July 25, 2025 • 25 mins
In this week's episode of TIHI: TET, Brittany and Windsor discuss the First Amendment as it relates to Freedom of Speech and Obsenity, wherein we remind you to always exercise your right to STFU 🤫.
We talk Ulysses and what the 1A actually protects (and doesn't) you from.
We talk Ulysses and what the 1A actually protects (and doesn't) you from.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hi, it's Brittany and Windsor and you're listening to Thanks.
I hated a weekly social commentary podcast where two friends
shoot the shit about social issues, thro shaded, unsuspecting targets,
and drink from whatever show we.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Want because we're grown and we don't have to listen
to you. That is our first amendment, right, So are done?
I guess, I guess, lank or whatever. So anything interesting
happened to you this past week.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I've actually had a few interesting things happened to me. One.
I got called in for a part time position at
our local archives. Okay, I know, right, I don't know
how I'm going to do that with all my other stuff,
but whatever, I'm gonna It's.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Literally a dream position. You just get to go through
shit and be nosy.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Literally be nosy about that entire history of the world,
or at least this county. But then also I put
in an abstract to present it a local I mean
not a local conference, a conference for my PhD, and
they accepted it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I don't know son, hopefully in a live stream so
I could be in my like, hey, I know her
from my heart.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm gonna try to find a way to record it
and be like this for my homide. I, on the
other hand, went to the gym one and a half times,
and I drink almost enough water two days. Oh my god,
that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
A neurodivergent bitch who drinks her water.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I've been working on this water right here for two days,
two days.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And there's three ounces missing out of No, there's about
eight ounces missing out of that one whole cup of water.
Good job.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So much coffee though, I mean, that's.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
We're not dead yet, and apparently your body can't live
what a week without water? I can go a week
without drinking straight water, which obviously means I get sort
of enough through the copious amounts of ice coffee I drink.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, that's the legit.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And I mean, I still don't look like I'm a
fifty five year old woman, so I'm do something right exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You don't even look like a forty year old woman.
I don't have hate in.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
My heart, so I do. Well, I have hate, but
I'm not hateful. And that age is differking. That's that
leather right there, like when you sit in front of
the sun and you just sizzle that that leather that
sizzle you hear. That's your hate being burnt like some
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oil or some chicken.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's like a warm surface and the oil is just
popping off you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And that, ladies, gents, that is our First Amendment right
to talk shit.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Amen, they meant I love my First Amendment right, which
is under attack in this country, which is not surprising
in the very least, but the fact that it's so blatant.
I think our technical issues these past two weeks are
actually a godsend because of Stephen Colbert and the Late Show.
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That is a direct attack on First Amendment rights because
they're trying to bribe him. What do you mean they're.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Paying him an additional twenty million dollars for advertisements. That's
not how advertisements work.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
They want to shut that man up.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That man's little dick so bad.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
The man she's talking about is Donald Trump. And Stephen
Colberg recently found out that his show will not be
renewed after I think next season.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
They're going off about it, and I'm here for every
single on.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
They Oh yeah, absolutely they did.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They did a little skit with weird Out and with
limb Manuel and so they have all of like the
late night folks in their show. And their support love
to see it. And then they did a They had
an image like a cartoon of Trump holding onto the
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Paramount logo and then when they saw the camera, they
dove like it was the CEO at the cold Play concert.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You did see that. I did not see that, but
I did see John Stewart do an entire.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Skit with the choir saying fuck yourself, go fucking listen.
I felt it in my soul. But yeah, so I
will send that to you again because it's gold. But yeah,
so the First Amendment, let's talk about it. Have a
little bit of free speech, because the free speech is
the foundation of the First Amendment. And the First Amendment read,
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom
of speech or of the press, or of the right
of the people to peacefully assemble a petition the Government
for a redress of grievances. So there's a lot of
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stuff that's kind of packed in there, and that has
been shown through over one hundred years of Supreme Court cases.
