March 18, 2025 • 30 mins
When neighbors felt the walls of their Chicago apartment growing hot on a summer night in 2018, they knew something was terribly wrong. Behind those walls, 38-year-old bartender and mother of three T'Anda Hall lay beaten and dying as flames began consuming her bedroom — the tragic culmination of what had started as a friendly card game hours earlier.
T'Anda had recently met Wes Arnold, a man whose violent history remained hidden from her until it was too late. Friends who'd been playing cards with them that evening described Arnold growing increasingly agitated, particularly when money from T'Anda's "Rainy Day Fund" went missing. Sensing danger, they left. Minutes later, neighbors heard running footsteps down the stairwell.
The investigation revealed a pattern all too familiar in cases of domestic violence. Arnold, on parole for battery at the time, had an extensive history of abusing women — so severe that even his own family refused to shelter him. Security footage, witness testimony, and forensic evidence painted a clear picture of what happened after T'Anda's friends departed: a brutal beating followed by arson meant to cover his tracks. Most disturbing was the medical examiner's finding that T'Anda had smoke in her lungs, meaning she was still alive when Arnold set the fire.
While evading capture, Arnold's violence continued. He assaulted another woman who had briefly given him shelter, leaving her with 17 stitches. This pattern of escalating violence ultimately led to his conviction and life sentence plus 50 years for arson.
T'Anda's story serves as a haunting reminder of how quickly violence can escalate and the importance of recognizing warning signs in potentially dangerous relationships. Through our exploration of this case, we honor her memory while examining the factors that led to this preventable tragedy.
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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome all of you wine and true crime lovers.
I'm Brandi and I'm Chris andthis is Texas wine and true
crime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
.
Murder in Englewood.
Hey, chris.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey Brandi.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
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(00:54):
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(01:32):
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(02:11):
carignan.
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(03:02):
mushrooms, juice and gravy.
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Yes, it was a perfect pairing.
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Okay, Chris, are you ready tojump into this week's case?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
All right, friends, it's time to sip some wine and
talk some crime.
All right, so we are going backto July, the 12th of 2018, in
Englewood, chicago area we callit more of an urban area of
Chicago Population used to be alot greater, based on stats that
I looked at.
Now they're looking at about20,000 to 25,000 people that
(03:48):
still live in Englewood.
So calls to the fire departmentpolice department are not
unusual in this area South sideof Chicago correct.
South side of Chicago.
So when police get a phone calland fire department that there
is a fire, I think the firstthought is that it's an
abandoned building.
There's a lot of abandonedhouses a lot of abandoned
(04:09):
apartments, but people areactually living in this
apartment that's on fire.
Police and fire show up.
You have frantic residents whothankfully have been able to get
out of the apartment because ofa neighbor who was able to
knock on all the doors.
Get everyone out.
But the one person that'smissing is where the fire
(04:30):
started, in the apartment ofTeanda Hall.
So she's a 38-year-old mom ofthree.
She was working as a bartenderat this time.
She had lots of friends.
I think she was only in thisapartment for about three months
, so I think she was trying toget her bearings and the
landlord said she was pleasantand didn't really cause a ruckus
(04:53):
.
So people really liked thisgirl and so when neighbors are
trying to alert everyone, geteveryone out.
They tell them this is TiondaHall's apartment and they
quickly go in and realize thatshe is deceased in the bedroom.
And they do find her body.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And they must have gotten this fire extinguished
somewhat quickly, I would assume, because it only contained, or
was contained in her apartment,solely correct, that's correct,
the neighbor who went over thereand started alerting other
neighbors, or was contained inher apartment solely?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
correct, that's correct.
The neighbor who went overthere and started alerting other
neighbors, his wall was hot.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, he could feel the warmth.
Yeah, he could feel the warmthin his room.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And then when he put his hand to the wall which backs
up into Yonda Hall's apartment,he realizes something was very
wrong.
So when police and fire arrivethey see that her door has been
kicked in.
So they're thinking didsomebody kick in her door,
murder her, set this place onfire?
To cover up evidence but cometo find out, the neighbor is the
one who actually kicked downthe door when there was no
(05:58):
answer from her, in an effort tosave her.
In an effort to save her.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yes, let her know, you know I.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
In an effort to save her.
Yes, let her know, you know.
I mean, he probably thoughtsomething was very wrong,
considering she was not exitingthe building like everyone else,
and so I guess he did.
But he didn't go back farenough into the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, I was going to say the next step, save
everybody else, that's right,save everybody else.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So, and he did just that.
So police, unfortunately, theyfind T'Anda Hall's body.
She is then taken, you know, tothe morgue.
They end up doing an autopsy onher, and what they find?
Well, one thing they realizedwhen they arrived the bedroom is
(06:38):
burned, right, there's a firethat had been started, they can
smell accelerants, but there wasblood underneath their head and
there was also what theynoticed was little markings on
her body.
And so, by the time they gother to the medical examiner and
once they confirmed that thiswas actually her, they had to
let friends know, family know,um, they realized that she had
(06:59):
been beaten to death.
She had lacerations on her head, she had multiple uh, what,
what I would say would be likeum, when they found her, that
looked like her face had maybebeen shifted, it was not lining
up.
