May 16, 2025 • 44 mins
We welcome you to Time Added On - an extra podcast we have decided to create to deep dive even more into the 90's.
In this episode Jonesy asks Woody to dive deep into his love for Sheffield Wednesday, reminiscing about the club's history, iconic players, and memorable matches from the 90s. They discuss their favorite kits, the impact of legendary players like Chris Waddle and David Hirst, and the defining moments that shaped their fandom. The conversation flows into building the ultimate 90s 5-a-side team, highlighting the unique stories behind each player's contribution to the club's legacy.
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Hello and welcome to Time Added on.
Hello, Hello, the little show we're doing.
I love these. Yes, it's the guest who have I
gone on. Surprise, surprise, it's Woody.
We got to get. You.
Hey, I was, I was first and yeah, got to get this Wednesday
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one done mate. I'm I know.
To this one Yeah, me too. I know.
I'm actually love talking about the the Wednesday.
So yeah. And look, look how we're dressed
for those. People I know.
For those people who are watching on Spotify and YouTube.
And you, I've said this before, I've said this before, we are
very well like equipped with ourvisual podcast, obviously,
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thanks to you, but we're always so well colour coordinated.
We are like, I think there's a career in fashion for you and me
for this because whenever we tell each other before a show,
like what shirt you're gonna wear, we always complement each
other. You know?
Absolutely. It's never like affirmative, but
you know, we always work it. And I mean, look at the the logo
and everything. I feel like it's my birthday
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today. This is all about me.
It's all about you and the Wednesday.
I've just literally changed up all the graphics, everything.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to this one.
So firstly, what are you wearing?
I am wearing the 92 to 93 away shirt so for those of you that
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aren't watching on YouTube, it is yellow Umbro with black.
I would say pinstripes but maybethey're a little bit thicker
than a pinstripe. But yeah, sponsorless version
today. I do have one with a sponsor on,
I've got the Premier League patches and I've also got Chris
Waddle on the back of this, but.Course you did.
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As always. I am looking forward to getting
into your favourite kits. I obviously we love everything
kit so yeah, I can't wait to deep dive into that one.
All right, cool. I think we're going to get onto
it mate, because it's all about you today, okey?
Dokey on your. Wednesday, I guess we'll just go
into before we'll go into it. What?
Why? Why the Wednesday mate?
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What happened to the Wednesday? It's, it's no secret, I think
I've I've shared this many a time before, but it was the 1993
FA Cup final. It was on ITVI believe brother
is an Arsenal fan so obviously we were watching that Wembley
for him. I can vividly remember though,
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it was the final countdown by Europe that played and basically
it come upon like, you know, do not the old graphics of the
teams and whatever before the match.
And I saw Sheffield Wednesday's kit and I thought, hello, this
is nice. So I kind of just started from
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there and I watched Sheffield Wednesday watch the highlights.
I watched obviously the the roadto the FA Cup final and it just
kind of blossomed from there, mate, to be honest.
It was a it was a kit association and then it went
slowly to players and then yeah,I've just been obsessed ever
since. Brilliant, brilliant.
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Well, I've got to say, you're the only Wednesday fan and I.
Do you know, I suppose like I can always remember as a kid,
right, that non uniform day and things like that, where you
don't have to wear your school uniform.
I would always wear a chef or Wednesday shirt.
So a lot of my mates, a lot of teachers and that were like, who
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the hell is that? Who are they?
Why are you wearing chef or Wednesday?
Because I live down the South ofthe UK, so my my nearest team is
either red in or Oxford, right? So I have no like link locally
to Sheffield but obviously me rocking up on non uniform day
and paying my pound to charity to wear a chef for Wednesday
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Chopper chop shirt. You know, hardcore, I think.
We're going to jump into your favourite player.
Favourite players. So I'm just going to jump right
into it. So who was your, I mean, we
already know it, but your first footballing hero?
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Yeah, first 4 billion hero has to be Chris Waddle.
Oh yeah, I mean, without a doubt.
I mean, it's just he was just a class footballer.
He was fun to watch. He just created havoc on the
wing. And just I like that kind of
attacking style of play, that one that can bring a game to to
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the opposition. You know, that just added a bit
of flair. You look at the likes of the
Ronaldo's, the Messi's now that were kind of dribbling in
between players at the early starts of their career.
That is who I associate as a 90s, Chris Waddle.
Chris Waddle took it to players.You know, he was a channelling
footballer and yeah, he was justunbelievable to watch.
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I think that we, we've spoke about this before in previous
episodes, but the positions of players have seemed that the
dynamics have just changed now. So there doesn't really seem to
be a winger anymore in A442 formation, you know, one that's
going to run the channel, could put a decent corner in, could
get across, can cut inside, you know, like the gigs is and the
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Kochelskis, the overmarses and all that sort of stuff.
It just doesn't happen anymore. And I think Chris Waddle just
created something so different. I mean, he took the world by
storm when he was at Marseille, and he's voted now in the top.
I think he's in the top three oftheir greatest players of all
time. Is that right?
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Yeah. So I mean, to be in that for
such a short window, it's incredible.
I. Mean How many seasons was he
Wednesday for? So he was with us from where was
he with us from? I think it was the 92 season so
and then to 96. So I think it was only Four
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Seasons. Yeah, but still impact he did,
yeah. But massive impact, yeah, I
mean, towards the latter part ofhis career was plagued by
injury. But yeah, he just, he added
something different. But like, if we're talking about
Sheffield Wednesday players across the 90s, there are so
many I could mention to you. Yeah, I was going to ask you.
So you've got obviously what allwhat all would come out of you
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as your the fan favourite. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What about? Who do you think is Mr
Underrated for Wednesday during the 90s?
Mr Underrated. Yeah, someone who got, you know,
Yeah. He never quite got the spotlight
they deserved. David Hurst 100%, I mean he was
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loved among chef or Wednesday fans.
So within the chef or Wednesday community he is the pinnacle
striker. I think from a world football
perspective and international, Ithink he was highly disregarded.
I mean obviously Man United wanted to buy him at 11 stage
and just his kind of natural finish, inability, he was the
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perfect striker, boisterous, strong, like tenacious, quick,
good on his, good with his feet,good in the air.
You know, he was an all rounder.So I think he complemented any
sort of attacking set up for Sheffield Wednesday.
Yeah, I guess you can put him inlike kind of the goal machine as
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well. One of the best strikers you've
had in that list, wasn't he? Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, did. You rate Mike Bright.
Yeah, I did again and very closeto underrated.
I think his again. Him and Hearst were a perfect
complement to one another, whichagain, was a sort of Mark Bright
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was brilliant in the air, very good at holding it up very
strong, knocking it down for forDavid Hurst.
And yeah, I mean, they were a prolific partnership.
And again, it works like that. I know we've spoken on previous
episodes about like, Shira Sutton, like Dwight York and
Andy Kolbe, Camp Henry, like youhave to have that sort of
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partnership up top because that's how it works, you know?
There we go. Yeah, sorry.
Obviously. Why would you put the cameo in
that kind of bracket of, you know, fan favourite,
entertaining? What was it to you to cameo?
The more and more I see of the cameo, like from Sheffield
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Wednesday, the more I just saw he sort of caused too much kind
of like havoc within the club. Yeah.
I mean, I love the fact that he played for Sheffield Wednesday.
I know he put his heart and soulinto games, you could clearly
see that. But I think he probably created
more issues for Sheffield Wednesday than he did good at
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times. But I don't know, I think it was
just like his temper because obviously we were his first
English club from when he comes from Celtic, so he was a swap
with Reggie Blinker and Cash. So obviously we did very well
with that deal. I.
Think so. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
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But yeah, he, he brought a lot of European kind of flair to the
team and he was very passionate about it.
But he he seemed to control himself better when he was at
West Ham. So I don't know if it's a
management thing, but yeah, he was very off the rails at times
for us. Yeah, I mean I I kind of got
this next one here, the player, the one that got away.
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Was there a player that you wishstayed longer or you know, I
stayed to fulfil their potentialat the club?
It's only player. You just thought he's gone to
certain this guy. I think you could easily say
that about Carboni. Yeah, yeah, I think.
Is he there for? Yeah, 95 to I think it was 98 I
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think so, yeah, a couple of seasons again, he sort of had a
longer career in the Premier League.
Obviously go into, was it Bradford Villa?
So you went to Villa, didn't he?And then Bradford played Derby I
think as well. So yeah, he had stayed in the
Premier League a lot longer. But obviously our tenure within
the Premier League come to an end just before or just after he
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left, so he probably would have gone anyway.
