December 8, 2024 • 41 mins
What if a heated custody battle could lead to murder? Join us as we unravel the gripping tale of Craig Nail, whose promising life as a cybersecurity expert was tragically cut short in Frisco, Texas. Craig's journey from New York to Oregon, and eventually to Texas, was driven by his desire to be close to his daughter, a move that intertwined his fate with Elizabeth Guthrie. Their relationship, kindled in the early days of chatting over work computers, took a dark turn as legal battles over their child escalated into a deadly confrontation.
As tensions from a bitter custody dispute reached a boiling point, the aftermath left Elizabeth without her child and home, sparking a chain of events that culminated in Craig's murder on December 26th, 2007. We piece together that fateful night when Craig's girlfriend Teresa barely survived a brutal attack, and the ensuing police investigation that led to a chilling discovery. Elizabeth's alleged involvement in a murder plot with Mark Lyle Bell, whose DNA linked him to the crime scene, paints a complex picture of desperation, betrayal, and revenge.
The chaos that followed Craig's death unraveled swiftly, culminating in a capital murder trial that exposed the depths of Elizabeth's desperation. Through chilling accounts and law enforcement efforts, we explore the heartbreaking impact on Craig's daughters and the broader implications of unchecked anger. This episode offers a poignant reminder of the severe consequences of desperate choices, leaving their families forever altered.
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And I'm Chris.
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, the Murder of Craig Nail heyChris.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
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believe we shall.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
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some crime.
All right, Chris.
So tonight's case we are goingto be talking about the murder
of Craig Nail out of Frisco,Texas.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Now this is December 26th, christmastime, holiday
season.
People are sort of winding down.
I would say December 26th Iwould describe as like a winding
down day.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
One could hope to wind down yes, after.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Christmas.
After Christmas, you've beenwith family.
You know a lot of people aregoing out to dinner, going on
dates.
I always feel like it's kind oflike the day after Thanksgiving
.
People are still in town andvisiting, but they're done with
family, they're going to go seefriends.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
That's a good time to start kicking people out,
though.
Yes, that's a good time.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So Craig Nail's got some plans with his girlfriend
Teresa that night.
So we're going to talk aboutthat in just a minute.
But let's give a little bit ofbackground about Craig Nail that
would be best and where hecomes from, who he is and what
happened to him on this December26th date.
So back in let's go back.
So back in 1991, craig has adaughter.
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He ends up having a daughterwith his then-girlfriend.
He's from New York State, he'snot from Texas, even though this
happened in Texas.
Moved to Oregon correct, movedto Oregon to be closer to his
daughter.
Now he wasn't actually with themother anymore.
She didn't want to get married,they were just co-parenting,
(04:17):
raising the daughter.
But he was able to find work inOregon and he moves to Oregon.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
He works as an electrical engineer correct.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yes, I believe like cybersecurity more specifically,
but yes, so five years later,in 1996, craig is working via
chat room, right?
So you have different offices.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Like inter-office communication.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, inter-office communication.
So you start getting in theserooms and talking to other
colleagues around the world andhe ends up meeting a woman named
Elizabeth Guthrie.
He meets Elizabeth Guthrie inone of the chat rooms.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, I believe their companies were working together
.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yes, that's how they were developing this chatting.
Yeah, he sort of became like amentor to her and they were just
they would kind of findthemselves communicating daily
almost in these rooms Easy toaccess, right, Because you both
are working and have access tothis but then the ability to
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sort of start building thisfriendship outside of work.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, and mind you, let's clarify, these are not
like public chat rooms.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
That's right.
These are not.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's just a way to kind of in lieu of email.
If somebody's got to get amessage, they would usually have
the box open on their desktop.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
This is very common so like an instant chat.
I would kind of say right Likeinstant message.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It common so like an instant chat, I would kind of
say right like instant message,the equivalent in fact.
I I want to say that's what itwas used to be called instant
messenger.
Yeah, instant message, that'swhat I kind of like now people
use, like microsoft teams or hisemail.
You can either do one-to-onecollaborative or whatnot so this
was predating that, I wouldassume um, yeah, so within.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, chris, this is 1996.
1997.
Craig moves to te, moves toTexas.
So Elizabeth Guthrie is likefrom about two hours outside of
Frisco, so I would say maybeeven two or three hours, so up
near the Waco area, and sheconvinces him and he's ready to
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sort of pick up out of Oregonand move to Texas in 1997.
So he does that and they end upsettling down in Frisco and
Craig gets a job at McAfee, sothat's where he was working back
in 1997.
Very quickly after that,december 31st of 1997.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Before McAfee turned into the McAfee as we know now.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's correct.
December 31st of the same year,chris, they get married and
then in 2003, years later, shehas a baby.
She announces she's pregnantand then in 2001, the baby's
born.
So you have this couple whomeets quickly, moves quickly,
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marries quickly I wouldn't sayhave a baby quickly.
Three years went by, so I guessthey got to know each other a
little bit as they're startingtheir new life together.
But now you have a child in themix and what started to show
was basically their differencesin parenting styles.
They disagreed a lot on how toraise their child.
(07:25):
Now think, about this.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
She wasn't much into being a parent, from my
understanding and reading.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yes, and he was already a dad.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So not only just a dad, but a dad to another
daughter.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
They're young, but since he was already a father,
he kind of made that transitionfrom kind of being a young
knucklehead to, we'd say,responsible working towards
adulthood.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's right.
I mean, I think around thistime he was about 27, 28 years
old.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
She was very new to that game.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's right.
So I think he and he wasexcited to be a dad again and I
think things were okay.
I think they were trying tobuild a life together.
Things were okay.
I think they were trying tobuild a life together.
But just three years after thedaughter is born, there is a
huge blow up at the house.
There's an argument, there's afight, and it got so heated that
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she became physical with himand physically attacked him.
So she was punching him,scratching him and it, you know,
it was a full on fight betweenthese two.
So police are called, they comeout to the house, they see
Craig's injuries and they weregoing, they were ready to arrest
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her.
However, he decides that he'snot going to press charges and
claims that it's his fault.
Like maybe I should have just,I don't know maybe done what she
had asked me to do.
Is that how it works?
Well, it's not the first timewe've seen a man not press
charges against someone thatphysically assaults him, and I
(09:03):
think we always say this Chris,it's a man, right?
You guys?
You know there is this image ofmen that they're not affected
by women beating on them, and Ithink it's an illusion and I
think it's.
We do a disservice saying thatit doesn't matter if a woman
puts their hands on a man.
It does matter and it should bereported, because we can be
just as physical as men can.
(09:25):
Yeah, I think it matters itabsolutely matters.
So you know, I don't know, Ifthe tables were turned, would
she have?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
dropped these charges .
Usually a woman will hit a manbecause she thinks that the man
won't dare respond.
Of course, that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And then we see it escalate and then worse things
happen, right, including whathappens in this case.
All right, well, he does notpress charges and she ends up
coming home Now, between that,2004 and 2006,.
About summer of 2006,.
Chris, things are not goingwell, they're not meant, they're
still fighting, they're notreally mending or fixing
(10:02):
anything that they're dealingwith in this marriage and she is
ready to pull the plug.
So she actually files fordivorce in May of 2006.
He moves out and he gets anapartment.
They're sharing custody oftheir daughter.
She stays in the home but hequickly moves on.
In fact, I would say withinlike a month or two of leaving
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and getting his own apartment,he meets a woman by the name of
Teresa.
He meets her in a divorcesupport group at church.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Good place to look for single women.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, yes, and this guy is described as just a big
teddy bear.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You know, I think he was honestly trying to get some
support.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Oh my gosh.
Of course he was.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
They met.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yes, and he was absolutely there.
They had lots of conversations.
Definitely, you know he had thetwo girls.
He, you know he had his firstrelationship, you know, woman
still living in Oregon, and he'sgoing through what he's going
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through here in Texas.
Now Teresa, she's just sort ofa friendly ear right and they
start having really greatconversations and it kind of
goes to another level and theyend up dating up until he is
killed.
