
Yeah, I don't see any of thatgoing on right now.

Brad (42:17):
My dad's probably like my brother used to shoot me with a
real gun, yeah.
So, that's it.
Yeah, probably happened.
My dad used to.
You ever seen Payback with MelGibson?
Yeah, just smash their toes.

Dylan (42:33):
Yeah, the clippers from the town uh, ah, uh, just clip
the tip off.

Brad (42:44):
Uh, jesus that doesn't feel good, by the way.
No, I don't like that.

Dylan (42:51):
No, you know when you've never had something happen to
you, but you see it donesomewhere else and then you feel
it and you're like well, why amI feeling this right now?

Brad (42:58):
I've had my finger hit so hard that it split, and I have
to imagine that getting itclipped is worse than that.
So, um, yeah, or like puttingit through a table saw or
something similar, no, no.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
A lot of nerve endings there.

Brad (43:19):
Uh, you never, don't?
You never start with the headthe Joker.

Dylan (43:25):
Yeah, the victim gets all woozy.
Hi, that's probably the best.
I send that gift to everybodythat gives Rose.

Brad (43:35):
Hi, hi, oh.
So yeah, yeah, that's, thoseare some things we talk about,
but no, lately.
So, uh, growth, period ofgrowth.
God, jesus phoenix wanted tocome on this and I was like this
, it's not gonna happen.
No, like I told you, I was likewhy would you?

Dylan (43:53):
want your kid to come.
Oh we would be, you'd be, I'dbe unpacking some shit from both
of you right now, not only that, but like we would be in the
weeds so far.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Oh, like father, like son, it'd be hard he just goes
down.

Brad (44:10):
Yeah Well, you do the same shit sometimes.
I mean so, but, yeah, feelingof growth.
So, uh, you know, when you'reworking on something and you've
been doing it wrong for so longand then you find out the right
way to do it and it changes yourlife and you're happy that it
changed your life, but you'realso pissed that you did it

(44:31):
wrong for so long because ofjust wasted time and energy.
That's's where I feel like I'mat right now.

Dylan (44:38):
Oh so so you're in a good place, but you're mad at your
former self.

Brad (44:42):
Uh, I mean, I'm not in the good place yet, but I know, I
think, where that's going.

Dylan (44:48):
What have you been wasting time on, Uh?

Brad (44:56):
it's not even really a waste of time, it's just finding
out how to cope and live better.

Dylan (45:04):
I guess what are your?
What are your, what are thetools right now?
That?

Brad (45:07):
you're using that?
I'm using.
Yeah, what are you how's?

Dylan (45:11):
you know what's what's causing the change.

Brad (45:13):
Therapy, self-reflection Mostly.

Dylan (45:17):
You practicing in mindfulness, trying to be
present, not live in the past orthe future?

Brad (45:22):
Yeah, I lay in my bed and I listen to meditation music.
People walk in.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
I'm fucking meditating.

Brad (45:31):
I like that.
I was trying to be really calmabout it.

Dylan (45:37):
Are you using sam harris's app or no?

Brad (45:40):
no, um, I don't I do.
I have in the last couple weeksby myself every once in a while
just like, can I just take fiveminutes and just fucking
breathe.

Dylan (45:54):
But yeah for so for count in, for count hold.

Brad (45:59):
So there's a real and now it's really, it's good if you're
going through, so, like you'retalking about the, the um,
digestive stuff, like there's awhole history of that, the
mental health stuff there's awhole history of that too.
And so it starts off as uh youmight be going through some,

(46:20):
some depression you know somedepressive episodes.
Oh, okay, well, let's talkabout this.
Oh, you seem to be having theseoften throughout multiple years
.
Yeah, okay, maybe this is maybethis thing.

Dylan (46:32):
Oh, maybe we should try medication.

Brad (46:33):
Oh, you don't like medication.
Oh, maybe you go back onmedication.
Okay, let's do this.
And then every time you dosomething new and you learn
something else new, like ithelps a little bit, and you just
keep.
Yeah, it's like you're takingbaby steps forward, but you seem
to keep hitting the sameproblem over and over again.
And then you know, in the lasttwo years you take the nail out

(46:54):
of your head the ADHD stuff andand some of that and it's like
okay, better, better, like bigsteps, steps are getting bigger
and you still feel like you'rerunning into problems.
And now I feel like enough ofthat shit is out of the way,
that the real overarching issueis is like a self-worth issue

(47:20):
the real overarching issue is islike a self-worth issue.

Dylan (47:21):
So, yeah, I think something profound that was said
to me that along the same lineswas um, you don't have to fix
yourself.
It's.
It's okay to be you and wantgrowth and to grow, but you need
to stop looking at it in termsof you have to hit these things
to fix you.
Yeah, and it's not even andthat's kind of that worth which

(47:45):
is like I am who I am and I canalways be better, but, like you,
wrapping your identity aroundfixing or I guess, like uh, it's
not necessarily about beingbetter, it's uh, understanding
it's actually valuing who I amright now, like uh, like am I

(48:16):
previously?