But I think he he added a very different dynamic to our team,
whether he played on the wing and attacking midfielder or
striker. But yeah, I think he was.
He was a player that you kind ofwished you'd have kept on a bit
longer, definitely. Yeah.
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So what do you think the 90s players still mean to the fans
today? Just think, I mean you went to a
a Wednesday event, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, I did.
Still. Yeah, define.
Do you think they still define the club's identity for a lot of
supporters? Massively, yeah.
I mean, the the the 90s for Sheffield Wednesday was an
amazing period to be a SheffieldWednesday fan.
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Yeah. And obviously you've only got to
see the lights of John Sheridan,Carlton Palmer and then like the
Des Walker, you know, but Danny Wilson we had like John Harks,
we had a great Paul Warhurst. But Chris, Bart Williams, rest
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in peace. Like, incredible.
You had a heck of a team. Yeah.
I mean, we were competing for you in Europe at one stage.
I think on our last episode we talked about Paul Wallhurst,
didn't we? You know, he could play any, he
could play anywhere, couldn't he?
Yeah, and he did for us. I mean he often did a job at
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centre back and then forward andthe 93 season he was incredible,
which subsequently ended up him being poached by Blackburn.
So yeah, I mean we had some great players, but we had a lot
of all rounders as well. I mean, Carlton Palmer was
always a player that was hailed as the wrong player to play for
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England, but he was a workhorse.He never stopped running.
Yeah, I thought he was a brilliant midfielder.
Like his energy was incredible and he played centre back, He
played like midfield and he complimented John Sheridan
perfectly in the centre mid because Sheridan would be the
pick in the past, getting the tackles in Palmer would work to
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get it back. And again, it's that clever
click that works so well, because that went straight up to
Mark Bright and David Hurst up front.
Waddle on the wing. What else do you need?
Excellent. All righty, I think you've
covered that perfectly. Hey, I think we're going to go
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to favourite goal or goal. Yeah, I think so.
Sorry, I guess the first question would you be what,
what's the first Wednesday goal from the 90s that really stuck
with you? Was the one that you just saw
and just went whoa. Well the one that the first one
that stuck with me and is one ofmy favourite goals is Chris
Waddles against Sheffield Unitedin the FA Cup semi.
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The free kick so. That would have been, yeah, one
of your like, yeah, yeah. I mean, that was, yeah, that was
an incredible goal. And just what that meant to the
club and the passion that you saw in his celebration, like
that was just the pinnacle goal.I mean, that's still celebrated
now. His his goal at Upton Park as
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well in the 9394 season was beautiful.
And, you know, I think that was that was a classic goal.
But one that sticks out to me the most would be Peter Atherton
at Villa Park in the 90s. Four, four season.
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I think because obviously it comes back.
It's a bit of a pinball in the Aston Villa box and I think it's
Bosnich. It might be Spink, don't quote
me, but the goalkeeper just little clears it out and doesn't
get back in his goal quick enough.
And Atherton just like hits it first time, but they're like
almost lobs. But it goes straight into the
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top corner. And back in the 90s with the
goals when they used to just slope down, I used to be the net
used to be so tight in the stanchion of the goal.
So that that would probably comeuntil I've got underrated gems.
So a lesser goal that doesn't get talked about enough.
So yeah, probably some sums thatgoal up, doesn't it?
Yeah, yeah, I'd say so. I mean, there've been some
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classic goals. I mean, even like Richie
Humphreys with his lob against Leicester in 9596.
That isn't on the same didn't he?
Yeah, yeah. And again, like a lot of goals,
I mean, Carvoni has scored some absolute world ease as well in
the 9596 season. So they have been great goals.
I think for me though, it's likeI think the the, the pinnacle
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one has to be Chris Waddles against Sheffield United just
because of what it the kind of the whole the day and the
occasion. But there have been some
absolutely beautiful goals over the sort of period do.
You have a obviously commentary makes the goal GG.
Can you think of a goal from an era that was made better by the
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commentary? I don't think so because
whenever I've listened to like Sheffield Wednesday commentary
or videos in the past, it's all been so dry.
I just put that one in from thatprevious episode where yeah,
Liverpool really on song like other Liverpool ones I could
pick out. But yeah, I was just wondering
if there's any Wednesday, No. No, I wish I could recall
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something like that, but I mean,only moments that I can remember
in terms of games. But yeah, not nothing like that,
I'm afraid. We didn't have a title running
or anything like that. They did we.
So yeah, that's. Right, so if you could pick one
goal, you'd think it's that waddle against Sheffield United
goal. I think so.
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Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I like that.
All righty, let's move on. Hey, favourite match or
favourite match is I think because I think you, I think
you've got more than one, don't you?
Yeah, I've got a few. I mean my first Chef Wednesday
match is always a memorable 1 for me.
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Oh, I have got a few. So the one of them is Sheffield
Wednesday beating Manchester United 3/1 in 1998, Ninety 9.
And I recently shared that on myInstagram with the kits that
we've got. And I think we've also had in
the mailbag from Tom. That was one of his memories and
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I think from a chef or Wednesdayfan to beat Manchester United so
convincingly like we did back then, that was an incredible
game. And Nicholas Alexanderson was
just on fire. So you reckon that was one of
the most satisfying wins? That was like a that was a brag
in the playground, you know, like over the weekend, like we
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beat Man United. Yeah, I.
Love them. Yeah, absolutely.
Because everywhere was a Man United fan, so, you know, you
could. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. You never had that opportunity.
And when when you got it, you took it.
Yeah, definitely. So you, you obviously we talked
about, you've been to Hillsborough a few times.
Sure. Yeah.
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Do you remember a home match which had the most electricity?
I mean, she didn't go to every game, but it was there any game
you went to where the crowd was like, we're up for this?
Well. My first one I would say was
incredible because it was Sheffield Wednesday, Arsenal.
It was the 9899 season so obviously we had Arsenal that
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were reigning Premier League champions.
Yeah. The atmosphere was incredible in
terms of like, yeah, of how the game was just, it was a
dominating game. And obviously there was tackles
going in all over the place because Keone was on it.
You had Adams and then the cameowas just ready and raring to go.
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And that's what I mean about histemper.
Subsequently gets sent off and pushes over Alcock the referee,
didn't they? So my vivid memory of that is I
I sort of turn to the side like this to see it because yeah, I'm
in the the family stand and thismassive guy just stands right up
in front of me just as I see thecameo put his hands on the
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referee like this. I'm like Oh my God.
And just honestly, the whole crowd just goes absolutely
berserk. But you've probably witnessed
one of the greatest moments in Premier League history at that
point. Still gets shown today, doesn't
it? Yeah.
So yeah, definitely. I mean, unfortunately my my
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history was Chef on Wednesday. Since then, I think that would
have been my one and only Premier League game that I could
go to because obviously the season, yeah, season later I
think we well, the season after that we got relegated.
So it was all Division One. Get on to that emotional roller
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coasters. Obviously there was a game.
Most games have emotional sayings, you know, Joy knows.
Frustration obviously suffered relegation as well.
Yeah, quite a few. Yeah, yeah.
Oh goodness. But yeah, so if you could
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rewatch just one Shepherd Wednesday game from the 90s
start to finish, which one wouldyou pick?
I absolutely loved the FA Cup final.
I really, I've watched it a few times.
I got on DVD. Yeah, I think the first time
obviously when it was the one all game.
I just thought it was just so amazing to rewatch it and go,
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wow, we actually played in an FACup final.
That was incredible. Yeah.
Another great game that I loved as well was Derby away
subsequently. We were in this kit actually and
it was on the the build up for the FA Cup.
I think it was the FA Cup, dare I say the fifth round or the
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quarterfinals and it was basically at the Baseball Ground
for Derby and Marco Gabby Adini was playing.
I think it would have been Paul Kitson maybe up front for Derby
as well, but it was literally one nil, one all, 212 all and I
think we, I think I might have been 3 all or 4 all.
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And I. Remember whether we then beat
them back at Hillsborough in thereplay?
But that was a phenomenal game. And I remember like 90s football
at that point was just literallythrow the kitchen sink like win
or bust. Excellent.
All right, let's get those VHSS out.
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I know. Yeah, all.
Right, let's go. You bring kits or favourite
kits? Sorry, first question, what was
the first Sheffield Wednesday kit you remember falling in love
with? The first one I remember falling
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in love with was the Home Shirt 9394.
I love that kit. Yeah.
