January 26, 2025 • 37 mins
Unravel the twisted web of the "Tennessee Affair," a chilling true crime saga that exposes the sinister side of wealth, conspiracy, and murder-for-hire. We explore the tumultuous journey of Erik Maund from Austin, Texas, whose entanglement with former lover Holly Williams spiraled into a violent plot that forever altered their lives and those around them. Discover how a simple threat of extortion turned deadly, leading to the tragic deaths of Holly and her boyfriend, William Lanway, and the explosive legal battles that have since ensued.
As we dissect the case, we uncover the shadowy involvement of security firms and ex-military operatives Bryon Brockway and Adam Carey, who complicated the already dangerous waters Eric Mond was treading. Instead of a lawful resolution, the story took a darker turn, with offers of violence overshadowing any legal paths. We delve into the high-stakes decisions and moral dilemmas faced by Mond, sparking questions about his choices amid the threats and the grim roles played by those who sought to protect him.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Welcome all of you wine and true crime lovers.
I'm Brandi and and I'm Chris.
And this is Texas Wine and TrueCrime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
, the Tennessee Affair.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
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I think so I know we alwayskind of confuse it.
What were your thoughts on thiswine, Brandon?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I thought it was crisp and refreshing.
I really enjoyed it.
I really liked the hints ofstrawberry that I got from
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Speaker 2 (01:05):
I too enjoyed it.
I thought it would make a greatsummer wine.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
However, is there really a bad time to drink?
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wine, never Exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So you can kind of enjoy it any time of year of
course, but yeah, it was verygood, very crisp.
I did kind of like those subtle, very I was going to say
overtones, but it would sayundertones, but yes, just those
hints.
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Chris.
(02:22):
A Tennessee judge granted amotion for a new trial for three
men convicted of killing awoman after her estranged
boyfriend was making threats ofexposing the affair she was
having with.
Eric mond mond, along withbrian brockway and adam carey,
were found guilty of conspiracyto commit murder for hire after
(02:42):
holly williams and will WilliamLandway were found dead in a car
in Nashville in 2020.
So we have the crime thatactually takes place in
Nashville, tennessee, but wehave Eric Bond, who's actually
living in Austin, texas.
Now this judge has ruled thatthere was a mistake, chris, that
caused certain things to not beadmitted into evidence during
(03:04):
the trial, and this has nowcaused a problem.
The court clerk actually foundout when members of the media
they were asking questions aboutthe trial exhibits after this
trial was over.
So, despite the motion for anew trial being granted, the new
trials timeline.
It's still up in the air.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's, unfortunately, a very lucky break for these
gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yes, and this is actually federal trial, so to be
seen on what actually happenswith this case.
But this is a case of a loveaffair gone wrong.
You have Eric Mond Mond,married, living in Austin, texas
.
He was actually a partner inthe Mond Automotive Group.
(03:47):
Now Chris, his grandfather, hadstarted this company in 1957.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Very prominent car dealership family correct.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yes, he was living in about an $8 million home off
the Austin Country Club, golfcourse.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Is that all?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
With, I think, 10 10 bathrooms to be specific, so
these they were not hurting.
This was a very establishedcompany in Austin.
Again.
His grandfather started in 1957, part of a family legacy.
His father was also a part ofthe company and then passed down
to son.
But, chris, they actually soldthis in 2022, after Eric's
arrest.
(04:26):
So little shame on the family,I'd say 10 bathrooms 10
bathrooms.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We hate cleaning our two.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
One for every friend over, I suppose One for each day
, and three for the next week, Iguess, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, what a good rotation?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So Eric had emailed Holly Williams before he
traveled to Nashville, and thisis where she lived.
She was working as an escortand an esthetician at the time
so he actually meets her whenhe's there to visit people.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Escort like a lady of the night, Like a lady of the
night.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yes, but he actually used a fake name when he met her
.
He didn't use, like, his reallast name, mond and Williams,
who so the boyfriend, theestranged boyfriend we're going
to talk about?
Mond and Williams actually hada previous relationship.
(05:22):
So, chris, this is actually thesecond or third time they're
going to hook up in Nashville.
So he's going to Nashville fromAustin.
He wants to meet up.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And paying her each time.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I don't know about the payment, I can't really
speak to that.
I just know that they had had aprevious encounter together.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's what I'm saying.
So it was an affair.
Their initial encounter was um.
He hired her not sure.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think they met in a bar in nashville or met in
nashville somehow.
I don't know exactly how theymet or if he was paying her, but
I do know that she was anescort in nashville.
She even had an escort name.
So now he possibly maybe visitthat site and that's how he met
her and that's why he gave thelast name.
I couldn't really find outexactly how these two met, but
(06:12):
they had met enough once ortwice before when he was in town
, so this is now the third timeI believe these two were
actually going to meet up.
There was a messages that policewill eventually find in emails,
and Mond had basically saidlike good day, good, you know,
good morning, beautiful.
Looking forward to seeing youlater in Nashville.
I'll meet you in the bar, likelast time, you know.
(06:35):
So I would say, chris, yes,this is probably, um you know, a
relationship.
Whether he was paying her ornot, I don't know, this guy had
lots of money because that'sjust kind of a whole different
that's right transaction whenyou come into affairs, versus,
um, just, you know, I don't knowas far as feelings towards the
(06:59):
person.
You know um, I don't think therewere.
I don't think that the case, Idon't think these two were in
love.
I mean, I think that she waslike a pretty woman deal.
Pretty much, I think.
I think she enjoyed, maybe,being with him, and he did her,
and he was out of town and thiswas a way to whatever he wanted
to do while he you know, whilehe wasn't in Austin.
But a month later, after thislast interaction, on March 1st
(07:23):
2020, he starts receiving textmessages from Lanway.
Okay so Lanway, william Lanwayis actually the estranged
boyfriend of Holly Williams.
Okay, so Lanway had apparentlystarted to threaten Mond to
exposed this relationship withWilliams and then basically
(07:45):
demanded money in exchange forkeeping quiet.
So you have the estrangedboyfriend who, by the way we
know, was living with HollyWilliams at the time of this
crime.
She had actually called police,I believe, three times in just
a few weeks before her murder,basically saying that he's
(08:07):
trying to kill her and he'sabusing her.
So you know, she's not in agood relationship with this guy.
So what happens is he finds thephone number off of Holly
Williams' phone right, because,remember, he uses a fake name.
Eric Mondes is a fake name.
Well, he ends up finding out,tracing this phone number Chris
back to the automotive company,and that's when he gets his real
name yeah, and you know, I knowwe have talked about this too,
(08:31):
and that's where I have troublewith this said being.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I'll say trouble.
But the extorting the money,the affair, the supposedly
number I it, the more and morewe talk about this, leads me to
believe that she is, was somehowinvolved in this extortion
attempt.
To that there was no numberfound, that you know, obviously
used a fake name.
(08:57):
If they were hanging out, maybeit slipped out what he actually
did for a living and, um, youknow, yeah, knowing this and the
boyfriend knowing they couldbuild this guy out of some money
true, yes, um, I will say Icouldn't find in any of my
research.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Now, I'm sure the court documents the court, you
know the actual reports mightsay something a little
differently, but none of this ofthese messages were coming from
her right, no, I know, but I'msaying was he an abusive
domestic violence boyfriend andthen real, you know, and then
wants to cause some problems andmaybe she told him I think he
(09:38):
has money.
