Episode 9 - Love Hurts -Tawnee Baird

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Episode Transcript

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On that Dead Buddy show, wetalk about death and murder and at times
we may use explicit language. Heyguys, we're back with another episode and
another one. I very clearly marriedDJ Kelled. Now you just rent him,
you release the rights. Well,here we are, guys, another

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weekend and glad you came back.We were looking for a case and my
good friend Nikki t over at StrictlyHomicide. I actually suggested a case that
she had just come across, andsince she does only Arkansas cases with October
being the National Domestic Violence Awareness months, this case was actually perfect. I

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guess you could say it fit itto a T, a nikky T.
Did you just throw a dad jokein there? Well, I mean this
is where Nadia gets this ship from. This is it right here? Our
daughters big proponent of the dad joke? Yes, yes she is. Every
year, it's estimated by the Departmentof Justice, at one point three million

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women and eight hundred and thirty fivethousand men are victims of physical violence by
a partner. Every nine seconds,a woman in the US is beaten or
assaulted by a current or ex significantother, and one in four men are
victims of some form of physical violenceby an intimate partner. If you need

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help, you can call the NationalDomestic Violence Hotline at eight hundred seven nine
nine safe that's eight hundred seven ninenine seven two three three, or you
can visit their website at the hotlinedot org. With that, guys,
let's get right into this one.Welcome to episode nine, Love Hearts the

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Murder of Tony Baird. Are yougonna say it? Keep those creepy kids?
Oh? When you say that,it gives me. So. When

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Nikki told me about the case,we did the usual research, google news
articles for court cases, things likethat, and we learned if there was
a couple of true crime, wasit web of lies and there was some
deadly women? Yeah? I decided, you know, yeah, that'd be

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a good case. We watched bothof those. Yeah, those things are
so like reality television. It's likeit's all contrived and scripted. They do
these hinky editing tricks. I meanI know it from watching political television.
I know that they do hinky editingtricks not to maintain those like when the
people don't look anything like the peoplethat play them. Fund I laugh at

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that a lot. Well, Imean I had always obviously suspected it.
I mean, you know, theyhave to make it in you know,
entertaining at least. However, Iguess I never expected how much they changed
it. So yeah, during duringthese these searches that we're doing, we

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also found that a lot of thepeople involved in this victim, the killer
friends, they all have social mediapresences that are still active up until now.
Almost every case we've covered has beenbefore, right, Facebook, YouTube,

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anywhere, even are close at thebeginning of my Space things like that.
Yeah, I think one was myspace time like scholar in them right,
but this, I mean, thereare videos of the killer and the
victim. Both have active YouTube withnothing new posted. Of course, one

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of them is deceased and the otheris in prison, but they do have
historical posts there that are are significantto the case. I feel. I
feel like the killer Victoria's I'm sorryyeah apology video, which was accurately portrayed
in the Web of Lies, obviouslybecause they played straight from I mean they

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played it. They didn't recreate that, thank god. Because anyway, all
of this being said, I didmy first I did my first out on
a limb thing as a podcaster andreached out to one of the people who
had so many pictures of her orbeen tagged in pictures and had a whole

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YouTube like she had a tribute videoto to Tawny. She was in the
Web of Lives? Was it?Yes, she was interviewed in the Web
of Lives and was not happy withthe way that it turned out, to
say the least, like a wholeI oh, so many questions. They

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went back and forth in tags forhours email. It was for many days
actually, between that and I hadclasses Thursday and Friday for work. I've
talked to her a good bit andwanted to make sure to thank Lacy for
taking the time to answer what seemedhad to have seemed like gy eleve in

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questions. But the the Web ofLives just came out last month on my
birthday. Yes, by it wasall a month to the day actually,
right, And yeah, so thankyou Lacy. Yeah, I mean she
she wanted to make sure that everybodyknew that it wasn't as I went back

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after we found out that she saidthat they kind of chopped up what she
said, Yeah, to make it, you know, I guess more interesting
or palatable for the masses. Iwent back and you can actually tell that
it's chopped. Yeah, when she'stalking about her and wanting to be a
singer like she's she said that shehad like listed a whole thing off that

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she wanted to do. And Iknow that one of them was moving to
California and she was, but shehad almost given up on the sing thing.
She just yeah, yeah, andbut they still but they chopped it
right there, like she wanted tobe a singer, chop right, I
mean, you know, and andand it tells me that if they did
that with that. So from allof this, this information that we gathered

