February 23, 2025 • 33 mins
What if the person you trust the most could slip away in the dead of night, leaving nothing but a trail of blood and unanswered questions? Join us as we unravel the chilling murder case of Manuela Allen, a beloved teacher and mother from Olney, Texas. Her disappearance in the early hours of a July morning left her family in turmoil, unaware of the horror that had unfolded while they slept. This episode delves into the eerie discovery of bloodstains throughout her home and the chilling realization that Manuela had been brutally attacked.
In our investigation, we spotlight the curious clue of bicycle tracks near Lake Cooper, a vital lead in identifying the suspect connected to Manuela's murder. As we piece together the events of that fateful night, the audacity of the attack suggests a personal vendetta, one that her family and community were left to grapple with. We explore how Manuela's family, absorbed in their own world of headphones and deep slumber, knew nothing of the terror that unfolded mere feet away. The episode peels back layers of intrigue, from defensive wounds to eyewitness accounts, revealing the suspect's possible familiarity with Manuela and her home.
Finally, we explore the unsettling motive behind this heinous crime, focusing on Julius Mullins, whose life intertwined with Manuela's through past relationships. As we dissect his motives and the irrational thought processes that led to his guilty plea, we aim to understand the psychological complexities driving such unthinkable acts. Mullins' sentencing to 55 years serves as a grim reminder of the destructive power of unresolved emotions. Through our narrative, we not only investigate the crime itself but also reflect on its devastating impact on a close-knit community, seeking to comprehend the depths of human behavior amidst unimaginable tragedy.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Welcome all of you wine and true crime lovers.
I'm Brandi.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And I'm Chris.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And this is Texas Wine and True Crime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
out of Olney, texas the Murderof Manuela Allen.
We are excited to announce ourwinery for the month of March.
Coming up will be Robert ClayVineyards.
Chris, because of ourscheduling this month, we
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(00:47):
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Also, march 6th, we go back toHenry's Majestic, so I will be
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(01:29):
So lots of things coming up.
We will keep everyone posted,so make sure to be following our
socials to keep up with that.
Chris, you want to add anythingbefore we hop into this case?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
No, just looking forward to traveling down to
Mason as well too.
That's going to be a fun littletrip too.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, yes I agree.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I mean, we always like doing live shows and that's
a fun little place to do that.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, and that delicious wine.
Yeah, and looking forward tokind of seeing.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I'm looking forward to that.
I'm looking forward to drinkingsome of that wine.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
And not only that, also, just seeing everyone in
the town, I think this is a bigevent.
People are going to be comingout and so, yeah, we're going to
be there to enjoy it.
So looking forward to that, allright, so let's go ahead and
hop into this case.
Chris, we are going back to2019, and this is the
unfortunate murder of ManuelaAllen out of Olney, texas.
(02:20):
So about 3,000 people living inOlney, texas.
This is a mom of four.
She's a beloved teacher, friend, wife.
She was senselessly murdered inher home in the middle of the
night.
Now, the hard part of thisstory is that while all of this
is happening, her husband andtwo teenage children are fast
(02:44):
asleep and heard nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And that's such a small small town too, for
something like this to occur.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, and honestly, like the heartbreak and I can
only imagine, like knowing whathas happened under that roof and
knowing that there were peoplethere and of course they're
going to be suspects and we'regoing to get into all of this,
but once we kind of talk aboutwhat happened in that house, it
is kind of mind-boggling thatnobody heard or saw anything,
(03:16):
unfortunately, until the nextmorning.
So this is July 2019.
That morning, a morning in July, manuela's daughter wakes up.
So she's the mom of four.
They're all teenagers or goinginto their 20s.
All right, so the two kids thatwere at the house, the two
teenage children, were in highschool.
(03:37):
Her daughter basically goesinto the living room where the
father is sleeping and she'sbasically asking where her mom
is and her dad says well, youknow, she's in the bedroom.
And so she goes and she says,well, dad, the bedroom door is
locked.
So he knew something was notright, chris, because she never
(04:00):
locked the bedroom door.
So he tells his daughter youknow, go to the room through the
garage.
So there is basically a way toget into that room.
If you knew the garage code andyou can get into the garage,
you can get into this room.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean, was he asleep on the couch?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
He was.
Yeah, he was asleep on thecouch.
He was kind of he was a veryheavy sleeper.
People will come forward andsay that he was asleep on the
couch.
He was kind of, he was a veryheavy sleeper.
People will come forward andsay that he was in love with
this woman and you know, again,I can just only imagine how he's
feeling, knowing he's right onthe outside of that door in the
(04:42):
living room asleep.
But he was asleep, he wasasleep on the couch and it was
very common actually for him tosleep on the couch.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So it wasn't like yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
All right.
So he knew something was notright.
Again, he tells the daughtertry to get in this way.
So she comes back and tells herdad, like there's blood
everywhere in the garage area.
And he's like what are youtalking about?
There's blood.
So they go in.
They end up seeing bloodyfootprints in the kitchen, blood
up and down the hallway.
(05:14):
They finally get into the bed.
He gets into the bedroom right,he's getting into the bedroom.
There's blood, there's bloodeverywhere.
There's blood everywhere.
And you know he's the.
I mean, I can only imagine what.
What they're thinking andfeeling with this is like
where's she at and what happenedto her Cause?
(05:36):
Remember, she's not there.
Her, she is not there.
So they see blood.
Their mom is missing, His wifeis missing.
So he will recall later on whenhe's talking to police that he
actually heard a car leaving andhe knew it was their car and so
he thought maybe she injuredherself.
(05:56):
But I mean, once you look atthe crime photos, you can see
that there was a lot of blood.
But he thought maybe she droveherself to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And just didn't want to bother anybody.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, because he says you know he's like I
didn't control my wife If mywife wanted to get up at five in
the morning and go get coffee.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I didn't say anything about that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, I guess just go to the hospital, Didn't want to
.
You know, I think he's justtrying to put something together
because right now nothing'smaking sense, right.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So he remembers the car leaving she was bleeding and
then had to drive herself to,you know.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Right.
