July 7, 2025 • 51 mins
When 70-year-old Michael Chambers disappeared from his Quinlan, Texas workshop in March 2017, he left behind more questions than answers. After decades as a respected Dallas firefighter, Michael had settled into retirement enjoying his classic cars, woodcutting, and time with family. All that changed when his wife Becca returned home from work to find his truck in the driveway but no sign of her husband of 37 years.
Inside his locked workshop, the scene was puzzling – his wallet sat on the counter with cash still inside, but his driver's license was missing. Expensive tools remained untouched. Most disturbingly, drops of blood dotted the floor in what one expert would later describe as looking "too perfect" – almost staged. Michael's phone was gone, and when authorities tracked its final movements, they discovered a strange pattern: the device had traveled to the Two Mile Bridge over Lake Tawakoni twice that day, once at driving speed and later at the pace of a bicycle.
The investigation took unexpected turns as Michael's wife canceled his phone service just ten days after his disappearance, sold his truck, and initiated proceedings to have him declared legally dead within months. During polygraph questioning, she revealed a history of extramarital affairs, including one that had ended just five months earlier. While investigators cleared her of involvement, these actions raised eyebrows among Michael's children and community members.
For six long years, the case remained unsolved until human remains were discovered in 2022 near Highway 276, not far from the bridge where Michael's phone last pinged. An old bicycle was found nearby – adding another layer to the mystery, as family members insisted there had still been a bike at the house after his disappearance. Was this elaborately staged suicide by a man with bad knees who somehow bicycled miles to a nine-foot bridge? Or was it murder disguised as something else?
Join us as we examine the evidence, theories, and lingering questions in this Texas mystery that continues to divide a family and community. Subscribe to hear more cases where the line between truth and speculation remains tantalizingly blurred.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome all of you on into crime lovers I'm Brandy
and I'm Chris and this is Texaswine and true crime lovers I'm
Brandi.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And I'm Chris.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And this is Texas Wine and True Crime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
the Disappearance and Death ofMichael Chambers.
Chris, great to be back in thestudio with you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It is great to be back in the studio with you too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's great to be in the same house as you.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
No more virtual visits or Zoom meetings visits
virtual or zoom meetings.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's like it was COVID.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Um, we are back we are back in the studio.
Um, we are in a new Mexicostudio but we will be covering
cases all over just like we do.
Uh, still bringing our friendsTexas wine.
Maybe we're going to throw insome New Mexico wine.
I've learned a lot about NewMexican grapes that some of our
Texas winemakers get from herein the great state of New Mexico
(01:11):
.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So lots to come.
There are quite a few wineriesthat we will be able to go.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Explore.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Explore.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Learn more about New Mexico wine.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Perhaps be purveyors of those wineries.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yes, but I know we've had a lot of people ask like is
anything going to change?
No, we're staying as we are,but you know just a different
setting and you know differentnew things to come.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Just have a New Mexico compound now, that's
right.
There's no ice raids here.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No ice raids here.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
No National Guard deployed.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But, speaking of our friends and all of our loved
ones in Texas, we know peoplepersonally that have been
affected by the floods, wineriesthat are down there, friends
who had children at camp, thatare down there, friends who had
children at camp and this is avery difficult time for our
friends dealing with such atragedy.
(02:11):
So our hearts go out to them.
We are keeping you in ourthoughts and our prayers.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And we're going to get through this because
everybody holds strong in Texas.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I would agree with that statement.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Just a very difficult time.
So we want to let everybodyknow that if you're affected,
we're here and I'm praying foryou guys.
All right, chris, we've got alot to cover in this case, so
let's hop right in.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We shall.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So Michael Glenn Chambers, a retired Dallas
firefighter, disappeared onMarch 10th 2017 from his home in
Quinlan, texas.
So at the time, he is a70-year-old father, grandfather,
husband, friend, someone thatloved his family and spent time
(03:00):
with him on a regular basis.
He was a very involved father,grandfather.
He was married at the time.
It was his second marriage but,chris, they had been married
for 37 years at the time of hisdeath.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Good amount of time.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Good amount of time.
He had been a Dallasfirefighter for over three
decades and was well-respectedin the community.
So he went into retirement in2008.
And at that time he spent mostof his time with family, like
you do after retirement.
He has other passions he workson classic cars, he goes to car
(03:36):
shows, he's got grandkids, he'sgot a wife.
You know he's living a70-year-old retirement life.
He was a church deacon as well,at First Baptist Church, so he
was a member of a car club likejust an involved guy.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's the big church that's in downtown Dallas,
correct?
I don't know, I think so.
I'm just I.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, they live in Quinlan.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Still could drive into Dallas for church.
He was a Dallas firefighter.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That's right.
He was I don't know where hisfirst Baptist.
I think you actually might beright, the one I think I see on
the TV yeah, they have like theprogram on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think that is one.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah.
Just a segue, sorry, so just areally involved guy in different
aspects, enjoying thatretirement life.
And so it seems so.
On that Friday morning in March, michael says goodbye to his
wife.
She leaves for work, he'spreparing for his day what she
had planned to spend on workingon cars, doing different things
(04:39):
around the house.
He would.
He would cut firewood.
He had a little shop um, likeyou know, I would, it was like a
little car mechanic shop areawhere he did a lot of work like
I have now yeah, like you canpull a car in.
Do you know work on.
Like I said, he was a big carguy and so he has this.
(05:01):
Uh, you know, I was looking atpictures of this and I thought
you know what a great space fora guy who's retired, who loves
working on cars, and you know.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
A boy can dream.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, right, like he has his own time.
His wife is still currentlyworking, so he has.
You know, he has that time tobe able to go into his space and
do his passion and love.
So that's where his plans thatday, and later that morning his
wife calls him and asks him tograb her some makeup at Walmart.
(05:38):
Okay, later that evening.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So this is about 1030 , 11 o'clock.
Would you have trusted me with?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
that task.
It says.
I read specifically she askedfor mascara, which might be kind
of easy to find.
Like I was thinking about thata little bit, because any time
you have a case like this, in myopinion, you kind of got to
look for all of these things and, chris, I think that's a very
(06:08):
good point is, I would nottypically go and ask you to go
and pick up certain things forme, one of those being makeup.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh, I bet I could get you.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But you yes, but I think, if I sent you in and said
hey, you know what?
Go to Maybelline, find me amascara.
I think you.
I sent you in and said hey, youknow what, go to Maybelline,
find me a mascara.
I think you could right.
So I have no doubt that thisguy could probably have done
this for her and we know he wasat the Walmart because we will
eventually talk about this.
But he's seen on video enteringand leaving Walmart.
So she makes this call to him.
(06:40):
I'm going to say late morningabout him going to the store.
So not long after that he isseen on video entering and
leaving Walmart.
So later that evening after workhours she texts him as she's
leaving her job.
But he never responded to thattext.
(07:01):
So she arrives home and shesees the truck at the house but
there's no sign of him.
The house is quiet, the garagedoor is closed.
I did read he would typicallyleave the garage door open for
her when she would come homefrom work, but we know the
(07:21):
garage door was actually closedthat day.
She calls his phone.
It goes to voicemail.
She's trying to reach him.
She can't get a hold of him.
She starts calling familymembers to see if they've
actually heard from him.
Now she remembered that michaelhad mentioned to her that he
was gonna go and do those fewthings.
(07:42):
Cut the firewood.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That's a separate property, though.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, it's like in the back of the property.
Yeah, it's not like in the homehe has, like a shop which is
separate, like a detached garageI would kind of almost call it,
but it was an actual shop whereyou could pull in a car.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So it has some distance.
Ten acres is a pretty good sizeplot yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Well, and also she didn't really feel like she
could search that all herself.
So she starts calling someneighbors and to see if they can
help find him.
But there is no sign of him.
Now the garage shop that Imentioned it was actually locked
.
So Becca goes and gets the keysand then goes inside.
(08:24):
Now, there were tools in there,they find his wallet in there,
there are the keys, His keys arein there.
And here's the thing.
I go back to the shop beinglocked and the keys are inside.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So I'm just going to say that.
Well, I mean, somebody couldhave turned the lock.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I don't know what kind of lock we're dealing with.
She couldn't get in without akey Because we know she goes
back to get a key.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Like a regular bathroom door, you know just
when you push it closed.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You lock it behind you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Not a deadbolt.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
No, not a deadbolt.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So you could lock it behind you.
I, if it was that type we don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But right so we're.
There's a couple of theories inthis case.
Right, so we're going to kindof talk about both of those
theories.
Um, but he could have locked itif he had the ability to lock
behind him, close the door,leaving keys inside and then
exiting and going.
Or you had someone else with akey who locked the door after
(09:33):
they left because it had to getlocked somehow.
So either he did it or someoneelse did it.
Well, once they go in and theyfind these things, but they
don't find him, she then noticesthat there's blood on the floor
.
So about an hour after theybegin searching for him, they
decide that this is enough,they've seen enough, they're
(09:55):
going to go ahead and call 911and report him missing.
So deputies come on and they'regoing to take a look at the
scene.
They're going to be looking forany signs that Michael could
have been a victim of a robbery.
Remember, there is blood on theground.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And so that's concerning, because now they
think was he hit over the headand then kidnapped?
Because he's nowhere to befound?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, it's just blood .
