Episode 5 - Alabama's Black Widow - Audrey Marie Hilley

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Episode Transcript

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On that Dead Bundy show, wetalk about death and murder, and at
times we may use explicit language.Hi, guys, so we're a little
late getting this out. I thinkwe're just gonna go ahead and change our
days from Thursday to Friday. Itseems to work out easier that way.
Yeah, Between a new middle schoolerand a football schedule that's hectic at least

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the first month, I think we'llbe better off putting the madd on Fridays.
Goth hippie is like you, okay, but how can that be in
one person? That's my question.I don't know who you are. It's
like being a little bit hippy anda little bit hood. I'm a little

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hippie hood you're It's happy, goodpathhippie is what you are. You're a
goth hippie. You're like, Ilove animals in nature, but fuck people
and let's talk about death. Sowhat you're telling me is is I'm Abbey
from You're a lot like Abbey fromhere in Alabama. She's from Alabama and

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she's good about that. Actually,if you go back when I was a
preschool teacher, they always called methe Abbey of teachers. So maybe I
really, you're a goth hippie.You really are goth hippie. Okay,
so that's not hippie and a copyright, so nobody played. Don't talk over

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me. I'm so sorry, justsaying while we're on the subjects and we're
not really on this subject we're not, but we're gonna be for like two
whole seconds. Um. When wetalk over each other, it's because we're
in teune and we're finishing each other'ssentences, because because we're whatever, it's

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like actually hobbie each other. That'sbecause it literally sounds like James Gordon right
now, and I can't undo this. Thanks, are we gonna do?
Yes? Sure what someone we're gonnasaying? You know which one? I
want to say? Well, seeingas how the case that we're covering today
is all about a lovely family,we should turn the Brady Lynch into this.

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Let's not do that. Here's astory. No, you're gonna you're
gonna get a copy, rich struckcopy. Shut the funk out, you're
gonna get us. Yes, Ijust called out a copyright and you're gonna
steal someone else's copyright. If Iread it like this, then I can
say I am just being professional.Wait, what going to hill? I

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know, but you know that's whereall my friends are gonna be today.
Guys, we're gonna bring you thestory of Audrey Murray hilly Um. She
was Alabama's a black widow. Blackwidows are venomous, but this big which
was poisonous. She left dead bodiesin her wake, Mini multiple more than

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one. That's not even the crazypart of the story. The crazy part
of the story actually happens after peoplefigure it out. So grab your popcorn
and meet us back here for thiscrazy, dumpster fire shit storm of a
story. Welcome to episode five.I'm so fucking going to stab you in

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your throat with this goddamn betan.Welcome to the same man. Now it's
pre meditated. You heard it,guys. I would never stab you in
the threat with my pen. Thisis my favorite episode number five. We
made it yay. Audrey Murrie wasborn in June of thirty three. She

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would go by Marie. I hatethe name. You know, that's Alia's
name because I named her Olia Mariaand he changes to Olia Murley Magree big
Osman's fan. Maybe no, hejust did it to piss me off.
Anyway, Marie was born to workingclass parents and they really spoiled her a

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lot. Her mom couldn't really affordto stay at home like most moms that
age, like in that age,could so they gave her stuff. She
was really really spoiled with stuff thatwould carry over into her marriage at the
age of seventeen to Frank, whowas went into the Navy. They actually

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got married while he was on leave. They had met when she was twelve
and he was sixteen, which onlyfour years difference. Come on, there's
more than that between you're forty andmy thirty seven. I've been thirty seven
for many, many million years.He's been together exactly, but I don't
know it made it. You're right, there's only four years difference. But

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for some reason, it sounds creepywhen you say she was twelve and he
was sixteen, Like right, butthey didn't start dating. No no,
no, no, no no,I'm just saying they, but they kept
going back to that point. Inseveral different articles I read, they pointed
out that he only sixteen. I'mjust saying at sixteen to know that the
twelve year old chick. But Ifeel like she probably grew up was way

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more mature than her twelve so heprobably felled she was older. I don't
know whatever, But they didn't marryuntil she was seventeen, like a month
before she turned eighteen. But theymet because her parents actually moved from Blue
Mountain, Alabama, six whole minutesaway to Anniston, Alabama. I mean,