But they really were reallytrying to start a relationship.
She had met the girls butElizabeth didn't like this.
(11:38):
I mean, this is very soon aftershe's filing for divorce and I
think when people separate andsay you know, and and and again
go file for divorce, I don'tthink they always think about
you know getting in anotherrelation.
Chris, within, like I would sayI, within a 60 day period he had
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met another.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He's already letting her meet the girls.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
No, I wouldn't say then, but later on yeah.
But I mean he then, but lateron yeah.
But I mean he had met herwithin 60 days.
Doesn't really matter when shemet the girls, that's up to him.
What matters is that he'smoving on.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
No, no, no, I'm just saying from a standpoint of her
being upset because he's I thinkshe's just upset because she's
dating.
He's dating.
She doesn't have anything to dowith the one child but their
child between the two of them.
I mean that can anger somebodya little bit more.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I think that she knew early on, after she was
going to, when she said I'mdivorcing, you get out, that he
moved on and I just we alwayssee the tensions run high when
you have that kind of separation.
It's very fresh and it's stillhurtful.
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So my guess is that she didn'twant him dating anyone else and
he, well, is going on with hislife.
So in June of 2006, ChrisElizabeth, so this is what I'm
saying.
This happened so quicklybetween June, july August.
So this is what I'm saying.
This happens so quickly betweenJune, July August.
She's basically trying toconvince a psychiatrist and
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therapist because she is goingwith her daughter.
She's basically trying toconvince them that there is some
physical abuse happeningbetween Craig and their daughter
.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
In an effort to get back at him.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
In an effort to get back at him and they end up
doing a full investigation onthis.
She's making false claims.
What we now know are falseclaims.
So they looked at this between,I would say, when she started
talking about this in the summerof 2006.
Now we go all the way into thesummer of 2007.
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2006.
Now we go all the way into thesummer of 2007.
And that summer, going intosummer of 2007, chris, a judge
grants Craig temporary custodyof the child.
And not only that.
The judge tells her you got toget out of the house.
He's getting the house back andhe's getting the child.
So Elizabeth ends up moving outand she I mean, that's that.
(14:09):
I mean, think about that.
Court systems don't like this.
They don't like when you makefalse accusations, especially
about child abuse, and you'retrying to convince a therapist.
And they basically said thereis no viable information, there
is no viable evidence that thisguy did anything wrong.
So the judge says you know what?
You're out.
He's not only getting the house, he's getting the child.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I applaud that judge.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
He's not only getting the house, he's getting the
child.
I applaud that judge, yeah.
And so now we see this sort of,I would say, stewing Boy.
Was she mad before trying toconvince a therapist that he was
abusing their daughter?
But now she's real mad.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
She lost everything and now she's alone.
So from about May to Decemberof 2007,.
This is now brewing andstirring.
She is childless and kicked outof her home.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
She's kind of lucky they didn't bring up, you know,
have charges of her making afalse accusation.
I mean, it's a lot to take awayfrom someone you know because
it very well that he he I don'tknow that he was arrested or not
, but I mean certainly policehave to be involved if you're
making accusations.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh my gosh Of molesting their child.
So yeah, I think I'm sure hewas under supervised visitation.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm sure there was a lot of other things.
If you reported something thatwas false and knowingly did it,
you could go to jail?
Well, I mean think about it,but you know you could go to
jail.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, I mean, think about it.
The charges started almost inthe fall of 2006.
And this decision did not comeuntil May of 2007.
So you know that this was amonths and months and months
long investigation and courtbattle and really like the
resources that were used forthis false allegation.
They don't like it, theyweren't happy about it, they
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took everything away from herand now she's alone, chris.
She ends up moving with arelative to Dallas and she
starts bar hopping, she startsmeeting different people.
She's sort of creating this newlifestyle, I guess about
herself, kind of going into thisbiker world, I don't know,
maybe just trying to move on.
I think she at this timeprobably had supervised
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visitation.
I don't think at this point shewas seeing the child and
keeping her alone and by herself, and keeping her alone and by
herself.
So you see Elizabeth Guthriesort of trying to live this new
life but still trying to be inher daughter's life.
So this is now December, leadingup to December of 2017.
(16:49):
Now Craig is killed on December26th, december 25th and
December 24th, a few days before, teresa and Craig are
celebrating their Christmas withCraig's daughter Kristen.
Now before that, I believe onDecember 23rd, craig had decided
to send his oldest daughterback to Oregon.
(17:11):
So, chris, she was here.
He decided to send her back,spend Christmas with her mother,
and then Teresa and him spentChristmas Eve basically had
their Christmas with his otherdaughter, and then Elizabeth
picks Kristen up from Craig andtakes her to visit Elizabeth's
mother, sherry Guthrie and Chris.
(17:32):
This is so now Craig Nell'salone.
Okay, he's going to be at thehouse alone.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, and I think leading up to this probably had
supervised visits, so you knowif he had full custody.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yes, I don't know that she had.
I mean, you have to wonder howthe court he did this out of the
goodness of his heart.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's what I mean.
But as far as her, there had tohave been some sort of scenario
that she's seen her before thisright.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
What do you mean she's?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
seen her before.
Well, if he has full custody,that means it's not typical
visitation, so it always has tobe his choice when she goes and
stays with him.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That's right.
He decided that he.
Elizabeth asked him if I cankeep her right and have her for.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Christmas.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And that's why they celebrated December 24th,
because out of the goodness ofhis heart, that's still the
mother and he wanted to give heran opportunity to spend
Christmas with her at the mom's.
And it was going to be at hermother's house, and so maybe a
piece of him thought I don'twant to deprive my child of her
mom and the family, and so it'sChristmas, I'm going to let her
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go.
So that's what he does, andthis is December 26.
Now, around 7.30 pm, Teresaarrives at Craig's house and
they're ready to go out for adate.
So we talked about this Dayafter Christmas.
Kids are gone.
Family, you're finished, You'reready to.
You know, you're ready to gohave a night out.
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So this is what they're goingto do.
Teresa walks into the garage,goes into the garage door and
then to the door that leads intothe home.
So she will say that she leftthe garage door open because
they were leaving.
She was only going to be inthere a few minutes.
She walks into the kitchen andthere she meets Craig Nail in
the kitchen.
So they're talking, just havinga brief, brief discussion.
(19:27):
When he opens the pantry and weknow this because this is what
she ends up telling police thatCraig is like in the pantry.
So he has the door open, so shecan't see his face at this
point.
She can only see the door.
His face is inside.
So she looks up and she sees aman standing there.
She hears something, she turnsaround.
She has her purse on hershoulder, she is looking at this
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man and she just freezes andshe's watching him.
She will tell police there wassomething in his hand and she
thought it was a bat, but shewasn't really sure.
So she just kind of froze anddidn't say anything.
And the next thing, you know,the guy raises his hand up and
says bang, Shoots her once, hitsher between the eyes, shoots
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her in the head.
Craig Nell clearly hears this,you know peeks his head out, you
know whatever, jumps out andthen immediately the gun is
turned on him and Craig Nail isshot.
So the assailant then pointsthe gun back at Teresa, fires
again, hits her in the arm.
(20:31):
And then that's when Craig Nailis going to go upstairs because
he has fully loaded weapons inhis closet.
So, Chris, at this pointthere's a person in the house
shooting them and he is tryingto get to his weapons.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, and we believe the reason his weapon looked
like a bat was that he hadwrapped cloth or something.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I mean it was, put it in a plastic water bottle and
then taped the water bottle.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, because it was a very small caliber gun with a
22.
Very much lower report.
So to try to, I'll say, silenceit, but suppress a very loud
report by doing that.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And we know Teresa actually survives this encounter
and you thought that maybe thereason possibly of Because she
shot in the head I mean that's a, that's typically a fatal wound
it was a small caliber, but hewas far away.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It was.
It is a small bullet.
Usually it's a great choice ofassassins because it doesn't
make a lot of noise, but usuallyit's something that's up close.