So your right to walk into a library and pick
up a book is protecting in the First Amendment. To
write a book about whatever topic you want to is
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protected by the First Amendment, and so I wanted to
talk a little bit about obscenity laws. And we're telling
you we're working on this scene and I already have
how I know.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm so excited about our zine.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
We'll get there. You know, we habitually creative people. We're
more word creative people, but we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And sexually creative. M m.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean, spit roasting does sound kind of fun. That's
an inside joke, just true. That's what you get for
being drunk and going on ghost tours in Edinburgh. Okay,
you don't know when I said that. I forgot about
that when you were being roasted for your pants and
they were talking about actual spit worsting torture, and I
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was like, oh, that sounds.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Like a good time. She did. We were literally at
a nine PM like graveyard ghost tour, which I cannot
find the pictures for that. I can't find the pictures
I took in that dungeon I have, but the saucy
tour guide was roasting me my pants and then he
starts talking about spit roasting, and he's talking about torture
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and windsor absolutely says that sounds like a good time.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I just completely I wasn't even paying attention. It just
came out of my mouth, and everybody was just like
be there was like the reactions were kind of like
okay and okay. And then the one tourist who had
no idea what the fuck I was talking about. And
I hope he didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Go google it, but I hope he did.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You know what, I hope he did too. Maybe he'll
he'll find something to have fun with sexual liberation here,
and you know what, there we go. Let's talk about obscenity,
so fuck one of the biggest reasons, like we have
book bands, and we actually talked about book bands in
a previous episode of ours way back when our obscenity
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law is That's what they are using to try to
say that these books, mainly queer books, are obscene and
they're pornographic. Whereas I'm not going to get into what
makes it pornographic, because that's like a whole podcast right there.
But one scene of sexually explicit nature does not a
pornography make I read ye, trust me, I.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Can't tell you what it is. But she would know.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I would you would too, Yeah, because the.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Fifth another one of our phil of rights amendments.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But one of the reasons why you can walk into
a library and read a book that you want to read.
One of the reasons why you can just write what
you want to write. Why you can get onto the internet,
onto Beyonce's Internet in they are twenty twenty five and
go into archive of our own and write about other
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people's characters and put them in sexually explicit situations is
because of the book Ulysses. So this was actually really
interesting and I learned this at my job. Loved it
for me. So James Joyce wrote Ulysses over one hundred
years ago, and it was initially kind of like AO three,
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where it was being a published to a literary magazine
called The Little Review by chapters, so basically like you
know AO three, you have your your notifications on. So
he sent chapters as they were being done and they
were being published. Well, it gets kind of fresh. In
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certain places. They were actually taken to court and fined
for publishing obscene work, and this meant that no publishers
in the US could publish this. They were specifically prohibited
and other countries, including the UK, also followed suit. So
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it's explicit for now, but for them, they were clutching
those pearls.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Honey.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They showed Bloom, which is the male main character being
fisted in a brothel and his wife Molly musing on
the joys of being quote fucked hard by her lover. Listen,
this sounds kind of interesting. Maybe I should pick up Ulysses.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
They were getting down like that too, Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So basically this is why we have the laws that
we do have, specifically stating what makes something pornographic and
what does it And this is also what protects librarians
because there's a literary So basically they there's a literary
point to this. There are sexually explicit scenes, but they
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add to the story.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So in Fanish, we're gonna call this new language that
we're creating Spanish. It's not PWP. There's plat with your porn.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So I mean, if this isn't a smutfake where it's
just four thousand words of them and down and dirty,
this is actually a book that has plot ever heard
of it Actually, no, no kidding, but it actually they
did lift the ban on ulysses in nineteen thirty four,
and it wasn't until nineteen fifty nine that the UK
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followed suit as well. One of the reasons why it
was able they won was because it included such meticulous
descriptions of Dublin geography, buildings, conversation and people. And because
bodily functions, including sexual activities, are features of ordinary lives
of ordinary people on an ordinary deby. So because that
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these were basically snapshots into these people's lives in a
daily life in Ireland, that's why it's no longer considered obscene,
which is really interesting when you think about it, Like, well,
listen when I read that, when I'm sitting here at
my job and they're talking about dudes getting fisted, I
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was like, I love my job.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Before I give it over to Brittany. Given the fact
that the First Amendment explicitly states that the government can't
generally censor books, magazines, newspapers, or other form of published
or distributed text or visual media, it shows what when
there's an attack on this, how blatantly obvious it is,
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I believe it. We also need to remember that all
of this is about the government we have as people
have the right to read Ulyases, there's not an expectation
that every day, in private life, every single person should
have access to such material. I mean, because it's a
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private entity. Like if I sat here in my house
and I'm like, I don't want you reading this as
sexually explicit material, that is my right. That is not
an infringement on my children's rights.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Correct, because you're in your house.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I am in my house. And this is like my
biggest thing about book bands. Be a parent. It's not
the librarian's responsibility to tell your child what they can
and can't read. If you want to censor what they read,
which is your right as a parent, go to the
library with them.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
See apparently period.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Absolutely, But here we are, and this is something I
really do want to deep dive into, but I'm gonna
keep it brief here because listen, this is we're getting
this done on your daily commute, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Period. We want you to be able to listen to
us from the time you leave your driveway stoop whatever
until you get to that soul sucking job.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And I hope it's not soul sucking, because we do
want you to actually love your job.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Hopefully. Yeah, because you have to have it because these
times are not the times to be unemployed at all.
