August 18, 2025 • 57 mins
This week Woody and Jonesy welcome Matthew Ketchell, the deputy editor of Four Four Two Magazine. As we delve into the nostalgia of 90s football, particularly focusing on Newcastle United's rise in the Premier League and the impact of Kevin Keegan. We explore the evolution of football kits, memorable moments in football history, and the behind-the-scenes workings of Four Four Two Magazine. Matthew shares insights into his journey in football journalism, the passion for collecting football memorabilia, and the future of football journalism in a digital age.
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(00:12):
Hello and welcome to episode 21 of that 90s Premier League
podcast, Woody. Hello mate.
What? Are you recording mate?
What are you reading well? Do you know what?
We have a special guest today. I'm reading the legendary 442
magazine. Great cover in that.
Absolutely. So today we've got a guest who
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knows the beautiful game inside and out.
It's Matthew Kettrel, deputy editor of 442 magazine for you,
a podcaster, presenter, journalist, kick collector.
What else are you? Everything.
Play the drums. Hey, me too, lovely.
Drummer. That's about it, Father.
Now. Just not just.
Congratulations. Yeah.
(00:54):
How's it going? Yeah, it's going.
He's doing everything a baby should, should be doing.
It's been interesting. He was born, he was born the
night of the Europa League final.
So it was a we did have that on briefly in the delivery room and
it didn't do anything to lightenthe mood.
Yeah, because they taught them well.
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Yeah. So welcome, Matt.
Thank you ever for comment on me.
We have been pestering you for some time.
So thanks for sparing us a few minutes today to go through the
pod. We want to just dive in and talk
about everything glorious about Newcastle in the 90's, the 442
magazine, your obsession with the 90s, because I'm sure you've
(01:37):
got plenty of memories and things you want to kind of
relive. So yeah, let's just get
cracking. I mean, I'm sure you've seen or
heard of the kind of episodes ofthe pod previously, so it's
great to have you on as a guest.Jonesy, do you want to kind of
get us kicking off, mate? Oh mate, where do we start?
Where do we start? I know that four.
(01:58):
I know. Woody, that 442 magazine you
were just holding up? Yeah, that takes me back far
out. Yeah, I'll hold up again just
for you to. Go through it.
I actually thought that was fromthe 90s when you was we were
starting reading that. The images, The images, Yeah,
yeah. The, the season, the issue of
442 before the season preview. And it's Liam and Noel Gallagher
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in the Umbro brother shirts, Knowles in the home shirt and in
the away shirt from it was takenin 1994 by Kevin Cummings,
legendary music photographer, close friend of the Gallagher's,
particularly Noel. Apparently he's in a football
WhatsApp group with Noel Gallagher, Man City away games
together. Kevin's got an excellent book
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out at the minute. And we we approached him this
summer ahead of the the Oasis tour and he was interested in it
being featured in the airport. And we said, well, let's put it
on the cover. You know, if you give me some
permission to use these amazing images and the book's called
Oasis, the Master Plan. It's a brilliant coffee table
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book. I got one for my birthday in
June. And Kevin had these amazing.
He was just, he spent basically a day at Main Road with with
Liam and Noel in May 4 and it was one of them I think.
I think the kickbacks or the thenewer of the stand was literally
being built and they just walkedinto Main Road.
No, no one said anything they just walked in.
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Liam had bought a full Man City kid from the club shop and he
had the shorts on underneath histrousers and they were just
doing pictures in and around Main Rd.
Is that one of the famous picture is from them?
Because there is that iconic image of them both in the Man
City shirts with like a kind of down an alleyway.
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Is that Kevin's work or? I have to, I have to look at the
book and I think that would be in one of the I would guess that
would be in a side street off the road or I think it's
certainly in Manchester. It was happened that day because
they've got the pictures of themin the stadium in the shirts.
The whole band are there as well.
Yeah, brilliant. And, and yeah, just, but he sent
us the full sort of menu of, of,of shot.
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And there was also some some also some shit some shots of
them, I think in a gig in in London where Liam's wearing like
an away shirt from the like a retro 1970s like toffs type.
The red and black. Yeah, the old 7.
Expressed on I think he did it. He's doing a gig in it, the mic.
So, yeah, so we asked Kevin to to use those pictures and we and
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we wrote the story of Oasis's relationship with football,
which. Is brilliant.
Amazing. Yeah, really enjoyed the
article. People like Stuart Pearce, who
went to Knebworth in a stretch limo with Scott and and some of
the Man City players, Sean Taisha, Yeah.
And just got loads of until I'm a big Oasis after Newcastle
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Oasis would be my specialist subject on Mastermind and I
thought I'd heard it all for loads.
All these stories in the future were were brand new to me.
Our editor James Andrew, who me and him are probably neck and
neck in terms of Oasis Oasis fanfandom.
He wrote the feature, done a great job.
And we just wanted loads of untold football stories about
Oasis because it they really, they really you football was,
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you know, this Premier League kicked off as in 199293.
That was when Oasis, you know, got together in 9293 and then
they reached the mainstream whenthe Premier League reached
reached the mainstream really. And they just sort of followed
each other and city were gone. City were going that way and
Oasis were going that way, whichmade it more of an interesting,
an interesting tale. So it's a really good one.
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You can still get it if you go on 442's website.
You can buy back issues and if you're an Oasis fan and if we
will find you didn't get that one, then I do encourage you.
I will definitely be getting that one.
I think as well on the on the back of that, Matt, I mean, you
mentioned about Oasis starting in the 90's, the Premier League
kicking off in the 90s. We all know it was an incredible
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era to be part of in terms of the kind of meteoric rise of the
Premier League and music in general.
What were your kind of first memories of being a Newcastle
fan? Because obviously Newcastle won
at the start of the Premier League, but they made one hell
of an impact when they got there.
Yeah, well I I started to get into football around about the
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time Newcastle went on an 11 game unbeaten run at the start
of 92.3. The Keegan, you know, light in
the blue touch paper to James Park literally coincided with me
probably getting my first ever football magazine, which would
have been much. We had Dean Saunders in a
Liverpool kit on the front. That was my introduction to
football. Yeah.
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So it took me about a year to get him.
My dad wasn't a massive footballfan, but he was just very
encouraging of our interest as kids.
Yeah, we got the Newcastle went on this amazing Division One
run. This was the first year of the
Premier League, Newcastle in Division One.
Keegan had taken over in the February of 92.
By March 93 I was sort of ready for my first game and I went to
Newcastle, Brentford, St James'sPark.
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We won five one Rob Lee scored from the halfway line and it was
disallowed incorrectly for half time FF offside.
And I know the only two memoriesI have of the of the game are
Kevin Scott scoring an own goal with a diving header and the
smell of the brewery out of the back.
New Classical Breweries was literally out the back of Saint
James's bark at the time. Is that where the the Brown Ale
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brewery is? Not anymore.
They're brown hills brewed and Tadcaster I believe so the much
the mystique. I think it moved to Gateshead
briefly right in Tadcaster and funnily enough and another in a
former job before I got into football gym as well.
Worked at a lifestyle magazine writing about all sorts and they
were filming a a brown ale advert and in Gateshead across
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the river from our office and myeditor went go across there and
get a story and I was on set at this brown ale Advent.
I got a hold of the person who was in charge and it was a Dutch
guy and the brown ale officers are in the Chrysler Building in
New York now. It's huge in America.
You ever got Newcastle, you're going to America.
Brown ale is huge in Newcastle. So it's really gone left the
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region a long time ago and it's it's it does all its business in
in America. Yeah, that's a that's a side
note. So, yeah, the the Kevin Scott
diving header in the smell of the breweries were my takeaways
from that. And Chris Hewton played for
Brentford. It would go on to in Newcastle,
yeah, it was it was just a brilliant era.
It was incredibly exciting that that that time under Keegan.
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No, I can imagine. Say what?
Before we said, obviously being in Australia, I've never seen
this for sale. And then I went to a shop today
and it's the first time I've seen a Newcastle brown ale and
it's actually made because I've got the story about Rex and
lager got released in Australia.Obviously I'm originally from
Wales. I was like cool drinking it,
read the back. It's made in Sydney, they just
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bought. The licence, yeah.
So this is actually the real stuff.
So yeah. It gets a bad red brown L, but
it's not a bad drop. No, I like it, yeah.
Yeah, I say in terms of the you say, you say, you say you had
sort of vague memories of the kind of 93 kind of era.
What was the kind of first kind of season for you?
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They really kind of like switched on and you were like,
Oh my God, this is incredible. So it was the season from the
shirts that you allowed to wear.And so, yeah, we've got Jonesy
and Woody here in the whole Massac shirt.
The, the. We forgot, we forgot the what
we're wearing. You can you can do.
The we're all. Here the seat, my first season,
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my sort of first season where I was like fully into it was Nike
9394. So Newcastle came up in the
Premier League, Kevin Keegan said on day one of the Premier
League. We're recording this on the eve
of the new Premier League season, on day one of the
Premier League as a newly promoted manager, he said, Alex
Ferguson, we're coming for your title on television, on screen
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on Football Focus that morning, he said, we're coming to tell
and we lost one nil at home Spurs.
But that was the season where the kits that we're all wearing,
I'm wearing the the goalkeeper shirt.
Yeah. Well, they had four goalkeeper
shirts that season, all amazing,just outrageous.
Peak 1990s ASICS or R6, depending on where you're from.
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And the whole shirt was, was, was beautiful.
It had also the year of sponsors.
It had the star and eventually had the star on the front and it
had Mcewan's Law going in right in for a bit.
So and then the Saint James Parkwas sort of being renovated and
the kids look fantastic. And it was one of them where
opening day of the season, everyone's in the kit, the
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entire stadiums bathed in black and white.
Yeah. We struggled to get going that
season, lost to, lost to Tottenham and Drew, lost or drew
a Coventry, got a point at Old Trafford and then got going and
then eventually finished third in the league as a newly
promoted team. And well, I can remember Rob Lee
that year though, he was scoringlike left, right and centre and
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he had an incredible year, didn't he?
It was it was Beardsley and callthat season to be fair.
Honestly, I'd have to look Andy Cole got Andy Cole got I think a
42 goals in all comps in the eraof in the era of 42 games in a
premier Premier League season. And beards, beards, beards must
have got in the 20s. They both were on fire.
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And then and then Rob Lee was was he reached his peak probably
95, but he was probably my my early one of my early favourite
players. And, and it was, it was just,
you know, I've been lucky enoughthrough work to have various
projects that I've done to speakto a lot of players who were
involved in this era. And it was just so it was just
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such a simple era. It was 5A size and had tennis
during the week. And Keegan's team talk was
you're you're better than them go.
These fans have have worked all week and they're paying the
money to the highlight of the week is watching you go in and
go and entertain them. It was so simple.
It was running through a brick wall stuff and it when you just
worked. And he galvanised the whole city
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being A1 club city. When the club, when the club are
winning, the city's bouncing when they're losing, everyone's
on a downer. And he just totally galvanised
the whole area, got the whole area.
Everyone loved him, kids, grannies, yeah pets, loved
Keegan. It was just he just absolutely
had. He had Newcastle and the
surrounding area in the Palmers hand.
You could honestly feel it though.
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You could. And I think everybody that
wasn't a Newcastle fan was kind of a secret Newcastle fan at
that time because one, the way they played football was very
entertaining, very attacking. They had great characters in the
squad. I think everybody loved Kevin
Keegan just for how he spoke. I mean that I would love it if
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we beat them. Quote is used every year in any
kind of context with regards to a football interview.
Yeah. So I can imagine then.
So we were you a season ticket holder then?
Sorry, from 93? Or were you just a frequent
goer? So this is the interest, this is
the interesting thing and this gives a flavour of how how it
was sort of it was Beatle mania with Newcastle players and you
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get at the time. So the stadium probably held
30,000 and they renovated and got it up about 36.
You could not get in to the right of the stadium.
I think my uncle, my uncle Ray had a had a had a ticket and he
used to say to me, you can come one, you can come once a season,
pick a game. So he's a pick Man United.
I quite like Mark Bosnia. So I used to pick Villa
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sometimes I picked Man United. I picked my United the year we
lost one nil in March and the title sort of flipped.
I lost, I picked that game but you couldn't get in to the
stadium. So what what you used to do is
the local Odeon would do a live beam back, the cinema would do a
live of the game. So my dad, my dad would come
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home and go. I've got tickets for the Odeon
and it was like I'd won the lottery.
It was like I'm going to the cinema to watch the game.
She'd be on the metro, be on themetro with the other supporters
who were going to the stadium. But I was absolutely buzzing
because we were still going to watch the game.
Oh. I love that.
In there, watch that's very goodpacked.
And it was, if I remember rightly, there was a good
atmosphere, songs and stuff and like I remember being in there
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for some. I remember being in there when
when Andy called broke Huey Gallagher scoring record, yeah,
scored. It was a night time game against
Aston Villa. I'm being in there for that man
being in there for a random Sheffield United away game.