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come on, it's like moving fromthe burbs, like like the edges
of the city into the city.Oh, I know, but it's just
it's crazy what six whole minutes,you know, like a six mile drive
can do. I guess. Buteverything I read said that there was such
a big difference when she had movedfrom Blue Mountain to Anniston that when she

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got there, you know, shesaw that these people didn't have to like
live paycheck to paycheck. She gotto see the rich families or the more
well to do families, right,Yeah, well, to her, I
mean, I'm sure it was reallyupper middle class. I'm sure. I
don't know that Blue Mountain would havebeen even middle class, probably upper lower

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or lower middle Maybe it just soundsAppalachian e type, I mean really,
actually that's how it was described ina couple of things already. Yeah,
I mean I heard vantages. Sothey get married in nineteen fifty one,
and about nine months later she popsout like give or take nineteen fifty two

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ish, and then eight years later, which I can only assume at that
point there's an eight year difference becauseeither what she's not digging this whole mom
thing, or he was still inthe navy, because it didn't really ever
say when he got out. Thatthat's a large spread. Yeah for well,

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yeah, even for somebody who's inthe middle of that time frame as
well, since that's pretty much whatwomen did at that time. Marie seemed
to really want money, not necessarilythe husband or the kids to go with
it. So while she worked andFrank worked, she spent more money than
they brought home combined, a lotmore. And I'm not not on incidentals

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or household items, just on slowingmoney. Yeah, blow blowing the hell
out of money. Looking back andreading all of the stuff, even in
the fifties, I don't think thatthere was quite bipolar or manic, but
I feel like Audrey probably was somethingalong those lines, because she just blew
money on, just like you said, stuff, She's foiled the kids with

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stuff like her parents did. Her, but mostly left the children to be
raised by Frank's mother. So well, up to about I mean they've been
married for several years now, twentytwenty five years. About seventy five seventy
four is when Frank starts getting sick. Seventy okay, and and he's sick.

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He's sick to a stoma acknowledgated,not vomiting a lot, but really
best them it cramps, and he'skind of getting to where he doesn't really
want to go to work, buthe knows he has to go to work
because he doesn't even realize at thispoint how much money she's spending, but
he knows he has to support hisfamily. Mike gets sick as well.

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It comes out with a little bitof a stomach flu I think they called
it. But miraculously it cleared upwhen he left for seminary school with very
no treatment, very little treatment.This kind of went away. Huh,
magically delicious. So they're having prettybad money problems and they're they're fighting,

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and he's still going to work.Well, one day his stomach gets so
bad he's like, Okay, no, I've got to go home. And
when he gets home, he figuresout exactly how she's been affording all her
little extra stuff. She's been hoeingherself pretty much to her bosses. She's
been having sex with them for moneybosses. And he doesn't even feel like

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he's got any room to say anythingbecause he's so sick, so he just
lets it slide, and he justkeeps getting sicker and sicker. But he
does, he does leave and goI believe to talk with Mike. I
know he went to Georgia to talkto a minister. I believe it may
have been his son mine. Yeah, but he doesn't tell anybody how sick

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he is. At least there's nothingI can see where he told his minister
or his son, even if itwas the same person, that he was
sick and how sick he was.You have to wonder if he had of
so after after all this being sick, though, they decide that he has

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which I guess I should look thatup. He has hepatitis and they said
in fact, everything everything said infectioushepatitis, which I'm guessing would be hepatitis
B or C. I'm actually notsure because the definitions have changed so much
over the past twenty five years.What they meant us hepatitis even then could

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be different. But in nineteen seventyfive, he helps his sister. I
don't think I'm gonna live. Ofcourse he's not, because that's why we're
here. He's admitted to the hospitalbecause his liver shutting down, which they've
again blamed allard hepatitis. Right,so you know, they think, okay,

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he has appetitus, he's not gonnamake it, and he dies on
May twenty fifth, nineteen seventy five. Then or back then, in nineteen
seventy five, she collects a thirtyone thousand dollars policy several or several I
think it was several policies. Butin today's money, in insurance, she
collects like thirty one thousand and likeone hundred some five dollars, right,

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But today, in today's money,it's around one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
right, right, It's not abstantialsum, but it's on an unsubstantial sum.
So Frank is dead and Marie's stillblowing money like she doesn't. They
have an autopsy performed, and she'sokay with that. She asked to perform

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an auto Yeah, she asked forit to be performed, and they say
it's hepatitis and an inflammation of severalorgans including his lungs, liver, kidneys.
I believe, yeah, yeah,um. And at this time,
Mike and his wife come to livewith Audrey or Marie excuse us, Marie

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and Carol, and Marie's ailing mother, Lucille. Her dads had already died
of cancer a few years earlier,so now Lucille, her mother's sick ailing.
At this point, this is wherethe dumpster fire starts for me.

