January 16, 2020 • 41 mins
This week we cover suspected serial killer Gerard John Shaefer Jr., who was a deputy sheriff, convicted in 1973 of 2 murders and suspected of dozens more.
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On That Dead Body Show, wetalk about death and murder, and at
times we may use explicit language.Hey, guys, welcome back to That
Dead Body Show. Hi guys,I'm Douglas, I'm Brandy, and we're
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up like Louve. Yeah, Iwouldn't play it as out loud around your
children, because, as The Morningsays, we do use course language.
Well it doesn't say course language explicitlanguage, but course and explicit language are
both of the same. Thing.It's just a colloquialism. So is a
fucking shelf? I as a toilet? And what do you call it?
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Isn't it a jay? What thefuck is wrong with you? Okay?
Well, So in July of nineteenseventy two, our subject of this week,
George Schaeffer, he's a a deputysheriff. Two girls come flying out
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of the woods, running bound attheir I don't know. Some articles said
in the recreation photos that they're boundat the knees a weird way, but
it's burning like penguins, touff behindtheir back, right, and they run
out of the woods and flagged downthe cop right, and they're like this,
this cop kidnapped us and tortured us, and help us and ship.
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I'm sure they weren't that calm,but so the cop that they named actually
was employed at the same precinct asthe cop they flagged down right. So,
and at the same time, acrosstown um our friends Gerard is calling
his boss and telling him he haddone something stupid. His boss was not
at the precinct that day. Hewas off. It was a Saturday.
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He was home cutting grass and saidhe won't even imagine said, his life
called him into the house. I'msure she had flaging down, probably had
in some os tea. It's theSouth, right, it's the South,
But I mean, well, yourdeputy calls how much grass do they have
in Florida? For real? Though, so he couldn't have been too far
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away from the door. His wifecalls him in, says, let's a
call from the precinct needs you tocome in. Or there's a call from
Girard. He needs you to comein. Girard says, I've done something
stupid. You're gonna be so angry. I feel like that's like when your
kid tells you that, you know, like if the kid knows that they've
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done something stupid, then it's probablypassed stupid. Yeah. Anyway, He
proceeds to tell his boss that hewas trying to teach these two jung dumb
stupid girls a lesson that we're hitchhiking about how dangerous it was, right,
which would be admirable if he reallywas doing that, but he's not.
He has kidnapped them, tied themup to show them what could happen
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to them if somebody really bad gota hold of them and they escaped.
And the boss says, well,why don't you come on down to the
recinct, Like can you imagine thedrive over, like just driving just being
like what the fuck with the lawnmorestill on the lawn. Probably he probably
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just left it there. He wasprobably like I wonder if he changed,
you know, because grass cutting clothesare different than I don't know, because
you have to imagine his initial whatthe fuck, like I'm sorry, what
did you do? Because it's Saturdayand now I got to go to work.
So he gets there and the girlshave pretty much told the same exact
story, except they said that hehad met them the day before. He
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said that as well, that hehad met them the day before and told
them that hitchhiking was bad, andhe met up with them again the next
day and then he taught them theirlesson. They said that the lesson included
painting him on their butts, touchingthem inappropriate ways, telling them him he
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was going to kill them or sellthem into white slave, right, which
is like soce nineteen seventies, I'mlike, can you just hear him,
because like from his interviews, he'sgot that white and you know that it's
probably what I don't know what thisis. Probably women in prison movies were
big in the severe slavery girls.Brown Sugar. That was a movie,
Sweet Sugar. The cambrel's done,so he has tied them up, told
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them he was going to kill them. Um actually tortured them emotionally, told
them one of people he's going tolive. I'll be back. And I'm
not sure why he left in themiddle of this torture session. He told
him that he had an errand orhe had something to do, right,
there's different accounts. I think hedid it just to like let him hang
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there, because he's got him hangingin like might have gone to get something
further to torture them with. Well, I mean, I think it was
also a psychological thing, like I'mgoing to leave you here, and so
while I'm gone and they're panicking andthey're you know, well they panicked enough
to sliver shimmer shimmy, shimmy,shimmy shimmy their way out of the noose.
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I would have probably panned as badasses. I usually think I would be
if just what happened. Think aboutthis, you're balancing on this tree,
stumping or whatever. He had stoodthem on many trees, which the roots
grow above the water in Florida,right, I'm part of the ecosystem.
There's actually a really neat thing Iread up. He and the girls are
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standing on these slippery ash roots andpretty much, I mean technically a swamp.
Really, it's technically a swamp maybeeverglade or what do they call it,
that's what it is, the everglades. Yeah, so I love how
if you're in Florida's Everglade, ifyou're in Louisiana, you're in the Bayou
swamp. Right, So they're standingon these roots slippery, they get out
of the nooses and they escape.He gets the immediately stripped, he gets
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stripped of his badge, um,you know, pretty much and arrested.
You're you're on leave and arrested fortwo counts of faults imprisonment and two counts
of aggravated assault. So he bondsout can chain thousand dollars. I mean,
that's actually a chunk of change.Backed ends and this is like we
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said, this is July, andhe's bonded out, and he's given a
cord date of November, right,not unheard of. So you're probably asking
yourself, where's the dead body?Yeah, well, you know, how
how could a cop do this?You know, right? Or cops were
supposed to protect us? How couldthis happen? Well, we'll answer that
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and more after the Creepy Kids.Welcome to Episode twelve. Gerard Schaefer,
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the killer Cop. What a duke? I mean? I mean, that's
kind of redundant us in all thebig words today, redundant, asked Dick.
I mean, it's just really hardto teach your kids growing up that
you should respect a cop and trusta cop, and a cop wi never
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hurt you when there's yeah, okay, So our friend Girard was born in
nineteen forty six to some like okayboomer right to some some some people said
like really super Catholic parents, reallyreligious, um, but his dad was
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a womanizer who I mean, analcoholic who flaunted his extramarital affairs. But
he said some hill marys oh,oh it's okay, the right. Sorry.
So he didn't have like a reallygood relationship with either of his parents
because he apparently did the famous thingthat every kid thinks, that they favored
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the other siblings. He was theoldest, and I believe he had what
two younger sisters I saw one andthen I saw two, so I'm really
not sure. Okay, so butat least one though, for sure.
And they favored the female the girls, yeah, um, which made him
do some strange cross dressing things beyondbeyond the age of oh, I'm just
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walking around him on till because hethought that they favored them because they were
girls, right, So he tookto wearing women's underwear, which, hey,
whatever, man, you know,silky drawers are nice. Sometimes I
can't see wearing women's because there's noroom, I mean, because women don't
need room. Maybe he didn't needa room. Well there's that who anyway,
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So, yeah, he was.He was creepy as shit. He
would stare at women through the windows, doing the peeping tom thing. He
accused one girl, uh that livedlike across from him, or you know,
down down the road. I'm nottoo far. He lived in a
small town. Yeah, so thatshe was undressing in her window to taunt
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him, and he was gonna stopbecause you know, he was. I
mean I think someone did say thathe had said he was gonna stop her
and uh, actually that was hisgirlfriend at the time, Sundra London.