And so he calls well, like theonly hospital in town, I'm sure,
to see if his wife was thereand when they told her that,
when they told him she was not,that's when he decides to call
his, call the police, report hiswife missing and tell them that
there's blood all over thebedroom, but she's not there.
(06:52):
So I'm sure police, you know,were thinking what?
What do you mean?
There's blood everywhere.
What do you mean?
She's missing.
I mean, this is a town of 3000people.
They knew exactly who thisfamily was, and so police
immediately come to the house.
So they're looking at the scene, right, so they're looking at
(07:19):
the scene and they're trying tofigure out.
You know what's going on.
Well, at the same time, there'sthere's a couple of officers on
site.
Right, this is a.
Actually, this is going in to aSunday, so it is a Sunday.
So I think there was like onepolice officer actually like on
duty that morning and of coursethey had to.
They eventually had to callothers in, but they were really
(07:42):
trying to figure out.
You know, where could she be?
The car is missing, what doesyou know?
What does this look like andwhere could she possibly be?
Well, you know how we alwayssay like in smaller towns people
go and hang out certain areas,people flock to certain areas.
Well, chris, in Olney peoplewent to Lake Cooper.
(08:04):
That's just where they went.
So the officer asked anotherofficer to please go to Lake
Cooper to see maybe if they canfind this vehicle.
So they're looking for theirwhite SUV.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I mean, like you say, everybody went there like
teenagers, older people.
It just was the hangout.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yep, it was just the hangout.
And it's not long till hedrives up into Lake Cooper and
he sees that white SUV.
I mean, he can't believe it.
He immediately pulls up, hesees it.
He actually starts approachingthe car.
There's no one there, no oneinside, no one around the
(08:45):
vehicle that he can see.
They do confirm it is theAllen's missing car.
It matches the exactdescription.
And then one thing he doesnotice is that there's blood
smears, excuse me, on the insideand the outside of the vehicle.
So he's taking pictures, notinga few of these things.
(09:06):
So the officer sees what lookslike just like clothes, like a
pile of clothing, a pile ofblankets, something.
And like in the back, yeah, likeno, no, like more often the
distance in the trees, so likeaway from the vehicle.
But as he gets closer, you knowhe realizes that this is most
(09:27):
likely the missing woman,manuela Allen, that is
underneath these blankets Rightand this debris that's covering
her, but back at the house.
Ok, so now we have, we have abody found at Lake Cooper, back
at the house.
They are going through the homeand looking at all this.
(09:48):
So, chris, it's covered inblood the walls, the carpet in
the bedroom, in the kitchen, inthe hallway.
You can tell Manuela had triedto escape her attacker.
Because of the blood and thelocation.
Because of the blood and thelocation it looked like maybe
she had exited the bedroom, gotinto the hallway and then was
(10:13):
somehow attacked in the hallwayand then pulled back into the
bedroom.
They find tire tracks in theyard, which means that the car
was actually pulled around tothat side of the house, the keys
must have been left in it orsomething.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I mean, that is kind of weird how you obtain the keys
, but maybe you never know.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
The perpetrator we're going to eventually talk about
actually knew where the keyswere.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
That's how he was really able to kind of move
through this house with such I'mgoing to use the word boldness.
I mean it's kind ofunbelievable that um, the, the
brazenness of going into a homewith people sleeping.
(10:59):
I mean this is like two 30 inthe morning that this attack
happened and yeah, especiallythat's not something typically
done by people that don't knowthe.
I mean this is like 2.30 in themorning that this attack
happened.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, especially that's not something typically
done by people that don't knowthe habits.
I mean you run the risk ofsomebody waking up.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's right.
But this person felt veryconfident in the way that they
knew the house, how they weregoing to go in and out.
I'm not sure if this personactually thought Manuela Allen
was going to put up such a fight, but she did.
She had we'll talk about herautopsy but she had multiple
defensive wounds in her hands.
But so they're looking at thiscrime scene and they're
(11:39):
realizing you know, this is avery personal attack and police
now believe whoever did this toManuela Allen knew her and
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So now that they have looked atthe crime scene at the home,
they are now looking at the LakeCooper crime scene.
(13:27):
So now we've got two crimescenes.
We've got where the crime takesplace and now we have where the
actual body and the car and thevehicle are found.
So one thing the officernotices is that there are
bicycle tracks.
So not just your average, justregular, I would say the skinny
looking wheels of a bicycle.
These are more like the tread,I would say like mountain bike
(13:52):
treading.
Yeah, that's what it lookedlike to me.
So a little thicker, right.
So they know they're going toput out an all points bulletin
looking for this bicycle.
And I thought that was kind ofinteresting, like all points for
a bicycle.
But what thought that was kindof interesting, like all points
for a bicycle.
But what this actually did wasit kind of got some people
thinking about who they mighthave seen on a bike, right, and
then you know where would thepath of what path would they
(14:16):
have taken to leave the park andthen get back into town,
wherever they live.
So they put an all pointsbulletin for a bicycle and so
now they're, they're sort of onthe hunt for this tread and so
two people actually come forwardand say the one was an oil
field worker and the other one,I believe, is a woman just
(14:37):
driving and seeing someone on abicycle.
But basically they both saidthat that person was traveling
back in towards town and awayfrom Lake Cooper and because of
that path and where this personwas seen on a bike, they
actually ended up pullingcameras from this area and they
did see someone, a young man, ona bike.
(15:01):
So they think you know, this isthis, is it, this is this is
the person.
Now I said that the family washome when the attack took place.
So you, how do three grownpeople not hear a thing?
Well, we know now that the boththe teenagers had headphones on,
one, I think, was playing avideo game up until very late in
(15:23):
his ears, and the other one waslistening to music, and that
the dad was on the couch, a verydeep sleeper and was asleep.
So we know that police askedthem.
You know what were you doingfrom this time to this time?
And this is basically thescenario they came up with Chris
, both kids had their headphonesin and the dad just heard
(15:46):
nothing.
Wow, I know, I know.
So they break the news to theAllen family that they have
found a body.
I mean, this is a small town,news travels fast.
