March 9, 2025 • 25 mins
The summer of 1986 in Lake Worth, Texas should have been like any other – locals cooling off at the lake, hanging out at what they called "the beach," enjoying cold beers in the hot Texas sun. Instead, it became the setting for a murder that would remain unsolved for over two decades.
Lloyd Tobin was the kind of person everyone wanted in their corner – a 30-year-old bouncer described by friends and family as loyal, friendly, and protective. As a father, brother, and son, he worked hard at the local bar and was known for making people feel safe. In a cruel twist of fate, it was this protective instinct that would ultimately cost him his life on that fateful day in 1986.
While hanging out at Lake Worth's makeshift beach area, Lloyd noticed a suspicious man approaching young people. Being the protector he naturally was, Lloyd confronted the stranger, telling him to leave the kids alone. What happened next would shock the community – the man returned with a shotgun and fired a single shot at Lloyd before fleeing through the brush in a bright orange hatchback. Despite witnesses hearing the shot and glimpsing the suspect, the case eventually went cold, leaving Lloyd's desperate family to conduct their own investigation as official leads dried up.
The breakthrough came from the most unexpected source in 2009 – a letter sent to the Fort Worth Cold Case Unit from prison inmate Billy Wallace, who was already serving life for other violent crimes. In a surprising twist, Wallace confessed not only to Lloyd's murder but to multiple other unsolved crimes throughout the region. His detailed account of confronting Lloyd at the lake, returning with a shotgun when told to leave, and fleeing in the orange car that witnesses had described decades earlier finally brought closure to a case that might otherwise never have been solved.
This episode reminds us of the random nature of violence, the dedication of cold case detectives, and the lingering question: how many killers take their secrets to the grave?
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome all of you on in true crime lovers.
I'm Brandi and I'm and this isTexas Wine and True Crime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
Murder in Lake Worth.
We have got a live show comingup April 5th at Robert Clay
Vineyards, and not only that,but they are our winery of the
(00:39):
month for March, and tonight weare sipping on a beautiful
Chardonnay 2021, vintage Barrel3 of 3.
I'm excited to share that otherbarrel with you on next episode
.
But, robert Clay Vineyards thisis grown and bottled by Robert
(01:00):
Clay.
We're enjoying this 2021Chardonnay, like I said, out of
barrel number three.
This 2021 illustrates theelegance of filtration,
softening prominentcharacteristics while delivering
a polished crisp finish.
Now this is aged for 12 monthsin neutral oak barrels.
This Chardonnay highlights therefined balance achieved through
(01:24):
the filtering process.
Like barrel number two, itearned a silver medal at the San
Francisco Chronicle WineCompetition.
But, chris, this is anexcellent wine.
We were fortunate enough tohave already been to Robert Clay
Vineyards and tasted some ofthat delicious wine, and then
(01:44):
we're going to be back for ourlive show.
So, so happy to have them thismonth.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to traveling
back down there.
We had a really good time whenwe were out there.
I guess that was around ouranniversary.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes, it was Lots of fun.
Yeah, it's a beautiful area.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
They have delicious wines there too, goodness
gracious.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So good, but we will be there april 5th, robert clay,
thank you.
Thank you so much for being ourwinery of the month this month.
You can check them out in mason, texas, and tell them your
friends at texas wine and truecrime sent you.
Okay, chris, are you ready tojump into this week's case?
absolutely all friends, it'stime to sip some wine and talk
(02:25):
some crime.
So tonight we are discussing acase out of Lake Worth, texas,
back in 1986.
So for more than 20 years thiscase remained unsolved, until
there was a break back in 2011.
So, thankfully, this case isnow considered solved and closed
(02:48):
.
We're always trying to shedlight on past and present cases,
but it's these kinds of casesthat most people have probably
never heard of.
But it's more important toshare these stories since this
can happen to anyone and for solong this family had no answers
(03:09):
but now they do, and I thinkit's a 30-year-old bouncer
living in Lake Worth at the time.
So this is 1986.
He's described as a loyal guy,a friendly person.
(03:30):
He was a dad, a brother, a son.
He worked hard, he cared aboutpeople he loved, was a protector
to those that you know not onlyworked in the bar where he was
a bouncer, but really went outof their, out of his way just to
take care of people and makepeople feel safe.
And why this is so ironic andwhy this piece of Lloyd Tobin,
(03:58):
who people remember and and andthe kind of guy he was.
