March 31, 2025 • 52 mins
The suburbs of Frisco, Texas became the backdrop for a chilling murder when Anna Moses, a Russian-born analyst at the University of Texas Dallas, was found shot six times in her garage after failing to show up for work in January 2015. What first appeared to be a robbery gone wrong revealed itself as something far more deliberate.
Anna's divorce from Robert "Bob" Moses two years prior had seemingly set her free. She maintained her home, excelled in her career, and was building meaningful connections—romantic and otherwise—at her workplace. But when police discovered a locked letter written in both Russian and English detailing threats made by her ex-husband, the investigation took a dramatic turn.
What makes this case particularly fascinating is the constellation of relationships surrounding Anna. From the professor who had given her $46,000 to multiple male admirers who were shocked to learn about each other at her memorial service, Anna lived a compartmentalized life that became fully exposed only in death. Meanwhile, her 20-year-old son Igor's unusually calm reaction to his mother's murder raised eyebrows, especially when he later became the star witness defending his adoptive father at trial.
The physical evidence painted a compelling picture: Bob's fresh hand injury, his blood mixed with Anna's in her recovered vehicle, and his unexpected inquiries about her will and insurance policy. But nothing in this case was straightforward. The mysterious missing Taco Bell quesadilla became a central point of contention, potentially disrupting the prosecution's timeline and Bob's guilt.
Despite maintaining his innocence and a vigorous defense, Robert Moses was convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Was justice served, or did investigators miss something crucial in their focus on the scorned ex-husband? Listen as we unravel this Texas tragedy where blood ties, financial motives, and broken hearts converge in unexpected ways.
What cases from your community have stayed with you? Join the conversation and follow us for more deep dives into Texas true crime stories that rarely make national headlines but reveal profound truths about human relationships.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Welcome all of you on in true crime lovers.
I'm Brandi.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And I'm Chris.
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but I do kind of like the factthat not a lot of people go to
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And then, the last but notleast, Chris, April the 3rd just
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So come to this show, friends.
It has been a wonderful,wonderful pleasure to be at
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We're going to have True CrimeBroads talking about the Missy
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I know that case just sits onpeople's minds here in Texas.
(05:33):
So come see us at Henry's onThursday April 3rd.
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Yes.
Not our last live show ever.
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No Last live show there.
Yes, and so grateful andthankful it's been such a.
It's a great.
We've had a great run there.
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But we will be back there,don't.
I'm sure this will not be ourlast show at Henry's, but
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Don't miss it.
Come see us out there.
(06:03):
All right, chris, are you readyto jump into this week's case?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, friends, it's time to sip some wine and talk
some crime.
So this week we are discussingthe murder of Anna Moses, who
was living in Frisco, texas, atthe time of her death.
So Anna was found at her homein January of 2015 when she did
(06:29):
not show up for work.
Officers went to Anna's housein Frisco to do a welfare check
and Chris that's when they foundher dead inside of her garage.
Now Anna Moses is actually aRussian native whose family had
moved to Florida to basicallyjust pursue the American dream.
So she went to school there.
She started college there.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Grew up just as a, as I say, as as an American, of
course, Right.
Yeah, I mean she's she wasgrown in Russia, right?
How old was she?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
When she came to Florida I would say maybe like
mid-teens she ended up going tocollege in Florida, st
Petersburg.
This is actually where shemeets her first husband.
Well, I'm sorry, that would beher second husband.
She was actually married andhad a son and then divorced in
(07:25):
her late 20s.
And so that's when she meetsRobert, who ends up being a
tourist and he's invited tobasically visit the college and
he ends up in her English class.
So that's when he meets her.
So she meets Robert, becausethat's how she's going to end up
in Frisco.
So she meets Robert, and this Ithink was around 1998.
(07:49):
And at the time she had a youngson.
She had been divorced from thefather and the son's name is
Igor.
But when Robert and her gotmarried, you know, he adopted
Igor.
So he raised him most of hislife, I believe, until this,
(08:15):
probably even after thishappened, because I'm going to
talk about the trial, becauseIgor ends up testifying in in
the case of his in his mother'scase, testifying in in the case
of his in his mother's case buthe suffered with childhood
cancer when he was I I think hewas probably around eight or
nine years old and maybe maybe atad older but but very young.
(08:35):
And robert really.
Chris was the one who got himthrough this for a father figure
you know from, from someone whoneeded a dad at this time and
he even gets a little choked uptalking about this um in in the
trial, in the case, as we kindof go through this, you can tell
this kid really loved him and Ithink that's really the hardest
(08:59):
part about this case is that hewas very close to Robert but he
loved his mom too.
But they meet in Florida.
She has a son.
They end up moving to Frisco.
They end up getting marriedjust a few months actually when
they arrived.
But friends describe her as and, by the way, he's 19 years
(09:23):
older than Anna.
Robert is.
So there's, a significant gap inage difference.
So that was kind of the firstthings.
When friends started to meethim and people got to know him,
they were a little unsure aboutthe fact that he was just he's
(09:46):
almost 20 years older than sheis.
So, you know, could they andwhat they have in common?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
we actually?
Yeah, I'll say we know some umpeople that made that similar
move too at one point, and itwas difficult well, and I think
it's probably more.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I mean, I don't know, now you have like right, it's
the whole like cougar thing,like divorce, and then you go
out with somebody younger, but Ithink for her you know she was
pretty established in the US.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I don't think there's male cougars.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, there's not male cougars.
There's male young20-somethings who are dating
women in their forties right, soit's kind of the new.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Thinking of the 19 year gap and just, yeah, that's
a.
That's hard.
That's a totally differentmindset between the twenties and
somebody that's in theirforties.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know, so.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So they describe her friends describe her as worldly
and sophisticated so these wereactually two words used for her.
She had created a stable lifeby she actually worked at UTD
right in Dallas.
So she worked as an analyst atthe University of Texas, at
Dallas's strategy department.
She was making very goodfriends with a lot of the
(11:05):
professors.
She had a stable I would sayshe had a very stable community.
But I think the differencesbetween her right.
You're 19 years younger thanyour husband and you're starting
to meet new people.
You're starting to havedifferent interests, you're
(11:27):
starting to kind of findyourself, I think, a little more
.
And it just wasn't working out.
So she actually wanted adivorce.
So she and Robert divorced inMarch of 2013.
And because of her job, becauseof the independence she had
grown, because of the friendsshe was making, she was able to
(11:48):
maintain the house by herself.
So he ends up moving out.
She is in the house and, fromwhat we know now, was really
building a pretty happy life andshe was excited about her
future.
Anna had plans to meet herboyfriend the night this
(12:11):
happened, so Michael Stodnik ishis name.
I saw him in an interview thenight before she's found, so
she's found the next day but heis supposed to be taking her out
on a date.
So he shows up at her home topick her up.
There just isn't a responsefrom her she had.
He was calling her, trying toget ahold of her.
(12:34):
I think maybe he at the time hethought maybe she fell asleep,
maybe she doesn't feel well.
I, I, you know.
I don't think his instinctnecessarily was to call the
police immediately when shedidn't respond to his calls and
texts.
But the next day he got a littleworried.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think too that even so, like if you
were just dating somebody, howserious were they?
And then also too, like is thata normal response?
Like what if you were just likefirst or second date?
Then you go to pick somebody up, they don't answer the door.
You might think they're justkind of ditching you too, you
know so.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well, she worked with him, so they were friends
before they started dating.
I'm saying the average, you know, like I said, as far as him
calling the police and beingthat concerned, because which is
a good thing, you know- yeahWell, the next day, when she
didn't show up for work, that'swhen things got a little
concerning, because friends andcoworkers, they could not reach
(13:28):
her, nobody could reach her.
That's when Michael talked tothem right, these are his
colleagues as well, and this iswhen he decides to call the
police and he asked them toperform a welfare check because
their friend is missing, andreally missing, since the night
before.
So, police, do this welfarecheck.
(13:51):
But there's no reason for themto go inside.
They didn't see anythingabnormal, just looking in.
They noticed that the lightswere out.
