Episode 10 - Napa Valley Nightmare - Adriane Insogna & Leslie Ann Mazzara

This week we talk about the double murder on Nov. 1 of Adriane Insogna andLeslie Mazzara in Napa Valley California, and the unlikely murderer no one ever thought it would be.

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of the Dead episode. So we'regonna do a HALLOWEENI. We're gonna get
a little HALLOWEENI into a HALLOWEENI typecase. Okay, Halloween, he's not
a word on your shirt? Right? So Halloween Night nineteen sixty three,
hadn't feel Illinois, Judith Myers ismurdered by her by stabbing by her six

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year old brother Michael. What what? What's wrong? He goes to the
Illinois State Hospital for fifteen years,where he doesn't say anything. He's,
um, I'm pretty sure this isnot what we were talking about this week.
Oh oh wait, yeah, ohwait no this I'm sorry. This

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page now. Okay, So,in reality, our case does start on
Halloween. However, it's why doyou want to bring reality into this?

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Because so it's on Halloween of twothousand and four. Three roommates go to
bed at about eleven after watching TVand handing out candy, and only one
will be alive at sunrise the nextmorning on November one, the Day of

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the Dead, the Day of theDead literally literally, or as our son
says, literally, are we cuttingyour eyes over here, Junior HM?
Anyway, cue those creepy kids.Welcome to episode ten, Napa Valley Nightmare.

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Coming listen to a story about aNapa vallet at home of no I'm
joking kind of okay, So inJune of two thousand and four, two
friends I'm probably gonna butch her names, so I'm sorry, I have a
hot problem with her first name,not her last name, Adrian, but

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it doesn't look like Adrian. It'sit's got the alien but it's not two
ends, so it really it bothersme. But nevertheless, Adrian, Adrian
and Lauren Maenza. Yes, theywere looking for a roommate to fill a
void because you know, times arerough in California, right, so they

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they they find someone to fill thevoid. And I don't know if it
ever tells how they found her.Well, I mean you would think I'd
never I never had probably wine drinkers, probably met her Leslie and Mazzara,
the roommate that they did choose toto let move in with them. Um

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was a recent transplant from South Carolina. She had broke up with a boyfriend
there and and moved to Napa Valleyto be closer to her mom. She
was Miss Williamson, South Carolina.I guess that's a title vying for miss
South Carolina, you know, allkind of like you know, like Shelby

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County. I don't know, Imean, okay, so yes, hold
first of all, do I looklike I fucking know shooted about pageants?
So she was a beauty queen,missus Williamson, and and she did she
she did a lot of good things. Is she was saying, she raised
money for a like an abused childlike almost like I guess, like a
halfway house for abused children where yeah, they take them out of poems that

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they showed like on one of thethings one of the you know, crime
shows. Um, when she wasdoing her a little speech or I don't
say a little speech that's news articlewhere yeah, well when we know when
they when they ask um, theyasked the contestants questions like what do you
think? Like what do you want? You know, that thing, um
she was talking about. You know, you never expect people to her children.

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It it's like a small clip.But I mean, and she raised
money for a un abused child,an abused children's home. Um she she
was. She was like a bubblygirl. Of course, you know most
pageant pageant women are pageant girls.I don't know, I feel weird seeing
girls. Pageant people are usually bubbly. She she definitely was got a job

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immediately at the couple of winery inNapa Valley, which is probably how they
all hit. But you know,but when it apprancis for yeah, yeah,
yeah, the Coccola winery, likeI can't remember the other name.
But it's to get a public relationstype position. I believe she may be
a greader. But I mean that'swhere you start, you know, um

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immediately like that is it does atest to how how her personality was.
Adrian Insnia. Um, she Iknow, had had great aspiration. She
became a civil engineer. She wentto college, became a civil engineer.
After she well, when she wassixteen, she was in a really bad
wreck. Right, she actually cheateddeath. Yeah, she was like really

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seriously competitive. So I'm guessing thatafter the reck she took that as a
challenge, you know, to toget better. She had issues with short
term memory loss after that and issuesreading. So to me, who,
I'm ada rained as it is forher to go on and to get her

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degree and you know, go tocollege and get a civil engineer degree,
I think is awesome. And thethird roommate, Lauren Manza, she was
a volleyball coach at a local communitycollege. That's about all that snow powder.
Well she, I mean, shein everything. Whenever she's interviewed,
she's in silhouette. So I'm guessingthat she wanted to not be talked about.