Cheahhoo. Yeah, she's not whatdoingnute time out. She's not just a
hope, she's a zero killer hope. Yep. Literally Anyway, So apparently
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he also thought that he was theproduct of a forced wedding. So but
see, I don't okay, butI don't understand that because technically he would
be the call if he thought hewas, if he thought it was a
forced wedding, I think he wouldhave been the cause of the force wedding,
not the product of the forced wedding, unless drink because like a shotgun
wedding, like bet you knocked up, now you got to marry, get
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married, making my daughter an honestwoman. Boy. Sorry, yeah,
but that's what I'm saying. Though, he wouldn't have been the product unless
it was kind of one of thosethey picked out the people like, you
know, because that still happened backthen too. So about the time,
what fourteen years old or so,they moved from from Georgia to Florida.
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They moved from I believe a suburbanAtlanta, Yeah, to Florida. His
parents were involved in yachting, sothey obviously had a little bit of scroll
up right well in the seventies,of course, which everyone yachted well,
and if they were any type ofboat people, that might have been where
he got his rope issues from.I mean, you have to know all
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those knots, right, So hegraduates high school. I think Saint Thomas
Aquinas was it you graduated to highschool in Florida in nineteen sixty four.
He tried to be normal. AndI say normal loosely because anybody who knows
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me knows I'm far from normal,so I hate to say normal guy.
But he tried to do what everybodyexpected, and he got married and he
became a teacher, and everywhere Iread about this guy literally had the same
quote that he got fired for totallyinappropriate behavior. Like that's literally the quote
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used like aver. I think itwas like at least articles and the documentary
that we watched, so totally inappropriatebehavior is apparently a fired of offense.
And it wasn't disclosed what the totallyinappropriate behavior was. Some people said that
it was like it wasn't disclosed onlike paperwork. But some of the theories
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were that he was being um inappropriatewith the female students. And then somebody
else said that he might have beenteaching. I can't remember now has been
imposing his own Catholic Yeah, yeah, morals on the children. They're in
the seventies year. So when thatdidn't go because he got fired because he
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was being a creeper um or whateverwhatever, his totally inappropriate behavior. It
sounds like something Bill and Ted wouldsay, it's totally inappropriate behavior. Man.
He decides, well, okay,so I can't be a teacher.
I'm going to be a priest becausethat's not creepy at all. But they
tell him you're not religious enough oryou don't have your faith faith, which
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I don't get because I don't knowwho the funk gets to tell you how
much faith you have, but theydo in the Catholic I mean, okay,
like if you if you want tobecome a Catholic, you have to
take classes, you know, likeBaptists are the only folks that take people.
I guess the Protestant. Lick's husbandwas Catholic. He wanted me to
take classes. No, I didn'talso Judaism. Yes, my brother did
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that for his wife, which he'snever committed to ship. So that was
kind of major right right anyway,So um, I'm sorry his marriage his
marriage falls apart right married four year, two years, I'm sorry, and
she decided extreme cruelty as one ofthe reasons for wanting the divorce. I
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mean, I want there would extremebecause like we're talking like in the sixties
seventy. I thought they got divorcedin sixty eight. Yea, Now they
got married in sixty eight and divorced, And you're right, my bad,
I've lost my line too either way. But I mean, can you just
imagine back then what extreme cruelty was, because like even still back then,
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it was still thought that, youknow, like women had to obey and
ship. I would have not livedback then very long. I'm guessing I
would have been on my own podcast. So uh of trying to recoup from
his marriage, failed marriage, heuh takes the summer off him, go
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Europe and North Africa because that madesense, and came home with a brand
new plan. Decided they couldn't bea teacher and and couldn't priest, so
let's be a cop. He appliedto several several departments and got rejected.
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Kid ybe everybody. Everybody. Hefailed a psychological test in Okayward County.
If you feel a psychological test tobecome a cop. Well that's that's now.
I guess never mind, if youfail a copy because psychological tests to
become a cop and Brower County,Florida, right, then you're crazy,
You're insane, that's but maybe eventhen, so like okay, but see
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my next question to this was,and I know obviously today at a different
time, like there's got to belike a database for this ship, Like,
so would they failed this? Like, don't hire them? I'm assuming,
but like I mean, back then, obviously there wasn't. It was
all paper. But like I guess, so if he didn't put down that
he had already tried this elsewhere,they would nobody knew that he had failed.
You know, he hadn't applied anywhereelse, No one would know.
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That's how all these motherfuckers got awaywith so much ship back then, like
I swear them. So finally asmall, a small plice department hired him
Wilton Manner, which sounds like hewas a private copy in a gated community.
For me, I'm just gonna saythat to me, it sounds like
something from like fucking what was it? Dark Shadows? Where are you going
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up going to? Don't go toWilton manors. See. It also cracks
me up because the first part ofmy routed to Wilton two. All right,
Yeah, so he earned a commendationhe um in March seventy two here
in a commendation in a drug bust, and a month later, on April
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twenty four, twenty blaze it,he was fired. And there's not one
story. Like the chief said thathe didn't have an ounce of common sense.
That's a quote, Yeah, thatwas a quote. He didn't have
an ounce of common sense. Anx an x FBI agent who I have
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I do believe, uh Robert Wrestler, Yes, the man, the man
right? Uh was the said hewas disciplined for running women's information after he
had stopped him on traffic stops.Who knew if the traffic stopped for even
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real he might have just saw hotchick she's speaking, pulled her over.
Can I see your license? Ohyou live there? Okay, that's terrifying.
Yeah yeah. And then he justcalls out of the blue, so
you remember when you were speeding onA one A last week, Well,
that would kiss me on go out, So like, you know, nobody
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even really thought of that though,I mean no, I mean there hadn't
been all these women found in boxesand containers and shit like that. At
this point. How far are weall from Ted money at this point?
Not long, not far Ted,But he's already doing his ship though on
the north. He hadn't read itright, I don't know, to steal
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so well whatever, whatever. Hedicked around for a couple of months,
and he finally got signed on withanother sheriff's department in Martin County. Every
time they said that when I waslike watching the documentary, I thought they
were fucking it up. And itwas supposed to be Marion, I saw
did I kept hearing Marion? Infact, I said married much times.
I mean, I'll try not tosay Marion during is But Martin County hired
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him, and you might think,well, he just got fired. How
the hell did he get the job? He faked a letter of common a
letter recommendation, I mean, whichalong with his drug drug bust commendation,
which I'm sure he had pictures ofhim with the medal and shit and probably
a gold leaf and all type thing, a little scroll and you know,
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oh you're gonna fire me? CanI get some letterhead on my way out?
So you think that go into allthat trouble to fake recommendations. He
would fly right after he got hiredsomewhere old. But it's like a month,
right, But yeah, it's likeliterally about a month. Um where
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we look back to where we startedto explain to you how the dead bodies
come in. He picked up thetwo girls, Pamela Wells and Nancy Trotter,
who we told you about in thebeginning, and he gets a trial
date and well and well he picksthem up. Yeah, loses them,
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right, blah blah blah. Imean he you know what we told you
in the beginning. So he getshis trial date and they they just don't
even know what the fun they're daylingwas like the right, So they're like,
yeah, okay, you just kidto have these two women and you're
threatened to kill them. Just comeback in November. Just chill date,
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just go home. You know yougot a wife. Just calm down,
like it's fine. Um, I'msorry. I just even back the ND.