This is something else thatMichael tells police is that the
house looked dark, and so hethought that was a little
unusual um, it's gotta be ascary call too to go for a son
(14:11):
to uh have to go check on that.
So yeah, and the doors.
You know the doors were locked.
Um, really, they had no well,and her son, chris, is actually.
He's living on campus, so he'sactually a student at UTD at
this time, but he does go to hismother's house, but he does
live on campus, so they thinkshe was home alone when this
(14:34):
happened.
But when they do this welfarecheck, there's really no reason
for them to go inside.
The doors are locked, there'snothing broken in that doesn't
look like any windows have beenbroken, so they're just not
going to break down the doorunless there's kind of imminent
danger and nobody had called andsaid there's someone inside and
we think they might be indanger.
They were really just trying tofigure out is she there?
(14:56):
Is she not there?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So the responding officer, once he realizes that
everything's locked, he doesn'tsee anything abnormal.
He actually asked hiscolleagues to go and find Anna's
20-year-old son, igor, to helpgain access to the home.
So because and they found him,I mean he was at the school, he
was attending classes that dayand they find him, escort him to
(15:21):
the house, they ask him to waitin the police vehicle while
they use his keys to gainentrance to the house.
They ask him to wait in thepolice vehicle while they use
his keys to gain entrance intothe home.
So there was no car in thegarage.
So they get in and they'relooking around.
The house was neat, clean.
There wasn't anything reallyout of the ordinary.
(15:41):
But that is when they went intothe garage.
There was no car in the garage,but they did find Anna lying on
the garage floor.
She was deceased.
When they found her Nobody elsewas inside the home.
They went in clearly to makesure there's nothing nobody in
there.
But they immediately exit thehome and they wait on
investigators to show up andobserve the scene.
(16:02):
So a couple of things found byher body they well, let me.
Let me kind of go throughwhat's found and then what's not
found.
And then just the fact her caris missing.
Okay, so you would immediatelythink robbery possibly.
Her purse is still sittingthere.
(16:22):
She had got the mail.
Yeah, she had gotten her mailfrom that day.
So that has been confirmed,that she did get the mail from
that day.
There were other bloggings thatwere just left scattered around
her body, but her purse had$300 in it.
So they quickly I don't want tosay quickly, but if the car
hadn't been gone I think itwould have been even quicker for
them to assume this was not arobbery.
(16:43):
But they end up ruling outrobbery as the motive, but
because of what was found on her.
Now, maybe they took the carjust to get away, but a part of
this is the fact that theythought this could have been a
robbery.
But who leaves money $300 in apurse if you're stealing from
(17:08):
someone?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt all of her personal
belongings were there and itjust kind of definitely doesn't
have the makings of someonecoming in there trying to mug
her or anything like that and itgoing wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Well, and you know she was clearly in the well.
First of all, she was stillwearing her coat, she had her
scarf on.
She was clearly attacked rightthere, yeah, right when she
arrived, right when she arrives,right.
So she gets her stuff and she'sexiting her vehicle.
So that made them feel andthink that whoever did this was
(17:43):
waiting on her on some level,was waiting on her to do this.
So multiple shell casings arefound at the scene.
They end up belonging to a .22caliber.
But whoever did this, chris,they shoot her six times, okay.
But they actually found sevenspent shell casings, and the
(18:03):
seventh one did not penetrateher body.
It was actually found wrappedup in the jacket and the scarf.
So what?
Whether it, I don't know, Idon't.
I mean, I'm not a gun person,you are more than me.
Whether it fell out, I don'tknow, but it didn't penetrate
her.
But there was a total of 11shell casings, but there were no
(18:26):
other holes in the walls.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
When you want to.
I mean those 22s don't give offa very loud, loud report.
But you know, did they wrap?
It in something too like acloth or a pillow, and some
something could have been.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, which would make sense because nobody heard
anything, which police thoughtwas a little unusual.
But they find 11 casings and sothey were really trying to
figure out why are there 11casings?
She's been shot, you know, weknow she was hit six times.
But also in that autopsy report, chris, she was covered in
(19:02):
bruises consistent withdefensive wounds or a fall.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So she put up a fight and um which is kind of amazing
considering how many times shewas shot.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, and I think police were just really confused
on why so many shell casingsfound at the scene, but then
there's no other holes to gowith the.
You know the five unaccountedfor, you know dislodged bullets
from the gun.
So they're really just tryingto figure out how they ended up
there.
So, as we know grief, everyonegrieves differently.
(19:36):
So they have this bad news nowRemember, her son is in the car,
okay, at this time and they goback back to the car what's his
demeanor while this is going on?
so he's in the car waiting, andthen they go and talk to him and
basically tell him that theyhave found his mother deceased
(20:00):
in the garage.
And he asked them is she in onepiece?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
that's an odd response or odd question.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I wonder what their response was um, I think their
reaction was well.
First of all, they thought thiswas a strange reaction from a
young man who had just lost hismother right, who had just been
told his mother is dead.
He also tells them, chris, thathe has class later.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Um, like that's super important.
Well, they, they.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
He says that, yeah, so he says this, as they're
basically telling him they needto bring him in for questioning
and have some questions for him,right?
And then he says, well, youknow, just so you know, I've got
class later and they respond tohim like, well, I think you'll
be excused from that based onthe circumstances we're dealing
(21:01):
with.
So and, by the way, there ispolice video body cam of this
conversation with with Igor andand I've seen it so he was very
relaxed and, like I said, noteverybody reacts differently,
(21:22):
but oh yeah, I mean, police werea little suspicious, they were
a little suspicious of hisreaction.
Um, he ends up okay, he goes tothe police station, gets
questioned, has a conversation,but then he's released right
there.
There's nothing to hold him.
So he goes and he actually seesfriends that night.
(21:45):
He goes and he actually playsvideo games and makes a comment
that whoever did this should beforgiven.
Did this should be forgiven?
Now her friends will come outand say that Igor had become
very religious around this point.
(22:06):
So they thought maybe that'swhy he made the comment about
forgiveness, which could be, buthere's what we know also.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Or he could have just had a very poor relationship
with his mother.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, and you know, I don't know he will become the
defense's star witness, chris,in favor of Robert.
That we do know.
So whether that relationshipand it's not that I don't think
he loved his mother, I think hedid and but again he's I don't
know His reaction was not whatpolice thought his reaction
(22:43):
should be.
So he was definitely high ontheir radar, especially when
they find out he is the solebeneficiary to her 750 000 life
insurance policy that shecarried on her life.
But they, life, but they, hehas an alibi.
I mean, he's at school.
So you know, once they startlooking into this a little bit,
(23:09):
they try to figure out could hehave left school and done this
and then gone back to school?
So we'll get back to Igor in aminute, but he is definitely hot
number one suspect after theyfind Anna.
So police start to uncover thefact that Anna was single.
She had many admirers in herI'm going to say repertoire,
(23:33):
because she led a very quietprivate life.
But she had multiple men in herlife since her divorce and her
ex-husband, robert Bob Moses,was clearly distraught when he
was told that Anna had beenmurdered.
(23:54):
Okay, so you've got multiplemen in her life.
Police.
Go to Robert the next day, okay, and tell him about Anna.
He is clearly upset.
But now you're going to belooking at second suspect,
second person of interest, whichis possibly the ex husband.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And they've been divorced for like two years.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, not very long two years.
But the current boyfriend so heis the one that called in the
initial welfare check wasquestioned and he asked should I
lawyer up?
And I think this whole I justwant to kind of preface this
with how many people wereactually questioned?
(24:37):
That knew Anna?
They were all a little quirky.
People were actually questionedthat knew Anna, they were all a
little quirky.
I would say none of themactually gave like police, never
felt like any of them were likesuper solid people who were
actually.
They all just had weirdreactions to some of these
(25:00):
questions.
Okay so, but Bob Moses?
Bob Moses was clearlydistraught, um, but again
ex-husband and going to be ontop of the radar.
So the current boyfriend, whodid that initial welfare check?
He asked if he needs to lawyerup.
Who did that initial welfarecheck?
(25:21):
He asked if he needs to lawyerup.
