Lets talk Subbuteo with @subbuteobrummie

In this episode of That 90s Premier League podcast, we welcome Ross AKA @subbuteobrummie from Instagram to the pod to show off his incredible collection and to discuss the legendary game Subbuteo and all it's nostalgia and its impact on our childhoods. We explore the significance of football kits, share personal stories about their experiences with Subbuteo, and delve into the community surrounding the game.

Once again a massive thanks to @subbuteobrummie for coming on and sharing his collection and stories.

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Episode Transcript

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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, the
Champions, the Champions, the Champions, the champion game.

(00:26):
Hello and welcome back to that 90s Premier League podcast.
I believe today is episode 12, so I'm going to give a warm
Sabuti. Yo, welcome to Jonesy.
First of all hello, how you doing?
Good mate, Good. Was going to say it.
Looking forward to this one. Honestly, I feel like a kid at

(00:47):
Christmas today. And no pressure on you, Ross,
but we obviously have a guest with us today, Ross Sabutio
Brummie, introduce yourself mate.
How you doing? I'm not too bad guys, I'm really
honoured and appreciate for being voted to your your pocket.
The honour is all ours. Yeah, mate, honestly, yeah,

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honestly and and the listeners, if you haven't checked out this
is superior Brummies Instagram page, you are missing out.
Yeah, it is amazing, Absolutely.And we're going to talk about
it. Aren't we going to get into
everything? Jonesy, go.
Let's just tease the listeners with what's on store for today's
show mate all. Right.
So what we're going to do, we'regoing to go into everything

(01:30):
Sabutio, aren't we? Yeah, I mean, there's so much to
talk about with Sabutio and I know Ross, we'll, we'll let you
loose very shortly. But honestly, mate, yeah, from
the the reasons why me and Jonesy set this pod up and
Jonesy, I'm sure you will agree chap, that nostalgia is the main

(01:51):
pinpoint focus of reason why we're doing this.
And it's such a huge community in terms of being able to talk
to people about football stickers, cards, shirts,
sabutio. And This is why we love what we
do, because we're able to speak to geniuses like yourselves that
just have that fascination and that hobby that is just

(02:13):
incredible. So we are very much looking
forward to this, Jonesy. Where do we start, my friend?
What are we all wearing? Oh, what are we wearing, right?
Ross. Yeah.
Ross, you want to go first, mate?
What are you wearing, mate? So the 9596 flash 97 Aston Villa

(02:35):
home shirt we won league coppingin 96.
Yeah, there'll be a few people that will remind us that it's
the last time Villa won a major trophy and I know it's forget
about that Ross. Don't worry about.
It don't worry. Yeah, don't worry about it, man.
Yeah, there's we've won, we've won the few trophies, but hey,
oh, is it a long time ago, but Ihave noticed I think we're very

(02:58):
much Blackburn Rovers, Alan Shearer aficionados, because I
can say I know where one would they join Jeff as?
Well, isn't it? Yeah.
And. It's worked out well.
It's on. But yeah, I used to.
I mean, we'll get on to it, but Alan Shearer is a big part of
growing up in the 90s, that he was the reason I got into

(03:19):
football, yeah. Yeah, missed the 90s, wouldn't
he? Yeah.
I mean, the shirt you're wearing, Ross, to me screams
Milosevic and Dwight York. Yes.
Jonesy, what about you? Yeah, yeah, absolutely the same
as well. I actually love that shirt.
I I rate the the Reebok era going from Essex as well to the

(03:41):
Reebok, Yeah. What do you think about that?
Were you a Essex fan? I've got a couple of them
actually. I love the it's a bit of a
Marmite 1 the the green like a red. 1.
It's such a. It's that's a podcast favour,
isn't it? Yeah, yeah, absolutely
beautiful. If anything screams not is it's

(04:01):
that shirt, Yeah, I'm going to have some success in that with
that, with the home shirt as well.
Again, winning the League Cup init and we had some really like
court hero figures. The lots of Dean Saunders likes
wearing it and it was during thebig red Atkinson era.
So the 90s was a a really good era for for Villa few few ones

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after. So again, that's why some, well,
from my point of view, so nostalgic about that whole
decade, to be fair. What I'm really pleased with
though, from a Aston Villa perspective, I'm sure this
echoes amongst a lot of the fans, is that there has been a
bit more of a resurgence in the effort in their kits over the
last couple of seasons. Yeah, the the club as a whole,

(04:43):
since we've got promoted, the end was since 2019.
You transcended it. Yeah.
You know, I've seen one or two things are posted this year.
This has been my favourite season as a bit of fun.
The memories we've are just, yeah, by Munich, the win against
PSG, I mean, even though we wentout, we still get roamed.

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The atmosphere absolutely incredible.
We've had some amazing memories done a couple of we've done
well. I went to Bruges, did the an
away trip there as well. So that was my first brilliant,
which is amazing. But you're right guys, the
effort on the kids now where we've added us is chalk and
cheese because we've had some, we had the days of Macron.
Yeah, that was yeah. Stick it in the washing machine.

(05:27):
It's rude. Whereas the last ones there,
they last a lot longer and yeah.Yeah.
And the deal we've added us as well, you've probably seen in
this week, we've just released the away strip.
Yeah. Never released the kit like at
the back end of the season I can't remember for.

(05:47):
Before a season finishes as well.
And to wear it, I think we're going to wear it, Old Trafford.
On Sunday. Oh wow.
Cannot record that at all. And the home kit this season is
my favourite. I think it's just classic.
Apparently the one next for nextseason is paying homage to the
Halt End and there's a rumour that it might have.
You know, on our 90 shirts we'vegot these graphics.

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There might be a Halt End graphic on it.
Brilliant. So that'd be real if that's the
case. I personally, I don't know what
you think James, but I think this season's kits from a Villa
perspective were probably up there with the top of the
Premier League this year. Yeah, I agree.
Absolutely. Yeah, I was a fan of them.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's that is
lovely stuff, mate. Jonesy, what are you wearing,

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mate? Well, if you haven't noticed, we
we, we're the box, aren't we? We actually.
And yours? You're Stuart Ripley.
Yeah, that was the whole point, Ross.
We wanted to kind of sandwich you in a Sabutio box today
because we had the other option,didn't we?
We did. Yeah, Yeah.
Which was my first set actually this was it.

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Yeah, we try and plan it, don't we Woody?
We try and plan. It we do, we do.
So you're wearing the the Essex Newcastle 1993 to 95 home shirt,
Mcclellan's Lager. I've got the star one at the
back there. But yeah, going off the box.
Peter Bearsley About you, Woody.Well, I'm Mcewan's lager as
well, mate. So I mean, this is becoming a

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little bit spooky, Jonesy. It's like we, it's like we plan
this every week, right? We're after sponsorship, ASICS
and Mcewan's Lager. I'm wearing the Blackburn.
What is it? Blackburn 9495, isn't it?
96, yeah. But then I've probably got the
96.1 because it's got the Champions Pat underneath.

(07:37):
So guys, if you're if you're watching this on YouTube, Jonesy
is an employee of Footlocker andI'm trying to look my my best in
my Alan Shearer esque shirt. But yeah, these are Premier
League shirts in their prime. If you are not watching YouTube,
get on it. Come on.