I mean, we don't know right, wedon't know the conversation,
but we know that he found out hehad money I'm not denying the
abuse.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I'm just saying that you know they're just because it
came from his phone.
Doesn't mean anything, because Ithink it makes it look more
legitimate if he's getting theinformation from her well no, no
, but portraying that he'ssomehow angered by this whole
thing that's right it could havebeen just to set up from the
get-go, because maybe at somepoint, even from the initial
visit, knowing this guy'straveling here, I mean I I still
(10:07):
find that the more likelyscenario, because I mean what
you're suggesting is.
I mean we joke when we say thewhole pretty woman thing but I
mean like, was this a hookerwith a heart?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean they just fall in love and meet, or something
like that Well, I mean, shedidn't try to do this before
when she met with him?
Well, I know, and that's partof her job is an escort to
accompany men with money, not toframe them right.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
This guy had money an $8 million home Okay, that's a
lot of money, yeah, and I canprobably guarantee that that
wasn't her typical clientele,and so you never know.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That could have been the setup and kind of the
rope-a-dope and and bringing himin a little bit closer to um
kind of establish thatrelationship.
You know, I don't know, I'm,I'm, I'm, yeah, just telling you
the way I'm leaning on this.
But yes, let's continue.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Sorry to digress well , I mean, you're right, landway
is the one sending the messages,but the phone number came from
her phone right, no, so that'swhat I'm saying, you know did he
do his own research and findout exactly who he was.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
That is what police are saying no, no, no, I'm
saying it could have come fromher phone yeah she could have
just provided.
I mean, we don't, she couldjust provide it from he, she
could have just given it to him.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean right you know what, what sort of uh that
could be her story right orcould have you know, I mean like
not her story, but I mean I'mjust saying like obviously
(11:42):
around to tell that story, butthat could have been kind of how
they set it all up, lostcontrol of the car and crashed.
But they were actually killedbecause and really a larger plot
of Maughan's effort tobasically cover up this affair
with Holly Williams.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well, and I'm sorry Because of the exposure, just to
go back to that too, thiswoman's an escort.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
That's right.
Why is he all of a suddenPart-time escort, part-time
esthetician, sudden part-timeescort, part-time part-time,
part-time escort?
But why?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
is he all the sudden upset because she's seeing this
one guy, you know?
I mean like she sees men on theside.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We don't even know that.
If that's the case, though, Iknow how do we know that this is
the first time we don't?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
no, I know, I'm just you have a piece of shit.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Who's going out with a woman, who meets men with
money?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
and you have people who do bad things and he doesn't
care about her, clearly no, Iknow so he's trying to ruffle
the feathers maybe for her,maybe for eric mond, probably
for both this could be also anum, a tandem of sorts, you know
maybe this is something they do,but anyways, let's continue.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
All right.
So, due to these threats thathe had received from William
Lanway, eric Mond decides to dosomething about this.
So he's being blackmailed,right, he's being extorted.
This guy wants $150,000 to keephis mouth shut or he's going to
expose Eric Mond to his wife,to his business, to everyone in
(13:18):
Austin.
So he ends up getting in touchwith someone who owns.
Now this person lives in Austin, he owns a company formerly
known as Speartip Enterprisesand basically Chris.
Their job is to respond toextortion demands.
You have security professionalswho do surveillance, who find
(13:42):
out about the extortion, whereit's coming from.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Typically, too, if you're being extorted, this
guy's trying to keep this quiet,obviously.
So that's what's also too.
I have to look more at thiscompany.
But even too, we're talkingabout this like they deal with
extortion attempts, but that'sright, legitimate extortion
attempts.
You probably would go to theauthorities, and these guys are
kind of working under the radar,so where they're going out of
the country, stuff well, thatwas the plan no, I know, and
(14:07):
that's what's so strange, thatwe have a company that deals
with that.
You know like yeah, becauseyou're working outside the
outside the law that's right youknow, well, that was the whole
plan.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And this guy who ends up pleading guilty because he
runs this company.
He actually says that the ideawas to have security and
professionals basicallysurveillance these people that
were trying to extort and then,once they had the information,
that's when they take it toauthorities and tell the
(14:40):
authorities what's happening andthen put it in their hands.
But we know that that didn'tactually happen.
The day that Mond startedreceiving these threats is the
day that he reached out to GladPalais, who owned this company.
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After Mond enlisted the aid of Pallet, he was
connected, chris, to BrianBrockway and Adam Carey.
So these two guys are workingbasically under, I'm going to
say, in this sort of securitygroup.
They're both ex-military.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
They're operatives.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
They're operatives and so these guys are now all
connected to what Eric Mond istrying to do.
Now, eric Mond wanted thevictims, like I said, they were
going to put surveillance onthem.
Now, on March 12th, they putthe plan into action.
So, chris, these securityprofessionals which are these
(17:16):
two guys right who are nowconvicted murderers, brian
Brockway and Adam Carey Brockwaytells Pillay, why don't we just
kill them, like now?
We know who they are, what'shappening, let's just go ahead
and take care of this and getall of the money right.
No need to go to police.
So the guy, galad Palay, whowas going to try to do the right
(17:40):
thing by running this businessand then giving the information
to the authorities, he says henow looks back and completely
regrets listening to these guysand not doing what he had
intended to do, which wasencourage Eric Maughan to go to
police with this information.
But, chris, you know whathappens when they go to police
(18:02):
it's still going to get out.
I think Eric Maughan knew this.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
That's why I think that was never the intention and
that's why I don't buy thatwhole story too, that he was
talked into it.
It seems just so fishy, becauseyou don't need to hire a
private team to go surveilcriminals in another state.
You would contact the Tennesseeauthorities.
That's right.
That so-and-so is trying toextort money out of me.
(18:27):
This guy had a lot to lose bydoing that, of course, but I
just personally, that justsounds fishy.
This guy's an ex-Massad agent,an ex-Israeli defense force
soldier.
Massad is equivalent to the CIAhere in the United States.
That is, an organization thattargets people for termination.
(18:51):
So that's kind of what they do,it's.
It just seems very unlikely.
I'm sure he's saying that nowbecause his butt sitting in jail
over all this.
So I guess it is easy to youknow, I also, and I have
hindsight, of course but yeah, Ialmost.
I just feel like to to sendthese people to another state.
You know, this guy was tryingto do this, do this quietly,
(19:13):
keep this under the radar, and Imean I don't know, apparently,
people with $8 million homes canfind companies like this and
this can happen all the time.
But it doesn't lead to goodthings, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's right.
And Brockway and Carey actuallygo to Nashville and start
watching these people a few daysbefore they're actually killed
and start watching these peoplea few days before they're
actually killed.
Now they're armed and theyconfront Holly Williams and
William Lanway in the parkinglot of Holly Williams's
apartment complex.
So we know that because of herphone calls to police that he
was actually living with her atthe time.
(19:43):
So they find both of them thereand they immediately kill
William Lanway.
They shoot him multiple timesat the apartment complex and
then they kidnap Holly Williamsand drive her with the body of
William Landway in the car to aconstruction site in Nashville,
(20:04):
chris.
They murder her there and thenthey discard the bodies and
leave them in the car and makeit look like an accident.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, that's why I wonder too, why was she a target
?