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's just blood Right and brought somewhere else.
Nothing, but nothing lookedlike okay.
First of all, nothing was taken.
There was money in the wallet,there were expensive tools,
there were things of value inthat shop.
The one thing that was missing,though, chris, was his driver's
(10:42):
license.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It all just kind of laid out in one.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It was just kind of on top of the you know where you
would put your stuff cominginto work on a car.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You know, but also like an individual, like
somebody emptying their pocketsprobably is way different than
somebody who's you know killedsomebody and then empties their
pockets and throwing their stuff, taking their stuff out.
You know what I mean.
Like was it more organized, butI guess we don't really know.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I mean, I think that some of it was found.
I know the wallet was on thecounter, like he had placed it
there.
The blood was found on thefloor, I would say more of in a
circular motion, so it lookedlike whatever had happened
happened in this particular spot.
But if you're going to rob,right, so let's just talk about
(11:32):
robbery.
If you're going to rob someone,you haven't taken anything of
value but him, so he's the onlything that isn't there, besides
also the driver's license andthe cell phone Okay, so those
two things that are actuallymissing.
So when they get out there andthe wallet's on the counter,
(11:54):
police are noticing that thedriver's license is gone.
His family points out that his12-gauge shotgun and all those
expensive tools have beenuntouched.
They are exactly where theywould typically be.
And and again, he had about athousand dollars, I think,
(12:14):
probably around eight, ninehundred a thousand dollars in
his truck yeah, all those toolsand, like I said, the gun,
that's a lot of money, right.
So we can.
Sort of police are probablythinking you know, this probably
was not a robbery, but who justwants to injure a man because
(12:35):
they have blood on the floor.
Now, they don't know whoseblood it is at this time, but
they see blood on the floor,right, and it's enough to at
least get them concerned thatsomething might have happened to
him and they can't get a holdof him.
Then I thought why take adriver's license?
Why take a driver's license inyour phone?
(12:59):
You know, again, it's hard,because if you're somebody
coming in to attack him and totake him and kidnap him, why are
you taking his license?
You're more likely as anindividual to pull your license
out and keep it on you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, I mean, unless somebody thinks they can't
identify the body, that makes itmore difficult.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
But I mean, I don't know, but are you thinking about
that, as you're knockingsomeone over the head and
kidnapping them and trying to dothis without anyone noticing on
this property?
I mean, are you thatcomfortable?
And then you're just going togo pluck the license?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well, they're on the property of this person, so it's
not like it's.
I don't know.
It isn't a odd thing to think.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Right If we're saying that another individual was in
there and responsible for this,right, yeah, okay.
So Becca Chambers tells policethat she had talked to her
husband earlier in the day,asked him to go and pick up the
makeup.
So they want to start figuringout what he actually did that
day.
Uh, when we see last seen.
(14:07):
So they start pullingsurveillance footage and they
see him come out of the walmartin quinlan.
So they know he purchased theitems because, chris, those
items are actually found in thebag on the counter.
So they know he actually wentto the store.
They know he bought the itemsbecause they find the purchase.
(14:28):
So he is seeing he is.
And this is really the lastknown sighting confirmed
sighting of him was on thatvideo exiting the Walmart.
You see him get into his truckand then he's headed into the
direction of home.
So nothing seems out of theordinary as he's leaving Walmart
.
So police are pulling his cellphone data at this point because
(14:51):
they have no phone to try andtrack.
You know where was he going,where could he have gone?
Because right now they haveblood, they have a missing man
and you know they're trying totrack him and figure out.
What else did he do that day?
And his phone actually pingsnear the two mile bridge over
(15:13):
lake tuakiti.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So investigators kind of close to quentlyn oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
But here's the weird thing about this Once they kind
of figure out how long, sothey're watching the video.
They figure out, based on cellphone ping and travel from point
A, which would have been thehome, they're theorizing that he
(15:43):
had left the shop becausethere's blood on the ground and
then ended up at two mile bridgeover Lake Tawakonee.
But, chris, they said it, therate he would have been moving
about 4.2 miles an hour.
So they don't think he actuallytraveled this by car.
They believed, based on the,the, the average speed and the
(16:08):
timing, based on the phone ping,is walked that.
No, on a bike.
They figured he was on a bike.
This made the most sense.
But here's the thing you have aseven and, by the way, even
though it's kind of close, chris, I really actually think this
is about, I would say this isover 10 to 12 miles of a bike
(16:32):
ride.
This is a 70-year-old man whohas bad knees, who is again 70
years old.
Is he active?
Sure, but to me it just doesn'tmake.
(16:52):
This isn't making a whole lotof sense.
So you but and for police, andthey were able to determine that
the last known activityoccurred about 5.50 pm in the
Lake Tawakoni area.
So what they do know is heactually had gone that direction
(17:13):
at some point by car that day,but then actually returned by
bicycle.
So there are multiple theoriesout there of these phone pings.
Why would he then go?
Is he scoping out the placewhere he is about to, you know,
(17:33):
take his own life?
Because this is, you know, thisis what police think.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
This is a lot of suicide.
Why the blood?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
All right, well, we're going to talk about that.
I know I'm just pulling it overin my brain.
This is blood of pump.
It Suicide.
Why the blood?
All right, well, we're going totalk about that.
I know, I'm just and it is hisblood.
By the way, it is his blood.
They end up taking DNA off ofthat blood and it is his, but
because of this ping on his cellphone by the lake, this leads
investigators to look at thepossibility that he may have
taken his own life by jumpingoff the bridge.
(18:04):
But again, he had bad knees andthis is kind of met with
skepticism from you know, hiskids, other family members,
people that knew him personally,and so this was remember.
At this point we have no body,right.
They're just trying to figureout where this man is.
(18:25):
Yeah, so they run the DNA onthe blood found in the workshop
and it is confirmed to belong tohim.
Like I mentioned, they broughtin a blood spatter expert who
examined the crime scene andfound that the direct round
blood drops appeared to be tooperfect as though someone drops
like a dropper, okay, so let'stalk about this for a minute,
(18:49):
because you're my medicalprofessional, okay.
Okay.
So let's I want to talk aboutjust common sense mindset,
because I, like you, know when,when we look at these cases and
there's mystery behind them, Ilike to think what, not what I
(19:12):
would do, but what are peoplemost likely going to do in this
particular mindset?
Okay, so, let's say he did, hewas going to take his life.
Okay, why is he going to gothrough the effort to then draw
his own blood, take his ownblood, splatter, spatter it
(19:35):
around his workshop, lock hisdoor, take his ID to identify
his body, because I'm going toassume that was part of the
reason is why that license wastaken.
Um, are you worried about that?
Are you worried about that?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, I can tell you this that he was a Dallas
firefighter.
They're all paramedics, somepeople are grandfathered in, so
he would have access.
I mean, did you have tooccasionally draw labs?
If somebody's coming in on anambulance, they might go ahead
and get some different colortops drawn.
So I mean, either have somebodydo it or he knows I'd do it
(20:14):
himself.
I mean, I could draw my ownblood.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Okay, I'm glad we're talking about this, because I
didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean different vials have different types of
preservatives in there to beable to keep it.
I guess I mean don't get melying and saying how long a
specimen in a vial lasts, evenwith a preservative or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Right, because the expert concluded, Chris, that
the blood was staged to him tomake it appear as though there
had been a kidnapping orabduction.
The expert also said that thebright red color of the blood
could suggest the presence of ananticoagulant of the blood
could suggest the presence of ananticoagulant, yeah, which
would indicate that it was insome type of.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I mean, because even you couldn't just go somewhere
and have your blood drawn andexpect them to give you the
blood they just drew, that'sright, I mean that just isn't
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
So how much volume of blood are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, the experts speculated that the blood had
been preserved.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I know, I'm just saying like how much blood was
on the floor, because each likewhen they go draw one tube of
blood it's probably about threemilliliters, 3.5 it's a.
You know I mean ranging thereyou probably don't remember the
picture, but I had pictures thatwe looked through um, and I'll
show that to you again, and italmost looks like a perfect kind
of circle, like just the wayyou know it's dropped on the
(21:40):
ground because and that's thingtoo, is that the average that's
an easy thing for somebody inthis scenario to obtain is, you
know, like a, a blood draw kitand some vials, versus like
going and having like a when yougo donate blood and they take a
big bag that has a preservativein there as well.
But I mean, who the heck?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Okay, so that's that's.
That's that's People, peopleTheory one right yeah, medical
people don't have that, yeah, sothat's it.
He takes his own.
The second part of this is thenit's if he's not responsible
for the, for his own demise, andsomeone else is responsible,
(22:22):
how do they then get his blood?
If, if indeed, we say that it'sstage because this is what the
experts.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I don't know even the presence of an anticoagulant
You'd have to keep it fresh,like heparin.
No, I mean it's not aboutkeeping it fresh.
I mean it may stay in a fridge.
It has like heparin in there,but I don't know.
Was this guy taking a bloodthinner?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Just saying so.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You're saying the anticoagulant could have been
because you take a daily bloodthinner, then that's, like some,
why some people can't havesurgeries that to hold it They'd
have to take an alternativemedication.
Sometimes they'll check yourclotting numbers.
I mean, I don't know, but alsoto don't give me a line.
