November 8, 2022 • 41 mins
It's episode 106 of Thanks, I Hate It! and y'all, Brittany and Windsor are back with the old school. They discuss (read rant about) cash bail and bonds.
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Hi, it's Brittany and Windsor andyou're listening to Thanks I hate it a
weekly social commentary podcast. Well weactually do hate this topic. Um no,
it's in a lot of week things. Oh shit, it's a bi
weekly social commentary podcast. We're twofriends. Twice a month, sometimes once
a month if we have a lotof time, get together, shoot the
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ship, throw the leaves, makeit rain. Forget the rest of it.
And so I just keep going onand on and on. Wait,
it's hi, thank you for socialsocial commentary podcast. We're two friends,
shoot the ship, make it rain. Why do I forget this? This
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is how you know we haven't donethis in a while. Oh my god,
we ain't shit data, unsuspecting byye, unsuspected by standers, and
drink for the bottom shelf and havemental breakdowns. Please great literally me you
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guys. I'm having a girl interruptedNovember. Yeah. Great movie, terrible
topic, terrible topic. Much liketoday's episode. Great podcast. Today we
on this great podcast talking about terrible, terrible things. We are talking about
cash bail. So I'm going togive you a little bit of information on
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what cash bail is. You willlikely hear some of my own opinions on
it, and then you're gonna talkabout it. We're going to have to.
And then Windsor is going to giveyou, you know what the world
could look like if well, noteven the world, what the United States
could maybe look like. What Like, there's a huge different friends, Like
there's a big, big, big, big overhaul that our justice system needs
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to go through, a period,and it just starts at cash bail.
And it starts a cash bail andvoting. I mean it actually, if
we want to break it all theway down, it starts with dismantling like
everything, mail privilege, white privilege, it dismantling the burn it down and
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start over again. Yeah, wereally have to here at this point.
So I'm going to start out withcash bail. Interesting fact, the United
States is one of very few countriesin the world that utilizes this absolute machiavellian
process, so cash bail. Accordingto my friend Tony Messenger, who is
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an Illinois I believe it's from Illinois. He might be from Missouri, I
can't remember. Anyways, I thinkhe's from Illinois. He's a columnist who
wrote a book called Profit and Punishment, How America criminalizes the poor, In
the Name of Justice. Very goodbook. I very much suggested if anybody
read A Victied, which is anotherbook that I suggested on the podcast a
while ago. It definitely follows thatsame line of formatting. So it's basically
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got like little vignettes of persons andtheir experiences and then it gives you information,
which that's how I love to reada nonfiction book. If I'm going
to read a nonfiction book. Sidenote, I read the new Tito Rosie's
Kitchen and I fit out it tooin less than twenty four hours. That
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book was I love it. Idid too, So that was off topic.
Please leave that in though, Mia, We're still thinking about eagerly anyways.
So cash bail, essentially it's asystem that praise on the poor.
So, like I said, Iread that book earlier this year, and
it's very intently discussed the way thatcash bail probation not probation, like the
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fines and fees that you pay afterdealing with a quote criminal offense, are
used to punish you. In additionto the fact that you will likely go
to jail, you will likely haveto engage with persons that you don't want
to like, who the fuck wantsto actually engage with the police and judges.
Literally no one. But these aresystems that are put into place,
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especially in the United States, thatare meant to hold down the poor and
the working poor, and that entireclass of persons and even at times like
what's considered the middle class is helddown by this system. I see and
there's multiple reasons for this, oneof them being is that eighty percent of
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the prison population in the United Statesor people who have not been committed of
a crime. So what is prisonprison is a for profit system. If
these fell so are empty, theyare not making money, especially in for
profit prisons, where their intention isthey've got a corporation and literally they will
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work with legislators and people on theground to say like, hey, we
literally buy people, especially the children'sliterally buy that. Which we did an
entire episode on this where we reallyjumped into the depth and the scope of
for profit prisoning, especially at umin Southern States and at the juvenile level.
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They are this is a money grab. Remembering that what is it called,
It's not G four. I justread a book by fucking Angela Davis
and she mentioned G for a lot, but there's GEO something I can't remember
what it's called, but they area huge for profit prison and the idea
behind it is money. And sowith cash Bill, what we're using is
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money to hold down a large groupof persons, especially when so I get
arrested for a crime, which Imean any day now at this point,
I get arrested for a crime andI am taken to jail. Often get
your judge within the first twenty fourto forty eight business hours exactly because for
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this hearing, we don't want toever think that if we get arrested on
a Friday night, you will seethat judge any time before Monday. And
we better hope that Monday is nota holiday. You're lucky if it's on
Monday, because Monday they already booked. So also side note, if you
guys have warrants and you're going toturn yourself in, turn yourself in on
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a Tuesday through Thursday at six am, because they don't go to the courthouse
till seven. Yes, please,Actually you won't go to jail. You'll
go straight from the local precinct tothe courthouse. We're also not lawyers.
We are in fact vigilantes, sojust don't turn yourself in anyways. So
what they do know this wrong?I know this from experience, bitch.
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It was a it was a domesticOh, I didn't realize I had a
warran. It's not one of thosedomestics though, Like I don't want to
know it was he thought he wascute, throwing me over a fucking table,
and I fought back, and Ididn't realize that. I get I
had to do something, but Ididn't realize I didn't finish it. So
like when I went to go likeapply for food stamps or something, They're
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like, you got a warrant,And I'm like, the fuck, why
should you know that? What doesme having a warrant have anything to do
with my need for food? Becauseyou can't get food assistance when you are
actively fleeing or if you are havewarrants out for your arrest. I fucking
hate that because here's the thing itreminds me of. And then I'm going
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to get back on topic, Iswear to God, but it reminds me
of the fact that you cannot getum school assistance and or live in hut
housing if you have drug charges orif you've ever had drug charges. So
because I put everything through domestic Violetscope at this point, because that's what
I'm working in. Let's remember thatso many people are in jail for weed
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that is now legal. You can'tget you can't get government assisted housing or
go to college for something that isnow legal exactly, and you're allowed to
smoke outside of the college because inConnecticut, for example, I know that
in Connecticut they are actively working ongetting all the old charges expunged, in
getting everybody out of jail and everything. They're working on that. I think
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that's However, in Connecticut, it'sactually the laws of regarding smoking or doing
or whatever with marijuana are even morelax. And in California, doesn't Connecticut
to make it easier, because honestly, it was going to cost too much
fucking money to police this shit.Was anywhere you can smoke a cigarette,
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you can smoke weed. Sounds easyto me. So what also what they
did though, is they kind ofthey put more limits on where you can
smoke cigarettes. I mean, youcan't smoke cigarettes outside of schools anymore now
like so, but here's the thing, though, you have people sitting in
these jails to people who can't getgovernment housing. People who are who had
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bail revoked, tours sitting in jailfor years before they even get a fucking
trial, especially since COVID hit.Yes, they don't even have topic trials
and for these things that they haveand guess what, it's legal now,
legal now. And so that isone of the reasons that the cash bill
system it's a money grab. Soessentially, what happens when you get a
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ticket, when you can deal withum fucking getting arrested, even for a
minor crime, if you have finesand fees that you have to maintain with
the court system long term, thisis all a money grab to help fucking
financially fuel that municipality. So basicallyyou're getting I got a ticket in Rhode
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Island of fucking five years ago.I feel like it was I don't remember
when this ticket was. But theygive you an option in Rhode Island where
you can go to court and basicallysay, this is my first time getting
a ticket, I'll pay ninety fivedollars. So I paid them that ninety
five dollars. Every state does that. They do not. As somebody who
has lived in a bunch of states, I will tell really does not happen
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Connecticut, does You could pay fiftydollars as long as it's not a cell
phone in fraction, because if it'sa cell phone in fraction, they make
you pay that ship and understandably,but yeah, so they allow me to
do that. It's so excited.But that ninety five dollars, if we
take it and we split it up, it's paying not for me to be
incarcerated. Had I been arrested duringthat moment, it would have paid for
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the fees for the clerk to come. It would have paid for the stenographer,
I think that's what they're still called. It would have paid a variety
of fees. It would have possiblypaid towards the sheriff's retirement funds so that
they could retire one day. Butit pays for a variety of things that
don't necessarily have to do with thejustice system. And that is part of
the reason that our fees keep goingup. But it's also a reason that
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people want to keep cash bail inplace because they can then take this money
that they're taking from these families,but likely don't have this sweaty to give
because as we all know, andI will talk about later. You are
more likely to get a higher bailamount if you are a black, indigenous,
or otherwise person of color. Darkeryour skin is the higher that shit's
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gonna be. Exactly. Cash bailessentially is a bully tactic used by the
quote dresses system to ensure that somebodyis going to appear for trial. So
the government basically dangles this carrot.They say, you've been arrested and we're
gonna let you out, but youdo have to pay that ten thousand dollars.
