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On that Dead Body show. Wetalk about death and murder and TI.
Hi guys, Hey guys, we'reback after for our once a year podcast.
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tickets, and we get to meetNikki from Strictly Homicide. Okay, guys,
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so this week we're going to betalking about Todd Colub and if you
don't remember who he is. Hewas the serial killer well technically yes,
the serial color. Yes I don'tthink so, but whatever, right,
nor do I? Who kept awoman locked in a shipping container she was
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rescued. We all saw the bodycamfootage of the police officers who the sheriff
said she was chained like a dog. Chained like a dog. So that
being said, let's here these creepykids. Yeah, I missed the creepy
kids. Okay, guys. Soon November third, twenty sixteen, twenty
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sixteen, Kyla Brown, who's thirtyyears old at the time, is has
been missing for about two months,right, and phone records have led them
to a property in South Carolina,and you know they're searching. They don't
even think they're going to find heralive. And while they were there talking,
being loud, you know, searchinglike hey, guys, you got
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anything over there, they here knockingon this shipping container and they find her
chained to a wall. They cutit open. Yeah, the locks didn't
keep them out as long as Iguess he had hoped it they would,
right, So, um, that'sfunny because he Todd Cole left several Amazon
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reviews about lots of things that wereobviously used in some of his crimes.
You're right, didn't he say thatthe locks that he actually used on his
shipping containers. It was he's like, I have six of them on a
shipping in there and won't keep themout forever, but it will keep him
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out long enough to where they don'tcare anymore. Something. I'll look it
up in a few moments. Anyway, So they get in there and they
find her at the back of theshop container behind like a whole bunch of
stuff. There's something really hinky aboutthat video. I may post that on
our YouTube or our facebook page lateron rum And they come in, I
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mean, she's it's almost like theycame in and they rescued her and they
were like, hold on, let'sredo this. It really is no.
Yeah, she's and I think andthey come in and they're like, where's
your boyfriend or where's your boyfriend?And she's like, Charlie's like yeah,
and then she's like he shot himand they're like who shot him? And
she's like, Todd Cole up shotCharlie Carver in the chest and wrapped him
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up in a blue tie. Neverlooking up. It just sounds so rope.
I mean, she's not only that, but it's the way she's sitting.
To me, she's sitting and Iknow they're trying to cut her loose,
but like it's the way she's sitting, is I mean, And it's
not even like she said he shotmy boyfriend on night. She didn't know
emotion at all. It just seemedreally really it seemed like it seems to
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me in all honesty that they openedthat shipping container and she was expecting him
and then she had to be like, oh shit, yeah, I gotta
tell them what ha happened. Igotta make this real. I mean she
it was, and I mean Iget it. Everybody processes things different.
So I'm sure somebody's gonna at meand be like she was in shock.
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I can I can play the thethe audio if you'd like, yeah,
please do. Do you know whereyour buddy is? Charlie shot him?
He shot him? Who didn't ToddCole? He Charlie Carver three times in
the chest, wrapped him in ablue tart, put him in the bucket
of the tractor, locks me downhere. I've never seen him again.
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He says he's dead and buried.He says, there's several bodies dead and
buried out carry and he says thatthe dogs will be ruined if they go
looking because of Red's people were aroundand there you can you can just hear
how how just like rehearsed. Itsounds to me. I will say that
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there's right before this in the videowhich I'll post the video and its entire
day later. Um, a guynamed Joey from the Sheriff's department leaves a
bottle in the crime zcene. Theyopened the crate. He walks in the
door and drops a water bottle ona chair. Like none of them are
wearing gloves. They rushed up inthere too, like eight of them.
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I mean, I can I cansee them being like, oh my god,
we came here to find a body, and we hear somebody knocking.
But you know, if she's knocking, goddamn it, she's alive. So
hold up, bitch, we comein. Let me put on some gloves
in preserves and all of those seemslike, like I said, like they
did this, they found her,then they put everything back closed and said
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home, let's do this again.I mean, it really seems like that
too. Well, I mean,you know, and obviously we'll discuss the
whole case, but they bungle alot, it seems, you know,
as as the more I've read intothis, because at first I thought,
okay, whatever, you know,she was found in a shipping container.
And then as more information comes out, and then you find out that the
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sheriff that's on this now is newyou know, newer, right, and
he just answers questions like so oddly, like he tells one reporter you got
on a nice dress later on,right. So it just seems really weird
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to me, this whole thing,especially when at the same time that they're
doing this, they're serving a warrantat Todd Coleep's house. So they've got
two crews. They've got this crewon his property, which was like ninety
some odd acres. Yeah, that'sa good mini. I can't remember.
I think it was ninety five acres, I want to say. But so
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they've got a crew on the ninetyfive acre plot where they tracked her cell
phone activity too, and they've gotlike four or five detectives questioning him.
So they find her and they callit and they call the other detectives who
are questioning Todd and they're like hmmokay, all right, yeah, and
they had the phone and they're like, so we found, we found And
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he doesn't even like blink. He'slike oh either. He's been so fucking
prepared for this because obviously at somepoint, you know he's gonna get called
because he literally's like what like orhe says something back, but he's not
like what or you found who?He was just like we're like, oh
okay, I mean just saying allright, there's like he said later that
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they were boyfriend and girlfriend, whichled me to listen to all of the
video I could of her, andI can't say that he's lying. I
don't think that he is lying.I think he invited them out there,
I think, and she brought himand he wasn't expecting him to come,
either that or he maybe he waslike, well, if you're going to
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that Todd guy's house, I'm going. So they get there and he comes,
the boyfriend like goes to get beeror something and comes back in.
Todd and her feel like they senthim off, like you know, like
go around the bend and get thechange or something, you know, because
they're supposed to be clear in brushlean or something, and he comes back
and catches on in flagrante delecto.What did you say in the other episode,
making would you say that sounds yeah? Yeah, sweet, I don't
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think I think he was, andI think he and Charlie probably did what
any guy would do. He wasprobably like the fuck or get off my
girlfriend, or you bitch or fuckyou hoe. I mean, it's shady,
that's my girl dog. Yeah,I mean, And so he probably
and Todd Coleup was a big guy. So I can't picture this this little
guy like lungeon at and but hemight have because he sees him on his
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girl and maybe he thinks but likethey said in Clue, that could be
what happened, right or so afterthey rescue her and they arrest him,
right, she's being transported away fromthe scene in an ambulance and if anybody
knows what happened to his dog,please let us know, right, because
they're at his home there. He'slike, I'm not even worried about the
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police being there. He's like,Oh, the dog's gonna pee, she's
gonna pay. Oh, she's gonnapay. He says yeah, because he
said, you know, he says, she's a big baby, and I
really would like to know that thedog's okay. Well it's been four years
now, or was okay. Andin another video, an interview with her,
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they're asking her about her time thereright in the ambulance. And this
is the thing that led us tostop recording. Actually before we started,
I was showing gret Brandy some ofsome of the all the videos that we've
been watching. She showed me someof the ones that she had seen,
and she says something in this videothat leads me to believe that maybe Todd
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didn't kill Charlie. M h.And I mean that this is totally my
my belief. But you can onlyhave so many slips of the tongue before
it's not a slip of the tongueanymore, right, it's a oh.
I didn't really mean to say that, y'all. When he showed me this,
I made him rewind it like threetimes. And I literally was just
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like in shock, like because Ihad watched even the thing on Investigative Discovery,
but they cut this part out.They don't show this part. This
was like the full this was likethe full actual bodycamp. I guess it
was bodycam. I'm assuming in theambulance is that body camp if that was
a m T or not. SoI'm gonna play that and I'm gonna see
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if you guys, can't you Hedidn't really move her, felt was there?
What did Todd do while you werethere? You would get there between
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one and three block every day,take me up to the main building,
being mean, I mean, youdo whatever he wanted sexually, and then
he'd put me back to the buildingand didn't. He would always come back
five and seven, take me backup to the building, being again most
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of the time, get whatever youget whatever I do mean or sexually.
Again, very used to do anythingyou wanted. If I said no,
he didn't force himself on me,and he said he didn't believe it right,
but he made it very well knownwhile I was there, and if
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I wasn't useful that I wouldn't needto be kept me long term, and
they need to be Did he evertell you how many people he's killed out
there? Story wise? He's toldme about four. He also told me
that he walked into a few yearsback, that he walked into a bike
shop at Anderson and shot four peopleon left and they never found up and
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did it. He liked to bragthat he was a serial killer and a
mass murderer. He said he's gonnakill more people because he had dreams of
his body count changing three digits.He said, right now, it was
still a high to he just stick. He said, if I was a
boom girl, hed to be hada killer to be as a partner.