But britty, So when's it brought up? Actually a really
interesting point about freedoms, specifically freedom of speech and the
fact that if she's in her home and she decides
that she does not want for children reading something, she
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has access to be able to stop it. So that's
kind of what private entities do with our freedom of speech.
Oh my gosh, I don't know why I can't speak, but.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's they're restricting your freedoms through your mind.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
No, they said not to say this, you guys, I
love conspiracy theories, so that was perfect Windsor.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I mean it could have anything to do with your neurodivergencies.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I mean yeah, maybe not so. Freedom of speech, like
Windsor said, is part of the First Amendment of our constitution.
It's part of that Bill of Rights section where they
said everybody will have this. It's literally the space where
all of the country folk and the dudes with small
dicks say, I got Second Amendment raps.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But they don't actually know what Second Amendment actually says.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
They actually don't know how to spell amendment or how
to pronounce the word when it's spelled out for them.
So freedom of speech is freedom of speech when it
pertains to the government. The government does not have a
right to tell you who, what, when, where, how or
why to speak, with very few exceptions. That does not
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carry over to private entities. So space is like Facebook,
four Chan, Reddit or chalk or Instagram. I know four Chan,
it's awful. They have the right to determine what you
can say on their platforms. For instance, when Kamala Harris
made a big commentary about what is going on to
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the Palestinians in a way that was not necessarily reflective
of the reality of the situation, and I called her
a coon, Instagram had the ability to take that down.
They had the ability to say, you are not allowed
to say this on our platform, and as a result,
we are going to censor this comment whatever. I still
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stand beside it, even though I did vote for her,
because I'm not a dummy. So any private business has
a right to determine what you have the right to
say in their space, you know, to an extent, I
will say that even on a grander scale, say in public,
you say something. Freedom of speech does not equal necessarily
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freedom from consequences, period. And I think that's one of
the things that we often forget, is that freedom of
speech does not equal freedom from consequences. So if you
say something crazy and I slapped the shit out of you,
I'm a non violent person, ish y'all, But.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think I think the listeners could could hear my
eyebrow raise up to my hairline.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You had a right to say whatever you were going
to say and then to receive my consequence. So daring
is unpresidents At times, it definitely feels like a lot
more people are gunning for our freedoms. We saw that
when they started voting on equating anti Zionism with anti Semitism. God,
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when they started equating anti Zionism anti semitis so t
real quickmatic.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Because once the people realize that it is okay to
criticize a government, they know that they're going to get
criticized as well. Correct, Like, it is not anti semitic
to sit here and say that the Israeli government is
committing a genocide, especially when the international courts of do
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absolutely nothing has called it a genocide. And I, for one,
and I know you for two, cannot wait for the Trials.
I give it ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
For the name. Sitting down, I want to know what
the name is going to be. Well, we could call
it the Tallahassee Trials for alligator Auschwitz. Or we can
call them the Tennessee Trials, just because I like the.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The Columbia Trials, because Colombia is showing their ass.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The Harvard Trials.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Actually Harvard is the only one who's been all standing
on business. Yeah, so I sort of said.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Harvard, and I met Olympics because the Olympics just put
down some stuff too, or the un f Trials because
apparently now they're working with Ice to determine if any
of their students are undocumented. Just real mess up stuff.
And guess what, I have a right to say that?