I mean, it's just a beautiful kit in terms of just the name
set and everything. So for those listing on Spotify,
the home shirt from 9394, I've got Chris Waddle on it with the
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Premier League patches. But yeah, just the blue and
white stripes. This was the first home kit that
I had because I had the full kitwhen I was a kid and just the
colour blue, the trim yellow trim and the Puma kind of
detailing on the the stripes wasjust beautiful.
I love how are they like we talked about sponsors before,
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but how like that sponsor complemented?
This year, yeah, yeah, it's sponsors making it.
Yeah, sponsors making a shirt. Yeah.
How long did they have SandersonForce?
Obviously the shoot you've got there doesn't have a sponsor.
No. So then you go to.
Sanderson. It was added.
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Oh, OK, yeah. So we did have it added because
we toyed with obviously the 91 Rum Below Cup final against
Manchester United. Asda.
Yeah, Asda, that was a one off and then we went sponsors into
the start of the Premier League and then we picked up Sanderson
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kind of toward the lat the latter period of the season.
And then we used it in the FA Cup and stuck with Sanderson
until 2002 thousand and one season where we went to Chupa
Chups. How did you feel about that?
Do you know what I think the thefirst reason we got Chupa Chups
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was horrendous. Honestly, I thought it was the
most horrific looking sponsor. I got very much stick for
wearing it at school. It's a strange 1, isn't it?
Yeah, it just, but it's funny when you kind of grow up and as
you, I mean, me being a kick collector has helped.
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But obviously when you grow up and mature into things, you look
at the sponsor and you actually think actually that's now become
quite iconic. It's not that garish bright
Chubba Chubb sponsor that you think now.
You actually think, wow, yeah, that's actually quite unique.
So we've actually done quite well with sponsors through the
90s, early sort of noughties period.
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Yeah, so I guess we've talked about, you know, talked about
the home shirt. What about a ways you had some
cracking away shirts? You.
Yeah. I mean, you've got it behind
you. This the 9395 black away.
That's I think that's one of my favourite away shirts of the 90s
Premier League to be honest. Yeah, it's I think this when you
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when you look at it closer on that black kit, like the actual
Puma King detailing the yellow pin stripe.
But for me it's the whole kit that works.
It's the the shorts and then thesocks.
It just even the socks back in the 90s used to have the little
owl like so on the top of my hathere I'm actually wearing the
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Black Hat, the owl emblem on theon the socks with the Puma.
It was just those hand stitched details that was just
unbelievable. I love.
Black kits, I mean we talk aboutobviously the Manchester United
1 as well. Like black kids, so good.
Beautiful, Yeah, can't go wrong.Yeah, no.
Yeah, can't go wrong. Can't go wrong.
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So what was that one you how youwere holding up?
Sorry before. So again, part of the Holy
Trinity of Yeah. Slave as well.
Yeah, long sleeve. Is that your good shirt?
Yeah, yeah, I mean it. Yeah, it's the third shirt.
And we did use this for quite a few seasons actually.
So we actually used this in I think it was from 94 through to
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96. I think because we actually use
this as a an away shirt when we played Newcastle because
obviously it's yellow. But I mean, if we think of sort
of Sheffield Wednesday shirts, though, the history behind some
of these though is just as brilliant, right?
Because, like, yeah. Which one?
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Sorry for the listeners. Which one is this one holding
up? So this one is the fourth,
sorry. Yeah, the White 4th, because
obviously Puma had a bit of a panic when we played Newcastle
away in the because I think we had a few kick clashes that
season. So Puma actually made that one
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pretty quickly to kind of get that out to play against
Newcastle. Because obviously famously
Newcastle wore their away shirt at Saint James's Park.
So they had the they had the blue Mcewan's lager kit on and
we had that because obviously our away shirt was the black and
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their home shirt was black and white.
So what story I love? Stuff like that, yeah.
And it was a bit of a weird match up.
I like those emergency kits stories as well from the 90s
because I think Blackburn got one as well.
Liverpool, obviously, that Irishone.
But yeah, yeah, I do. But to have that as an
emergency, like it's not just a plain template.
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No. You got any underrated kits you
reckon from the 90s that don't get enough of love or even maybe
hated but you secretly write? When I was a kid, the shirt
you're wearing, so the 9596 homeshirt was incredibly difficult
to get behind. And I mean, like just got
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Carbone on the back of this one.But yeah, I thought Sheffield
Wednesday going from stripes to block stripes for Sheffield
Wednesday. I thought, wow, this is
ridiculous. And the fact that we had two
badges, so not only if we got SWFD on one side, what was?
The story between that I. Always really, really don't
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know, really don't know, but this SWFD was a font that was
used on lots of things within that, the club shop and the
merchandise thing. So maybe it was their kind of
way of developing a brand. Yeah, maybe a brand.
Within a brand, yeah. Alongside Puma, Yeah, yeah.
So yeah. What about the badge as well?
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Obviously going from the owl, like the shirt you've got there,
to the one, Yeah, you know. That or again, no, we I think we
just, we changed too much at that point.
So as a kid, yeah, I didn't likeit.
I mean, the kit just seemed massive on the players as well.
Because you'll agree the kit you're wearing now, there's that
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kit. So the sleeves are quite badly,
aren't they? So it just looked weird and it
didn't look like Sheffield Wednesday.
But as I've kind of grown into the kit, I've actually think
it's one of the top home kits we've had, which is, which is
funny because you look at it andthink like, oh, it doesn't
really kind of fit in with the stripes of Sheffield Wednesday,
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but it kind of works in a weird way.
So yeah, I'd probably say that Ialways.
Liked it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Obviously you said this is kind of underrated.
You start to love it. Do you have a worst kit of the
decade or? Yeah, Yeah, I do.
Thanks, Josie. Oh, this one.
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Yeah. So it's the 90 sticks to 98 away
shirt. I've got a question on here if
you could bring one back as a modern remake.
Did they bring that kind of? This year, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, come back.
What a strange one. Which is pretty much identical
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to the macron funnily enough, because the collar obviously is
not a round granddad collar withthe two buttons, but the cuffs
are the same. Obviously the colour is the same
and the actual trim of the whitesort of trim round the black on
the collar is within the collar.The macron have done so it's
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pretty much identical not. Sure.
We've mentioned what it is to the listeners.
So it's in kind of what season was that one?
So this is the 9096 to 98. Again, we use this a few times.
Yeah. So it's the orange, but away or
third. That was your way.
Yeah. Away and 3rd because we used it
again in a season after in 9899,like Wimbledon I think.
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But again, this was synonymous for the I think we actually got
thumped by Newcastle 8 nil in this kit.
And then obviously to feel this kit, it's like a jumper.
It's really thick. And yeah, to wear this like as a
player, it must have been very uncomfortable.
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I mean, I've, I'm very biassed when it comes to Sheffield
Wednesday kits because I love them all individually.
And I think as a fan like you, of course you can dislike kits.
There is there is never a kit that I hate from the 90s of
Sheffield Wednesday. Like a kind of, Oh my God, I
can't believe we had that because there's always something
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unique within its identity on that kit that I love.
I always, I always rated the shirts, even the goalkeeper ones
as well. I mean, I know you've got a
bundle, a bundle of them. They they were on the Iconic as
well. Yeah, yeah, we've been very
lucky. Yeah, so I guess we're 90s kids,
you know? Have you completed the Wednesday
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90s collection? Nearly nearly.
OK, I want to get the because wewe mentioned it on the GK Union
episode with Al yeah, there is achef Wednesday goalkeeper shirt
that I want, which is the 93 to 95 kit, which is the kind of
purple, green and red yes mash up.
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It's hard to describe have. You ever seen it for sale or?
No, I've seen a couple but they're like kids sizes.
So yeah, to actually get one I'madult would be amazing.
Yeah, excellent. No, I enjoyed that one.
Excellent. All righty.
I think we're going to get on 2.What is 5 aside no pressure?
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I know I said to you off air they didn't know mate that I was
kind of thinking do I need 6 players?
Can I have 6? Can I have 7?
Can we extend it to an 11 aside?Sorry.
When I didn't mine, I crossed it.
I mean, I changed mine on the fly.
I was thinking we were recordingthe show.
Like you were ruthless. I went for like, I went for
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muscle. I went for like you did.
Yeah, So to about 5 aside, we'llgo back to that famous Cantona
tournament. What tournament was that?
I could you up for the life of me, I can't remember the
tournament, but I remember having Nigel Pearson there.
It was Nigel Worthington was there.
Yeah. I thought it was Phil King
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there. Maybe I can remember seeing.
It was like, you know, like whenthey used to sit where they sit
in ice hockey. Yes, that's what I see.
