The Woman in White

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Spoons (00:00):
He's like, my other skills include helping random

(00:03):
women I know nothing about inthe middle of the night.
Beating asses.

Wheezy (00:06):
Pining for engaged women.
Beating asses.
That was surprising.
Every time he was like, I can'twait to kick their ass.
I was like, maybe you're kind ofhot.
Hello everyone and welcome backto That Pretentious Book Club.

Gino (00:26):
hoo

Wheezy (00:27):
Yay.

Spoons (00:28):
Club members.

Wheezy (00:30):
Lady men.

Spoons (00:31):
Ladies.

Wheezy (00:32):
Club members.

Gino (00:33):
Ladies in the house.

Wheezy (00:35):
Country ladies.
Ladies in the asylum.
Ladies outside of the asylum.

Spoons (00:39):
Everybody get in here.
Evil counts.
Let's all get in here.
Except

Wheezy (00:44):
for that one guy that I work with.
He's not invited'cause I reallydon't like him anyways.
I was going to introduce Dr.
Spoons Palermo, but you can callher Kendall Shaw, but I would
rather you actually called herDr.
Spoons Palermo.
So I don't really know what I'msaying.

Spoons (00:56):
Well, my thing Dle in and over there

Wheezy (00:59):
is, uh, Gino,

Gino (01:01):
Ni hao

Wheezy (01:02):
oh look, she did it.
I think that's a total of threetimes now.
That's fantastic.
Nice.
And I am Ash O'Rourke.
But you can call me Wheezy.
Apparently beige is my newcolor.
Do you like how my wholebackground is the color of my
sweater.

Spoons (01:16):
Have like a

Gino (01:16):
She's beige.

Spoons (01:17):
We're color grading.
You know, it's like you're doingtwilight, but it's all

Wheezy (01:21):
I am,

Spoons (01:22):
of all blue.
Like you're,

Wheezy (01:24):
it's all beige.
I'm a

Gino (01:26):
You're just trying to contrast me in my bright orange.
You are like, we need to tone itdown a bit.

Wheezy (01:31):
me now.
I'm gone completely

Gino (01:34):
Where did she go?

Spoons (01:36):
Oh my God.
I can't do that.

Gino (01:38):
Whoa.

Spoons (01:39):
Like

Wheezy (01:40):
Oh my gosh.
That's a very Riley core of you.

Spoons (01:44):
Oh my god.

Wheezy (01:45):
Anyways, Gino, let's start with how's your week?
Because, uh, spoons and I wenton a trip and so I have a
feeling that ours might overlapsomewhat.
So spoons was like, actually Iwas never gonna talk about that
again.
I'm, I'm gonna unlive that.

Spoons (01:57):
yeah.
That was great.

Wheezy (01:59):
right.
Yeah.
we really need to talk

Spoons (02:02):
Oh

Wheezy (02:02):
camera.

Spoons (02:03):
No way.

Wheezy (02:04):
It's a

Spoons (02:05):
Yes, Gino?

Gino (02:06):
Oh goodness.

Wheezy (02:07):
how have you been?
What's been

Gino (02:09):
Well, I was thinking, I was thinking earlier, I was
like, what am I gonna talk abouttoday?
And I was like, well, honestly,birds.

Spoons (02:15):
birds.

Gino (02:17):
it's, it's much better bird news than the last episode.

Wheezy (02:22):
That's what a relief.

Gino (02:23):
I am gonna say there were still some more deaths, but I
honestly don't, it all blurredso much together with how much
happened last time.
I don't know what I mentionedand what I didn't, so we're not
gonna mention any more of them.
But I had baby ducklings bornthis week, seven of them.
Yeah, seven of them.

Wheezy (02:41):
They're'Em so

Gino (02:42):
I know,

Wheezy (02:43):
slap, slap of their little feet.
gosh.

Gino (02:46):
one of them is for, actually two of them are for
sure Meatloaf's babies, um,because her eggs are different
color than the other one.
So I, they're like a greenish,so I can tell they're hers.
So they're being named pumpkinLoaf and Spice Loaf meat Loafs
Babies.

Wheezy (03:00):
That's really

Gino (03:01):
And then one of the other ducklings is Susan.
And then other than that, theydon't have names yet,

Wheezy (03:07):
Should name one of them, Sean.

Spoons (03:09):
yeah.

Wheezy (03:10):
I think Sean is just a really good pet name.

Gino (03:12):
Brody was put in the mix, so

Spoons (03:15):
Dude,

Wheezy (03:16):
That's really good.
Too

Spoons (03:17):
They're like some SoCal guys, man.
Like,

Gino (03:21):
hang tight,

Wheezy (03:22):
real.
Oh my

Gino (03:23):
hang loose.
It's,

Spoons (03:24):
bro?
Dude.
Like.

Gino (03:26):
one of my high school friends that I haven't seen in I
think like two years actually.
She was over the other day and Iwas like, I gotta feed the
chickens and the ducks andstuff.
And so she's like, well, I'lljust follow you.
And so she followed me aroundthe arc, my routine, my morning
and evening routine with thebirds is about 30 minutes long.

Wheezy (03:47):
I get that.

Gino (03:47):
and so she was like, follow me around as I did this.
And halfway through she goes.
Our lives are so different fromeach other.

Wheezy (03:55):
Oh my gosh.

Gino (03:56):
I was just like, you know what?
My life's probably verydifferent from most peoples.
Um,

Wheezy (04:02):
Remember when

Gino (04:03):
but I know I, what a photo came up.
I was gonna send it to you theother day of the first like
store-bought little chicken coopI got from my first six
chickens.
It was like memory and it waslike the only thing in my yard
with those six chickens.
I was like, oh yeah, back.
Remember then when I didn'thave, I think I have over 70

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birds right now again.
But most of them are likebabies.

Wheezy (04:27):
That's

Gino (04:28):
20 more, I bought 20 more meat birds the other day.
Oh.
I bought I had to buy three babychickens from the store to give
to the mama.
That wouldn't stop being broody.
And she's the cutest, she's sohappy with her baby chickens.
Like she's taking'em all aroundand protecting them and showing
them how to find food and stuff.
And they're so cute together.

Wheezy (04:49):
precious.
She's what a good chicken mama.

Spoons (04:52):
good.

Gino (04:53):
I know.

Wheezy (04:54):
They're so

Gino (04:55):
And, other than that, I've been running a lot, against my,
against my will, but alsobecause I did it to myself.
Um.

Wheezy (05:06):
I know I keep seeing your updates on social media
that you're running and everytime I'm like, God, I'm glad I'm
not her.
Every time

Gino (05:12):
But I use it to listen to, I used it to listen to this
book, which I feel like I'vebeen listening to my whole life,
to be honest and not like, oh,it resonates with me in the way
of like, it never ended.

Spoons (05:25):
hours

Gino (05:25):
going on forever.

Wheezy (05:27):
long.

Gino (05:28):
I know.

Wheezy (05:29):
It is 25 hours, this audio book.
Oh my goodness.
I was like, and we're just gonnaup the speed to 1.5.
And I was like, and we're justgonna keep on bringing the speed
up because this is takingforever.

Spoons (05:39):
I was at 1.8, but I think that's, I base everything

Wheezy (05:44):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (05:44):
when we did Tiger's Curse, I had it on like 2.3 at
the very end there.
'cause I still had,

Gino (05:50):
my lord.

Wheezy (05:51):
That's crazy.

Spoons (05:53):
you know, I say

Wheezy (05:55):
That's that.
That says something.
Yeah.
I've been trying to listen to myclassic Slower because they're
harder for me to understand.
So this time I was like, thisreally feels like a gamble.
I might have no idea what thisbook is about.

Gino (06:07):
That's, that's funny because I, for the longest time,
I never understood how anyonecould listen to books a faster
than just like one, you know,what they're read at.
And then

Wheezy (06:19):
I can't actually

Gino (06:20):
I.

Wheezy (06:20):
to things at one.

Gino (06:21):
Really, that's all I ever listened to.
And then I listened to a book atlike 1.5 and it was a scientific
book, like literally it wasabout sharks.

Wheezy (06:31):
Mm-hmm.

Gino (06:32):
and I realized I could listen to anything that was not
anything nonfiction at a fastspeed.
I could do 1.5 or two and Icomprehend it.
But if it's fiction, I like tolike relish in the descriptions
and the way people like talk andeverything.
So I like, I don't like it goingfast if it's fiction because I
like to picture the scenes andeverything.

Spoons (06:54):
that.
That

Wheezy (06:55):
To me.
When they read at a normal pace,I don't know if it's'cause I, my
brain goes faster or my mouthgoes faster, but to me it sounds
like they're talking in slowmotion and it's just at one.
But that's what it sounds liketo me.
So it drives me crazy.
I'm like, you don't even soundlike a person up by, by at least
0.2.

(07:15):
And I'm like, okay, we'reapproaching like normal speeds.

Spoons (07:18):
default for audiobook is 1.3.
I can't listen to it any slowerthan that or else I'm like,
hurry it up.
Like okay, I get it.
I feel like they

Wheezy (07:28):
I know.
You're like, let's get there.

Spoons (07:30):
but I'm gonna try,

Wheezy (07:32):
I do too.
Oh my God.
The kitty cats are

Gino (07:35):
the cats,

Wheezy (07:36):
this on YouTube, you can enjoy the cutest little kitty
cats you've ever seen.

Spoons (07:40):
menace'cause

Wheezy (07:41):
Oh

Gino (07:41):
my gosh.

Spoons (07:42):
outside and try and get in or inside.
So there might just be catinterruptions everyone.
I'm so sorry,

Wheezy (07:48):
Yeah.

Spoons (07:48):
but at least they're cute.

Gino (07:50):
It's amazing.

Wheezy (07:51):
okay.
It's worth it.
Yeah.

Gino (07:53):
Yeah.

Wheezy (07:54):
and Caler.
Juer and caler.

Spoons (07:56):
I know.

Wheezy (07:57):
Cute.

Spoons (07:57):
They're both little demons is what it is.
Fire, demon, and regular demon.

Gino (08:02):
So, uh, spoons, what's up with your life in this, uh,
amazing adventure Y'all went on

Spoons (08:07):
all

Gino (08:08):
or don't talk about it.
I dunno.

Spoons (08:10):
Well, I'm basically friend breaking up with Ash
right after this, so, no, I waskidding.

Wheezy (08:15):
What?
No, I was taking a thinkingabout this.
It just, it took me a second toprocess your words and I was
like, wait a minute.

Gino (08:20):
Don't worry.
She just said friend.
Breaking up professionally,she'll still be here.

Spoons (08:24):
you know, any other way?
No,

Wheezy (08:26):
Hello.
Thought we were gonna save thatfor off camera.
We did share a bed all weekend,so there was only one bed.
What

Gino (08:33):
Mm.

Wheezy (08:33):
were supposed to do

Gino (08:34):
That pretentious book club after dark.

Wheezy (08:37):
after dark.
Oh my goodness.

Spoons (08:40):
the for how much?
What We like flirt with eachother jokingly.
I'm always like worried peopleare gonna be like, aren't they
cousins?
I'm like, like, not really.
Like, like we're

Gino (08:50):
Lovers.

Spoons (08:50):
lovers.

Gino (08:51):
Lovers.

Spoons (08:52):
not cousins.
Second of all, we're not

Wheezy (08:53):
I mean, doesn't it really show you though?
Yeah, it's technically both.
Yes, this is

Gino (08:58):
They're lovers.

Wheezy (09:00):
the cousin lovers haunt us, man.
No, but like, it really show howfar we've come as a society,
that you're not worried thatpeople think that we're lesbian.
You're worried that they thinkthat we're cousins.

Spoons (09:09):
for that.
But also bad.
You know, there's lots ofaspects to that.
Like I'm, it's a

Wheezy (09:15):
a mixed bag.

Spoons (09:16):
but,

Wheezy (09:17):
my goodness.

Spoons (09:18):
we had a lot of fun.

Wheezy (09:20):
I do love, I do love to flirt with my girlies.

Spoons (09:22):
with people.

Wheezy (09:23):
I'm a big old girly flirt.

Spoons (09:25):
And

Wheezy (09:25):
is.

Spoons (09:26):
are a flirt.

Wheezy (09:27):
I

Spoons (09:27):
it.
It's so funny.

Wheezy (09:28):
only with girls,

Spoons (09:30):
a man shows up and you're like, Ew.

Gino (09:32):
I am the exact opposite.
Not, not, not the, with girlsthing.
Just that.

Spoons (09:37):
You are

Gino (09:37):
don't ew.
Go away to everyone.
Yeah,

Wheezy (09:40):
like, no, I, men,

Gino (09:41):
know.

Wheezy (09:42):
With men, my immediate instinct is like, like really
mean look.
And then maybe a growl if theyget too close.
But with girls I'm like, oh myGod, you are like so pretty.

Spoons (09:51):
you are gorgeous.

Wheezy (09:52):
No, you are gorgeous.
Like, hey, do you wanna go likehave a sleepover somewhere where
there's only one bed and wejust, we have to share it'cause
there's just one bed.

Spoons (10:00):
would love to

Gino (10:00):
I see what

Wheezy (10:01):
how I

Gino (10:01):
happened.

Wheezy (10:02):
Kendall to go hang out with me all weekend.

Spoons (10:04):
Yeah.
That's

Wheezy (10:05):
There are pictures of us drinking wine in bathrobes on
this bed.
It was fantastic.

Spoons (10:10):
We went to this very, very cute little like bot
boutique hotel.

Wheezy (10:15):
Bradford House in Oklahoma City.
If you ever go to Oklahoma City,this is the place to stay.

Spoons (10:20):
cute.
It's like

Wheezy (10:20):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (10:22):
and it's like three stories and, uh, there's like a
gorgeous like restaurant andlittle bar and they have like a
cafe and like, it's very, verycute.
And so we had like the best timeever and it was so

Wheezy (10:34):
it's adorable.

Spoons (10:35):
even have like a, you know, like restaurants have like
Michelin stars.
They have a hotel one.
We were like, what?
This is

Wheezy (10:43):
Yeah,

Spoons (10:43):
And so

Wheezy (10:45):
it's called like a key or something I think.
I don't know, like a Michelinkey or something.
I dunno.
But they have, yeah, they have.
And it's not surprising at all.
It's amazing.
So we got room service becausethey were events going on all
weekend at the hotel, so we werelike, we actually don't want to
even try and get down there.

Spoons (10:59):
So we like, were really bougie

Wheezy (11:00):
a kind of, was kind of crazy.

Spoons (11:02):
going on, but

Wheezy (11:03):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (11:04):
it was like,

Gino (11:05):
oh yeah.

Spoons (11:06):
yeah,

Wheezy (11:06):
because I was last, was last week, the weekend before
last.
There were floods everywhere.
And then I was like, what hashappened?
Like we went into this amazingbookstore, which also shout out
to full Circle books if you'reever in Oklahoma City.
The coolest bookstore.
I love it.
I think I've decided in my ownbookstore with, if you guys
haven't Heard From Everywhere,I'm opening my own bookstore and
it's very

Gino (11:26):
What?

Wheezy (11:26):
But I think that what, this is the first I've ever
heard of this.
I do wanna get like a map of theUnited States and put on the
wall, and I wanna like put likea, um, my favorite independent
bookstores in every state that

Gino (11:37):
Oh, that's so cute.

Wheezy (11:39):
be like, oh, I'm gonna travel to, you know, Wisconsin,
you know where Gino's from, andthen

Gino (11:44):
Wisconsin.
It's Alaska.
Don't tell the, oh shoot.

Spoons (11:48):
Oh man.
Dang it.
Yeah.
That's a cute idea, Ash.
Oh my gosh.
You

Wheezy (11:51):
Yeah.

Spoons (11:52):
do that.

Wheezy (11:53):
Yeah.
So Full Circle books and hit meup for any other

Spoons (11:57):
Oh,

Wheezy (11:57):
of, what,

Spoons (11:58):
for you, but just gonna

Wheezy (12:00):
what was I doing?

Spoons (12:00):
of,

Wheezy (12:01):
Oh, I was

Gino (12:01):
She was doing lots of, oh, oh.
How is she doing?

Spoons (12:04):
at that bookstore and then

Wheezy (12:06):
It was, I'm sure it was obnoxious too.

Gino (12:08):
I was like, was she just harassing the proprietor?

Wheezy (12:11):
No, I was harassing Kendall.

Spoons (12:12):
so here's what I'm thinking for my bookstore, like
every place we went, I wasloving it.
It was just so fun

Wheezy (12:19):
Literally.

Spoons (12:20):
I was like, what about this?
And it's

Wheezy (12:22):
She's so sweet to say that.

Spoons (12:23):
like all these different like

Wheezy (12:24):
I,

Spoons (12:25):
candles and like little cute

Wheezy (12:27):
I'm trying, I keep, I've been looking, trying to find the
brand that made those crazyones.
There's one that it says, what,what was the candle called?
Something like Mr.
Rochester's house or something.

Spoons (12:37):
had like different I don't remember what it's called,
but this one was, yeah, Mr.
Rochester.
And it was like the ruins of Mr.
Rochester's burned down home andlike the flame is like right in
where the,

Wheezy (12:47):
And the wick of the candle is in the middle of the
burning

Gino (12:50):
Oh my gosh.

Wheezy (12:51):
That was really cool.

Spoons (12:52):
different ones, like Great Gatsby and Anine Gables
and stuff.
It was so fun.
And, but then

Wheezy (12:58):
really cool ones.
It was really, really cool.

Spoons (13:00):
Riley Ru and then, but then when

Wheezy (13:04):
Yeah.
And it's like, this is not howI'm gonna do my kid's section.
No shade.
Full circle books.
But y'all are brave.
Y'all got a ladder in that kidsection?

Spoons (13:11):
7-year-old

Gino (13:12):
Oh,

Wheezy (13:12):
with my kid.
Nope.
And then I was, and then I heardthump and they jumped off like
the eighth rung and I was like,yeah, nope, I don't have that.
I was literally like, I wonderwhat the liability insurance is
like.
Like

Gino (13:25):
it's like the kids' room at my big store is gonna be a
padded room.

Wheezy (13:28):
yeah, for real, honestly.
Honestly, everything's foammattel's soft.
I'm tired of my child injuringhimself.
I just assume they're all likethat.

