September 30, 2025 • 63 mins
In this episode, we step into the dugout and explore the world of 90’s Premier League managers. From Trevor Francis and Mike Walker to Joe Royle, Alan Ball, George Graham, and Bruce Rioch, we look back at their successes, struggles, and lasting legacies. We dive into the unique styles and stories that defined the decade, while also shining a light on some of the less successful gaffers who shaped the era in their own way. It’s a nostalgic journey through the managerial highs and lows of 90’s football.
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(00:12):
Hello and welcome to another exciting episode, that 90s
Premier League podcast Episode 27.
Mr. Woody, how are you, mate? Very well.
Thank you, mate, Very well. How are you?
Oh, we'll get on to how I'm feeling in a minute.
I'm doing well mate, doing well.Very excited to do another pod
excited about this episode as well.
(00:33):
The topic we've chosen, mate yeah.
Do you know what it's a it's a relevant topic on our forever
increasing pile thanks to you lovely listeners.
And we've chosen wisely this week, I think, mate, because
we've broken up our, our little trend a little bit.
We what we've, we've done kits, we've done some collectibles.
(00:53):
Today's episode is about. 90s managers the yeah.
So we've got a bit of a selection.
Yeah, we want to do a bit of a Gappa series, don't we?
So we've picked out some some names.
It's worked out quite well. Let's not forget Jonesy.
These are as memorable as kits and as teams and as players.
(01:14):
Some managers make theme right. Yeah, absolutely.
And this, yeah, there's a lot togo through as well.
We always talk. About rabbit holes mate,
exactly. But I mean, would you say that
like a team's success is specifically down to one guy or
do you think it's the collective?
I think it's yeah. The manager usually lays the
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foundations, doesn't he? Yeah.
Yeah, agreed. And there's been some stinkers.
Hasn't there just Let's get on to what?
What are you wearing? What are you wearing?
Well, I've gone to club leisure wear this week for you guys.
I've gone Trevor Francis with a Sheffield Wednesday 93 to 95
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club catalog Puma King polo shirt, which would probably have
been worn in his office, feet onthe desk, making a few transfer
phone calls or sitting on a coach, you know, telling Chris
Bart Williams to spell down or Des Walker to shut up.
You know, that old routine. What about you, Jamesy?
What are you? Wearing right, I am wearing a
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Blackburn Rovers, surprise, surprise, ASICS manager's
jacket. Well, coach's jacket from 90, I
think 9495 to 96. Just show me the collar though
mate like. I can't breathe.
No, but the fact it's got ASICS on the collar, hasn't it?
Yeah. You want to know who's made it?
Yeah. I recently found a photo of Ray
Harper wearing this next to Kenny on the on the sidelines.
(02:44):
Beautiful. Relevant, but let's see how long
I can keep this on for. It's a sweat.
Now guys, 20 minutes. I've also gone for a tribute
today because obviously we, we know that recently, few years
ago Trevor Francis passed away. But I thought today, I thought
it's a beautiful tribute to alsopay respects to Chris Bart
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Williams because they unfortunately, they
unfortunately passed away a couple of days apart in the same
year. So huge loss the the footballing
community. I.
Remember that? Yeah, it was, it was.
Yeah, it was a sad kind of a sadweek, wasn't it?
For Wednesday fans. Yeah, for Forest as well.
(03:26):
Yeah, Big. So yeah, it's very sad, but I
think they they've sort of been pioneers in 90s football.
So I think it's only respectful that we kind of pay homage to
those 2 today as well. Brilliant, mate, Brilliant.
All right, cool. Have you got a stat for us?
I have start of the week is manager focused so as of 2024
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guys Howard Wilkinson is the last English manager to win a
top flight league title. That's nuts.
And that was what, 1990 to 9191 to 92?
91 to 92 year Premier League standards.
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Which is crazy to think of the English managers that we've had
over the Premier League period, which we will touch on very
shortly. But if you think of the big
hitters that we've had, I mean, we're talking English here,
guys. So don't throw your remote
control at the screen and go Alex Ferguson, Kenny Delglish,
because we know they're Scottish.
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But yeah, Big Sam didn't win anything with bowling.
What gives, man? What gives?
Yeah. It's strange, isn't it?
I mean, I can only think about Harry Redknapp winning the FA
Cup finally with Portsmouth. Yeah, even from that, like Eddie
Howe recently winning the Carabelle Coca-Cola Cup.
Yeah, I was bracing myself for the Coca-Cola element there.
(05:00):
I was thankful. Always been.
It'll always be Coca-Cola Cup tome.
Yeah, it's quite interesting, I thought.
It's, yeah, I mean even Kagan aswell.
Yeah, yeah. Right.
Yeah. Incredible.
Yeah, that's it. Oh, of course.
Super Kev came so close. Yes, yes, sure did.
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But OK, right, Never mind. Do we need to do a disclaimer
before we go into this though mate, because you did say that
there are managers that we're not going to include for obvious
reasons. Do you want to get the term
conditions? I think we just decided to go
away and do a lucky dip doing and it's worked out quite well.
I think it's amazing how connected.
Yeah. So I think yeah, just just the
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90s managers kind of, yeah, I guess it's who's who.
So we've just kind of gone away and just kind of thought, oh,
who's interesting? Yeah.
But we've that we've purposely excluded some managers today.
So if you're boiling the kettle as we speak to make your coffee
and sit down with your biscuits and hoping that we talk about so
(06:04):
Alex Ferguson, Kenny Dalglish orArsene Wenger, apologies, we
want to delve a bit deeper, right?
Yeah, just some of those kind ofnot, I wouldn't even say
forgotten managers, but yeah, just some of those 90s.
You know, there's, there's a lotthat happened behind the scenes,
I think with some of these managers.
So it's good to go with a deep dive and like we said before,
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you know, Wenger, Ferguson, theycould have their own episodes.
Keegan, you know. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, to go about, but yeah, yeah, I'm excited to delve
into 90s managers. So we just picked a couple,
haven't we? Yeah, Just going to touch on All
righty, do you want to start us off?
Let's touch on Trevor Francis track suits.
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Do you know what? So as a kid, I had a huge like
love and respect for Trevor Francis because he was, he was
my first Sheffield Wednesday manager that I really kind of
like listened to, recognized andhe was the face of Sheffield
Wednesday. I always admired how calm he was
when he spoke. Now for some people, they might
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find that he was probably too calm.
Yeah. But I thought not only did he
have an incredible career, he was obviously the first
£1,000,000 transfer, but also heplayed to the age of 40 for
Sheffield Wednesday. So he was player manager for us
until, oh crikey, 1990390394 so.Because he took over a big run,
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didn't he? He did, yeah.
He was obviously a player at that point, for I was.
Going to say, yeah. So he was just a player come to
the end of his career Wednesday.Yeah, wow.
I still find it strange now whenyou get player managers, you
would never have that in this day and age of football, would
you? In the Premier League.
(07:58):
You think how how big of a job that is to play as well.
Yeah, I always usually find it funny though, when he put
himself on because he didn't look like a footballer, like
towards the age of like, And that's not disrespectful, but
like if you think about a 40 years old, I'm near 40, you're
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40. Like we we look completely
different compared to Trevor France this.
Yeah. Did he score in the UEFA Cup or
he played in the UEFA Cup game something, didn't he?
Yeah, yeah, he did. So he did have an incredible,
well I say incredible, sorry it's not incredible, but he had
a very successful win rate at Sheffield Wednesday.
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So out of 216 games, 89 wins, soa win rate of 41.2%, which over
his kind of career was probably his better spell as manager.
And obviously he led us to 2 finals, the Coca-Cola Cup and FA
Cup final, we'll quickly brush over those.
But he got us to Wembley. So yeah, he was an incredible
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manager. I did find, I think one of the
biggest stories from his kind oftime at Sheffield Wednesday.
There has got to be the Cantona trial for me.
So I did a little bit digging onthis many, I don't know if many
people know about it or not. Can you remember watching Eric
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wear the beautiful blue and white colours of Sheffield
Wednesday? Yeah, and I'll put up a picture
as well. Yeah, right.
We did. So he invited Eric Cantona for a
trial at Sheffield Wednesday. So it was Trevor's idea, right?
But snow had obviously hit Sheffield quite badly, which
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meant that the the trial itself had to be played on Astroturf,
which was the indoor 5A side game that we saw him wearing the
Mr. Tom kit. Yes, yes.
So Trevor Francis wasn't happy with what he saw, so he
(10:07):
requested an extension for his trophy.
It's, I find, incredible to think like you're asking Eric
Canon to come back, which ruffled Eric Canon has feathers.
Yeah. So he wanted to see Eric play on
grass. He wasn't sold, Right.
(10:29):
So an outraged Eric Canon walkedout and signs for Leeds United
the next day. All right, it's.
Just. That's yeah.
That can change Premier League history with that.
But Trevor, because I see him ongrass.
Well, that's it. He was getting shopped around
Canton. I wasn't it.
I mean, Graham Seamus didn't want him as well, did he?
(10:49):
Like Graham, Seamus turned him down.
No, and I love all of these. They're not conspiracy stories,
are they? But you know, like all these
kind of like when pros retire and then they then go, oh, such
and such wanted me. I'm really interested in that.
I'm kind of like, you know, likewhen Mcateer was going to go to
Blackburn with Kenny, Yeah. And Kenny, Kenny Dalgly says to
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him like, oh, you're not going to find a bigger club.
You're not going to play for Liverpool.
You're going to be in the reserve.
So just enjoy sitting on the bench.
And he becomes the Spice Boys because he's had a good career
at Liverpool. But it's those like sliding door
moments. It's like, wow, what could have
been if Canton are like, put hiscollar up in a Steel City Derby.
(11:31):
Jeez, feisty. Feisty.
Feisty. Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, Trevor Franciswas one of those managers that
loved wearing the kit, didn't he?
So I can remember seeing him on the side with the.
Short wanted to be involved, yeah.
You can imagine him being still taking part in training and
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things like that, like. Yeah, well, he was still a fit
player, wasn't he? Obviously To think that he went
as player manager from 40 and then came into management
obviously from his career after he then went to manage
Birmingham City and obviously had a spell there.
So yeah, I think he's he was a he was a good manager for us.
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I just, I associate him to good times at Sheffield Wednesday.
That was a good. Transitional period and always
like his commentary. Yeah, he was.
He had a good voice, didn't he? Like, yeah, a commentary voice.
Yeah, he did. Yeah, yeah, I liked it.
But yeah, I used to have. I saw some very good memories of
Trevor Francis. I just, I liked him as a
manager. I did.
(12:33):
Yeah, and what happened, it justkind of just fell away near the
end, didn't it? And.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, what, what season did he
90? I think he went to 9596 and then
that's when we got David Plate in.
David Plate, Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, the whole kind
of dynamic changed and players like Carlton Palmer had gone,
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David Hurst was going, Waddle was coming to the end.
You know, it was a real kind of like transition period for us at
the end of that. But yeah, good manager, I
thought. Liked him?
Yeah, Excellent. Cool.
Good way to start. Thanks, Trevor Francis.
Well, my choice, we got Mike Walker.
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Very red faced Mike Walker from this picture.
I was always intrigued by his hair.
Yeah, she was like a helmet or so.
I don't know. Let's go back to it.
Yeah, you're right. By the power of Mike Walker,
Mike. Walker I was always intrigued.
I couldn't make sense of like Ian.
Walker, they're running the family mate.
(13:40):
They, they had good hair. Ian Walker was head and
shoulders as well, wasn't he? He was, yeah.
Mike was unavailable. Cheers, Dad.
Yeah, Mike was unavailable. Can you imagine in his Everton
tracksuit running his answer is there?
No thanks. So I'm just going to touch on
Mike Walker. I mean we spoke, I think we
spoke about, you know, I touching on a time I had on
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about Norwich with these gas. So I didn't talk about his
evidence. So he had a great, you know,
nearly bloody won the league. Norwich, you know, he had a good
time. UEFA carp all that thing.
So he was poached by He was poached by Everton was January
94 take over Howard Kendall. Speak to Phil as well.
Yeah, and it just didn't. Because Howard Kendall won
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leagues with Everton, didn't he?In cups and all sorts and was in
Europe within that time. Yeah, so I've just gone to this
is my my reference. So I've gone to Neville S for
the bin man Chronicles, right? What a photo.
Sorry, I thought I'd just delve into and read read some parts
from that The Bin Man Chroniclesabout Mike Walker.
(14:47):
Go ahead mate, love that. From Neville Southall.
Neville was pretty excited because Mike Walker's a
goalkeeper as well in his early years, and he was from Neville
Southall was from Llandudno. Mike was from Collin Bay, where
I was from. There you go kind of fame.
No way. Yeah.
So just go and like, just take the exits from it.
So Nevada's talked about Howard Kendall struggling with the lack
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of characters, Everton by the time when he left, so you know
he would, Howard would have hated a club like Norwich, which
where is a bunch of yes Sir, no Sir type players which Mike
Walker had. So Mike Walker's coming in, and
Nevada's already. From.