Brad (48:16):
I would be like, am I enough?
Of this thing, or this thing orthis thing.

Dylan (48:22):
And there is always this the answer is no bread.

Brad (48:24):
I know I know, there is always this, this underlying
factor of, like, uh, potential.
You know, yeah, and like, whydo I like coaching so much?
Cause, like, I get to bring outfucking other people's
potential?
You know, yeah, and in themeantime, what's happening?
What's happening with me?
You're getting destroyed.

(48:45):
I mean, I could probably takemy own advice.
I think is what it boils downto.
That'd be too easy.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
More or less?

Brad (48:53):
be, too easy, but yeah, so there are a lot of things that
we are interested in that, Ithink, grows us as humans be
content with.
Not even be content, but like,uh, there's a sense of I was

(49:21):
telling Shannon this the otherday, cause I've I've seen it
from.
Obviously, adhd has a widevariance of traits, and one of
the things is, uh, like I haveto remind myself that I deserve
things that other people thinkare just basic things, like I
deserve clean clothes, I deserveto have a clean body, I deserve

(49:43):
to eat good food.
It's like all of these mundaneeveryday things that other
people don't think about arethings that I wouldn't say you
stress about, but they get putall the way on the back of the
list somehow.
And so it's like, yeah, okay,well, I'll just eat this fucking
shitty thing again instead ofspending five minutes to prepare

(50:07):
something that's actually goodfor me, because I don't want to
or have the capacity to thinkabout it or whatever the case is
.
And so it's that that sense ofyeah, you, you deserve like to
have some good shit.
Yeah that is um and not likegiven, like I know what you're

(50:34):
saying not get, because that cancome off as as like a self
entitled.
But it's like I will workreally hard for things and then
not get things and still havesome sense of guilt about it,
where it's like wait, not onlyshould I have that, but I earned
that, and then still have guiltfor not having it.

(51:01):
That doesn't make any sense.

Dylan (51:05):
Yeah, I think so.
That's where I'm at.
You bring up an interestingpoint.
I've thought about this and youknow tell me if I'm going
completely in a differentdirection than I should be, and
it's it is different.
But if just brought my mind backhere, I think there is stuff

(51:30):
that I spend my my resources onthat seems over the top and
silly to people that are closeto my life.
Um, you know, I have a cleaninglady come to my house and like
my dad will be like well, whydon't you just clean yourself?
You're like because it's notthat, it's not that I'm lazy, I

(51:51):
go it.
Just I would rather.
You know, living with ADHD, youdo fixate on things and you're
like when I have to do something, that's not in my priority list
it is really, really hard andthen you ignore it and then it
gets really bad and then youfeel guilty to what you're
saying.
You're like I would rather justit's called the ADHD tax to an

(52:13):
extent, and like I would ratherjust pay the tax which is making
sure someone's here every otherweek doing the deep clean that
I'm not willing to do so that Idon't feel guilty about my house
kind of starting to pile up andthere are but there to what
you're saying is like I'mwilling, everyone makes their
own resources and it's on you tospend it how you want to spend

(52:34):
it in their own Like thesethings might seem over the top
or, you know, one percenter ishif you, if you put it that way
and you're like but I do it sothat I can expend my resources,
my personal, you know health andmy personal you know, um, yeah,
my, my abilities into somethingelse that brings me more joy or

(52:58):
brings more resources.
You know I can.
I can focus on work for anotherhour when I get home, because I
do enjoy what I do, and so it'sjust.
There's so many societal norms,though, that are like well, you
should.
You know, I spend money onWalmart plus and delivery
because I don't want to go there.
I like going to the grocerystore more than any.
I mean, I love walking up anddown every aisle, but I don't

(53:21):
have the time for it because I'mfocused on so many other things
.
It's just like okay yeah.
I'll just have it delivered.
I don't, I don't care and I.
It's just interesting howsociety can negatively look at
things like that sometimes, eventhough it's bringing a better
you.
You know.
You know it's helping you be abetter person, and so it's just

(53:42):
you know, that's not how the?
Standards are, so why are youdeviating?
And that's, that's silly.
Why wouldn't you want to?
There's honor and discipline incleaning your own house.
You're like I totally get that,but I don't like it.

Brad (53:54):
I don't like gardening yeah, I would love to be at some
point in my life where I wouldenjoy gardening, but I'm not
there I think maybe that fallsin line a little bit with how we
talk about, uh, weaponizingideas sometimes, yeah, like
there are definitely people thatcould absolutely fucking clean
their own house because theyliterally aren't doing anything

(54:15):
else.
Yeah, you know, but they don'thave to, so they don't.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah.