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from her and some of the newsarticles and the court proceedings and whatnot,
we're going to try to present astrue an account as we can. We
have not got to speak to themom or the dad in this, but
um Lacy did actually converse with themom and get some things just straightened out

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that we were confused about because theway they do it right. And so
when when you hear this, andif you compare it to either of the
shows that are out there and they'renot, they don't jibe with the show.
Know that we have ranged I meanI guess I don't know, but
I mean that. I mean Iasked her could we share the things she

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told us? And she wants itout skewed for for reasons. Well,
I mean, you know things,some things are boring, like you know,
we'll mention a lot of them andwe'll point them out, yes,
as well as we get on withthis. So where do we start?
Okay? So, when Tony wasaround seventeen ish or so, Um,

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she was in the car with agroup of friends who had marijuana. Oh
lord, don't wait a minute now, don't forget, don't forget where we're
at. I know, okay,we're in the big old buckle of the
Bible belt, right. Um.But so they get caught, you know,
a cop pulls up and they hadI don't, I don't. They

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weren't driving and get got pulled over. They were sitting rights, one of
the things that doesn't right, Um, if you're moving, you can't necessarily
I mean they're not. They werelooking. I mean it looked suspicious.
I'm sure. So they they theyall get taken out and somebody's got to

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own up for the weed. Yeah, and she was under age. I
think I think I'm assuming and Ihate to say I assume. I shouldn't
assume. But from what I gather, everybody else was either at eighteen are
well over, and they would haveactually been in trouble. Trouble, right,
so they you know, she wasthinking, well, i'm under age,
it'll be a slap on the wrist, they'll take me home to my

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mom, pretty much the most part, which is what she should have got.
But it seems like there was somethinga month in juvie for simple possession.
I mean, it is Utah andit's a Mormon enclave, as I
like to say that your favorite Iknow, but whatever. They just now

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got five percent beer, so they'redumping out all the beer that was below
five percent that they were selling insteadof selling it to people drinking it,
right, yeahs is it like pouringout from my homies. I'm confused.
They just don't they can't sell.They're getting more of the same beer,
but at a higher alcas I know, but I just subbed, if I
waste, it's a that's a sin. Okay, but that's a sin,

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that's a sinka. You're pouring outthe alcohols. So she what should have
been a slap on the wrist turnedout to be a month in GV and
looking back, if it hadn't havebeen I don't know. It seems like
somebody was trying to teach her alesson. Yeah, is that hadn't have
been forced, right, this wouldn'tbe an episode. No, this would

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not be it. And I actuallyasked Lazy that. I asked her if
if there was any feasible reason thatshe could have seen that she would have
met Victoria had she not went toGUV, and she said she didn't.
I mean really think so at allthe different circles. Yeah, they lived
forty five minutes away and they hadno incommon friends. So I don't think

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that you're right. I don't thinkwe would be doing an episode right now.
If she goes to GUV, yes, for a month, and she
meets Victoria, known as V bymost of the girls in their circle,
which is what I call my bestfriend Virginia. Don't kill me V please
anyway, So while she's there,her mom comes to visit. Tony's mom

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comes to visit and she tells her, you know, I want to introduce
you to my friend Victoria. Andshe goes, oh, and by the
way, we're together, something alongthose lines. I don't know if it
started as started as a what dothey call a sembiodic relationship, and in
the Slammer, I mean I thinkso, I think from the videos I've

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seen, and there's no other mentionof any previous same sex relationship. Her
mother seemed to be kind of shockedby so not shocked in a bad way,
but like, wait minute, maybethat's maybe that's what she discovered,
was you know, right what shewanted. I will say this, um.

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Towards the end of the relationship,multiple people did say that they felt
like Victoria felt that she was goingto go back to guys. So they
meet in juvie. She does herher month, tells her mom, I'm
in the same sex relationship. Nowthis is V. This is V.
And while she's there, Victoria getsa let her or finds out in some

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form because again, you know,we don't know exactly how she's out.
UM that her mom was getting sicker. Yes, she she has cancer and
had cancer and would later her herher sickness. Her illness would later play
into this story as well. Tawnygets out and tells tells V that she

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she's gonna wait for her, andshe does. I think V does another
two or three months, maybe three, maybe three, there's varying, and
Tawny comes and gets her with herdad. Yeah, her dad drives her
there, and her dad's okay withwith Honey and and V being together and