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So everything's going good, you know, everybody's getting along. I think
there was one article somewhere that saidsomething about they hadn't really had guests over
and then like a few weeks beforethis, no, a few days before
this, hat Leslie brings a guyhome and they had to be subjected to

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the sounds of pleasure all night long. That's just rude. I'm just saying,
that's just if you if you haveroommates, Oh, be quiet,
I'm sorry, Oh you're talking abouta few roommates. I mean, I'm
just I mean, would you notthink if you had roommates, like because
the house wasn't really big and Imean, I know Lauren's room was downstairs

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and Leslie and Adrians. I meanthat's just free. I try to like
not to let the dogs know,I know if I'm to say it,
but I mean, like anyway,so up until I mean that, they
really hadn't had any guests over.It was kind of like just those three.
I guess they would go to somebodyother people. They decided after after
talking about after the night of theSounds of Pleasure, that that they would

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you know, allow the beach ofEveryone had their own room, everyone had
their own life. I just thinkthere would be rule though, like beque
I mean not quiet, but youknow what, I'm sure that was probably
part of it. Anyway, Sothat night they had gone to bed early.
I think all of them were inbed by eleven PM. Yeah,

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um, around two am, justbefore two am, Lauren Okay, So
guys, just to be just tobe clear, um, the names the
names are they're both lms. Sothere's two two of the three or LM
and it's just it's gonna Yeah.So Lauren is awakened by her dog barking

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and the security light going on inin the car part I get yeah,
and she thinks it's Leslie's boyfriend again. Right, she hears the she hear's
the window open, she hears,and here's somebody coming in. So she's
like, you know, what's goingon. Probably Lesliean's boyfriend again. Great,

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another night of the sounds of pleasure. And I bet she went to
her bed and put her hello overher head and she was like, fuck
this great, here we go again. Until she heard screams, but not
a pleasure, right, the kindof like help me, help me scream.
I think she said, oh mygod, help me, help me,

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please help, please, help me, please help something something along those
lines yet someone asking for help.And I don't think it was the It
wasn't the oh my god that youthink of when you think of the sounds
of pleasure. I guess you're goingto say that through us to the show.
Um anyway, okay, so thesounds of pleasure, so it not

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being the sounds of pleasure. Shesticks her head out the door and like,
you know, like, what's goingon out there? Kind of thing?
I don't know, you know,is this real? Is you know,
yeah, and it's still Halloween too. I mean, you know,
she could have thought it was amovie or which I mean, I don't

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know what their you know, houserules as far as like and I say
house rules, you know, likeI don't know. Yeah, the whole
night of the Sounds of Pleasure,Well yeah, but I mean like if
you had each had a TV inyour room, or if there was one
TV, you know, so whatsay somebody was in there watching a horror
movie. I mean, you couldhave thought it was a horror movie.
But she decides it's not. Sheruns to the backyard, out the backsliding

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door and hides and hides. Shehere's the person or hears someone come out
of the house the same window inthe kitchen, and she goes back inside
to investigate. And that's when shegoes upstairs and finds both of her roommates,

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one of them already dead and oneof them clinging into life. And
she grabs her cell phone. No, she tries to call through the house
phone nine on one, and theline is dead. It has been cut.
So she grabs her cell phone andkind of does the smart thing,
and Emilie, I'll find that weirdI just wanted to hear that she heard

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the guy's leave. Man. Iguess, well he got in once,
I guess. But I mean herline of thinking probably is he has to
say alive or something like that.I mean, she gets in her car
and she drives away and she callsnone one one. But you have to
stop and think. These are threeyoung women. And I say young,
I mean they're younger than thirty,right, I mean to her, if

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I get what if what if hedecided to come back, what if he
heard her day back in? Imean, I can see to her half
killed and killed one of them,right. So she called the police and
she tells them, you know they'redead. I don't know. She says
they're both dead or dying. Butshe says there's blood everywhere. She tells
the police. In a police hurry. Police arrive, she goes back to
the house. Um, they findLeslie already dead in the floor and Adrian

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is barely alive and in the andshe dies in the ambulance. She does
in the ambulance, but she's inshe's in Leslie's ring. Now she is
like like crouched behind Leslie's bed.I'm guessing probably on the other side by
the wall, the wall side,all right, um, but she does
pass on the way to the hospital. So now it's a double homicide.

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Um. Nobody can figure out whowould have done this, why they would
have done it, no clues,but from from looking at look from looking
at what what went on and howthe bodies were positioned and everything, the
police have decided that someone came into attack Leslie and that Adrian came to

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help her. Came to help her. They find they find blood on the
on the window, on the blindsor on the window sill out going out
of the kitchen, his entry andexit point. And they find um cam
old Turkish gold cigarette buds outside inclose proximity to the window. Yeah.