And it was just that if you've got tickets to see the beam back
you would you were buzzing. So to get in the stadium was
just Holy Grail. You couldn't get in there.
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When they put over 36,000 there was like another 20,000 on the
waiting list. So you couldn't, you could not
get in. You could Then the lat, the time
I went after the Brentford game was like Bristol City, like 2 of
the League Cup second round or whatever.
Like maybe, maybe 18 months later you couldn't get in and it
wasn't until they extended the stadium up to 52,000 and 2000
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that I got a season ticket. So I've had a season ticket
since then. So before then it was just
scrambling around trying to get the game.
We managed, we managed. It was a lot.
It was. It did get easier when when
Dagnish came in and dismantled the team, not as many people
wanted to go. Yeah.
That was AI. Think we spoke about that era,
don't we? Yeah, that's Army, yeah.
Rushed John Barnes era. Yeah, it was.
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No, no, no Jones, have you got any questions mate?
Sorry I've I've fired on with a bit of Newcastle early days.
Is there anything on your list? Oh, just obviously the kids.
Yeah. Kid Collector.
Yeah. Keeper, man, keeper.
Yeah, so it was a goalkeeper. So as a goalkeeper.
So what did the thing where, youknow, I probably had all these
kits when I was a kid in a junior size, got rid of them.
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And then really during lockdown,just a bit of boredom crept in.
I was like, I've got I. Think that happened for
everyone? Yeah, I got it.
I. Think that's how they kick
community started What he wasn'tit.
That's how we all joined up. I was saying before the court,
I've got all my shirts above. I've been speaking from my
office. I've got all my shirts hung up
like almost hanging from the ceiling here and and I just sort
of had to have all the, the, theASICS Newcastle ball keeper
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kits. Yeah.
And then I'm a big Adidas head as well.
So I've got a lot of a lot of Adidas.
But the 90's, the 90s kit. I've got a great story actually.
Maybe I could tell you this, tell you this story.
What are you? Are you chef Wed farm?
Yeah. Yeah there's a chef Wed element
to this song add to this shirt join me to join me pull it down.
This is my when I get talking about shirts.
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This is the story I try out so I'll.
So I'll go back to your shirt collecting question.
Originally I got into it after lockdown and during lockdown I
was working for BBC Match of theDay magazine and got made
redundant unfortunately during lockdown.
So moved back up to the northeast, was living in London
and got a job at the Chronicle on the football desk at the
Chronicle and I'd had a bill by now.
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Built a bit of a reputation as ashare collection.
I started writing some shit articles for the Chronicle,
among other other news stories that I would do.
And I also did a podcast about the history of Newcastle United
from day one to to 2022 called Chronicled.
So I had a bit of a reputation as a shirt collector.
And I got a very random e-mail one day and very poorly
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formatted, written by, I think by an elderly person.
You could say no punctuation. And it was it was along the
lines of hello, I've got a Newcastle shirt.
Do you want it? And I was like, OK, so always,
I'm always interested in shirts.I was OK.
What? What do you, what do you, what
shirt is it? And he's sort of basically a bit
of back and forth. He was from Sheffield and he
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knew Sheffield United. Sheffield Wednesday kit man
called Alan Smith at the time. Yeah, 1990.
Yeah, he said. He said.
I was friends with Alan Smith. My son wasn't well and we
played, they played Newcastle in1990.
Bearing in mind I'm a huge Newcastle fan.
My first hero was Pablo Cerna. Check.
And he said I've got Pablo Cernacheques shirt from the game.
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So I went hang on a second and I've gone back and he's made his
debut for Newcastle against Sheffield Wednesday on April the
1st, 1990. And I'm like, is this guy
offering me Pavel Cernyczak's debut Newcastle shirt?
So I'm like, I'm like saying to my wife, if this guy's got the
shit, I'm driving to Yorkshire tonight.
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So again, so basically he got Puffs shirt.
He said he got Puffs shirt Alan Smith, this kit man sorted it
out for him. My son wasn't well.
He says, oh, I just want to sellit now.
I wonder. I do not want to know how it's
worth, how much it's worth. There's no pictures or anything.
Sure, yeah. So.
So he sends me a picture of the shirt in a frame and this, this
is the shirt, right? Oh.
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Wow. God.
So it's to describe it to you. Your audio list?
Yeah, please. Umbro.
It's an Umbro template goalkeeper shirt from the 90s in
a colour that I've never seen with green holes on the front.
It's same. I've never seen that one before.
And I've never, I've never seen.I've seen it in green and
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yellow, I've never seen it in blue before.
So I've I've seen the template but I've never seen the colours
before. Yeah, I've got an Umbro template
from when Wednesday had that in 1990, which is a beautiful
template though, isn't it? Yeah.
But here's the thing. Here's the thing.
So I'm now looking for footage of the game, right?
And Pab's wearing the green 10. I've got the blue 1.
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So I'm like, what's going on here?
So he sent me some more picturesand it's got 16 signatures on
the entire 16 from the night. And you cost the bench on the
first team. And I think what's happened is.
And bearing in mind you couldn'teven buy replica shirts.
Yeah, this not not to mention goalkeeper shirts.
Yeah. And I don't.
And I've never seen a picture ofanyone went in the blue.
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Yeah. Though I think what's happened
is he's give him a spare or a training shirt and got it signed
by the team that night. Yeah.
And give him that. So it's not this, it's not
perhaps debut shirt. But I was like, I've still, I've
still got to. I've got to get.
Incredible. Yeah, that is absolutely
incredible. But for a couple of days I was
like. Have I Have I accidentally found
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Pablo Stone cheques debut? But it's still a great shirt and
I quite like the guy. The guy.
Got a programme here for Woody? Look, Woody.
Yeah, yeah, I'm actually gettinga chef for Wednesday.
Goalkeeper shirt printed with Pablo Sailor check at the
moment. Yeah, great keeper.
How many? How many games did you play for
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Wednesday? All seasons.
Yeah, it was a couple of seasons.
I mean it was the 90, 799 year, I think, yeah, great goalkeeper.
But yeah, obviously done of us for Newcastle.
So if well on that subject Matt,I mean, so your favourite
players of the 90s, you being a goalkeeper.
It was it Pavel, say the Czech in terms of it.
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Would be Pav and it would be Shay Given.
Oh. Shay Given.
So that so Pav Robly, yeah. And Shay Given and and
obviously, I mean Alan Sheer, I mean, as AI was 11 years old, I
was I was I turned 11 the day England beat Scotland in Euro 96
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and Gaza dog head Colin Henry into the Wembley that and then
Sheer a finished top scorer and then signs for your club and and
you're 11 years old and you've signed the Golden Boot winner
who's a Geordie. And it's and it's the final.
We've just missed out on the league and this is the final
piece in the puzzle and you think you're going to win
everything. Did he literally look at the TV
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and point at you and go happy birthday man, time for your
club? So that summer was so Shira
Shira, Rob Lee and Pav and Shay Given.
So I grew up watching a lot of games at Elm Park for Red in mid
90s and I was a big fan of ShakaHislop.
So obviously when he goes to Newcastle that's a huge move for
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him. Did he have much of an impact?
I know he was a big fan favourite, he was a great
goalkeeper, but was he as prolific as Soda Check in your
eyes or? The funny thing, The funny thing
with Cerner check is Keegan never really rated him.
That was the big thing. There was a thing and Pavo used
to talk about this. Keegan never really fully
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trusted him. And Keegan, which was trying, if
you think he got him, he broughtin Mike Hooper, you might
remember. Oh yeah.
Yeah, Liverpool, Yeah. So Keegan would try things.
And I think that was Keegan's way of trying to just move it
on. And Shaka was Shaka struggled
with injuries. Actually, he would, he got
injured, I think he got injured just as he arrived.
And then he he when he would getand see, he would, he would pick
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up and he was, he was one of them to pick up injuries at the
wrong time. And then Steve Harper was coming
through. So Steve Harper would had been
had been at the club since the early 90s and.
Right servant at the. Club, he was coming through and
then Keegan left and Doug Leash brought in his own goalkeeper
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coach Terry Genowa, who'd been aBlackburn, and you knew of the
talent of Shay Given. So so he was advised to buy Shay
Given. So at one point we had Shay
Shaka. There's a great picture actually
of Shay Shaka, Steve Harper and Pav all all trained in a
preseason. You're like, that's, that's too
many. That's been quite a bit greedy.
Yeah, yes. So Shaka, Shaka, they both,
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they're both soon, sort of soon went after that.
And Shay and Shay and Hops were then there for 10 years
basically. I think my memory of shagging
his hop is that that keeper shirt behind me, he oversized.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was almost.
Like he made it his own. Yeah, it's almost like he didn't
have shorts at one point, wasn'tit?
Yeah, I'd loved another size on it.
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Yeah, so favourite kind of Did you purchase a kit every season
or was that a luxury as a kid? Were you a kit fan, full kit
shorts and stocks or why? Would I?
Yeah, it would have been full goalkeeper kit because I've just
played so much football. So it would have been full, full
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goalkeeper kit. And then the shirts, the shirt
thing sort of went away, went away from me for a bit and
didn't help. The Newcastle went from the IDs
to Puma. That was very uninspiring, 15
long years. Then Castor came in.
It was even worse. Was that how long you had been
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before? We had them from 2011 to maybe
10 years, maybe 10. That's their punishment.
They had one or two interesting things, but never so it was, it
wasn't really like I say came, I'm just looking up at the kids
now. It really sort of came came to
me during during lockdown. Again, just the nostalgia.
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Come on, you've got you showed us before we started recording.
You've got your own JJB picker. Yeah, we want to see some of the
shirts, don't we, Jonesy? Absolutely.
We wouldn't be here otherwise. Let me to this.
You'll have to bear with me while I do this, so right, here
we go. All right, back in the room.
Here we go. I've.
Got a four? Yeah, not Newcastle.
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Oh, hello. Long sleeves Maldini.
Maldini Italia. It's 96 Italy.
Just yeah, I'm a long sleeves guy.
It has to be long sleeves. Yeah, yeah.
Is that the keeper in you that likes long sleeves Matt?
Or do you just like long sleeve shirts?
I. Think it looks better.
I just think it looks, yeah, better.
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I'm really young than this, I think.
I think this is the best kit in the world ever.
Oh yes. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 596
Newcastle away. Yeah, is that long sleeve?
As well. Long sleeve, yeah.
Oh, oh, that is ridiculous. I do think, I think that is it.
That's the best for me. Yeah, People go Germany 1990
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Denmark, I just put. Janola on the back as well.
Did you like obviously they theybrought like a a tribute to that
one didn't a few years ago? Was it last year or last season?
Yeah. Yeah.
What did you think of that one it?
Was OK, The shorts needed to be the shorts needed to be white.
I'm very yeah, They try to do the shorter Navy.
They did play in the short and white, but yeah, it's nice,
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really nice. Navy.
Yeah, yeah, they did play in white.
Yeah, that was always good aboutit.
But I was saying I think I'd have done a great job with with
the and they actually just reissued the brown Ale Grande
neck collar, which is. Oh yeah.
No, I really am enjoying. The current third shirt is a
(26:28):
throwback to our 1998 Away shirt, orange and Navy.
Is so is there a shirt that's that's eluded you so far from
the 90s? Is that one you're on the hunt
for? And maybe maybe that one in long
sleeves because I like to go long sleeves, so maybe, maybe
that one in long sleeves. And the funnily enough, the
(26:50):
Jonesy, the kit you've got behind you, the the Shaka kit,
if you like the purple. Yeah, yeah, I kind of I kind of
miss in the blue version about the home version, that which I
had in I had as a kid, obviouslygot rid of it.
So I'm sort of, that's a bit of a gap in my yeah, I need to.
I had, I had that one behind me and obviously I was a Liverpool
fan. I am a Liverpool fan.
(27:10):
What do you think? I'm a Blackburn fan.
I had that shirt as a kid in Liverpool.
Yeah, I remember. Having that, yeah.
I worked for primary school and I got it caught on a on the
fence. Oh no, I was little pulls.
Broke my heart. I've got, I've got, I've got two
more shirts for you. Yeah.
(27:31):
So this is a This is a much issue.
Oh, Oh, no way. Can I have a close up on that
please Matt? Show me the badge on the sleeve
look. Most episodes.
A lot of groaning in this in this episode.
Oh boy. Double XL.
(27:52):
Tino Double XL. Was he a big lad?
A sprayer was he? Talking to Buggy, you just liked
it Buggy. Just a baggy I remember.
He'd look at that. Game against Barcelona.
And it was that was on that one.I managed to get in for that
one. Wow, I was in.
I was in the 2nd row of the Gallagher ending where we
scored. I.
Remember watching that game, I was watching that game on.
(28:13):
It was just, yeah. He just seemed to hang in the
air for the headers. It was just night.
Magical night. He had a hell of a spring,
didn't they? Yeah.
