The Shaughnessy Scandal: A Tale of Betrayal

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
so great to be here.
I've got a few people in thestudio with me, as usual, Chris.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I am here.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
You are definitely here and we have a guest.
Well, this is more of just acollaboration effort, but she
came to our humble domain anddecided to record with us.
Terry, hi, I am here.
You are here.
Tell everybody who you are,what you do and why you're here.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I am Terry True Crime and I do a lot of things, but I
won't share all of that,because that might be TMI, but I
am a co-host of True Crime andWine Time.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Yes, we've enjoying some wine which we just shared
with you and what we're sippingtonight, but tonight's case is
about an Austin case.
It is An Austin case.
Ted Shaughnessy is who we'retalking about.
He is our victim, yes.
And then Corey Shaughnessy, whowas the wife of Ted, who

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survived this attack yes.
And then we have the culprit,who we now know was involved in
this crime, and that is theiradoptive son, nick, and their
daughter-in-law secretdaughter-in-law because they
didn't know that these twoactually got married.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Secret daughter-in-law Secret.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
What did I say?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Secret daughter-in-law Is that what I
said?
Does that sound fun andinteresting?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Well, it was a secret initially it was, it was and.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
It was, it was, and that is Jackie Edison.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Yes, so you wanted to do this case.
I had never heard of this case.
I had never heard of it either.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
And there's a lot to this.
There is, and living in Austin,it's been a big deal and I am
shocked it hasn't gone allthroughout Texas, because it's
crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, it's a very interesting case and I think
that when we talk about one ofthe victims, which is the mother
who survived this attack, sheactually had not been shot,
nothing happened to her, but shewas shot at and ended up in a
closet call 911.
And then it progresses fromthere.
But you have someone ofinfluence in Austin.

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Her and her husband, ted, owneda jewelry store, a popular one.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
He said it's quite large, correct?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
It was.
It was very popular In fact.
It was a place that they wouldfind the type of diamond, the
clarity, the cut.
They would do custom things foryou.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
His dad was like a jewelry maker, or he just owned
the actual jewelry.
He owned the jewelry store.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
They had a jewelry maker from my understanding, but
they also gave back to thecommunity, so they were very
involved with the community inAustin.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Yeah, in fact, when they met in LA in the sixties
they had talked about I'm sorryhe was from LA.
The couple met when they werein an arcade in Arizona.
They marry in the nineties andthey wanted to open a jewelry
store.
Yes, they had picked out a name, it was going to be called the
gallery and then they decided to.

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When they when they were goingto do this, they also decided
they were going to adopt a son.
Yes, and they did so.
They adopt Nick from a Russianorphanage.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
So what did you?
What did you find out aboutNick and their feelings Adopting
from Russia?
Like what was that researchlike?

Speaker 3 (03:37):
So the first thing I found interesting is Nick was 18
months old and he was adopted,which is a little older than
most newborns who go into anorphanage.
They usually get adopted prettyquick, so I found that
interesting.
And they say that when they methim they knew.

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Corey said it was almost likean instant bonding and they just
knew.
She also says that animalcrackers were involved.
Okay, and I am just gonna saywhat 18 month old isn't gonna
love the person who's gettingthem?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
yeah, I was.
I mean I like animal crackers Ilike them too.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Yeah, no doubt but the thing that was interesting
about orphanages in russia backin the day that is different
from what I know aboutorphanages in Russia back in the
day.
That is different from what Iknow about orphanages in the US.
They did not believe in lettingthe infant get attached or bond
with humans.
So they intentionally didn'thold them love on them because

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they wanted them to bond withtheir adoptive parents.
So if you think about that, hewas 18 months old before he had
true human love and contact.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Get to one of the psychology behind that, though,
because what if they don't everget adopted, or just get adopted
much later and later, and asthat progresses?
You know, down the road, theramifications of that, not
having that bonding Probably alot of.
I mean those are that bonding?

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Um, probably a lot of .
I mean.
Those are like.
I mean there has to be reallyformative years.
I know there has to be some,some reason, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
We'll have to look.
I mean, I think there's areason.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
A baby comes out crying Right, and then you start
to wonder do babies cry morewhen they're not coddled?
And were they constantlydealing with crying children and
all they wanted was to be heldlike, but if they just kind of
interesting?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
if they wrapped them and swaddled them tight and then
just left them.
They felt like they were beingheld.
So that is very interesting, isjust very interesting.
Yeah, and what does it?

Speaker 1 (05:42):
do to the I mean you as a developmental person from a
baby and they say oh well,maybe these things don't affect
you because you were too young,you don't remember them.
I don't, really, I don'tbelieve that.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
I don't either.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
That human contact is something children have to have
and need and what it does tothem psychologically.
I mean we hear about thisdifferent things with abuse or
not being treated and neglect,and what it can do at a very
young age and how it can go intotheir teen and adult years and
some of the decisions they makebecause of those things that you
may not have known, even reallyaffected you but did.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Well, and I've read stories about kids who don't
like to be hugged or touched.
It's because they grew up in ahome where they weren't hugged
or touched.
Yeah, it's uncomfortable forthem.
Yeah, so you're 18 months oldand you've not.
I mean, it makes my heart hurt.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
But I'm going to just say it's not an excuse for him,
but he did get adopted.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
He did get adopted into a loving family, a very
loving family, and they took him, went to Austin, started living
their life, opened theirjewelry store.
What did you know?
I mean, I found that thiscouple in my research.
People liked them.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
They did.
They were very well liked.
Everyone loved that.
It was said that Ted would seesomebody outside who looked like
they were having a hard time.
He would say hey, do you needfood?
Do you need money?
Can I help you with?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
anything.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
So they were very well liked and they were very
active.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
And he would go to different businesses around his
own business and say hi, likehe's just kind of an engaging
neighbor and engaging businessowner with other business owners
.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
So he was and they said Nick loved to go with him
and interact with him and wouldtalk to people.
So Nick was kind of inquisitiveabout that as well.
With people.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, okay.
So he's growing up, he's goingto school.
People thought I mean peoplelike this kid.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
They did.
I mean, and if you look at thepictures of him he looks like-.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
An all-American boy, an all-American kid, that's
right, all-american kid.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Now his friends did say he became fascinated with
money yes, early on, financesearly on and that he wanted to
get rich.
And that was something hewanted, which I found
interesting, because he neverhad to want for anything.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, Maybe just the influence of his father was a
successful businessman and, um,you know things you can do with
money.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Well, and I think he probably understood math, I
think he probably understoodfinance, I think he probably
even felt like he understood itabove levels of anyone that he
was engaging with as a teenagerI mean typically, when you see
people who because, by the way,he wanted to be a day trader,
right, that's what he wanted,and he knew that, being as a
teenager, and I think that'sbecause he knew he was good at

(08:41):
it, or at least he thought hewas good at it.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I was going to say, yeah, thought he was good at it,
or at least he thought he wasgood at it.
I was going to say I think hethought he was good at it.
But what I found interesting ishe planned to get rich day
trading all while sitting athome in his bathroom.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah.
The drive to do, which isreally interesting.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
A lot of people's dream right.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Well, hey, you know what that's a business?
I mean, people do it as abusiness and a livelihood, and
if you're a good trader and youknow how to make money trading,
by all means.
But again it's like did hereally understand it?
I would really like to knowwhat his influence was with this
.
Was his father into trading asa business owner?

(09:20):
I could see that I could seehow he would use some of his
assets to grow and and use theand use his business owner.
I could see that I could seehow he would use some of his
assets to grow and and use themand use his knowledge.
As we find out, clearly, hisfather must have been more
successful at that than right,but that's what I'm saying, like
, what was his influence, hisdad, as a business owner?
But could?

Speaker 2 (09:36):
have been the clientele, though, as well, too.
True, these it's.
It is like gambling so youcould have a lot of high rollers
going in this store.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
That's very true.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
I said it's a very well, I won't say exclusive
jewelry store, but well-knownpopular.
So you probably saw people likethat going in there.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
And people with money came in there.
So that's what I wondered,because you would think he would
see his mom and dad, who wereat the jewelry store all the
time and they worked hard.
They put blood, sweat and tearsinto it.
Yes, they did.
It's interesting he didn't pickup on that piece of the work
ethic.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
That's what I mean, Like where did he pick?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Well, I get the impression that these are
well-off people.
They probably went to thecountry club there in Austin
growing up and stuff andprobably being surrounded.
I mean, the neighborhood theylived in, I assume, was somewhat
more affluent and so, yeah, alot of those seeing that around
you and there probably was a lotof people that were day traders
.
But those people might have hadmoney in the bank too.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
And so can risk those ebbs and flows of the market
Right Well but I also wonder,because his dad liked to race
cars, that's right.
And Nick kind of got in thatRacing cars is somewhat like
gambling, oh my gosh.
And it's not a cheap sport,that's a rich boy sport, it's
not a cheap sport.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
So I kind of wonder if it's like owning a plane, you
know it's a personal plane.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Chris's dad owned a plane.
We could have a whole podcastabout Chris's adventures, Right
on the plane.
Or not on the plane.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Some good plane stories.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
There comes that TMI stuff yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Okay, and that's why I don't own a plane to this day.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Oh yes, in 2016,.
He meets a girl.
He's starting to.
You know, this is what happens.
You're teenagers, you start tothink girls are cute.
And you know, I also was tryingto find in some research.
You know, did he ever havecrushes on girls?
Was he known for that?