Spoons (13:38):
can go and just

Gino (13:39):
are.

Spoons (13:39):
hang out, you know?
Like not Absolutely.

Wheezy (13:42):
Yeah.
I did go see, not to just derailand be like, oh, about my
bookstore, but of course that'swhat I'm gonna do because my
brain can only handle like threetopics at once, and this is one
of them right now.

Spoons (13:51):
We've got

Wheezy (13:52):
I did.

Spoons (13:53):
got nothing.
So you've got the most excitingthing.
Probably.
So

Wheezy (13:56):
You have looking like an adorable pirate wave.

Spoons (13:59):
fight behind me at all times.

Gino (14:02):
I, I'm just watching Kaper,

Spoons (14:04):
is a menace.

Gino (14:05):
there's,

Wheezy (14:06):
like Lion King drama going on behind spoons right
now.
Just so you guys can picturethis if you're listening on
audio,

Gino (14:11):
I am king of the table.

Spoons (14:13):
is the B plot going on.

Wheezy (14:14):
it's so cute.

Spoons (14:15):
Calm down.
I don't know what you want.

Wheezy (14:18):
They're like, love to be the most important cat.

Spoons (14:21):
are you?

Wheezy (14:22):
they just wanna have the option to get out.

Spoons (14:23):
like

Gino (14:24):
Same

Spoons (14:24):
you're being so annoying.
Cal.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm so sorry.
Your book story.

Wheezy (14:29):
You're so nice.
But you're being so annoying.
Cal.
Oh, I went to go see, I went togo see this location this
morning.
And it is gorgeous and the ownerseems to really like the idea
and uh, so I startednegotiations.
So the owner, and it's lookinglike this might be the bookshop,
so.
Super exciting.
So I'll have more details foryou guys soon and if you wanna

(14:50):
support me, you can On i fundwomen.com, there is a link to my
crowdfunding campaign and oh,this will be a good time to drop
something that's even more funspecifically

Gino (14:58):
What jaw.
Which jaw?
Which jaw?

Wheezy (15:00):
Because Gino is amazing at events, and if you guys
haven't heard, she is thePlaceless blonde, which is an
event planning a thing of a jig.
And she, she pretty much doesall of our retreats too.
So she's, this is her thing andshe was like, how about, because
I love you so much, Ash.
I'm going to come up with somecool ideas to fundraise for the
bookstore.
And I was like, that's amazing.

(15:21):
You're an angels then fromheaven.
She was like, how about aread-a-thon?
Which I was like, I don't knowhow those work at all, but I
like to read and I like to, Ilike to raise money from my
bookstore, so So we're gonna doa read-a-thon

Gino (15:33):
So what that means for y'all is one, we're doing a
read-a-thon.
That's gonna be a competitionbetween all of Us Podcast ladies
as Tory Siren Studio.
So if you don't listen to,

Wheezy (15:45):
to be on our teams pick my team.
I think we're gonna be the notail felines is currently what
I'm thinking.
I will take name suggestions.

Spoons (15:52):
cat your mascot?
She's such a traitor.

Wheezy (15:55):
I just love that she has no tail Juicy,

Gino (15:58):
so yeah, you'll get to pick which team you support.
We, we still have to come upwith our team names and, um, and
if you have listened to previousepisodes on here or if you
listen to the Script Society,um, she hasn't officially agreed
to it yet, but, um, CatherineCarissa is gonna be part of this
as well.

(16:19):
Um, she's guested on this one aswell.
So between the four of us,between the four of us, you get
to pick a team and we're gonnahave all sorts of fun stuff
going on and you're going toread and, one of us is gonna win
and be crowned the ultimateamazing one.

(16:39):
And the rest of us are gonnahave to write some sort of poem
to their praise or somethingthat we're gonna read out on

Wheezy (16:46):
Yes.
Excellent.

Gino (16:47):
And social medias.

Wheezy (16:49):
talk.
It's gonna be

Gino (16:50):
Oh yeah.

Wheezy (16:51):
Talk

Gino (16:51):
Oh yeah.

Wheezy (16:53):
So highly encouraged.
We do not want

Gino (16:56):
But

Wheezy (16:56):
we don't want good sports here.
We want bad sports only.

Spoons (17:00):
only.
Okay.

Wheezy (17:01):
Yeah.
And whoever, whichever team

Gino (17:03):
that's.

Wheezy (17:04):
wins and all of the winners on the winning team will
get something cool and theymight get an option to like be
put into like a drawing forsomething even cooler.
We're talking about other coolthings so everyone can have fun
and feel like they get somethingawesome out of it.
It's gonna be awesome.
And you'll be supporting anindependent bookstore.
Wouldn't you

Gino (17:19):
So, uh, stay tuned on our socials and website and more
details.
We'll be coming about thatshortly because we're gonna
start it on August 1st.
So keep an eye out.

Wheezy (17:29):
yeah.
Two weeks.
And I guess,'cause also this ispromo corner.
We also have a couple spots leftfor the fall riding retreat.
So if you're thinking about it,we have a few spots left and
that's it.
So would love to get it totallyfilled up to the tippy top.

Gino (17:42):
Oh yeah.
And 20 minutes late if you don'twanna hear any of this.
Look to the skip notes.

Spoons (17:46):
if

Wheezy (17:46):
Yeah,

Spoons (17:47):
like, you know, it's like, I'm sorry, this,

Wheezy (17:50):
it's, I feel like it's only the Episode.
They're the ones who areconfused.
Everyone else

Spoons (17:55):
You know, just be ready.
So

Gino (17:57):
also, I'm,

Wheezy (17:58):
it's, it's been bothering me like that we do, we
not like have like a name forlike the listener.
We just say the listeners.
But like, is it the clubmembers?
Is it like, what do you

Gino (18:06):
Teapots.

Wheezy (18:08):
Oh, that's cute.

Spoons (18:09):
what

Wheezy (18:09):
teapots, the teapot

Gino (18:11):
Just

Wheezy (18:12):
Maybe not the teapots,

Gino (18:14):
some of them maybe.

Wheezy (18:15):
the tea

Gino (18:16):
I dunno.

Wheezy (18:17):
I don't

Gino (18:17):
I dunno.
What do you send us?
Send us a message.
I'll

Wheezy (18:21):
pretentious just did like,

Gino (18:23):
get in our dms,

Wheezy (18:25):
just the pretentious and then it's just like as like a
No,

Spoons (18:28):
it's a capital

Gino (18:29):
huh?
Maybe.

Wheezy (18:30):
pretentious, like yeah, a capital P like for the whole
group.

Spoons (18:35):
I love that.

Wheezy (18:36):
Oh my goodness.

Spoons (18:37):
just close the door,

Wheezy (18:38):
They're really sweet.
Patience and patient tolerablelisteners.

Spoons (18:43):
they could be dear listeners

Wheezy (18:45):
ideas, we'll, we'll take ideas dear listeners.
We do say that.
Well, mostly you say that'causeyou're cute.

Spoons (18:50):
him you know, what does Jane say?
Anyway, what year was Jane Airout?

Wheezy (18:56):
Something like that.

Spoons (18:57):
because I was thinking about this and I was like, are
these contemporaries?
Yes,

Wheezy (19:01):
Oh, Willie Collins, the author of today's book, which
we're discussing, the Woman inWhite today, in case anyone was
wondering

Gino (19:07):
The woman in white.

Wheezy (19:09):
White, you may ask.
Oh, well you

Gino (19:11):
It's a 26.

Spoons (19:13):
It's very long.

Wheezy (19:14):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
very long.
And And who, who You may asksuggested that we read this book
Of the three of us.
Hmm.

Spoons (19:22):
Oh, it was me.

Wheezy (19:23):
I wonder who it was.

Gino (19:24):
It was this one.
Oh, Levi, it's Levi.

Spoons (19:27):
Well, of course it was me.

Wheezy (19:29):
Yeah, it was spoons.

Spoons (19:31):
explain during

Wheezy (19:32):
Well, of course

Spoons (19:33):
I guess I'll explain.

Gino (19:35):
That's okay.
'cause I have things to say.

Wheezy (19:37):
I also do, it was really long, but it was, it was good.
And also, so just that forcontext, minus 671 pages long.

Gino (19:45):
Good Gord.

Wheezy (19:46):
That's a lot.

Gino (19:47):
I'm glad we did this before the read-a-thon because I
would've gotten exactly one bookread the month of August.

Spoons (19:53):
yeah.

Wheezy (19:54):
know.

Spoons (19:55):
Yeah.
Maybe the goal is

Gino (19:57):
I already,

Wheezy (19:58):
I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna do like a Hank the cow dog
binge

Gino (20:01):
I was gonna say, I already told,

Spoons (20:03):
like,

Gino (20:04):
I already told Wheezy.
I already told Wheezy I wasreading Rainbow Fish.

Wheezy (20:08):
Mm-hmm.
Sounds good to me.
If it counts my

Gino (20:12):
I'm gonna,

Wheezy (20:12):
like me.
I dunno if y'all can see hismouth is wide open to catch all
of the spiders in flies.

Spoons (20:20):
building a web currently in that mouth.

Wheezy (20:23):
Yeah, currently.

Gino (20:24):
I'm gonna interrupt your train of thought about the book
to talk about our drink since weintroduced the book.
Um, this, this milk here that I,

Wheezy (20:33):
Mine

Gino (20:33):
it's not, it's yours is prettier.

Wheezy (20:36):
mine's looking milkier now, but it wasn't, mine had
like a beautiful, it was like asort of amber, dark amber with
like a little foam line of whiteon top.

Gino (20:46):
Mine just straight up looks like milk.
And I don't drink milk and I'mterrified and I haven't tried it
yet.

Wheezy (20:52):
Exactly.
And I did my thing where I likesort of followed the recipe.

Gino (20:55):
Shocking.

Wheezy (20:56):
Don't you love this thing that we do where I
actually don't do it.
follow the rules Any week.

Gino (21:02):
Oh Lord, Levi just knocked over a glass of water onto
everything.

Wheezy (21:06):
Levi?

Gino (21:07):
water.

Wheezy (21:08):
Levi.

Gino (21:09):
you thought your cats were gonna be the chaotic ones?
Oh,

Spoons (21:12):
both just standing outside the door waiting be let
in.
no, you've already, you'veruined it.
Okay.

Gino (21:18):
But this this drink is called the White Lady.
And it is gin triple sack ororange liqueur, lemon juice and
egg white.
And I've been so terrified of itbecause of the egg white, and I
don't know why, but I am, and Ihaven't drank it yet.
And also, one more random sidecomment, if you watch this on

(21:41):
YouTube, instead of justlistening to it, I have realized
that I make weird faces thewhole time.
Anytime I catch myself and likethe video, I'm just like, eh,
like, um, so yeah, but

Wheezy (21:53):
It'll

Gino (21:53):
you already,

Wheezy (21:54):
I realize

Gino (21:55):
you.

Wheezy (21:55):
eyes opens way bigger than the other one, so that's
really fun.
You'll catch it now if you look,I'm sure if you haven't already
noticed.
But yeah, mine is very, my drinkis, I actually followed
everything except I did not haveorange liqueur triple sex.
So I used current laur, blackcurrent liqueur because I
thought the black current madeit kind of mysterious and dark.
And also currents are like, likea more like English fruit.

(22:16):
And I love currents.
It's pretty decent, I'll say.
It does.
It has like a kind of likeraisin ish taste, which is not
my usual, like

Spoons (22:23):
Interesting.

Wheezy (22:24):
fan, but it's weird.

Gino (22:25):
Okay.
I am going for it.

Wheezy (22:27):
Yeah, I wanna, yours is probably better'cause the
orange,

Spoons (22:29):
You

Wheezy (22:30):
I'm assuming you can't taste the egg white.
Egg whites don't have flavor.
That's how she looks every timeshe tries a drink.

Spoons (22:36):
it doesn't have Grenadine in it, so she probably
hates it.

Gino (22:38):
That's exactly the issue.

Wheezy (22:40):
That's Is.
You're so correct.

Gino (22:42):
something's really strong in it, although I did spill the
triple sex, so it might be that,

Spoons (22:46):
it's that.

Wheezy (22:47):
Something's really strong.

Gino (22:49):
I don't know.
I wouldn't drink it again.
I'd give it, um, like one pinkyup if that

Wheezy (22:54):
I would drink mine again.
Maybe it's the current, I don'tknow.
I would totally

Gino (22:58):
you.

Wheezy (22:58):
again.

Spoons (22:59):
yeah.

Wheezy (23:00):
like I, like you guys, don't get to see,'cause it's,
it's been sitting for a minute.
So the egg whites have been likefiltering down, but it really
was for like a good like 30minutes, like a really pretty
like defined layer of likefluffy egg, egg whites and then
like the kind of like dark, Itook pictures so I'll post
pictures of what it looked like,but it looked pretty

Spoons (23:18):
maybe

Wheezy (23:18):
mysterious.

Spoons (23:19):
little teacups.
If you feel like do it.

Wheezy (23:22):
Little

Gino (23:22):
Oh yeah.

Wheezy (23:24):
that's so freaking cute.
All you little teacups outthere.
Oh, does that make us like themama teapots?
Like in Beauty and the beast?

Spoons (23:31):
Oh my

Gino (23:31):
Yeah.

Spoons (23:32):
I'm a little teapot.

Wheezy (23:34):
Precious.

Gino (23:36):
So yeah, back to Wilke Collins.
I have thoughts on him too.

Spoons (23:41):
are we doing, should we do first

Wheezy (23:43):
first impressions?

Spoons (23:44):
Yeah.

Gino (23:45):
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Wheezy (23:47):
Yeah,

Spoons (23:47):
Should I go first and,

Wheezy (23:49):
my first impression,

Spoons (23:51):
Go ahead.

Wheezy (23:51):
I'm the main character here, obviously.
It's I thought, wow, cool.
I love like a ghostly woman inwhite, sort of like spooky vibe.
And that was my first impressionpretty much immediately followed
by Holy f.
That's a really big book.
that was, that was it.

Gino (24:10):
Yeah, my first impression was you were like, do you wanna
be involved in this?
'cause it's a classic and Iusually skip those.
And I was like, yeah.
And then I went out to mylibrary app and it was like,
here's the audiobook, it's 26hours.
And I went fudge.

Wheezy (24:28):
What did I do?

Spoons (24:29):
dang it.
I already committed.

Wheezy (24:31):
Oh my goodness.
Oh,

Gino (24:33):
I did literally think about texting back and be like,
actually

Wheezy (24:37):
actually on second thought I looked at this and No,

Gino (24:40):
good.

Wheezy (24:41):
insane.
And we're also sort of doublingup on recording based on like
what we've been doing.
'cause we're recording againnext week.
So I have a whole other book tostart that's not short.
And I'm excited about it and Ithink it's gonna feel easier,
but

Gino (24:53):
Yeah.

Wheezy (24:54):
we used to do a whole, a whole last book a week,

Spoons (24:57):
like this big and then another one

Wheezy (24:58):
we did that for a a long time.

Spoons (25:01):
It was

Wheezy (25:01):
Yeah.
It was consistent.

Gino (25:04):
Yeah.
I don't know.
Y'all are crazy.

Wheezy (25:06):
I don't know.

Spoons (25:07):
days.

Wheezy (25:08):
I dunno.
Yeah.
Yeah.
When we were young and crazy.

Spoons (25:11):
Well, my first impression was

Gino (25:13):
Little whipper snappers.

Spoons (25:15):
had seen it in specifically half price books,
but also Birds and Noblewherever, like for years and
years and always been like, Ooh,I kind of wanna see what that's
about.

Wheezy (25:25):
you'll see it in my bookstore.

Spoons (25:27):
the story emporium.
But I was always like.
That looks kind of cool, likemaybe I'll read that.
And then I never did, obviously,but then when we were like, pick
a classic

Wheezy (25:37):
Your cover's really nice.

Spoons (25:39):
I know one because I don't know that I'll read it on
on my own, but I always likewanted to read it.
So that's why.
But I also always thought, Ooh,spooky.
Maybe it'll be interesting.

Wheezy (25:47):
So is that how you pick classics for us?
You're like, I don't wannaactually read it by myself, but
maybe if someone else goes onthis journey with me, but it's
not good enough that I'll readon my own.

Spoons (25:56):
it and I'm on my third read, you know, so it's either
that or,

Wheezy (26:00):
That's true.
is so true.

Spoons (26:03):
but

Wheezy (26:03):
You're either extremely confident about it or you're
like, ah, this, this could befun.
I don't know anything about it.

Spoons (26:08):
so it wasn't

Wheezy (26:09):
That's fun.

Spoons (26:09):
I thought it was gonna be.

Wheezy (26:11):
Well, you got the really pretty cover and I got mine off
thrift books, which I do love,but it's always like hit or miss
with like, is there gonna be acool cover or not?
And I got a cover that's notlike really cringe, but it's not
like really cool.

Gino (26:24):
Yeah, your cover's much better than any.
I saw spins.

Spoons (26:27):
from

Wheezy (26:28):
Yeah.
Uh, yeah, hers is really pretty.
I,

Spoons (26:29):
like, Ooh, I want that one.

Wheezy (26:31):
it's like a, a silhouette in all white of a
woman holding out her beautifulskirts on her dress.

Spoons (26:37):
and then at the exact same Half Price Books Trip, I
bought The Woman in Black, whichis that movie that they made the
Daniel Radcliffe forum or thatbook, they made the Daniel
Radcliffe Horror movie out I

Gino (26:49):
Yeah.

Spoons (26:50):
a book.
And so

Wheezy (26:51):
that's actually,

Spoons (26:52):
time and the

Wheezy (26:53):
that's interesting.

Spoons (26:55):
of them.

Wheezy (26:55):
Did have you read it?

Spoons (26:57):
for me.
Well, after our other book,

Wheezy (26:59):
Hmm.

Spoons (26:59):
looked at both of'em and was like just doing the whole
set.
Huh?
I was like, yeah.
Yeah, I am.
Thank you.

Wheezy (27:06):
That is so funny.
I'm convinced that like,bookstore employees are either
like, the most, like well-spokenbunch you'll ever meet, or
they're so awkward they can'thold a conversation with you and
they don't really have anyinterest in trying and they're,
I've never met someone who's inthe middle.
It's like

Gino (27:20):
I,

Wheezy (27:21):
one or the other.