And then they discard thebodies and leave them in the car
and make it look like anaccident.
Well, that's why I wonder too,why was she a target?
You know what?
And also, what sort of evidencedid they have?
Just because somebody calls youon the phone, say they know
you're cheating on your wife?
Whatever, they would have tohave some evidence, right,
videos, something text messages.
I mean, is there?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, they had emails .
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They had emails from oh yeah, so, and this is once
again why I think she playedpart in this, because you know,
suddenly, now he he's able toget into her phone.
He has her password for acomputer, all these things.
I think too this may have beenwhy she became a target as well
too, because I mean, maybe thisguy you know, guy you know,
maybe mon thought she wasinvolved to some degree well,
(20:53):
and you have to think heprobably didn't trust her right,
so he's probably not going togo to her and go.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I mean, maybe he did.
Maybe he did send a messageabout like what's happening,
what's going on.
I just don't know if he wouldhave even taken that chance any
longer or did this guy presentthat we are extorting you too?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You know who knows.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
So, according to the indictment, mond wired more than
$750,000 to an account.
Basically, that is for themoney to kill these people.
That's a lot of bread.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's a lot of money .
All the cases we've done whereyou've had murder for hires and
they're getting five or tengrand.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I know $750,000.
$750,000.
It's a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
That's too why I think you know, mr Pallad was
that was the intention, because,even so, just a private
investigator you're going to golook at somebody else.
I mean, that's an ungodlyamount of money.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, he was probably getting that money for finding
these two guys and actuallytaking care of them.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I mean, that's what I mean, and you think about all
the stories we've done, thepeople that have found people to
go murder somebody and end upgetting caught, and the measly
amount of cash you know they're.
Clearly these people are doingit right.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I don't know well, the charges come down on them in
december of 2021, um.
The indictment followed in julyof 2022.
So brian brockway and adamcurie were convicted on all
charges.
So they did go to trial andthey were actually in their
charges, Chris.
They included the kidnappingresulting in death and
conspiracy to commit kidnapping.
(22:33):
So Mond was found not guilty ofthe kidnapping resulting in the
death because he wasn't thereRight Now, in December of 2022,
Pallet pled guilty to threecharges after he was indicted.
All four men were charged inthe connection to the kidnapping
and murder of WilliamsonLandway, but he basically pled
(22:56):
guilty, so he ended up not goingto trial.
Now, although Mond wasacquitted of the kidnapping, his
co-defendants were not Carrieand Brockway.
All three still face amandatory life sentence under
the federal murder for hireresulting in death statute.
So he didn't cross lines, buthe hired someone that had to
(23:18):
cross state lines and commit acrime.
So because of that, he willalso be held accountable for the
federal murder for hire deathstatute which would then?
give him life in prison.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And what led police to just weed up.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
We just don't know, right um, I probably they, um I
mean like they staged, like youknow, staged to look like a
wreck.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
What was the advantage as opposed to just
taking these people and dumpingthem in a body of water?
Um, you know I mean becausewould that have led back to
Maude too, if they went throughher laptop and all of her
belongings?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh, they did Like he was actually arrested coming
back from a hunting trip, sothey were definitely watching
him and observing.
I mean, they connected itpretty quickly, but I think they
weren't able to actually makean arrest until later.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
That's just what you wonder.
That must have been the reasonfor trying to establish that
there was some sort of anaccident and still so they would
find the bodies.
Versus.
That's right, because clearlythere had to be, because I mean,
there had been a lot ofevidence to eventually lead back
to him in some form or fashion,if she disappeared and this
other guy disappeared.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Of course.
Well, you have, oh yeah,because, well, when they find
out who they are, then they'llget.
So if they don't have cellphones, well, they'll subpoena
the records to find out whothey're communicating with.
I mean, that's the first thingthey do is who are these people
talking to?
Who doesn't like them?
Who would want them dead?
(24:50):
So they start finding all thisand then they start finding the
emails and then they start kindof just piecing this all
together.
But I think for this case, youknow, I mean it was almost what
three and a half years later,when the trial was over, right,
when they had been convicted andit was over.
So it was three and a halfyears, and then that indictment
came.
You know, we're talking about12 to 14 months really trying to
piece things together and thenthe arrest is made.
So you know, I think theywanted to be sure I mean you had
(25:13):
, by the way, these defendantsleft Texas.
I mean one was found, I think,in the Carolinas, the other one
was found in another state, soyou know, and they had a rental
car that they got rid of, the innashville.
So I think it really just tooksome piecing together, um on
this, because when police cameon the scene.
(25:34):
That's exactly what they thinkthey're looking at, obviously,
until they realize these, thesevictims had gunshot wounds,
right.
So that's really when they'regoing.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They're murdered, right, they got murdered for for
what they paid, what he paidpaid for that to lead back to
him.
These must have been somereally dumb assassins.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, they are.
Well, I wouldn't call themintelligent assassins.
I would not even say that thiswas even assassin-like.
You leave the bodies in openplain sight.
No, but that's something youwould do to stage that.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm saying probably for his sake, that was the wise
thing to do.
And it just really interestinghow it just because I mean even
so, just because he had Well,digital footprint is a bitch and
people think they can get ridof things, and they can't.
So no, but these guys had noties to this couple.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
No.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
At all.
No, so they had.
The only ties to their couplewas any sort of communication
that Mond had with both that'sright, both of the deceased,
that's right.
So I mean you know, it's likeyou know, that's what's just so
bizarre about this.
Like I mean, that's a lot ofmoney he could have attempted to
(26:47):
pay.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I think you're dealing with people who grand.
I mean, you know, like in okay,but you have money, so you're
not gonna go do that.
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm just saying, like when you think about it like,
um, just I don't know how itit's so you're saying because he
paid a lot of money they shouldhave gotten away with it of
course yes, I would, I wouldthink if it's $750,000,.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
you can get away with a murder, okay, but you're
dealing with somebody whodoesn't know how much money
needs to be paid for someone tobe killed and doesn't care
because he's worried about hisreputation.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
People pay a lot less and get away with these things,
so that's just kind of.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, to me you company, that's the irony.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, we don't know if it's legitimate.
We really don't know.
Well.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I mean it was considered a business in Austin.
That doesn't mean anything Imean, but he wasn't like an
assassin going around killingpeople.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But these guys, could have been, you know I mean you
think about all the contractorsthat were working in Iraq after
the war.
I mean basically those guys aremercenaries.
There were private companies,private security firms, that
were hiring people that wereex-military to go and secure
things.
All kinds of bad stuff happenedwith that and so, yeah,
essentially you kind of arehiring mercenaries to go do this
(27:54):
, and so when you think aboutthat and just the, it's just
kind of ironic that this guywent to this.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Well, and I think it's like the whole rental car
thing, and then they realizedthat they're using this app I
think it was called like Pingeror Pinged or something so they
could all like stay connectedand where they were in Nashville
, and so I think they probably,like you almost, wonder you
almost wonder if he turned onthem, though, to lead back to
those two guys, because I stillwonder.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I know they rented a car there, yeah that's, but the
cops would never know.
People rent cars every day.
Something had to have led themback to these two gentlemen, and
you almost wonder.
This guy rolled on the otherdefendants yeah, I'm sure he did
.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I mean, he took a plea deal.
That's what I mean.
I was trying to wrap my headaround how they were able to
even locate these oh yeah, noyeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Because they did the right thing, because that's how
a lot of people get caught.