Nevada's already said it's goingto be too much for Mike to
handle the characters, and he included himself in that
(15:32):
equation. And it was just like he was
hardly ever there. Like Walker was never never to
be seen until 5 minutes before the end of a session where he'll
pull up in his Jag, make his face be seen, and then bugger
off again. You're already setting for a big
downfall of that though, aren't you?
You've got to be present when you join a club and and develop
a rhythm, don't you? I mean, Ferguson had that the
need. We just weren't going to the
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kind of football he wanted us toplay, which is the continental
type. Lots of passing from the back.
It wasn't suited to Everton at the time, it wasn't suited to
English football. We'd pass the ball 50 times
without leaving 1/2, give the ball away and that opponent
would score. Thing Neville could see into the
future. Yeah, and then he just slates
like the signings, you know, Brett Angel and stuff like that.
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It's just if Brett put his head outside the door, he'd gets he'd
get stick. He was just one of those people.
Like he just got hammered by thethe fans, but it just didn't
work out for him. Yeah.
And I think he only lasted like 10 months.
It's just yeah. He's remembered as a one season
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wonder manager at Norwich. Well, I just, I don't.
What I didn't get about him, hiskind of like trajectory as a
manager, was that he was actually really achieving
something at Norwich. Now I know there was a lot of
transfers out though, wasn't there?
(17:00):
Yeah, yeah, there was was, Yeah.This just seems to be a selling
club, wouldn't they? Yeah, So what was it, Sutton?
A Cuckoo A. Cuckoo went yeah, Rule Fox.
Yeah. So that's a.
That's a lot of. It's a big part of your team
gone attacking wise, isn't it? Yeah.
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And it was just, I mean, as I said, he didn't last very long
and they just didn't, didn't take to him.
And then they just obviously just after leaving, just went
back to Norwich and I think he was ever heard from again after
that. Did he implement any of his
Norwich? Did he take any Norwich players
with him? I didn't.
See, no, no, I just signed people like Bret Angel, I think.
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Oh yeah, there you go. Mike Walker.
Just not, I guess, even if you mention his name now around
Everton, I think it'd be becausethat was a hell of a scene.
I mean, they survived. Remember that one against
Wimbledon? And he was a part of that when
they kept them up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah, I suppose. But like should have ever been
down there in the first place. Yeah, it was something not right
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with that team. Like I just had to follow the
foundations. Yeah, but I guess the man who
took over. There we go.
Mr. Joe Royal. Go on.
Mr. Joe. Yeah, but he seemed to get it
right, didn't he? Yeah, he's like if I were to say
Premier League managers and I were to sort of describe Premier
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League managers, Joe Royal is upthere with one of the Premier
League managers. I'd describe firstly the tie,
the neatly combed over hair, theUmbro bench coat.
You know, he was a football manager for me.
He'd be like on, on my kind of Championship manager in the 90s
as what a manager would look like, you know, build your own.
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Yeah, yeah. Took over.
Everton were obviously bottom ofthe league in 1994, but that
season he ends up winning the FACup in 1995.
Is that told song about enough? There you go.
He was like, what's his first game?
Was his first game against Liverpool or that was his first
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win or something, wasn't it? That was his first win and that
was also was that the Duncan Ferguson's Tiger as well.
Yeah, I think Ferguson ride out that game, yeah.
So, yeah. So that so that gets you on that
gets you kind of the fans on board to start with, isn't it?
You beat Liverpool. Yeah, crazy.
But again, 12 years at Oldham before Everton.
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Just how long? Jeez. 12 years is incredible
now, ironically enough, I I wanted to find out where Joe
Royal was now and I didn't do this kind of like family tree or
anything like that. Didn't go door knocking.
He is now a current director at Oldham, again since 20220.
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I think you've heard that. Yeah, I love.
That he's back where it all began.
Is this, is this in this sign involved as well?
Oh, probably. Sorry.
Yeah. Right.
The theme tunes being the theme tune, obviously.
So Premier League survival was confirmed at the beginning of
May in his first season because obviously he had some damage to
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repair was he wins the FA Cup forever.
And so he pretty much already goes down into fan folklore as
the manager that brings silverware to Goodison Park.
He resigned in 1997. Do you cook?
Can you remember why? Or one of the factors I've got
down is why so? Something to do with transfers.
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I don't know. It cut.
What was it, dude? That's usually your way, isn't
it? Yeah.
What happened? So in 1997 he was not allowed to
sign Torre Andre Flow and I remember.
Here he is. Article Klaus AFTVAG So there
you go. Like firstly not being able to
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sign Tori Andre flow and then hegoes and signs for Chelsea.
I kind of think though, Tori Andre flow I know he wasn't as
physical as Duncan Ferguson, buthe was pretty much the same
aerial presence and stature as him.
So was that meaning that Dunk was on the way out if he'd have
got Flow in? I don't know but just didn't
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seem to match in my mind. Tori Andre Flow going to
Everton. No, no, that's a strange one,
Yeah. 118 games overall for Everton with a 39.83% win rate,
which isn't bad, but some of thesignings that he brought in for
Everton over his time at the club, right?
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Duncan Ferguson, Andre Kanchelskis, Nick Barnby.
Yeah, and Gary Speed. So he had money to spend.
So near the end it just got, youknow, they just probably just
didn't trust him. I don't know, he might have fell
out with the board or. Well, it's obviously a case of,
oh, he gave me money a couple ofyears ago, why aren't you giving
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me more cash to spend? They're like Joe.
Joe, Sorry. Yeah, we've spent the budget
somewhere else. Well, I'm off.
Well, I'm off. See you later.
Obviously he then went to to ManCity from there and obviously
got them promoted, involved in the famous playoff win against
Gillingham at Wembley, Nikki Weaver, but again stayed at Man
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City when they're back in the Championship or the Division One
at that point. But just like I said, I
mentioned it earlier, but these Premier League managers are more
than just managers. They're like part of history,
aren't they, in terms of what they did and what clubs they
managed and like how they looked, what they wore, like
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their celebrations. Like I can still picture like
Joe Royal, like being absolutelylike mobbed and bundled at the
end of like keeping Everton up from Premier League and.
Yeah. You know, and like running down
with his blazer and his cuff showing his tie going everywhere
and oh, it's just brilliant. I love it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, brilliant.
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Who's next? So we're going to go to Alan
Ball. I was looking for that cap.
I did have a cap like that somewhere.
I just couldn't find it. I was going to rock that today.
There we go. So Alan Ball.
So we all remember. So I'm going to touch on the
City Cody saga. So you know how well he did it.
You know, we've heard the story at Southampton where he's just
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got all the players into a ball and said just give the ball to
Matt Leticier. That's how they're going to
play. Yeah, it worked.
So we're going to touch on his Man City kind of so I guess from
the 9596, but before that we're just going to touch on the
manager, Brian Horton. So Brian Horton.
So the end I'm going to touch onthe end of the 9495 season.
So they finished 17th. Yeah, not not good enough.
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But you know, as soon as two days after the season finished
it, there was rumours that sinceyou were going to replace him,
one of the managers mentioned itwas Dave Bassett.
Because City were, yeah, he was linked to everyone, literally
everyone. So he had a reputation for
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running clubs on shoestring budgets, which caught the eye of
France, Frannie Lee. But one of the stumbling points
was that if they sacked Horton, they'd have to pay him £250,000.
Sorry. After that, they're like, no,
no, Horton's staying for the 9596 season.
Managing director the next morning comes out Colin Barlow.
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Brian Horton hasn't been sacked.He remains the manager.
All right. 2:00 PM. The statement gets read out,
which ends Horton's 20 month reign.
So he gets a sack. What's happened within that time
span though? And I remember hearing this,
Horton did an interview on a ManCity podcast a few years ago and
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he he revealed that he was alerted to the national
newspapers and how Francis Lee was going to remove him.
So he Brian Horton said, I was at an awards dinner after the
last game of the season. And the following warning,
Nottingham Forest manager Frank Clark said, have you seen the
national papers? No, I haven't.
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So that he sees in the papers he's been sacked.
So then he drives to Frannie Lee's house and St.
Albans, yeah, and has it out. Which is I ironic really,
because a few years later Frank Clark, who was who's the one to
inform Brian Horton of his sacking in February 1998, finds
out on his radio that he's been sacked from Man City.
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Oh dear, that is awful. That's literally like looking
down the end of your drive and like his wife going Franny love.
It's Brian. He's at the end of your drive.
He doesn't look happy. So so he hopes come on and I
love this. I found this list of rumoured
rumoured contenders considering this was this was Manchester
City finished 17th Premier League, not the city of today.
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So there were rumoured contenders for the for the job.
Graham Soonas, Ron Atkinson, George Graham, who had lost his
job at Arsenal, Franz Beckenbauer, John Toshack.
Oh. God.
Bobby Robson, Joe Kinnear, BrianHitt.
But there was. But there was one man who had
just celebrated signing a a three-year, three-year contract
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at Southampton. That was Alan Ball, who was
actually a close horse racing friend of Francis Lee.
So there you go. So that's a connection already.
But what a Yeah. So he becomes the kind of the
number one, kind of. But what I've found interesting
as well, where they would kind of town them up and stuff.
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Apparently Francis Lee called Matt Leticia for a reference.
My God. That's weird.
That's red flat material. What's he?
Like. Yeah, what's he like?
I hope he'd probably bring him with him.
But yeah, it's just it didn't work out.
And, you know, apparently City had a playing a playing squad of
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40 players at the beginning of the 9596 and he, Francis Lee,
wanted to trim to 32. So yeah, he's poached.
He poached the Alan ball. And yeah, it just didn't start
right. Signed.
His first signing was Georgie Conclave.
See. So that's a.
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Cult figure that's. That's a good start.
And I remember hearing some PaulWalsh just on a on an interview
as well, just saying how it justdidn't it just didn't fit.
He just didn't, you know, he he came in there, wanted to clear
out, you see, wanted the old boys gone.
But yeah, the problem is so thatthe players weren't coming in
quick enough. So he needed to trim the squad,
but he got on, got on the back of the current squad.
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So he just, you know, he couldn't move players out quick
enough. So then again, yeah, so the
foundations to begin with. It's just it's, it's odd, isn't
it? Like, are you a believer in if a
manager's performing at one club, they're going to do the
same for the new club they go into?
Because I wouldn't have said Alan Ball performed well.
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He just managed his team better than the previous Southampton
guy. Yeah, so he's then just got rid
of Tony. Tony Colton's gone.
Terry Phelan's gone. Oh, Kelvank's gone.
Paul Walsh is gone. Gary Flipkov's gone.
That's just like, he's just. Yeah.
And a play. I think he replaced Paul Walsh
with his Gerry Craney, and I just didn't work very well.
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So you broke up the Paul Walsh and Noel Quinn partnership?
Yeah, of that partnership. Yeah, they and it just.
Gets to, I mean, we've brought it for four just now, the famous
11 games without a win start. Yeah.
And then it just got to the point of, I think I've shared it
before in one of the episodes ofthe six nil lost to Liverpool
where Paul said they enjoyed, enjoyed watching that game.
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It's another Landry. I mean, you think of Alan Ball
with a mash, the flat sharp and things like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Iconic again though mate.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's just one of those.
But I mean, World Cup, you know,I think it was the.
This was it. The youngest player of the 1966
World Cup squad. Are you sure he was?
Yeah. But this is just another one,
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isn't it? It just.
Didn't. Was this the season they got
relegated on the final day when they kind of got Niall Quinn
comes sprinting out of the tunnel?
Yeah. Oh God.
I think I think we've benched that one on a relegation
efforts. Yeah, Yeah, it was.
And then he started, yeah, the the Division One season and it
just, yeah, I think it was gone straight away, wasn't he?
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But there's another one who's just he he should have stayed at
Southampton longer. Like he just jumped, you know,
he's, he said that, you know, this is a once in a lifetime
job, so that's why he's taking it.
But yeah. I I get, I get how like if
you're wanted by another team, it's flattering, you know, you
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get that kind of like Peacock feathers.
You know, I'm going to, I'm going to go and save Manchester
City now. I'm going to do a better job
than Brian Horton. But at the same time, if you're
doing really well with Southampton, you've got yourself
into a playing rhythm where Letizia is performing.
He's scoring from 30 yards. Do you know what I mean?
Yes, Like Heath is expressively playing the football that he
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wants to play. Like, don't go and reinvent the
wheel. Like keep it, keep, keep going.
Yeah, so, so one of the I've hada quote, one of the quotes he
that kind of went down like a lead balloon where he said when
he took over about the plane squad, he said in a sense it is
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a bit like cleaning out the drains.
I've been told there's a lot of plumbers in Young Place at Main
Road but we need to. Make go out the.
Drains. If you're a veteran, you're even
cleaning out the drains. So he was going for the youth
movement, which just, yeah, yeah.
Didn't work out? There you go.