Gino (27:22):
I forgot that, um, that was part of my first impression
when you're like the woman inwhite.
I thought of the woman in blackbecause I, that's actually like
one of the only horror movies Iactually like.

Spoons (27:33):
creepy.

Wheezy (27:34):
one of the first ones I ever actually wanted to see, and
I still haven't seen it, but Ialways really liked the vibe.

Spoons (27:39):
in high school and the movie theater, I was like, oh my
God.
I had like nightmares about herstanding in the corner of my
room and then I found outeveryone thinks it's not even a
good movie, and I was like,well, it made a big impact on
me.

Wheezy (27:51):
Aw.

Gino (27:52):
really I love, like, it's, it's one of my, the only horror
movies I actually like, but Isaw it in the theater.
It was me and my one friend, andthen there were two other girls
and that's it.
That was the whole theater.
And like when we were leaving.
The other two girls walked outin front of us and we walked out
behind them, and my friend threwher popcorn bucket in the trash,

(28:13):
and it like, kind of made abang.
And they, the girls in front ofus were like, oh my gosh.

Spoons (28:17):
They were spooked.

Wheezy (28:18):
good.

Spoons (28:19):
That's hilarious.
Well, I like it too, Gino, soeveryone else is wrong.
It's we're correct.
But

Gino (28:26):
Yeah,

Wheezy (28:26):
I'll

Gino (28:26):
yeah, yeah,

Spoons (28:28):
I'll

Gino (28:28):
yeah,

Spoons (28:29):
I'll read the book and I'll tell you how

Gino (28:30):
yeah.

Spoons (28:31):
and then we can, maybe we'll read it.

Wheezy (28:33):
Oh sweet.
Excellent.
Sounds great.
Okay.
Wilkie Collins, uh, Gino, yousaid you had opinions about him.

Gino (28:39):
Oh yeah.
But you should probably talkabout him first.
I had to look him up after like,the first one or two chapters of
the book to be like,

Spoons (28:47):
what's your deal?

Gino (28:48):
Yes, yes, yes.
The, the main thing to beginwith was like, is this guy super
sexist or is this like a joke?
I don't understand.

Wheezy (29:00):
that was like one

Gino (29:01):
I was like,

Wheezy (29:02):
I said,

Gino (29:03):
I was like, I don't

Spoons (29:04):
look it up.
So if,

Wheezy (29:06):
and the whole book I would kept changing my mind, the

Gino (29:09):
the same,

Spoons (29:10):
so

Wheezy (29:10):
I can't

Gino (29:11):
but, but what I looked up, but I looked up was basically
the same thing.
Like there's very polarizedviews throughout

Spoons (29:19):
Really.

Gino (29:20):
research and everything ever.
Like half the people are like.
He was actually a super feministbecause of these things and this
and this and the other peopleare like, nah, man was trash.
Like,

Spoons (29:31):
I

Wheezy (29:31):
Wow.

Spoons (29:32):
that actually, because I was

Wheezy (29:33):
Well, he has,

Spoons (29:34):
I was, couldn't figure it out.

Wheezy (29:36):
I, I will say over, just like a brief scan of his bio is
enough to be like, what aninteresting human this is.

Gino (29:43):
well,

Wheezy (29:44):
just Wilke Collins, first of all, I want y'all to
know that when I Googled WilkeCollins Zodiac sign, like the
first hits were Wilke Collins,Zodiac Killer, Wilke Collins
Zodiac Serial Killer, and I waslike.

Spoons (29:58):
Like, I don't

Wheezy (29:58):
What, is happening?

Spoons (30:00):
the right guy.

Wheezy (30:02):
I don't think so.
No.
Would anyone like to guess whathis actual Zodiac sign is?

Spoons (30:08):
because I looked it

Gino (30:09):
I know what it is.

Spoons (30:10):
He's a

Wheezy (30:10):
Oh,

Gino (30:11):
Yeah,

Wheezy (30:12):
he is.
He's

Gino (30:12):
I knew that

Wheezy (30:13):
He

Spoons (30:14):
he wasn't really sexist.
I guess it depends on what youare thinking at the time, but
yeah, I think he's a goodwriter.
So one for the caps, boom.

Wheezy (30:24):
Boom.
All right.
See, so, um, I'm trying tofigure, so where is it when he,
why can't I find the date wherehe was

Gino (30:30):
I,

Wheezy (30:30):
I'll find it.

Gino (30:31):
I know that

Wheezy (30:32):
Yeah.

Spoons (30:33):
England.

Gino (30:34):
24

Spoons (30:35):
September

Wheezy (30:36):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (30:37):
1889, right there, right.

Wheezy (30:40):
Yeah.

Gino (30:40):
so.

Spoons (30:41):
the kid died, didn't it?

Wheezy (30:42):
His name is

Spoons (30:43):
sorry, go ahead.

Wheezy (30:44):
of course you relate everything to when to Billy.
The kids like life milestones.

Spoons (30:49):
20 years before Billy.

Wheezy (30:50):
I know it is.
You were literally like at the,we were talking about what was
it something, and you were like,did you know all this was
happening?
Billy, the kid was doing X, Y, Zand I was like, oh my God.

Spoons (31:00):
oh,

Wheezy (31:00):
She's like, isn't that crazy?
And I was like, yes.

Spoons (31:03):
na, the Cowboy Museum, I also was like, Ash, this is when
a woman in white was written.
And you're like, okay.
Like it was like some gun or

Wheezy (31:11):
for real.
You were like, this washappening at the same time?
Yeah, like, or like shoes.
I think it was like moccasins.
We were looking at moccasins andyou were like, they were wearing
these when Wilkie wrote thisbook.
And I was like, wow.

Spoons (31:25):
well my,

Wheezy (31:26):
it was cool.
It is cool to like,'cause youdefinitely, I definitely
separate them in my head.
Yeah.
It is interesting to rememberlike this was all happening at
the same time.

Spoons (31:33):
child was wearing those cool ass moccasins while Wilkie
was over here.
Maybe being sexist.
You know, it's very interesting.
Like

Wheezy (31:40):
Being being who knows, being questionable.

Gino (31:43):
not.
What I do know he was doing wasbeing friends with Dickens,
though.
So

Wheezy (31:48):
he,

Gino (31:49):
yeah, he was like,

Wheezy (31:51):
was a bad influence.
I'm convinced maybe he was thebad influence

Spoons (31:54):
liked

Wheezy (31:55):
Dickens.

Gino (31:55):
was,

Spoons (31:56):
Dickens, it seems like he didn't like a lot of people
back.
So I'm kind of like, that's sofun that they were friends.

Wheezy (32:02):
I wonder why.

Spoons (32:03):
But you can kind of tell

Wheezy (32:04):
Well, I'm just saying that

Spoons (32:06):
think there's an influence.

Wheezy (32:07):
Willie had long-term relationships with two women
that he wasn't officiallymarried, but basically
polyamorous situation

Gino (32:15):
mean, haven't we all,

Spoons (32:16):
okay.
Wilkie.

Wheezy (32:18):
mean, what do y'all think this podcast is?

Spoons (32:20):
A rele like, oh,

Wheezy (32:22):
Yeah.
Well and in, in case anyone waswondering'cause I had been.
Wilkie is a nickname forWilliams is, or William.
His name is William Collins.

Gino (32:30):
Was not wondering.
I just 100% thought Wilkie washis name.

Spoons (32:34):
Like, I don't know, some

Wheezy (32:35):
Wilke, I thought Wilke Iss a really cute little
nickname.

Spoons (32:38):
that.

Wheezy (32:38):
Well, it's so much better than like Bill or Billy
for William

Spoons (32:42):
Billy's disgusting.

Wheezy (32:44):
What if it was Wilke the Kid instead of Billy the kid?

Spoons (32:46):
Stop it.
Don't threaten me with a good

Wheezy (32:49):
Wilky the kid.
Is that of Billy the kid?
Adorable Little Wilkie.
Only his mom called him Wilkie.
Just everyone else called himBilly.
'cause I didn't understand them.

Spoons (32:57):
Canon accepted,

Wheezy (32:58):
mm-hmm.

Spoons (32:59):
I

Wheezy (32:59):
You're so welcome for that.

Spoons (33:00):
One of the things that was like, okay, yeah, I can see
the Dickens correlation.
is very good at namingcharacters.
I think all these names wereexcellent.
I was like, and Dickens is goodat it too.
And really in like Count Foco, Iwas like, now this is a
character.
You know, like we got acharacter on our hands.

Wheezy (33:18):
he was a character.

Gino (33:20):
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.

Wheezy (33:22):
Also, uh, what was his name?
Because I only'cause I mostlylisten to the audiobook.
Is it Pesca or, or Pascal.
What was,

Gino (33:28):
Pesca,

Wheezy (33:28):
Italian?

Spoons (33:29):
I loved

Gino (33:29):
Pesca

Wheezy (33:30):
Yeah, him too.
I was like, I like him.

Gino (33:32):
Beach.

Wheezy (33:33):
And here's one of the funniest things I've ever heard
in my life.
So just to bring it back toWilkie, so I'm trying to tell
you guys a little bit about hisearly life.
Um, just during his lifetime, hewrote more than 30 books mo over
a hundred articles, shortstories, essays, and a dozen or
more plays.
I can see that for him.
This is a quote from Wilkecollins.info, which is, he lived

(33:54):
in unconventional bohemianlifestyle, loved good food and
wine to excess, wore flamboyantclothes, traveled abroad
frequently, formed two long-termrelationships with women, but
married neither, and took vastquantities of opium over many
years to relieve the symptoms ofill health.
Of course, I might beeditorializing this quote a
little bit, but

Gino (34:13):
I mean, who hasn't again?

Spoons (34:15):
us.
You know?

Wheezy (34:16):
you're like, and, and,

Spoons (34:18):
That's crazy.

Wheezy (34:19):
Let's see.
And he, so he traveled aroundeven from like a young age like
France and Italy and such, butof course was born in England.
Uh, he went to boarding schoolin England and it was there that
quote, he began his career as astoryteller to appease the
dormitory bully.
That's never been said.
What the bully's like, I'm gonnasteal your lunch money unless

(34:40):
you tell me a really good story.

Spoons (34:42):
That's

Gino (34:42):
love this bully.

Wheezy (34:44):
I'm like, what kind of, what is this?
later he recalled, I don't know,apparently this is Wilkes quote
about it was, it was this bruwho first awakened in me, his
poor little victim, a power ofwhich, but for him, I might
never have been aware.
just, I don't know.
I don't think Wilke and Iwould've been friends, you know,

Spoons (35:01):
just

Wheezy (35:02):
I just,

Gino (35:02):
I mean, as soon as, as soon as I knew he was friends
with Dickens, I was like, yeah,Weezys not gonna

Spoons (35:09):
It's,

Wheezy (35:10):
Sure enough, and I didn't even know.
But yeah, you're right.
I wouldn't, like, I wouldn'thave liked either of'em.

Gino (35:15):
Exactly.

Wheezy (35:16):
I already didn't like em, but it just makes sense.
Just all the pieces fittogether.
Oh.
So he was a very tiny littledude.
He was only five feet, sixinches tall, but with a, with
quote, disproportionately largehead and shoulders and very
small hands and feet.
He's just a funny, cute

Gino (35:31):
okay.

Wheezy (35:32):
And he had glasses.
He was just a cute little nerdyboy.
Just a cute little goober.
And apparently still doingreally well with the women.
I mean,

Spoons (35:41):
he has his little stories to

Wheezy (35:43):
that's, well, when you are really good at telling
stories, yeah.
You can fend off bullies.
Attract women may never letsomebody underestimate the power
of storytelling, of delusions.

Spoons (35:54):
so hard.

Wheezy (35:56):
Let's see.
It was so hard in 1841, he leftschool and was apprenticed to
the T merchants or to to tmerchants, whose names I don't
wanna pronounce.
God, he's so dramatic.
The place was in the strand andhe referred to working for them
as quote the prison on thestrand.
mean, come Wilke.
You're fine.

Spoons (36:14):
workhouses

Wheezy (36:15):
God.

Spoons (36:16):
You can deal with this.

Wheezy (36:17):
Yeah, exactly.
What the heck?
Anyways, he's, he's actuallymost well known for the
Moonstone, which is a novel thatcame out in 1868 and is
considered like one of the firstdetective novels.
But the Woman in White isanother one that he's well known
for.
And I also felt like this kindof had like, detective novel
vibes.

Spoons (36:35):
I

Wheezy (36:35):
he also wrote No Name and Armadale, but I, I've never
heard of those.

Spoons (36:39):
on shelves a lot.
When I was looking for aphysical copy of this one, it
had to go to like two halfprices.
I was like, oh, maybe I'll readthe moonstone.
Yeah.
I was seeing,

Wheezy (36:48):
is interesting.
So according to Wilkie

Spoons (36:51):
ahead, go ahead.

Gino (36:52):
Can you hear him?
Yeah.
It's Levi.

Spoons (36:55):
him.

Gino (36:55):
I don't know why he's

Spoons (36:56):
baby.

Gino (36:58):
his mind.

Wheezy (36:59):
this

Gino (36:59):
he's outside the door.

Wheezy (37:01):
specifically.
So the supposedly how in thenovel that we're about to
discuss the character, WalterHart Wright, sort of the main
character meets this mysteriouswoman and Wright.
In, in Right in White is said tohave been inspired by a real
life meeting that Wilkie hadwhen he was strolling home.
In 1858, him and his brother,and they ran into this painter,

(37:22):
woman whose name I can'tpronounce.
And basically they said thatquote, they were accosted by a
woman dressed in flowing whiterobes, escaping from a villa in
Regents Park, where she had beenkept prisoner under Mez Mesmeric
influence.
The real life woman in White wasCarolyn Graves, who probably met
Wilkie that spring.
She was a widow originally fromLauer.

(37:44):
I don't know if I said thatcorrectly.
And had a young daughter namedHarriet Elizabeth, usually known
as Carrie, Carolyn, and Wilkie,never married, but lived
together, uh, for the be, forthe be Better part of 30 years.
But had then, I know like what,but also this makes sense to me
that I thought he was kind of inlove with Spoiler.
I feel like he's kind of in lovewith both sisters.

Spoons (38:04):
yeah.

Wheezy (38:04):
1864, Wilkie met the other woman in his life, Martha
Rudd, near her home inWinterton, where she may have
come to work as a maid in hismother's house.
Let's see.
Ooh, gross.
Wilkie had turned 40 whileMartha was just 19.

Spoons (38:18):
That's like Sir Percy stuff.

Wheezy (38:21):
Oh my gosh.
To give their liaison a degreeof respectability, they did not
marry, but they assumed theidentities of Mr.
And Mrs.
William Dawson, the name givento the three children they had
together.
Marian Harriet and CharlieMarian,

Gino (38:36):
Is this just his whole story, this book

Spoons (38:38):
or he named his daughter after his character.
I wanna know.

Wheezy (38:41):
I think daughter after character,

Spoons (38:44):
I have a lot of thoughts on Marian as well.
Thank you.

Wheezy (38:47):
but apparent.
But so Carolyn, the, the firstone, the, the, the act, the
woman in white inspiration inwait, what year is it?
In 1868, she married somebodyelse.
So they're, no, they don't knowwhy.
They don't know if she gave heran ultimatum, like drop the
other hussy or like actuallymarry me or what it was.
But they officially split andshe married somebody else.

(39:09):
And Carrie and Frank Beard werethe witnesses.
While Wilkie cones was himselfpresent at this ceremony of
Carolyn marrying this other dude

Spoons (39:19):
Holy

Wheezy (39:19):
looks like, is what it, that's what it looks like.
I could be wrong,

Spoons (39:23):
drama.

Wheezy (39:24):
but

Gino (39:24):
drama?

Wheezy (39:26):
Carolyn had returned to Chester place and continued to
live with Wilke.

Spoons (39:30):
She came back.

Wheezy (39:30):
What, even though she'd married somebody else until he
died in 1889, then she died in1895 and is buried in the same
grave.

Gino (39:39):
This actually sounds very much like the book, like not
exactly the story, but a lot ofthings click.

Spoons (39:46):
Yeah.

Wheezy (39:46):
Oh my goodness.

Spoons (39:47):
have

Wheezy (39:48):
Well, in 1889, he was involved in an accident and
thrown from a cab because thecollision was so hard.
And then that accident wasfollowed by quote, a severe
attack of bronchitis.
And then he suffered a stroke,and then he died on the 23rd of
September.
That's Javi's birthday.
Interesting.

Spoons (40:06):
Wait, that's crazy.
Wilke.
Oh my god.
So sorry, dude.

Wheezy (40:11):
I mean that's, that's pretty much it.
That's, that's what the WillkieCollins info has to say.
Well, I'm, he our boy?
Is he he's, he's might be.
He's Dickens boy.
And, and Dickens is your boy.
So I guess by proxy

Spoons (40:24):
Dickens

Wheezy (40:24):
your boy.
But he's not my boy.

Spoons (40:26):
like he did way worse stuff.
So I'm kind of like, it'swhatever, you know, but these
Victorians, you just have tokinda take

Wheezy (40:32):
Yep.
God, they're wild.

Gino (40:36):
It is Victorians.

Wheezy (40:38):
They're getting crazy.

Gino (40:39):
Oh, these Victorians.

Wheezy (40:41):
That's so, that's weird.
His life basically just feelslike a novel.
I was thinking, wow, what aninteresting, like mysterious
mind he has.
And I'm like, well, maybe it'sjust a biography.

Spoons (40:50):
they say Right, what you know, you know, he was like,
okay, I will.

Wheezy (40:53):
He is like, boy, oh boy.

Spoons (40:55):
I have a

Wheezy (40:55):
I said, okay, I will.

Spoons (40:57):
and I can do that.

Wheezy (40:58):
I am five foot six and I have a really interesting life.

Spoons (41:01):
do you wanna hear about my

Wheezy (41:02):
Cutie patootie.
That's hilarious.
I mean he, he, you wanna hearhow I defeated my bully with the
power of imagination?