It is confirmed to be that ofManuela Allen.
So the autopsy she had 47 stabwounds, majority of them were to
(16:10):
the skull.
She had cuts all over her hands, all over her head.
You could tell that she had puther hands up near her head,
near her skull, to stop theblows from continuing.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The defensive wounds there.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yep, she had suffered strangulation, post-mortem
gunshot to the face, but theysaid she put up a fight and you
know she got out of that room.
In fact we will talk about theperpetrator and you know it's
interesting because he says thatshe got up like he attacked her
(16:49):
when she was sleeping.
It's 2 30 in the morning andshe actually got up, um, and
that's when she got into thehallway and that's when he
brought her back in and that'swhen he says he actually locked
the door.
So they, they were asking um,these questions once they find
him.
But at this point they don'tknow this right, they know the
(17:13):
husband's home, they know kidsare sleeping, they know this is
a very personal attack and sothe first person they're going
to look at is the husband.
Okay, I mean cause, I mean evenlike me going through this case
and like looking at at some ofthis information, it is kind of
(17:34):
I mean you have not only is hejust going to be a suspect in
general, because he's thehusband, but knowing he's there
and the brutality of this that'skind of what I think too and
just the racket that a lot ofthis would have made, Because
most of it occurred the gunshotoccurred in the house or at the
(17:54):
scene.
I think at the scene it waspost-mortem.
It's a post-mortem, so I meanother than that.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But even so, somebody kicking and screaming and
fighting.
You know, I mean you would justthink, gosh, how I could see
headphones, especially, you know, if they're ones that close
over your ear.
If you're listening music, thatdoes kind of isolate you.
But for somebody just to besleeping on the couch, I mean
even if the tv's on, I don'tknow, I know kind of wild yeah,
so they, they bring him in, Imean, they bring peter allen
(18:21):
into the station and startquestioning him.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Now remember, she had four kids.
Two of the older children weregone.
One of them, I think, wasvisiting a friend somewhere and
the other one was out for thenight, but the other two kids
were there and this againhappens at 2.30 in the morning.
Now he will say he heard twothings, chris.
He heard a noise at some pointlike a thump, didn't really
(18:44):
think much of it, and then heheard the car starting.
So those were the two things.
And then, when he heard the carstart, by the time he got up he
did look out that window and bythe time he did, the car was
gone.
And that's when he realized,you know, maybe she went
somewhere, but he went rightback to sleep.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, that's what's so wild, right, like he goes
back to sleep, but by this timeshe's in that vehicle being
driven late, you know, to thelake yeah and um yeah, I mean,
that's too just like whatever,would you say he doesn't, um how
not hound his wife but I meanlike she's her own lady or I
(19:23):
don't know.
I mean that's just still a.
This isn't leaving at 630 inthe afternoon and just kind of
not.
I mean, I don't know.
Typically courtesy people saywhen they're leaving.
It has nothing to do withcontrol, but that seems
especially when something out ofthe norm and that unusual,
leaving that late and not eveninvestigate it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, I can only imagine what he has to live with
on that.
Unless too, though, Right onhis conscience, these are kids
in high school, right?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I mean if they think that maybe a friend or something
like that was over late andleft.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, they just had headphones in Like they were
sleeping right.
Maybe him thinking like hearinga car, hearing some commotion.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Thinking it was the kids.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well no, he knew his car was gone.
He saw that the vehicle wasgone.
He knew that the vehicle heheard what he said was his car
and when he got up and looked,yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But when you think about that, though, like, unless
you have some sort of specialexhaust, a car sounds like a
freaking car.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's true, yeah, I don't know, or some loud muffler
or something like that.
So who knows?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, he had no scratches on him, no cuts.
He basically told police in hisinterrogation video that if I
was going to get in a fight withmy wife, an attacker, I would
have some bruising, like she'sgonna, she's gonna put up a
fight.
And he had on him.
So police end up pulling thatcctv video.
(20:48):
They talked to the witnesses.
Um, that saw that bicycle andbecause he had no scratches on
him, you know, again, it's kindof hard to wrap your head around
the fact he is on the couch butthere was nothing really to
hold him and he seemed, seemedgenuinely upset.
You know that his wife had beenkilled.
Now there is one young man thatpolice do suspect is
(21:10):
responsible for severalrobberies around some of those
homes.
He did have a bicycle.
So they actually send theofficer right.
This is a small town.
There's only a few policeofficers.
So the same officer that wentto Lake Cooper and found all of
this stuff, including thosebicycle tracks, he is the one
(21:32):
who is sent to talk to thisyoung man at an apartment
complex.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
He sees a bike basically propped up on a wall
outside of one of the doors,excuse me.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
So once he gets into that apartment with that young
man, he basically asks him whodoes this bike belong to?
And that guy gives the name ofJulius Mullins.
Julius Mullins is a 19-year-old.
(22:17):
I think he was either 18, aboutto turn 19, or was 19.
He was a good kid from allaccounts, a football player.
Funny People liked him.
His friends on the footballteam said that he was liked by
everybody.
Now, the only thing about Juliusthat really they could talk
about in a maybe not so positivelight was that he had an
unstable home life.
It was said that some of theyou know, because he was a
(22:41):
football player and this is asmall town and people take care
of people, you know, sometimesthey would actually allow him to
sleep and shower in the highschool, like in the locker room
basically.
But you know he it's I don'twant to say like he had a
terrible home life and that'swhy he did this.
(23:02):
We don't actually know why hedid this.
What I do know is that JuliusMullins had dated the Allen's
oldest daughter and sheeventually breaks up with him,
which is the catalyst of thisattack.
But what drove him to thatnobody really knows.
So if this had something, to dowith his past?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Would the mother have to do with it, or did she have
some sort of bad blood with himor something for dating his
daughter?
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well, you know, here's Mr Allen had said in
multiple interviews that henoticed bruises on his
daughter's arms one day and heasked her about him and she
basically said you know, he waslike playing and hitting me in
the arm.
But the dad did not like thatand he felt like a little tap on
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the arm isn't going to do whathe saw.