Brad (54:20):
I feel like that.
And is that wrong?
No, not really.
But I think some of thosenegative views come from
situations like that.
You know more than anything andthen that just gets lumped onto
oh, you have a cleaning lady.
This is blah blah blah, andthen that just gets lumped onto
oh, you have a cleaning lady.

Dylan (54:37):
This is blah blah blah, and it comes to really.
You know, I think a lot ofpeople, what they don't do is
they don't sit down and theyactually quantify.
Time is the most finite thingyou have in this world.
You know people will say it'sit's not money.
You can always go get more.
I mean it's, it's difficult.
Invest your time Exactly, and Ivalue my time probably more than

(55:02):
I mean I am.
I will spend an inordinateamount of resources to get more
time in my life and, um, it'sbecause I value it, because I
enjoy doing this podcasting withyou, I enjoy spending it with
you.
Know, like you said, you youhave joy from coaching the kids,
and it's like I have joyworking with my coworkers and

(55:25):
people that work for me andwatching them grow, and so I.
Those are things I want to do,and people, though, will be like
, oh, I'm saving $5 by doingthis, but like, what's your
opportunity cost?
I don't think enough peoplereally sit down and think about
it.
It's like, okay, cool, you mealprep for eight hours on Sunday,
right, but what else could youknow?

(55:47):
You're talking about how youdon't have the resources.
Could you have gotten a job anddone eight hours worth of work
on that Sunday and offset thatyou know it's like.
So there's all these thingsthat people don't actually do
the math on and they kind ofmake assumptions, and I think
it's important for people toreally quantify.
What does their time mean tothem?
What?
What value do they place on it?
And then, cool, we're saving 25cents.

(56:08):
And don't get me.
There's people that just theylove the game of being a
discount bargain shopper.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
And that's their, that's what they get joy out of.

Dylan (56:19):
Right, there's that.
But then there are people thatthink they're making a smarter
decision by saving some money.
But you're like you're you, youneed, you have your resources,
time.
So what could you be doing withthat time?

Brad (56:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
No, I that's kind of a, I'vebeen thinking about that a lot a
lot more.
Uh, Shannon just got me a book.

Dylan (56:43):
I uh, shannon, just got me a book, I think it's called
deny.
Your life isn't defined by whatyou say yes to it, it's defined
by what you say no to yeah.
So it's, it's a power of no,it's an.
It's important draw boundariesand not feel.
And the problem is is you and Iand I'm sorry I'm speaking over
you right now, but I think youand I fall into the trap of if
we say no, we feel guilty.
Oh, I mean because I'm alwayslike I have the capacity.

Brad (57:02):
I don't necessarily have the capacity.

Dylan (57:04):
I have the tool set to be able to help a lot of people,
and so, but capacity means, doesit not stress me?
Am I capable of doing it, andin a fair amount of time?
Can I get back to my otherresponsibilities?
Capable of doing it in a fairamount of time?
Can I get back to my otherresponsibilities?
You and I, you know, have theseconversations offline all the
time about um over committingourselves yeah and you're like,

(57:24):
oh shit, I over committed.
And then, and then it's funnybecause we talk about how much
we value our time and you'relike I just committed all my
time yeah, oh shit.
and I think, though, that youand I get and I think a lot of
people and um get a sense ofsatisfaction with service.
I, you know, um, I waslistening to a really
interesting podcast with aneuroscientist, and he talks

(57:47):
about how the human body iswired to be in service to others
, and because, when you developrelationships deep, you do
something good for someone else,you get oxytocin hits.
You know your body's rewardedfor doing acts of service, and

(58:08):
it puts you in a betterheadspace, a better mindspace, a
better you know, a better spacein general, a better space in
general, um, but when you startdoing it at the detriment to
being able to stay in that space, it becomes a problem, and so
yeah it's how do you, how do you, how do you say no without

(58:28):
feeling guilty and not needing?
the biggest one for me is likethe clarifying.
I'm like I don't, why am Iclarifying my no right now?
I don't need, I just need to belike I'm sorry, I can't do it,
no, and then'll go.
And then I'll go into a half anhour explanation of everything
that I have to do and you'relike why am I clarifying this
right now?
Just like it's okay to just no.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
I can't.

Brad (58:48):
No, I don't want to.
No, I don't like you.

Dylan (58:53):
That's a good clarification.
I think I'll just go with that.
You're not important.
You're not important.
Oh my God.

Brad (58:59):
I think no, but I I.

Dylan (59:01):
I know where it comes from, the no.

Brad (59:03):
thing was one of the first kind of major topics that I had
touched on and in counseling itwas.
You were just to the pointwhere, like, uh, you have a 19
course meal here.
Let's cut this down to likefive course, right, you?