I mean, let's face it, peopleget ratted on all the time.
I bet he ratted and that's howit happened.
He probably said oh, I heard.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Well, yeah, because he wasn't there to actually kill
, right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I hired them to just go find them and surveil them,
and and locate them so theycould go give the information to
you guys.
I think that's the biggestbullshit story in the world, and
so yeah.
I think he's.
He's probably the reason thatyou know, cause he wasn't going
to go down for it by himself ortry to say that he was not.
You know, obviously he'scomplicit in it, but that that
(29:22):
wasn't I thought to.
To me, I think that's where thestory comes from, as far as the
whole murder thing.
Well, they try to talk me intoit.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, and really Eric Mond.
I think it really was theemails.
They started following him inAustin, I think, within not a
very long period of time afterthis, Probably more often than
you know, because if you thinkabout it did, uh.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Our highland park black widow used to do this all
the time that's right sleep withmen and extort them for money
that's right and there's moviesabout this.
52 pickup is a great one.
That's elmore linder novel.
Obviously it's fiction buthappens all the time.
You know this this boyfriendcould have been a pimp of some
sorts and they knew they hadthis guy on the hook, you know,
(30:06):
and so maybe that's somethingthey did.
Listen, this is a crazy worldwe live in.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I was just telling you about all these deadly
affairs and all of these showsthat are literally.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
This is not an affair .
I still don't feel like this isan affair.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I think this guy thought he was, but you have to
think of Eric Mons' family Right.
That would have been considered.
This guy thought he was, butyou have to think of Eric Mons
family right.
No, that's why that would havebeen considered an affair,
that's why he was hiring anescort.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
though If you don't, if you, if you're going and
having an affair, you're goingto have an emotional attachment
to this person.
That's right that person willhave an emotional attachment to
you.
This is different.
This is something you're payingsomebody for, sex.
They're not supposed to be anysort of connection.
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We think, well, yeah, I'm just,I haven't confirmed that he was
actually paying for anything.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Oh, I'm quite sure, I'm sure he was footing some
bill, I'm pretty sure.
Let's, let's be honest, butyeah, so, but these were, you
know, they were convicted in acourt of law.
Whether she's an escort or not,chris, she doesn't get to have
to die, okay?
And so william lanway, you know, the nashville court said this
was a heinous crime that wasbrought on by somebody with
money and he thought he wassmart enough to hire people to
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get rid of them.
And we talk about this all thetime 750 grand, Like why not
just pay the 150?
And you said because thenthey'll ask for another 150, and
they'll ask for another 150.
And you might be right, butisn't there a better way?
Like that's where his mind went.
So to me, Eric Mond, you're notdealing with somebody who's
very intelligent, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
You're kind of dealing with somebody.
I think he was told by thiscompany that they would, oh, you
pay that once, you'll pay itagain, sure.
And I'm not saying they deserveto die, and I'm also not saying
, because she was an escort,their, their butt should be
sitting in jail for trying toextort him.
Sure he just couldn't have gonethrough that that's right
because he's not smart enough toknow that if I pay them once,
I'll pay him again.
They're gonna keep asking formoney yeah that's just that's.
(32:01):
You should have that commonsense.
And I guarantee somebody saidyou know I'm not putting words
in this, uh, bled's mouth, butyou know I mean yeah oh well,
sir, if you do that, they'regonna come there.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
If they know you'll pay 150 once, you'll pay 150
again right, which is why Ithink he reached out to him in
the first place.
I'm not even sure he actuallyreached out to him to have them
killed in the first place, rightfact that he had 750 000000
petty cash that would gounnoticed.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
to transfer to another account means this guy
had a shit ton of money, okay.
I know A shit ton of money Doyou don't have?
I mean to have that kind of.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Just the ability to move that kind of money, that
kind of cash up just in the bank.
I know we're talking aboutproperties.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's right, because a lot of people are very
wealthy that own properties andare not cash rich.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
They're rich in other things.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Lots of people have that To be cash rich like that,
that is somewhat unheard of.
That's why I think too, somehowthis couple knew that this guy
had bread like this.
Oh sure, no, he did.
He realized who he was.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, I mean that's because remember he lied about
who he was and so it wasn'tuntil they that the boyfriend
find out who this guy really isand says you know what, maybe no
, I think he told, we're justgonna get.
I mean, this is an easy way forus to get money right.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I think he told her who he was and that's how the
boyfriend found out.
The boyfriend didn't just lookat a facebook photo and figure
out it's Eric Mondo.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
He traced the phone number back to the automotive
group.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And that's how we figure out what his real.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
He used his real first name.
He just didn't use his reallast name.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I'm just saying I think this girl's involved, I
think she, they think they setthe guy up, doesn't matter,
she's deceased.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So whether she was involved or not I don't know,
but we know that she did havethe affair.
The boyfriend got the phonenumber, found out who this guy
was.
We know he was a terribleboyfriend because Holly Williams
called the police multipletimes before she was killed and
said that this guy was causingproblems for her too.
I'm sure in the indictments andin the court records it will
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say whether Holly actually was apart of these conversations
with Lanway.
But we do know that WilliamLanway those messages were being
sent to Eric from his phone,not Holly Williams' phone.
So because of that, how muchdid she know?
Was this guy just trying tokind of pull a fast one using
her contacts Because maybe she'strying to run a business?
(34:22):
I mean we just don't know right, because maybe she's trying to
run a business.
I mean we just don't know right, maybe you're right, maybe he
was her pimp, maybe this guy wasan abuser and she had gone back
to him over and, over and overand he was controlling.
I mean again, we're not evendealing.
You know we're dealing withpeople who aren't really
thinking any of this through onboth sides and unfortunately it
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ends up.
You know these.
These two people were in their30s that were killed.
I mean, they, you know theirwhole lives ahead of them and
it's just, it's just a sad deal.
And you had a guy who hadenough money and wanted to get
rid of the problem because hewould rather do that than have
to face public scrutiny.
I mean, think about this.
He, his, the family, is highlyrespected in Austin and this
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company has been around since1957.
So I can only imagine histhought of shame having to go
public with this.
I mean, I'm sure he thought,chris, his life would be over.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And people do extreme things right.
What I know is that justbecause this guy finds his phone
number on her phone, supposedlystill don't believe that that
there is no, even if he tracedit back and finds out a car
dealership he works at a cardealership or his name's on a
car dealership you still don'tknow that person has that kind
(35:43):
of money.
Okay, well, I'm just saying itjust takes a little Google
research.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, it doesn't.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I don't believe that.
No, but they don't know Googledoesn't know your bank accounts,
and so somehow this guy knewthat this guy had money.
And the only way, in my opinion, of how he would know that is
somehow she had to tell theboyfriend this guy's loaded.
And that's maybe she did, andthat's where I stand.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Maybe she already knew that, though I mean, so
that's why I mean he could havealready known that before the
first or second time they metthis wasn't the first time it
wasn't by just happenstance thatthis is the one guy that he
just so happens to confront andextort.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
You know that.
We know of that.
It just so happens to be a uberwealthy guy.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So yes, he didn't just figure that out on his own?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
well, I don't think well I also don't think she knew
his true wealth.
Oh, I don't know, why would aguy who's hiring an escort.