I don't know if that'ssomething you can test in your
blood, though, to see ifsomebody's on that see if
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somebody's on that.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I just know, like that's well, that he, the expert
, was saying because of thebright red color of it, the how
red it was when it was found.
That is what made him suggestthat there was a presence of an
anti-coagulation that there's apresence well, and they
speculated that it had beenpreserved in a vial and then
intentionally spattered tosuggest a crime scene.
I mean, this is what the expertsays.
(23:36):
But you know, I think aboutthis and I mean how many, how
many crime scenes are theseblood experts looking at?
I mean, they they test bloodthey use if somebody has been
hit over the head, they willreenact the actual motion to see
if this person could cause this.
And so I guess I'm thinking oflike this is a very interesting
(23:59):
theory to come out with as anexpert.
On your first shot, right, hedidn't say, oh, this wasn't like
an eventual thing.
He kind of said this looksstaged to me, really kind of out
of the gate once I startedlooking, looking at the blood
presence.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And so the question remains I would have thought all
of his belongings would haveset that in motion, though too
like what do you?
Mean just having his belongingskind of sitting there on the on
the table okay, explain whatyou mean, I know, I know what
you're talking about, but whatdo you mean?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
like like stage?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
that everything would just kind of be lying and
sitting right there, like.
Like I said, if somebody was inthere to like take him and
abduct him, do they go to thetrouble of like removing all of
his items?
I mean, and I mean just that.
That to me is well.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I think we can assume that he removed the items from
his cell for having them in hishand.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I wouldn't expect someone to take out his wallet
and put it on the counter, yeah,but I mean it's just.
Yeah, there's like a lot oflittle things.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
That's weird, yeah, well.
And also, are you going to gothrough all this if you're about
to go take your life?
You know, I don't, I mean Well.
I mean, I don't, I mean well.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I mean, I don't know, I've started.
You know, people take off theirjewelry or whatever.
Like you know, the you know,the mob movies when the guy
knows he's about to go and wedon't know what's going through
their heads.
They'll take off their ringsand jewelry and put their wallet
money in the drawer.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
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Okay, chris.
So on March 20th, just 10 daysafter her husband goes missing,
becca made a change to her cellphone plan.
She removes Justin's phone fromthe family plan and also
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suspended Michael's service.
So Justin is the chamber'sadopted son.
Justin is the chamber's adoptedson.
Now the relationship betweenthe three wasn't perfect, but it
had been determined that Justinhad an alibi during the
disappearance and toldauthorities you know he might
have not agreed with everythingthat his father said or wanted
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for you know his future orwhatever those conversations.
I know that there had beenrecent discussions over finances
, which again is one of thereasons now when we talk about
where this case is today thatthere could have been some
financial issues going on inthis family that maybe would
have drove him to then jump offthe bridge and take his life.
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But his adopted son had analibi and he said that, even
though they didn't agree oneverything, he would never have
hurt him.
He would have never hurt hisdad.
Some family members raisedquestions about why his wife
would cancel the service, givingthat it could provide crucial
evidence.
Wife would cancel the service,giving that it could provide
crucial evidence.
But others said that she wasmaking this change for financial
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reasons, and I always go backto Wouldn't they already have
that evidence though?
What do you?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
mean Any of the cell phone data.
The evidence like haven't theyalready at this point 10?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
days, though I don't know.
I I mean, I don't know ifthere's something that could
probably be found on your phone.
If this was you, I'm notcertain if cutting the phone
would be my first thought tosave money well, if it has like
especially if they can't find itand they think he has it on him
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or at least wherever he.
You know, wherever he is, Idon't know.
It kind of sat weird with me,but there are people who
understand that when you're ofthat age yeah, and you need
money.
You know that would be the onlyway to ping a tower that's right
and so um, you know, I don'tknow, it's 10 days a little
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quick.
Some people in the familythought it was, but you know she
said she was doing it forfinancial reasons.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I mean, yeah, I guess I don't know what their
financial mean, being that hewas a firefighter and had a
pension.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yes, but I don't know which she went to collect, who
doesn't live beyond theirpensions?
Then she stated and told afamily member that she was going
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to sell Michael's truck.
Shortly after the phoneincident, which she did end up
selling it, she told hisdaughter from the previous
marriage that she wanted toobtain a temporary death
certificate for him and wasreally just trying to assure the
daughter that this was onlytemporary.
But this really is to collectthe pension and to start being
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able to collect money.
You know it's, I know we knowmoney's not everything, but
sometimes maybe money is a lotto people.
And again, we don't know howpeople react in this sort of way
.
You know, did she know moreabout their personal life that
maybe eventually will come out?
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But you know was she?
Did she know?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Why would she have to ask the daughter?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, because this is a grown adult woman.
These are his kids and theywant to know where their dad is.
Right Because at this point,they don't have a body and they
don't have any Since they aregrown and out of the house.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I guess I'm just wondering why she even has to
consult with her.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's not that she has to.
I think she just wanted to,because how suspicious, would it
look, if you didn't I?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
think it looks, because I can't think of any
reason you would need atemporary death certificate.
I mean, if please somebodycorrect me, but I don't know why
you'd need a temporary one.
Either you're dead or you'renot.
So what do you do?
You untemporary it if you findthe body.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I've just never heard of that before, but it actually
ended up being that, chris, shefound out that her dad had been
declared dead just two monthsafter he disappeared.
I mean, it became confirmed.
No, no, no two months.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I know I'm saying that, I'm just like.
I guess my point is is thatit's shady either way, like sure
so why it's even shadier,though, if you don't tell
anybody.
But I just still think it's atthat point too.
That's when you.
I would think the jig could beup for her pretty quickly.
Right If she's doing thetemporary death certificate,
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because I mean somebody mightget nosy and reach out to the
police about this too and justsay, hey, this is my stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I'm sure it's been a.
I mean, it's been a topic ofconversation.
It doesn't I mean people couldgo and read about this case.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It's just a weird move, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
We can move on, oh the cell phone selling the truck
, having him declared dead twomonths after he disappeared,
when they haven't even found himyet.
Because at this point, you know, I guess I'm thinking to myself
, we're still looking for, likeif I'm, if I'm the daughter,
we're still looking for my dad.
Nobody's found my dad, so he'smissing.
But now she's declaring himdead.
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How does she know he's dead?
Why would she think he's dead?
And so I think, as a, as adaughter, those are probably the
thoughts that are running inher mind.
But again, she was.
You know, the family was alittle shocked on how fast some
of these things were moving.
Most of the close family membershave taken polygraphs and have
passed.
During that polygraph, whichhis wife did take, it was
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disclosed and opened that shehad had multiple affairs during
her marriage, during hermarriage.
This, you know, this is a long,this 30 something year marriage
, but she had actually just beenseeing another man and she had
told police.
It ended five months before hewent missing.
(33:44):
So this isn't like she had anaffair 10 years into their
marriage she was having affairs.
10 years into their marriageshe was having affairs.
I don't know how often, but weknow that she admitted and that
it was confirmed that she hadbeen seeing someone several
months before he went missing.
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So is the thought of your wifeand she will tell police that
she thinks he knew.
He never said anything to herabout it or confronted her about
it, but she believed that heknew about, about the affair.
You know, did he continuouslyput up with this for 30
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something years and know thisabout his wife, and could that
have driven him to the point todisappear?
You know, I don't know.
Police believe there weremultiple things going on in this
man's life that would havegiven them reason why he would
have taken his life, finances,the affair not so great, of
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maybe a relationship in marriage.
But again, she tells and she'sopen about this affair, um, but
that she thought her husbandknew and he just didn't say
anything I don't know, you makeit to 70 that's what I'm saying.
You're killing yourself overyour wife cheating on you right
and so, and so it wasn't oneaffair.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Classic cars and go hit the road.
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, and it wasn't one affair, right?
This isn't like she had theaffair five months and this was
the only one.
Why wouldn't he have done this15 years ago if this would have
been a constant issue?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
That's what sounds so odd.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That Right it sounds so odd Issue that angle.
But could it have played a part?
We don't know.
Police said that Becca hadpassed the other parts of the
polygraph and based on thoseresults they eventually rule her
out as a suspect in hisdisappearance.
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They actually interview the manshe had been seeing.
He admitted to the fair but hehad an alibi for the day of the
disappearance, so they don'tthink he had actually anything
to do with this either yeah, andthe fact that she took a lot of
polygraph, you know, is um shedid I mean, is risky on her part
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too, you know, if she well andshe admitted to the affairs.
I mean, I think she knew she wasgonna.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
If she lied, they were gonna know she lied well, I
know, and I'm just saying too,like that's um, you know, I
think people are they're goingto just sit down and take a lie,
to take her test or less likelyto be guilty.
I mean, because that's notsomething you just or your error
again.
I think you can pass it whetheror not it's admissible, and
core just the having it outthere in the open that you
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failed one.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Well, they're not admissible,but there is the fact that they
took them.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
There's not that many arrogant people that just think
they pass a polygraph.
I mean, you know, think theypass a polygraph.
I mean you know maybe world'sdumbest criminals, but you know
the um, you know that'ssomebody's gonna.
If they're, if they're askingto do all that, they're gonna.