He comes in.
He ends up face to face withthe person that took his life in
order to protect other peoplethat were at the lake that day.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay.
So, they've makes it even worsefor him.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, so it's like the kind of guy he is and then
come to find out he was actuallytrying to protect other other
young people hanging out thisday and lake worth is just kind
of right around it where it'scloser to fort worth right by
fort worth yeah so.
But even though lake worth is alake, loy tobin was actually
(04:38):
hanging out what they calledback then the beach, so they
called it the beach area, eventhough there wasn't any white
sand, it was just basicallybrush and trees, and they called
it their little beach.
So it was popular amongst theteenagers and adults from the
area.
But this is where people hungout.
So this is where Louis Tobin ison that day back in 1986.
(05:05):
So it's hot outside, Kids arerunning around.
It's a busy area but it is alittle desolate.
So there's lots of trees, lotsof brush.
So when we start to talk aboutthis case there, were people
there right.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And they heard something.
This must have been kind oflike the local hangout in that
town.
I mean, that was back whenprobably teenagers and young
adults we used to go outside andenjoy some beers in the sun and
water and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So, and you know, and and it's hot and it's a place
to cool off and sit in some lawnchairs right or a couple chairs
and have a couple beers.
So it was just so.
It was just, you know, it wasjust kind of the hangout where
everybody was.
So he's hanging out at the lakethis particular day and there,
like I said, there were peoplein the area, but he's actually
(05:59):
there with a friend earlier inthe day.
So he actually goes there twice.
So he's there with a friend,but then he leaves to go back to
his house.
He was living with his sisterand his and his mother at the
time, um, before then returningback later in the early evening.
So his sister is actuallysupposed to be meeting him there
(06:21):
shortly.
Um, again, there was anothercouple in the area and so when
he goes back, there's noeyewitnesses to this crime, but
there is an eyewitness to seeinga car and we do have a young
couple that what they thoughtthey heard was a gunshot, and
then they see someone runningthrough the trees in the brush.
(06:43):
Okay, so Lloyd Tobin was thereearlier in the day.
He returns home, he's supposedto be meeting his sister there.
She's got some things to do atthe house.
He then returns back to thislake area.
He was with a friend earlier inthat day.
This guy will actually end upbecoming pretty much the first
suspect in Lloyd's death.
(07:04):
So he was with him earlier inthe day.
But then when he returns hegoes back by himself the couple
that is there.
They claim to hear a gunshot.
So he go.
You know, I think one of themstarts going and looking, going
towards the sound right andgoing to see what it is, and
then the actually the femalesees someone running through the
(07:26):
brush.
So she will give a statement topolice.
She will actually identify in alineup that first friend I
shared with you that Lloyd waswith earlier that day.
So she IDs him out of a picturelineup.
Well, police arrive.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
This is in the afternoon, so I mean it's like
it's dark.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Well, I would say it's not dark, it's in the
daytime, that's right, it gets alittle later in the summertime
as well too.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I'm just trying to envision.
Yeah, but it's not dark.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I wouldn't even say it's dusk, yet I would say it's
daytime.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
That's what I mean, because in that time of year it
can get dark Gosh it can be.
I mean sorry, staylight untillike almost 830 at night, right.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So, yeah, no, it was daylight and when they heard
what they thought was a shot andthen they see someone running,
that was she says, well, I'msupposed to meet my brother here
.
And they said, well, you know,this is a crime scene right now.
(08:44):
So nobody really knows anythingexcept these few people that
have seen one person and heard agunshot.
So police come kind of takingoff the air, taping off the area
, but really they have nothingto go on.
And what's so wild about thisis the family had this feeling.
(09:07):
Once they end up finding outthat this indeed is Lloyd, they
kind of have this feeling likethis isn't going to be solved
unless we, the family, startinserting ourselves into this
investigation, start talking topeople, start talking to friends
.
Remember, he's a bouncer, sodid he come in contact with
(09:29):
someone that might have beenangry?
Maybe he threw someone out, itwasn't unknown.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well, it's 1986, too, in a smaller town, and probably
just even the investigation isprobably not a little less than
it would be, I guess, this timeyeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, so I mean you have.
You have a guy who's now goingto then eventually be identified
as Lloyd Tobin.
He was shot once with a shotgun.
We know he was actually facingthe person who shot him.