(59:25):
We don't need this many thingson your plate I thought I was an
over-committer.

Dylan (59:28):
And then I really started paying attention to your life
and I was like oh shit, bradreally just said yes to
everything and it's it.

Brad (59:38):
And for what you know?
A lot of times it was justbecause there's a little bit
hubris in that for you and Iknow too.

Dylan (59:44):
Oh, it is because who else is gonna do who else is
gonna do?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
it, or who else is gonna do it like this.

Dylan (59:48):
There's a little bit of hubris there I have or nobody
else is gonna do it yeah and andthen okay, what if nobody else
does it?

Brad (59:57):
nothing?
Guess what the world keeps?
Turning okay, I know that thingdoesn't happen.

Dylan (01:00:01):
Yeah, there's uh andy, uh andy.
Stump talks about that a lot,about the big machine and the
cog, and you know his example isthe seals.
He goes when you get in.
They make it.
You know they're so effectivebecause everyone has to be.
He's like we we strive forperfection, we strive to be the
best of what we do, we and hegoes.

(01:00:22):
When you're in it, though, youfeel like if I'm not there, it's
all going to fall apart.
They may.
You know that's part of whatthey do is I'm so important that
I have to bring my best everyday.
And he goes.
Everyone doing that, right.
But then when you are going togo retire, everyone doing that,
right.
But then when you are going togo retire, all of a sudden
you're like wait, the bigmachine keeps going and you kind
of you.
he's like.

(01:00:42):
A lot of people lose themselvesbecause that was their identity
and they're like wait, that waseveryone else's identity, so
who?

Brad (01:00:48):
am I actually?
Yeah, but it's also the.
The two is one, one is none.

Dylan (01:00:51):
Yeah, we're better with you here, but we function
without you here because andwe'll bring someone up to be the
two at some point because- bythe definition of the job that
we have to do.

Brad (01:01:06):
It has to be that way because, guess what?
The likelihood of you not beinghere isn't zero.
So yeah, I mean it kind ofmakes sense.
But it's good to automateyourself.

Dylan (01:01:22):
I mean, it's good to get yourself out of the job you were
playing a little taylor swift.

Brad (01:01:26):
Who do we have that on here?
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
yeah oh, there you are so fucked?

Dylan (01:01:32):
no, we're not.
That's probably not enough toget.
It's not enough.
Can I pause here for a second?
I need toms.
No, my tummy hurts.

Brad (01:01:37):
No, we're gonna end it?
No, no, we're not.
It's probably not enough to get.
It's not enough.
Can I pause you for a second?
I need Tums.
No, my tummy hurts.
No, we're going to end it?

Dylan (01:01:40):
No, no, no, we're not going to end it.
Yeah, we are.
Why Do you have to go?
Yeah, oh fuck.

Brad (01:01:51):
But I was just getting warmed up, taylor Swift.

Dylan (01:01:53):
Oh.

Brad (01:01:54):
I got it Like her.
Air it to her Okay.

Dylan (01:01:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Come on.

Dylan (01:01:57):
I saw it last year.

Brad (01:01:58):
I know you did.
It was awesome.
We talked about it.
Probably didn't probably didn'tair that episode.

Dylan (01:02:04):
I think there's a lot in the bank.
I don't know.

Brad (01:02:05):
Really, I feel like yeah, I think everything's out.

Dylan (01:02:08):
No it's not a bunch.
There's a bunch.
What are you talking?

Brad (01:02:15):
about let's put this one out and then let's backdate?

Dylan (01:02:19):
I don't think we had that much dude.

Brad (01:02:20):
Yeah, there's at least five.

Dylan (01:02:22):
There's not five, yeah.
There's there's not bullshit,there's four.

Brad (01:02:25):
There's four for market is zero Walter.

Dylan (01:02:27):
No no market a goddamn zero.
There's four at least Any otherending thoughts.
It wasn't as hot takey as Ithought, I was really excited I
can't.

Brad (01:02:41):
I'm just starting.
You're trying to be less angry.

Dylan (01:02:48):
I'm just starting the season and I don't want to burn
all the bridges right now.
Oh, are you talking aboutsports?

Brad (01:02:52):
Yeah, Soccer Anything.

Dylan (01:02:54):
Yeah.

Brad (01:02:55):
Really.
But we have a.
If we could go the way ofEnglish soccer and the way they
run, everything, be the changeFrom the youth.
Why don't you do it?
I think some people are doingit.
It's a lot.