Spoons (41:09):
pen is mightier than the sword.
I'm the first one who ever saidthat?
Wilkey Collins.
Me.

Wheezy (41:15):
Oh my God.

Gino (41:16):
But it's

Wheezy (41:16):
and Collins.
I mean he was There's really no,he must have been adorable.
I don't know how Get away withthis.

Spoons (41:23):
or something.
Yeah.
Like,

Wheezy (41:25):
Yeah,

Gino (41:26):
just like a kid's book though, that just wrote itself,
not the, his whole life, but thelike, I shall defeat my bully
with this fairytale.
Like, yeah, exactly.

Spoons (41:36):
should write a

Wheezy (41:36):
Honestly, it is.
Absolutely.
See I you, that should be yournext children's book.
Gino.
Gino could do it.
She writes

Gino (41:42):
Done.

Spoons (41:42):
that.

Gino (41:43):
I shall do it.

Spoons (41:44):
Oh, Wilky

Wheezy (41:45):
for context, if anyone's wondering.
I think my brother's five footsix, but I wouldn't say that my
brother's head is unnec likethat.
It's particularly large for hisbody.
I don't think anyone's, and hegot lasik, so he doesn't have
spectacles anymore.
So you

Gino (41:59):
is like, just in case anyone was comparing my brother,
who you don't know

Wheezy (42:03):
Wil

Gino (42:03):
Toki.

Wheezy (42:03):
you don't know to Wilke Collins.
Well, I'm just thinking like,'cause when you see on paper
like five foot six for a guy,you're like, wow, what a cute
little tiny king.
But then when I think about itand I'm like, well, my brother's
five foot six and he's tallerthan me.
And I've never like been like,wow, he's so tiny.

Gino (42:17):
Yeah.
You kept saying Tiny King.
I was like, it's not that short.

Wheezy (42:21):
No.
That's why I was like, well,maybe it's not that short.
I just, on paper it looks short,but then I'm like in person.
It's not, and also I'vedefinitely had like a hard crush
on someone who was maybe fivefoot five

Spoons (42:31):
mean,

Wheezy (42:32):
like, and it, I didn't think he was short either.

Spoons (42:35):
like

Gino (42:36):
It is.

Wheezy (42:37):
That's exactly accurate.

Spoons (42:38):
it's like, okay, probably half the guys were
five, six.
You know, we've gotten a lottaller in the last years,

Wheezy (42:44):
That's true.

Spoons (42:45):
Let, should we talk about

Wheezy (42:47):
Those, it's those good old American hamburgers.

Spoons (42:49):
These guys were Nu nutrition deprived.
so

Wheezy (42:53):
Probably

Spoons (42:54):
the woman in

Wheezy (42:55):
I also morals deprived, but whatever.

Spoons (42:58):
spooky ghost story as a thought based on the cover, but
it's really more of a sensationnovel slash detective novel
slash really long.
So it's kind of about I meanguy, his name is Walter Hart,
right?
He is a drawing instructor B andhe is really good at art and his

(43:21):
BFF is this Italian guy namedPesca.
And

Wheezy (43:25):
Okay.
I just, real quick, I have tojust interrupt because the, he's
a drawing instructor.
My reaction to he's a drawinginstructor was the same as that
comedian you and I were talkingabout, about the, she does the
German mom bits and she's like,you on love, he's a painter.

Gino (43:41):
I know her.

Wheezy (43:42):
I know, right?
She's so good.
But I was like, he's a drawinginstructor.

Spoons (43:46):
Laura.
He's a drawing instructor.

Wheezy (43:48):
Yeah.

Spoons (43:49):
God.

Wheezy (43:50):
Ah, Laura.
That was honestly, I was like,wow, I'm not, I'm like, I'm no
fun.
Sometimes like I hear it myself,but I was like a drawing
instructor.
What kind of career is that?
Like

Spoons (44:01):
like Baron.
Okay.
Like, this guy has no money.
Okay.

Wheezy (44:06):
that's, I, I, I was, I one is a career, you know, sort
of,

Spoons (44:11):
What?

Wheezy (44:12):
no, he was also horrible.
I was just like, stay away fromboth of them.
But it was just really funny.
And then like, his mom was soproud of him for being, and I
was like, did you never tellyour son?
The drawing instructor is not ajob.
I mean, it's, but like, God, youhave to be, I guess things were
different.
I just, I guess it's like beingan art teacher, but like, we
don't, there aren't privatefamilies who are like, we want a

(44:34):
drawing tutor to come teach ourchildren.
And he is like, I'm gonna basemy whole career on this.

Spoons (44:40):
they were patrons of the arts.
You know, the Victorians atleast knew how to do that.
You know, you can't even be adrawing instructor

Wheezy (44:47):
Yeah.

Spoons (44:48):
You can't, you can't even

Wheezy (44:50):
Ah,

Spoons (44:50):
sketches and make a living out of it, like, what's

Wheezy (44:53):
Hilarious.

Spoons (44:54):
this world coming to?
But yeah, he, he he's all right.
I don't know.
Walter's fine, I guess.
He's funny.

Gino (45:01):
He exists.

Spoons (45:02):
so his best friend is this Italian guy who, is also a
teacher

Wheezy (45:07):
It is adorable.

Spoons (45:08):
But basically he's like, will do anything for you because
one time you saved my life atthe beach.
And Walter's like, it was reallylike not a big deal.
And he's like, I owe you mylife.
And he's like, okay.
And so he is like, so I got youa job at this weird

Wheezy (45:22):
Everything he does is so dramatic.
It felt really real.
I was like on, he was honestlynicer than any of the Italian
men I've ever met, but the levelof the drama, I was like, yeah,
that's right.
He like leaps up onto a chair tojust explain something to
people, and I'm like, I,

Spoons (45:37):
Walter's sister was like, Ew,

Wheezy (45:38):
yeah.

Gino (45:39):
Accurate.

Wheezy (45:40):
He's so not into him.
She's like, your friend is soweird.
Tell him to stop jumping on thefurniture.
God, stop bringing your friendsover here, your weird teacher
friends.
go get a real jump.

Spoons (45:52):
job in addition to the, like.
Is he sexist?
It's very much a thing of like,why do Victorians and Wilkie,
I'm including you in thisbecause you did this in this
book.
Why are they so obsessed withlike, oh, they're a foreigner.
You know?
It's like, oh, you can't even,oh, they're a little foreign
ways.
They're so weird and Italian.
Like,

Wheezy (46:12):
I know they do.

Spoons (46:13):
calm down.
Okay.
Brits are so

Gino (46:16):
It's such a British thing, I think.

Spoons (46:18):
thing.
I'm so sorry.
Like, and Ash reminded me thisweekend, so many of our

Wheezy (46:23):
Okay.

Spoons (46:23):
teacups are British and I am sorry, and I'm not talking
about you.
You are perfect.

Wheezy (46:29):
many British teacups, so many British and French te cup.

Spoons (46:33):
just be

Wheezy (46:35):
Listen, we know you're too good for us.
Part of this is perhaps, say, aninferiority complex except for
the people that spoons genuinelyhates.

Spoons (46:43):
I love all the British teacups.
I, um, ha I question Wilkesxenophobia perhaps, but I feel
like maybe he was normal aboutit, but he was writing to an
audience that was like foreign,so he had to be like, no, but
they're nice, you know?
That's kind of

Wheezy (46:59):
Yeah.
And his bio did say like, hetraveled quite a bit in his
youth.
Like he traveled.
I mean, I guess they, it said hetraveled his whole life, but
even started in his youth.
So he probably wasn't thatxenophobic because he traveled
so much, particularly to likeItaly

Spoons (47:13):
Yeah,

Wheezy (47:14):
France.
But

Gino (47:15):
That's so much of this book.
You're like, which side are youon?
Like half of his characters arelike, oh, foreigners.
And then the other half arelike, be nice to them.
Foreigners are people too.

Wheezy (47:26):
like, this woman is so competent.
And

Gino (47:29):
yeah.

Wheezy (47:29):
I'm just a woman.
And you're like, Wilke, you'reall over the map bud.

Gino (47:33):
Oh my gosh.

Spoons (47:35):
genuinely,

Gino (47:36):
I don't wanna jump ahead, but as soon as we get there.

Spoons (47:39):
Okay, so I'll, I'll just skip ahead.
But basically, Walter goes towork at Pescos, like
recommendation at this placecalled Ridge House, where there
are these two daughters, or twolike young ladies who are like
in need of a drawing instructor.
And he gets there and he's like,this is great.
And then he meets one of theladies and he's like, Ooh, what

(47:59):
that hot, bad do from across theroom?
And then she

Wheezy (48:02):
She is got a rocking bod.
For real.

Spoons (48:05):
he's like, Aw, she's ugly.
And then,

Wheezy (48:08):
It's exactly right.

Spoons (48:10):
then they

Wheezy (48:11):
right.

Spoons (48:12):
and her name is Marian.

Wheezy (48:13):
like a good, it must be like two or three

Gino (48:15):
But

Wheezy (48:16):
explaining how ugly she is.

Gino (48:18):
I cannot get this scene out of my head because she
literally walks up and she'slike, oh, you're the new drawing
instructor.
It's so nice that you're herebecause it's just been us HA
house of women and you know howwomen are.
We just fight amongst ourselvesif we're together because women
are horrible.
And, you know, women can't dothis and women can't do this.
And I hate women myself.
You know, if I wasn't one, if Ididn't have the tragedy of

(48:40):
having to be a woman, like, andI was like,

Wheezy (48:43):
me energy

Gino (48:44):
what?

Wheezy (48:44):
But then she's, but her character isn't, of

Gino (48:46):
What?

Spoons (48:47):
crazy.

Gino (48:48):
She's, so

Wheezy (48:49):
heart writes like, wow, she's pretty harsh upon women.
And you're like, Wilkie, writingthis

Spoons (48:55):
I was like, do you?

Gino (48:55):
yeah.
That's when I had to look it up

Spoons (48:58):
what is happening?

Gino (48:59):
because

Spoons (49:00):
And it's so,

Gino (49:01):
I think I wrote down the exact quote, but I might not

Spoons (49:04):
oh no, it's

Gino (49:05):
continue.

Spoons (49:06):
to completely.
I

Wheezy (49:07):
Mary.
Throughout the book, she says,she'll just like repeatedly say
she, honestly, she's like theHermione of this book.
She's the one who keepseverybody like on track and
makes things happen.
But she, she's just constantlylike, God, I wish I wasn't a
woman.
I'm so dumb.
And that you're like,

Spoons (49:22):
you are the most competent person

Wheezy (49:24):
you are the most competent person in this book.
This is a joke, right?
Like,

Gino (49:27):
Okay.
I have two quotes that I wannashare real quick just to show
the juxtaposition of the waywomen are written in this book,
because,

Wheezy (49:37):
yes.

Gino (49:38):
Oh wait, no.
Oh, nevermind.
These aren't juxtaposing,they're just two quotes about
the, that the women say though.
But yeah, that first likeinteraction with her was so
insane.
She was like, oh, I absolutelyam appalled that I have to be a
woman, but I am.

Spoons (49:55):
I was like, girl.

Wheezy (49:56):
And it just sets the tone.

Spoons (49:58):
really is like, well,

Wheezy (49:59):
It's so weird.

Spoons (50:01):
are because I'm a woman.
Of course, but, and I'm like,girl, like, you don't have to
say that to him.
This

Wheezy (50:07):
Frankly, I don't see any weaknesses.
I don't think she has any.
No.

Spoons (50:12):
person

Wheezy (50:13):
like, just so you know, we're on the same page.
You, you hate women.
is.
She is.
is.
Never, she doesn't have anyflaws.
Also, like women fight amongstourselves.
I'm like, I don't believe you'veever fought,

Spoons (50:24):
no,

Wheezy (50:25):
with your what half sister?

Gino (50:27):
I know.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
I.

Spoons (50:29):
each

Wheezy (50:29):
What, know, women,

Spoons (50:31):
of course, Mr.
Hot.
Right?
He

Wheezy (50:32):
they do.

Spoons (50:33):
women are so weak minded, but that's why must have
the mish.
And I was like,

Wheezy (50:39):
of course I have not the good fortune to be beautiful.
And you're like, shut up.

Spoons (50:43):
might have been thinking that, but you don't need to
validate

Wheezy (50:45):
Like, what?

Spoons (50:46):
Like, you gorgeous.
In my eyes, Marian,

Wheezy (50:49):
Come on, rude.
We, we, one of the first thingsthat I said about this book when
I started reading it was, man,the way that people used to just
like, state, if it as if it wasan objective fact, oh, that
person is ugly.
Just like as it's at effect andthis ugly fat person and it's
just objective.
And you're like,

Spoons (51:07):
like, I don't think that's, you

Gino (51:09):
Oh, yeah.

Spoons (51:10):
that

Wheezy (51:10):
you.
And they're like, so because ofher ugliness, like

Spoons (51:13):
do to her natural unattractiveness.
You're like, what?

Wheezy (51:17):
you

Gino (51:18):
It's gonna be awkward even when you read my chapters, but,
uh,

Wheezy (51:21):
You're like, and Ashe's character is very

Gino (51:24):
I,

Spoons (51:25):
Oh, I can't wait.

Wheezy (51:26):
Oh my goodness.

Spoons (51:27):
but yeah, so they meet and I

Gino (51:29):
so

Spoons (51:30):
what is going on here?
And then we meet Marian's,half-sister Laura, who
immediately Walter's like, I'min

Wheezy (51:38):
Laura,

Spoons (51:39):
He's like clutching his heart and like dying swooning.
He's like fainting in thedrawing room, you know, so
beautiful and way fish and goodat playing Mozart on the piano
forte.
And she is very lovely andsweet.

Wheezy (51:53):
is fine.

Spoons (51:54):
she's

Wheezy (51:55):
I'm just saying Marian has way more going for her.

Spoons (51:57):
no nothing against Laura.

Wheezy (51:59):
nothing wrong with her.

Spoons (52:00):
girl.

Wheezy (52:01):
No, girl.

Spoons (52:03):
I would say no, probably I'm

Gino (52:05):
hmm.

Spoons (52:07):
on that one with Laura.
But

Wheezy (52:09):
I'm also leaning towards, no,

Spoons (52:10):
want, I don't wanna show any harm and you know, so that's
Laura and Walter is just so

Wheezy (52:17):
yeah, that really is.

Spoons (52:19):
while he's so into, oh, and then also Gino's least
favorite character as well asmine.
Very stupid ass uncle who Ms.
Frederick Fairley.
Okay.
Their last name is Fairley LauraFairley, and I think it is the
cutest last name of all time.
F-A-I-R-L-I-E.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
That's adorable.
Makes'em sound like little Fay.

Wheezy (52:40):
Oh, that's cute.
In my audio book, theypronounced it Farley the whole
time, so I didn't even

Gino (52:45):
Really?

Wheezy (52:45):
spelled like that.
Yeah,

Spoons (52:47):
Fairy.
Laura Fairy.

Gino (52:49):
Yeah.

Wheezy (52:49):
That's cute.

Spoons (52:51):
their Uncle

Wheezy (52:52):
Oh, that's cute.

Spoons (52:53):
all

Wheezy (52:54):
Mesquite Fairly.

Spoons (52:55):
Oh, that's just

Gino (52:56):
Oh my gosh.

Spoons (52:57):
over there.
I can't, Mesquite

Wheezy (53:00):
I decided Mesquite's a cute name for a girl.
If anyone's like, what's what?

Spoons (53:03):
of a nickname for

Wheezy (53:04):
Mesquite.
Oh, little messy fairy.
That's cute.

Gino (53:08):
I like messy.

Wheezy (53:09):
Aw, that's adorable.
Nobody take it.
T-M-T-M-T-M.
It's mine.

Spoons (53:13):
nobody too good.

Gino (53:14):
You have to give it.
You have to give it to me.
'cause Phil Wa, Phil likes turboand Rug.
Rug.

Wheezy (53:21):
Okay.
If it comes down to turbo andRug, I'll give you Mesquite.
If that's what it really comesdown to, you can have mesquite
under those circumstances andthose circumstances alone.

Gino (53:30):
I think he did offer up Bert the other day

Wheezy (53:33):
I hate that more than turbo.

Spoons (53:35):
bad.

Wheezy (53:35):
Turbo's better

Spoons (53:37):
Yeah.

Gino (53:37):
anyways.
The fairies.

Spoons (53:39):
so basically he sucks.
But then, so basically blah,blah, blah, Walter's here for a
while.
He and Marian become goodfriends.
Oh, no, no, no.
I forgot the woman in white.
I totally forgot about the womanin white.
The tit,

Gino (53:52):
Oh yeah.

Spoons (53:52):
roll.
Before he even makes it to thehouse, he is walking there and
it's like nighttime.
And this woman, I can't believewe forgot this, this woman
appears behind him and is likeall in white.
And he's like, ah.
And she is like, hello?
And he is like, oh my God.
And basically she's immediatelylike, I'm not doing anything

(54:15):
wrong.
And he's like, okay.
Like

Gino (54:18):
She's like, are you rich?

Spoons (54:19):
And he,

Gino (54:21):
Are you a baron?

Wheezy (54:22):
Are you

Gino (54:22):
Are you society?

Spoons (54:24):
And he is,

Wheezy (54:25):
She's like, tell me the names of all the barons, you
know

Gino (54:27):
Yeah.

Spoons (54:28):
you always begin conversations this way?

Wheezy (54:30):
I mean, I know a few.
And he's like, she's like,'causeyou're rich.
And he's like,'cause I, I teachrich people how to draw
pictures.
she's like,

Gino (54:37):
I know.
My disappointment, my mother.

Spoons (54:40):
And he is like, okay.
So he basically is like, I haveno idea what her deal is, but
she seems to hate Barron's,number one and number two really
needs to go back to London.
So he like helps her get toLondon and when he gets there
and she leaves and stuff, she'slike, you can, when we get
there, you can't ask me anythingor follow me.
And he is like, okay, like doyou need help?

(55:01):
And she's like, no.
And he is like, okay.
So they get back to London andshe leaves and

Wheezy (55:07):
Yeah.

Spoons (55:08):
I don't even know.
And then he finds out, oh, thiswoman has escaped from the
asylum and I just helped herescape and I don't really know
what the deal is, but he's like,okay, that was crazy.
that's all he knows about that.

