October 21, 2019 • 44 mins
We discuss the 2005 murder of David Castor, by his wife Stacey Castor, and the attempted murder of her daughter, Ashley Wallace.
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On that Dead Body show, wetalk about death and murder, and at
times we may use explicit language.Let me guess you've hit record again.
Well that's what we're supposed to do. Hey, guys, welcome to episode
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eight. So last week our episodewas a little sketchy. Yeah, sorry,
let's not forget that I just hadsurgery and was barely able to sit
up. But she's horizon. No, she's no longer horizontal. I would
like to be horizontal. I'm exhaustedas fuck in in mail carrier Land.
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It is now busy time between nowin the end of January, so most
likely every episode from now until then, I will probably sound like I'm dying
today and need to be on myown podcast. I picked this episode this
week because I just we were wewere brainstory and then I, like,
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out of the blue, I textedRakie like she wasn't even awake, but
I was awake, and I textedher like two or three in the morning.
I was like, I know theepisode, and then I just wrote
one word. Yes, So anybodywho has been into true crime for any
amount of time should know from thisword, like this phrase, what case
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this is? But the word didhe text in me was and too free,
and it's I think it's part ofa word. I think she stopped
herself. That bitch did what shewas saying. So this week's episode is
episode eight Stacey Castor, the antFree The Anti Free Murder comes too.
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So I don't feel we gave awaytoo much with our intro there. I
mean, you of course know thatit's about Stacey Castor, because we give
you her name in the title.The name of the episode is The Anti
Free Murderer. So I mean,I mean, what the hell else do
you think we're gonna talk about,not anti freese? Okay, So August
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two thousand and five, uh Anine one one call pictures picturate on a
Dagga County, New York. Augusttwentieth, say it again on Daga.
I'm guessing. I'm guessing. WhenI read it, I was like,
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Okay, sorry, go ahead.It's two thousand and five. I'm figuring
probably sometime mid morning, nine oneone call comes in. So Stacey Castor
calls the local sheriff and she's likedoing the typical fake worried twiney bitch routine.
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Wellness check my husband, he didn'tshow up for work. She shorts
in the same office. He ownsa heating and air conditioning HVAC company.
Yeah, and she was his officemanager and he didn't show up for work
that day, and she was concerned. She wanted the officers, she wanted
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them to do a wellness check.I mean, she wanted them to do
a wellness check. But it wasmore like she was setting up her story.
In my view, I feel likeshe laid out the groundwork for her
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law in this novel. One call, So let's let's let's play the nine
one one call for you play medication. That's going to help you. I
think you answer, I did showup to work this morning. I don't
know what's going on. I'm justgetting a little concerned because I haven't talked
to him since five o'clock in themorning on Sunday when he locked me out
of the bedroom. So she goeson in this call to say that he's
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not responding to messages that she's callinghim um and she she's afraid that he
might he might have done something tohimself. Yeah, she doesn't know what
what he would do, but thathe since he's not that she had tried
to gather up the kids and leavehim before and he said that if you
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do, you'll be sorry. Yes, I admit, what right? So
they send no an officer, whowho comes in? I'm guessing he'd bust
down the bedroom door. Well,I will say this, what's not clear
in anything that I've ever read orany documentary I've ever watched on this is
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where she's calling from. Like shemakes it sound like in the nivel one
call that she could possibly still beat work. But she's there when the
deputies respond, which doesn't really matterexcept for to me, if that was
you in there, you're not responding. Fuck y'all, I'm busting the door
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down. I don't understand why sheI'm okay, do you understand what I'm
saying? No, like that.If that's you in there and I'm scared
you've hurt yourself, I'm not justgonna call the police and have them come
bust the door down. I'm goingto do my damndest to get in there
to you. Right right, Sowhere like I said, it doesn't I
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can't figure out where she was out, but she is there when the police
get there, and she's outside.Yeah, she's outside. Why is she
not inside? That's my question.So, yeah, she's definitely trying to
distance herself from the body. Thealtar shows up, kicks it down,
kicks the kicks the bedroom door downbecause inside comes back out a short time
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later, and she asked, ishe okay, and the officer just responds,
no, he's not. The paramedicsarrive, they go inside and and
come right back out and they leaveum, which she screams, he's not
dead, He's not dead, buthe was. What they actually found inside
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the room was David Castor, facedown, naked, naked on a mat
on a bear mattress um that wascovered in brown vomit. It looks to
me like dry almost like a bloodyvomit to me, like a dried um.
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But he he's face down and hislegs are crossed at the ankle.
Under the bed is a container ofinter freeze, and on the nightstand is
a green liquid which which is inum. Now the glass, to me
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is what I think you call onwhat what did you say? It was
rocks glass? Yeah? Like short, like what I would say, like
if you were drinking like shots ofnot shots of whiskey, but you know,
like whiskey on the rocks whatever thereyou go. Anyway, So there's
one of those with a green liquidin it, and then there's another one
with cranberry juice that had the remnantsof cranberry and on the night scene also
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is the white cranberry juice container anda bottle of apricot brandy. Right,
oh, apricot brandy, So thatright there, to me would be here,
like there's the whole. First ofall, First of all, it
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also needs to be said that thisman had a shotgun under his bed,
right. She had told the policewhen when when the cop arrived, that
he had shotgun under his bed,and that's why she was worried. And
she's worried might have killed himself.And since there was no response, I
mean, you would have thought ifshe would have heard the shotgun, I
guess he did it as she wentto work. Yeah, so I'm so
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sorry. So they gather up allthese bottles and glasses and containers of anti
freeze and take them into you know, they're not sure what's going on at
this point. They're thinking it possiblyis a suicide, but they gather up
the evidence like good crime scene investigatorsdo, and also notice in the garbage
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in the kitchen is a turkey basterwith the remnants of a green liquid as
well, which they're assuming is theanti freeze. At this point, I'm
I'm sure, which I don't understandagain, because if you're killing yourself,
would you not be chugging it?Why would you be turkey based during yourself
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with it? Well, I havea theory about that, but we'll discuss
that later on. Um. Theyalso find a a broken towel bar in
the bathroom, according to one report, and a bottle of Ambien with the
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lid off I'm sorry, an emptybottle that once contained Ambien lying with the
lid off on the counter in thebathroom. Now, I don't know if
it's ever discussed autopsy wise if hehad aiming in his system. So I'm
wondering if that was just uh oh, well I took the last one,
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throw the thing on the counter becauseI'm a jackass, or I'm saving it
for beads because you know, oror a setup like to make them think.
You know, he's so depressed,he's been drinking, and he's drinking
in a freeze, and he tookall the ambient. So they found at
I believe they took the bottle ofAmby, and they took the turkey baser,
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they took the glasses, they tookthe Anna Frieze container, they took
the bottles of liquor, and thebottle of cranberry like cranberry juice. Right
for fingerprints and swabs. And sothey also have to get fingerprints from the
other people who live in the house, which is normal procedure, right,
I mean to include the rexclude Stacy, her two daughters, Ashley and Brie.
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And they got their fingerprints, andthey're also you know, they're interviewing
them. So while interviewing Stacy,she informs detectives that they argued over their
anniversary trip because he wanted to goalone, just them on, as she
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put it, a pretty extensive trip. But and they had always taken the
girl, the girls on their vacation, and he wanted to go on and
one of them had a job andcouldn't go anyway, and that was the
older one, the younger one.She didn't want to leave home alone for
two weeks. Right, Who thefuck goes on a two week anniversary trail?
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Who are these people? Right?Well, I mean he did on
his own company, right, Sothey go on this two week and they
notice that they're arguing about it,and she says he locks himself in the
bedroom because they're arguing. After ayeah, yeah, he comes out and
they have a discussion, a sevenhour argument in the garage. We've been
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together since two thousand and five,for a long time. We've been together
for two long so we've been togethera long time. And I don't think
that i've ever I don't know thatthere's anything I would argue for seven hours
over. I can't even think.I mean, and neither of them is
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the I don't want to talk aboutit. I mean, you know,
neither of them is the I don'twant to talk about it right now?