And if you don't pay that tenthousand dollars up front, baby girl,
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then you are gonna go to jail. You're gonna sit in there until
we Oh they're not losing their houseyet though, because we're just on cash
bill. We haven't gotten into youractual bail bonds then yet. Oh,
not bonds, just bail. Yeah, we haven't even gotten into this ship
yet. But they're saying you're gonnasit in there. You're gonna sit in
there with all those people because youmight be a bad person, but you
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also know that you don't want tobe in jail with all these bad people.
Yeah, you get three hots anda cot, but you're gonna sit
in here. You're gonna lose yourjob, You're gonna lose your kids,
You're gonna lose everything about your livelihood, your identity, your existence if you
don't pay this. And this isfor somebody that hasn't been convicted of a
crime. No trial has a courtyet. We are literally in the beginning
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stages of this process. And it'spart of you just got arrested yesterday exactly.
It's part of how the fuck you'vegotten to see a judge just beyond
me. But it's one of thereasons that people want to keep this system
in place, because it is justthe money grab and we haven't even gotten
into the actual aspect of the trialyet, so we could drag this on
forever. And we saw this inthe story of Calif Browder. I'm gonna
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really quickly go through this. Oh, I just thought about him before you
said that also Calif, and thenyou said Khalife, and I get so
sad whenever you think about so I'mgoing to very quickly go through that appreci
him justice in this podcast podcast Ever, I don't think we could listen sitting
in the pearly gates. I hopehe's in the Pearly Gags just viben.
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For those of you who don't know, we have a list of m if
we ever do true crime, evenif it's related to something of people that
we just we can't because we knowthat we we know how we are,
and we're just not going to doit well enough. And people would either
already done it better than we couldever imagine to do, or it's going
to be too emotionally. Taxes ortheir families actively listen to these things and
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for these things, and we're notthe ones to do anybody justice so very
quickly. For those of you whodon't know, because you live under a
fucking rock, sorry for you aboutthat if you do. But they also
talk about him in the thirteenth documentary, Yes, which is a much more
appropriate place to get everybody needs towatch that documentary absolutely so. Clif Frowder
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was a young man in New York. He was falsely accused of sealing a
backpack. He was arrestedpack literally.I think he should have got a PTA.
He should have got a PTA,which that is not a thing in
places, so I don't know whatthat is. It's New York. They
don't have a promise to appear inNew York in Connecticut if it's under twenty
dollars, even if they let yougo or they give you a PTA.
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So he didn't even like bring youin that. That is again, our
country is so vast that we don'thave the same set of guidelines everywhere.
I'm putting myself on mute while youtalk. No, that's fine, because
um they arrested him regardless, andI know a lot of the homies that
have been arrested for about the sameamount. Anyway, So that he was
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arrested, he went into um seea judge. They gave him some absorbitive
amount of bail his family could notpay. He ended up being incarcerated during
this time. Now, mind you, mind you, mind you that he
had not been convicted of any typeof crime. So he's sitting in there.
Eventually he ends up in solitary confinement, which is not difficult if you
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do not conform in prison, ifyou make if you shake your fucking change
too much, you were going intosolitary. They do not have to or
need to or want to deal withyou. So he spent a great deal
of time in solitary. Eventually,any charges that were going to be brought
as a result of this, twentydollars backpack were dropped and he was released
with the unfortunate unfortunate that he ultimatelytook his own life based on the j
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in fucking jail. Mind you,we didn't even say prison, So for
those of you who don't know,jail in prison are two different entities.
Jail is generally where you're going tospend your time if it's pre trial or
he was. He was. Hewas not in a good facility, no
one. They're still bad. Um, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean
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I sound like it wasn't terrible.They're still bad. But it's pre trial.
You have not been convicted of acrime. In New York. He
was in there for three years.I don't know he was in there for
more than zero years, which isthe expectation of New York for a thousand
dollars. It's usually the maximus oneyear in jail. Well after you,
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so they should yeah, yeah,we saw what happened to him, and
we saw what happened. There's actuallyvideos, many people there's saw videos of
guards torturing this poor man. Andif you think that doesn't happen, then
you are still living under a rockand we are here to turn that bitch
over like fucking Patrick Starr and letyou know that it happens all the time.
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If this is the first time you'rehearing that people are alic tortured in
prison and in jail, I amfamily is very outspoken about what happened to
him because they don't want it tocontinue to happen to other people as it
should not be because they don't suckingdisaster. But yes, he did complete
suicide as a result of a directresult of his experience. And this all
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star arted with cash bail. Theywere given an amount it did not have
the funding for it, which honestly, here's the thing, when if you
get arrested right now, I probablyain't got it. So you know who
would if I got arrested right now? You know who would bail me out?
Brian's mom my boss. I'll seemy boss because here's the thing.
So I've actually talked to her aboutthis because you know, when certain things
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happened with I told her what wasgoing on, and she was like,
so, just so you know,if you get arrested, I'm not going
to go in the jail, butI'll be outside with a check. Just
let me know. Yeah, myfather law would definitely bail me out.
Yeah, because she needs me,my father in lawn needs. She need
to take care of the kid.He doesn't think pretty outstanding. He's not
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wrong, he's not wrong. Butif we look at this without nuance,
essentially a family lost their child asa result of cash bail, because we
would started at there we go,there we go said it three thousand dollars,
okay, three thousand dollars, threethousand dollars for sixteen dollars backpack.
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So what they said was there wereother things in the backpack that made it
more valuable, a seven hundred dollarsiPod, which this was in the twenty
ten. So, bitch, ifyou had a seven hundred dollars iPod,
it's your fault. Yeah, likethe nanos were not that expension, bitch,
go to hell. But all ofthis because his family could not afford
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to pay the punitive costs placed onhis head before he was even convicted of
a crime. That's the part thatalways gets me about cash bails, the
fact that it happens before you're convictedof a crime. So We're always talking
about like innocent until proven guilty.If I'm innocent until proven guilty, why
am I paying for my freedom?I thought slavery ended in eighteen sixty five,
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and they want to say, oh, it's for the safety and the
well being of people. That's exactlywhat. That's a fucking goddamn lie,
a fucking line. But anyways,according to the Brennan Center, which I
did applique for a job there,you guys, cash bill is a generally
predetermined amount to which a fraction needsto be paid for a person to be
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released from incarceration after an arrest,but before a trial. All of this
again, I cannot emphasize this enough. Before a trial, before you're even
proven guilty or innocent, you gotto come out of pocket. That's like
me going, you don't get thatmoney back if you're acquitted. Exactly,
if they you're acquitted, they findyou're not guilty, it doesn't matter.
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You never get that money back.You just live without it. So if
I had ten thousand dollars and Igave my last ten thousand dollars to make
sure I didn't have to stay incarcerated, I'm just out ten thousand dollars.