So he went up to Julius Mullinsand said you know, don't ever
put your hands on my daughteragain.
And he never did.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well, you know, but why?
Why go for the mother?
I mean he was dating thedaughter, Well, she was a.
But why go after the mother?
I mean, he was dating thedaughter, Well she was a teacher
at the high school.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I think that you just have parents who don't.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
How violent the crime was.
That's what exactly was it thathe was taking out on the mother
.
You know, something else maybeoccurred that.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, I think that the parents probably did not
like him too much.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Based on what they saw in her, they didn't approve
of the relationship between himand their daughter.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I mean probably not.
I think that, you know, maybehis unstable home life kind of
left them thinking that shecould do better.
I think that he, um, you know,first of all, when the daughter
breaks up with him, he starts tobecome very isolated, he starts
(24:56):
acting different.
I mean he's this definitely istriggered.
This breakup definitelytriggers him to just all of a
sudden be to himself, dad,isolated himself from other
activities with friends.
So he took it hard and, yeah, Ithink she probably did not
(25:27):
approve and I think that shewanted to support her daughter.
But Chris, who knows, I mean hecould have been under the
assumption right, theassumptions of the parents being
the catalyst for the breakup.
Right, this is a kid and so whoknows what he's telling himself.
But whatever he was tellinghimself was bad enough to where
(25:49):
he felt the need to walk intosomeone's home at 2.30 in the
morning and stab her 47 timesknowing there are people at the
house.
I mean the brazenness.
I mean I still can't get overthat.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I know.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Like it's wild and okay.
So a tip comes into police andthis tip comes from a family
that took Julius Mullins to thelake the day.
That investigator basically thenext day after this happens,
(26:26):
police are already at the lakelooking around.
Well, other people in thisfamily are like I wonder what's
going on.
Well, this tip comes in fromthe man who says that he brought
Julius with his family to swimthat day, and he says that
Julius Mullins responds with oh,they found Manuela Allen's body
(26:48):
.
But this was way before thiswas ever announced.
But this was way before thiswas ever announced.
So he basically tells the familywhat they're doing, and then,
once they see that that'sactually the case, they make a
call into police and give themthis information.
(27:10):
This is what really?
puts Julius Mullins on the topof the list.
First you've got the bike andnow you've got these tips that
come in the day before thishappens, excuse me, the next day
, like the lake day.
(27:30):
He actually or, I'm sorry,maybe not that very next day,
but maybe the day after, when,when it's announced to the
public, right when they announcethat they have found Manuela
Allen, he texts his ex, who wastheir daughter, and he says to
her you know, I'm sorry aboutwhat happened, I hope you're
(27:52):
okay.
And she asked him was this you,like?
You knew the code of the garage, you knew where the keys were
going to be found, you knew howto get in, you knew how to pull
the vehicle.
I mean, you knew all thesethings.
Was this you?
And they actually end upgetting that information from
(28:13):
her phone.
Now, of course, he denied it,said it was not him, but she
thought that this could possiblybe him.
They end up finding a bunch ofDNA, chris, and it all points to
Julius Mullen.
So again, it all points toJulius Mullins.
So again, you have an amateurdoing this.
(28:34):
Dna is everywhere.
Once they, once they confirmedthat the DNA is found, they
arrest Julius Mullins andquestion him and he starts to
give the details about thisattack.
He basically says he ambushedher, started stabbing her while
she was asleep whenever he wastoo tired, I guess and ended up
(29:00):
getting off of her, thinkingthat maybe she was dead.
She gets up and tries to runfor her life.
He drags her back in, locks thedoor, finishes the job, wraps
her up in blankets and whateverhe can find.
And here's another thing toothe father had always said my
(29:22):
wife was like 200 pounds.
I don't think this kid, at 160,would have been able to pull
her body out of this house andget it into the car.
And then, not only that, theyget it out of the car and drag
it to where she's eventuallyfound.
So you're removing her, puttingher in, taking her back out and
then dragging her somewhereelse.
But you know people fail toremember that this kid, like
lifted weights, he playedfootball.
(29:44):
People said he hit hard.
And you have a lot ofadrenaline going in rush when
you're doing this.
I mean, imagine, imagine thekind of like energy this guy had
to have to, even in theadrenaline that was pumping
through his body, just to enterthat home.
You know, and I mean it's kindof a valid point.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Um, I don't know Absolutely.
I mean dead weight.
Um, when somebody is dead, theyare certainly clearly dead
weight yes, but it's just it's adifferent, different, uh,
that's a whole nother uh senseof heaviness, Cause I mean even
people that weigh 200 pounds andand can maybe help you scoot.
I mean, I think about, um, youknow, moving those people around
(30:28):
in hospital on a stretcher.
I mean, good Lord, it's, it's alot, but, like you said, he was
uh, he was athletic and he didwork out.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Perhaps yeah, Adrenaline.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Because I guess that would be the suggestion that
somebody helped him.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, the father did think there were two people
involved in this, but policereally didn't find anybody
else's DNA and nobody cameforward and Julius Mullins
wasn't giving anyone else up andit's a 19-year-old kid.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The likelihood of him keeping quiet this long if
somebody else was involved ispretty low.
Like he could, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
And again you have to remember like this kid was kind
of turning into a loner at thispoint, right, so he's keeping
all of this bottled inside.
People knew he was kind ofupset about the relationship and
he clearly was taking it hard,but not to the point where they
thought he would do anythinglike this.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
To me even motive still seems very soft, like what
is the.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
What beef?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
did he have with the mother, Even if they was
disapproving.
There just seems like therewould have to be something.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
No, not necessarily.
He could literally be tellinghimself that they were the
catalyst to end thisrelationship right Like it's
whatever he's telling his ownself is what I think.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I guess yeah, but I mean it's, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean, she could have even said something like
you know.
I mean off comments of like,yeah, my parents aren't happy
about this, right, or I'm nothappy about this, or my talk to
my mom.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I mean, I know, but I feel like that would be that
would be um more to more aboutthis story, like the daughter
would be indicating that, likethe parents weren't happy with
it and the relationship, andblah, blah, blah.