Leave me alone? Person? Whatthe fun? How could you keep an
argument going for seven hours? Andnot only for seven hours, but in
the goddamn garage? I mean,okay, because that's like so if we're
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fighting and I stop off to thebedroom and then I, you know,
maybe come back to the living room, like one more thing, Oh yeah
yeah, But like so you're tellingme for seven fucking hours, I'll just
stayed in the garage. What didyou say? Yeah, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. I just don't buythat, and I don't think that any
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any one of the investigating officers ofall, none of them that were married
for any extensive time, even ifthey weren't married, even if they were
just in a relationship, like Ijust said, I'm sorry. Yeah,
so I called total complete bullshit onthat. After this, he goes and
locks in tough in the bedroom again, and she doesn't see him right for
the weekend, she goes and stayswith a friend, so she hasn't stays
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with somebody. I don't remember ifit was a friend or a family,
But so she's trying to call himand he won't answer. And that's when,
you know, when he doesn't showup for work, that's when she's
like, Okay, he would nevermiss work, and that's that's her story,
and she's sticking to it. I'msorry, they're I'm going to come
up with a better fucking story thanwe argued for seven straight hours of the
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fucking garage. They do an autopsyon the body and it's discovered that he
did in jests alcohol and ethylene glycoland freeze. Yeah, and it's pretty
pretty gruesome way to die. Itcrystallizes in your organs and causes them to
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fail. It's extremely painful, yeahafter Yeah, and it's it's not it's
it's kind of prolonged. I mean, it's not like, oh and you're
dead. No, this is likethe course of hours blue symptoms and nauledga
and vomiting and intense stomach pain anddrunkenness acting Yeah, you're not really drunk.
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No, but you're right, youslur your war, I mean,
right, so it appears as thoughyou are drunk intoxicated in fact, and
there's been several cases of this poisoningthroughout the whole usually women killing men,
right, And it's a woman wayto kill, I mean, and it's
a female way to kill. PoisonLike, I'm a cold hearted motherfucker.
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Ain't poison anybody. This is thisis would be a horrible, horrible,
horrible way to kill someone. You. So, yes, so he has
ethylene like all day have deemed ita suicide, which and that was to
say that wasn't a big shock becausebecause he was there, and it looks
like he was locked in because poorhers she was home on the lawn waiting
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for the police. So what didcome as a shock though, And I'm
saying shock, but what the leaddetective had to say about it was her
fingerprints were found on the glasses,but his weren't. Right now, they
were found on the bottom. Butokay, if you were taking it out
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for you know, like but whatI don't understand, and she she said
she may. She fixed him adrink right in the middle of the seven
hour damn argument. Hold the fuck, maybe I need you to get me
some granberry jeans, which I'm gonnacall bullshit on again because when you and
I I ain't asking you and I'mjust they were glasses. This is not
like plastic cups or solo cubs.And I'm not asking for anything in a
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fucking glass. If we're arguing,I'm not asking you for anything. I'm
not getting asking. I'm not askingyou to go anywhere near the kitchen where
the sharp shit is while we're arguing. So she, in the middle of
this argument, fixed him a drinkof cranberry juice and Apricot Brady. That's
fucking nasty in itself. Okay,I drink Southern Comfort were used, but
whatever. The police don't buy thisship, even though the coroner says it's
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a suicide and lebels it as asuicide on the on the on the death
report, on the autopsy report.The police are not buying it, and
they continue to gather evidence. Theywait for DNA to come back. You
know, They've swabbed everything, fingerprintedeverything, They wire tap her house,
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and at this point, the leaddetective has found out that her first husband
is buried kind of to the lefther second husband. They have her second
husband and she share a tombstone likethe you know, the casters right and
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then like to the left over thereis her first husband right and her father
on the other side of that.That is fucking insane. It's like one
of the family members said, it'sher little death monument. I could see
that. I could see it.However, this is where the name of
our episode comes in, because theyquestioned her about how her fingerprints got on
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the glass and she says, free, I mean I mean the cranbery Yeah,
And she said, I mean thecranberry juice. Free, I mean
cranberry juice. And I'm sorry,what you can't you can say at free
in my house? And everybody knowswhat or eleven year old's this episode because
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she said it upsets him greatly,right, but everybody knows. Yeah,
everybody knows this case. So atthis point, um, the lead detective
has, as I previously said,noticed that her first husband. Like they're
like, you know, can wetalk to the first husband, Like has
anybody got a hold of this guy? And so somebody's like, dude,
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like he's dead too, He's liketo the left over there, like you
know, so, um, theywant to find out he died young at
thirty eight, thirty eight years oldof a heart attack, which is crazy
right now. Don't forget though,our friend Courtney had I'm just saying what
was wouldn't make her at twenty five, however, right and generally right anyway,
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So I mean, you know,I'm just saying, just being young,
he's not always right, but heI mean. And then he got
under similar circumstances. He was sick, right, vomiting projected a cross a
coffee table. Is how one ofthe one of the young the older girl,
right, the older girl. Theolder girl described it that he was
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just talking or no, he waslaying there, set up projective, vomited
and then laid back down like nothingdid happen. Yeah, he was probably
fucking to line. Um anyway,So they exhume him. At this point,
they're like, dude, so likehe died, and so they decide
to exhume him and they which istotally weird because they have to have the
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order. They did get a courtorder, and the toxicology actually said that
he had died from him. Butit's strange that they got the court order
because I'm almost positive that I Sorridsomewhere that their their their head, the
head of their department or whatever saidto look the corner already said it was
a suicide. Oh no, forthe first for the first husband said it
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was it was a suicide. Closethe case, right, the first husband,
Dame, I'm sorry, the firsthusband who died, I'm sorry.
First death that they know. Okay, I'm sorry, so that mister Castor,
David Castor, sorry, I'm sorry. It was a suicide. Closed
the case. And they're like,no, there's so much you can close
the case. Yeah, but there'sthere's mitigating evidence here that makes us believe
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that it's not a suicide, andthat can be changed at a later day.
I think, and I think thatthey were on that same page up
until she said when I forward toanti free right, even though she didn't
finish the She just said sheard theAnta free Okay, okay, anyway,
so they exhume first husband and hehis talxicology screening said the same Anna freeze.
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So now they're he had the crystalsin his body. So when he
had died in nineteen ninety nine,Um, he had been coughing, acting
unsteady and looked kind of swollen andit she was about to leave him,
she was about to get a divorcefrom him, and all you know,
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she was like, I don't wantto do it right there around Christmas.
You know the kids, you know, that'll just mess them up if we
divorced at Christmas. And guess whatSanta brought you? Timmy right, a
stepdad. So everybody in his familytold him to go to the doctor.
But he didn't make it. No, he didn't make it. Um.
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The oldest daughter, Ashley, waseleven, and she was along with him
when what what we now know,and she says this haunts her to this
day, was when he died.Um if when you were talking about when
he sat up and he threw upand everything, and she just thought he
was sick, you know, withwhatever he had been going on for a
month and got up to go getthe younger sister from school, and she
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actually, um, you know,blames herself because she didn't realize at eleven
years old what she was seeing,right, she was eleven, right,
forgive yourself, girl. I hopeshe has. I really hope she has
by now. But so they atthis point are like, okay, so
we need to arrest her, right, So they they go and um,
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they they try to interview her,and that's when she's like, this,
this interview is over. I don'tI don't want to talk about this anymore,
you know, I'm I'm leaving whatever. And that's when she looks and
she sees the picture like the leaddetective, yeah, the lead detectives kind
of gathering everything up, and shesees that and she goes, what is
that? And he goes, oh, don't worry about it. And she's
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like, no, what is that? And and but she's seen it and
she realizes she's fucked. I thinkshe realizes that. So she goes to
her daughter and says, you knowwhat, this has been just rough on
me. Let's get drunk, allright. So they get drunk and then
well that's because again, well butthe reason she says it's been a rough
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week is because Ashley has started college. The older stationed her and told her
that they exhumed her dad, herfather, the first husband. So she
called the mom and is like,why did they come to my school?