Wheezy (55:21):
Yeah, because he is like, I'm just gonna choose to
believe that hopefully she waswrongfully put in the asylum and
I did a good thing.

Spoons (55:27):
she seems okay to

Wheezy (55:28):
And I'm like, yeah, that feels safe.

Spoons (55:30):
He's like, I'm sure it's fine.

Wheezy (55:32):
Yeah.
But that also made me thinklike, so the character, he isn't
sexist because I feel like themore sexist thing would just be
to assume if she was in anasylum and a woman is for a
reason.

Spoons (55:44):
like

Wheezy (55:44):
I don't know.
I don't, he's, you know,

Gino (55:46):
I mean, it's plot.
It's for plot reasons.

Spoons (55:48):
and also

Wheezy (55:49):
That's true.

Spoons (55:50):
do feel like Walter is fully like, and Wilkie.
And by extension, I guess arefully like, yeah, these women
are extremely, like Wilke thebook with very like different
women.
Like they're not all just like astock character of a woman, you
know?
They're all very different, verycapable, very

Wheezy (56:10):
Yeah.

Spoons (56:11):
Have like,

Gino (56:11):
Yes.

Spoons (56:12):
like rich paths and yet

Wheezy (56:15):
Well, he clearly had an appreciation for the ladies.

Spoons (56:18):
of like, oh, women are cool.
Like he wouldn't have, Mariannehas fully almost like half this
book.

Wheezy (56:23):
like, women are individuals, but they are still
women.

Spoons (56:26):
get over there.
Weak nature.
I'm so sorry.
Which made me be like, are youbeing like, are you doing some
kind of commentary or is thislike really just, are you
speaking to the time?

Wheezy (56:38):
time it

Gino (56:39):
that's what I felt like.
Yes, that's

Wheezy (56:41):
Yeah.

Gino (56:42):
it.

Spoons (56:42):
also just like

Gino (56:43):
No idea.

Spoons (56:44):
being like an 1860 audience and like what is going
on culturally?
Like is this is even just havingvery capable women kind of cool?
Or is like he had to include,well, you know, there are women,
but you know, they're cool.
You know what I mean?
I'm like, what is going on?
And then I,

Wheezy (57:04):
I mean there are like Marian especially, she's like
almost as, I mean she's like asmuch detective as he is for a
lot of the book.
I would think that's what,that'd be really cool as a girl.
I think it might be somethinglike he's kind of in the middle,
like he was sexist, but unlike alot of men at the time, he did
see women as individuals.
So maybe in that way he wasn'tas sexist.

Spoons (57:23):
I, I

Wheezy (57:23):
I don't know.

Spoons (57:24):
kind of where I'm landing to where he's like
sexist in the terms of like,almost everyone was sexist in
1860, you know, where it's justlike, of the time.
But

Wheezy (57:33):
Yeah,

Spoons (57:34):
personal point of view, he's like, but I

Wheezy (57:35):
yeah,

Spoons (57:36):
couldn't a woman do this part of the story?
You know?
Like, he doesn't have that kindof hangup with it, which

Wheezy (57:42):
long as she doesn't do any manual labor and as long as
she gets sick of her hair iswet, then worse being true to
reality.

Spoons (57:47):
And I'm

Gino (57:48):
Literally.

Wheezy (57:49):
hair wet,

Gino (57:50):
Literally.

Wheezy (57:51):
and I'm like, well, you're doing better than your,
than your counterparts.
But it's just the bar is so low,

Spoons (57:56):
not gonna be Charlotte Bronte, you know, he, he doesn't
have the lived experience, butit's okay.

Wheezy (58:01):
no.

Spoons (58:03):
but then, yeah, so, so anyway, he meets the woman in
white, then they to the back ofthe barn.
the door's open.
Sorry, God, these freaking cats.
He is now they're fightingagain.

Wheezy (58:16):
Her caler

Gino (58:17):
so cute.

Spoons (58:18):
Hello?

Gino (58:19):
Yeah.

Spoons (58:20):
doing?

Gino (58:20):
I love his little tummy.

Spoons (58:22):
They're ridiculous.
They're

Wheezy (58:23):
know.
I just wanna like take a littlebite out of it.
Just

Gino (58:26):
Right.

Spoons (58:27):
I will eat the cat.
He's leaving.
Okay.
So.
He Walter's falling in love withLaura, blah, blah, blah.
Then he's, but the also at thesame time, Marian and Walter are
like doing detective partnerstuff where they're like, uh,
let's discover who the woman inwhite truly is and all of this.
And they're like, really likebeing partners in crime.

(58:48):
And I'm like, this is so slay.
Like what was going on?
Especially at the beginning Iwas like, ter, you need to be in
love with Marian instead.
This is, she's so cool.

Wheezy (58:58):
Yes.
I really wanted him to be inlove with Marian, and then I
later I was like, whatever,you're too

Gino (59:02):
No.
See, I don't think he is goodenough for Marian.
Exactly.
I was like, he's not good enoughfor Marian.
He is.

Wheezy (59:09):
he's wrong.
Maybe he'll change his mind.
And then it really quicklybecame like, no, he's not gonna,

Spoons (59:14):
good

Wheezy (59:14):
but whatever.
She's too good.

Spoons (59:15):
glad that they're all friends though.
I do think it's cute that theystayed good friends.
Like they immediately were like,we

Wheezy (59:21):
They're all

Spoons (59:22):
right,

Wheezy (59:22):
They did.

Spoons (59:23):
out.
You know?
So I liked that.

Wheezy (59:25):
Yeah.
It was cute.
Yeah,

Gino (59:27):
Listen, you can love or hate, uh, Wilkie, but he, he
writes good characters.
Like they're very full

Spoons (59:35):
I felt

Gino (59:35):
characters and, yeah.

Wheezy (59:37):
Every single one, even like the mom and the sister who
only could show up in a fewscenes, like we're very, like, I
have no trouble telling you whatI think they would do in any
situation.
Like he, he gives you a reallygood impression of every

Gino (59:47):
Yes,

Spoons (59:48):
He's

Gino (59:48):
yes.

Spoons (59:49):
I immediately was like, I am interested in this.
Like even at the beginning I waslike, oh, this is daunting.
It's like 25 hours.
But when I started listening, Iwas like, Ooh.
Or, and then I also was readingsome of it in the book and I was
like, I do, I do wanna knowwhat's going on.

Wheezy (01:00:02):
I had the same thing.

Gino (01:00:03):
though.
Yes.
Yes.

Wheezy (01:00:05):
that he dropped interesting things.
It was like, right when you'relike, I'm too tired.
I'm getting ready to give up onthis.
Then he'd be like, Ooh, andhere's this other clue.
And you'd be like, well, now I'minterested.

Gino (01:00:15):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:00:16):
like, every time you start to fade, he's like, and an
ooh thing.
I think that this book Hot Takefor me and not surprising could
have been half as long.
And like I want the, I want theabridged version to

Gino (01:00:26):
She,

Wheezy (01:00:26):
version.
And it would've been, I probablywould've been like my favorite
classic, amazing, wonderful.
But it was so long.

Gino (01:00:33):
the last two bucks, Ella and the other Cinderella story,
you were like, they need todouble in.
Like, they were like, this onecould have,

Wheezy (01:00:40):
Those, the only times I've ever said that was for
those books.
I don't think I've ever saidthat.
I'm always like, cut, cut, cut,cut, cut.
I've never said that.

Spoons (01:00:48):
want more.
Cinderella

Wheezy (01:00:49):
It's so strange.
Maybe.

Gino (01:00:51):
know what, you know what the woman in white was missing?
Cinderella and some glassslippers.
That's all I'm saying.

Spoons (01:00:56):
in that carriage.

Gino (01:00:58):
Exactly.

Wheezy (01:01:00):
God Wilkie.

Spoons (01:01:01):
basically since we're we're 10 minutes in now, Walter
falls in love with Laura.

Gino (01:01:07):
We still have three hours of this book left.

Spoons (01:01:09):
this?
Oh Marian is like, Hey, I knowyou're in love with Laura, but
she's engaged.
And he's like, what?
she's like, oh, sorry dude.
And he's like, oh my God.
And she's like, so it's probablybest if you leave.
And I was like, whoa, that'scrazy.
And

Wheezy (01:01:25):
And he is like, yeah.

Spoons (01:01:26):
'cause Laura's in love with you too.
And it's like, what?
So Laura and Walter are kind of,are like star cross lovers
because she's been engaged tothis guy named Possible Glide.
And it was like arranged by herdad before he died.
And she's like, well, I alreadysaid I would marry him.
So

Wheezy (01:01:44):
Yeah.
AKA personable, the prick.

Spoons (01:01:46):
Hers all sucks.

Gino (01:01:47):
is like I shall be true to my word,

Spoons (01:01:50):
So,

Gino (01:01:51):
my family, and my word, and my worthiness as a woman.

Wheezy (01:01:55):
And he comes and like Walter leaves, Percy comes and
sees her and he gives a decentenough impression.
He is like on his like reallygood behavior.
And then pretty much as soon asthey get married, we find out
he's basically like, LOL sucksto be you.
It was all an act and I'm usingyou for your money and you can't
do anything about it.
Like, pretty much just likeright up front.

Spoons (01:02:12):
He's very like, it now, girl.
And I was so mad before they got

Wheezy (01:02:17):
yeah,

Spoons (01:02:17):
when she was like, listen, I'm in love with someone
else.
I'm just gonna be honest withyou.
Like if you wanna break off theengagement because of that,
that's totally cool with me.
And he was like, actually, I'mgonna marry you even harder.
And

Wheezy (01:02:30):
yeah.

Spoons (01:02:30):
you.
Dick, I was so mad at him.

Wheezy (01:02:33):
I know.
'cause he's like, now someoneelse

Gino (01:02:35):
Ugh.

Wheezy (01:02:35):
you.
He's,

Gino (01:02:36):
Ugh.

Wheezy (01:02:37):
so bad.
And the, so the woman in whitewho escaped from the asylum try,
she sent a letter trying to,basically when she heard that
Laura Fa Fairley was going tomarry Percy, she sent a letter
to try and be like, he's a baddude, don't do it.
But she was sent it anonymouslybecause she obviously doesn't
want anyone to know she's outtathe asylum.
She just wanna be caught andback.
And so that was the whole thingtoo.

(01:02:58):
So it's like this ongoing, youknow, thing.
They're

Gino (01:03:02):
Who is this woman then?
What?
And what is the secret?
She knows exactly.

Wheezy (01:03:07):
What does she know about Percy?

Spoons (01:03:09):
And it's crazy.
And she has like this connectionwith the Farley's mom or like
Laura's mom and all this, and sothey're kind of trying to figure
her deal out.
And her name is Ann Catholic.

Wheezy (01:03:20):
she looks a lot like Laura.

Gino (01:03:22):
Yes.

Wheezy (01:03:22):
Yeah.
And Catholic.

Spoons (01:03:24):
similar looking, but Ann looks worse is

Wheezy (01:03:28):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:03:29):
what Walter is saying at all times.

Wheezy (01:03:31):
Essentially

Gino (01:03:32):
she's been like in an insane asylum for a while, so
she, I mean, she, she might,

Wheezy (01:03:37):
And mistreated.

Gino (01:03:38):
she might have the insane waves like we do, but the
jawline isn't there.

Wheezy (01:03:43):
got the asylum waves, she's got the wave waves.

Spoons (01:03:47):
like, yeah.
Good God.
Imagine.

Gino (01:03:49):
Oh my gosh.
Maybe that's my style.

Spoons (01:03:53):
asylum.
Oh my

Wheezy (01:03:54):
my style.

Gino (01:03:55):
Listen, I'm working,

Spoons (01:03:56):
My

Wheezy (01:03:57):
wave.

Gino (01:03:57):
I'm working on a new style, so maybe that'll be it.

Wheezy (01:04:01):
That's hilarious.

Spoons (01:04:02):
Walter leaves, and then the narrative gets brought up by
the the lawyer who is basicallyall his deal is like, oh, this
guy sucks because Peral is like,I'm going to make it so that
when Laura dies, I get total ofmoney.
And he is like, what?
he is like, well, I'm going todo it anyway'cause I'm a

Gino (01:04:20):
I kind of,

Wheezy (01:04:21):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:04:21):
lawyer's like, okay, like, I don't like that.
And he is like, well, nothingyou can do.
And then so there's all that.
And then also then it getsshifted to.

Gino (01:04:33):
I kind of loved the lawyer's conversation with the
lawyer.
He was like this is the moneyyou'll get.
And the lawyer's like, no, wewant all the money.
He is like, um, but no, that'snot a thing.
And he is like,

Spoons (01:04:43):
yeah.

Gino (01:04:43):
no, it is.
And he is like, well, I don'tknow what to do at this point.

Spoons (01:04:47):
I already told you this is bad.
And you still wanna do it.
Like,

Wheezy (01:04:51):
you go from here?

Spoons (01:04:52):
And then the

Wheezy (01:04:53):
Oh

Spoons (01:04:54):
picked up by Marian, and this is like Laura and Percy are
married, and then Marian iscoming to live with them at this
other house.
And she gets there and isimmediately like, the vibes

Wheezy (01:05:05):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (01:05:05):
in here.
Everyone is weird.
Dogs are getting shot randomly.
Like I am just,

Gino (01:05:13):
Oh my gosh, yes.

Spoons (01:05:15):
does when she gets there is like, tend to

Wheezy (01:05:17):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:05:17):
dog who got shot and then this maid is like, ha, ha,
ha, I don't

Wheezy (01:05:22):
It does.

Spoons (01:05:23):
And then it dies.
And then they're like, welcometo the house.

Gino (01:05:26):
She's like, that's the games keeper.
He just shoots them.

Wheezy (01:05:29):
Yeah.
Yep.

Gino (01:05:31):
job is to shoot dogs.
Ha.

Wheezy (01:05:32):
And until then, like Laura basically wouldn't say
anything about her marriage,just like she would, she would
talk about anything else, butlike, she would not say
anything.
She wouldn't even like refer toPercy, like in her letters and
stuff.
And yeah, she gets there andit's not shocking.
Why.
And that's where we meet.

Spoons (01:05:48):
Can to

Gino (01:05:48):
Foco.

Wheezy (01:05:49):
Count Foco.

Spoons (01:05:51):
Foco.

Wheezy (01:05:52):
the biggest, loudest character in this damn book.
I mean, wow.
He loves himself.

Gino (01:05:58):
I mean, he is Italian

Spoons (01:05:59):
he's a big, he is got a lot of

Wheezy (01:06:01):
It's true.

Spoons (01:06:02):
and he's got a lot of pets.
all the little mice and the

Wheezy (01:06:05):
He is the opposite of Pesca.

Spoons (01:06:09):
he's

Gino (01:06:10):
and the wife.

Wheezy (01:06:11):
He's got like a bunch of, and the wife, yeah, he's
like got a bunch, a bunch ofpets that

Gino (01:06:15):
What is this Bora?

Wheezy (01:06:16):
including his wife I'm alive.
So

Gino (01:06:20):
I mean, from Italian to Bora real quick.

Wheezy (01:06:23):
That's honestly a little bit what the, the audiobook
narrator and mind sounded likewhen he There was a lot of Borad
in there,

Spoons (01:06:28):
hints of Bora.

Wheezy (01:06:29):
but he committed the whole book for it.
So I was like, I, it's a borad

Spoons (01:06:33):
like this old fat guy who loves his weird pets and
he's so, so

Gino (01:06:39):
Italian.

Spoons (01:06:40):
into Marian.
He is like a beautiful man andshe is so cool.

Gino (01:06:45):
Mm,

Wheezy (01:06:46):
I mean, he loves that his wife does everything that he
says and

Gino (01:06:49):
wow.
Wow.

Wheezy (01:06:51):
He's like, my wife is so good at being a wife.
She doesn't have any thoughts ofher own.
She only believes what I believeabout everything and does
whatever.
I says, she's such a good wifeand

Gino (01:06:58):
That's such an Italian.
I mean, it's such a man of theage, but it's also such an
Italian.

Wheezy (01:07:04):
that he's so into her admiring him.
It's always about how sheadmires him

Gino (01:07:07):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:07:08):
And I'm like, yeah, this is an Italian thing for sure.

Gino (01:07:10):
He is like, she rolls my cigars and she does this, and I
ask her to do that, and she doesthis and

Wheezy (01:07:16):
And she gazes it.
When I tell her to do it, shegazes at me with adoration

Gino (01:07:19):
she asks permission before she leaves or enters a room,
like,

Spoons (01:07:24):
Yeah, it's like weird.
But he is

Wheezy (01:07:26):
Yeah.
And then he's also like, yeah.
And then with Marian, oh, he'svery, he's a very fun character
to read.

Gino (01:07:33):
oh, yes.

Wheezy (01:07:33):
of course he's, he's actually in love with Marian
that she'd kick his ass,

Gino (01:07:38):
Oh yes,

Wheezy (01:07:38):
awesome to see.

Spoons (01:07:40):
it and then he's gonna beat her down, you know?
I think that's what he wants,but he also

Wheezy (01:07:45):
Yeah.
He wants to be like, I tamedthat crazy one.

Spoons (01:07:49):
because

Wheezy (01:07:49):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:07:50):
cool.
And so Percy

Wheezy (01:07:53):
because she's my favorite character right now.
She's my favorite.

Spoons (01:07:56):
too.
So basically the plot thickens,

Gino (01:07:59):
but immediately Laura's like, don't trust him.

Spoons (01:08:02):
Laura hates him and she hates her husband.
I feel so bad for Laura to bh.
I'm like, God, six months withthis guy.
Ew.
Like, I don't even, worst tripever.

Wheezy (01:08:13):
I know.
And and her husband and Boscohave been basically like
conniving working to together totry to get her to sign this
paperwork, but they will not lether read it.
And so then Marian's like, yeah,don't do that.
That's a bad idea.
We're gonna call our lawyer.
And their lawyer's like, don'tdo it.
That's a bad idea.
And it's this whole crazy drama.
I mean, and then the woman inwhite shows up and she's, it's

(01:08:35):
man,

Gino (01:08:36):
says, I have a secret.