He starts asking questions andbecause of all these strange
vibes that they're getting fromall these men, eventually it's
really hard for them to zero inon one of these guys.
So it wasn't until her memorial, which was in like within a
week to 10 days of her beingdead.
(25:42):
This is when her ex Robert BobMoses is at her memorial.
Other men are there.
Police are wondering, could thekiller be there?
And they all were kind offinding out about each other at
this memorial.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
That good there was yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So we're gonna find out that she ended up was
romantically involved with aprofessor.
They ended up breaking it off,but he continued to give her
money, um, to help her, becausehe was a nice guy.
I mean, I've seen an interviewwith him.
That's basically what he sayshe did.
Chris police say he ended upgiving her $46,000.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's a pretty nice guy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, over the time that they knew each other, um,
she had a friend who would comeover to her house and read
poetry with her talk, havereally in-depth conversations.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
He had no idea she had a boyfriend, so she is kind
of keeping some of this privateI'm getting an interesting gist,
though, from all this too, butas we go along, uh, that I mean
clearly she has ties, like Isaid, to a lot of different men,
which is kind of like youalmost wonder, and most of them
(27:02):
all work with her.
Well, yeah, you also wonder too.
I mean, she obviously kept itquiet, but you wonder if her son
was witnessing some of this too.
Because I mean, just kind ofgetting back to his attitude
about the whole thing, I know,Was he getting fed up with it as
well?
I mean, that could be hard for,especially at that age.
And then you know seeing abunch of men coming over and
(27:23):
seeing your mom I don't know,because she's still pretty young
.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Oh yeah, and not only that.
He Chris after the trial, andthen this is all over.
He takes the money and goes,builds a new life.
I don't think there's much wehear about him or from him after
this.
I think that whether he stillcontinues to have a relationship
(27:52):
with Bob Moses I don't know,but I do know that he was the
star witness in his father'sdefense for the murder of his
mother, and so I don't thinkwe'll ever know really what was
going through his head or whathe saw or what he was feeling.
But people felt sorry for himand, and I think you know, he
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lost his mom and they and theywere close and you know, but he
did have a good relationshipwith his, with his dad who had
adopted him.
So you know, it's just, it's ahard.
It's hard, you know, and thenyou're put in the middle of it,
then you've got to go to trialand you've lost one parent,
you're about to lose another, soyou want to save him, right,
(28:38):
and I think maybe that's justwhere he was coming from.
But there was over a hundredthousand dollars found in her
bank account and police thoughtyou know she didn't make that
kind of money from her job.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, and you have to think too, like how many people
just have that in their bankaccount.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I know.
So, was anybody else giving hermoney that they weren't aware
of?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Given that career, Because I mean, I know
professors do.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Well, she wasn't a professor, she was an analyst.
She works in the office.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No, I know, I'm just saying.
But even a professor, to giveher $46,000, that's a pretty
fair amount after taxes, thatthis professor is giving out of
his salary too.
So you know, it's a littleinteresting.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
So investigators spoke with Bob Moses on the day
after Anna's body was discoveredand during that interview,
police noticed a fresh cut onhis right hand.
It was so obvious because itwas literally soaking through
the bandage.
He had an excuse on where thecut had come from, but then,
days after the memorial, theybring Bob Moses back in again
(29:48):
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Okay, chris.
So in a locked desk in heroffice was a handwritten letter
by Anna that was written both inRussian and English.
So once they were able totranslate the letter, which had
been dated two years prior,around the time of the divorce,
she was accusing Bob Moses ofnot only making threats to her
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but making threats to hurthimself and accusing Anna of his
demise.
So she was basically writingthat he had threatened to take
his life and was going to writeletters to Igor, to other family
members, to make them thinkthat Anna had just pushed him to
the brink.
He clearly did not want thisdivorce and wanted Anna to stay
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in the marriage.
But threatening and coercingare clearly not working in his
favor because she did not stayin the marriage.
But she writes this letter andputs it in a locked desk.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
That is weird, I think this woman knew she was
afraid of him.
Oh yeah, I guess you could thinkof that in some way.
But if that was the case too, Imean to me, what point is
writing a letter and locking,locking a desk and then run the
risk of somebody never findingthat letter, versus just being
communicating with somebody youknow, like, does she not want to
(34:50):
raise a sting and have themtell her just to go?
You just need to go to thepolice this and that.
But I don't know, it's justkind of.
You know, if I'm ever dead, youknow, it's kind of like what I
always say All the true crimeyou watch.
If I'm ever dead, you know,it's kind of like what I always
say all the true crime you watch.
If I'm ever dead, go find youfirst.
So I mean I don't know, but Imean I don't say that, I say it
jokingly, of course, but youknow what I mean.
(35:12):
Like, if you really They'llfind me first.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I assure you, they'll find me first.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I just feel like that would be something you'd want
to kind of lay on somebody'sears, versus just writing a note
and locking it away and hopingbecause you know what if
somebody never goes through thatdesk.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So who knows?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think it's almost like a diary or something like
that.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, I think she knows that somebody would have
eventually found it right.
Let's say there wasn't awarrant for her office, but now
she's deceased and they're goingto clean out her desk because
someone else is going to beusing it at some point.
Somebody is eventually going tofind that letter and I think
maybe she didn't want the wronghands getting on it when she,
you know, um my letter will beon the coffee table, just so you
(35:54):
know it was, but it wasprobably more of, like you said,
like a diary, like a letterabout what she was dealing with
and kind of just getting it outon paper.
But they thought it was veryinteresting that she wrote it in
Russian, so most peoplewouldn't be able to tell what it
said Even more difficult tointerpret.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Right, but I think that was purposely done.
I don't think that was accident.
I think she purposely did itthat way.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
That's why it's the whole notion of leaving your
death will, or whatever you know, to look for.
But yeah, it is very, very Justthe premonition of maybe
something happening.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
So after this letter's found they bring Bob
Moses back to the police stationfor further questioning and his
alibi so let me tell you abouthis alibi was that he had went
to Twin Peaks we know that placeto have a beer during the time
of the murder, but policebelieved he actually could have
killed her and then went to TwinPeaks.
So during this conversation BobMoses basically asking them
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about her will.
So he is saying you know Annahad a will, you know Igor needs
help.
Basically saying, like you know, I need to find out for the
family's sake if there's moneyto help out.
So they think this is strangeher family right I'm sorry her
(37:28):
family in florida?
no, no, like her, her son okayyeah, and the grandmother was um
, um, there was.
The grandmother was actuallyliving with igor at the house at
the time.
They end up moving back inafter she died.
Bob Moses ends up moving backinto the house after her death.
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Igor will get on the stand inthe trial and say that he asked
him to move back into the housejust so he could be there to
help and support.
But what Bob Moses did not know, chris, is that Anna had
updated her will, making her sonthe sole beneficiary of that
(38:11):
$750,000 life insurance policy.
Bob Moses had no idea.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Well, why would he think he'd still be on it?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Because most people do, because nobody verbally said
and told him that he wasn't.
And some people think peopleare dumb asses.
Maybe he think Anna Moseswasn't going to be thinking
about that and maybe that shewould have just left him on
there, since he was thecaretaker of Igor I mean, even
though Igor is now of age but hewasn't when Anna Moses had this
(38:43):
life insurance policyoriginally.
So Bob Moses would have beenthe beneficiary and then be able
to give Igor money.
But she changed it.
And not only did she change it,but she didn't say a word to
anyone that she had changed it.
So they're pressing him foranswers, asking him if he wanted
her dead.
Did he just want the money?
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He denies being involved.
He gets upset.
He wants to leave theinterrogation room.
So they let him leave.
But six weeks after Anna wasfound dead, bob Moses was
arrested on his birthday for themurder of Anna Moses.
So Bob Moses, chris, goes ontrial in Collin County.
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Multiple witnesses took thestand, including her son, igor,
who defended his dad, bob Moses,and did not believe he would
have killed his mother.
Like I said earlier, you couldjust tell he had a soft spot in
his heart.
You know um, he, he essentiallyraised him and helped him
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through his his scariest time ofof dealing with cancer as a
child.