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until the end of this story,of course, or somewhere they're in the
middle the end. Yeah, youcan, I mean, but you can
imagine. Come on, oh yeah, I wouldn't be okay. I mean,
if I liked you previously, ifyou kill my child, I'm definitely
nothing like you. There. Itdoesn't actually, it gives the date in
the corner of the programs, butI don't think it conveys it does not

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the actual time that they are together. No, it does not. I
mean, like you said, itdoes put the date in the bottom.
But it really, really, really, there's only so much you can do
in a twenty two minute program.True, but still, I mean,
it still makes it to me.It doesn't seem like it's five years.
No, it does not seem likeit's five years. No, It's like

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they get out and then bay Imjust happens. It's not like that they
are in a troubled relationship. Theythere's from what was actually it later comes
out they were both at each other. They both were jealous, yes,
they but I believe that Tawny wasjealous of the around other girls. V

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was jealous of Tawny around everybody.But now I will say this, I
don't I think that V gave herreason to be jealous. I think that.
And when I say gave her reasonto be let me rephrase that,
like, I don't know that shenecessarily did it on purpose all the time,
but she knew that other girls werelooking at her and talking to her,

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and she didn't. She didn't stopit the way that she expected Tawny
to stop things like I told younot to hang out with this guy,
told you not to talk to thisguy on social media, but she would
take the attention from other people,Like do you know what I'm saying right
right? Tawny wasn't interested in anyonebut V no no um. I also

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feel like that was reciprocated by V. So it goes on for five years,
there's arguments and and it it getsdown to what did uh the sister
I said that they were both jealous, and it got into fights that were
hitting and punching and kicking. Sothey were at odds with each other,

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but they loved you. It wasone of those I'm fighting you because it
was a lot like you and I. Actually, well, maybe we're not
this bad. I'm hoping you're notgonna kill me. You're not You're not
going to kill me, or I'vebeen studying me for a long time.
My voice correct so lazy, saidLacy said that, you know, it

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was when it was really well orit was really good, it was good,
but when it was bad, itwas bad. That they you know,
that they had so much fun together. And one of the things that
really pissed me off about the Webof Lies episode, and I want this
out there because, hey, letme get something. We do love each
other. I want to get thatout. Some people don't think that we're

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like we're gonna end up on anepisode and they'll be covering us. Right.
That implies they would find your body, true or vice versa. I
know, let's be real, theywould never find the other body anyway.
So one of the things that thisepisode kept saying was that and actually the
name of the episode was Fatal Facade, and they kept saying how they faked

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it, and on social media theyput up all these great pictures of each
other, and that was our sonactually said, well, what was the
web of lies with that? Right? Yeah? But it was the actual
internets, the interwebs, right,And but but I don't think that they
were lying, like Lacy said,you know, everybody has light. I'm

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not a big instagrammer, so Ididn't go out and there. I actually
didn't either. I mean, butI don't know that I would be able
to because that would be that HarryJacket was actually pretty good. They showed
some of the pictures, right,actual pictures during that episode as well,
because they were pushing the whole Oh, they were making themselves look great and

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like they were like they were,but you know, to be honest with
you, for ever, for everytime that they said that they posted all
these pictures to make themselves look inlove every fucking time. If you look
at almost every time, either Vais doing that whole crazy Illuminati thing,
yeah she thought, or she's makinga face behind Tony that's literally like what

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the fuck, like her face betrayedor she's blitzed out of her free now
she might have been, so Ididn't think of that, but it's still
like she staked facing for real,for real. One thing that to me
rang true of just all the showsand from Lacy is that v constantly accused,

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UM, Tony of cheating is usuallythe one doing I don't know that
she did before. Well that's verytrue. And in this case, I
don't know that she did before whatI'm about to talk about. But she
decides that, um, she's donewith it. That all these guys are
commenting on Tony's stuff, and shesees you know, this message or whatever,

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you know from one of her friends, like you know, let's grab
coffee, and she's like, youknow what, I can do this too,
and she cheats on her with Tony'sbest friend or not best friend but
a friend. But she says inthe video a good friend. Um,
and and Lacy actually says, butit wasn't me. That leads to the
YouTube video I'm sorry video we mentionedearlier that was also portrayed in the Why

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show. Um, there's a lotof things about this case that they're just
crazy, um, so that shethey they do have their problems, she
cheats, they break up to makeup, which is funny because Tawny's YouTube,

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as I said, was still activeand she has like her liked videos
or playlist or whatever, and oneof them is the method Man song with
with the Angelo breakups to makeups,and it seemed like that might be a
theme for their relationship. Yeah,I think I think that they had a
very passionate Victoria's playlist had like alot of like gangster her Victoria little gangster.