And so you know, I mean whoknows?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I mean maybe it was, but also too, he could have just
kind of flipped and, you know,decided to lash out somebody,
and she was the likely one Wellhe never actually says why he
did this.
Yeah, first he tells police likehe was at a party and on drugs,
and they find out like that wasa lie.
And they find out like that wasa lie and then I mean his story
changed multiple times.
But they, I mean the reason isbecause the relationship ended
(32:45):
and whether he was just upsetand wanted revenge, right, like
if I kill the mom then thatmakes her sad forever, right.
Like we don't know.
I mean, people think some wild,wild things so he never
actually comes out and says whyhe actually did this.
But, chris, he pleaded guiltyto murder.
(33:06):
He was sentenced to 55 yearsfor murder, 20 years for
burglary and 20 for abuse of acorpse.
Thank you,
Welcome all of you wine and true crime lovers.
I'm Brandi.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
And I'm Chris.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And this is Texas Wine and True Crime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
out of Olney, texas the Murderof Manuela Allen.
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Chris, you want to add anythingbefore we hop into this case?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
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Mason as well too.
That's going to be a fun littletrip too.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yes, yes I agree.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I mean, we always like doing live shows and that's
a fun little place to do that.
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Yeah, and that delicious wine.
Yeah, and looking forward tokind of seeing.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
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I'm looking forward to drinkingsome of that wine.
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And not only that, also, just seeing everyone in
the town, I think this is a bigevent.
People are going to be comingout and so, yeah, we're going to
be there to enjoy it.
So looking forward to that, allright, so let's go ahead and
hop into this case.
Chris, we are going back to2019, and this is the
unfortunate murder of ManuelaAllen out of Olney, texas.
(02:20):
So about 3,000 people living inOlney, texas.
This is a mom of four.
She's a beloved teacher, friend, wife.
She was senselessly murdered inher home in the middle of the
night.
Now, the hard part of thisstory is that while all of this
is happening, her husband andtwo teenage children are fast
(02:44):
asleep and heard nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
And that's such a small small town too, for
something like this to occur.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, and honestly, like the heartbreak and I can
only imagine, like knowing whathas happened under that roof and
knowing that there were peoplethere and of course they're
going to be suspects and we'regoing to get into all of this,
but once we kind of talk aboutwhat happened in that house, it
is kind of mind-boggling thatnobody heard or saw anything,
(03:16):
unfortunately, until the nextmorning.
So this is July 2019.
That morning, a morning in July, manuela's daughter wakes up.
So she's the mom of four.
They're all teenagers or goinginto their 20s.
All right, so the two kids thatwere at the house, the two
teenage children, were in highschool.
(03:37):
Her daughter basically goesinto the living room where the
father is sleeping and she'sbasically asking where her mom
is and her dad says well, youknow, she's in the bedroom.
And so she goes and she says,well, dad, the bedroom door is
locked.
So he knew something was notright, chris, because she never
(04:00):
locked the bedroom door.
So he tells his daughter youknow, go to the room through the
garage.
So there is basically a way toget into that room.
If you knew the garage code andyou can get into the garage,
you can get into this room.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I mean, was he asleep on the couch?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
He was.
Yeah, he was asleep on thecouch.
He was kind of he was a veryheavy sleeper.
People will come forward andsay that he was asleep on the
couch.
He was kind of, he was a veryheavy sleeper.
People will come forward andsay that he was in love with
this woman and you know, again,I can just only imagine how he's
feeling, knowing he's right onthe outside of that door in the
(04:42):
living room asleep.
But he was asleep, he wasasleep on the couch and it was
very common actually for him tosleep on the couch.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So it wasn't like yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
All right.
So he knew something was notright.
Again, he tells the daughtertry to get in this way.
So she comes back and tells herdad, like there's blood
everywhere in the garage area.
And he's like what are youtalking about?
There's blood.
So they go in.
They end up seeing bloodyfootprints in the kitchen, blood
up and down the hallway.
(05:14):
They finally get into the bed.
He gets into the bedroom right,he's getting into the bedroom.
There's blood, there's bloodeverywhere.
There's blood everywhere.
And you know he's the.
I mean, I can only imagine what.
What they're thinking andfeeling with this is like
where's she at and what happenedto her Cause?
(05:36):
Remember, she's not there.
Her, she is not there.
So they see blood.
Their mom is missing, His wifeis missing.
So he will recall later on whenhe's talking to police that he
actually heard a car leaving andhe knew it was their car and so
he thought maybe she injuredherself.
(05:56):
But I mean, once you look atthe crime photos, you can see
that there was a lot of blood.
But he thought maybe she droveherself to the hospital.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
And just didn't want to bother anybody.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, because he says you know he's like I
didn't control my wife If mywife wanted to get up at five in
the morning and go get coffee.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I didn't say anything about that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, I guess just go to the hospital, Didn't want to
.
You know, I think he's justtrying to put something together
because right now nothing'smaking sense, right.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
So he remembers the car leaving she was bleeding and
then had to drive herself to,you know.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Right.
And so he calls well, like theonly hospital in town, I'm sure,
to see if his wife was thereand when they told her that,
when they told him she was not,that's when he decides to call
his, call the police, report hiswife missing and tell them that
there's blood all over thebedroom, but she's not there.
(06:52):
So I'm sure police, you know,were thinking what?
What do you mean?
There's blood everywhere.
What do you mean?
She's missing.
I mean, this is a town of 3000people.
They knew exactly who thisfamily was, and so police
immediately come to the house.
So they're looking at the scene, right, so they're looking at
(07:19):
the scene and they're trying tofigure out.
You know what's going on.
Well, at the same time, there'sthere's a couple of officers on
site.
Right, this is a.
Actually, this is going in to aSunday, so it is a Sunday.
So I think there was like onepolice officer actually like on
duty that morning and of coursethey had to.
They eventually had to callothers in, but they were really
(07:42):
trying to figure out.
You know, where could she be?
The car is missing, what doesyou know?
What does this look like andwhere could she possibly be?