(07:57):
Absolutely, yeah. All right, what's next mate?
I think we're going to go to. Start of the week.
Where has that music come from? I do a lot, I do a lot of

(08:18):
digging, mate, to get these. Is that fanfare?
It is, isn't it? Oh yeah, God.
Right. Well, that's given me a little
bit of a build up for start of the week.
Thank you very much. Right.
It's a Sabutio episode, so it would be remiss of me to even
forget anything Sabuti related in this stat.
So I've thoroughly enjoyed research in Sabutio this week

(08:40):
and one of my favourite stats isa chap called Andrea and I'm
going to try and pronounce his name right.
Pickalusia. Forgive me if I'm completely
wrong Ross, but obviously in 1970 he was a 15 year old
Sabutio player that ensured his Sabutio finger for £25,000, am I

(09:02):
right? Yeah, that rings a bell.
Now what I'm amazed at is how serious, and we're going to get
onto this in a great detail later, how serious this game has
become or was as well. Another one of my because he's
deemed as one of the greatest Sabutio players of all time.

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Now personally, as a 10 year old, I thought that was me.
I'm disheartened. I'm disheartened to see my name
is not on Google. Andreas is.
But obviously there is also a chap called Peter Sakowski who
in 1970 was the first World Cup winner representing Germany.

(09:45):
Is that right? You've caught me off guard
there. No.
Now this is where you're going to learn about the beauty of
community now, communities within communities.
Oh God. You're going to have the players
unity in itself, the collectors like myself, and you've got the
people that are just generally all rounded into it.

(10:07):
So I've from a collector's pointof view all day, you could name
or you could say yourself what they're saying.
You were like the champion last year and I'll be.
Like keep that low, but I'm. Going to go along with it and
say I think so. On my start of the week, Ross,
are we saying there is gang warfare between Sabutio

(10:30):
collectors, Sabutio players within the community?
There's a bit of a it goes back a decade to beauty.
Oh, so there's a generation thatobviously grew up with it when
it first came out and then obviously started playing the
game. There's a bit of a snobbery with
like the older generation. I'll probably get this now, but
it's pretty well known where they think like there's the old

(10:54):
rules style of play, like the old role and then there's a new
role of play and then there's like the the newer generation.
I mean, I'll say newer generation.
I mean Berties, aren't we? Yeah, it's there's definitely
not a divide, but there's more interest in the collector side
from collectors and then it's from a playing side.

(11:15):
It's whatever close that person spoke really my points of view.
He's just literally the collection.
Of yeah, Jonesy, I I thought we had a world exclusive there
mate. I thought we could literally,
you know, turn this into CNM because.
There's so many on in particularsince 2020 and since lockdown

(11:39):
and stuff. I loaded the communities grow
and I got into and we'll probably go into it shortly, but
I've got into it more during that miracles.
Yeah. You were stuck in your house.
You went into your loft and you got all your, you had a look at
all your collectibles. So that's how it snowballed
again for me. But then there's obviously
Facebook groups that have been developed off the back of it in.

(11:59):
Yeah, yeah. And you see sometimes that
people have got a difference of opinion and it's good.
It's good not. Healthy at times, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's not a one source fits all opinions on the
way that the game should be playing and stuff.
I won't get into that because I don't have a Scooby to be of

(12:21):
equity of the collectors really and just stuff and be like, I
love that, I want that. Yeah, right.
That or whatever. Well hold, hold that thought
whilst Jonesy holds the Backpage.

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All right, hold the Backpage. I could not find anything
Supergio related on the Backpageunfortunately, but let's park it
for now and let's have a look atMonday 24th 1996.
We all have Alan Shearer, don't we?
Well, maybe 24th. Nineteen, 96939 minutes known
goals. So England will stumble into
Euro 96 with their top striker rated the worst in European

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football. So Alan Shearer's agony now
stretches through an incredible 939 minutes of goalless
frustration. He fell to score against China
here in Beijing, and this Pekingduck makes it 12 internationals
in 20 more months since he last celebrated an England goal.
Do you remember this going into Euro 96?
Yeah, sure is that. I think I do, yeah.

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That, I mean, that is absolute blasphemy in terms of how
they're slating him there. Ross isn't.
It I was going to say like the the press just happened, right?
Yeah, sorry. It's incredible because I, I
think even Alan Shearer's admitted that Terry Venables
said to him Price at all and said no matter what, even if you
don't score up, it's at all even#1 striker so and what absolute

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Peace of Mind. Yeah, I love Altal.
I mean, that's incredible that Yeah, I love.
It on that, on that, on that Backpage as well.
There's just a picture of Terry Venables talking to Alan Shearer
and it says Venables stood consoling Shearer.
They just sound a chat. Yeah, yeah.
You had the end though, didn't? It absolutely.

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So then we're just going through, yeah, sorry, go on.
No, that's fine. I was going to say when was his
first goal? It was a Switzerland penalty.
He. Was yeah.
Yeah, sorry. His last goal before that was
September 1994 at Wembley against USA.
That's the time he scored. So it's 15 hours and 39 minutes.
It's somebody. I don't think he was he was he

(14:29):
coming? He was coming back from an
injury in the first season, wasn't he?
9293? Yeah, yeah.
Lame, weren't he? So it might like he was out
injured. That is pretty bad though, isn't
it? Yeah, I mean run that he had so.
Much stick. Yeah, I mean, I do remember it,
Jonesy, but like now you say it in minutes, hours, and then you

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mentioned the season, like, yeah, that's a problem.
So that that run surpassed the previous work worst run, which
was by Paul Mariner from June 1982 to October 1983.
So yeah, there are 938 nine minutes without a goal for
England. There you go.

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So that was on this day. Only needed a bit of faith from
Venables though, and it's still shown through.
That's that's like you said Ross.
That's class man management though, isn't it?
Right. It's a shame it didn't result in
US winning it at the end, but that's.
The problem? Yeah, right.
You're right. Right, Jonesy, thank you for
that. Maybe anymore.
No, that's it. That's it.

(15:36):
That's just going through it. Yeah, I mean, going through
that. So that was pretty much a run up
to you're in 96, you know, the press, which is hammering and
like they were just given the hard time.
So yeah, I just thought, you know, we love Shira, so let's
just talk about him. What I found from like your
whole the back pages every week,mate, like the more I've kind of
obviously I've matured now I don't look at headlines as you

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know, the shocking kind of thing.
I just look at the fact of how the British media, just like
hounded players, managers, like after every game or every
moment. It's such a negative space,
wasn't it? It's.
Brutal. Like going through the Yeah,
some of them like. That's amazing.
Well, I like that one. Try and pick the nice ones.

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It'd be good if you do. We're a positive podcast, aren't
we? Are we are right?
Go. Let's get into it.
Let's get into some subutio, right, Ross, Just give us a
brief overview, mate of firstly how you were introduced into the
world of Sabutio and kind of what kind of kick started what

(16:45):
you do. Because obviously you briefly
touched on COVID, which is probably the foundation of many
of our collections. But just tell the listeners
etcetera how you got into it first mate.
So it was the, I think it was back in 96, Christmas 96, my dad
got me for Christmas and this isstill the original boy we're.