Think I do in a country that gives us the
right to say that allegedly, Oh yeah, allegedly. Because we're
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in terrible times now, I will say that there are
limits to freedom of speech. Threats. You do not get
the right to threaten somebody you will or the government
or the president.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You cannot. You can say threats. You can say the
President of the United States is a little dick bitch,
but you cannot say that I'm going to explicit a redacted, redacted, redactor,
redactor redacted, because that is a threat, and that will
have the Secret Service at your fucking door.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
They'll be fisting you.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And just for legal purposes, There was nothing in that redacted.
It was just me saying redacted.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
She said redacted. I can confirm we have video anything
that incites violence. So if you walk into a movie
theater and you are a public space and you're like,
you know what, fight that bitch right there trying to
get all kinds of people fighting with your words, you're
getting in trouble.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
More so if there's a hate aspect to it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, I mean, because trustpect right, and to.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Light some bitches up that I've threatened to light some
bitches up literally, and the police are just like, go home.
But if there was actually a threat, like a legitimate
threat there, they told me.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
To go home.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was seventeen.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh okay, so they were like, man, get your dumb
ass home. So defamation, defamation does stop your freedom of speech,
and actually you have to prove it. Mercre the wife
of the president of France. Oh yeah, and obviously they're
in a different space. But she sued some individuals who
alleged that she can born a non female Candice, which
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you know, sex gender, those are two different things. But
she's very upset about it. She's also like seventy one. Fun.
She's seventy one and he's forty nine. And she met
him when he was in high school and she was
a teacher and they had an affair when he was
fifteen and now they're married. Gag. She looks good for
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seventy one. I know, she looks fantastic for seventy.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh. You know, be rich is great for your skin.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It is. Being rich is great for your skin. Obscenities
in some spaces and some spaces, once you start cussing,
they're gonna start fussing. Mm hmm. So be mindful you're
at school.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You can't just be calling people a fuck ass bitch
or at school. I mean I have, I have to,
but I also got punished for it, Yeah, because freedom
of speech does not protect us from punishment. Also in
national security concerns, and that's what they're utilizing with a
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lot of the Kalescinian content is the expectation that it's
a national security concern and as a result, we can't
say do express whatever. It is not a national security concern,
but it is a concern for their national pockets.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Speak it. So Also, freedom of speech should not be
confused with hate speech. Hate speech is defined as communication
demeans a group based on stereotypes and perceived attributes or
lack thereof. Hate speech can be protected under the First
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Amendment unless it crosses a certain.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Line, usually with that exactly in violence.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Exactly, and that is when it is no longer eligible
to be considered part of freedom of speech. Like you can.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Go to some random person and call them a slur,
that is your right. But if you say I'm gonna
kill you slur, sure, that is a hate crime. However,
if that video goes viral, your employer can say this
does not align with our values. You're costing us money
even though I completely agree with you, so you gotta go.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Which, speaking of videos, fuck you TK Waters share of.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Johnsville's You're a Bitch air Water a biit? Okay, Waters,
you suck, you suck. I said what I said, and
it's protected under freedom of.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Speech because I did not threaten you. Just god you
a big read it. So yeah, that's it. That is it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Listen, that is something that we can go on all
day about, and you should be really proud of us
for cutting it off air like so hard.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You guys have no idea how.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Hard, cause if y'all heard us back of the day,
we could be talking for something for two hours and
then just be chilling.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Half two and a half.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But that was Those were fun conversations, though, those long
ones were fun conversations every day every day. But yeah,
so remember you do technically, technically still have a right
to free speech. It is imperative in these times that
you know your rights absolutely and you exercise your right
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to shut the fuck up every day every day. If
a police officer or a government official or anyone wants
to step to you and say you're gonna be arrested
for this, know your rights to shut the fuck up.
This is something you fight in court.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Everybody has a right to shut the fuck up, btw.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And every lawyer worth their weight and anything will tell
you to shut the fuck up immediately immediately. You know
your rights, and you know your right to not only
have free speech, but shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean, we'll say that until the day we die. Actually,
I want that not on my grave because I don't
want to be buried, but like on my plaque, my
memorial pack to be like exercise your right to shut
the fuck up, said like Mike Lowry and I think
it was in Bad Boys too. Remember to drink your
water more than a cup of day if you can.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, I want at you.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
If you don't remember that you're that bitch. You know,
if ever be that bitch, know you're rights and until
next week, keep on keeping on. You are worth it
and shut the fuck up. Good night. I can
Hi, it's Brittany and Windsor and you're listening to Thanks.