But he was the star witness forthe defense and I think there
was a lot of hurt coming fromanna's side of the friends, the
family, um that he would havedefended his father.
But again, I come from a placeof you've lost one parent, maybe
(40:10):
Igor and his mom.
There were some issues or maybehe had certain feelings about
his mother and he was willingand again, like Anna's friends
had said, he had started tobecome very religious and maybe
a piece of him felt like theright thing to do was to get on
the stand and defend his dad,because that's basically what he
tried to do.
(40:32):
Okay, another witness had toldthe jury that Anna feared Bob
Moses, so she testified thatAnna had called her one night
and asked if she could come overbecause she thought he might
hurt her Prosecution.
By the way, his defenseattorney was Toby Shook, and
(40:54):
Toby Shook is a fantastic, afantastic defense lawyer, um,
here in the Dallas, fort Wortharea.
And he I mean, if there wasanybody you want to defend you
as Toby Shook, and and he tried,he basically they positioned it
as a robbery um, yeah, becauseI'm, I'm, you know, as we have
(41:16):
been reading about this andeverything too, it's like a lot
of this is just circumstantialevidence right, because there's
no murder weapon ever foundcorrect that's right yeah, that
is, um it's.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I mean, it's strange that they even went that far
with it.
Didn't thought that they would,you know, ever have a positive
outcome with this, you know so.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Well, the defense just said there's nothing
directly linking Bob Moses toher death right.
Well, that's what I mean.
There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
They didn't find it with anything, right, it's just
like okay, I don't mean, it'sjust that they would even have
this go to a grand jury and Ijust wonder.
It's Collin County, a smallertown, you know, and so maybe
they it's.
I just get the feeling thishappened in a different, a
bigger town or something likethat.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Like, just because they Well, this wasn't a grand
jury, this was the jury in theactual trial.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I mean to even have him, to arrest him and
everything, and then even takehim to court and try him for it.
It's just like I don't know,just not having the gun and not
knowing having that sort ofcircumstantial evidence.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Well, the alibi was that he was home all day but
that he had gone to Twin Peaksand had a beer, basically during
the murder, right?
So he couldn't have actuallydone it, because he is seen on
film, right?
He's seen on video at TwinPeaks.
So, but his roommates.
They couldn't vouch for him.
I mean, they didn't rememberseeing him at the house that day
(42:42):
.
There just wasn't any kind ofsolid alibi to say where.
You know where he actually was.
And what the prosecution didwas that they called every man
that was in her life at the timeonto the stand and ask them the
question you know what was yourrelationship relationship with,
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like with her?
You know how did you feel abouther?
You know, did you want her dead?
Did you kill her?
And by eliminating them, herpurpose was by eliminating them,
by putting them on the stand,asking these questions about her
.
The only person left was BobMoses, and that's really the way
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the prosecution went about it.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
They felt like they had a strong case.
I just was kind of pointing outthat seems to me like in this
sort of thing you'd want to havea little more evidence is all I
would say.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well, sometimes circumstantial evidence is
enough.
And now that they find thisletter right.
So that's another thing.
And then they have the cut onhis hand.
So there are multiple things Ithink that would have.
And and, by the way, his bloodis actually found in her vehicle
.
So he says the blood is from acut because he used to do house
(44:00):
work.
Even after their divorce hewould go over there and do work
at the house and then sometimesbe in her vehicle.
In fact Igor testifies to thisat the trial, that he that blood
stain was probably there for ayear, you know, or six months or
something.
But they didn't believe thatthey.
They said it was fresh blood,it was mixed in with her blood,
(44:22):
Right.
So that, I think, was thebiggest piece of evidence, was
that, you know, they end upfinding the vehicle and then
they end up finding his blood inthe vehicle.
So there were just, there wasjust too much in the shell
casings.
Ok, so the shell casings theyend up saying that they were
(44:43):
actually just thrown around onthe ground to throw off the
investigation, but that Bob hadplanned this and waited for Anna
to come home.
And the motive Money.
The motive was that he thoughthe was still on the life
insurance.
The motive was the fact thatthis guy was 20 years older than
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this beautiful, young, vibrantwoman who was living her best
life and she was done with himand he didn't like that.
He couldn't move on.
He was not financially okay.
He was living with roommates.
I think he was just jealous.
(45:25):
I think he was jealous.
I think he probably stalked her.
I think he probably knew moreabout her life than she probably
knew.
That he knew.
I think that a piece of herprobably felt that she had
gotten rid of him but that Igorand him still had a relationship
that were creepy, and I thinkshe kind of felt that she made
(45:56):
multiple calls to friends aboutthinking that somebody was
following her somebody waswatching her.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Maybe she had all that money, which is really
fishy.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I mean, that's like super fishy yeah they couldn't
explain where all that moneycame from.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Because also too, I mean just for you to accept all
that money, I mean that's a youknow you're kind of in violation
of some probably a tax code ortwo and not reporting it.
And you know there's like Imean, so who knows, and maybe he
knew about that um and foundout about it, or you know, I
mean that that's to me is theweirdest part of this whole
(46:29):
thing.
I don't know.
I mean certainly it's a tragedyand everything too, but it's
just like to have that muchamount of money, not have a
career.
That I mean we know some'saccounted for from one person,
but even for one person tonumber one, have access to that
much cash and then fork thatmuch cash over and to still have
(46:51):
cause.
He's giving her money to helpher out, but to still have
$100,000 in your account it's alot of money.
It's more than a lot of moneyjust to have sitting.
If you open up your accounttomorrow and you saw a hundred
grand, you might freak out Ashit ton of money just to have
(47:13):
to go.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I'd go get a massage.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Go dork around with.
So I just think that's peculiar, but we can certainly press on.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
So I want to talk about the quesadilla.
So we know she, Chris.
She went to Taco Bell.
They have video of her.
So the debt, the time of death,is around 5, 55 PM.
Okay, and the way that they'vekind of come up with this
calculation is based on her carbeing seen by TV CC footage
(47:43):
right Video surveillance fromthe Taco Bell on her way home
where her car is seen.
Okay, so they had a good timeof when she would have arrived
home, Okay.
Now, if she's killed a fewhours later than the 5.55, the
defense said Bob Moses issitting at that bar at seven so
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he could not have killed her,which is correct.
He was there at 7 o'clock butthere was no quesadilla found in
her stomach.
But the quesadilla wrapper wasfound with no quesadilla.
So police never confiscated thewrapper and tested the wrapper
(48:35):
for fingerprints, for any kindof DNA that would have been
transferred.
So whoever did this?
Ate the food?
Assumably ate the food.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
That's hardcore.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So this is this was the piecethat that the defense said.
Listen, this is this is wherethings come into question.
And if we are questioning thefact that you know, if she ate
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the quesadilla, then she wasn'tkilled at 5.55 pm, because she
would have had to been killedhours later and Abad Moses was
sitting at that bar.
So they think that somebody,whoever had done this, was the
one who possibly had eaten thatquesadilla, and so the men's
(49:37):
alibi.
So Toby Shook's, the defenseattorney's, point was those men
and their alibis that you havejust set up on this stand,
they're all out the windowbecause the timelines don't add
up.
They had the wrapper.
They never tested it forevidence.
So, chris, this was theirbiggest point was this
quesadilla which, unfortunately,we just don't really know
(50:02):
anything about.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
What's good advertising for Taco Bell too.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
It was good advertising for Taco Bell, but
yeah.
So lots of questions aboutwhether she even ate the
quesadilla, whether she wasbringing.
I personally think she did noteat that.
I think she brought it home.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I think she was going into her house because the cc
camera picks her up right beforetaco bell, they would be able
to in the autopsy to see thedigestion correct well, yes,
that's what, that's what I'msaying.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
So the timeline, the defense is saying if she ate
that quesadilla, yep, then shewasn't killed at 5.55.
And if she wasn't killed at 5.55and she was killed hours later,
well, Bob Moses is innocent, hecouldn't have done this and
that's what the defense led with.
But it wasn't enough.
Igor took takes the stand.