(11:29):
Was this his first?

Speaker 3 (11:31):
girlfriend.
I couldn't find any of thateither.
Nowhere did it say he was likea player.
Did he have a bunch of girlsthat he crushed on?
I couldn't find anything thatanybody talked about that which
led me to think she was thatfirst, because I think I know
with my boys that first girl.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
He was sitting at home in his robe.
It's hard to meet girls whenyou're sitting at home in your
robe.
Day trading.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Well, yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Just meet girls online.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
She ended up being the one who got to see him in
his robe while he was daytrading Because they end up
moving.
Well, first of all, when theymeet, she moves in with the
parents.
She's not from Austin, she wasactually from Jersey.
Parents divorce Father moves toAustin.
She goes with dad but thenstarts to say, hey, life at

(12:18):
dad's is not what I want or whatI expected.
Correct.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
So he's, you know they started dating hanging out
and Corey and Ted were like ohyou know you've got a rough life
, things You're always hangingout here, why don't you just
move in.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, so they were open to that and inviting to it,
and so she does.
So they are all four livingunder the same roof.
But then these kids get older,they finish high school, go to
college.
They're going off to collegeand they go to College Station
A&M area, bryan, texas together.
But what the parents don't knowis that these two secretly get

(13:00):
married, correct?

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, and he moved away to you say he was going to
college.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
She was, she was, he was the day trader.
Correct, yeah, and he movedaway to you say he was going to
college last year.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
She was, he was the day trader, but I mean out of
high school.
Somebody would have had toaffront him some money.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Oh, no doubt about it , he never worked right.
He borrowed money from hismother.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
He actually borrowed Initially.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
We end up finding out he borrowed money from more
people and Jackie had studentloans yes.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
But like initially I guess they said they were okay
with him just moving away.
Oh, go be on, son, Be a daytrader.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that he probably had gave
them no other reason to think hewouldn't be successful at it,
and I think, as supportive,parents.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Was he going under the guise of actually going to
college and day trading, likeinitially how it started?
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
She was going to college.
It almost sounds to me like theparents were like.
He wants to try this for a yearor so.
Call it a gap year, call itwhatever.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Let him try it.
I mean, you have to have alittle bit of confidence in that
ability.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
And if your kid never ?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
gives you any reason, yeah, to think they're gonna do
something wrong.
I could see, yeah, I mean, givehim a shot.
I mean if he's never reallybeen a bad kid and people like
him and he's you know, I mean ifyou want to support that and
you have the funds and money tosupport that.
I mean, who says he wouldn'thave been successful at it?
And I think she would.
They were just giving him ashot.
I mean, college isn't foreveryone out of the gate.
Maybe they were pretty liberalon that stance.

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So they thought, okay, our kidcan be successful.
The dad was successful runninga business.
And maybe in the back of theirmind too, they thought, well, he
at least would have the jewelrybusiness right, like, we can
bring him back into the familybusiness.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
So there could have been a lot of thought process to
that he would have to exhibitsome sort of you know savvy yeah
right To be able to, you know,pull it off they were supporting
her because she wanted tobecome a mechanical engineer Yep
.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
She got into A&M Yep, so of course they had already
lived together.
Don't tell the parents and Idon't understand.
I tried to research and findwhy they kept it a secret.

(15:15):
Was it because they thought theparents would think they were
too young?
I couldn't find anything.
I couldn't find anything.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
It's hard to just in this day and age, for two kids
to do that too, with no realreason.
I mean, you'd see a lot ofpeople at that age might get
married because of a pregnancyor something like that.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Which kind of makes me think like this is their
first real relationship.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
I feel like these two kind of dove in.
What's the advantage for bothof them to be married?
Maybe for her because ofmonetarily but, for him trying
to lock that down at 19,.
That's.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I think she as a female.
I mean, if her home was thattumultuous if she was going
through that.
She saw him as somebody stable,knew he came from a good family
.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Were his parents paying for her college, or did
her parents actually?
I mean, just going to a and m,that's an expensive school she
had loans.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, I read loans, yeah but she got in, I mean, you
know.
So she was smart, yeah, she wassmart, and mechanical
engineering is not an easysubject to study.
So mean, I think they sawsomething in her.
But then that goes to myquestion what else did they see
in her and what and did?

(16:30):
Is there something we may notknow that happens under roofs?
That said, maybe they weren'tvery accepting of this
relationship.
But then I think to myself,maybe they were just trying to
support their son, but in thebackground maybe they weren't
feeling as confident andpositive in these two.
Who knows?

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Well, and you think about it, you know, as parents,
if I tell my son I don't reallylike her, is it going to push
him faster to go marry her?
Do this so you'd be moresupportive.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Or was it just simply them living this exciting
elopement Right and the ideathat this is our thing, nobody
has to know Like?
I think there's some people whofeel that way and I respect
that.
I know people who've eloped Now.
People knew they were elopingbut see, in this situation they
don't.
So I think you have a littlebit of uncertainty behind this

(17:25):
marriage.
A friend of theirs marries them, right?
Yes, a friend of theirs.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
So it wasn't a total secret.
Yeah, just one person.
Secret from the parents, whichwas interesting.
And as somebody who eloped.
Normally you elope for a reason, but I could not find their
reason.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Yes, you're very true about that.
She wasn't pregnant?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
No, and I can't help but wonder did she do it for
financial security to lock himdown?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Or who was the driver behind the wedding?

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Could have been both of them, I mean, and it could
have been, I guess their friendwent and got that little online,
minister he did.
Yeah, I can't think of what itis.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
We've had a lot of friends married that way.
Yeah, it's become a thing, anabsolute thing, like I mean.
Then when you go to a weddingyou're like wait, who's marrying
you and you know sometimes itis a surprise who's officiating.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I'm all for it.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
I think it's great.
I mean, it's like whoa, I'veknown him for 40 years and he's
marrying us.
Like I think that's pretty cool, so All right.
So let's talk about the actualcrime.
March 2nd 2018.
This is at 430 in the morning.
They, ted and Corey, aresleeping.
It's in the middle of the nightand they hear a noise.

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The dogs start barking.
Their alarm, their alarm goesoff.
The dogs yeah, exactly, that'sexactly, butter.
Thank you, butter, for beingour alarm system.
Um, but they hear something.
It startles them enough for tedto grab his weapon, yes, and
then he makes his way out of thebedroom.
Cory, his wife hears gunshots.

(19:01):
Yes, she, she grabs her weapon,exits the bedroom.
Does she see anyone?
At first, we know it's dark inthe house it's dark.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
She said she never sees their faces.
She does say because she heardthe gunshots, she came out.
She did see figures and that'swhy she fired her gun.
So she did fire at them.
Yeah, she fires at them andthey did fire at them yeah she
fires, and they fired back ather.
They sure did.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
But they didn't hit her and she didn't hear them
either.
So, yeah, she runs back in theroom.
Yeah, she goes to the closet,goes to the closet, calls 911.
And this is transcripted at446am.
And she says, quote, I'm in thecloset, there were shots fired,
am.
And she says, quote, I'm in thecloset, there were shots fired,

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help me, um.
And that's when she says Ididn't see the shooter's faces,
um, but they go to the wronghouse, but there's no.
So she did, so I was.
We were talking about thisearlier.
We've seen this in cases eitherthe caller gives the wrong
address to deviate and give timebecause of something they've
just done.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Also, too, she called from a cell phone, I presume
correct.
She did, I actually know, theaddress is not tied to that cell
phone, correct?
If you call 911.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
No, they just get the GPS closest to where you are.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
So I mean, she could have given, I mean.
It could have just been nextdoor.
I mean, I've looked at GPS andseen the people across the
streets address right Like it isright next to each other, so
they go to the wrong address, sothere's a delay.
Yeah, like versus an actualhome phone that has a physical
address.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah, I know, physical address tied to it
though, exactly, yeah, with alittle dial you spin rotary.
But yeah, I mean they can trackthat specifically to the house.
That is the biggest caveat withcalling from a cell phone.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
It is, but the police did get there in 15 minutes.
They did.
I know that sounds like a longtime, but guys it takes a lot
longer than that sometimes whenthey actually know the address
in Austin.
No.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I believe it.
We're fortunate, where we live,cops are here in three minutes
if you were to call 911.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Because I mean the station's right there.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, For us it's not .