If they're, if they're anyinkling of being involved,
they're gonna probably lawyer up.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I would think that's just my opinion so, chris, it is
rumored that his daughter got amessage over facebook um a few
months into her father'sdisappearance and a person
claimed that they knew where thebody was, that he had been
murdered, and claimed that thewife and another man had killed
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him.
She calls the police and theyquestioned the authenticity of
this information because theperson who put in this tip was a
convicted felon.
So were they trying to getsomething for themselves?
I'm sure they investigated thattip.
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Nothing probably came much ofit.
A cell phone expert was broughtin to learn more about his exact
route on the day he wentmissing and then the forensics
the forensic analysis based onthat cell phone, showed that
Michael had left his house thatmorning, drove through Quinlan
to the two-mile bridge, wentpast the bridge and stopped for
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10 to 15 minutes.
Later that that day, around2.30, michael went back to the
same location and that's wherethe signal of the phone stopped.
They believe the first time wasby car.
The second time would have beenby bicycle.
So did they think that he wentto see where he was going to do
this, where he was going to goand what he was going to do, and
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look at this and then decide togo back.
But here's another thing that Ijust it's not a big bridge.
Okay, but here's the thing aboutthis too why, if you were going
to take, if you were going tojump off a bridge, okay, but
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it's not a big hold on.
Why are you going to ride abike back?
What is the point of that?
Why would you just touch her?
Why do you care who find like Iget, I can't get past.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I guess, leaving the car there.
So, like I said, once again,all your belongings and
therefore your family.
But if you're going to jump offa bridge, it's not going to be
the Lake Tawakoni Bridge.
I mean, it's 15 feet high, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I don't know, and it's water.
Are you going to?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
dive in the water.
You don't know how to swim.
Like you're gonna dive in thewater, you don't know how to
swim.
I mean he tight bind your, tieyour legs and hands, or a brick
to your leg or something I don'tknow now.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Now I will say that this movement is weird.
The movement of the phonepinging to the two mile bridge
is weird, but we don't have anywitnesses and we don't have CC
footage.
Just because his cell phone ispinging, does it really mean he
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was the one doing this travel?
I mean, do we?
I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
They just don't know Somebody that had his phone.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Right, so, but why are you going to drive Now?
He stopped for 10 to 15 minutes.
Was he like kind of scoping outthe area where he was going to
be, I mean, but then you go backby bike.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
But if something happened?
He left Walmart and somethingimmediately happened there.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well, no, they know he went home because the bag of
stuff was found at the house.
So, no, they don't thinkanything happened at Walmart.
But could he have been followed?
Sure, could he have gone into ashop and someone, but they
didn't see anything coming outof the Walmart parking lot.
That would really kind of makethem think that, since the data
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showed that he was onlytraveling about 4.2 miles per
hour, they did determine thatMichael had to have been
traveling on bicycle, whichpolice were unable to locate.
So here's the weird thing aboutthis whole bike thing Um, um.
But before we get into that,his body is found.
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Okay, his body is discoveredwith an old bicycle, not far
with the bones are found, okay,at this point.
So it was, I think November of2022 is when the remains, the
bones were found.
In 2023.
(41:34):
It was announced that the bonesdid match him, so they did find
the body of Michael Chambers.
So this is six years after hewas reported missing.
Now let's talk about the bikes,because here's another issue
with the bike.
I couldn't and maybe I knowthere's a lot of people familiar
with this case, I know thereare people who have lived in
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this area know this family.
I need the mystery of the twobikes solved because, chris, a
bike was found at the house,that there was an actual bike
found at the house.
So people, some people did notbelieve that the bike that was
actually found near the boneswould belong to him.
But then.
But so here's where things geta little muddy.
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Family says bike was at thehouse, couldn't be him.
But police believe he wastraveling by bike because of the
rate of speed on the ping ofthe phone.
So a little was there, anotherbike was.
Did he get another bike?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Maybe they killed him there and then somebody rode a
bike from the.
I mean, that's some planningahead.
They also searched this area.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
They had the phone pings.
They didn't find a body earlyon, like that is another bizarre
thing about this case for me.
Six years later and they'refound off Highway 276, not far
from the bridge, and now youhave bones in a bike, and so I
know people can go missing andpeople search these areas and
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nothing is found.
And then eventually they arefound, but still a little bit of
a mystery.
And why Was it it his bike?
Was he actually traveling bybike?
They believe that he actuallywas, but they also know that
there was actually a bike foundin the garage.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Um, 4.2 miles an hour is really slow he has bad knees
.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
I don't know why he would.
Why do you just want to makethings harder on yourself?
Your last moments of life, likethat's what I'm.
That's where my head goes.
Am I gonna just get on a bikeand then have to go and with bad
knees and make this and and forwhat?
What does it matter if theyfind my car?
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I'm not gonna be here anymoreand I don't want to be here
anymore.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
So what does it matter?
Maybe he wanted to leave thatthing, those things, for his
family, so they did.
There wasn't just a car.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I mean it just seems odd, doesn't really fit that
profile of someone who wouldwant to take their own life.
But you never know.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Well, and also, what about the money when it comes to
taking your life, when it comesto insurance, when some
policies will not pay out oncertain things, when it involves
suicide, there are differentclauses with that.
We have known people Listen,I've covered and read about
cases that people fake their own, that they pretend that they
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were abducted and killed andreally they took their life.
But their family was able toget the insurance because they
were considered missing andmurdered, right, so they tried
to just set it up that way.
Was he done, trying to set itup for his family?
You know, I don't know, I don'tknow.
Very, very just strangemovements that day, in my
opinion.
So the bridge, chris, it'sactually nine feet high, so it's
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not tall at all.
But then I think of I kind ofknow this area a little bit.
You can probably envision it inyour head.
I know we've been there before.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
It's the equivalent of going over the lake of Lake
Ray Hubbard.
I mean, the bridge is exactlythe same height, which is not
very tall.
It's like the boats are rightunderneath you.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, and so you know why this bridge?
Why was he traveling earlierthere that day and then ended up
there later and then eventuallyfound?
Speaker 2 (45:31):
in that area.
Quinlan is in close proximityto Tawakonee Right.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, chris, this case, you know, found in that
area.
Quinlan is in close proximityto like Tawakoni Right.
So yeah, um, chris, this caseis it's actually where um Ashley
lived.
Yeah, yeah, right over there.
So the family is still lookingfor answers.
There's a lot of people there,um, if you want to do your own
research on this case, you can.
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There are family members whobelieve that there are other
people responsible for whathappened to him.
There's a lot of people thatdon't believe that he would have
taken his life.
He had grandkids, he hadretired, he was a well-respected
part of his community, he hadbeen a Dallas firefighter for,
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you know, a long time, and sothey, they are, they're just
they.
They just don't think he wouldhave done this.
And I know that that is hardwhen it comes to somebody.
We love making a decision likethat.
There's a lot of unknown.
There's a a lot of uncertainty.
We don't really know what goeson in people's heads or behind
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closed doors.
We don't know if, um, heactually had brought.
It's hard for me to believethat a man had been married to
someone for 30 something yearsand knew about affairs and never
discussed it.
It's a little odd to me.
But hey, if he knew, if he, if,if there were nefarious things
going on in his marriage and hewas just tired of it.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (47:00):
yeah, maybe he was just tired of it and then wanted
to make sure that the familywas left with some money.
Um, her actions very early onin his disappearance raised a
lot of red flags for the familyand wanting to understand why
she was selling his things andkind of treating this case as if
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he wasn't coming back.
So, you know, did she know morethan she was letting on?
You know, and unfortunatelyshe's the first person they're
going to look at and when thesethings come out it might make
her look bad, but it doesn'tmake her a killer.
And you know, and and and theyhad cleared her and she had
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taken a poly, and so, you know,was he dealing with more
personal demons than people knew?
And maybe he just was, you know, maybe he lived a good life and
and we just ran out of shit andjust yeah.
I mean listen people people taketheir lives for a lot less
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reasons, and so I don't want todisregard the fact that somebody
can.
Just just because you as afamily member don't think they
could ever do, that Doesn't meanthey would never do that, and
unfortunately that just goeswith having no answers and just
grieving and agonizing over this.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
But they could just wake up and say I'm sick of
making popcorn.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah, sick of making popcorn.
Yeah, our kids are on like afull popcorn diet, so but you
know?
But if the family stronglybelieves that this is not what
happened to him and that thiswas a staged scene by someone
else, to throw off, but onceagain I mean how much they dig
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into that.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
It's somebody's opinion.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, what if it wasn't staged?
That's they say.
What if it?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
wasn't staged.
That's what I mean.
What if it wasn't staged?
What if it, just becausesomebody says, well it has the
appearance it's bright, I meanokay.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Well, if it wasn't staged, then he was hit over the
head and taken.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Right, well, I mean, that's what I'm saying the door
after you don't know I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
You've hit someone over the head and you're getting
them in a vehicle in the broaddaylight and you're trying to
get nobody to see somebody tookthe trouble to empty all their
pockets and also pull a pulldriver's license out of their
wallet, so it doesn't meansomebody wouldn't stop and just
lock the door so it wouldfurther delay somebody entering
that, you know true, the garage.
So so either this was just avery well-planned out suicide or
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murder.
And you know, there is just adifference.
There's just a very differenceof opinion in this case.
When it comes to local people,people who know about this case
I mean again, he was missing forsix years.