But yeah, the family's thinking, you know we're going to have
to figure out who did this.
(10:06):
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So Lloyd's sister, chris,attempts to go find her brother
at that lake, like I mentioned,and he's not anywhere to be
(12:10):
found.
His body then is identified.
In fact the couple that sawLloyd or eventually identified
the sound of what the gunshot.
They identify him.
Like I mentioned, he had beenshot once with a shotgun.
So the family takes theinvestigation into their own
hands.
Police are investigatingLloyd's friend who was at the
(12:34):
lake with him that day.
He's their number one suspect.
He actually comes up, chris,while they're doing the
investigation, still at thelakeside, and he seems kind of
intoxicated.
He's saying things that kind ofpoint to his guilt.
Like pressing them forinformation and stuff like that,
(12:55):
just kind of inserting himselfinto the investigation a little
bit, but they can clearly seehe's been drinking all day.
But they want to ask him somemore questions.
So they end up taking him downto the station and he's actually
ID'd by one of the people thatheard the gunshot.
Um, but he took a poly, passedthe poly and he also had a tight
(13:21):
, a tight alibi.
So by the time they kind offigured all of that out, he was
dismissed as a suspect.
Now there was a woman who cameforward and she found a letter
that was written by herex-boyfriend and in that letter
it's describing the murder herex-boyfriend and in that letter
it's describing the murder, um,she.
It's saying specific thingsthat this person did to Lloyd.
(13:47):
But here's the thing None of itmatches the crime scene.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, and who writes them?
Yeah, and you know they try,people try they.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
They try to confess and and and write things, but
really they don't have theactual details, like a murderer
would, and that letter did notmatch anything at the scene.
Several other tips came in,several other persons of
interest were actuallyinterviewed, but ultimately they
(14:17):
did not find any viableevidence with any of those leads
and eventually this case doesgo cold.
Police in Fort Worth Cold CaseUnit receive a letter.
So this is.
You know we're gonna I'll talkabout this at the end of this
story but you have a Texasinmate in 2009 by the name of
(14:43):
Billy Wallace.
He writes a letter to the FortWorth Cold Case Unit, okay, and
he states in this letter that hewould like to confess to some
crimes he committed in the 1980s.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And you wonder what would make him do that too?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, you know, clearing your conscious, which I
thought to myself.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I kind of thought potentially get interviewed out
of it or something like that too.
Who knows?
I mean, a lot of people willmake those confessions just
because they can, if they're.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Um, I don't want to say salacious enough, but you
know, a juicy enough crime orsomething like that, they might
draw some media attention no, Iwell maybe, but but yeah, but
typically, depending on who youare like, what kind of criminal
you are if people would even beinterested in that right Because
not all crimes are interesting,if that makes sense.
(15:43):
When it comes to and pluspolice officers, people who are
spending time and resources intothings like this, they're
probably going to sniff that outpretty quick, and I think
that's exactly what theyprobably thought when they got
this letter was what is thisperson going to tell us?
Is this a waste of our time?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
But yeah, because he doesn't indicate what the crime
is, just that he wants toconfess to a crime.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That's right.
But he sent it to the FortWorth Cold Case Unit and he
wanted to talk about crimes, youknow, in the Fort Worth area.
Now, at this time, BillyWallace was serving life in
prison.
He had received 20 years on aconviction of indecency with a
(16:30):
child.
Well, after that conviction, heactually attacked and stabbed
his basically jail psychiatristin the neck in 2001 and then was
given life for the attemptedmurder on the doctor.
So this guy's not goinganywhere, okay yeah, that's what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
And also, too, I think sometimes you, you see
these, um, I'm sure a lot ofthese will come true, you know,
with these confessions, but Ithink some of the times they
they will do this to, um, youknow, you never know like it's.
It could probably be a liferight.
Well, life's pretty boring, Iimagine, as a death row inmate,
so add a little excitement toyour life by getting some media
(17:10):
attention yeah, you're not goinganywhere.
You're already serving, servinglife.
So what's the worst thing thathappened to you?
I, I guess.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
That's right, but I don't know.
So one of the cold casedetectives goes and visits him,
not just once but a few times,and what's interesting is
Wallace is confessing tomultiple crimes.
The first one he confesses tois to strangling and stabbing
(17:37):
Alicia Richardson in an alleybehind I think it's Meadowbrook
Drive in Fort Worth.