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
I mean, that's why we have a security system and
they're there within fiveminutes, that's what I mean.
Because it'll take the cops 20minutes, 25 minutes, to get
through the gate to me.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
And Glocks and Rottweilers and all yeah those
things.
Um, okay, so when dispatchersarrive, corey gets out of the
closet.
She's talking to them.
Um, they find ted at the botnear in the kitchen or near the
kitchen, um bullet holes in thekitchen fixtures.
I mean it looks like a barrageof gunfire has gone off in this
home.
Um, one of the rottweilers theyhad two of them.
One of them was deceased.
We know that they, the dog wasshot.

(21:49):
We had talked amongst ourselvesand said why not the second dog
?
And I thought maybe it gotstartled and ran the other
direction, I would assume.
I mean, typically you shoot adog that's coming at you, right?
So that's my thought is one wascoming.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
Then the shot went off and the other one, I would
say you'd have to get rid ofthat second dog eventually I
know you would think right thatdog runs away, then like well
I'm gonna say if you came intomy house they would go for bow
first, because bow would come athim the minute a gun fired bear
would be out the back dog doorand he would be hiding somewhere
you would not find him.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I mean, Butter doesn't even like the vacuum
cleaner.
If you came to arm with theJimmy Johns in our house.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Butter would be your best friend and show you where
all the good stuff was.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
If they came with food yeah, I'll show you around
Bear would come back.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
I'll show you where the booties kept, sir or ma'am,
whoever's robbing you?

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, but what's interesting, Ted never got any
gunshots off.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
And do you think it's just because he didn't see
anyone?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
They just probably got the drop on him.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
I think, because we learned that there was more than
one person.
That's right Two different guns.
I think they got the drop onhim yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Well, unfortunately, he tried to go downstairs and
see what that noise was andprotect his family, but in the
meantime he was shot.
What we know now is twointruders.
There were two different gunsused in this crime.
Again, Corey, his wife was nothit and they wanted to know.
You know what happened, Tell uswhat happened and, of course,

(23:22):
she's going to call her son, whois in college station, and
tells him about about what'shappened oh, absolutely, I mean,
I would do the same thing, Iknow and yeah, like where you
know, can you come, can you comeI?
need you yeah, your dad has justbeen killed and him and jackie

(23:43):
leave the apartment.
Or were they living in anapartment or a house?
They were living in anapartment.
They were in an apartmentbecause I was thinking of their
assets when we get to the end ofthis.
I had thought about did theygive them a house or gift them a
house, okay, so I was a littlecurious of that, what those
assets look like as a youngcouple.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
They were living in an apartment.
So I mean, she did call themand I do think it's important to
know they had an alarm system.
Yes, they did, but they didn'tset it when they were home.
They only set it when they wereaway from the home, and I know
a lot of people who do that.
We used to be guilty of that.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Is it because people just don't want that?
I would assume it's becausethey just don't want the alarm
to accidentally go off whenthey're at the house.
I mean, what is?

Speaker 3 (24:31):
With the door open or if your dog set it off, or, in
my case, my husband's.
Like you sleepwalk occasionallyand you open the door and you
freak me out Cause I thinksomeone just broke in cause.
The alarm goes off.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yeah, you freak me out because I think someone just
broke in because the alarm goesoff.
Yeah, yeah, I was going to saythere was quite a few times when
we had ours, our old one that Iwould open.
The new one now works muchbetter, but our old one, would
you know, it didn't really have.
You, couldn't really set zonesand things.
I would frequently open thesliding glass door and set off
on a Saturday morning when.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I'd forgotten.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
But the dog out or something like that, and then
have to do the phone call ofshame as they're calling you.
I'm sorry, you set off.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
They have gotten much better.
Yeah, they have gotten a lotbetter.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
All right, detectives didn't find any forced entry
into the house.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
All the doors and windows were locked except for
one, and that was in Nick'sbedroom, who no longer lived
there, but his parents kept hisbedroom intact.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yes, they did, and the screen had been removed from
the window and was propped upon the side of the house, so
they pulled it out and just setit.
Right set it down.
Like you said, they normallydid not put the alarm system on,
but it is found out later thatNick had the phone app for the

(25:46):
systems and he had actuallyaccessed the system several
times from his apartment inCollege Station around the time
that this happened.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
And all of the checking the system was before
his mom called him, so he waschecking it beforehand for some
reason, maybe just being a goodson, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Just waking up and thinking you should check that
and I assume they had a you know, probably a quite robust
security system as well.
You know, given their affluenceand just the nature of work
lots of cameras and things likethat.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Well, and they also only allowed it to one other
person besides them as thecouple with the system, and
that's their son.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
I mean that's another piece of this right.
Well, that's the only otherperson you would give access to.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Well, you know, I don't know.
There's some people who trustother people with some
information, like that aneighbor, I mean.
You never know who will handthat out, for whatever reason it
who?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
will hand that out, for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I'm not that trusting .
I have some friends that arethat trusting and I have access
to it, but I mean I trust mysons but they do not have access
to our security system.
I mean, my older one lives inLA.
Why does he need to know what'sgoing on in my house?
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
So I mean, but I think this helped in this
investigation because theydidn't have to look very far
when they were looking at theserecords.
So, despite the alarm systemnot being activated, the system
did record that the bedroomwindow opened at 427 am.
The system also recorded glassbreaking in the kitchen at 444
am, which was the windows now weknow being the parade barrage

(27:24):
of gunfire going off, and thisshowed that the shooters were in
the house 17 minutes prior toTed actually being shot.
Yes, and this actually goesalong with what the nine one one
call was like with Corey, andshe made that call at four 46.
So timing is everything.
It is timestamps or everything,especially in this case.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
And I wonder, because most alarm systems, if they're
off, do not record glassbreaking, so it tells you they
had a very robust securitysystem.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
I mean to know glass broke.
I was.
I mean, I was a little bit, Iwas just turned off.
It does not, it's off.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
It's off.
Yeah, that's the whole reason.
You turn it off, right, yeah,so interesting.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
All right, so security videos also detected
were also deleted.
Okay, so some videos right weredeleted and I assume I'm going
to let you take this one.
I think that's why he was onthe app.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Oh, and I assume I'm going to let you take this one.
I think that's why he was onthe app.
Oh, because he could go in anddelete the video.
So when I saw that, I went onto our app and I looked Okay, I
can go in and delete the videosas they happen.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, you would think it would have been wiser to
maybe disable the camera orsomething, just overall.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I mean it still would show something, but I think
that's less of a footprint youwould leave to cover tracks.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I don't know, he just did not think about this at all
.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
He didn't, and that makes me wonder, like at all.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Potentially why the day trading didn't ever pan out,
but that's a whole other talkshow, that's true.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Another talk show.
There's your sign right there.
Um, ted is pronounced deadchris.
At 5 14 am, the travis countymedical examiner said he died
from multiple gunshot wounds,including one to the head.
Um, now he drives down.
He's with his parents at thispoint.
Now we were talking, terry,about him going and looking at

(29:25):
his window on where his bedroomis right, the one where the
screen was removed.
Now I was reading that somebelieved that he was trying to
listen in and see whatinvestigators were saying inside
and what they thought.
What are your thoughts on that?
And, by the way, police notethis.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
They see him kind of like scouring around the area
where the, where they believethat people had gained access to
the home and he points it outbefore anybody says anything to
him, so great he's like, oh,they must have gone in through
my room, kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, I guess there was some suspicion, like you
said, that he had maybeoverheard chatter of how the
suspects gained entrance to thehome.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
Now the thing that was also interesting, that
police noted.
They said he was a littleemotional at first, which is
good, and he asked did he suffer?

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, yeah, that's an odd statement.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
I found that odd, because he was shot.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (30:29):
At this point though, yeah, he knows.
So I was thinking, okay, maybehe doesn't know, but he does
know.
The mother has already made thephone call, he's already on the
scene, he already knows whathas happened to his dad, because
he gets there at like 8 andthey pronounce him dad at like 5
something.
Yeah, but he knows I'm sure hismother's, like your father's,
been shot right there.
He knows there's gunfire.