(01:03:17):
What's the difference?
What's the difference?
What's the difference maker?
People's feelings?
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know, but there's a.
There seems to be generationaljumps.
So the way that, like myparents generation would talk
about my generation is how Ifeel, like my generation is

(01:03:39):
talking about people that areonly seven years younger and
that seems ludicrous.
But there is some significantdifference and there is a
significant difference becauseof the timeframe that people
grew up in.
There's a massive shift in whatpeople's experiences were from,

(01:04:06):
because there's that.
There's that very weird timefrom like 78 to 85 where you got
a little bit of this, you got alittle bit of that and you kind
of grew up with some of theemerging stuff, versus if you
were born in the 90s.
That was it.
You didn't know, welcome to the90s, so like part of our growing

(01:04:29):
up was very much like growingup in, and I'm talking about
like.
I'm not talking about likeculturally or like what was
happening culturally, socially,I'm just talking about like, if
I grew up in a small town in the50s and then I grew up in it in
the early 80s, they were verysimilar times, right?
Yeah, not that the timesoverall in America are the same,

(01:04:54):
but but your daily lifestyle.
Those specific cultures wereyeah, we're similar, but then we
also had this new thing, thisnew technology thing, where that
was different.
But it wasn't our entireidentity yet, and in about 10
years it was, and now we have adigital passport and it's just a

(01:05:14):
I should.

Dylan (01:05:15):
we have digital credit, which is a weird thing to think
about.
You don't just have financialcredit anymore, you have social
credit.

Brad (01:05:20):
There's a check marks and likes and there's just a strange
concept towards like growth orchallenges or, uh, any type of
hardship for kids.
Like I, I, I can't be on thisteam because he doesn't know
anybody on this team.
For kids, I can't be on thisteam because he doesn't know

(01:05:40):
anybody on this team.
That sounds like a greatopportunity to make a whole
bunch of new friends.
That's what it sounds like tome.
Things like that where, if it'snot easy or the way they want
it, it's not easy, or the waythey want it it's maybe, yeah,
it's not the right fit Like, butthis is going to lead to a lot

(01:06:05):
of problems versus giving them alot of solutions.
It's kind of like like all ofour kids have gone to counseling
at some point or in counselingor have you know I should send
her to counseling.
And there's still people thatare like why they seem fine?

(01:06:29):
Why would you send them tocounseling?

Dylan (01:06:30):
I don't know so they can learn to talk.

Brad (01:06:33):
You're like right, I mean it's why.

Dylan (01:06:35):
Why do you, why do you send your kid to go get a
physical?

Brad (01:06:37):
before they play sports.
It's like these guys on thesefucking carpentry groups.
They're like oh, you have a$1,000 domino.
Yeah, that's cool.
I could do that with a chiselCool.
You obviously don't value yourtime.
You could do it with a chisel.
You obviously don't value yourtime.
But there's also thisopportunity to have a whole lot

(01:06:59):
of new tools in your toolbox tomanage whatever you might run
into and you think the foundingfathers would be like hey, we
used to write bills on quill andink.

Dylan (01:07:12):
Well, now you've got microsoft word.

Brad (01:07:14):
You guys are fucking pussies roganan, before he went
rogue he had a joke about that,where he's talking about the
founding fathers, he goesimagine if they came back, Like
if they came back today, andthey're like okay, yeah, we're
still here, Everything's goinglike, hey, that constitution,
what'd you guys change about it?

(01:07:34):
And they're like nothing nothing, nothing he's like you didn't
fucking write anything new, wehad the bill of rights, so it.
It's a little bit like that.
Like things change, yourtoolbox needs to change.
Having the ability to adapt andsolve problems at any stage in

(01:07:54):
life I think is important.
So how do you?

Dylan (01:07:59):
so your kids are in this.
You know what you're saying.
Is this new era?
What are?

Brad (01:08:09):
you doing as a father to try to prepare them?
Yeah, I don't like thisconversation.
I don't understand the question.

Dylan (01:08:16):
Somebody say oil you cooking bitch.

Brad (01:08:22):
I think that's part of maybe not part of it's maybe the
entire reason that I likesports and coaching is because
you get to introduce controlledhardships.
In that sense, it's also youcan introduce a sense of truth

(01:08:47):
where it's Billy.

Dylan (01:08:48):
You fucked up what.
You can't ground a ball out.
Third, you took your eyes off.
Well, you can't ground a ballout there.

Brad (01:08:53):
You took your eyes off and I have been told by people that
I'm a good coach, whatever thatmeans.
I don't know what that means,but from the kids' perspective,
I think part of why we tend tohave a decent relationship is a

(01:09:14):
sense of honesty where it's noteverything that they do is great
job.
It's a sense of of realismwhere, like when you tell a kid,
hey, you have the ability to dothis because I've seen it and I

(01:09:35):
know you can do it, and if youactually focus on that, you can
do it a lot more or all the timeand totally change the kind of
player that you are having themunderstand and realize they have

(01:09:56):
the ability to changethemselves, instead of just kind
of passively doing what they'vealways done.
It's, it's a sense of, if it'sreally important to you, like,
put the work in and you can, youcan be the change instead of
I'm just here and yeah.
And in that sense I thinkparents kind of go along with

(01:10:19):
that a little bit too, which iswhy you have these levels of
sports through all thesedifferent sports.
Now, yeah, they're, they'rethere and uh, I mean we kind of
want them to win, so like we'rejust going to put them in this
specific category so that it'snot a blowout but they win, and

(01:10:45):
then you just kind of doctorthese things in there.