I hated a weekly social commentary podcast where two friends
shoot the shit about social issues, thro shaded, unsuspecting targets,
and drink from whatever show we.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Want because we're grown and we don't have to listen
to you. That is our first amendment, right, So are done?
I guess, I guess, lank or whatever. So anything interesting
happened to you this past week.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I've actually had a few interesting things happened to me. One.
I got called in for a part time position at
our local archives. Okay, I know, right, I don't know
how I'm going to do that with all my other stuff,
but whatever, I'm gonna It's.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Literally a dream position. You just get to go through
shit and be nosy.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Literally be nosy about that entire history of the world,
or at least this county. But then also I put
in an abstract to present it a local I mean
not a local conference, a conference for my PhD, and
they accepted it.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
I don't know son, hopefully in a live stream so
I could be in my like, hey, I know her
from my heart.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm gonna try to find a way to record it
and be like this for my homide. I, on the
other hand, went to the gym one and a half times,
and I drink almost enough water two days. Oh my god,
that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
A neurodivergent bitch who drinks her water.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I've been working on this water right here for two days,
two days.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And there's three ounces missing out of No, there's about
eight ounces missing out of that one whole cup of water.
Good job.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
So much coffee though, I mean, that's.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
We're not dead yet, and apparently your body can't live
what a week without water? I can go a week
without drinking straight water, which obviously means I get sort
of enough through the copious amounts of ice coffee I drink.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Yeah, that's the legit.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
And I mean, I still don't look like I'm a
fifty five year old woman, so I'm do something right exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
You don't even look like a forty year old woman.
I don't have hate in.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
My heart, so I do. Well, I have hate, but
I'm not hateful. And that age is differking. That's that
leather right there, like when you sit in front of
the sun and you just sizzle that that leather that
sizzle you hear. That's your hate being burnt like some
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oil or some chicken.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's like a warm surface and the oil is just
popping off you.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
And that, ladies, gents, that is our First Amendment right
to talk shit.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Amen, they meant I love my First Amendment right, which
is under attack in this country, which is not surprising
in the very least, but the fact that it's so blatant.
I think our technical issues these past two weeks are
actually a godsend because of Stephen Colbert and the Late Show.
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That is a direct attack on First Amendment rights because
they're trying to bribe him. What do you mean they're.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Paying him an additional twenty million dollars for advertisements. That's
not how advertisements work.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
They want to shut that man up.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That man's little dick so bad.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
The man she's talking about is Donald Trump. And Stephen
Colberg recently found out that his show will not be
renewed after I think next season.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
They're going off about it, and I'm here for every
single on.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
They Oh yeah, absolutely they did.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
They did a little skit with weird Out and with
limb Manuel and so they have all of like the
late night folks in their show. And their support love
to see it. And then they did a They had
an image like a cartoon of Trump holding onto the
(04:25):
Paramount logo and then when they saw the camera, they
dove like it was the CEO at the cold Play concert.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
You did see that. I did not see that, but
I did see John Stewart do an entire.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Skit with the choir saying fuck yourself, go fucking listen.
I felt it in my soul. But yeah, so I
will send that to you again because it's gold. But yeah,
so the First Amendment, let's talk about it. Have a
little bit of free speech, because the free speech is
the foundation of the First Amendment. And the First Amendment read,
(05:04):
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom
of speech or of the press, or of the right
of the people to peacefully assemble a petition the Government
for a redress of grievances. So there's a lot of
(05:27):
stuff that's kind of packed in there, and that has
been shown through over one hundred years of Supreme Court cases.