(17:07):
Just. Talking about that trophy as
well. If it's the best part of it,
literally it's the best thing toget.
But yeah, I got that Christmas that and that was it.
I was hooked. I was hooked in the 90s to a
point there when my dad would inmy dad, it was a massive
influence on me, got me into supporting the Villa football

(17:30):
obviously a big part of that andthen that's when you started to
collect the teams and stuff. So you'd then end up going to
shops like BT's and get the teams.
So she just like BT's. BT's.
Oh, where? You go from.
Yes I job BT's was my main supplier of sabutio.
I can't remember. I don't think we had them in

(17:50):
Wales. Did you not, Jane, Who was your
supplier? Jamesy, who was your dealer?
Toys R Us, I think. Toys R Us, Jeffrey.
All under one roof, OK. Another one where you could get
more. That's how it was.
And then started getting more ofthe sets of the teams, the
accessories. One thing I never had, which I

(18:13):
really wanted and I got, and it's only took for me to be an
adult to actually get one, to get some of these grandstand,
but that was the dream. Yes.
The collective groan of the grandstand.
When you were a kid you've obviously get £2 them a week
pocket money so you can't. Afford.
Well, how much would they have been?

(18:35):
Ross, Those grandstands do you? Can you remember?
God, the grandstands themselves,I'm not too sure.
I've got a feeling about 1299, maybe something like that.
I mean the teams were like 7-8 pound.
Yeah. Why not?
I've even been too much for different than that.
Now if you do try and get them off eBay completely chalk and
cheese anything. Literally anything from one

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that's all broke into bits to like a pristine.
Did they ever do themed stands or was it just the kind of
template of? So you can see up there that was
the traditional green grandstand.
Yeah, that one that was releasedthrough the 70s and 80s.
Yeah. And as we entered the 90s, and
I've got it somewhere, I would do here it is.

(19:21):
So this is one of my favourite sets.
You. Can see.
Yeah, that's against the USSR. That's the euro 88.1 isn't.
It in the final mean that guys, you as shirt collectors know
just how much that shirt's worth.
Yeah. It's going to say, listeners,
there's going to be a lot of groaning and mining, and so you

(19:46):
have to watch it visually because some of the things we're
going to be showing, yeah. Listen to it after 9:00 PM It's.
A good job. Hi, misses up.
He's at work. This was grandstand edition.
And then you can see the red andblue.
Look at that. 90s variation so there's only ever 2 grandstand

(20:08):
versions during those eras. The red and blue one's really
nice. It's smart, but everyone I think
can agree that's just. Yeah, that's incredible.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, so I can remember as a kid, obviously I didn't have the
stands. I used to have the classic green
picket fences with the sponsors.Yeah, yeah, yeah.

(20:31):
Which, Oh yeah. With like the little brown like
things used to slot them in. I loved those because I felt
like that was part of my stadium.
But then I spoke to me and Jonesy had spoken to a few
people off air before we recorded this, and a lot of my
background of stadiums turned into me building little ones out
of Lego. Oh cool.

(20:52):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So I used to do little corner stands and little ones out of
that. But like a few of the lads said
that I spoke to you that you'd run out of the same colour
brick. You would obviously have like a
few red rows and then a blue rowand then a yellow row.
And yeah, I think it was Sabuto for me kind of stirred the

(21:14):
creative imagination. If you couldn't afford to get
that grandstand with Rudd Hollett on, like what could you
do? Like what could you then make to
still make it that kind of? It's I'll tell you what was and
it's a good point at his mate and I'm thinking back now or
would use what you did with the fence, but use those Corinthian
pro styles as like spectators, like around around it, creative

(21:41):
you for whatever random reason, some cars, little cars around
it, whatever, but you do you. Your childhood imagination just
takes you to just far. Incredible, isn't it?
But it's because, I mean, what child could get a grandstand and
have a stadium at that time? You just, you couldn't no the
dream. So that's the beauty now of
being a boy. 'S dream, wasn't it?

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Exactly. Jonesy, over to you mate.
Yeah. So do you remember what?
So that was your first set. Do you remember what teams?
What were your first teams? So my the first ones I then got,
I got the the England, the 96 shirt.
Obviously you're a 96.1 Aston Villa, obviously.

(22:24):
And then and then I think it wasArsenal.
I think it was the that would because it was, there would have
been 1996. So it'd have been the yeah, that
JVC shirt. Obviously they had it through
that whole era. But I've got a couple of Arsenal
sets. Man United, obviously on the
pegs it was all Man United, so quite a few of them.
Yeah. And then he just.

(22:48):
And I think there was a few moreinternational teams as well, but
during that period there was the, yeah, Woody's going to like
this. So you'd get the rule from your
league. So yeah, there's your Sheffield.
Wednesday. What is that 9596?
That one. It is correct.
Yeah, yeah, I could just tell. Good eyesight mate.

(23:10):
These ones. So these were the first
iterations which I think the boxis nice small on the smaller.
Yeah, I've got a box here that Iwant to compare because you've
got the because I've got the chef for Wednesday 9394 here,
right, so. So yeah, you've got the one.
The yeah, So I think, if I'm completely honest, I think your

(23:33):
box you've just showed there with the Premier League emblem
is way more creative and interesting, isn't it, Jonesy?
That's what caught my eye as a kid, that Premier League badge.
Yeah, it just separated the clubs and the leagues, didn't
it? A bit more.
Did they ever do themed ones forother like leagues?
Ross? Said Leagues No.

(23:53):
Yeah, I never. It was like Premier League just
kind of did like a sponsorship thing with them, didn't they?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, 90, yeah, 95. Now you see, I think I sent you
advert Woody that when we were. Yeah.
And then I just remember. Yeah, going into the shot and
seeing I think the Premier League badge made it more I want
this. It's Premier League like the

(24:15):
boxes as well. The obviously the the the Leeds,
Liverpool One and Blackburn, Newcastle, that box.
Yeah, I need that. I need the addition and the
Premier League trophy as well. Far out.
Does that come with a Premier League trophy, Ross?
The one you've got in the Liverpool League One.
Yeah, each and the the the otherone with this is where you're

(24:39):
planning is done brilliant because with your shirts, Yeah,
so that one as well. Well done Jamesy.
For this one, this I think it's.Yeah, that's used to love it.
Can you? Yeah.
Do you have the balls? Do you have the ball there,
Ross? I can get it open, lads.
Oh. He's opening a box, right,
Jamesy? Oh.

(25:02):
It's like corner flags as well. Yes.
You need some like, Barry White music to be playing over this
now, Jonesy. It's like opening the box.
Oh yeah. So.
You haven't just broken a seal for us live on air though, have
you, Ross? Look.

(25:23):
At that, it's all set up. You had the plastic.
Taking me back now look at that.As with that Yu-gi-oh set, it
was this traditional red and blue and.
Then yeah. Here we go.
So I'll put it to camera. So there's the mortar.

(25:44):
Oh yeah, What? Your one would do.
Yeah. Does that disappoint you as a a
collector and obviously as a kidwhen you had the picture and
Jonesy, this is a question for you too.
When you looked at the box rightand you add the Stuart Ripley
and the Beardsley, were you expecting it to be Blackburn and
Newcastle within the box or wereyou disappointed with it being

(26:04):
red and blue teams? I can't remember.
This is this house when I was a kid, When I was a kid, I first
got into football. I only fought because pro action
football. Don't you remember that?
Yeah. On the box you had the red and
blue teams. Yeah, we thought that was it.
I thought James Red and yeah, yeah, there's any more and you
96 come along and say, oh, OK, this this opened up the whole

(26:26):
thing. Yeah, that's, I know, but that's
probably a ploy from Subuto to get you to buy the teams.
Well, do you think that it was either a ploy to do it or do you
think it was a missed opportunity as in selling the
pitch, the ball and the cup separately in a pack and then
making the person then buy the teams they wanted?