So he tells police he meets herat a nearby club in 1994, and
then he ends up killing her.
And so police are thinking,okay, like now we can't like.
(18:05):
This is a real person who waskilled and he's admitting to,
he's confessing to killing her.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
And those weren't the only confessions I was going to
say too, and I mean I'm sure,obviously, if he is the killer,
he has very specific detailsabout the crime and the crime
scene that the average personmay not know.
So that's what makes it morebelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
He told police that he actually burned down his
neighbor's homes.
He was actually never chargedwith this crime, but police
actually confirmed this storyand that there were a couple of
arsons go in his neighborhood.
You were saying something.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I said he was a fire bug too.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yes, Not only that, he also confesses to a shooting
spree on loop eight 20.
And he tells that the victimand this was a road rage that he
had shot a woman on Loop 820near Tarrant Community College
and then also had shot a male inthe face near the same area in
(19:10):
the 1980s.
So police are really trying tolike find these victims which,
by the way, I don't know if theyever did find the woman and the
man I mean they had.
The Alicia Richardson's familywas, I'm sure, notified but and
I'm sure that the arson,eventually the homeowners
(19:34):
eventually found out it was him,but he's literally telling them
about these other crimes thatyou know they're looking for
these victims.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I was going to say the potential to close a lot of
other cases.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, that's right, or somebody that could have been
wrongfully convicted too.
Well, and then here's what hetells police about the day that
he had an interaction with LloydTobin.
He tells them that he hadpulled his car up.
By the way, there was a brightorange hatchback that he was
(20:09):
driving and there was aneyewitness that did see this
orange hatchback.
So from the beginning policehad this car listed as a
possible person of interest ofwho was driving it that day.
So he tells police that he wasgoing to the kids that hang out
there, that congregate there.
(20:30):
He was going to try and sellthem drugs and Lloyd Tobin
basically said hey, you know whoare you.
He was kind of going in thedirection where there's a bunch
of kids.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
He said no to drugs.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, lloyd's just like looking over the lake
right, like he's kind of byhimself at this point.
He's looking around, he knowsprobably everybody, he probably
goes there all the time sees thesame group of people, same
group of kids, and then he seesthis person of kids.
And then he sees this personright and doesn't kind of looks
nefarious and he kind of heapproaches him and he says like
(21:07):
you know, what are you doinghere?
And he's like oh man, you know,mind your business.
And this.
He's like you know, why don'tyou get out of here?
You know, everybody's justhaving a good time.
You know, just back off, I mean, this guy's a bouncer, right,
so maybe he felt comfortablejust saying that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well, this Billy Wallace.
He's used to confrontations.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, exactly, he's used to confrontations, you're
exactly right.
And so he thought he wasprobably handling it and
protecting the others that wereat the water.
And so he basically just tellsthis guy to leave.
Well, billy Wallace goes andgets his shotgun out of his car.
He comes back to Lloyd Tobinand Lloyd again stands up,
(21:48):
approaches him and, you know,says what you know, probably
like what are you going to dowith that?
What are you doing?
Just get out of here.
And, chris, he shoots him rightthere and then he tells police
that he threw the gun in thewater.
He ran, jumped in his orangehatchback, which he was driving
(22:10):
at the time, and left the scene.
I mean, that's what's so wild.
It is because this type ofcrime, the stranger on stranger
type of crimes, is unheard of.
I mean, and not unheard of, butit's very rare.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So that's why, when they thought, when they were
really looking into the people,that we had been with Especially
just to shoot somebody likethat with a shotgun just out of
the blue.
I mean that's pretty severe.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
But that's what I'm saying, just for telling you to
leave the leave the beach yeah,he wasn't going to locals, I
mean only I mean you, we saythat, but then he just shoots a
guy randomly off of loop 820 andthen shoots a woman in a road
rage and then kills anotherwoman that he met at a dance
club and kills her behind thebowling alley.
(23:03):
I mean, this guy is a serialkiller, I mean this guy I mean,
thankfully he was, you know,unfortunately a young child had
to suffer, you know, some sortof distress and crime against
them because that's how he endedup in prison, against them
because that's how he ended upin prison.
(23:23):
And then he ends up stabbinghis psychiatrist in jail who's
probably trying to help him orfigure out what's wrong with him
.
And so I mean this guy is alunatic, I mean an absolute
lunatic.