Well, you know how we alwayssay like in smaller towns people
go and hang out certain areas,people flock to certain areas.
Well, chris, in Olney peoplewent to Lake Cooper.
(08:04):
That's just where they went.
So the officer asked anotherofficer to please go to Lake
Cooper to see maybe if they canfind this vehicle.
So they're looking for theirwhite SUV.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I mean, like you say, everybody went there like
teenagers, older people.
It just was the hangout.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yep, it was just the hangout.
And it's not long till hedrives up into Lake Cooper and
he sees that white SUV.
I mean, he can't believe it.
He immediately pulls up, hesees it.
He actually starts approachingthe car.
There's no one there, no oneinside, no one around the
(08:45):
vehicle that he can see.
They do confirm it is theAllen's missing car.
It matches the exactdescription.
And then one thing he doesnotice is that there's blood
smears, excuse me, on the insideand the outside of the vehicle.
So he's taking pictures, notinga few of these things.
(09:06):
So the officer sees what lookslike just like clothes, like a
pile of clothing, a pile ofblankets, something.
And like in the back, yeah, likeno, no, like more often the
distance in the trees, so likeaway from the vehicle.
But as he gets closer, you knowhe realizes that this is most
(09:27):
likely the missing woman,manuela Allen, that is
underneath these blankets Rightand this debris that's covering
her, but back at the house.
Ok, so now we have, we have abody found at Lake Cooper, back
at the house.
They are going through the homeand looking at all this.
(09:48):
So, chris, it's covered inblood the walls, the carpet in
the bedroom, in the kitchen, inthe hallway.
You can tell Manuela had triedto escape her attacker.
Because of the blood and thelocation.
Because of the blood and thelocation it looked like maybe
she had exited the bedroom, gotinto the hallway and then was
(10:13):
somehow attacked in the hallwayand then pulled back into the
bedroom.
They find tire tracks in theyard, which means that the car
was actually pulled around tothat side of the house, the keys
must have been left in it orsomething.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I mean, that is kind of weird how you obtain the keys
, but maybe you never know.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
The perpetrator we're going to eventually talk about
actually knew where the keyswere.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Gotcha.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
That's how he was really able to kind of move
through this house with such I'mgoing to use the word boldness.
I mean it's kind ofunbelievable that um, the, the
brazenness of going into a homewith people sleeping.
(10:59):
I mean this is like two 30 inthe morning that this attack
happened and yeah, especiallythat's not something typically
done by people that don't knowthe.
I mean this is like 2.30 in themorning that this attack
happened.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, especially that's not something typically
done by people that don't knowthe habits.
I mean you run the risk ofsomebody waking up.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
That's right.
But this person felt veryconfident in the way that they
knew the house, how they weregoing to go in and out.
I'm not sure if this personactually thought Manuela Allen
was going to put up such a fight, but she did.
She had we'll talk about herautopsy but she had multiple
defensive wounds in her hands.
But so they're looking at thiscrime scene and they're
(11:39):
realizing you know, this is avery personal attack and police
now believe whoever did this toManuela Allen knew her and
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So now that they have looked atthe crime scene at the home,
they are now looking at the LakeCooper crime scene.
(13:27):
So now we've got two crimescenes.
We've got where the crime takesplace and now we have where the
actual body and the car and thevehicle are found.
So one thing the officernotices is that there are
bicycle tracks.
So not just your average, justregular, I would say the skinny
looking wheels of a bicycle.
These are more like the tread,I would say like mountain bike
(13:52):
treading.
Yeah, that's what it lookedlike to me.
So a little thicker, right.
So they know they're going toput out an all points bulletin
looking for this bicycle.
And I thought that was kind ofinteresting, like all points for
a bicycle.
But what thought that was kindof interesting, like all points
for a bicycle.
But what this actually did wasit kind of got some people
thinking about who they mighthave seen on a bike, right, and
then you know where would thepath of what path would they
(14:16):
have taken to leave the park andthen get back into town,
wherever they live.
So they put an all pointsbulletin for a bicycle and so
now they're, they're sort of onthe hunt for this tread and so
two people actually come forwardand say the one was an oil
field worker and the other one,I believe, is a woman just
(14:37):
driving and seeing someone on abicycle.
But basically they both saidthat that person was traveling
back in towards town and awayfrom Lake Cooper and because of
that path and where this personwas seen on a bike, they
actually ended up pullingcameras from this area and they
did see someone, a young man, ona bike.
(15:01):
So they think you know, this isthis, is it, this is this is
the person.
Now I said that the family washome when the attack took place.
So you, how do three grownpeople not hear a thing?
Well, we know now that the boththe teenagers had headphones on,
one, I think, was playing avideo game up until very late in
(15:23):
his ears, and the other one waslistening to music, and that
the dad was on the couch, a verydeep sleeper and was asleep.
So we know that police askedthem.
You know what were you doingfrom this time to this time?
And this is basically thescenario they came up with Chris
, both kids had their headphonesin and the dad just heard
(15:46):
nothing.
Wow, I know, I know.
So they break the news to theAllen family that they have
found a body.
I mean, this is a small town,news travels fast.
It is confirmed to be that ofManuela Allen.
So the autopsy she had 47 stabwounds, majority of them were to
(16:10):
the skull.
She had cuts all over her hands, all over her head.
You could tell that she had puther hands up near her head,
near her skull, to stop theblows from continuing.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
The defensive wounds there.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yep, she had suffered strangulation, post-mortem
gunshot to the face, but theysaid she put up a fight and you
know she got out of that room.
In fact we will talk about theperpetrator and you know it's
interesting because he says thatshe got up like he attacked her
(16:49):
when she was sleeping.
It's 2 30 in the morning andshe actually got up, um, and
that's when she got into thehallway and that's when he
brought her back in and that'swhen he says he actually locked
the door.
So they, they were asking um,these questions once they find
him.
But at this point they don'tknow this right, they know the
(17:13):
husband's home, they know kidsare sleeping, they know this is
a very personal attack and sothe first person they're going
to look at is the husband.