You know, the front part ofyour cranium is rather dense and
thick, and so it is possiblewhy it kind of you know, I won't
say ricocheted but didn'tpenetrate bounced off a little
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more or less.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, so he does use something on the end of his gun.
After he shoots Teresa for thesecond time, craig Nail's.
Headed upstairs A salientfollows Craig Nail.
At this point Teresa knows shehas to get out of the house.
So she runs out of the frontdoor, gets to a neighbor's house
and that neighbor is the onethat calls 911.
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Now the neighbor is saying toyou know, I have someone over
here.
They're bleeding.
She says her boyfriend is stillin the home.
Teresa, will you know she hearsgunshots.
She doesn't know if Craignell'salive, dead.
So at this point police knowthey're reporting.
(22:30):
You know they are going to ahome with an intruder who has
been, who is shooting people.
So they are taking precaution.
They don't know if the personis still in there, they don't
know what they're going to find.
So they arrive, they aretreating Teresa.
She's immediately airlifted toParkland for emergency surgery.
She will end up spending 10days in the hospital, um after
(22:53):
um, to treat her injuries.
Police go into the home.
They find the cotton that had.
Well, they weren't sure what itwas, but they're.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
What it looked like was just cotton kind of thrown
everywhere in the kitchen areajust stuff, cotton and I guess
enough like so plastic, yeah, aplastic bottle on the barrel so
you know this, this is Christmastime.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
They don't know if there's been a party here and
something's gone wrong.
They know that.
You know, at this point CraigNail is still upstairs, so they
haven't found him yet.
There's bullet casings found inthe kitchen.
There is more evidence thatthey actually find leaving out
of the back door and into thealley, there's a beer can that
they will end up using forevidence.
(23:36):
Um, there's also, you know,they can just tell someone has
been there and then left thepremises.
Um, they find blood leading outthe door which they know
belonged to Teresa now, but thenthey see blood going up the
stairs and that is when, um,they find Craig Nail in his
closet with two weapons near him.
He's been shot 10 times andthose were his weapons, so he
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was trying to get to them, gotto them, but he was killed.
Okay, so after this, teresa istaken to Parkland Hospital where
she has surgery, and they arewanting to know what happened.
You know what happened here.
Who was going to do this?
Well, they end up finding outthat Elizabeth is with her
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mother and their daughter.
So police contact her and tellher about what happened to Craig
Nail.
And you know she's visiblyupset.
She doesn't know who would dothis.
Well, chris, just two days latera guy— and she has an alibi.
She has an alibi, yep, she hasan alibi.
But two days later someonewalks into the police department
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saying that he needs to talk tothem.
So this has been now on thenews, right, and it's being
reported on.
So this guy shows up.
He's an ex-boyfriend ofElizabeth Guthrie Nail, and he
basically tells the police thatElizabeth had approached him
about killing Craig.
(25:03):
He tells detectives thatElizabeth had this big elaborate
plan to lure him out of thegarage, had this big elaborate
plan to lure him out of thegarage.
There would be no alarm.
You know, she would make surethat.
You know that it was all readyfor him.
So there was a warrant put outfor Elizabeth and issued for
(25:25):
solicitation of murder.
So this is pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
We had discussed too, like why didn't he say anything
, um, which I kind of felt likeI think a lot of people don't
want to go to the police,something like that, a lot of
people are not super big fans ofthem, and so does that also
implicate him into some sort ofyou know, if something were to
happen, is then he going to belooked at or whatnot?
But I guess, since he saw thatit had already occurred, maybe
he felt like it's um, he knew hewas kind of in the free and
(25:50):
clear to bring this up to policeattention, although it is kind
of crappy that he said nothingabout it until after the fact.
But yeah, I think that'sprobably one of the big reasons
just doesn't want to getinvolved doesn't want to get
involved.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And you don't, you know, I don't know you most
people who we've either seentestify in court or say that
someone approached them aboutkilling someone and then that
person ends up dead.
They end up saying well, youknow what.
It was mentioned to me and thereason they give typically of
why they didn't go to policewith that information right away
is that they didn't think theywere serious.
(26:24):
That's typically the answer.
Well, they asked me.
But who really would go throughwith something like that?
And that's typically why peopledon't go and say anything.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But you should go and say something.
I think she did have a littlebit deeper plan.
You know, I mean, I think thatmeant to me.
I mean it gives more indicationthat she's something that she
really wants to follow throughwith, versus somebody just
uttering.
I wish that person was dead,you know.
Yeah, I don't know when you goas far as asking somebody if
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they'd be willing to killsomebody for you, I would say
that's you've already crossedthe line of whether or not you
want it to happen or not.
Or just being some sort ofsomething you say.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well, and I think at this point too, it's like I
don't even know if police arethinking that.
I think they're, I think theyreally, early on, know that
Craig was the intended target,right, because why follow him
upstairs if you're there forTeresa, true?
So I think that's why theybelieved this so quickly and I
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think this is why they were ontoher so fast is for that reason
because there was no forcedentry, right.
He walks into the garage andinto the house.
So they were kind of puzzled onwho would just come in and do
this to a couple the day afterChristmas.
And so when they come, when youhave someone come forward and
say you know, they have toinvestigate it.
But they were pretty certainthat they have their person and
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their motive.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I would think too, based on her previous history
with him too, that she would besomebody that would be a person
of interest, just based on themotive in and of itself that you
know, she went from having thechild to losing custody,
accusing him of this wrongdoingthat was turned out to be
completely false.
And so I imagine, you know,even if this guy had not showed
up at the police station, shewould have been looked at pretty
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quickly, pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Neighbors.
They are pretty good witnessesto some of this stuff because
they are asked some questionsabout what was?
You know, anything in theneighborhood you noticed was off
.
It's holidays.
Sometimes the neighborhoods arekind of quiet.
Did you notice anyone out ofplace?
Well, a few of the reports fromthe neighbors said that they
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saw kind of some strangevehicles that were kind of going
in and out.
However, there was one vehiclethat stuck out to them and that
was a black pickup truck withblue flames drawn on it.
That's very distinctdescription.
They, you know it's probablynot hard to find this vehicle.
(28:59):
It ends up not being very hardto find this vehicle, but they
don't have a person where.
Why, how?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
and where to look, but all they have is a car
description that doesn't go onyour registration.
But yeah when you're just kindof driving around, a blue flame
truck sticks out much easierthan a white Camry.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yes, so this is all.
Police are investigating Teresa.
They want to talk to Teresa,but she is.
She has not been released atthis point for surgery.
So when Elizabeth is arrested,she actually makes bail, she
actually makes bail and they arelooking and investigating her,
but for right now she actuallymakes bail.
She actually makes bail andthey are looking and
investigating her, but for rightnow she's out.
(29:37):
But they end up looking a littlebit further into this and here
comes another person that callsthe police department and says
they have some information.
This woman's name is Carol andshe is a friend of Elizabeth's
and she basically tells themthat Elizabeth confessed to her,
that she did this to Craig.
She told.
(29:59):
Well, what she actually says isthat she knows basically who
did it, but that she didn't planit.
It wasn't her that actuallyplanned it, it was another group
of people, but she had someevidence and that Craig was
abusing their daughter.
(30:19):
And so she's telling Carol allof these things and she actually
wants her to hide some evidence.
So she ends up confiding inthis woman.
And not only that.
I think, if I read the reportscorrectly, when she went to
carol's house she like pattedher down just in case she was
wired.
(30:39):
So it's like she, I don't know.
Did she just want to get it offher chest?
Was she just trying to?
I don't know.
But she ends up telling thiswoman everything and the woman
ends up just calling police andtelling them everything you know
you women like to talk.
We do, but I guess you shouldjust remember who you're talking
to, because Carol was not goingto keep the secret for her.
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So, chris, this is in January.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
We learned a lot of things that probably should have
been discarded, that she stillclung to in this case.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, and I mean this is like happening so quickly.
I mean this murder happens theDecember 26th, you know she
early on, I mean within themonth of January.