She is just like that motherfucker,She said, that's the son of a
bitch. That's because she need cameto your school, you know. And
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and actually she actually brings up agood point. She says, how did
they even know I was going tobe here? Well, they've been word
tapping her. Well, yeah,but nobody knows. But they don't know
that they're watching everybody right, right, but they don't but they don't know
that actually has no reason to knowthat because right, um, and I
think that's when Stacy realizes though,they've been watching closer than she thinks.
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And that's when she, you know, she's like this, let's let's drink
and they get drunk and it's it'sa little party. Yeah, So she
calls her again and says, hey, let's get drunk again. That's because
she actually woke up from the firstone. Right, you're still around,
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Let's drink again, right, Shesaid that the drink was nasty tasting.
So after the second drinking party benchyep right, um, seventeen hours later,
so the younger sister, Bree findsactually just fucking comatose, like out
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of it. And of course she'slike, mom, you know, actually
is like fucking not responding. I'msure she didn't say fucking, but Ashley's
not responding. And but you dosay fucking when you tell stories, so
it's cute. I say fucking,yeah, I do. So, So
while she while the mom, whileStacy's making her second novel, one call,
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you know in the house, youknow, my god, my daughter
is not responding Ashley actually yeah.Um, the sister Bree kind of like
you know, walks away. Idon't know where she goes, but she
comes back and then bam, magicallydelicious. There's a fucking suicide name beside
her sister. That wasn't there.She testifies to that that that note wasn't
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there originally, but then when shecomes back, the note's there, and
um, it's it's you know,she Stacy like Janks is the note from
her? Like, oh my god, what is this? And in the
note she's like, you know,I killed daddy, which would be the
first husband, and I killed Davidand I'm just so sorry. And in
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the note she actually supposedly put antofree, she typed out into free.
So maybe she didn't cut off theroad word when she was saying it.
Maybe she's just a hillbilly. II I right. She Well, she
says in that interview that the reasonshe said anto free and said of aunto
freeze is because she caught her,you know, like she stopped her.
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She didn't finish her word. Butin the type suicide letter it says anto
free like that wasn't me, andthat interview that was her, right,
right, I'm not the one whosaid I poured the anti free. She
said it whatever. And it's kindof funny that when you brought this case
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up to me, you did mention, um, the other case with the
fireman and the police officer, becauseshe says at some point that um,
her husband got the idea to killherself with inter freeze while they were watching
the news report about Lynn Turner,which is the girl you're that killed her
like a single handedly trying to getthe public service. Yeah, yeah,
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she was trying to kill she herself. If I'm not mistaken, lind Turner
was a dispatch, which so wasStacey cast A. Yeah, and again
a female way to kill people.I just cannot even anyway. So when
actually wakes up in the hospital,they're like, so let's talk, and
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she's like, what are you talkingabout? I didn't do this, Like
why why did you try to killyourself? And she's like I didn't.
And they were like, what's yournote and she was like, I didn't
fucking rite. I was drinking withmom. Yeah, She's like, you
know, she tells them, youknow, we drank the seventeen eighteen year
old kid, right, Your mom'slike, let's get drunk, and you're
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like, yeah, oh yeah,I mean no, no teenager is going
to be like dude, no right, maybe Naudia Naive wouldn't done it,
yeah right, not even be likeno, mom, that's illegal. I'm
gonna have to turn you in.Mom, right, I'm calling right now,
I'm checking my eye owl grades andI'm calling the police on your mom.
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That would have been Nautia um anyway. So the police are like,
you know, what do you meanyou didn't write this? And she's like,
I did not try to kill myself. I did not harm my dad.
I did not harm David. Idid not do this. I didn't
write that. So with this andall of the evidence they've been collecting since
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two thousand and five, you know, the past two years, they decide
to arrest her. They arrest StaceyCastor for the murder of David Castor,
second degree murder. And because itwasn't premeditated, it was just a it
happened whatever, and the attempted murderof her daughter, both of them were
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planned. Though you can't. Youdon't just give in the kitchen and decide
to put an you know what,fuck you, I'm gonna put Annivers in
a drink. This is spur ofthe moment, Like she kept Anna Freeze
in the cabinet, and the thatwas different one. What well, for
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some reason, she just fucking keptthat in the kitchen, like whoopsie.
Yeah. So while while they,um, I mean, there was just
so much evidence against right, theystarted the computer and they found several drafts
of the suicide. UM. Andthey found with the time stamps that actually
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was in school. So she didn'twrite these fucking multiple drafts nor the final
draft. UM. They the prosecutorssaid, you know, hey, this
this suicide of Tampa is is basit was a planned out murder. They
also had wire taps where they hadtapped the house where they can they can
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listen through a wire tap without thephone being off the bunk, and they
heard typing sounds when she was theonly one there. So that was pretty
damning. H Well, of course, you know you don't know somebody you
know type in your house. TheDNA did come back on the turkey baster
and it was her fingerprints on theturkey baster along with this, and here's
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my theory from earlier. I knowthis is I off air. I think
I think they mentioned that her fingerprintswere found on the turkey baster and David's
DNA was found on the tip,but they didn't say Salida. They said
they just said DNA, and thatpaired with the fact that he was faced
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down naked. I don't think thatthat was brown vomit. I'm I'm gonna
throw that out there, like,I mean, you got to stop and
think about what plain black all do. I think that she boofed him with
a turkey baster full of Bethelian blackHall like a anti free m Anti freenem
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ant. So sorry, but thatis my theory, and I'm gonna stick
with my theory until something well,I mean, with the brown vomit staying
and dude, somebody's trying to putsomething up my bomb, I'm crossing my
ship at the ankles and might wrapit around like them girls do. When
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the only other explanation that I canthink of, and I've obviously never been
poisoned with anti free, but haveyou ever had it? Don't as we're
good. We're good. Actually Idon't think I have good honest, don't
want one anyway. Um So theonly other thought process I have is having
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the stomach virus what seventeen times inone year. When I first started in
Primaries nine thousand years ago, Iremember being absolutely delisional, out of my
mind and just fallen into bed comingfrom the bathroom. So with the towel
bar being down, like did hejust stumble? Why was the bed unmade?