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He basically says that he lovedhis dad, that his father would
have never done this and whenBob Moses was asking the police
about the will, Igor took thiswhen he took the stand.
He says that he was asking forhimself, that he was asking for
Igor.
He wasn't asking it because hewanted the money, he wanted his
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son to have some of the money,and that he had asked him to
move back into the house afterhis mother passed away.
Because the whole thing was BobMoses moves back in, moves back
in, takes over the house whenAnna's dead and Igor says well,
(51:34):
no, not really, I actually askedhim to come and live there,
Chris, the jury didn't buy it.
A Collin County jury foundRobert Moses guilty of the
murder of Anna Moses.
He was 63 years old at the timeand he was found guilty of
murder and sentenced to life inprison.
He maintains his innocence andbelieves Anna was robbed, since
(51:57):
the debit card Chris she used topurchase that Taco Bell
quesadilla on the way home thatevening was never found.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, bye.
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We're going to have True CrimeBroads talking about the Missy
Beavers case.
I know that case just sits onpeople's minds here in Texas.
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So come see us at Henry's onThursday April 3rd.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yes.
Not our last live show ever.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
No Last live show there.
Yes, and so grateful andthankful it's been such a.
It's a great.
We've had a great run there.
It's been absolutely fantastic.
But we will be back there,don't.
I'm sure this will not be ourlast show at Henry's, but
officially, currently it is soApril 3rd.
Don't miss it.
Come see us out there.
(06:03):
All right, chris, are you readyto jump into this week's case?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay, friends, it's time to sip some wine and talk
some crime.
So this week we are discussingthe murder of Anna Moses, who
was living in Frisco, texas, atthe time of her death.
So Anna was found at her homein January of 2015 when she did
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not show up for work.
Officers went to Anna's housein Frisco to do a welfare check
and Chris that's when they foundher dead inside of her garage.
Now Anna Moses is actually aRussian native whose family had
moved to Florida to basicallyjust pursue the American dream.
So she went to school there.
She started college there.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Grew up just as a, as I say, as as an American, of
course, Right.
Yeah, I mean she's she wasgrown in Russia, right?
How old was she?
Speaker 1 (07:02):
When she came to Florida I would say maybe like
mid-teens she ended up going tocollege in Florida, st
Petersburg.
This is actually where shemeets her first husband.
Well, I'm sorry, that would beher second husband.
She was actually married andhad a son and then divorced in
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her late 20s.
And so that's when she meetsRobert, who ends up being a
tourist and he's invited tobasically visit the college and
he ends up in her English class.
So that's when he meets her.
So she meets Robert, becausethat's how she's going to end up
in Frisco.
So she meets Robert, and this Ithink was around 1998.
(07:49):
And at the time she had a youngson.
She had been divorced from thefather and the son's name is
Igor.
But when Robert and her gotmarried, you know, he adopted
Igor.
So he raised him most of hislife, I believe, until this,
(08:15):
probably even after thishappened, because I'm going to
talk about the trial, becauseIgor ends up testifying in in
the case of his in his mother'scase, testifying in in the case
of his in his mother's case buthe suffered with childhood
cancer when he was I I think hewas probably around eight or
nine years old and maybe maybe atad older but but very young.
(08:35):
And robert really.
Chris was the one who got himthrough this for a father figure
you know from, from someone whoneeded a dad at this time and
he even gets a little choked uptalking about this um in in the
trial, in the case, as we kindof go through this, you can tell
this kid really loved him and Ithink that's really the hardest
(08:59):
part about this case is that hewas very close to Robert but he
loved his mom too.
But they meet in Florida.
She has a son.
They end up moving to Frisco.
They end up getting marriedjust a few months actually when
they arrived.
But friends describe her as and, by the way, he's 19 years
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older than Anna.
Robert is.
So there's, a significant gap inage difference.
So that was kind of the firstthings.
When friends started to meethim and people got to know him,
they were a little unsure aboutthe fact that he was just he's
(09:46):
almost 20 years older than sheis.
So, you know, could they andwhat they have in common?
Speaker 2 (09:51):
we actually?
Yeah, I'll say we know some umpeople that made that similar
move too at one point, and itwas difficult well, and I think
it's probably more.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
I mean, I don't know, now you have like right, it's
the whole like cougar thing,like divorce, and then you go
out with somebody younger, but Ithink for her you know she was
pretty established in the US.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I don't think there's male cougars.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No, there's not male cougars.
There's male young20-somethings who are dating
women in their forties right, soit's kind of the new.
Thing.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Thinking of the 19 year gap and just, yeah, that's
a.
That's hard.
That's a totally differentmindset between the twenties and
somebody that's in theirforties.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know, so.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
So they describe her friends describe her as worldly
and sophisticated so these wereactually two words used for her.
She had created a stable lifeby she actually worked at UTD
right in Dallas.
So she worked as an analyst atthe University of Texas, at
Dallas's strategy department.
She was making very goodfriends with a lot of the
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professors.
She had a stable I would sayshe had a very stable community.
But I think the differencesbetween her right.
You're 19 years younger thanyour husband and you're starting
to meet new people.
You're starting to havedifferent interests, you're
(11:27):
starting to kind of findyourself, I think, a little more
.
And it just wasn't working out.
So she actually wanted adivorce.
So she and Robert divorced inMarch of 2013.
And because of her job, becauseof the independence she had
grown, because of the friendsshe was making, she was able to
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maintain the house by herself.
So he ends up moving out.
She is in the house and, fromwhat we know now, was really
building a pretty happy life andshe was excited about her
future.
Anna had plans to meet herboyfriend the night this
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happened, so Michael Stodnik ishis name.
I saw him in an interview thenight before she's found, so
she's found the next day but heis supposed to be taking her out
on a date.
So he shows up at her home topick her up.
There just isn't a responsefrom her she had.
He was calling her, trying toget ahold of her.
(12:34):
I think maybe he at the time hethought maybe she fell asleep,
maybe she doesn't feel well.
I, I, you know.
I don't think his instinctnecessarily was to call the
police immediately when shedidn't respond to his calls and
texts.
But the next day he got a littleworried.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, I mean, I think too that even so, like if you
were just dating somebody, howserious were they?
And then also too, like is thata normal response?
Like what if you were just likefirst or second date?
Then you go to pick somebody up, they don't answer the door.
You might think they're justkind of ditching you too, you
know so.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Well, she worked with him, so they were friends
before they started dating.
I'm saying the average, you know, like I said, as far as him
calling the police and beingthat concerned, because which is
a good thing, you know- yeahWell, the next day, when she
didn't show up for work, that'swhen things got a little
concerning, because friends andcoworkers, they could not reach
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her, nobody could reach her.
That's when Michael talked tothem right, these are his
colleagues as well, and this iswhen he decides to call the
police and he asked them toperform a welfare check because
their friend is missing, andreally missing, since the night
before.
So, police, do this welfarecheck.
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But there's no reason for themto go inside.
They didn't see anythingabnormal, just looking in.
They noticed that the lightswere out.
This is something else thatMichael tells police is that the
house looked dark, and so hethought that was a little
unusual um, it's gotta be ascary call too to go for a son
(14:11):
to uh have to go check on that.
So yeah, and the doors.
You know the doors were locked.
Um, really, they had no well,and her son, chris, is actually.
He's living on campus, so he'sactually a student at UTD at
this time, but he does go to hismother's house, but he does
live on campus, so they thinkshe was home alone when this
(14:34):
happened.
But when they do this welfarecheck, there's really no reason
for them to go inside.
The doors are locked, there'snothing broken in that doesn't
look like any windows have beenbroken, so they're just not
going to break down the doorunless there's kind of imminent
danger and nobody had called andsaid there's someone inside and
we think they might be indanger.
They were really just trying tofigure out is she there?
(14:56):
Is she not there?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
So the responding officer, once he realizes that
everything's locked, he doesn'tsee anything abnormal.
He actually asked hiscolleagues to go and find Anna's
20-year-old son, igor, to helpgain access to the home.
So because and they found him,I mean he was at the school, he
was attending classes that dayand they find him, escort him to
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the house, they ask him to waitin the police vehicle while
they use his keys to gainentrance to the house.