So when you take over a job, thefirst thing is you don't have
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any. I'm here to clean out the
drains. But you could also see as well,
right, that back then they probably didn't have the press
offices and stuff that we have now, you know, like where
they'll give a manager a statement to release and they'll
be like, I am delighted to join Manchester City Football Club
for the 10 year of 10 year contract.
Like now, Alan Balls like, yeah,I'm here to clear out the
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drains. Like Alan, Don't say that.
Yeah, there you go. So yeah, I always thought that
was a fascinating story, how it just.
That was a bit of a soap opera that one, mate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just found that.
Yeah, it's sadly, yeah. Brian Horton finds out from
Frank Clark in the newspaper that he's being stuck.
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And then Brian Clark finds out on the radio a few years later.
He's been. I imagined it being like that
episode of The Office where David Brent's going, like you're
not going to leave your job, you're not going to lose your
job, and then skips like Brian Horton ago, you're not going to.
Yeah, that's a good one. OK, here we go.
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All right, let's touch on Georgie.
It's the George I put there withthe with the silverware.
Look at that. Great picture George Graham
guys, right, George Graham. So Arsenal originally offered
the job back in I think, well crikey, what would it have been
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the late sort of mid, mid to late 80s to Terry Venables as he
was a Barcelona at the time he but he declined.
They then went and offered the job to Alex Ferguson when he was
at Aberdeen. He also declined because the
original plan was to get Alex Ferguson in as manager and have
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George Graham as his assistant, right?
At the time Alex Ferguson was temporary manager of Scotland
because of the passing of their manager in the AE.
So he was covering Aberdeen and Scotland, said it was too much,
didn't want Arsenal etcetera. So they went to George Graham,
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right? Obviously in terms of George
Graham and how quickly he turnedaround, there's no secret that
again, he was another manager that literally came in and
wanted to drain out the, you know, clear the drains with
Arsenal because they were players like Kenny Sampson and
stuff that he released. He kept on play, brought players
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in like Nigel Winterbourne, Lee Dixon, obviously Tony Adams kept
Steve Bold. So he had a real youth policy
with Arsenal at the time and based his squad on that.
So we all know about the famous 89, the winner, Anfield, Michael
Thomas, that's down in Arsenal and English football folklore.
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But obviously I wanted to touch on how he lost his job at
Arsenal because he wins the Coca-Cola Cup, he wins the Cup
Winners Cup, he wins the FA Cup.So he's delivering silverware
for Arsenal. They're obviously on the map
with qualifying for Europe, they're bringing in the Charity
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Shield, etcetera. Bigger players are starting to
come in. He lost his job after the
Premier League found out that heaccepted an illegal payment from
a Norwegian agent following Arsenal's acquisition of Yong
Jensen and Paul Linderson. During the Paul Linderson, I
completely forgot I'd played forArsenal.
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Yeah. But he he was signed at Arsenal
from 1991, stayed there till 1995 but only made 15
appearances. Oh hell.
Graham was obviously then bannedfor four year, for a year for
that, but obviously he left Arsenal which subsequently left
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Stuart Houston in charge. Yeah, until the next manager
came in. Jamesy.
I'll leave it. Yes, after a year George Graham
then travels to Ellen Rd. which then worked at Leeds.
Not a great start. 5 losses in six including a three nil defeat
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to the New Wave Arsenal. Arsene Wenger, he then went
defensive. Now George Graham as we know,
his kind of style of play was very defensive.
He created the bold Adams, Winterbourne, Dixon, you know
that was the English back four with semen etcetera.
So he tried it again at Leeds and it worked because he had 6
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clean sheets in seven which was a club record and then finished
11th in the league. Which?
Is pretty impressive really. I do know that there's a story
that I've heard about George Graham through Calum Palmer
though. So George Graham approached
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Calum Palmer and I don't know ifit was at the Coca-Cola Cup or
the FA Cup final and asked him to join Arsenal and Calum Palmer
said no. And basically Calum Palmer
signed for Leeds as George Graham was manager and obviously
George Graham had retained that conversation.
And. Just basically told he wasn't
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part of his plans, which then subsequently lent to the
transfer of Calton Palmer going to Southampton.
Yeah, because he wasn't wanted. But he did bring in Jimmy Floyd
Hasselbank. Pretty good signing for Leeds.
Very good signing, yeah. Was George Graham the one who
played Rush on the wing? Yeah, Lee Sharp as well.
Yeah. Yeah, he wasn't.
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He wasn't a fan with his playersbecause I don't actually recall
a lot of players actually singing his praises.
You know, I seem to remember even Tony Ebola seemed to fizzle
out under joy. Yeah, yeah, he was very much a
my way or the highway kind of manager.
And obviously then he goes to Tottenham after that and wins
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the the Coca-Cola Carlin CarabaoCup against Leicester.
So obviously he's the first manager to win silverware with
both North London clubs, Arsenaland Tottenham.
But yeah, I mean George Graham, just for me, very well
presented. You can always picture him in
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his Arsenal club tie with the the suit with the cannon on it
and the kind of big added ass overcoat.
Well, there was that famous clipthough, wasn't there that when
he did he bang his head or did he fall in the Subs bench or
something? Oh yes, yes, my brother just
think it was the funniest momentall he banged his head on the
dugout. I.
Always used to make like a DannyBaker video, didn't he?
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Hated that. But yeah, another sort of
manager that kind of I, I do think like he certainly because
I don't know if that's where thekind of boring, boring Arsenal
came from because they were so well sort of put together
defensively. But we talk about like the
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Vengers and the kind of Fergusons and how they
implemented a certain style of play.
He very much created a team in alot of his teams to shut up
shop. You know, it started from the
back 4 and that was an incredible back line that he
created from there with Winterbourne Dixon and that
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lasted Arsenal for what that. Lasted a long term, yeah.
I mean, Wenger inherited him, did he?
And kept them and. He didn't have to change
anything, he just added a littlesprinkle in a Keone that was.
It ready made brick wall. Exactly, thanks for the defence.
Thanks. Cheers.
Cheers. Double G.
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Cheers, Gigi. Yeah.
But obviously then who's next, mate?
Yeah, well, this has worked out well, isn't it?
So my last one was Mr. Bruce Rio, Bruce Benny.
I've always had a story like Remember Newsround on BBC.
What? Liza Mazumba?
Absolutely. Talk about yeah, this is 90s.
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I remember when Bruce Rio got the job on Newsround.
I was watching it and they're like, announced.
Oh yeah, Arsenal announced a newmanager, Bruce Rocket, and I've
always stuck with that Bruce Rocket.
Or can I could be aware of BruceRioka?
Bruce Rocket. So Bruce Riok.
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There you go. So he's just taken over.
You know, they had that Cup Winners Cup game from the
halfway line, even though it wasn't from the halfway line,
was it? I still think that's high level
shit housery. I am from the halfway line, but
so Bruce Riok did great at Bolton, got the promoted
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Coca-Cola Cup. So his reputation at Bolton,
he's punching above his way eventhere.
But for some reason he's got theArsenal job.
Well, Arsenal wanted Bobby Robson originally, you know,
just the usual people get linkedwith the jobs.
You know, back then it was John Toshaks, your own Kroy, Bobby
Robson, you know, Graham soon asI think got linked with the
(40:38):
Arsenal job as well. It's gone to it's gone to Bruce.
I mean, he could be credited. I mean, does he get a lot of
credit, I don't know, for bringing in Bergkamp and.
David Platt. I mean, that's incredible.
Was a transfer window, isn't it?Yeah, I did.
I did watch a Match of the Day not long ago, and it was the
Bruce Riock era. Bergkamp was injured, I believe,
(41:00):
but it was Arsenal, Liverpool, and they just looked awful.
Yeah, in terms of like the team they had, it was just so bad.
Yeah. So his, his.
I know. I always got the thing that was
like an extension of George Graham, like the structured,
(41:20):
very rigid. Yeah, Yeah.
And apparently, yeah. They struggled to score freely
despite Bokamp's arrival. And he's just, yeah, I don't
know, just run that season. I mean, they did OK that season.
Yeah, I mean this like if qualify for Europe like go easy
on him. I just think George Graham set
(41:41):
to higher standard though, didn't he?
What happened? Sorry for Uncle George.
He's probably he Probably. Yeah.
Fuck off from Gigi to Uncle George.
Like, yeah, he's up in the family tree.
Obviously, because what? Doing some research from the
bunk. The bunk thing.
I love the Yeah, bunk. Took a bunk.
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Didn't I didn't even know. When were you a kid?
You're like bunk? What's a bunk in Magic magazine
you're reading? A bun.
Yeah, it's like. What's a bun?
It's funny how there's a kid. You had no idea.
You didn't have an idea. I mean, This is why we're doing
this now where we can go back and go, oh, that happened, but
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back then you had no idea. But see, the Newsround couldn't
get it right. Even Newsround and Bruce Rocket.
But like because of the obviously the bong situation,
Arsenal have become apparently paranoid about the transfer
activities. So how it is was that?
Yeah, like who else did we sign?Yeah.
(42:45):
So back then, you know, when managers had, like Ferguson, had
complete control over everything, you know?
Every. That's how it should be now, I
still think. Yeah, not the brand of tea bags
in like the campaign and stuff like Ferguson like had control
over everything. And I guess Graham had the same
thing at Arsenal, but obviously because of this transfer
business, Arsenal have decided to kind of restrict RIOC of the
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transfers. So like, you're not in charge of
transfers. And this is where we had a bit
of a fallout with David Dean, who I think it was the vice
chairman or something then. Yeah.
And then it got to the point where it was just the internal
fighting. So apparently, apparently it's
(43:31):
quite funny. So Rio made a wish list of 29
players he wanted all bowling. We'll get on to that Once you
remember that was the same, thatstory about how he halted
training one time and told Ian Wright, you know, John McGinley
does it this way. Yeah, way to win him over,
(43:53):
Bruce. Yeah, so then he's fallen out.
So he's fallen out of being right.
And a few other figures there aswell.
But the 29 players, you know, hehe requested and he got none.
I'll read out some of the some of the it's like a championship
manager wishlist this. So this is some of the players
Bruce Rio wanted. It's a who's who's on the soccer
world. So he wanted Les Ferdinand,
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Jurgen Klinsmann, Alan Shearer, Clarence Sedorf, Roberto Carlos,
Alan Stubbs, Jason Mcateer, Andre Konchelskis, Frank de
Boer, Ronald de Boer, Rui Rui Costa, Jiao Quinto, Paul Ince,
Jamie Redknapp, Tim Sherwood, Neil Ruddock, Warren Barton, Lee
Sharp and David Beckham. There we go.
(44:37):
OK, how many more? Bruce?
David Beckham, say dorf. Oh my God.
So he's just like, yeah. Didn't he put in offers for
Jason Mcateer and Alan Stubbs? So where did they feature?
Not for him. Yeah.
Wow. Yeah, Obviously John McGinley
probably tried to get him as well.
(44:57):
I didn't know what John McGinleydid.
I see him, right? Yeah, he did.
So that's where they kind of didn't find him.
You know, he wasn't happy that the financial side of the job
got taken away from him. I mean, arsenally, obviously
paranoid because of what's happened.
So yeah, there's just kind of. You know, like, but let's not
over shadow his kind of career as a manager of Bolton because
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that's an incredible achievementfor Bolton.
Not even what had been nerby in that that Coca-Cola Cup final
against Liverpool, like Bolton were good.
David Lee on the wing, you know?Yeah, some great players, yeah.
Who was that, Colin? Is it Colin Doyle?
Yeah, The manager? No.
Was it Colin Doyle? Colin.
(45:41):
Todd Owen. No, not Colin Owen.
Owen Coyle. Owen Coyle.
Owen Coyle, Mixu, Pat Leinen. I was going to say Mixu, yeah,
because. I can remember watching the red
in Bolton playoff final and thinking like Bolton were really
good and he was very disciplinedas a manager though wasn't he?
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Because he was born from a like a regimental background?
He actually was born in Aldershot, was dad was in the
army. Yeah, yeah.
So he was really. Kind of like regimented and.
I found I found some kind of things about his training as
well. So unlike George Graham, who
would stand on the sideline, youknow, yeah, Bruce would join in
the training in the small side of games and go in fully blooded
(46:24):
5050 with his own players. Get it often, often leaving a
little something extra on the young upstarts.
He loved the rock. Now, do you remember, and I saw
this the other day, right when we were talking about the 90s
hard men and you mentioned KevinMuscat, didn't you?
Yeah. Do you remember his challenge
(46:44):
for Wolves against Norwich on Craig Bellamy?
Oh, probably seen. Horrendous.
Yeah, Who comes charged onto thepitch in a great big overcoat?
Bruce. Brucy.
Because he goes to to Norwich after Arsenal.
Oh yeah, he does. Yeah.
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And Bruce Riock is running on threatening to grab Kevin Muscat
by the the short and curlies. Oh wow, but like you just saying
before about the regimental he was.
Like, yeah, a manager to be feared.
Like an Army instructor. Apparently there was a session
where, you know, they had Paul Merson and you know, he was
(47:26):
great player, Yeah, distance runner.