Though it bothers you so bad?Yes, it does, because yeah,
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yeah, she gets up to goto the bathroom sometimes two o'clock in
the morning and make me get upto fix the bed. The fitted cheeks
come off. That's because we alltossing her, like we talked but I
just, I mean, I justI can't figure out why the bed was
not made. If so, we'refighting for seven hours and then I'm gonna
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go in there and like all hostile, like unmake the bed only after you
make me a cranberry and a don'tit makes sense. I just I want
to know. I have questions andthis. I will never know why the
bed wasn't made, but it reallyfucking bothers me. I think she unmade
the bed because she knew what thefuck was fixing to happen in the man
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well, I mean there was probablyalready a mess in the brown vomit chains
were just the residual because there wasprobably a I mean, there's I'm I'm
done with that. That really gotto want somebody did to tick a turkey
baster in their ass? The dogthat, yeah, I mean Deckie Stars,
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what do you think he thinks?The tricky baster is a it's a
firm period. I mean I dotoo, But I'm just thinking to myself
self, do I want just that? I mean, that's that's hardcore right
there. You're that's some follow through. So during the trial, the main
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defense, Stacy's main defense her herlawyer, and she tried to blame the
oldest daughter, Ashley, for foreverything that she That's her story, She's
sticking to it. Ashley's through crazywhen she killed both my husbands. Yeah,
well, and she also tries tomake her look crazy and and depressed
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and suicidal, and um, thisdoesn't work right. The she's found found
guilty. The judge Brandy wants toplay the whole thing. I I do
because I think it's four minutes.Wants me, I think because I mean
(35:08):
you've already said you don't have yourfavorite pen with you. You guys throw
away, so it could happen.But I mean, like, I think
it's important because a lot of judgesdon't quite say what he said. And
I mean, like it's usually justa whole you know, hey, I
don't buy your ship. And here'sa sentence. I mean it's it's pretty
direct. He uh he, it'sabout three minutes long. You know,
(35:31):
in my thirty four years and thecriminal justice system as a lawyer and as
a judge, I've seen serial killers, I've seen contract killers, I've seen
murders of every variety and stripe.But I have to say, missus Castor,
you were in a class by yourself. What you did to David Castor
(35:51):
can only be described as premeditated torture, and while you're not being held accountable
for it here, I must saythat what you did to Michael Wallace was
also premeditated torture. The premeditation isnot something we often see in the criminal
courts, but it certainly is presentin both of these instances. Now,
as bad and as evil as thatis, what you tried to do to
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your daughter Ashley is simply something thatI find I almost can't comprehend. I've
seen a lot of defendants come throughthis court system, including some whose parents
tried to take the blame for whatthey did, but I've never seen one
who was prepared to sacrifice their childto shift the blame away from themselves.
(36:35):
You know, I listened carefully tothe testimony of both your daughters, and
I have daughters too. They're olderthan yours, but they have a similar
gap in their ages. And Ilistened not only to the wonderment of your
daughter Ashley as she tried to comprehendwhat you did to her. I also
listened to the horror your daughter Breeexperienced in finding her older sister almost dead.
(36:59):
You not only deprived those children oftheir father, but you were prepared
to deprive them of one another.And I'm certain that your daughter is like
my daughters. Like most children whohave siblings, expect and are comforted by
the knowledge that when their parents passon, they'll at least have each other
to grow old and share life with. You almost succeeded in murdering one child
(37:22):
and orphaning the other. The ranksthat ranks in my judgment is one of
the most reprehensible things I think I'veever seen in the criminal justice system.
I know that you maintain your innocence, but I'll tell you, in my
view, the evidence of your guiltis overwhelming. Unlike many defendants who passed
through my courtroom, You're not justa danger to the general public. You're
(37:45):
a danger to the people who loveyou and are closest to you. And
I believe that the sentence I'm aboutto impose will remove that danger once and
for all. Pine your conviction formurder in the second degree, the murder
of David Castor on account one ofthe indictment. It's the sentence and judgment
the court should be sentenced to aminimum twenty five years in a maximum of
life in the New York State CorrectionalSystem. Upon your conviction for attempted murder
(38:07):
in the second degree of your daughter, Ashley Wallace on account two of the
indictment, it is a sentence injudgment of the court that should be sentenced
to a determinate sentence of twenty fiveyears in the New York State Correctional System,
to be followed by a five yearperiod of post release supervision. I
directed that sentence run consecutive to thesentence I've just imposed on account one of
the indictment. Upon your conviction ofoffering a false instrument for filing in the
(38:29):
first degree on account three of theindictment, it's a sentence in judgment of
a court that should be sentenced toa minimum of one or thirty years in
a maximum of four years in theNew York State Correctional System. I direct
that sentence to run consecutively to thesentence I've imposed on Counts one and counts
two of the indictment. There's atwo hundred and seventy five dollars search charge
this caster. You have thirty dayswith which to appeal the sentence in judgment
(38:50):
of the court, we are resistive. So that was the sentencing. It
was a little bit long that Ifeel like hearing what he had to say
to her was important because she wasn'tnever tried for her first husband's death,
and he points out, he makessure that that's pointed out, and how
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shitty it was of you know whatshe did to Ashley and Debris too,
but like literally trying to kill Ashley. Under under New York sentencing guidelines,
she would have had to have servedfifty one years, like fifty one in
a third years before she was eveneligible for girl, putting her to be
(39:35):
in like eighty something wouldn't ever been. Yeah, she was, I mean,
but she now. But she didnot serve out her entire sentence.
She didn't even serve out hardly anyof it because in twenty sixteen, on
June eleventh, she was found deadin her cell at the age of forty
eight years old. It was laterdetermined to be a heart attack, which
(39:55):
is kind of fitting since that's whatthey said, because you know, the
first husband was rushed to the hospitaland they told her it was a heart
attack, blah blah blah. SoI think it was very fitting that home
girl died of a heart attack.Right. So that's the story of Stacey
Castor, the Anna free murderer.Right, while she was not um actually
(40:20):
labeled a serial killer. Most mostthings that I've read and seen said that
she probably would appealed again. Someof the family members believed that she may
have killed her father, who Imentioned was right there in her little death
murderer right, heart attack right,No, that said that he was like
(40:45):
in the hospital getting better and thenshe visited and he all of a sudden
took a turn for the worst.And she was the execut tricks executatory.
She she was in charge of hisbish. Yeah, so right, right,
So that's three people with a coolingoff period. But I would like,
(41:07):
right, I would like, oh, well, right, I mean,
if we're gonna go buy the book. But they didn't charge her.
She never was charged with her firsthusband's murder, and the family just believes
her own family believes that she killedthe patriarch of the family. If y'all
get a chance, look for thistwenty twenty episode on this this bitch is
(41:30):
stone cold, like she just sitsthere and is like, I mean,
Ashley was my best friend and It'sjust really disheartening to see a mother be
so emotionless about not only losing twohusbands, but describing how she pretty much
(41:53):
lays it all Ashley Like, evenup until I mean her death, she
still blended on Ashley. Guys,we are speaking of laying things. We're
about to lay this one to bed. Can we lay me a bed?
I'm fucking exhausted, dude, Iknow. Well, before we go to
(42:16):
bed, I do want to playthe promo for a couple of fellow Alabama
true crime podcasters. Uh, we'regonna play the We're gonna play their promo.
We we had the pleasure of meetingthem at a live podcast event up
on the bluff there, what wasit? Wild the Wild Roast Cafe?
(42:42):
UM at a live podcast event withthem and Mom's and Murder Right for Brandy's
birthday. Uh. I know goingto a live podcast doesn't seem like a
big birthday present, but I don'tleave the house a lot, so anytime
I go in public, it's gotto be something important. And Brandy's birthday
is important to me. So shewanted to go see these ladies she'd listened
(43:06):
to, and we went to theWild Rose cafe and saw them during My
best friend. Is it Corpus DelectiCorpus delecti, corpose Delecti. I don't
know. Um, I've heard itsaid both ways. Yes, so you
were talking over me, Sorr.I'm sorry, we're saying the same thing.
(43:29):
We're the fucking same person. You'regonna drop their promo in here and
we're gonna go to man. I'mwill play our our song after after their
promo. Bye guys, Bye guys. Hey y'all. Jenn and Lindsay here
from Corpus Delecti Podcast here to tellyou to check out our show. If
(43:50):
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On that Dead Body show, wetalk about death and murder, and at
times we may use explicit language.Let me guess you've hit record again.
Well that's what we're supposed to do. Hey, guys, welcome to episode
(00:21):
eight. So last week our episodewas a little sketchy. Yeah, sorry,
let's not forget that I just hadsurgery and was barely able to sit
up. But she's horizon. No, she's no longer horizontal. I would
like to be horizontal. I'm exhaustedas fuck in in mail carrier Land.