Dylan (01:10:50):
Yeah, and it's not, it's certainly not every team it's
interesting that people thinkthey're doing favors to their.
It's not just kids, it's everywalk of life.
If I can control this, I'mgoing to control it in their

(01:11:11):
favor.
You can't control life, no.
So how are you preparing themfor any of that?

Brad (01:11:18):
I will tell you what a very refreshing experience was
recently, like last week, corbinwas in their Little League
tournament.
Yeah, and Little Leaguetournaments are the devil, are
the devil.
And they're the buildup to theLittle League World Series.
The devil Are the devil andthey're the build-up to the
Little League World Series.

(01:11:38):
So the rules are quote-unquotethe rules and if you have any
involvement in Little League youcan have, I'm sure, an entire
podcast for years about that.
But essentially it's you send ateam, there's no run rule,
there's essentially no timelimits and you play to the mercy

(01:12:03):
rule, which is for the youngerkids.
It's 15 runs past three inningsor you play six innings,
whichever happens, that's it.
Everything else is in play,like rules of baseball.
But those are the guidelines.
There's no like during theseason.
We play five runs an inning andthen you switch.

(01:12:23):
So you're not just sitting ondefense for an hour and a half
and they have time limits andthis and this and this and
people.
When it comes tournament time,because you might have six teams
in that age division throughthe through the year and they're
like, oh, we want, we want allthese kids to play, and in

(01:12:46):
Corbin's age group you can sendmultiple teams.
Next year you can't, you canonly send one.
From there on out you send oneteam.
So if you have six teams andyou want to send a team.
You, you gotta break it downinto one yep and that's it.
And people are very much likewell, you know, everybody should
have a chance to play.
You're like nope, you'retalking about sometimes the

(01:13:10):
difference between what could bea bad high school team playing
like a triple, a minors team,yeah, and so that happened in
different iterations to us.
We were both on the giving andreceiving end this time around

(01:13:31):
and we got beat it was like 27to 0 by a mulling team and a
team that we know some of theplayers on.
And it was funny because thepost-game speech was almost
entirely positive and not like afake positive.

(01:13:54):
You guys played really well.
They just were better than you.
You guys played, you guys dideverything we could have asked
you to do.
I mean, at least from adefensive standpoint.
They had a good pitcher, whichnobody hit really.
Actually, a couple kids put thebat on the ball, which was also
kind of impressive, butdefensively it was just like we

(01:14:14):
threw strikes.
We pitched well and they on theball, which was also kind of
impressive and uh, butdefensively it was just like we
threw strikes.
We pitched well and they hitthe ball a lot and they hit into
space every time.
Yeah, it wasn't a ton offielding.
It wasn't, it wasn't like peoplenot doing what they're supposed
to do, and even when it was 25to 0, those kids are out there
there.
Yep, I got the ball.
Hit the cutoff, throw it thisway.

(01:14:36):
That's awesome.
Still doing that kind of stuffeven though they're in that
position.
That's really cool.
It was just like that.
You guys played well.
This team is a lot better thanyou.
Why are they a lot better thanyou?
Because they do this all thetime.
They play together all the time.
They do this somewhatyear-round yeah right.

(01:14:58):
Like we've been doing this fortwo weeks.
They've been doing it for like40.
Yeah, that makes sense and andeverybody was pretty much on
board with that.
You know and I I don't see thatas a bad lesson like, these

(01:15:19):
kids put in a ton of time to dowhat they're doing and do it
well.
Do you want to do that?
Maybe some of you do, maybesome of you don't.
That's fine.
Like, just because you play asport doesn't mean that you have
to be the top tier in thatsport, because you may be doing

(01:15:40):
other things, because that takesan inordinate amount of time to
become that good at something.
Is that all you want to do?
Do you want to try to do otherthings?
Is it even that important toyou?
Like?
These are all questions thatyou can ask and there's no wrong
answer to Like, if you love it,you want to spend all your time

(01:16:02):
doing it, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
If it's not that important to you and you just
like playing the game.

Brad (01:16:04):
That's okay too.
Like kids seem to understand itmore than what parents
understand it, so that's that'swhere we're at, but it was a
development point for them.