(30:49):
Um, it's a very interestingquestion to ask that's not the
first question.
No, I would have asked yeah, andand knowing that you've talked
to your mother already aboutthis and investigators aren't
even gonna know that, reallyright, like, what are they gonna

(31:10):
?
How are they gonna know aboutit's gunshots?
Of course he suffered like.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
It is a very strange, strange question I mean, if you
were gonna ask that question, Iwould have thought you would
ask the paramedics that's whatI'm saying, like why in that?

Speaker 1 (31:24):
why ask the police that question?
It makes no sense.
They're not going to be able togive information on that
Because they're not going toknow.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Because, I mean, he was shot multiple times.
Yes, he was, you know, so maybehe didn't die with the first
shot.
So I that's just not thequestion that would come to my
mind.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Well and it's not a emphatic question it doesn't
offer any sort of I don't know.
I mean, maybe some people wouldsay like, oh, I didn't want
them to suffer, so I hope theydidn't, but that again seems
like at a later time, not whenthey're immediately on the scene

(32:03):
, like looking into this.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Right, I would have been more wanting to console my
mom.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Yeah, exactly that's what I mean.
I it is is he's kind of moreconcerned with this window and
being in this area than he isreally being by his mom.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
The demeanor is very telling.
I would think of this thisinstance.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Well, and then the more interesting thing, the
detectives say then keptwandering away from the police
because press had arrived.
Yes, they liked talking to thepress.
A little bit, jackie likedtalking to the press, which to
me is another tell, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, that is a little odd, because that, to me,
is drawing.
You know, once again not thesmartest.
You know these aren't thesmartest of criminals, and so
you know to draw attention.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Well, and they start lying very quickly, Like the son
admits, like he tells them hehad a great relationship with
his parents and he loved his dad, and you know and they also
tell him that they weren't, thatthey didn't reveal they were
married.
Well, that's right.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
But he also tells them that he hadn't been in his
parents house at all and I thinkin like over a month.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
And they end up once they start pulling his records,
they realize it's a host of hostof lies.
A host of lies, right.
So he's.
They don't know, they'remarried.
Now he's telling police hehasn't been in to see his
parents in over a month.
But then they find out fromphone records he actually was in
the area.
Um, not just in the area, buthe was in the area two day.
What do we always say?
What was going on 24 to 48hours before we have a victim?

(33:33):
Well, he's just there two daysprior to the shooting.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Terry right and the fact that people think there's
not traces of that nowadays.
I know it amazes me.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Yeah, never carry your cell phone if you're going
to commit a crime.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
He didn't think of any of the digital footprint in
any of this.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
Go get you a burner.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, We've covered cases with burners and let me
tell you they're unsolved cases,Exactly.
They're unsolved, and burnerphones were used and you can't
find them.
I mean, it makes it verydifficult.
We're not offering any advice,by the way.
All right, so there were nine.40 caliber handgun casings.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I think I accidentally just did, you just
did.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
That's okay.
You've done it a few times atour live show too.
Were found near Ted's body.
During the search of the housethey also find an empty box of
.40 caliber in the dresserdrawer in the bedroom next to
the window.
Corey informed them that thebedroom belonged to Nick.
They also find three 80 calibercasings.
So we've already said this wehave two guns here.

(34:31):
We now have two killers here.
Police identify that pretty,pretty quickly.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Well, yeah, go for it .

Speaker 2 (34:38):
As I say, there was four guns if we count Ted and
Corey there we go, yep, but noneof those casings were from
cory's and we know ted didn'tget any shots off, yeah yeah,
yeah, and, and cory had a arevolver too, so all her casings
were there present largecaliber revolver as well.
Yeah, hey, way to go cory wayto go.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Cory, yeah, when you need it it's there.
So, um, all right.
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(37:35):
care about, people who haveraised them, they have
relationship with, that theycould be responsible for
anything like this CorrectMother lets Nick and Jackie move
in with her after Ted dies.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Correct, which makes sense, total sense.
Because, mom, I mean I wouldn'twant to stay in the house alone
where this just happened andyou were shot at Right.
You were shot at what if theycome back?
Yep Plus, you saw your husbanddeceased on the floor and she
found out they were marriedduring this time, so she

(38:12):
couldn't just say, oh whydoesn't my son come here?
He can day trade, she can stayin college, they both move in
with her.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yes, they do, and I agree with you.
I think, from like a woman'sperspective of if I have, you
want that comfort there, youdon't want to be alone.
She's not even sure if she wasa target, she's she shot at, so
she can only assume that theywere after both of them.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
So so I understand her thought, I mean and they all
had gone to the police station.
Yes, they did.
I mean, Nick and Jackie were inCollege Station.
Yes, you know it took them timeto get there.
So why would you think?

Speaker 1 (38:55):
that they were involved at all.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
You want them to be there to comfort you, and they
gave video interviews.
They turned over their phonesand stuff to police.
So I am totally understandingthat she didn't think that they
could possibly be involved,because in the beginning why
would she?
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Well, they're cooperating.
They're cooperating, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Well, they are living together, they're all living
together.
And the jewelry store that theyhad opened, he's going to start
running this.
Yeah, that's the plan.
So Ted is now gone, corey isgoing to have her son run this
jewelry store and he startsgoing and talking to other
businesses right around theirdesk where his dad used to go in

(39:40):
and have those conversations,and he says, hey, I'm here now,
I'm going to be running thebusiness, and he seems very
excited about it.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
He did, and I mean they even posted on their
Facebook page announcing that hewas gonna be taken over and
there were so many commentspeople saying, oh, that's great.
I remember Nick being therewhen he was young and stuff.
So everybody was excited thatthey were gonna, that Nick was
gonna step in and stuff.
So everybody was excited thatthey were going to that Nick was
going to step in and continue.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Well, and that also goes to show you how the
community viewed them Like hewasn't the bad kid who wasn't
following in his father'sfootsteps and wasn't going to
turn out like his dad.
He was very much involved inthe family business very much
involved, and admired his father, or so it seemed Never got in
trouble.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Business very much involved and admired his father,
or so it seemed Never got introuble.
Yeah, never got in troubleBecause even to make that
statement, like you know, thekid had to have some sort of
knowledge about how the businessran.
You don't just grab somebodyand just because they're family,
and say you're going to takeover the business.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Especially a successful business like that.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah right and and nick did go to the other stores
to, you know, tell him, whichshows that he was doing what his
dad had done and what he wastaught.
And he let him know we're goingto have a reopening because
they were trying to putsomething positive out there,
I'm sure yeah after doing thatand let people know, because
that was their sole livelihood.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, well, and on the back end, you still have a
deceased man found on his floorand they're trying to figure out
and solve this crime, becauseright now there's no one
arrested, there's nobody beingheld accountable for this.
So on the back end, theinvestigators are looking into
what has happened.
Well, of course, they'rejewelers.
So the first thing they thinkis we, and even Corey, felt this

(41:30):
way, that they were being, theywere going to be targeted
because they were jewelers andprobably have money and jewelry
on on their person at their home.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Right, I mean, because you think about it, they
probably, if you leave thejewelry store late at night, you
have cash, you don't go to thebank, you take it home and
you're going to drop it off thenext day.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
It made perfect sense , yeah, perfect sense.
And so they look at this.
But what they realize is reallywhat's going on in the house
does not point to robbery.
You don't have.
You know, typically you want tofind, especially if they know
at this point that there were atleast 17 minutes of time spent
in this house before theyencounter Ted.
They're looking for something.
So why aren't you flippinglights on?

(42:18):
Why aren't you?
You know there's no lights on,it's very dark, Remember?
She says she doesn't evenreally see anything.
And they didn't take anything.
And it's like what?
So I think they pretty.
I'm gonna say they probablydidn't spend too much time on
this robbery.
I think that's exactly whatthey thought at first.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
But then, once they start looking at this crime
scene, they quickly realize thatthis is probably not what is
happening well, I mean, I still,I still, like you said, he was
a jeweler he could have, eventhough I mean a person that's
going to get very expensiveitems, you know, and coming to
rob someone for a very specificthing, like I said, such as
diamonds or gold or jewelry Imean, I think that's I still,

(43:00):
and we discussed it earlier, butsomewhat plausible.
I mean the way they gainedaccess to you know, and and the
alarming off.
Obviously, when they see thosethings, they can maybe, maybe
see it's an inside job.
Yeah, but not having the lightson and not things, things not
taken.
I think that would be probablythe same as somebody was going
there and to to rob someone of,like I said, jewels.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
They don't have time.
They want, you know, atraceable stone that's worth a
grand versus a Ming vase, right?
Something like that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
But, like you said about inside job, I think that's
why they, initially, you've gotto look at the people closest.
So you look at Corey.
Yeah, because, because shesurvives, she survives.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Because even in some way too like he could have if he
had known about something likethat you know, robbed his own
family.
I mean, there's a, you know thevery good movie was very
similar plot line that beforethe devil knows, you're dead.
That's the family.
Is the one responsible fortrying to rob his family's