(00:48):
It is now busy time between nowin the end of January, so most
likely every episode from now until then, I will probably sound like I'm dying
today and need to be on myown podcast. I picked this episode this
week because I just we were wewere brainstory and then I, like,
(01:14):
out of the blue, I textedRakie like she wasn't even awake, but
I was awake, and I textedher like two or three in the morning.
I was like, I know theepisode, and then I just wrote
one word. Yes, So anybodywho has been into true crime for any
amount of time should know from thisword, like this phrase, what case
(01:40):
this is? But the word didhe text in me was and too free,
and it's I think it's part ofa word. I think she stopped
herself. That bitch did what shewas saying. So this week's episode is
episode eight Stacey Castor, the antFree The Anti Free Murder comes too.
(02:30):
So I don't feel we gave awaytoo much with our intro there. I
mean, you of course know thatit's about Stacey Castor, because we give
you her name in the title.The name of the episode is The Anti
Free Murderer. So I mean,I mean, what the hell else do
you think we're gonna talk about,not anti freese? Okay, So August
(02:58):
two thousand and five, uh Anine one one call pictures picturate on a
Dagga County, New York. Augusttwentieth, say it again on Daga.
I'm guessing. I'm guessing. WhenI read it, I was like,
(03:22):
Okay, sorry, go ahead.It's two thousand and five. I'm figuring
probably sometime mid morning, nine oneone call comes in. So Stacey Castor
calls the local sheriff and she's likedoing the typical fake worried twiney bitch routine.
(03:43):
Wellness check my husband, he didn'tshow up for work. She shorts
in the same office. He ownsa heating and air conditioning HVAC company.
Yeah, and she was his officemanager and he didn't show up for work
that day, and she was concerned. She wanted the officers, she wanted
(04:04):
them to do a wellness check.I mean, she wanted them to do
a wellness check. But it wasmore like she was setting up her story.
In my view, I feel likeshe laid out the groundwork for her
(04:28):
law in this novel. One call, So let's let's let's play the nine
one one call for you play medication. That's going to help you. I
think you answer, I did showup to work this morning. I don't
know what's going on. I'm justgetting a little concerned because I haven't talked
to him since five o'clock in themorning on Sunday when he locked me out
of the bedroom. So she goeson in this call to say that he's
(04:53):
not responding to messages that she's callinghim um and she she's afraid that he
might he might have done something tohimself. Yeah, she doesn't know what
what he would do, but thathe since he's not that she had tried
to gather up the kids and leavehim before and he said that if you
(05:14):
do, you'll be sorry. Yes, I admit, what right? So
they send no an officer, whowho comes in? I'm guessing he'd bust
down the bedroom door. Well,I will say this, what's not clear
in anything that I've ever read orany documentary I've ever watched on this is
(05:35):
where she's calling from. Like shemakes it sound like in the nivel one
call that she could possibly still beat work. But she's there when the
deputies respond, which doesn't really matterexcept for to me, if that was
you in there, you're not responding. Fuck y'all, I'm busting the door
(05:59):
down. I don't understand why sheI'm okay, do you understand what I'm
saying? No, like that.If that's you in there and I'm scared
you've hurt yourself, I'm not justgonna call the police and have them come
bust the door down. I'm goingto do my damndest to get in there
to you. Right right, Sowhere like I said, it doesn't I
(06:19):
can't figure out where she was out, but she is there when the police
get there, and she's outside.Yeah, she's outside. Why is she
not inside? That's my question.So, yeah, she's definitely trying to
distance herself from the body. Thealtar shows up, kicks it down,
kicks the kicks the bedroom door downbecause inside comes back out a short time
(06:45):
later, and she asked, ishe okay, and the officer just responds,
no, he's not. The paramedicsarrive, they go inside and and
come right back out and they leaveum, which she screams, he's not
dead, He's not dead, buthe was. What they actually found inside
(07:12):
the room was David Castor, facedown, naked, naked on a mat
on a bear mattress um that wascovered in brown vomit. It looks to
me like dry almost like a bloodyvomit to me, like a dried um.
(07:32):
But he he's face down and hislegs are crossed at the ankle.
Under the bed is a container ofinter freeze, and on the nightstand is
a green liquid which which is inum. Now the glass, to me
(07:56):
is what I think you call onwhat what did you say? It was
rocks glass? Yeah? Like short, like what I would say, like
if you were drinking like shots ofnot shots of whiskey, but you know,
like whiskey on the rocks whatever thereyou go. Anyway, So there's
one of those with a green liquidin it, and then there's another one
with cranberry juice that had the remnantsof cranberry and on the night scene also
(08:22):
is the white cranberry juice container anda bottle of apricot brandy. Right,
oh, apricot brandy, So thatright there, to me would be here,
like there's the whole. First ofall, First of all, it
(08:48):
also needs to be said that thisman had a shotgun under his bed,
right. She had told the policewhen when when the cop arrived, that
he had shotgun under his bed,and that's why she was worried. And
she's worried might have killed himself.And since there was no response, I
mean, you would have thought ifshe would have heard the shotgun, I
guess he did it as she wentto work. Yeah, so I'm so
(09:13):
sorry. So they gather up allthese bottles and glasses and containers of anti
freeze and take them into you know, they're not sure what's going on at
this point. They're thinking it possiblyis a suicide, but they gather up
the evidence like good crime scene investigatorsdo, and also notice in the garbage
(09:39):
in the kitchen is a turkey basterwith the remnants of a green liquid as
well, which they're assuming is theanti freeze. At this point, I'm
I'm sure, which I don't understandagain, because if you're killing yourself,
would you not be chugging it?Why would you be turkey based during yourself
(10:00):
with it? Well, I havea theory about that, but we'll discuss
that later on. Um. Theyalso find a a broken towel bar in
the bathroom, according to one report, and a bottle of Ambien with the
(10:20):
lid off I'm sorry, an emptybottle that once contained Ambien lying with the
lid off on the counter in thebathroom. Now, I don't know if
it's ever discussed autopsy wise if hehad aiming in his system. So I'm
wondering if that was just uh oh, well I took the last one,
(10:41):
throw the thing on the counter becauseI'm a jackass, or I'm saving it
for beads because you know, oror a setup like to make them think.
You know, he's so depressed,he's been drinking, and he's drinking
in a freeze, and he tookall the ambient. So they found at
I believe they took the bottle ofAmby, and they took the turkey baser,
(11:03):
they took the glasses, they tookthe Anna Frieze container, they took
the bottles of liquor, and thebottle of cranberry like cranberry juice. Right
for fingerprints and swabs. And sothey also have to get fingerprints from the
other people who live in the house, which is normal procedure, right,
I mean to include the rexclude Stacy, her two daughters, Ashley and Brie.
(11:26):
And they got their fingerprints, andthey're also you know, they're interviewing
them. So while interviewing Stacy,she informs detectives that they argued over their
anniversary trip because he wanted to goalone, just them on, as she
(11:54):
put it, a pretty extensive trip. But and they had always taken the
girl, the girls on their vacation, and he wanted to go on and
one of them had a job andcouldn't go anyway, and that was the
older one, the younger one.She didn't want to leave home alone for
two weeks. Right, Who thefuck goes on a two week anniversary trail?
(12:15):
Who are these people? Right?Well, I mean he did on
his own company, right, Sothey go on this two week and they
notice that they're arguing about it,and she says he locks himself in the
bedroom because they're arguing. After ayeah, yeah, he comes out and
they have a discussion, a sevenhour argument in the garage. We've been
(12:39):
together since two thousand and five,for a long time. We've been together
for two long so we've been togethera long time. And I don't think
that i've ever I don't know thatthere's anything I would argue for seven hours
over. I can't even think.I mean, and neither of them is
(13:01):
the I don't want to talk aboutit. I mean, you know,
neither of them is the I don'twant to talk about it right now?