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So they so they deduce and he'sbeen out there to a smoke at least
what I think it was two orthree at least a couple of cigarettes,
Yeah, they said they multiple times, they said a couple. So he's
been out there for a minute beingstockumic Stalkerson outside the window. It takes
about at least four to five minutesto smoke a cigarette, I think remembering
from being a smoker, even powersmoking, so ten minutes he was out

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there, I would at least wager, right, Okay, So they also
find under Adrian's nails skin with skinor blood or skin yes, Matt,
yeah, skin from her attacking him, and so they obviously, you know,
collect everything, and they they youknow, they find out that the

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blood on the window sill or theblinds and the matter under her nails match,
so they know the same you knowobviously, which no, but you
know, of course they have totest it to make sure, and they
send off the cigarette butts for forDNA analysis because I'm guessing that, I

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mean, I would think it takeslonger and you don't have Yeah, I
couldn't figure that out. I've guessedwell, I mean I've seen, you
know, they tear up the cigarettebutton, they put it in the liquid.
I just never even even when thisstory first aired forever again on zic
Balls, that never tail. Butit did slightly because you hear it,
but it never really tails. Howthey got once blood. I'm guessing it's

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matter, I mean, you haveYeah, I guess they have to do
the the where they where they makeit make more right that yeah, the
thing. Yeah. Anyway, Soas we previously talked about just literally a
minute or two ago. Everybody,as seems, Leslie is the target because

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so they investigate every man in herlife. An ex boyfriend that she had
broken up with before leaving South Carolina. As I mentioned earlier, he was
a lawyer, and her father washis father was a lawyer. Yeah,
j and her his father I keepcalled her all the time, creeph and

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called her and brated her and calledher a couple of times that night,
yeah, that day and that night, right, and they said that she
had gotten to where her he calledso much to braid her for breaking up
with his son, that she justwouldn't answer the phone anymore. I mean,
but the fact that he called herbeforehand seemed creepy, right, And
that was part of the reason Ibelieve that she left him because of the

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dad. Yeah, I mean,that's that's way before um, Susan Powell.
But you know, um creepy dadsor well creepy um. But so
in the end, um, theythey they clear both the father and the
son. They willingly give DNA andthey don't match. They um, they

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take hundred over two hundred, twohundred DNA sample and send them all off.
Yeah, and they did over athousand interviews right in the eleven months
after in Leslian Mazzara's life, becausethey assumed that she was the target,
right, which I think what theycall that tunnel vision, right, that's

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that's how the husband gets convicted allthe time. I mean, it really
is. I mean, because theydid not even stop to think. Once
they decide who's guilty, all oftheir resources go to towards proving that person's
God I mean yeah, I mean, but they can't decide who's guilty because,
of course, you know, intheir mind, Leslian was the beauty

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queen and it had to be her. She was the one that was being
stalked and blah blah blah. Imean, you know they so there had
been there, yeah, and theywere kind of, I guess, a
little rusty in procedure because there hadbeen no murders in Napa Valley in years.
Yeah, like almost four years.Yeah, some said too and some
said four. But either way,it had been years. I actually believe
it was. It was almost foryou, it was over three years.

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But the thing that I did see, the thing that said too, I
don't know, maybe they're um anywherein the eleven months yeah, they interview
all these people nothing, I mean, they're clear, and all these people
left and right. And Adrian's bestfriend and co worker, who I mean

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she was really really close with,was a girl named Lily right Prudom.
Yes, And and that name's alwaystook out to me because it reminds me
of food taking food, Yes,Paul Prudom. Yes, that's why I
always remember her name, right,because I'm fat. Anyway, So they
were like really good friends, andshe was supposed to get married and this

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really toured. Yeah, this tourthey had actually her and Eric had broken
her fiance had broken broken up,or they at least they were. They
were kind of taking a break.They were. They put off their marriage
plans. Yeah, they were supposedto be married first that that day of
the day of the murder. Theyhad put off their marriage plans. After

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this murder, they decided life's tooshort to keep putting things off. I
love you so much. And theyget married. Yes, And Adrian's mom
actually reads scripture. Yeah, shecomes and you know, she participates in
the wedding, and um has tobe from the Song of Solomon, it
always is. I think I thinkshe actually says that in the and then