So the last the last shirt is actually a shit I designed for
the 30th anniversary of 442. We designed our own 442 shirt by
Admiral. You know what, I've got a story
about that man. I was on, Admiral sent me an
(28:34):
e-mail today of like 10% off or something and I was looking and
I was looking at that. Go on, get involved.
Yes, there's not many of them. There's not a lot.
Only we only made a hundred of them.
So get involved. It's amazing.
It came out. So we was 442, was 30 in.
Yeah, yeah. So we had a big party, a classic
football shirts and Admiral willlike come up to altering him and
(28:57):
we'll design a shirt. So me and Anne the art director,
fellow Geordie went up and did abespoke badge for us in the 442.
Because you've got, you've got some on the back of their number
on the back, isn't it? So 94 was the year we.
Yes, that's the one. Yes, we're.
Going to get that Woody yeah Wolf was formed in 94 thinking
(29:17):
for the 94 World Cup thinking that England would would make it
and have a go at winning it but it didn't and they just did the
magazine anyway we. Talked about that before you
recorded, didn't we, Woody? With our Tel, our Tel on the
front of the first copy, Yeah. What I used to love about 442
is, yeah, it was obviously matchand shoot, yeah, kids or adults,
(29:39):
you know, but young Jonesy getting the 442 with Big Ron's
face because it used to be a lotof issues with like their faces
right up to. Again, I remember that, yeah.
Keegan was on at the Big Ron, like yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it was it was almost like coming back from the newsagents
as a kid with the shoot and match magazines you felt with
being a kid. But if you had 442 under your
(29:59):
arm with a pack of sweet, you felt like a distinguished
gentleman, didn't you? You're like, yeah, I've moved on
now. Just just on that, I've got a
good, a good, quite a good 90s nineties story because obviously
we're through all the archive. Yeah, we had a big party at
Classic Football Shirts and going through the archive and
really just digging into this nostalgia in our office in
(30:21):
London. We've got all the obviously all
the copies behind this and there's been some been some
Belter covers over the years. But we were we brought a few of
our favourite features out and did like a little special look
back. And what one feature that was in
the very first issue of 442 is called the boys a bit special,
which is just looked at up and coming young players.
(30:43):
So I thought it'd be quite good for us to go interview those
those guys again. So we had, we had Peter, Peter
and Love and Nicky Sommerby, Jason Mcateer and Darren Edie
and and we managed to get back and Robbie and Robbie Elliott,
we managed to get back in touch with them and Robbie Elliott,
(31:03):
obviously Newcastle fan, yeah, kind of became friends with
Robbie Elliott and he came to the came to the do classic
football shirts. He fully flew in from LA.
Wow in. LA now and he came to he came to
the party to be fair, I like to think, oh, he's coming for you
harder that you have some meetings set up in London
because he works in them works in sort of sports science, sort
(31:27):
of sports science around. He's very clever, clever guy did
it did a degree after football and he's involved in that and
lives in lives in Los Angeles. But he came to the he came to
the party and we had we had PaulMerson and Ray Paula came and
did a little QA with our fans. So yeah, it was, it was a it was
a great evening. Jules Breach, who writes a
(31:48):
column for 442. Yeah.
And she came and hosted it and it was in classic shirts.
And we curated the whole shop in90s.
I, I remember seeing the pictures and the videos with
Merson and Parlour with Arsenal shirts and I mean, I look like
an incredible event, but yeah, amazing.
But I mentioned, I mentioned that we I might have a little
exclusive, a little exclusive for you.
So. Yeah, yeah.
(32:09):
The feature boys are bit special, which just looks at
look it just looked at young players of that of the time.
We have every issue. I think we're going to we're
going to try and bring it back. So we're working on bringing
that back. So 100%, yeah.
We've been against researching for this.
I've got some names from from the 90s.
So these are young players that we that we pulled to go.
(32:30):
These are the these are the boysa bit special, so.
We mentioned that though, Jones,didn't we in the Merlin episode
that we did so within a section of the Merlin sticker album.
There was like a one the watch wasn't there, Yeah, though, like
then that the players you've named though, Matt, like they've
all had great Premier League careers or football in careers
(32:50):
in, in football. So it wasn't like any of those
names kind of dropped by the wayside.
They had great careers, didn't they?
I could test you. I could test your knowledge here
with some names. See if the.
See if you know if you. Know yeah, do it.
So obviously we had the big hitters there and Love Robbie
Elliott, Darren, Ed. Yeah.
So Sasha, throw some names, random names at you.
(33:10):
Please do. Andy Orford, Have you heard him?
Oh. Andy Orford?
No. Oh, no.
Yeah, it rings a bell. Yeah, now go on.
I've got a big hitters on this call as well.
So if if this is Gary Haylock. Oh, I've heard of Gary Haylock.
(33:31):
Yeah, OK. Could you name a Gary Haylock
club? Or am I getting mixed up with
Kevin Hurlock? I don't know.
Oh God. I've got an easier one for you.
You should be able to get this Danny Granville.
Yeah, Danny Granville. He.
(33:51):
Had to play. Didn't he play at Birmingham
later on in the career? Yeah, yeah.
No. December 1997.
Yeah, always a professional. Danny Granville and Gus Hurdle.
Gus Hurdle No, no. Some some amazing ones.
I've got some some better ones here.
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Paolo Venaza. Paolo Venaza, yeah.
Great name, just a great. Arsenal.
Paolo Venaza. Yeah, yeah.
We do could do a couple more. Peter Fear was a good one.
Oh, Wimbledon. Yeah, crazy guy Wimbledon.
Wow, done, remember. I remember having a sticker.
Yeah, and then let's have a go in late late 90s now, Marcus,
(34:39):
Big not. Yeah, Marcus, big not yes.
Oh, good one. Where did he end up?
This is the beauty of it, the godown the rabbit holes at
researching these guys. So we're going, we're going to
bring, I think we're going to doa feature and we're going to
bring, we're going to bring thisback and we're going to look
back at some of the names about the some of the names we pulled
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out. So can I take a quick little
segue to 442, Jonesy, can we do that?
Have you got any more questions on the two?
No, go for it. No.
So can I ask Matt if if you're OK to say in terms of your
layout for an issue of 442, thisOasis one, how long does it kind
(35:21):
of take to release an issue? Are we, are you planning this
months in advance? Do you know what's happening
schedule wise? Yeah.
Yes, no, let me think of an example.
So where, where are we now? So we've just had so obviously
the season preview issue, yeah, is the biggest seller of the
(35:43):
year for us. We speak to It's my.
Favourite. One and again, that's been going
since the 90s and we speak to fans and journalists from every
club and get it's really just sointeresting, isn't it?
You find out that you did a pulse read of every of every
club so that that went on sale. The deadline for that was the
9th of July and it went on sale on the 24th of July probably.
(36:06):
Need about weeks. Probably need about four weeks
to put that together. So that gives you so four weeks
from ahead of July the 9th for an issue that goes on July the
4th. So Can you imagine asking fans
and journalists to preview the season in the middle of June
when no one. 'S, yeah.
It's a great issue to read. It's horrendous to put together,
(36:28):
yeah. So do you have?
Like an idea of because I'm sureinterviewing ex footballers, our
managers or anyone associated, it's going to take some time to
get in contact, get the journalist out to see them and
plan all that kind of thing. Is that something that all
happens now like over teams and things like that or do they
(36:51):
actually go out and meet the guys?
How does that kind of work? So we're a small.
Team, there's about nine of us. We'll have, we've got, we've got
three or four people just work full time on the magazine.
Yeah, a couple of a couple on the website, couple on our
YouTube channel. And so this is 2 full time
writers on the magazine. They'll do a lot of interviews
and it probably will be mainly over over phone or via Zoom.
(37:13):
Occasionally we'll go in person.Like, I went in, I went in there
April to Liverpool and interviewed Duncan Ferguson for,
for and did readers questions with Duncan Ferguson.
So that's another legendary feature that's been going since
the first. Well, that's on my list, yeah.
One of the top features so Duncan had.
His book came out ghost written by Henry Winter and I was like
(37:34):
I'm all over this and they sent me a proof early and the 1st
chapter is him in in prison, which is he goes straight to
that. It's straight to the heart, the
hearts of brutal. Wow, so.
We did readers questions for. Duncan and I went, I'm going to
take this. I don't do a lot of, I don't do
a lot of write in and feature write in.
I've written a few cover features and done a few bigger
and I went, let me look after big Dunk obviously in Newcastle
(37:57):
90s. So, and it's a great one to do
because the readers do all the research for you.
The reader send you the questions and you just pick the
best ones out. So we went to Liverpool and went
met Duncan at the Titanic Hotel in Liverpool and normally I was
like, I need at least 45 minutes.
If you can do an hour, great. 2 1/2 hours with Dunk in the last
year. Oh.
(38:18):
So was. Such a nice a nice guy like of
gold guy honest as honest, so honest.
Ridiculous. Yeah, didn't anything It was
like the questions were 5050 tackles.
He was straight through every every one of them.
Just so I love that those big ones will do in person and we've
got a really great one coming upthe next another.
(38:40):
I'm coming at you and the more exclusive.
Yeah, we've got and Dan Belly onthe Osman.
Dan Belly on the front. Yeah.
Yeah. Ballogay has done the interview
with Dan Ballet. That was done over Zoom.
He was going to be in Paris, butit was done over Zoom.
Again, schedules for players. Is is is crazy.
Yeah. We get for there's a.
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Big section of the magazine thatI think your listeners will
appreciate called Players Lounge, where we interview ex
players. So it's, you know, a typical a
typical week in Players Lounge will be Glenn Hoddle, him and
Heriders and Tim Flowers, Paolo Sosa.
Like you just run. It's just that.
So those interviews, we get ahead of ourselves and we're
relying on freelancers come and going.
(39:23):
So it's brilliant. You get you you get like, you
know, you get like, yeah, do you?
I've got yarn, Moby, do you needyarn for the magazine?
So you go back, you go. Have we have we done yet?
This is half the battle. Have they been in the magazine
before? Like have they done it before?
So you've got. Yeah.
Because you don't want the same things.
Mentioned again and again. Do you?
We're at the point where. Certain players we're done with.
(39:45):
We've completed them. We've completed Ali Mccoist,
we've completed Jermaine Pennant, we've completed several
players. We've done everything in the
magazine. Ali Mccoist might as well have a
column in four, four series. I love Ali McCoy and.
The one thing that. Ali was, we were talking about
this morning. Where is it?
It was hard to it was hard to get him.
One point we were struggling to get him right and then we got
him. We couldn't stop it.
(40:07):
Yeah. So we've completed Ali and.
Jermaine Penins and another one we joke about.
Please no more pen if we get outfit of a penny like no sticky
Egypt. I'm joking.
So it's like. You get a lot of, we're very
reliant on freelancers coming tous, going to what I've got these
players and and we have freelancers all over the world.
So we've got Italian speakers, Brazilian speakers.
(40:28):
We've got a great interview witha new Chelsea Brazilian wonder
kid, Esteban. And that again is done by
Brazilian in Brazilian journalists done in Brazilian.
So you get a much better interview back.
Interestingly, Baloghay seems tohave done the damn belly
interview. He's speaking Spanish and the
belly speaking French back. So I.
Don't know how it's. Going to be that was the piggy
(40:50):
in the. Middle for that, literally.
That'd be incredible. Yeah.
Jonesy, is there any questions you want to ask, mate?
Yeah. Oh, I guess I was going to say.
Is there a dream interview? But you've interviewed Cheery,
didn't you? Oh God, yeah.
Yeah, asked about that. How?
Was that well? Amazing but terrifying and so it
came about through the funnily enough, because I mean, I'm
(41:14):
quite enough football stickers and cards.
So in in lockdown we did a podcast called searching for
Chinese. Yep, that's how I used to be a.
Listener, we. Got sponsored by Tops for that
this, but they give us a little.So the next an ex colleague of
mine went to Tops and they had there they said, oh, we've got
we've got a couple hours of Shira up and in the northeast.
(41:37):
You want do you want 20 minutes with him?
We've locked him in a room. So I went along to a random
industrial estate in Hewitt in which is actually South of the
river. It's most you're getting on for
Sunderland territory. Interesting.
If we went there on the eve of 20 EUR 2024 and then when yeah,
you and Alan, what do you fancy?And I was like, shit.
(42:00):
So we did it. We did a EUR 96 look back.
Wow. Available on YouTube.
It's had 10s of 10s of views on YouTube, so you can still see it
if you want to go and watch it. I'm a bit terrified.
I'm a bit, you know, I'm just about holding it together.
I was going to say because you mentioned.
Obviously you're a 96 your birthday and that era, you know,
(42:22):
he signs for your team afterwards and there you're
starting in the room with him. Yeah.
So they they. They were like he's up for you
know, you'll you'll do it. You want to do a career look,
and I just went into the eve of Europe 2024 that I said, can we
do a retro sort of look back at.So we walked through the
tournament from from from the dentist's chair to the to the
night we lost to Germany and Shira was tremendous,
(42:45):
tremendous, so good. That's incredible come true.