So your right to walk into a library and pick
up a book is protecting in the First Amendment. To
write a book about whatever topic you want to is
(05:48):
protected by the First Amendment, and so I wanted to
talk a little bit about obscenity laws. And we're telling
you we're working on this scene and I already have
how I know.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
I'm so excited about our zine.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
We'll get there. You know, we habitually creative people. We're
more word creative people, but we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
And sexually creative. M m.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean, spit roasting does sound kind of fun. That's
an inside joke, just true. That's what you get for
being drunk and going on ghost tours in Edinburgh. Okay,
you don't know when I said that. I forgot about
that when you were being roasted for your pants and
they were talking about actual spit worsting torture, and I
(06:33):
was like, oh, that sounds.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Like a good time. She did. We were literally at
a nine PM like graveyard ghost tour, which I cannot
find the pictures for that. I can't find the pictures
I took in that dungeon I have, but the saucy
tour guide was roasting me my pants and then he
starts talking about spit roasting, and he's talking about torture
(06:57):
and windsor absolutely says that sounds like a good time.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I just completely I wasn't even paying attention. It just
came out of my mouth, and everybody was just like
be there was like the reactions were kind of like
okay and okay. And then the one tourist who had
no idea what the fuck I was talking about. And
I hope he didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Go google it, but I hope he did.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You know what, I hope he did too. Maybe he'll
he'll find something to have fun with sexual liberation here,
and you know what, there we go. Let's talk about obscenity,
so fuck one of the biggest reasons, like we have
book bands, and we actually talked about book bands in
a previous episode of ours way back when our obscenity
(07:46):
law is That's what they are using to try to
say that these books, mainly queer books, are obscene and
they're pornographic. Whereas I'm not going to get into what
makes it pornographic, because that's like a whole podcast right there.
But one scene of sexually explicit nature does not a
pornography make I read ye, trust me, I.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Can't tell you what it is. But she would know.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
I would you would too, Yeah, because the.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Fifth another one of our phil of rights amendments.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But one of the reasons why you can walk into
a library and read a book that you want to read.
One of the reasons why you can just write what
you want to write. Why you can get onto the internet,
onto Beyonce's Internet in they are twenty twenty five and
go into archive of our own and write about other
(08:43):
people's characters and put them in sexually explicit situations is
because of the book Ulysses. So this was actually really
interesting and I learned this at my job. Loved it
for me. So James Joyce wrote Ulysses over one hundred
years ago, and it was initially kind of like AO three,
(09:07):
where it was being a published to a literary magazine
called The Little Review by chapters, so basically like you
know AO three, you have your your notifications on. So
he sent chapters as they were being done and they
were being published. Well, it gets kind of fresh. In
(09:28):
certain places. They were actually taken to court and fined
for publishing obscene work, and this meant that no publishers
in the US could publish this. They were specifically prohibited
and other countries, including the UK, also followed suit. So
(09:49):
it's explicit for now, but for them, they were clutching
those pearls.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Honey.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
They showed Bloom, which is the male main character being
fisted in a brothel and his wife Molly musing on
the joys of being quote fucked hard by her lover. Listen,
this sounds kind of interesting. Maybe I should pick up Ulysses.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
They were getting down like that too, Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So basically this is why we have the laws that
we do have, specifically stating what makes something pornographic and
what does it And this is also what protects librarians
because there's a literary So basically they there's a literary
point to this. There are sexually explicit scenes, but they
(10:38):
add to the story.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So in Fanish, we're gonna call this new language that
we're creating Spanish. It's not PWP. There's plat with your porn.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So I mean, if this isn't a smutfake where it's
just four thousand words of them and down and dirty,
this is actually a book that has plot ever heard
of it Actually, no, no kidding, but it actually they
did lift the ban on ulysses in nineteen thirty four,
and it wasn't until nineteen fifty nine that the UK
(11:15):
followed suit as well. One of the reasons why it
was able they won was because it included such meticulous
descriptions of Dublin geography, buildings, conversation and people. And because
bodily functions, including sexual activities, are features of ordinary lives
of ordinary people on an ordinary deby. So because that
(11:39):
these were basically snapshots into these people's lives in a
daily life in Ireland, that's why it's no longer considered obscene,
which is really interesting when you think about it, Like, well,
listen when I read that, when I'm sitting here at
my job and they're talking about dudes getting fisted, I
(11:59):
was like, I love my job.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Before I give it over to Brittany. Given the fact
that the First Amendment explicitly states that the government can't
generally censor books, magazines, newspapers, or other form of published
or distributed text or visual media, it shows what when
there's an attack on this, how blatantly obvious it is,
(12:28):
I believe it. We also need to remember that all
of this is about the government we have as people
have the right to read Ulyases, there's not an expectation
that every day, in private life, every single person should
have access to such material. I mean, because it's a
(12:50):
private entity. Like if I sat here in my house
and I'm like, I don't want you reading this as
sexually explicit material, that is my right. That is not
an infringement on my children's rights.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Correct, because you're in your house.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I am in my house. And this is like my
biggest thing about book bands. Be a parent. It's not
the librarian's responsibility to tell your child what they can
and can't read. If you want to censor what they read,
which is your right as a parent, go to the
library with them.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
See apparently period.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Absolutely, But here we are, and this is something I
really do want to deep dive into, but I'm gonna
keep it brief here because listen, this is we're getting
this done on your daily commute, okay.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Period. We want you to be able to listen to
us from the time you leave your driveway stoop whatever
until you get to that soul sucking job.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And I hope it's not soul sucking, because we do
want you to actually love your job.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Hopefully. Yeah, because you have to have it because these
times are not the times to be unemployed at all.