And so that's why, to me, I wasso shocked when this type of
character, who is involved inthe, in these type of erratic
(23:45):
behavior things, um decides thathe's going to write a letter
and send it to the fort worthcold case unit and confess to
these crimes, because if hewould have never done that, I
don't think this case would havebeen solved I don't know if any
of those cases would have beensolved yeah, but he wanted to
kind of clear his conscience,you know.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I would wonder if anything would come about
just over the years if anybodyhas been wrongfully committed
for some of these other crimespotentially that he has
confessed to.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, not only did I think about that, yeah, and not
only did I think about that, notjust with him, chris, but with
everyone else that is sitting.
You know, he writes the letterto police.
He confesses to multiple crimes, including the death of Lloyd
Tobin, you know.
And that makes me think.
How many other criminals, howmany are sitting behind bars,
(24:36):
never getting out and take thiskind of information to their
graves?
Thank you,
Welcome all of you on in true crime lovers.
I'm Brandi and I'm and this isTexas Wine and True Crime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
Murder in Lake Worth.
We have got a live show comingup April 5th at Robert Clay
Vineyards, and not only that,but they are our winery of the
(00:39):
month for March, and tonight weare sipping on a beautiful
Chardonnay 2021, vintage Barrel3 of 3.
I'm excited to share that otherbarrel with you on next episode
.
But, robert Clay Vineyards thisis grown and bottled by Robert
(01:00):
Clay.
We're enjoying this 2021Chardonnay, like I said, out of
barrel number three.
This 2021 illustrates theelegance of filtration,
softening prominentcharacteristics while delivering
a polished crisp finish.
Now this is aged for 12 monthsin neutral oak barrels.
This Chardonnay highlights therefined balance achieved through
(01:24):
the filtering process.
Like barrel number two, itearned a silver medal at the San
Francisco Chronicle WineCompetition.
But, chris, this is anexcellent wine.
We were fortunate enough tohave already been to Robert Clay
Vineyards and tasted some ofthat delicious wine, and then
(01:44):
we're going to be back for ourlive show.
So, so happy to have them thismonth.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to traveling
back down there.
We had a really good time whenwe were out there.
I guess that was around ouranniversary.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes, it was Lots of fun.
Yeah, it's a beautiful area.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
They have delicious wines there too, goodness
gracious.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
So good, but we will be there april 5th, robert clay,
thank you.
Thank you so much for being ourwinery of the month this month.
You can check them out in mason, texas, and tell them your
friends at texas wine and truecrime sent you.
Okay, chris, are you ready tojump into this week's case?
absolutely all friends, it'stime to sip some wine and talk
(02:25):
some crime.
So tonight we are discussing acase out of Lake Worth, texas,
back in 1986.
So for more than 20 years thiscase remained unsolved, until
there was a break back in 2011.
So, thankfully, this case isnow considered solved and closed
(02:48):
.
We're always trying to shedlight on past and present cases,
but it's these kinds of casesthat most people have probably
never heard of.
But it's more important toshare these stories since this
can happen to anyone and for solong this family had no answers
(03:09):
but now they do, and I thinkit's a 30-year-old bouncer
living in Lake Worth at the time.
So this is 1986.
He's described as a loyal guy,a friendly person.
(03:30):
He was a dad, a brother, a son.
He worked hard, he cared aboutpeople he loved, was a protector
to those that you know not onlyworked in the bar where he was
a bouncer, but really went outof their, out of his way just to
take care of people and makepeople feel safe.
And why this is so ironic andwhy this piece of Lloyd Tobin,
(03:58):
who people remember and and andthe kind of guy he was.
He comes in.
He ends up face to face withthe person that took his life in
order to protect other peoplethat were at the lake that day.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Okay.
So, they've makes it even worsefor him.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, so it's like the kind of guy he is and then
come to find out he was actuallytrying to protect other other
young people hanging out thisday and lake worth is just kind
of right around it where it'scloser to fort worth right by
fort worth yeah so.
But even though lake worth is alake, loy tobin was actually
(04:38):
hanging out what they calledback then the beach, so they
called it the beach area, eventhough there wasn't any white
sand, it was just basicallybrush and trees, and they called
it their little beach.
So it was popular amongst theteenagers and adults from the
area.
But this is where people hungout.
So this is where Louis Tobin ison that day back in 1986.
(05:05):
So it's hot outside, Kids arerunning around.
It's a busy area but it is alittle desolate.