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in the interview UM, but alsoin an interview, UM literally says,
you know, if we had wentthrough with our first marriage plans, Adrian
and Lauren would have been with themin Hawaii. So they would have never
gotten murdered because they would have beenwith them. Well, Lauren didn't get

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murdered anyway, Yeah, but thebut they wouldn't have happened the whole well,
at least Adrian wouldn't have been murdered. So, by the summer of
two thousand and five, all theDNA samples should come back from all the
guys that they had taken, andnone of them matched, and everybody had
kind of been ruled out. Andso a couple of months later, in

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September, they finally finally finally getback the DNA from the cigarette butts,
and it matches the DNA, thetissue from under her nails from attacking it
from under Adrian's nails, and theblood from the window lines in the kitchen,
So the cigarettes were definitely from thekiller. So they actually announced that

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they know that the killer is awhite male who was a smoker, and
that he smokes the Camel Turkish Goldbrand, and so one particular person there
in town flips his ever love andhis ship and writes some suicide letters to
his family and in it, youknow, he goes on to say,
you know, I did a horriblething, and I'm not gonna give this

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state was he said, the stateor the government the pleasure of serving justice,
Sir, I'm gonna. I'm notgonna. I don't consider it suicide.
I consider it justice serves something likethat. Right, So they go
and they get him, and sohe doesn't die. Yeah, so he
doesn't die, and so saying Idon't even think did he attempt, because

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I think they got to him before, because he fucking mailed him. And
I guess just was like, I'mgonna sit over here and wait for somebody
to stop me. I mean,come on, he was depending on the
postal service against right there. Itcould have been weeks after he died and
he would have gotten it was ontop of a rack or um. Yeah,
I'm I am confusion, as thememe says. Um. Anyway,

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so he talks this person, talkshis family members and his wife, yes,
and decided to turn himself in.I'm so sorry, but a lot
of people smoked the Turkey's Gold brand. I believe they were the low end.
They were like the get a dollaroff by a pack, get a
pack free version of Camels. Myproblem with this is if you had a

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friend who you knew smoked this brandof cigarettes, would you not say,
oh shit, hm smokes this,especially, I mean being involved, if
you were one of my friends.I don't understand how nobody was like,
oh well her, neither did Lily. Lily did an interview where she seemed

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incredulous. Forty eight hours interview withLily Prudom came out where she didn't understand
why nobody had been arrested and apprehendedbefore the DNA sample comes back, came
back before we reveal the killer.Let's play Lily's interview. Somebody out there
knows something. Somebody would have hadto notice a friend of theirs acting strange

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or you know, had bruises.It doesn't seem like somebody could just walk
away from it and be fine.So the reason that it just galled the
funk out of me this interview isbecause the person that they arrest is her
husband, Eric, who while shewas giving that interview, was sitting in

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the same room with her and hadmarried her and had Adrian's mom with her,
you know, at the wedding,like and I believe you found somewhere
where he gave money to a gofund me. He gave one hundred and
twenty five dollars. Cannot find itfor the life of me now, I
don't know where I saw it.He gave one hundred and twenty five dollars

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to the go fund me for themoney towards the capture and conviction the reward,
and wrote this really nice long thing, I mean fairly long for a
you know, here's some money.You will be missed. That's what guilt
does. I mean. But itdoes go to show you that, I

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mean, you can't tell he hadbeen He had had no trouble with the
law. He was quiet and shy. He was just like your regular Adverridge
every day Joe. He worked fora like a land surveying company. Ye
just did nothing. He was likeDexter says Hi, He's totally the typical.

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I never saw it coming. Hewas such a nice guy. And
I believe that in this one.And yeah, he's like one of the
only male snapped episodes. I mean, there's guys on there sometimes like where
they get hired. But I thinkhe's the only one that I know of.
And if you guys know, ifanybody let us know, because I'm
curious because I'm sure there's like twentysome odd seasons. Yeah, and I

(26:59):
know probably know who. Do youknow who originally narrated the daughter on um
just shoot me? Yeah? Thatwas the original narrator like for the first
time maybe seven seasons and then itwent to this lady anyway in the green
screen, yes, anyway, soum. But he didn't even try to

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like have a trial. He juststarted lugit winning and was like, I'm
pleading guilty. I'm a fucking monsterpretty much right. So this is like
two people in a ray that we'vedone who were like, I'm a fucking
monster. I gotta plead guilty.The fact that okay, so he didn't
go to trial. He played guilty. He didn't receive a life sentence without
parole. I did forego the deathpenalty, I believe. I don't know.