Yeah, because they're all over. And yeah, so I see that and then
I see Canton now and like a Mr Tom's kid.
And I'm kind of like, how on earth, right?
Can you imagine those kind of a sliding door moments like when
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you're Back to the Future if Marty McFly went back and went
don't sign for Man United, sign for Sheffield Wednesday, just
see how it goes. The whole of the Premier League
demographic could have changed, right?
Yeah. And you'd you'd see sort of like
disappearing pictures of Ferguson holding the Premier
League tight. So you never know.
(34:14):
All right, Yeah. All right, I'd love to yeah, go
back because I want to know if it's a preseason, is it mid
season? Do you know how we talked about
that IAX Liverpool One in the previous episode?
It was just bang on January, like there was some things in
the 90s. And the fact that there's some
of them are wearing like white trainers that they'd wear to
like the gym. Poppy trainers on some Yeah, all
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right, so let's get into it. So I think the we look at the
goalkeeper, the shot stopper, I think there's.
No surprise, Big Kev, yeah, I think he put in one hell of a
shift for Sheffield Wednesday and he was very loyal to the
club. Obviously when we got relegated
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and seeing us through to the sort of early Championship
Division One days back then, butjust a chunky athletic
powerhouse of a goalkeeper, you know the A regular.
On the England B we discovered on time on the earlier episodes,
didn't we? Which, yeah, which I didn't know
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mate, actually because you you've educated me on that one.
Because I didn't actually think Pressman had much of an England
career because obviously he lived in Chris Woods shadow for
the early 90s and rightly so because obviously he was a young
up and coming goalkeeper. Chris Woods was an England
international so. But by God, did he have one of a
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hell of a keeper to learn from? Absolutely.
Because Chris Woods was amazing.Yes, absolutely.
How shocked would you have been if I said Matt Clark, by the
way? Yeah, I mean, I had to ask you
do that when I. Send you the poster who's.
Who's Matt Clark? So all right, here we go.
(36:05):
Next defence. Yeah, so when you did your
Liverpool team, did you do 2 defenders or did you have one?
Because I've picked one that cando it all or I've got 2.
Didn't I just pick Razor? Yeah, see, now, right.
I'm going to go with Super Des Des Walker because he was quick,
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aggressive, athletic, good with both feet, strong in the air,
had one hell of a career. I remember seeing him at a
legends game at Doncaster few years back actually.
And to seeing him sort of like on the same pitch, I was like,
Oh my God, that's Des Walker. He just he still looked good.
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He still like he could play in the Prem.
Put in a shift, yeah. He's such a good professional,
yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, hell of a career as well.
Yeah. Incredible, Incredible.
Yeah. All right, here we go next.
Centre mid. So John Sheridan for me, an
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absolute magician. He is probably the early early
day version of Paul Skulls in myopinion in terms of how he
played. Obviously Paul Skulls had a lot
more goals in his locker but just John Sheridan's way of
thinking as a centre mid was incredible.
Like his vision and just how he he was the glue, the nucleus in
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our midfield. Obviously winning us the Rum
below cup against United which was incredible.
He probably was a player that deserved to play higher, I would
say. Yeah, doesn't get much love,
does he? Around nicely from Wednesday
fans, but the rest of Yeah. Wednesday fans absolutely loved
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him and he had a great career for Republic of Ireland as well,
obviously with a few World Cups,so very lucky, very lucky all.
Right. Who's next?
Surprise me. Yeah, yeah, it's Chris.
I know everyone listening now isgoing, Oh my God, get a room and
be like, I need a restraining order on Chris Waddle.
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I'm your super fan. Yeah, it's got to be.
It's Chris Waddle. And do you know why I've chose
that, right? So because I did toy with the
idea of going Count Palmer, but I slapped myself.
I thought, what you doing, Woody?
You can't do this to yourself. You're married to the Waddle.
So I had to obviously change my mind because I thought Chris can
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add such a flair as a striker in5A side.
We've seen clips like Jonesy of Chris Waddle in like the old
Legends Premier League, like 5A side tournaments.
Yeah. Did he score a goal for?
Is it Bradford? Did he score for?
Yeah, it was. He scored like a 30 yarder and
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even in 5A side right? So yeah, he's a perfect 5A side
player. Socks rolled down, long sleeve
shirt hanging out. Get ready for some magic.
Excellent. All right, I can probably guess
this 10 go. On then who do you think I've
got, David? Hurst.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Silence saying I was just
saying. Oh, maybe not.
So I've I've gone for I think like my my 4 cover everything.
And also they can do shifts in other positions, so Waddle could
go up front when Hursty's flagging a little bit or pops
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off for a sip of Ribena, you know?
And it just works. So Hurst the upfront would just
be an absolute workhorse, strongterrorising defenders.
The only problem with Hearst would be as he was a poacher, if
the rules of the fiver side gamedictate that he's not allowed in
the D. That would be the only problem
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for my squad if it was a penaltyto the other end.
I was going to ask about your style play.
Would you? Would your TV slick?
Yeah, correct. Physical like mine.
Route One. You know, if in doubt, Kick It
Out. And then, yeah, just health a
leather because we haven't really discussed the rules of
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the Fiver side tournament, Jamesy.
Have we? No, we haven't.
No, we need to. We need to cover that off at
some point. Because I think, I think we are
in future episodes, I think we're just going to get, yeah,
we're going to make out a properfarmer side, proper lawyer, prop
everything, get sponsors on board.
Let's do it, yeah. 5 minutes, 1/2 oranges at halftime.
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Get in, Yeah. Excellent.
All right, who's on your bench? So I well I've got, I've got 3
on my bench, so I've got calm Palmer.
Yeah. Obviously because he can do
centre mid and defence. Yeah.
I've got Mark Bright because if we're one nil up and the clock's
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running down, I want someone to run to the corners and just hold
it against the boards. You know, bit of of a strong one
up top. And then I've gone Benito
Carbone. Yeah.
Just when has he's flagging and then, yeah, I put him on.
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I think that's good. Yeah, absolutely.
All right, So you're obviously the manager.
Who you picking as an assistant manager?
Big run. Big run.
Yeah, big run. Yeah, Big Run with his cigar sat
next to me with his aviators on.Big run assistant manager.
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I'd have the Umbro 1993 shell suit on rolled up to the
sleeves. A bit like Miami voice.
What? Kit, you're going to be wearing.
Oh, what kit? I think we're going to be
wearing the 199293 home kit. Yeah.
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Blue socks, black shorts. The Sanderson sponsor with the
Umbro kit. That's my choice.
That's pure Sheffield Wednesday.That's Sheffield Wednesday's to
boot. Yeah, that's beautiful.
All right. Excellent.
So yeah, final lineup recap. So you got Kevin Pressman in
goal, Des Walker, John Sheridan,Chris Waddle, Dave Hurst on the
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bench, Calvin Palmer, Mike Wright and Benita Carboni with
big runs sat next to you. Yeah, what a team.
I know. Oh, it makes me feel so good to
pick that team. I feel like I've got a good one
there. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, I can. I can make a challenge.
Be interesting to see who else we get on in future episodes
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because I'd love to say yeah, yeah, some kind of league.
Oh yeah, I'd be. Well, good.
Yeah, yeah. Brilliant.
Love that. Excellent, I've enjoyed that
one. Thank you so much as well mate.
Where can where can the listeners find you?
The listeners can find me Woody W 1988 on Instagram and also I'm
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very fortunate to Co host with your great self Jonesy on that
90s Premier League podcast. Where can people find you?
Football dot Jonesy on the Insta.
On the Insta, yeah. Lovely Jonesy, yeah.
Excellent. Well, thank you so much.
So we're going to obviously do afew of these EPS and yeah,
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obviously said we've been we've got a few guests lined up as
well. But if you want to come on time
added on with your ultimate 90s about your team, obviously we
opened it up, didn't we? It's just not Premier League I.
Think just maybe 90s but. Yeah, 90s, yeah, yeah,
excellent. So if you want to come on, just
just send us a message on Instar, just DM us and yeah,
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hopefully we can get you on. Perfect.
We're intrigued about the fighter side, that's all.
Yeah, me too. Me too.
Yeah. Well, thank you very much,
Woody, for coming on. Thank you mate, always a
pleasure, no? Worries all right and.
Cheers guys. Thanks guys.
Hello and welcome to Time Added on.
Hello, Hello, the little show we're doing.
I love these. Yes, it's the guest who have I
gone on. Surprise, surprise, it's Woody.
We got to get. You.