We know she had a broken jaw,that so she had been beaten to
(07:20):
death.
There were some reports thatthere was some injury to the
neck as well.
Um, but clearly the person whodid this was trying to cover up
evidence that's what I'd say.
Clearly, something else isgoing on here not just fire
started in an effort to um coverup whatever cover it up um so
police are investigating, tryingto figure out what actually
(07:43):
happened to this woman.
Um chris people who live in theapartment I would call them ear
witnesses, not eyewitnessesbecause, they heard something
instead of seeing something, andwhat they actually tell police
is they heard two people runningdown the stairs I would say,
about 30 to 45 minutes beforethis call comes in, that there's
(08:05):
a fire.
So I think this whole time, andthey're looking for camera
footage.
So they're asking the landlordto pull the camera footage.
Thankfully, there was footagein this case, which is always
helpful.
And please, if you own abusiness, own a company, own a
parking lot and you don't haveworking cameras, get your
cameras working.
You never know when they'reneeded.
So they are able to get some ofthis evidence, but what they
(08:29):
want to find out is who arethese two people?
One thing they do notice whenthey're going over the scene is
that there's playing cards,there's glasses on the table.
It looked like people had beenover there when this occurred.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, and honestly I'm shocked that they even had a
working camera, quite frankly,I know, but they did so
thankfully yes yeah, um, so bythis time police are well,
here's the first thing.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Tayonda hall's information is now on the news,
like that.
They have found the body, thatthere was a fire.
People realize it's herbuilding.
So word spreads quickly.
Two people come forward andsaid that they were at Tanda
Hall's apartment the night thishappened.
But they weren't the only othertwo there.
There was another person thereby the name of Wes Arnold.
(09:19):
So you have two friends thatcome forward and tell police
that they were playing cardswith Tionda Hall and Wes Arnold.
They were also telling policethat Wes was acting a little
strange, a little angry.
They had actually met himbefore, but he just seemed more
(09:39):
agitated than usual.
I kind of got the vibe from theresearch that this was not a
fun guy to be around.
They couldn't enjoy themselvesin their friend's apartment and,
by the way, these were, likeher, close friends not his
friends.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
They were normal, or it gets normal for them to be
over there without him there.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
He's new in this picture.
I don't know exactly how longTeyanda Hall knew Wes Arnold,
but I'm willing to bet it waswithin a month, maybe two months
(10:19):
, not very long at all.
So these two people tell themthat around 11 o'clock Wes
seemed very agitated.
I think that they were ready togo at this point and they could
tell that their friend lookedlike she wasn't really having a
great time.
So I think it was time for themto go.
They asked to end a haul ifthey can borrow $50.
(10:39):
Now, Tionda, the friends tellthe police this was not unusual
for us.
This wasn't unusual for us toask each other for money and
then pay it forward eventually.
So she went in her bedroom toget what we know now she had as
a jar called the Rainy Day Fundand she was going to give the
(11:01):
money.
Her tip jar and she was going togive them the money.
Well, while this is happening,the two friends tell police that
Wes Arnold is saying thingslike we're not giving you shit,
we're not giving you any money,you're lucky if we give you $20.
And they thought this wasstrange because he's using the
word we and it's not his money,definitely not his apartment,
(11:24):
and it's nothing is hisdefinitely not his apartment and
it's nothing is his.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So you wonder too, like I mean time um timeline
wise, was he angry?
Because they say it was angry,of course, when they were,
that's right did they ask forthe money kind of early in the
game in this little.
I don't want to call italtercation, but um, his
attitude changed perhaps whenthey were asking for money um
well maybe well, the agitationincreased I would say that for
Speaker 1 (11:47):
sure.
But you know, the first thinghe got upset about was something
with the dishes.
If I can remember when I wasgoing through the reports, right
um, that he was annoyed byeither the dishes not being done
or the fact that he was askedto clean his dish.
Not exactly sure, but I do knowthat the progression of the
agitation was through the night,based on the friends, based on
(12:11):
the two friends testimony.
So Taya Hall comes out of thatbedroom and because her, her
rainy day fund is gone, the jaris absolutely gone.
So she comes out, tells herfriends you know my money's
missing, you know you can.
You probably can feel thetension in this room at this
(12:33):
point.
I think she knew that wes arnoldhad taken this money in this
jar, probably because he wasprobably the only one accessing
her apartment at this timebesides her close friends, right
?
so only intimate person that'sprobably in her bedroom that
would have access to this.
And so her friends quickly seethat this is not going to go
(12:54):
well, that she looks veryannoyed and she says it's time
to go.
And this is when these two fleedown the stairs, which is what
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So now they have statements fromthe two friends that have fleed
the scene, which is now whatthey know the neighbor heard.
So they want to know who thisWes Arnold is, and so they look
(15:33):
him up.
Now they have a name, they havea name to go with.
They look him up and theyrealize he has quite an
extensive history for battery,domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
On parole for battery .
Speaker 1 (15:46):
On parole for battery , domestic violence.
On parole for battery.