And it's not even like I gota fucking speeding ticket. It's literally because
somebody decided in that moment that Iwas what they were looking for. Fucking
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garbage. And sometimes this isn't anoption, so say the bail route is
now your option. This is partof the reason one that we have such
an influx of pre trial detention centers. They're actually places outside of what's considered
to be your jail called a pretrial detention center. Whaley Avenue in New
Haven, fucking they have a juvieand they have pre trial there JSL pre
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trialed attention. I went there somany times when I worked for DCF and
I could not and nobody could underexplain to me, why why are we
calling it the pre trial detention?That means that every person in here that
will be in here for multiple daysis here before they have been convicted of
multiple days, multiple months. Ijust want one days because I didn't you
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know, listen, this was premental breakdown. I couldn't think about it.
I'm still living in a cloud tokick early. But this is an
influx of pre trial detention centers.And if someone receives a bail that can't
pay that, even the fraction goingdirectly to the court, which this happens
a lot of the times, becausethey be asking for all kinds shit.
I got a ticket a couple ofyears back. I keep talking about my
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ticket, so clearly I'm not agood driver. Fucking three hundred dollars offer
just for that ticket, So imagineme getting arrested for that crime. What
my fucking bail was gonna be insane But if you're not able to pay
that, this is where bail bondsman'scome in. They are a notoriously shady
business. They're not a group ofpeople I really want to fuck with if
I can avoid it. By itis such a morally gray area. They
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have the right to enter your homeright because they expect collateral. They're saying,
I'm gonna pay this for you,but you're gonna back this shit up
and make sure that motherfucker shows upthere. We're gonna send dog to bounty
hunter after you, because we're gonnaput a bounty at his paintball gun with
his fucking paintball gun and his weirdfucking mohawk. I actually love that show.
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It is my guiltiest pleasure. Next. I'm also speaking of this.
I'm reading now, granted the ninetiesinappropriate and offensiveness. Oh it is wild,
but I'm letting to go because it'snot out of any kind of ignorance
or malice or hate. It's justthe way it was in nineteen ninety nine.
So I'm still reading them because youknow, it gives me something to
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read in between the books. AndI'm actually I'm reading the Janet Ivanovich Stephanie
Plum series. Oh okay, andshe got to read toxic shit sometimes and
where she is a not so greatbounty hunter. But it's it's actually really
some of these things she gets intois really funny. Her car's gotten blown
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up like three times, she like, but it's wild what bounty hunters are
legally allowed to do. That's thefucking lutely. I used to watch Dog
the Bounty Hunter, Like the shitthat they would do was insane, and
it would kill me because he's awhite guy, and I know he lives
in Hawaii, but he would talkwith that very Hawaiian like. You know
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how Hawaiians generally they've got like thatlilt in their voice. He would talk
with that, and that ship wouldmake me want to punch him in the
face because I was just like,you are not native to a wife,
bro, you're from fucking Colorado,Like you haven't been there that long.
Stop it. But that's when Ialso use sun black my guy, because
you're going to dive skin cancer.He's already dead of skin cancer. Get
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the fuck out of here. He'sthere's no way he's still alive. I
refuse to believe it. But that'swhere like dog, the bounty hunters get
involved. This is where they,like Winter said, they can come into
your house because you put up collateralsaying that so and so will be there.
But here's the depending on the state, they can go into somebody else's
house if they have reason to believethat you're in there. I am the
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dog, and that's how you getyour ass shot hunter, especially in Georgia.
M mmmmmmmm. So in addition toum, you know, just the
entire system being totally fucked. Ifyou are black, indigenous, or otherwise
a person of color, you aregenerally already fucked by this entire process.
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So, especially if you're a maleperiod in the United States, for these
individuals, you are likely to experienceat least a nineteen percent markup on your
cash bail when it comes time togo to trial if you live in the
state of Maryland. In fact,twice as much for blackmails as any other
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race. Sounds about right. Theyhave said, if you're gonna theoretically do
the crime because I can't prove thatyou've done it yet because we haven't got
a trial, you're gonna fucking payfor that shit, double the amount you
are more likely for the same crime. We take two quote offenders because technically
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we haven't proven that they've done anythingwrong yet. We put them on a
piece of paper. We said,these are their exact crimes. They're identical,
and you give two different bail amountswhen you're doing something wrong. But
people are gonna likely know with therace of the individual receiving the higher amount
is, and that race is similarin the melanated range. They don't look
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like this. They're not this colorexactly, if they're not palm colored,
if they're not winter warriors. Thelikelihood for you to get a big,
big, big big bond as apalm colored person you have to be quote
unquote career criminal. They're just gottabe sick of your shop. If you
don't sit your ass in there.I am tired of seeing you every Tuesday
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at night. No thrill that.And or you are somebody who has possibly
completed an egregious crime with proof,but we're not going to trial. Yeah
we're also we're not talking about thingslike rate and murder. We're talking about
Yeah, you stole a car witha baby in the back and you had
like kilos of just drugs on you. Yeah, we're talking about the things
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that honestly, you should get PTA'sfor. And like, what the fuck
is this about? Like what arewe even doing here? You we are
all wasting them think like murdles.We're not talking about their drugs, their
drugs, their crimes. I meantto say crime. But um, the
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only thing that we can really doat this point to make cash bail appropriate
is to end it and to reformthe entire fucking system. Yes, so
that's that. That's my speel oncash bail. It's a piece of garbage,
and it is a piece of garbage, and we really hate it.
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So there are a few states inum states and provinces in the states that
have actually gotten rid of cash bail. Illinois is the most recent and we
heard those assholes like, oh mygoodness, what is Illinois coming too?
They just want all these criminals Iwant the criminals of arrests are non violent
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crimes. So what they're doing basicallyis they're taking the seriousness, the egregiousness
of their crime, they're alleged crime, and they're using MAT's determine whether or
not they stay in jail until trialor until whatever, or they go home
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until trial. They're basically saying,Okay, are you a danger to the
public at large if you stole fromWalmart? No, you are not.
You. So people are like they'rejust gonna lem no, seriously, no,
if you are in Illinois, ifyou are arrested for murder, for
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rape, for anything like that,you're not getting out. You're gonna sit
there until your trial. That's thewhole point. The whole point is that
you are not going to be inthere if you if you are a danger
to others, then you go tojail. If you are not, you
go home until the time of yourtrial. So here's honestly the real thing
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where cash bail versus because like wesaid at the very top of the episode,
jails do not make money. Ifcocks are empty. So those people,
well, those cocks that they probablyare empty. Hey, even though
you know you can't, you're notsupposed to be drinking off of jail,
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Like, how are you gonna putsome money in for fifty years and been
like you can't drink off anyway?Insanity, that's off topic, But what
the fuck was I I'm so sorry? Um So, if you are going
to put people in jail, yeah, So, if you're gonna put people
in jail, and you're gonna say, okay, here's your bed, I'm
getting let's just say ten thousand dollarsa month for you whatever it is or
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was a year or some shit likethat, I'm getting money for you.
So but since I'm not going toget this money from you, I'm gonna
get it from you with you payingfor it. So instead of the state
paying for this money, you're gonnapay for it. So regardless, they're
getting their money. But here's thething. If we got rid of cash
bail, in my non educated opinion, we would be able to close down
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we would have no need for profitprisons. We don't have a need for
them now, we don't have anyfrom now, but there will actually be
no, because, like we said, eighty percent of the people in prisoning
that states have not been convicted ofa crime. People should not be in
prison if they have not been convictedof a crime. Imagine that being like
the lowest moral point on this totempole, Like, oh, people are
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convicted of a crime. I mean, I guess like that that shows you
how low our morality is in theUnited States for us to even have to
have the conversation that people that havenot been convicted of a crime should not
be detained. And so people arelike, oh, the crime rate's gonna
increase. Actually, according to Americanprogress dot org, there is, my
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cousin, No, there is nocorrelation with an increase in crime rate in
these states and provinces that have gottenrid of cash bail. It's almost like
these like honestly though, like thesepeople who just got arrested for stealing a
car and are now out, they'renot going to go steal another car right
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now, Like they're not trying.Because here's the thing, though, if
you are actively out on bail orwhatever, or if you're actively outwaiting a
court date, if you get arrestedit again, you're going to jail.