Leave me alone? Person? Whatthe fun? How could you keep an
argument going for seven hours? Andnot only for seven hours, but in
the goddamn garage? I mean,okay, because that's like so if we're
(13:22):
fighting and I stop off to thebedroom and then I, you know,
maybe come back to the living room, like one more thing, Oh yeah
yeah, But like so you're tellingme for seven fucking hours, I'll just
stayed in the garage. What didyou say? Yeah, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry. I just don't buythat, and I don't think that any
(13:43):
any one of the investigating officers ofall, none of them that were married
for any extensive time, even ifthey weren't married, even if they were
just in a relationship, like Ijust said, I'm sorry. Yeah,
so I called total complete bullshit onthat. After this, he goes and
locks in tough in the bedroom again, and she doesn't see him right for
the weekend, she goes and stayswith a friend, so she hasn't stays
(14:05):
with somebody. I don't remember ifit was a friend or a family,
But so she's trying to call himand he won't answer. And that's when,
you know, when he doesn't showup for work, that's when she's
like, Okay, he would nevermiss work, and that's that's her story,
and she's sticking to it. I'msorry, they're I'm going to come
up with a better fucking story thanwe argued for seven straight hours of the
(14:26):
fucking garage. They do an autopsyon the body and it's discovered that he
did in jests alcohol and ethylene glycoland freeze. Yeah, and it's pretty
pretty gruesome way to die. Itcrystallizes in your organs and causes them to
(14:48):
fail. It's extremely painful, yeahafter Yeah, and it's it's not it's
it's kind of prolonged. I mean, it's not like, oh and you're
dead. No, this is likethe course of hours blue symptoms and nauledga
and vomiting and intense stomach pain anddrunkenness acting Yeah, you're not really drunk.
(15:11):
No, but you're right, youslur your war, I mean,
right, so it appears as thoughyou are drunk intoxicated in fact, and
there's been several cases of this poisoningthroughout the whole usually women killing men,
right, And it's a woman wayto kill, I mean, and it's
a female way to kill. PoisonLike, I'm a cold hearted motherfucker.
(15:31):
Ain't poison anybody. This is thisis would be a horrible, horrible,
horrible way to kill someone. You. So, yes, so he has
ethylene like all day have deemed ita suicide, which and that was to
say that wasn't a big shock becausebecause he was there, and it looks
like he was locked in because poorhers she was home on the lawn waiting
(15:54):
for the police. So what didcome as a shock though, And I'm
saying shock, but what the leaddetective had to say about it was her
fingerprints were found on the glasses,but his weren't. Right now, they
were found on the bottom. Butokay, if you were taking it out
(16:18):
for you know, like but whatI don't understand, and she she said
she may. She fixed him adrink right in the middle of the seven
hour damn argument. Hold the fuck, maybe I need you to get me
some granberry jeans, which I'm gonnacall bullshit on again because when you and
I I ain't asking you and I'mjust they were glasses. This is not
like plastic cups or solo cubs.And I'm not asking for anything in a
(16:41):
fucking glass. If we're arguing,I'm not asking you for anything. I'm
not getting asking. I'm not askingyou to go anywhere near the kitchen where
the sharp shit is while we're arguing. So she, in the middle of
this argument, fixed him a drinkof cranberry juice and Apricot Brady. That's
fucking nasty in itself. Okay,I drink Southern Comfort were used, but
whatever. The police don't buy thisship, even though the coroner says it's
(17:07):
a suicide and lebels it as asuicide on the on the on the death
report, on the autopsy report.The police are not buying it, and
they continue to gather evidence. Theywait for DNA to come back. You
know, They've swabbed everything, fingerprintedeverything, They wire tap her house,
(17:27):
and at this point, the leaddetective has found out that her first husband
is buried kind of to the lefther second husband. They have her second
husband and she share a tombstone likethe you know, the casters right and
(17:48):
then like to the left over thereis her first husband right and her father
on the other side of that.That is fucking insane. It's like one
of the family members said, it'sher little death monument. I could see
that. I could see it.However, this is where the name of
our episode comes in, because theyquestioned her about how her fingerprints got on
(18:11):
the glass and she says, free, I mean I mean the cranbery Yeah,
And she said, I mean thecranberry juice. Free, I mean
cranberry juice. And I'm sorry,what you can't you can say at free
in my house? And everybody knowswhat or eleven year old's this episode because
(18:36):
she said it upsets him greatly,right, but everybody knows. Yeah,
everybody knows this case. So atthis point, um, the lead detective
has, as I previously said,noticed that her first husband. Like they're
like, you know, can wetalk to the first husband, Like has
anybody got a hold of this guy? And so somebody's like, dude,
(19:00):
like he's dead too, He's liketo the left over there, like you
know, so, um, theywant to find out he died young at
thirty eight, thirty eight years oldof a heart attack, which is crazy
right now. Don't forget though,our friend Courtney had I'm just saying what
was wouldn't make her at twenty five, however, right and generally right anyway,
(19:22):
So I mean, you know,I'm just saying, just being young,
he's not always right, but heI mean. And then he got
under similar circumstances. He was sick, right, vomiting projected a cross a
coffee table. Is how one ofthe one of the young the older girl,
right, the older girl. Theolder girl described it that he was
(19:44):
just talking or no, he waslaying there, set up projective, vomited
and then laid back down like nothingdid happen. Yeah, he was probably
fucking to line. Um anyway,So they exhume him. At this point,
they're like, dude, so likehe died, and so they decide
to exhume him and they which istotally weird because they have to have the
(20:07):
order. They did get a courtorder, and the toxicology actually said that
he had died from him. Butit's strange that they got the court order
because I'm almost positive that I Sorridsomewhere that their their their head, the
head of their department or whatever saidto look the corner already said it was
a suicide. Oh no, forthe first for the first husband said it
(20:30):
was it was a suicide. Closethe case, right, the first husband,
Dame, I'm sorry, the firsthusband who died, I'm sorry.
First death that they know. Okay, I'm sorry, so that mister Castor,
David Castor, sorry, I'm sorry. It was a suicide. Closed
the case. And they're like,no, there's so much you can close
the case. Yeah, but there'sthere's mitigating evidence here that makes us believe
(20:55):
that it's not a suicide, andthat can be changed at a later day.
I think, and I think thatthey were on that same page up
until she said when I forward toanti free right, even though she didn't
finish the She just said sheard theAnta free Okay, okay, anyway,
so they exhume first husband and hehis talxicology screening said the same Anna freeze.
(21:18):
So now they're he had the crystalsin his body. So when he
had died in nineteen ninety nine,Um, he had been coughing, acting
unsteady and looked kind of swollen andit she was about to leave him,
she was about to get a divorcefrom him, and all you know,
(21:38):
she was like, I don't wantto do it right there around Christmas.
You know the kids, you know, that'll just mess them up if we
divorced at Christmas. And guess whatSanta brought you? Timmy right, a
stepdad. So everybody in his familytold him to go to the doctor.
But he didn't make it. No, he didn't make it. Um.
(22:03):
The oldest daughter, Ashley, waseleven, and she was along with him
when what what we now know,and she says this haunts her to this
day, was when he died.Um if when you were talking about when
he sat up and he threw upand everything, and she just thought he
was sick, you know, withwhatever he had been going on for a
month and got up to go getthe younger sister from school, and she
(22:26):
actually, um, you know,blames herself because she didn't realize at eleven
years old what she was seeing,right, she was eleven, right,
forgive yourself, girl. I hopeshe has. I really hope she has
by now. But so they atthis point are like, okay, so
we need to arrest her, right, So they they go and um,
(22:52):
they they try to interview her,and that's when she's like, this,
this interview is over. I don'tI don't want to talk about this anymore,
you know, I'm I'm leaving whatever. And that's when she looks and
she sees the picture like the leaddetective, yeah, the lead detectives kind
of gathering everything up, and shesees that and she goes, what is
that? And he goes, oh, don't worry about it. And she's
(23:12):
like, no, what is that? And and but she's seen it and
she realizes she's fucked. I thinkshe realizes that. So she goes to
her daughter and says, you knowwhat, this has been just rough on
me. Let's get drunk, allright. So they get drunk and then
well that's because again, well butthe reason she says it's been a rough
(23:33):
week is because Ashley has started college. The older stationed her and told her
that they exhumed her dad, herfather, the first husband. So she
called the mom and is like,why did they come to my school?