I. Mean.
And yeah, one more last one, I promise you.
No, no, carry on. Carry on so you meet your hero.
You meet your hero, what do you get signed?
That's the biggest. That's the biggest thing you
stress about. I'm looking at the shirts and
I'm like, I don't want to take the piss.
I don't want to come with an armful.
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I got one thing signed and you're going to.
I think you lines are going to love it.
You're ready for this. You'll know.
You'll know what it is as soon as I put it on.
Yeah, I think. Oh yes.
The bottle. But you know, in my mind.
I I in my mind, when you said I thought Luke was a ball, but
then I thought no, because it's that one.
Is that the one they actually did the Yeah, so.
(43:29):
Again, shirts. I'm in classic football shirts
Manchester I'm buying a shirt. This is maybe 2022.
I'm buying a shirt. I'm at checkout.
They've got a bin full of these original EUR 96 and I.
Was like put one of. Them in the put one of them in
the basket. So I was like, and then my
editor James, because he's a swine.
(43:52):
He, he liked the idea, bought 1 and he's got it signed by
everyone who did the dentist chair celebration.
So he's done me. So he's done me.
So I need to get the others. I need to get McManaman, I need
Gazza, I need Redknapp and Teddysharing him.
They were the guys who did the celebration.
So that's my that's my question.But you could start a
(44:12):
documentary. The dentist chair documentary
and then you could just go on search of all these players.
That would be incredible. Maybe that.
Maybe that'd be a little. Serious before I just.
Wanted to go through a couple ofthe articles of 442.
So specifically what I like thatyou've been like been consistent
with with the magazine is the mixer, which is like the kind of
football fashion kits, technology kind of side of
(44:35):
things. Is that something that you kind
of look at with 90s football andthink, right, so I've got a
particular kit to focus. Does someone say, I want to look
at that kit this week or is there a particular season you
focus on? How does that kind of work?
Because the Pizza Hut kits in this one, isn't it?
(44:57):
Yeah. Did you guys know Phil?
Delves big football show. Yeah, Phil's.
So we wanted. To do something, I wanted to
introduce a it's an idea we nicked basically from our from
our sister titled Rugby World. They featured a classic rugby
shirt. And I was like, we got we got to
get in on this. So I'll contacted Phil and I
(45:17):
said you're the you're the man, You know, you that you're the
best for me, the best sort of sort of there's such a thing as
a football shirt journalist. You know, Phil is, yeah,
amazing. And I said, do you?
Want to? I said.
I'd love to sort of Commission you to write the year's worth of
and you pick the shirts. And so Phil came out and we did
it in all in advance. So Phil picked out the shirts
(45:37):
and we picked a couple of those.I snuck my snook a Newcastle one
in there already. Already as a Fulham fan, I do
fair. I think Phil picked the Fulham
pizza Pizza Hut shit anyway. But then there's some some some
really random, you know, really.Let's have a look.
I mean, you've got Gambo Osaka 1993, Mizuno, Panasonic,
(45:58):
Fiorentina, home feeling Nintendo, we're doing nonce
197879. And.
We got in touch with classic shirts, who we've become sort of
made to classic shirts and they,we, they sent us the shirts down
to photographs. So we had them in a studio and
nicely photographed shirt. Awesome.
(46:18):
So that takes care of itself, Phil right to that.
And we've got the photographs already done.
And the mixer is a collaborationbetween myself and the art
director, Anth. So throughout the course of the
month, we're in a, we're in a place now where we get a lot of
PRS and press releases through for various products.
It's sort of know us. And I think my mind and his
details are on the page. If you've got anything for the
mixer, Instagram us and we just compile everything and then puts
(46:43):
down what he thinks looks the best because he's got the eye
for the for the layout. And then I write the words.
So that's how it works. And we find it's all now like
just capsule collections and nostalgic stuff.
Like for that Oasis issue, they re released the Umbro drill drop
drill top Leo on stage of main road.
Yeah, they re released the Penfold Penfield raincoat that
(47:09):
no war yeah on stage as well. So that's been re released.
It's also re releases and capsules.
And there was a cool one this, this this month actually, which
was a Lotto did a festival shirtfor Tram Lines Festival and
another. What's the one in there?
Is that the Sheffield one? Tram Lines, Sheffield, Yeah,
yeah. There's another one in
Derbyshire. And they did a cool thing where
Lotto designed the shirt for thefestival, but you could only
(47:33):
pick it up on site at the festival.
So it was like to make it even rarer.
So you pre-ordered it and you collected it on site and that
was you. You should.
So loads of cool things like this just sort of and then if we
see something on Instagram, we've got a little Slack
channel. If we see somewhere on
Instagram, we paste the link in.Then when we get to do the page,
we pull it all together and it'slike best, best of the best.
(47:54):
And then. Probably the the next the last
one that I want to mention, Matt.
So thank you for your detail on this.
So far it's been incredible games that changed my life.
That's my favourite I think every year because the Razor
Ruddock one I've read recently, obviously in this episode.
I mean, I think that's probably the thing that football fans
(48:16):
kind of want to know. We as fans always talk about
games that change our lives or impact us.
So like you've said about the kind of Scotland, England game
and EUR 96, it's really nice to read it from a player's
perspective because you don't necessarily know how much it
impacts them. Yeah, you know what the
(48:38):
interesting. Thing with that is we've done a
few recently and I think Gordon Strachan and Owen Hargreaves, I
think they picked more games they lost and then it would
right I. Can pick the game where he lost
like 5. One or something, I'm sure that
was him. They sort of won't bloom at
1:00, but this but some of them he said and then you sort of
think, oh wow, you would think they bought a score hat trick
and I did this actually, no, like that game was my wake up
(49:00):
call or that game was, you know,changed his log in in to the end
for me. Yeah, so that's a it's a it's a
it's a really great 1 so I'm glad you picked out that one.
Cool. Jonesy, any questions?
No, that's it. Listen to these all these
stories all day, mate. Yeah, yeah, it's all good.
OK, Matt, thank you ever so muchfor your time mate.
(49:23):
Really, really appreciate it. We're really looking forward to
obviously I'm I'm going to get the season review magazine
shortly, but really appreciate it.
Thanks ever so much for sharing your memories and insights into
the 442 Magazine. It's been.
Brilliant. It's been brilliant.
It's looked great visually. And it's been great.
(49:44):
So yeah, wicked. Thanks.
Right. Just for those that are
listening or that are watching this on YouTube, if anyone would
like to find you on social mediavia the magazine, how can they
find you mate? Yeah, so obviously.
Follow 442 we're everywhere you'll you'll find us if you
type 442 and if you want to follow me catch all FC on
Instagram and just catch all on Twitter.
(50:06):
Perfect. Nice.
One thank you ever so much for being a guest.
Yeah, but I really. Appreciate it.
Thank you for your time. There we go.
How? Was that guys that?
Was Matt Ketchel from 442 magazine Jonesy?
Like, if we had another two hours of Matt's time, I think
(50:27):
we'd still be unhappy. Is that right?
Jonesy needs to sort out his. Standing order for 442 Magazine.
Just a big lie on the wall at 442 magazine, mate like just I
love this kind of inside the factory kind of thing about I
love it that it's obviously a magazine we grew up like reading
(50:50):
and stuff and it's still going, you know there's.
Magazines that come have gone, and that's.
Yeah, yeah. Big part of a childhood.
Yeah. That was great, but that again
mate, makes. Me think like how good was match
and shoot like I wish they would.
I know Match magazine is still kind of going now it's shoot.
(51:10):
Is magazine still going? Is it shoot monthly?
I don't know. I don't know.
Can't get magazines over here mate.
I went into shop today disappointed but getting back to
it, you think as well, he said. You know, it takes 4.
Was it four weeks to do a magazine?
You think back then, the weekly Match and Shoot magazine,
obviously they weren't as big. I mean, yeah, but.
Getting those interviews. And stuff.
(51:31):
I know, yeah. I'd literally be panic and going
right Chuck in another crosswordquick.
Matt Letizzierei cancelled. Imagine being back now, you
know. If you could go for work
experience, where would you go? You can go.
Yeah, that's brilliant. Though really enjoyed that one.
Yeah, I I really did. And yeah, the the kind of
(51:52):
stories and I think what we we said about this many a time on
the pod day, but it's. Those little memories.
That Matt mentioned, like going to the Odeon with his dad and
watching the game was just as big an occasion as going to
Saint James's Park. I love stuff like that.
Like that is what football is all about.
(52:13):
It's kind of reignited a little bit more of a fire within me
about the Premier League season,mate.
I know we spoke about this before.
Are we excited about the seasonsstarting?
Yeah, you know what? I'm going to give it a go.
You're going to give it a go. What are?
You watching at the moment for the listeners mate?
Are you are you delving into English football?
(52:33):
I watched a bit. Of championship.
I watched Wrexham last week. Blackburn.
But as I said, Nah. Obviously didn't watch the
robbers taped it. No, but like I said.
Obviously going like. I watched the German, the Bund,
there's five, Bundesliga, I'm opening my horizons, Welsh
Premier League started, so I'm trying to get my head around
(52:56):
everything. Yeah, it's a bit hard with the
time difference here, but it's got to make it work.
How about you? What are you excited for?
Yeah, I mean well. Firstly, what am I excited for?
Crikey, we saw the other day that the Championship are
releasing A Panini sticker album.
That huge for me. Are you going to go down to the
newsagents and get? Yeah, for the little box on the
(53:17):
counter, do you have the stickers in?
Yeah. And for those listening, and.
Watching. I will have a table outside my
apartment, so if you would like to come at 2:00 PM every
Wednesday, I will be running a Woody swap shop.
I'll send you my post code all right, I mean.
Back when, you know, I had the Football League, I think it was
the 96. Sticker book.
(53:39):
Yeah, I think we talked about the sticker book collection, how
we just collect everything. That was when I saw that was
released the the EFL one, that'sa massive, it's a bit of a
different. Twist, isn't it?
It's almost like they've gone. The kids want Merlin.
Bring it back. Yeah, I know it's Panini, but it
kind of has that kind of old school shinies, you know, it has
(54:02):
that different effect. Yeah.
Loving it, Jonesy. I'm still in.
I'm still on cloud 9 from our episodes, if I'm honest.
What sort of episodes have we got coming up for our wonderful
listeners, viewers for the startof this season?
I mean, we've we've been going strong, right?
We haven't had a preseason. Yeah.
(54:24):
Yeah, we've got so much coming up and we've got to, we've got
to get into the start of the seasons.
I think the listeners might wantanother Kit episode.
I think they might. I just, I've got a feeling, you
know, going to say. Last week's episode, I think
it's going to be when it's all said and done, one of our
highest rated episodes. So I thank you so much for
(54:45):
everyone who listened. Thank you.
We had fun with that one, didn'twe?
Yeah. Thumbs up, thumbs down.
We did worry though, didn't we? After, as soon as we recorded,
we were like, whoa. We chatted for over an hour and
what was it, 20? I was going to put that.
Episode into three parts. The way it was going, we're
going to release the trilogy. Three.
Yeah, yeah. Make you all wait.
Three weeks for the entire episode.
(55:08):
Yeah, for those of you that aren't a Wimbledon West Ham fan,
you got to wait till the end. But like we when we do this,
the. Episode.
The time flies by so we don't realise till we finish it.
We're like, whoa. Like that's how much fun we
have. Isn't it?
It's like we just keep, you know, went to our 24 hour
marathon episode. Yeah, I mean. 90s Premier League
(55:29):
bombs. I'm not editing that.
It's 3:00 AM. I'm not editing.
I'm not. Editing that, that's just going
out as it is, mates. But again, this is a plea to our
listeners and and viewers. So firstly, thank you again for
feedback the comments we're reading, we see everything we
(55:50):
see the comments you put on YouTube yeah Spotify, anything
you send us it's been incredibleand the ones the ones I don't
see I. Send to you, you send to me.
And it makes us yeah, yeah, is happy, doesn't it?
It does a. Little Spring and our step.
Yeah, we're, we're bringing stuff.
Back to you guys and that's whatwe want to keep doing.
So if you've got any more suggestions for pod ideas, if
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you want us to feature, get in touch.
We've got plenty of channels to do so and we love air,
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Thank you So. Much.
All right, Woody, where can theyfind you?
If they want to get in touch, they can find me on.
Instagram only at Woody W 1988 What about you?
(56:33):
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TikTok the other day oh, sorry Jonesy, I told you that was an.
Exclusive and that exclusive canonly be revealed.
That's the burner account. But.
It's like I've joined strictly like oh, what is on TikTok?
Oh, quick. And I've just said football Dot
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So I've seen there's some Krakenshirts actually today the
Germany anniversary shirt is on there at the moment.
(57:18):
The added astrofoil. So Woody might be treating
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speaking to you, seeing you all on our next episode.
So thanks ever so much, guys. Thank you.
All right. Take it easy.
See ya.