On parole for battery, and theyrealize that this guy is not a
good guy.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, you almost wish she would have had that
capability to do a littlebackground research too.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You know we talk a lot about that and to come and
to, you know I think you meetpeople and I always want to say
this, sometimes the most thepeople that we want to save,
because friends will come andsay that Tiana halls, um, um,
her taste in men was not thisguy.
(16:21):
He did not fit the mold of what, of who she would typically
date, and so I think for her,this was someone who she wanted
to help, who she wanted to help,maybe save a little bit.
Do I think she knew the extentof what this guy had done in his
previous life?
No, but it stems back all theway to 2011 on a battery charge,
(16:44):
but you do have him having tosee a parole officer.
So quickly, police find outexactly who he is, what he looks
like and thankfully now they'regoing to be able to see this
video footage of him being thelast person seen in her
apartment, which he was.
But they're looking for thisguy.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, and then just to go back to the statement of
the friends coming forward, whenthey see this on the news, they
hear nothing from him.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Nothing.
But he says he heard it onsocial media the following day
and he knew he was going to be asuspect, which is why he ends
up doing what he's doing.
And what he's trying to do isflee and I don't mean flee out
of the city, because we know hestays in Englewood, but he
basically is not going to goback to the last address that's
(17:38):
listed on his parole officer'slist, because that's where
police go.
And the woman who's livingthere says you know what?
Yeah, he's family, but we don'tallow him to stay here because
of his abuse of women.
And so then they actually knowagain that who they're dealing
with, based on what family issaying Well, in this time
(17:59):
they're looking for him.
A call comes in from a woman whosays that she wants to report a
domestic violence abuse with aguy she had living in her
apartment or staying in herapartment.
So she tells police that shemet.
What we know now is Wes Arnold.
She meets Wes Arnold.
He is able to schmooze herenough to get into her apartment
(18:23):
because he needs a place tohide out and stay right yeah,
he's not looking to just walkthe streets well, that's what we
had discussed too.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
If, if you know, depending on when he took this
money the rainy day fund that isyou know why was he hanging
around the city?
But you had said too, perhapshe just didn't have enough money
to, I guess, truly flee andleave the city, but that just
seems yeah, but her rainy dayfund wasn't all of her money.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Her rainy day fund was like an extra five bucks or
ten bucks, so it justaccumulated and she would use it
on different things.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, I know we don't really know what the value was.
I just don't think he hadenough money to do any of those
things.
Well, I know, I mean, I just orhe wasn't smart enough.
It just seems odd.
Know somebody who's at least inthe town.
You know a couple towns over orsomething, but you know who
knows?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
well, you've wasted all your resources.
Family doesn't even let you in,right, so probably probably not
very many places to go.
So he ends up in this woman'sapartment.
She calls police, reports thisand she tells them that she has
a guy.
She had a guy living with herfor a week, like not very long,
and just even a few days, notvery long at all.
(19:27):
So she tells police that shecould tell by the conversations
that they were having that hewas kind of up to something.
She realized he was on a parolecharge.
She realized that she couldjust tell like he might be in
trouble for something and shewanted to have nothing to do
with it.
So she tells police she askedhim to leave and he basically
(19:51):
went crazy and told her that hewasn't leaving and then hits her
so hard that it knocks herunconscious when she comes to
Wes Arnold and all of his thingsare gone and he left her with
17 stitches.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yes, Arnold and all of his things are gone, and he
left her with 17 stitches?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yes, he did, and so she will call police and report
that this has happened to her.
And police, now, you know, Ithink they worry about the fact
that now they have the same guybeating, you know, hitting a
woman so hard, knocking her out,and then not only that, you hit
(20:31):
and kill a woman and beat herto death and then try to cover
up by lighting the apartment onfire.
So they are dealing withsomeone in a very small area
population and I think they'rekind of concerned about this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yes, so while Clearly he's violent, clearly he's
violent population and I thinkthey're, I think they're kind of
concerned about this.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, so, while clearly he's violent, clearly
he's violent and the girlactually agrees, chris, to kind
of um help find him.
Like where could he be?
like help set him up yeah, helpsaid like where could he be?
Where can we find him?
Well, in this time another callcomes in and says that there is
someone acting erratically orstrange, basically like in the
front of a convenience store inInglewood, and so police respond
(21:12):
to the call and what we knownow, who is?
Wes Arnold gives a differentname.
Well, this name just happens tobe associated with a DUI that
was actually never taken care ofEither.
No show to court, there was awarrant out for the arrest on
the DUI and I thought to myself,out of all the people you could
(21:32):
have used, you used someone whohas a warrant out for their
arrest.
And you look nothing like them.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I was going to say, too, that in this day and age,
when somebody gives a fake name,a picture comes up on the
screen.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
On the carpenters.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
That's comes up on the screen, you know that's
right on there on the carpenters, that's right, and so looks
nothing like him.
And then, finally, you know itcomes out that it's actually him
.
So they start, they take himdown to the station.
Okay, and they want to know afew things.
First they want to talk about,they wait on the new girlfriend
question about her beat, herbeing hit in that domestic
violence situation.
They are focused on whathappened to Teyanda Hall.