I know, back to the end. It was still supposed to be,
you know, kind of like thiscould never happen. So I guess
they weren't expecting it. But hegoes on trial in November and cut the
deal and cut the deal pretty much, and he pleads and gets a year.
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Yeah, but he's like, dude, so I have a wife,
ken, I go get her settled. I want to say it with like
her mom, but like pretty muchrelocated. So the judge is like,
sure, you know what, you'rea comp. You are a comp.
Sure you just go relocate your fuckingwife. Seventies or such a happy go
lucky, care free time apparently,I mean right, you just go relocate
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your wife and you come back inreport here in January. Have it,
dude? Go January fifteenth. Hestarts serving his sentence, and a couple
of months later, on Works twentyfifth, he has some visitors. The
police come to him and they wantto know what he was doing back in
September. Did he meet a coupleof girls and take them, you know,
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on a joy ride? And he'slike no, because they these girls
have been reported missing. Yeah,and he's like no, I don't.
I don't know who you're talking about. No, no clue, which is
really strange because they had the licenseplayed with the car the girls had gotten
into, and the mother said thatthe person they drove off with was Jerry
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Shepherd, Yeah, Jerry Shepherd,and they were going to go play guitar
at the yeah, at the beach, and she noted that it was a
green blue Green Dotson Yeah, andgot the tag number because she was on
it. And the police were soI guess naive and in the seventies that
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they didn't go Jerry Shepherd. GerardShaffer, Right, well, I mean
even if they did, even ifthey did really believe him, I mean,
I don't know why they weren't.Like, so we were in jail
for kidnapping two girls and taking themto the losing time them up. That
was two girls. But he waslike nor never saw them and they were
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like okay, and they left.But then like what three or four days
later, Yeah, April first,nineteen seventy three. Yeah, these guys
were, you know, collecting illuminingcans for recycling, and they found them,
they found the skulls were they weren'tThey weren't collecting aluminiums cans for recycling.
They were collecting alluminum cans for money. Last time. They feel like
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they were trying to save the world. They were trying to make probably cash
for wine or the recycling right.So they they're collecting cans. Yeah,
they found the sculletal remains of twogirls. Yeah they match dental records.
I believe, yes, And itcomes back that it's the two girls that
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were missing in September. Yes,Susan Place had been shot in her jaw,
which was apparently one of his bigfantasies. I'm not sure why shooting
somebody in the jaw gets him alllike ready to go in his life,
but apparently shooting them in the jawdoes. Um. He says that later
like a lot in like all thevideo he's anyway, right, he um.
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It takes a couple of days forthe you know, for the dental
records and all that, and theyare identified and the crime scene indicates the
two girls were tied to a treeand butchered, and somebody goes, hey,
funny story. The Gerrard Shepherd JerrySchaffer. Yeah, Tag never went
back to him, and it lookslike the same crime scene and they sit
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together. Right. So on Aprilseventh, the clueby I was literally just
thinking of Scoby to get the Iknow we've been together, like I was
thinking of when Fred always pulls themask golf and it's never mister hi.
Okay. Anyway, So on Aprilseventh, they get a search from and
they searched his mom's house and becausehe had stored his ship there after he
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relocated his wife and all that hehad, you know, given his ship
to his mom. And they finda letter addressed to Jerry Shepherd Kawaki Dan
I think not okay. So inall of his shit they find all kinds
of ship jewelry box. Yeah,all these pages of his like crazy ass
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ratings and drawings that are not goodby the way, his drawings like I
think I might could be better thanthat's sad. Drawing of mutilated women and
stories of mutilating women. Yeah,like a bunch of that, like like
one und over one hundred pages.Yeah. Um the newspaper clip there were
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newspaper clips beings and um, Ididn't know that they were double spaced as
well. So it was one hundredpages double spaced, just saying what a
loser. At least God in sevenhad that like tiny ship going right,
wow, Okay, anyway, theyfind IDs. Yeah, they found there
was like newspaper clippings about people whohave been missing since since nineteen sixty nine,
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um along with their IDs. Yeah, their yeah, I mean he
just literally had like all this shit. And so the people are the cops
are like, whoa, what hadhappened? This is way more than two
girls. I mean, this isyou know, they realize right then that
he's probably got at least what dirtyBut for the most part, all of
that's really circumstantial, very because thesebodies haven't you know, they haven't even
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found the bodies of them. No, I don't think they have. Now.
One of the people that they findum stuff for is his old neighbor
that he used to say was tauntinghim, right right, And which is
really weird because they became tennis partnerslater on, is when it said,
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yeah, hi, let's come playtoo. Because Ault, because she had
disappeared, her husband said that shewas going to reunite with a high school
boyfriend, and Shaffer had offered hera job at the CIA making twenty thousand
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dollars a year in nineteen seventy three, which would have been a lot,
right, right, And so theyover time had linked like almost three dozen
missing women to him through through thecollection of stuff that they found on his
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mom's propers. So even though theyfind all of these different items and whatever,
and later bodies are found. He'sonly ever tried for two and they
do they do hold him and notall right time. Hey, I know
that relocate my wife again? Right, Um, surely they wouldn't have fallen
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for that again. Um, butprobably so, but they don't. You
know, he didn't even try thistime. Um. He's only charged with
the two murders, the original onesof jessapin place, and he's convicted of
two counts, the first degree murderin October of seventy three, and he
got life imprisonment, like two lifeterms, right, which is at the
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same time, right, So he'snot consecutive. That's my favorites. When
you get a life life and thenyou get considered one hundred and twenty years
going anywhere. I mean, Sohe uphealed a bunch of times. I
know, he filed a bunch offrivolous lawsuits. Yeah, he even sued
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one person for calling him fat laterin an article. Right, but I
never saw him really look fat,so I was really confused. So he
sits there till about nineteen ninety andsmember that girlfriend we were talking about earlier,
Sandra Lundon, right, she looksup with him. She takes a
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bunch of the stories that he's writtenin prison stories stories and you can't see
me, but I'm air quoting becausehe says they're fiction. But then later
on, I mean, so hegives them to her. She publishes them
under I believe the title killer fiction. Yeah, he called him art and
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the police said that they were thinlyveiled descriptions of actual crumbs. Right when
she finally carries them to him,because she, you know, goes back
and forth with him. She's talkingto him, they become like boyfriend girls.
They get back together, right,and then she leaves him for another
serial killer. Yes, Danny Rowlingreally did in number two absolute two.
Yeah, check that out, guys. Danny Rowling, I really didn't realize,
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like the mass writer, mystery writer. I really didn't realize she liked
because she did it to again afterDanny Rowling to somebody. So she publishes
this, uh, this fiction andshe's writing him and he's like, you
know, what do you want forme? Do you want confessions? And
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he's like and he named off twopeople that you know, girls that they
found or whatever, and yeah,and he said, what do you think
was this the title? What doyou think? What do you think Murder
Demons is? So she's like,oh my god, this is a fucking
confession, right. He said,you want confessions, but don't recognize him,
and I anoint you with the anointbig word day and we've just gotten
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started. It's what he said toher. So she goes to the police
and they he obviously he wants hecraves fame. He really, he really
does. He wants to be thebaddest, the biggest baddest. He said
that you know he had right,he had. He had written up his
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own list of his victims and ithe said he wasn't claiming a huge number
somewhere between eighty and one hundred andten, depending on and And they cut
this part of the quote from alot of the stuff you read out there.