I remember this.
I mean I remember when he wentmissing and reading and
listening about it.
But where this case is now isthey believe that he had taken
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his life and that there's reallynothing pointing and that the
whole thing was staged and thathe had probably set this up
himself, you know, in order tothrow people off and think that
he was taken.
But really you know he wasn't.
But I can tell you that thefamily is still looking for
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answers and you know, maybe inthe future we may or may not
know any more about this case.
Thank you.
Welcome all of you on into crime lovers I'm Brandy
and I'm Chris and this is Texaswine and true crime lovers I'm
Brandi.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And I'm Chris.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And this is Texas Wine and True Crime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
the Disappearance and Death ofMichael Chambers.
Chris, great to be back in thestudio with you.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It is great to be back in the studio with you too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It's great to be in the same house as you.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
No more virtual visits or Zoom meetings visits
virtual or zoom meetings.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
It's like it was COVID.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Um, we are back we are back in the studio.
Um, we are in a new Mexicostudio but we will be covering
cases all over just like we do.
Uh, still bringing our friendsTexas wine.
Maybe we're going to throw insome New Mexico wine.
I've learned a lot about NewMexican grapes that some of our
Texas winemakers get from herein the great state of New Mexico
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.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
So lots to come.
There are quite a few wineriesthat we will be able to go.
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Explore.
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Explore.
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Learn more about New Mexico wine.
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Perhaps be purveyors of those wineries.
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Yes, but I know we've had a lot of people ask like is
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No, we're staying as we are,but you know just a different
setting and you know differentnew things to come.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Just have a New Mexico compound now, that's
right.
There's no ice raids here.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
No ice raids here.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
No National Guard deployed.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
But, speaking of our friends and all of our loved
ones in Texas, we know peoplepersonally that have been
affected by the floods, wineriesthat are down there, friends
who had children at camp, thatare down there, friends who had
children at camp and this is avery difficult time for our
friends dealing with such atragedy.
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So our hearts go out to them.
We are keeping you in ourthoughts and our prayers.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
And we're going to get through this because
everybody holds strong in Texas.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I would agree with that statement.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Just a very difficult time.
So we want to let everybodyknow that if you're affected,
we're here and I'm praying foryou guys.
All right, chris, we've got alot to cover in this case, so
let's hop right in.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
We shall.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
So Michael Glenn Chambers, a retired Dallas
firefighter, disappeared onMarch 10th 2017 from his home in
Quinlan, texas.
So at the time, he is a70-year-old father, grandfather,
husband, friend, someone thatloved his family and spent time
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with him on a regular basis.
He was a very involved father,grandfather.
He was married at the time.
It was his second marriage but,chris, they had been married
for 37 years at the time of hisdeath.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Good amount of time.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Good amount of time.
He had been a Dallasfirefighter for over three
decades and was well-respectedin the community.
So he went into retirement in2008.
And at that time he spent mostof his time with family, like
you do after retirement.
He has other passions he workson classic cars, he goes to car
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shows, he's got grandkids, he'sgot a wife.
You know he's living a70-year-old retirement life.
He was a church deacon as well,at First Baptist Church, so he
was a member of a car club likejust an involved guy.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
That's the big church that's in downtown Dallas,
correct?
I don't know, I think so.
I'm just I.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Well, they live in Quinlan.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Still could drive into Dallas for church.
He was a Dallas firefighter.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That's right.
He was I don't know where hisfirst Baptist.
I think you actually might beright, the one I think I see on
the TV yeah, they have like theprogram on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I think that is one.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah.
Just a segue, sorry, so just areally involved guy in different
aspects, enjoying thatretirement life.
And so it seems so.
On that Friday morning in March, michael says goodbye to his
wife.
She leaves for work, he'spreparing for his day what she
had planned to spend on workingon cars, doing different things
(04:39):
around the house.
He would.
He would cut firewood.
He had a little shop um, likeyou know, I would, it was like a
little car mechanic shop areawhere he did a lot of work like
I have now yeah, like you canpull a car in.
Do you know work on.
Like I said, he was a big carguy and so he has this.
(05:01):
Uh, you know, I was looking atpictures of this and I thought
you know what a great space fora guy who's retired, who loves
working on cars, and you know.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
A boy can dream.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Yeah, right, like he has his own time.
His wife is still currentlyworking, so he has.
You know, he has that time tobe able to go into his space and
do his passion and love.
So that's where his plans thatday, and later that morning his
wife calls him and asks him tograb her some makeup at Walmart.
(05:38):
Okay, later that evening.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
So this is about 1030 , 11 o'clock.
Would you have trusted me with?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
that task.
It says.
I read specifically she askedfor mascara, which might be kind
of easy to find.
Like I was thinking about thata little bit, because any time
you have a case like this, in myopinion, you kind of got to
look for all of these things and, chris, I think that's a very
(06:08):
good point is, I would nottypically go and ask you to go
and pick up certain things forme, one of those being makeup.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Oh, I bet I could get you.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
But you yes, but I think, if I sent you in and said
hey, you know what?
Go to Maybelline, find me amascara.
I think you.
I sent you in and said hey, youknow what, go to Maybelline,
find me a mascara.
I think you could right.
So I have no doubt that thisguy could probably have done
this for her and we know he wasat the Walmart because we will
eventually talk about this.
But he's seen on video enteringand leaving Walmart.
So she makes this call to him.
(06:40):
I'm going to say late morningabout him going to the store.
So not long after that he isseen on video entering and
leaving Walmart.
So later that evening after workhours she texts him as she's
leaving her job.
But he never responded to thattext.
(07:01):
So she arrives home and shesees the truck at the house but
there's no sign of him.
The house is quiet, the garagedoor is closed.
I did read he would typicallyleave the garage door open for
her when she would come homefrom work, but we know the
(07:21):
garage door was actually closedthat day.
She calls his phone.
It goes to voicemail.
She's trying to reach him.
She can't get a hold of him.
She starts calling familymembers to see if they've
actually heard from him.
Now she remembered that michaelhad mentioned to her that he
was gonna go and do those fewthings.
(07:42):
Cut the firewood.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
That's a separate property, though.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, it's like in the back of the property.
Yeah, it's not like in the homehe has, like a shop which is
separate, like a detached garageI would kind of almost call it,
but it was an actual shop whereyou could pull in a car.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So it has some distance.
Ten acres is a pretty good sizeplot yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Well, and also she didn't really feel like she
could search that all herself.
So she starts calling someneighbors and to see if they can
help find him.
But there is no sign of him.
Now the garage shop that Imentioned it was actually locked
.
So Becca goes and gets the keysand then goes inside.
(08:24):
Now, there were tools in there,they find his wallet in there,
there are the keys, His keys arein there.
And here's the thing.
I go back to the shop beinglocked and the keys are inside.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
So I'm just going to say that.
Well, I mean, somebody couldhave turned the lock.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I don't know what kind of lock we're dealing with.
She couldn't get in without akey Because we know she goes
back to get a key.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Like a regular bathroom door, you know just
when you push it closed.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
You lock it behind you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Not a deadbolt.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
No, not a deadbolt.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So you could lock it behind you.
I, if it was that type we don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
But right so we're.
There's a couple of theories inthis case.
Right, so we're going to kindof talk about both of those
theories.
Um, but he could have locked itif he had the ability to lock
behind him, close the door,leaving keys inside and then
exiting and going.
Or you had someone else with akey who locked the door after
(09:33):
they left because it had to getlocked somehow.
So either he did it or someoneelse did it.
Well, once they go in and theyfind these things, but they
don't find him, she then noticesthat there's blood on the floor
.
So about an hour after theybegin searching for him, they
decide that this is enough,they've seen enough, they're
(09:55):
going to go ahead and call 911and report him missing.
So deputies come on and they'regoing to take a look at the
scene.
They're going to be looking forany signs that Michael could
have been a victim of a robbery.
Remember, there is blood on theground.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And so that's concerning, because now they
think was he hit over the headand then kidnapped?
Because he's nowhere to befound?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, it's just blood .
Speaker 1 (10:22):
It's just blood Right and brought somewhere else.
Nothing, but nothing lookedlike okay.
First of all, nothing was taken.
There was money in the wallet,there were expensive tools,
there were things of value inthat shop.
The one thing that was missing,though, chris, was his driver's
(10:42):
license.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It all just kind of laid out in one.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It was just kind of on top of the you know where you
would put your stuff cominginto work on a car.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
You know, but also like an individual, like
somebody emptying their pocketsprobably is way different than
somebody who's you know killedsomebody and then empties their
pockets and throwing their stuff, taking their stuff out.
You know what I mean.
Like was it more organized, butI guess we don't really know.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
I mean, I think that some of it was found.
I know the wallet was on thecounter, like he had placed it
there.
The blood was found on thefloor, I would say more of in a
circular motion, so it lookedlike whatever had happened
happened in this particular spot.
But if you're going to rob,right, so let's just talk about
(11:32):
robbery.
If you're going to rob someone,you haven't taken anything of
value but him, so he's the onlything that isn't there, besides
also the driver's license andthe cell phone Okay, so those
two things that are actuallymissing.
So when they get out there andthe wallet's on the counter,
(11:54):
police are noticing that thedriver's license is gone.