And apparently, and apparently, they screamed or Bruce screamed
at the players to drag Merce along along with them.
But you're but you're also coming into a team with the
Tuesday, Wednesday club like they had a great togetherness,
the nice squad. Was that hadn't That was still
going on, wasn't it? Yeah, because there's that clip,
(47:49):
isn't there? Of Ray Parlor being put in jail
in Hong Kong? Isn't there a pre season tour?
And he was with Chris Colombia and a few others and obviously
was that. I think that was either Stuart
Houston because. I think of Stuart Houston.
Yeah, they used to. Play him about all the time,
didn't they? But like because George had gone
there was no structure and then Bruce Riot come in before that,
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obviously they just ruled the roost.
So I can imagine there was probably a bit of a a click that
he was coming into. And it's quite like, it's almost
like the Mighty Ducks, isn't it?Like sort of coach Bombay turns
up and they're always, oh, we'remates already.
Like, what are you trying to teach us?
Like, stop saying Bolton, who else have you got on your list
(48:35):
then, mate? Let's let's talk about some
stinkers. What else have we got?
Well, it's just like the ones like your Christian Gross and
things like that where all these, you know, Continental
managers were coming in, weren'tthey?
Nine wins from 26 games. Christian Gross at Tottenham,
mate, 26 games, they finished 14th.
(48:55):
I would just say to you, but if I was to say to you, Welly's on
the touchline. Welly's on the touchline.
Yeah, who would that be? You've got me there.
Who is that? Gil Olson for Wimbledon.
Oh yes. So he was the Norwegian manager,
but obviously come to Wimbledon used to wear Wellington boots on
(49:17):
the touchline. Can you picture him now in that
like that white and Navy blue anorak with like the tiny
sponsor written on on the back. They got relegated in the 99 two
thousand season and he achieved eleven wins from 43 batches.
Strange one, wasn't it? Absolutely strange one, but like
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going from that, I mean, even things you don't hear now joint
managers. Oh.
Yeah, I was. I was a Red in like, like I've
mentioned, of course, watch Red in.
They had Mickey Quinn, Mickey, Mickey Gooden and Jimmy Quinn.
Yes. Joint player managers when Mark
(49:59):
McGee left out was weird. It was.
And they played as well. What do they do like?
Who's on the bench you you just subbed yourself on?
Right. He's playing today, yeah.
It's a weird maybe since the drop, yeah.
Who else was a Premier League joint manager then?
(50:22):
Oh, so you've got Roy Evans, Gerald Julio.
I never. I mean, I'd like to talk about
Roy Evans and Gerald Julio and another gaffe is 1, but I just
remember being a Liverpool fan. They just didn't want to sack
Roy. Like if we get someone else in
(50:42):
like. I hope he gets the hint.
Yeah, who's going to tell who's who's going to tell Roy?
Just get someone else in. You'll get him a hint.
Yeah, that's what it seemed like.
It was very because he'd been doing the job for like 4 years
before that. If you're doing a job for four
years and suddenly you've got all right, we're going to bring
someone in. It doesn't.
(51:07):
Yeah, I don't know. Felt uncomfortable as a neutral
saying comfortable. Yeah, yeah.
It was almost like he was a failing manager.
And they brought in an order. And it's like Jared Julio behind
him, like. But didn't.
Do this better really. But.
Thinking about that, didn't likethe end of the night.
It didn't Middlesbrough do without with Terry Venables,
(51:29):
yeah. But Brian Robson, they brought
him in, yeah. The the overlooking L tell.
Yeah. I mean, that's another one we
could talk about another Brian Robson, because, you know.
Yeah, I think he deserves a mention about.
So staying on the theme of duos,yeah, John Gorman, I remember
him as Gwenden, though he was obviously assistant manager to
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Glenn Hoddle for quite a period of time over the years.
So he was actually offered. So he was the manager for
Swindon 9394, right? Their Premier League season
because Glenn Hoddle gets them promoted at the playoffs and
then gets offered the Chelsea job.
Glenn Hoddle says to John, come and join me at Chelsea.
(52:18):
I want to use my assistant in the big, in the big leagues.
John says no, I'm going to take Swindon to the Champions League.
I'm going to stay at the County Ground and I'm going to work my
magic. Didn't win a game until Match
16. Ended the season with five wins,
(52:40):
conceding 100 goals in 42 matches.
Said it before, mate. Going down, going down with
Swindon Town, I think a few years.
Like the Gorman goes to England with him, yeah.
Exactly. Yeah, So he kind of.
And also he John Gorman was alsoa read in from other stages and
(53:01):
he had a lot of he went to manage Northampton Town from
that in the mid 90s. So he had little stints, but
then went back to to Uncle Glennand felt his warm embraced and
said, let me be your assistant again.
I'm sorry for leaving you. I'm talking about assistance
going now that that's one thing that doesn't seem to assistance,
you know, Kenny Dalglish win in the league.
(53:23):
Ray Harford, you know, taking over.
It doesn't no, they just don't take them.
It's. Like them sort of like waking up
in the morning looking in the mirror and going, I can do
better than Kenny. I can't do this.
Let me give it a go. You know, it's, it's, it's sad.
You know, I sometimes. Find the only one is it?
Did David O'Leary take over George Graham?
(53:45):
Was he his assistant? So that kind of worked out for a
stage, didn't it? Yeah, George David O'Leary had a
good manager sort of career, kind of early 2000s with Villa
as well as Leeds and you know, so it did work out.
Back then, it was like Alex Ferguson, Brian Kidd.
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. George Graham.
Stuart Houston. Yeah, Stuart Houston, he just
(54:06):
came to get the keys all the time, every right out the door.
Who can we get? Just give the keys to Stu.
Yeah, lock up, lock up. She switch the blood lights off.
All right, George. But there we go.
Manager, guys. Managers.
Oh, it was that like, like we said, though.
(54:27):
Yeah, you can take it off now, may I say?
Yeah, Watch the steam come out, everyone.
Oh jeez. It does look a bit now you've
got it on there and now does look a bit like a kind of Kwik
Fit boiler suit, doesn't it? You know, like when you're
changing the tyres. This is where I insert a Kwik
Fit advert. I look like the manager up top
(54:55):
that's having like a one to one with you in the polo shirt.
Like come in Jones, you take a seat.
Yeah, he's not fitted enough tyres today.
Yeah, our first start of a a bitof a new new series of episodes
because definitely need to needed to talk about the
gaffers, didn't we? Yeah, yeah, we did.
But how good was the computer game episode last week?
(55:17):
I mean. This is that's probably we're
going to be our highest rated episode when it's all said and
done. Like, the fact that we had to
read out 31 comments is incredible, guys.
Like, thank you for, you know, giving me absolute cottonmouth
after the end of the episode. Yeah.
But I think we were, we were inundated with, like, memories
(55:39):
and still are getting stuff now.And the fact that we're seeing
clips of like, because we got a message from Taylor Monk, who's
our competition winner, and he just put thanks, guys, like
falling down a rabbit hole, buying so much more merchandise
convented and Taylor as awesome.Like, I love it.
Cubic. Oh, Speaking of that, I've got
another copy of A Road to World Cup, a Japanese edition.
(56:05):
Do you know the one with the flames?
Yes. Yeah, bought that off eBay for
$10.00 so that should be arriving soon.
Oh. Have you bought anything else
recently? Yeah, bought this today for
$2.00. It's a World Cup 1990.
Australian fans were both at SBSTelevision guide with this crazy
guy on the front. So yeah, just bought this today.
(56:27):
Only know they're looking at it yet.
Over there. Tapes, top quality.
This is great. It's got some Formula One in
there as well. Oh excellent.
Yeah, what have you got, mate? I've got these ready but you've
probably seen them. My socialism.
I did post it on our page I think mate but fridge magnet.
Oh yes, have we worked out why they're different?
(56:51):
Well, yeah, I think because these were collectibles and
these also were mail order at the back.
If you can see, they were in chronological order, and that's
something not chronological. They were in alphabetical order.
So they were like this and some of you actually mentioned that
(57:12):
they actually proudly sat on your fridge.
So awesome. Are they going to stay in the
box? They're going to stay in the box
mate, and yesterday I attended the retro football fair and I
bought a 91 to 93 Hold em athletic.
That's beautiful. So yeah, big shout out to
(57:36):
Football Finery for that incredible purchase.
But yeah, I mean, badge adds to my 92 collection of the Premier
League and then you've got the Classic.
Are you going to get some Premier League, Premier League
badges on that eventually? Yeah.
Do you know what I might do? Because this, you said correctly
that this was the shirt they added Bovis to, wasn't it?
(57:57):
I was. Going to say can you get that
added as well? I'm sure this day and age you
can have that added. Add some Bovis.
Yeah, imagine if I added Hovis instead and I bought this Bube.
So the Mitre Ultimax Premier League, which I think's used,
(58:18):
was this the 98 season maybe I'mtrying to.
This is a plea though to listeners and to you Jonesy.
Actually, I'm saying a task. I want to know when this ball
was used. I want to know if there are any
games it was used in. Because there's probably so many
ball collectors, there's a couple of massive ball
collectors on insta we could probably reach out to or so when
(58:40):
I come and reach out. So do you ever know guys or
attack us in? I want to know who used this and
in what games in the 90s PremierLeague because I know it was
used in the FA Cup maybe, but I'm certain this was used.
So please, I'm sure. We'll be, yeah.
And let us know. Yeah, excellent.
So 27 Jamesy. That's it.
(59:02):
Yeah. Just so I just picked this up as
well. Like that.
Oh, yeah. Sorry.
Yeah. Can you zoom in?
Who's on the front cover? Alan Shearer, Andy Cole, Stan
Collymore, Union cleans. But look at her strike is it's
a, it's a striker. Yeah, should have had that for
our striker episode, James. Yeah, I know.
Damn it. Yeah.
Superstars. Yeah.
(59:24):
Nah. Real.
We enjoyed this one, right? Yeah.
Episode 27 the Do we talk to our90s listeners about the future
and the game going or do we keepit separate and not offend on
the style? Come up, come up with the
journey. Follow us.
Give us a follow if you want to hear if you want to hear 2 mates
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talking about modern day football and bury in the hatchet
with Guzman, Dembele winning Balandor and other absolute
nonsense going on in the PremierLeague.
What happened? There you go.
There we go. How's the game?
Gone how's the game got? I'll tell you what, we're on
Episode 2 and it's it's we had, I've had a few messages, right,
people, people are enjoying it. I just think people want to hear
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it as well. We're not doing anything with
the 90s Premier League podcast guys.
That's here to stay. Yeah, absolutely.
But this is just a yeah, little 30 minute, 35 minute episode
where each week we just, you know, talk about what's what's
gone wrong, what was going wrongwith the modern game.
So if there's anything you want us to talk about on those pod,
they they're shorter bursts of podcasts, aren't they?
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Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot ofBundesliga Jonesy's into the.
Lot of the German football. Yeah, we last week's episode was
great. I mean.
Yeah, I like that one. Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah. So how's the game gone?
It's on Apple, Spotify, so it's for obviously you can watch it
on Spotify as well. So yeah, just like subscribe,
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watch him and enjoy. Absolutely.
After you've, you know, had your90s.
I'm into the 2020 fives. But we, yeah, we'd like, we're
not forcing you to spend hours watching us or listening to our
voices, but. Let's go back to the 90s.
Here we go, We're back to the 90s.
Now, yeah, there we go. That was a quick, quick little
flick into the future. Yeah.
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So, yeah, absolutely. Where are you anyway?
You're on the. Where am I Yeah, Instagram only
guys love the support and the following.
Thank you ever so much Woody W 1988 and obviously that Premier
League podcast on Instagram. Jonesy, what about you mate?
Just the football dot Jonesy, just on the.
(01:01:42):
Pitting some high scores with this catalog material.
I am nearly up to 10,000 followers.
I know, but there's a couple of posts you've had which are in
the thousands of likes. Yeah.
What is it with these catalog nerds?
Mate, I'll just sit, I'll just go through I kind of bundle.
Them Have you got paper cuts from all these Argos catalogues
you've been going through? Mate, I've got a bundle of mags
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I'm still going to go through. I just find adverts and stuff
like that and I'm like, oh, tellyou what the good ones are, are
the shoot, if you've got any AT shoot ones and stuff and edge
like those Patrick ads are found.
I might have to do some digging,you know, because I, I do look
through my match magazines and Isee some stuff and I kind of
think, oh God, that's such a trip down memory lane.
And you do capture the nation's hearts, Jonesy, with your posts.
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And I think people are loving it, aren't they?
I read some of your quotes from like the Argos ones.
And I had that backpack, I had that, I had that.
I love it. It's wicked.
I find out that that the ones like the Quasar boots, yeah, I
had these. I had these when I was a kid.
I was bullied. Oh, no.
But yeah, I suppose it does haveits downfalls.