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He said he used to kill peopleto go to ben And City with the
Harry Carry contractor that when he gothome he just couldn't beat the stands a
bad at everybody. He said heliked doing grove killers and stuff, but
that for some reason he just wantedbeing that Charlie just had to go se
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So did you guys catch it?Okay, it's a trip. There's actually
a couple of things in there,she slips up. One of the first
things I noticed was she says thesecond time that he comes back for the
day, that they do whatever shewants it, I mean, he wants
sexually. That was really really strange. I mean, I mean, if
it was me on top of himsaying that they were boyfriend and girlfriends,
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and having proof, yeah, well, well he's the letters. Nobody ever
really sees because he ends up laterfleeing guilty and the police have that in
evidence. But um, in theI believe it was the ID documentary,
the three part things. Yeah,that was like two hours apiece. They
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actually showed the Facebook messages from himand her where she's like I'm available and
that you know, he he meaningCharlie is going out of town or leaving
or something, and she's like,so I'm available to come over or something
like right, so there's some credenceto that. But the next thing she
talks about is him having high digitbody count, which he said he told
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the FBI and the sheriff and andyeah, and he also tells if any
of you have not already watched theI should get money for this shif I
swear the investigative discovery When what isit killer in chain or serial killer and
chain ye, killer in chain whatever? Anyway, he's got his chin.
Yeah. Um, he tells herthey've got only ten percent of the story.
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There's you know, And a womangoes to question the new sheriff about
it. Yeah. Yeah, that'swhere the dress ties in because he just
steamrolls her. He's like, youknow, she says he told you about
extra body or other body. Yes, that sure is a nice dress you've
got on. Next question, yeatsis over. Yeah, I mean it's
insane. Like he does not wantto they do not want to discuss the
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fact that this man could have possiblykilled more because I think that they know
he did. I don't think thatthere was a law. I'm not saying
he's like, you know, gottwo and three hundred kills necessarily, but
like, I think that there weremore, and I think that they know
it, and they're fucking embarrassed.It's what I think. Well, I
mean, we watched Joey drop awater bottle right inside the crime scene,
not Paige. She also includes inthat body count the super bike murders,
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which at this point happened in twothousand and three. So you're talking thirteen
year law. Yeah, thirteen yearlaw in them not knowing who killed these
people. But that was supposedly aspree killing or whatever that see it,
That to me is not a serialkilling. He walked in and in later
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interviews when he here's what he toldthem happened, he said that they made
fun they made fun of him,and he went back in the shot them
all. I think I almost Ithink his mom was there at least for
one of the main counters, becauseshe seems like an overbearing that I mean,
really, she's so in denial.I didn't raise a monster, blake,
did you did? You did?And when he didn't get his fucking
way, you sent him to hisdad when he got too much at your
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house. Remember, because she tellshim he destroys the furniture. She bought
me furniture to keep him there,and he destroyed it with a hatchet.
So he bought a bike from thesuper bike people. He couldn't ride.
They were they were They were reallycrappy about it and would not refund his
money. They shouldn't have said,well, they asked him. The stepdad
of Scott Ponder that owned it,that owned the super bike plays says that
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he believes his stepson and his wife, because she was an office manager,
were ultimately killed because when Scott,not Scott, I'm sorry, when Todd
came in, they said, haha, are you here to buy another bike
just to get stolen. So thatleads me to believe he had bought a
bike from them, and then hegot stolen and they mocked him. Obviously,
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dumb, but like you what I'msaying, Like, so he was
in the bad well I mean,I mean he was a successful of realt
or, so he probably bought itout right, which is very strange because
he was a sex offender. Right, I don't understand how he got his
license. There was a lot ofmissteps in this hole, I mean from
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the get go that I would say. But the last big thing in that
audio is near the end. Thereshe talks about Todd had having been a
paramilitary contractor a killer for the government, and if she showed promise or if
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she was a good girl, thathe would let her. He would take
her under under his wing, likeas a protege or a partner. But
she had to prove she was serious, right, that's what she says.
But Charlie had to go to proveI was serious. So if you're trying
trying to become a contract killer andyou have to prove you're serious, that
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would mean that you kill somebody.So that's the part that Brandy listened to
over and over, and she spoiledmy story by giving it away before the
end. But yes, she says, but he only wanted me, So
Charlie had to go to prove Iwas serious. So if Brandy and I
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are hanging out with Todd and Brandywants to become his protege and I have
to go to prove Brandy serious,that means Brandy has to kill me.
The only other way I can takethat is if he told her Charlie's got
to go lure him here, andI'm going to kill him like he like
either way she knew Charlie was goinglike, I feel like, I don't
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feel like it was that on topof the tongue slips of about the sexual
gratification, and she was loving timeor whatever he got her. He got
her past and pins and books andshit like she had flies up in that
ship like he was taking care ofher. Yeah, I mean she was
changed to a wall, but thereare we don't even know that she was.
We don't even know that she couldhave done that shit as soon as
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she heard them coming in, right, she could have. I mean,
hello, yeah, she was shroudingher prisoner. I mean, is she
changed or is she not changed?We don't know until we opened the contact.
I mean, you know, she'sgot the fucking sense, you know,
to not out herself well Okay,I wish say she ain't got the
fucking sense, but she didn't becauseshe messed up. But I mean,
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you know, she goes on tosue, this is part of me being
a cynical bastard and not believing anythingat face value and just watching for ulterior,
ulterior motives in everything that everyone does. Well, I mean, I
have to be honest with you.I'm getting there. No, I mean,
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I agree, I don't think thatshe was a victim that she played.
I don't. I do not,And I'm sorry, you know,
Okay, I'm not sorry, butand I mean it makes me sound like
and I'm not victim shaming, butany means because there are a real victims
again, So that that was partof the reason. That was the part
of the problem we had with recordingthis episode. Didn't feel right putting it
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out there having just really discovered that. And um so we've we've I've seen
all the court proceedings. They're actuallyavailable online. The one of the local
news stations there did a real greatjob covering this thing. I mean,
they had everything. But I didfile for Freedom of Information Act request both
with the Caroline I'm Beer over investigation. She was trying like a doll and
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the locals there, I don't Iwas going to wait and forego this episode.
But we don't know that they'll everanswer. I don't think that they
will. They may send you atake you right, or they'll send me
a bunch of pages with black lineson them, or or most likely I
would have to pay for the blacklivespeac in to me. But I mean,
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I just feel like they they knowshit and they have not on top
of Joey leaving the water bog andnot, nobody's wearing glove. I don't
know if we said this earlier,but nobody's wearing gloves in this ship,
like nobody is. Even if theydid go there expecting to find this bitch
dead, there was there was nolack of Yeah, I don't think there
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was lack of training. I justthink they didn't give a fuck. I
think that they thought, Okay,we're gonna go find her dead, but
they weren't thinking this through, likewe should, you know, be able
to look for fingerprints and shit likehello, right right, and they all
just walked right on up in there. There there's a cat in one scene.
I believe a fucking cat I missedthe cat. Holy fuck. I
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okay, look if this bitch hada cat in there, and we're gonna
pet But there was dog food inthere. There was a big bag of
dog food, I believe, rightinside the door. I'm gonna have to
go back. Guys, I'm gonnahave to give back. Can we realized
that. I'll post the both ofthese videos? Okay, So our question
in all of this was obviously,who was Todd. I mean, she's
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saying he's this like serial killer andcontract killer and whatever. Todd grew up
in a split home. His motherand father divorced when he was too Dad
moved out west. I want tosay, Arizona, Utah one of those
places, Okay, somewhere out westhe got he got sick of hanging with
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his mom and decided he wanted togo with his birth father. That's where.
And she said, but Todd,I just bought you all this new
furniture. So Todd took a hammerto the furniture. Yeah, Tod said,
I'll be going now listen right,Okay, But see, so before
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all actually all of that, hewas, Um, I can only imagine
he's, you know, be beinga preschool teacher all those years. I
can only imagine the reports that weregoing home to this mom because his psychological
report came back, you know,and said that in fucking nursery school he
was aggressive and destructive to other kidsproperty. So you're talking in preschool that's
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up to five years old. Howfucking destructive do you have to be and
aggressive to other kids for that tobe in your psychological work up as a
teenager when you get arrested later?Well, I mean, maybe she's just
I mean, who where did theyget that information? No that I'm not
sure they get it from the momwhen they said, well has he ever
hanging? No, I think theygot I think they got it from the
dad, I think. And that'sI think, guys, that's not a
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third hand information. Anyway. Well, they interviewed his dad in the in
the documentary that I was talking aboutearlier, and he tells them that he
was very destructive. So when hemoves out with his dad, he kind
of chills there. His dad saysthat he was there or had someone there
with him all the time. Obviouslyat some point he didn't And Todd,
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there's something hinky about this story aswell. To me, Supposedly, he
lures this girl out of her homeand says, this guy that she likes
is out there, and pulls agun owner and forces her to his house,
which apparently was only a couple ofdoors down or something. It was
within walking or another part of thestory. Another version of the story says
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that he got her to come tohis house, duct taped her, and
raped her, statually molested her insome sort and actually she made fun of
where he was putting in and toldhim he was so stupid he didn't know
what he was doing, which,okay, okay, can we just have
that means to me, I'm justgonna say, you're tied up and bound,
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that's you. That's you. You'reyou're the smart ass bench. He's
gonna be like, you're a Imean, okay, so she was a
kid, true, so maybe youknow I mean giving her, but you're
right, that'd be me. I'dbe like, motherfucker, are you dumb?