Hey, I was, I was first and yeah, got to get this Wednesday
(00:39):
one done mate. I'm I know.
To this one Yeah, me too. I know.
I'm actually love talking about the the Wednesday.
So yeah. And look, look how we're dressed
for those. People I know.
For those people who are watching on Spotify and YouTube.
And you, I've said this before, I've said this before, we are
very well like equipped with ourvisual podcast, obviously,
(01:03):
thanks to you, but we're always so well colour coordinated.
We are like, I think there's a career in fashion for you and me
for this because whenever we tell each other before a show,
like what shirt you're gonna wear, we always complement each
other. You know?
Absolutely. It's never like affirmative, but
you know, we always work it. And I mean, look at the the logo
and everything. I feel like it's my birthday
(01:24):
today. This is all about me.
It's all about you and the Wednesday.
I've just literally changed up all the graphics, everything.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to this one.
So firstly, what are you wearing?
I am wearing the 92 to 93 away shirt so for those of you that
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aren't watching on YouTube, it is yellow Umbro with black.
I would say pinstripes but maybethey're a little bit thicker
than a pinstripe. But yeah, sponsorless version
today. I do have one with a sponsor on,
I've got the Premier League patches and I've also got Chris
Waddle on the back of this, but.Course you did.
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As always. I am looking forward to getting
into your favourite kits. I obviously we love everything
kit so yeah, I can't wait to deep dive into that one.
All right, cool. I think we're going to get onto
it mate, because it's all about you today, okey?
Dokey on your. Wednesday, I guess we'll just go
into before we'll go into it. What?
Why? Why the Wednesday mate?
(02:30):
What happened to the Wednesday? It's, it's no secret, I think
I've I've shared this many a time before, but it was the 1993
FA Cup final. It was on ITVI believe brother
is an Arsenal fan so obviously we were watching that Wembley
for him. I can vividly remember though,
(02:50):
it was the final countdown by Europe that played and basically
it come upon like, you know, do not the old graphics of the
teams and whatever before the match.
And I saw Sheffield Wednesday's kit and I thought, hello, this
is nice. So I kind of just started from
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there and I watched Sheffield Wednesday watch the highlights.
I watched obviously the the roadto the FA Cup final and it just
kind of blossomed from there, mate, to be honest.
It was a it was a kit association and then it went
slowly to players and then yeah,I've just been obsessed ever
since. Brilliant, brilliant.
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Well, I've got to say, you're the only Wednesday fan and I.
Do you know, I suppose like I can always remember as a kid,
right, that non uniform day and things like that, where you
don't have to wear your school uniform.
I would always wear a chef or Wednesday shirt.
So a lot of my mates, a lot of teachers and that were like, who
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the hell is that? Who are they?
Why are you wearing chef or Wednesday?
Because I live down the South ofthe UK, so my my nearest team is
either red in or Oxford, right? So I have no like link locally
to Sheffield but obviously me rocking up on non uniform day
and paying my pound to charity to wear a chef for Wednesday
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Chopper chop shirt. You know, hardcore, I think.
We're going to jump into your favourite player.
Favourite players. So I'm just going to jump right
into it. So who was your, I mean, we
already know it, but your first footballing hero?
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Yeah, first 4 billion hero has to be Chris Waddle.
Oh yeah, I mean, without a doubt.
I mean, it's just he was just a class footballer.
He was fun to watch. He just created havoc on the
wing. And just I like that kind of
attacking style of play, that one that can bring a game to to
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the opposition. You know, that just added a bit
of flair. You look at the likes of the
Ronaldo's, the Messi's now that were kind of dribbling in
between players at the early starts of their career.
That is who I associate as a 90s, Chris Waddle.
Chris Waddle took it to players.You know, he was a channelling
footballer and yeah, he was justunbelievable to watch.
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I think that we, we've spoke about this before in previous
episodes, but the positions of players have seemed that the
dynamics have just changed now. So there doesn't really seem to
be a winger anymore in A442 formation, you know, one that's
going to run the channel, could put a decent corner in, could
get across, can cut inside, you know, like the gigs is and the
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Kochelskis, the overmarses and all that sort of stuff.
It just doesn't happen anymore. And I think Chris Waddle just
created something so different. I mean, he took the world by
storm when he was at Marseille, and he's voted now in the top.
I think he's in the top three oftheir greatest players of all
time. Is that right?
(06:00):
Yeah. So I mean, to be in that for
such a short window, it's incredible.
I. Mean How many seasons was he
Wednesday for? So he was with us from where was
he with us from? I think it was the 92 season so
and then to 96. So I think it was only Four
(06:21):
Seasons. Yeah, but still impact he did,
yeah. But massive impact, yeah, I
mean, towards the latter part ofhis career was plagued by
injury. But yeah, he just, he added
something different. But like, if we're talking about
Sheffield Wednesday players across the 90s, there are so
many I could mention to you. Yeah, I was going to ask you.
So you've got obviously what allwhat all would come out of you
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as your the fan favourite. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What about? Who do you think is Mr
Underrated for Wednesday during the 90s?
Mr Underrated. Yeah, someone who got, you know,
Yeah. He never quite got the spotlight
they deserved. David Hurst 100%, I mean he was
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loved among chef or Wednesday fans.
So within the chef or Wednesday community he is the pinnacle
striker. I think from a world football
perspective and international, Ithink he was highly disregarded.
I mean obviously Man United wanted to buy him at 11 stage
and just his kind of natural finish, inability, he was the
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perfect striker, boisterous, strong, like tenacious, quick,
good on his, good with his feet,good in the air.
You know, he was an all rounder.So I think he complemented any
sort of attacking set up for Sheffield Wednesday.
Yeah, I guess you can put him inlike kind of the goal machine as
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well. One of the best strikers you've
had in that list, wasn't he? Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, did. You rate Mike Bright.
Yeah, I did again and very closeto underrated.
I think his again. Him and Hearst were a perfect
complement to one another, whichagain, was a sort of Mark Bright
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was brilliant in the air, very good at holding it up very
strong, knocking it down for forDavid Hurst.
And yeah, I mean, they were a prolific partnership.
And again, it works like that. I know we've spoken on previous
episodes about like, Shira Sutton, like Dwight York and
Andy Kolbe, Camp Henry, like youhave to have that sort of
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partnership up top because that's how it works, you know?
There we go. Yeah, sorry.
Obviously. Why would you put the cameo in
that kind of bracket of, you know, fan favourite,
entertaining? What was it to you to cameo?
The more and more I see of the cameo, like from Sheffield
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Wednesday, the more I just saw he sort of caused too much kind
of like havoc within the club. Yeah.
I mean, I love the fact that he played for Sheffield Wednesday.
I know he put his heart and soulinto games, you could clearly
see that. But I think he probably created
more issues for Sheffield Wednesday than he did good at
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times. But I don't know, I think it was
just like his temper because obviously we were his first
English club from when he comes from Celtic, so he was a swap
with Reggie Blinker and Cash. So obviously we did very well
with that deal. I.
Think so. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
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But yeah, he, he brought a lot of European kind of flair to the
team and he was very passionate about it.
But he he seemed to control himself better when he was at
West Ham. So I don't know if it's a
management thing, but yeah, he was very off the rails at times
for us. Yeah, I mean I I kind of got
this next one here, the player, the one that got away.
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Was there a player that you wishstayed longer or you know, I
stayed to fulfil their potentialat the club?
It's only player. You just thought he's gone to
certain this guy. I think you could easily say
that about Carboni. Yeah, yeah, I think.
Is he there for? Yeah, 95 to I think it was 98 I
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think so, yeah, a couple of seasons again, he sort of had a
longer career in the Premier League.
Obviously go into, was it Bradford Villa?
So you went to Villa, didn't he?And then Bradford played Derby I
think as well. So yeah, he had stayed in the
Premier League a lot longer. But obviously our tenure within
the Premier League come to an end just before or just after he
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left, so he probably would have gone anyway.
But I think he he added a very different dynamic to our team,
whether he played on the wing and attacking midfielder or
striker. But yeah, I think he was.
He was a player that you kind ofwished you'd have kept on a bit
longer, definitely. Yeah.
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So what do you think the 90s players still mean to the fans
today? Just think, I mean you went to a
a Wednesday event, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, I did.
Still. Yeah, define.
Do you think they still define the club's identity for a lot of
supporters? Massively, yeah.
I mean, the the the 90s for Sheffield Wednesday was an
amazing period to be a SheffieldWednesday fan.