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But like, I can just be like pictures of some of the Patrick
boots and stuff. I'm like, I can feel the pain in
wearing the boot. Like even looking at the picture
it's like. I know I had some Deer, Doris
and yeah, Patrick goal the high tech.
Never mind over the days. Keep it coming, Jonesy.
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Yeah, will do. All right, Cool.
I think that says done mate. Yeah, episode 27.
Thanks for listening, watching. I've been liking and everything
in between. Yeah, and we'll see you on the
next one. Cheers guys.
Hello and welcome to another exciting episode, that 90s
Premier League podcast Episode 27.
Mr. Woody, how are you, mate? Very well.
Thank you, mate, Very well. How are you?
Oh, we'll get on to how I'm feeling in a minute.
I'm doing well mate, doing well.Very excited to do another pod
excited about this episode as well.
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The topic we've chosen, mate yeah.
Do you know what it's a it's a relevant topic on our forever
increasing pile thanks to you lovely listeners.
And we've chosen wisely this week, I think, mate, because
we've broken up our, our little trend a little bit.
We what we've, we've done kits, we've done some collectibles.
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Today's episode is about. 90s managers the yeah.
So we've got a bit of a selection.
Yeah, we want to do a bit of a Gappa series, don't we?
So we've picked out some some names.
It's worked out quite well. Let's not forget Jonesy.
These are as memorable as kits and as teams and as players.
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Some managers make theme right. Yeah, absolutely.
And this, yeah, there's a lot togo through as well.
We always talk. About rabbit holes mate,
exactly. But I mean, would you say that
like a team's success is specifically down to one guy or
do you think it's the collective?
I think it's yeah. The manager usually lays the
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foundations, doesn't he? Yeah.
Yeah, agreed. And there's been some stinkers.
Hasn't there just Let's get on to what?
What are you wearing? What are you wearing?
Well, I've gone to club leisure wear this week for you guys.
I've gone Trevor Francis with a Sheffield Wednesday 93 to 95
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club catalog Puma King polo shirt, which would probably have
been worn in his office, feet onthe desk, making a few transfer
phone calls or sitting on a coach, you know, telling Chris
Bart Williams to spell down or Des Walker to shut up.
You know, that old routine. What about you, Jamesy?
What are you? Wearing right, I am wearing a
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Blackburn Rovers, surprise, surprise, ASICS manager's
jacket. Well, coach's jacket from 90, I
think 9495 to 96. Just show me the collar though
mate like. I can't breathe.
No, but the fact it's got ASICS on the collar, hasn't it?
Yeah. You want to know who's made it?
Yeah. I recently found a photo of Ray
Harper wearing this next to Kenny on the on the sidelines.
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Beautiful. Relevant, but let's see how long
I can keep this on for. It's a sweat.
Now guys, 20 minutes. I've also gone for a tribute
today because obviously we, we know that recently, few years
ago Trevor Francis passed away. But I thought today, I thought
it's a beautiful tribute to alsopay respects to Chris Bart
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Williams because they unfortunately, they
unfortunately passed away a couple of days apart in the same
year. So huge loss the the footballing
community. I.
Remember that? Yeah, it was, it was.
Yeah, it was a sad kind of a sadweek, wasn't it?
For Wednesday fans. Yeah, for Forest as well.
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Yeah, Big. So yeah, it's very sad, but I
think they they've sort of been pioneers in 90s football.
So I think it's only respectful that we kind of pay homage to
those 2 today as well. Brilliant, mate, Brilliant.
All right, cool. Have you got a stat for us?
I have start of the week is manager focused so as of 2024
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guys Howard Wilkinson is the last English manager to win a
top flight league title. That's nuts.
And that was what, 1990 to 9191 to 92?
91 to 92 year Premier League standards.
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Which is crazy to think of the English managers that we've had
over the Premier League period, which we will touch on very
shortly. But if you think of the big
hitters that we've had, I mean, we're talking English here,
guys. So don't throw your remote
control at the screen and go Alex Ferguson, Kenny Delglish,
because we know they're Scottish.
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But yeah, Big Sam didn't win anything with bowling.
What gives, man? What gives?
Yeah. It's strange, isn't it?
I mean, I can only think about Harry Redknapp winning the FA
Cup finally with Portsmouth. Yeah, even from that, like Eddie
Howe recently winning the Carabelle Coca-Cola Cup.
Yeah, I was bracing myself for the Coca-Cola element there.
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I was thankful. Always been.
It'll always be Coca-Cola Cup tome.
Yeah, it's quite interesting, I thought.
It's, yeah, I mean even Kagan aswell.
Yeah, yeah. Right.
Yeah. Incredible.
Yeah, that's it. Oh, of course.
Super Kev came so close. Yes, yes, sure did.
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But OK, right, Never mind. Do we need to do a disclaimer
before we go into this though mate, because you did say that
there are managers that we're not going to include for obvious
reasons. Do you want to get the term
conditions? I think we just decided to go
away and do a lucky dip doing and it's worked out quite well.
I think it's amazing how connected.
Yeah. So I think yeah, just just the
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90s managers kind of, yeah, I guess it's who's who.
So we've just kind of gone away and just kind of thought, oh,
who's interesting? Yeah.
But we've that we've purposely excluded some managers today.
So if you're boiling the kettle as we speak to make your coffee
and sit down with your biscuits and hoping that we talk about so
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Alex Ferguson, Kenny Dalglish orArsene Wenger, apologies, we
want to delve a bit deeper, right?
Yeah, just some of those kind ofnot, I wouldn't even say
forgotten managers, but yeah, just some of those 90s.
You know, there's, there's a lotthat happened behind the scenes,
I think with some of these managers.
So it's good to go with a deep dive and like we said before,
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you know, Wenger, Ferguson, theycould have their own episodes.
Keegan, you know. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, to go about, but yeah, yeah, I'm excited to delve
into 90s managers. So we just picked a couple,
haven't we? Yeah, Just going to touch on All
righty, do you want to start us off?
Let's touch on Trevor Francis track suits.
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Do you know what? So as a kid, I had a huge like
love and respect for Trevor Francis because he was, he was
my first Sheffield Wednesday manager that I really kind of
like listened to, recognized andhe was the face of Sheffield
Wednesday. I always admired how calm he was
when he spoke. Now for some people, they might
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find that he was probably too calm.
Yeah. But I thought not only did he
have an incredible career, he was obviously the first
£1,000,000 transfer, but also heplayed to the age of 40 for
Sheffield Wednesday. So he was player manager for us
until, oh crikey, 1990390394 so.Because he took over a big run,
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didn't he? He did, yeah.
He was obviously a player at that point, for I was.
Going to say, yeah. So he was just a player come to
the end of his career Wednesday.Yeah, wow.
I still find it strange now whenyou get player managers, you
would never have that in this day and age of football, would
you? In the Premier League.
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You think how how big of a job that is to play as well.
Yeah, I always usually find it funny though, when he put
himself on because he didn't look like a footballer, like
towards the age of like, And that's not disrespectful, but
like if you think about a 40 years old, I'm near 40, you're
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40. Like we we look completely
different compared to Trevor France this.
Yeah. Did he score in the UEFA Cup or
he played in the UEFA Cup game something, didn't he?
Yeah, yeah, he did. So he did have an incredible,
well I say incredible, sorry it's not incredible, but he had
a very successful win rate at Sheffield Wednesday.
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So out of 216 games, 89 wins, soa win rate of 41.2%, which over
his kind of career was probably his better spell as manager.
And obviously he led us to 2 finals, the Coca-Cola Cup and FA
Cup final, we'll quickly brush over those.
But he got us to Wembley. So yeah, he was an incredible
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manager. I did find, I think one of the
biggest stories from his kind oftime at Sheffield Wednesday.
There has got to be the Cantona trial for me.
So I did a little bit digging onthis many, I don't know if many
people know about it or not. Can you remember watching Eric
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wear the beautiful blue and white colours of Sheffield
Wednesday? Yeah, and I'll put up a picture
as well. Yeah, right.
We did. So he invited Eric Cantona for a
trial at Sheffield Wednesday. So it was Trevor's idea, right?
But snow had obviously hit Sheffield quite badly, which
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meant that the the trial itself had to be played on Astroturf,
which was the indoor 5A side game that we saw him wearing the
Mr. Tom kit. Yes, yes.
So Trevor Francis wasn't happy with what he saw, so he
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requested an extension for his trophy.
It's, I find, incredible to think like you're asking Eric
Canon to come back, which ruffled Eric Canon has feathers.
Yeah. So he wanted to see Eric play on
grass. He wasn't sold, Right.
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So an outraged Eric Canon walkedout and signs for Leeds United
the next day. All right, it's.
Just. That's yeah.
That can change Premier League history with that.
But Trevor, because I see him ongrass.
Well, that's it. He was getting shopped around
Canton. I wasn't it.
I mean, Graham Seamus didn't want him as well, did he?
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Like Graham, Seamus turned him down.
No, and I love all of these. They're not conspiracy stories,
are they? But you know, like all these
kind of like when pros retire and then they then go, oh, such
and such wanted me. I'm really interested in that.
I'm kind of like, you know, likewhen Mcateer was going to go to
Blackburn with Kenny, Yeah. And Kenny, Kenny Dalgly says to
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him like, oh, you're not going to find a bigger club.
You're not going to play for Liverpool.
You're going to be in the reserve.
So just enjoy sitting on the bench.
And he becomes the Spice Boys because he's had a good career
at Liverpool. But it's those like sliding door
moments. It's like, wow, what could have
been if Canton are like, put hiscollar up in a Steel City Derby.
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Jeez, feisty. Feisty.
Feisty. Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, Trevor Franciswas one of those managers that
loved wearing the kit, didn't he?
So I can remember seeing him on the side with the.
Short wanted to be involved, yeah.
You can imagine him being still taking part in training and
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things like that, like. Yeah, well, he was still a fit
player, wasn't he? Obviously To think that he went
as player manager from 40 and then came into management
obviously from his career after he then went to manage
Birmingham City and obviously had a spell there.
So yeah, I think he's he was a he was a good manager for us.
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I just, I associate him to good times at Sheffield Wednesday.
That was a good. Transitional period and always
like his commentary. Yeah, he was.
He had a good voice, didn't he? Like, yeah, a commentary voice.
Yeah, he did. Yeah, yeah, I liked it.
But yeah, I used to have. I saw some very good memories of
Trevor Francis. I just, I liked him as a
manager. I did.
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Yeah, and what happened, it justkind of just fell away near the
end, didn't it? And.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, what, what season did he
90? I think he went to 9596 and then
that's when we got David Plate in.
David Plate, Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, the whole kind
of dynamic changed and players like Carlton Palmer had gone,
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David Hurst was going, Waddle was coming to the end.
You know, it was a real kind of like transition period for us at
the end of that. But yeah, good manager, I
thought. Liked him?
Yeah, Excellent. Cool.
Good way to start. Thanks, Trevor Francis.
Well, my choice, we got Mike Walker.
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Very red faced Mike Walker from this picture.
I was always intrigued by his hair.
Yeah, she was like a helmet or so.
I don't know. Let's go back to it.
Yeah, you're right. By the power of Mike Walker,
Mike. Walker I was always intrigued.
I couldn't make sense of like Ian.
Walker, they're running the family mate.
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They, they had good hair. Ian Walker was head and
shoulders as well, wasn't he? He was, yeah.
Mike was unavailable. Cheers, Dad.
Yeah, Mike was unavailable. Can you imagine in his Everton
tracksuit running his answer is there?
No thanks. So I'm just going to touch on
Mike Walker. I mean we spoke, I think we
spoke about, you know, I touching on a time I had on
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about Norwich with these gas. So I didn't talk about his
evidence. So he had a great, you know,
nearly bloody won the league. Norwich, you know, he had a good
time. UEFA carp all that thing.
So he was poached by He was poached by Everton was January
94 take over Howard Kendall. Speak to Phil as well.
Yeah, and it just didn't. Because Howard Kendall won
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leagues with Everton, didn't he?In cups and all sorts and was in
Europe within that time. Yeah, so I've just gone to this
is my my reference. So I've gone to Neville S for
the bin man Chronicles, right? What a photo.
Sorry, I thought I'd just delve into and read read some parts
from that The Bin Man Chroniclesabout Mike Walker.
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Go ahead mate, love that. From Neville Southall.
Neville was pretty excited because Mike Walker's a
goalkeeper as well in his early years, and he was from Neville
Southall was from Llandudno. Mike was from Collin Bay, where
I was from. There you go kind of fame.
No way. Yeah.
So just go and like, just take the exits from it.
So Nevada's talked about Howard Kendall struggling with the lack
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of characters, Everton by the time when he left, so you know
he would, Howard would have hated a club like Norwich, which
where is a bunch of yes Sir, no Sir type players which Mike
Walker had. So Mike Walker's coming in, and
Nevada's already. From.
Nevada's already said it's goingto be too much for Mike to
handle the characters, and he included himself in that
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equation. And it was just like he was
hardly ever there. Like Walker was never never to
be seen until 5 minutes before the end of a session where he'll
pull up in his Jag, make his face be seen, and then bugger
off again. You're already setting for a big
downfall of that though, aren't you?