Hello and welcome to episode 21 of that 90s Premier League
podcast, Woody. Hello mate.
What? Are you recording mate?
What are you reading well? Do you know what?
We have a special guest today. I'm reading the legendary 442
magazine. Great cover in that.
Absolutely. So today we've got a guest who
(00:32):
knows the beautiful game inside and out.
It's Matthew Kettrel, deputy editor of 442 magazine for you,
a podcaster, presenter, journalist, kick collector.
What else are you? Everything.
Play the drums. Hey, me too, lovely.
Drummer. That's about it, Father.
Now. Just not just.
Congratulations. Yeah.
(00:54):
How's it going? Yeah, it's going.
He's doing everything a baby should, should be doing.
It's been interesting. He was born, he was born the
night of the Europa League final.
So it was a we did have that on briefly in the delivery room and
it didn't do anything to lightenthe mood.
Yeah, because they taught them well.
(01:15):
Yeah. So welcome, Matt.
Thank you ever for comment on me.
We have been pestering you for some time.
So thanks for sparing us a few minutes today to go through the
pod. We want to just dive in and talk
about everything glorious about Newcastle in the 90's, the 442
magazine, your obsession with the 90s, because I'm sure you've
(01:37):
got plenty of memories and things you want to kind of
relive. So yeah, let's just get
cracking. I mean, I'm sure you've seen or
heard of the kind of episodes ofthe pod previously, so it's
great to have you on as a guest.Jonesy, do you want to kind of
get us kicking off, mate? Oh mate, where do we start?
Where do we start? I know that four.
(01:58):
I know. Woody, that 442 magazine you
were just holding up? Yeah, that takes me back far
out. Yeah, I'll hold up again just
for you to. Go through it.
I actually thought that was fromthe 90s when you was we were
starting reading that. The images, The images, Yeah,
yeah. The, the season, the issue of
442 before the season preview. And it's Liam and Noel Gallagher
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in the Umbro brother shirts, Knowles in the home shirt and in
the away shirt from it was takenin 1994 by Kevin Cummings,
legendary music photographer, close friend of the Gallagher's,
particularly Noel. Apparently he's in a football
WhatsApp group with Noel Gallagher, Man City away games
together. Kevin's got an excellent book
(02:45):
out at the minute. And we we approached him this
summer ahead of the the Oasis tour and he was interested in it
being featured in the airport. And we said, well, let's put it
on the cover. You know, if you give me some
permission to use these amazing images and the book's called
Oasis, the Master Plan. It's a brilliant coffee table
(03:07):
book. I got one for my birthday in
June. And Kevin had these amazing.
He was just, he spent basically a day at Main Road with with
Liam and Noel in May 4 and it was one of them I think.
I think the kickbacks or the thenewer of the stand was literally
being built and they just walkedinto Main Road.
No, no one said anything they just walked in.
(03:28):
Liam had bought a full Man City kid from the club shop and he
had the shorts on underneath histrousers and they were just
doing pictures in and around Main Rd.
Is that one of the famous picture is from them?
Because there is that iconic image of them both in the Man
City shirts with like a kind of down an alleyway.
(03:49):
Is that Kevin's work or? I have to, I have to look at the
book and I think that would be in one of the I would guess that
would be in a side street off the road or I think it's
certainly in Manchester. It was happened that day because
they've got the pictures of themin the stadium in the shirts.
The whole band are there as well.
Yeah, brilliant. And, and yeah, just, but he sent
us the full sort of menu of, of,of shot.
(04:12):
And there was also some some also some shit some shots of
them, I think in a gig in in London where Liam's wearing like
an away shirt from the like a retro 1970s like toffs type.
The red and black. Yeah, the old 7.
Expressed on I think he did it. He's doing a gig in it, the mic.
So, yeah, so we asked Kevin to to use those pictures and we and
(04:35):
we wrote the story of Oasis's relationship with football,
which. Is brilliant.
Amazing. Yeah, really enjoyed the
article. People like Stuart Pearce, who
went to Knebworth in a stretch limo with Scott and and some of
the Man City players, Sean Taisha, Yeah.
And just got loads of until I'm a big Oasis after Newcastle
(04:57):
Oasis would be my specialist subject on Mastermind and I
thought I'd heard it all for loads.
All these stories in the future were were brand new to me.
Our editor James Andrew, who me and him are probably neck and
neck in terms of Oasis Oasis fanfandom.
He wrote the feature, done a great job.
And we just wanted loads of untold football stories about
Oasis because it they really, they really you football was,
(05:20):
you know, this Premier League kicked off as in 199293.
That was when Oasis, you know, got together in 9293 and then
they reached the mainstream whenthe Premier League reached
reached the mainstream really. And they just sort of followed
each other and city were gone. City were going that way and
Oasis were going that way, whichmade it more of an interesting,
an interesting tale. So it's a really good one.
(05:41):
You can still get it if you go on 442's website.
You can buy back issues and if you're an Oasis fan and if we
will find you didn't get that one, then I do encourage you.
I will definitely be getting that one.
I think as well on the on the back of that, Matt, I mean, you
mentioned about Oasis starting in the 90's, the Premier League
kicking off in the 90s. We all know it was an incredible
(06:02):
era to be part of in terms of the kind of meteoric rise of the
Premier League and music in general.
What were your kind of first memories of being a Newcastle
fan? Because obviously Newcastle won
at the start of the Premier League, but they made one hell
of an impact when they got there.
Yeah, well I I started to get into football around about the
(06:23):
time Newcastle went on an 11 game unbeaten run at the start
of 92.3. The Keegan, you know, light in
the blue touch paper to James Park literally coincided with me
probably getting my first ever football magazine, which would
have been much. We had Dean Saunders in a
Liverpool kit on the front. That was my introduction to
football. Yeah.
(06:45):
So it took me about a year to get him.
My dad wasn't a massive footballfan, but he was just very
encouraging of our interest as kids.
Yeah, we got the Newcastle went on this amazing Division One
run. This was the first year of the
Premier League, Newcastle in Division One.
Keegan had taken over in the February of 92.
By March 93 I was sort of ready for my first game and I went to
Newcastle, Brentford, St James'sPark.
(07:07):
We won five one Rob Lee scored from the halfway line and it was
disallowed incorrectly for half time FF offside.
And I know the only two memoriesI have of the of the game are
Kevin Scott scoring an own goal with a diving header and the
smell of the brewery out of the back.
New Classical Breweries was literally out the back of Saint
James's bark at the time. Is that where the the Brown Ale
(07:29):
brewery is? Not anymore.
They're brown hills brewed and Tadcaster I believe so the much
the mystique. I think it moved to Gateshead
briefly right in Tadcaster and funnily enough and another in a
former job before I got into football gym as well.
Worked at a lifestyle magazine writing about all sorts and they
were filming a a brown ale advert and in Gateshead across
(07:52):
the river from our office and myeditor went go across there and
get a story and I was on set at this brown ale Advent.
I got a hold of the person who was in charge and it was a Dutch
guy and the brown ale officers are in the Chrysler Building in
New York now. It's huge in America.
You ever got Newcastle, you're going to America.
Brown ale is huge in Newcastle. So it's really gone left the
(08:12):
region a long time ago and it's it's it does all its business in
in America. Yeah, that's a that's a side
note. So, yeah, the the Kevin Scott
diving header in the smell of the breweries were my takeaways
from that. And Chris Hewton played for
Brentford. It would go on to in Newcastle,
yeah, it was it was just a brilliant era.
It was incredibly exciting that that that time under Keegan.
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No, I can imagine. Say what?
Before we said, obviously being in Australia, I've never seen
this for sale. And then I went to a shop today
and it's the first time I've seen a Newcastle brown ale and
it's actually made because I've got the story about Rex and
lager got released in Australia.Obviously I'm originally from
Wales. I was like cool drinking it,
read the back. It's made in Sydney, they just
(08:55):
bought. The licence, yeah.
So this is actually the real stuff.
So yeah. It gets a bad red brown L, but
it's not a bad drop. No, I like it, yeah.
Yeah, I say in terms of the you say, you say, you say you had
sort of vague memories of the kind of 93 kind of era.
What was the kind of first kind of season for you?
(09:16):
They really kind of like switched on and you were like,
Oh my God, this is incredible. So it was the season from the
shirts that you allowed to wear.And so, yeah, we've got Jonesy
and Woody here in the whole Massac shirt.
The, the. We forgot, we forgot the what
we're wearing. You can you can do.
The we're all. Here the seat, my first season,
(09:36):
my sort of first season where I was like fully into it was Nike
9394. So Newcastle came up in the
Premier League, Kevin Keegan said on day one of the Premier
League. We're recording this on the eve
of the new Premier League season, on day one of the
Premier League as a newly promoted manager, he said, Alex
Ferguson, we're coming for your title on television, on screen
(09:58):
on Football Focus that morning, he said, we're coming to tell
and we lost one nil at home Spurs.
But that was the season where the kits that we're all wearing,
I'm wearing the the goalkeeper shirt.
Yeah. Well, they had four goalkeeper
shirts that season, all amazing,just outrageous.
Peak 1990s ASICS or R6, depending on where you're from.
(10:20):
And the whole shirt was, was, was beautiful.
It had also the year of sponsors.
It had the star and eventually had the star on the front and it
had Mcewan's Law going in right in for a bit.
So and then the Saint James Parkwas sort of being renovated and
the kids look fantastic. And it was one of them where
opening day of the season, everyone's in the kit, the
(10:40):
entire stadiums bathed in black and white.
Yeah. We struggled to get going that
season, lost to, lost to Tottenham and Drew, lost or drew
a Coventry, got a point at Old Trafford and then got going and
then eventually finished third in the league as a newly
promoted team. And well, I can remember Rob Lee
that year though, he was scoringlike left, right and centre and
(11:03):
he had an incredible year, didn't he?
It was it was Beardsley and callthat season to be fair.
Honestly, I'd have to look Andy Cole got Andy Cole got I think a
42 goals in all comps in the eraof in the era of 42 games in a
premier Premier League season. And beards, beards, beards must
have got in the 20s. They both were on fire.
(11:24):
And then and then Rob Lee was was he reached his peak probably
95, but he was probably my my early one of my early favourite
players. And, and it was, it was just,
you know, I've been lucky enoughthrough work to have various
projects that I've done to speakto a lot of players who were
involved in this era. And it was just so it was just
(11:45):
such a simple era. It was 5A size and had tennis
during the week. And Keegan's team talk was
you're you're better than them go.
These fans have have worked all week and they're paying the
money to the highlight of the week is watching you go in and
go and entertain them. It was so simple.
It was running through a brick wall stuff and it when you just
worked. And he galvanised the whole city
(12:06):
being A1 club city. When the club, when the club are
winning, the city's bouncing when they're losing, everyone's
on a downer. And he just totally galvanised
the whole area, got the whole area.
Everyone loved him, kids, grannies, yeah pets, loved
Keegan. It was just he just absolutely
had. He had Newcastle and the
surrounding area in the Palmers hand.
You could honestly feel it though.
(12:27):
You could. And I think everybody that
wasn't a Newcastle fan was kind of a secret Newcastle fan at
that time because one, the way they played football was very
entertaining, very attacking. They had great characters in the
squad. I think everybody loved Kevin
Keegan just for how he spoke. I mean that I would love it if
(12:48):
we beat them. Quote is used every year in any
kind of context with regards to a football interview.
Yeah. So I can imagine then.
So we were you a season ticket holder then?
Sorry, from 93? Or were you just a frequent
goer? So this is the interest, this is
the interesting thing and this gives a flavour of how how it
was sort of it was Beatle mania with Newcastle players and you
(13:10):
get at the time. So the stadium probably held
30,000 and they renovated and got it up about 36.
You could not get in to the right of the stadium.
I think my uncle, my uncle Ray had a had a had a ticket and he
used to say to me, you can come one, you can come once a season,
pick a game. So he's a pick Man United.
I quite like Mark Bosnia. So I used to pick Villa
(13:30):
sometimes I picked Man United. I picked my United the year we
lost one nil in March and the title sort of flipped.
I lost, I picked that game but you couldn't get in to the
stadium. So what what you used to do is
the local Odeon would do a live beam back, the cinema would do a
live of the game. So my dad, my dad would come
(13:50):
home and go. I've got tickets for the Odeon
and it was like I'd won the lottery.
It was like I'm going to the cinema to watch the game.
She'd be on the metro, be on themetro with the other supporters
who were going to the stadium. But I was absolutely buzzing
because we were still going to watch the game.
Oh. I love that.
In there, watch that's very goodpacked.
And it was, if I remember rightly, there was a good
atmosphere, songs and stuff and like I remember being in there
(14:12):
for some. I remember being in there when
when Andy called broke Huey Gallagher scoring record, yeah,
scored. It was a night time game against
Aston Villa. I'm being in there for that man
being in there for a random Sheffield United away game.
And it was just that if you've got tickets to see the beam back
you would you were buzzing. So to get in the stadium was
just Holy Grail. You couldn't get in there.