His family points out that his12-gauge shotgun and all those
expensive tools have beenuntouched.
They are exactly where theywould typically be.
And and again, he had about athousand dollars, I think,
(12:14):
probably around eight, ninehundred a thousand dollars in
his truck yeah, all those toolsand, like I said, the gun,
that's a lot of money, right.
So we can.
Sort of police are probablythinking you know, this probably
was not a robbery, but who justwants to injure a man because
(12:35):
they have blood on the floor.
Now, they don't know whoseblood it is at this time, but
they see blood on the floor,right, and it's enough to at
least get them concerned thatsomething might have happened to
him and they can't get a holdof him.
Then I thought why take adriver's license?
Why take a driver's license inyour phone?
(12:59):
You know, again, it's hard,because if you're somebody
coming in to attack him and totake him and kidnap him, why are
you taking his license?
You're more likely as anindividual to pull your license
out and keep it on you.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, I mean, unless somebody thinks they can't
identify the body, that makes itmore difficult.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
But I mean, I don't know, but are you thinking about
that, as you're knockingsomeone over the head and
kidnapping them and trying to dothis without anyone noticing on
this property?
I mean, are you thatcomfortable?
And then you're just going togo pluck the license?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well, they're on the property of this person, so it's
not like it's.
I don't know.
It isn't a odd thing to think.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Right If we're saying that another individual was in
there and responsible for this,right, yeah, okay.
So Becca Chambers tells policethat she had talked to her
husband earlier in the day,asked him to go and pick up the
makeup.
So they want to start figuringout what he actually did that
day.
Uh, when we see last seen.
(14:07):
So they start pullingsurveillance footage and they
see him come out of the walmartin quinlan.
So they know he purchased theitems because, chris, those
items are actually found in thebag on the counter.
So they know he actually wentto the store.
They know he bought the itemsbecause they find the purchase.
(14:28):
So he is seeing he is.
And this is really the lastknown sighting confirmed
sighting of him was on thatvideo exiting the Walmart.
You see him get into his truckand then he's headed into the
direction of home.
So nothing seems out of theordinary as he's leaving Walmart
.
So police are pulling his cellphone data at this point because
(14:51):
they have no phone to try andtrack.
You know where was he going,where could he have gone?
Because right now they haveblood, they have a missing man
and you know they're trying totrack him and figure out.
What else did he do that day?
And his phone actually pingsnear the two mile bridge over
(15:13):
lake tuakiti.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
So investigators kind of close to quentlyn oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
But here's the weird thing about this Once they kind
of figure out how long, sothey're watching the video.
They figure out, based on cellphone ping and travel from point
A, which would have been thehome, they're theorizing that he
(15:43):
had left the shop becausethere's blood on the ground and
then ended up at two mile bridgeover Lake Tawakonee.
But, chris, they said it, therate he would have been moving
about 4.2 miles an hour.
So they don't think he actuallytraveled this by car.
They believed, based on the,the, the average speed and the
(16:08):
timing, based on the phone ping,is walked that.
No, on a bike.
They figured he was on a bike.
This made the most sense.
But here's the thing you have aseven and, by the way, even
though it's kind of close, chris, I really actually think this
is about, I would say this isover 10 to 12 miles of a bike
(16:32):
ride.
This is a 70-year-old man whohas bad knees, who is again 70
years old.
Is he active?
Sure, but to me it just doesn'tmake.
(16:52):
This isn't making a whole lotof sense.
So you but and for police, andthey were able to determine that
the last known activityoccurred about 5.50 pm in the
Lake Tawakoni area.
So what they do know is heactually had gone that direction
(17:13):
at some point by car that day,but then actually returned by
bicycle.
So there are multiple theoriesout there of these phone pings.
Why would he then go?
Is he scoping out the placewhere he is about to, you know,
(17:33):
take his own life?
Because this is, you know, thisis what police think.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
This is a lot of suicide.
Why the blood?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
All right, well, we're going to talk about that.
I know I'm just pulling it overin my brain.
This is blood of pump.
It Suicide.
Why the blood?
All right, well, we're going totalk about that.
I know, I'm just and it is hisblood.
By the way, it is his blood.
They end up taking DNA off ofthat blood and it is his, but
because of this ping on his cellphone by the lake, this leads
investigators to look at thepossibility that he may have
taken his own life by jumpingoff the bridge.
(18:04):
But again, he had bad knees andthis is kind of met with
skepticism from you know, hiskids, other family members,
people that knew him personally,and so this was remember.
At this point we have no body,right.
They're just trying to figureout where this man is.
(18:25):
Yeah, so they run the DNA onthe blood found in the workshop
and it is confirmed to belong tohim.
Like I mentioned, they broughtin a blood spatter expert who
examined the crime scene andfound that the direct round
blood drops appeared to be tooperfect as though someone drops
like a dropper, okay, so let'stalk about this for a minute,
(18:49):
because you're my medicalprofessional, okay.
Okay.
So let's I want to talk aboutjust common sense mindset,
because I, like you, know when,when we look at these cases and
there's mystery behind them, Ilike to think what, not what I
(19:12):
would do, but what are peoplemost likely going to do in this
particular mindset?
Okay, so, let's say he did, hewas going to take his life.
Okay, why is he going to gothrough the effort to then draw
his own blood, take his ownblood, splatter, spatter it
(19:35):
around his workshop, lock hisdoor, take his ID to identify
his body, because I'm going toassume that was part of the
reason is why that license wastaken.
Um, are you worried about that?
Are you worried about that?
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Well, I can tell you this that he was a Dallas
firefighter.
They're all paramedics, somepeople are grandfathered in, so
he would have access.
I mean, did you have tooccasionally draw labs?
If somebody's coming in on anambulance, they might go ahead
and get some different colortops drawn.
So I mean, either have somebodydo it or he knows I'd do it
(20:14):
himself.
I mean, I could draw my ownblood.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Okay, I'm glad we're talking about this, because I
didn't even think about that.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean different vials have different types of
preservatives in there to beable to keep it.
I guess I mean don't get melying and saying how long a
specimen in a vial lasts, evenwith a preservative or whatever.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Right, because the expert concluded, Chris, that
the blood was staged to him tomake it appear as though there
had been a kidnapping orabduction.
The expert also said that thebright red color of the blood
could suggest the presence of ananticoagulant of the blood
could suggest the presence of ananticoagulant, yeah, which
would indicate that it was insome type of.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
I mean, because even you couldn't just go somewhere
and have your blood drawn andexpect them to give you the
blood they just drew, that'sright, I mean that just isn't
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
So how much volume of blood are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Well, the experts speculated that the blood had
been preserved.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I know, I'm just saying like how much blood was
on the floor, because each likewhen they go draw one tube of
blood it's probably about threemilliliters, 3.5 it's a.
You know I mean ranging thereyou probably don't remember the
picture, but I had pictures thatwe looked through um, and I'll
show that to you again, and italmost looks like a perfect kind
of circle, like just the wayyou know it's dropped on the
(21:40):
ground because and that's thingtoo, is that the average that's
an easy thing for somebody inthis scenario to obtain is, you
know, like a, a blood draw kitand some vials, versus like
going and having like a when yougo donate blood and they take a
big bag that has a preservativein there as well.
But I mean, who the heck?
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Okay, so that's that's.
That's that's People, peopleTheory one right yeah, medical
people don't have that, yeah, sothat's it.
He takes his own.
The second part of this is thenit's if he's not responsible
for the, for his own demise, andsomeone else is responsible,
(22:22):
how do they then get his blood?
If, if indeed, we say that it'sstage because this is what the
experts.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
I don't know even the presence of an anticoagulant
You'd have to keep it fresh,like heparin.
No, I mean it's not aboutkeeping it fresh.
I mean it may stay in a fridge.
It has like heparin in there,but I don't know.
Was this guy taking a bloodthinner?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Just saying so.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You're saying the anticoagulant could have been
because you take a daily bloodthinner, then that's, like some,
why some people can't havesurgeries that to hold it They'd
have to take an alternativemedication.
Sometimes they'll check yourclotting numbers.
I mean, I don't know, but alsoto don't give me a line.
I don't know if that'ssomething you can test in your
blood, though, to see ifsomebody's on that see if
(23:14):
somebody's on that.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I just know, like that's well, that he, the expert
, was saying because of thebright red color of it, the how
red it was when it was found.
That is what made him suggestthat there was a presence of an
anti-coagulation that there's apresence well, and they
speculated that it had beenpreserved in a vial and then
intentionally spattered tosuggest a crime scene.
I mean, this is what the expertsays.
(23:36):
But you know, I think aboutthis and I mean how many, how
many crime scenes are theseblood experts looking at?
I mean, they they test bloodthey use if somebody has been
hit over the head, they willreenact the actual motion to see
if this person could cause this.
And so I guess I'm thinking oflike this is a very interesting
(23:59):
theory to come out with as anexpert.
On your first shot, right, hedidn't say, oh, this wasn't like
an eventual thing.
He kind of said this looksstaged to me, really kind of out
of the gate once I startedlooking, looking at the blood
presence.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
And so the question remains I would have thought all
of his belongings would haveset that in motion, though too
like what do you?
Mean just having his belongingskind of sitting there on the on
the table okay, explain whatyou mean, I know, I know what
you're talking about, but whatdo you mean?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
like like stage?