You've got to be present when you join a club and and develop
a rhythm, don't you? I mean, Ferguson had that the
need. We just weren't going to the
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kind of football he wanted us toplay, which is the continental
type. Lots of passing from the back.
It wasn't suited to Everton at the time, it wasn't suited to
English football. We'd pass the ball 50 times
without leaving 1/2, give the ball away and that opponent
would score. Thing Neville could see into the
future. Yeah, and then he just slates
like the signings, you know, Brett Angel and stuff like that.
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It's just if Brett put his head outside the door, he'd gets he'd
get stick. He was just one of those people.
Like he just got hammered by thethe fans, but it just didn't
work out for him. Yeah.
And I think he only lasted like 10 months.
It's just yeah. He's remembered as a one season
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wonder manager at Norwich. Well, I just, I don't.
What I didn't get about him, hiskind of like trajectory as a
manager, was that he was actually really achieving
something at Norwich. Now I know there was a lot of
transfers out though, wasn't there?
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Yeah, yeah, there was was, Yeah.This just seems to be a selling
club, wouldn't they? Yeah, So what was it, Sutton?
A Cuckoo A. Cuckoo went yeah, Rule Fox.
Yeah. So that's a.
That's a lot of. It's a big part of your team
gone attacking wise, isn't it? Yeah.
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And it was just, I mean, as I said, he didn't last very long
and they just didn't, didn't take to him.
And then they just obviously just after leaving, just went
back to Norwich and I think he was ever heard from again after
that. Did he implement any of his
Norwich? Did he take any Norwich players
with him? I didn't.
See, no, no, I just signed people like Bret Angel, I think.
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Oh yeah, there you go. Mike Walker.
Just not, I guess, even if you mention his name now around
Everton, I think it'd be becausethat was a hell of a scene.
I mean, they survived. Remember that one against
Wimbledon? And he was a part of that when
they kept them up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, yeah, I suppose. But like should have ever been
down there in the first place. Yeah, it was something not right
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with that team. Like I just had to follow the
foundations. Yeah, but I guess the man who
took over. There we go.
Mr. Joe Royal. Go on.
Mr. Joe. Yeah, but he seemed to get it
right, didn't he? Yeah, he's like if I were to say
Premier League managers and I were to sort of describe Premier
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League managers, Joe Royal is upthere with one of the Premier
League managers. I'd describe firstly the tie,
the neatly combed over hair, theUmbro bench coat.
You know, he was a football manager for me.
He'd be like on, on my kind of Championship manager in the 90s
as what a manager would look like, you know, build your own.
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Yeah, yeah. Took over.
Everton were obviously bottom ofthe league in 1994, but that
season he ends up winning the FACup in 1995.
Is that told song about enough? There you go.
He was like, what's his first game?
Was his first game against Liverpool or that was his first
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win or something, wasn't it? That was his first win and that
was also was that the Duncan Ferguson's Tiger as well.
Yeah, I think Ferguson ride out that game, yeah.
So, yeah. So that so that gets you on that
gets you kind of the fans on board to start with, isn't it?
You beat Liverpool. Yeah, crazy.
But again, 12 years at Oldham before Everton.
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Just how long? Jeez. 12 years is incredible
now, ironically enough, I I wanted to find out where Joe
Royal was now and I didn't do this kind of like family tree or
anything like that. Didn't go door knocking.
He is now a current director at Oldham, again since 20220.
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I think you've heard that. Yeah, I love.
That he's back where it all began.
Is this, is this in this sign involved as well?
Oh, probably. Sorry.
Yeah. Right.
The theme tunes being the theme tune, obviously.
So Premier League survival was confirmed at the beginning of
May in his first season because obviously he had some damage to
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repair was he wins the FA Cup forever.
And so he pretty much already goes down into fan folklore as
the manager that brings silverware to Goodison Park.
He resigned in 1997. Do you cook?
Can you remember why? Or one of the factors I've got
down is why so? Something to do with transfers.
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I don't know. It cut.
What was it, dude? That's usually your way, isn't
it? Yeah.
What happened? So in 1997 he was not allowed to
sign Torre Andre Flow and I remember.
Here he is. Article Klaus AFTVAG So there
you go. Like firstly not being able to
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sign Tori Andre flow and then hegoes and signs for Chelsea.
I kind of think though, Tori Andre flow I know he wasn't as
physical as Duncan Ferguson, buthe was pretty much the same
aerial presence and stature as him.
So was that meaning that Dunk was on the way out if he'd have
got Flow in? I don't know but just didn't
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seem to match in my mind. Tori Andre Flow going to
Everton. No, no, that's a strange one,
Yeah. 118 games overall for Everton with a 39.83% win rate,
which isn't bad, but some of thesignings that he brought in for
Everton over his time at the club, right?
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Duncan Ferguson, Andre Kanchelskis, Nick Barnby.
Yeah, and Gary Speed. So he had money to spend.
So near the end it just got, youknow, they just probably just
didn't trust him. I don't know, he might have fell
out with the board or. Well, it's obviously a case of,
oh, he gave me money a couple ofyears ago, why aren't you giving
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me more cash to spend? They're like Joe.
Joe, Sorry. Yeah, we've spent the budget
somewhere else. Well, I'm off.
Well, I'm off. See you later.
Obviously he then went to to ManCity from there and obviously
got them promoted, involved in the famous playoff win against
Gillingham at Wembley, Nikki Weaver, but again stayed at Man
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City when they're back in the Championship or the Division One
at that point. But just like I said, I
mentioned it earlier, but these Premier League managers are more
than just managers. They're like part of history,
aren't they, in terms of what they did and what clubs they
managed and like how they looked, what they wore, like
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their celebrations. Like I can still picture like
Joe Royal, like being absolutelylike mobbed and bundled at the
end of like keeping Everton up from Premier League and.
Yeah. You know, and like running down
with his blazer and his cuff showing his tie going everywhere
and oh, it's just brilliant. I love it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, brilliant.
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Who's next? So we're going to go to Alan
Ball. I was looking for that cap.
I did have a cap like that somewhere.
I just couldn't find it. I was going to rock that today.
There we go. So Alan Ball.
So we all remember. So I'm going to touch on the
City Cody saga. So you know how well he did it.
You know, we've heard the story at Southampton where he's just
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got all the players into a ball and said just give the ball to
Matt Leticier. That's how they're going to
play. Yeah, it worked.
So we're going to touch on his Man City kind of so I guess from
the 9596, but before that we're just going to touch on the
manager, Brian Horton. So Brian Horton.
So the end I'm going to touch onthe end of the 9495 season.
So they finished 17th. Yeah, not not good enough.
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But you know, as soon as two days after the season finished
it, there was rumours that sinceyou were going to replace him,
one of the managers mentioned itwas Dave Bassett.
Because City were, yeah, he was linked to everyone, literally
everyone. So he had a reputation for
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running clubs on shoestring budgets, which caught the eye of
France, Frannie Lee. But one of the stumbling points
was that if they sacked Horton, they'd have to pay him £250,000.
Sorry. After that, they're like, no,
no, Horton's staying for the 9596 season.
Managing director the next morning comes out Colin Barlow.
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Brian Horton hasn't been sacked.He remains the manager.
All right. 2:00 PM. The statement gets read out,
which ends Horton's 20 month reign.
So he gets a sack. What's happened within that time
span though? And I remember hearing this,
Horton did an interview on a ManCity podcast a few years ago and
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he he revealed that he was alerted to the national
newspapers and how Francis Lee was going to remove him.
So he Brian Horton said, I was at an awards dinner after the
last game of the season. And the following warning,
Nottingham Forest manager Frank Clark said, have you seen the
national papers? No, I haven't.
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So that he sees in the papers he's been sacked.
So then he drives to Frannie Lee's house and St.
Albans, yeah, and has it out. Which is I ironic really,
because a few years later Frank Clark, who was who's the one to
inform Brian Horton of his sacking in February 1998, finds
out on his radio that he's been sacked from Man City.
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Oh dear, that is awful. That's literally like looking
down the end of your drive and like his wife going Franny love.
It's Brian. He's at the end of your drive.
He doesn't look happy. So so he hopes come on and I
love this. I found this list of rumoured
rumoured contenders considering this was this was Manchester
City finished 17th Premier League, not the city of today.
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So there were rumoured contenders for the for the job.
Graham Soonas, Ron Atkinson, George Graham, who had lost his
job at Arsenal, Franz Beckenbauer, John Toshack.
Oh. God.
Bobby Robson, Joe Kinnear, BrianHitt.
But there was. But there was one man who had
just celebrated signing a a three-year, three-year contract
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at Southampton. That was Alan Ball, who was
actually a close horse racing friend of Francis Lee.
So there you go. So that's a connection already.
But what a Yeah. So he becomes the kind of the
number one, kind of. But what I've found interesting
as well, where they would kind of town them up and stuff.
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Apparently Francis Lee called Matt Leticia for a reference.
My God. That's weird.
That's red flat material. What's he?
Like. Yeah, what's he like?
I hope he'd probably bring him with him.
But yeah, it's just it didn't work out.
And, you know, apparently City had a playing a playing squad of
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40 players at the beginning of the 9596 and he, Francis Lee,
wanted to trim to 32. So yeah, he's poached.
He poached the Alan ball. And yeah, it just didn't start
right. Signed.
His first signing was Georgie Conclave.
See. So that's a.
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Cult figure that's. That's a good start.
And I remember hearing some PaulWalsh just on a on an interview
as well, just saying how it justdidn't it just didn't fit.
He just didn't, you know, he he came in there, wanted to clear
out, you see, wanted the old boys gone.
But yeah, the problem is so thatthe players weren't coming in
quick enough. So he needed to trim the squad,
but he got on, got on the back of the current squad.
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So he just, you know, he couldn't move players out quick
enough. So then again, yeah, so the
foundations to begin with. It's just it's, it's odd, isn't
it? Like, are you a believer in if a
manager's performing at one club, they're going to do the
same for the new club they go into?
Because I wouldn't have said Alan Ball performed well.
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He just managed his team better than the previous Southampton
guy. Yeah, so he's then just got rid
of Tony. Tony Colton's gone.
Terry Phelan's gone. Oh, Kelvank's gone.
Paul Walsh is gone. Gary Flipkov's gone.
That's just like, he's just. Yeah.
And a play. I think he replaced Paul Walsh
with his Gerry Craney, and I just didn't work very well.
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So you broke up the Paul Walsh and Noel Quinn partnership?
Yeah, of that partnership. Yeah, they and it just.
Gets to, I mean, we've brought it for four just now, the famous
11 games without a win start. Yeah.
And then it just got to the point of, I think I've shared it
before in one of the episodes ofthe six nil lost to Liverpool
where Paul said they enjoyed, enjoyed watching that game.
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It's another Landry. I mean, you think of Alan Ball
with a mash, the flat sharp and things like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Iconic again though mate.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's just one of those.
But I mean, World Cup, you know,I think it was the.
This was it. The youngest player of the 1966
World Cup squad. Are you sure he was?
Yeah. But this is just another one,
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isn't it? It just.
Didn't. Was this the season they got
relegated on the final day when they kind of got Niall Quinn
comes sprinting out of the tunnel?
Yeah. Oh God.
I think I think we've benched that one on a relegation
efforts. Yeah, Yeah, it was.
And then he started, yeah, the the Division One season and it
just, yeah, I think it was gone straight away, wasn't he?
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But there's another one who's just he he should have stayed at
Southampton longer. Like he just jumped, you know,
he's, he said that, you know, this is a once in a lifetime
job, so that's why he's taking it.
But yeah. I I get, I get how like if
you're wanted by another team, it's flattering, you know, you
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get that kind of like Peacock feathers.
You know, I'm going to, I'm going to go and save Manchester
City now. I'm going to do a better job
than Brian Horton. But at the same time, if you're
doing really well with Southampton, you've got yourself
into a playing rhythm where Letizia is performing.
He's scoring from 30 yards. Do you know what I mean?
Yes, Like Heath is expressively playing the football that he
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wants to play. Like, don't go and reinvent the
wheel. Like keep it, keep, keep going.
Yeah, so, so one of the I've hada quote, one of the quotes he
that kind of went down like a lead balloon where he said when
he took over about the plane squad, he said in a sense it is
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a bit like cleaning out the drains.
I've been told there's a lot of plumbers in Young Place at Main
Road but we need to. Make go out the.
Drains. If you're a veteran, you're even
cleaning out the drains. So he was going for the youth
movement, which just, yeah, yeah.
Didn't work out? There you go.
So when you take over a job, thefirst thing is you don't have
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any. I'm here to clean out the
drains. But you could also see as well,
right, that back then they probably didn't have the press
offices and stuff that we have now, you know, like where
they'll give a manager a statement to release and they'll
be like, I am delighted to join Manchester City Football Club
for the 10 year of 10 year contract.