They already have, you know,elizabeth arrested and out on
bail.
They've already had two peoplecome into police and tell them
that they know that she wasinvolved and then they end up in
(31:30):
January of 2008,.
They OK, let me back up for asecond.
When Elizabeth Guthrie wasarrested, they, when she made
bail, this basically opened upthe door for them to get more
search warrants and find outmore information about to pin
this on her.
Ok, so they end up uncoveringseveral cell phones at her
(31:53):
mother's house where she wasstaying.
One of those cell phones endsup being a cell phone they
traced to a Walmart in McKinney.
So when they got that ping Likea pay-per-minute phone.
Pay-per-minute phone where youcan add minutes, right?
Yes, so they put somesurveillance footage on this
(32:14):
Walmart once they figured outwhere the phone came from and
then so any if someone were togo back in and reload this phone
they would get.
The police would be notified,and that's exactly what happens.
So someone goes in to the sameWalmart and they on surveillance
, you see a black pickup truckwith blue flames.
(32:35):
So at this point they know, andfour days later they arrest
Mark Lyle Bell.
Mark Lyle Bell is picked up andbrought in for questioning.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Now he admits to knowing Elizabeth but never had
met Cragnail.
Well, for the record, a burnerphone is meant to be burned.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yes, not reloaded.
You use it and get rid of it,and that's that.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So this could start to fall under the category of
world's dumbest criminals?
Yes, however, this could startto fall into the category of
world's dumbest criminals.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
However, we will proceed.
So basically, they met becausehe helped change attire for her
while she was living in Frisco.
Okay, this is how they meet.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Broken down the side of the road.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't know, but that's how they meet.
They end up keeping in touch.
This is not an affair.
This is not any sort ofrelationship between these two.
He's much older than her.
He's older than her.
Yep, there was nothing sexualgoing on here that I'm aware of.
It just seemed like she wastelling him that this man was
(33:34):
abusing their daughter and heneeded to help her get rid of
him, and I think that that'swhat convinced him to kill Craig
Nail.
Mark Lyle Bell would not havekilled him any other, otherwise
right.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You would have had to have done some convincing and
really convinced him to that thefather was really a bad guy.
Yeah, yeah, and in fact hewasn't.
But yes, for somebody to go tothose extremes, to kind of be
her savior.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
And speaking of savior.
When the police found the phonethen and the reason that they
were suspicious is because ithad the initials GA and then
guardian angel is what theyended up finding that the person
was being called a guardianangel and not using the real
name.
So at the end of all of thisinterrogation, chris, they put
him under arrest for the murderof Craig Nail.
(34:26):
Sherry Guthrie, elizabeth'smother, will tell police some
information within just a fewdays of this arrest.
So she basically tells policethat she's kind of afraid of her
daughter and believes that shewas involved in the plot and
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murder of Craig Nail.
Her mother tells police MarkLyle Bell had driven her and
Elizabeth to their cabin, to acabin outside of Denton, and
this was right after Elizabethwas out on bail and they were
talking about Craig's murder.
(35:09):
Elizabeth was upset that Teresadid not die and she had wished
that Mark was a better shot.
Now I said thank goodness hesent his older daughter back to
Oregon.
When he did, maybe who knowswhat told him to do this because
he ended up just making thedecision to send her back to
(35:30):
Oregon because the direct orderfrom Elizabeth Guthrie was
Probably to spend time with hermom too.
I know, but I mean, that's thething.
It's like, thank God he did.
That's not two hours away,that's states away.
He put her on a plane, she wenthome, but the order from
Elizabeth Guthrie was to killeveryone in the house.
So if his older daughter wouldhave been there, the order was
(35:52):
also to take her life.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So, thankfully, there were no children in there,
because you wonder, why too?
Why would Craig not have beenthe only target?
If he was the bad guy and therewas this convincing that he was
the bad guy why on earth wouldhe go as far as to kill or
attempt to kill Teresa, as wellas the daughter, the older
daughter?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Well, Elizabeth did not want any witnesses.
She didn't want anybody left inthe house to tell any story.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Did not want any witnesses she didn't want
anybody left in the house totell any story.
I'm just saying, though, fromthe killer's standpoint, like
you know, why consider them inthe equation?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Who Him.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Not Craig.
He probably thought that he wasa bad guy.
I'm just saying he needed to go.
But I'm just saying like Iunderstand the whole no
witnesses thing, but killing twoother people, that's a whole
nother level too.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, but I mean you're walking into a house at
730 pm, I know Not on sleepingpeople, you could be disguised
and still I mean that's, ifyou're disguised, the witness
will only tell of your disguise.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I'm just saying, though, like that's pretty cold
blooded.
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Very cold blooded, cold-blooded and when, actually
when Teresa got out of thehospital and was able to talk to
police, they actually looked atElizabeth Guthrie's brother,
because that's exactly whoTeresa told police.
The guy looked like well, theyend up realizing that he has
warrants, so they end up lookinginto him.
He ends up not being the onewho pulled the trigger.
(37:15):
But you know, teresa thought iteven though she had never met
Elizabeth Guthrie's brother.
She had seen pictures.
It ends up not being him.
But you just see like Teresashe's staring at him, thinks
that, but she ends up naming thewrong person.
Um, but she was so distraughtand you know, I don't know, I
(37:36):
think I think it's Elizabethjust not wanting and I and I
don't know, I think it'sElizabeth just not wanting, and
I don't know why he agreed totake them all out, because it's
not like he walked in there andlooked for Craig Nail and went
after him first.
It's not like he could havejust shot him dead in front of
Teresa and run out the door,because he could have, but he
didn't.
(37:56):
He shot her first, and so thatjust tells me that there was
just no remorse or thought ofkeeping anyone alive in that
house.
All right.
So this is what the mothertells police, in that they were
basically fighting becauseTeresa was still alive and she
was not happy about that On themorning of January 29th.
(38:17):
So, chris, very, very shortly,within just like a month after
this murder, a month and a halfafter this murder, they arrest
Elizabeth a second time.
Her charges are then upgradedto capital murder.
They end up taking the deathpenalty off the table for Mark
Lyle Bell because he pleadsguilty to first degree murder,
(38:40):
sentenced to life in prison inJuly of 2011.
But then he agrees to testifyagainst Elizabeth Guthrie and
provides prosecutors you knowwith with a full confession.
Elizabeth's trial starts in 2012.
He gets on the stand and MarkLyle Bell sort of like retracts
(39:03):
a little bit.
Even the judge has to tell himlike get it together, man, like
we're not going to be dealingwith this.
He just starts to mind, youknow like, just starts to play
with the lawyers with thisquestioning and he's not coming
outright and saying what hebasically had told police about
being hired and what.
(39:24):
You know, elizabeth, why shewanted Craig Nail dead.
But the reason she wanted himdead was because she was mad he
was going out with Teresa.
She was mad.
He got the house.
It's Christmas time, you know,she basically has to, probably
feels like she has to beg him tosee her child and she's lost
everything.
(39:44):
And when you are, you know Ialways say desperation does very
.
You know that that can causepeople to do very scary, drastic
things.
When people are desperate and Ithink she was in, she was in
desperation fight mode and thiswas her way to get everything
back.
You know, um, so her trialstarts.
(40:07):
He is just not being fullycooperative on the stand, so
they end up actually taking.
They're done with this guy.
She ends up actually taking aplea.
She pleads guilty to conspiracyto commit capital murder for
the death of her husband, craignail, and she is sentenced to 50
years in prison.
(40:27):
Um, chris, this is a sad case.
We see these two girls thathave to grow up without their
dad.
Craig now was 36 years old.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
The daughter of Kristen went to live with his
parents, correct?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
That's correct.
His parents ended up raisingher.
They found Mark Liobell's DNAall over.
They found that beer can.
They ended up finding it on theshell casings.
The 22 casings was also foundin his truck, which they
identified as the same caliberthat took the life of Craig Nell
(41:00):
, the same caliber that you knowthat took the life of Craig
Nail.