Speaker 2 (24:35):
that everything would just kind of be lying and
sitting right there, like.
Like I said, if somebody was inthere to like take him and
abduct him, do they go to thetrouble of like removing all of
his items?
I mean, and I mean just that.
That to me is well.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I think we can assume that he removed the items from
his cell for having them in hishand.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
I wouldn't expect someone to take out his wallet
and put it on the counter, yeah,but I mean it's just.
Yeah, there's like a lot oflittle things.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
That's weird, yeah, well.
And also, are you going to gothrough all this if you're about
to go take your life?
You know, I don't, I mean Well.
I mean, I don't, I mean well.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I mean, I don't know, I've started.
You know, people take off theirjewelry or whatever.
Like you know, the you know,the mob movies when the guy
knows he's about to go and wedon't know what's going through
their heads.
They'll take off their ringsand jewelry and put their wallet
money in the drawer.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
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So on March 20th, just 10 daysafter her husband goes missing,
becca made a change to her cellphone plan.
She removes Justin's phone fromthe family plan and also
(27:26):
suspended Michael's service.
So Justin is the chamber'sadopted son.
Justin is the chamber's adoptedson.
Now the relationship betweenthe three wasn't perfect, but it
had been determined that Justinhad an alibi during the
disappearance and toldauthorities you know he might
have not agreed with everythingthat his father said or wanted
(27:48):
for you know his future orwhatever those conversations.
I know that there had beenrecent discussions over finances
, which again is one of thereasons now when we talk about
where this case is today thatthere could have been some
financial issues going on inthis family that maybe would
have drove him to then jump offthe bridge and take his life.
(28:14):
But his adopted son had analibi and he said that, even
though they didn't agree oneverything, he would never have
hurt him.
He would have never hurt hisdad.
Some family members raisedquestions about why his wife
would cancel the service, givingthat it could provide crucial
evidence.
Wife would cancel the service,giving that it could provide
crucial evidence.
But others said that she wasmaking this change for financial
(28:37):
reasons, and I always go backto Wouldn't they already have
that evidence though?
What do you?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
mean Any of the cell phone data.
The evidence like haven't theyalready at this point 10?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
days, though I don't know.
I I mean, I don't know ifthere's something that could
probably be found on your phone.
If this was you, I'm notcertain if cutting the phone
would be my first thought tosave money well, if it has like
especially if they can't find itand they think he has it on him
(29:12):
or at least wherever he.
You know, wherever he is, Idon't know.
It kind of sat weird with me,but there are people who
understand that when you're ofthat age yeah, and you need
money.
You know that would be the onlyway to ping a tower that's right
and so um, you know, I don'tknow, it's 10 days a little
(29:36):
quick.
Some people in the familythought it was, but you know she
said she was doing it forfinancial reasons.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I mean, yeah, I guess I don't know what their
financial mean, being that hewas a firefighter and had a
pension.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yes, but I don't know which she went to collect, who
doesn't live beyond theirpensions?
Then she stated and told afamily member that she was going
(30:12):
to sell Michael's truck.
Shortly after the phoneincident, which she did end up
selling it, she told hisdaughter from the previous
marriage that she wanted toobtain a temporary death
certificate for him and wasreally just trying to assure the
daughter that this was onlytemporary.
But this really is to collectthe pension and to start being
(30:39):
able to collect money.
You know it's, I know we knowmoney's not everything, but
sometimes maybe money is a lotto people.
And again, we don't know howpeople react in this sort of way
.
You know, did she know moreabout their personal life that
maybe eventually will come out?
(31:01):
But you know was she?
Did she know?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Why would she have to ask the daughter?
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, because this is a grown adult woman.
These are his kids and theywant to know where their dad is.
Right Because at this point,they don't have a body and they
don't have any Since they aregrown and out of the house.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
I guess I'm just wondering why she even has to
consult with her.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's not that she has to.
I think she just wanted to,because how suspicious, would it
look, if you didn't I?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
think it looks, because I can't think of any
reason you would need atemporary death certificate.
I mean, if please somebodycorrect me, but I don't know why
you'd need a temporary one.
Either you're dead or you'renot.
So what do you do?
You untemporary it if you findthe body.
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I've just never heard of that before, but it actually
ended up being that, chris, shefound out that her dad had been
declared dead just two monthsafter he disappeared.
I mean, it became confirmed.
No, no, no two months.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I know I'm saying that, I'm just like.
I guess my point is is thatit's shady either way, like sure
so why it's even shadier,though, if you don't tell
anybody.
But I just still think it's atthat point too.
That's when you.
I would think the jig could beup for her pretty quickly.
Right If she's doing thetemporary death certificate,
(32:21):
because I mean somebody mightget nosy and reach out to the
police about this too and justsay, hey, this is my stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
I'm sure it's been a.
I mean, it's been a topic ofconversation.
It doesn't I mean people couldgo and read about this case.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
It's just a weird move, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
We can move on, oh the cell phone selling the truck
, having him declared dead twomonths after he disappeared,
when they haven't even found himyet.
Because at this point, you know, I guess I'm thinking to myself
, we're still looking for, likeif I'm, if I'm the daughter,
we're still looking for my dad.
Nobody's found my dad, so he'smissing.
But now she's declaring himdead.
(32:57):
How does she know he's dead?
Why would she think he's dead?
And so I think, as a, as adaughter, those are probably the
thoughts that are running inher mind.
But again, she was.
You know, the family was alittle shocked on how fast some
of these things were moving.
Most of the close family membershave taken polygraphs and have
passed.
During that polygraph, whichhis wife did take, it was
(33:24):
disclosed and opened that shehad had multiple affairs during
her marriage, during hermarriage.
This, you know, this is a long,this 30 something year marriage
, but she had actually just beenseeing another man and she had
told police.
It ended five months before hewent missing.
(33:44):
So this isn't like she had anaffair 10 years into their
marriage she was having affairs.
10 years into their marriageshe was having affairs.
I don't know how often, but weknow that she admitted and that
it was confirmed that she hadbeen seeing someone several
months before he went missing.
(34:06):
So is the thought of your wifeand she will tell police that
she thinks he knew.
He never said anything to herabout it or confronted her about
it, but she believed that heknew about, about the affair.
You know, did he continuouslyput up with this for 30
(34:27):
something years and know thisabout his wife, and could that
have driven him to the point todisappear?
You know, I don't know.
Police believe there weremultiple things going on in this
man's life that would havegiven them reason why he would
have taken his life, finances,the affair not so great, of
(34:54):
maybe a relationship in marriage.
But again, she tells and she'sopen about this affair, um, but
that she thought her husbandknew and he just didn't say
anything I don't know, you makeit to 70 that's what I'm saying.
You're killing yourself overyour wife cheating on you right
and so, and so it wasn't oneaffair.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Classic cars and go hit the road.
I mean, you know.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, and it wasn't one affair, right?
This isn't like she had theaffair five months and this was
the only one.
Why wouldn't he have done this15 years ago if this would have
been a constant issue?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
That's what sounds so odd.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That Right it sounds so odd Issue that angle.
But could it have played a part?
We don't know.
Police said that Becca hadpassed the other parts of the
polygraph and based on thoseresults they eventually rule her
out as a suspect in hisdisappearance.
(35:50):
They actually interview the manshe had been seeing.
He admitted to the fair but hehad an alibi for the day of the
disappearance, so they don'tthink he had actually anything
to do with this either yeah, andthe fact that she took a lot of
polygraph, you know, is um shedid I mean, is risky on her part
(36:12):
too, you know, if she well andshe admitted to the affairs.
I mean, I think she knew she wasgonna.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
If she lied, they were gonna know she lied well, I
know, and I'm just saying too,like that's um, you know, I
think people are they're goingto just sit down and take a lie,
to take her test or less likelyto be guilty.
I mean, because that's notsomething you just or your error
again.
I think you can pass it whetheror not it's admissible, and
core just the having it outthere in the open that you
(36:40):
failed one.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Well, they're not admissible,but there is the fact that they
took them.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
There's not that many arrogant people that just think
they pass a polygraph.
I mean, you know, think theypass a polygraph.
I mean you know maybe world'sdumbest criminals, but you know
the um, you know that'ssomebody's gonna.
If they're, if they're askingto do all that, they're gonna.
If they're, if they're anyinkling of being involved,
they're gonna probably lawyer up.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I would think that's just my opinion so, chris, it is
rumored that his daughter got amessage over facebook um a few
months into her father'sdisappearance and a person
claimed that they knew where thebody was, that he had been
murdered, and claimed that thewife and another man had killed
(37:25):
him.
She calls the police and theyquestioned the authenticity of
this information because theperson who put in this tip was a
convicted felon.
So were they trying to getsomething for themselves?
I'm sure they investigated thattip.
(37:46):
Nothing probably came much ofit.
A cell phone expert was broughtin to learn more about his exact
route on the day he wentmissing and then the forensics
the forensic analysis based onthat cell phone, showed that
Michael had left his house thatmorning, drove through Quinlan
to the two-mile bridge, wentpast the bridge and stopped for
(38:09):
10 to 15 minutes.
Later that that day, around2.30, michael went back to the
same location and that's wherethe signal of the phone stopped.
They believe the first time wasby car.
The second time would have beenby bicycle.