So there's lots of trees, lotsof brush.
So when we start to talk aboutthis case there, were people
there right.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
And they heard something.
This must have been kind oflike the local hangout in that
town.
I mean, that was back whenprobably teenagers and young
adults we used to go outside andenjoy some beers in the sun and
water and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
So, and you know, and and it's hot and it's a place
to cool off and sit in some lawnchairs right or a couple chairs
and have a couple beers.
So it was just so.
It was just, you know, it wasjust kind of the hangout where
everybody was.
So he's hanging out at the lakethis particular day and there,
like I said, there were peoplein the area, but he's actually
(05:59):
there with a friend earlier inthe day.
So he actually goes there twice.
So he's there with a friend,but then he leaves to go back to
his house.
He was living with his sisterand his and his mother at the
time, um, before then returningback later in the early evening.
So his sister is actuallysupposed to be meeting him there
(06:21):
shortly.
Um, again, there was anothercouple in the area and so when
he goes back, there's noeyewitnesses to this crime, but
there is an eyewitness to seeinga car and we do have a young
couple that what they thoughtthey heard was a gunshot, and
then they see someone runningthrough the trees in the brush.
(06:43):
Okay, so Lloyd Tobin was thereearlier in the day.
He returns home, he's supposedto be meeting his sister there.
She's got some things to do atthe house.
He then returns back to thislake area.
He was with a friend earlier inthat day.
This guy will actually end upbecoming pretty much the first
suspect in Lloyd's death.
(07:04):
So he was with him earlier inthe day.
But then when he returns hegoes back by himself the couple
that is there.
They claim to hear a gunshot.
So he go.
You know, I think one of themstarts going and looking, going
towards the sound right andgoing to see what it is, and
then the actually the femalesees someone running through the
(07:26):
brush.
So she will give a statement topolice.
She will actually identify in alineup that first friend I
shared with you that Lloyd waswith earlier that day.
So she IDs him out of a picturelineup.
Well, police arrive.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
This is in the afternoon, so I mean it's like
it's dark.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Well, I would say it's not dark, it's in the
daytime, that's right, it gets alittle later in the summertime
as well too.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I'm just trying to envision.
Yeah, but it's not dark.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I wouldn't even say it's dusk, yet I would say it's
daytime.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
That's what I mean, because in that time of year it
can get dark Gosh it can be.
I mean sorry, staylight untillike almost 830 at night, right.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So, yeah, no, it was daylight and when they heard
what they thought was a shot andthen they see someone running,
that was she says, well, I'msupposed to meet my brother here
.
And they said, well, you know,this is a crime scene right now.
(08:44):
So nobody really knows anythingexcept these few people that
have seen one person and heard agunshot.
So police come kind of takingoff the air, taping off the area
, but really they have nothingto go on.
And what's so wild about thisis the family had this feeling.
(09:07):
Once they end up finding outthat this indeed is Lloyd, they
kind of have this feeling likethis isn't going to be solved
unless we, the family, startinserting ourselves into this
investigation, start talking topeople, start talking to friends
.
Remember, he's a bouncer, sodid he come in contact with
(09:29):
someone that might have beenangry?
Maybe he threw someone out, itwasn't unknown.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well, it's 1986, too, in a smaller town, and probably
just even the investigation isprobably not a little less than
it would be, I guess, this timeyeah.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, so I mean you have.
You have a guy who's now goingto then eventually be identified
as Lloyd Tobin.
He was shot once with a shotgun.
We know he was actually facingthe person who shot him.
But yeah, the family's thinking, you know we're going to have
to figure out who did this.
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So Lloyd's sister, chris,attempts to go find her brother
at that lake, like I mentioned,and he's not anywhere to be
(12:10):
found.
His body then is identified.
In fact the couple that sawLloyd or eventually identified
the sound of what the gunshot.
They identify him.
Like I mentioned, he had beenshot once with a shotgun.
So the family takes theinvestigation into their own
hands.
Police are investigatingLloyd's friend who was at the
(12:34):
lake with him that day.
He's their number one suspect.
He actually comes up, chris,while they're doing the
investigation, still at thelakeside, and he seems kind of
intoxicated.
He's saying things that kind ofpoint to his guilt.
Like pressing them forinformation and stuff like that,
(12:55):
just kind of inserting himselfinto the investigation a little
bit, but they can clearly seehe's been drinking all day.