(26:47):
Interestingly, the set I've justshowed you, they've also
released a smaller version of that, but by the teams without
the pitch and without the goals.So they were just selling, as
you can see there, they can do it just about see, so you got
the Wolves and the referees and the corner flags.
So they would they actually soldthat as a separate set in

(27:08):
itself. I thought they did, you know?
I know I've been trying to get aset of.
I nearly bought 1 a few weeks ago.
I just didn't get around to it. But yeah, you there.
You go, Jamesy. Yeah.
It's the Prem. Trophy.
Tell you what, I was so happy when I had that as a kid.
I think it's just, it's just thebest.

(27:29):
It's just attention to detail and then, yeah.
Look at those corner flags. Ref in the actual Premier
League. I can still feel that.
Do you know what I mean? As a kid, like when you're
holding up that corner flag, I just remember how delicate like
it was to sort of hold and put in the corner and.
So. Wow.
So easy to pay. This is beautiful.

(27:50):
They were delicate, but the set you showed with the firm, Jenson
on the front, that was, yeah. That was box art was used.
Yeah. Years and years and years.
And then there any addition to obviously the Premier League
one. Yeah.
And it was very much kept that design, just without the badge
on. Then that was it then until the

(28:12):
end of the 90s, yeah. Jonesy, have you got any more?
Have you got any questions mate on that off the back of that?
Oh, just the yeah, as I said, I just remember the Premier League
once. Drew, do you have the World Cup
94.1? I don't, you know, that's one
set I haven't got. I haven't got the 94 but I have.
Because the boxers used to get me in that World Cup.

(28:33):
You ever seen the World Cup 9410?
You haven't got it, have you already?
I have, yeah. Here we go.
Give me two seconds. Talk amongst yourselves.
Yeah, yeah, the boxers. That's what caught my eye,
especially going in that PremierLeague era as well.
Yeah, I was just had to have it.Down here as well.

(28:58):
This is when it starts getting messy now.
Oh. Sorry, I should have had this
out only because I thought this would probably have been 1 you
had but that one. Oh, that's the one.
Yeah. Yeah, yes.
Which of the World Cup come withthe World Cup or let's?
Have a look. No, it comes with SO.

(29:21):
So it's the USA, isn't it? I think it's yeah.
So the USA 93 kit, which is the three stripe over the shoulder
and then the Germany 92, which is obviously the one on the
front here, yes, excludes excusethe Ratlin, obviously, I've just
literally pulled out of everything just but Oh my God,

(29:43):
do you know what now? I didn't actually, and this this
is an arrogance, right? I bought this from a pure
collector's perspective as in tojust look at it right.
I've now I've opened the box before and I've had a look, but
now I'm talking through on this right.
I've got like the the goals and the Nets, the balls as well,

(30:06):
like the USA 94 ball. Set.
Set it up mate. Set it up on the pod, no.
I'll come back in a minute and I'll have I'll have a quick game
and then I'll come back. That's but yeah, yeah.
Because. There was a, there was a EUR 96
one as well, wasn't there? There was indeed.
Ross, have you got that? Because I've got it too, but I
don't want to break my my back. That's the one, yes.

(30:30):
Yeah, look at that. See.
Was very similar to more 94.1 Woody.
The boxes are what dragged me inthe box out.
I mean, I'm a sucker. That's yeah, it's just I
remember seeing that in a Toys-R-Us and I was the site.
I don't care. I've already got one I want.
I want that because of the box. Yes, well, the Italian 91 is
beautiful as well, Ross, isn't it?

(30:51):
Have you? Oh.
I've got a couple of them. So we've got God.
This is like it's planned, isn'tit?
So they're wow. Yeah.
Purely because of the the logo at the bar.
Literally. Yeah, the yeah, 100%.
It's still overlook at that. So there's that one, but I've

(31:12):
got which was a recommission of the 1986 World Cup, but they
literally just resold it again for Italian 90, but then just
put a sticker on it. So it's a.
It's from. We have got filth live on air
here Jamesy this is. So they were clever.

(31:32):
It was obviously load to get ridof.
So they just thought, well, we're used to saying, but we'll
just put a sticker on it. But what I love about these
though, is that because again, when we just said about the
Premier League bumper pack, we'll call it that obviously had
red and blue teams, but these ones, this has got Germany and
USA. Yeah.
So that's, that's incredible. And one I showed you earlier has

(31:57):
three teams in it and it's got. I think.
It's got Germany, yeah, Holland.I think it might be Italy.
I could be wrong. I could be wrong.
Three team. Brilliant.
They did. They did do it.
But I think the more basic set, I'll show you an example
actually like this is just a smaller one, but that's I.

(32:20):
Don't think that, Rangers. Yeah, who's that on the front?
So I thought that was Gaza. It's not Rangers fan is.
That loud drop. Or no.
That's a Google it. Before I wasn't sure who when I
bought it I thought oh it's Gazza but no it's not.
I don't know who it is. It might, that might be Ian

(32:41):
Durant. Maybe it looks a little bit like
him from a distance, but again Ihaven't got me my monocle in so
I can't see from there. Put it to your listeners, yeah.
So from a collector's angle, what's what's the most kind of
rare rare want to get? Oh yes.
So the rarest, the most valuableset you can get is not from the

(33:04):
90s, it's from the 70s. It's called a Munich set.
It's when it was the 19 for World Cup.
I should say it's, it's an incredible piece of kit.
To be fair. The box work and the artwork is
just phenomenal, so different, but they can fetch anything.
I, I know a few people that one person actually got offered it

(33:26):
one for £400 and you nearly bought it.
They're so valuable, even to a point where even if the boxes
are a bit battered and stuff, people will still pay hundreds
and hundreds of pounds for. You've got, that was a really
valuable set. And then there's it's really
obscure, but there's like off the top of me, it's like a
massive box that contains the beauty of football, rugby,

(33:49):
cricket. It's like all the different
sports. I was going to, I was going to
say I saw recently, yeah. I didn't realise there was a
yeah. So beauty O rugby.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.
How on earth do you play that? But that that can fetch like
£500 and even more. It's it's wow.

(34:09):
Are we talking little boxes there, Ross, with the Bayern
Munich? So we're talking like a little.
Oh, so much like that. Proper set, proper sets, right?
Unique one. It was.
It was called Munich, but it wasa World Cup edition.
It was a World Cup. OK, got you.
Got you. OK.
That's very valuable. What?

(34:30):
Yes, this is madness, but one ofthe most valuable items you can
get is, you know, like the little rugby, the trophies.
We were just talking about, about the Premier League, the
League Cup. I was just going to ask you that
question. Valuable.
I've never seen one. I've never seen one, no.
So they were. I mean that could fetch anything

(34:51):
from £100 onwards. A little mini thing.
So what happened there was they released them for a few years
and then they discontinued them.You'd still get your World Cup.
You worked like the World Cups. There was the like Subutio's own
World Cup trophy as well. It was quite garish.
FA Cups. I remember having the FA Cup.

(35:13):
Yeah, I used to have the FA Cup,yeah.
Yeah, cop, but the league cop it's sort of no, no, still ain't
got 1 yet because you're literally looking at £100
minimum. So off the back of Jonesy's
question, so thank you for that,Ross.
Off the off the back of Jonesy'sone, is there a single box of
team? Like a team one that's

(35:35):
incredibly rare or sought after so in a particular kit?
From so the key the the team youshowed there is it's called a
lightweight. So very, very nimble, very.
And they came about started to be introduced from the late 70s.
Prior to that you had subutio teams that were called

(35:56):
heavyweights and those those were the ones that were painted
literally by hand. So they were a lot heavier,
easier to play with because of that low cross that's still a
lightweight. Is that lightweight?
Is that OK? That's that's Germany, Italian
90 that one. So this is.