Dylan (01:16:21):
I think there's been a flux, and this is.
This goes back to my CrossFitbond days.
Sorry, but coaching, and Ithink we've touched on this a
little bit in the podcast.
You know, out of all the thingsthat I wish could have been

(01:16:41):
better earlier in my childhood,you know A better snatch, yeah,
no, my parents would choose thehard thing over the easy thing
for them.
There was plenty of times wheremy brother, I were out of line

(01:17:01):
and the punishment that they hadto administer actually made
them have a worse time.
You know, it was like okay,we're going home, we're leaving
the party or we're, it's it cutthere.
It made their life harder insome sense.

Brad (01:17:15):
Yeah, I don't like giving you third degree words on your
feet again.
We're not gonna carry youaround, we're not gonna, we're
not gonna go.

Dylan (01:17:20):
You know, oh, we were supposed to go to this you know
event tomorrow night, but youknow you cheated on your test
and blah, blah, blah and so nowyou're grounded and we can't go.
So they, they were really goodabout living through that and
seeing that there wasconsequences and they didn't,
and it a lot of times.
Was that not a benefit tothemselves?

(01:17:43):
I call them iPad parents now,and I hate the term and I don't
know if I enjoy the term, Idon't like using it in a blanket
way but we'd go to the gym andthey just give them an iPad.
Yeah, and they're like, yeah,they'll, they'll, they'll take
care of themselves.
Meanwhile, while mom or dad'sworking out the iPad's not

(01:18:05):
working, they're running aroundthe goddamn gym with 135 pounds
over some people's heads, goingto fall at any point.
And you're like, and they'relike, totally oblivious to it.
You're like, what are you doing?
Can you please?

Brad (01:18:19):
This isn't a free babysitter session, this is a
gym, me and Shannon strugglewith this, because I'll be like,
hey, you want to go to lunch?
Yeah, delua.
Yeah, get margaritas, yeah, hey, we're going to take the kids,
aren't we?
She's like, yeah, why Fuck.
And it's why do you have totake your kids?

(01:18:43):
Why do you have to take yourkids?
When we don't always my parentslift our asses everywhere, but a
lot of times but a lot of timesshe's like, well, we're going
to just do it, we're going totake them, they need to get out.
It's like they need to get out.
And then, uh, I I probably sentyou pictures of like Corbin at
restaurants.

Dylan (01:19:01):
It's just like uh, and he's brooding.
He has a good brood.
He broods, he exudes, oh boy,he exudes anger.
You can almost see heat.
It's all he exudes anger.
You can almost see heat.
It's really fun actually.

Brad (01:19:17):
When she asks him questions.

Dylan (01:19:19):
Oh my god, I can only imagine.

Brad (01:19:21):
He'll be in a game, right, so he's got headphones on so he
can't hear.
And then eventually she's likeCorbett, he's like what he's
like, dinner's ready.
I made that thing.
You like Just a second.
I'm second.
Like what are you doing?
I'm in a game right now whatlike when's the game gonna be

(01:19:42):
over?
And he, just he, he strugglesin transition.
Yeah, so he, that zero to 100is him, it's like peak him, yeah
, 100.
And I I think that's a lot ofkids and I think that's part of
the issue with that.

(01:20:04):
And it's always worse when he'sin a game where it's it's like
highly stressful, yeah, it'shighly anxious, yeah, which is
why it's fun in the moment, butwhy it's so terrible to
transition from.
Oh yeah, because you are justit's same thing Like when you're
driving a car.
Why do I get road rage soeasily?

(01:20:27):
Because your stakes are high.

Dylan (01:20:28):
Whether you know it or not, your body knows the stakes
are high.

Brad (01:20:30):
You're doing an unnatural thing.
You're driving a loaded gun,yeah.

Dylan (01:20:33):
Like people, don't like.

Brad (01:20:35):
You can kill someone at any moment you, I, I am driving
a 6 000 pound missile at 70miles an hour.
Yeah, that I performedmaintenance on myself and it's
funny to your point like it is.
It is amazing how the bodyinnately understands stress when
you, when you're the reasoningeven says this isn't it, I'm
fine your brain is like fine,but your, your body, your body's

(01:20:56):
like no.

Dylan (01:20:56):
If this suddenly stops, yeah, we're fucked and that's
why, like everyone's like, Idon't understand why I get so
tired after a road trip.
I sat the whole time.
You're like your body was understress for four to eight.
However many hours you drove,it's exhausted I could never
understand your body's takingeverything in uh people that
ride motorcycles everywhere.

Brad (01:21:14):
Oh no, shannon knew a guy that she went to grad school
with.
They did night classes inMoline and he was from Macomb.
So that's like an hour and ahalf drive Hard pass.
He's driving home at 10 o'clockat night on a motorcycle Hard
pass.

Dylan (01:21:29):
I mean I'm sure it's cool but stressful as shit.