I mean, and then walks herhome and pulls a gun on and
says, hey, if you tellanybody, I'll come back and kill you
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or your family or everybody. Sothe guns has been brought out in like
and there's another version where he pullsit out at the house enforces her to
and so there's the guns. Thisis here's the problem. The gun in
the story. It's what makes itthe kidnap, you know, that's what
makes it the what that's what getshimTo fifteen years because he arm But I
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think that the gun also has todo with the fact that he says the
reason he was arrested is because hisdad was a gun seller and her family
was a member of the PTA orthe school board or something of that sort.
So of course there had to bea gun in the story for it
to trace back to the dad.You know, bad parenting to a bad
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child. So I'm not sure aboutthat story. But he did get fifteen
years for that, and he wasregistered, and he was supposed to register
as a sex offender, which leadsnot me, which would preclude you from
being able to sell real estate.I would think, yes, it does.
I mean, I'm not sure whyreally, but I mean, I
guess having access to all those propertiesor something, well, I mean I
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would think, if you, okay, this is just me personally, I
would think if you're a registered sexoffender, either that or you would be
limited on what you could sell,because what if you're selling a house to
these people and they have kids there, or what if you're selling a house
is right across the street from aschool. If you couldn't take that listing
and that would lose you money.I mean, I mean, yeah,
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guys. Can you hear our kidin quarantine playing Fortnite? Right? He's
playing Fortnite but whatever, he's gaminganyway. So he serves his fifteen years
and while he is in prison,Um, he you know, it is
talked about how he becomes a realestate He starts his journey towards he grows,
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so he kidnaps. He graduates whilehe's in prison, because he's you
know, king, he graduates highschool. Yeah right, Um, but
his his mom actually gave him theidea to become a real estate agent.
Hey, I know you rape andkidnap people, but be a real estate
agent where you can lure people toa house. It's like, hey,
Todd, you ever thought it?You know, you're really good at selling
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people stuff. Look you got thatgirl to come to the house. Um.
But apparently it comes out in histherapy that at age nine, he
had started going to counseling and Hewas described as being explosive and preoccupied with
sexual content. He also displayed crueltyto animals. He bleached to bleach.
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Clarks bleached a gold dish. Idon't even know what the fuck that means.
I don't know if he put thelike poured like a bowl of I
don't know. But he killed itwith bleach. So I'm because he didn't
want it anymore because he didn't remember. Yeah, yeah, so he clearly
had. He had some more.It was he had a lot of anger
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issues and it and it didn't calmdown. I feel like it just didn't
calm down for him. Ever,the anger were we doing the Amal's unreviews?
Yeah, so a lot of these, uh should have been triggers to
something. I mean, they knowso much about me, they know what
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the hell I want to buy.They give me. As I was about
to ask, my social media islike, hey, we know you looked
at this two weeks ago. Forfive fucking seconds, they hear us talking
about it like me talked about herGlobal forge. No, that's how we
became a podcast. Remember it showedup in my Google feed and I was
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like, I think the question ishe left these reviews, and he was
a real you like this. Iknow you've got the little short shovels like
boy scouts used and old army people. I guess I don't know a trenching
shovel. It's a trenching tool.It's a folding shovel. Here's his review,
five stars, keeping car for whenyou have to hide the body and
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then and then it says keeping carfrom when you have to hide the bodies
and you left the full size shovelat home. Dot dot dot does not
come with a midget, which wouldhave been nice. Those things are ship
to use. Really, they're soup No trenching tools. Midgets are real
easy to use. They're like pocketsize. I'm joking, I'm joking.
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I was confused. Guy. Hehas a review for a fifty million volts
done gun. Yeah, it's usingcapacitors and whatnot. Seriously, trying to
find a reason to zapp one ofmy agents for being lazy. It's going
to be the new office motivational toolis the padlock works master lock hidden checkle
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padlock works great. Also, ifsomeone talks back, go old school on
them by putting this in a sockand beating them. They will not appreciate
the hardened steel like you will.Works great on shipping containers too. Master
Padlock five stars solid locks have fiveon a shipping container. Won't stop them,
(32:24):
but sure will slow them down untilthey're too old to care? Did
I see? What I would liketo know is if people because can't you
react to the blacker than my soul? Oh my god? What Huska Varna
four fifty five ranch or twenty ismy favorite? Two stroke gas powers chainsaw
(32:46):
works excellent. Getting the neighbor tostand still while you chase him with it
is hard enough without having to havingtoo easy to use, without having an
easy to use chainsaw. That wasnot so bad. That one's that one's
funny. That's almost a humorous saying. I actually pictured leather face. I
mean, like, yeah, right, a knife, you know, something
(33:07):
like I got to stab somebody else. When I do, it will be
with a quality tool like this one. My question is, is like this
people? But I think people thoughtit was being funny. I guess I
guess quit being funny in your reviews. People. I mean maybe they were
maybe they were flagged, but maybethey just I mean obviously they didn't take
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them to fuck down because they wereusing evidence. Well, they would have
been using evidence. There are abunch of Facebook posts to him when people
find out he's a say, Igoogled your name and it says you're a
sex offender. But why why didthey google him? Why were they looking
into the google everybody? Okay,you do sometimes you google yourself. I
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google myself when I'm here alone atnight. But okay, so he obviously
had some issues. Well okay,so some people said he was the best
darn real estate agent ever. Somesaid that he was like the best real
estate agent ever and he just Imean, couldn't fucking do nothing wrong,
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and he been over backwards and Imean would have gave him the shirt off
his back. And some people saidhe would get angry at the drop of
a hat and start talking about gunsthat he had and raping and killing and
killing things and people and how easyit is would be to do things like
that. And maybe that's how thatguy came to I mean, because I
think that the lady who talks abouthim doing that, I think she followed
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her a complaint and that's when shefound out he was a sexual sex offender.
I'm sorry, you're right, Shecaught him a sexual predator. That's
the way she said it. Andit irritated me and I didn't want her
to talk anymore, but she did. Okay. So at this point the
police obviously have arrested him for atminimum Kayla right, being shining like a
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dog, kidnapped whatever, um.And so at some point obviously you know,
she's already told him right, well, it got suspected murder of Charles,
right because at this point they're nowthey're looking forward. They find the
car that they drive their hid overto the side somewhere and they and it
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looked like yeah, and then likethere's like pines rows of you know,
averit. So if they're looking aerially. The police said that when they first
investigated the property, when they firsther cell phone there, they saw the
container and thought it was a growup They thought it was. And they
saw that little house, the littleum because it was all off the grid.
There was no power there, right, I think I think there were
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solar panels where they're not solar panels, and they thought it was a grow
up. Um. But so atthis point he's in't you know, he's
been interviewed, and she's told themin the ambulance that he killed the superbike
people and to which was one ofthe largest right murdered in the in the
history of the of that area,right right, I understand the biggest unsolved
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case they had, I believe,right, And to boot on that one,
um and to boot on that caseall those years that it had been
unsolved. Todd was in the listof customers number one and had never been
investigated, which another failure by localpolice because here's the thing that's they'd even
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done a fucking background checked on him. They would have seen that he was
a registered sex offender and as weall know from law and order, that
immediately gets you fucking questioned, rightI guess, well, yeah, on
every law and order they're like Craiganalways comes in and goes check the area
for sex offenders to track them down. I mean, that's right. But
so he should have been questioned hewas a felon, right true, So
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first of all, even even ifbut secondly they mislabeled blood samples so that
they got all sidetracked because they thinkthat the wife of Scott Ponder, who
owned it, was having an affairwas one of the mechanics. So they're
all in her fucking cheerios, talkingabout we know why he was killed because
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you were having an affair with thisguy, because they did a blood several
test and her husbands and the mechanicswell apparently they were laying pretty close.
And then she was like, no, I want you to check it again
right now, we'll see. Whatthey did was they were fucking little sneaky
sneaks, and they waited. Theycalled her in, you know, to
talk to her about he gave hera drink. Yeah. No, Well,
they waited for her to have tochange the baby, and they took
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the fucking baby's diaper and they testedthe diaper and they were like, oh,
no, this is it, y'all. Guys, come in, Come
in, guys, we've got this. She was cheating and tunnel vision.
Yeah, And so they bring herback in and they're like, well,
we know, we know you werehaving an affair with this other the mechanic
I believe his name was Scott Lucas, And they're like, we know you
were cheating on your husband and thebaby as this guy's over here, and
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she's like the fuck. I mean, she probably didn't say that, but
she probably thinking it, and She'slike no, and they were like yes,
and they were like here's this andshe goes, well, you take
another test right now, Well itcomes back of course they test her.