(11:27):
Yeah. And obviously you've only got to
see the lights of John Sheridan,Carlton Palmer and then like the
Des Walker, you know, but Danny Wilson we had like John Harks,
we had a great Paul Warhurst. But Chris, Bart Williams, rest
(11:48):
in peace. Like, incredible.
You had a heck of a team. Yeah.
I mean, we were competing for you in Europe at one stage.
I think on our last episode we talked about Paul Wallhurst,
didn't we? You know, he could play any, he
could play anywhere, couldn't he?
Yeah, and he did for us. I mean he often did a job at
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centre back and then forward andthe 93 season he was incredible,
which subsequently ended up him being poached by Blackburn.
So yeah, I mean we had some great players, but we had a lot
of all rounders as well. I mean, Carlton Palmer was
always a player that was hailed as the wrong player to play for
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England, but he was a workhorse.He never stopped running.
Yeah, I thought he was a brilliant midfielder.
Like his energy was incredible and he played centre back, He
played like midfield and he complimented John Sheridan
perfectly in the centre mid because Sheridan would be the
pick in the past, getting the tackles in Palmer would work to
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get it back. And again, it's that clever
click that works so well, because that went straight up to
Mark Bright and David Hurst up front.
Waddle on the wing. What else do you need?
Excellent. All righty, I think you've
covered that perfectly. Hey, I think we're going to go
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to favourite goal or goal. Yeah, I think so.
Sorry, I guess the first question would you be what,
what's the first Wednesday goal from the 90s that really stuck
with you? Was the one that you just saw
and just went whoa. Well the one that the first one
that stuck with me and is one ofmy favourite goals is Chris
Waddles against Sheffield Unitedin the FA Cup semi.
(13:39):
The free kick so. That would have been, yeah, one
of your like, yeah, yeah. I mean, that was, yeah, that was
an incredible goal. And just what that meant to the
club and the passion that you saw in his celebration, like
that was just the pinnacle goal.I mean, that's still celebrated
now. His his goal at Upton Park as
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well in the 9394 season was beautiful.
And, you know, I think that was that was a classic goal.
But one that sticks out to me the most would be Peter Atherton
at Villa Park in the 90s. Four, four season.
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I think because obviously it comes back.
It's a bit of a pinball in the Aston Villa box and I think it's
Bosnich. It might be Spink, don't quote
me, but the goalkeeper just little clears it out and doesn't
get back in his goal quick enough.
And Atherton just like hits it first time, but they're like
almost lobs. But it goes straight into the
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top corner. And back in the 90s with the
goals when they used to just slope down, I used to be the net
used to be so tight in the stanchion of the goal.
So that that would probably comeuntil I've got underrated gems.
So a lesser goal that doesn't get talked about enough.
So yeah, probably some sums thatgoal up, doesn't it?
Yeah, yeah, I'd say so. I mean, there've been some
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classic goals. I mean, even like Richie
Humphreys with his lob against Leicester in 9596.
That isn't on the same didn't he?
Yeah, yeah. And again, like a lot of goals,
I mean, Carvoni has scored some absolute world ease as well in
the 9596 season. So they have been great goals.
I think for me though, it's likeI think the the, the pinnacle
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one has to be Chris Waddles against Sheffield United just
because of what it the kind of the whole the day and the
occasion. But there have been some
absolutely beautiful goals over the sort of period do.
You have a obviously commentary makes the goal GG.
Can you think of a goal from an era that was made better by the
(15:53):
commentary? I don't think so because
whenever I've listened to like Sheffield Wednesday commentary
or videos in the past, it's all been so dry.
I just put that one in from thatprevious episode where yeah,
Liverpool really on song like other Liverpool ones I could
pick out. But yeah, I was just wondering
if there's any Wednesday, No. No, I wish I could recall
(16:17):
something like that, but I mean,only moments that I can remember
in terms of games. But yeah, not nothing like that,
I'm afraid. We didn't have a title running
or anything like that. They did we.
So yeah, that's. Right, so if you could pick one
goal, you'd think it's that waddle against Sheffield United
goal. I think so.
(16:38):
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I like that.
All righty, let's move on. Hey, favourite match or
favourite match is I think because I think you, I think
you've got more than one, don't you?
Yeah, I've got a few. I mean my first Chef Wednesday
match is always a memorable 1 for me.
(17:00):
Oh, I have got a few. So the one of them is Sheffield
Wednesday beating Manchester United 3/1 in 1998, Ninety 9.
And I recently shared that on myInstagram with the kits that
we've got. And I think we've also had in
the mailbag from Tom. That was one of his memories and
(17:23):
I think from a chef or Wednesdayfan to beat Manchester United so
convincingly like we did back then, that was an incredible
game. And Nicholas Alexanderson was
just on fire. So you reckon that was one of
the most satisfying wins? That was like a that was a brag
in the playground, you know, like over the weekend, like we
(17:45):
beat Man United. Yeah, I.
Love them. Yeah, absolutely.
Because everywhere was a Man United fan, so, you know, you
could. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. You never had that opportunity.
And when when you got it, you took it.
Yeah, definitely. So you, you obviously we talked
about, you've been to Hillsborough a few times.
Sure. Yeah.
(18:06):
Do you remember a home match which had the most electricity?
I mean, she didn't go to every game, but it was there any game
you went to where the crowd was like, we're up for this?
Well. My first one I would say was
incredible because it was Sheffield Wednesday, Arsenal.
It was the 9899 season so obviously we had Arsenal that
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were reigning Premier League champions.
Yeah. The atmosphere was incredible in
terms of like, yeah, of how the game was just, it was a
dominating game. And obviously there was tackles
going in all over the place because Keone was on it.
You had Adams and then the cameowas just ready and raring to go.
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And that's what I mean about histemper.
Subsequently gets sent off and pushes over Alcock the referee,
didn't they? So my vivid memory of that is I
I sort of turn to the side like this to see it because yeah, I'm
in the the family stand and thismassive guy just stands right up
in front of me just as I see thecameo put his hands on the
(19:15):
referee like this. I'm like Oh my God.
And just honestly, the whole crowd just goes absolutely
berserk. But you've probably witnessed
one of the greatest moments in Premier League history at that
point. Still gets shown today, doesn't
it? Yeah.
So yeah, definitely. I mean, unfortunately my my
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history was Chef on Wednesday. Since then, I think that would
have been my one and only Premier League game that I could
go to because obviously the season, yeah, season later I
think we well, the season after that we got relegated.
So it was all Division One. Get on to that emotional roller
(19:59):
coasters. Obviously there was a game.
Most games have emotional sayings, you know, Joy knows.
Frustration obviously suffered relegation as well.
Yeah, quite a few. Yeah, yeah.
Oh goodness. But yeah, so if you could
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rewatch just one Shepherd Wednesday game from the 90s
start to finish, which one wouldyou pick?
I absolutely loved the FA Cup final.
I really, I've watched it a few times.
I got on DVD. Yeah, I think the first time
obviously when it was the one all game.
I just thought it was just so amazing to rewatch it and go,
(20:41):
wow, we actually played in an FACup final.
That was incredible. Yeah.
Another great game that I loved as well was Derby away
subsequently. We were in this kit actually and
it was on the the build up for the FA Cup.
I think it was the FA Cup, dare I say the fifth round or the
(21:03):
quarterfinals and it was basically at the Baseball Ground
for Derby and Marco Gabby Adini was playing.
I think it would have been Paul Kitson maybe up front for Derby
as well, but it was literally one nil, one all, 212 all and I
think we, I think I might have been 3 all or 4 all.
(21:25):
And I. Remember whether we then beat
them back at Hillsborough in thereplay?
But that was a phenomenal game. And I remember like 90s football
at that point was just literallythrow the kitchen sink like win
or bust. Excellent.
All right, let's get those VHSS out.
(21:46):
I know. Yeah, all.
Right, let's go. You bring kits or favourite
kits? Sorry, first question, what was
the first Sheffield Wednesday kit you remember falling in love
with? The first one I remember falling
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in love with was the Home Shirt 9394.
I love that kit. Yeah.
I mean, it's just a beautiful kit in terms of just the name
set and everything. So for those listing on Spotify,
the home shirt from 9394, I've got Chris Waddle on it with the
(22:27):
Premier League patches. But yeah, just the blue and
white stripes. This was the first home kit that
I had because I had the full kitwhen I was a kid and just the
colour blue, the trim yellow trim and the Puma kind of
detailing on the the stripes wasjust beautiful.
I love how are they like we talked about sponsors before,
(22:49):
but how like that sponsor complemented?
This year, yeah, yeah, it's sponsors making it.
Yeah, sponsors making a shirt. Yeah.