They ask him to wait in thepolice vehicle while they use
his keys to gain entrance intothe home.
So there was no car in thegarage.
So they get in and they'relooking around.
The house was neat, clean.
There wasn't anything reallyout of the ordinary.
(15:41):
But that is when they went intothe garage.
There was no car in the garage,but they did find Anna lying on
the garage floor.
She was deceased.
When they found her Nobody elsewas inside the home.
They went in clearly to makesure there's nothing nobody in
there.
But they immediately exit thehome and they wait on
investigators to show up andobserve the scene.
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So a couple of things found byher body they well, let me.
Let me kind of go throughwhat's found and then what's not
found.
And then just the fact her caris missing.
Okay, so you would immediatelythink robbery possibly.
Her purse is still sittingthere.
(16:22):
She had got the mail.
Yeah, she had gotten her mailfrom that day.
So that has been confirmed,that she did get the mail from
that day.
There were other bloggings thatwere just left scattered around
her body, but her purse had$300 in it.
So they quickly I don't want tosay quickly, but if the car
hadn't been gone I think itwould have been even quicker for
them to assume this was not arobbery.
(16:43):
But they end up ruling outrobbery as the motive, but
because of what was found on her.
Now, maybe they took the carjust to get away, but a part of
this is the fact that theythought this could have been a
robbery.
But who leaves money $300 in apurse if you're stealing from
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someone?
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt all of her personal
belongings were there and itjust kind of definitely doesn't
have the makings of someonecoming in there trying to mug
her or anything like that and itgoing wrong.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Well, and you know she was clearly in the well.
First of all, she was stillwearing her coat, she had her
scarf on.
She was clearly attacked rightthere, yeah, right when she
arrived, right when she arrives,right.
So she gets her stuff and she'sexiting her vehicle.
So that made them feel andthink that whoever did this was
(17:43):
waiting on her on some level,was waiting on her to do this.
So multiple shell casings arefound at the scene.
They end up belonging to a .22caliber.
But whoever did this, chris,they shoot her six times, okay.
But they actually found sevenspent shell casings, and the
(18:03):
seventh one did not penetrateher body.
It was actually found wrappedup in the jacket and the scarf.
So what?
Whether it, I don't know, Idon't.
I mean, I'm not a gun person,you are more than me.
Whether it fell out, I don'tknow, but it didn't penetrate
her.
But there was a total of 11shell casings, but there were no
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other holes in the walls.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
When you want to.
I mean those 22s don't give offa very loud, loud report.
But you know, did they wrap?
It in something too like acloth or a pillow, and some
something could have been.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, which would make sense because nobody heard
anything, which police thoughtwas a little unusual.
But they find 11 casings and sothey were really trying to
figure out why are there 11casings?
She's been shot, you know, weknow she was hit six times.
But also in that autopsy report, chris, she was covered in
(19:02):
bruises consistent withdefensive wounds or a fall.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So she put up a fight and um which is kind of amazing
considering how many times shewas shot.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, and I think police were just really confused
on why so many shell casingsfound at the scene, but then
there's no other holes to gowith the.
You know the five unaccountedfor, you know dislodged bullets
from the gun.
So they're really just tryingto figure out how they ended up
there.
So, as we know grief, everyonegrieves differently.
(19:36):
So they have this bad news nowRemember, her son is in the car,
okay, at this time and they goback back to the car what's his
demeanor while this is going on?
so he's in the car waiting, andthen they go and talk to him and
basically tell him that theyhave found his mother deceased
(20:00):
in the garage.
And he asked them is she in onepiece?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
that's an odd response or odd question.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I wonder what their response was um, I think their
reaction was well.
First of all, they thought thiswas a strange reaction from a
young man who had just lost hismother right, who had just been
told his mother is dead.
He also tells them, chris, thathe has class later.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Um, like that's super important.
Well, they, they.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
He says that, yeah, so he says this, as they're
basically telling him they needto bring him in for questioning
and have some questions for him,right?
And then he says, well, youknow, just so you know, I've got
class later and they respond tohim like, well, I think you'll
be excused from that based onthe circumstances we're dealing
(21:01):
with.
So and, by the way, there ispolice video body cam of this
conversation with with Igor andand I've seen it so he was very
relaxed and, like I said, noteverybody reacts differently,
(21:22):
but oh yeah, I mean, police werea little suspicious, they were
a little suspicious of hisreaction.
Um, he ends up okay, he goes tothe police station, gets
questioned, has a conversation,but then he's released right
there.
There's nothing to hold him.
So he goes and he actually seesfriends that night.
(21:45):
He goes and he actually playsvideo games and makes a comment
that whoever did this should beforgiven.
Did this should be forgiven?
Now her friends will come outand say that Igor had become
very religious around this point.
(22:06):
So they thought maybe that'swhy he made the comment about
forgiveness, which could be, buthere's what we know also.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Or he could have just had a very poor relationship
with his mother.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, and you know, I don't know he will become the
defense's star witness, chris,in favor of Robert.
That we do know.
So whether that relationshipand it's not that I don't think
he loved his mother, I think hedid and but again he's I don't
know His reaction was not whatpolice thought his reaction
(22:43):
should be.
So he was definitely high ontheir radar, especially when
they find out he is the solebeneficiary to her 750 000 life
insurance policy that shecarried on her life.
But they, life, but they, hehas an alibi.
I mean, he's at school.
So you know, once they startlooking into this a little bit,
(23:09):
they try to figure out could hehave left school and done this
and then gone back to school?
So we'll get back to Igor in aminute, but he is definitely hot
number one suspect after theyfind Anna.
So police start to uncover thefact that Anna was single.
She had many admirers in herI'm going to say repertoire,
(23:33):
because she led a very quietprivate life.
But she had multiple men in herlife since her divorce and her
ex-husband, robert Bob Moses,was clearly distraught when he
was told that Anna had beenmurdered.
(23:54):
Okay, so you've got multiplemen in her life.
Police.
Go to Robert the next day, okay, and tell him about Anna.
He is clearly upset.
But now you're going to belooking at second suspect,
second person of interest, whichis possibly the ex husband.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
And they've been divorced for like two years.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yeah, not very long two years.
But the current boyfriend so heis the one that called in the
initial welfare check wasquestioned and he asked should I
lawyer up?
And I think this whole I justwant to kind of preface this
with how many people wereactually questioned?
(24:37):
That knew Anna?
They were all a little quirky.
People were actually questionedthat knew Anna, they were all a
little quirky.
I would say none of themactually gave like police, never
felt like any of them were likesuper solid people who were
actually.
They all just had weirdreactions to some of these
(25:00):
questions.
Okay so, but Bob Moses?
Bob Moses was clearlydistraught, um, but again
ex-husband and going to be ontop of the radar.
So the current boyfriend, whodid that initial welfare check?
He asked if he needs to lawyerup.
Who did that initial welfarecheck?
(25:21):
He asked if he needs to lawyerup.
He starts asking questions andbecause of all these strange
vibes that they're getting fromall these men, eventually it's
really hard for them to zero inon one of these guys.
So it wasn't until her memorial, which was in like within a
week to 10 days of her beingdead.
(25:42):
This is when her ex Robert BobMoses is at her memorial.
Other men are there.
Police are wondering, could thekiller be there?
And they all were kind offinding out about each other at
this memorial.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
That good there was yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
So we're gonna find out that she ended up was
romantically involved with aprofessor.
They ended up breaking it off,but he continued to give her
money, um, to help her, becausehe was a nice guy.
I mean, I've seen an interviewwith him.
That's basically what he sayshe did.
Chris police say he ended upgiving her $46,000.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
It's a pretty nice guy.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, over the time that they knew each other, um,
she had a friend who would comeover to her house and read
poetry with her talk, havereally in-depth conversations.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
He had no idea she had a boyfriend, so she is kind
of keeping some of this privateI'm getting an interesting gist,
though, from all this too, butas we go along, uh, that I mean
clearly she has ties, like Isaid, to a lot of different men,
which is kind of like youalmost wonder, and most of them
(27:02):
all work with her.
Well, yeah, you also wonder too.