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There are several little small fires atout, just enough to cause just enough
damage to get little settlements, right, A fire that started in a dryer,
Yeah, I mean, just tinylittle itsy bitsy things to there was
always insurance. Yeah, that's whatI'm saying. Like you can see that
she had just enough for thoughts toget the insurance on odd things that I

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guess back then people would notice.I guess now we notice because of true
crime stuff, But I guess backthen everybody just thought it was that crazy
lady, I need some fire insuranceon us sofa. Yeah. I mean
at one point she actually insures hermother in law's furniture, only just the
furniture, not the whole house thatwould have cost too much. I know,

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I'm just, but I mean,like whether or not red flags,
I don't anyway. So, whileMike and Terry live with them, Terry,
Mike's wife, starts getting sick withstomach crams and nausea so much so,
but aren't those the same symptoms thatFrank had? Why is no one

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putting this ship together? I haveto We'll see. That goes back to
him not telling anybody he was sick. So but I think Carol should have
known that that was the same thingthat was happening, even if Mike didn't
know. I think Carol should haveknown. Hey, that's just like my
dad. But then about nineteen seventyeight, Carol starts getting sick, right,

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Terry actually gets sick enough that shehas at least one miscarriage, but
all her symptoms go away when theymove away, which leads into get another
dumpster fire because when they finally getenough to move away from her, their
house is damaged in a fire justenough that they have to conveniently move in
with Mike and Terry, and thenvice versa. When Marie's house is fixed.

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Then a fire happened at Mike andTerry's for them to have to move
back in with her and Carol again, like, I don't understand why nobody
saw the sheer what the fuck ofthis woman? So we're in nineteen seventy
eight and Carol starts getting sick onProm Night, which I can only imagine
as she gets taken to the eron prim night that all the doctor's thought

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she had been on drugs or drinkingor something, since she was complaining of
nausea and vomiting. She would continueto get sicker over the next few months,
and the only time it would clearup would be briefly when she managed
to escape and move out on ourown, and then Marie figured out a
way to move in with her andshe got sick again. Yeah. At

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this point, Marie starts giving heractual injections, telling Cars she's given her
finnegrin and it's well not. Thedoctors can find no reason that she is
nauseated. They didn't do any testsfor you know, anything like heavy metals
or anything not at this point atthis point, but they think it's in

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her head. They think that thatCarol is it's a psychosomatic problem, which
I don't understand once she got tothe point where she was numb and she
couldn't walk anymore. It was theseventies. I mean, I guess,
So the doctor's at Regional Medical Center. I have decided it's all in her

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head and send her to Caraway.When she's at Caraway, which is the
big blue start, it's no longera hospital, it's an urban exploring area,
but it was the big blue starin Birmingham for a long time.
Even though she can no longer walk, they still think it's all in her
head until she tells her friend thather mom's been secretly given her shots that

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she's been sworn to secrecy about,and that friend tells a family member,
and that family member calls the doctor, and that doctor had recently either been
to a conference or seen something aboutheavy metal poisoning. Right, well,
he comes and he checks her out, and he sees the alder's knees,
lines on her nails and in pointI don't understand because he knows that Marie

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has been given her these injections.But they tell Marie they suspect heavy metal
poisoning. So Marie moves her immediatelyfrom Caraway to UAB Hospital I don't understand
why they told her, because ifsomebody says, hey, this lady's given
her kids shots and we think she'sbeing poisoned, of course it could have

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been water. Heavy metal poisoning inwater in the seventies wasn't that big of
a thing either. Well, andnot only that, I don't understand why
Carol herself didn't say, gee,Gali, this is how my dad died.
Jigali. Dad was sick, thendad died. I'm sick, oh,
I mean, I'm sick with thesame symptoms. While Terry lived with

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us, she was sick like this, Hello at uab. The doctor's test
her for heavy metal poisoning. Theytest her hair and out in the hallway,
Maurice's getting arrested for not poisoning herdaughter, but for bad checks.