How long did they have SandersonForce?
Obviously the shoot you've got there doesn't have a sponsor.
No. So then you go to.
Sanderson. It was added.
(23:10):
Oh, OK, yeah. So we did have it added because
we toyed with obviously the 91 Rum Below Cup final against
Manchester United. Asda.
Yeah, Asda, that was a one off and then we went sponsors into
the start of the Premier League and then we picked up Sanderson
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kind of toward the lat the latter period of the season.
And then we used it in the FA Cup and stuck with Sanderson
until 2002 thousand and one season where we went to Chupa
Chups. How did you feel about that?
Do you know what I think the thefirst reason we got Chupa Chups
(23:55):
was horrendous. Honestly, I thought it was the
most horrific looking sponsor. I got very much stick for
wearing it at school. It's a strange 1, isn't it?
Yeah, it just, but it's funny when you kind of grow up and as
you, I mean, me being a kick collector has helped.
(24:16):
But obviously when you grow up and mature into things, you look
at the sponsor and you actually think actually that's now become
quite iconic. It's not that garish bright
Chubba Chubb sponsor that you think now.
You actually think, wow, yeah, that's actually quite unique.
So we've actually done quite well with sponsors through the
90s, early sort of noughties period.
(24:36):
Yeah, so I guess we've talked about, you know, talked about
the home shirt. What about a ways you had some
cracking away shirts? You.
Yeah. I mean, you've got it behind
you. This the 9395 black away.
That's I think that's one of my favourite away shirts of the 90s
Premier League to be honest. Yeah, it's I think this when you
(24:58):
when you look at it closer on that black kit, like the actual
Puma King detailing the yellow pin stripe.
But for me it's the whole kit that works.
It's the the shorts and then thesocks.
It just even the socks back in the 90s used to have the little
owl like so on the top of my hathere I'm actually wearing the
(25:18):
Black Hat, the owl emblem on theon the socks with the Puma.
It was just those hand stitched details that was just
unbelievable. I love.
Black kits, I mean we talk aboutobviously the Manchester United
1 as well. Like black kids, so good.
Beautiful, Yeah, can't go wrong.Yeah, no.
Yeah, can't go wrong. Can't go wrong.
(25:39):
So what was that one you how youwere holding up?
Sorry before. So again, part of the Holy
Trinity of Yeah. Slave as well.
Yeah, long sleeve. Is that your good shirt?
Yeah, yeah, I mean it. Yeah, it's the third shirt.
And we did use this for quite a few seasons actually.
So we actually used this in I think it was from 94 through to
(26:04):
96. I think because we actually use
this as a an away shirt when we played Newcastle because
obviously it's yellow. But I mean, if we think of sort
of Sheffield Wednesday shirts, though, the history behind some
of these though is just as brilliant, right?
Because, like, yeah. Which one?
(26:26):
Sorry for the listeners. Which one is this one holding
up? So this one is the fourth,
sorry. Yeah, the White 4th, because
obviously Puma had a bit of a panic when we played Newcastle
away in the because I think we had a few kick clashes that
season. So Puma actually made that one
(26:47):
pretty quickly to kind of get that out to play against
Newcastle. Because obviously famously
Newcastle wore their away shirt at Saint James's Park.
So they had the they had the blue Mcewan's lager kit on and
we had that because obviously our away shirt was the black and
(27:09):
their home shirt was black and white.
So what story I love? Stuff like that, yeah.
And it was a bit of a weird match up.
I like those emergency kits stories as well from the 90s
because I think Blackburn got one as well.
Liverpool, obviously, that Irishone.
But yeah, yeah, I do. But to have that as an
emergency, like it's not just a plain template.
(27:34):
No. You got any underrated kits you
reckon from the 90s that don't get enough of love or even maybe
hated but you secretly write? When I was a kid, the shirt
you're wearing, so the 9596 homeshirt was incredibly difficult
to get behind. And I mean, like just got
(27:58):
Carbone on the back of this one.But yeah, I thought Sheffield
Wednesday going from stripes to block stripes for Sheffield
Wednesday. I thought, wow, this is
ridiculous. And the fact that we had two
badges, so not only if we got SWFD on one side, what was?
The story between that I. Always really, really don't
(28:19):
know, really don't know, but this SWFD was a font that was
used on lots of things within that, the club shop and the
merchandise thing. So maybe it was their kind of
way of developing a brand. Yeah, maybe a brand.
Within a brand, yeah. Alongside Puma, Yeah, yeah.
So yeah. What about the badge as well?
(28:39):
Obviously going from the owl, like the shirt you've got there,
to the one, Yeah, you know. That or again, no, we I think we
just, we changed too much at that point.
So as a kid, yeah, I didn't likeit.
I mean, the kit just seemed massive on the players as well.
Because you'll agree the kit you're wearing now, there's that
(29:01):
kit. So the sleeves are quite badly,
aren't they? So it just looked weird and it
didn't look like Sheffield Wednesday.
But as I've kind of grown into the kit, I've actually think
it's one of the top home kits we've had, which is, which is
funny because you look at it andthink like, oh, it doesn't
really kind of fit in with the stripes of Sheffield Wednesday,
(29:24):
but it kind of works in a weird way.
So yeah, I'd probably say that Ialways.
Liked it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Obviously you said this is kind of underrated.
You start to love it. Do you have a worst kit of the
decade or? Yeah, Yeah, I do.
Thanks, Josie. Oh, this one.
(29:46):
Yeah. So it's the 90 sticks to 98 away
shirt. I've got a question on here if
you could bring one back as a modern remake.
Did they bring that kind of? This year, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, come back.
What a strange one. Which is pretty much identical
(30:07):
to the macron funnily enough, because the collar obviously is
not a round granddad collar withthe two buttons, but the cuffs
are the same. Obviously the colour is the same
and the actual trim of the whitesort of trim round the black on
the collar is within the collar.The macron have done so it's
(30:29):
pretty much identical not. Sure.
We've mentioned what it is to the listeners.
So it's in kind of what season was that one?
So this is the 9096 to 98. Again, we use this a few times.
Yeah. So it's the orange, but away or
third. That was your way.
Yeah. Away and 3rd because we used it
again in a season after in 9899,like Wimbledon I think.
(30:55):
But again, this was synonymous for the I think we actually got
thumped by Newcastle 8 nil in this kit.
And then obviously to feel this kit, it's like a jumper.
It's really thick. And yeah, to wear this like as a
player, it must have been very uncomfortable.
(31:18):
I mean, I've, I'm very biassed when it comes to Sheffield
Wednesday kits because I love them all individually.
And I think as a fan like you, of course you can dislike kits.
There is there is never a kit that I hate from the 90s of
Sheffield Wednesday. Like a kind of, Oh my God, I
can't believe we had that because there's always something
(31:38):
unique within its identity on that kit that I love.
I always, I always rated the shirts, even the goalkeeper ones
as well. I mean, I know you've got a
bundle, a bundle of them. They they were on the Iconic as
well. Yeah, yeah, we've been very
lucky. Yeah, so I guess we're 90s kids,
you know? Have you completed the Wednesday
(31:58):
90s collection? Nearly nearly.
OK, I want to get the because wewe mentioned it on the GK Union
episode with Al yeah, there is achef Wednesday goalkeeper shirt
that I want, which is the 93 to 95 kit, which is the kind of
purple, green and red yes mash up.
(32:25):
It's hard to describe have. You ever seen it for sale or?
No, I've seen a couple but they're like kids sizes.
So yeah, to actually get one I'madult would be amazing.
Yeah, excellent. No, I enjoyed that one.
Excellent. All righty.
I think we're going to get on 2.What is 5 aside no pressure?
(32:49):
I know I said to you off air they didn't know mate that I was
kind of thinking do I need 6 players?
Can I have 6? Can I have 7?
Can we extend it to an 11 aside?Sorry.
When I didn't mine, I crossed it.
I mean, I changed mine on the fly.
I was thinking we were recordingthe show.
Like you were ruthless. I went for like, I went for
(33:11):
muscle. I went for like you did.
Yeah, So to about 5 aside, we'llgo back to that famous Cantona
tournament. What tournament was that?
I could you up for the life of me, I can't remember the
tournament, but I remember having Nigel Pearson there.
It was Nigel Worthington was there.
Yeah. I thought it was Phil King
(33:33):
there. Maybe I can remember seeing.
It was like, you know, like whenthey used to sit where they sit
in ice hockey. Yes, that's what I see.
Yeah, because they're all over. And yeah, so I see that and then
I see Canton now and like a Mr Tom's kid.