(36:16):
For anyone watching. We're going back a few decades,
but like, I mean, I'll pick up anything that like that.
For instance, it's got. Oh.
God, yeah, OK, right. Someone's put the stickers on
but I saw it on eBay. Just picked it up because of
what that's class. Yeah, yeah.
But these ones, they're a bit bigger.
I could see, yeah. The hand painted, sort of.

(36:39):
The heavyweights are the more viable ones.
The problem is, yeah, they can, that's the thing.
So someone could paint a rare team for instance, onto like
that, this Newcastle one for instance, and try and sell it.
So you could determine whether it's real or not.
I'm sure people are far more qualified than I, than me would

(37:01):
be able to source it. But it's, yeah, the heavyweights
are the one where the the money is, I think.
Yeah, OK. I.
Mean I've got some some beautiful little bits of history
off of this for listeners because Jones, have you got any
bits of history of Sabutio that you want to cover off before I
ran on for a SEC. Not probably.

(37:22):
What you've got is what have yougot?
Did you just look back? Yeah, because obviously I, I
know and some of you that have probably got the Internet and
whatever that can look at why Sabutio was created and who buy.
So obviously it was created by achap called Peter Adolph who was
formerly in the RAF during WorldWar 2, left to start up his own

(37:44):
hobby business, which obviously the name of Sabutio comes from
Falco Sabutio. Is that right Ross?
So. So beauty for right?
Sabutio is the Latin word for hobby.
Hobby. So it was originally then so and
then it went to the bird of prey, which was Eurasian hobby

(38:05):
and that's what Falco sibutio stands for apparently.
Your. Your.
Is that the wrong way around? To be honest.
No, that's right. Yeah, Long story short, it means
hobby. It means hobby.
OK. Is that right or wrong what I

(38:26):
just said there? Sorry, I think.
You've got the same as me, yeah.Yeah, so.
He's come, yeah. He originally started up as new
footy, wasn't it? Yes, correct.
In 1928, so, and obviously what I, what I love about the
originals were they were based on like heavy lead bases with

(38:49):
like the little cardboard figurines.
So they weren't actual 3D figures at that point, Ross,
were they? And I read a brief story about
it basing the base of the Sabutioff of his mum's coat buttons.
Yes. Which is incredible.
So they were like, yeah, they were cardboard.
I've got one. Actually, they've got.

(39:09):
Have you? I should take it out really,
because you're talking. About.
It. Oh, this is fascinating.
It is, isn't it? Honestly, I said to you before,
James, before we started recording that it's been a real
kind of like heartwarming bit ofresearch into this because I was
kind of like, oh, you know, see,Ross, what are you holding up
there, mate? So this is a set from the 50s

(39:32):
and then they've released basically what you've got is the
said guys is they look like that.
So they were just cardboard. Wow.
But were those, were they designed to flick sabujo in
those days? Or was it a bit more of a
shuffle with your finger? It's still Flick, but they're
very, very. That wasn't it after a while.
Classic ball there, like the with the brown ball.

(39:55):
Wow. But you couldn't get you
couldn't get a pitch. So what?
Was a Malteser. I was gonna say brown ball or
rebel. But they didn't come with
pitches. So what he what he advertised,
he said you'd get like an army blanket and a picture and you

(40:16):
draw out on the army blanket, the pitch with the pitch.
That's awesome, isn't it? It's crazy how we started.
But yeah, the sets to that era go for dilly money.
Do they Jones? Have you got any, any history on
on Saboot? Yeah, mate.

(40:37):
No, I just got it from. So obviously there was a
recession in 1980s, wasn't it? And then they ended up selling
the the company to or they forced to sell the rights to
company to the toy company. Waddington's the game going.
Yeah. So we updated the range
including more polished grandstands.
Yeah, yeah. So obviously, because I know

(40:58):
that he was based around Tunbridge Wells and a bit of
history that I read up, which I absolutely adore, OK, is that he
hired housewives to individuallypaint the teams.
So drivers. So drivers would take sacks of
players, drop them off at houses, tell them what teams

(41:19):
they had to paint, and then justleft it with them and then came
back after so many days and collected each team.
But they said synonymously that a lot of houses in Tunbridge
Wells on their TV's were lines of Sabutio players that were
just drying from like the day's paint and I absolutely love

(41:39):
that. Brilliant.
Yeah, so I mean because they thedetail and you can see from
looking at ones you've shown Ross and the ones that I've got
here, the attention to detail onthe kits.
So you've got the complex kits from the bruised banana to the
striped kits. Like there was so much intricate

(42:00):
detail in hand painting them, wasn't there?
There was absolutely. And that's that's partly the
reason then they transitioned tothe light ways because then it's
the kits were just like, what's the word for it?
Not machine printed onto the bodies instead.
Gotcha. Yeah, that's why I like to like

(42:20):
it might be just the being beingbiassed because it as it bought
them in the 90s, but I preferreda lot of ways because you can
get the sponsors on them. You can see the badge and that
kind of whereas you couldn't do that if you were doing them hand
painted. I mean, people now can, there's
some very talented people that can actually paint those I.
Was going to say, did you ever attempt to paint your own?
Oh no, I wouldn't paint them now.

(42:43):
No, I have no on little green, but you I mean is that again I
was talking about communities within communities.
That's another community, yeah, will actually paint the kits and
would sell them as as not souvenirs.
What do you know? Bespoke Sabutio Ross.

(43:05):
As in like the difference? Between no the bespoke sabuto as
in Instagram chap because I think he paints his own.
That's where I've seen it, yeah.Yeah.
And I know there are a few others that I've seen, but
honestly the attention to detailand the steady hand, I mean I'm
sure these guys could be heart surgeons, let alone Sabutio page
like painters. Many kinds of people.

(43:27):
I could imagine like people painting Corinthians.
Yeah, Andy, the Corinthian guy that I've spoke to before is
incredible. But yeah, there are some.
They're so talented, some peopleout there that do this.
And that's what makes it great, isn't it?
Because it's keeping, because you, you can't buy these.

(43:48):
We can make this utio now, obviously in some form, but
those Corinthians like how they can just adapt to them and it's
keeping the tradition in and just keep nostalgia going and
credit to them, I think. The the modern day subroutia.
What's what's the collection like now?
Is it much around or? There's, there is, there is.

(44:08):
I only see just the the obviously the box and like the
local, you know, local shop, butI don't see the teams or
anything around so you. Can get, you can still get
teams, but it would be like yourgenerics, Blues, Reds, whites
that you can get them, so not necessarily do.
They not have a do they have a deal with the Premier League

(44:29):
these days or not really? No, that's very marketing.
It's not been great. It's great for a long time where
it's to a point where like if you're very invested in it, you
want to see when something's been released.
Sometimes they'll drop and add, say no, we're releasing this new

(44:50):
deluxe pitch or we're dropping this new set and then there's no
build up to it. You don't know anything.
They just drop it, unlock an Instagram post or something.
They used to be beautiful, like catalogues and the adverts,
didn't they? You'd have all that, you just
wouldn't know now. I mean, clubs have had their own

(45:11):
deals with Subutio, like they'vegot one like into Milan,
Liverpool, Arsenal, Marseille. So the team clubs have had him
released and then that's it. You don't see anything of them
again, really. It's quite an upsetting decline
really because I've read here that so subutio sales were

(45:32):
150,000 in 1994, which dropped to 3000 sales in just in 2002.
So then only 500 sets being soldin 2003.
And that's when production ultimately stopped for the
classic Sibutio that we look at now, which is heartbreaking

(45:57):
really, to think about how much effort and attention to detail
and promise that the brand started with.
And then it almost seems, because I know that there is a
very popular women's set of Sabutio that was released in
2018 that was huge, which featured the England teams and
the games. Do you have that?