You're going to jail. There isno bail, there is no bond,
There is no because you're shown atthat point your behavior is determined. Hey,
they can't be out because they're fuckingmenace here doing dumb shit. These
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people are a menace to society.They got to go in so they're actually
they're going to be smarter about theircrimes. I'm not saying that they're not
going to be doing their crimes,but they're gonna be smarter about it.
And also, if someone is injail for a drug offense or got arrested
for a drug offense, they're thefact that they got caught, Like shooting
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up heroin one should not be anarrestable offense, but two does not hurt
anybody else but themselves. They arenot a danger to society. And we
I mean, why are we arrestingpeople and giving the cash bail for having
a problem. We love to notrecognize it as an issue. We love
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to recognize it as oh, they'vegot drugs. Well, yeah, they've
got drugs, but it's because theyare trying to use those drugs. And
yes, we want them to besafe and not use those drugs. But
also we're already here, and youthink there's not drugs in jail. Thank
you, thank you, so thankyou. You're absolutely fucking right. And
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actually, one study shows that cashbail assignment was associated with a six to
nine percent increase in in recidivism.That means that in these instances a cash
bail, there's showing a six tonine percent increase in them committing another crime
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because these things are generally crimes ofpoverty. I'm in, I'm nothing to
do or show, just formula fromWalmart because I can't afford the forty five
dollars a can. It is rightnow too. If my baby food,
y'all, please don't have kids,Please don't have kids. So what's a
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what's a country without cash bail?A country without cash bail is a country
where our poor doesn't have to buytheir freedom. There was a tweet I
saw or something along. Of courseI couldn't find it when I was looking
for but it was basically very recent. It was like within the past two
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weeks where a lawyer tweeted that ajudge got mad at her because she when
they were talking about bail. Shebasically, oh, I'm sorry, your
honor, but my client's family can'tafford to buy their freedom, and the
judge got mad, like that's notwhat it's about, and she's like,
it's not, that's exactly, that'snot the fucking reality of the situation.
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Get out of here, of course. Yet, why do you think the
Kennedy's and things like that never seethe inside of a jail cell. You
could you set them up with amillion dollar bond and guess what, they
don't even have to go to thebail bonds and they just give you a
million dollar check and they don't evenhave to do that. On the way,
they don't even have to do thatbecause their uncle is best friends with
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the Supreme Court judge or who remember, and they're gonna be like, oh,
just let it go, let itgo, let them out. It's
good, and no, it's fine. It is the bail bonds. Bail
and bonds is a way to keeppoor, especially poor persons of color,
poor queer people, any poor minority. Because you don't think that they're looking
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at the butch or the stud oryou know, the effeminate or the person
who who presents as a gender thatthey weren't assigned to at birth. Do
you think that they're not getting punishedmore severely than their straight presenting counterparts.
They absolutely are, because we're acountry of hate and a country of prejudice.
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It's literally our foundation. So andthen not only that, but we're
putting trans women into mail prisons andthey still haven't even been even before they've
been committed of a crime. Rightit is. We're a country that doesn't
care give sgenics, homophobic, fuckingcrash whole country. Don't get it twisted.
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God bless our trash trash hole,so real quick before we wrap this
up tonight, one cash bail needsto go. It's trashy to go,
trash bail, trash, the trashpail, the trash pail about So,
I'm sorry, dog, I'm sorryall these other shows that have these bounty
hunters and shit, I'm sorry forI'm sorry. You can't continue to profit
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off of the pain of suffering ofpeople. But that needs to go.
What also needs to go is thefact that everybody in America is not automatically
eligible when they're eighteen to vote,and the fact that if you get convicted
of a crime in most states,you are not allowed to vote. What
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the fuck is that? If you'vebeen convicted of a felony. In those
states, misdemeanors don't generally coundmeanders generallydon't count for anything except keeping you from
getting higher paying jobs. Yep,yeah, yeah that's right. But yes,
so that's just the first two steps. We also need to dismantle the
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fact that judges can be appointed basedon their they're religious, and their political
affiliation. Let's stop with that ship, because what the fuck. If we're
going to have judges and they're goingto be appointed, they need to be
elected in the people need to electthem in. Or how about we just
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hire people based on their competency todo the job of Like, what the
fuck? But regardless, we alsoif we're if we're going to continue to
have a cash bail system, itneeds to be across the board. For
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a first offense auto theft, ifwe're going to be charging five thousand dollars
to the black kid, we needto be charging five thousand dollars to the
white kid. Now, I see, I don't even like that, because
here's the thing I said. Ifwe're gonna do it, I don't think
we should have it. Oh yeah, it's like I don't want it at
all. But if you're gonna haveit, there should be no variance.
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And if we do see judges wherethere are these variances, they need to
be investigated and they need to bedisbarred. Like if you have a judge
who all of their bails are tenthousand dollars and up, and you notice
that ninety percent of those people arepeople of color, that's a problem.
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Oh yeah, they don't care though. No, But I guess what.
The whole system needs to be overhauled. Fuck cash bail, Fuck the justice
system. It needs to be nojustice because here think fucking cash bail,
the idea behind it. You can'tbuild an equitable system on top of inequitable
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an inequitable system, Like you can'tbuild something equitably on top of something that's
historically from its inception been inequitable.Or also, if we're going to be
doing it on if they're gonna haveit, which they shouldn't be, maybe
it should be based on how muchthey can actually can afford, Like how
much do you make a year?You make thirty thousand dollars, Okay,
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here's the macs. We can chargefor that. But but why don't we
just stop? Yeah, let's juststop. Let's just let's just stop,
because there's no fair way to doit. Let's just stop nothing that because
if that person is not convicted ofit's not a rested for a violent cry.
Now, if somebody comes in whojust essayed their child, throw the
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fucking key away. You deserve todie. To die, And you're lucky
that I didn't kill you myself.They might have. Maybe maybe I'm the
one who's coming in. This isnot a confession. But if you are
out here like um, serial killingand doing all so other shit, you're
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not getting out. No, youare danger to society. The kid who
got drunk and went on a benderis not an overall danger to society.
The guy who got into a barfight is not an overall danger to society.
The judge would like, listen,what until your your day? Let's
not get drunk? How about that? Even the guy here's the thing crimes
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of poverty. Even the guy who'ssung a little bit of something something on
the corner, I don't care whatit is. No, it's not over
overall danger to society. He's notrunning down the street with a fucking machete.
Yeah, he's a danger to theperson he's selling to. But it's
not general society, right and ifthat person chooses to purchase her to do
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it. We are a country thatI swear it's a capitalistic country. We
are all about goods to services.He has given a thing free will from
the rooftops, pull yourself up bythe boot track. So then when somebody
does it in a way we don'tlike, we're just like, mmm,
I don't like it. Thank youfor listening to yet another enraging episode of
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Thanks I hate it where we hatethe cash fail in bond system, we
also hate you two dog. Rememberto vote today, vote today, literally
boat its cash bail is on somany fucking ballots, like if you don't,
are so many ballots. Also,early voting is on so many ballots
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they have. Also, let's talkabout the importance of the Senate and the
race because we need to get abetter pulled over, because there are bills
in process right now that will termlimit Supreme Court justices. Please please,
Well, I'm so little sick,so I can't be getting all like ooh,
(41:20):
drink your water. Remember that you'rethat bitch, will forever be that
bitch, and don't be like drinkand try to hate on my girl making
I'm literally everybody like, what's wrongwith you? That's why people are making
fun of you now. Seriously,fucking r Kelly looking motherfucker. Anyway,
is that your daddy? Okay?Thank you? Good? No, right,
Hi, it's Brittany and Windsor andyou're listening to Thanks I hate it a
weekly social commentary podcast. Well weactually do hate this topic. Um no,
it's in a lot of week things. Oh shit, it's a bi
weekly social commentary podcast. We're twofriends. Twice a month, sometimes once
a month if we have a lotof time, get together, shoot the
(00:23):
ship, throw the leaves, makeit rain. Forget the rest of it.