(44:02):
jewelry store.
Sorry, and you know, bad thingshappen.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
And it makes sense, cori's in the house, she
survived, she survived.
She didn't give the address,that's right.
And there was no forced entryinto this house, remember.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yeah, listen, this happens a lot.
We have covered lots of casesthat women survive or man
survives and we find out it wasthey were supposed to both die
right, which is really what wassupposed to happen.
Corey was not supposed tosurvive this, but they also look
into her because she cashes thelife insurance policy.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
She does, and she fired the gun, but she didn't
hit anybody.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
That's right, that's right she did, and they're like
okay, why do you need this money?
Well, I mean, you know myhusband is now gone and I have a
business to support.
I have a home to pay for, Afuneral to pay for.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
You know you did mention the cash that they had
on hand where they could affordthose bills.
I mean I could see where theywas.
I mean I'm like you.
Yes, you need to get that moneythe faster you get that ball
rolling, to try to, oh my gosh,yes.
As long as lengthy as thattakes.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah, but first of all you have to have a death
certificate.
You can't get paid till youhave the death certificate,
which you have to show to theinsurance company.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
They probably did have the cash cover most of
those costs initially.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
However, but it takes some time.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
It's a process no, that's why I mean, that's why I
think there's two ways to lookat it because I mean, I think
that's the most natural instinctto do, and but I can see where
somebody initially might be like, oh, trying to cash in you know
, the before the body's gonecold you know.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
But yeah, if you have a car wreck you need to report
it immediately if your house hasan issue, you report it, it
immediately, that's right.
Someone dies, don't you reportit to insurance?
Oh, I think so too.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
yes To me that makes common sense, total sense, to me
too.
But they do look at this, youknow, I know that.
But there is some.
Sometimes there are bad peoplewho are involved in these things
, who try to cash out veryquickly.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
So, yeah, corey had interviewed with the police
multiple times, but that lasttime she met with him she did
what I tell people take anattorney.
Yes, she did, which you alwaysdo.
That I mean from the beginningyou should.
But she didn't do it until shegot frustrated Because she was
like why are you looking at me?
I'm innocent.
Yeah, but little did she knowthat detectives had information

(46:25):
that they couldn't tell her.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yes, what was that?
Tell us?

Speaker 3 (46:31):
So they discovered that Nick and Jackie were in
huge financial trouble.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, they're not just looking into her, they're
looking at who else would havethe motive to take Ted out,
right, well, and this youngcouple owes some money.
They do, and Nick told.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
On the day his dad was killed, he told the
detectives that he owed hismother $30,000.
Why would you say that rightoff the bat?
I mean think about it If my dadhad just been killed.
I'm not thinking about themoney that I owe my mom.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
Yeah, and we talk about this right.
Why do people offer upstatements when they're not
asked a question about thatstatement and it's typically
leading?
They're either wanting to leadthem in a different direction,
they're trying to lead, detachthemselves somehow, but he just
says this.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
He does.
And then he also tells them oh.
And my mom and I argued, tryingto lead detach themselves
somehow.
But he just says this, he does.
And then he also tells them oh.
And my mom and I argued yeah,About this, because I hadn't
paid her back.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Yeah, so he's offering up information to
police which you know, I don'tknow, I don't know if the
thinking is that he's going tolead them.
How does that lead him awayfrom that, from him, Like that's
what?

Speaker 3 (47:48):
I know and understand about his statements.
My only thought is he's like ohwell, if I just tell him now,
I'm not hiding it get it out ofthe way they'll know, I wasn't
involved.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
I think you're right about that Be just be overly
forthcoming and they won't askyou, which is why you get a
lawyer.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
People like us who look into stuff like this are
like yeah, you don't sayanything, that you're not asked.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of unbelievable sometimes what
people and they want to becloser to the investigation.
Right, and they want to.
So if I hand over my phone nomatter, no matter what is on my
phone if I hand it over and I'mforthcoming about information,
maybe they'll look a differentdirection.
But they don't.

(48:36):
They start honing in on thiscouple Because they also find
out that not only does he owemoney to his mom, but he owes
money to a neighbor, and thatneighbor actually will come
forward and say that they weregoing to tell the parents about

(48:56):
the money that Nick owed them.
And so to me it's like is thisthe only person and neighbor?
We're thinking at least now,right, how many more people do
they owe?
Do they owe and what?
What does that really look like?
So they start looking into thiscouple.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Oh, they do.
And then they find out theyhave $2 each of them in their
bank account.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Yeah, and they like Snapchat this or like take a
screenshot of this and send itas a text message to someone I
don't know.
It's just very strange.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
It did say only you know I'm broke, why I think back
.
I mean, college kids are broke,they're broke, they are broke.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
You're used to being broke, right.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
But Nick put on the airs that he was a successful
day trader.
Yes, so that makes it even moreinteresting to me that she sent
a text saying only you know I'mbroke.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Yeah, yeah, I know, and you know it's because I feel
like when and here's the thingI always say we never know what
happens behind closed doors,what kind of conversations are
had.
You know, I I think from cory'sactions she definitely did not
see her son as a um, as a lowlife, or someone that was not

(50:18):
contributing to society, orsomeone she didn't trust it
because she lets them move in.
So that tells me that thereisn't.
She felt comfortable enough toallow them in the home.
You know.
But then you have to think why,at this age, at 19 years old,
are you thinking so much aboutthis type of money, about being

(50:41):
rich, about not having enough,about knowing you're a
struggling college student, oneof you and the other one who's
trying to make a living doingday trading, and that sometimes
you and it's that adult thing.
I think that kids at 19 don'tquite have right, that you
process the fact that sometimesyou win and sometimes you lose,

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and it's a part of the game, butthey don't, they're not
educated enough.
It seems like they're notprepped enough for
disappointment of life and it'slike, oh, we owe people money
and that's what is important tous, that we're financially
stable, that, oh no, we're goingto be exposed.

(51:23):
We're now going to be exposed,right, we're now going to be
exposed.
And what actions are we willingto take to cover up that
exposure?
And police are onto this andthey think these two conspire
and hire two people to kill themand, what's interesting, they
were more worried about theperception people had about them

(51:44):
.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
Exactly, and that's the part that is so shocking.
But, like you said, they'rejust not old enough to
understand this and they weremore worried about what people
thought instead of real things.
But I also find interestingthat they didn't delete those
text messages before theyoffered their phones up.
They didn't delete anythingmessages before they offered

(52:05):
their phones up, they didn'tdelete anything.
And I'm like really no, I mean,police still could get them,
but they didn't even attempt todelete them, because they found
conversations that said theywere trying to hire a hitman.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
And gosh, just leave that trail, are a hit man.
Yeah, and gosh, just leave thattrail.
How many, how many cases havehave we covered on our shows
that have to do with multiplepeople being asked to commit a
crime and none of them not oneof them picks up a phone, calls
police and says you know what?
I'm being asked to murdersomeone, and you might want to

(52:45):
know about this.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
And I don't.
I mean I get.
People don't want to getinvolved, or maybe they think
I've got something, I've gotskeletons in my closet that's
going to open up a Pandora box.
But we're talking about life ordeath.
Somebody's wanting you to killsomebody.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Well, and the first one we know about is the guy,
spencer, who married them.
Yes, and I mean you have youthink to yourself well, spencer,
maybe he was like a prettylogical guy, I mean maybe, but
he comes forward and says thathe would have received $2
million if he helped kill hisparents.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Yeah, and, and we find out.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
they asked multiple people and that's the offering
different sums of money, likethe fifth.
Some were 50 000, some were inthe million, some were a couple
hundred thousand dollars.
Yeah, they were, just they weredesperate.
They were desperate and theydidn't care how much it cost and
and they just wanted to findand I say they because you know

(53:49):
we'll get into the conspiracyaspect of this but they're going
to come to find out that Jackiewasn't so innocent in some of
these conversations.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
The text messages we find are between Jackie and Nick
.
That's right, and I mean what'sinteresting?
The police were like OK, weknow Corey's not involved.
I personally think they werestill questioning her.
Oh, I think so too, just forinformation, because they
already knew and suspected thatNick and Jackie were involved
and they were just doing theirdue diligence on that.

(54:21):
But yeah, we're going to findout.
Jackie was much more involved.
But going back to talking aboutCorey, she then realized okay,
they're not looking at meanymore.
She didn't know what the policehad, but she began to feel that
they were targeting Nick.
So, she did what any motherwould do.