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I mean, yeah, so sheuh. They also um well after
after the cheating incident, they ofcourse got back together because Tawny really loved
her, and Victoria really loved Tawny. I think she still does. I
mean, and they get together,they get into another fight and Victoria popped

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Tawny in the mouth and knocks atooth out. And I'm not sure if
she chipped the tooth and knocked sheknocked it out. It was fucking gone
like this, this whose was out, like she was in her hand like
it was gone and this was not. And there's actually a YouTube video or
a Facebook video where she's got abruise on her mouth, right, we

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found that one, So I'm assumingwell, I mean, I guess it
could have been from another fight,but it was right close to her done.
There's also, I mean, there'stons of their videos still out there
on their page, on their theiraccounts and other people's that like, like
them setting up a microphone, andthey look I mean they look happy.
And yeah, and her little sistersthere, the Tawny's little sisters there,

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who actually just just turned fourteen,yes another day, yeah, a few
days ago. Um, they forall. I mean, they look like
a happy couple. So maybe whichis that's what they're pointing out there.
But I don't think that they Idon't think that they did what the show
accused him of doing, of makinga fake life for social media. I

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think that they were happy, likeLacy said, when it was good,
it was good. I mean,yeah, she gets her truth knocked out.
Her dad is pissed. Yeah,they make up a story that is
true to my knowledge, I'm notI'm not sure. I don't think that
me and Lacy covered exactly what thestory was, but I think the story
was made up is and her dadwas actually in the process of I believe

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Paine on a replacement dental vice,probably a permanent implant. He's a radio
personality and pretty I guess local famous. Probably that's not quite Internet famous,
but I know, I'm thinking he'sprobably Internet famous at this point because he
posted videos a good bit about howpissed he is right about his daughter.

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Well, no, I'm just soI'm just saying no. I mean,
I'm sure that it but he was, I mean, he was there and
helped out with the relationship. Hesaid, you know, Tony was beautiful,
and there she was without her tooth, you know, I mean,

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I can assume that that was roughto him. So one of the things
that Lacy said was that she didn'tlike the way she was portrayed, but
she also didn't like the way theyportrayed the mother. If the mother knew
all of this was going on andwas just okay with it, you know,
Oh well, I guess that that'sjust your relationship, you know,

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dynamic. That's not true because ofthe way it cuts it. It.
Like I said earlier, it trulydoesn't look like five years. It looks
like she gets out of GV andthen just get murdered like within let maybe
a year or so. In reality, Tony was twenty one years old,
and while they did live with themom, they had also lived with Victoria's

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mom before she died, which ledto the she didn't feel like she could
turn her way, right because,I mean, my daughter had lived with
you and your mom, of courseyou can come here and live with us.
And I think and one of thethings that Tony's mom says in the
video is that the show was thatthat she was manipulative, but a lot

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of people I'm sure she also sawthat her daughter was a lot like that
as well, but probably didn't wantto own up to that. I mean,
I mean, and I hate tosay that, I mean, but
I think I think they both kindof had to be to a certain extent,
right, right, So she didcarry Vye to get a job,
Yes, as a security guard.Yes, Tony had recently enrolled in it's

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called a community college, right ona Was it financial? I don't know,
she was. She was an honestshe's an assistant to an accountant as
a job, right she was.I'm not sure. I know she went
back to school. I know thatLacy said she went back to school,
and she was very happy that shewas, you know, going back to
school and getting somewhere. So theyare, Well, here's where one of

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one of the the docu dramas I'mgonna call it, varies from the true
story. They the night of theincident October twentieth, October eighteenth, twenty
fourteen. They were drinking with afriend at at the French home. They

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were not quote at a bar,as portrayed in the program. But you
know that's that's not cool and interesting. Oh, you were just kind of
sitting at a friend's house drinking,which to me would have bringed more true
to me. But whatever, Iguess, because we're homebodies, I guess
it's more believable to me that theywere hanging out with friends than at a
bar. But instead of drinking thatone eight hundred and they were drinking at

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a friend's house. They left,and there's actually a very cool picture of
Lacy and Tawny that says, youknow, this was like the last few
hours she spent with her. Theyare at the trend's house. And I
believe that Tawny had smoked some weed. Victoria did not. Did not because