(22:09):
Now he will tell them that hewas in the apartment, that he
was in the apartment and that hewas the last to see her.
But when he left her, you knowshe was alive and that there
wasn't any reason for him tothink that she would be dead.
(22:30):
So but when detectives presshim more about the fire, he
doesn't really have an answerother than like maybe she
started it herself.
Um, he says cigarette orsomething.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He does, he uses that .
He also says they had gone to abar because they were talking
about you know how could she?
We know that she was beat up,right, we know that she had had
injuries to her and his excusewas that they had gone to a bar.
And she can get mouthy when shedrinks and and she started, you
know, spouting her mouth off toa couple of guys in a bar, so
(23:10):
they started roughing her up alittle bit, which is what?
And then when he says they getback to the apartment, he sees
the bruises on her.
So none of it's really makingany sense.
Um, police aren't, aren'tbuying it and they pressing him
more.
You know, they want to know andand by this time, chris,
(23:31):
they've got the footage.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I mean, they don't see anyone else entering or
exiting that apartment yeah, andyou have to really wonder too
because clearly he was um onparole for battery he beat
another woman after this murder.
Uh, what was so different aboutthe situation with her that
drove him to that?
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I mean, like he's beating women, he's never that's
just like what made him crossthat line um, I would say that
tanda hall's friends describeher as someone who would not
have put up with that I thinkshe was angry, I think she
fought back and I think thatmakes people angrier when they
want the upper hand, very sureand we don't know what was said.
(24:10):
In that apartment the only twopeople left were were both of
them?
Um, you know it.
Looking back in hindsight, youknow, maybe the friends could
have thought but you're, youdon't think someone's going to
do that and I think that's.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I guess I'm just kind of wondering too like, because
even just you know that's angeryeah pushed him over that
boundary yeah, anger.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And then, not only that, you have a woman who you
barely even know and you've goneinto her apartment and she's
found out, like what you'rereally about, and has asked you
to leave, and you and you hither because she wants you to go,
because you have no otheroptions, and but thankfully he
did not cross the line with her.
(24:53):
But who knows, I mean, maybe hehad hit her so hard that he
thought he killed her.
I mean, we, we really don'tyeah all right, so let's talk
about or you know, like too.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Did he just go too far, you know, like, with
beating her, you know, and beather to death, and then realize
he had gone too far at thatpoint, like that, wasn't it?
I mean, was that his intentionto murder her, or did just, you
know, did the beating go pastbeyond that point?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
and then well, and I also think when you're beating
someone, you never know whenit's going to kill them.
Right like it can come to apoint where you can hit someone
once and kill them well, in theright way.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right and, as we know , she had smoke in her lungs, so
she did was not dead when thefire was started not, and that's
the you know that's hard tothink about.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know the fact that she had all these injuries,
that she had suffered multiplelacerations to her, hadn't been
beaten so badly, but she wasstill alive when the fire was
started.
Now he says that the newgirlfriend who makes this phone
call into the police that she'slying.
That actually what happened.
Disgruntled yeah, that shebasically wakes him up in the
(25:59):
middle of the night and shewants him to hold her and he
tells her to go back to sleepand then she gets like mad and
pulls the covers off of him.
So he grabs her arm, tells herto calm down.
He says she starts going nutsand that she probably just
called police to get even withhim.
Okay, that doesn't explain her17 stitches.
(26:21):
But okay, all right, detectiveshave had enough of this.
Um, at the end of thisinterview, they book him on a
first degree murder and arsoncharges.
Um, so he is charged with tandahalls murder.
Um, this case will actually goto trial, but because of COVID,
it was delayed quite a bit.
(26:42):
It wasn't until September of2023 that he finally stands
trial for the murder ofTeandahol.
So his argument was that.
So his argument was thatprosecutors basically say that
(27:02):
when the two people left theapartment, tensions were high
and at some point he lashes outat her, he hits her, she goes
down and in this rage, hebasically doesn't stop.
He just continues to hit her,to hit her, to hit her but yeah,
I mean prosecutors to hit her.
Um, but yeah, I mean,prosecutors have to come in with
something right.
So you know that's what they'resaying is he's doing to her and
(27:26):
his defense team is basicallysaying that you know there was
there may have been a fight oran argument, but really it was
her lit cigarette that startedthis fire and that there was
other.
You know that that, that theydid get into the argument, but
then he maintains that he didn'tkill her.
(27:48):
But then they know, like he wasthe last one to leave.
It's just not going well forhim.
I mean, it's the prosecution hasa really good case here they
saw like wine and wine glassesfor him.
I mean, it's the prosecutionhas a really good case here.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
They saw like wine and wine glasses.
I'm sure they probably tried toplay the angle that you know
she was drunk and the cigaretteyou know, cigarette slipped out
of her hand and ignited the fire.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well, and the defense has to do something right.
They're there to defend theirclient, so they have to come up
with some stories they did findthe stove on right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
With the gas turned on Like no pilot light.
But the gas was turned on, yeah, which this fire could have
been 10 times worse, 10 timesworse.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
And blown up the place not just had a fire either
.
So the verdict comes down.
So he's found guilty.
Of course he's found guilty.