Yeah, well they tell they testthe baby. Yeah, they test the
baby. She was like, doit right in front, and it matches
what they have as being the mechanics. I purged in right, and it
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was confused. But my whole pointis is that they'd have done their fucking
job correctly and not mishandled shit.A lot of this could have not happened
well right, And I mean likethen see that and the next two bodies
that are found there. The Coxiswouldn't have been murdered because he would have
been in jail for the super Whitemurders if they had a questioned it,
because you know, his ass wouldhave folded. Hey were you in there?
Yeah, they made fund of meand I shot him all because he
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Oh, he was so proud ofthat. In the interview he said,
he tells them I cleared that Icleared that room in thirties. I don't
know, I cleared that room inthirty seconds. You would have been so
proud. So I think they werejust like okaying cricket, Like I think
if he'd have been questioned and inthat early little time period at the beginning
of a fucking course starteen years later, he's gonna be like, what's up?
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So um, he decides while he'sin jail, and this is again
in the documentary, he talks tothe lady that's interviewing him and he says,
you know, I'm telling you there'sway more than this, and right,
and this is this when they kickon the help, well, she
sets up. She wants to doa phone interview first, and then she
decides to get a meeting, andshe asked for permission. She emails them
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and they're like, you can come, but you can't record. You can't.
Yeah, But what they don't knowis it's being recorded, like right,
all communications he's held in the phoneconversation. I'm going to plead guilty.
But he had not told his lawyer, he had not told the prosecutor,
he had not told the police.So when they get down there,
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I mean like almost immediately they're like, hey, they get down there and
they're like, it's somebody monitoring theconversation. I get the hell fuck they
did? The fuck? Yes,it was her and his former employee that
he has now asked to write hiswhat do you call an autobiography or whatever,
and somebody else, somebody else wasthere and now I can't remember it
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was, but he's you know,she's talking to him, and the police,
the deputies come in and they're like, come here, and she's like,
she tells him, She's like,hold on, they're talking to us.
And she goes over there and theco worker is starts talking to him
and they tell her you have nobusiness to be in here, and she
was like, but I asked permissionto be here. And they're like,
you've got to You've got to go. You're here into false pretenses, and
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she flat out she shows the emails. She's like, I want to interview
Todd hole up. He's asked meto come up there. Blow. I
mean, she lays it out.And she also asked to interview the sheriff,
who later tells her she has anice dress. Right when she asked
him a question about the app.I think they were asked her because he
told her first he took the thunder. He was like, fuck this,
I'm not gonna let you put onthis fucking trial, you know, I'm
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gonna, I'm gonna plead guilty toit. He stole her thunders. He
played guilty and received seven life sentences. I think it was. Yeah,
he did for the for the murdersof You know, we've made a lot
of jokes, jokes and assumptions andpresumptions and right, and of course as
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usual, this is just us talking. Yeah, this is just us talking,
of course. Um. But inall seriousness, he was found guilty
of the murder of thirty year oldScott Ponder, thirty year old Brian Lucas,
twenty six year old Chris Sherbert,Um, fifty two year old Beverly
Guy, which was Scott Ponder's mom. That were those were the four super
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bike murders, right, and thenum Johnny Coxey who was twenty nine and
his wife Megan Coxey, who hadbeen hired by him to clean up brush
and property. And well, oneset of them was hired to clean up
brush and one set him was hiredto clean up house. I believe they
were the house people. I thinkso. And if I'm not mistaken,
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Guy, if you know about hesaid that they tried to rob him and
he killed them. There's not alot of evidence about that, other than
the guy was shot in the headround about December twenty fifth, right,
and I and I'm almost positive aswell that Megan had been arrested for something
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and she called her mom and beggedher to bond her out of jail because
she needed this job, because hepromised her if she did a good job
on this house, he would giveher all of heart, you know.
And when, of course the formerwhatever she had done, drug addict whatever,
came up missing, they just did. They just me. That's that's
a common police officer thing. Sothose are the those are the lesser of
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society that they don't care about.If I'm if I'm not mistaken, I
don't think that her family is.It's like when a prostitute goes missing.
I mean really yeah on su orwhatever. Great now, he did keep
her, he shot him, andhe did keep her for about a week
and then killed her probably on NewYear's give or take. Yeah. And
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then and then poor Charlie um whichactually he made he or she updates were
made to Charlie's Facebook after they hadbeen missing. We're happy we got married.
Fuck off pretty much, I think, I mean, and somebody's like
dude, where are you or something, and he's like, we're good.
I mean, these are not directquotes, guys, but like, um,
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and and if I'm also not mistaken, I think it was later that.
Yeah, that's part of the thingthat got him caught was the phone,
because because he said they left,they were here and they left before
lunch or right at lunch or something. Fucking be lying with phones now,
and I mean that was a twoyears ago thinking about now, that was
so there was four years ago.Yeah, I'm sorry, I mean I
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just I was. I was justwatching a case the other day where they
were able to prove because I didnot know that your phone, unless you
tell it otherwise, downloads every fuckingwhere you've been on Google. And I
can't remember the case it was.And so this guy was like, I
did not do this. I didnot do this. And at first he
tried to lie and say he wasdoing something else. It turns out he
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was like cheating on his wife orsomething. But he was like, I
swear to God, I did notkill so and checked in here. Yeah,
and he was like and then finallyhe was like, take my phone.
And I don't even remember now hefound it. I like I said,
I was half listening, but Ijust I didn't know that until the
other day. But yeah, that'sso, that's um. And then of
course Kayla who survived, who wenton to get and sue and get part
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of his estate. By the way, I wonder if the dog was involved.
I wonder know where the dog isor was. I don't know if
they'll send me that information. Butthe interview was his mom, Oh she
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is, she's y'all. She shouldbe a she should be having a Cleopatra
wig. She is in the denial. I mean, I know that everybody
loves their children and and everybody wantsto think that their children are good children.
But her, her poor interview,it almost made me cry. It
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was so I felt so sad forher. She was like, God would
never do that. He is nota serial killer, and she sounds I
mean technically, I don't guess heis. He's not. I mean,
she's right, he's not. Well, I mean the Cox he's in Charlie.
I mean, but I mean yeah, but I mean he shot him
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all. But that's too. Soin addition to the four council murderer from
the uh, the Chestney shootings,though the super Bright killings. Uh.
He was charged with account of acount of kidnapping and three council possession of
a weapon during the commission of aviolent crime, which is a shouldn't that
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get him also extra years because he'sa felon and he shouldn't have a good
But that's an add on. I'mjust saying, it's so dumb. That's
something that they were like, weprobably won't get this, so let's just
at it. And then they gotit into the of course, it's South
Carolina, so they probably didn't getit. I mean, they knew they
would get that. It's just likeI just think it was. I mean,
(46:27):
I hope to say overkilled it.Like he's not going anywhere. So
yeah. On May twenty six,twenty seventeen, he played guilty to seven
council murder, two counts kidnapping,and one count of criminal sexual assault.
Got seven consecutive life sentences without thepossibility of parole, in a plea bargain
that spared him the death penalty.And I mean he even says, y'all
(46:52):
in the interview, would I needto find the lady's name. I'll post
it because I feel back calling her, the lady m but he tells her,
he says, look. She sayssomething to the effect of, you
know, where are you trying toget out of this? And he goes,
look, nothing I do or sayingnow is going to make me look
good, he said, But they'reonly telling you, he says. His
lawyer said at the end of itthat there were no other bodies, but
(47:15):
Todd later said that there were atleast two other bodies and that but they
say that, hey, he hasn'tgiven them information. He says, they
don't want the information. I don'tthink that they do want the information.
And if they might, may meanthey have to actually fucking work and somebody
would see them work. And oh, good god, Joey, dude,
leave your water bottle in the car. Guys, get some gloves, right,
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I mean, of course there's ashortage sort of shortage of gloves,
right, right, I just Imean the whole shebain. I don't know.
I would love to know. Atsome point, I would hope he
does, you know, if ifhe really does have a higher body count,
I would hope that at some pointhe would for real go ahead and
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say it. Not just I doubtit, but well, guys, Sorry,
we've droned on so long and druggedthis episode out, but we've missed
you, and I hope you've missedus. And I mean, this case
just begs you to drawn it outbecause you just there's still stuff to cover.
When if I ever get any informationfrom them, I'm sure stay tuned.
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Hi guys, Hey guys, we'reback after for our once a year podcast.
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I'm sorry, the mic came.Then the computer the power supply went
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And we did have a small issuewith the recording of this episode that will
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y'all, if you follow us inthe group or our page, and those
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Yes, the dates are July eleventhand twelfth, and tickets are still
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So make sure if you want togo, you go hit it and
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would hope, so, right,I mean I didn't ask about it.