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she had recently gotten a security gobjob or was in the process and was
probably trying to not have in hersystem, right, But I think she
had gotten it but probably needed topass the drug tap. Well yeah,
I mean, if you probably haveto take one at least once a months
with something like that. I wasfell. But so she did not smoke
marijuana that night and that usually calmedher down, and she spoked a lot

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of nor according to according to twosources, and um, I guess,
you know, not having that asas you know, a calming agent might
have led to this. Uh.They were on their way home from from

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this this person's house with Lacy.They were taking Lazy home. They dropped
Lacy off, and Lacey did pointout that at some point, even though
she fully believed that Victoria was beingover dramatic, that Victoria was like,
you know what, y'all go,I'm just gonna stay here, but that
she felt like she kind of wantedher people to be like maybe come like

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come with it, you know,like um but that yeah, like she
wouldn't have stayed. No, itwas like yeah, it was kind like
you know, she wanted to yeah, pretty yeah exactly. That's the way
I felt I felt about it,was that she wanted her Tawny to be

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like, you know, no,really, you know, come on baby,
or how you know. However theytalked to each other, Lacy did
say that that night she normally didn'tsmoke. Lacy didn't normally smoke, but
that that night, Um, shewas glad she did because her an Tony
just kind of like chilled and laughedand you know, did printing. Yeah,

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I didn't like, you know,talked about things or whatever, and
that that's how she'll always remember her. Um. So they were driving home,
they dropped Lacy off, and I'msure it was over jealousy. I
mean I would almost bet money thatthey were on the fifteen fifteen. Yeah,
I believe so is and Tony wasdriving. Vicky never drove anywhere.

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They says, she never drove off, say the Victoria. The never drove
anywhere. Vicky just reminds me ofthe babysitter from Timmy Turner Vicky. Although
I'm sure that's how a lot ofpeople feel about her now anyway, So
I guess maybe we could stick withthat. She sounds to me. I'm

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not in no way officially able tomake a diagnosis, but she seems like
she might have some type of borderlinepersonality disorder where she just went manic and
then did things and then realize,oh shit, I did things. Yeah,
like the snapping and not realizing whatthe things you say, and she

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Tony get in an argument, probablysome popping slapping. She says that Tony
pulled her hair and that set heroff, and she pulled a knife and
stabbed her forty six times while Tonywas driving on the freeway. I'm not
sure what the I fifteen looks like, is it? I'm almost positive it

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was our fifteen. Yes, becausewhen we looked at it, remember,
because we were looking to see wherethe church was, that they were found
right that the address of the churchwas given and it's a Pentecostal church.
Yes, And so she stabbed herforty six times, and I believe manipulated
her into the passenger seat of thecar and the car was going kind of
like crazy, and drove enough toget to the off ramp, realized where

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she was and pulled into the churchparking lot, which Melissa. I pulled
a Melissa and Google mapped it andshout out to Melissa from Moms and Murders.
I love her, Google the city. So I Google mapped it and
I went all and looked at theparking lot. It's a very small church's

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board. Yeah, and that's whereshe went as a child, and that
was right. I mean, it'slike a few blocks off of the eye.
She called her sister and I've killedDawnny, And then the sister called
the police. Her sister gave theaddress of the church that they had attended

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as children, and the police gothere. They find Victoria V sitting there
on the ground outside the car toask her. She's covered in blood.
They ask her if if she hasweabon ars. She says no, the
knife is in the car, right. They look in the car and they

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see Tawnny just slumped over into thehalf seat and half in the floorboard,
and she has cut marks or sadmarks over her face and throat and torso
and she's pronounced there like there's noright. This is where I think the

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obsessive personality disorder is what it is. I mean, there's many borderline the
borderline personality disorder um comes in thatshe she immediately said, you know,
I did it. I mean therewas no I don't think. One of
the things that she said, andno investigation. She immediately I'm a monster.

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Yeah. But one of the thingsthat she told the police was I
think at first she I don't thinkshe thought she was dead. She asked
that she was gonna be okay.And when the police asked, you know
what happened? She said, youknow, she pulled my hair and I
stabbed her a little bit and thenshe was like okay. The cop says
to her, he's like, yep, yeah, but no that like you
stabbed her forty you didn't you stabbedher a lot or something a little bit?

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Yeah, And I think there's avideo of the cop who it is.
It is there's no telling how manystabs or I know that it's in
one of the reports. The policeofficer says, there's there's no telling how
many stabs that'll come with the autopsytomorrow, and I'm sorry, goes on
me on him. Yeah, it'suh. So she immediately confesses to the

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crime, says there's not gonna bea trial, which I'm confused, while
there was even a poor liminaer hearingif she was going to play guilty unless
unless at the pre because the videoof her at the prelium happen to hear
all of this and hear the numberone call stumps over and she's crying.