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Did they have the death penaltyeam.I don't know. They go back
and forth in California. No,because Arles meet him was on it and
then they took him off or notjust him, but like I thought,
didn't they didn't want to kill Charliebecause then they wouldn't have had anything to
blame all the things that go bumpin the night on Yeah, sorry,

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you know those those classic Charles's classicCharlie episode our interviews. So he pleads
guilty, gets life without parole,and it's so so horrible because I know
he's remorseful from from everything that.I mean he's spoke in court, yeah,
like the well and then and thenAdrian's mom of course, now she

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lost a daughter. I get it, you're you're kind of salty or maybe
a lot of salty. I don'tknow, folk, I don't know how
I would feel. But she saysthat she doesn't believe he was remorseful for
what he did. He was remorsefulhimself. Yeah, she said that.
I don't She said, I don'tbelieve he's remorseful for us. I believe
he's remorseful for himself. And Ireally don't think that's true. I mean,

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yeah, he killed people and hehe was wrong for it, but
I don't think he was another oneof those like orderline, yeah, personality
disorder type things, right, Yeah, where it's like, I don't even
think it was necessarily borderline personality.I think that he was losing um lily,
and I think he thought that theyhad something to do with it.
And I think he stood outside thatwindow and I think he works hisself up

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and he you know, may havebeen drinking. You know, that was
the night that he had he knewhe was supposed to get married to literally
the next day in Hawaii. Right, was stuck there, probably not on
all that great terms with her.I believe they were on a break.

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And I mean, I'm from theschool where if we're together, we're together.
You stuck with me, You'll haveto go to bed and we try
again in the morning. I don'tknow about this break shit. So I
think that that's what these young peoplecall it a break. Okay, So
at his trial, he does givea speech, and only the first minute
was allowed to be recorded. Sowe're going to play the first part of

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his speech and then well we'll finishit off and tell you what he said,
I mean, not the rest.Not only does he do a speech,
guys, but this guy's like fuckingvocabulary is like on some tia level.
Right, his motherfucker is like Imean it. It is very Tia.
I think he called Tia. Ibet he called Tia and was like,

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hey, can you help me writethis? Because I mean, it's
it's out there. Get your dictionariesready, guys, for real. I
am a broken man, a mansplintered by penetrating awareness of my own potential

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wickedness. Well, I cannot fathomfull extent of the English I have caused.
I recognize my sinful deeds, havingflicted terrific agony on a great number

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of people. The words evade meto articulate the depths from my sorrow.
So, as we said, thejudge only allowed the first minute to be
recorded by I guess all media,but by forty eight hours. And he

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went on to say, I wasafraid my relationship with Lily, this singular
ray of light in my black world, was in peril of collapsing. So
yeah, I mean he is avery I mean, that's what I'm saying
late, And I just don't thinkthat he Obviously he did kill two people.
I am not justifying. He doesseem like someone that could be rehabilitated,

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unless he possibly wasn't getting his wayagain right. Well, but because
of his plea deal. He willspend the rest of his life in prison.
He forfeited all rights to any appealsand appeals or clemency. Now,
okay, so obviously Adrian's mom gotup there and pulled a Kelly Siegler and
did the whole Yeah, she bangedon those yet and then you went in

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there and you stabbed her, andyou stabbed her and you stabbed her thingum.
And Lily got up and she spokeon behalf of Eric and she said
that she doesn't believed that the manwho did what he did at night is
the man that's in the court room. And I, I, like,
we just said, I have toagree with that. She did also say

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that nothing that he could ever dowould cause her to love him less and
then they aren't together. Now,well she I think she stayed married with
two him for three or four years. But I mean, you know,
she's actually in Europe. I thinkthat's what. Yeah. I found on
one website where she went she wentto the YAH. It says that she's
in the UK and she's in aPhD program. But I don't think it

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said like what her No, yeah, it did forgiveness her fucking PhD is
un forgiveness or her thesis or whateveryou have to do to get it,
because I mean, look, yeah, she did un forgiveness, which I
mean I could see that being amajor role in her life. Um for
real, I just would like toknow, you know, after her interview

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that she gave. Yeah, Imean she's literally could no one have noticed
that? Somewhat? And she's like, oh yeah, can you imagine the
realization sitting in like not only didhe do it, but you sat there

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and you said that, and you'rejust like somebody had to have noticed.
But he was not acting funny.I mean, she was just so determined
because again, everybody he was focusedon it being Leslie. That was the
main you know, right, everyonethought that it was Leslie, but it
wasn't. Appearances can be deceiving sometimes. Okay, guys, that's another one

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