And so I just keep going onand on and on. Wait,
it's hi, thank you for socialsocial commentary podcast. We're two friends,
shoot the ship, make it rain. Why do I forget this? This
(00:44):
is how you know we haven't donethis in a while. Oh my god,
we ain't shit data, unsuspecting byye, unsuspected by standers, and
drink for the bottom shelf and havemental breakdowns. Please great literally me you
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guys. I'm having a girl interruptedNovember. Yeah. Great movie, terrible
topic, terrible topic. Much liketoday's episode. Great podcast. Today we
on this great podcast talking about terrible, terrible things. We are talking about
cash bail. So I'm going togive you a little bit of information on
(01:40):
what cash bail is. You willlikely hear some of my own opinions on
it, and then you're gonna talkabout it. We're going to have to.
And then Windsor is going to giveyou, you know what the world
could look like if well, noteven the world, what the United States
could maybe look like. What Like, there's a huge different friends, Like
there's a big, big, big, big overhaul that our justice system needs
(02:07):
to go through, a period,and it just starts at cash bail.
And it starts a cash bail andvoting. I mean it actually, if
we want to break it all theway down, it starts with dismantling like
everything, mail privilege, white privilege, it dismantling the burn it down and
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start over again. Yeah, wereally have to here at this point.
So I'm going to start out withcash bail. Interesting fact, the United
States is one of very few countriesin the world that utilizes this absolute machiavellian
process, so cash bail. Accordingto my friend Tony Messenger, who is
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an Illinois I believe it's from Illinois. He might be from Missouri, I
can't remember. Anyways, I thinkhe's from Illinois. He's a columnist who
wrote a book called Profit and Punishment, How America criminalizes the poor, In
the Name of Justice. Very goodbook. I very much suggested if anybody
read A Victied, which is anotherbook that I suggested on the podcast a
while ago. It definitely follows thatsame line of formatting. So it's basically
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got like little vignettes of persons andtheir experiences and then it gives you information,
which that's how I love to reada nonfiction book. If I'm going
to read a nonfiction book. Sidenote, I read the new Tito Rosie's
Kitchen and I fit out it tooin less than twenty four hours. That
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book was I love it. Idid too, So that was off topic.
Please leave that in though, Mia, We're still thinking about eagerly anyways.
So cash bail, essentially it's asystem that praise on the poor.
So, like I said, Iread that book earlier this year, and
it's very intently discussed the way thatcash bail probation not probation, like the
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fines and fees that you pay afterdealing with a quote criminal offense, are
used to punish you. In additionto the fact that you will likely go
to jail, you will likely haveto engage with persons that you don't want
to like, who the fuck wantsto actually engage with the police and judges.
Literally no one. But these aresystems that are put into place,
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especially in the United States, thatare meant to hold down the poor and
the working poor, and that entireclass of persons and even at times like
what's considered the middle class is helddown by this system. I see and
there's multiple reasons for this, oneof them being is that eighty percent of
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the prison population in the United Statesor people who have not been committed of
a crime. So what is prisonprison is a for profit system. If
these fell so are empty, theyare not making money, especially in for
profit prisons, where their intention isthey've got a corporation and literally they will
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work with legislators and people on theground to say like, hey, we
literally buy people, especially the children'sliterally buy that. Which we did an
entire episode on this where we reallyjumped into the depth and the scope of
for profit prisoning, especially at umin Southern States and at the juvenile level.
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They are this is a money grab. Remembering that what is it called,
It's not G four. I justread a book by fucking Angela Davis
and she mentioned G for a lot, but there's GEO something I can't remember
what it's called, but they area huge for profit prison and the idea
behind it is money. And sowith cash Bill, what we're using is
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money to hold down a large groupof persons, especially when so I get
arrested for a crime, which Imean any day now at this point,
I get arrested for a crime andI am taken to jail. Often get
your judge within the first twenty fourto forty eight business hours exactly because for
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this hearing, we don't want toever think that if we get arrested on
a Friday night, you will seethat judge any time before Monday. And
we better hope that Monday is nota holiday. You're lucky if it's on
Monday, because Monday they already booked. So also side note, if you
guys have warrants and you're going toturn yourself in, turn yourself in on
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a Tuesday through Thursday at six am, because they don't go to the courthouse
till seven. Yes, please,Actually you won't go to jail. You'll
go straight from the local precinct tothe courthouse. We're also not lawyers.
We are in fact vigilantes, sojust don't turn yourself in anyways. So
what they do know this wrong?I know this from experience, bitch.
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It was a it was a domesticOh, I didn't realize I had a
warran. It's not one of thosedomestics though, Like I don't want to
know it was he thought he wascute, throwing me over a fucking table,
and I fought back, and Ididn't realize that. I get I
had to do something, but Ididn't realize I didn't finish it. So
like when I went to go likeapply for food stamps or something, They're
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like, you got a warrant,And I'm like, the fuck, why
should you know that? What doesme having a warrant have anything to do
with my need for food? Becauseyou can't get food assistance when you are
actively fleeing or if you are havewarrants out for your arrest. I fucking
hate that because here's the thing itreminds me of. And then I'm going
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to get back on topic, Iswear to God, but it reminds me
of the fact that you cannot getum school assistance and or live in hut
housing if you have drug charges orif you've ever had drug charges. So
because I put everything through domestic Violetscope at this point, because that's what
I'm working in. Let's remember thatso many people are in jail for weed
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that is now legal. You can'tget you can't get government assisted housing or
go to college for something that isnow legal exactly, and you're allowed to
smoke outside of the college because inConnecticut, for example, I know that
in Connecticut they are actively working ongetting all the old charges expunged, in
getting everybody out of jail and everything. They're working on that. I think
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that's However, in Connecticut, it'sactually the laws of regarding smoking or doing
or whatever with marijuana are even morelax. And in California, doesn't Connecticut
to make it easier, because honestly, it was going to cost too much
fucking money to police this shit.Was anywhere you can smoke a cigarette,
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you can smoke weed. Sounds easyto me. So what also what they
did though, is they kind ofthey put more limits on where you can
smoke cigarettes. I mean, youcan't smoke cigarettes outside of schools anymore now
like so, but here's the thing, though, you have people sitting in
these jails to people who can't getgovernment housing. People who are who had
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bail revoked, tours sitting in jailfor years before they even get a fucking
trial, especially since COVID hit.Yes, they don't even have topic trials
and for these things that they haveand guess what, it's legal now,
legal now. And so that isone of the reasons that the cash bill
system it's a money grab. Soessentially, what happens when you get a
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ticket, when you can deal withum fucking getting arrested, even for a
minor crime, if you have finesand fees that you have to maintain with
the court system long term, thisis all a money grab to help fucking
financially fuel that municipality. So basicallyyou're getting I got a ticket in Rhode
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Island of fucking five years ago.I feel like it was I don't remember
when this ticket was. But theygive you an option in Rhode Island where
you can go to court and basicallysay, this is my first time getting
a ticket, I'll pay ninety fivedollars. So I paid them that ninety
five dollars. Every state does that. They do not. As somebody who
has lived in a bunch of states, I will tell really does not happen
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Connecticut, does You could pay fiftydollars as long as it's not a cell
phone in fraction, because if it'sa cell phone in fraction, they make
you pay that ship and understandably,but yeah, so they allow me to
do that. It's so excited.But that ninety five dollars, if we
take it and we split it up, it's paying not for me to be
incarcerated. Had I been arrested duringthat moment, it would have paid for
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the fees for the clerk to come. It would have paid for the stenographer,
I think that's what they're still called. It would have paid a variety
of fees. It would have possiblypaid towards the sheriff's retirement funds so that
they could retire one day. Butit pays for a variety of things that
don't necessarily have to do with thejustice system. And that is part of
the reason that our fees keep goingup. But it's also a reason that
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people want to keep cash bail inplace because they can then take this money
that they're taking from these families,but likely don't have this sweaty to give
because as we all know, andI will talk about later. You are
more likely to get a higher bailamount if you are a black, indigenous,
or otherwise person of color. Darkeryour skin is the higher that shit's
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gonna be. Exactly. Cash bailessentially is a bully tactic used by the
quote dresses system to ensure that somebodyis going to appear for trial. So
the government basically dangles this carrot.They say, you've been arrested and we're
gonna let you out, but youdo have to pay that ten thousand dollars.