Tell this woman everythingabout him because we, because
you know what rich people likethis guy probably like to brag
about shit like that maybe whothe f knows maybe guarantee he
was trying to butter up all thembiscuits with her and tell her
the whole story.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
True.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
So I got money, I'll do this.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
We don't know what happened behind closed doors.
I'll take you here, take youthere keep my little side piece.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well, I'm just trying to paint my own little picture
over here.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah Well, these three have been, chris.
There is a motion to give themall a new trial.
We shall see what happens withthese cases.
Again, this happened in theNashville court, so we'll be
keeping an eye on this one.
Until next time, friends, staysafe, have fun and cheers to
(37:19):
next time.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Cheers.
Thank you, bye.
Welcome all of you wine and true crime lovers.
I'm Brandi and and I'm Chris.
And this is Texas Wine and TrueCrime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
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(02:22):
A Tennessee judge granted amotion for a new trial for three
men convicted of killing awoman after her estranged
boyfriend was making threats ofexposing the affair she was
having with.
Eric mond mond, along withbrian brockway and adam carey,
were found guilty of conspiracyto commit murder for hire after
(02:42):
holly williams and will WilliamLandway were found dead in a car
in Nashville in 2020.
So we have the crime thatactually takes place in
Nashville, tennessee, but wehave Eric Bond, who's actually
living in Austin, texas.
Now this judge has ruled thatthere was a mistake, chris, that
caused certain things to not beadmitted into evidence during
(03:04):
the trial, and this has nowcaused a problem.
The court clerk actually foundout when members of the media
they were asking questions aboutthe trial exhibits after this
trial was over.
So, despite the motion for anew trial being granted, the new
trials timeline.
It's still up in the air.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
It's, unfortunately, a very lucky break for these
gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yes, and this is actually federal trial, so to be
seen on what actually happenswith this case.
But this is a case of a loveaffair gone wrong.
You have Eric Mond Mond,married, living in Austin, texas
.
He was actually a partner inthe Mond Automotive Group.
(03:47):
Now Chris, his grandfather, hadstarted this company in 1957.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Very prominent car dealership family correct.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yes, he was living in about an $8 million home off
the Austin Country Club, golfcourse.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Is that all?
Speaker 1 (04:05):
With, I think, 10 10 bathrooms to be specific, so
these they were not hurting.
This was a very establishedcompany in Austin.
Again.
His grandfather started in 1957, part of a family legacy.
His father was also a part ofthe company and then passed down
to son.
But, chris, they actually soldthis in 2022, after Eric's
arrest.
(04:26):
So little shame on the family,I'd say 10 bathrooms 10
bathrooms.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
We hate cleaning our two.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
One for every friend over, I suppose One for each day
, and three for the next week, Iguess, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, what a good rotation?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
So Eric had emailed Holly Williams before he
traveled to Nashville, and thisis where she lived.
She was working as an escortand an esthetician at the time
so he actually meets her whenhe's there to visit people.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Escort like a lady of the night, Like a lady of the
night.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yes, but he actually used a fake name when he met her
.
He didn't use, like, his reallast name, mond and Williams,
who so the boyfriend, theestranged boyfriend we're going
to talk about?
Mond and Williams actually hada previous relationship.
(05:22):
So, chris, this is actually thesecond or third time they're
going to hook up in Nashville.
So he's going to Nashville fromAustin.
He wants to meet up.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And paying her each time.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
I don't know about the payment, I can't really
speak to that.
I just know that they had had aprevious encounter together.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's what I'm saying.
So it was an affair.
Their initial encounter was um.
He hired her not sure.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I think they met in a bar in nashville or met in
nashville somehow.
I don't know exactly how theymet or if he was paying her, but
I do know that she was anescort in nashville.
She even had an escort name.
So now he possibly maybe visitthat site and that's how he met
her and that's why he gave thelast name.
I couldn't really find outexactly how these two met, but
(06:12):
they had met enough once ortwice before when he was in town
, so this is now the third timeI believe these two were
actually going to meet up.
There was a messages that policewill eventually find in emails,
and Mond had basically saidlike good day, good, you know,
good morning, beautiful.
Looking forward to seeing youlater in Nashville.
I'll meet you in the bar, likelast time, you know.
(06:35):
So I would say, chris, yes,this is probably, um you know, a
relationship.
Whether he was paying her ornot, I don't know, this guy had
lots of money because that'sjust kind of a whole different
that's right transaction whenyou come into affairs, versus,
um, just, you know, I don't knowas far as feelings towards the
(06:59):
person.
You know um, I don't think therewere.
I don't think that the case, Idon't think these two were in
love.
I mean, I think that she waslike a pretty woman deal.
Pretty much, I think.
I think she enjoyed, maybe,being with him, and he did her,
and he was out of town and thiswas a way to whatever he wanted
to do while he you know, whilehe wasn't in Austin.
But a month later, after thislast interaction, on March 1st
(07:23):
2020, he starts receiving textmessages from Lanway.
Okay so Lanway, william Lanwayis actually the estranged
boyfriend of Holly Williams.
Okay, so Lanway had apparentlystarted to threaten Mond to
exposed this relationship withWilliams and then basically
(07:45):
demanded money in exchange forkeeping quiet.
So you have the estrangedboyfriend who, by the way we
know, was living with HollyWilliams at the time of this
crime.
She had actually called police,I believe, three times in just
a few weeks before her murder,basically saying that he's
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trying to kill her and he'sabusing her.
So you know, she's not in agood relationship with this guy.
So what happens is he finds thephone number off of Holly
Williams' phone right, because,remember, he uses a fake name.
Eric Mondes is a fake name.
Well, he ends up finding out,tracing this phone number Chris
back to the automotive company,and that's when he gets his real
name yeah, and you know, I knowwe have talked about this too,
(08:31):
and that's where I have troublewith this said being.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
I'll say trouble.
But the extorting the money,the affair, the supposedly
number I it, the more and morewe talk about this, leads me to
believe that she is, was somehowinvolved in this extortion
attempt.
To that there was no numberfound, that you know, obviously
used a fake name.
(08:57):
If they were hanging out, maybeit slipped out what he actually
did for a living and, um, youknow, yeah, knowing this and the
boyfriend knowing they couldbuild this guy out of some money
true, yes, um, I will say Icouldn't find in any of my
research.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Now, I'm sure the court documents the court, you
know the actual reports mightsay something a little
differently, but none of this ofthese messages were coming from
her right, no, I know, but I'msaying was he an abusive
domestic violence boyfriend andthen real, you know, and then
wants to cause some problems andmaybe she told him I think he
(09:38):
has money.
I mean, we don't know right, wedon't know the conversation,
but we know that he found out hehad money I'm not denying the
abuse.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I'm just saying that you know they're just because it
came from his phone.
Doesn't mean anything, because Ithink it makes it look more
legitimate if he's getting theinformation from her well no, no
, but portraying that he'ssomehow angered by this whole
thing that's right it could havebeen just to set up from the
get-go, because maybe at somepoint, even from the initial
visit, knowing this guy'straveling here, I mean I I still
(10:07):
find that the more likelyscenario, because I mean what
you're suggesting is.
I mean we joke when we say thewhole pretty woman thing but I
mean like, was this a hookerwith a heart?
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I mean they just fall in love and meet, or something
like that Well, I mean, shedidn't try to do this before
when she met with him?