(14:32):
When they put over 36,000 there was like another 20,000 on the
waiting list. So you couldn't, you could not
get in. You could Then the lat, the time
I went after the Brentford game was like Bristol City, like 2 of
the League Cup second round or whatever.
Like maybe, maybe 18 months later you couldn't get in and it
wasn't until they extended the stadium up to 52,000 and 2000
(14:56):
that I got a season ticket. So I've had a season ticket
since then. So before then it was just
scrambling around trying to get the game.
We managed, we managed. It was a lot.
It was. It did get easier when when
Dagnish came in and dismantled the team, not as many people
wanted to go. Yeah.
That was AI. Think we spoke about that era,
don't we? Yeah, that's Army, yeah.
Rushed John Barnes era. Yeah, it was.
(15:18):
No, no, no Jones, have you got any questions mate?
Sorry I've I've fired on with a bit of Newcastle early days.
Is there anything on your list? Oh, just obviously the kids.
Yeah. Kid Collector.
Yeah. Keeper, man, keeper.
Yeah, so it was a goalkeeper. So as a goalkeeper.
So what did the thing where, youknow, I probably had all these
kits when I was a kid in a junior size, got rid of them.
(15:39):
And then really during lockdown,just a bit of boredom crept in.
I was like, I've got I. Think that happened for
everyone? Yeah, I got it.
I. Think that's how they kick
community started What he wasn'tit.
That's how we all joined up. I was saying before the court,
I've got all my shirts above. I've been speaking from my
office. I've got all my shirts hung up
like almost hanging from the ceiling here and and I just sort
of had to have all the, the, theASICS Newcastle ball keeper
(16:03):
kits. Yeah.
And then I'm a big Adidas head as well.
So I've got a lot of a lot of Adidas.
But the 90's, the 90s kit. I've got a great story actually.
Maybe I could tell you this, tell you this story.
What are you? Are you chef Wed farm?
Yeah. Yeah there's a chef Wed element
to this song add to this shirt join me to join me pull it down.
This is my when I get talking about shirts.
(16:24):
This is the story I try out so I'll.
So I'll go back to your shirt collecting question.
Originally I got into it after lockdown and during lockdown I
was working for BBC Match of theDay magazine and got made
redundant unfortunately during lockdown.
So moved back up to the northeast, was living in London
and got a job at the Chronicle on the football desk at the
Chronicle and I'd had a bill by now.
(16:46):
Built a bit of a reputation as ashare collection.
I started writing some shit articles for the Chronicle,
among other other news stories that I would do.
And I also did a podcast about the history of Newcastle United
from day one to to 2022 called Chronicled.
So I had a bit of a reputation as a shirt collector.
And I got a very random e-mail one day and very poorly
(17:07):
formatted, written by, I think by an elderly person.
You could say no punctuation. And it was it was along the
lines of hello, I've got a Newcastle shirt.
Do you want it? And I was like, OK, so always,
I'm always interested in shirts.I was OK.
What? What do you, what do you, what
shirt is it? And he's sort of basically a bit
of back and forth. He was from Sheffield and he
(17:29):
knew Sheffield United. Sheffield Wednesday kit man
called Alan Smith at the time. Yeah, 1990.
Yeah, he said. He said.
I was friends with Alan Smith. My son wasn't well and we
played, they played Newcastle in1990.
Bearing in mind I'm a huge Newcastle fan.
My first hero was Pablo Cerna. Check.
And he said I've got Pablo Cernacheques shirt from the game.
(17:52):
So I went hang on a second and I've gone back and he's made his
debut for Newcastle against Sheffield Wednesday on April the
1st, 1990. And I'm like, is this guy
offering me Pavel Cernyczak's debut Newcastle shirt?
So I'm like, I'm like saying to my wife, if this guy's got the
shit, I'm driving to Yorkshire tonight.
(18:14):
So again, so basically he got Puffs shirt.
He said he got Puffs shirt Alan Smith, this kit man sorted it
out for him. My son wasn't well.
He says, oh, I just want to sellit now.
I wonder. I do not want to know how it's
worth, how much it's worth. There's no pictures or anything.
Sure, yeah. So.
So he sends me a picture of the shirt in a frame and this, this
is the shirt, right? Oh.
(18:37):
Wow. God.
So it's to describe it to you. Your audio list?
Yeah, please. Umbro.
It's an Umbro template goalkeeper shirt from the 90s in
a colour that I've never seen with green holes on the front.
It's same. I've never seen that one before.
And I've never, I've never seen.I've seen it in green and
(18:58):
yellow, I've never seen it in blue before.
So I've I've seen the template but I've never seen the colours
before. Yeah, I've got an Umbro template
from when Wednesday had that in 1990, which is a beautiful
template though, isn't it? Yeah.
But here's the thing. Here's the thing.
So I'm now looking for footage of the game, right?
And Pab's wearing the green 10. I've got the blue 1.
(19:22):
So I'm like, what's going on here?
So he sent me some more picturesand it's got 16 signatures on
the entire 16 from the night. And you cost the bench on the
first team. And I think what's happened is.
And bearing in mind you couldn'teven buy replica shirts.
Yeah, this not not to mention goalkeeper shirts.
Yeah. And I don't.
And I've never seen a picture ofanyone went in the blue.
(19:42):
Yeah. Though I think what's happened
is he's give him a spare or a training shirt and got it signed
by the team that night. Yeah.
And give him that. So it's not this, it's not
perhaps debut shirt. But I was like, I've still, I've
still got to. I've got to get.
Incredible. Yeah, that is absolutely
incredible. But for a couple of days I was
like. Have I Have I accidentally found
(20:03):
Pablo Stone cheques debut? But it's still a great shirt and
I quite like the guy. The guy.
Got a programme here for Woody? Look, Woody.
Yeah, yeah, I'm actually gettinga chef for Wednesday.
Goalkeeper shirt printed with Pablo Sailor check at the
moment. Yeah, great keeper.
How many? How many games did you play for
(20:24):
Wednesday? All seasons.
Yeah, it was a couple of seasons.
I mean it was the 90, 799 year, I think, yeah, great goalkeeper.
But yeah, obviously done of us for Newcastle.
So if well on that subject Matt,I mean, so your favourite
players of the 90s, you being a goalkeeper.
It was it Pavel, say the Czech in terms of it.
(20:44):
Would be Pav and it would be Shay Given.
Oh. Shay Given.
So that so Pav Robly, yeah. And Shay Given and and
obviously, I mean Alan Sheer, I mean, as AI was 11 years old, I
was I was I turned 11 the day England beat Scotland in Euro 96
(21:04):
and Gaza dog head Colin Henry into the Wembley that and then
Sheer a finished top scorer and then signs for your club and and
you're 11 years old and you've signed the Golden Boot winner
who's a Geordie. And it's and it's the final.
We've just missed out on the league and this is the final
piece in the puzzle and you think you're going to win
everything. Did he literally look at the TV
(21:25):
and point at you and go happy birthday man, time for your
club? So that summer was so Shira
Shira, Rob Lee and Pav and Shay Given.
So I grew up watching a lot of games at Elm Park for Red in mid
90s and I was a big fan of ShakaHislop.
So obviously when he goes to Newcastle that's a huge move for
(21:49):
him. Did he have much of an impact?
I know he was a big fan favourite, he was a great
goalkeeper, but was he as prolific as Soda Check in your
eyes or? The funny thing, The funny thing
with Cerner check is Keegan never really rated him.
That was the big thing. There was a thing and Pavo used
to talk about this. Keegan never really fully
(22:09):
trusted him. And Keegan, which was trying, if
you think he got him, he broughtin Mike Hooper, you might
remember. Oh yeah.
Yeah, Liverpool, Yeah. So Keegan would try things.
And I think that was Keegan's way of trying to just move it
on. And Shaka was Shaka struggled
with injuries. Actually, he would, he got
injured, I think he got injured just as he arrived.
And then he he when he would getand see, he would, he would pick
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up and he was, he was one of them to pick up injuries at the
wrong time. And then Steve Harper was coming
through. So Steve Harper would had been
had been at the club since the early 90s and.
Right servant at the. Club, he was coming through and
then Keegan left and Doug Leash brought in his own goalkeeper
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coach Terry Genowa, who'd been aBlackburn, and you knew of the
talent of Shay Given. So so he was advised to buy Shay
Given. So at one point we had Shay
Shaka. There's a great picture actually
of Shay Shaka, Steve Harper and Pav all all trained in a
preseason. You're like, that's, that's too
many. That's been quite a bit greedy.
Yeah, yes. So Shaka, Shaka, they both,
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they're both soon, sort of soon went after that.
And Shay and Shay and Hops were then there for 10 years
basically. I think my memory of shagging
his hop is that that keeper shirt behind me, he oversized.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was almost.
Like he made it his own. Yeah, it's almost like he didn't
have shorts at one point, wasn'tit?
Yeah, I'd loved another size on it.
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Yeah, so favourite kind of Did you purchase a kit every season
or was that a luxury as a kid? Were you a kit fan, full kit
shorts and stocks or why? Would I?
Yeah, it would have been full goalkeeper kit because I've just
played so much football. So it would have been full, full
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goalkeeper kit. And then the shirts, the shirt
thing sort of went away, went away from me for a bit and
didn't help. The Newcastle went from the IDs
to Puma. That was very uninspiring, 15
long years. Then Castor came in.
It was even worse. Was that how long you had been
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before? We had them from 2011 to maybe
10 years, maybe 10. That's their punishment.
They had one or two interesting things, but never so it was, it
wasn't really like I say came, I'm just looking up at the kids
now. It really sort of came came to
me during during lockdown. Again, just the nostalgia.
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Come on, you've got you showed us before we started recording.
You've got your own JJB picker. Yeah, we want to see some of the
shirts, don't we, Jonesy? Absolutely.
We wouldn't be here otherwise. Let me to this.
You'll have to bear with me while I do this, so right, here
we go. All right, back in the room.
Here we go. I've.
Got a four? Yeah, not Newcastle.
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Oh, hello. Long sleeves Maldini.
Maldini Italia. It's 96 Italy.
Just yeah, I'm a long sleeves guy.
It has to be long sleeves. Yeah, yeah.
Is that the keeper in you that likes long sleeves Matt?
Or do you just like long sleeve shirts?
I. Think it looks better.
I just think it looks, yeah, better.
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I'm really young than this, I think.
I think this is the best kit in the world ever.
Oh yes. Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 596
Newcastle away. Yeah, is that long sleeve?
As well. Long sleeve, yeah.
Oh, oh, that is ridiculous. I do think, I think that is it.
That's the best for me. Yeah, People go Germany 1990
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Denmark, I just put. Janola on the back as well.
Did you like obviously they theybrought like a a tribute to that
one didn't a few years ago? Was it last year or last season?
Yeah. Yeah.
What did you think of that one it?
Was OK, The shorts needed to be the shorts needed to be white.
I'm very yeah, They try to do the shorter Navy.
They did play in the short and white, but yeah, it's nice,
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really nice. Navy.
Yeah, yeah, they did play in white.
Yeah, that was always good aboutit.
But I was saying I think I'd have done a great job with with
the and they actually just reissued the brown Ale Grande
neck collar, which is. Oh yeah.
No, I really am enjoying. The current third shirt is a
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throwback to our 1998 Away shirt, orange and Navy.
Is so is there a shirt that's that's eluded you so far from
the 90s? Is that one you're on the hunt
for? And maybe maybe that one in long
sleeves because I like to go long sleeves, so maybe, maybe
that one in long sleeves. And the funnily enough, the
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Jonesy, the kit you've got behind you, the the Shaka kit,
if you like the purple. Yeah, yeah, I kind of I kind of
miss in the blue version about the home version, that which I
had in I had as a kid, obviouslygot rid of it.
So I'm sort of, that's a bit of a gap in my yeah, I need to.
I had, I had that one behind me and obviously I was a Liverpool
fan. I am a Liverpool fan.
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What do you think? I'm a Blackburn fan.
I had that shirt as a kid in Liverpool.
Yeah, I remember. Having that, yeah.
I worked for primary school and I got it caught on a on the
fence. Oh no, I was little pulls.
Broke my heart. I've got, I've got, I've got two
more shirts for you. Yeah.
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So this is a This is a much issue.
Oh, Oh, no way. Can I have a close up on that
please Matt? Show me the badge on the sleeve
look. Most episodes.
A lot of groaning in this in this episode.
Oh boy. Double XL.
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Tino Double XL. Was he a big lad?
A sprayer was he? Talking to Buggy, you just liked
it Buggy. Just a baggy I remember.
He'd look at that. Game against Barcelona.
And it was that was on that one.I managed to get in for that
one. Wow, I was in.
I was in the 2nd row of the Gallagher ending where we
scored. I.
Remember watching that game, I was watching that game on.
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It was just, yeah. He just seemed to hang in the
air for the headers. It was just night.
Magical night. He had a hell of a spring,
didn't they? Yeah.