Wheezy (01:08:37):
crazy.

Spoons (01:08:38):
Laura,

Gino (01:08:39):
What does,

Wheezy (01:08:40):
Yes.

Spoons (01:08:40):
And Laura's like, what?
just like me.
She's like,

Gino (01:08:44):
oh my God.

Wheezy (01:08:45):
This is so freaky Friday.

Spoons (01:08:47):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:08:48):
Friday Parent Trap.

Spoons (01:08:49):
so Marian,

Wheezy (01:08:51):
I referenced the wrong early two thousands movie.
Sorry.
Continue.

Spoons (01:08:55):
well unfortunately that means you're kicked out of the
pod.
Get out.
We're gonna now we'll come back,come back, come back.
So Marian is like, I'm gonnasneak around and like discover
the truth.
And so she is like hiding out onlike this balcony while it's
raining and listening to Percyand Foco like talking and she's

(01:09:17):
overhearing like this nefariousplan.
And I was like, she is so cool,dude.
Like she is out here.
She was like, don't even

Wheezy (01:09:26):
For real.

Spoons (01:09:27):
figure it out.
And she's like, I will justcreep around and be a little
detective.
And I'm like, that's my SherlockHolmes.
You know, that's Marian Holcomes my Sherlock Holmes or

Wheezy (01:09:37):
Yeah,

Gino (01:09:37):
yeah.
Oh yes.

Wheezy (01:09:39):
real.
And Laura is not doing anythingwrong.
she's simply not doing anything

Gino (01:09:45):
No, Laura doesn't do anything.
The whole book, she just existsand she's pretty, she stands
there and like she looks pretty.

Spoons (01:09:53):
damel in

Wheezy (01:09:54):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:09:54):
is.

Wheezy (01:09:55):
Walter's like, wow, how does she do it?

Spoons (01:09:57):
she's so mediocre at drawing.
I can't even get over it.

Wheezy (01:10:00):
Amazing.

Spoons (01:10:01):
okay, great.
Like I'm sorry to this Laura.
You know, like I

Wheezy (01:10:05):
Oh my goodness.

Spoons (01:10:06):
having to marry this nasty guy while you're in love
with like probably a hot likedrawing guy.
That sucks.
I'm like, why aren't you on thebalcony, Laura?
Like, we could be doingsomething.
You know, the most she did wasgo talk to

Wheezy (01:10:20):
So she's got like no critical thinking skills.

Gino (01:10:23):
Although, isn't she locked up at this point or something?

Wheezy (01:10:26):
She, she, she does get locked up,

Spoons (01:10:29):
Why couldn't Laura find the key?
You know,

Wheezy (01:10:31):
Laura.

Gino (01:10:32):
locks her up because why?
I forget why he locks her up.

Spoons (01:10:36):
I don't remember.
But yeah, he,

Gino (01:10:38):
Yeah.
For some reason,

Spoons (01:10:41):
it out.
But then she

Gino (01:10:42):
but,

Spoons (01:10:42):
while she's on the balcony, though she's figuring
out, but like.

Gino (01:10:46):
well, she overhears, yeah, she listens to Perl and um, camp
Foco, and they're both like,well, we both need money, right?
That's our problem.
And they're like, yes.
And then he's like, well, yourwife has money, so let's get her
money.
And he's like, well, I can'tunless she's dead.
And Camp Foco iss like, Hmm,unless she's dead, you say?

(01:11:06):
And he's like, yes.
I don't know what to do aboutthis camp.
Foco is like, Hmm, I have ideas.
And he's like, what could theypossibly be?
Count Foco?
I don't understand.
And he is like, just let meruminate.

Wheezy (01:11:19):
dense.
You're real dense.
Percy.
Gee, I wonder, I wonder what itcould be.

Spoons (01:11:24):
Maybe it's like he gets

Wheezy (01:11:26):
And that's, that's how Marian gets sick

Spoons (01:11:28):
rained on, on the balcony or

Wheezy (01:11:30):
she gets her hair wet.

Gino (01:11:31):
Yeah,

Spoons (01:11:32):
then, so

Wheezy (01:11:33):
Mm-hmm.

Gino (01:11:34):
I thought for sure she was poisoned or something.
Like, I know later on it's like,everyone thinks she was
poisoned, but I was like,there's no way she just was
outside and got wet and waslike, oh, now she has
tuberculosis or whatever.
Like, I was like,

Spoons (01:11:47):
it.
'cause I was like, this waswritten in

Wheezy (01:11:48):
I also thought she was poisoned.

Spoons (01:11:50):
just got rained on.
I don't know.

Wheezy (01:11:53):
I mean, that's, that's accurate.
That's so much more accurate.

Spoons (01:11:56):
oh God.
A woman

Gino (01:11:58):
exactly.

Wheezy (01:11:59):
Oh my gosh.

Gino (01:12:01):
Okay.
But also right after, no go, go,go.

Spoons (01:12:03):
I, I think we were about to say the

Gino (01:12:05):
Ah, she, he

Spoons (01:12:06):
Yeah.

Gino (01:12:06):
foco, camp Foco finds her diary and like writes in the end
entrance.
He's like, this is such a goodrecounting of everything.
And like what?
Like first of all, what, what aboss move to be like, yes, you
just wrote in your diary thatI'm plotting murder.
I'm gonna leave this here and belike, this was wonderfully

(01:12:28):
written, signed love foco.
Like what?

Wheezy (01:12:32):
Basically the level of arrogance

Gino (01:12:35):
Yes.

Wheezy (01:12:37):
is like

Spoons (01:12:38):
this guy's crazy.

Gino (01:12:40):
I know.
I was like, I was running andthat was the first time my heart
rate went up a little bithigher.
I was like, ah,

Wheezy (01:12:45):
Like

Gino (01:12:46):
oh, no.
Bad things.

Wheezy (01:12:48):
a little crazy.

Spoons (01:12:49):
I loved that.

Wheezy (01:12:50):
Yeah.
He seems to really thrive on, heseems to thrive on the evil of
it a little bit like Percy's,just a selfish brat,

Gino (01:12:57):
He definitely has one of those twirly mustaches.

Wheezy (01:12:59):
evil.

Spoons (01:13:00):
Exactly.

Gino (01:13:02):
Ho, ho, ho.

Wheezy (01:13:03):
So interesting.

Spoons (01:13:04):
you have found truth.
Beautiful Marianne.
wait, now he's French.
Sorry.
He should have been French.

Wheezy (01:13:11):
You found the truth.

Spoons (01:13:12):
you found the truth.

Wheezy (01:13:13):
Do the bad, Mario?

Spoons (01:13:15):
I was so good.
And After that Marian is sickand Laura, wait, is Laura is
sick?
I don't remember, but Marian is

Gino (01:13:22):
we hear from a lot of people.

Spoons (01:13:24):
Marian.

Gino (01:13:25):
No, Laura like, sits by her bedside.

Spoons (01:13:28):
But Laura

Wheezy (01:13:29):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:13:29):
wakes up one day and they're like, she's like,
where's Marian?
And they're like, oh, she'sgone.
She went with Count Foco, who'sleft?
Who left?
And Laura's like, what?
Like Marian would never justleave.
And they're like, well, she did,sorry.
they're

Wheezy (01:13:43):
No.

Spoons (01:13:44):
like freaking out.
But then turns out, so thenLaura leaves to go like, find
her.
Oh my God, sorry, my life isfalling apart.
so sorry.

Wheezy (01:13:54):
my God.

Gino (01:13:55):
so dramatic.

Spoons (01:13:56):
So

Wheezy (01:13:57):
Oh my goodness.

Spoons (01:13:58):
Laura leaves to go find her in London, but then turns
out Marian, it didn't leave.
They just moved to her to adifferent wing.
And because they wanted Lauralike, you know, to leave.
And so then we find out thatLaura dies and you're like, I
was freaking out.
And then, and so they

Wheezy (01:14:19):
Bro.
I was like,

Spoons (01:14:21):
let

Wheezy (01:14:21):
what are we doing?

Spoons (01:14:22):
dead for several pages and then you find out.
But as this was happening, I waslike, there's no way.
And then I was like, the womanin white.
And then it turns out it was thewoman in white is in fact

Wheezy (01:14:34):
I was really hoping there was a twist, but I was
scared.
'cause it was a classic.
I was gonna be disappointed.
sure enough, there was a

Gino (01:14:41):
I feel like I knew right away,

Spoons (01:14:42):
You're like, okay.
Yeah, obviously

Wheezy (01:14:44):
It was tracks.

Gino (01:14:45):
not to brag, but I was like, I was like, I see what
happened.

Wheezy (01:14:49):
like, I was way back there.

Spoons (01:14:52):
Well,

Gino (01:14:53):
It was fully Marian and, and heart, right?
And, and.
Laura speaking together andwheezy was like, why are they
talking to Ann Catholic?

Spoons (01:15:02):
she is like,

Wheezy (01:15:02):
what?
What is this?
What and what are you doinghere?

Spoons (01:15:05):
Oh my God.
But it

Wheezy (01:15:08):
I'm confused.

Spoons (01:15:10):
I do feel bad about this, but when they were like
wanting me to believe Laura wasdead, I went, oh, like that was
my reaction.
I was like, oh, I'm sorry.
Oh, that's too bad.

Wheezy (01:15:18):
That was also my reaction.
was like, Hmm, Laura, I.

Gino (01:15:23):
See, I wasn't like, it wasn't that she was dead.
I was really upset that like,that Foco and Peral

Spoons (01:15:31):
yes.

Gino (01:15:33):
if like,

Wheezy (01:15:33):
Yeah.

Gino (01:15:35):
it wasn't,

Wheezy (01:15:35):
upset about.

Gino (01:15:36):
yeah.

Wheezy (01:15:37):
It was like, oh, she died.
Percy Sco.

Spoons (01:15:41):
yeah.
Ugh.
So stressful.
But I feel so bad for Anne.
And so basically, yeah, Annedied.
They did like a switch.
And so Anne died and then theysent Laura to the asylum she's
like, I'm Laura Fairley.
And everyone at the asylum islike, okay, yeah, sure you are.
Yep, Uhhuh and.

Wheezy (01:15:58):
yeah, because they're like, yeah, she got crazier
while she was escaped and nowshe believes that she's Laura
Fairley.
So don't believe her if shetells you that she is.
And because she looks somewhatsimilar and they changed out.
The nurse who used to take careof Anne Catholic when she
escaped the nurse is like, I, Idunno what she's supposed to
look like.
Like what?
I also was like, a lot of youlike the, like the doctor at the

(01:16:20):
psychiatric facility orwhatever.
I'm like, you can't tell thedifference.

Spoons (01:16:24):
apparently not.

Wheezy (01:16:25):
Are you in on it?
I was just never

Gino (01:16:27):
We've forgot to mention this whole time that, um,
Percival had this connection toAnn Catholic slash Soloman of in
white and was like, she cannotbe found.
Like, we have to find her.
We have to put her back in theasylum.
If she gets out, it will ruinme.
She knows something like, andwe're all like, what does she
know?

Wheezy (01:16:46):
at

Gino (01:16:46):
Hmm.

Wheezy (01:16:47):
that the woman in Mike was asking Walter Hart right
about, she was like, tell methat you don't know this baron.
He's like, which baron?
And she's like, just tell me theones that you know, so I know
that you don't know The one thatI don't want to hear from and
like, I don't want him to know.
And it's him.
It's, it's Percy.
He's the one that, he's the onewho put her in there.

Spoons (01:17:02):
Walter is

Wheezy (01:17:03):
Yeah.
Although her mom kind of helpedout.
She was like, go for it.
Put your, put my daughter inthere.
She sucks.

Spoons (01:17:10):
the plot kind of unfolds quickly.
Once we find out that like,she's actually alive.
So basically Walter comes backand then for a while, Walter and
Marian and.
Laura are just chilling togetherbecause they're like, okay, so
we gotta figure out what to dobecause Fred, the uncle is like,
I don't believe that my d thatmy niece is alive.

(01:17:32):
So they kinda have nowhere togo.
And

Wheezy (01:17:35):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (01:17:36):
both Percy and Camp Foster are still out there and
it's like this whole thing.
So they're Marian and Walter arelike, we're back on our
detective stuff buddy.
Like, it's you and me.
And meanwhile they're like, butwe can't let

Wheezy (01:17:48):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:17:50):
so is so annoying.
I'm like,

Wheezy (01:17:53):
I kind of love when they're all being roomies
though.
They do have to like, like achild keeper out of it.
But I love that they were allRuby.
It was cute.

Spoons (01:18:01):
like's besties.

Wheezy (01:18:02):
I was also like, are you allowed to be roomies with
girls?
Like you grown men.
I thought you weren't allowed todo that in like the 18 hundreds,

Gino (01:18:09):
mean, you're not allowed to like kids.

Wheezy (01:18:10):
Collins.

Gino (01:18:11):
someone escape from the Saint Asylum too.
So I think that like.

Wheezy (01:18:15):
true.
I think also in the 18 hundreds,you probably weren't, you
weren't supposed to to have twolong-term polyamorous
relationships.
Probably also, I don't know thatWilkey cared, you know?

Spoons (01:18:27):
Poppa.

Wheezy (01:18:27):
love it.
I was like, how refreshing.

Spoons (01:18:29):
very cute.

Wheezy (01:18:31):
He was like, Ooh, oops.
was really, really sweet.
I was like, look at you roomies

Spoons (01:18:35):
to

Wheezy (01:18:35):
besties.
But yeah, for sure.
They were like, like, let's talkreally quietly so Lord doesn't
hear us.

Spoons (01:18:41):
from her asylum

Wheezy (01:18:42):
And Laura's acting like a child, as if like, yeah, from
being in the asylum, but she'slike totally different.
And Walter's still like, I'm inlove with her.
And I'm like, you literally justsaid she's acting like a child.
I have concerns.

Spoons (01:18:53):
the part

Wheezy (01:18:53):
Like,

Spoons (01:18:54):
gave up and was like, fine, you're in love with her.
Like it's fine because at leastyou know he was being sweet.
Like they

Wheezy (01:19:00):
fine.

Spoons (01:19:01):
Like, I don't

Wheezy (01:19:01):
Oh, he was being totally sweet.
He was just like, I've chosen tobe in love with you and I've
chosen to be committed to youforever.
Whatever.
I was like,

Spoons (01:19:08):
up on

Wheezy (01:19:09):
alright.

Spoons (01:19:10):
at this point because clearly Marian's not interested
either.
Like they're both just like, weare platonic best friends.
And I'm like, okay, that's yourprerogative.
I guess you would be great as apower couple, but that's fine.

Wheezy (01:19:24):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:19:25):
like, you know, she's got all

Wheezy (01:19:26):
never, yeah, I never expected that.

Spoons (01:19:28):
going on.
So I was like, okay, like, youknow, girl knows her worth.

Wheezy (01:19:32):
Stuff going on.
Yeah.

Spoons (01:19:33):
yeah, so basically Walter gets involved and he's
trying to figure out all thisstuff while Marian's with Laura
all the time, and he ends upgoing to this little town.
And oh, one thing I thought wasso funny about this part of the
book is Walter kept being like,okay, if we can prove that she
left the day after, like Laura'sdeath certificate was signed or

(01:19:57):
whatever, then we can prove thatit's not really a Laura,

Wheezy (01:20:00):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (01:20:00):
that it was Anne, you know, whatever.
so I'm like, okay, this is agreat, like, lead to go off of,
but he's like, if we can't proveit, I guess I'm just gonna have
to beat his ass.
Like, that was whole thing.
He was like, please, I kind ofjust wanna beat

Wheezy (01:20:14):
It was, I was kind of loving it.
I also was like, I kind of justwant you to beat his ass.
I really hope you just get to gobeat his ass.
that's really what I wanted.

Spoons (01:20:22):
me the way he was like, I mean, I'm gonna do my best,
but if not, there's always megetting to beat his ass and
don't anyone forget it.
And I was like, okay, Walter, gofor it, dude.

Wheezy (01:20:34):
I love this from you, your little drawing teacher.

Spoons (01:20:38):
So he goes to this little

Wheezy (01:20:39):
So cute.

Spoons (01:20:40):
he's trying to figure stuff out and oh, he already
talked to Ann's mom who waslike, also very evil and mean,
she

Wheezy (01:20:49):
worst.
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (01:20:50):
remember how he got this information, but basically he's
like, oh, she said some,

Gino (01:20:54):
He talks to the clerk.

Spoons (01:20:56):
mother had said something like, diviv derisive
about like Percy's mom.
And so then Walter is like, oh,maybe there's something with his
heritage, or like his lineage.
And so he, yeah, so he's talkingto this clerk at like the church
he basically discovers throughlike the marriage records that
like Percy's not actually likewhat a baron.

(01:21:22):
weren't

Gino (01:21:22):
married.
Yeah.

Spoons (01:21:24):
like

Wheezy (01:21:24):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (01:21:24):
whatever, and he's like, ha ha, this is

Wheezy (01:21:26):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (01:21:27):
I've figured it out.
And then when he goes to like,before he can get like that
proof, like the bear, oh my god,Percy shows up to the church,
burns it down while he's insideand kills himself by accident.

Wheezy (01:21:41):
He is an idiot.
He's an idiot.

Gino (01:21:43):
See that part?

Wheezy (01:21:44):
him too.

Gino (01:21:45):
See that part?
I really didn't believe.
I was like, it's someone elseand they're like saying it's
Percy and pretending it's him,but he's gonna go on the run or
something like that.
But it, it really was him.

Wheezy (01:21:56):
so good.
But no, he's, he really is dumb.
He really is that dumb.

Spoons (01:22:00):
was like, wow.
He was, it was just an accident.
Like he's like, I've beenrunning through it and I don't
know how he could have done thiswithout it just being an
accident.
Like

Wheezy (01:22:08):
He really does run through it a few times.
And he, he also says like, atfirst I tried to save him, but I
really only wanted to save himso I could be the one to kill
him.
And he talks about, he's like, Ireally regret that I wasn't the
one to do it.

Spoons (01:22:20):
he was, yeah,

Wheezy (01:22:22):
was like, I mean, it's good to have goals,

Spoons (01:22:24):
his

Wheezy (01:22:24):
know?