And if you don't pay that tenthousand dollars up front, baby girl,
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then you are gonna go to jail. You're gonna sit in there until
we Oh they're not losing their houseyet though, because we're just on cash
bill. We haven't gotten into youractual bail bonds then yet. Oh,
not bonds, just bail. Yeah, we haven't even gotten into this ship
yet. But they're saying you're gonnasit in there. You're gonna sit in
there with all those people because youmight be a bad person, but you
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also know that you don't want tobe in jail with all these bad people.
Yeah, you get three hots anda cot, but you're gonna sit
in here. You're gonna lose yourjob, You're gonna lose your kids,
You're gonna lose everything about your livelihood, your identity, your existence if you
don't pay this. And this isfor somebody that hasn't been convicted of a
crime. No trial has a courtyet. We are literally in the beginning
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stages of this process. And it'spart of you just got arrested yesterday exactly.
It's part of how the fuck you'vegotten to see a judge just beyond
me. But it's one of thereasons that people want to keep this system
in place, because it is justthe money grab and we haven't even gotten
into the actual aspect of the trialyet, so we could drag this on
forever. And we saw this inthe story of Calif Browder. I'm gonna
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really quickly go through this. Oh, I just thought about him before you
said that also Calif, and thenyou said Khalife, and I get so
sad whenever you think about so I'mgoing to very quickly go through that appreci
him justice in this podcast podcast Ever, I don't think we could listen sitting
in the pearly gates. I hopehe's in the Pearly Gags just viben.
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For those of you who don't know, we have a list of m if
we ever do true crime, evenif it's related to something of people that
we just we can't because we knowthat we we know how we are,
and we're just not going to doit well enough. And people would either
already done it better than we couldever imagine to do, or it's going
to be too emotionally. Taxes ortheir families actively listen to these things and
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for these things, and we're notthe ones to do anybody justice so very
quickly. For those of you whodon't know, because you live under a
fucking rock, sorry for you aboutthat if you do. But they also
talk about him in the thirteenth documentary, Yes, which is a much more
appropriate place to get everybody needs towatch that documentary absolutely so. Clif Frowder
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was a young man in New York. He was falsely accused of sealing a
backpack. He was arrestedpack literally.I think he should have got a PTA.
He should have got a PTA,which that is not a thing in
places, so I don't know whatthat is. It's New York. They
don't have a promise to appear inNew York in Connecticut if it's under twenty
dollars, even if they let yougo or they give you a PTA.
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So he didn't even like bring youin that. That is again, our
country is so vast that we don'thave the same set of guidelines everywhere.
I'm putting myself on mute while youtalk. No, that's fine, because
um they arrested him regardless, andI know a lot of the homies that
have been arrested for about the sameamount. Anyway, So that he was
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arrested, he went into um seea judge. They gave him some absorbitive
amount of bail his family could notpay. He ended up being incarcerated during
this time. Now, mind you, mind you, mind you that he
had not been convicted of any typeof crime. So he's sitting in there.
Eventually he ends up in solitary confinement, which is not difficult if you
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do not conform in prison, ifyou make if you shake your fucking change
too much, you were going intosolitary. They do not have to or
need to or want to deal withyou. So he spent a great deal
of time in solitary. Eventually,any charges that were going to be brought
as a result of this, twentydollars backpack were dropped and he was released
with the unfortunate unfortunate that he ultimatelytook his own life based on the j
(15:28):
in fucking jail. Mind you,we didn't even say prison, So for
those of you who don't know,jail in prison are two different entities.
Jail is generally where you're going tospend your time if it's pre trial or
he was. He was. Hewas not in a good facility, no
one. They're still bad. Um, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean
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I sound like it wasn't terrible.They're still bad. But it's pre trial.
You have not been convicted of acrime. In New York. He
was in there for three years.I don't know he was in there for
more than zero years, which isthe expectation of New York for a thousand
dollars. It's usually the maximus oneyear in jail. Well after you,
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so they should yeah, yeah,we saw what happened to him, and
we saw what happened. There's actuallyvideos, many people there's saw videos of
guards torturing this poor man. Andif you think that doesn't happen, then
you are still living under a rockand we are here to turn that bitch
over like fucking Patrick Starr and letyou know that it happens all the time.
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If this is the first time you'rehearing that people are alic tortured in
prison and in jail, I amfamily is very outspoken about what happened to
him because they don't want it tocontinue to happen to other people as it
should not be because they don't suckingdisaster. But yes, he did complete
suicide as a result of a directresult of his experience. And this all
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star arted with cash bail. Theywere given an amount it did not have
the funding for it, which honestly, here's the thing, when if you
get arrested right now, I probablyain't got it. So you know who
would if I got arrested right now? You know who would bail me out?
Brian's mom my boss. I'll seemy boss because here's the thing.
So I've actually talked to her aboutthis because you know, when certain things
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happened with I told her what wasgoing on, and she was like,
so, just so you know,if you get arrested, I'm not going
to go in the jail, butI'll be outside with a check. Just
let me know. Yeah, myfather law would definitely bail me out.
Yeah, because she needs me,my father in lawn needs. She need
to take care of the kid.He doesn't think pretty outstanding. He's not
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wrong, he's not wrong. Butif we look at this without nuance,
essentially a family lost their child asa result of cash bail, because we
would started at there we go,there we go said it three thousand dollars,
okay, three thousand dollars, threethousand dollars for sixteen dollars backpack.
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So what they said was there wereother things in the backpack that made it
more valuable, a seven hundred dollarsiPod, which this was in the twenty
ten. So, bitch, ifyou had a seven hundred dollars iPod,
it's your fault. Yeah, likethe nanos were not that expension, bitch,
go to hell. But all ofthis because his family could not afford
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to pay the punitive costs placed onhis head before he was even convicted of
a crime. That's the part thatalways gets me about cash bails, the
fact that it happens before you're convictedof a crime. So We're always talking
about like innocent until proven guilty.If I'm innocent until proven guilty, why
am I paying for my freedom?I thought slavery ended in eighteen sixty five,
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and they want to say, oh, it's for the safety and the
well being of people. That's exactlywhat. That's a fucking goddamn lie,
a fucking line. But anyways,according to the Brennan Center, which I
did applique for a job there,you guys, cash bill is a generally
predetermined amount to which a fraction needsto be paid for a person to be
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released from incarceration after an arrest,but before a trial. All of this
again, I cannot emphasize this enough. Before a trial, before you're even
proven guilty or innocent, you gotto come out of pocket. That's like
me going, you don't get thatmoney back if you're acquitted. Exactly,
if they you're acquitted, they findyou're not guilty, it doesn't matter.
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You never get that money back.You just live without it. So if
I had ten thousand dollars and Igave my last ten thousand dollars to make
sure I didn't have to stay incarcerated, I'm just out ten thousand dollars.
And it's not even like I gota fucking speeding ticket. It's literally because
somebody decided in that moment that Iwas what they were looking for. Fucking
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garbage. And sometimes this isn't anoption, so say the bail route is
now your option. This is partof the reason one that we have such
an influx of pre trial detention centers. They're actually places outside of what's considered
to be your jail called a pretrial detention center. Whaley Avenue in New
Haven, fucking they have a juvieand they have pre trial there JSL pre
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trialed attention. I went there somany times when I worked for DCF and
I could not and nobody could underexplain to me, why why are we
calling it the pre trial detention?That means that every person in here that
will be in here for multiple daysis here before they have been convicted of
multiple days, multiple months. Ijust want one days because I didn't you
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know, listen, this was premental breakdown. I couldn't think about it.