Well, I know, and that's partof her job is an escort to
accompany men with money, not toframe them right.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
This guy had money an $8 million home Okay, that's a
lot of money, yeah, and I canprobably guarantee that that
wasn't her typical clientele,and so you never know.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
That could have been the setup and kind of the
rope-a-dope and and bringing himin a little bit closer to um
kind of establish thatrelationship.
You know, I don't know, I'm,I'm, I'm, yeah, just telling you
the way I'm leaning on this.
But yes, let's continue.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Sorry to digress well , I mean, you're right, landway
is the one sending the messages,but the phone number came from
her phone right, no, so that'swhat I'm saying, you know did he
do his own research and findout exactly who he was.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
That is what police are saying no, no, no, I'm
saying it could have come fromher phone yeah she could have
just provided.
I mean, we don't, she couldjust provide it from he, she
could have just given it to him.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean right you know what, what sort of uh that
could be her story right orcould have you know, I mean like
not her story, but I mean I'mjust saying like obviously
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around to tell that story, butthat could have been kind of how
they set it all up, lostcontrol of the car and crashed.
But they were actually killedbecause and really a larger plot
of Maughan's effort tobasically cover up this affair
with Holly Williams.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Well, and I'm sorry Because of the exposure, just to
go back to that too, thiswoman's an escort.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
That's right.
Why is he all of a suddenPart-time escort, part-time
esthetician, sudden part-timeescort, part-time part-time,
part-time escort?
But why?
Speaker 2 (12:13):
is he all the sudden upset because she's seeing this
one guy, you know?
I mean like she sees men on theside.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
We don't even know that.
If that's the case, though, Iknow how do we know that this is
the first time we don't?
Speaker 2 (12:24):
no, I know, I'm just you have a piece of shit.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Who's going out with a woman, who meets men with
money?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
and you have people who do bad things and he doesn't
care about her, clearly no, Iknow so he's trying to ruffle
the feathers maybe for her,maybe for eric mond, probably
for both this could be also anum, a tandem of sorts, you know
maybe this is something they do,but anyways, let's continue.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
All right.
So, due to these threats thathe had received from William
Lanway, eric Mond decides to dosomething about this.
So he's being blackmailed,right, he's being extorted.
This guy wants $150,000 to keephis mouth shut or he's going to
expose Eric Mond to his wife,to his business, to everyone in
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Austin.
So he ends up getting in touchwith someone who owns.
Now this person lives in Austin, he owns a company formerly
known as Speartip Enterprisesand basically Chris.
Their job is to respond toextortion demands.
You have security professionalswho do surveillance, who find
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out about the extortion, whereit's coming from.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Typically, too, if you're being extorted, this
guy's trying to keep this quiet,obviously.
So that's what's also too.
I have to look more at thiscompany.
But even too, we're talkingabout this like they deal with
extortion attempts, but that'sright, legitimate extortion
attempts.
You probably would go to theauthorities, and these guys are
kind of working under the radar,so where they're going out of
the country, stuff well, thatwas the plan no, I know, and
(14:07):
that's what's so strange, thatwe have a company that deals
with that.
You know like yeah, becauseyou're working outside the
outside the law that's right youknow, well, that was the whole
plan.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
And this guy who ends up pleading guilty because he
runs this company.
He actually says that the ideawas to have security and
professionals basicallysurveillance these people that
were trying to extort and then,once they had the information,
that's when they take it toauthorities and tell the
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authorities what's happening andthen put it in their hands.
But we know that that didn'tactually happen.
The day that Mond startedreceiving these threats is the
day that he reached out to GladPalais, who owned this company.
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After Mond enlisted the aid of Pallet, he was
connected, chris, to BrianBrockway and Adam Carey.
So these two guys are workingbasically under, I'm going to
say, in this sort of securitygroup.
They're both ex-military.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
They're operatives.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
They're operatives and so these guys are now all
connected to what Eric Mond istrying to do.
Now, eric Mond wanted thevictims, like I said, they were
going to put surveillance onthem.
Now, on March 12th, they putthe plan into action.
So, chris, these securityprofessionals which are these
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two guys right who are nowconvicted murderers, brian
Brockway and Adam Carey Brockwaytells Pillay, why don't we just
kill them, like now?
We know who they are, what'shappening, let's just go ahead
and take care of this and getall of the money right.
No need to go to police.
So the guy, galad Palay, whowas going to try to do the right
(17:40):
thing by running this businessand then giving the information
to the authorities, he says henow looks back and completely
regrets listening to these guysand not doing what he had
intended to do, which wasencourage Eric Maughan to go to
police with this information.
But, chris, you know whathappens when they go to police
(18:02):
it's still going to get out.
I think Eric Maughan knew this.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
That's why I think that was never the intention and
that's why I don't buy thatwhole story too, that he was
talked into it.
It seems just so fishy, becauseyou don't need to hire a
private team to go surveilcriminals in another state.
You would contact the Tennesseeauthorities.
That's right.
That so-and-so is trying toextort money out of me.
(18:27):
This guy had a lot to lose bydoing that, of course, but I
just personally, that justsounds fishy.
This guy's an ex-Massad agent,an ex-Israeli defense force
soldier.
Massad is equivalent to the CIAhere in the United States.
That is, an organization thattargets people for termination.
(18:51):
So that's kind of what they do,it's.
It just seems very unlikely.
I'm sure he's saying that nowbecause his butt sitting in jail
over all this.
So I guess it is easy to youknow, I also, and I have
hindsight, of course but yeah, Ialmost.
I just feel like to to sendthese people to another state.
You know, this guy was tryingto do this, do this quietly,
(19:13):
keep this under the radar, and Imean I don't know, apparently,
people with $8 million homes canfind companies like this and
this can happen all the time.
But it doesn't lead to goodthings, for sure.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
That's right.
And Brockway and Carey actuallygo to Nashville and start
watching these people a few daysbefore they're actually killed
and start watching these peoplea few days before they're
actually killed.
Now they're armed and theyconfront Holly Williams and
William Lanway in the parkinglot of Holly Williams's
apartment complex.
So we know that because of herphone calls to police that he
was actually living with her atthe time.
(19:43):
So they find both of them thereand they immediately kill
William Lanway.
They shoot him multiple timesat the apartment complex and
then they kidnap Holly Williamsand drive her with the body of
William Landway in the car to aconstruction site in Nashville,
(20:04):
chris.
They murder her there and thenthey discard the bodies and
leave them in the car and makeit look like an accident.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Well, that's why I wonder too, why was she a target
?
And then they discard thebodies and leave them in the car
and make it look like anaccident.
Well, that's why I wonder too,why was she a target?
You know what?
And also, what sort of evidencedid they have?
Just because somebody calls youon the phone, say they know
you're cheating on your wife?
Whatever, they would have tohave some evidence, right,
videos, something text messages.
I mean, is there?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, they had emails .
Speaker 2 (20:31):
They had emails from oh yeah, so, and this is once
again why I think she playedpart in this, because you know,
suddenly, now he he's able toget into her phone.
He has her password for acomputer, all these things.
I think too this may have beenwhy she became a target as well
too, because I mean, maybe thisguy you know, guy you know,
maybe mon thought she wasinvolved to some degree well,
(20:53):
and you have to think heprobably didn't trust her right,
so he's probably not going togo to her and go.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
I mean, maybe he did.