He says, I'm not claiming abig number somewhere between eighty and one
hundred and ten, depending I'm areader right now, I wasn't sure.
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I'm sorry guy that had to collectmyself. Uh. He said he was
claiming somewhere between eighty and dren ten, depending on whether you kind of the
pregnant ones. It can get confusingas one or two. So sometimes these
things hit hard. Sorry. Somy question on that one, though,
is is did he actually know thatmeant people? But see the math person
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in me thought between eighty and onehundred and ten. So that's the difference
of thirty, right, depending onwhether you count the pregnant ones as one
or two. Se means he murderedthirty pregnant women. Wow, I mean
that's what I'm guessing. That's theway I took that because the picture thirty
would be the baby's right. Imean, I guess there were pregnant with
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twins in there. I mean Ididn't take that into account. Don't make
me have a math, No,don't because you'll overmath me and we all
know that's not mine. Not alie. Wow, No, it's not.
Um I thought that. Yeah,so um wow. He said that
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she goes to the police with theconfessions and they start talking to him,
that he decides that he'll give theminformation right, and they're they're gonna go
up there, and it's like they'regonna go up there on like a Friday,
the friday before the detective was supposedto go up there. And I
believe she was going to go aswell to help kind of facilitate the meeting.
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They called and said, don't bothercoming. He's no longer with that,
he's deceased. Was his his actualcellmate or just a person another prisoner,
I don't believe. I don't knowthat it was his cellmate. Another
prisoner had come into his cell andstabbed him in the eyes, like over
a dozen times, things each eye, and then gave him what's called a
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Glasgow grin, where he cut himfrom ear to ear across his mouth.
There's a famous actor, Tommy Flintman. Yes, he played to that played
chips on Sons of Anarchy. Thathas real one. He has a real
one. Yeah, that's not fake. It's only on side. It's pretty
bad because you know, you onlysee they showed jumped out of him.
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He got jumped outside of the bar. That's fucking right. Yeah, he
got jumped outside and they cut prettymuch from the corners of your mouth outward.
And while they're cutting you, asyou scream hurting about it, it
rips it more. Okay, Yeah, I think of your face over question
is obviously he went on to havea career, but why obviously just guy
(34:31):
didn't be because talking about play again. But like, so how did they
just sew it up? I mean, yeah, holy shit. Okay,
Well obviously, uh Shaeffer here didnot go on to have a career.
He was dead as fog in hiscell. But yeah, stabbed in the
eyes or like I want to sayit was sixteen times in Eagi, which
(34:54):
has got wait Hunter's favorite. Itwas between eleven and thirteen, between nine.
The reasoning behind the guy attacking himwas just like everybody had a different
reason. Yeah, uh yeah,you know, Sundra London said it was
I believe it was her said thatit had to do with you know,
(35:15):
um, snitches don't see, snitchesdon't speak. Oh yeah, yeah,
so he he had spoken with AutistTool, who was there. He was
there with like the like the themount Rushmore's not really a tool was there
and he actually so one of thedrawings that we mentioned earlier, he had
(35:37):
signed, um sliced me off apiece, right, um Audist Tool we're
talking about But I mean, yeah, Audist Tool had confessed to killing Adam
Walsh and then were candid and hemay have been a party to him original
(36:00):
and confessing and known more about theconfession as he worked in the library at
the prison end, which is wherehe supposedly met Ted Bundy, which one
of the documentaries that said that Tedhad extra library time because he had friends
in the library. Right, So, well, you know, because you
were telling me earlier that apparently hesaid that Ted Bundy wasn't looked up to
(36:22):
him. Yeah, but that wassomething else you said. I can't remember
said he pressed him impressed. AndI just wonder if I don't think him
prison. No, I don't thinkhe didn't really Ted Bundy. I don't
think anybody in prison, and Idon't really think that he Ted Bundy near
until the end when he thought hewas going to get out of the death
sentence. Really didn't even talk likeall the big serial killer stuff. He
(36:45):
didn't bask in it. No,he was kind of like, you know,
he didn't talk about the killings ofthe other indmates. Know, he
didn't do any of that until theend when he thought he could get out
of the death sentence, and hewas just all book and you know him,
well not really as far as tradedidn't go full Charlie. Yeah,
he didn't don't ever go full Charlie. No. But like I'm just wondering
(37:07):
though if even if he didn't fullybecause like the club that we watched a
why I go where he's saying?You know that Ted Bundy was like how
many did you really get? Youknow whatever? I just wonder, But
I mean I can almost see ifI can play people library time? Yeah,
like can I had this book oryou know or more? Because I
(37:27):
mean I'm sure they only gave him, like, you know, not only
set library time, but like maybeset books or only for a certain amount
of time. Other prisoners might nameyeah or maybe yeah. I'm just like,
but you know what I'm saying though, late, I could totally see
Ted Bundy playing somebody. I mean, fuck, you know, he can't
have a cast in the in thejail and asked, you know, can
you come help me put this inmy car? So he's got to play
(37:49):
him somehow. So the so theguy who killed in Vincent Rivera um Sundra
London would later say that Rivera hadkilled him over an argument over a cup
of coffee. Some accounts say,okay, yea, some accounts eighty you
can't be somebody's commissary. I meanno, I mean I agree, but
I believe a few other accounts comeout that it had to do with the
(38:12):
snitching. It had to do withmoney, he owed. Okay, now
I could see that, but notthe fucking coffee, like get real.
But the snitching could have been Imean, yeah, okay. Anyway,
so Killer Funk, Killer Function,Killer Function was um republished in ninety seven,
(38:37):
and at this point, after she'dleft him for for Danny rawling and
uh, I believe they were engaged. By the way, at some point
um she added in more pictures andother stuff that he had seen, because
at this point he couldn't sewer,right, Maybe that's why he got killed.
(38:58):
Maybe she hired dude, I'm joking, right, So that's the dead
bodies. Yeah, there could havebeen more dead bodies to this story.
But Vincent Rivera yeah, I meananonymously. I don't know that he was
gonna do anything when they came.I bet. I mean, I feel
(39:19):
like he would have got they wouldhave got there and he would have just
been like, yeah, I know, or he could have played it up
and tried to get something out ofit. Yeah, and what could he
have even got? No, Idon't know, coffee, right, I
mean, because he wasn't going anywhereor so. I mean, it's like
he could have got his ship cut. Instead he got his ship cut and
(39:44):
stabbed for real, for real andkilled. That would be kilt, killed,
very much killed. Anyway, guys, wrapping up this episode, Thanks
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(01:12):
up like Louve. Yeah, Iwouldn't play it as out loud around your
children, because, as The Morningsays, we do use course language.
Well it doesn't say course language explicitlanguage, but course and explicit language are
both of the same. Thing.It's just a colloquialism. So is a
fucking shelf? I as a toilet? And what do you call it?
(01:34):
Isn't it a jay? What thefuck is wrong with you? Okay?
Well, So in July of nineteenseventy two, our subject of this week,
George Schaeffer, he's a a deputysheriff. Two girls come flying out
(01:56):
of the woods, running bound attheir I don't know. Some articles said
in the recreation photos that they're boundat the knees a weird way, but
it's burning like penguins, touff behindtheir back, right, and they run
out of the woods and flagged downthe cop right, and they're like this,
this cop kidnapped us and tortured us, and help us and ship.