I'm still living in a cloud tokick early. But this is an
influx of pre trial detention centers.And if someone receives a bail that can't
pay that, even the fraction goingdirectly to the court, which this happens
a lot of the times, becausethey be asking for all kinds shit.
I got a ticket a couple ofyears back. I keep talking about my
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ticket, so clearly I'm not agood driver. Fucking three hundred dollars offer
just for that ticket, So imagineme getting arrested for that crime. What
my fucking bail was gonna be insane But if you're not able to pay
that, this is where bail bondsman'scome in. They are a notoriously shady
business. They're not a group ofpeople I really want to fuck with if
I can avoid it. By itis such a morally gray area. They
(21:26):
have the right to enter your homeright because they expect collateral. They're saying,
I'm gonna pay this for you,but you're gonna back this shit up
and make sure that motherfucker shows upthere. We're gonna send dog to bounty
hunter after you, because we're gonnaput a bounty at his paintball gun with
his fucking paintball gun and his weirdfucking mohawk. I actually love that show.
(21:48):
It is my guiltiest pleasure. Next. I'm also speaking of this.
I'm reading now, granted the ninetiesinappropriate and offensiveness. Oh it is wild,
but I'm letting to go because it'snot out of any kind of ignorance
or malice or hate. It's justthe way it was in nineteen ninety nine.
So I'm still reading them because youknow, it gives me something to
(22:11):
read in between the books. AndI'm actually I'm reading the Janet Ivanovich Stephanie
Plum series. Oh okay, andshe got to read toxic shit sometimes and
where she is a not so greatbounty hunter. But it's it's actually really
some of these things she gets intois really funny. Her car's gotten blown
(22:32):
up like three times, she like, but it's wild what bounty hunters are
legally allowed to do. That's thefucking lutely. I used to watch Dog
the Bounty Hunter, Like the shitthat they would do was insane, and
it would kill me because he's awhite guy, and I know he lives
in Hawaii, but he would talkwith that very Hawaiian like. You know
(22:52):
how Hawaiians generally they've got like thatlilt in their voice. He would talk
with that, and that ship wouldmake me want to punch him in the
face because I was just like,you are not native to a wife,
bro, you're from fucking Colorado,Like you haven't been there that long.
Stop it. But that's when Ialso use sun black my guy, because
you're going to dive skin cancer.He's already dead of skin cancer. Get
(23:15):
the fuck out of here. He'sthere's no way he's still alive. I
refuse to believe it. But that'swhere like dog, the bounty hunters get
involved. This is where they,like Winter said, they can come into
your house because you put up collateralsaying that so and so will be there.
But here's the depending on the state, they can go into somebody else's
house if they have reason to believethat you're in there. I am the
(23:38):
dog, and that's how you getyour ass shot hunter, especially in Georgia.
M mmmmmmmm. So in addition toum, you know, just the
entire system being totally fucked. Ifyou are black, indigenous, or otherwise
a person of color, you aregenerally already fucked by this entire process.
(23:59):
So, especially if you're a maleperiod in the United States, for these
individuals, you are likely to experienceat least a nineteen percent markup on your
cash bail when it comes time togo to trial if you live in the
state of Maryland. In fact,twice as much for blackmails as any other
(24:23):
race. Sounds about right. Theyhave said, if you're gonna theoretically do
the crime because I can't prove thatyou've done it yet because we haven't got
a trial, you're gonna fucking payfor that shit, double the amount you
are more likely for the same crime. We take two quote offenders because technically
(24:45):
we haven't proven that they've done anythingwrong yet. We put them on a
piece of paper. We said,these are their exact crimes. They're identical,
and you give two different bail amountswhen you're doing something wrong. But
people are gonna likely know with therace of the individual receiving the higher amount
is, and that race is similarin the melanated range. They don't look
(25:07):
like this. They're not this colorexactly, if they're not palm colored,
if they're not winter warriors. Thelikelihood for you to get a big,
big, big big bond as apalm colored person you have to be quote
unquote career criminal. They're just gottabe sick of your shop. If you
don't sit your ass in there.I am tired of seeing you every Tuesday
(25:30):
at night. No thrill that.And or you are somebody who has possibly
completed an egregious crime with proof,but we're not going to trial. Yeah
we're also we're not talking about thingslike rate and murder. We're talking about
Yeah, you stole a car witha baby in the back and you had
like kilos of just drugs on you. Yeah, we're talking about the things
(25:52):
that honestly, you should get PTA'sfor. And like, what the fuck
is this about? Like what arewe even doing here? You we are
all wasting them think like murdles.We're not talking about their drugs, their
drugs, their crimes. I meantto say crime. But um, the
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only thing that we can really doat this point to make cash bail appropriate
is to end it and to reformthe entire fucking system. Yes, so
that's that. That's my speel oncash bail. It's a piece of garbage,
and it is a piece of garbage, and we really hate it.
(26:36):
So there are a few states inum states and provinces in the states that
have actually gotten rid of cash bail. Illinois is the most recent and we
heard those assholes like, oh mygoodness, what is Illinois coming too?
They just want all these criminals Iwant the criminals of arrests are non violent
(27:10):
crimes. So what they're doing basicallyis they're taking the seriousness, the egregiousness
of their crime, they're alleged crime, and they're using MAT's determine whether or
not they stay in jail until trialor until whatever, or they go home
(27:30):
until trial. They're basically saying,Okay, are you a danger to the
public at large if you stole fromWalmart? No, you are not.
You. So people are like they'rejust gonna lem no, seriously, no,
if you are in Illinois, ifyou are arrested for murder, for
(27:53):
rape, for anything like that,you're not getting out. You're gonna sit
there until your trial. That's thewhole point. The whole point is that
you are not going to be inthere if you if you are a danger
to others, then you go tojail. If you are not, you
go home until the time of yourtrial. So here's honestly the real thing
(28:14):
where cash bail versus because like wesaid at the very top of the episode,
jails do not make money. Ifcocks are empty. So those people,
well, those cocks that they probablyare empty. Hey, even though
you know you can't, you're notsupposed to be drinking off of jail,
(28:36):
Like, how are you gonna putsome money in for fifty years and been
like you can't drink off anyway?Insanity, that's off topic, But what
the fuck was I I'm so sorry? Um So, if you are going
to put people in jail, yeah, So, if you're gonna put people
in jail, and you're gonna say, okay, here's your bed, I'm
getting let's just say ten thousand dollarsa month for you whatever it is or
(29:00):
was a year or some shit likethat, I'm getting money for you.
So but since I'm not going toget this money from you, I'm gonna
get it from you with you payingfor it. So instead of the state
paying for this money, you're gonnapay for it. So regardless, they're
getting their money. But here's thething. If we got rid of cash
bail, in my non educated opinion, we would be able to close down
(29:25):
we would have no need for profitprisons. We don't have a need for
them now, we don't have anyfrom now, but there will actually be
no, because, like we said, eighty percent of the people in prisoning
that states have not been convicted ofa crime. People should not be in
prison if they have not been convictedof a crime. Imagine that being like
the lowest moral point on this totempole, Like, oh, people are
(29:49):
convicted of a crime. I mean, I guess like that that shows you
how low our morality is in theUnited States for us to even have to
have the conversation that people that havenot been convicted of a crime should not
be detained. And so people arelike, oh, the crime rate's gonna
increase. Actually, according to Americanprogress dot org, there is, my
(30:14):
cousin, No, there is nocorrelation with an increase in crime rate in
these states and provinces that have gottenrid of cash bail. It's almost like
these like honestly though, like thesepeople who just got arrested for stealing a
car and are now out, they'renot going to go steal another car right
(30:37):
now, Like they're not trying.Because here's the thing, though, if
you are actively out on bail orwhatever, or if you're actively outwaiting a
court date, if you get arrestedit again, you're going to jail.