Then we're gonna show up our ownfucking podcast festival. Bitches. I got
tickets, and we get to meetNikki from Strictly Homicide. Okay, guys,
(02:38):
so this week we're going to betalking about Todd Colub and if you
don't remember who he is. Hewas the serial killer well technically yes,
the serial color. Yes I don'tthink so, but whatever, right,
nor do I? Who kept awoman locked in a shipping container she was
(03:00):
rescued. We all saw the bodycamfootage of the police officers who the sheriff
said she was chained like a dog. Chained like a dog. So that
being said, let's here these creepykids. Yeah, I missed the creepy
kids. Okay, guys. Soon November third, twenty sixteen, twenty
(03:43):
sixteen, Kyla Brown, who's thirtyyears old at the time, is has
been missing for about two months,right, and phone records have led them
to a property in South Carolina,and you know they're searching. They don't
even think they're going to find heralive. And while they were there talking,
being loud, you know, searchinglike hey, guys, you got
(04:04):
anything over there, they here knockingon this shipping container and they find her
chained to a wall. They cutit open. Yeah, the locks didn't
keep them out as long as Iguess he had hoped it they would,
right, So, um, that'sfunny because he Todd Cole left several Amazon
(04:29):
reviews about lots of things that wereobviously used in some of his crimes.
You're right, didn't he say thatthe locks that he actually used on his
shipping containers. It was he's like, I have six of them on a
shipping in there and won't keep themout forever, but it will keep him
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out long enough to where they don'tcare anymore. Something. I'll look it
up in a few moments. Anyway, So they get in there and they
find her at the back of theshop container behind like a whole bunch of
stuff. There's something really hinky aboutthat video. I may post that on
our YouTube or our facebook page lateron rum And they come in, I
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mean, she's it's almost like theycame in and they rescued her and they
were like, hold on, let'sredo this. It really is no.
Yeah, she's and I think andthey come in and they're like, where's
your boyfriend or where's your boyfriend?And she's like, Charlie's like yeah,
and then she's like he shot himand they're like who shot him? And
she's like, Todd Cole up shotCharlie Carver in the chest and wrapped him
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up in a blue tie. Neverlooking up. It just sounds so rope.
I mean, she's not only that, but it's the way she's sitting.
To me, she's sitting and Iknow they're trying to cut her loose,
but like it's the way she's sitting, is I mean, And it's
not even like she said he shotmy boyfriend on night. She didn't know
emotion at all. It just seemedreally really it seemed like it seems to
(05:59):
me in all honesty that they openedthat shipping container and she was expecting him
and then she had to be like, oh shit, yeah, I gotta
tell them what ha happened. Igotta make this real. I mean she
it was, and I mean Iget it. Everybody processes things different.
So I'm sure somebody's gonna at meand be like she was in shock.
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I can I can play the thethe audio if you'd like, yeah,
please do. Do you know whereyour buddy is? Charlie shot him?
He shot him? Who didn't ToddCole? He Charlie Carver three times in
the chest, wrapped him in ablue tart, put him in the bucket
of the tractor, locks me downhere. I've never seen him again.
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He says he's dead and buried.He says, there's several bodies dead and
buried out carry and he says thatthe dogs will be ruined if they go
looking because of Red's people were aroundand there you can you can just hear
how how just like rehearsed. Itsounds to me. I will say that
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there's right before this in the videowhich I'll post the video and its entire
day later. Um, a guynamed Joey from the Sheriff's department leaves a
bottle in the crime zcene. Theyopened the crate. He walks in the
door and drops a water bottle ona chair. Like none of them are
wearing gloves. They rushed up inthere too, like eight of them.
(07:30):
I mean, I can I cansee them being like, oh my god,
we came here to find a body, and we hear somebody knocking.
But you know, if she's knocking, goddamn it, she's alive. So
hold up, bitch, we comein. Let me put on some gloves
in preserves and all of those seemslike, like I said, like they
did this, they found her,then they put everything back closed and said
(07:53):
home, let's do this again.I mean, it really seems like that
too. Well, I mean,you know, and obviously we'll discuss the
whole case, but they bungle alot, it seems, you know,
as as the more I've read intothis, because at first I thought,
okay, whatever, you know,she was found in a shipping container.
And then as more information comes out, and then you find out that the
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sheriff that's on this now is newyou know, newer, right, and
he just answers questions like so oddly, like he tells one reporter you got
on a nice dress later on,right. So it just seems really weird
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to me, this whole thing,especially when at the same time that they're
doing this, they're serving a warrantat Todd Coleep's house. So they've got
two crews. They've got this crewon his property, which was like ninety
some odd acres. Yeah, that'sa good mini. I can't remember.
I think it was ninety five acres, I want to say. But so
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they've got a crew on the ninetyfive acre plot where they tracked her cell
phone activity too, and they've gotlike four or five detectives questioning him.
So they find her and they callit and they call the other detectives who
are questioning Todd and they're like hmmokay, all right, yeah, and
they had the phone and they're like, so we found, we found And
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he doesn't even like blink. He'slike oh either. He's been so fucking
prepared for this because obviously at somepoint, you know he's gonna get called
because he literally's like what like orhe says something back, but he's not
like what or you found who?He was just like we're like, oh
okay, I mean just saying allright, there's like he said later that
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they were boyfriend and girlfriend, whichled me to listen to all of the
video I could of her, andI can't say that he's lying. I
don't think that he is lying.I think he invited them out there,
I think, and she brought himand he wasn't expecting him to come,
either that or he maybe he waslike, well, if you're going to
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that Todd guy's house, I'm going. So they get there and he comes,
the boyfriend like goes to get beeror something and comes back in.
Todd and her feel like they senthim off, like you know, like
go around the bend and get thechange or something, you know, because
they're supposed to be clear in brushlean or something, and he comes back
and catches on in flagrante delecto.What did you say in the other episode,
making would you say that sounds yeah? Yeah, sweet, I don't
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think I think he was, andI think he and Charlie probably did what
any guy would do. He wasprobably like the fuck or get off my
girlfriend, or you bitch or fuckyou hoe. I mean, it's shady,
that's my girl dog. Yeah,I mean, And so he probably
and Todd Coleup was a big guy. So I can't picture this this little
guy like lungeon at and but hemight have because he sees him on his
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girl and maybe he thinks but likethey said in Clue, that could be
what happened, right or so afterthey rescue her and they arrest him,
right, she's being transported away fromthe scene in an ambulance and if anybody
knows what happened to his dog,please let us know, right, because
they're at his home there. He'slike, I'm not even worried about the
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police being there. He's like,Oh, the dog's gonna pee, she's
gonna pay. Oh, she's gonnapay. He says yeah, because he
said, you know, he says, she's a big baby, and I
really would like to know that thedog's okay. Well it's been four years
now, or was okay. Andin another video, an interview with her,
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they're asking her about her time thereright in the ambulance. And this
is the thing that led us tostop recording. Actually before we started,
I was showing gret Brandy some ofsome of the all the videos that we've
been watching. She showed me someof the ones that she had seen,
and she says something in this videothat leads me to believe that maybe Todd
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didn't kill Charlie. M h.And I mean that this is totally my
my belief. But you can onlyhave so many slips of the tongue before
it's not a slip of the tongueanymore, right, it's a oh.
I didn't really mean to say that, y'all. When he showed me this,
I made him rewind it like threetimes. And I literally was just
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like in shock, like because Ihad watched even the thing on Investigative Discovery,
but they cut this part out.They don't show this part. This
was like the full this was likethe full actual bodycamp. I guess it
was bodycam. I'm assuming in theambulance is that body camp if that was
a m T or not. SoI'm gonna play that and I'm gonna see
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if you guys, can't you Hedidn't really move her, felt was there?
What did Todd do while you werethere? You would get there between
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one and three block every day,take me up to the main building,
being mean, I mean, youdo whatever he wanted sexually, and then
he'd put me back to the buildingand didn't. He would always come back
five and seven, take me backup to the building, being again most
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of the time, get whatever youget whatever I do mean or sexually.
Again, very used to do anythingyou wanted. If I said no,
he didn't force himself on me,and he said he didn't believe it right,
but he made it very well knownwhile I was there, and if
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I wasn't useful that I wouldn't needto be kept me long term, and
they need to be Did he evertell you how many people he's killed out
there? Story wise? He's toldme about four. He also told me
that he walked into a few yearsback, that he walked into a bike
shop at Anderson and shot four peopleon left and they never found up and
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did it. He liked to bragthat he was a serial killer and a
mass murderer. He said he's gonnakill more people because he had dreams of
his body count changing three digits.He said, right now, it was
still a high to he just stick. He said, if I was a
boom girl, hed to be hada killer to be as a partner.