The judge sentenced him to lifein prison for the murder, plus
a consecutive 50-year sentencefor the arson charge.
So this guy is a real piece ofwork.
(28:43):
I was looking at his reporthistory because this case is
closed.
He is in prison of things hewas doing to women and the abuse
and the allegation and what wason his record and the fact that
he was, you know, denied byfamily because of his abuse of
women and the fact that you knowhe's going to be a 38-year-old
(29:08):
woman who's been just trying tohelp him and be a friend to him.
He's going to just murder herbecause he knows he did
something wrong, which wasprobably steal her money, and
this is how this argumentstarted.
So you know, thankfully, chris,he's behind bars and exactly
where he should be and willhopefully never see the light of
(29:30):
day again.
Thank you, bye.
Welcome all of you wine and true crime lovers.
I'm Brandi and I'm Chris andthis is Texas wine and true
crime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
.
Murder in Englewood.
Hey, chris.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hey Brandi.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
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(01:32):
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(02:11):
carignan.
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(03:02):
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Okay, Chris, are you ready tojump into this week's case?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
All right, friends, it's time to sip some wine and
talk some crime.
All right, so we are going backto July, the 12th of 2018, in
Englewood, chicago area we callit more of an urban area of
Chicago Population used to be alot greater, based on stats that
I looked at.
Now they're looking at about20,000 to 25,000 people that
(03:48):
still live in Englewood.
So calls to the fire departmentpolice department are not
unusual in this area South sideof Chicago correct.
South side of Chicago.
So when police get a phone calland fire department that there
is a fire, I think the firstthought is that it's an
abandoned building.
There's a lot of abandonedhouses a lot of abandoned
(04:09):
apartments, but people areactually living in this
apartment that's on fire.
Police and fire show up.
You have frantic residents whothankfully have been able to get
out of the apartment because ofa neighbor who was able to
knock on all the doors.
Get everyone out.
But the one person that'smissing is where the fire
(04:30):
started, in the apartment ofTeanda Hall.
So she's a 38-year-old mom ofthree.
She was working as a bartenderat this time.
She had lots of friends.
I think she was only in thisapartment for about three months
, so I think she was trying toget her bearings and the
landlord said she was pleasantand didn't really cause a ruckus
(04:53):
.
So people really liked thisgirl and so when neighbors are
trying to alert everyone, geteveryone out.
They tell them this is TiondaHall's apartment and they
quickly go in and realize thatshe is deceased in the bedroom.
And they do find her body.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
And they must have gotten this fire extinguished
somewhat quickly, I would assume, because it only contained, or
was contained in her apartment,solely correct, that's correct,
the neighbor who went over thereand started alerting other
neighbors, or was contained inher apartment solely?
Speaker 1 (05:24):
correct, that's correct.
The neighbor who went overthere and started alerting other
neighbors, his wall was hot.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, he could feel the warmth.
Yeah, he could feel the warmthin his room.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
And then when he put his hand to the wall which backs
up into Yonda Hall's apartment,he realizes something was very
wrong.
So when police and fire arrivethey see that her door has been
kicked in.
So they're thinking didsomebody kick in her door,
murder her, set this place onfire?
To cover up evidence but cometo find out, the neighbor is the
one who actually kicked downthe door when there was no
(05:58):
answer from her, in an effort tosave her.
In an effort to save her.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yes, let her know, you know I.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
In an effort to save her.
Yes, let her know, you know.
I mean, he probably thoughtsomething was very wrong,
considering she was not exitingthe building like everyone else,
and so I guess he did.
But he didn't go back farenough into the bedroom.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Well, I was going to say the next step, save
everybody else, that's right,save everybody else.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
So, and he did just that.
So police, unfortunately, theyfind T'Anda Hall's body.
She is then taken, you know, tothe morgue.
They end up doing an autopsy onher, and what they find?
Well, one thing they realizedwhen they arrived the bedroom is
(06:38):
burned, right, there's a firethat had been started, they can
smell accelerants, but there wasblood underneath their head and
there was also what theynoticed was little markings on
her body.
And so, by the time they gother to the medical examiner and
once they confirmed that thiswas actually her, they had to
let friends know, family know,um, they realized that she had
(06:59):
been beaten to death.
She had lacerations on her head, she had multiple uh, what,
what I would say would be likeum, when they found her, that
looked like her face had maybebeen shifted, it was not lining
up.
We know she had a broken jaw,that so she had been beaten to
(07:20):
death.
There were some reports thatthere was some injury to the
neck as well.
Um, but clearly the person whodid this was trying to cover up
evidence that's what I'd say.
Clearly, something else isgoing on here not just fire
started in an effort to um coverup whatever cover it up um so
police are investigating, tryingto figure out what actually
(07:43):
happened to this woman.
Um chris people who live in theapartment I would call them ear
witnesses, not eyewitnessesbecause, they heard something
instead of seeing something, andwhat they actually tell police
is they heard two people runningdown the stairs I would say,
about 30 to 45 minutes beforethis call comes in, that there's
(08:05):
a fire.
So I think this whole time, andthey're looking for camera
footage.
So they're asking the landlordto pull the camera footage.