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And the test, Yeah, thetests do come back on the hair and
there's at the root a hundred timesthe level that should be in the human
body, which is very minuscule partsper like million or whatever. But the
doctors don't tell the police that she'sbeen poisoned. They wait for even more

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testing. They literally arrested for thebad checks. And I would assume because
even back then you didn't want totalk bad about somebody. They wanted to
wait till they had all their testsback before they told the police. Hey,
so she was giving her these shotsand she's been poisoned for sure.
But the tests concluded at the tipof her hair, which would have been

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the oldest hair, there was zero. There was, like, you know,
minuscule, like normal amounts of arsenic, because there's normal amounts of arsenic
in your body, I would guess, right, yeah, there is no
from probably from the air we breathed, and the seventies in Birmingham where a

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hell of a time. The leadpaint you were eating. Yeah, we
were eating lead pain and look atit and breathing clean exhaust from these coal
furnaces around here. Well not anymore. But you know, while Marie sitting
in jail for her bad chick charges, they decide to exume Frank, Frank

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and Lucille and his mom, Carrie. Lucille was her mom, right,
Lucille was her mom and Carrie washis mom um. Frank was definitely murdered
with arsenic, like there was nodoubt, right, he had. He
had ten to one hundred times theamount of arsenic that he should have had.

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Now, Lucille and Carrie had tracesof arsenic, but not fatal amount.
So to me, what that saysis she was just keeping them sick,
you know, just giving them justenough to make them sick, to
make them probably not even notice whatthe hell she was doing. Right,
So they they they get these testsback and they're like, ah, this

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is kind of suspicious, and theycall Birmingham and put a hold on her.
She's there for bad checks, andthey put a hold on her.
On October ninth, they come andactually formally arrest her for attempted murder on
Carol and Frank's murder, and inin her belongings, I would guess at
the jail they find a vial withtraces of arsenic in her purse and her

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what that would Yeah, they wouldtake that from her the jail, I
would well, so she wouldn't havebeen able to get rid of it,
and they weren't. She was like, well, they're not even looking for
this, so she wouldn't have hidit right because she had no idea.
She thought she was just there forbad checks. So they find a viol
of arsenic in her purse or avial with traces of arsenic in her purse.
Oh November ninth, she somehow makesbond on the bad check charge and

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they don't see the hold. That'swhat they call when you're in jail and
another jail wants you. Afterwards,they put a hold on you. They
allegedly didn't see it and let hergo. But hey, she might have
been bugging somebody. She seemed toeverybody else in this story, you are
not even lying. I bet ifwe went in to the pole, if

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these people were still alive, theywould all just raise their hands. So
when she gets out of Birmingham jail, she goes in books a room at
a hotel, probably one of thelocal flop house motels. You really think
she would have let that happen,being as basy as she was. Do
you think she has no money?And the I mean the motels are I

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mean, once you get inside,I guess they're okay. Well it was
the seventies, is are what thisis like? Early eighty This is because
the ship show hadn't even started,even though it sounds like it has.
So November night, she's released checksinto a motel in Birmingham and then disappears

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and there's a note found that saysshe may or may not have been kidnaped,
kidnaps. Marie's gone and she maynot and she may have been kidnapped,
like who this ship? We maywant money for her? Maybe not?
Noh? November nineteenth and yeah,so she was gone, right,

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she was gone because she may havebeen kidnapped. It ten days later,
her aunt's house gets broken into andthe only thing taken is clothes, an
overnight case, and the car.A note was left. It said,
do not call police. We willburn you out if you do. We
found what we wanted. We willnot bother you again. I just don't

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even think I have words for that, because, first of all, if
i'm her family, which I thinkthe aunt helped her. But right,
but she couldn't have said that,right. But if you're anybody, if
you've been, you know, investigatingher at this point saying that you know
she's gonna they're gonna be burnt outif they they call the police or whatever

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like that, would just scream,where he hilly rate this ship? To
me? So she's she's gone gonefor months? Were you talking over me
again? I'm so sorry? OnJanuary eleventh, nineteen eighty. She is
formally charged with her husband's murder andis at and the attempted murder of her

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daughter Harold. She is added tothe FBI's Most Wanted list and is a
fugitive. And with any other story, this is where it would have ended.
But wait, there's more. Rememberhow I told you this was a
dumpster, a fire, train wreck. The car that she stole from her
aunts was located in Georgia. Butin the meantime, she has set up