But britty, So when's it brought up? Actually a really
interesting point about freedoms, specifically freedom of speech and the
fact that if she's in her home and she decides
that she does not want for children reading something, she
(14:12):
has access to be able to stop it. So that's
kind of what private entities do with our freedom of speech.
Oh my gosh, I don't know why I can't speak, but.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's they're restricting your freedoms through your mind.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
No, they said not to say this, you guys, I
love conspiracy theories, so that was perfect Windsor.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I mean it could have anything to do with your neurodivergencies.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
I mean yeah, maybe not so. Freedom of speech, like
Windsor said, is part of the First Amendment of our constitution.
It's part of that Bill of Rights section where they
said everybody will have this. It's literally the space where
all of the country folk and the dudes with small
dicks say, I got Second Amendment raps.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
But they don't actually know what Second Amendment actually says.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
They actually don't know how to spell amendment or how
to pronounce the word when it's spelled out for them.
So freedom of speech is freedom of speech when it
pertains to the government. The government does not have a
right to tell you who, what, when, where, how or
why to speak, with very few exceptions. That does not
(15:21):
carry over to private entities. So space is like Facebook,
four Chan, Reddit or chalk or Instagram. I know four Chan,
it's awful. They have the right to determine what you
can say on their platforms. For instance, when Kamala Harris
made a big commentary about what is going on to
(15:41):
the Palestinians in a way that was not necessarily reflective
of the reality of the situation, and I called her
a coon, Instagram had the ability to take that down.
They had the ability to say, you are not allowed
to say this on our platform, and as a result,
we are going to censor this comment whatever. I still
(16:01):
stand beside it, even though I did vote for her,
because I'm not a dummy. So any private business has
a right to determine what you have the right to
say in their space, you know, to an extent, I
will say that even on a grander scale, say in public,
you say something. Freedom of speech does not equal necessarily
(16:22):
freedom from consequences, period. And I think that's one of
the things that we often forget, is that freedom of
speech does not equal freedom from consequences. So if you
say something crazy and I slapped the shit out of you,
I'm a non violent person, ish y'all, But.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
I think I think the listeners could could hear my
eyebrow raise up to my hairline.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
You had a right to say whatever you were going
to say and then to receive my consequence. So daring
is unpresidents At times, it definitely feels like a lot
more people are gunning for our freedoms. We saw that
when they started voting on equating anti Zionism with anti Semitism. God,
(17:16):
when they started equating anti Zionism anti semitis so t
real quickmatic.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Because once the people realize that it is okay to
criticize a government, they know that they're going to get
criticized as well. Correct, Like, it is not anti semitic
to sit here and say that the Israeli government is
committing a genocide, especially when the international courts of do
(17:49):
absolutely nothing has called it a genocide. And I, for one,
and I know you for two, cannot wait for the Trials.
I give it ten to fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
For the name. Sitting down, I want to know what
the name is going to be. Well, we could call
it the Tallahassee Trials for alligator Auschwitz. Or we can
call them the Tennessee Trials, just because I like the.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The Columbia Trials, because Colombia is showing their ass.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
The Harvard Trials.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Actually Harvard is the only one who's been all standing
on business. Yeah, so I sort of said.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Harvard, and I met Olympics because the Olympics just put
down some stuff too, or the un f Trials because
apparently now they're working with Ice to determine if any
of their students are undocumented. Just real mess up stuff.
And guess what, I have a right to say that?
Think I do in a country that gives us the
right to say that allegedly, Oh yeah, allegedly. Because we're
(18:47):
in terrible times now, I will say that there are
limits to freedom of speech. Threats. You do not get
the right to threaten somebody you will or the government
or the president.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
You cannot. You can say threats. You can say the
President of the United States is a little dick bitch,
but you cannot say that I'm going to explicit a redacted, redacted, redactor,
redactor redacted, because that is a threat, and that will
have the Secret Service at your fucking door.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
They'll be fisting you.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
And just for legal purposes, There was nothing in that redacted.