But they want to ask him somemore questions.
So they end up taking him downto the station and he's actually
ID'd by one of the people thatheard the gunshot.
Um, but he took a poly, passedthe poly and he also had a tight
(13:21):
, a tight alibi.
So by the time they kind offigured all of that out, he was
dismissed as a suspect.
Now there was a woman who cameforward and she found a letter
that was written by herex-boyfriend and in that letter
it's describing the murder herex-boyfriend and in that letter
it's describing the murder, um,she.
It's saying specific thingsthat this person did to Lloyd.
(13:47):
But here's the thing None of itmatches the crime scene.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, and who writes them?
Yeah, and you know they try,people try they.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
They try to confess and and and write things, but
really they don't have theactual details, like a murderer
would, and that letter did notmatch anything at the scene.
Several other tips came in,several other persons of
interest were actuallyinterviewed, but ultimately they
(14:17):
did not find any viableevidence with any of those leads
and eventually this case doesgo cold.
Police in Fort Worth Cold CaseUnit receive a letter.
So this is.
You know we're gonna I'll talkabout this at the end of this
story but you have a Texasinmate in 2009 by the name of
(14:43):
Billy Wallace.
He writes a letter to the FortWorth Cold Case Unit, okay, and
he states in this letter that hewould like to confess to some
crimes he committed in the 1980s.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And you wonder what would make him do that too?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, you know, clearing your conscious, which I
thought to myself.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I kind of thought potentially get interviewed out
of it or something like that too.
Who knows?
I mean, a lot of people willmake those confessions just
because they can, if they're.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Um, I don't want to say salacious enough, but you
know, a juicy enough crime orsomething like that, they might
draw some media attention no, Iwell maybe, but but yeah, but
typically, depending on who youare like, what kind of criminal
you are if people would even beinterested in that right Because
not all crimes are interesting,if that makes sense.
(15:43):
When it comes to and pluspolice officers, people who are
spending time and resources intothings like this, they're
probably going to sniff that outpretty quick, and I think
that's exactly what theyprobably thought when they got
this letter was what is thisperson going to tell us?
Is this a waste of our time?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
But yeah, because he doesn't indicate what the crime
is, just that he wants toconfess to a crime.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
That's right.
But he sent it to the FortWorth Cold Case Unit and he
wanted to talk about crimes, youknow, in the Fort Worth area.
Now, at this time, BillyWallace was serving life in
prison.
He had received 20 years on aconviction of indecency with a
(16:30):
child.
Well, after that conviction, heactually attacked and stabbed
his basically jail psychiatristin the neck in 2001 and then was
given life for the attemptedmurder on the doctor.
So this guy's not goinganywhere, okay yeah, that's what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
And also, too, I think sometimes you, you see
these, um, I'm sure a lot ofthese will come true, you know,
with these confessions, but Ithink some of the times they
they will do this to, um, youknow, you never know like it's.
It could probably be a liferight.
Well, life's pretty boring, Iimagine, as a death row inmate,
so add a little excitement toyour life by getting some media
(17:10):
attention yeah, you're not goinganywhere.
You're already serving, servinglife.
So what's the worst thing thathappened to you?
I, I guess.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
That's right, but I don't know.
So one of the cold casedetectives goes and visits him,
not just once but a few times,and what's interesting is
Wallace is confessing tomultiple crimes.
The first one he confesses tois to strangling and stabbing
(17:37):
Alicia Richardson in an alleybehind I think it's Meadowbrook
Drive in Fort Worth.
So he tells police he meets herat a nearby club in 1994, and
then he ends up killing her.
And so police are thinking,okay, like now we can't like.
(18:05):
This is a real person who waskilled and he's admitting to,
he's confessing to killing her.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
And those weren't the only confessions I was going to
say too, and I mean I'm sure,obviously, if he is the killer,
he has very specific detailsabout the crime and the crime
scene that the average personmay not know.
So that's what makes it morebelievable.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
He told police that he actually burned down his
neighbor's homes.
He was actually never chargedwith this crime, but police
actually confirmed this storyand that there were a couple of
arsons go in his neighborhood.
You were saying something.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I said he was a fire bug too.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yes, Not only that, he also confesses to a shooting
spree on loop eight 20.
And he tells that the victimand this was a road rage that he
had shot a woman on Loop 820near Tarrant Community College
and then also had shot a male inthe face near the same area in
(19:10):
the 1980s.