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a new identity in Florida. She'snow living there as Robbie Hannon and meets
John Human Third. John Third soundsrich. I'm sure that's why she honed
in on him. They they date, get married. They date for like

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only a few months, but theydecide that they both just had so much
tragedy in their life they don't wantto wait to do anything and just boom
right. She explained that what herher family, her immediate her husband and
kids crash. She was so sad, and so they get married and moved
to New Hampshire. She said sheI think she said she wanted to live

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there. She wanted to snow right. I want to see snow is code
for get me the funk out ofhere. I've done something really wrong in
the south and now I need tosee snow to the north kiss very clearly
because loves to travel. Now,right now, let's get me at the
airport. I've already left you.They're up there. About a year in

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New Hampshire, she's working and herher paperwork finally comes back and her social
Security number doesn't match and it doesn'tcome back right right, So her her
job says, hey, we needyou to uh yeah, it was really
different back then. We didn't havethe Homeland security and media verification and write

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all of that. It was likethey would, you know, pretty much
wait until taxes and you know,hey, we don't have a whole security
number for this tax you've been paying. Need to verify. At this point,
she starts setting up her I guessexit stage left and tells John that

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she has some type of rare blooddisorder and that she's gonna have to go
to Texas, where the only treatmentcenters are, but it's okay because she
has a twin sister there that shecan stay with, right and he shouldn't
come because she can deal with thison her own. And he's already been
through so much. Just stay hereand keep the house okay for me.

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And so she goes to stay withher sister, Terry Martin in Texas,
her twin sister, Terry Martin inTexas, and he gets a call one
day from Terry Martin and says,Robbie's dead. Robbie died and we we
donated her body to science so theycan figure out the blood disorder. So

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there's nothing to ship back to you. So and don't come here. Don't
come here because I'm coming there becausethat's what Robbie wanted. So here's where
fire one starts. Y'all. Ifsomebody sat down to write this is a
movie, I just no one wouldbelieve it. No, I mean really,

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it's like truth is stranger than fictionbecause truth should fucking make sense,
and none of this whole entire storymakes any sense. So Terry shows up
to meet John right, and it'sactually Robbie. He's actually Marie right.
So Marie, posing as Robbie's who'sdied, is now posing as Terry,

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Robbie's twin sister, and she hasin the interim of the three months lost
fifty pounds, cut and bleached herhair blonde. Yes, So she shows
up to meet John and he's adumbass, and he falls for her and
they get married because that's what Robbiewanted. Now, you're a guy.

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But he may have fallen for it, but not everyone did. Well my
question, Okay, so that's whatI'm saying. You're a guy, you
know me, you know things aboutme, even everything down to that gained
three hundred pounds or lost one hundredsome odd pounds. Are you telling me

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you wouldn't know that was me?I wouldn't know that was you. I'm
just what I like. I you'relike, No, my sister wants to
stab you in your throat too,with this pen, with that pen,
right, not this pen, becausethis was my sister's. She changed small
things. But I just can't seehow he didn't know even as a young
girl. When I saw the movieversion of this, I think I even

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thought then in whatever mindset I had, he's dumb or he knew right right
there, there is that possibility.So he's just oblivious. He's oblivious,
I mean he or he was inon it. I mean, because there's
always that where he knew it wasRobbie, not Terry and said, you
know, okay, well you're runningfrom something clearly, right, but that's

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a little that's a little stretch,but burden me um. I just had
Oh God. So although he fellfor it, it's none of the people
that Robbie used to work with fellfor it. And there because they go
to her work and they were like, yeah, she wants to go there
and meet the people that her sisterheld her so much about. And they

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were like, no, no,Robbie, we know it's you. We
know you're faking your death for somereason or other. We don't know why
you're pulling this twin sister bullshit.Because here's Robbie who's lived most everywhere.
I guess I can't complain about youcopyright in the Brake Munch, which is

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really weird because Mike and Carol wereher kids. You know, I really
wasn't thinking about that when I wassaying that earlier. That's a little bit
creepy even for me. Picture picturea woman. You know, for two
seconds, I wasn't sure you weregoing to be Sophia with picture at Sicily
or rob Sarly nineteen I called itat the end, Yeah, because she

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does picture it. He says,picture a man. Oh my god,
if they had children, Picture aman Sicily nineteen forty five. I love
Sophia at any rate. This isthis is dumassaults for it. They don't
and different things said that the ladywho had actually taken this so security number

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and had confirted her about it notbeing correct is actually the one who called
the police and said, hey,so we don't know why. But the
police look at the at the obituaryfor Robbie and they're like, they can't
confirm that there's a death certificate oranything that she even existed. And it
turns out that the research place thatshe supposedly donated her body doesn't even exist.