Okay, I mean cause, I mean evenlike me going through this case
and like looking at at some ofthis information, it is kind of
(17:34):
I mean you have not only is hejust going to be a suspect in
general, because he's thehusband, but knowing he's there
and the brutality of this that'skind of what I think too and
just the racket that a lot ofthis would have made, Because
most of it occurred the gunshotoccurred in the house or at the
(17:54):
scene.
I think at the scene it waspost-mortem.
It's a post-mortem, so I meanother than that.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
But even so, somebody kicking and screaming and
fighting.
You know, I mean you would justthink, gosh, how I could see
headphones, especially, you know, if they're ones that close
over your ear.
If you're listening music, thatdoes kind of isolate you.
But for somebody just to besleeping on the couch, I mean
even if the tv's on, I don'tknow, I know kind of wild yeah,
so they, they bring him in, Imean, they bring peter allen
(18:21):
into the station and startquestioning him.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Now remember, she had four kids.
Two of the older children weregone.
One of them, I think, wasvisiting a friend somewhere and
the other one was out for thenight, but the other two kids
were there and this againhappens at 2.30 in the morning.
Now he will say he heard twothings, chris.
He heard a noise at some pointlike a thump, didn't really
(18:44):
think much of it, and then heheard the car starting.
So those were the two things.
And then, when he heard the carstart, by the time he got up he
did look out that window and bythe time he did, the car was
gone.
And that's when he realized,you know, maybe she went
somewhere, but he went rightback to sleep.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, that's what's so wild, right, like he goes
back to sleep, but by this timeshe's in that vehicle being
driven late, you know, to thelake yeah and um yeah, I mean,
that's too just like whatever,would you say he doesn't, um how
not hound his wife but I meanlike she's her own lady or I
(19:23):
don't know.
I mean that's just still a.
This isn't leaving at 630 inthe afternoon and just kind of
not.
I mean, I don't know.
Typically courtesy people saywhen they're leaving.
It has nothing to do withcontrol, but that seems
especially when something out ofthe norm and that unusual,
leaving that late and not eveninvestigate it.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, I can only imagine what he has to live with
on that.
Unless too, though, Right onhis conscience, these are kids
in high school, right?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I mean if they think that maybe a friend or something
like that was over late andleft.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Well, they just had headphones in Like they were
sleeping right.
Maybe him thinking like hearinga car, hearing some commotion.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Thinking it was the kids.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
Well no, he knew his car was gone.
He saw that the vehicle wasgone.
He knew that the vehicle heheard what he said was his car
and when he got up and looked,yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But when you think about that, though, like, unless
you have some sort of specialexhaust, a car sounds like a
freaking car.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
That's true, yeah, I don't know, or some loud muffler
or something like that.
So who knows?
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, he had no scratches on him, no cuts.
He basically told police in hisinterrogation video that if I
was going to get in a fight withmy wife, an attacker, I would
have some bruising, like she'sgonna, she's gonna put up a
fight.
And he had on him.
So police end up pulling thatcctv video.
(20:48):
They talked to the witnesses.
Um, that saw that bicycle andbecause he had no scratches on
him, you know, again, it's kindof hard to wrap your head around
the fact he is on the couch butthere was nothing really to
hold him and he seemed, seemedgenuinely upset.
You know that his wife had beenkilled.
Now there is one young man thatpolice do suspect is
(21:10):
responsible for severalrobberies around some of those
homes.
He did have a bicycle.
So they actually send theofficer right.
This is a small town.
There's only a few policeofficers.
So the same officer that wentto Lake Cooper and found all of
this stuff, including thosebicycle tracks, he is the one
(21:32):
who is sent to talk to thisyoung man at an apartment
complex.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
He sees a bike basically propped up on a wall
outside of one of the doors,excuse me.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
So once he gets into that apartment with that young
man, he basically asks him whodoes this bike belong to?
And that guy gives the name ofJulius Mullins.
Julius Mullins is a 19-year-old.
(22:17):
I think he was either 18, aboutto turn 19, or was 19.
He was a good kid from allaccounts, a football player.
Funny People liked him.
His friends on the footballteam said that he was liked by
everybody.
Now, the only thing about Juliusthat really they could talk
about in a maybe not so positivelight was that he had an
unstable home life.
It was said that some of theyou know, because he was a
(22:41):
football player and this is asmall town and people take care
of people, you know, sometimesthey would actually allow him to
sleep and shower in the highschool, like in the locker room
basically.
But you know he it's I don'twant to say like he had a
terrible home life and that'swhy he did this.
(23:02):
We don't actually know why hedid this.
What I do know is that JuliusMullins had dated the Allen's
oldest daughter and sheeventually breaks up with him,
which is the catalyst of thisattack.
But what drove him to thatnobody really knows.
So if this had something, to dowith his past?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Would the mother have to do with it, or did she have
some sort of bad blood with himor something for dating his
daughter?
Who knows?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well, you know, here's Mr Allen had said in
multiple interviews that henoticed bruises on his
daughter's arms one day and heasked her about him and she
basically said you know, he waslike playing and hitting me in
the arm.
But the dad did not like thatand he felt like a little tap on
(23:48):
the arm isn't going to do whathe saw.
So he went up to Julius Mullinsand said you know, don't ever
put your hands on my daughteragain.
And he never did.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Well, you know, but why?
Why go for the mother?
I mean he was dating thedaughter, Well, she was a.
But why go after the mother?
I mean, he was dating thedaughter, Well she was a teacher
at the high school.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
I think that you just have parents who don't.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
How violent the crime was.
That's what exactly was it thathe was taking out on the mother
.
You know, something else maybeoccurred that.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Well, I think that the parents probably did not
like him too much.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Based on what they saw in her, they didn't approve
of the relationship between himand their daughter.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I mean probably not.
I think that, you know, maybehis unstable home life kind of
left them thinking that shecould do better.
I think that he, um, you know,first of all, when the daughter
breaks up with him, he starts tobecome very isolated, he starts
(24:56):
acting different.
I mean he's this definitely istriggered.
This breakup definitelytriggers him to just all of a
sudden be to himself, dad,isolated himself from other
activities with friends.