So police are really trying tolike find these victims which,
by the way, I don't know if theyever did find the woman and the
man I mean they had.
The Alicia Richardson's familywas, I'm sure, notified but and
I'm sure that the arson,eventually the homeowners
(19:34):
eventually found out it was him,but he's literally telling them
about these other crimes thatyou know they're looking for
these victims.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
I was going to say the potential to close a lot of
other cases.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yes, that's right, or somebody that could have been
wrongfully convicted too.
Well, and then here's what hetells police about the day that
he had an interaction with LloydTobin.
He tells them that he hadpulled his car up.
By the way, there was a brightorange hatchback that he was
(20:09):
driving and there was aneyewitness that did see this
orange hatchback.
So from the beginning policehad this car listed as a
possible person of interest ofwho was driving it that day.
So he tells police that he wasgoing to the kids that hang out
there, that congregate there.
(20:30):
He was going to try and sellthem drugs and Lloyd Tobin
basically said hey, you know whoare you.
He was kind of going in thedirection where there's a bunch
of kids.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
He said no to drugs.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
You know, lloyd's just like looking over the lake
right, like he's kind of byhimself at this point.
He's looking around, he knowsprobably everybody, he probably
goes there all the time sees thesame group of people, same
group of kids, and then he seesthis person of kids.
And then he sees this personright and doesn't kind of looks
nefarious and he kind of heapproaches him and he says like
(21:07):
you know, what are you doinghere?
And he's like oh man, you know,mind your business.
And this.
He's like you know, why don'tyou get out of here?
You know, everybody's justhaving a good time.
You know, just back off, I mean, this guy's a bouncer, right,
so maybe he felt comfortablejust saying that.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Well, this Billy Wallace.
He's used to confrontations.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, exactly, he's used to confrontations, you're
exactly right.
And so he thought he wasprobably handling it and
protecting the others that wereat the water.
And so he basically just tellsthis guy to leave.
Well, billy Wallace goes andgets his shotgun out of his car.
He comes back to Lloyd Tobinand Lloyd again stands up,
(21:48):
approaches him and, you know,says what you know, probably
like what are you going to dowith that?
What are you doing?
Just get out of here.
And, chris, he shoots him rightthere and then he tells police
that he threw the gun in thewater.
He ran, jumped in his orangehatchback, which he was driving
(22:10):
at the time, and left the scene.
I mean, that's what's so wild.
It is because this type ofcrime, the stranger on stranger
type of crimes, is unheard of.
I mean, and not unheard of, butit's very rare.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
So that's why, when they thought, when they were
really looking into the people,that we had been with Especially
just to shoot somebody likethat with a shotgun just out of
the blue.
I mean that's pretty severe.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
But that's what I'm saying, just for telling you to
leave the leave the beach yeah,he wasn't going to locals, I
mean only I mean you, we saythat, but then he just shoots a
guy randomly off of loop 820 andthen shoots a woman in a road
rage and then kills anotherwoman that he met at a dance
club and kills her behind thebowling alley.
(23:03):
I mean, this guy is a serialkiller, I mean this guy I mean,
thankfully he was, you know,unfortunately a young child had
to suffer, you know, some sortof distress and crime against
them because that's how he endedup in prison, against them
because that's how he ended upin prison.
(23:23):
And then he ends up stabbinghis psychiatrist in jail who's
probably trying to help him orfigure out what's wrong with him
.
And so I mean this guy is alunatic, I mean an absolute
lunatic.
And so that's why, to me, I wasso shocked when this type of
character, who is involved inthe, in these type of erratic
(23:45):
behavior things, um decides thathe's going to write a letter
and send it to the fort worthcold case unit and confess to
these crimes, because if hewould have never done that, I
don't think this case would havebeen solved I don't know if any
of those cases would have beensolved yeah, but he wanted to
kind of clear his conscience,you know.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah, I would wonder if anything would come about
just over the years if anybodyhas been wrongfully committed
for some of these other crimespotentially that he has
confessed to.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, not only did I think about that, yeah, and not
only did I think about that, notjust with him, chris, but with
everyone else that is sitting.
You know, he writes the letterto police.
He confesses to multiple crimes, including the death of Lloyd
Tobin, you know.
And that makes me think.
How many other criminals, howmany are sitting behind bars,
(24:36):
never getting out and take thiskind of information to their
graves?
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