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So and so she said, yougot me. I'm not Jerry,
and they're like, we know you'reRobbie and she's like, just kidding,
I'm not even Robbie. I'm AudreyMarie Hilly now at this and for murdering
Alabama, I don't know. Shejust said, I'm wanted an Alabama for

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bad chicks. But okay, solet's just think about this. She's in
New Hampshire where they say things likekhakis. Okay, maybe not because maybe
that's just Jersey. But she's fromAlabama, and you know, she's got
to be talking like this, andshe's like, you're right, I'm Audrey
Marie Hilly. And at this timeshe's won. She's on the f the

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FBI's most wanted. She doesn't knowthat, right, because she doesn't even
know. She was trying to go, oh, hey, where you've all
been looking for you? And theyextradited her back to Alabama for the murder
charge and the attempted murder charge,which this time they decide to get smart
and putting her on a three hundredand twenty thousand dollars bail, right ones
whatever, And she, of course, she goes to trial and is convicted,

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right. She gets life for Frankand twenty years for Carol, and
she goes to prison, and inany other story this would be the end.
But wait, she's in prison,and she's such a model prisoner.
And it's the eighties. So shebegins to get one day furloughs and she

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gets those and she's always back ontime, and she works herself up and
I guess she's such a model prisonerand she, you know, we keep
letting her out and she keeps comingback. They give her three day furlough
to meet John, who has movedto Alabama. He knows that she's not
Robbie or Terry. He knows thatshe's all dreamer, and he knows that

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she killed her husband, but hestill loves her, and he moves to
Alabama and she gets a three dayfurlough. She's gonna spend the weekend with
him at a hotel. Bless hisheart, he stood by her this whole
time, and I can only hopethat you would stand by me to this
extent. Well, I don't know, are you gonna screw me like she

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does him? So they're at thehotel and I think, like in the
movie you mentioned, she I thinkshe says, I'm hungry, But I
believe in like the other reports thatI've read and and some some other material,
that he went to get her smokesand went to the store to get
her a couple of things. Right, either way, she gets him out

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of the hotel room and he comesback and she's gone. Oh, but
there's a note. But there's anote that says, I'm not going back
to prison. I'm leaving with Walter. Whoever the fuck Walter is because we've
not heard of a Walter up tothis, and it's an apology note says
I'm sorry, I can't I can'tgo back to prison. I'm leaving with

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Walter or whatever. Now, forthose of you who are not from the
South or Alabama period and don't knowmuch about it, the summer is our
dry, droughty, no rain.But in the wintertime that's when everything is
wet. And so unless it's atornado, right, we get yeah,
well we get tornadoes a lot.Yo. Should all check out James span

(34:37):
Like, it's it's a pretty lateat night and uh, it's probably ninety
degrees outside. Humidity is probably inthe eighties, yay, and tomorrow it
could be sixty five seventy degrees inthe morning. Ya. Yeah, you
just you never know. But inthe winter, you know, it's usually
around January February, that's our wettimes of the year here. So it's

(34:59):
stayed worry and she's on the runand there is no Walter. She's she
leaves him in Watumpka and four dayslater, in thirty degrees something weather and
rain, she is actually found whena woman calls the police and says there's
a strange woman sprawled out on myback porch. And it turns out to

(35:22):
be her ninety five miles away.Right. They had they had actually gotten
other calls of a stranger wandering aroundin the rain, stumbling around aimlessly,
and they were like, you know, could you come this person may be
drunk or maybe you know, fuckso because somebody come check on him,
right, And they find her andshe says like, I'm Audrey Mury Hilly.