So, and you know the blacktruck with the blue flames,
which is really really hard tohide.
But this was great police workreally honed in quickly on
getting some answers.
Thankfully, the peopleresponsible for this crime are
in prison and hopefully will notsee the light of day anytime
soon.
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Welcome all of you, wine andtrue crime lovers.
(01:48):
I'm Brandi.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
And I'm Chris.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And this is Texas Wine and True Crime.
Thank you for being here,friends, for this week's episode
, the Murder of Craig Nail heyChris.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Hey Brandi.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
We are in December.
We just had our last live showof the year at Henry's last live
show of the year.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yes, it's been a great year there.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
It's been a great year there.
A big thank you again toHenry's majestic for having us
out.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Absolutely.
That's a great place Greatpeople, great food.
Um, just I.
I enjoy going there and just tohang out as well.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Um, we took a big group picture at the end of our
last show.
Just a big thank you to Henry'sagain and thank you to everyone
that came out to see us.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
It was a great time that was a great, probably one
of our better shows.
We had a great turnout.
We did, you know weather wasgreat, we were inside, it was
all great.
I just said great like 10 timesin a row.
It is great.
It was an awesome time there.
For sure it was.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
All right, honey.
Well, are you ready to jumpinto this week's case I?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
believe we shall.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
All right, friends, let's sip some wine and talk
some crime.
All right, Chris.
So tonight's case we are goingto be talking about the murder
of Craig Nail out of Frisco,Texas.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Now this is December 26th, christmastime, holiday
season.
People are sort of winding down.
I would say December 26th Iwould describe as like a winding
down day.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
One could hope to wind down yes, after.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Christmas.
After Christmas, you've beenwith family.
You know a lot of people aregoing out to dinner, going on
dates.
I always feel like it's kind oflike the day after Thanksgiving
.
People are still in town andvisiting, but they're done with
family, they're going to go seefriends.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
That's a good time to start kicking people out,
though.
Yes, that's a good time.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So Craig Nail's got some plans with his girlfriend
Teresa that night.
So we're going to talk aboutthat in just a minute.
But let's give a little bit ofbackground about Craig Nail that
would be best and where hecomes from, who he is and what
happened to him on this December26th date.
So back in let's go back.
So back in 1991, craig has adaughter.
(03:57):
He ends up having a daughterwith his then-girlfriend.
He's from New York State, he'snot from Texas, even though this
happened in Texas.
Moved to Oregon correct, movedto Oregon to be closer to his
daughter.
Now he wasn't actually with themother anymore.
She didn't want to get married,they were just co-parenting,
(04:17):
raising the daughter.
But he was able to find work inOregon and he moves to Oregon.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
He works as an electrical engineer correct.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yes, I believe like cybersecurity more specifically,
but yes, so five years later,in 1996, craig is working via
chat room, right?
So you have different offices.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Like inter-office communication.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Yeah, inter-office communication.
So you start getting in theserooms and talking to other
colleagues around the world andhe ends up meeting a woman named
Elizabeth Guthrie.
He meets Elizabeth Guthrie inone of the chat rooms.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, I believe their companies were working together
.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yes, that's how they were developing this chatting.
Yeah, he sort of became like amentor to her and they were just
they would kind of findthemselves communicating daily
almost in these rooms Easy toaccess, right, Because you both
are working and have access tothis but then the ability to
(05:24):
sort of start building thisfriendship outside of work.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, and mind you, let's clarify, these are not
like public chat rooms.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
That's right.
These are not.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's just a way to kind of in lieu of email.
If somebody's got to get amessage, they would usually have
the box open on their desktop.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
This is very common so like an instant chat.
I would kind of say right Likeinstant message.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It common so like an instant chat, I would kind of
say right like instant message,the equivalent in fact.
I I want to say that's what itwas used to be called instant
messenger.
Yeah, instant message, that'swhat I kind of like now people
use, like microsoft teams or hisemail.
You can either do one-to-onecollaborative or whatnot so this
was predating that, I wouldassume um, yeah, so within.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Okay, chris, this is 1996.
1997.
Craig moves to te, moves toTexas.
So Elizabeth Guthrie is likefrom about two hours outside of
Frisco, so I would say maybeeven two or three hours, so up
near the Waco area, and sheconvinces him and he's ready to
(06:21):
sort of pick up out of Oregonand move to Texas in 1997.
So he does that and they end upsettling down in Frisco and
Craig gets a job at McAfee, sothat's where he was working back
in 1997.
Very quickly after that,december 31st of 1997.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Before McAfee turned into the McAfee as we know now.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
That's correct.
December 31st of the same year,chris, they get married and
then in 2003, years later, shehas a baby.
She announces she's pregnantand then in 2001, the baby's
born.
So you have this couple whomeets quickly, moves quickly,
(07:04):
marries quickly I wouldn't sayhave a baby quickly.
Three years went by, so I guessthey got to know each other a
little bit as they're startingtheir new life together.
But now you have a child in themix and what started to show
was basically their differencesin parenting styles.
They disagreed a lot on how toraise their child.
(07:25):
Now think, about this.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
She wasn't much into being a parent, from my
understanding and reading.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yes, and he was already a dad.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So not only just a dad, but a dad to another
daughter.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
They're young, but since he was already a father,
he kind of made that transitionfrom kind of being a young
knucklehead to, we'd say,responsible working towards
adulthood.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
That's right.
I mean, I think around thistime he was about 27, 28 years
old.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
She was very new to that game.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's right.
So I think he and he wasexcited to be a dad again and I
think things were okay.
I think they were trying tobuild a life together.
Things were okay.
I think they were trying tobuild a life together.
But just three years after thedaughter is born, there is a
huge blow up at the house.
There's an argument, there's afight, and it got so heated that
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she became physical with himand physically attacked him.
So she was punching him,scratching him and it, you know,
it was a full on fight betweenthese two.
So police are called, they comeout to the house, they see
Craig's injuries and they weregoing, they were ready to arrest
(08:41):
her.
However, he decides that he'snot going to press charges and
claims that it's his fault.
Like maybe I should have just,I don't know maybe done what she
had asked me to do.
Is that how it works?
Well, it's not the first timewe've seen a man not press
charges against someone thatphysically assaults him, and I
(09:03):
think we always say this Chris,it's a man, right?
You guys?
You know there is this image ofmen that they're not affected
by women beating on them, and Ithink it's an illusion and I
think it's.
We do a disservice saying thatit doesn't matter if a woman
puts their hands on a man.
It does matter and it should bereported, because we can be
just as physical as men can.
(09:25):
Yeah, I think it matters itabsolutely matters.
So you know, I don't know, Ifthe tables were turned, would
she have?
Speaker 2 (09:31):
dropped these charges .
Usually a woman will hit a manbecause she thinks that the man
won't dare respond.
Of course, that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And then we see it escalate and then worse things
happen, right, including whathappens in this case.
All right, well, he does notpress charges and she ends up
coming home Now, between that,2004 and 2006,.
About summer of 2006,.
Chris, things are not goingwell, they're not meant, they're
still fighting, they're notreally mending or fixing
(10:02):
anything that they're dealingwith in this marriage and she is
ready to pull the plug.
So she actually files fordivorce in May of 2006.
He moves out and he gets anapartment.
They're sharing custody oftheir daughter.
She stays in the home but hequickly moves on.
In fact, I would say withinlike a month or two of leaving
(10:28):
and getting his own apartment,he meets a woman by the name of
Teresa.
He meets her in a divorcesupport group at church.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Good place to look for single women.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Well, yes, and this guy is described as just a big
teddy bear.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You know, I think he was honestly trying to get some
support.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Oh my gosh.
Of course he was.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
They met.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yes, and he was absolutely there.
They had lots of conversations.
Definitely, you know he had thetwo girls.
He, you know he had his firstrelationship, you know, woman
still living in Oregon, and he'sgoing through what he's going
(11:13):
through here in Texas.