(46:18):
I don't. I saw the other day, though,
that there's a, so they actuallysold at one point a streaker and
police chase it after the streaker.
Yeah. So it was like, it wasn't a
naked, like it was just a sort of like beige painted figure

(46:39):
with policemen chasing after it.And I just think all of that
stuff. I mean, I know that's not to
play with, is it? But like a setup.
If you had like your own little mock picture, that'd be awesome,
wouldn't it? I just overheard the streaker 1.
Yeah. Do you have, do you have that or
have you seen it? That was it was God.

(47:00):
It's one I should have in the collection because it's so
different. Yeah, it's cool, isn't it?
Wouldn't wouldn't get away with it Now the most the most complex
thing they brought out, which was quite a controversial
recently they brought out a VIR set is that.
Right. What?

(47:22):
What? This is 1 probably the the best
thing they've brought out quite recently is there you go.
Oh, it's actually. Wow, yeah.
The screen. Yeah.
Wow. That was quite controversial at
the time because people were like far was still quite new.

(47:43):
The game's gone, yeah. Every week, Ross, me and Jones
have a good old man rant. It's like game's gone.
Game's gone. Yeah, yeah, we are easy.
Can I talk about on the back of this VAR before we go into a

(48:06):
little bit more about kind of listeners memories and what you
associate? The accessories were top notch,
weren't they, with the kit? So I've I've got the scoreboard,
thank you to Francisco, but I'vegot a mention because he
actually sent me this with a shirt for free, which was

(48:27):
incredibly generous of him. But I can remember the the
little slots of paper that you had to slot in the scoreboard.
And then obviously you had stufflike this, the actual Subs
benches where you had to balancethe little figures sitting down
on the the clear little plastic Subs bench with them all in

(48:49):
their track suits. Is there any other things that
I've kind of missed in terms of accessories in Sabutio that you
can kind of show us? Because that's just as beautiful
as the teams in my opinion. So this is a cool 1.
I don't know if you can make it out, but you had like you had
your bull boys. Yeah, brilliant.
Yeah. Horse, which is mad that

(49:11):
wouldn't happen now, would it? Like you'd have things like the
TV tower. Oh wow, I loved that one.
Which is pretty cool. Oh, so these were interesting.
Practically kissing my phone screen right now looking at all

(49:33):
of this but it's too much. The things, the beauty of the
video is this just obscure things.
So you could even get like rosettes, like the different
clothes. I mean, that's a good for Palace
fans. Crystal Palace.
Jonesy look at that. Why didn't we have that last
week, Jonesy? If I cut final, do you have the

(49:56):
Queen Elizabeth 1 Ross? Yes.
So that's the so this is quite sort after because you can get
them. But she has she isn't holding
the cup. And if I'm right, she's holding
the cup in this one, I hope. Oh yeah, she is.
Yeah. Yeah.

(50:17):
So this is a problem we're collecting.
You sometimes forget what you'vegot.
Yeah, yeah. I'll try and set it up.
But this is if you were a kid back in the 70s and the FA Cup
final was on, this is what you want.
So then that's like the scene. That's that's brilliant.
And then there she is. Can hold Liz hold in the glove

(50:42):
that. Love that.
Sorry, James, I'll cut you off. No, I was going to say what what
was? What's your most favourite
accessory? My favourite 1 is is I love the
trophies. I absolutely love.
You can just about see it in shot there.
There's the World Cup. Being an item up up there.

(51:07):
I just, I love the I love, man. The goals are pretty cold, the
Italian or relay some good stuffout during.
That Yeah. Can you, can you just like talk
to me about goals for a little bit, please, because I, you
know, I was OK with anybody. Yeah, Honestly, I just want to
talk about the goals for a minute because I was obsessed

(51:27):
with the Sabuto goals because obviously you could get the
Italian 90 ones, which were because I I grew up going to Elm
Park Reading as a kid. Right now, I don't know if you
can remember their goals at the ground.
It was almost like it was it hada blue kind of like almost kind
of like hexagonal structure to the back of it, didn't it?

(51:50):
Like it wasn't straight back. They always had was.
It metal do you have? Like a yeah, They had like a
little blue metal post in the back of the goal, which was
almost like a kind of hexagonal structure.
Yeah. And I can remember because vivid
memories of the ball hit in the back of the net, but coming
straight back out because it wasso close to the ground.

(52:13):
So things like that. And then I used to kind of try
and replicate that in Sabutio. So can you, have you got any
goals that you can show us of how the goals evolved over time
with Sabutio? Because I'm sure there are
beautiful ones, aren't there? Yeah, there's there's all
different. I'm going to pull more back out
at some point if I'll pull back.Sorry mate, show guys sorry.

(52:34):
Our first injury on the pod. So there's different variations.
So you've got these are my favourites.
Yeah, the Italian naughty ones. Stop it.
I remember them, yes. Stop it now.
It's just the Nets. They're so cool.
Beautiful, aren't they? There's.
So much detail that went into itisn't there.
Yeah, but honestly, just you couldn't.

(52:57):
It's just four that went into itlike yeah, generic.
And then you've got ones like these got your traditional
school ones. Look at the.
Stanchion, yeah. And then these were like, these
were like your generic basic ones, but still pretty cool like
red and blue. Red.

(53:18):
And blue Nets, yeah, and I remember them and that says 399
on there. So that shows you how much they
were at the time. Daylight robbery?
Yeah, 390. 9 or dotted about somewhere.
But yeah, you're, you're right. I mean, when like EUR 96 they'd
have the theme Nets, USA 94 would have the theme Nets.

(53:40):
Did they ever do the Italian goals, you know the little ones
with like the pole at the back I.
Don't know, I'm not too sure. Because that would be insane if
they did because I remember thatlike that.
The box goals that the ones theyuse now, like do they have those
or is it still the classic structure I.
Don't know if I think this. I don't know if this is Yes, it

(54:03):
is actually. So there's those.
Ones that's, that's it. That's like the own part ones I
remember, yeah. Shape, hasn't it?
Yeah, that's how it looks, Yeah.I mean, I don't know if I've
done it justice there. It looks like half a bread bin
but like. Same thing.
But yeah, this. I mean, you could get absolute

(54:24):
loads of variations and that's the thing.
It's not. It's that's what makes
collecting Sabuto fun. Have you have you ever been to a
tournament or anything like thator you just purely collected?
You know how they have tournaments?
No, I've. Been to the tournament, the one
that was the World Cup last year.
I don't know if you guys follow him, but Stewart Grant, the
sabuto collector, and if you don't follow him, follow.