(54:44):
She hired him an attorneybecause she was confident that
her son was not involved and shethought they were just taking
the easy way.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Yeah, and not wanting to do an investigation and hey,
which sometimes happens, itdoes, and it's easy just to pin
it on someone on the inside,because people want a case like
this solved.
This is a millionaire familywho own business owners in
austin and police want thesekinds of cases solved, that you

(55:13):
want the community to feel asense of safety and knowing that
this person is off the street.
But sometimes it takes justwhen sometimes you get tunnel
vision, you do do and you honein on what seems to make the
most sense, which was her in thebeginning.
But now that they've done,they're thinking you know what,

(55:33):
she's not the one who owes allthese people money, right, and
she's really.
You know who is going to havethe motive and the benefit of
Ted being gone.
And you know it's also becausewe do know that this is exactly
what happens.
They end up hiring two peoplewho end up saying yes to this
crime, but they didn't.

(55:55):
You know it's interesting, terry, because sometimes you hear
about this and you hear that hewanted the business right or he
wanted the family business, sohe was ready.
But that doesn't seem to be thecase.
He wanted the money, he justwanted the family business.
So he was ready.
But that doesn't seem to be thecase.
He wanted the money, he justwanted the money.
He didn't want the hard work,he didn't want what his dad had
built.
It wasn't about any sort oflike living up to expectations.

(56:16):
He wanted the money.
He wanted the money and theimage, and so I found that
pretty interesting.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I mean I do say it's great that Spencer said no, yes,
he did, didn't pick up thephone and call anybody and
prevent the death, but he doeslater work with the police.
Yes, so I'm, like you, redeemedyourself a little bit there.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Yeah, he ends up becoming like an informant for
them.
Right conversations could haveprevented ted's death.
Oh my gosh, I mean think aboutthat.
That's why, if you seesomething, you hear something,
just say something, just call.
It's better to be wrong than tobe right and not make that call
.
Right, just make the call andyou can do it anonymously.
That's right.
You don't have to tell themyour name, you don't have to say

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tell them anything, just tellthem you have a lead.
Especially in cases like this,police don't care, they just
want to know the information.
Let them investigate it, letthem figure it out, but give
them.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
But he should have, I should have all of them should
have, because just think twopeople could have been killed.
If cory would have died too, Iknow these people would have two
deaths on them and I, you know.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
it's a scary thing to think, though, knowing when
Corey looks back on this and shesays wow, my son and his wife
were hiring people to kill usand I allowed them to move in
with me after this was over.
And you, I am, you know, do weknow anything?

(57:46):
Did you find anything in yourresearch about any of the
conversations after Ted's deathbetween Jackie and Nick?
Did you, because I would bethinking, oh wait, we didn't get
the money.
Mom is still alive, and whatare we going to do now?
I wonder if they would not havebeen investigated like they

(58:08):
were, if, eventually, he wouldhave gone through with it and
had his mother killed.

Speaker 3 (58:14):
Well, and that makes me wonder.
I mean yes, he took over thebusiness.
So, he's like that's one stepcloser to the money, but it's
not the life insurance that hewould have gotten if both of
them.
So in my opinion and what I'veseen happen, it was basically
going to just buy time.

(58:35):
They would have eventuallyneeded all of it.
But I mean, Corey protected himand got an attorney and she
didn't believe it until theyfinally showed her evidence.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Yeah, so they look into a couple of people right
now that they know that theythere's murder for hire
happening.
They end up finding a guy byname of johnny leone, the third.
Um, so we actually know becausethere was video surveillance.

(59:10):
So I I was trying to understandthis in my research.
So there he brought them to thehouse right.
Nick showed the layout.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
He did to the hitman.
He wanted to make sure theywere prepared.
Yeah, they knew where to go,how, how to get in, how to
remove, because if you thinkabout screens, normally you pull
the screen from the inside Yep,and set it out, you can't pull
the screen from the outside.
So that means, probably duringthat visit, when he showed him

(59:39):
around, he lifted the screen upand put it where they could pull
it from the outside.
Yeah, yeah, not crazy.
Screen up and put it where theycould pull it from the outside.
Yeah, yeah, isn't that crazy.
The other thing that we'regoing to find about Jackie later
on, but the text messagesbetween Nick and Jackie she was
wanting to know why it wastaking so long.
Yes, how much was it going tocost?

(01:00:01):
We don't have the money upfront.
We need to do this, and I findthat very interesting because of
how it all plays out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah, and they both showed active participation in
this at least from the digitalfootprint of what police were
looking at.
So they end up finding anotherman.
I believe you pronounce hisarian smith that's how I'm gonna
pronounce it um, and thisperson actually was from fort

(01:00:31):
worth, so they end up just andthis is so leon tells detectives
that he asked smith to takepart for five thousand dollars a
month.
So this was going.
He was going to get five5,000for a month, but, like you were
talking about earlier, when doesthat stop?
Is that a?
Is that one time?

(01:00:52):
Is that a perpetual?

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Is that forever?
Is that a lifetime annuity,yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Yeah, you have an annuity to 20 years.
You know it's like none of thisconversation really takes place
or how long, but again they'relike just I think, just trying
to pull any string they can tomake this happen.
Right, I mean they were 19.
Yeah, 19 years old.
So you see the sporadic withthe number and the.

(01:01:18):
It's just it's very amateur,very amateur, like All right.
So during questioning, smithdenied taking part in the murder
, but he soon confessed hisinvolvement and said that he was
the one who had used the 40caliber weapon to shoot and kill
ted.
He also told detectives to givehim the death penalty.
He said I've killed somebody, Ideserve to die.

(01:01:39):
We see this too.
People say I did it kill.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
I think it gets to them yeah, go for it.
I truly think we hear this insome of the cases.
They didn't think it was goingto weigh on them taking
someone's life.
They don't realize that it'sgoing to be there.
So I do find that at least theysay I deserve punishment.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, and it haunts them.
I mean our souls and ourconscious is there for a reason.
It is, and it goes with thegood, but it also goes with the
bad.
So you know, when people saythey live with the things
they've done, that's truly whatit means.
Your body, literally, isaffected by those things.

(01:02:25):
That keeps you up at night, andso guilt is a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
It is a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
And you.
So he's feeling it and it'sthere, and by this time now they
have suspects, and now they'rereally worried about Corey oh
who are they going to?
Is she going to believe themtoo?
Right, like gosh you, you havethis woman who moved them in and
now you know they've hiredHitman.

(01:02:51):
You're concerned about herwell-being because she's still
in the house and, as far as youknow, she was supposed to be a
victim as well, Did they?

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
hire someone else Because they asked multiple
people.
Yeah, did they call the dayafter so that they could fake
another burglary?
Yeah, to have her killed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Finish it out, finish it out, so they quickly,
quickly arrest this couple.
Yes, thankfully, thankfully, sothey end up getting arrested
and Nick's bail is set at $3million, hers is set at $1
million, that's a lot, but it ismurder and it's conspiracy to

(01:03:26):
hire murder.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
so it is, but I I still think they were married.
They were a couple that's rightthey discussed it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
It should be the same yeah, yeah, um, but they aren't
treated.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
The same they, I mean they wind up reducing her bond
to $250,000.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Yes, they did.
And then they end up, actually,she ends up wanting to comply
and work with investigators andtell them you know her side of
what happened, Right Of whathappened.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Well, it's interesting because Corey still
believed Nick was innocent untilshe read the arrest affidavit.
Yeah, that's when she was likeholy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Well, you see it all yeah.
Like it's all you know.
Now you see the investigationon paper.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
And you move them into your house.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
You were sheltering them when this whole time you
have no idea if they wereplotting your demise.
I mean, imagine, and theykilled your husband yeah, and
the fear already she had ofbeing alone after losing him.
And then you move the killersin.
I mean that's what's so crazy.
Or the hired.
You know the brains behind theoperation.

(01:04:45):
You move them in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
How do you not start questioning?
How could I have let thathappen?
How did I not know?
I mean, I would be questioningmyself.
How did I not have any?

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
I'm sure she did I there's a lot of guilt and shame
that go with that too.
There would have to be, youknow.
I mean just like what is myjudgment right and what's wrong
with me, or why didn't I seethis to save him, Right, you
know, type of thing.
But gosh, we could, we just wecan do that to ourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
But I hope Corey I know she ended up probably
leaving Texas and she started anew life for herself- and from
research I found, found a couplearticles she changed her name
Well, and I I can found a couplearticles she changed her name
well, and I for her.
I can't blame her, no, no, Imean I can't she.
I will still say she shows somestrength, even as this goes on,

(01:05:34):
and some compassion.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Oh my gosh, yeah, um now his up, his charges are
actually upgraded, yes, tocapital murder.
Uh, the two hit men were alsocharged with capital murder.
All three were facing the deathpenalty in this case.
Now the da at the time said hewas not interested in plea deals
.
He was going to move forwardand go to trial with these.