(02:22):
I'm sure they weren't that calm,but so the cop that they named actually
was employed at the same precinct asthe cop they flagged down right. So,
and at the same time, acrosstown um our friends Gerard is calling
his boss and telling him he haddone something stupid. His boss was not
at the precinct that day. Hewas off. It was a Saturday.
(02:44):
He was home cutting grass and saidhe won't even imagine said, his life
called him into the house. I'msure she had flaging down, probably had
in some os tea. It's theSouth, right, it's the South,
But I mean, well, yourdeputy calls how much grass do they have
in Florida? For real? Though, so he couldn't have been too far
(03:06):
away from the door. His wifecalls him in, says, let's a
call from the precinct needs you tocome in. Or there's a call from
Girard. He needs you to comein. Girard says, I've done something
stupid. You're gonna be so angry. I feel like that's like when your
kid tells you that, you know, like if the kid knows that they've
(03:27):
done something stupid, then it's probablypassed stupid. Yeah. Anyway, He
proceeds to tell his boss that hewas trying to teach these two jung dumb
stupid girls a lesson that we're hitchhiking about how dangerous it was, right,
which would be admirable if he reallywas doing that, but he's not.
He has kidnapped them, tied themup to show them what could happen
(03:52):
to them if somebody really bad gota hold of them and they escaped.
And the boss says, well,why don't you come on down to the
recinct, Like can you imagine thedrive over, like just driving just being
like what the fuck with the lawnmorestill on the lawn. Probably he probably
(04:13):
just left it there. He wasprobably like I wonder if he changed,
you know, because grass cutting clothesare different than I don't know, because
you have to imagine his initial whatthe fuck, like I'm sorry, what
did you do? Because it's Saturdayand now I got to go to work.
So he gets there and the girlshave pretty much told the same exact
story, except they said that hehad met them the day before. He
(04:36):
said that as well, that hehad met them the day before and told
them that hitchhiking was bad, andhe met up with them again the next
day and then he taught them theirlesson. They said that the lesson included
painting him on their butts, touchingthem inappropriate ways, telling them him he
(05:00):
was going to kill them or sellthem into white slave, right, which
is like soce nineteen seventies, I'mlike, can you just hear him,
because like from his interviews, he'sgot that white and you know that it's
probably what I don't know what thisis. Probably women in prison movies were
big in the severe slavery girls.Brown Sugar. That was a movie,
Sweet Sugar. The cambrel's done,so he has tied them up, told
(05:30):
them he was going to kill them. Um actually tortured them emotionally, told
them one of people he's going tolive. I'll be back. And I'm
not sure why he left in themiddle of this torture session. He told
him that he had an errand orhe had something to do, right,
there's different accounts. I think hedid it just to like let him hang
(05:53):
there, because he's got him hangingin like might have gone to get something
further to torture them with. Well, I mean, I think it was
also a psychological thing, like I'mgoing to leave you here, and so
while I'm gone and they're panicking andthey're you know, well they panicked enough
to sliver shimmer shimmy, shimmy,shimmy shimmy their way out of the noose.
(06:15):
I would have probably panned as badasses. I usually think I would be
if just what happened. Think aboutthis, you're balancing on this tree,
stumping or whatever. He had stoodthem on many trees, which the roots
grow above the water in Florida,right, I'm part of the ecosystem.
There's actually a really neat thing Iread up. He and the girls are
(06:38):
standing on these slippery ash roots andpretty much, I mean technically a swamp.
Really, it's technically a swamp maybeeverglade or what do they call it,
that's what it is, the everglades. Yeah, so I love how
if you're in Florida's Everglade, ifyou're in Louisiana, you're in the Bayou
swamp. Right, So they're standingon these roots slippery, they get out
of the nooses and they escape.He gets the immediately stripped, he gets
(07:01):
stripped of his badge, um,you know, pretty much and arrested.
You're you're on leave and arrested fortwo counts of faults imprisonment and two counts
of aggravated assault. So he bondsout can chain thousand dollars. I mean,
that's actually a chunk of change.Backed ends and this is like we
(07:25):
said, this is July, andhe's bonded out, and he's given a
cord date of November, right,not unheard of. So you're probably asking
yourself, where's the dead body?Yeah, well, you know, how
how could a cop do this?You know, right? Or cops were
supposed to protect us? How couldthis happen? Well, we'll answer that
(07:48):
and more after the Creepy Kids.Welcome to Episode twelve. Gerard Schaefer,
(08:16):
the killer Cop. What a duke? I mean? I mean, that's
kind of redundant us in all thebig words today, redundant, asked Dick.
I mean, it's just really hardto teach your kids growing up that
you should respect a cop and trusta cop, and a cop wi never
(08:37):
hurt you when there's yeah, okay, So our friend Girard was born in
nineteen forty six to some like okayboomer right to some some some people said
like really super Catholic parents, reallyreligious, um, but his dad was
(09:00):
a womanizer who I mean, analcoholic who flaunted his extramarital affairs. But
he said some hill marys oh,oh it's okay, the right. Sorry.
So he didn't have like a reallygood relationship with either of his parents
because he apparently did the famous thingthat every kid thinks, that they favored
(09:22):
the other siblings. He was theoldest, and I believe he had what
two younger sisters I saw one andthen I saw two, so I'm really
not sure. Okay, so butat least one though, for sure.
And they favored the female the girls, yeah, um, which made him
do some strange cross dressing things beyondbeyond the age of oh, I'm just
(09:45):
walking around him on till because hethought that they favored them because they were
girls, right, So he tookto wearing women's underwear, which, hey,
whatever, man, you know,silky drawers are nice. Sometimes I
can't see wearing women's because there's noroom, I mean, because women don't
need room. Maybe he didn't needa room. Well there's that who anyway,
(10:09):
So, yeah, he was.He was creepy as shit. He
would stare at women through the windows, doing the peeping tom thing. He
accused one girl, uh that livedlike across from him, or you know,
down down the road. I'm nottoo far. He lived in a
small town. Yeah, so thatshe was undressing in her window to taunt
(10:35):
him, and he was gonna stopbecause you know, he was. I
mean I think someone did say thathe had said he was gonna stop her
and uh, actually that was hisgirlfriend at the time, Sundra London.
Cheahhoo. Yeah, she's not whatdoingnute time out. She's not just a
hope, she's a zero killer hope. Yep. Literally Anyway, So apparently
(11:00):
he also thought that he was theproduct of a forced wedding. So but
see, I don't okay, butI don't understand that because technically he would
be the call if he thought hewas, if he thought it was a
forced wedding, I think he wouldhave been the cause of the force wedding,
not the product of the forced wedding, unless drink because like a shotgun
wedding, like bet you knocked up, now you got to marry, get
(11:22):
married, making my daughter an honestwoman. Boy. Sorry, yeah,
but that's what I'm saying. Though, he wouldn't have been the product unless
it was kind of one of thosethey picked out the people like, you
know, because that still happened backthen too. So about the time,
what fourteen years old or so,they moved from from Georgia to Florida.