Like now, Alan Balls like, yeah,I'm here to clear out the
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drains. Like Alan, Don't say that.
Yeah, there you go. So yeah, I always thought that
was a fascinating story, how it just.
That was a bit of a soap opera that one, mate.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just found that.
Yeah, it's sadly, yeah. Brian Horton finds out from
Frank Clark in the newspaper that he's being stuck.
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And then Brian Clark finds out on the radio a few years later.
He's been. I imagined it being like that
episode of The Office where David Brent's going, like you're
not going to leave your job, you're not going to lose your
job, and then skips like Brian Horton ago, you're not going to.
Yeah, that's a good one. OK, here we go.
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All right, let's touch on Georgie.
It's the George I put there withthe with the silverware.
Look at that. Great picture George Graham
guys, right, George Graham. So Arsenal originally offered
the job back in I think, well crikey, what would it have been
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the late sort of mid, mid to late 80s to Terry Venables as he
was a Barcelona at the time he but he declined.
They then went and offered the job to Alex Ferguson when he was
at Aberdeen. He also declined because the
original plan was to get Alex Ferguson in as manager and have
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George Graham as his assistant, right?
At the time Alex Ferguson was temporary manager of Scotland
because of the passing of their manager in the AE.
So he was covering Aberdeen and Scotland, said it was too much,
didn't want Arsenal etcetera. So they went to George Graham,
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right? Obviously in terms of George
Graham and how quickly he turnedaround, there's no secret that
again, he was another manager that literally came in and
wanted to drain out the, you know, clear the drains with
Arsenal because they were players like Kenny Sampson and
stuff that he released. He kept on play, brought players
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in like Nigel Winterbourne, Lee Dixon, obviously Tony Adams kept
Steve Bold. So he had a real youth policy
with Arsenal at the time and based his squad on that.
So we all know about the famous 89, the winner, Anfield, Michael
Thomas, that's down in Arsenal and English football folklore.
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But obviously I wanted to touch on how he lost his job at
Arsenal because he wins the Coca-Cola Cup, he wins the Cup
Winners Cup, he wins the FA Cup.So he's delivering silverware
for Arsenal. They're obviously on the map
with qualifying for Europe, they're bringing in the Charity
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Shield, etcetera. Bigger players are starting to
come in. He lost his job after the
Premier League found out that heaccepted an illegal payment from
a Norwegian agent following Arsenal's acquisition of Yong
Jensen and Paul Linderson. During the Paul Linderson, I
completely forgot I'd played forArsenal.
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Yeah. But he he was signed at Arsenal
from 1991, stayed there till 1995 but only made 15
appearances. Oh hell.
Graham was obviously then bannedfor four year, for a year for
that, but obviously he left Arsenal which subsequently left
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Stuart Houston in charge. Yeah, until the next manager
came in. Jamesy.
I'll leave it. Yes, after a year George Graham
then travels to Ellen Rd. which then worked at Leeds.
Not a great start. 5 losses in six including a three nil defeat
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to the New Wave Arsenal. Arsene Wenger, he then went
defensive. Now George Graham as we know,
his kind of style of play was very defensive.
He created the bold Adams, Winterbourne, Dixon, you know
that was the English back four with semen etcetera.
So he tried it again at Leeds and it worked because he had 6
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clean sheets in seven which was a club record and then finished
11th in the league. Which?
Is pretty impressive really. I do know that there's a story
that I've heard about George Graham through Calum Palmer
though. So George Graham approached
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Calum Palmer and I don't know ifit was at the Coca-Cola Cup or
the FA Cup final and asked him to join Arsenal and Calum Palmer
said no. And basically Calum Palmer
signed for Leeds as George Graham was manager and obviously
George Graham had retained that conversation.
And. Just basically told he wasn't
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part of his plans, which then subsequently lent to the
transfer of Calton Palmer going to Southampton.
Yeah, because he wasn't wanted. But he did bring in Jimmy Floyd
Hasselbank. Pretty good signing for Leeds.
Very good signing, yeah. Was George Graham the one who
played Rush on the wing? Yeah, Lee Sharp as well.
Yeah. Yeah, he wasn't.
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He wasn't a fan with his playersbecause I don't actually recall
a lot of players actually singing his praises.
You know, I seem to remember even Tony Ebola seemed to fizzle
out under joy. Yeah, yeah, he was very much a
my way or the highway kind of manager.
And obviously then he goes to Tottenham after that and wins
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the the Coca-Cola Carlin CarabaoCup against Leicester.
So obviously he's the first manager to win silverware with
both North London clubs, Arsenaland Tottenham.
But yeah, I mean George Graham, just for me, very well
presented. You can always picture him in
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his Arsenal club tie with the the suit with the cannon on it
and the kind of big added ass overcoat.
Well, there was that famous clipthough, wasn't there that when
he did he bang his head or did he fall in the Subs bench or
something? Oh yes, yes, my brother just
think it was the funniest momentall he banged his head on the
dugout. I.
Always used to make like a DannyBaker video, didn't he?
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Hated that. But yeah, another sort of
manager that kind of I, I do think like he certainly because
I don't know if that's where thekind of boring, boring Arsenal
came from because they were so well sort of put together
defensively. But we talk about like the
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Vengers and the kind of Fergusons and how they
implemented a certain style of play.
He very much created a team in alot of his teams to shut up
shop. You know, it started from the
back 4 and that was an incredible back line that he
created from there with Winterbourne Dixon and that
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lasted Arsenal for what that. Lasted a long term, yeah.
I mean, Wenger inherited him, did he?
And kept them and. He didn't have to change
anything, he just added a littlesprinkle in a Keone that was.
It ready made brick wall. Exactly, thanks for the defence.
Thanks. Cheers.
Cheers. Double G.
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Cheers, Gigi. Yeah.
But obviously then who's next, mate?
Yeah, well, this has worked out well, isn't it?
So my last one was Mr. Bruce Rio, Bruce Benny.
I've always had a story like Remember Newsround on BBC.
What? Liza Mazumba?
Absolutely. Talk about yeah, this is 90s.
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I remember when Bruce Rio got the job on Newsround.
I was watching it and they're like, announced.
Oh yeah, Arsenal announced a newmanager, Bruce Rocket, and I've
always stuck with that Bruce Rocket.
Or can I could be aware of BruceRioka?
Bruce Rocket. So Bruce Riok.
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There you go. So he's just taken over.
You know, they had that Cup Winners Cup game from the
halfway line, even though it wasn't from the halfway line,
was it? I still think that's high level
shit housery. I am from the halfway line, but
so Bruce Riok did great at Bolton, got the promoted
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Coca-Cola Cup. So his reputation at Bolton,
he's punching above his way eventhere.
But for some reason he's got theArsenal job.
Well, Arsenal wanted Bobby Robson originally, you know,
just the usual people get linkedwith the jobs.
You know, back then it was John Toshaks, your own Kroy, Bobby
Robson, you know, Graham soon asI think got linked with the
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Arsenal job as well. It's gone to it's gone to Bruce.
I mean, he could be credited. I mean, does he get a lot of
credit, I don't know, for bringing in Bergkamp and.
David Platt. I mean, that's incredible.
Was a transfer window, isn't it?Yeah, I did.
I did watch a Match of the Day not long ago, and it was the
Bruce Riock era. Bergkamp was injured, I believe,
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but it was Arsenal, Liverpool, and they just looked awful.
Yeah, in terms of like the team they had, it was just so bad.
Yeah. So his, his.
I know. I always got the thing that was
like an extension of George Graham, like the structured,
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very rigid. Yeah, Yeah.
And apparently, yeah. They struggled to score freely
despite Bokamp's arrival. And he's just, yeah, I don't
know, just run that season. I mean, they did OK that season.
Yeah, I mean this like if qualify for Europe like go easy
on him. I just think George Graham set
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to higher standard though, didn't he?
What happened? Sorry for Uncle George.
He's probably he Probably. Yeah.
Fuck off from Gigi to Uncle George.
Like, yeah, he's up in the family tree.
Obviously, because what? Doing some research from the
bunk. The bunk thing.
I love the Yeah, bunk. Took a bunk.
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Didn't I didn't even know. When were you a kid?
You're like bunk? What's a bunk in Magic magazine
you're reading? A bun.
Yeah, it's like. What's a bun?
It's funny how there's a kid. You had no idea.
You didn't have an idea. I mean, This is why we're doing
this now where we can go back and go, oh, that happened, but
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back then you had no idea. But see, the Newsround couldn't
get it right. Even Newsround and Bruce Rocket.
But like because of the obviously the bong situation,
Arsenal have become apparently paranoid about the transfer
activities. So how it is was that?
Yeah, like who else did we sign?Yeah.
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So back then, you know, when managers had, like Ferguson, had
complete control over everything, you know?
Every. That's how it should be now, I
still think. Yeah, not the brand of tea bags
in like the campaign and stuff like Ferguson like had control
over everything. And I guess Graham had the same
thing at Arsenal, but obviously because of this transfer
business, Arsenal have decided to kind of restrict RIOC of the
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transfers. So like, you're not in charge of
transfers. And this is where we had a bit
of a fallout with David Dean, who I think it was the vice
chairman or something then. Yeah.
And then it got to the point where it was just the internal
fighting. So apparently, apparently it's
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quite funny. So Rio made a wish list of 29
players he wanted all bowling. We'll get on to that Once you
remember that was the same, thatstory about how he halted
training one time and told Ian Wright, you know, John McGinley
does it this way. Yeah, way to win him over,
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Bruce. Yeah, so then he's fallen out.
So he's fallen out of being right.
And a few other figures there aswell.
But the 29 players, you know, hehe requested and he got none.
I'll read out some of the some of the it's like a championship
manager wishlist this. So this is some of the players
Bruce Rio wanted. It's a who's who's on the soccer
world. So he wanted Les Ferdinand,
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Jurgen Klinsmann, Alan Shearer, Clarence Sedorf, Roberto Carlos,
Alan Stubbs, Jason Mcateer, Andre Konchelskis, Frank de
Boer, Ronald de Boer, Rui Rui Costa, Jiao Quinto, Paul Ince,
Jamie Redknapp, Tim Sherwood, Neil Ruddock, Warren Barton, Lee
Sharp and David Beckham. There we go.
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OK, how many more? Bruce?
David Beckham, say dorf. Oh my God.
So he's just like, yeah. Didn't he put in offers for
Jason Mcateer and Alan Stubbs? So where did they feature?
Not for him. Yeah.
Wow. Yeah, Obviously John McGinley
probably tried to get him as well.
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I didn't know what John McGinleydid.
I see him, right? Yeah, he did.
So that's where they kind of didn't find him.
You know, he wasn't happy that the financial side of the job
got taken away from him. I mean, arsenally, obviously
paranoid because of what's happened.
So yeah, there's just kind of. You know, like, but let's not
over shadow his kind of career as a manager of Bolton because
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that's an incredible achievementfor Bolton.
Not even what had been nerby in that that Coca-Cola Cup final
against Liverpool, like Bolton were good.
David Lee on the wing, you know?Yeah, some great players, yeah.
Who was that, Colin? Is it Colin Doyle?
Yeah, The manager? No.
Was it Colin Doyle? Colin.
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Todd Owen. No, not Colin Owen.
Owen Coyle. Owen Coyle.
Owen Coyle, Mixu, Pat Leinen. I was going to say Mixu, yeah,
because. I can remember watching the red
in Bolton playoff final and thinking like Bolton were really
good and he was very disciplinedas a manager though wasn't he?
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Because he was born from a like a regimental background?
He actually was born in Aldershot, was dad was in the
army. Yeah, yeah.
So he was really. Kind of like regimented and.
I found I found some kind of things about his training as
well. So unlike George Graham, who
would stand on the sideline, youknow, yeah, Bruce would join in
the training in the small side of games and go in fully blooded
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5050 with his own players. Get it often, often leaving a
little something extra on the young upstarts.
He loved the rock. Now, do you remember, and I saw
this the other day, right when we were talking about the 90s
hard men and you mentioned KevinMuscat, didn't you?
Yeah. Do you remember his challenge
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for Wolves against Norwich on Craig Bellamy?
Oh, probably seen. Horrendous.
Yeah, Who comes charged onto thepitch in a great big overcoat?
Bruce. Brucy.
Because he goes to to Norwich after Arsenal.
Oh yeah, he does. Yeah.
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And Bruce Riock is running on threatening to grab Kevin Muscat
by the the short and curlies. Oh wow, but like you just saying
before about the regimental he was.
Like, yeah, a manager to be feared.
Like an Army instructor. Apparently there was a session
where, you know, they had Paul Merson and you know, he was
(47:26):
great player, Yeah, distance runner.
And apparently, and apparently, they screamed or Bruce screamed
at the players to drag Merce along along with them.
But you're but you're also coming into a team with the
Tuesday, Wednesday club like they had a great togetherness,
the nice squad. Was that hadn't That was still
going on, wasn't it? Yeah, because there's that clip,
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isn't there? Of Ray Parlor being put in jail
in Hong Kong? Isn't there a pre season tour?