I mean, she obviously kept itquiet, but you wonder if her son
was witnessing some of this too.
Because I mean, just kind ofgetting back to his attitude
about the whole thing, I know,Was he getting fed up with it as
well?
I mean, that could be hard for,especially at that age.
And then you know seeing abunch of men coming over and
(27:23):
seeing your mom I don't know,because she's still pretty young
.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Oh yeah, and not only that.
He Chris after the trial, andthen this is all over.
He takes the money and goes,builds a new life.
I don't think there's much wehear about him or from him after
this.
I think that whether he stillcontinues to have a relationship
(27:52):
with Bob Moses I don't know,but I do know that he was the
star witness in his father'sdefense for the murder of his
mother, and so I don't thinkwe'll ever know really what was
going through his head or whathe saw or what he was feeling.
But people felt sorry for himand, and I think you know, he
(28:16):
lost his mom and they and theywere close and you know, but he
did have a good relationshipwith his, with his dad who had
adopted him.
So you know, it's just, it's ahard.
It's hard, you know, and thenyou're put in the middle of it,
then you've got to go to trialand you've lost one parent,
you're about to lose another, soyou want to save him, right,
(28:38):
and I think maybe that's justwhere he was coming from.
But there was over a hundredthousand dollars found in her
bank account and police thoughtyou know she didn't make that
kind of money from her job.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Well, and you have to think too, like how many people
just have that in their bankaccount.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
I know.
So, was anybody else giving hermoney that they weren't aware
of?
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Given that career, Because I mean, I know
professors do.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Well, she wasn't a professor, she was an analyst.
She works in the office.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No, I know, I'm just saying.
But even a professor, to giveher $46,000, that's a pretty
fair amount after taxes, thatthis professor is giving out of
his salary too.
So you know, it's a littleinteresting.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
So investigators spoke with Bob Moses on the day
after Anna's body was discoveredand during that interview,
police noticed a fresh cut onhis right hand.
It was so obvious because itwas literally soaking through
the bandage.
He had an excuse on where thecut had come from, but then,
days after the memorial, theybring Bob Moses back in again
(29:48):
for questioning, because by thistime they have issued a warrant
to enter Anna's office at UTDto try and uncover any evidence
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Okay, chris.
So in a locked desk in heroffice was a handwritten letter
by Anna that was written both inRussian and English.
So once they were able totranslate the letter, which had
been dated two years prior,around the time of the divorce,
she was accusing Bob Moses ofnot only making threats to her
(33:48):
but making threats to hurthimself and accusing Anna of his
demise.
So she was basically writingthat he had threatened to take
his life and was going to writeletters to Igor, to other family
members, to make them thinkthat Anna had just pushed him to
the brink.
He clearly did not want thisdivorce and wanted Anna to stay
(34:13):
in the marriage.
But threatening and coercingare clearly not working in his
favor because she did not stayin the marriage.
But she writes this letter andputs it in a locked desk.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
That is weird, I think this woman knew she was
afraid of him.
Oh yeah, I guess you could thinkof that in some way.
But if that was the case too, Imean to me, what point is
writing a letter and locking,locking a desk and then run the
risk of somebody never findingthat letter, versus just being
communicating with somebody youknow, like, does she not want to
(34:50):
raise a sting and have themtell her just to go?
You just need to go to thepolice this and that.
But I don't know, it's justkind of.
You know, if I'm ever dead, youknow, it's kind of like what I
always say All the true crimeyou watch.
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say all the true crime you watch.
If I'm ever dead, go find youfirst.
So I mean I don't know, but Imean I don't say that, I say it
jokingly, of course, but youknow what I mean.
(35:12):
Like, if you really They'llfind me first.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I assure you, they'll find me first.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
I just feel like that would be something you'd want
to kind of lay on somebody'sears, versus just writing a note
and locking it away and hopingbecause you know what if
somebody never goes through thatdesk.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
So who knows?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think it's almost like a diary or something like
that.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, I think she knows that somebody would have
eventually found it right.
Let's say there wasn't awarrant for her office, but now
she's deceased and they're goingto clean out her desk because
someone else is going to beusing it at some point.
Somebody is eventually going tofind that letter and I think
maybe she didn't want the wronghands getting on it when she,
you know, um my letter will beon the coffee table, just so you
(35:54):
know it was, but it wasprobably more of, like you said,
like a diary, like a letterabout what she was dealing with
and kind of just getting it outon paper.
But they thought it was veryinteresting that she wrote it in
Russian, so most peoplewouldn't be able to tell what it
said Even more difficult tointerpret.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Right, but I think that was purposely done.
I don't think that was accident.
I think she purposely did itthat way.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
That's why it's the whole notion of leaving your
death will, or whatever you know, to look for.
But yeah, it is very, very Justthe premonition of maybe
something happening.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
So after this letter's found they bring Bob
Moses back to the police stationfor further questioning and his
alibi so let me tell you abouthis alibi was that he had went
to Twin Peaks we know that placeto have a beer during the time
of the murder, but policebelieved he actually could have
killed her and then went to TwinPeaks.
So during this conversation BobMoses basically asking them
(37:01):
about her will.
So he is saying you know Annahad a will, you know Igor needs
help.
Basically saying, like you know, I need to find out for the
family's sake if there's moneyto help out.
So they think this is strangeher family right I'm sorry her
(37:28):
family in florida?
no, no, like her, her son okayyeah, and the grandmother was um
, um, there was.
The grandmother was actuallyliving with igor at the house at
the time.
They end up moving back inafter she died.
Bob Moses ends up moving backinto the house after her death.
(37:50):
Igor will get on the stand inthe trial and say that he asked
him to move back into the housejust so he could be there to
help and support.
But what Bob Moses did not know, chris, is that Anna had
updated her will, making her sonthe sole beneficiary of that
(38:11):
$750,000 life insurance policy.
Bob Moses had no idea.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Well, why would he think he'd still be on it?
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Because most people do, because nobody verbally said
and told him that he wasn't.
And some people think peopleare dumb asses.
Maybe he think Anna Moseswasn't going to be thinking
about that and maybe that shewould have just left him on
there, since he was thecaretaker of Igor I mean, even
though Igor is now of age but hewasn't when Anna Moses had this
(38:43):
life insurance policyoriginally.
So Bob Moses would have beenthe beneficiary and then be able
to give Igor money.
But she changed it.
And not only did she change it,but she didn't say a word to
anyone that she had changed it.
So they're pressing him foranswers, asking him if he wanted
her dead.
Did he just want the money?
(39:04):
He denies being involved.
He gets upset.
He wants to leave theinterrogation room.
So they let him leave.
But six weeks after Anna wasfound dead, bob Moses was
arrested on his birthday for themurder of Anna Moses.
So Bob Moses, chris, goes ontrial in Collin County.
(39:26):
Multiple witnesses took thestand, including her son, igor,
who defended his dad, bob Moses,and did not believe he would
have killed his mother.
Like I said earlier, you couldjust tell he had a soft spot in
his heart.
You know um, he, he essentiallyraised him and helped him
(39:46):
through his his scariest time ofof dealing with cancer as a
child.
But he was the star witness forthe defense and I think there
was a lot of hurt coming fromanna's side of the friends, the
family, um that he would havedefended his father.
But again, I come from a placeof you've lost one parent, maybe
(40:10):
Igor and his mom.
There were some issues or maybehe had certain feelings about
his mother and he was willingand again, like Anna's friends
had said, he had started tobecome very religious and maybe
a piece of him felt like theright thing to do was to get on
the stand and defend his dad,because that's basically what he
tried to do.
(40:32):
Okay, another witness had toldthe jury that Anna feared Bob
Moses, so she testified thatAnna had called her one night
and asked if she could come overbecause she thought he might
hurt her Prosecution.
By the way, his defenseattorney was Toby Shook, and
(40:54):
Toby Shook is a fantastic, afantastic defense lawyer, um,
here in the Dallas, fort Wortharea.