So the last the last shirt is actually a shit I designed for
the 30th anniversary of 442. We designed our own 442 shirt by
Admiral. You know what, I've got a story
about that man. I was on, Admiral sent me an
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e-mail today of like 10% off or something and I was looking and
I was looking at that. Go on, get involved.
Yes, there's not many of them. There's not a lot.
Only we only made a hundred of them.
So get involved. It's amazing.
It came out. So we was 442, was 30 in.
Yeah, yeah. So we had a big party, a classic
football shirts and Admiral willlike come up to altering him and
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we'll design a shirt. So me and Anne the art director,
fellow Geordie went up and did abespoke badge for us in the 442.
Because you've got, you've got some on the back of their number
on the back, isn't it? So 94 was the year we.
Yes, that's the one. Yes, we're.
Going to get that Woody yeah Wolf was formed in 94 thinking
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for the 94 World Cup thinking that England would would make it
and have a go at winning it but it didn't and they just did the
magazine anyway we. Talked about that before you
recorded, didn't we, Woody? With our Tel, our Tel on the
front of the first copy, Yeah. What I used to love about 442
is, yeah, it was obviously matchand shoot, yeah, kids or adults,
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you know, but young Jonesy getting the 442 with Big Ron's
face because it used to be a lotof issues with like their faces
right up to. Again, I remember that, yeah.
Keegan was on at the Big Ron, like yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it was it was almost like coming back from the newsagents
as a kid with the shoot and match magazines you felt with
being a kid. But if you had 442 under your
(29:59):
arm with a pack of sweet, you felt like a distinguished
gentleman, didn't you? You're like, yeah, I've moved on
now. Just just on that, I've got a
good, a good, quite a good 90s nineties story because obviously
we're through all the archive. Yeah, we had a big party at
Classic Football Shirts and going through the archive and
really just digging into this nostalgia in our office in
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London. We've got all the obviously all
the copies behind this and there's been some been some
Belter covers over the years. But we were we brought a few of
our favourite features out and did like a little special look
back. And what one feature that was in
the very first issue of 442 is called the boys a bit special,
which is just looked at up and coming young players.
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So I thought it'd be quite good for us to go interview those
those guys again. So we had, we had Peter, Peter
and Love and Nicky Sommerby, Jason Mcateer and Darren Edie
and and we managed to get back and Robbie and Robbie Elliott,
we managed to get back in touch with them and Robbie Elliott,
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obviously Newcastle fan, yeah, kind of became friends with
Robbie Elliott and he came to the came to the do classic
football shirts. He fully flew in from LA.
Wow in. LA now and he came to he came to
the party to be fair, I like to think, oh, he's coming for you
harder that you have some meetings set up in London
because he works in them works in sort of sports science, sort
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of sports science around. He's very clever, clever guy did
it did a degree after football and he's involved in that and
lives in lives in Los Angeles. But he came to the he came to
the party and we had we had PaulMerson and Ray Paula came and
did a little QA with our fans. So yeah, it was, it was a it was
a great evening. Jules Breach, who writes a
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column for 442. Yeah.
And she came and hosted it and it was in classic shirts.
And we curated the whole shop in90s.
I, I remember seeing the pictures and the videos with
Merson and Parlour with Arsenal shirts and I mean, I look like
an incredible event, but yeah, amazing.
But I mentioned, I mentioned that we I might have a little
exclusive, a little exclusive for you.
So. Yeah, yeah.
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The feature boys are bit special, which just looks at
look it just looked at young players of that of the time.
We have every issue. I think we're going to we're
going to try and bring it back. So we're working on bringing
that back. So 100%, yeah.
We've been against researching for this.
I've got some names from from the 90s.
So these are young players that we that we pulled to go.
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These are the these are the boysa bit special, so.
We mentioned that though, Jones,didn't we in the Merlin episode
that we did so within a section of the Merlin sticker album.
There was like a one the watch wasn't there, Yeah, though, like
then that the players you've named though, Matt, like they've
all had great Premier League careers or football in careers
(32:50):
in, in football. So it wasn't like any of those
names kind of dropped by the wayside.
They had great careers, didn't they?
I could test you. I could test your knowledge here
with some names. See if the.
See if you know if you. Know yeah, do it.
So obviously we had the big hitters there and Love Robbie
Elliott, Darren, Ed. Yeah.
So Sasha, throw some names, random names at you.
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Please do. Andy Orford, Have you heard him?
Oh. Andy Orford?
No. Oh, no.
Yeah, it rings a bell. Yeah, now go on.
I've got a big hitters on this call as well.
So if if this is Gary Haylock. Oh, I've heard of Gary Haylock.
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Yeah, OK. Could you name a Gary Haylock
club? Or am I getting mixed up with
Kevin Hurlock? I don't know.
Oh God. I've got an easier one for you.
You should be able to get this Danny Granville.
Yeah, Danny Granville. He.
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Had to play. Didn't he play at Birmingham
later on in the career? Yeah, yeah.
No. December 1997.
Yeah, always a professional. Danny Granville and Gus Hurdle.
Gus Hurdle No, no. Some some amazing ones.
I've got some some better ones here.
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Paolo Venaza. Paolo Venaza, yeah.
Great name, just a great. Arsenal.
Paolo Venaza. Yeah, yeah.
We do could do a couple more. Peter Fear was a good one.
Oh, Wimbledon. Yeah, crazy guy Wimbledon.
Wow, done, remember. I remember having a sticker.
Yeah, and then let's have a go in late late 90s now, Marcus,
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Big not. Yeah, Marcus, big not yes.
Oh, good one. Where did he end up?
This is the beauty of it, the godown the rabbit holes at
researching these guys. So we're going, we're going to
bring, I think we're going to doa feature and we're going to
bring, we're going to bring thisback and we're going to look
back at some of the names about the some of the names we pulled
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out. So can I take a quick little
segue to 442, Jonesy, can we do that?
Have you got any more questions on the two?
No, go for it. No.
So can I ask Matt if if you're OK to say in terms of your
layout for an issue of 442, thisOasis one, how long does it kind
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of take to release an issue? Are we, are you planning this
months in advance? Do you know what's happening
schedule wise? Yeah.
Yes, no, let me think of an example.
So where, where are we now? So we've just had so obviously
the season preview issue, yeah, is the biggest seller of the
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year for us. We speak to It's my.
Favourite. One and again, that's been going
since the 90s and we speak to fans and journalists from every
club and get it's really just sointeresting, isn't it?
You find out that you did a pulse read of every of every
club so that that went on sale. The deadline for that was the
9th of July and it went on sale on the 24th of July probably.
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Need about weeks. Probably need about four weeks
to put that together. So that gives you so four weeks
from ahead of July the 9th for an issue that goes on July the
4th. So Can you imagine asking fans
and journalists to preview the season in the middle of June
when no one. 'S, yeah.
It's a great issue to read. It's horrendous to put together,
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yeah. So do you have?
Like an idea of because I'm sureinterviewing ex footballers, our
managers or anyone associated, it's going to take some time to
get in contact, get the journalist out to see them and
plan all that kind of thing. Is that something that all
happens now like over teams and things like that or do they
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actually go out and meet the guys?
How does that kind of work? So we're a small.
Team, there's about nine of us. We'll have, we've got, we've got
three or four people just work full time on the magazine.
Yeah, a couple of a couple on the website, couple on our
YouTube channel. And so this is 2 full time
writers on the magazine. They'll do a lot of interviews
and it probably will be mainly over over phone or via Zoom.
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Occasionally we'll go in person.Like, I went in, I went in there
April to Liverpool and interviewed Duncan Ferguson for,
for and did readers questions with Duncan Ferguson.
So that's another legendary feature that's been going since
the first. Well, that's on my list, yeah.
One of the top features so Duncan had.
His book came out ghost written by Henry Winter and I was like
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I'm all over this and they sent me a proof early and the 1st
chapter is him in in prison, which is he goes straight to
that. It's straight to the heart, the
hearts of brutal. Wow, so.
We did readers questions for. Duncan and I went, I'm going to
take this. I don't do a lot of, I don't do
a lot of write in and feature write in.
I've written a few cover features and done a few bigger
and I went, let me look after big Dunk obviously in Newcastle
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90s. So, and it's a great one to do
because the readers do all the research for you.
The reader send you the questions and you just pick the
best ones out. So we went to Liverpool and went
met Duncan at the Titanic Hotel in Liverpool and normally I was
like, I need at least 45 minutes.
If you can do an hour, great. 2 1/2 hours with Dunk in the last
year. Oh.
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So was. Such a nice a nice guy like of
gold guy honest as honest, so honest.
Ridiculous. Yeah, didn't anything It was
like the questions were 5050 tackles.
He was straight through every every one of them.
Just so I love that those big ones will do in person and we've
got a really great one coming upthe next another.
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I'm coming at you and the more exclusive.
Yeah, we've got and Dan Belly onthe Osman.
Dan Belly on the front. Yeah.
Yeah. Ballogay has done the interview
with Dan Ballet. That was done over Zoom.
He was going to be in Paris, butit was done over Zoom.
Again, schedules for players. Is is is crazy.
Yeah. We get for there's a.
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Big section of the magazine thatI think your listeners will
appreciate called Players Lounge, where we interview ex
players. So it's, you know, a typical a
typical week in Players Lounge will be Glenn Hoddle, him and
Heriders and Tim Flowers, Paolo Sosa.
Like you just run. It's just that.
So those interviews, we get ahead of ourselves and we're
relying on freelancers come and going.
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So it's brilliant. You get you you get like, you
know, you get like, yeah, do you?
I've got yarn, Moby, do you needyarn for the magazine?
So you go back, you go. Have we have we done yet?
This is half the battle. Have they been in the magazine
before? Like have they done it before?
So you've got. Yeah.
Because you don't want the same things.
Mentioned again and again. Do you?
We're at the point where. Certain players we're done with.
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We've completed them. We've completed Ali Mccoist,
we've completed Jermaine Pennant, we've completed several
players. We've done everything in the
magazine. Ali Mccoist might as well have a
column in four, four series. I love Ali McCoy and.
The one thing that. Ali was, we were talking about
this morning. Where is it?
It was hard to it was hard to get him.
One point we were struggling to get him right and then we got
him. We couldn't stop it.
(40:07):
Yeah. So we've completed Ali and.
Jermaine Penins and another one we joke about.
Please no more pen if we get outfit of a penny like no sticky
Egypt. I'm joking.
So it's like. You get a lot of, we're very
reliant on freelancers coming tous, going to what I've got these
players and and we have freelancers all over the world.
So we've got Italian speakers, Brazilian speakers.
(40:28):
We've got a great interview witha new Chelsea Brazilian wonder
kid, Esteban. And that again is done by
Brazilian in Brazilian journalists done in Brazilian.
So you get a much better interview back.
Interestingly, Baloghay seems tohave done the damn belly
interview. He's speaking Spanish and the
belly speaking French back. So I.
Don't know how it's. Going to be that was the piggy
(40:50):
in the. Middle for that, literally.
That'd be incredible. Yeah.
Jonesy, is there any questions you want to ask, mate?
Yeah. Oh, I guess I was going to say.
Is there a dream interview? But you've interviewed Cheery,
didn't you? Oh God, yeah.
Yeah, asked about that. How?
Was that well? Amazing but terrifying and so it
came about through the funnily enough, because I mean, I'm
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quite enough football stickers and cards.
So in in lockdown we did a podcast called searching for
Chinese. Yep, that's how I used to be a.
Listener, we. Got sponsored by Tops for that
this, but they give us a little.So the next an ex colleague of
mine went to Tops and they had there they said, oh, we've got
we've got a couple hours of Shira up and in the northeast.
(41:37):
You want do you want 20 minutes with him?
We've locked him in a room. So I went along to a random
industrial estate in Hewitt in which is actually South of the
river. It's most you're getting on for
Sunderland territory. Interesting.
If we went there on the eve of 20 EUR 2024 and then when yeah,
you and Alan, what do you fancy?And I was like, shit.
(42:00):
So we did it. We did a EUR 96 look back.
Wow. Available on YouTube.
It's had 10s of 10s of views on YouTube, so you can still see it
if you want to go and watch it. I'm a bit terrified.
I'm a bit, you know, I'm just about holding it together.
I was going to say because you mentioned.
Obviously you're a 96 your birthday and that era, you know,
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he signs for your team afterwards and there you're
starting in the room with him. Yeah.
So they they. They were like he's up for you
know, you'll you'll do it. You want to do a career look,
and I just went into the eve of Europe 2024 that I said, can we
do a retro sort of look back at.So we walked through the
tournament from from from the dentist's chair to the to the
night we lost to Germany and Shira was tremendous,
(42:45):
tremendous, so good. That's incredible come true.
I. Mean.
And yeah, one more last one, I promise you.
No, no, carry on. Carry on so you meet your hero.
You meet your hero, what do you get signed?
That's the biggest. That's the biggest thing you
stress about. I'm looking at the shirts and
I'm like, I don't want to take the piss.