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He said he used to kill peopleto go to ben And City with the
Harry Carry contractor that when he gothome he just couldn't beat the stands a
bad at everybody. He said heliked doing grove killers and stuff, but
that for some reason he just wantedbeing that Charlie just had to go se
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So did you guys catch it?Okay, it's a trip. There's actually
a couple of things in there,she slips up. One of the first
things I noticed was she says thesecond time that he comes back for the
day, that they do whatever shewants it, I mean, he wants
sexually. That was really really strange. I mean, I mean, if
it was me on top of himsaying that they were boyfriend and girlfriends,
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and having proof, yeah, well, well he's the letters. Nobody ever
really sees because he ends up laterfleeing guilty and the police have that in
evidence. But um, in theI believe it was the ID documentary,
the three part things. Yeah,that was like two hours apiece. They
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actually showed the Facebook messages from himand her where she's like I'm available and
that you know, he he meaningCharlie is going out of town or leaving
or something, and she's like,so I'm available to come over or something
like right, so there's some credenceto that. But the next thing she
talks about is him having high digitbody count, which he said he told
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the FBI and the sheriff and andyeah, and he also tells if any
of you have not already watched theI should get money for this shif I
swear the investigative discovery When what isit killer in chain or serial killer and
chain ye, killer in chain whatever? Anyway, he's got his chin.
Yeah. Um, he tells herthey've got only ten percent of the story.
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There's you know, And a womangoes to question the new sheriff about
it. Yeah. Yeah, that'swhere the dress ties in because he just
steamrolls her. He's like, youknow, she says he told you about
extra body or other body. Yes, that sure is a nice dress you've
got on. Next question, yeatsis over. Yeah, I mean it's
insane. Like he does not wantto they do not want to discuss the
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fact that this man could have possiblykilled more because I think that they know
he did. I don't think thatthere was a law. I'm not saying
he's like, you know, gottwo and three hundred kills necessarily, but
like, I think that there weremore, and I think that they know
it, and they're fucking embarrassed.It's what I think. Well, I
mean, we watched Joey drop awater bottle right inside the crime scene,
not Paige. She also includes inthat body count the super bike murders,
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which at this point happened in twothousand and three. So you're talking thirteen
year law. Yeah, thirteen yearlaw in them not knowing who killed these
people. But that was supposedly aspree killing or whatever that see it,
That to me is not a serialkilling. He walked in and in later
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interviews when he here's what he toldthem happened, he said that they made
fun they made fun of him,and he went back in the shot them
all. I think I almost Ithink his mom was there at least for
one of the main counters, becauseshe seems like an overbearing that I mean,
really, she's so in denial.I didn't raise a monster, blake,
did you did? You did?And when he didn't get his fucking
way, you sent him to hisdad when he got too much at your
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house. Remember, because she tellshim he destroys the furniture. She bought
me furniture to keep him there,and he destroyed it with a hatchet.
So he bought a bike from thesuper bike people. He couldn't ride.
They were they were They were reallycrappy about it and would not refund his
money. They shouldn't have said,well, they asked him. The stepdad
of Scott Ponder that owned it,that owned the super bike plays says that
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he believes his stepson and his wife, because she was an office manager,
were ultimately killed because when Scott,not Scott, I'm sorry, when Todd
came in, they said, haha, are you here to buy another bike
just to get stolen. So thatleads me to believe he had bought a
bike from them, and then hegot stolen and they mocked him. Obviously,
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dumb, but like you what I'msaying, Like, so he was
in the bad well I mean,I mean he was a successful of realt
or, so he probably bought itout right, which is very strange because
he was a sex offender. Right, I don't understand how he got his
license. There was a lot ofmissteps in this hole, I mean from
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the get go that I would say. But the last big thing in that
audio is near the end. Thereshe talks about Todd had having been a
paramilitary contractor a killer for the government, and if she showed promise or if
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she was a good girl, thathe would let her. He would take
her under under his wing, likeas a protege or a partner. But
she had to prove she was serious, right, that's what she says.
But Charlie had to go to proveI was serious. So if you're trying
trying to become a contract killer andyou have to prove you're serious, that
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would mean that you kill somebody.So that's the part that Brandy listened to
over and over, and she spoiledmy story by giving it away before the
end. But yes, she says, but he only wanted me, So
Charlie had to go to prove Iwas serious. So if Brandy and I
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are hanging out with Todd and Brandywants to become his protege and I have
to go to prove Brandy serious,that means Brandy has to kill me.
The only other way I can takethat is if he told her Charlie's got
to go lure him here, andI'm going to kill him like he like
either way she knew Charlie was goinglike, I feel like, I don't
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feel like it was that on topof the tongue slips of about the sexual
gratification, and she was loving timeor whatever he got her. He got
her past and pins and books andshit like she had flies up in that
ship like he was taking care ofher. Yeah, I mean she was
changed to a wall, but thereare we don't even know that she was.
We don't even know that she couldhave done that shit as soon as
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she heard them coming in, right, she could have. I mean,
hello, yeah, she was shroudingher prisoner. I mean, is she
changed or is she not changed?We don't know until we opened the contact.
I mean, you know, she'sgot the fucking sense, you know,
to not out herself well Okay,I wish say she ain't got the
fucking sense, but she didn't becauseshe messed up. But I mean,
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you know, she goes on tosue, this is part of me being
a cynical bastard and not believing anythingat face value and just watching for ulterior,
ulterior motives in everything that everyone does. Well, I mean, I
have to be honest with you.I'm getting there. No, I mean,
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I agree, I don't think thatshe was a victim that she played.
I don't. I do not,And I'm sorry, you know,
Okay, I'm not sorry, butand I mean it makes me sound like
and I'm not victim shaming, butany means because there are a real victims
again, So that that was partof the reason. That was the part
of the problem we had with recordingthis episode. Didn't feel right putting it
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out there having just really discovered that. And um so we've we've I've seen
all the court proceedings. They're actuallyavailable online. The one of the local
news stations there did a real greatjob covering this thing. I mean,
they had everything. But I didfile for Freedom of Information Act request both
with the Caroline I'm Beer over investigation. She was trying like a doll and
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the locals there, I don't Iwas going to wait and forego this episode.
But we don't know that they'll everanswer. I don't think that they
will. They may send you atake you right, or they'll send me
a bunch of pages with black lineson them, or or most likely I
would have to pay for the blacklivespeac in to me. But I mean,
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I just feel like they they knowshit and they have not on top
of Joey leaving the water bog andnot, nobody's wearing glove. I don't
know if we said this earlier,but nobody's wearing gloves in this ship,
like nobody is. Even if theydid go there expecting to find this bitch
dead, there was there was nolack of Yeah, I don't think there
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was lack of training. I justthink they didn't give a fuck. I
think that they thought, Okay,we're gonna go find her dead, but
they weren't thinking this through, likewe should, you know, be able
to look for fingerprints and shit likehello, right right, and they all
just walked right on up in there. There there's a cat in one scene.
I believe a fucking cat I missedthe cat. Holy fuck. I
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okay, look if this bitch hada cat in there, and we're gonna
pet But there was dog food inthere. There was a big bag of
dog food, I believe, rightinside the door. I'm gonna have to
go back. Guys, I'm gonnahave to give back. Can we realized
that. I'll post the both ofthese videos? Okay, So our question
in all of this was obviously,who was Todd. I mean, she's
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saying he's this like serial killer andcontract killer and whatever. Todd grew up
in a split home. His motherand father divorced when he was too Dad
moved out west. I want tosay, Arizona, Utah one of those
places, Okay, somewhere out westhe got he got sick of hanging with
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his mom and decided he wanted togo with his birth father. That's where.
And she said, but Todd,I just bought you all this new
furniture. So Todd took a hammerto the furniture. Yeah, Tod said,
I'll be going now listen right,Okay, But see, so before
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all actually all of that, hewas, Um, I can only imagine
he's, you know, be beinga preschool teacher all those years. I
can only imagine the reports that weregoing home to this mom because his psychological
report came back, you know,and said that in fucking nursery school he
was aggressive and destructive to other kidsproperty. So you're talking in preschool that's
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up to five years old. Howfucking destructive do you have to be and
aggressive to other kids for that tobe in your psychological work up as a
teenager when you get arrested later?Well, I mean, maybe she's just
I mean, who where did theyget that information? No that I'm not
sure they get it from the momwhen they said, well has he ever
hanging? No, I think theygot I think they got it from the
dad, I think. And that'sI think, guys, that's not a
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third hand information. Anyway. Well, they interviewed his dad in the in
the documentary that I was talking aboutearlier, and he tells them that he
was very destructive. So when hemoves out with his dad, he kind
of chills there. His dad saysthat he was there or had someone there
with him all the time. Obviouslyat some point he didn't And Todd,
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there's something hinky about this story aswell. To me, Supposedly, he
lures this girl out of her homeand says, this guy that she likes
is out there, and pulls agun owner and forces her to his house,
which apparently was only a couple ofdoors down or something. It was
within walking or another part of thestory. Another version of the story says
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that he got her to come tohis house, duct taped her, and
raped her, statually molested her insome sort and actually she made fun of
where he was putting in and toldhim he was so stupid he didn't know
what he was doing, which,okay, okay, can we just have
that means to me, I'm justgonna say, you're tied up and bound,
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that's you. That's you. You'reyou're the smart ass bench. He's
gonna be like, you're a Imean, okay, so she was a
kid, true, so maybe youknow I mean giving her, but you're
right, that'd be me. I'dbe like, motherfucker, are you dumb?