So did they think that he wentto see where he was going to do
this, where he was going to goand what he was going to do, and
(38:35):
look at this and then decide togo back.
But here's another thing that Ijust it's not a big bridge.
Okay, but here's the thing aboutthis too why, if you were going
to take, if you were going tojump off a bridge, okay, but
(38:57):
it's not a big hold on.
Why are you going to ride abike back?
What is the point of that?
Why would you just touch her?
Why do you care who find like Iget, I can't get past.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I guess, leaving the car there.
So, like I said, once again,all your belongings and
therefore your family.
But if you're going to jump offa bridge, it's not going to be
the Lake Tawakoni Bridge.
I mean, it's 15 feet high, Ithink.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
I don't know, and it's water.
Are you going to?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
dive in the water.
You don't know how to swim.
Like you're gonna dive in thewater, you don't know how to
swim.
I mean he tight bind your, tieyour legs and hands, or a brick
to your leg or something I don'tknow now.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Now I will say that this movement is weird.
The movement of the phonepinging to the two mile bridge
is weird, but we don't have anywitnesses and we don't have CC
footage.
Just because his cell phone ispinging, does it really mean he
(40:00):
was the one doing this travel?
I mean, do we?
I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
They just don't know Somebody that had his phone.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Right, so, but why are you going to drive Now?
He stopped for 10 to 15 minutes.
Was he like kind of scoping outthe area where he was going to
be, I mean, but then you go backby bike.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
But if something happened?
He left Walmart and somethingimmediately happened there.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well, no, they know he went home because the bag of
stuff was found at the house.
So, no, they don't thinkanything happened at Walmart.
But could he have been followed?
Sure, could he have gone into ashop and someone, but they
didn't see anything coming outof the Walmart parking lot.
That would really kind of makethem think that, since the data
(40:52):
showed that he was onlytraveling about 4.2 miles per
hour, they did determine thatMichael had to have been
traveling on bicycle, whichpolice were unable to locate.
So here's the weird thing aboutthis whole bike thing Um, um.
But before we get into that,his body is found.
(41:14):
Okay, his body is discoveredwith an old bicycle, not far
with the bones are found, okay,at this point.
So it was, I think November of2022 is when the remains, the
bones were found.
In 2023.
(41:34):
It was announced that the bonesdid match him, so they did find
the body of Michael Chambers.
So this is six years after hewas reported missing.
Now let's talk about the bikes,because here's another issue
with the bike.
I couldn't and maybe I knowthere's a lot of people familiar
with this case, I know thereare people who have lived in
(41:56):
this area know this family.
I need the mystery of the twobikes solved because, chris, a
bike was found at the house,that there was an actual bike
found at the house.
So people, some people did notbelieve that the bike that was
actually found near the boneswould belong to him.
But then.
But so here's where things geta little muddy.
(42:18):
Family says bike was at thehouse, couldn't be him.
But police believe he wastraveling by bike because of the
rate of speed on the ping ofthe phone.
So a little was there, anotherbike was.
Did he get another bike?
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Maybe they killed him there and then somebody rode a
bike from the.
I mean, that's some planningahead.
They also searched this area.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
They had the phone pings.
They didn't find a body earlyon, like that is another bizarre
thing about this case for me.
Six years later and they'refound off Highway 276, not far
from the bridge, and now youhave bones in a bike, and so I
know people can go missing andpeople search these areas and
(43:06):
nothing is found.
And then eventually they arefound, but still a little bit of
a mystery.
And why Was it it his bike?
Was he actually traveling bybike?
They believe that he actuallywas, but they also know that
there was actually a bike foundin the garage.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Um, 4.2 miles an hour is really slow he has bad knees
.
Speaker 1 (43:30):
I don't know why he would.
Why do you just want to makethings harder on yourself?
Your last moments of life, likethat's what I'm.
That's where my head goes.
Am I gonna just get on a bikeand then have to go and with bad
knees and make this and and forwhat?
What does it matter if theyfind my car?
(43:51):
I'm not gonna be here anymoreand I don't want to be here
anymore.
Speaker 2 (43:54):
So what does it matter?
Maybe he wanted to leave thatthing, those things, for his
family, so they did.
There wasn't just a car.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
I mean it just seems odd, doesn't really fit that
profile of someone who wouldwant to take their own life.
But you never know.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Well, and also, what about the money when it comes to
taking your life, when it comesto insurance, when some
policies will not pay out oncertain things, when it involves
suicide, there are differentclauses with that.
We have known people Listen,I've covered and read about
cases that people fake their own, that they pretend that they
(44:34):
were abducted and killed andreally they took their life.
But their family was able toget the insurance because they
were considered missing andmurdered, right, so they tried
to just set it up that way.
Was he done, trying to set itup for his family?
You know, I don't know, I don'tknow.
Very, very just strangemovements that day, in my
opinion.
So the bridge, chris, it'sactually nine feet high, so it's
(45:00):
not tall at all.
But then I think of I kind ofknow this area a little bit.
You can probably envision it inyour head.
I know we've been there before.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
It's the equivalent of going over the lake of Lake
Ray Hubbard.
I mean, the bridge is exactlythe same height, which is not
very tall.
It's like the boats are rightunderneath you.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Yeah, and so you know why this bridge?
Why was he traveling earlierthere that day and then ended up
there later and then eventuallyfound?
Speaker 2 (45:31):
in that area.
Quinlan is in close proximityto Tawakonee Right.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yeah, chris, this case, you know, found in that
area.
Quinlan is in close proximityto like Tawakoni Right.
So yeah, um, chris, this caseis it's actually where um Ashley
lived.
Yeah, yeah, right over there.
So the family is still lookingfor answers.
There's a lot of people there,um, if you want to do your own
research on this case, you can.
(45:55):
There are family members whobelieve that there are other
people responsible for whathappened to him.
There's a lot of people thatdon't believe that he would have
taken his life.
He had grandkids, he hadretired, he was a well-respected
part of his community, he hadbeen a Dallas firefighter for,
(46:15):
you know, a long time, and sothey, they are, they're just
they.
They just don't think he wouldhave done this.
And I know that that is hardwhen it comes to somebody.
We love making a decision likethat.
There's a lot of unknown.
There's a a lot of uncertainty.
We don't really know what goeson in people's heads or behind
(46:38):
closed doors.
We don't know if, um, heactually had brought.
It's hard for me to believethat a man had been married to
someone for 30 something yearsand knew about affairs and never
discussed it.
It's a little odd to me.
But hey, if he knew, if he, if,if there were nefarious things
going on in his marriage and hewas just tired of it.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (47:00):
yeah, maybe he was just tired of it and then wanted
to make sure that the familywas left with some money.
Um, her actions very early onin his disappearance raised a
lot of red flags for the familyand wanting to understand why
she was selling his things andkind of treating this case as if
(47:23):
he wasn't coming back.
So, you know, did she know morethan she was letting on?
You know, and unfortunatelyshe's the first person they're
going to look at and when thesethings come out it might make
her look bad, but it doesn'tmake her a killer.
And you know, and and and theyhad cleared her and she had
(47:45):
taken a poly, and so, you know,was he dealing with more
personal demons than people knew?
And maybe he just was, you know, maybe he lived a good life and
and we just ran out of shit andjust yeah.
I mean listen people people taketheir lives for a lot less
(48:06):
reasons, and so I don't want todisregard the fact that somebody
can.
Just just because you as afamily member don't think they
could ever do, that Doesn't meanthey would never do that, and
unfortunately that just goeswith having no answers and just
grieving and agonizing over this.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
But they could just wake up and say I'm sick of
making popcorn.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Yeah, sick of making popcorn.
Yeah, our kids are on like afull popcorn diet, so but you
know?
But if the family stronglybelieves that this is not what
happened to him and that thiswas a staged scene by someone
else, to throw off, but onceagain I mean how much they dig
(48:51):
into that.
Speaker 2 (48:52):
It's somebody's opinion.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, what if it wasn't staged?
That's they say.
What if it?
Speaker 2 (48:55):
wasn't staged.
That's what I mean.
What if it wasn't staged?
What if it, just becausesomebody says, well it has the
appearance it's bright, I meanokay.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Well, if it wasn't staged, then he was hit over the
head and taken.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
Right, well, I mean, that's what I'm saying the door
after you don't know I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
You've hit someone over the head and you're getting
them in a vehicle in the broaddaylight and you're trying to
get nobody to see somebody tookthe trouble to empty all their
pockets and also pull a pulldriver's license out of their
wallet, so it doesn't meansomebody wouldn't stop and just
lock the door so it wouldfurther delay somebody entering
that, you know true, the garage.
So so either this was just avery well-planned out suicide or
(49:40):
murder.
And you know, there is just adifference.
There's just a very differenceof opinion in this case.
When it comes to local people,people who know about this case
I mean again, he was missing forsix years.
I remember this.
I mean I remember when he wentmissing and reading and
listening about it.
But where this case is now isthey believe that he had taken
(50:08):
his life and that there's reallynothing pointing and that the
whole thing was staged and thathe had probably set this up
himself, you know, in order tothrow people off and think that
he was taken.
But really you know he wasn't.
But I can tell you that thefamily is still looking for
(50:29):
answers and you know, maybe inthe future we may or may not
know any more about this case.
Thank you.
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