(11:48):
They moved from I believe a suburbanAtlanta, Yeah, to Florida. His
parents were involved in yachting, sothey obviously had a little bit of scroll
up right well in the seventies,of course, which everyone yachted well,
and if they were any type ofboat people, that might have been where
he got his rope issues from.I mean, you have to know all
(12:13):
those knots, right, So hegraduates high school. I think Saint Thomas
Aquinas was it you graduated to highschool in Florida in nineteen sixty four.
He tried to be normal. AndI say normal loosely because anybody who knows
(12:35):
me knows I'm far from normal,so I hate to say normal guy.
But he tried to do what everybodyexpected, and he got married and he
became a teacher, and everywhere Iread about this guy literally had the same
quote that he got fired for totallyinappropriate behavior. Like that's literally the quote
(12:58):
used like aver. I think itwas like at least articles and the documentary
that we watched, so totally inappropriatebehavior is apparently a fired of offense.
And it wasn't disclosed what the totallyinappropriate behavior was. Some people said that
it was like it wasn't disclosed onlike paperwork. But some of the theories
(13:20):
were that he was being um inappropriatewith the female students. And then somebody
else said that he might have beenteaching. I can't remember now has been
imposing his own Catholic Yeah, yeah, morals on the children. They're in
the seventies year. So when thatdidn't go because he got fired because he
(13:43):
was being a creeper um or whateverwhatever, his totally inappropriate behavior. It
sounds like something Bill and Ted wouldsay, it's totally inappropriate behavior. Man.
He decides, well, okay,so I can't be a teacher.
I'm going to be a priest becausethat's not creepy at all. But they
tell him you're not religious enough oryou don't have your faith faith, which
(14:09):
I don't get because I don't knowwho the funk gets to tell you how
much faith you have, but theydo in the Catholic I mean, okay,
like if you if you want tobecome a Catholic, you have to
take classes, you know, likeBaptists are the only folks that take people.
I guess the Protestant. Lick's husbandwas Catholic. He wanted me to
take classes. No, I didn'talso Judaism. Yes, my brother did
(14:31):
that for his wife, which he'snever committed to ship. So that was
kind of major right right anyway,So um, I'm sorry his marriage his
marriage falls apart right married four year, two years, I'm sorry, and
she decided extreme cruelty as one ofthe reasons for wanting the divorce. I
(14:56):
mean, I want there would extremebecause like we're talking like in the sixties
seventy. I thought they got divorcedin sixty eight. Yea, Now they
got married in sixty eight and divorced, And you're right, my bad,
I've lost my line too either way. But I mean, can you just
imagine back then what extreme cruelty was, because like even still back then,
(15:18):
it was still thought that, youknow, like women had to obey and
ship. I would have not livedback then very long. I'm guessing I
would have been on my own podcast. So uh of trying to recoup from
his marriage, failed marriage, heuh takes the summer off him, go
(15:39):
Europe and North Africa because that madesense, and came home with a brand
new plan. Decided they couldn't bea teacher and and couldn't priest, so
let's be a cop. He appliedto several several departments and got rejected.
(16:00):
Kid ybe everybody. Everybody. Hefailed a psychological test in Okayward County.
If you feel a psychological test tobecome a cop. Well that's that's now.
I guess never mind, if youfail a copy because psychological tests to
become a cop and Brower County,Florida, right, then you're crazy,
You're insane, that's but maybe eventhen, so like okay, but see
(16:25):
my next question to this was,and I know obviously today at a different
time, like there's got to belike a database for this ship, Like,
so would they failed this? Like, don't hire them? I'm assuming,
but like I mean, back then, obviously there wasn't. It was
all paper. But like I guess, so if he didn't put down that
he had already tried this elsewhere,they would nobody knew that he had failed.
You know, he hadn't applied anywhereelse, No one would know.
(16:48):
That's how all these motherfuckers got awaywith so much ship back then, like
I swear them. So finally asmall, a small plice department hired him
Wilton Manner, which sounds like hewas a private copy in a gated community.
For me, I'm just gonna saythat to me, it sounds like
something from like fucking what was it? Dark Shadows? Where are you going
(17:12):
up going to? Don't go toWilton manors. See. It also cracks
me up because the first part ofmy routed to Wilton two. All right,
Yeah, so he earned a commendationhe um in March seventy two here
in a commendation in a drug bust, and a month later, on April
(17:40):
twenty four, twenty blaze it,he was fired. And there's not one
story. Like the chief said thathe didn't have an ounce of common sense.
That's a quote, Yeah, thatwas a quote. He didn't have
an ounce of common sense. Anx an x FBI agent who I have
(18:00):
I do believe, uh Robert Wrestler, Yes, the man, the man
right? Uh was the said hewas disciplined for running women's information after he
had stopped him on traffic stops.Who knew if the traffic stopped for even
(18:21):
real he might have just saw hotchick she's speaking, pulled her over.
Can I see your license? Ohyou live there? Okay, that's terrifying.
Yeah yeah. And then he justcalls out of the blue, so
you remember when you were speeding onA one A last week, Well,
that would kiss me on go out, So like, you know, nobody
(18:47):
even really thought of that though,I mean no, I mean there hadn't
been all these women found in boxesand containers and shit like that. At
this point. How far are weall from Ted money at this point?
Not long, not far Ted,But he's already doing his ship though on
the north. He hadn't read itright, I don't know, to steal
(19:07):
so well whatever, whatever. Hedicked around for a couple of months,
and he finally got signed on withanother sheriff's department in Martin County. Every
time they said that when I waslike watching the documentary, I thought they
were fucking it up. And itwas supposed to be Marion, I saw
did I kept hearing Marion? Infact, I said married much times.
I mean, I'll try not tosay Marion during is But Martin County hired
(19:30):
him, and you might think,well, he just got fired. How
the hell did he get the job? He faked a letter of common a
letter recommendation, I mean, whichalong with his drug drug bust commendation,
which I'm sure he had pictures ofhim with the medal and shit and probably
a gold leaf and all type thing, a little scroll and you know,
(19:52):
oh you're gonna fire me? CanI get some letterhead on my way out?
So you think that go into allthat trouble to fake recommendations. He
would fly right after he got hiredsomewhere old. But it's like a month,
right, But yeah, it's likeliterally about a month. Um where
(20:12):
we look back to where we startedto explain to you how the dead bodies
come in. He picked up thetwo girls, Pamela Wells and Nancy Trotter,
who we told you about in thebeginning, and he gets a trial
date and well and well he picksthem up. Yeah, loses them,
(20:33):
right, blah blah blah. Imean he you know what we told you
in the beginning. So he getshis trial date and they they just don't
even know what the fun they're daylingwas like the right, So they're like,
yeah, okay, you just kidto have these two women and you're
threatened to kill them. Just comeback in November. Just chill date,
(20:55):
just go home. You know yougot a wife. Just calm down,
like it's fine. Um, I'msorry. I just even back the ND.
I know, back to the end. It was still supposed to be,
you know, kind of like thiscould never happen. So I guess
they weren't expecting it. But hegoes on trial in November and cut the
deal and cut the deal pretty much, and he pleads and gets a year.
(21:18):
Yeah, but he's like, dude, so I have a wife,
ken, I go get her settled. I want to say it with like
her mom, but like pretty muchrelocated. So the judge is like,
sure, you know what, you'rea comp. You are a comp.