I mean, and then walks herhome and pulls a gun on and
says, hey, if you tellanybody, I'll come back and kill you
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or your family or everybody. Sothe guns has been brought out in like
and there's another version where he pullsit out at the house enforces her to
and so there's the guns. Thisis here's the problem. The gun in
the story. It's what makes itthe kidnap, you know, that's what
makes it the what that's what getshimTo fifteen years because he arm But I
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think that the gun also has todo with the fact that he says the
reason he was arrested is because hisdad was a gun seller and her family
was a member of the PTA orthe school board or something of that sort.
So of course there had to bea gun in the story for it
to trace back to the dad.You know, bad parenting to a bad
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child. So I'm not sure aboutthat story. But he did get fifteen
years for that, and he wasregistered, and he was supposed to register
as a sex offender, which leadsnot me, which would preclude you from
being able to sell real estate.I would think, yes, it does.
I mean, I'm not sure whyreally, but I mean, I
guess having access to all those propertiesor something, well, I mean I
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would think, if you, okay, this is just me personally, I
would think if you're a registered sexoffender, either that or you would be
limited on what you could sell,because what if you're selling a house to
these people and they have kids there, or what if you're selling a house
is right across the street from aschool. If you couldn't take that listing
and that would lose you money.I mean, I mean, yeah,
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guys. Can you hear our kidin quarantine playing Fortnite? Right? He's
playing Fortnite but whatever, he's gaminganyway. So he serves his fifteen years
and while he is in prison,Um, he you know, it is
talked about how he becomes a realestate He starts his journey towards he grows,
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so he kidnaps. He graduates whilehe's in prison, because he's you
know, king, he graduates highschool. Yeah right, Um, but
his his mom actually gave him theidea to become a real estate agent.
Hey, I know you rape andkidnap people, but be a real estate
agent where you can lure people toa house. It's like, hey,
Todd, you ever thought it?You know, you're really good at selling
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people stuff. Look you got thatgirl to come to the house. Um.
But apparently it comes out in histherapy that at age nine, he
had started going to counseling and Hewas described as being explosive and preoccupied with
sexual content. He also displayed crueltyto animals. He bleached to bleach.
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Clarks bleached a gold dish. Idon't even know what the fuck that means.
I don't know if he put thelike poured like a bowl of I
don't know. But he killed itwith bleach. So I'm because he didn't
want it anymore because he didn't remember. Yeah, yeah, so he clearly
had. He had some more.It was he had a lot of anger
(30:08):
issues and it and it didn't calmdown. I feel like it just didn't
calm down for him. Ever,the anger were we doing the Amal's unreviews?
Yeah, so a lot of these, uh should have been triggers to
something. I mean, they knowso much about me, they know what
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the hell I want to buy.They give me. As I was about
to ask, my social media islike, hey, we know you looked
at this two weeks ago. Forfive fucking seconds, they hear us talking
about it like me talked about herGlobal forge. No, that's how we
became a podcast. Remember it showedup in my Google feed and I was
(30:52):
like, I think the question ishe left these reviews, and he was
a real you like this. Iknow you've got the little short shovels like
boy scouts used and old army people. I guess I don't know a trenching
shovel. It's a trenching tool.It's a folding shovel. Here's his review,
five stars, keeping car for whenyou have to hide the body and
(31:17):
then and then it says keeping carfrom when you have to hide the bodies
and you left the full size shovelat home. Dot dot dot does not
come with a midget, which wouldhave been nice. Those things are ship
to use. Really, they're soup No trenching tools. Midgets are real
easy to use. They're like pocketsize. I'm joking, I'm joking.
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I was confused. Guy. Hehas a review for a fifty million volts
done gun. Yeah, it's usingcapacitors and whatnot. Seriously, trying to
find a reason to zapp one ofmy agents for being lazy. It's going
to be the new office motivational toolis the padlock works master lock hidden checkle
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padlock works great. Also, ifsomeone talks back, go old school on
them by putting this in a sockand beating them. They will not appreciate
the hardened steel like you will.Works great on shipping containers too. Master
Padlock five stars solid locks have fiveon a shipping container. Won't stop them,
(32:24):
but sure will slow them down untilthey're too old to care? Did
I see? What I would liketo know is if people because can't you
react to the blacker than my soul? Oh my god? What Huska Varna
four fifty five ranch or twenty ismy favorite? Two stroke gas powers chainsaw
(32:46):
works excellent. Getting the neighbor tostand still while you chase him with it
is hard enough without having to havingtoo easy to use, without having an
easy to use chainsaw. That wasnot so bad. That one's that one's
funny. That's almost a humorous saying. I actually pictured leather face. I
mean, like, yeah, right, a knife, you know, something
(33:07):
like I got to stab somebody else. When I do, it will be
with a quality tool like this one. My question is, is like this
people? But I think people thoughtit was being funny. I guess I
guess quit being funny in your reviews. People. I mean maybe they were
maybe they were flagged, but maybethey just I mean obviously they didn't take
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them to fuck down because they wereusing evidence. Well, they would have
been using evidence. There are abunch of Facebook posts to him when people
find out he's a say, Igoogled your name and it says you're a
sex offender. But why why didthey google him? Why were they looking
into the google everybody? Okay,you do sometimes you google yourself. I
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google myself when I'm here alone atnight. But okay, so he obviously
had some issues. Well okay,so some people said he was the best
darn real estate agent ever. Somesaid that he was like the best real
estate agent ever and he just Imean, couldn't fucking do nothing wrong,
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and he been over backwards and Imean would have gave him the shirt off
his back. And some people saidhe would get angry at the drop of
a hat and start talking about gunsthat he had and raping and killing and
killing things and people and how easyit is would be to do things like
that. And maybe that's how thatguy came to I mean, because I
think that the lady who talks abouthim doing that, I think she followed
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her a complaint and that's when shefound out he was a sexual sex offender.
I'm sorry, you're right, Shecaught him a sexual predator. That's
the way she said it. Andit irritated me and I didn't want her
to talk anymore, but she did. Okay. So at this point the
police obviously have arrested him for atminimum Kayla right, being shining like a
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dog, kidnapped whatever, um.And so at some point obviously you know,
she's already told him right, well, it got suspected murder of Charles,
right because at this point they're nowthey're looking forward. They find the
car that they drive their hid overto the side somewhere and they and it
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looked like yeah, and then likethere's like pines rows of you know,
averit. So if they're looking aerially. The police said that when they first
investigated the property, when they firsther cell phone there, they saw the
container and thought it was a growup They thought it was. And they
saw that little house, the littleum because it was all off the grid.
There was no power there, right, I think I think there were
(35:44):
solar panels where they're not solar panels, and they thought it was a grow
up. Um. But so atthis point he's in't you know, he's
been interviewed, and she's told themin the ambulance that he killed the superbike
people and to which was one ofthe largest right murdered in the in the
history of the of that area,right right, I understand the biggest unsolved
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case they had, I believe,right, And to boot on that one,
um and to boot on that caseall those years that it had been
unsolved. Todd was in the listof customers number one and had never been
investigated, which another failure by localpolice because here's the thing that's they'd even
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done a fucking background checked on him. They would have seen that he was
a registered sex offender and as weall know from law and order, that
immediately gets you fucking questioned, rightI guess, well, yeah, on
every law and order they're like Craiganalways comes in and goes check the area
for sex offenders to track them down. I mean, that's right. But
so he should have been questioned hewas a felon, right true, So
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first of all, even even ifbut secondly they mislabeled blood samples so that
they got all sidetracked because they thinkthat the wife of Scott Ponder, who
owned it, was having an affairwas one of the mechanics. So they're
all in her fucking cheerios, talkingabout we know why he was killed because
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you were having an affair with thisguy, because they did a blood several
test and her husbands and the mechanicswell apparently they were laying pretty close.
And then she was like, no, I want you to check it again
right now, we'll see. Whatthey did was they were fucking little sneaky
sneaks, and they waited. Theycalled her in, you know, to
talk to her about he gave hera drink. Yeah. No, Well,
they waited for her to have tochange the baby, and they took
(37:34):
the fucking baby's diaper and they testedthe diaper and they were like, oh,
no, this is it, y'all. Guys, come in, Come
in, guys, we've got this. She was cheating and tunnel vision.
Yeah, And so they bring herback in and they're like, well,
we know, we know you werehaving an affair with this other the mechanic
I believe his name was Scott Lucas, And they're like, we know you
were cheating on your husband and thebaby as this guy's over here, and
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she's like the fuck. I mean, she probably didn't say that, but
she probably thinking it, and She'slike no, and they were like yes,
and they were like here's this andshe goes, well, you take
another test right now, Well itcomes back of course they test her.