Brad (01:21:33):
Yeah, I'm just like you it's cool but stressful shit.
Yeah, I'm just like you.
Guys are a different breed.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Yeah.

Brad (01:21:39):
I just couldn't.

Dylan (01:21:44):
I don't think I could manage that.

Brad (01:21:46):
The argument could be that it takes you back to the moment
.
No, you're definitely in themoment, but also that's
exhausting.
Yeah, that's true, I mean it'slike driving the GTX.
It's, you're in the moment, butfuck, if I got to drive that
around every single day.
Maybe that's what I mean.
There's a strong case to goback to that.

(01:22:09):
You might be onto something likehow, how good are you going to
sleep tonight?
I'm going to sleep like afucking baby, like because I had
to do this work and payattention to this thing and
nothing else.
And I even now to say that it'sless safe.
I was like well it doesn't haveany safety features, but it

(01:22:30):
does make you pay attention allthe time.

Dylan (01:22:31):
So it's funny what you're saying, because the
Thunderbirds documentary onNetflix.
I don't know if you watched it,but the Air Force Thunderbirds.

Brad (01:22:43):
Oh, I thought it was Blue Angels Blue.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
Angels is on Amazon.

Dylan (01:22:46):
Netflix did the Thunderbirds, but the
Thunderbirds went through aperiod of significant crashes
and, instead of identifying whathappened, yeah Taking all the
cocaine away I think that's animportant one.
They, they started distancedistancing the airplanes so they

(01:23:07):
, basically, instead of stayingtight, and they were like, oh
well, we can give ourselvesanother six feet, and then, from
the sky to the ground, it stilllooks like we're really tight,
we're giving each other space sothings can happen.
Well, a commanding officer camein six or eight years ago and
they talk about this and he'slike I'm reading the data and

(01:23:28):
it's like no, all we've done iswe've given an incentive to
become sloppier.
I've got room to breathe, so Idon't need to be locked in right
.
And so he started reintroducingtighter minimums and he's like,
not that, they, they increasedtraining, they increased, you
know the, the, the filming, allthe different ways they're

(01:23:50):
identifying where everyone's at,positionally and you know.
And then what the protocolswere and their safety ratings
gone up from accident, likebecause they, they take into
account, like almost misses aswell, of like, oh, that could
have been really bad.
So they talk about how theinfractions have gone down,
because the pilot, by bringingthe minimums in, has to stay

(01:24:11):
more locked in, because theydon't, they don't rule, they
don't rely on.
Oh, I've got space, I don'thave to bring my best game every
day.
They know I need to bring mybest flight because this is
dangerous.
And so you're completely lockedin and I think we maybe there's
some something to be said aboutthat in life as well.
I've got, I've got got some,I've got some room to breathe

(01:24:34):
and you just kind of oh yeah,take your eye off the ball, uh a
lot.

Brad (01:24:40):
It's wow, what was that?
Was that billy bob thorntonmovie from a long time ago?
It was about, uh, bandits.
No, fucking god, that's a.
That's off the wall, yeah Ilike that movie it was about air
traffic controllers.
Uh, friday night lights no god,pushing.

(01:25:01):
I think it was called pushingtin.
I don't know, I've never seenit something like that.
Okay, and it was just howentirely stressful that is, oh
yeah, and also how crazy it isthat we don't have more crashes.

Dylan (01:25:17):
I don't know if you know this, but our current air
traffic safety system is runningon Windows 95 and floppy disks.

Brad (01:25:25):
I mean, I never had a problem with that.
I mean just saying you know, itgot me some pictures of Carmen
Electra back in the day.
Ooh, floppy disks.
I mean it became hard disk, butyeah cd-rom no, that was a
fucking, that was a joke jumpdrive, uh-oh but uh, no, that's

(01:25:51):
my train of thought.
Carm, electro jump drives andhard disks, oh that, but the the
crashes and in the air I I kindof shocked there's not more
crashes in cars.
Yeah, then there is.

(01:26:11):
Let's look up the data for thatnext time.

Dylan (01:26:15):
I have a good one that I'll show you.
We can talk about it.
That'd be interesting, allright, well, we went another 20
minutes after we said we weregoing to close it out.

Brad (01:26:23):
And now you're dying.

Dylan (01:26:24):
I have to piss now, but did you die?
But did you die?
Where is it at?

Brad (01:26:28):
Do it, it's on the first one, but did you die oh?

Dylan (01:26:31):
wow, good job, got it All right.
All right, we'll see you guysnext time.
Hang tight, aaron, loose Cool.

Brad (01:26:38):
Put this one out.
Okay, I'm going to go post itright now.

Dylan (01:26:41):
Okay, all right, bye, bye .

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
You're still here.
It's over.
Go home, go.
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