Maybe he did send a messageabout like what's happening,
what's going on.
I just don't know if he wouldhave even taken that chance any
longer or did this guy presentthat we are extorting you too?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
You know who knows.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
So, according to the indictment, mond wired more than
$750,000 to an account.
Basically, that is for themoney to kill these people.
That's a lot of bread.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's a lot of money .
All the cases we've done whereyou've had murder for hires and
they're getting five or tengrand.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I know $750,000.
$750,000.
It's a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
That's too why I think you know, mr Pallad was
that was the intention, because,even so, just a private
investigator you're going to golook at somebody else.
I mean, that's an ungodlyamount of money.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, he was probably getting that money for finding
these two guys and actuallytaking care of them.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I mean, that's what I mean, and you think about all
the stories we've done, thepeople that have found people to
go murder somebody and end upgetting caught, and the measly
amount of cash you know they're.
Clearly these people are doingit right.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I don't know well, the charges come down on them in
december of 2021, um.
The indictment followed in julyof 2022.
So brian brockway and adamcurie were convicted on all
charges.
So they did go to trial andthey were actually in their
charges, Chris.
They included the kidnappingresulting in death and
conspiracy to commit kidnapping.
(22:33):
So Mond was found not guilty ofthe kidnapping resulting in the
death because he wasn't thereRight Now, in December of 2022,
Pallet pled guilty to threecharges after he was indicted.
All four men were charged inthe connection to the kidnapping
and murder of WilliamsonLandway, but he basically pled
(22:56):
guilty, so he ended up not goingto trial.
Now, although Mond wasacquitted of the kidnapping, his
co-defendants were not Carrieand Brockway.
All three still face amandatory life sentence under
the federal murder for hireresulting in death statute.
So he didn't cross lines, buthe hired someone that had to
(23:18):
cross state lines and commit acrime.
So because of that, he willalso be held accountable for the
federal murder for hire deathstatute which would then?
give him life in prison.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And what led police to just weed up.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
We just don't know, right um, I probably they, um I
mean like they staged, like youknow, staged to look like a
wreck.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
What was the advantage as opposed to just
taking these people and dumpingthem in a body of water?
Um, you know I mean becausewould that have led back to
Maude too, if they went throughher laptop and all of her
belongings?
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Oh, they did Like he was actually arrested coming
back from a hunting trip, sothey were definitely watching
him and observing.
I mean, they connected itpretty quickly, but I think they
weren't able to actually makean arrest until later.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
That's just what you wonder.
That must have been the reasonfor trying to establish that
there was some sort of anaccident and still so they would
find the bodies.
Versus.
That's right, because clearlythere had to be, because I mean,
there had been a lot ofevidence to eventually lead back
to him in some form or fashion,if she disappeared and this
other guy disappeared.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
Of course.
Well, you have, oh yeah,because, well, when they find
out who they are, then they'llget.
So if they don't have cellphones, well, they'll subpoena
the records to find out whothey're communicating with.
I mean, that's the first thingthey do is who are these people
talking to?
Who doesn't like them?
Who would want them dead?
(24:50):
So they start finding all thisand then they start finding the
emails and then they start kindof just piecing this all
together.
But I think for this case, youknow, I mean it was almost what
three and a half years later,when the trial was over, right,
when they had been convicted andit was over.
So it was three and a halfyears, and then that indictment
came.
You know, we're talking about12 to 14 months really trying to
piece things together and thenthe arrest is made.
So you know, I think theywanted to be sure I mean you had
(25:13):
, by the way, these defendantsleft Texas.
I mean one was found, I think,in the Carolinas, the other one
was found in another state, soyou know, and they had a rental
car that they got rid of, the innashville.
So I think it really just tooksome piecing together, um on
this, because when police cameon the scene.
(25:34):
That's exactly what they thinkthey're looking at, obviously,
until they realize these, thesevictims had gunshot wounds,
right.
So that's really when they'regoing.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They're murdered, right, they got murdered for for
what they paid, what he paidpaid for that to lead back to
him.
These must have been somereally dumb assassins.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, they are.
Well, I wouldn't call themintelligent assassins.
I would not even say that thiswas even assassin-like.
You leave the bodies in openplain sight.
No, but that's something youwould do to stage that.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I'm saying probably for his sake, that was the wise
thing to do.
And it just really interestinghow it just because I mean even
so, just because he had Well,digital footprint is a bitch and
people think they can get ridof things, and they can't.
So no, but these guys had noties to this couple.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
No.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
At all.
No, so they had.
The only ties to their couplewas any sort of communication
that Mond had with both that'sright, both of the deceased,
that's right.
So I mean you know, it's likeyou know, that's what's just so
bizarre about this.
Like I mean, that's a lot ofmoney he could have attempted to
(26:47):
pay.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
I think you're dealing with people who grand.
I mean, you know, like in okay,but you have money, so you're
not gonna go do that.
No, I know.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I'm just saying, like when you think about it like,
um, just I don't know how itit's so you're saying because he
paid a lot of money they shouldhave gotten away with it of
course yes, I would, I wouldthink if it's $750,000,.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
you can get away with a murder, okay, but you're
dealing with somebody whodoesn't know how much money
needs to be paid for someone tobe killed and doesn't care
because he's worried about hisreputation.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
People pay a lot less and get away with these things,
so that's just kind of.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, to me you company, that's the irony.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, we don't know if it's legitimate.
We really don't know.
Well.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
I mean it was considered a business in Austin.
That doesn't mean anything Imean, but he wasn't like an
assassin going around killingpeople.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
But these guys, could have been, you know I mean you
think about all the contractorsthat were working in Iraq after
the war.
I mean basically those guys aremercenaries.
There were private companies,private security firms, that
were hiring people that wereex-military to go and secure
things.
All kinds of bad stuff happenedwith that and so, yeah,
essentially you kind of arehiring mercenaries to go do this
(27:54):
, and so when you think aboutthat and just the, it's just
kind of ironic that this guywent to this.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Well, and I think it's like the whole rental car
thing, and then they realizedthat they're using this app I
think it was called like Pingeror Pinged or something so they
could all like stay connectedand where they were in Nashville
, and so I think they probably,like you almost, wonder you
almost wonder if he turned onthem, though, to lead back to
those two guys, because I stillwonder.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I know they rented a car there, yeah that's, but the
cops would never know.
People rent cars every day.
Something had to have led themback to these two gentlemen, and
you almost wonder.
This guy rolled on the otherdefendants yeah, I'm sure he did
.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
I mean, he took a plea deal.
That's what I mean.
I was trying to wrap my headaround how they were able to
even locate these oh yeah, noyeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Because they did the right thing, because that's how
a lot of people get caught.
I mean, let's face it, peopleget ratted on all the time.
I bet he ratted and that's howit happened.
He probably said oh, I heard.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
Well, yeah, because he wasn't there to actually kill
, right.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I hired them to just go find them and surveil them,
and and locate them so theycould go give the information to
you guys.
I think that's the biggestbullshit story in the world, and
so yeah.
I think he's.
He's probably the reason thatyou know, cause he wasn't going
to go down for it by himself ortry to say that he was not.
You know, obviously he'scomplicit in it, but that that
(29:22):
wasn't I thought to.
To me, I think that's where thestory comes from, as far as the
whole murder thing.
Well, they try to talk me intoit.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah, and really Eric Mond.