Sure you just go relocate your fuckingwife. Seventies or such a happy go
lucky, care free time apparently,I mean right, you just go relocate
(21:45):
your wife and you come back inreport here in January. Have it,
dude? Go January fifteenth. Hestarts serving his sentence, and a couple
of months later, on Works twentyfifth, he has some visitors. The
police come to him and they wantto know what he was doing back in
September. Did he meet a coupleof girls and take them, you know,
(22:07):
on a joy ride? And he'slike no, because they these girls
have been reported missing. Yeah,and he's like no, I don't.
I don't know who you're talking about. No, no clue, which is
really strange because they had the licenseplayed with the car the girls had gotten
into, and the mother said thatthe person they drove off with was Jerry
(22:29):
Shepherd, Yeah, Jerry Shepherd,and they were going to go play guitar
at the yeah, at the beach, and she noted that it was a
green blue Green Dotson Yeah, andgot the tag number because she was on
it. And the police were soI guess naive and in the seventies that
(22:51):
they didn't go Jerry Shepherd. GerardShaffer, Right, well, I mean
even if they did, even ifthey did really believe him, I mean,
I don't know why they weren't.Like, so we were in jail
for kidnapping two girls and taking themto the losing time them up. That
was two girls. But he waslike nor never saw them and they were
(23:14):
like okay, and they left.But then like what three or four days
later, Yeah, April first,nineteen seventy three. Yeah, these guys
were, you know, collecting illuminingcans for recycling, and they found them,
they found the skulls were they weren'tThey weren't collecting aluminiums cans for recycling.
They were collecting alluminum cans for money. Last time. They feel like
(23:37):
they were trying to save the world. They were trying to make probably cash
for wine or the recycling right.So they they're collecting cans. Yeah,
they found the sculletal remains of twogirls. Yeah they match dental records.
I believe, yes, And itcomes back that it's the two girls that
(24:00):
were missing in September. Yes,Susan Place had been shot in her jaw,
which was apparently one of his bigfantasies. I'm not sure why shooting
somebody in the jaw gets him alllike ready to go in his life,
but apparently shooting them in the jawdoes. Um. He says that later
like a lot in like all thevideo he's anyway, right, he um.
(24:26):
It takes a couple of days forthe you know, for the dental
records and all that, and theyare identified and the crime scene indicates the
two girls were tied to a treeand butchered, and somebody goes, hey,
funny story. The Gerrard Shepherd JerrySchaffer. Yeah, Tag never went
back to him, and it lookslike the same crime scene and they sit
(24:52):
together. Right. So on Aprilseventh, the clueby I was literally just
thinking of Scoby to get the Iknow we've been together, like I was
thinking of when Fred always pulls themask golf and it's never mister hi.
Okay. Anyway, So on Aprilseventh, they get a search from and
they searched his mom's house and becausehe had stored his ship there after he
(25:15):
relocated his wife and all that hehad, you know, given his ship
to his mom. And they finda letter addressed to Jerry Shepherd Kawaki Dan
I think not okay. So inall of his shit they find all kinds
of ship jewelry box. Yeah,all these pages of his like crazy ass
(25:37):
ratings and drawings that are not goodby the way, his drawings like I
think I might could be better thanthat's sad. Drawing of mutilated women and
stories of mutilating women. Yeah,like a bunch of that, like like
one und over one hundred pages.Yeah. Um the newspaper clip there were
(25:59):
newspaper clips beings and um, Ididn't know that they were double spaced as
well. So it was one hundredpages double spaced, just saying what a
loser. At least God in sevenhad that like tiny ship going right,
wow, Okay, anyway, theyfind IDs. Yeah, they found there
was like newspaper clippings about people whohave been missing since since nineteen sixty nine,
(26:23):
um along with their IDs. Yeah, their yeah, I mean he
just literally had like all this shit. And so the people are the cops
are like, whoa, what hadhappened? This is way more than two
girls. I mean, this isyou know, they realize right then that
he's probably got at least what dirtyBut for the most part, all of
that's really circumstantial, very because thesebodies haven't you know, they haven't even
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found the bodies of them. No, I don't think they have. Now.
One of the people that they findum stuff for is his old neighbor
that he used to say was tauntinghim, right right, And which is
really weird because they became tennis partnerslater on, is when it said,
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yeah, hi, let's come playtoo. Because Ault, because she had
disappeared, her husband said that shewas going to reunite with a high school
boyfriend, and Shaffer had offered hera job at the CIA making twenty thousand
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dollars a year in nineteen seventy three, which would have been a lot,
right, right, And so theyover time had linked like almost three dozen
missing women to him through through thecollection of stuff that they found on his
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mom's propers. So even though theyfind all of these different items and whatever,
and later bodies are found. He'sonly ever tried for two and they
do they do hold him and notall right time. Hey, I know
that relocate my wife again? Right, Um, surely they wouldn't have fallen
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for that again. Um, butprobably so, but they don't. You
know, he didn't even try thistime. Um. He's only charged with
the two murders, the original onesof jessapin place, and he's convicted of
two counts, the first degree murderin October of seventy three, and he
got life imprisonment, like two lifeterms, right, which is at the
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same time, right, So he'snot consecutive. That's my favorites. When
you get a life life and thenyou get considered one hundred and twenty years
going anywhere. I mean, Sohe uphealed a bunch of times. I
know, he filed a bunch offrivolous lawsuits. Yeah, he even sued
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one person for calling him fat laterin an article. Right, but I
never saw him really look fat,so I was really confused. So he
sits there till about nineteen ninety andsmember that girlfriend we were talking about earlier,
Sandra Lundon, right, she looksup with him. She takes a
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bunch of the stories that he's writtenin prison stories stories and you can't see
me, but I'm air quoting becausehe says they're fiction. But then later
on, I mean, so hegives them to her. She publishes them
under I believe the title killer fiction. Yeah, he called him art and
(29:52):
the police said that they were thinlyveiled descriptions of actual crumbs. Right when
she finally carries them to him,because she, you know, goes back
and forth with him. She's talkingto him, they become like boyfriend girls.
They get back together, right,and then she leaves him for another
serial killer. Yes, Danny Rowlingreally did in number two absolute two.
Yeah, check that out, guys. Danny Rowling, I really didn't realize,
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like the mass writer, mystery writer. I really didn't realize she liked
because she did it to again afterDanny Rowling to somebody. So she publishes
this, uh, this fiction andshe's writing him and he's like, you
know, what do you want forme? Do you want confessions? And
(30:37):
he's like and he named off twopeople that you know, girls that they
found or whatever, and yeah,and he said, what do you think
was this the title? What doyou think? What do you think Murder
Demons is? So she's like,oh my god, this is a fucking
confession, right. He said,you want confessions, but don't recognize him,
and I anoint you with the anointbig word day and we've just gotten
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started. It's what he said toher. So she goes to the police
and they he obviously he wants hecraves fame. He really, he really
does. He wants to be thebaddest, the biggest baddest. He said
that you know he had right,he had. He had written up his
(31:22):
own list of his victims and ithe said he wasn't claiming a huge number
somewhere between eighty and one hundred andten, depending on and And they cut
this part of the quote from alot of the stuff you read out there.
He says, I'm not claiming abig number somewhere between eighty and one
hundred and ten, depending I'm areader right now, I wasn't sure.