Spoons (01:22:24):
did try, like he got the whole, all the townspeople to be
like, okay, let's try.
But he was like, already dead.
and so yeah, Percy's dead andyou know what?
Good riddance never liked thatguy.
That guy sucked.

Wheezy (01:22:37):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:22:37):
so now he

Wheezy (01:22:38):
No.

Spoons (01:22:38):
secret and blah, blah, blah.
then all that's left is Lee.

Gino (01:22:43):
He is like, Hey, I can get married.

Spoons (01:22:45):
they get married, Babu, ba, the fairly,

Wheezy (01:22:49):
Yeah, because now Percy's dead.
So Laura's not married.

Spoons (01:22:52):
So it all worked out.

Gino (01:22:53):
He is like, all that's left is revenge on Foco.
And then Foco shows up to thehouse where Marian and Laura is,
and Marian's like, he's soscary, but, and he said like, if
you ever come after me, likehorrible things will happen.
What do you think?
And Walter's like I think I'mprobably still gonna go after

(01:23:14):
him.

Wheezy (01:23:15):
And he is like, I think I'm probably gonna maybe kill
him.
Maybe,

Spoons (01:23:18):
ass left I can

Wheezy (01:23:19):
maybe.

Spoons (01:23:20):
I gotta get out there.
Marian, I'm sorry.
You understand?

Wheezy (01:23:23):
It really is.
Well his, he has, his goals aretwofold.
He is like, listen, I wannamarry.
He talks, he talks to Marianabout it and they have like a
very sweet moment where she'slike, my brother.
And you're like, yeah, that's,well that's pretty cute.
But he's basically like, I wannamarry your sister.
And of course there's all thereally the reasons that I'm very
in love with her.
But also I just feel like it'sgonna make it easier for me to
like litigate on her behalf ifI'm actually her husband to say,

(01:23:46):
Hey, she's not dead, she's stillalive.
So he's got this too.
He's like, these are my goals.
I'm gonna beat Fos Go's ass andI'm going to get the like
official recognition that Laurais alive that Laura is not dead.
That's it.
He's like, I have two things.
This is all I care about.

Spoons (01:24:03):
And so

Wheezy (01:24:05):
I really love this direction.
For him, this is better for himthan just the like the whole
drawing thing.

Spoons (01:24:09):
are like, he needed some goals.

Gino (01:24:11):
You hate it so

Spoons (01:24:13):
do.

Gino (01:24:13):
much.
You're like,

Wheezy (01:24:14):
of hate it.

Gino (01:24:15):
ah, drawing

Wheezy (01:24:17):
I do kind of hate it.
And it's not that I hate that hedraws.
I love that he draws.
I hate that.
I'm like, do you have any otherlike skills that feels, it feels
like a lot.
It feels impractical.
Detective

Gino (01:24:28):
like, gr.

Wheezy (01:24:29):
he's great at that.
He should do that as a career.
And painting should be like, ordrawing should be like for fun.

Spoons (01:24:34):
should open their own firm.

Wheezy (01:24:36):
He's literally, he's like, I'm poor.
I'm living with my mom'cause Ihave no money'cause I have no
work.
And I'm like, well buddy, maybeyou need to expand your
skillset.

Spoons (01:24:45):
he's like, my other skills include helping random
women.
I know nothing about in themiddle of the night.
Like beating asses.
I'm sorry.

Wheezy (01:24:54):
Pining for engaged women.

Spoons (01:24:56):
women.
I

Wheezy (01:24:57):
Yeah.
Beating asses.
That was surprising.
Every time.
Every time he was like, I can'twait to kick their ass.
I was like, maybe you're kind ofhot.
Maybe you are kind of hot.
I don't know.
I didn't know you had this inyou.

Spoons (01:25:09):
I'm like, he had to be hot for Laura to be like so into
him so fast.

Gino (01:25:13):
See, I don't know.

Wheezy (01:25:15):
Yeah, that's true.
Chino's like, no,

Spoons (01:25:17):
I don't have a problem with the

Gino (01:25:18):
I dunno.
I don't think he is ugly, but Ithink he is just like, it's just
a close quarters thing.

Wheezy (01:25:25):
have, I have a practical issue, so I'm concerned for his,
his stability in his life withhis drawing career, his drawing,
teaching career.
That's my only concern.
It's not that I have a problemwith being drawing teacher.
I just feel like you need tofall back, buddy.
I'm, I'm worried for you.
And then especially when I heardthat he could kick asses though,
I'm like, that's there's a

Gino (01:25:44):
Except for it's, he thinks no, he thinks he can do it, but
he very much also many times islike I can run fast.
I did track in high school, butother than that, I'm not really
gonna be able to beat.
It's like if it comes to a fightbetween me and him, I'm
definitely gonna lose.

Wheezy (01:25:59):
He's basically like, I'm gonna give it a good effort.
That's very, very true.

Spoons (01:26:03):
the,

Wheezy (01:26:03):
I was like, look, he's willing to fight.
That's hot.

Spoons (01:26:06):
That's true.
At the end when he had his likeconfrontation with, oh, okay, I
guess we forgot this part.
Or I was about to forget.
Um, basically he is at the BA orthe opera with Pesca.

Gino (01:26:19):
comes back.

Spoons (01:26:21):
Fsco is there, and Foco

Wheezy (01:26:22):
Mm-hmm.

Spoons (01:26:23):
freaked out and he and Walter's like, Pesco, like, what
was that about?
And he's like, oh man, I can'tbelieve I have to tell you, I'm
in a secret society.
And he's like, what?
And he is like, yeah.
So it's kind of like this crazypolitical thing where I'm, I'm a
sleeper agent.
And he's like, you're what aretalking about?
And he is like, I'm a sleeperagent for this Italian secret

(01:26:44):
society.
Like, what can you do?
You know?
Like I could go at any time

Wheezy (01:26:50):
He's like, I was young.
I don't know.

Gino (01:26:53):
Yeah, it's exactly like I was young and dumb and broke.

Spoons (01:26:56):
And he is like,

Wheezy (01:26:57):
He said, he says something like the, the
trappings of his youth.
He is

Gino (01:27:00):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:27:01):
the mistakes of my youth, they haunt me.

Spoons (01:27:03):
Walter's like, that's insane.
And he's like, yeah, but itmeans that I could kill that guy
at any time.
Like it really is just a thingwhere like, we could kill

Gino (01:27:11):
Yeah.
It's like, but can you, so canyou please not tell me what he's
done?
'cause I really don't wanna haveto kill him, but, you know, I, I
could, but please don't tell me

Wheezy (01:27:20):
to, don't activate me like.

Spoons (01:27:22):
happy being sleeper.

Gino (01:27:24):
whatever you do, do not say the word lizard legs in a
sense.

Spoons (01:27:28):
Don't, Walter please.
Although I would do anything foryou because you

Wheezy (01:27:32):
Oh my gosh.

Spoons (01:27:34):
And so then, so he, now he's like, oh, great, we have
some

Wheezy (01:27:38):
Literally,

Spoons (01:27:39):
sco.
he goes with like his list ofdemands basically.
And like has this confrontationwith oco.
Well, he's got pesca on like

Wheezy (01:27:47):
I was really proud of him.
He did very good.

Spoons (01:27:50):
He.

Wheezy (01:27:51):
Yeah.
He set it up so that he had like

Gino (01:27:53):
It felt too easy to me.
It felt too easy.
Yeah.
He was like, Hey,

Spoons (01:27:58):
pretty

Gino (01:27:59):
well, I was like,

Wheezy (01:28:00):
basically

Gino (01:28:01):
okay, so.

Wheezy (01:28:02):
at a certain time,

Gino (01:28:03):
No, but like it, he set it up well, he set it up well, and
then he, he, he left the letterwith Pesca that was sealed and
everything.
It was like, if I don't comeback by now open this letter and
it said all the stuff about SCOso that Pesca would've to go
kill him.

Wheezy (01:28:17):
Yeah.

Gino (01:28:18):
but then he gets, and he's talking to Foco and he is like,
listen, this is what I want.
I want you to admit all thethings you've done.
I want Laura to not be dead.
And like this.
He's like, I don't even careabout the money.
I know you spent it already.
And Foco iss like, sure, okay,that's reasonable, but here's my
demands.
I wanna be able to leave.
I want to get that letter fromthe guy you gave it to and uh,

(01:28:39):
whatever.
And I was like, well, that'swhat I was like, because as soon
as he's like, okay, here's theaddress of the guy.
Give him this letter that saysgive you the letter.
Like, what stopped him at thatpoint from doing anything?
Once SCO had the letter, whatstopped him from being like,
haha, jk, I'm gonna kill younow.
Like nothing.

Wheezy (01:28:58):
I had the same thought.
I don't know,

Spoons (01:28:59):
him

Wheezy (01:29:00):
I had the same thought.
I didn't like it at that point.
I was like, we're so close tothe end of this book.
Like

Spoons (01:29:05):
I think, yeah.
I don't know,

Wheezy (01:29:07):
it did, it was cool.

Spoons (01:29:08):
it worked out though.
I

Wheezy (01:29:10):
I don't know.

Spoons (01:29:11):
by for some reason, so.

Wheezy (01:29:14):
Yeah.
So Fsco got out of town andWalter was able to prove that
Laura was in fact alive afterall.
And everyone lives happily everafter.
They have multiple children.
They basically uncle Fairly diesand him and Laura's son is the
next, to inherit

Gino (01:29:36):
fairly.

Wheezy (01:29:37):
Yeah.
He's

Gino (01:29:38):
um, and this random other sleeper agent that was at the
theater ends up killing Foco.

Wheezy (01:29:45):
Yeah, that's right.

Gino (01:29:47):
so he's, he,

Wheezy (01:29:49):
I was like, what?
What is the coincidence?
How many sleeper agents arethere?
He is just hanging out there andhe was like, Foco.
He just overhears them and then

Gino (01:29:56):
I know he is like, oh, him.

Wheezy (01:29:58):
I'm like, and not that I don't want him to die.
That's great.

Spoons (01:30:01):
a little sad

Wheezy (01:30:02):
Wow.
That's a lot of sleep rage.
I was like, what is happening inthe 18 hundreds?

Spoons (01:30:06):
so cool though.

Wheezy (01:30:07):
Were you,

Spoons (01:30:07):
not that I thought he was a good person, but I was
like, now,

Wheezy (01:30:10):
hi Kitty Kat.

Spoons (01:30:12):
oh, hi baby.

Wheezy (01:30:13):
Can't go.
What?
Steal can't go stick other womenin asylums and steal their
money.

Spoons (01:30:18):
you know?
Like he, before he was justdoing all sorts of,

Wheezy (01:30:22):
That is true, man.
He really was.
Or farming.
No one's ever ora farmed.
Like he, like he did,

Spoons (01:30:28):
cage for the mice.
I simply can't part with themice.
And I was like, this guy.

Gino (01:30:33):
Oh, I thought,

Wheezy (01:30:34):
bequeaths all his other animals.

Gino (01:30:36):
I thought that was something too, when he was like,
I'm bequeathing and like readingit, I was like, this is some
secret like code that, like hegets rid of the cockatoos but
not the mice and it meanswhatever.
Like, I did not trust that lastscene at all.

Spoons (01:30:51):
Interesting.
I wasn't thinking on that level.

Wheezy (01:30:54):
I, I don't think,

Spoons (01:30:55):
like, this guy's

Wheezy (01:30:56):
I'm not giving Willie Collins that much credit.

Spoons (01:30:59):
I,

Wheezy (01:31:00):
Yeah,

Spoons (01:31:00):
so fun.
He had like the aura of like a,I don't know, like a super
villain or something.
Just like really weird guy.
I

Gino (01:31:08):
Oh, for sure.

Wheezy (01:31:09):
did.

Gino (01:31:10):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:31:11):
knew it and he loved it.

Gino (01:31:12):
Yes.

Wheezy (01:31:13):
loved being a super villain.

Spoons (01:31:15):
it was great.

Wheezy (01:31:16):
okay.
It was kind of hot.
Let's be real.
Oh my gosh.
Okay.
So, uh, favorite and leastfavorite parts of the book.

Spoons (01:31:25):
my f

Wheezy (01:31:25):
I

Spoons (01:31:26):
Go ahead.

Gino (01:31:26):
Oh my gosh.
I to, I texted,

Spoons (01:31:28):
No, go ahead.

Gino (01:31:29):
oh, sorry.
I texted y'all while I wasrunning.
I was doing this like long hardrun.
As I said, I'm not bragging, I'mnot a good but, um, the freaking
uncle.
The uncle came on to do hispart, and I was like, oh my God,
you're the most annoying thingthat's ever existed.
He's like, oh, I was told that Ihave to write this thing under

(01:31:50):
duress because, you know, I'm,I'm such a fragile character,
and oh, the sun was too bright,so oh, oh, dear me.
Oh, I was like, I have to turnthis off, or I'm gonna run into
traffic.
Like,

Spoons (01:32:04):
Like

Wheezy (01:32:05):
this is now a hazard.

Gino (01:32:06):
yeah, that was my least favorite part.
That was my least favorite part

Wheezy (01:32:11):
I don't know.
I, my least favorite part wasevery time Baron would just ran
randomly be like, say somethingreally smart and then be like,
if only I weren't a woman.
And I'm like, what?

Gino (01:32:21):
all the time.

Wheezy (01:32:21):
This

Gino (01:32:21):
Constantly

Spoons (01:32:23):
mm-hmm.

Wheezy (01:32:23):
understand.
Like how could you be soconfident and so competent?
One second.
And the next you're like, God,if only I didn't have boobs.
And you're like, what the hell?
Like.
Girl.

Spoons (01:32:33):
was super annoying.

Wheezy (01:32:34):
So weird.

Spoons (01:32:36):
I don't know what my least favorite

Wheezy (01:32:37):
I don't know.

Gino (01:32:38):
spoons.

Wheezy (01:32:38):
part I did like when Percy died,

Spoons (01:32:40):
was exciting.
I think my favorite part wasjust the three of

Wheezy (01:32:43):
it was really exciting.

Spoons (01:32:45):
the end, and I thought that was so cute.
I was

Wheezy (01:32:48):
That was really cute.
I loved all the detective stuff.
Every time they got like a newclue, I was like, Ooh, it's a
mystery.

Gino (01:32:55):
It's a mystery.

Wheezy (01:32:56):
It's a mystery.
Ooh, la la.

Spoons (01:32:59):
That was pretty nuts.

Gino (01:33:00):
Yeah,

Spoons (01:33:01):
yeah, I don't know.

Gino (01:33:03):
I'm gonna read these quotes now,

Wheezy (01:33:05):
Hell yeah.

Gino (01:33:06):
Randomly, but there are quotes about women that I found
really something, but they'renot bad.
Actually.
That's why I was like, I waslike, I thought I had juxta,
juxta juxtaposing quotes, butthey're not.
So anyways, then with thatcourage that women lose so often
in a small emergency and seldomin a great, I was like,

Wheezy (01:33:29):
did.

Gino (01:33:29):
so true.
I was like,

Wheezy (01:33:32):
that is true.
I

Gino (01:33:33):
yeah,

Wheezy (01:33:34):
of the weird shit you've said, I was like, I can kind of
see that one.

Gino (01:33:37):
because like, yeah, like, I,

Wheezy (01:33:40):
like, you're talking too loud and too much and I'm gonna
absolutely lose my effing shit.
And

Gino (01:33:45):
I,

Wheezy (01:33:45):
You know, someone's like bleeding out and

Gino (01:33:47):
exactly, exactly.
No, literally if you get a papercut and you show it to me, I'm
like, oh, I can't do blood.
I'm gonna pass out.
But like, if your organs werecoming out of your body and you
needed my help, I'd be like,don't worry, we're fine.
Like, it's, yeah.

Wheezy (01:34:04):
I to, I did relate to that one too.
That was a good one.

Gino (01:34:07):
and then no sensible man ever engages, unprepared in a
fencing match of words with thewoman.
What

Wheezy (01:34:14):
like that make me go, well, maybe Wilkis not sexist.
I don't know.

Gino (01:34:18):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:34:19):
a good one.
That's a good one.

Spoons (01:34:21):
deal

Gino (01:34:21):
yeah, I just heard them and I was like, these are, I was
like, these are pretty fantasticand true.
But then again, like heliterally introduces Marian, her
coming into the room being like,oh, I'm so sorry.
I'm a woman.
We're horrible.
And we fight with each other.
We're so catty, and I wish Iwasn't.
Oh my gosh.
Boobs like,

Wheezy (01:34:36):
know.
And then she's like, my body'sbeautiful, but my face, it is
ugly.
And then she says somethinglike, I have the face of a gypsy
or something.
And I'm like, Wilke, God, stopit.
Stop it.
Wilkie,

Spoons (01:34:48):
like we can't

Wheezy (01:34:50):
bat Wilke.

Spoons (01:34:51):
Oh my God.
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:34:53):
He's like, I already did.
And I stand by it and I'm gonnakeep doing it a lot.

Spoons (01:34:57):
it.
Actually, she's like, uh, but atthe end he was crying and she's

Wheezy (01:35:01):
I actually love it.
So.

Spoons (01:35:02):
you know, rightfully so, like, so many things had
happened.
I'm like, I'd be sobbing thiswhole time.
But she's like, oh, don't, don'tworry about me, Walter.
It's just my woman's weakness.
It's not my weakness.
It's because I'm a woman.
I was like, oh my God.
Like Walter's probably cried 12times

Wheezy (01:35:20):
God.

Spoons (01:35:20):
Okay.
Like, it's not just you.

Wheezy (01:35:23):
Yeah.
For real,

Gino (01:35:24):
yeah, he's a crier.

Wheezy (01:35:26):
Oh, I, I was gonna say, so he's definitely a crier.
Oh, what?
That and that there's nothingwrong with it, but he totally is
a crier.
Oh yeah.

Gino (01:35:34):
Favorite, least favorite characters.

Wheezy (01:35:36):
Marian favorite, least favorite question mark.
I think Percy.

Spoons (01:35:41):
I.

Wheezy (01:35:41):
He sucked.
But also that one maid who waslike, isn't it so funny that
this dog got shot?
I'm like,

Gino (01:35:47):
Oh my gosh.