I think it really was theemails.
They started following him inAustin, I think, within not a
very long period of time afterthis, Probably more often than
you know, because if you thinkabout it did, uh.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Our highland park black widow used to do this all
the time that's right sleep withmen and extort them for money
that's right and there's moviesabout this.
52 pickup is a great one.
That's elmore linder novel.
Obviously it's fiction buthappens all the time.
You know this this boyfriendcould have been a pimp of some
sorts and they knew they hadthis guy on the hook, you know,
(30:06):
and so maybe that's somethingthey did.
Listen, this is a crazy worldwe live in.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I was just telling you about all these deadly
affairs and all of these showsthat are literally.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
This is not an affair .
I still don't feel like this isan affair.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
I think this guy thought he was, but you have to
think of Eric Mons' family Right.
That would have been considered.
This guy thought he was, butyou have to think of Eric Mons
family right.
No, that's why that would havebeen considered an affair,
that's why he was hiring anescort.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
though If you don't, if you, if you're going and
having an affair, you're goingto have an emotional attachment
to this person.
That's right that person willhave an emotional attachment to
you.
This is different.
This is something you're payingsomebody for, sex.
They're not supposed to be anysort of connection.
(30:52):
We think, well, yeah, I'm just,I haven't confirmed that he was
actually paying for anything.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Oh, I'm quite sure, I'm sure he was footing some
bill, I'm pretty sure.
Let's, let's be honest, butyeah, so, but these were, you
know, they were convicted in acourt of law.
Whether she's an escort or not,chris, she doesn't get to have
to die, okay?
And so william lanway, you know, the nashville court said this
was a heinous crime that wasbrought on by somebody with
money and he thought he wassmart enough to hire people to
(31:18):
get rid of them.
And we talk about this all thetime 750 grand, Like why not
just pay the 150?
And you said because thenthey'll ask for another 150, and
they'll ask for another 150.
And you might be right, butisn't there a better way?
Like that's where his mind went.
So to me, Eric Mond, you're notdealing with somebody who's
very intelligent, in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
You're kind of dealing with somebody.
I think he was told by thiscompany that they would, oh, you
pay that once, you'll pay itagain, sure.
And I'm not saying they deserveto die, and I'm also not saying
, because she was an escort,their, their butt should be
sitting in jail for trying toextort him.
Sure he just couldn't have gonethrough that that's right
because he's not smart enough toknow that if I pay them once,
I'll pay him again.
They're gonna keep asking formoney yeah that's just that's.
(32:01):
You should have that commonsense.
And I guarantee somebody saidyou know I'm not putting words
in this, uh, bled's mouth, butyou know I mean yeah oh well,
sir, if you do that, they'regonna come there.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
If they know you'll pay 150 once, you'll pay 150
again right, which is why Ithink he reached out to him in
the first place.
I'm not even sure he actuallyreached out to him to have them
killed in the first place, rightfact that he had 750 000000
petty cash that would gounnoticed.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
to transfer to another account means this guy
had a shit ton of money, okay.
I know A shit ton of money Doyou don't have?
I mean to have that kind of.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Just the ability to move that kind of money, that
kind of cash up just in the bank.
I know we're talking aboutproperties.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's right, because a lot of people are very
wealthy that own properties andare not cash rich.
That's right.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
They're rich in other things.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Lots of people have that To be cash rich like that,
that is somewhat unheard of.
That's why I think too, somehowthis couple knew that this guy
had bread like this.
Oh sure, no, he did.
He realized who he was.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, I mean that's because remember he lied about
who he was and so it wasn'tuntil they that the boyfriend
find out who this guy really isand says you know what, maybe no
, I think he told, we're justgonna get.
I mean, this is an easy way forus to get money right.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I think he told her who he was and that's how the
boyfriend found out.
The boyfriend didn't just lookat a facebook photo and figure
out it's Eric Mondo.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
He traced the phone number back to the automotive
group.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
And that's how we figure out what his real.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
He used his real first name.
He just didn't use his reallast name.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
I'm just saying I think this girl's involved, I
think she, they think they setthe guy up, doesn't matter,
she's deceased.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
So whether she was involved or not I don't know,
but we know that she did havethe affair.
The boyfriend got the phonenumber, found out who this guy
was.
We know he was a terribleboyfriend because Holly Williams
called the police multipletimes before she was killed and
said that this guy was causingproblems for her too.
I'm sure in the indictments andin the court records it will
(34:00):
say whether Holly actually was apart of these conversations
with Lanway.
But we do know that WilliamLanway those messages were being
sent to Eric from his phone,not Holly Williams' phone.
So because of that, how muchdid she know?
Was this guy just trying tokind of pull a fast one using
her contacts Because maybe she'strying to run a business?
(34:22):
I mean we just don't know right, because maybe she's trying to
run a business.
I mean we just don't know right, maybe you're right, maybe he
was her pimp, maybe this guy wasan abuser and she had gone back
to him over and, over and overand he was controlling.
I mean again, we're not evendealing.
You know we're dealing withpeople who aren't really
thinking any of this through onboth sides and unfortunately it
(34:45):
ends up.
You know these.
These two people were in their30s that were killed.
I mean, they, you know theirwhole lives ahead of them and
it's just, it's just a sad deal.
And you had a guy who hadenough money and wanted to get
rid of the problem because hewould rather do that than have
to face public scrutiny.
I mean, think about this.
He, his, the family, is highlyrespected in Austin and this
(35:08):
company has been around since1957.
So I can only imagine histhought of shame having to go
public with this.
I mean, I'm sure he thought,chris, his life would be over.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And people do extreme things right.
What I know is that justbecause this guy finds his phone
number on her phone, supposedlystill don't believe that that
there is no, even if he tracedit back and finds out a car
dealership he works at a cardealership or his name's on a
car dealership you still don'tknow that person has that kind
(35:43):
of money.
Okay, well, I'm just saying itjust takes a little Google
research.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, it doesn't.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I don't believe that.
No, but they don't know Googledoesn't know your bank accounts,
and so somehow this guy knewthat this guy had money.
And the only way, in my opinion, of how he would know that is
somehow she had to tell theboyfriend this guy's loaded.
And that's maybe she did, andthat's where I stand.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Maybe she already knew that, though I mean, so
that's why I mean he could havealready known that before the
first or second time they metthis wasn't the first time it
wasn't by just happenstance thatthis is the one guy that he
just so happens to confront andextort.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
You know that.
We know of that.
It just so happens to be a uberwealthy guy.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
So yes, he didn't just figure that out on his own?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
well, I don't think well I also don't think she knew
his true wealth.
Oh, I don't know, why would aguy who's hiring an escort.
Tell this woman everythingabout him because we, because
you know what rich people likethis guy probably like to brag
about shit like that maybe whothe f knows maybe guarantee he
was trying to butter up all thembiscuits with her and tell her
the whole story.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
True.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
So I got money, I'll do this.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
We don't know what happened behind closed doors.
I'll take you here, take youthere keep my little side piece.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Well, I'm just trying to paint my own little picture
over here.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah Well, these three have been, chris.
There is a motion to give themall a new trial.
We shall see what happens withthese cases.
Again, this happened in theNashville court, so we'll be
keeping an eye on this one.
Until next time, friends, staysafe, have fun and cheers to
(37:19):
next time.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Cheers.
Thank you, bye.
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