Now Teresa, she's just sort ofa friendly ear right and they
start having really greatconversations and it kind of
goes to another level and theyend up dating up until he is
killed.
But they really were reallytrying to start a relationship.
She had met the girls butElizabeth didn't like this.
(11:38):
I mean, this is very soon aftershe's filing for divorce and I
think when people separate andsay you know, and and and again
go file for divorce, I don'tthink they always think about
you know getting in anotherrelation.
Chris, within, like I would sayI, within a 60 day period he had
(11:59):
met another.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
He's already letting her meet the girls.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
No, I wouldn't say then, but later on yeah.
But I mean he then, but lateron yeah.
But I mean he had met herwithin 60 days.
Doesn't really matter when shemet the girls, that's up to him.
What matters is that he'smoving on.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
No, no, no, I'm just saying from a standpoint of her
being upset because he's I thinkshe's just upset because she's
dating.
He's dating.
She doesn't have anything to dowith the one child but their
child between the two of them.
I mean that can anger somebodya little bit more.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Yeah, I think that she knew early on, after she was
going to, when she said I'mdivorcing, you get out, that he
moved on and I just we alwayssee the tensions run high when
you have that kind of separation.
It's very fresh and it's stillhurtful.
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So my guess is that she didn'twant him dating anyone else and
he, well, is going on with hislife.
So in June of 2006, ChrisElizabeth, so this is what I'm
saying.
This happened so quicklybetween June, july August.
So this is what I'm saying.
This happens so quickly betweenJune, July August.
She's basically trying toconvince a psychiatrist and
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therapist because she is goingwith her daughter.
She's basically trying toconvince them that there is some
physical abuse happeningbetween Craig and their daughter
.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
In an effort to get back at him.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
In an effort to get back at him and they end up
doing a full investigation onthis.
She's making false claims.
What we now know are falseclaims.
So they looked at this between,I would say, when she started
talking about this in the summerof 2006.
Now we go all the way into thesummer of 2007.
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2006.
Now we go all the way into thesummer of 2007.
And that summer, going intosummer of 2007, chris, a judge
grants Craig temporary custodyof the child.
And not only that.
The judge tells her you got toget out of the house.
He's getting the house back andhe's getting the child.
So Elizabeth ends up moving outand she I mean, that's that.
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I mean, think about that.
Court systems don't like this.
They don't like when you makefalse accusations, especially
about child abuse, and you'retrying to convince a therapist.
And they basically said thereis no viable information, there
is no viable evidence that thisguy did anything wrong.
So the judge says you know what?
You're out.
He's not only getting the house, he's getting the child.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I applaud that judge.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
He's not only getting the house, he's getting the
child.
I applaud that judge, yeah.
And so now we see this sort of,I would say, stewing Boy.
Was she mad before trying toconvince a therapist that he was
abusing their daughter?
But now she's real mad.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
I can only imagine.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
She lost everything and now she's alone.
So from about May to Decemberof 2007,.
This is now brewing andstirring.
She is childless and kicked outof her home.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
She's kind of lucky they didn't bring up, you know,
have charges of her making afalse accusation.
I mean, it's a lot to take awayfrom someone you know because
it very well that he he I don'tknow that he was arrested or not
, but I mean certainly policehave to be involved if you're
making accusations.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh my gosh Of molesting their child.
So yeah, I think I'm sure hewas under supervised visitation.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm sure there was a lot of other things.
If you reported something thatwas false and knowingly did it,
you could go to jail?
Well, I mean think about it,but you know you could go to
jail.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Well, I mean, think about it.
The charges started almost inthe fall of 2006.
And this decision did not comeuntil May of 2007.
So you know that this was amonths and months and months
long investigation and courtbattle and really like the
resources that were used forthis false allegation.
They don't like it, theyweren't happy about it, they
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took everything away from herand now she's alone, chris.
She ends up moving with arelative to Dallas and she
starts bar hopping, she startsmeeting different people.
She's sort of creating this newlifestyle, I guess about
herself, kind of going into thisbiker world, I don't know,
maybe just trying to move on.
I think she at this timeprobably had supervised
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visitation.
I don't think at this point shewas seeing the child and
keeping her alone and by herself, and keeping her alone and by
herself.
So you see Elizabeth Guthriesort of trying to live this new
life but still trying to be inher daughter's life.
So this is now December, leadingup to December of 2017.
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Now Craig is killed on December26th, december 25th and
December 24th, a few days before, teresa and Craig are
celebrating their Christmas withCraig's daughter Kristen.
Now before that, I believe onDecember 23rd, craig had decided
to send his oldest daughterback to Oregon.
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So, chris, she was here.
He decided to send her back,spend Christmas with her mother,
and then Teresa and him spentChristmas Eve basically had
their Christmas with his otherdaughter, and then Elizabeth
picks Kristen up from Craig andtakes her to visit Elizabeth's
mother, sherry Guthrie and Chris.
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This is so now Craig Nell'salone.
Okay, he's going to be at thehouse alone.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, and I think leading up to this probably had
supervised visits, so you knowif he had full custody.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yes, I don't know that she had.
I mean, you have to wonder howthe court he did this out of the
goodness of his heart.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's what I mean.
But as far as her, there had tohave been some sort of scenario
that she's seen her before thisright.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
What do you mean she's?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
seen her before.
Well, if he has full custody,that means it's not typical
visitation, so it always has tobe his choice when she goes and
stays with him.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
That's right.
He decided that he.
Elizabeth asked him if I cankeep her right and have her for.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Christmas.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
And that's why they celebrated December 24th,
because out of the goodness ofhis heart, that's still the
mother and he wanted to give heran opportunity to spend
Christmas with her at the mom's.
And it was going to be at hermother's house, and so maybe a
piece of him thought I don'twant to deprive my child of her
mom and the family, and so it'sChristmas, I'm going to let her
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go.
So that's what he does, andthis is December 26.
Now, around 7.30 pm, Teresaarrives at Craig's house and
they're ready to go out for adate.
So we talked about this Dayafter Christmas.
Kids are gone.
Family, you're finished, You'reready to.
You know, you're ready to gohave a night out.
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So this is what they're goingto do.
Teresa walks into the garage,goes into the garage door and
then to the door that leads intothe home.
So she will say that she leftthe garage door open because
they were leaving.
She was only going to be inthere a few minutes.
She walks into the kitchen andthere she meets Craig Nail in
the kitchen.
So they're talking, just havinga brief, brief discussion.
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When he opens the pantry and weknow this because this is what
she ends up telling police thatCraig is like in the pantry.
So he has the door open, so shecan't see his face at this
point.
She can only see the door.
His face is inside.
So she looks up and she sees aman standing there.
She hears something, she turnsaround.
She has her purse on hershoulder, she is looking at this
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man and she just freezes andshe's watching him.
She will tell police there wassomething in his hand and she
thought it was a bat, but shewasn't really sure.
So she just kind of froze anddidn't say anything.
And the next thing, you know,the guy raises his hand up and
says bang, Shoots her once, hitsher between the eyes, shoots
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her in the head.
Craig Nell clearly hears this,you know peeks his head out, you
know whatever, jumps out andthen immediately the gun is
turned on him and Craig Nail isshot.
So the assailant then pointsthe gun back at Teresa, fires
again, hits her in the arm.
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And then that's when Craig Nailis going to go upstairs because
he has fully loaded weapons inhis closet.
So, Chris, at this pointthere's a person in the house
shooting them and he is tryingto get to his weapons.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Well, and we believe the reason his weapon looked
like a bat was that he hadwrapped cloth or something.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I mean it was, put it in a plastic water bottle and
then taped the water bottle.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, because it was a very small caliber gun with a
22.
Very much lower report.
So to try to, I'll say, silenceit, but suppress a very loud
report by doing that.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
And we know Teresa actually survives this encounter
and you thought that maybe thereason possibly of Because she
shot in the head I mean that's a, that's typically a fatal wound
it was a small caliber, but hewas far away.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
It was.
It is a small bullet.
Usually it's a great choice ofassassins because it doesn't
make a lot of noise, but usuallyit's something that's up close.