(35:45):
Well I don't know if she said, because they said she was delusional,
so I don't know if they lookedat her, and they were like,
hey, y'all, this is AudreyMurray Hilly right, right, She's
she's obviously suffering from exposure to theelements, right, but she's made it
back to Blue Mountains. She wentall the way home to Blue Mountain,
right right, trying to make itI believe, to her old home,

(36:06):
right, which right, which nolonger. You don't live there anymore,
baby, and haven't even they leftthere to go to Annis, And so
I mean, what was she tryingto do? I get back to her
roots. Literally. They carry herto a hospital where she is diagnosed with
acute hypothermia. I believe yeah,and as she's there in the hospital,

(36:27):
they try to get her warm.They're they're warming her up and doing all
the hypothermia. You know, youhave to warm them up. I believe
gradually they'll lose Phalange's smart person wordfor fingers. He also caused things at
a j and whatever. Okay,so what's the other one? The the
credenza? You and Virginia should hangout with her portico talk. So she's

(36:52):
there acute hypothermia, and another symptomof acute hypothermia is cardiac arrest. And
she dies there. She's actually pronouncedat five or six pm. Going back
and looking at everything, she mayhave been the poisoner of her mother and

(37:15):
mother in law, right, andit said that her dad actually died of
cancer. But in all of thestuff I was reading about this, arsenic
is actually I'm not gonna say thisright, cars Carcinogen said, did I
say it right? Which could haveled to them having cancer and being sick.

(37:36):
So that would be again, thisis allegedly her mom, her mother
in law, maybe her dad,but I mean maybe he really just did
have cancer. An eleven year oldfriend of Carol's died after having been there
at the house. Believe her namewas Sonja Sonya Marcel Gibson, Yes,
eleven years old, and she didn'thave high levels of arsenic But I mean,

(37:59):
come on, I know correlation isn'tcausation. But if this lady gives
us me killed a bunch of peopleand then all of a sudden this girl
had been at their house and dies, I think maybe guilty. One of
the other things that I read wasthat, and I didn't actually see this
till the very end of the research, was that she actually followed very closely

(38:21):
the Nanny Dolls case, which wasa female poisoner, the Giggling Grainy,
Right, so I'm thinking that's whereshe got her who was also from Alabama.
I'm pretty sure she was. Ibelieve the Giggling Grainny ins from Alabama.
We might we might do an AlabamaI have another Alabama killer that I
would like to do, but that'sa secret and I'm not letting it out

(38:43):
right now. It is a guy, a male. I know all kinds
of other I believe that some ofthe insurance agents who came to investigators and
the police investigators all experienced nausea orstuffing problems or you know, some intestinal
issues after having been there and hadcoffee or you know, pretty much anything

(39:06):
to drink. At one point whenshe is going through all these tiny little
fires, and she's called the policeseveral times and she's told them that she's
getting harassing phone calls. So theykind of come and set up a bug,
you know, like to trace thephone calls and not in there.
A phone call comes in, butthat's when she starts giving them the coffee,

(39:27):
like, you know, well,while you're here, just have some
coffee with me. Yeah, Andso all of these people who had been
there and been sick. Someone didreport it to the police, and they
came and investigated. They said,you know, I had coffee at her
house and I'm intensely ill now.And there's been a lot of reports of

(39:47):
other people. So they going,they investigate, and and nothing comes of
it. And it's it's really strange. I mean, if you would think
it's a small town, if there'san investment, if there's an investment,
I mean it's not. It's not. That's why I think there's a military
base there. But so if youcome and investigate, hey, this person
thinks they might have been poisoned.All these other people have been sick and

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then her husband dies of nauseata.Come on, it's not a huge fucking
leap to think, hey, maybewe should investigate this a little bit further.
I mean, I think Frank hadthe same goddamn symptoms. Come on,
Frank had the same symptoms, Mike'swife had the same symptoms. Carol

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would go on to have the samesymptoms. And at no point did anybody
put any of this together. Eithereverybody was oblivious and suddenly wasn't a gossipy
town, which you're not gonna tellme didn't happen. People were talking.
So I just do not understand hownobody called it on to this. Was
she just like that town's crazy person, do you know what I'm saying?

(40:53):
Though? I mean, like becauseyou know everybody has that town person,
They're like, you know, don'tgo over to Sympso's house because of whatever
reason? Was she that person?And like they just knew, like gonna
go over to Aunt Betty's house becausewhatever, you can't tell me, nobody
put this together or nobody talked abouther. With her cheating, hoeen shoplifting,

(41:19):
crazy ass stunts, she had tohave been the talk of the town
right. So there you have it, Alabama's Poisonous Black Widow, dumpster Fire,
Robbie Hannon, Terry Martin, Audrey, Marie Hilly. That's a bunch
of hyphens. That is that isThat was episode number five. Guys,

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