Spoons (01:35:48):
They,

Wheezy (01:35:48):
I was like, girl, no,

Spoons (01:35:51):
was just like so dumb.

Wheezy (01:35:53):
no.
It's not funny.

Spoons (01:35:55):
Honorable mention for

Wheezy (01:35:56):
She wasn't great.

Spoons (01:35:58):
who wouldn't stop talking.
I thought he was so funny.
He was just like going on and onand on and Walter's like begging
his head against the wall.
Please show me the marriagerecords.
Please show me the marriagerecords.

Gino (01:36:11):
At one point he is like, I had decided at that point not to
let him say another word untilI'd read the book.
Fuck.

Spoons (01:36:17):
it was so good.
But yeah, Marian's

Wheezy (01:36:19):
that's so good.

Spoons (01:36:20):
just in terms of like

Wheezy (01:36:22):
You have

Spoons (01:36:22):
I loved Count Foco, but it was a great character.

Gino (01:36:27):
I agree.
Yeah,

Wheezy (01:36:28):
iconic and most memorable character, Foco,

Gino (01:36:31):
for sure.

Wheezy (01:36:33):
I'll remember him for the rest of my life.
Love it or hate it.
I will always remember him andhe

Gino (01:36:38):
my dreams.

Wheezy (01:36:39):
I hate.

Gino (01:36:40):
I know.

Wheezy (01:36:41):
so pleased about that.

Spoons (01:36:42):
a team

Wheezy (01:36:43):
God,

Spoons (01:36:44):
You are always thinking about me all the time.

Wheezy (01:36:46):
honestly, he and Pesca, Pesca is like the

Gino (01:36:51):
I like

Wheezy (01:36:52):
Italian man, and Fsco is the bad Italian man.

Spoons (01:36:56):
he's like,

Wheezy (01:36:56):
These are the, these,

Gino (01:36:57):
he de he definitely knew some Italians.

Wheezy (01:37:00):
Yeah.
He definitely did.
Well, he literally, he, he grewup traveling to Italy for
periods of time and thencontinued as an adult, so yeah,
he knew Italians.
It was like, here's the funItalians.
Here's the evil

Spoons (01:37:10):
show a

Wheezy (01:37:11):
Italians.

Spoons (01:37:12):
collection of Italians.
You know, to me, they're not allone thing, you know?
It's like, okay, well ki we getit.

Gino (01:37:18):
Listen, and just

Wheezy (01:37:19):
of them aren't evil.

Gino (01:37:21):
I was gonna say, just to preface this, in case people
don't know Hui and I both haveauthority to speak on this.
We're not just being racistagainst Italians as both of us
have lived there for Harriets oftimes and have relations and
stuff.

Wheezy (01:37:35):
American.
Italian.
Like Italian Italian.
Like,

Gino (01:37:37):
yeah, and I, I lived there for like three years.
So

Wheezy (01:37:40):
yeah,

Gino (01:37:41):
just, this isn't just baseless

Spoons (01:37:43):
offended

Wheezy (01:37:44):
this isn't, not that we don't love to baseless offend
people.
I do love to baseless offendEuropeans, but I mean, honestly,
anyone from anywhere, butespecially the Europeans.
But yeah, the Italians.
I have also some like personalanimosity towards, I'm just
kidding.
I love you guys except for theones that I don't,

Gino (01:38:00):
agreed.

Spoons (01:38:00):
you.
Sco.

Wheezy (01:38:02):
I love, I do love Pesca and I do hate posco, but yeah,
memorable.

Gino (01:38:07):
But I hate, um, the Uncle Moore still, so he just like, I
could not, his neuroticism was,I could not,

Wheezy (01:38:17):
He's basically like, I'm too

Gino (01:38:19):
I could not,

Wheezy (01:38:19):
tell you if

Gino (01:38:20):
but yeah, like you said,

Wheezy (01:38:22):
any part in pronouncing Laura alive or not.

Gino (01:38:25):
you said honorable mention and I agree.
For the the maid, or I don'tknow if you said it for her, but
the maid that was like, haha, heshot the dog.
She was the one, she had a partin the book right towards the
end she was talking about, andthat was the other chapter that
I was listening to whilerunning.
And I was like, I might have toturn this off again.
'cause she was like, I don'tknow anything.

(01:38:45):
And he told me to do this and Iwas like gross.

Wheezy (01:38:48):
like, well, you're useless and

Gino (01:38:49):
Yeah,

Spoons (01:38:50):
suck.

Gino (01:38:51):
it was a very short chapter luckily.
But I was like, no, I don't likeyou.

Wheezy (01:38:55):
Do all have, uh, any quotes other than Gino's quotes?

Spoons (01:38:58):
to look for a quote, but I did love the last line of the
book is like, credit where

Wheezy (01:39:03):
I also did not.

Spoons (01:39:04):
a g, you know, I was really into that.
He said,

Wheezy (01:39:07):
I liked it too.
It was good.

Spoons (01:39:10):
angel of our lives.
Let Marian end our story.
And I was like, that is rightWalter.
That is right.
At least we all are acceptingit.

Wheezy (01:39:18):
Yeah.
I like it made up for a lot ofthe Marian self hatred.
I was like, this is good.
Thank God we did this.
She deserved this.
Yeah.

Gino (01:39:26):
did like at the end,

Spoons (01:39:27):
Sorry.

Gino (01:39:28):
I liked when, um, Laura was like, do you see who this
is?
And, and he was like, that's ourchild.
And she's like, how dare you beso baseless and say, this is our
child.
What do you mean?
This is Lord fairly,

Wheezy (01:39:41):
Yeah, it was so funny.
She's like, holds up his kid andshe's like, he's like, yeah,
that's my son.
I, I know who he is.
And she's like, you idiot.

Spoons (01:39:47):
Oh, the child.

Wheezy (01:39:49):
It's Lord fairly

Spoons (01:39:51):
He's

Wheezy (01:39:51):
the child.

Spoons (01:39:52):
gone?

Wheezy (01:39:53):
Literally something I would do with ri

Gino (01:39:55):
I guess.

Wheezy (01:39:55):
I would love to be like, ri at hobby.
Who is this?
You know who this is?
He'd be like, yeah, my son.
And I'd be like, no, this is aprecious little prince angel boy
who's never made a mistake andnever will.
How dare you.

Spoons (01:40:05):
And you should have said that.

Wheezy (01:40:07):
Well, there's the, there was only one right answer.
You failed.

Spoons (01:40:10):
So good.

Wheezy (01:40:11):
I did really relate to Marion on that one.
What about, um, pinkies up?
I wanna pinkies up.

Spoons (01:40:15):
I'm going to give it.
Oh my God.
There's a little bug on here.
Okay.
he's crawling around.
crawling on the woman in white.
I feel bad.
I guess he can be.
He's fine.
I'm going to give it four.
I pinky's up because I reallyliked it.
I thought it was really fun andI was intrigued the whole time.

(01:40:37):
But I wouldn't say it was likemy favorite book ever, but like
I did very much enjoy it.
And I do wanna watch the, like,there's like a couple movies in
a mini series, so I kind ofwanna pick one and watch like
I'm invested, you know?

Wheezy (01:40:48):
It would be good as a movie or mini series.
Yeah, it's a really great drama.
I just want it shorter.
I like the story, but

Spoons (01:40:56):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:40:56):
about Gino.

Gino (01:40:57):
Um, so it's funny, I was kind of talking to my mom about
it and I kept being like, itjust goes on and on.
And there was this book I readin middle school or something.
She used to read all the samebooks I read.
It was called The Ear, the Eye,and the Arm.
I don't know if y'all have everread it, but it was this book

(01:41:17):
that.
You thought it ended and thenNo, but it kept going.
And then you thought it ended,but no, and it kept going.
And that's how,

Wheezy (01:41:25):
mad.

Gino (01:41:25):
see that's how I felt about this book.
Not necessarily in a bad way,but it was like after Laura
dies, it's like, oh, Laura dies.
The book ends tragically, butno, there's more.
And it's like, okay.
And then Percival dies andyou're like, oh, okay.
So everything's resolved.
But no, there's more.
And then like, okay, they, theyresolved the stuff with Count

(01:41:46):
Foco, like he's leaving, but shehas her title and everything.
Okay.
But no, there's more.
That's how I felt about thisbook.
But at the same time, it didkeep my interest the whole time.
And like you said, like rightfrom the start, even though it
was a 26 hour book, I, I neverfelt, aside from the time I was
really annoyed with the uncle Inever felt like I was bored the

(01:42:10):
entire time.
So I'm gonna get at the exactsame score of spoons and say a
four Pinkies up.

Wheezy (01:42:17):
Wow.
I'm gonna give it 3.65 Pinky'sup, I'll be real.
I'm ne I'm never gonna read itagain.
I loved the whole detectivething

Gino (01:42:27):
Oh, I'm not gonna read it again.

Wheezy (01:42:28):
Almost knocked over my microphone.
Everything's fine.
I loved the detective thing.
I love like an ear earlydetective story.
I love a mystery.
There were so many elements thatI liked, but altogether entirely
too long.

Spoons (01:42:40):
mm-hmm.

Wheezy (01:42:41):
I'm trying to think of anything.
And the whole, like Marianhating herself for being a woman
was a real downer.
And it was also just feltinconsistent.
I was like, either hate women ordon't wilkie.
Like I just, just pick a side.
This is throwing me off.
I'm, I keep getting distractedfrom the story'cause I have to
sit back here and have opinions.
Like just,

Gino (01:43:00):
Which is very un

Wheezy (01:43:01):
I'm not supposed

Gino (01:43:02):
womanly of you.
Exactly, exactly.

Spoons (01:43:04):
think it is tough

Gino (01:43:05):
you're making me think thoughts.

Spoons (01:43:07):
I'm pretty sure this was released like weekly, like it
was a serial.
So that's probably why it reads

Wheezy (01:43:13):
That would make sense.

Gino (01:43:14):
Oh, okay.

Wheezy (01:43:15):
in a serial form, yeah.
Watch, I would've been rabidabout it if it was in

Gino (01:43:20):
Yes, yes, yes.

Wheezy (01:43:22):
yeah, as a novel,

Spoons (01:43:24):
were like,

Gino (01:43:24):
No, I felt like it could have ended five times.

Spoons (01:43:27):
It's probably just,

Gino (01:43:28):
I.

Wheezy (01:43:28):
I would love to see an adaptation of this.
Or I would love to, um, I wouldlove to like a retelling like
that's like a somewhat, likemore modern one.
There's so many elements.
I love, someone has an escapedin asylum after being put there
wrongfully.
There's like, there's politicalintrigue, sort of, there's like
so much relational intrigue.
Like there's crazy things going.
Like it's a, there's so manygreat elements.

(01:43:49):
I just want them in like a thirdof the length.
He really did.
So I liked it, but

Spoons (01:43:56):
miniseries.

Wheezy (01:43:57):
yes, yes.
If it's good, I'll watch it.

Spoons (01:44:01):
Okay, great.
Well, thanks for reading it, youguys.
I finally can check it off mylist.
So that was exciting.

Gino (01:44:09):
No, I'm actually happy, even though it was 26 hours
long, I was like, oh of theclassics that could have
classic, um, like I said, Ienjoyed it the whole way
through.
The characters were great.
So

Spoons (01:44:23):
fun.

Gino (01:44:24):
yeah,

Wheezy (01:44:24):
were only a few times that I didn't want to be reading
it.
There were only a few times Iwas like,

Spoons (01:44:28):
So, an

Wheezy (01:44:29):
it's still going,

Spoons (01:44:30):
Dickens.

Gino (01:44:31):
wonder if I had,

Wheezy (01:44:32):
for me.

Gino (01:44:32):
I, I do wonder if I'd read it, if I'd felt differently than
listening to the audio book.
'cause the audio book was reallywell done.

Spoons (01:44:40):
and I only read some of it from the book, but I felt the
same.
Reading it like physically, Iwas like, Ooh, this is a page
turner.
So

Gino (01:44:47):
Okay.

Spoons (01:44:48):
it was just his prose was really good.

Wheezy (01:44:50):
I might have liked reading it more.

Spoons (01:44:52):
reader.
He was

Wheezy (01:44:53):
Yeah.
I listened to the audiobook.

Spoons (01:44:55):
yeah.

Wheezy (01:44:56):
Mm-hmm.
audiobook reader was good too,but I might've liked it more if
I was just like reading off thepage.
But I still would've said Iwanted to be a third this
length.

Gino (01:45:03):
Oh, I did like super quick since we're forever, but, I get,
I got it from the library, likethe online Libby or whatever.
And then it expired'cause it's26 hours long, uh, before I
finished it and I was like, oh,it's fine.
I'll just renew it.
Like this book was written in1860, whatever, no one else is
gonna be in line for it.
And there were four people.
It was like, you can't renew it.

(01:45:24):
Four people are waiting for thisbook.
And I was like, what the heck?

Spoons (01:45:27):
Like who are you people?

Wheezy (01:45:28):
Crazy.

Gino (01:45:29):
Who are these people?

Spoons (01:45:30):
Do you guys wanna hang out?

Wheezy (01:45:31):
That's anytime I try to rent anything on

Gino (01:45:34):
Yeah, I know.

Wheezy (01:45:34):
like,

Gino (01:45:35):
I was like, wait, do I have a podcast for you?

Wheezy (01:45:38):
I get their contact information please?
I think

Gino (01:45:40):
but

Wheezy (01:45:40):
have something to talk about really

Gino (01:45:41):
then later on I was like, mom, was that you?

Spoons (01:45:44):
Aw.

Wheezy (01:45:44):
Hey, mom.
Cute.

Spoons (01:45:46):
fun.

Gino (01:45:47):
but yeah.

Wheezy (01:45:48):
Solid.
Well, anything else you guyswanna say about this book?

Gino (01:45:51):
Not, yeah.
Do we have a quick lessonslearned or no?

Spoons (01:45:54):
lessons learned.

Wheezy (01:45:55):
Oh, yeah.
Lessons learned.
Mm.
Stop putting women in asylumsbecause they're inconvenient.

Spoons (01:46:01):
You

Wheezy (01:46:02):
I,

Spoons (01:46:02):
I think that that's gotta be number one.

Gino (01:46:05):
Ah, ah,

Wheezy (01:46:06):
and she was like, I don't

Gino (01:46:07):
but,

Wheezy (01:46:08):
Maybe sometimes

Gino (01:46:09):
but counterpoint.

Wheezy (01:46:11):
the circumstances.

Gino (01:46:12):
Counterpoint.
What I learned from this book isthat you can't do anything if
you're a woman.
So.

Wheezy (01:46:18):
Yeah, I mean, valid.
Marian would definitely agreewith you.
be like, the boobs get in theway.
All the circulation goes to theboobs, not the brain.
It's just, I can't help

Gino (01:46:27):
Oh my goodness.

Wheezy (01:46:28):
wish I was a man.
I'd be smarter.

Spoons (01:46:30):
Never.

Gino (01:46:31):
She literally says at least three or four times in the
book, like, if I were a man, Iwould've smacked him, but I
wasn't, so I couldn't.

Spoons (01:46:39):
love to see you

Wheezy (01:46:39):
I was like, well, you should

Gino (01:46:40):
I know

Wheezy (01:46:41):
just, we all wanna

Spoons (01:46:43):
She and Walter are

Wheezy (01:46:44):
The same with Walter.

Spoons (01:46:45):
They're

Gino (01:46:45):
boy,

Wheezy (01:46:46):
You know what?

Spoons (01:46:46):
him.
Like,

Wheezy (01:46:47):
They really are.

Spoons (01:46:49):
so cute.

Gino (01:46:51):
but no, they're like, um, like Timon and PBA where he is
like, let me, Adam, let me Adamhim.
No, hold this.
Okay, let me

Spoons (01:46:57):
like,

Wheezy (01:46:58):
yeah, yeah, yeah.
exactly right.
God.

Spoons (01:47:01):
go out in the

Wheezy (01:47:01):
I learned that apparently, uh, being a drawing
teacher is a job.

Spoons (01:47:05):
You can

Gino (01:47:06):
yeah, don't go out in the rain.
Or you might catch tuberculosis.

Spoons (01:47:10):
you

Gino (01:47:11):
Is it tuberculosis?
It's something like that.

Spoons (01:47:13):
Something,

Wheezy (01:47:14):
Yeah.

Spoons (01:47:15):
yeah.
And, uh, think twice beforeconspiring

Gino (01:47:17):
think that's our lessons.

Spoons (01:47:19):
who want to sneak into the rectory and

Wheezy (01:47:23):
From Italy.

Gino (01:47:24):
I was gonna say Italians

Spoons (01:47:25):
Yeah.

Wheezy (01:47:26):
yeah.

Gino (01:47:27):
think twice between or just save their life.

Spoons (01:47:30):
give me

Gino (01:47:31):
Like, and don't connive save it their lives.

Spoons (01:47:34):
Just, just don't do it.
Think twice.
Good lessons.

Gino (01:47:37):
quick reminder as we say goodbye is that, um, stay tuned
for our read-a-thon.
Check our socials and ourwebsite and if you want to go to
the retreat, we still have acouple spots left.
It's in Pennsylvania.

Wheezy (01:47:52):
Pennsylvania October 16th through 19th.
Y'all can go to story sirenstudio.com/retreats and you can
check it out.
You can look at testimonials andpictures from our last retreat.
That was totally awesome.
You can learn more there, applythere.
Or you can message us on socialmedia at that pretentious book
club.
We talk to y'all constantly likewe do.
Try to message back always.
So reach out.
You can also email us atcontact@storysirenstudio.com.
If you want information for howyou can support my bookshop, you

(01:48:14):
are welcome to contact us aswell.
Or go check out the website, thestory emporium and bookshop.com.
Thank you guys so much forlistening through this very long
episode about a very long book.

Spoons (01:48:26):
Thank you guys.
We love you teacups.

Gino (01:48:28):
Goodbye.

Wheezy (01:48:29):
No.
And then until next week, yeah,

Gino (01:48:30):
no.

Wheezy (01:48:31):
teacups, keep your teacups full

Spoons (01:48:33):
high.

Gino (01:48:34):
Oh, your and your book club Pretentious.

Wheezy (01:48:38):
Excellent, excellent.

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