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She is remorseful, and she okay, so she's Her lawyer says that if
she had not played guilty or youknow, confessed that he probably could have
gotten her off using the battered spousedefense, which I don't. She did
not want that. She didn't wantthat I owned up to her crimes,

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and I believe that when the judgesentenced her, second district Judge Joseph Bean
Order, if he's any kind tojudge with roy Bean but then his name
the hanging. Nevertheless, he sentencedher to sixteen years to life, which
sixteen years for a first degree felonymurder, but it was not aggravated,

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which I'm not sure. And thefather is in disbelief about how stabbing someone
forty six times cannot be aggravated.I'm a little I don't know. That's
a little iffy to me. Butbut mental let's stop for a second,
because mental illness is a real thing. And if she was mentally ill in
any capacity, if she snapped inthat moment forty six times to a frenzied

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person, right then, when you'rethat mad in a car, it sounds
aggravated to us. But when shecalmed down, she probably only thought,
Okay, I stabbed her maybe onceor twice, Like I mean, really,
I mean yeah, I mean that'swhat I'm saying like, Yeah.
One of the things I will sayis even though the her lawyer said that
he probably could have got her offwith the battered um spouse syndrome, Lacy

(34:15):
said that Tony could be a snotto Victoria, but that she was never
violent, like she didn't and whatdo you start gate And she didn't.
It's like she didn't put her handson her furs and that she wasn't controlling
towards her, but she was likementally or like like, I mean,
she just said that she could bea snot to her, Yeah, and

(34:36):
I mean I don't know, ofcourse, I mean, we're not gonna
talk bad about her, and wehave tried to maintain because this has been
a hard one on me. Imean, I've tried to not joke much
because I do truly believe, likeI said, that that the is remorseful
and that that goes a lot towardsparole. That's actually a lot coming from

(34:57):
us because usually the killer on thiswe usually just roast them. I mean
we do. And it's been hardbecause I believe that even though Victoria is
still alive, that she's sort ofa victim as well, because I don't
think she's emotionally cognizant. I believeshe knows that she did it. No,

(35:19):
she knows she did it, butI don't believe that she really meant
to do it. I believe that'strue. That seems weird. No,
I don't think times. Although Idid say that she got sentence six seemed
to life. The dates don't matchup. She I don't know if they
added time, but it's there's adifference of about eight years our first parole.

(35:44):
Yeah. On one report says thatthey reviewed her um her prison not
history, with the word I'm lookingfor her prior. No, her prison
like like not history, but there'sa like what she's done while she's been
in prison? Right right? Well? She she? Uh, I believe
it has been in fights. I'msure since she got there. Yeah,

(36:07):
that was that was it. Yes, it's been passed on to us that
she's already dating someone else and thatshe had been in many fights since she's
been in jail. Now, thedating somebody that just makes you kind of
shitty. In my book, that'snot gonna stop you from getting prole But
hey, what are you in forkilling the love of my life? You

(36:29):
want to go out? I mean, how does that get work? Right?
But I I like, like Isaid, I believe she she is
remorsal. That's why I haven't madetoo many jokes about it. Besides,
domestic violence is not really a funnything. No, this, this and
this episode has actually hit me alittle bit hard, like I said,
because this is the first time thatwe've done a case where everybody there's there's

(36:52):
not every obviously not everybody's alive,but um, there was somebody to even
talk to. And in talking toLacy, you can hear her hurt.
Even though it was only through throughtext, it through you know, there
was no I didn't get to hearher voice other than you know in the
blabb of lies. Um, youcan you can tell she misses Tawny.
Everybody misses her, and so itYeah, this one's been a rough one

(37:19):
for me. So I would liketo say thank you again to Lacy for
taking the time to answer my fiftyeleven questions and um for sharing you know,
her love of Tawny and the truth. You know, like I said,
she said that one of the thingsthat really bothered her. She normally
doesn't give details out to everybody,but she was so upset by how she

(37:42):
was portraying right and the mom andactually all of it. She said,
all of it but a train right. Yeah, I mean I can only
imagine if that was me being interviewedabout somebody and then you watch it and
then it's just butchered. I mean, it's not done right at all.
You know, you'd want your bestfriend remembered to thank you, Lacy for
allowing us to reach out to you, and thank you guys for tuning in

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