She is just like that motherfucker,She said, that's the son of a
bitch. That's because she need cameto your school, you know. And
(23:59):
and actually she actually brings up agood point. She says, how did
they even know I was going tobe here? Well, they've been word
tapping her. Well, yeah,but nobody knows. But they don't know
that they're watching everybody right, right, but they don't but they don't know
that actually has no reason to knowthat because right, um, and I
think that's when Stacy realizes though,they've been watching closer than she thinks.
(24:21):
And that's when she, you know, she's like this, let's let's drink
and they get drunk and it's it'sa little party. Yeah, So she
calls her again and says, hey, let's get drunk again. That's because
she actually woke up from the firstone. Right, you're still around,
(24:42):
Let's drink again, right, Shesaid that the drink was nasty tasting.
So after the second drinking party benchyep right, um, seventeen hours later,
so the younger sister, Bree findsactually just fucking comatose, like out
(25:04):
of it. And of course she'slike, mom, you know, actually
is like fucking not responding. I'msure she didn't say fucking, but Ashley's
not responding. And but you dosay fucking when you tell stories, so
it's cute. I say fucking,yeah, I do. So, So
while she while the mom, whileStacy's making her second novel, one call,
(25:27):
you know in the house, youknow, my god, my daughter
is not responding Ashley actually yeah.Um, the sister Bree kind of like
you know, walks away. Idon't know where she goes, but she
comes back and then bam, magicallydelicious. There's a fucking suicide name beside
her sister. That wasn't there.She testifies to that that that note wasn't
(25:49):
there originally, but then when shecomes back, the note's there, and
um, it's it's you know,she Stacy like Janks is the note from
her? Like, oh my god, what is this? And in the
note she's like, you know,I killed daddy, which would be the
first husband, and I killed Davidand I'm just so sorry. And in
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the note she actually supposedly put antofree, she typed out into free.
So maybe she didn't cut off theroad word when she was saying it.
Maybe she's just a hillbilly. II I right. She Well, she
says in that interview that the reasonshe said anto free and said of aunto
freeze is because she caught her,you know, like she stopped her.
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She didn't finish her word. Butin the type suicide letter it says anto
free like that wasn't me, andthat interview that was her, right,
right, I'm not the one whosaid I poured the anti free. She
said it whatever. And it's kindof funny that when you brought this case
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up to me, you did mention, um, the other case with the
fireman and the police officer, becauseshe says at some point that um,
her husband got the idea to killherself with inter freeze while they were watching
the news report about Lynn Turner,which is the girl you're that killed her
like a single handedly trying to getthe public service. Yeah, yeah,
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she was trying to kill she herself. If I'm not mistaken, lind Turner
was a dispatch, which so wasStacey cast A. Yeah, and again
a female way to kill people.I just cannot even anyway. So when
actually wakes up in the hospital,they're like, so let's talk, and
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she's like, what are you talkingabout? I didn't do this, Like
why why did you try to killyourself? And she's like I didn't.
And they were like, what's yournote and she was like, I didn't
fucking rite. I was drinking withmom. Yeah, She's like, you
know, she tells them, youknow, we drank the seventeen eighteen year
old kid, right, Your mom'slike, let's get drunk, and you're
(28:07):
like, yeah, oh yeah,I mean no, no teenager is going
to be like dude, no right, maybe Naudia Naive wouldn't done it,
yeah right, not even be likeno, mom, that's illegal. I'm
gonna have to turn you in.Mom, right, I'm calling right now,
I'm checking my eye owl grades andI'm calling the police on your mom.
(28:30):
That would have been Nautia um anyway. So the police are like,
you know, what do you meanyou didn't write this? And she's like,
I did not try to kill myself. I did not harm my dad.
I did not harm David. Idid not do this. I didn't
write that. So with this andall of the evidence they've been collecting since
(28:52):
two thousand and five, you know, the past two years, they decide
to arrest her. They arrest StaceyCastor for the murder of David Castor,
second degree murder. And because itwasn't premeditated, it was just a it
happened whatever, and the attempted murderof her daughter, both of them were
(29:19):
planned. Though you can't. Youdon't just give in the kitchen and decide
to put an you know what,fuck you, I'm gonna put Annivers in
a drink. This is spur ofthe moment, Like she kept Anna Freeze
in the cabinet, and the thatwas different one. What well, for
(29:41):
some reason, she just fucking keptthat in the kitchen, like whoopsie.
Yeah. So while while they,um, I mean, there was just
so much evidence against right, theystarted the computer and they found several drafts
of the suicide. UM. Andthey found with the time stamps that actually
(30:04):
was in school. So she didn'twrite these fucking multiple drafts nor the final
draft. UM. They the prosecutorssaid, you know, hey, this
this suicide of Tampa is is basit was a planned out murder. They
also had wire taps where they hadtapped the house where they can they can
(30:29):
listen through a wire tap without thephone being off the bunk, and they
heard typing sounds when she was theonly one there. So that was pretty
damning. H Well, of course, you know you don't know somebody you
know type in your house. TheDNA did come back on the turkey baster
and it was her fingerprints on theturkey baster along with this, and here's
(30:53):
my theory from earlier. I knowthis is I off air. I think
I think they mentioned that her fingerprintswere found on the turkey baster and David's
DNA was found on the tip,but they didn't say Salida. They said
they just said DNA, and thatpaired with the fact that he was faced
(31:18):
down naked. I don't think thatthat was brown vomit. I'm I'm gonna
throw that out there, like,I mean, you got to stop and
think about what plain black all do. I think that she boofed him with
a turkey baster full of Bethelian blackHall like a anti free m Anti freenem
(31:45):
ant. So sorry, but thatis my theory, and I'm gonna stick
with my theory until something well,I mean, with the brown vomit staying
and dude, somebody's trying to putsomething up my bomb, I'm crossing my
ship at the ankles and might wrapit around like them girls do. When
(32:07):
the only other explanation that I canthink of, and I've obviously never been
poisoned with anti free, but haveyou ever had it? Don't as we're
good. We're good. Actually Idon't think I have good honest, don't
want one anyway. Um So theonly other thought process I have is having
(32:30):
the stomach virus what seventeen times inone year. When I first started in
Primaries nine thousand years ago, Iremember being absolutely delisional, out of my
mind and just fallen into bed comingfrom the bathroom. So with the towel
bar being down, like did hejust stumble? Why was the bed unmade?