You know, the front part ofyour cranium is rather dense and
thick, and so it is possiblewhy it kind of you know, I won't
say ricocheted but didn'tpenetrate bounced off a little
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more or less.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, so he does use something on the end of his gun.
After he shoots Teresa for thesecond time, craig Nail's.
Headed upstairs A salientfollows Craig Nail.
At this point Teresa knows shehas to get out of the house.
So she runs out of the frontdoor, gets to a neighbor's house
and that neighbor is the onethat calls 911.
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Now the neighbor is saying toyou know, I have someone over
here.
They're bleeding.
She says her boyfriend is stillin the home.
Teresa, will you know she hearsgunshots.
She doesn't know if Craignell'salive, dead.
So at this point police knowthey're reporting.
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You know they are going to ahome with an intruder who has
been, who is shooting people.
So they are taking precaution.
They don't know if the personis still in there, they don't
know what they're going to find.
So they arrive, they aretreating Teresa.
She's immediately airlifted toParkland for emergency surgery.
She will end up spending 10days in the hospital, um after
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um, to treat her injuries.
Police go into the home.
They find the cotton that had.
Well, they weren't sure what itwas, but they're.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
What it looked like was just cotton kind of thrown
everywhere in the kitchen areajust stuff, cotton and I guess
enough like so plastic, yeah, aplastic bottle on the barrel so
you know this, this is Christmastime.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
They don't know if there's been a party here and
something's gone wrong.
They know that.
You know, at this point CraigNail is still upstairs, so they
haven't found him yet.
There's bullet casings found inthe kitchen.
There is more evidence thatthey actually find leaving out
of the back door and into thealley, there's a beer can that
they will end up using forevidence.
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Um, there's also, you know,they can just tell someone has
been there and then left thepremises.
Um, they find blood leading outthe door which they know
belonged to Teresa now, but thenthey see blood going up the
stairs and that is when, um,they find Craig Nail in his
closet with two weapons near him.
He's been shot 10 times andthose were his weapons, so he
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was trying to get to them, gotto them, but he was killed.
Okay, so after this, teresa istaken to Parkland Hospital where
she has surgery, and they arewanting to know what happened.
You know what happened here.
Who was going to do this?
Well, they end up finding outthat Elizabeth is with her
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mother and their daughter.
So police contact her and tellher about what happened to Craig
Nail.
And you know she's visiblyupset.
She doesn't know who would dothis.
Well, chris, just two days latera guy— and she has an alibi.
She has an alibi, yep, she hasan alibi.
But two days later someonewalks into the police department
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saying that he needs to talk tothem.
So this has been now on thenews, right, and it's being
reported on.
So this guy shows up.
He's an ex-boyfriend ofElizabeth Guthrie Nail, and he
basically tells the police thatElizabeth had approached him
about killing Craig.
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He tells detectives thatElizabeth had this big elaborate
plan to lure him out of thegarage, had this big elaborate
plan to lure him out of thegarage.
There would be no alarm.
You know, she would make surethat.
You know that it was all readyfor him.
So there was a warrant put outfor Elizabeth and issued for
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solicitation of murder.
So this is pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
We had discussed too, like why didn't he say anything
, um, which I kind of felt likeI think a lot of people don't
want to go to the police,something like that, a lot of
people are not super big fans ofthem, and so does that also
implicate him into some sort ofyou know, if something were to
happen, is then he going to belooked at or whatnot?
But I guess, since he saw thatit had already occurred, maybe
he felt like it's um, he knew hewas kind of in the free and
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clear to bring this up to policeattention, although it is kind
of crappy that he said nothingabout it until after the fact.
But yeah, I think that'sprobably one of the big reasons
just doesn't want to getinvolved doesn't want to get
involved.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And you don't, you know, I don't know you most
people who we've either seentestify in court or say that
someone approached them aboutkilling someone and then that
person ends up dead.
They end up saying well, youknow what.
It was mentioned to me and thereason they give typically of
why they didn't go to policewith that information right away
is that they didn't think theywere serious.
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That's typically the answer.
Well, they asked me.
But who really would go throughwith something like that?
And that's typically why peopledon't go and say anything.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
But you should go and say something.
I think she did have a littlebit deeper plan.
You know, I mean, I think thatmeant to me.
I mean it gives more indicationthat she's something that she
really wants to follow throughwith, versus somebody just
uttering.
I wish that person was dead,you know.
Yeah, I don't know when you goas far as asking somebody if
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they'd be willing to killsomebody for you, I would say
that's you've already crossedthe line of whether or not you
want it to happen or not.
Or just being some sort ofsomething you say.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Well, and I think at this point too, it's like I
don't even know if police arethinking that.
I think they're, I think theyreally, early on, know that
Craig was the intended target,right, because why follow him
upstairs if you're there forTeresa, true?
So I think that's why theybelieved this so quickly and I
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think this is why they were ontoher so fast is for that reason
because there was no forcedentry, right.
He walks into the garage andinto the house.
So they were kind of puzzled onwho would just come in and do
this to a couple the day afterChristmas.
And so when they come, when youhave someone come forward and
say you know, they have toinvestigate it.
But they were pretty certainthat they have their person and
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their motive.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
I would think too, based on her previous history
with him too, that she would besomebody that would be a person
of interest, just based on themotive in and of itself that you
know, she went from having thechild to losing custody,
accusing him of this wrongdoingthat was turned out to be
completely false.
And so I imagine, you know,even if this guy had not showed
up at the police station, shewould have been looked at pretty
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quickly, pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Neighbors.
They are pretty good witnessesto some of this stuff because
they are asked some questionsabout what was?
You know, anything in theneighborhood you noticed was off
.
It's holidays.
Sometimes the neighborhoods arekind of quiet.
Did you notice anyone out ofplace?
Well, a few of the reports fromthe neighbors said that they
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saw kind of some strangevehicles that were kind of going
in and out.
However, there was one vehiclethat stuck out to them and that
was a black pickup truck withblue flames drawn on it.
That's very distinctdescription.
They, you know it's probablynot hard to find this vehicle.
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It ends up not being very hardto find this vehicle, but they
don't have a person where.
Why, how?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
and where to look, but all they have is a car
description that doesn't go onyour registration.
But yeah when you're just kindof driving around, a blue flame
truck sticks out much easierthan a white Camry.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yes, so this is all.
Police are investigating Teresa.
They want to talk to Teresa,but she is.
She has not been released atthis point for surgery.
So when Elizabeth is arrested,she actually makes bail, she
actually makes bail and they arelooking and investigating her,
but for right now she actuallymakes bail.
She actually makes bail andthey are looking and
investigating her, but for rightnow she's out.
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But they end up looking a littlebit further into this and here
comes another person that callsthe police department and says
they have some information.
This woman's name is Carol andshe is a friend of Elizabeth's
and she basically tells themthat Elizabeth confessed to her,
that she did this to Craig.
She told.
(29:59):
Well, what she actually says isthat she knows basically who
did it, but that she didn't planit.
It wasn't her that actuallyplanned it, it was another group
of people, but she had someevidence and that Craig was
abusing their daughter.
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And so she's telling Carol allof these things and she actually
wants her to hide some evidence.
So she ends up confiding inthis woman.
And not only that.
I think, if I read the reportscorrectly, when she went to
carol's house she like pattedher down just in case she was
wired.
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So it's like she, I don't know.
Did she just want to get it offher chest?
Was she just trying to?
I don't know.
But she ends up telling thiswoman everything and the woman
ends up just calling police andtelling them everything you know
you women like to talk.
We do, but I guess you shouldjust remember who you're talking
to, because Carol was not goingto keep the secret for her.
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So, chris, this is in January.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
We learned a lot of things that probably should have
been discarded, that she stillclung to in this case.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah, and I mean this is like happening so quickly.
I mean this murder happens theDecember 26th, you know she
early on, I mean within themonth of January.
They already have, you know,elizabeth arrested and out on
bail.