And he I mean, if there wasanybody you want to defend you
as Toby Shook, and and he tried,he basically they positioned it
as a robbery um, yeah, becauseI'm, I'm, you know, as we have
(41:16):
been reading about this andeverything too, it's like a lot
of this is just circumstantialevidence right, because there's
no murder weapon ever foundcorrect that's right yeah, that
is, um it's.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
I mean, it's strange that they even went that far
with it.
Didn't thought that they would,you know, ever have a positive
outcome with this, you know so.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Well, the defense just said there's nothing
directly linking Bob Moses toher death right.
Well, that's what I mean.
There's nothing.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
They didn't find it with anything, right, it's just
like okay, I don't mean, it'sjust that they would even have
this go to a grand jury and Ijust wonder.
It's Collin County, a smallertown, you know, and so maybe
they it's.
I just get the feeling thishappened in a different, a
bigger town or something likethat.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Like, just because they Well, this wasn't a grand
jury, this was the jury in theactual trial.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
I mean to even have him, to arrest him and
everything, and then even takehim to court and try him for it.
It's just like I don't know,just not having the gun and not
knowing having that sort ofcircumstantial evidence.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Well, the alibi was that he was home all day but
that he had gone to Twin Peaksand had a beer, basically during
the murder, right?
So he couldn't have actuallydone it, because he is seen on
film, right?
He's seen on video at TwinPeaks.
So, but his roommates.
They couldn't vouch for him.
I mean, they didn't rememberseeing him at the house that day
(42:42):
.
There just wasn't any kind ofsolid alibi to say where.
You know where he actually was.
And what the prosecution didwas that they called every man
that was in her life at the timeonto the stand and ask them the
question you know what was yourrelationship relationship with,
(43:05):
like with her?
You know how did you feel abouther?
You know, did you want her dead?
Did you kill her?
And by eliminating them, herpurpose was by eliminating them,
by putting them on the stand,asking these questions about her
.
The only person left was BobMoses, and that's really the way
(43:26):
the prosecution went about it.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
They felt like they had a strong case.
I just was kind of pointing outthat seems to me like in this
sort of thing you'd want to havea little more evidence is all I
would say.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Well, sometimes circumstantial evidence is
enough.
And now that they find thisletter right.
So that's another thing.
And then they have the cut onhis hand.
So there are multiple things Ithink that would have.
And and, by the way, his bloodis actually found in her vehicle
.
So he says the blood is from acut because he used to do house
(44:00):
work.
Even after their divorce hewould go over there and do work
at the house and then sometimesbe in her vehicle.
In fact Igor testifies to thisat the trial, that he that blood
stain was probably there for ayear, you know, or six months or
something.
But they didn't believe thatthey.
They said it was fresh blood,it was mixed in with her blood,
(44:22):
Right.
So that, I think, was thebiggest piece of evidence, was
that, you know, they end upfinding the vehicle and then
they end up finding his blood inthe vehicle.
So there were just, there wasjust too much in the shell
casings.
Ok, so the shell casings theyend up saying that they were
(44:43):
actually just thrown around onthe ground to throw off the
investigation, but that Bob hadplanned this and waited for Anna
to come home.
And the motive Money.
The motive was that he thoughthe was still on the life
insurance.
The motive was the fact thatthis guy was 20 years older than
(45:05):
this beautiful, young, vibrantwoman who was living her best
life and she was done with himand he didn't like that.
He couldn't move on.
He was not financially okay.
He was living with roommates.
I think he was just jealous.
(45:25):
I think he was jealous.
I think he probably stalked her.
I think he probably knew moreabout her life than she probably
knew.
That he knew.
I think that a piece of herprobably felt that she had
gotten rid of him but that Igorand him still had a relationship
that were creepy, and I thinkshe kind of felt that she made
(45:56):
multiple calls to friends aboutthinking that somebody was
following her somebody waswatching her.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Maybe she had all that money, which is really
fishy.
Speaker 1 (46:02):
I mean, that's like super fishy yeah they couldn't
explain where all that moneycame from.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Because also too, I mean just for you to accept all
that money, I mean that's a youknow you're kind of in violation
of some probably a tax code ortwo and not reporting it.
And you know there's like Imean, so who knows, and maybe he
knew about that um and foundout about it, or you know, I
mean that that's to me is theweirdest part of this whole
(46:29):
thing.
I don't know.
I mean certainly it's a tragedyand everything too, but it's
just like to have that muchamount of money, not have a
career.
That I mean we know some'saccounted for from one person,
but even for one person tonumber one, have access to that
much cash and then fork thatmuch cash over and to still have
(46:51):
cause.
He's giving her money to helpher out, but to still have
$100,000 in your account it's alot of money.
It's more than a lot of moneyjust to have sitting.
If you open up your accounttomorrow and you saw a hundred
grand, you might freak out Ashit ton of money just to have
(47:13):
to go.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
I'd go get a massage.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Go dork around with.
So I just think that's peculiar, but we can certainly press on.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
So I want to talk about the quesadilla.
So we know she, Chris.
She went to Taco Bell.
They have video of her.
So the debt, the time of death,is around 5, 55 PM.
Okay, and the way that they'vekind of come up with this
calculation is based on her carbeing seen by TV CC footage
(47:43):
right Video surveillance fromthe Taco Bell on her way home
where her car is seen.
Okay, so they had a good timeof when she would have arrived
home, Okay.
Now, if she's killed a fewhours later than the 5.55, the
defense said Bob Moses issitting at that bar at seven so
(48:07):
he could not have killed her,which is correct.
He was there at 7 o'clock butthere was no quesadilla found in
her stomach.
But the quesadilla wrapper wasfound with no quesadilla.
So police never confiscated thewrapper and tested the wrapper
(48:35):
for fingerprints, for any kindof DNA that would have been
transferred.
So whoever did this?
Ate the food?
Assumably ate the food.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
That's hardcore.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
So this is this was the piecethat that the defense said.
Listen, this is this is wherethings come into question.
And if we are questioning thefact that you know, if she ate
(49:14):
the quesadilla, then she wasn'tkilled at 5.55 pm, because she
would have had to been killedhours later and Abad Moses was
sitting at that bar.
So they think that somebody,whoever had done this, was the
one who possibly had eaten thatquesadilla, and so the men's
(49:37):
alibi.
So Toby Shook's, the defenseattorney's, point was those men
and their alibis that you havejust set up on this stand,
they're all out the windowbecause the timelines don't add
up.
They had the wrapper.
They never tested it forevidence.
So, chris, this was theirbiggest point was this
quesadilla which, unfortunately,we just don't really know
(50:02):
anything about.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
What's good advertising for Taco Bell too.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
It was good advertising for Taco Bell, but
yeah.
So lots of questions aboutwhether she even ate the
quesadilla, whether she wasbringing.
I personally think she did noteat that.
I think she brought it home.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
I think she was going into her house because the cc
camera picks her up right beforetaco bell, they would be able
to in the autopsy to see thedigestion correct well, yes,
that's what, that's what I'msaying.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
So the timeline, the defense is saying if she ate
that quesadilla, yep, then shewasn't killed at 5.55.
And if she wasn't killed at 5.55and she was killed hours later,
well, Bob Moses is innocent, hecouldn't have done this and
that's what the defense led with.
But it wasn't enough.
Igor took takes the stand.
(50:51):
He basically says that he lovedhis dad, that his father would
have never done this and whenBob Moses was asking the police
about the will, Igor took thiswhen he took the stand.
He says that he was asking forhimself, that he was asking for
Igor.
He wasn't asking it because hewanted the money, he wanted his
(51:14):
son to have some of the money,and that he had asked him to
move back into the house afterhis mother passed away.
Because the whole thing was BobMoses moves back in, moves back
in, takes over the house whenAnna's dead and Igor says well,
(51:34):
no, not really, I actually askedhim to come and live there,
Chris, the jury didn't buy it.
A Collin County jury foundRobert Moses guilty of the
murder of Anna Moses.
He was 63 years old at the timeand he was found guilty of
murder and sentenced to life inprison.
He maintains his innocence andbelieves Anna was robbed, since
(51:57):
the debit card Chris she used topurchase that Taco Bell
quesadilla on the way home thatevening was never found.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, bye.
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