(01:05:58):
Um, and because the evidencewas against her was weaker and
as there was like no directcontact between herself and the
actual killers, that was sort ofnick's thing.
Jackie was charged withconspiracy to commit capital
murder which carried a lifesentence.
Yes, but we know that changes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Welcome to a new district attorney.
Yes, yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Yeah, so new DA comes on board and in April 2021,
johnny Leon and Arion Smith wereeach sentenced to 35 years with
the possibility of parole afterthey pled guilty to murder.
Dropping the charges down fromcapital murder, I mean, I feel
like these are significantchanges.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Those are significant changes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
I mean we're not done yet.
Corey wrote to Nick encouraginghim to accept the deal, Same
deal, and at this point she'sstill interacting with him and
she wants him to have a chanceat life.
That's the only thing I canthink as a mother.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
I mean it was because he would be eligible for parole
when he's around 36.
I mean I was just so young I amcrazy to think about that she
had to just be hoping that hewould rehabilitate, rehabilitate
, come out and make amends andbe a better person.
I don't know that one.
Like I said, as a mom, I don'tknow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
It's a it's tough.
Yeah, you know, I think there'sprobably a lot of sympathy and
empathy for him and and and theway he started life, and then
giving him what you know loveand unconditional love and
sometimes unconditional love is.
You know it's a thing you carryand you don't.

(01:07:49):
You know it's very tearing fora mother.
You know you love your husband,but now he's no longer here,
but now your son is here and howcan you move forward with
forgiveness, with feeling goodabout this terrible thing that
has happened to your life, andthat's really the only thing I
can come up with with thesituation with her.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
That, or she didn't want to feel responsible if her
son was executed, because thenshe would have had a say to some
degree yeah, yeah, to do that,it's a hard thing, it is.
I just hope I never have to bein that.
Yeah, yeah, to do that, it's ahard thing, it is I.
I just hope I never have to bein that situation, because I
don't know.
Now are you going to tell usabout Jackie?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Well, she pled guilty to conspiracy to commit capital
murder by terror, threat orother felonies, so that's
exactly what they charged herwith.
Um she was sentenced to 120days plus two and 10 years
probation.
So she gets 120 days for thisconspiracy to commit capital

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murder and she spends two daysin jail on the anniversary of
Ted's murder.
So she goes and turns herself infor two days and spends two
days in prison, which to mewould be more of a halfway house
because you go in and you'rereleased and then she is on 10
years probation.
Now, if she breaks thisprobation or violation of

(01:09:18):
probation, she's going to serve20 years in prison.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Yeah, but if she doesn't break probation, it's
not a conviction on her record,that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
It's deferred.
It's deferred because shebasically helped them once she
was going to be, once she wasgoing to be indicted by a grand
jury.
So she says, hey, let me tellyou what I know.
And sometimes they have to makethese kind of deals with the
devil when they're dealing withsome of these cases, right.

(01:09:49):
And again it's like how did theDA feel about this case If they
prosecuted and brought to juryin trial?
Did they think they wouldn'tget a conviction?
Or was there something trying?
Why the plea deals?
A new DA, a new DA, right?
So it's a win.
Do you just want to get it off?
Yeah, it's a win.

(01:10:09):
You just want to be done withit and move forward.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
And it doesn't cost the state any money.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
That's right, and it doesn't cost the state any money
.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
That's right, because it's expensive to take people
to trial and pull these out forlong periods of time and you
think about the time in 2022.
I mean, COVID had happened.
States were behind.
Oh, still behind, Becauseeverything got delayed, so I
think a lot of things playedinto it.
Yes, I do too.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
And you know, sometimes it just turns out this
way and the conspirator or shegot a sweet deal.
Yeah, I mean, and again, theseare 19 year old kids we're
talking about, and I try toremember this because mindset
does have a lot to do withdecision-making, especially when
you're young like this, and shemay be a part of even cory and

(01:10:59):
the idea that they can have andmaybe even the justice system.
I mean, I have covered caseswhere police have said you know,
this shouldn't ruin their lives.
I mean these, this is realstatements that come from police
and, you know, do theysometimes base these adolescents
and these adult decisions theymake and think bad, bad judgment

(01:11:22):
, that you know, temporary lapseof judgment here, but but their
records have shown they've beengood people otherwise.
And so are we doing adisservice, putting them in jail
forever, you know, rather thangiving them a second chance?
And I think this is a constantbattle we feel with this justice
system which, because we try tobe fair, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
And I agree it's hard and I'm so glad I'm not having
to make that decision.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Because that that would be hard.
Because you're right, they madethis decision.
Their brains aren't fullydeveloped.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
They're not and they don't Well, just like his.
You know his lack of experiencein day trading what he thought
he knew he didn't know so well,right, and, and so I think you
you're dealing with with very,but, but, but very adult mindset
thinking, in my opinion, toeven go there in the first place
and think this is your out, andI would even I hope that

(01:12:20):
they've looked at Nick and I'vehope they've done some you know,
tests or had some conversationpsychiatrist and to think why
would a good kid who was raisedby a really good family,
suddenly do this?
Because this happens a lot, itdoes.
Nick isn't the only person todo something like this as a
teenager.
And you know, was it the money,was it the necessity to have

(01:12:43):
everything but not know how towork for it?
Because maybe that part ofbeing instilled in him didn't
quite get there, it was just howdo I get it?
He wanted to skip all of thehard work that His parents did
hey it wouldn't be, he wouldn'tbe the first one felt entitled
to it to some degree.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
He did, and he wanted to skip everything and he
didn't want to wait until he was30 or 40 to get it from his
parents.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Well, he regrets what he does and he accepts
responsibility for you know, fortheir murder.
Accepts responsibility, for youknow, for their murder.
Like you said, he accepted adeal and at 36 years old which
will be half of the sentence,the 35 years is 17 and a half
years he will be eligible forparole.
So we'll see what happenswhether they give it to him or

(01:13:31):
if he has to then spend the next17 and a half years in prison.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
I think a lot of it's going to depend on what he does
with his time in jail.
That's right why he's in prison.
What does he do?

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
I wonder if so.
I know that we know that Coreyleft Texas, remarried, changed
her name.
Yes, do we know if she stillhas contact with Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
So my understanding from the research I did, he
still mails her letters andstuff but she doesn't respond to
him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
So that's interesting .
So her view, you know.
She tells him take the plea,give yourself a fighting chance.
Yes, but now I have to realizewhat was done.
What was done, and I'm goingnow to to then you know, good
for her it is.
I mean, I think it's healingand I think it brings her back.

(01:14:28):
It does having to talk to himand I don't know how that, how
good that is for healing for her.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
I don't.
And then I mean she was askeddoes she love her son?
And she said she loves the boythat she raised, and she knew
yeah.
He's no longer that person.
Yeah, and I mean, setting thoseboundaries have got to be hard,
but she's also got to do what'sbest for her.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Yeah, no matter.
I mean, she was stuck by himthe whole time, I mean, and
having to separate, that all ofthe sudden wanted her dead.
I know I mean, yeah, I can'timagine um, so yeah, so they are
.
Um, jackie is doing her, didher 120 days, right, so that's

(01:15:12):
over.
She then turns herself in onted's anniversary and spends
those.
I don't know if I've ever heardof that part of a conviction
that they turn themselves in onthe anniversary.
That is a special circumstance.
I would assume that was withthe plea Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
I yeah, not sure.
My thought is, they think shehas to relive what she did every
two years.
She just can't go on and forget.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I agree with that.
I would say that was.
I've just never seen that I'venot seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
I've heard of it one time in a DWI case years ago,
probation and having to go inand do that yes.
But I've never heard it in thissituation.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
But I think you're right.
It's just a kind of a reminderof what happened and not being
able to let that go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
Yeah, and Corey, you know, wanted Nick to take the
plea deal.
She was not happy with whatJackie got.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
No, she wasn't.
She considered it a very lightsentence compared to 120 days,
yeah, and did she offer thatmuch information that they
already didn't have?
I see that was another thoughtof mine.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
You had the digital footprint and you had the notes
between them.
She was wanting to know why itwasn't happening faster.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
I don't know what did you need from her or what?
And that see, that tells methey were worried, maybe worried
about taking this to trial Likethis kind of makes me think
they needed her, they needed her, but they never tell us what
they got from her.
Yeah, and that's the thing.
It's like there.