You're going to jail. There isno bail, there is no bond,
There is no because you're shown atthat point your behavior is determined. Hey,
they can't be out because they're fuckingmenace here doing dumb shit. These
(31:00):
people are a menace to society.They got to go in so they're actually
they're going to be smarter about theircrimes. I'm not saying that they're not
going to be doing their crimes,but they're gonna be smarter about it.
And also, if someone is injail for a drug offense or got arrested
for a drug offense, they're thefact that they got caught, Like shooting
(31:22):
up heroin one should not be anarrestable offense, but two does not hurt
anybody else but themselves. They arenot a danger to society. And we
I mean, why are we arrestingpeople and giving the cash bail for having
a problem. We love to notrecognize it as an issue. We love
(31:44):
to recognize it as oh, they'vegot drugs. Well, yeah, they've
got drugs, but it's because theyare trying to use those drugs. And
yes, we want them to besafe and not use those drugs. But
also we're already here, and youthink there's not drugs in jail. Thank
you, thank you, so thankyou. You're absolutely fucking right. And
(32:07):
actually, one study shows that cashbail assignment was associated with a six to
nine percent increase in in recidivism.That means that in these instances a cash
bail, there's showing a six tonine percent increase in them committing another crime
(32:30):
because these things are generally crimes ofpoverty. I'm in, I'm nothing to
do or show, just formula fromWalmart because I can't afford the forty five
dollars a can. It is rightnow too. If my baby food,
y'all, please don't have kids,Please don't have kids. So what's a
(32:55):
what's a country without cash bail?A country without cash bail is a country
where our poor doesn't have to buytheir freedom. There was a tweet I
saw or something along. Of courseI couldn't find it when I was looking
for but it was basically very recent. It was like within the past two
(33:16):
weeks where a lawyer tweeted that ajudge got mad at her because she when
they were talking about bail. Shebasically, oh, I'm sorry, your
honor, but my client's family can'tafford to buy their freedom, and the
judge got mad, like that's notwhat it's about, and she's like,
it's not, that's exactly, that'snot the fucking reality of the situation.
(33:40):
Get out of here, of course. Yet, why do you think the
Kennedy's and things like that never seethe inside of a jail cell. You
could you set them up with amillion dollar bond and guess what, they
don't even have to go to thebail bonds and they just give you a
million dollar check and they don't evenhave to do that. On the way,
they don't even have to do thatbecause their uncle is best friends with
(34:02):
the Supreme Court judge or who remember, and they're gonna be like, oh,
just let it go, let itgo, let them out. It's
good, and no, it's fine. It is the bail bonds. Bail
and bonds is a way to keeppoor, especially poor persons of color,
poor queer people, any poor minority. Because you don't think that they're looking
(34:27):
at the butch or the stud oryou know, the effeminate or the person
who who presents as a gender thatthey weren't assigned to at birth. Do
you think that they're not getting punishedmore severely than their straight presenting counterparts.
They absolutely are, because we're acountry of hate and a country of prejudice.
(34:52):
It's literally our foundation. So andthen not only that, but we're
putting trans women into mail prisons andthey still haven't even been even before they've
been committed of a crime. Rightit is. We're a country that doesn't
care give sgenics, homophobic, fuckingcrash whole country. Don't get it twisted.
(35:19):
God bless our trash trash hole,so real quick before we wrap this
up tonight, one cash bail needsto go. It's trashy to go,
trash bail, trash, the trashpail, the trash pail about So,
I'm sorry, dog, I'm sorryall these other shows that have these bounty
hunters and shit, I'm sorry forI'm sorry. You can't continue to profit
(35:45):
off of the pain of suffering ofpeople. But that needs to go.
What also needs to go is thefact that everybody in America is not automatically
eligible when they're eighteen to vote,and the fact that if you get convicted
of a crime in most states,you are not allowed to vote. What
(36:07):
the fuck is that? If you'vebeen convicted of a felony. In those
states, misdemeanors don't generally coundmeanders generallydon't count for anything except keeping you from
getting higher paying jobs. Yep,yeah, yeah that's right. But yes,
so that's just the first two steps. We also need to dismantle the
(36:29):
fact that judges can be appointed basedon their they're religious, and their political
affiliation. Let's stop with that ship, because what the fuck. If we're
going to have judges and they're goingto be appointed, they need to be
elected in the people need to electthem in. Or how about we just
(36:51):
hire people based on their competency todo the job of Like, what the
fuck? But regardless, we alsoif we're if we're going to continue to
have a cash bail system, itneeds to be across the board. For
(37:13):
a first offense auto theft, ifwe're going to be charging five thousand dollars
to the black kid, we needto be charging five thousand dollars to the
white kid. Now, I see, I don't even like that, because
here's the thing I said. Ifwe're gonna do it, I don't think
we should have it. Oh yeah, it's like I don't want it at
all. But if you're gonna haveit, there should be no variance.
(37:36):
And if we do see judges wherethere are these variances, they need to
be investigated and they need to bedisbarred. Like if you have a judge
who all of their bails are tenthousand dollars and up, and you notice
that ninety percent of those people arepeople of color, that's a problem.
(37:57):
Oh yeah, they don't care though. No, But I guess what.
The whole system needs to be overhauled. Fuck cash bail, Fuck the justice
system. It needs to be nojustice because here think fucking cash bail,
the idea behind it. You can'tbuild an equitable system on top of inequitable
(38:21):
an inequitable system, Like you can'tbuild something equitably on top of something that's
historically from its inception been inequitable.Or also, if we're going to be
doing it on if they're gonna haveit, which they shouldn't be, maybe
it should be based on how muchthey can actually can afford, Like how
much do you make a year?You make thirty thousand dollars, Okay,
(38:43):
here's the macs. We can chargefor that. But but why don't we
just stop? Yeah, let's juststop. Let's just let's just stop,
because there's no fair way to doit. Let's just stop nothing that because
if that person is not convicted ofit's not a rested for a violent cry.
Now, if somebody comes in whojust essayed their child, throw the
(39:07):
fucking key away. You deserve todie. To die, And you're lucky
that I didn't kill you myself.They might have. Maybe maybe I'm the
one who's coming in. This isnot a confession. But if you are
out here like um, serial killingand doing all so other shit, you're
(39:27):
not getting out. No, youare danger to society. The kid who
got drunk and went on a benderis not an overall danger to society.
The guy who got into a barfight is not an overall danger to society.
The judge would like, listen,what until your your day? Let's
not get drunk? How about that? Even the guy here's the thing crimes
(39:49):
of poverty. Even the guy who'ssung a little bit of something something on
the corner, I don't care whatit is. No, it's not over
overall danger to society. He's notrunning down the street with a fucking machete.
Yeah, he's a danger to theperson he's selling to. But it's
not general society, right and ifthat person chooses to purchase her to do
(40:10):
it. We are a country thatI swear it's a capitalistic country. We
are all about goods to services.He has given a thing free will from
the rooftops, pull yourself up bythe boot track. So then when somebody
does it in a way we don'tlike, we're just like, mmm,
I don't like it. Thank youfor listening to yet another enraging episode of
(40:35):
Thanks I hate it where we hatethe cash fail in bond system, we
also hate you two dog. Rememberto vote today, vote today, literally
boat its cash bail is on somany fucking ballots, like if you don't,
are so many ballots. Also,early voting is on so many ballots
(40:59):
they have. Also, let's talkabout the importance of the Senate and the
race because we need to get abetter pulled over, because there are bills
in process right now that will termlimit Supreme Court justices. Please please,
Well, I'm so little sick,so I can't be getting all like ooh,
(41:20):
drink your water. Remember that you'rethat bitch, will forever be that
bitch, and don't be like drinkand try to hate on my girl making
I'm literally everybody like, what's wrongwith you? That's why people are making
fun of you now. Seriously,fucking r Kelly looking motherfucker. Anyway,
is that your daddy? Okay?Thank you? Good? No, right,
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