Thankfully, there was footagein this case, which is always
helpful.
And please, if you own abusiness, own a company, own a
parking lot and you don't haveworking cameras, get your
cameras working.
You never know when they'reneeded.
So they are able to get some ofthis evidence, but what they
(08:29):
want to find out is who arethese two people?
One thing they do notice whenthey're going over the scene is
that there's playing cards,there's glasses on the table.
It looked like people had beenover there when this occurred.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yeah, and honestly I'm shocked that they even had a
working camera, quite frankly,I know, but they did so
thankfully yes yeah, um, so bythis time police are well,
here's the first thing.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Tayonda hall's information is now on the news,
like that.
They have found the body, thatthere was a fire.
People realize it's herbuilding.
So word spreads quickly.
Two people come forward andsaid that they were at Tanda
Hall's apartment the night thishappened.
But they weren't the only othertwo there.
There was another person thereby the name of Wes Arnold.
(09:19):
So you have two friends thatcome forward and tell police
that they were playing cardswith Tionda Hall and Wes Arnold.
They were also telling policethat Wes was acting a little
strange, a little angry.
They had actually met himbefore, but he just seemed more
(09:39):
agitated than usual.
I kind of got the vibe from theresearch that this was not a
fun guy to be around.
They couldn't enjoy themselvesin their friend's apartment and,
by the way, these were, likeher, close friends not his
friends.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
They were normal, or it gets normal for them to be
over there without him there.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
He's new in this picture.
I don't know exactly how longTeyanda Hall knew Wes Arnold,
but I'm willing to bet it waswithin a month, maybe two months
(10:19):
, not very long at all.
So these two people tell themthat around 11 o'clock Wes
seemed very agitated.
I think that they were ready togo at this point and they could
tell that their friend lookedlike she wasn't really having a
great time.
So I think it was time for themto go.
They asked to end a haul ifthey can borrow $50.
(10:39):
Now, Tionda, the friends tellthe police this was not unusual
for us.
This wasn't unusual for us toask each other for money and
then pay it forward eventually.
So she went in her bedroom toget what we know now she had as
a jar called the Rainy Day Fundand she was going to give the
(11:01):
money.
Her tip jar and she was going togive them the money.
Well, while this is happening,the two friends tell police that
Wes Arnold is saying thingslike we're not giving you shit,
we're not giving you any money,you're lucky if we give you $20.
And they thought this wasstrange because he's using the
word we and it's not his money,definitely not his apartment,
(11:24):
and it's nothing is hisdefinitely not his apartment and
it's nothing is his.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
So you wonder too, like I mean time um timeline
wise, was he angry?
Because they say it was angry,of course, when they were,
that's right did they ask forthe money kind of early in the
game in this little.
I don't want to call italtercation, but um, his
attitude changed perhaps whenthey were asking for money um
well maybe well, the agitationincreased I would say that for
Speaker 1 (11:47):
sure.
But you know, the first thinghe got upset about was something
with the dishes.
If I can remember when I wasgoing through the reports, right
um, that he was annoyed byeither the dishes not being done
or the fact that he was askedto clean his dish.
Not exactly sure, but I do knowthat the progression of the
agitation was through the night,based on the friends, based on
(12:11):
the two friends testimony.
So Taya Hall comes out of thatbedroom and because her, her
rainy day fund is gone, the jaris absolutely gone.
So she comes out, tells herfriends you know my money's
missing, you know you can.
You probably can feel thetension in this room at this
(12:33):
point.
I think she knew that wes arnoldhad taken this money in this
jar, probably because he wasprobably the only one accessing
her apartment at this timebesides her close friends, right
?
so only intimate person that'sprobably in her bedroom that
would have access to this.
And so her friends quickly seethat this is not going to go
(12:54):
well, that she looks veryannoyed and she says it's time
to go.
And this is when these two fleedown the stairs, which is what
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So now they have statements fromthe two friends that have fleed
the scene, which is now whatthey know the neighbor heard.
So they want to know who thisWes Arnold is, and so they look
(15:33):
him up.
Now they have a name, they havea name to go with.
They look him up and theyrealize he has quite an
extensive history for battery,domestic violence.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
On parole for battery .
Speaker 1 (15:46):
On parole for battery , domestic violence.
On parole for battery.
On parole for battery, and theyrealize that this guy is not a
good guy.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, you almost wish she would have had that
capability to do a littlebackground research too.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You know we talk a lot about that and to come and
to, you know I think you meetpeople and I always want to say
this, sometimes the most thepeople that we want to save,
because friends will come andsay that Tiana halls, um, um,
her taste in men was not thisguy.
(16:21):
He did not fit the mold of what, of who she would typically
date, and so I think for her,this was someone who she wanted
to help, who she wanted to help,maybe save a little bit.
Do I think she knew the extentof what this guy had done in his
previous life?
No, but it stems back all theway to 2011 on a battery charge,
(16:44):
but you do have him having tosee a parole officer.
So quickly, police find outexactly who he is, what he looks
like and thankfully now they'regoing to be able to see this
video footage of him being thelast person seen in her
apartment, which he was.