Yeah, well they tell they testthe baby. Yeah, they test the
baby. She was like, doit right in front, and it matches
what they have as being the mechanics. I purged in right, and it
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was confused. But my whole pointis is that they'd have done their fucking
job correctly and not mishandled shit.A lot of this could have not happened
well right, And I mean likethen see that and the next two bodies
that are found there. The Coxiswouldn't have been murdered because he would have
been in jail for the super Whitemurders if they had a questioned it,
because you know, his ass wouldhave folded. Hey were you in there?
Yeah, they made fund of meand I shot him all because he
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Oh, he was so proud ofthat. In the interview he said,
he tells them I cleared that Icleared that room in thirties. I don't
know, I cleared that room inthirty seconds. You would have been so
proud. So I think they werejust like okaying cricket, Like I think
if he'd have been questioned and inthat early little time period at the beginning
of a fucking course starteen years later, he's gonna be like, what's up?
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So um, he decides while he'sin jail, and this is again
in the documentary, he talks tothe lady that's interviewing him and he says,
you know, I'm telling you there'sway more than this, and right,
and this is this when they kickon the help, well, she
sets up. She wants to doa phone interview first, and then she
decides to get a meeting, andshe asked for permission. She emails them
(39:30):
and they're like, you can come, but you can't record. You can't.
Yeah, But what they don't knowis it's being recorded, like right,
all communications he's held in the phoneconversation. I'm going to plead guilty.
But he had not told his lawyer, he had not told the prosecutor,
he had not told the police.So when they get down there,
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I mean like almost immediately they're like, hey, they get down there and
they're like, it's somebody monitoring theconversation. I get the hell fuck they
did? The fuck? Yes,it was her and his former employee that
he has now asked to write hiswhat do you call an autobiography or whatever,
and somebody else, somebody else wasthere and now I can't remember it
(40:12):
was, but he's you know,she's talking to him, and the police,
the deputies come in and they're like, come here, and she's like,
she tells him, She's like,hold on, they're talking to us.
And she goes over there and theco worker is starts talking to him
and they tell her you have nobusiness to be in here, and she
was like, but I asked permissionto be here. And they're like,
you've got to You've got to go. You're here into false pretenses, and
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she flat out she shows the emails. She's like, I want to interview
Todd hole up. He's asked meto come up there. Blow. I
mean, she lays it out.And she also asked to interview the sheriff,
who later tells her she has anice dress. Right when she asked
him a question about the app.I think they were asked her because he
told her first he took the thunder. He was like, fuck this,
I'm not gonna let you put onthis fucking trial, you know, I'm
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gonna, I'm gonna plead guilty toit. He stole her thunders. He
played guilty and received seven life sentences. I think it was. Yeah,
he did for the for the murdersof You know, we've made a lot
of jokes, jokes and assumptions andpresumptions and right, and of course as
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usual, this is just us talking. Yeah, this is just us talking,
of course. Um. But inall seriousness, he was found guilty
of the murder of thirty year oldScott Ponder, thirty year old Brian Lucas,
twenty six year old Chris Sherbert,Um, fifty two year old Beverly
Guy, which was Scott Ponder's mom. That were those were the four super
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bike murders, right, and thenum Johnny Coxey who was twenty nine and
his wife Megan Coxey, who hadbeen hired by him to clean up brush
and property. And well, oneset of them was hired to clean up
brush and one set him was hiredto clean up house. I believe they
were the house people. I thinkso. And if I'm not mistaken,
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Guy, if you know about hesaid that they tried to rob him and
he killed them. There's not alot of evidence about that, other than
the guy was shot in the headround about December twenty fifth, right,
and I and I'm almost positive aswell that Megan had been arrested for something
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and she called her mom and beggedher to bond her out of jail because
she needed this job, because hepromised her if she did a good job
on this house, he would giveher all of heart, you know.
And when, of course the formerwhatever she had done, drug addict whatever,
came up missing, they just did. They just me. That's that's
a common police officer thing. Sothose are the those are the lesser of
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society that they don't care about.If I'm if I'm not mistaken, I
don't think that her family is.It's like when a prostitute goes missing.
I mean really yeah on su orwhatever. Great now, he did keep
her, he shot him, andhe did keep her for about a week
and then killed her probably on NewYear's give or take. Yeah. And
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then and then poor Charlie um whichactually he made he or she updates were
made to Charlie's Facebook after they hadbeen missing. We're happy we got married.
Fuck off pretty much, I think, I mean, and somebody's like
dude, where are you or something, and he's like, we're good.
I mean, these are not directquotes, guys, but like, um,
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and and if I'm also not mistaken, I think it was later that.
Yeah, that's part of the thingthat got him caught was the phone,
because because he said they left,they were here and they left before
lunch or right at lunch or something. Fucking be lying with phones now,
and I mean that was a twoyears ago thinking about now, that was
so there was four years ago.Yeah, I'm sorry, I mean I
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just I was. I was justwatching a case the other day where they
were able to prove because I didnot know that your phone, unless you
tell it otherwise, downloads every fuckingwhere you've been on Google. And I
can't remember the case it was.And so this guy was like, I
did not do this. I didnot do this. And at first he
tried to lie and say he wasdoing something else. It turns out he
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was like cheating on his wife orsomething. But he was like, I
swear to God, I did notkill so and checked in here. Yeah,
and he was like and then finallyhe was like, take my phone.
And I don't even remember now hefound it. I like I said,
I was half listening, but Ijust I didn't know that until the
other day. But yeah, that'sso, that's um. And then of
course Kayla who survived, who wenton to get and sue and get part
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of his estate. By the way, I wonder if the dog was involved.
I wonder know where the dog isor was. I don't know if
they'll send me that information. Butthe interview was his mom, Oh she
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is, she's y'all. She shouldbe a she should be having a Cleopatra
wig. She is in the denial. I mean, I know that everybody
loves their children and and everybody wantsto think that their children are good children.
But her, her poor interview,it almost made me cry. It
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was so I felt so sad forher. She was like, God would
never do that. He is nota serial killer, and she sounds I
mean technically, I don't guess heis. He's not. I mean,
she's right, he's not. Well, I mean the Cox he's in Charlie.
I mean, but I mean yeah, but I mean he shot him
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all. But that's too. Soin addition to the four council murderer from
the uh, the Chestney shootings,though the super Bright killings. Uh.
He was charged with account of acount of kidnapping and three council possession of
a weapon during the commission of aviolent crime, which is a shouldn't that
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get him also extra years because he'sa felon and he shouldn't have a good
But that's an add on. I'mjust saying, it's so dumb. That's
something that they were like, weprobably won't get this, so let's just
at it. And then they gotit into the of course, it's South
Carolina, so they probably didn't getit. I mean, they knew they
would get that. It's just likeI just think it was. I mean,
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I hope to say overkilled it.Like he's not going anywhere. So
yeah. On May twenty six,twenty seventeen, he played guilty to seven
council murder, two counts kidnapping,and one count of criminal sexual assault.
Got seven consecutive life sentences without thepossibility of parole, in a plea bargain
that spared him the death penalty.And I mean he even says, y'all
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in the interview, would I needto find the lady's name. I'll post
it because I feel back calling her, the lady m but he tells her,
he says, look. She sayssomething to the effect of, you
know, where are you trying toget out of this? And he goes,
look, nothing I do or sayingnow is going to make me look
good, he said, But they'reonly telling you, he says. His
lawyer said at the end of itthat there were no other bodies, but
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Todd later said that there were atleast two other bodies and that but they
say that, hey, he hasn'tgiven them information. He says, they
don't want the information. I don'tthink that they do want the information.
And if they might, may meanthey have to actually fucking work and somebody
would see them work. And oh, good god, Joey, dude,
leave your water bottle in the car. Guys, get some gloves, right,
(47:37):
I mean, of course there's ashortage sort of shortage of gloves,
right, right, I just Imean the whole shebain. I don't know.
I would love to know. Atsome point, I would hope he
does, you know, if ifhe really does have a higher body count,
I would hope that at some pointhe would for real go ahead and
(47:58):
say it. Not just I doubtit, but well, guys, Sorry,
we've droned on so long and druggedthis episode out, but we've missed
you, and I hope you've missedus. And I mean, this case
just begs you to drawn it outbecause you just there's still stuff to cover.
When if I ever get any informationfrom them, I'm sure stay tuned.
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From a primo from our friends atSooner State True Crime. Bye guys,
Bye hey that dead body show listeners. CC here the host of the
Sooner State True Crime podcast. Wefocus on cases based in my wonderful home
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state of Oklahoma, and since theterm sooner actually refers to the state's very
first true crime cheaters in the Landrun, Oklahoma is definitely a crime state.
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