It was just me saying redacted.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
She said redacted. I can confirm we have video anything
that incites violence. So if you walk into a movie
theater and you are a public space and you're like,
you know what, fight that bitch right there trying to
get all kinds of people fighting with your words, you're
getting in trouble.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
More so if there's a hate aspect to it.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, I mean, because trustpect right, and to.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Light some bitches up that I've threatened to light some
bitches up literally, and the police are just like, go home.
But if there was actually a threat, like a legitimate
threat there, they told me.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
To go home.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I was seventeen.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh okay, so they were like, man, get your dumb
ass home. So defamation, defamation does stop your freedom of speech,
and actually you have to prove it. Mercre the wife
of the president of France. Oh yeah, and obviously they're
in a different space. But she sued some individuals who
alleged that she can born a non female Candice, which
(20:31):
you know, sex gender, those are two different things. But
she's very upset about it. She's also like seventy one. Fun.
She's seventy one and he's forty nine. And she met
him when he was in high school and she was
a teacher and they had an affair when he was
fifteen and now they're married. Gag. She looks good for
(20:53):
seventy one. I know, she looks fantastic for seventy.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Oh. You know, be rich is great for your skin.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It is. Being rich is great for your skin. Obscenities
in some spaces and some spaces, once you start cussing,
they're gonna start fussing. Mm hmm. So be mindful you're
at school.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
You can't just be calling people a fuck ass bitch
or at school. I mean I have, I have to,
but I also got punished for it, Yeah, because freedom
of speech does not protect us from punishment. Also in
national security concerns, and that's what they're utilizing with a
(21:34):
lot of the Kalescinian content is the expectation that it's
a national security concern and as a result, we can't
say do express whatever. It is not a national security concern,
but it is a concern for their national pockets.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Speak it. So Also, freedom of speech should not be
confused with hate speech. Hate speech is defined as communication
demeans a group based on stereotypes and perceived attributes or
lack thereof. Hate speech can be protected under the First
(22:11):
Amendment unless it crosses a certain.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Line, usually with that exactly in violence.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Exactly, and that is when it is no longer eligible
to be considered part of freedom of speech. Like you can.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Go to some random person and call them a slur,
that is your right. But if you say I'm gonna
kill you slur, sure, that is a hate crime. However,
if that video goes viral, your employer can say this
does not align with our values. You're costing us money
even though I completely agree with you, so you gotta go.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Which, speaking of videos, fuck you TK Waters share of.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Johnsville's You're a Bitch air Water a biit? Okay, Waters,
you suck, you suck. I said what I said, and
it's protected under freedom of.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Speech because I did not threaten you. Just god you
a big read it. So yeah, that's it. That is it.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Listen, that is something that we can go on all
day about, and you should be really proud of us
for cutting it off air like so hard.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
You guys have no idea how.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Hard, cause if y'all heard us back of the day,
we could be talking for something for two hours and
then just be chilling.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Half two and a half.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
But that was Those were fun conversations, though, those long
ones were fun conversations every day every day. But yeah,
so remember you do technically, technically still have a right
to free speech. It is imperative in these times that
you know your rights absolutely and you exercise your right
(23:57):
to shut the fuck up every day every day. If
a police officer or a government official or anyone wants
to step to you and say you're gonna be arrested
for this, know your rights to shut the fuck up.
This is something you fight in court.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Everybody has a right to shut the fuck up, btw.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
And every lawyer worth their weight and anything will tell
you to shut the fuck up immediately immediately. You know
your rights, and you know your right to not only
have free speech, but shut the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
So shut the fuck up.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
I mean, we'll say that until the day we die. Actually,
I want that not on my grave because I don't
want to be buried, but like on my plaque, my
memorial pack to be like exercise your right to shut
the fuck up, said like Mike Lowry and I think
it was in Bad Boys too. Remember to drink your
water more than a cup of day if you can.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, I want at you.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
If you don't remember that you're that bitch. You know,
if ever be that bitch, know you're rights and until
next week, keep on keeping on. You are worth it
and shut the fuck up. Good night. I can
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