So he took it hard and, yeah, Ithink she probably did not
(25:27):
approve and I think that shewanted to support her daughter.
But Chris, who knows, I mean hecould have been under the
assumption right, theassumptions of the parents being
the catalyst for the breakup.
Right, this is a kid and so whoknows what he's telling himself.
But whatever he was tellinghimself was bad enough to where
(25:49):
he felt the need to walk intosomeone's home at 2.30 in the
morning and stab her 47 timesknowing there are people at the
house.
I mean the brazenness.
I mean I still can't get overthat.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I know.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Like it's wild and okay.
So a tip comes into police andthis tip comes from a family
that took Julius Mullins to thelake the day.
That investigator basically thenext day after this happens,
(26:26):
police are already at the lakelooking around.
Well, other people in thisfamily are like I wonder what's
going on.
Well, this tip comes in fromthe man who says that he brought
Julius with his family to swimthat day, and he says that
Julius Mullins responds with oh,they found Manuela Allen's body
(26:48):
.
But this was way before thiswas ever announced.
But this was way before thiswas ever announced.
So he basically tells the familywhat they're doing, and then,
once they see that that'sactually the case, they make a
call into police and give themthis information.
(27:10):
This is what really?
puts Julius Mullins on the topof the list.
First you've got the bike andnow you've got these tips that
come in the day before thishappens, excuse me, the next day
, like the lake day.
(27:30):
He actually or, I'm sorry,maybe not that very next day,
but maybe the day after, when,when it's announced to the
public, right when they announcethat they have found Manuela
Allen, he texts his ex, who wastheir daughter, and he says to
her you know, I'm sorry aboutwhat happened, I hope you're
(27:52):
okay.
And she asked him was this you,like?
You knew the code of the garage, you knew where the keys were
going to be found, you knew howto get in, you knew how to pull
the vehicle.
I mean, you knew all thesethings.
Was this you?
And they actually end upgetting that information from
(28:13):
her phone.
Now, of course, he denied it,said it was not him, but she
thought that this could possiblybe him.
They end up finding a bunch ofDNA, chris, and it all points to
Julius Mullen.
So again, it all points toJulius Mullins.
So again, you have an amateurdoing this.
(28:34):
Dna is everywhere.
Once they, once they confirmedthat the DNA is found, they
arrest Julius Mullins andquestion him and he starts to
give the details about thisattack.
He basically says he ambushedher, started stabbing her while
she was asleep whenever he wastoo tired, I guess and ended up
(29:00):
getting off of her, thinkingthat maybe she was dead.
She gets up and tries to runfor her life.
He drags her back in, locks thedoor, finishes the job, wraps
her up in blankets and whateverhe can find.
And here's another thing toothe father had always said my
(29:22):
wife was like 200 pounds.
I don't think this kid, at 160,would have been able to pull
her body out of this house andget it into the car.
And then, not only that, theyget it out of the car and drag
it to where she's eventuallyfound.
So you're removing her, puttingher in, taking her back out and
then dragging her somewhereelse.
But you know people fail toremember that this kid, like
lifted weights, he playedfootball.
(29:44):
People said he hit hard.
And you have a lot ofadrenaline going in rush when
you're doing this.
I mean, imagine, imagine thekind of like energy this guy had
to have to, even in theadrenaline that was pumping
through his body, just to enterthat home.
You know, and I mean it's kindof a valid point.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Um, I don't know Absolutely.
I mean dead weight.
Um, when somebody is dead, theyare certainly clearly dead
weight yes, but it's just it's adifferent, different, uh,
that's a whole nother uh senseof heaviness, Cause I mean even
people that weigh 200 pounds andand can maybe help you scoot.
I mean, I think about, um, youknow, moving those people around
(30:28):
in hospital on a stretcher.
I mean, good Lord, it's, it's alot, but, like you said, he was
uh, he was athletic and he didwork out.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Perhaps yeah, Adrenaline.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Because I guess that would be the suggestion that
somebody helped him.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Yeah, the father did think there were two people
involved in this, but policereally didn't find anybody
else's DNA and nobody cameforward and Julius Mullins
wasn't giving anyone else up andit's a 19-year-old kid.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
The likelihood of him keeping quiet this long if
somebody else was involved ispretty low.
Like he could, yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
And again you have to remember like this kid was kind
of turning into a loner at thispoint, right, so he's keeping
all of this bottled inside.
People knew he was kind ofupset about the relationship and
he clearly was taking it hard,but not to the point where they
thought he would do anythinglike this.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
To me even motive still seems very soft, like what
is the.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
What beef?
Speaker 2 (31:28):
did he have with the mother, Even if they was
disapproving.
There just seems like therewould have to be something.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
No, not necessarily.
He could literally be tellinghimself that they were the
catalyst to end thisrelationship right Like it's
whatever he's telling his ownself is what I think.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
I guess yeah, but I mean it's, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
I mean, she could have even said something like
you know.
I mean off comments of like,yeah, my parents aren't happy
about this, right, or I'm nothappy about this, or my talk to
my mom.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
I mean, I know, but I feel like that would be that
would be um more to more aboutthis story, like the daughter
would be indicating that, likethe parents weren't happy with
it and the relationship, andblah, blah, blah.
And so you know, I mean whoknows?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I mean maybe it was, but also too, he could have just
kind of flipped and, you know,decided to lash out somebody,
and she was the likely one Wellhe never actually says why he
did this.
Yeah, first he tells police likehe was at a party and on drugs,
and they find out like that wasa lie.
And they find out like that wasa lie and then I mean his story
changed multiple times.
But they, I mean the reason isbecause the relationship ended
(32:45):
and whether he was just upsetand wanted revenge, right, like
if I kill the mom then thatmakes her sad forever, right.
Like we don't know.
I mean, people think some wild,wild things so he never
actually comes out and says whyhe actually did this.
But, chris, he pleaded guiltyto murder.
(33:06):
He was sentenced to 55 yearsfor murder, 20 years for
burglary and 20 for abuse of acorpse.
Thank you,
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