They've already had two peoplecome into police and tell them
that they know that she wasinvolved and then they end up in
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January of 2008,.
They OK, let me back up for asecond.
When Elizabeth Guthrie wasarrested, they, when she made
bail, this basically opened upthe door for them to get more
search warrants and find outmore information about to pin
this on her.
Ok, so they end up uncoveringseveral cell phones at her
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mother's house where she wasstaying.
One of those cell phones endsup being a cell phone they
traced to a Walmart in McKinney.
So when they got that ping Likea pay-per-minute phone.
Pay-per-minute phone where youcan add minutes, right?
Yes, so they put somesurveillance footage on this
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Walmart once they figured outwhere the phone came from and
then so any if someone were togo back in and reload this phone
they would get.
The police would be notified,and that's exactly what happens.
So someone goes in to the sameWalmart and they on surveillance
, you see a black pickup truckwith blue flames.
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So at this point they know, andfour days later they arrest
Mark Lyle Bell.
Mark Lyle Bell is picked up andbrought in for questioning.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Now he admits to knowing Elizabeth but never had
met Cragnail.
Well, for the record, a burnerphone is meant to be burned.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yes, not reloaded.
You use it and get rid of it,and that's that.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So this could start to fall under the category of
world's dumbest criminals?
Yes, however, this could startto fall into the category of
world's dumbest criminals.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
However, we will proceed.
So basically, they met becausehe helped change attire for her
while she was living in Frisco.
Okay, this is how they meet.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Broken down the side of the road.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
I don't know, but that's how they meet.
They end up keeping in touch.
This is not an affair.
This is not any sort ofrelationship between these two.
He's much older than her.
He's older than her.
Yep, there was nothing sexualgoing on here that I'm aware of.
It just seemed like she wastelling him that this man was
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abusing their daughter and heneeded to help her get rid of
him, and I think that that'swhat convinced him to kill Craig
Nail.
Mark Lyle Bell would not havekilled him any other, otherwise
right.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You would have had to have done some convincing and
really convinced him to that thefather was really a bad guy.
Yeah, yeah, and in fact hewasn't.
But yes, for somebody to go tothose extremes, to kind of be
her savior.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
And speaking of savior.
When the police found the phonethen and the reason that they
were suspicious is because ithad the initials GA and then
guardian angel is what theyended up finding that the person
was being called a guardianangel and not using the real
name.
So at the end of all of thisinterrogation, chris, they put
him under arrest for the murderof Craig Nail.
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Sherry Guthrie, elizabeth'smother, will tell police some
information within just a fewdays of this arrest.
So she basically tells policethat she's kind of afraid of her
daughter and believes that shewas involved in the plot and
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murder of Craig Nail.
Her mother tells police MarkLyle Bell had driven her and
Elizabeth to their cabin, to acabin outside of Denton, and
this was right after Elizabethwas out on bail and they were
talking about Craig's murder.
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Elizabeth was upset that Teresadid not die and she had wished
that Mark was a better shot.
Now I said thank goodness hesent his older daughter back to
Oregon.
When he did, maybe who knowswhat told him to do this because
he ended up just making thedecision to send her back to
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Oregon because the direct orderfrom Elizabeth Guthrie was
Probably to spend time with hermom too.
I know, but I mean, that's thething.
It's like, thank God he did.
That's not two hours away,that's states away.
He put her on a plane, she wenthome, but the order from
Elizabeth Guthrie was to killeveryone in the house.
So if his older daughter wouldhave been there, the order was
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also to take her life.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
So, thankfully, there were no children in there,
because you wonder, why too?
Why would Craig not have beenthe only target?
If he was the bad guy and therewas this convincing that he was
the bad guy why on earth wouldhe go as far as to kill or
attempt to kill Teresa, as wellas the daughter, the older
daughter?
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Well, Elizabeth did not want any witnesses.
She didn't want anybody left inthe house to tell any story.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Did not want any witnesses she didn't want
anybody left in the house totell any story.
I'm just saying, though, fromthe killer's standpoint, like
you know, why consider them inthe equation?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Who Him.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Not Craig.
He probably thought that he wasa bad guy.
I'm just saying he needed to go.
But I'm just saying like Iunderstand the whole no
witnesses thing, but killing twoother people, that's a whole
nother level too.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, but I mean you're walking into a house at
730 pm, I know Not on sleepingpeople, you could be disguised
and still I mean that's, ifyou're disguised, the witness
will only tell of your disguise.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I'm just saying, though, like that's pretty cold
blooded.
That's my point.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Very cold blooded, cold-blooded and when, actually
when Teresa got out of thehospital and was able to talk to
police, they actually looked atElizabeth Guthrie's brother,
because that's exactly whoTeresa told police.
The guy looked like well, theyend up realizing that he has
warrants, so they end up lookinginto him.
He ends up not being the onewho pulled the trigger.
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But you know, teresa thought iteven though she had never met
Elizabeth Guthrie's brother.
She had seen pictures.
It ends up not being him.
But you just see like Teresashe's staring at him, thinks
that, but she ends up naming thewrong person.
Um, but she was so distraughtand you know, I don't know, I
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think I think it's Elizabethjust not wanting and I and I
don't know, I think it'sElizabeth just not wanting, and
I don't know why he agreed totake them all out, because it's
not like he walked in there andlooked for Craig Nail and went
after him first.
It's not like he could havejust shot him dead in front of
Teresa and run out the door,because he could have, but he
didn't.
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He shot her first, and so thatjust tells me that there was
just no remorse or thought ofkeeping anyone alive in that
house.
All right.
So this is what the mothertells police, in that they were
basically fighting becauseTeresa was still alive and she
was not happy about that On themorning of January 29th.
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So, chris, very, very shortly,within just like a month after
this murder, a month and a halfafter this murder, they arrest
Elizabeth a second time.
Her charges are then upgradedto capital murder.
They end up taking the deathpenalty off the table for Mark
Lyle Bell because he pleadsguilty to first degree murder,
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sentenced to life in prison inJuly of 2011.
But then he agrees to testifyagainst Elizabeth Guthrie and
provides prosecutors you knowwith with a full confession.
Elizabeth's trial starts in 2012.
He gets on the stand and MarkLyle Bell sort of like retracts
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a little bit.
Even the judge has to tell himlike get it together, man, like
we're not going to be dealingwith this.
He just starts to mind, youknow like, just starts to play
with the lawyers with thisquestioning and he's not coming
outright and saying what hebasically had told police about
being hired and what.
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You know, elizabeth, why shewanted Craig Nail dead.
But the reason she wanted himdead was because she was mad he
was going out with Teresa.
She was mad.
He got the house.
It's Christmas time, you know,she basically has to, probably
feels like she has to beg him tosee her child and she's lost
everything.
(39:44):
And when you are, you know Ialways say desperation does very
.
You know that that can causepeople to do very scary, drastic
things.
When people are desperate and Ithink she was in, she was in
desperation fight mode and thiswas her way to get everything
back.
You know, um, so her trialstarts.
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He is just not being fullycooperative on the stand, so
they end up actually taking.
They're done with this guy.
She ends up actually taking aplea.
She pleads guilty to conspiracyto commit capital murder for
the death of her husband, craignail, and she is sentenced to 50
years in prison.
(40:27):
Um, chris, this is a sad case.
We see these two girls thathave to grow up without their
dad.
Craig now was 36 years old.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
The daughter of Kristen went to live with his
parents, correct?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
That's correct.
His parents ended up raisingher.
They found Mark Liobell's DNAall over.
They found that beer can.
They ended up finding it on theshell casings.
The 22 casings was also foundin his truck, which they
identified as the same caliberthat took the life of Craig Nell
(41:00):
, the same caliber that you knowthat took the life of Craig
Nail.
So, and you know the blacktruck with the blue flames,
which is really really hard tohide.
But this was great police workreally honed in quickly on
getting some answers.
Thankfully, the peopleresponsible for this crime are
in prison and hopefully will notsee the light of day anytime
soon.
Thank you.
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