And I'm kind of like, how on earth, right?
Can you imagine those kind of a sliding door moments like when
(33:54):
you're Back to the Future if Marty McFly went back and went
don't sign for Man United, sign for Sheffield Wednesday, just
see how it goes. The whole of the Premier League
demographic could have changed, right?
Yeah. And you'd you'd see sort of like
disappearing pictures of Ferguson holding the Premier
League tight. So you never know.
(34:14):
All right, Yeah. All right, I'd love to yeah, go
back because I want to know if it's a preseason, is it mid
season? Do you know how we talked about
that IAX Liverpool One in the previous episode?
It was just bang on January, like there was some things in
the 90s. And the fact that there's some
of them are wearing like white trainers that they'd wear to
like the gym. Poppy trainers on some Yeah, all
(34:42):
right, so let's get into it. So I think the we look at the
goalkeeper, the shot stopper, I think there's.
No surprise, Big Kev, yeah, I think he put in one hell of a
shift for Sheffield Wednesday and he was very loyal to the
club. Obviously when we got relegated
(35:02):
and seeing us through to the sort of early Championship
Division One days back then, butjust a chunky athletic
powerhouse of a goalkeeper, you know the A regular.
On the England B we discovered on time on the earlier episodes,
didn't we? Which, yeah, which I didn't know
(35:24):
mate, actually because you you've educated me on that one.
Because I didn't actually think Pressman had much of an England
career because obviously he lived in Chris Woods shadow for
the early 90s and rightly so because obviously he was a young
up and coming goalkeeper. Chris Woods was an England
international so. But by God, did he have one of a
(35:44):
hell of a keeper to learn from? Absolutely.
Because Chris Woods was amazing.Yes, absolutely.
How shocked would you have been if I said Matt Clark, by the
way? Yeah, I mean, I had to ask you
do that when I. Send you the poster who's.
Who's Matt Clark? So all right, here we go.
(36:05):
Next defence. Yeah, so when you did your
Liverpool team, did you do 2 defenders or did you have one?
Because I've picked one that cando it all or I've got 2.
Didn't I just pick Razor? Yeah, see, now, right.
I'm going to go with Super Des Des Walker because he was quick,
(36:32):
aggressive, athletic, good with both feet, strong in the air,
had one hell of a career. I remember seeing him at a
legends game at Doncaster few years back actually.
And to seeing him sort of like on the same pitch, I was like,
Oh my God, that's Des Walker. He just he still looked good.
(36:55):
He still like he could play in the Prem.
Put in a shift, yeah. He's such a good professional,
yeah. Yeah.
So yeah, hell of a career as well.
Yeah. Incredible, Incredible.
Yeah. All right, here we go next.
Centre mid. So John Sheridan for me, an
(37:17):
absolute magician. He is probably the early early
day version of Paul Skulls in myopinion in terms of how he
played. Obviously Paul Skulls had a lot
more goals in his locker but just John Sheridan's way of
thinking as a centre mid was incredible.
Like his vision and just how he he was the glue, the nucleus in
(37:39):
our midfield. Obviously winning us the Rum
below cup against United which was incredible.
He probably was a player that deserved to play higher, I would
say. Yeah, doesn't get much love,
does he? Around nicely from Wednesday
fans, but the rest of Yeah. Wednesday fans absolutely loved
(38:00):
him and he had a great career for Republic of Ireland as well,
obviously with a few World Cups,so very lucky, very lucky all.
Right. Who's next?
Surprise me. Yeah, yeah, it's Chris.
I know everyone listening now isgoing, Oh my God, get a room and
be like, I need a restraining order on Chris Waddle.
(38:22):
I'm your super fan. Yeah, it's got to be.
It's Chris Waddle. And do you know why I've chose
that, right? So because I did toy with the
idea of going Count Palmer, but I slapped myself.
I thought, what you doing, Woody?
You can't do this to yourself. You're married to the Waddle.
So I had to obviously change my mind because I thought Chris can
(38:47):
add such a flair as a striker in5A side.
We've seen clips like Jonesy of Chris Waddle in like the old
Legends Premier League, like 5A side tournaments.
Yeah. Did he score a goal for?
Is it Bradford? Did he score for?
Yeah, it was. He scored like a 30 yarder and
(39:10):
even in 5A side right? So yeah, he's a perfect 5A side
player. Socks rolled down, long sleeve
shirt hanging out. Get ready for some magic.
Excellent. All right, I can probably guess
this 10 go. On then who do you think I've
got, David? Hurst.
(39:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Silence saying I was just
saying. Oh, maybe not.
So I've I've gone for I think like my my 4 cover everything.
And also they can do shifts in other positions, so Waddle could
go up front when Hursty's flagging a little bit or pops
(39:52):
off for a sip of Ribena, you know?
And it just works. So Hurst the upfront would just
be an absolute workhorse, strongterrorising defenders.
The only problem with Hearst would be as he was a poacher, if
the rules of the fiver side gamedictate that he's not allowed in
the D. That would be the only problem
(40:14):
for my squad if it was a penaltyto the other end.
I was going to ask about your style play.
Would you? Would your TV slick?
Yeah, correct. Physical like mine.
Route One. You know, if in doubt, Kick It
Out. And then, yeah, just health a
leather because we haven't really discussed the rules of
(40:36):
the Fiver side tournament, Jamesy.
Have we? No, we haven't.
No, we need to. We need to cover that off at
some point. Because I think, I think we are
in future episodes, I think we're just going to get, yeah,
we're going to make out a properfarmer side, proper lawyer, prop
everything, get sponsors on board.
Let's do it, yeah. 5 minutes, 1/2 oranges at halftime.
(40:57):
Get in, Yeah. Excellent.
All right, who's on your bench? So I well I've got, I've got 3
on my bench, so I've got calm Palmer.
Yeah. Obviously because he can do
centre mid and defence. Yeah.
I've got Mark Bright because if we're one nil up and the clock's
(41:19):
running down, I want someone to run to the corners and just hold
it against the boards. You know, bit of of a strong one
up top. And then I've gone Benito
Carbone. Yeah.
Just when has he's flagging and then, yeah, I put him on.
(41:43):
I think that's good. Yeah, absolutely.
All right, So you're obviously the manager.
Who you picking as an assistant manager?
Big run. Big run.
Yeah, big run. Yeah, Big Run with his cigar sat
next to me with his aviators on.Big run assistant manager.
(42:03):
I'd have the Umbro 1993 shell suit on rolled up to the
sleeves. A bit like Miami voice.
What? Kit, you're going to be wearing.
Oh, what kit? I think we're going to be
wearing the 199293 home kit. Yeah.
(42:24):
Blue socks, black shorts. The Sanderson sponsor with the
Umbro kit. That's my choice.
That's pure Sheffield Wednesday.That's Sheffield Wednesday's to
boot. Yeah, that's beautiful.
All right. Excellent.
So yeah, final lineup recap. So you got Kevin Pressman in
goal, Des Walker, John Sheridan,Chris Waddle, Dave Hurst on the
(42:48):
bench, Calvin Palmer, Mike Wright and Benita Carboni with
big runs sat next to you. Yeah, what a team.
I know. Oh, it makes me feel so good to
pick that team. I feel like I've got a good one
there. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, I can. I can make a challenge.
Be interesting to see who else we get on in future episodes
(43:11):
because I'd love to say yeah, yeah, some kind of league.
Oh yeah, I'd be. Well, good.
Yeah, yeah. Brilliant.
Love that. Excellent, I've enjoyed that
one. Thank you so much as well mate.
Where can where can the listeners find you?
The listeners can find me Woody W 1988 on Instagram and also I'm
(43:33):
very fortunate to Co host with your great self Jonesy on that
90s Premier League podcast. Where can people find you?
Football dot Jonesy on the Insta.
On the Insta, yeah. Lovely Jonesy, yeah.
Excellent. Well, thank you so much.
So we're going to obviously do afew of these EPS and yeah,
(43:55):
obviously said we've been we've got a few guests lined up as
well. But if you want to come on time
added on with your ultimate 90s about your team, obviously we
opened it up, didn't we? It's just not Premier League I.
Think just maybe 90s but. Yeah, 90s, yeah, yeah,
excellent. So if you want to come on, just
just send us a message on Instar, just DM us and yeah,
(44:16):
hopefully we can get you on. Perfect.
We're intrigued about the fighter side, that's all.
Yeah, me too. Me too.
Yeah. Well, thank you very much,
Woody, for coming on. Thank you mate, always a
pleasure, no? Worries all right and.
Cheers guys. Thanks guys.
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