(01:16:52):
To me, though, to offer onlythat sentence and to need her.
Bad enough to get him even thatplea deal.
There was something missing.
Yeah, there's something missing, and is it because a jury looks
at him?
Because I told you, I looked at, we saw a picture of these kids
.
They look like they just walkedout of Highland Park Homecoming

(01:17:13):
, right, I mean they don't.
They look like our neighbors.
I mean, these, these, these areeducated kids.
These are kids who I think, atleast for him, came up in a good
upbringing, right, but shewasn't.
I mean, she had a decent, I'mgoing to say she had a decent
upbringing, didn't read anythingthat she didn't.
I mean she was going to college, right, she got into A&M.

(01:17:34):
I, I mean she was going tocollege, she got into A&M.
I mean she was doing well forherself.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
I would love to know why.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Yeah, they needed her for something, and this kind of
sentence that's what it screamsto me is they really needed her
to talk?
That or my other thought onthat is she's very good at
manipulating people.
Yeah, but then you don't.

(01:18:04):
But you, how do you manipulateyourself?
Into a like they had to comewith that deal before she said
anything right, we're going togive you this if you cooperate,
if you cooperate with us.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
here's only what you're going to get Confirmed
everything they had against.
Just confirmed everything theyhad against.
So that was yeah, she must havebeen able to say fill in the
gaps for them that were missingfrom the digital evidence?

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Oh, no doubt about it .
I mean, they need you don't seethis.
Yeah, because that's unheard of.
Especially when you have thedigital footprint of the
engagement and the interactionabout this crime, right so?

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
I don't know.
And then you have the friendSpencer, that's right, who is an
informant.
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
So, yeah, two kids who you know, yeah, they were
starting their lives andunfortunately, money greed, um,
image, image, you know it's, Idon't know it's.

(01:19:04):
Um, it's kind of mind-bogglinga little bit when you think of
crimes like this.
And what motivated this youngman, who's who basically was
rescued from the soviet union tocome and live in America and be
raised by a wealthy family andgave you everything you know and
raised you with love and careand and you went around with

(01:19:28):
your father and you enjoyed himand you enjoyed your family.
And then what you know?
I say this to my police lawenforcement friends like what is
it?
What happens in the mind where?
And they go, stop it, just stoptrying to figure it out,
because you're not going tofigure it out, because you're
not a sociopath, like there's asociopathic behavior that
happens, that it shifts andyou're just, unless you're there

(01:19:50):
, unless you really are yoursociopath yourself, you're not
going to understand the brainchemistry of why things in these
decisions.
But because I mean, I think Imean it's just wild.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
He could have just waited.
Eventually, you know, it wouldall come to him.
Or I can't imagine he couldhave called his parents and said
I failed at day trading.
I know I can't pay you back.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
I need accountability .

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
I need to come work at the store for you and need to
learn that business.
Or, hey, I need to go tocollege.
This didn't work out.
I mean why his first thoughtwas to go to that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
And don't we think we raise our kids with that?
Don't we think we raise ourkids with enough accountability
to come to us and trust us?
Hey, you know what.
You can tell your friendswhatever you want, but I'm here
to help you, protect you andmake the right decision, no
matter if it's good, bad oryou're something doesn't feel
right.
That's a safe space.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
It's an unconditional love and you try to raise your
kids with it.
Yeah, so that's what I'm like.
Why is that the first thing yougo to?

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I don't so and.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
But like people say, we can't understand because
we're not um sociopaths who hirehitmen to kill our parents
right so so we'll see what theydo with their life.
Jackie has now finished collegeyes, she has um.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
He is in prison until at least the age of 36, um, and
that is very young.
That is, if he ends up gettingout, he can start a whole new
life for himself.
You know, chris and I hadcovered a case with a young man
actually not far from where weare, and he ended up killing

(01:21:31):
both of his parents after he wasfound shoplifting at Six Flags
and he this is a thing and heends up shooting both of them as
they come home from church andhe drives his rides, his bike,
to an Addison police officer andtells them that he has just
shot his parents.
And there is a this is a kidwho was raised in the best

(01:21:57):
private schools in Dallas, thebest of the best and given
everything.
And then one time you knowsomething happens and you get in
trouble and you don't know howto handle it.
And then all these things comeout in court right about how his
father treated him and this,and you don't know if it's true,
not true, but it's just thatimmediate reaction to

(01:22:17):
disappointment that people haveto learn to handle.
And if you don't, the worst islike oh, I've got to get rid of
the problem, I've got to fixthis, and I'm going to do it,
and if that means killing myfather to get money, then that's
just what I'm going to have todo.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
That goes to show, though, that the brain's not
fully developed, because that'spart of it.
Yeah, they that one thing thelife is over.
It's like my life's over.
I have no choice.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Yeah, there's no, there's no rebounding from this.
You know, and we know, asadults, that this too shall pass
, this too shall pass, and lifehappens and and sometimes it
sucks and we've got to admitwhen we're wrong and face the
consequences, but then sometimeslife's really great it is, but
you don't let.

Speaker 3 (01:23:03):
just one little thing I know, I've never had a
thought, oh, I need to killsomebody for this.
So it also shows, besides, justthe lack of maturity of their
brain, things like that.
Something in there, just yeah,it wasn't quite right, wasn't
quite right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Well, wow, well, thank you for introducing me to
this case.
It was very interesting toresearch and learn more about
and you know it reminded me ofthese like really big cases.
You know that involve differentpeople being asked to commit
the crime within the crime andnobody speaking up.
So once again, if you noticeanything, hear something, hear a

(01:23:45):
neighbor scream I mean God,chris and I were just looking at
a case the other day wherethree people heard the woman
screaming within a 30 minuteperiod and nobody called 911.
And one guy decided to threehours later because it really
bothered him this scream.
Just call police, just justcall.
I mean, if it sounds like ablood curdling scream or it

(01:24:08):
sounds like if it worries you,then that means your body's
telling you to do somethingabout it, right, I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
I used to when we first moved to the area we live
now.
I would hear gunshots and I'dbe like Colin, and then I
realized there's a gun shootingrange close by.
But if I hear it at an odd timeof the day, I do write down
exactly the time and look at theclock and then I watch the news
, because I can't call for thegun range every time.
I hear gunshots, but at leastI've documented it in case.

(01:24:38):
But if I heard somebody scream,blood curdling, yell, I'm
calling 911.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Yes, just call and it really honestly.
It goes to trafficking, it goesto child abuse so many things.
It goes to animal abuseEverything.
Be a good neighbor.
We are responsible for ourcommunity and to do the
neighborly thing and don't worryabout pissing people off either
.
A neighbor we are, we areresponsible for our community
and to do the neighborly thingand you know, don't worry about
pissing people off either.
Exactly Okay.
And it's okay to be wrong toplease go.

(01:25:03):
Hey, you know what?
We looked into it.
There's nothing here.
Well, great, at least I can goto bed and go to sleep knowing
that I've done the right thing,exactly.
So if anybody offers you moneyto kill someone, you know what
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Oh, we've told them.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Now, Terry, we've told them not what to do Now.
Just do it Now.
Just do it.
All right, friend.
Well, I hope we get to do thisagain.
Yes, this was fun.
This was so fun.
Would you like to end it how?
How we end our show.
How do you end your show so?

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
usually I just tell people to stay safe, watch out
for crime and enjoy wine time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Oh, you do.
Well, I like that.
Well, ours is have fun.
No, stay safe, have fun andcheers to next time.
Cheers to next time.
A big thank you this week toour sponsor, longhorn Cellars.
We are enjoying their 2023Twilight Rose this week, a blend

(01:25:56):
of 85% Montepulciano and 15%Mouverdre.
This medium-bodied rosé winehas notes of strawberry,
raspberry and plums.
And, Chris, what did you pairthis wine with?

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
I paired it with a golden potato chowder with added
some roasted corn and potatoand sorry, roasted corn and
carrots Cause I suspected thiswine was going to be just a tad
bit sweet.
It wasn't really that sweet butjust kind of bring out some of
those notes.
And we had a very simple saladwith a hunt with a Chipotle
ranch dressing.
It's kind of a light littlemeal.

(01:26:29):
And then, of course, you gotthe bread bowl that it was
served in a big sour dough breadbowl.
But yeah, this was a really goodwine, though I really enjoyed
it.
It was nice, very easy drinking.
I've kind of rosés are slowlybut surely growing on me, and so
I felt like it'd be a goodmatch and I think it all worked
out well.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Yeah, and it was still warm outside, so the wine
went great.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
Yeah, it was a summer wine with a fall dish.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Exactly Well.
Thank you again, LonghornSellers.
We can't wait to see you andeveryone, Chris, on November 2nd
.
If you haven't got your ticketsto that show, grab them now.
We will be there very soon tovisit our friend from
Fredericksburg.
Chris, thank you for the dish,and Longhorn Sellers, thank you

(01:27:13):
Bye.

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