(54:46):
He's like, he's the key reason why I got back into it.
He's done so much good for the game in and endorsing it and
even on Bargain Hunt like. Wow all.
Right. Really good guy.
Really recommend checking him out because he's if I think he's
a large part of Oyster Beauty. I started he's started to get

(55:07):
back into like media and the conifer.
So he's done a lot of that. I've been to collective affairs.
I've done that but I've never actually been on watch a
tournament but they are they getproper competitive if you see it
online. Yeah.
Like it's as if you are actuallya proper football game and the

(55:28):
and the skill to Sabuto. People think it's just flicking.
It's not it's you've literally got to set up your team in a way
to obviously not telling people to soak eggs, but like to stop
the ball going in. It's.
Not yeah, and actually see. There's a skill to it.
There is a proper skill. So next, James, if you've got

(55:51):
any more questions before we go on to, because what we were
going to do, Ross, is we're going to tie in listeners
memories with ones for you and then kind of see how that
segues. Is that all right mate?
Go for it, Woody. So we've, we've sent out a few
messages over the last couple ofdays.
James, you didn't we just to kind of get some feedback as to

(56:13):
what Sabutio meant to some listeners.
And the feedback I have to say is incredible.
So Russell has put here, but he used to Polish the bottom of his
Sabuto players bases with pledgeso that he could get more pace

(56:33):
on the. It does work.
It does and it's, I don't know why I didn't.
That's like the essential sabujostarter kit, isn't it?
If you see someone with like a fold out suitcase, they've got
like a bottle of pledge in there, like, you know, stuff.
He's also mentioned tango balls.Talk to me about tango balls,

(56:58):
Ross. I've got I have.
So basically the the orange Yeahtangos.
They're somewhere, don't worry if you haven't got them to hand.
But just in terms of the ball itself though, I mean, that was
an iconic Sabutio ball, wasn't it?
They would come in like a littlebox of three, wouldn't they?

(57:19):
Because was there a white, orange and a yellow?
Is it? Yeah, looking at.
Yeah, looking at online now. I'll carry on with the memories,
Pete piece. So shameless.
He's told us that the Sabutio was the reason he found out that
Santa didn't exist. Jonesy, obviously.
Zach concluded. He said that he was taken to a

(57:43):
toy shop as a kid by his father,who basically walked him down
the Sabuto aisle. Shamus pointed out that there
was a pack with Brazil and Italyon it as a set, and basically
said that that's his favourite Sabio set that he wanted.
His dad then picked it up. A man of few words apparently

(58:04):
picked it up, said Merry Christmas and took it to the
front of the till and that was his main Christmas present and
that was when he realised presents were from Mum and Dad.
Which what? A present to get though.
Is that is that a good set? I think Eddie's a beauty at.
Christmas is a good thing. That would.
Yeah, same for the whole day. But yeah, it's a little bit bit

(58:27):
sweet, isn't it? I guess finding out Santa
doesn't exist but true. True.
But you end up with Saboot. Yeah, mate.
So you swiftly move on, don't you?
Basil and Fletch have basically wrote in and said that, and
you've probably done this because I know I've done it in
some way, but they used to have annual summer tournaments

(58:48):
between him and his mates and Fletch has basically said
tournaments between housing estates, which they use some.
I still laugh at this. They used to meet up and arrange
home and away fixtures and they arranged the dates.

(59:10):
Didn't it? That must like, pretty intense.
Yeah. It's like I could just imagine
them meeting. In a central place going right,
Yeah, Yeah. So you're what, your arsenal?
OK, so I'll play you on the 21stof August.
A lot of people have said. Spray moulding the actual cloth

(59:32):
to wooden like sheets, that is athing.
I've done that as well. Actually, I did it as from a not
from a playing point of view, just because I wanted to do it.
But yeah, you, you would literally spray it with this
glue onto an MDF board about 8 millimetres.
Yeah, sound like I know what I'mdoing now.

(59:52):
I don't. And then I pinned the green
fence around with tacks and actually stuck some of the the
the stadium stuff around it as well.
So yeah, if it's on an M and MDFboard, the players will tell you
it's a lot more smooth. Do you have the set up as in?
Then like the stadium and all those bits.

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Do you have like a little mock match or EU box?
I've got it under the Bush shirtso I can just.
See that? I can see it now.
I've got the pitch on the MDF board and never actually set up
the stadium. Now I'm in the got the loft.
Maybe that's something to consider.
It might get pretty dangerous doing that.
Yeah, it could. Jonesy, have you got any?
Memories mate. I've got one from Dave Graham.

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He just. Put he used to spend ages
setting up there with the stands, pretend to do the
national anthems, but never actually play it.
Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, it's the atmosphere that's
key. Do you do the floodlights?
Work, Ross. Yes, so.

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You would need batteries. They weren't great in terms of
giving out lights. They really don't, right?
OK, but they give that. Vibe.
You can tell you what is that the one?
Sorry man, I was saying that used to.
Use the lamps. Yeah, because that was. 1.
Yeah, that. Mitch wrote in, Wasn't it?

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He said he did. His bedroom lamp was the the
main light. I just love the the creativity
that's attached to Sabutio is what makes it amazing I think,
isn't it? It's like the extra bits.
These are my. Favourite headlights because.
I love Sabutio sometimes more for the box art than the actual

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items. I agree.
Yeah, you can understand that. Nottingham Forest versus Ipswich
you got. Kenny Burns events in the
literally in the foreground. So, and then you open this up
and that's quite a big box it is.
Very big and. Then it's all set up in there,
like you've got the whole stanchion, the lights, the

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walls. Now they set up these that work
from, from what I can remember, I think of Troy testing them.
Yeah. For toys.
You think? For toys, like quite a lot of
detail about the detail. Yeah, incredible.
Yeah, I mean choking hazards. You'd never get them through

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now. Would you and.
That's the problem. If you trod on one of them,
that's. It it's it's bust.
Yeah, be super careful. But then there was.
That you might just see in the in the background on the top
shelf there. Yeah, that was got the.
The old. Munich, Olympus Olympic Stadium,
Olympic study on, I should say. Yeah, they were lot, the ones

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from the 90s. But big funky battery packs at
the bottom. Yeah, be fair, but they really
sought after as well, really collectible.
But you're better off if you if you were wanting floodlights to
play, you could pick better setsfrom the Independence Oregon
nonsense. Yeah, yeah, and stuff.

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But. They look good.
They do look good. Yeah.
That's the main thing, isn't it?James, you've got any more mate?
So I'm I'm out of list of memories.
No, I think I'm out of memories,but I'm.
Going to eBay after here. So Ross, quick fire questions
then mate. So is there a a team that is

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probably your because I know yousaid you've got the Euro 96.1.
Is there a Premier League 90s team that is your favourite in
terms of the kit painted on the the Sabutio team?
Oh, good question. Good question because I can
remember the villa ones I used to have.
The the 9394 villa set, the Burg, the blue pinstripe.

(01:03:46):
I used to love that one. That was lovely kit, to be fair
Body that's up. There with one of my faves,
yeah. Oh God.
Let's. Think it's hard to pinpoint a
specific 1A non premier Little 1/19/90 Germany one.
Love it. Yeah.
And you'll see what I've never changed it in five years on my

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picture. Your profile picture.
Yeah. That kit.
Absolutely love it and I think it looks even better into beauty
form. Did they do home and away?
Versions of the kits or was it just that one kit?
That Rep, they did recommend them.
I don't know about that Germany 1991, I don't think they did if
they if they have a need to get it because that green shirt is

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just but what about Premier League though, because.
Obviously, like Sheffield Wednesday, did they ever do a
black and yellow pinstripe 1? So please don't tell.
Me. You've got it.
No. No, not every team has got.
Away kits, but for instance, Newcastle 9697 like the blue
one? Yeah, is that the denim looking

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one? Yeah, I had that.
Incredible because it's got the Newcastle Brown now.
Yeah, on the front. Yeah.
And I've got actually now Blackburn Rovers.
Oh, we go, Jonesy, you all love Blackburn Rovers.
I do. Yeah.
Soft spot forum because of Shearer and growing up during

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that period, David. Yeah, an amazing team, but yeah,
like they're away kit from 95960.
That's my favourite away kits. That's is that three of them?
It's not. Black and.
Red shorts. 1. Yeah, you.
Know with the Remember the one with the Premier League.
Yes, champions, the left, so Batty fight.
Kit Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.OK, Right.