(31:55):
I'm sorry guy that had to collectmyself. Uh. He said he was
claiming somewhere between eighty and dren ten, depending on whether you kind of the
pregnant ones. It can get confusingas one or two. So sometimes these
things hit hard. Sorry. Somy question on that one, though,
is is did he actually know thatmeant people? But see the math person
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in me thought between eighty and onehundred and ten. So that's the difference
of thirty, right, depending onwhether you count the pregnant ones as one
or two. Se means he murderedthirty pregnant women. Wow, I mean
that's what I'm guessing. That's theway I took that because the picture thirty
would be the baby's right. Imean, I guess there were pregnant with
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twins in there. I mean Ididn't take that into account. Don't make
me have a math, No,don't because you'll overmath me and we all
know that's not mine. Not alie. Wow, No, it's not.
Um I thought that. Yeah,so um wow. He said that
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she goes to the police with theconfessions and they start talking to him,
that he decides that he'll give theminformation right, and they're they're gonna go
up there, and it's like they'regonna go up there on like a Friday,
the friday before the detective was supposedto go up there. And I
believe she was going to go aswell to help kind of facilitate the meeting.
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They called and said, don't bothercoming. He's no longer with that,
he's deceased. Was his his actualcellmate or just a person another prisoner,
I don't believe. I don't knowthat it was his cellmate. Another
prisoner had come into his cell andstabbed him in the eyes, like over
a dozen times, things each eye, and then gave him what's called a
(33:50):
Glasgow grin, where he cut himfrom ear to ear across his mouth.
There's a famous actor, Tommy Flintman. Yes, he played to that played
chips on Sons of Anarchy. Thathas real one. He has a real
one. Yeah, that's not fake. It's only on side. It's pretty
bad because you know, you onlysee they showed jumped out of him.
(34:10):
He got jumped outside of the bar. That's fucking right. Yeah, he
got jumped outside and they cut prettymuch from the corners of your mouth outward.
And while they're cutting you, asyou scream hurting about it, it
rips it more. Okay, Yeah, I think of your face over question
is obviously he went on to havea career, but why obviously just guy
(34:31):
didn't be because talking about play again. But like, so how did they
just sew it up? I mean, yeah, holy shit. Okay,
Well obviously, uh Shaeffer here didnot go on to have a career.
He was dead as fog in hiscell. But yeah, stabbed in the
eyes or like I want to sayit was sixteen times in Eagi, which
(34:54):
has got wait Hunter's favorite. Itwas between eleven and thirteen, between nine.
The reasoning behind the guy attacking himwas just like everybody had a different
reason. Yeah, uh yeah,you know, Sundra London said it was
I believe it was her said thatit had to do with you know,
(35:15):
um, snitches don't see, snitchesdon't speak. Oh yeah, yeah,
so he he had spoken with AutistTool, who was there. He was
there with like the like the themount Rushmore's not really a tool was there
and he actually so one of thedrawings that we mentioned earlier, he had
(35:37):
signed, um sliced me off apiece, right, um Audist Tool we're
talking about But I mean, yeah, Audist Tool had confessed to killing Adam
Walsh and then were candid and hemay have been a party to him original
(36:00):
and confessing and known more about theconfession as he worked in the library at
the prison end, which is wherehe supposedly met Ted Bundy, which one
of the documentaries that said that Tedhad extra library time because he had friends
in the library. Right, So, well, you know, because you
were telling me earlier that apparently hesaid that Ted Bundy wasn't looked up to
(36:22):
him. Yeah, but that wassomething else you said. I can't remember
said he pressed him impressed. AndI just wonder if I don't think him
prison. No, I don't thinkhe didn't really Ted Bundy. I don't
think anybody in prison, and Idon't really think that he Ted Bundy near
until the end when he thought hewas going to get out of the death
sentence. Really didn't even talk likeall the big serial killer stuff. He
(36:45):
didn't bask in it. No,he was kind of like, you know,
he didn't talk about the killings ofthe other indmates. Know, he
didn't do any of that until theend when he thought he could get out
of the death sentence, and hewas just all book and you know him,
well not really as far as tradedidn't go full Charlie. Yeah,
he didn't don't ever go full Charlie. No. But like I'm just wondering
(37:07):
though if even if he didn't fullybecause like the club that we watched a
why I go where he's saying?You know that Ted Bundy was like how
many did you really get? Youknow whatever? I just wonder, But
I mean I can almost see ifI can play people library time? Yeah,
like can I had this book oryou know or more? Because I
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mean I'm sure they only gave him, like, you know, not only
set library time, but like maybeset books or only for a certain amount
of time. Other prisoners might nameyeah or maybe yeah. I'm just like,
but you know what I'm saying though, late, I could totally see
Ted Bundy playing somebody. I mean, fuck, you know, he can't
have a cast in the in thejail and asked, you know, can
you come help me put this inmy car? So he's got to play
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him somehow. So the so theguy who killed in Vincent Rivera um Sundra
London would later say that Rivera hadkilled him over an argument over a cup
of coffee. Some accounts say,okay, yea, some accounts eighty you
can't be somebody's commissary. I meanno, I mean I agree, but
I believe a few other accounts comeout that it had to do with the
(38:12):
snitching. It had to do withmoney, he owed. Okay, now
I could see that, but notthe fucking coffee, like get real.
But the snitching could have been Imean, yeah, okay. Anyway,
so Killer Funk, Killer Function,Killer Function was um republished in ninety seven,
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and at this point, after she'dleft him for for Danny rawling and
uh, I believe they were engaged. By the way, at some point
um she added in more pictures andother stuff that he had seen, because
at this point he couldn't sewer,right, Maybe that's why he got killed.
(38:58):
Maybe she hired dude, I'm joking, right, So that's the dead
bodies. Yeah, there could havebeen more dead bodies to this story.
But Vincent Rivera yeah, I meananonymously. I don't know that he was
gonna do anything when they came.I bet. I mean, I feel
(39:19):
like he would have got they wouldhave got there and he would have just
been like, yeah, I know, or he could have played it up
and tried to get something out ofit. Yeah, and what could he
have even got? No, Idon't know, coffee, right, I
mean, because he wasn't going anywhereor so. I mean, it's like
he could have got his ship cut. Instead he got his ship cut and
(39:44):
stabbed for real, for real andkilled. That would be kilt, killed,
very much killed. Anyway, guys, wrapping up this episode, Thanks
for sticking around, Thanks for beingbeing here, right, thanks for coming
back. We're on most social media. I don't know what we're not on.
(40:07):
Well, run all social media thatDead Body Show or kd B that
I get that backwards every time.That what he said, or you can
search us that Dead Body show andfind us. Yeah right, we're the
only one. All right, guys, We'll see you next week, and
(40:28):
we're going to close out with apromo from our friend Hunter from Murder and
Such. I had obviously you've beenworking at astound these past few weeks and
binge to shows and it got methrough several rounds laughing my ass off.
So see you next week. Bye, guys. My name is Hunter,
(40:52):
and I welcome you to Murdering Such, a podcast about murders, the maccab
true crime, I'm serial killers,and other dark subject matter. Join me
for the first fifty episodes, wheremy co hosts and I discussed some of
the most well known cases and someyou've probably never heard of, or join
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