And he was with Chris Colombia and a few others and obviously
was that. I think that was either Stuart
Houston because. I think of Stuart Houston.
Yeah, they used to. Play him about all the time,
didn't they? But like because George had gone
there was no structure and then Bruce Riot come in before that,
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obviously they just ruled the roost.
So I can imagine there was probably a bit of a a click that
he was coming into. And it's quite like, it's almost
like the Mighty Ducks, isn't it?Like sort of coach Bombay turns
up and they're always, oh, we'remates already.
Like, what are you trying to teach us?
Like, stop saying Bolton, who else have you got on your list
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then, mate? Let's let's talk about some
stinkers. What else have we got?
Well, it's just like the ones like your Christian Gross and
things like that where all these, you know, Continental
managers were coming in, weren'tthey?
Nine wins from 26 games. Christian Gross at Tottenham,
mate, 26 games, they finished 14th.
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I would just say to you, but if I was to say to you, Welly's on
the touchline. Welly's on the touchline.
Yeah, who would that be? You've got me there.
Who is that? Gil Olson for Wimbledon.
Oh yes. So he was the Norwegian manager,
but obviously come to Wimbledon used to wear Wellington boots on
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the touchline. Can you picture him now in that
like that white and Navy blue anorak with like the tiny
sponsor written on on the back. They got relegated in the 99 two
thousand season and he achieved eleven wins from 43 batches.
Strange one, wasn't it? Absolutely strange one, but like
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going from that, I mean, even things you don't hear now joint
managers. Oh.
Yeah, I was. I was a Red in like, like I've
mentioned, of course, watch Red in.
They had Mickey Quinn, Mickey, Mickey Gooden and Jimmy Quinn.
Yes. Joint player managers when Mark
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McGee left out was weird. It was.
And they played as well. What do they do like?
Who's on the bench you you just subbed yourself on?
Right. He's playing today, yeah.
It's a weird maybe since the drop, yeah.
Who else was a Premier League joint manager then?
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Oh, so you've got Roy Evans, Gerald Julio.
I never. I mean, I'd like to talk about
Roy Evans and Gerald Julio and another gaffe is 1, but I just
remember being a Liverpool fan. They just didn't want to sack
Roy. Like if we get someone else in
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like. I hope he gets the hint.
Yeah, who's going to tell who's who's going to tell Roy?
Just get someone else in. You'll get him a hint.
Yeah, that's what it seemed like.
It was very because he'd been doing the job for like 4 years
before that. If you're doing a job for four
years and suddenly you've got all right, we're going to bring
someone in. It doesn't.
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Yeah, I don't know. Felt uncomfortable as a neutral
saying comfortable. Yeah, yeah.
It was almost like he was a failing manager.
And they brought in an order. And it's like Jared Julio behind
him, like. But didn't.
Do this better really. But.
Thinking about that, didn't likethe end of the night.
It didn't Middlesbrough do without with Terry Venables,
(51:29):
yeah. But Brian Robson, they brought
him in, yeah. The the overlooking L tell.
Yeah. I mean, that's another one we
could talk about another Brian Robson, because, you know.
Yeah, I think he deserves a mention about.
So staying on the theme of duos,yeah, John Gorman, I remember
him as Gwenden, though he was obviously assistant manager to
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Glenn Hoddle for quite a period of time over the years.
So he was actually offered. So he was the manager for
Swindon 9394, right? Their Premier League season
because Glenn Hoddle gets them promoted at the playoffs and
then gets offered the Chelsea job.
Glenn Hoddle says to John, come and join me at Chelsea.
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I want to use my assistant in the big, in the big leagues.
John says no, I'm going to take Swindon to the Champions League.
I'm going to stay at the County Ground and I'm going to work my
magic. Didn't win a game until Match
16. Ended the season with five wins,
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conceding 100 goals in 42 matches.
Said it before, mate. Going down, going down with
Swindon Town, I think a few years.
Like the Gorman goes to England with him, yeah.
Exactly. Yeah, So he kind of.
And also he John Gorman was alsoa read in from other stages and
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he had a lot of he went to manage Northampton Town from
that in the mid 90s. So he had little stints, but
then went back to to Uncle Glennand felt his warm embraced and
said, let me be your assistant again.
I'm sorry for leaving you. I'm talking about assistance
going now that that's one thing that doesn't seem to assistance,
you know, Kenny Dalglish win in the league.
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Ray Harford, you know, taking over.
It doesn't no, they just don't take them.
It's. Like them sort of like waking up
in the morning looking in the mirror and going, I can do
better than Kenny. I can't do this.
Let me give it a go. You know, it's, it's, it's sad.
You know, I sometimes. Find the only one is it?
Did David O'Leary take over George Graham?
(53:45):
Was he his assistant? So that kind of worked out for a
stage, didn't it? Yeah, George David O'Leary had a
good manager sort of career, kind of early 2000s with Villa
as well as Leeds and you know, so it did work out.
Back then, it was like Alex Ferguson, Brian Kidd.
Yeah, Yeah, exactly. George Graham.
Stuart Houston. Yeah, Stuart Houston, he just
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came to get the keys all the time, every right out the door.
Who can we get? Just give the keys to Stu.
Yeah, lock up, lock up. She switch the blood lights off.
All right, George. But there we go.
Manager, guys. Managers.
Oh, it was that like, like we said, though.
(54:27):
Yeah, you can take it off now, may I say?
Yeah, Watch the steam come out, everyone.
Oh jeez. It does look a bit now you've
got it on there and now does look a bit like a kind of Kwik
Fit boiler suit, doesn't it? You know, like when you're
changing the tyres. This is where I insert a Kwik
Fit advert. I look like the manager up top
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that's having like a one to one with you in the polo shirt.
Like come in Jones, you take a seat.
Yeah, he's not fitted enough tyres today.
Yeah, our first start of a a bitof a new new series of episodes
because definitely need to needed to talk about the
gaffers, didn't we? Yeah, yeah, we did.
But how good was the computer game episode last week?
(55:17):
I mean. This is that's probably we're
going to be our highest rated episode when it's all said and
done. Like, the fact that we had to
read out 31 comments is incredible, guys.
Like, thank you for, you know, giving me absolute cottonmouth
after the end of the episode. Yeah.
But I think we were, we were inundated with, like, memories
(55:39):
and still are getting stuff now.And the fact that we're seeing
clips of like, because we got a message from Taylor Monk, who's
our competition winner, and he just put thanks, guys, like
falling down a rabbit hole, buying so much more merchandise
convented and Taylor as awesome.Like, I love it.
Cubic. Oh, Speaking of that, I've got
another copy of A Road to World Cup, a Japanese edition.
(56:05):
Do you know the one with the flames?
Yes. Yeah, bought that off eBay for
$10.00 so that should be arriving soon.
Oh. Have you bought anything else
recently? Yeah, bought this today for
$2.00. It's a World Cup 1990.
Australian fans were both at SBSTelevision guide with this crazy
guy on the front. So yeah, just bought this today.
(56:27):
Only know they're looking at it yet.
Over there. Tapes, top quality.
This is great. It's got some Formula One in
there as well. Oh excellent.
Yeah, what have you got, mate? I've got these ready but you've
probably seen them. My socialism.
I did post it on our page I think mate but fridge magnet.
Oh yes, have we worked out why they're different?
(56:51):
Well, yeah, I think because these were collectibles and
these also were mail order at the back.
If you can see, they were in chronological order, and that's
something not chronological. They were in alphabetical order.
So they were like this and some of you actually mentioned that
(57:12):
they actually proudly sat on your fridge.
So awesome. Are they going to stay in the
box? They're going to stay in the box
mate, and yesterday I attended the retro football fair and I
bought a 91 to 93 Hold em athletic.
That's beautiful. So yeah, big shout out to
(57:36):
Football Finery for that incredible purchase.
But yeah, I mean, badge adds to my 92 collection of the Premier
League and then you've got the Classic.
Are you going to get some Premier League, Premier League
badges on that eventually? Yeah.
Do you know what I might do? Because this, you said correctly
that this was the shirt they added Bovis to, wasn't it?
(57:57):
I was. Going to say can you get that
added as well? I'm sure this day and age you
can have that added. Add some Bovis.
Yeah, imagine if I added Hovis instead and I bought this Bube.
So the Mitre Ultimax Premier League, which I think's used,
(58:18):
was this the 98 season maybe I'mtrying to.
This is a plea though to listeners and to you Jonesy.
Actually, I'm saying a task. I want to know when this ball
was used. I want to know if there are any
games it was used in. Because there's probably so many
ball collectors, there's a couple of massive ball
collectors on insta we could probably reach out to or so when
(58:40):
I come and reach out. So do you ever know guys or
attack us in? I want to know who used this and
in what games in the 90s PremierLeague because I know it was
used in the FA Cup maybe, but I'm certain this was used.
So please, I'm sure. We'll be, yeah.
And let us know. Yeah, excellent.
So 27 Jamesy. That's it.
(59:02):
Yeah. Just so I just picked this up as
well. Like that.
Oh, yeah. Sorry.
Yeah. Can you zoom in?
Who's on the front cover? Alan Shearer, Andy Cole, Stan
Collymore, Union cleans. But look at her strike is it's
a, it's a striker. Yeah, should have had that for
our striker episode, James. Yeah, I know.
Damn it. Yeah.
Superstars. Yeah.
(59:24):
Nah. Real.
We enjoyed this one, right? Yeah.
Episode 27 the Do we talk to our90s listeners about the future
and the game going or do we keepit separate and not offend on
the style? Come up, come up with the
journey. Follow us.
Give us a follow if you want to hear if you want to hear 2 mates
(59:46):
talking about modern day football and bury in the hatchet
with Guzman, Dembele winning Balandor and other absolute
nonsense going on in the PremierLeague.
What happened? There you go.
There we go. How's the game?
Gone how's the game got? I'll tell you what, we're on
Episode 2 and it's it's we had, I've had a few messages, right,
people, people are enjoying it. I just think people want to hear
(01:00:10):
it as well. We're not doing anything with
the 90s Premier League podcast guys.
That's here to stay. Yeah, absolutely.
But this is just a yeah, little 30 minute, 35 minute episode
where each week we just, you know, talk about what's what's
gone wrong, what was going wrongwith the modern game.
So if there's anything you want us to talk about on those pod,
they they're shorter bursts of podcasts, aren't they?
(01:00:34):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of a lot ofBundesliga Jonesy's into the.
Lot of the German football. Yeah, we last week's episode was
great. I mean.
Yeah, I like that one. Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah. So how's the game gone?
It's on Apple, Spotify, so it's for obviously you can watch it
on Spotify as well. So yeah, just like subscribe,
(01:00:57):
watch him and enjoy. Absolutely.
After you've, you know, had your90s.
I'm into the 2020 fives. But we, yeah, we'd like, we're
not forcing you to spend hours watching us or listening to our
voices, but. Let's go back to the 90s.
Here we go, We're back to the 90s.
Now, yeah, there we go. That was a quick, quick little
flick into the future. Yeah.
(01:01:18):
So, yeah, absolutely. Where are you anyway?
You're on the. Where am I Yeah, Instagram only
guys love the support and the following.
Thank you ever so much Woody W 1988 and obviously that Premier
League podcast on Instagram. Jonesy, what about you mate?
Just the football dot Jonesy, just on the.
(01:01:42):
Pitting some high scores with this catalog material.
I am nearly up to 10,000 followers.
I know, but there's a couple of posts you've had which are in
the thousands of likes. Yeah.
What is it with these catalog nerds?
Mate, I'll just sit, I'll just go through I kind of bundle.
Them Have you got paper cuts from all these Argos catalogues
you've been going through? Mate, I've got a bundle of mags
(01:02:04):
I'm still going to go through. I just find adverts and stuff
like that and I'm like, oh, tellyou what the good ones are, are
the shoot, if you've got any AT shoot ones and stuff and edge
like those Patrick ads are found.
I might have to do some digging,you know, because I, I do look
through my match magazines and Isee some stuff and I kind of
think, oh God, that's such a trip down memory lane.
And you do capture the nation's hearts, Jonesy, with your posts.
(01:02:28):
And I think people are loving it, aren't they?
I read some of your quotes from like the Argos ones.
And I had that backpack, I had that, I had that.
I love it. It's wicked.
I find out that that the ones like the Quasar boots, yeah, I
had these. I had these when I was a kid.
I was bullied. Oh, no.
But yeah, I suppose it does haveits downfalls.
(01:02:49):
But like, I can just be like pictures of some of the Patrick
boots and stuff. I'm like, I can feel the pain in
wearing the boot. Like even looking at the picture
it's like. I know I had some Deer, Doris
and yeah, Patrick goal the high tech.
Never mind over the days. Keep it coming, Jonesy.
(01:03:10):
Yeah, will do. All right, Cool.
I think that says done mate. Yeah, episode 27.
Thanks for listening, watching. I've been liking and everything
in between. Yeah, and we'll see you on the
next one. Cheers guys.
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