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That's nice. So they started doing that.
More in the mid late 90s with the with the away kits because I
don't remember many chef or Wednesday away.
Kits As a kid, I don't think there was.
It was always just the blue and white home kit.
I don't think there was an away kit that I can remember.
They might have just done it fora.
Few select clubs at that time, but to be fair, I'm going to

(01:05:58):
have a look online. That's what I mean.
He's literally like, yeah. Like me and Jonesy, like, we're
going to be like engaged for therest of the afternoon just
looking at like eBay and oh. So where's your fascination with
Alan Shearer come from then, mate?
Oh God, I remember it. Vividly Summer in €96.96 and I

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saw him score that header against Scotland.
My dad going mad, not understanding at the time was
like why is he so happy? And then obviously that
tournament, I think for a lot ofpeople growing up during that
period, got piped into football.He got me into football.
As soon as I saw that, I was hooked.

(01:06:42):
Everyone still talks about the summer of 96.
Don't. They incredible, it's still my
favourite. Summer, I think.
Ever. It's just incredible times.
And then? I remember that directly after
that my dad bought me the shirt,the home, the home England
shirt, got me a full case of football, my first full size 5
case of football and then he joined Newcastle.

(01:07:03):
A few weeks. Later and then that was war like
infatuated and on top of that aswell, my uncle is from
Newcastle, right and I remember watching on Sky lose his press
conference when he's doing that in front of the Newcastle fans
as well. Yeah, yeah, I've got a.
Soft spot for. For the Geordies and Newcastle

(01:07:23):
as well, because that that wholeperiod and it was obviously
during the Keegan era. And then Villa, literally that's
that first home game of the 9697season, went to see Villa
against Blackburn Rovers. God, you can't make it up.
Seriously. Gareth Southgate scores the
winner having missed the penaltyat EUR 96.

(01:07:44):
Oh yeah, got an unbelievable. Ovation and.
That was it, I was football for life and Villa for life then.
So did he start the season with Blackburn?
Then no. So he saw.
He left in the July Ah, right ofthe 90. 697 season, yeah, yeah.
So we signed in the summer of 96.

(01:08:05):
And then as we went into August 96, going into 97, wow, that
whole that short period in 96, some of my yeah, my first
football memories and biggest football memories to be yeah,
that's incredible, mate. No.
He's just. Yeah, I love, absolutely love
the bloke. I think he was a key race, I

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think for many people growing upduring that, he was the poster
boy for all of us, I think. Jones, have you got any
questions? Sabuti or anything, I think
we've covered it. Yeah, far out as I.
Said yeah, amazing collection mate, and thank you so much for
sharing it. No, thank you.
I really appreciate. Honestly, you forget what you've

(01:08:49):
got in the collection and then you forget when you talk.
I mean, that era also, we've been talking.
Absolutely. Boy, Yeah.
I've. I've loved every second of it,
Ross. Honestly I have huge admiration
to anyone that does collecting for a hobby and for someone that
to have as much passion as you do with Sabutio.
Complete hats off because it's awonderful pastime for me as a

(01:09:11):
kid. Even for now, just looking at
the box, it only triggers that tiny thing of either looking at
a box or something, a single figure.
You're back in the 90s again. And yeah, you're eyeing in your
pitch on your on your mum's carpet.
And you know, it's unbelievable.So yeah, I've truly loved this
episode. Thank you so much.

(01:09:32):
Thanks, guys. Thank you so much.
And. For your kit collection as well,
you're going to have to. Come back on another time to go
for your kids. Yeah, I think we will need you
back. Ross, if you're all right with
that mate, because I think there's more we need to uncover.
My shirt collection starts extensive as.
Your guys because you lots are in a different parallel universe
with your shirts. This is Premier League, mate,

(01:09:53):
Don't you worry Premier. League, there's a few, there's a
few knocking around. Yeah, absolutely.
More than happy to come back on the show that good man.
So if any listeners. Or viewers want to find you on
any platform. Ross.
Where can they find you mate? It is literally subutio.
Bromade that will be on Instagram, on Twitter, but I'm
primarily just if on Instagram, Instagram, Yeah, same.

(01:10:17):
Drug casing. Collections and.
Do move fellow collectors like yourselves.
It's Twitter's just gone a bit. A bit, yeah.
It's a bit too volatile. What?
It was fair. Don't.
We Yeah. Yeah.
Instagram all the way lads. Instagram Jonesy.
What about you, mate? Football Dot Jonesy Yeah, Where
about you, Woody? Where are you Woody W 19?

(01:10:39):
88 I must say you on you on TikTok yet?
Not yet, still rehearsing my dance.
Moves. So give me some give me some
time. But yeah Jonesy, your your
videos have stepped up a gear, haven't they?
Mate, talk to the listeners about your Premier League videos
you've done. I just keep finding gold.

(01:11:01):
I'll just keep just keep findingall these these adverts.
I'm advert crazy and but there'sone specific video.
Though that is literally like finding oil, right?
That you've struck oil with thisone.
What video was it? Can you tell the listeners which
one's that one? Is that the?
The Tim Flowers, yeah, are. You playing it down?
Which one's that? Would he?

(01:11:22):
Oh, I can't recall the bottle one.
Yes, that's cool. Fantastic.
What figure are we on now? A. 146,000.
Views on that one blurmanac. Who would have thought?
Tim Flowers would be delivering you glory, Jamesy.
But yeah. And.
Follow us on our obviously the pod insta as well.

(01:11:44):
What's the address, Woody? The address is that 90s.
Premier League podcast, our DMS are always open if you want to
either come on the show for specifically time added on or
any feedback in terms of anything you want us to feature
or any memories you want to sendin for episodes.
But we would also appreciate reviews on the platforms.

(01:12:06):
Jonesy, wouldn't we? Absolutely.
Five star reviews. Yeah right, some nice comments.
Just share, share the pod as well.
I think we're going to do a lot more with the Insta, aren't we,
mate? Yeah, Yeah, we've got some.
Yeah, just. Got some work to do.
Yeah. So yeah, just keep sharing the.
Pod, it just helps us just grow the pod and yeah, get some, get

(01:12:26):
some more listeners. Yeah, brilliant.
That's it. Ross, you've been an absolute
diamond mate. Thoroughly enjoyed having you on
and lovely in the collection that's hopefully we'll get you
on again very soon. I suppose it will give you the
pleasure mate, of saying Cheerioto our listeners today.
I think hopefully people have not been too.
Bored of my very brummy accent brummy I sound sometimes.

(01:12:51):
So if hopefully your listeners are not put off, it's been it's
been a pleasure guys. Thank you for having me on.
I think what you guys are doing,it's fantastic.
You it's just great to see when you go on Instagram every day
and you see a memory like we're saying with flowers, you
remember like it just brings it all back and we're by a spot the

(01:13:12):
90s with a decade. It's just the best.
Get out of this bound bite, Jonesy.
Yeah, well said mate, Well. Said well said.
Yeah, alright. Thank you ever so much guys.
Take care. Speak to you later.