I don't want to come with an armful.
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I got one thing signed and you're going to.
I think you lines are going to love it.
You're ready for this. You'll know.
You'll know what it is as soon as I put it on.
Yeah, I think. Oh yes.
The bottle. But you know, in my mind.
I I in my mind, when you said I thought Luke was a ball, but
then I thought no, because it's that one.
Is that the one they actually did the Yeah, so.
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Again, shirts. I'm in classic football shirts
Manchester I'm buying a shirt. This is maybe 2022.
I'm buying a shirt. I'm at checkout.
They've got a bin full of these original EUR 96 and I.
Was like put one of. Them in the put one of them in
the basket. So I was like, and then my
editor James, because he's a swine.
(43:52):
He, he liked the idea, bought 1 and he's got it signed by
everyone who did the dentist chair celebration.
So he's done me. So he's done me.
So I need to get the others. I need to get McManaman, I need
Gazza, I need Redknapp and Teddysharing him.
They were the guys who did the celebration.
So that's my that's my question.But you could start a
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documentary. The dentist chair documentary
and then you could just go on search of all these players.
That would be incredible. Maybe that.
Maybe that'd be a little. Serious before I just.
Wanted to go through a couple ofthe articles of 442.
So specifically what I like thatyou've been like been consistent
with with the magazine is the mixer, which is like the kind of
football fashion kits, technology kind of side of
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things. Is that something that you kind
of look at with 90s football andthink, right, so I've got a
particular kit to focus. Does someone say, I want to look
at that kit this week or is there a particular season you
focus on? How does that kind of work?
Because the Pizza Hut kits in this one, isn't it?
(44:57):
Yeah. Did you guys know Phil?
Delves big football show. Yeah, Phil's.
So we wanted. To do something, I wanted to
introduce a it's an idea we nicked basically from our from
our sister titled Rugby World. They featured a classic rugby
shirt. And I was like, we got we got to
get in on this. So I'll contacted Phil and I
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said you're the you're the man, You know, you that you're the
best for me, the best sort of sort of there's such a thing as
a football shirt journalist. You know, Phil is, yeah,
amazing. And I said, do you?
Want to? I said.
I'd love to sort of Commission you to write the year's worth of
and you pick the shirts. And so Phil came out and we did
it in all in advance. So Phil picked out the shirts
(45:37):
and we picked a couple of those.I snuck my snook a Newcastle one
in there already. Already as a Fulham fan, I do
fair. I think Phil picked the Fulham
pizza Pizza Hut shit anyway. But then there's some some some
really random, you know, really.Let's have a look.
I mean, you've got Gambo Osaka 1993, Mizuno, Panasonic,
(45:58):
Fiorentina, home feeling Nintendo, we're doing nonce
197879. And.
We got in touch with classic shirts, who we've become sort of
made to classic shirts and they,we, they sent us the shirts down
to photographs. So we had them in a studio and
nicely photographed shirt. Awesome.
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So that takes care of itself, Phil right to that.
And we've got the photographs already done.
And the mixer is a collaborationbetween myself and the art
director, Anth. So throughout the course of the
month, we're in a, we're in a place now where we get a lot of
PRS and press releases through for various products.
It's sort of know us. And I think my mind and his
details are on the page. If you've got anything for the
mixer, Instagram us and we just compile everything and then puts
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down what he thinks looks the best because he's got the eye
for the for the layout. And then I write the words.
So that's how it works. And we find it's all now like
just capsule collections and nostalgic stuff.
Like for that Oasis issue, they re released the Umbro drill drop
drill top Leo on stage of main road.
Yeah, they re released the Penfold Penfield raincoat that
(47:09):
no war yeah on stage as well. So that's been re released.
It's also re releases and capsules.
And there was a cool one this, this this month actually, which
was a Lotto did a festival shirtfor Tram Lines Festival and
another. What's the one in there?
Is that the Sheffield one? Tram Lines, Sheffield, Yeah,
yeah. There's another one in
Derbyshire. And they did a cool thing where
Lotto designed the shirt for thefestival, but you could only
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pick it up on site at the festival.
So it was like to make it even rarer.
So you pre-ordered it and you collected it on site and that
was you. You should.
So loads of cool things like this just sort of and then if we
see something on Instagram, we've got a little Slack
channel. If we see somewhere on
Instagram, we paste the link in.Then when we get to do the page,
we pull it all together and it'slike best, best of the best.
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And then. Probably the the next the last
one that I want to mention, Matt.
So thank you for your detail on this.
So far it's been incredible games that changed my life.
That's my favourite I think every year because the Razor
Ruddock one I've read recently, obviously in this episode.
I mean, I think that's probably the thing that football fans
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kind of want to know. We as fans always talk about
games that change our lives or impact us.
So like you've said about the kind of Scotland, England game
and EUR 96, it's really nice to read it from a player's
perspective because you don't necessarily know how much it
impacts them. Yeah, you know what the
(48:38):
interesting. Thing with that is we've done a
few recently and I think Gordon Strachan and Owen Hargreaves, I
think they picked more games they lost and then it would
right I. Can pick the game where he lost
like 5. One or something, I'm sure that
was him. They sort of won't bloom at
1:00, but this but some of them he said and then you sort of
think, oh wow, you would think they bought a score hat trick
and I did this actually, no, like that game was my wake up
(49:00):
call or that game was, you know,changed his log in in to the end
for me. Yeah, so that's a it's a it's a
it's a really great 1 so I'm glad you picked out that one.
Cool. Jonesy, any questions?
No, that's it. Listen to these all these
stories all day, mate. Yeah, yeah, it's all good.
OK, Matt, thank you ever so muchfor your time mate.
(49:23):
Really, really appreciate it. We're really looking forward to
obviously I'm I'm going to get the season review magazine
shortly, but really appreciate it.
Thanks ever so much for sharing your memories and insights into
the 442 Magazine. It's been.
Brilliant. It's been brilliant.
It's looked great visually. And it's been great.
(49:44):
So yeah, wicked. Thanks.
Right. Just for those that are
listening or that are watching this on YouTube, if anyone would
like to find you on social mediavia the magazine, how can they
find you mate? Yeah, so obviously.
Follow 442 we're everywhere you'll you'll find us if you
type 442 and if you want to follow me catch all FC on
Instagram and just catch all on Twitter.
(50:06):
Perfect. Nice.
One thank you ever so much for being a guest.
Yeah, but I really. Appreciate it.
Thank you for your time. There we go.
How? Was that guys that?
Was Matt Ketchel from 442 magazine Jonesy?
Like, if we had another two hours of Matt's time, I think
(50:27):
we'd still be unhappy. Is that right?
Jonesy needs to sort out his. Standing order for 442 Magazine.
Just a big lie on the wall at 442 magazine, mate like just I
love this kind of inside the factory kind of thing about I
love it that it's obviously a magazine we grew up like reading
(50:50):
and stuff and it's still going, you know there's.
Magazines that come have gone, and that's.
Yeah, yeah. Big part of a childhood.
Yeah. That was great, but that again
mate, makes. Me think like how good was match
and shoot like I wish they would.
I know Match magazine is still kind of going now it's shoot.
(51:10):
Is magazine still going? Is it shoot monthly?
I don't know. I don't know.
Can't get magazines over here mate.
I went into shop today disappointed but getting back to
it, you think as well, he said. You know, it takes 4.
Was it four weeks to do a magazine?
You think back then, the weekly Match and Shoot magazine,
obviously they weren't as big. I mean, yeah, but.
Getting those interviews. And stuff.
(51:31):
I know, yeah. I'd literally be panic and going
right Chuck in another crosswordquick.
Matt Letizzierei cancelled. Imagine being back now, you
know. If you could go for work
experience, where would you go? You can go.
Yeah, that's brilliant. Though really enjoyed that one.
Yeah, I I really did. And yeah, the the kind of
(51:52):
stories and I think what we we said about this many a time on
the pod day, but it's. Those little memories.
That Matt mentioned, like going to the Odeon with his dad and
watching the game was just as big an occasion as going to
Saint James's Park. I love stuff like that.
Like that is what football is all about.
(52:13):
It's kind of reignited a little bit more of a fire within me
about the Premier League season,mate.
I know we spoke about this before.
Are we excited about the seasonsstarting?
Yeah, you know what? I'm going to give it a go.
You're going to give it a go. What are?
You watching at the moment for the listeners mate?
Are you are you delving into English football?
(52:33):
I watched a bit. Of championship.
I watched Wrexham last week. Blackburn.
But as I said, Nah. Obviously didn't watch the
robbers taped it. No, but like I said.
Obviously going like. I watched the German, the Bund,
there's five, Bundesliga, I'm opening my horizons, Welsh
Premier League started, so I'm trying to get my head around
(52:56):
everything. Yeah, it's a bit hard with the
time difference here, but it's got to make it work.
How about you? What are you excited for?
Yeah, I mean well. Firstly, what am I excited for?
Crikey, we saw the other day that the Championship are
releasing A Panini sticker album.
That huge for me. Are you going to go down to the
newsagents and get? Yeah, for the little box on the
(53:17):
counter, do you have the stickers in?
Yeah. And for those listening, and.
Watching. I will have a table outside my
apartment, so if you would like to come at 2:00 PM every
Wednesday, I will be running a Woody swap shop.
I'll send you my post code all right, I mean.
Back when, you know, I had the Football League, I think it was
the 96. Sticker book.
(53:39):
Yeah, I think we talked about the sticker book collection, how
we just collect everything. That was when I saw that was
released the the EFL one, that'sa massive, it's a bit of a
different. Twist, isn't it?
It's almost like they've gone. The kids want Merlin.
Bring it back. Yeah, I know it's Panini, but it
kind of has that kind of old school shinies, you know, it has
(54:02):
that different effect. Yeah.
Loving it, Jonesy. I'm still in.
I'm still on cloud 9 from our episodes, if I'm honest.
What sort of episodes have we got coming up for our wonderful
listeners, viewers for the startof this season?
I mean, we've we've been going strong, right?
We haven't had a preseason. Yeah.
(54:24):
Yeah, we've got so much coming up and we've got to, we've got
to get into the start of the seasons.
I think the listeners might wantanother Kit episode.
I think they might. I just, I've got a feeling, you
know, going to say. Last week's episode, I think
it's going to be when it's all said and done, one of our
highest rated episodes. So I thank you so much for
(54:45):
everyone who listened. Thank you.
We had fun with that one, didn'twe?
Yeah. Thumbs up, thumbs down.
We did worry though, didn't we? After, as soon as we recorded,
we were like, whoa. We chatted for over an hour and
what was it, 20? I was going to put that.
Episode into three parts. The way it was going, we're
going to release the trilogy. Three.
Yeah, yeah. Make you all wait.
Three weeks for the entire episode.
(55:08):
Yeah, for those of you that aren't a Wimbledon West Ham fan,
you got to wait till the end. But like we when we do this,
the. Episode.
The time flies by so we don't realise till we finish it.
We're like, whoa. Like that's how much fun we
have. Isn't it?
It's like we just keep, you know, went to our 24 hour
marathon episode. Yeah, I mean. 90s Premier League
(55:29):
bombs. I'm not editing that.
It's 3:00 AM. I'm not editing.
I'm not. Editing that, that's just going
out as it is, mates. But again, this is a plea to our
listeners and and viewers. So firstly, thank you again for
feedback the comments we're reading, we see everything we
(55:50):
see the comments you put on YouTube yeah Spotify, anything
you send us it's been incredibleand the ones the ones I don't
see I. Send to you, you send to me.
And it makes us yeah, yeah, is happy, doesn't it?
It does a. Little Spring and our step.
Yeah, we're, we're bringing stuff.
Back to you guys and that's whatwe want to keep doing.
So if you've got any more suggestions for pod ideas, if
(56:11):
you want to come on for a time added on episode or any slots
you want us to feature, get in touch.
We've got plenty of channels to do so and we love air,
absolutely. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thank you So. Much.
All right, Woody, where can theyfind you?
If they want to get in touch, they can find me on.
Instagram only at Woody W 1988 What about you?
(56:33):
Sorry, I thought you all saw youon.
TikTok the other day oh, sorry Jonesy, I told you that was an.
Exclusive and that exclusive canonly be revealed.
That's the burner account. But.
It's like I've joined strictly like oh, what is on TikTok?
Oh, quick. And I've just said football Dot
Jonesy Yeah. And yeah.
And the pod is at that 90s Premier League podcast on the
(56:56):
Instagram. Yeah, if you want to buy
yourself. A shirt for the new season, as
we did discuss last week on the season review, we do also have
our 10% discount code, which is also on the pod page.
So I've seen there's some Krakenshirts actually today the
Germany anniversary shirt is on there at the moment.
(57:18):
The added astrofoil. So Woody might be treating
himself. But yeah, we look forward to
speaking to you, seeing you all on our next episode.
So thanks ever so much, guys. Thank you.
All right. Take it easy.
See ya.
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