But they're looking for thisguy.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Well, and then just to go back to the statement of
the friends coming forward, whenthey see this on the news, they
hear nothing from him.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Nothing.
But he says he heard it onsocial media the following day
and he knew he was going to be asuspect, which is why he ends
up doing what he's doing.
And what he's trying to do isflee and I don't mean flee out
of the city, because we know hestays in Englewood, but he
basically is not going to goback to the last address that's
(17:38):
listed on his parole officer'slist, because that's where
police go.
And the woman who's livingthere says you know what?
Yeah, he's family, but we don'tallow him to stay here because
of his abuse of women.
And so then they actually knowagain that who they're dealing
with, based on what family issaying Well, in this time
(17:59):
they're looking for him.
A call comes in from a woman whosays that she wants to report a
domestic violence abuse with aguy she had living in her
apartment or staying in herapartment.
So she tells police that shemet.
What we know now is Wes Arnold.
She meets Wes Arnold.
He is able to schmooze herenough to get into her apartment
(18:23):
because he needs a place tohide out and stay right yeah,
he's not looking to just walkthe streets well, that's what we
had discussed too.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
If, if you know, depending on when he took this
money the rainy day fund that isyou know why was he hanging
around the city?
But you had said too, perhapshe just didn't have enough money
to, I guess, truly flee andleave the city, but that just
seems yeah, but her rainy dayfund wasn't all of her money.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Her rainy day fund was like an extra five bucks or
ten bucks, so it justaccumulated and she would use it
on different things.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
No, I know we don't really know what the value was.
I just don't think he hadenough money to do any of those
things.
Well, I know, I mean, I just orhe wasn't smart enough.
It just seems odd.
Know somebody who's at least inthe town.
You know a couple towns over orsomething, but you know who
knows?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
well, you've wasted all your resources.
Family doesn't even let you in,right, so probably probably not
very many places to go.
So he ends up in this woman'sapartment.
She calls police, reports thisand she tells them that she has
a guy.
She had a guy living with herfor a week, like not very long,
and just even a few days, notvery long at all.
(19:27):
So she tells police that shecould tell by the conversations
that they were having that hewas kind of up to something.
She realized he was on a parolecharge.
She realized that she couldjust tell like he might be in
trouble for something and shewanted to have nothing to do
with it.
So she tells police she askedhim to leave and he basically
(19:51):
went crazy and told her that hewasn't leaving and then hits her
so hard that it knocks herunconscious when she comes to
Wes Arnold and all of his thingsare gone and he left her with
17 stitches.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yes, Arnold and all of his things are gone, and he
left her with 17 stitches?
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yes, he did, and so she will call police and report
that this has happened to her.
And police, now, you know, Ithink they worry about the fact
that now they have the same guybeating, you know, hitting a
woman so hard, knocking her out,and then not only that, you hit
(20:31):
and kill a woman and beat herto death and then try to cover
up by lighting the apartment onfire.
So they are dealing withsomeone in a very small area
population and I think they'rekind of concerned about this.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yes, so while Clearly he's violent, clearly he's
violent population and I thinkthey're, I think they're kind of
concerned about this.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, so, while clearly he's violent, clearly
he's violent and the girlactually agrees, chris, to kind
of um help find him.
Like where could he be?
like help set him up yeah, helpsaid like where could he be?
Where can we find him?
Well, in this time another callcomes in and says that there is
someone acting erratically orstrange, basically like in the
front of a convenience store inInglewood, and so police respond
(21:12):
to the call and what we knownow, who is?
Wes Arnold gives a differentname.
Well, this name just happens tobe associated with a DUI that
was actually never taken care ofEither.
No show to court, there was awarrant out for the arrest on
the DUI and I thought to myself,out of all the people you could
(21:32):
have used, you used someone whohas a warrant out for their
arrest.
And you look nothing like them.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
I was going to say, too, that in this day and age,
when somebody gives a fake name,a picture comes up on the
screen.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
On the carpenters.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
That's comes up on the screen, you know that's
right on there on the carpenters, that's right, and so looks
nothing like him.
And then, finally, you know itcomes out that it's actually him
.
So they start, they take himdown to the station.
Okay, and they want to know afew things.
First they want to talk about,they wait on the new girlfriend
question about her beat, herbeing hit in that domestic
violence situation.
They are focused on whathappened to Teyanda Hall.
(22:09):
Now he will tell them that hewas in the apartment, that he
was in the apartment and that hewas the last to see her.
But when he left her, you knowshe was alive and that there
wasn't any reason for him tothink that she would be dead.
(22:30):
So but when detectives presshim more about the fire, he
doesn't really have an answerother than like maybe she
started it herself.
Um, he says cigarette orsomething.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
He does, he uses that .
He also says they had gone to abar because they were talking
about you know how could she?
We know that she was beat up,right, we know that she had had
injuries to her and his excusewas that they had gone to a bar.
And she can get mouthy when shedrinks and and she started, you
know, spouting her mouth off toa couple of guys in a bar, so
(23:10):
they started roughing her up alittle bit, which is what?
And then when he says they getback to the apartment, he sees
the bruises on her.
So none of it's really makingany sense.
Um, police aren't, aren'tbuying it and they pressing him
more.