Though it bothers you so bad?Yes, it does, because yeah,
(32:54):
yeah, she gets up to goto the bathroom sometimes two o'clock in
the morning and make me get upto fix the bed. The fitted cheeks
come off. That's because we alltossing her, like we talked but I
just, I mean, I justI can't figure out why the bed was
not made. If so, we'refighting for seven hours and then I'm gonna
(33:15):
go in there and like all hostile, like unmake the bed only after you
make me a cranberry and a don'tit makes sense. I just I want
to know. I have questions andthis. I will never know why the
bed wasn't made, but it reallyfucking bothers me. I think she unmade
the bed because she knew what thefuck was fixing to happen in the man
(33:35):
well, I mean there was probablyalready a mess in the brown vomit chains
were just the residual because there wasprobably a I mean, there's I'm I'm
done with that. That really gotto want somebody did to tick a turkey
baster in their ass? The dogthat, yeah, I mean Deckie Stars,
(34:02):
what do you think he thinks?The tricky baster is a it's a
firm period. I mean I dotoo, But I'm just thinking to myself
self, do I want just that? I mean, that's that's hardcore right
there. You're that's some follow through. So during the trial, the main
(34:25):
defense, Stacy's main defense her herlawyer, and she tried to blame the
oldest daughter, Ashley, for foreverything that she That's her story, She's
sticking to it. Ashley's through crazywhen she killed both my husbands. Yeah,
well, and she also tries tomake her look crazy and and depressed
(34:46):
and suicidal, and um, thisdoesn't work right. The she's found found
guilty. The judge Brandy wants toplay the whole thing. I I do
because I think it's four minutes.Wants me, I think because I mean
(35:08):
you've already said you don't have yourfavorite pen with you. You guys throw
away, so it could happen.But I mean, like, I think
it's important because a lot of judgesdon't quite say what he said. And
I mean, like it's usually justa whole you know, hey, I
don't buy your ship. And here'sa sentence. I mean it's it's pretty
direct. He uh he, it'sabout three minutes long. You know,
(35:31):
in my thirty four years and thecriminal justice system as a lawyer and as
a judge, I've seen serial killers, I've seen contract killers, I've seen
murders of every variety and stripe.But I have to say, missus Castor,
you were in a class by yourself. What you did to David Castor
(35:51):
can only be described as premeditated torture, and while you're not being held accountable
for it here, I must saythat what you did to Michael Wallace was
also premeditated torture. The premeditation isnot something we often see in the criminal
courts, but it certainly is presentin both of these instances. Now,
as bad and as evil as thatis, what you tried to do to
(36:14):
your daughter Ashley is simply something thatI find I almost can't comprehend. I've
seen a lot of defendants come throughthis court system, including some whose parents
tried to take the blame for whatthey did, but I've never seen one
who was prepared to sacrifice their childto shift the blame away from themselves.
(36:35):
You know, I listened carefully tothe testimony of both your daughters, and
I have daughters too. They're olderthan yours, but they have a similar
gap in their ages. And Ilistened not only to the wonderment of your
daughter Ashley as she tried to comprehendwhat you did to her. I also
listened to the horror your daughter Breeexperienced in finding her older sister almost dead.
(36:59):
You not only deprived those children oftheir father, but you were prepared
to deprive them of one another.And I'm certain that your daughter is like
my daughters. Like most children whohave siblings, expect and are comforted by
the knowledge that when their parents passon, they'll at least have each other
to grow old and share life with. You almost succeeded in murdering one child
(37:22):
and orphaning the other. The ranksthat ranks in my judgment is one of
the most reprehensible things I think I'veever seen in the criminal justice system.
I know that you maintain your innocence, but I'll tell you, in my
view, the evidence of your guiltis overwhelming. Unlike many defendants who passed
through my courtroom, You're not justa danger to the general public. You're
(37:45):
a danger to the people who loveyou and are closest to you. And
I believe that the sentence I'm aboutto impose will remove that danger once and
for all. Pine your conviction formurder in the second degree, the murder
of David Castor on account one ofthe indictment. It's the sentence and judgment
the court should be sentenced to aminimum twenty five years in a maximum of
life in the New York State CorrectionalSystem. Upon your conviction for attempted murder
(38:07):
in the second degree of your daughter, Ashley Wallace on account two of the
indictment, it is a sentence injudgment of the court that should be sentenced
to a determinate sentence of twenty fiveyears in the New York State Correctional System,
to be followed by a five yearperiod of post release supervision. I
directed that sentence run consecutive to thesentence I've just imposed on account one of
the indictment. Upon your conviction ofoffering a false instrument for filing in the
(38:29):
first degree on account three of theindictment, it's a sentence in judgment of
a court that should be sentenced toa minimum of one or thirty years in
a maximum of four years in theNew York State Correctional System. I direct
that sentence to run consecutively to thesentence I've imposed on Counts one and counts
two of the indictment. There's atwo hundred and seventy five dollars search charge
this caster. You have thirty dayswith which to appeal the sentence in judgment
(38:50):
of the court, we are resistive. So that was the sentencing. It
was a little bit long that Ifeel like hearing what he had to say
to her was important because she wasn'tnever tried for her first husband's death,
and he points out, he makessure that that's pointed out, and how
(39:14):
shitty it was of you know whatshe did to Ashley and Debris too,
but like literally trying to kill Ashley. Under under New York sentencing guidelines,
she would have had to have servedfifty one years, like fifty one in
a third years before she was eveneligible for girl, putting her to be
(39:35):
in like eighty something wouldn't ever been. Yeah, she was, I mean,
but she now. But she didnot serve out her entire sentence.
She didn't even serve out hardly anyof it because in twenty sixteen, on
June eleventh, she was found deadin her cell at the age of forty
eight years old. It was laterdetermined to be a heart attack, which
(39:55):
is kind of fitting since that's whatthey said, because you know, the
first husband was rushed to the hospitaland they told her it was a heart
attack, blah blah blah. SoI think it was very fitting that home
girl died of a heart attack.Right. So that's the story of Stacey
Castor, the Anna free murderer.Right, while she was not um actually
(40:20):
labeled a serial killer. Most mostthings that I've read and seen said that
she probably would appealed again. Someof the family members believed that she may
have killed her father, who Imentioned was right there in her little death
murderer right, heart attack right,No, that said that he was like
(40:45):
in the hospital getting better and thenshe visited and he all of a sudden
took a turn for the worst.And she was the execut tricks executatory.
She she was in charge of hisbish. Yeah, so right, right,
So that's three people with a coolingoff period. But I would like,
(41:07):
right, I would like, oh, well, right, I mean,
if we're gonna go buy the book. But they didn't charge her.
She never was charged with her firsthusband's murder, and the family just believes
her own family believes that she killedthe patriarch of the family. If y'all
get a chance, look for thistwenty twenty episode on this this bitch is
(41:30):
stone cold, like she just sitsthere and is like, I mean,
Ashley was my best friend and It'sjust really disheartening to see a mother be
so emotionless about not only losing twohusbands, but describing how she pretty much
(41:53):
lays it all Ashley Like, evenup until I mean her death, she
still blended on Ashley. Guys,we are speaking of laying things. We're
about to lay this one to bed. Can we lay me a bed?
I'm fucking exhausted, dude, Iknow. Well, before we go to
(42:16):
bed, I do want to playthe promo for a couple of fellow Alabama
true crime podcasters. Uh, we'regonna play the We're gonna play their promo.
We we had the pleasure of meetingthem at a live podcast event up
on the bluff there, what wasit? Wild the Wild Roast Cafe?
(42:42):
UM at a live podcast event withthem and Mom's and Murder Right for Brandy's
birthday. Uh. I know goingto a live podcast doesn't seem like a
big birthday present, but I don'tleave the house a lot, so anytime
I go in public, it's gotto be something important. And Brandy's birthday
is important to me. So shewanted to go see these ladies she'd listened
(43:06):
to, and we went to theWild Rose cafe and saw them during My
best friend. Is it Corpus DelectiCorpus delecti, corpose Delecti. I don't
know. Um, I've heard itsaid both ways. Yes, so you
were talking over me, Sorr.I'm sorry, we're saying the same thing.
(43:29):
We're the fucking same person. You'regonna drop their promo in here and
we're gonna go to man. I'mwill play our our song after after their
promo. Bye guys, Bye guys. Hey y'all. Jenn and Lindsay here
from Corpus Delecti Podcast here to tellyou to check out our show. If
(43:50):
true come is your think, it'sours too. With a touch of white
heartiness and a dash of Southern charm, we cover compelling cases and crack them
open for you, serial killers,hitman, historical hallmarks. We've got it
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