You know, they want to know andand by this time, chris,
(23:31):
they've got the footage.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
I mean, they don't see anyone else entering or
exiting that apartment yeah, andyou have to really wonder too
because clearly he was um onparole for battery he beat
another woman after this murder.
Uh, what was so different aboutthe situation with her that
drove him to that?
You know?
Speaker 1 (23:49):
I mean, like he's beating women, he's never that's
just like what made him crossthat line um, I would say that
tanda hall's friends describeher as someone who would not
have put up with that I thinkshe was angry, I think she
fought back and I think thatmakes people angrier when they
want the upper hand, very sureand we don't know what was said.
(24:10):
In that apartment the only twopeople left were were both of
them?
Um, you know it.
Looking back in hindsight, youknow, maybe the friends could
have thought but you're, youdon't think someone's going to
do that and I think that's.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I guess I'm just kind of wondering too like, because
even just you know that's angeryeah pushed him over that
boundary yeah, anger.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
And then, not only that, you have a woman who you
barely even know and you've goneinto her apartment and she's
found out, like what you'rereally about, and has asked you
to leave, and you and you hither because she wants you to go,
because you have no otheroptions, and but thankfully he
did not cross the line with her.
(24:53):
But who knows, I mean, maybe hehad hit her so hard that he
thought he killed her.
I mean, we, we really don'tyeah all right, so let's talk
about or you know, like too.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Did he just go too far, you know, like, with
beating her, you know, and beather to death, and then realize
he had gone too far at thatpoint, like that, wasn't it?
I mean, was that his intentionto murder her, or did just, you
know, did the beating go pastbeyond that point?
Speaker 1 (25:19):
and then well, and I also think when you're beating
someone, you never know whenit's going to kill them.
Right like it can come to apoint where you can hit someone
once and kill them well, in theright way.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Right and, as we know , she had smoke in her lungs, so
she did was not dead when thefire was started not, and that's
the you know that's hard tothink about.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
You know the fact that she had all these injuries,
that she had suffered multiplelacerations to her, hadn't been
beaten so badly, but she wasstill alive when the fire was
started.
Now he says that the newgirlfriend who makes this phone
call into the police that she'slying.
That actually what happened.
Disgruntled yeah, that shebasically wakes him up in the
(25:59):
middle of the night and shewants him to hold her and he
tells her to go back to sleepand then she gets like mad and
pulls the covers off of him.
So he grabs her arm, tells herto calm down.
He says she starts going nutsand that she probably just
called police to get even withhim.
Okay, that doesn't explain her17 stitches.
(26:21):
But okay, all right, detectiveshave had enough of this.
Um, at the end of thisinterview, they book him on a
first degree murder and arsoncharges.
Um, so he is charged with tandahalls murder.
Um, this case will actually goto trial, but because of COVID,
it was delayed quite a bit.
(26:42):
It wasn't until September of2023 that he finally stands
trial for the murder ofTeandahol.
So his argument was that.
So his argument was thatprosecutors basically say that
(27:02):
when the two people left theapartment, tensions were high
and at some point he lashes outat her, he hits her, she goes
down and in this rage, hebasically doesn't stop.
He just continues to hit her,to hit her, to hit her but yeah,
I mean prosecutors to hit her.
Um, but yeah, I mean,prosecutors have to come in with
something right.
So you know that's what they'resaying is he's doing to her and
(27:26):
his defense team is basicallysaying that you know there was
there may have been a fight oran argument, but really it was
her lit cigarette that startedthis fire and that there was
other.
You know that that, that theydid get into the argument, but
then he maintains that he didn'tkill her.
(27:48):
But then they know, like he wasthe last one to leave.
It's just not going well forhim.
I mean, it's the prosecution hasa really good case here they
saw like wine and wine glassesfor him.
I mean, it's the prosecutionhas a really good case here.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
They saw like wine and wine glasses.
I'm sure they probably tried toplay the angle that you know
she was drunk and the cigaretteyou know, cigarette slipped out
of her hand and ignited the fire.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Well, and the defense has to do something right.
They're there to defend theirclient, so they have to come up
with some stories they did findthe stove on right.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
With the gas turned on Like no pilot light.
But the gas was turned on, yeah, which this fire could have
been 10 times worse, 10 timesworse.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
And blown up the place not just had a fire either
.
So the verdict comes down.
So he's found guilty.
Of course he's found guilty.
The judge sentenced him to lifein prison for the murder, plus
a consecutive 50-year sentencefor the arson charge.
So this guy is a real piece ofwork.
(28:43):
I was looking at his reporthistory because this case is
closed.
He is in prison of things hewas doing to women and the abuse
and the allegation and what wason his record and the fact that
he was, you know, denied byfamily because of his abuse of
women and the fact that you knowhe's going to be a 38-year-old
(29:08):
woman who's been just trying tohelp him and be a friend to him.
He's going to just murder herbecause he knows he did
something wrong, which wasprobably steal her money, and
this is how this argumentstarted.
So you know, thankfully, chris,he's behind bars and exactly
where he should be and willhopefully never see the light of
(29:30):
day again.
Thank you, bye.
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